I Hate Jill Zarin Mob Wives / RHOOC Finale Preview

I Hate Jill Zarin  The Real Housewives of Orange County Finale Preview

Yes I do hate Jill Zarin but I’m not too fond of Vicki Gunvalson these days either, she really ripped her husband  apart on her television show over the past 6 years.  Vicki has said things to her husband like, “you’re Vicki’s husband, I’m sure you have a name but whatever!” and the love tank nonsense was ridiculous last season, this year she talks about having flat tires with no spare.  Her car metaphors are getting a bit old and making no sense.

According to E! Online Vicki regrets all of the things she said about Donn on the show:  

“I hurt Donn a lot by exposing all of the things that I did,” Vicki tells E!Online. “Which I never meant to do. The unfortunate part is I started talking to Tamra [Barney] in confidence, and you tend to forget that there’s a microphone on and she’s like, ‘What’s wrong with you, what’s wrong with you, what’s wrong with you? You’re not yourself.’ And I just started unloading. And the cameras caught it”

Vicki’s at a Crossroads: http://bravo.ly/j0wE0C via @bravo

I’m sorry, I don’t buy any of this.  First of all Vicki has been on Bravo’s Real Housewives for 6 years now, don’t tell me she doesn’t know when those camera’s are rolling and the microphones are live.  Vicki tries to imply that she forgot this was all being filmed for the show, and she thinks people are going to believe that?

Second, she seems to be trying to blame Tamra here for asking her “what’s wrong?”.  Well of course Tamra is going to try to get you to dish about your marriage, she did enough of it last season and wants to get her own back.  Tamra may not come out and say it but I think she blames Vicki a bit for the failure of her marriage.  Vicki certainly stuck her nose into Tamra’s marriage and now Tamra is turning the tables and trying to do the same.  Vicki should have been smarter than to take the bait.  It’s funny though that while Vicki says Tamra kept asking her “what’s wrong?” we never see Tamra ask that at all.

Finally, if you’re going to put your life on television and you find yourself going through a divorce, it can be done without the cameras rolling, Luann did it, we did not see Luann and her ex-husband arguing, fighting or even the break up email that Lulu received.  It doesn’t have to happen on-screen and Vicki didn’t have to talk about it to Tamra or anyone else on-screen. I would have had more respect for Vicki had she just owned it, she could have said, “I talked about it on-screen and now I regret doing that” but instead she tries to blame others and say she didn’t realize what she was doing.  What a cop-out!

Wait a minute, that's not Donn!

What Vicki doesn’t ever talk about is all of the reports and photos of her flirting, kissing and hanging all over other men while she’s away from her husband.  Vicki needs constant reassurance that she’s pretty and desirable, maybe Donn got tired of how needy this woman is.  Donn isn’t the mushy, romantic kind of guy but we did see the love that he felt for his wife during their vow renewal ceremony.  Donn was pleasantly surprised by what Vicki had planned and didn’t hesitate for one minute to show his love and devotion.  I think Vicki simply expects too much and would never be satisfied by Donn Gunvalson.

I hope this couple does what is best for them, it seems to me that Donn would be happier with another woman or even alone. This is who Vicki is, we watched her with her mother asking “Do you love me?”  Her mother doesn’t seem to be the overly warm and cozy type but it is obviously something that Vicki needs, possibly because she didn’t get it as a child. I think Vicki is going to find that the grass is always greener, I think she believes that if she were only a single woman, all these men she flirts with in bars and clubs would be trying to romance her.  She’s going to realize very quickly that they simply want a quickie and they’ll be done with the psudo-celebrity.  Vicki talks about the bible and how God doesn’t like divorce, what a hypocrite!

Vicki’s revealing that she and Donn hadn’t had sex in over two years was just wrong!  She had to be lying somewhere because she told viewers that she and Donn did have sex while in Turks and Caicos for their vow renewal and that was less than a year ago. In the video that Vicki refers to, Tamra Barney seems to be encouraging Vicki to get a divorce.  Instead of exploring some of the things that could save their marriage or encouraging Vicki to go to counseling or in any way supporting the marriage, Tamra says things like, “do you want to just exist?” she’s very negative about the marriage working.  I guess misery really does love company.  There is no doubt that Tamra encouraged divorce for Vicki and Donn.  Tamra is pure evil.

Yes I do hate Jill Zarin but I really, really hate Tamra Barney, she has been vicious and horrible all season, another example of that is the way that she attacks Alexis as often as she can.  During this extra scene from Bravo, Tamra asks Peggy about the Texas trip and they can’t seem to say enough bad things about Alexis and her husband Jim:

http://bravo.ly/m5UAfv

Tamra has dumped her husband, she sucked him dry financially and walked away with her Rolex watch and her three children by Simon Barney. Tamra doesn’t have the sense to handle her relationship with new boyfriend Eddie Judge with a little class and discretion instead of the in your face, sex in the tub and constant making out that Tamra has shown on-screen this season.   It just shows what absolute trash this woman is, I feel badly for her children.  Who acts like this on national television when they have little kids at home?

Look for more of Tamra’s trashy behavior in the season finale.  (As a side note, that ugly red lipstick makes her look even more like a trashy bitch!)

The Real Housewives of Orange County Season 6 – Tamra is About to Blow Up on Jeana – Video – Bravo TV Official Site http://t.co/7850UgX

Tamra has befriended the dull and boring Peggy and her husband this season which seems to be simply to stick it to Alexis and Jim.  Last season Tamra said she liked Alexis and now without explanation she is bashing her and calling her “Jesus Barbie” and laughing at her financial situation.  (Tamra has short-term memory loss, last season she was upset with Vicki for criticizing her home’s short sale situation)

Peggy sticks her nose in where it doesn’t belong in the finale when she tells Jeana that she should apologize to Tamra because Tamra is upset.  Peggy has obviously made this her last ditch final desperate attempt to be relevant this season.  Getting in between Tamra and Jeana certainly didn’t warm her in anyone’s heart.

Peggy was ready to latch on to anyone she could then begin to try to convince viewers that Alexis was jealous of her and trying to compete with her.  Alexis isn’t likable this season either, she is just a little bit less annoying than Tamra and Peggy. Peggy has FAILED miserably as an Orange County Housewife and will most likely never been seen again. I never thought I’d miss Lynne Curtain.  Peggy can join Quinn and the other forgettable Orange County Housewives over there in the corner. —>

Tamra has always had a problem with Gretchen, initially it seemed that Tamra was just jealous of Gretchen because she was younger and more beautiful than Tamra.  Tamra always wanted to be known as the hottest housewife and unfortunately Gretchen’s arrival on the show threw Tamra off the top spot in her mind. Tamra may look good for her age and having four children but the minute she opens her mouth the ugly comes out.

Gretchen warned us at the beginning of the season that she was not going to take the verbal abuse from the other housewives, I was fully expecting a lot of verbal battles between Gretchen and Tamra or Vicki but in the end it seems as though they simply refused to film together.  Gretchen seems to have befriended Alexis which is an unlikely duo but even more unlikely would be their men, Jim and Slade becoming friends.

Will Gretchen marry Slade Smiley?  She has a whole long list of reasons not to marry him and just one reason to marry him, she loves him.  Gretchen wants children and Slade has been surgically altered so that he can’t have children.  Gretchen works to support her household and Slade has no job with a ton of debt including a growing child support responsibility.  Rumor has it he will propose on the season finale at the annual season end party at Vicki’s house, will Gretchen ever agree to marry this man?

First Annual awards for the Real Housewives of Orange County:

Biggest and Most Horrible Evil Trashy Bitch :  Tamra Barney  (I could have added more adjectives too!)

Biggest Fake Cry Baby:   Vicki Gunvalson (Vicki is the one who initiated this split, she treated Donn like crap for years, now we’re supposed to feel sorry for her?)

Most Indecisive Housewife:  Gretchen Rossi  (Should she marry Slade or should she dump Slade?  Does anyone care anymore?)

Most Desperate, Pathetic Attempts be Popular:   Peggy Tanous  (Epic failure of a replacement housewife)

Biggest Hypocrite:  Alexis Bellino  (God will forgive Alexis for anything she does in contradiction to God’s law)

What awards would you give out to the Orange County Housewives?

There’s a rumor out there that Bravo is looking to replace all of the New York Housewives, that’s not a bad idea but they really should start in Orange County, replace them all I say!

I’m so tired of hearing about bankruptcy, short sales and foreclosures.  Let’s get some Orange County Housewives who really do belong in Orange County. The final episode iincludes the scene that we’ve seen coming and been waiting for all season, Tamra argues with Jeana Keough and throws a glass of wine in her face.  Jeana’s daughter Kara tweeted about it immediately after it happened letting viewers know it was coming and allowing Bravo to go ahead and include it in their promos.

A lot of people are on Tamra’s side here but I think anyone who torments the horrible Tamra is ok in my book.  Jeana is typically a calming force, she doesn’t loose her temper or go off on anyone, it seems as though she tries to do the right thing in most cases.  Tamra is a drama queen and seems to want to blame Jeana for items in the press.

We know that Simon talked to the press and quoted Jeana.  Whether or not Jeana spoke to the press isn’t something Tamra can control no matter how hard she tries.  Since Tamra has an entire show to get her side of the story out, Simon has the right to defend himself and if giving a press interview is how he chooses to go about it, more power to him.  Tamra talked constantly about Simon all season, Tamra also knows that the press tends to twist words and take things out of context.  Tamra really needs to let it go because in the end, no one really cares about Tamra or what she’s doing or saying.  She’s low on the totem pole of Housewives and her trashy behavior ensures that she’ll never be on the level of Bethenny, Lisa Vanderpump or really any of the the other housewives.

Jeana may be a lot of things but she does have class and she does have grace and dignity putting her far above Tamra Barney.  The “I’m up here and you’re down here” fits perfectly with Tamra and Jeana.  Jeana was right last season when she talked about “where Tamra comes from”, I think it was Jeana’s attempt to remind us what Tamra said herself, “I’m a truck driver with tits”.  Yes you are Tamra!

Perhaps Gretchen said it best in her blog:

Tamra has admitted that she does things before she thinks them through. Unfortunately it seems she does things that are best only for her at the time, and she does not always take into consideration how her actions can affect others in the long run, including her own children. Tamra certainly can run her mouth about everyone else and talk about what she thinks she knows about everyone else’s life, but then when someone does it to her, she all of a sudden expects others to have compassion for her. It’s like the boy that cried wolf.

I was flabbergasted when Tamra was so upset and expected Jeana to have some compassion towards her, since Tamra is the least compassionate person when it comes to how she affects others lives with her trash talking. Seems as if Tamra is finally getting a taste of her own medicine. She just always uses the lame excuse of, “I just speak the truth.” Whose truth? The world according to Tamra and the internet?

Well news flash, Tamra, Jeana was just speaking her truth too. She believed you were over dramatic and lied about Simon being abusive. The main difference between Jeana and Tamra to me is that when asked, Jeana gave an opinion regarding her personal interactions with Simon and Tamra based off the numerous times she spent with them and seeing them interact as a couple. Tamra on the other hand goes out of her way to sling accusations and spread gossip and rumors in a malicious and evil way, and she does so without having any real knowledge of the situation. Makes me wonder if Tamra will ever realize that she has done the exact same thing she was crying to Jeana about.

Gretchen, like Alex of New York explains the way she sees things and feels about things in detail and they make good sense.  Everything Gretchen says about Tamra here is the truth, Tamra trash talks about all of the other Housewives yet when they say anything about her she gets a cease and desist letter from her attorney and throws a drink in their face.  Jeana is friends with Simon, that’s the bottom line.  Alexis and Jim remained friends with Simon and it really got to Tamra, I guess she thinks everyone should be on her side.  I think she dumped him because the money ran out.

We haven’t heard a lot about the reunion taping other than it ran 10-hours and that every one of the women cried.  Nothing shocking there.  I don’t know what they really have to argue about, Peggy and Alexis will probably get into it over all the competition and jealous comments that Peggy made.  It was pretty obvious that Peggy was simply trying to create drama where none existed to make herself relevant.  Hopefully Alexis will call Peggy out.

Vicki and Tamra are buddies again so there should be no arguing there.  Gretchen kept to herself this season, at least on screen.  As you can see above Gretchen had no trouble blogging about the other housewives and giving her opinion on what is going on outside of her world.  I’m sure they’ll go after Gretchen for her blogging.

I just can’t imagine what these women battled over for 10-hours, discussing a season that was really dull, a few trips thrown in but the trips excluded any drama for the most part.  Vicki and Tamra went to Cabo, Gretchen invited all the ladies except Vicki and Tamra to San Antonio, Peggy and Tamra went to Vegas with their husbands.

Tamra, I'm going to the hospital now!

I’m sure a large segment of the reunion will focus on Alexis’ fashion show and the comments that Gretchen made about Vicki being hospitalized that day.  It seemed unlike Gretchen to make those comments on screen but learning some of the background of Vicki’s symptoms that didn’t make it on screen helped a bit.  Apparently Vicki had these symptoms for a few months and really should have gone in to have it checked out long before the day of Alexis’ fashion show.  I’m not sure how Gretchen knew that but the fact does remain that Vicki’s timing was a bit suspect.

Vicki texting to Tamra complete with photos of her IV also led many to believe that Vicki was creating drama.  It was as if she felt the need to prove that she truly was ill by providing a photo of her IV.  Who does that?

I’m actually looking forward to the finale of RHOOC, hopefully anyone who was Tamra’s fan will see what a horrible trashy..(insert your own adjective here) bitch she is.  We’ll most likely get a two-part reunion show as always.

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Mob Wives by Quincy IL

There was a replay of last week’s Sunday dinner party/knock down drag out brawl between Carla Facciolo and Renee Graziano.  Just as Renee and Carla began to come to their senses Karen  Gravano brought up the issue of Lee with Drita Davanzo so a second verbal battle began.  This barrage resulted in a rehash of their past discussions, tears from Karen and a hug from Drita. Drita apologized for dating Karen’s ex-boyfriend marrying him and having two children, but in the interview she made sure we knew that Drita did not do anything wrong and its ancient history. (I agree with Drita.) Drita wonders if Karen’s new man doesn’t pound her hard enough so Karen is thinking about Lee, Drita’s man. Drita says that she would date and marry Lee again.

Carla and Renee share more about their fight in interviews. Carla wants Renee to mind her own business and Renee wants Carla to admit that her boyfriend is bad news, grabs women’s private parts and threatened Renee on a speaker phone where AJ, her son could hear. Carla thinks everyone is lying about her boyfriend. 

Drita thinks this is insanity and everyone has gone bonkers.

 Karen said in an interview that everyone’s blood was boiling. She described the fight as madness and bullshit. There is another break out of obscenities and threats. Carla calls Renee, a bitch.  Carla said to Renee, “You are disgusting.” In an interview Carla said she doesn’t want Renee involved in her personal life and if Carla does have a problem then Carla would be a fool.

Eventually, there is a group hug, but dinner was never served. Karen expresses the wish that they become mature, civilized adult women. (Not a chance in hell.) 

The next day, Drita shows up at Carla’s house for a discussion of the Sunday night dinner.  Drita wished the fight would have stopped long enough for her to have eaten a noodle.  Both women feel exhausted.  Drita doesn’t like to see anyone upset, but if it ever happens again she is going to use an Uzi on them and she shows how she will use the gun to shoot them by giving the sound of an Uzi.

Renee and Karen meet for lunch a few days later.  If Carla’s boyfriend bothers Renee again, she is going to tell Junior, her ex-husband and let him take care of Carla’s boyfriend. Junior is going to jail soon so he is staying with Renee and AJ.  (He was on parole and was arrested for gambling.) Renee is lonely and not dating, but her relationship with Junior is platonic. Karen said that Renee needs to date and suggests online dating. 

Carla is out on the time with Etty and Joe her friends from her time on Wall Street.  Carla’s ex-husband Joe has been in prison for 6 years. Carla worked with him on Wall Street as his sale’s assistant and when Joe was fired for fraud, she was fired too.  They were making good money. They had a nice house, dogs and twins. Then, he went to jail, she took everything in the divorce and now she has a new boyfriend who likes to grope her friends. Carla has trouble with Joe Joe, the male twin and she blames Joe who is in prison for the behavior of her son.

Drita goes to Renee’s house to help Renee create an online profile for dating. Renee calls the questions that the website asks the woman, an interrogation. Renee wants a normal man who won’t go to prison.  Renee’s hobbies are writing to men in prison, visiting family in prison and baking cakes with files in them.  Within 5 minutes, a European man who wears loafers and a sweat suit contacts Renee for a date by email.  Renee feels he is too eager and that dating online is stressful.  She calls the guy a name.

Karen’s daughter Karina has arrived from Phoenix. She said her daughter missed her and she changed. Her string bean has grown up and developed breasts.

Drita shows her 3 year old daughter the sexy pictures that she is sending to Lee in prison.  Her daughter says that she likes her mom’s naked, pictures, but Drita says she is wearing a bathing suit.   Having a husband in prison is like a long distance relationship and Drita has to keep the spark alive. She wants Lee to know that she is sacrificing for him, but she doesn’t want to live with guilt by going out with another guy.

Carla’s husband, Joe, will be sent to a half-way house in two weeks upon his release after 6 years in prison.  Carla will help Joe by packing a duffle bag with his clothes and buying him new underwear.  Joe said, “I’ve got nothing.”  He has to get a job and then he can move in with friends.

Carla has a supper for Karen, Drita and all of their children.  Carla prefers to eat out without children.  Joe, one of Carla’s twins starts to fight with the girls.  Drita takes him by the arm and sends him to his room.  Carla makes no effort to discipline her son. The women toast to Joe being the free babysitter when he gets home.

Renee meets with her friend Nikole at Renee’s house for sushi and salad.  Renee tells Nikole that she is not happy dating psychos. Renee jokes that she will move in with AJ and his wife to be the mother in law.  Renee fears that she is never going to meet anyone. She deletes her online dating account.

Renee goes to visit Kelly, her therapist.  Renee discusses online dating, past relationships, disrespect and wanting a normal life. The therapists tells Renee that she is not ready for online dating after Renee suggests that she has issues she still has to deal with.

Lee calls Drita and he likes the sexy photos.  He wants to know who took the photos and she says a photographer in Brooklyn.  Joe said the photographer must have had a good time. Drita wants to enjoy the phone conversations because she can’t go to dinner or a movie with Lee. Lee says he made mistakes, but Drita points out that their children are two things that they did right. Drita asks, “Can I trust him?”  She answers her own question, “Probably not.” Then Drita states that she wants her family together.

Quincy and I are not the only ones working on Memorial Day, our friend to the North (Canada) Real City Housewife just posted a doozy!  http://www.realitycrackhouse.com/2011/05/interview-with-an-insider-the-gorgas-and-the-giudices/

Until Next Time…

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461 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Mob Wives / RHOOC Finale Preview

  1. okeydoekey says:

    Housewives who need to leave the show: entire oc cast

    Is it just me but I can’t tell Jeana lost weight.

    • HD says:

      I thought the same thing but I kept looking and kept looking and I can tell. I think she has a strange box body type. She may need to do some different type of work outs to streamline her body.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        She has a very blocky upper body. Not a lot she can do. I can tell she’s lost weight. She looks smaller and less bloated. I cannot imagine her being in Playboy though even at her youngest and thinnest.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          she was a very pretty full figured woman when she did playboy

          • snarkarella says:

            Ok, just looked it up. She was in Playboy in 198o. She weighed 105 lbs at 5’7″ so she was pretty slender. Jeanna’s still an attractive woman, but it was annoying how complacent she was on Jackie Warner’s show.

      • spikeyweed says:

        On Jackie Warner’s weight loss show Jeanna was shown to have absolutely no discipline or will power. – Zero. It was pathetic and she was annoying in a way I’d never noticed on RHOC. I think she completely blew a fantastic opportunity that many would have jumped through hoops for…both literally and figuratively!

    • PF says:

      I’m with you on that. OC is done. And I can only tell about Jeana when I see her in an older episode.

  2. Nancy says:

    Hi Lynn. Are you enjoying the hockey?
    Hope you are enjoying the holiday weekend.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      HI Nancy!

      No, I can’t watch anymore hockey, my Blackhawks are finished! lol As long as Vancouver doesn’t win, I’m happy!
      We’ve had horrible weather this weekend, finally today some sunshine and warmth. We’ve had horrible thunderstorms Sat and Sun.
      I hope you’re enjoying the holiday! xo

  3. Sparkles says:

    I love your blogs, Lynn, but I see things differently. :-)

    I thought that Gretchen was nasty about Vicki’s illness. Vicki may have had symptoms for two months, but lots of people put off going to the doctor — especially workaholics. The day of the fashion show was when she had internally bleeding – that’s why she went to the hospital. I think Tamra told Vicki that Gretchen/Alexis were saying that Vicki was faking her illness, which is why Vicki texted the IV photo. I know from personal experience that there is a lot of down time when you go to the ER — between tests, getting a room, etc. – and your cellphone can be a nice distraction from the stress.

    I think Jeana regrets leaving the show and is trying to reinsert herself. She doesn’t know the full story about Tamra’s marriage and should mind her own business. But she always needs to defend men. I don’t think there is a “right” person and a “wrong” person in most break-ups…it is usually a gray area. Tamra has plenty of faults, but Simon appears very controlling.

    • okeydoekey says:

      Sparkles well said.

    • jeepers1941 says:

      Sparkles,
      I think Simon was trying to control Tamra, as he was very upset last season at the fairwell dinner. Had there been no one around them, I am sure it would have become very apparent that Simon has the rage in him to strike Tamra. He didn’t hide it very well I don’t think. I do feel he was on the verge of hitting her, had they not been in public. But with that said, and I not sticking up for him, I can understand it. You can only push someone so far, before all hell breaks and she was definitely pushing his buttons. She was as is still a foul mouth sluty bitch as far I am concerned. She can’t take it when someone gives it back.
      I just wonder how the children’s custody battle will play out in court. I am sure Simon will try and convince the court she is an unfit mother, and I think she has given reason to question her actions. JMHO But as far as Jenna goes, I think she means well, but she still has issues she needs to work on herself. I wouldn’t, if it was me, want to get involved in anything that has to do with Tamra, she is an evil bitch and nothing but pure trash.

      • HD says:

        I agree with you Sparkles. I have beat that Gretchen thing into the ground. Had it been Jill making those comments at the Morocco dinner about a fellow cast mate, I wonder how that would have played out.

        Also agree that Jenna needs to mind her own damn business. She was the fool stuck in a horrible marriage but now she has allllllllll the advice. Okay. Yeah, I’m lining up to listen to you because we see you did it so well.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Simon is a controlling douche. He and Tamra are like oil and vinegar. That marriage was doomed long before Vicki entered the picture.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        iss that in a quite different light
        whil im sure that simon was embarrased by that thing (Trampy)
        to me she looks more like the person that would have been the abuser and if anyone is a unfit mom its Trampy
        she only cares about herself

        • Stella says:

          The thing with Simon is that I was surprised to see that he was supposed to be controlling. Before the season with them splitting up he and Tamra seemed good and even Vicky said she wanted a marriage like theirs. She was happy he was taking her on trips and buying her that Rolex. I honestly thought that if he was being controlling in any way it was after the season aired that showed why she in Vicky did together like trying to het Gretchen “naked wasted” and using her own son to try to get her to cheat on Jeff. I think Simon was just as mortified and disgusted by that behavior as we were if not more so and when last season started filming he decided that he was not goin to let something like that happen again and that’s why he hated her friendship with Vicky and he even said can you imagine what she would be like if I didn’t control her. I don’t know what went on behind the scenes but aside from the timing of Simon losing money his timing of behavior seemed to be after the season when Tamra and Vicky let loose.

          • Jezzibel says:

            I agree with you….that must have been very horrifying for him to watch( I don’t think he had any idea what was going on or he would have put a stop to it and let Gretchen go with Lynn )…his wife conspiring to get her rival falling down drunk, so that her son could make a pass at her….under his roof. I think he was well aware and might have gotten off on how trashy Tamara could get…..but once he saw the footage and what she, vicki, and her son were attempting to humiliate a very inebriated woman, it must have been stomach turning to him that his wife was capable of letting something like that happen to her full knowledge and glee.

            • Suzieq says:

              Maybe I don’t remember that episode very well….but I don’t understand how Gretchen getting drunk and acting like an idiot when she’s supposed to be married is anyones fault but her own…
              I mean, I can just see myself coming home from a night out and telling my husband, whoops, I accidentally cheated on u on national TV….but don’t get upset because it wasn’t my fault…the ppl I was with made me get drunk and had their son hit on me. So see, I had nothing to do with it!!
              Sounds like a Jill move….blaming your bad behavior on someone else.

    • VAGirl says:

      Sparkles, I agree with you about Gretchen and Jeanna. Gretchen was out of line and should just own it. Jeanna needs to mind her own business.

      • HD says:

        I remember I had a poetry reading one night at 7:00 well right before that my dad who has COPD looked pretty bad. He had been looking bad but finally my sister and I called 911 and MADE him go to the hospital. The doctor said if he did not come in that day he would have just died in his sleep. This was years ago and he is fine but my point is those people I had a performance for probably thought yeah right. Do you think I gave a damn. When it comes to your health poetry and fashon shows can wait. Eff that stupid lame ass fashion show if I am bleeding out of my butt. So what? I can make Alexis feel better? Child please. I wish I would. Who is Gretchen anyway? She was out partying at Bass Lake while the love of her life was fighting for his life with CANCER! But she is the authority on how you should act in a health crisis? OKAY! Jeff was dying of cancer but its okay to be partying, drinking with that Jay guy on a boat. Yeah. Okay. Spare me.

        • Sparkles says:

          I agree with everything you said, HD. Except that you should have put quote marks around “the love of her life.”

          This is the main reason I do not like Gretchen. I can even excuse a little partying (maybe), but how could she date someone else while her fiancee was dying?

          My second issue with Gretchen is Slade. I don’t need to rehash here all that is wrong with him. How can she even consider having children with a man who doesn’t take care of the kids he has, including one with cancer?

          • HD says:

            Right! I have no clue why women date or marry men that do not take care of their children. This is their flesh and blood but you foolishly expect him to take care of you. All Gretchen needs to do is look, he is treating her the very same way he is treating his kids-doing nothing.

            • Rabble Rouser says:

              ITA, the way a man treats his former wife and children that they have together, is the great predictor of how he is going to treat you and what type of father he would be.

              When I was in my 20′s I dated a guy and found out through mutual friends that he was a dead beat dad. He gotten his long time girlfriend pregnant (for a second time, the first time he pressured her to have an abortion or he would leave her) and broke up with her. He never even laid eyes on his kid. His sister was best friends with his ex’s younger sister, so she had a relationship with her nephew. It was just a strange and complicated mess, but long story short I broke up with him. I had a hard time reconciling the fact that his was a guy who seemingly would have done anything for me but would do NOTHING for his own flesh and blood?

              I ran for the hills.

        • alicia says:

          I think Gretchen had an agreement with Jeff to be with him to brighten up his last days.Where they the loves of each others lives ? Probably not. Jeff probably looked the other way at Gretchen’s indiscretions. They both benefitted from the relationship, I’m sure Jeff didn’t want to be all alone in his final months. Let’s get real people.

          • Sparkles says:

            I understand and would be fine with that if Gretchen were honest about it. Stuff like her song about Jeff for “charity” had me SMH.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          Jeff was dying of cancer for what over a year
          and Gretchen was at his side 99 per cent of the time
          he told her to go to that family function
          she needed a break
          anyone that has ever cared for anyone long time needs a break at one point or another
          I was taking care of my elderly gran for 3 years straight (she had dementia) i went out one night had the time of my life had my sister come to watch her for the night
          the next day my entire family went out f thier way to make sure i felt guilty as hell
          which is where i told them they all could go

          • HD says:

            Could be but when Gretchen couldn’t be at stuff because she was ailing for a man that as you said was dying for a year, that was what she CHOSE to do. If Vicki wants to get her sickness checked out I didn’t know she had to schedule around Alexis’s weak fashion show. Ass bleeding? Short dresses? Ass bleeding? Short dresses? Hmmmm I’m gonna get my ass checked out. LOL!

          • Stella says:

            I’m sorry your family tried to make you feel that way when you were doing such a good and loving thing taking care of your gran. My mom had 8 brothers and sisters and not one of them helped her take care of their mom who was dying of cancer (at the time we didn’t have a car so my mom paid for a taxi service to take them to her chemotherapy and radiation when my aunt who lives nearby had a car and didn’t work wouldn’t even drive them to the doctor and that’s just one example). Family always seem to have something to say from the sidelines. I hope your family realized how they came across and apologized.

            Hope you have a great day!

    • Sparkles says:

      Thanks for letting me know that I’m not alone in my views, everyone. :-)

      BTW, small observation: you know how Gretchen ends all her comments with that hee-haw laugh, as if she is so witty? I think it is getting on the producers’ nerves too. I noticed lately during her talking head segments that they chop her off abruptly right as she ends her sentence. It looks like she’s ready to do the laugh but they cut it. At least that’s how it appears to me.

      Thank goodness for small miracles.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Ha! I didn’t notice that. That’s a great observation. I hate the laugh also. Did you watch Ally on the Bachelorette? She had the same type of laugh and she would laugh that way every time she entered a room and said “hi.” It was the oddest thing. Very painful.

    • Kukulet says:

      Well…Tamra didn’t know the whole story about Gretchen and Jeff and Jay-especially Jeff’s side, since she never met him…so she’s a hypocrite to slam Jeana for the same thing.

      Tamra is trash. Always has been.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        i couldnt agree more mayby i should change her nick to Trashy instead of Trampy LOL

    • alicia says:

      I had a controlling ex and I felt simon mirrored alot of the same behaviors. I disagree with calling Tamra a slut-Simon has a girlfriend too and I’m sure he is having a good ole time with her. Jeana has no business advising anyone about marriage- she was just too lazy to leave her nasty husband, to the detriment of her children. especially her sons who picked up his bad personality traits. I guess I disagree with all the judgement of this particular post. Can’t we get past calling other women sluts- men would be patting each other on the back and saying “Atta boy- go have some fun after dumping that miserable wife!”

      • HD says:

        Thank you about that comment as well! The only reason why we haven’t seen Simon banging his new young girlfriend (and we’ve all seen pics of her) is because he is NOT on camera. Trust me, he is NO WHERE acting like a saint. He is hittin’ that.

        A woman finds a man that she is sexually attracted to and YES she HAS SEX WITH HIM and the world is about to end. Yes, people have sex, all day long, every single day of the year. And sometimes people even do it twice a day. And sometimes people even kiss their mates on camera. It is just SEX!! I never understood the big deal. Sonia does it and I don’t hear slut, whore, tramp. Bethanny had her boobs out in a pool, Jason’s penis was blurred on camera. OH speaking of on camera, did Bethanny not have her boobs out on film? What about Alex? Do I need to go on?

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      Sparkles considering that Icky & Trampy were attacking Gretchen for at least 2 years non stop i say whats good for the goose is good for the gander
      Esp since Icky is such a hypocrite
      she was on and on about Gretchen having an affair while her fiance was Ill
      yet by now most of us know that Icky cheated on her hubby despite there not being any confession from that witch

      • Sparkles says:

        Hi DJ. Yeah, Vicki shouldn’t have made out w/that guy in the bar. Not as bad as having a boyfriend on the side while you have a dying fiancee, but still uncool. She gets no woo-hoo from me on that.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          Sparkles i seriously doubt that was Vicki’s only time being with someone else just the only time it was photographed
          she aint staying at that office to the wee hours only to avoid Don LOL

          and for all we know her fiance may hae told her to take a lover
          we will never know the real story there
          but it is telling that after he died the kids still have a relationship with Gretchen

          • Sparkles says:

            I don’t see any signs that Vicki had a boyfriend on the side, but I agree that she may have made out with other guys in bars and just happened to get caught this time.

            If Jeff was okay with Gretchen seeing other people, that’s fine. But that’s not what Gretchen claims.

            I don’t like her, but I do respect your loyalty, DJ!

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            The kids don’t really have a relationship with Gretchen. They actually can’t stand her. A while ago I came across a website that contained posts, one of them was from someone who was very good friends with Jeff’s 2/4th wife (he remarried his second wife and she is the one who had kids with him) and another poster who was Jeff’s sister.

            Despite Gretchen saying Jeff has 4 kids, he only has 3. The dark haired girl that we saw before is actually a very close friend of his daughters (the one we saw on the show- and bought her own condo- and was ogling Gretchen’s ring).

            The reason they agreed to the ‘visit’ from Gretchen after Jeff died is because on the blogs and stories they felt their dad was being made out to look like a foolish old man who got taken by a gold digger. They wanted to protect his imagine while Gretchen did her own damage control.

            Gretchen is also saying that Jeff died broke- and while he did have debts that his estate needs to settle- the licensing agreement for the technology he developed still earns 1.2 million a year.

            Sorry- but Gretchen is a SNAKE. Jeff’s ex-wife and the mother of his children went to visit him in the hospital and Gretchen had her kicked out. Jeff’s son was there earlier and said called his mom saying that he was worried that his dad was being left alone too much.

            Remember- RHOC was in production while Jeff was dying and Gretchen was more focused on making her mark than taking care of him.

            She is an AWFUL person- and it she is going to end up childless and broke from all those lawsuits- with nothing but that horsey face of hers to keep her company.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          “She gets no woo-hoo from me on that.”

          Hahahhahaha.

    • plainviewsue says:

      I agree, so well said. I get the idea that Jeanna (who I always used to love) makes herself feel relevant by butting into everyone’s lives and for whattever reason always supporting the man! Even Laurie had mentioned somethiing on WWHL.

      While I can’t support all of Vicki’s and Tamra’s behavior, I think that Gretchen has come off the worst of all. There is no plausible reason for what she said about Vicki at the fashion show.

      Who cares if she’s been having problems for months? That’s not Gretchen’s businiess. That day at work she was bleeding heavily. Should she have come to the fashion show anyway?? What Gretchen said was beyond disgusting.

      Personally, I think Tamra is way better looking then Gretchen. I think Gretchen tries to come off a victim, but I personally believe that she was cheating on Jeff with that guy Jay, and there’s a lot more stuff we know nothing about.

    • kotagirl29 says:

      I agree with EVERYTHING you said Sparkles.

    • PF says:

      I think Gretchen knows she was wrong in how she acted. Not only was she embarrassing herself by asking if Vicki was making it up, but when Alexis’ assistant gets a phone call, she asks if it’s Vicki and starts laughing….Anyone else notice that she didn’t write a blog this week?

      • dsc60 says:

        no blog because she had no good excuse for her behavior and also didn’t want all the nasty comments. very telling. she sickens me.

    • Getagrip says:

      Great post and I agree. As an abused wife I find it amazing that Jeana is so supportive of Simon; it’s kind of sad actually as it shows that she hasn’t really dealt with her own abuse issues. At least on the show Simon was totally controlling and irrational if Tamra did anything without his approval; his insecurities must be overwhelming. Having said that I thought Tamra was a wimp and would ask Vicki for support then throw her under the bus when it would get confrontational with Simon.
      Gretchen cannot keep from giving little digs to everyone all the time, then tries to give a little cutesie smile as if that makes everything better. She reminds me of the joke about the frog and the scorpion; stinging is just her nature. So Gretchen, shut up about how Tamra or anyone else behaves because you are no better! If you want to put a dig into someone I suggest you stand in front of a mirror and then have at it! She gets on my nerves………

    • Adgirl says:

      I totally agree about Jeana. She claimed she was leaving the show because she was tired of the “drama” when actually she was dropped for demanding more $$ during the period when she nearly lost her house.
      So then … why is ashe creating drama in the press for another family?

  4. Kats2 says:

    Hi Everyone!

    OC is just a waste, get rid of them all. I really can’t stand Jeanna, she deserved the wine toss and everything else. Never liked her, never will.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      he i hate Icky but i dont wanna see some one shove her

    • PF says:

      Maybe when every cast member starts divorce proceedings and filing bankruptcy than that’s the sign the show is done.

  5. TEB2350 says:

    I can’t stand Tamra either. She is such trash and thinks she is so high class. She does disgust me. Vicki is another one I can’t stand to listen to. The two of them are perfect for each other.
    I disliked Alexis last year, but I am neutral towards her this year. Maybe b/c Tamra and Vicki are always slamming her? Not sure.
    Gretchen is OK- but her laugh really annoys me. Her boyfriend is revolting. His poor kids.
    Peggy is a loser who deserves to spend time with Tamra and Vicki.
    Wow- I couldn’t find a nice thing to say about any of them. Cast overhaul, anyone????

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Tamra doesn’t think she’s high class – she calls herself a truck driver with tits.

      Did you feel neutral about Alexis when she cut up that poor designer’s dress right in front of her? I hated her last season and when she did that my hatred bubbled right back up. She’s self-righteous, spoiled brat.

      I do agree, a cast overhaul would be fab. I’m sure there are some really wealthy women in OC who are more interesting than this group. The problem is anybody who is crazy enough to put their life out there has got to have serious issues.

      • TEB2350 says:

        I thought it was rude when Alexis did that to the designer. I guess I don’t care enough about her to like her OR hate her so that is why I said neutral.
        Tamra acts like she is above all the other girls (minus Vicki). I do remember her saying she was a truck driver with tits. She is such trash- how embarassing for her kids and her ex-husband.

    • PF says:

      Gretchen might could get a show on her own….if she could lose the laugh and the moocher. Oh, and stop calling everyone fat!

  6. WindyCityWondering says:

    Have to say that the OC has never held my interest and I have never made it through an entire reunion episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah it was the first franchise but it is beyond boring and needs to end.

  7. Furalis says:

    I DVR all of the HW now with the exception of Bethenny I DVR and watch at the alotted time – as her show is fun and exciting. What do we really get from any of these housewives? Nothing – Bethenny and Jason are funny and smart and include interesting people.

    The only one I think I will watch is NJ as I want to see Teresa get a smack down. She deserves it and I have been waiting along time.

    I’ll just come here and read the blogs. Lynn and Q are so on top of all of this and I thank them from the bottom of my heart. I say this a lot but the people here are very nice and supportive.

    • Sparkles says:

      I agree. I sometimes disagree with the prevailing views, but I like it here because Lynn and Quincy do a great job and there is such a good community of/ among the regulars.

      I sometimes go a long time without posting comments because I get behind in watching the shows (DVR’d) and then need to catch up reading here. I get all worked up about things y’all discussed three days prior!

      • HD says:

        I agree. Many times I disagree with things but I am sooooooooooo thankful my comments get posted anyway and not skewed or censored like Bravo does. Thank goodness!

    • PF says:

      I get decorating ideas…lol….I’m always looking in their kitchens. Bethenny has white flower pots to hold her cooking utensils. Wouldn’t work in mine but it’s simple and economical. I like that.

    • Sparkles says:

      Dina and Caroline aren’t speaking?

      “You’re fambly! Fix it!”

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Hahahhaa.

        I remember someone mentioned on here the other day that Dina and Caroline aren’t speaking. I’m DYING to know why.

        • I would love to know too. People are going to ask them if the rumors are true and they will deny it. Hopefully, someone will come out and spill the beans on the cause of the rift.

        • error404 says:

          It wouldn’t surprise me to find these two often go periods without speaking. Caro is a pushy control freak, and Dina is a spoiled brat. I can see many situations big and small where they’d get on each others nerves.

          Primary suspect for me would be the fake marriage that Caro arranged for Dina that doesn’t seem to be going so well. Albert doesn’t seem as bad as his bro, but he too appears to ignore his wife and despite all her empty nest crying, Caro may be impatient with all of Dina’s “I’m so bored and lonely in that big house by myself” wailing. Dina might be sick of hearing “suck it up like I do!”.

          Next could be the show. Why exactly did Dina leave and Caro stay? Dina seems like she might still want on. There could be a disagreement about all that. Whatever the reason for one staying the other going, I doubt any of it has anything to do with Danielle.

          • ihearttalavera says:

            That makes a lot of sense.

            I was wondering how Dina’s marriage was going. I actually saw her on a wedding show when she was planning her wedding. I cannot think of the name of it, but I recognized her right away on RHW. I think because her and her husband were on this other show, it surprised me that he wouldn’t allow himself to be filmed.

            If her marriage is going poorly, it wouldn’t surprise me if Caroline was taking Dina’s husband’s side. I can see how the sisters married to brothers thing can cause problems, especially if one of the marriages ends in divorce.

            • Stella says:

              I saw that show too and I’m pretty sure it was Platinum Weddings.

              • ihearttalavera says:

                Yes! Thanks Stella. I don’t think it’s on any more, but that was really fun to watch.

            • PF says:

              It was reported that after that wedding show, he felt like he was not shown in a great light, and so, he didn’t want to be on the HW’s. Also he was working so much, that he didn’t want camera’s in his face when he was home.

      • Kats2 says:

        I can’t tell you how happy (int he world of HW gossip) this news of the Manzo sisters not talking makes me. Can’t stand the Manzo HW’s.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          I know! I hope somebody calls Caroline out on this. And SOON! She is so smug about her fambly being intact. In my experience, smug usually comes back to bite you in the butt.

          • Sparkles says:

            Karma is a beyotch.

            Another example: a year ago, Teresa ganged up on Danielle at the Posche fashion show.

            Fast forward one year: Everyone at the Posche fashion show now knows it’s true that Teresa’s lifestyle is a sham. Teresa is the one getting confronted. I kinda felt sorry for her but then remembered that you reap what you sow.

            • ihearttalavera says:

              I know. It was a little pathetic when she went down the catwalk and nobody was clapping for her. She looked like a sad little puppy. But like you said, you reap what you sow. Her and her husband are crooks. The only way she could ever redeem herself in my eyes if her and her husband reimburse all of the people they screwed over in the bankruptcy (instead of having people to their house to get her ready for a fambly event) and start living within their means.

              • FLG says:

                You may get your wish on that one. The bankruptcy trustee isn’t happy with T&JJ. Fraud isn’t dis-chargeable under bankruptcy laws and they may well end up with financial judgments up to their ta-tas. I think the next hearing is in July.

      • error404 says:

        Please. One brother was in business with Chris, but Caro and Saint Dina haven’t spoken to him in many years! Those two Manzo broads are as fake as they come.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          I had no idea. How on earth can this woman go on tv and act the way she did toward Theresa last week with with all the issues she has in her own family? She’s obviously hiding some huge balls under her dresses.

        • Sparkles says:

          Really? Do tell.

      • Getagrip says:

        ROTFL!!!!!!

      • Getagrip says:

        Too funny!

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Caroline likes to say that a lot but there seems to plenty of infighting with the Manzo’s (didn’t we read that some of Tommi and Alberts siblings had sued them?) and that Caroline has a brother (I think it’s the one in business with Chris) that doesn’t speak to her; and she and some of the other family members were omitted from an obituary for the child of a family member.

        I imagine most families, especially large ones that would have many different types of personalities might know some discourse. I think the difference is with Caro, is while she isn’t above a family feud she isn’t about to go public with it.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          RR, Where do you get all of this great info? You’re amazing!

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I got it here :)

            I just remember stuff. I think someone found the actual obituary and posted it. Let me see if I can find it.

            • ihearttalavera says:

              Wow! So much good info on here, and I guess I’m not even reading half of it. Thanks for reposting this.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            This is the obituary for Caroline’s and Chris’ nephew .
            http://www.westportnow.com/index.php?/v2/comments/frankie_laurita_25/

            • Rabble Rouser says:

              This is an article talking about the Manzo brothers having judgments and liens against them and mentions one was brought on by a family member

              http://www.realitytea.com/tag/signature-apparel-group/

            • housewifeaddict says:

              That is hard. My husband just found out (from googling on the internet) that his cousin died, and that his whole family wasn’t even told, much less mentioned in the obituary. He’s got a great family – really close with his mom’s side, but his dad’s brother just disappeared off the face of the earth after asking for some money to bail him out of trouble. My FIL is the nicest man on earth – you’d think you’d reach out when your child died, even if there has been some issues.

              • Rabble Rouser says:

                I’m so sorry to hear that.

                I know that most family’s have their issues, but you would think that when someone dies, it could be put aside for a moment.

    • Kats2 says:

      Thank you for the link that is great scoop.

    • error404 says:

      WCW your comment made me LOL! Especially since the “insider source” (who knew Jill Zarin knew the Gorgas so well!”) pretty much confirmed what I’ve been saying all along: The Groga parents are rageaholics who created these two monsters and then unleashed them on an innocent world. I really can’t see how anyone can stand by the “the poor parents” excuse much longer. I don’t feel bad for Jac that she has such and awful daughter in Ashley, and I certainly don’t feel bad for the Gorga, even if they are in poor health for their age.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Rageaholics. Love this. I totally agree. I could see maybe if ONE of your kids acted this way, but both? This is definitely behavior that was learned at home.

      • Getagrip says:

        error: As for Ashley; children live what they learn, nuff said.

      • Karen says:

        Thank you, i posted this on another thread here. Teresa and joes parents raised two monsters. I can’t believe people and the poor parents nonsense. One kid ok , two???? Look at the parents

  8. ihearttalavera says:

    “Tamra Barney seems to be encouraging Vicki to get a divorce….Tamra says things like, “do you want to just exist?”” We need to remember that Vicki and Donn have been headed down this path for some time. I’m sure in the beginning Tamra did encourage counseling and other ways to save the marriage. Vicki has said some rotten things on tv about Donn, but we don’t know what he did leading up to that point. Tamra, as a friend to Vicki, I’m sure realizes at this point, just like Lynn realized above, that these two need to divorce and I think these are the types of questions a true friend asks when she’s helping a friend in this type of situation.

    I don’t agree that Tamra is in anyway blaming Vicki for her divorce or trying to get back at her. Simon was a controlling douche and I think she’s happy to be rid of him. I do think that she is dramatic and tries to stir up drama instead of just letting the dust settle. Tamra is who she is, and she owns it.

    No matter how ugly things tend to get between to people during the process of a divorce, there is usually an overwhelming sadness when it ends. Vicki wouldn’t be human if she didn’t feel sadness and regret. I believe Vicki really was sad and I think that’s completely normal.

    “Jeana may be a lot of things but she does have class and she does have grace and dignity putting her far above Tamra Barney.” Dignity? Have you heard the way she lets her son speak to her? She lost her dignity a long time ago. I’m not sure she ever had any class.

    “Apparently Vicki had these symptoms for a few months and really should have gone in to have it checked out long before the day of Alexis’ fashion show. I’m not sure how Gretchen knew that but the fact does remain that Vicki’s timing was a bit suspect.” I read Vicki’s blog and I believe her. I think calling Vicki out on the timing of a trip to the emergency room for a serious health issue is low even for Gretchen.

    “Peggy was ready to latch on to anyone she could then begin to try to convince viewers that Alexis was jealous of her and trying to compete with her.” The very first scenes this season with Alexis and Peggy at the play ground with their kids showed Peggy exactly competitive and jealous Alexis is. Why would she want to be her friend after this? Alexis would trade Taliban Jim for Micah in a heart beat.

    Lynn, I love your blogs so it’s always a shock to me when I disagree with anything you say but I disagree with most of your opinions on the OC women. I do, however, appreciate the fact that you and Quincy are working on a holiday weekend, so thank you!

  9. ihearttalavera says:

    I don’t believe that Lumann’s divorce wasn’t filmed because she took precautions to make sure it wasn’t. That is giving her way too much credit. I’m pretty sure her husband spent all but a few days of their marriage living out of the country to avoid being around her. I believe that’s why we didn’t see the divorce unfold on the show.

    I was just thinking the other day how sorry I felt for her when she went through her divorce. Now I can’t stand her. What a difference a season can make. I think this is the issue with Gretchen right now too. People are seeing her down right now because of her relationship with slade, so we are all forgetting what a selfish, vile person she really is.

    • Sparkles says:

      Oh, I still remember. LOL.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I think LuAnn was very careful to keep her divorce off camera. I remember (maybe a reunion) where someone (probably Ramona) called her out for pretending on camera (at a few charity events with Hubby) that nothing was wrong – while everyone on the cast knew they were getting a divorce. Cat didn’t let us know about her marital problems either.

      LuAnn wants us to think her life is all lollipops and roses – she never talks about her limited income, and only being able to afford a tiny apartment in the city now that she’s divorced.

      Some housewives show us bits and pieces of their real lives – others put on a show for us. LuLu, Kelly, and Jill are all show – which is why I’m tired of them. Ramona and Sonja are half show – I doubt in real life they try to sell their merchandise so hard. Alex and Cindy seem a little more real – unfortunately for Cindy her real is a debbie downer personality.

      • Jezzibel says:

        I wonder if Cindys attitude and actions have started to affect her business yet? After what we’ve been shown of her would any one of us use her service or products?

      • FLG says:

        Countess Squash Blossom High Horse’s little pied a terre is also on the WEST side.

      • PF says:

        LuAnn is now down close to Alex’s income. Alex is 400K, according to celebritynetworth.com. The thing about Alex, though, is she owns it and WORKS hard for what she does have. LuAnn wants to pretend that she still has alot, but I kind of questioned it when she was apt hunting. Honestly, I bet she signed a pre-nup and got nothing. Her net worth is 2M. The Count is 50M. And how much you want to bet that some people gave her up socially since her divorce. Not that I agree with the ‘pecking order’ of things. But reality is reality. This may be why she sticks close with Jill’s Team. Hate her or really hate her, but Jill does seem to have some social connections. Even before RHONY began. Here are the rest, just out of curiosity….
        Sonja -20M (John Morgan 100M), Cindy 6M, Kelly 15M (Gilles Bensimon 25M), Ramona Singer 18M, Jill & Bobby Zarin 35M.

        The housewife with the mostest would be Adrienne from BH….300M…She’s one of my favs. Her and her husband are hilarious together.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        You could be right, but I think she was in an unhappy marriage for years and just worked to keep that off camera. I believe she was blindsided by her husband’s request for a divorce.

    • dsc60 says:

      i agree. after all, LuMan’s husband told her he was divorcing her in an e-mail.

  10. housewifeaddict says:

    There are 2 things I like about OC.

    1. It’s almost over
    2. It’s on Sunday and by Monday night we’re talking about NJ

    So I’m going to change the subject and post this very very old gossip about NY – written just as the show was cast. What I find interesting is how their status was measured (by mentions in the gossip pages), and how little LuAnn was known in NY, about the same as Alex. They slam Bethenny – and look how far she had come.

    KEEP IN MIND THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE ONE SHOW EVEN AIRED – IN 2008

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/01/the_ladies_of_the_real_housewi.html

    • Furalis says:

      Perfect “quick scan of Nexis teaches us about these so-called socialites”. So they weren’t buying it then. So true about Bethenny she blows everyone away. Luv it.

    • dsc60 says:

      one thing you can say about the NYRH, they are the only housewives that have not had a turnover from year to year. the originals are still there, except bethenny of course, and i wouldn’t even count, um, was her name jennifer? now that i think about it, i’m not sure this is a good thing though… lol

  11. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    “There’s a rumor out there that Bravo is looking to replace all of the New York Housewives, that’s not a bad idea but they really should start in Orange County, replace them all I say!”

    what i keep hearing is that they are gonna replace anyone they are gonna just drop the shows one by one
    starting with the ones that rake in the least profits
    that i would think is OC followed by NJ
    so much for all the prayed by me for Miami and Lynn for DC

  12. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    arent i ment to say not are LOL

    • ihearttalavera says:

      DJ, Due to the Gretchen bashing, I was expecting you! There was some bashing of your boy Andy yesterday and I kept waiting for you to show up. Hope you’re having a good weekend. :)

  13. Kats2 says:

    Caroline, Jac and the whole Jersey mob will never admit it but have to know that Teresa is the one who made the situation worst and triggered loser Ashely to get in trouble with the police. They are starting to show signs this season, you can start to see the cracks and them turning against each other (just a little bit).

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I think they know it – but Ashley was in her own fb/texting feud with Danielle -and needs to be responsible for her own actions.

      Danielle should have dropped the charges – getting into a fight with a teenage castmate on a reality show made her look like a fool – and is probably contributed to her being dropped from the show.

      I haven’t heard of anyone filing charges about what happened at the Christening, and that was way worse than a hair pull.

      • Furalis says:

        I don’t agree with dropping the charges for Ashley. That was bad behavior and she needs to own up to it. She is a little swit and acts like a spoiled brat.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          Sure – but she was also hamming it up for a reality show. Sheree pulled Kim’s wig, NeNe may have choked Kim, Teresa pushed Andy – all of those could have resulted in charges being filed but they didn’t. Even Kelly about the same punishment as Ashley for punching her boyfriend in the face – but that was off camera and a real altercation.

          • housewifeaddict says:

            Sorry – Kelly got ….

          • alicia says:

            Ripping out hair extensions is much different than pulling a wig- your own hair is attatched to the tip of the extension . It would be painful to even have a couple pulled out- I know, I have them!

          • Furalis says:

            I hear what you are saying but none of that is acceptable. You can say what you like but should not get physical.

            • housewifeaddict says:

              I very much agree that none of it is acceptable.

              Deep sigh. Bravo seems to encourage, and even reward this behavior. The ladies that are “boring” are cut from the show.

  14. Sparkles says:

    There is a blind item in this week’s National Enquirer about the RHs. It asks which “diva” RH has promised to make a newcomer RH’s life “a living hell” but should instead be mending her own crumbling relationship.

    My guess: Nene. RHOA is filming now and I read that the fiancee of NFL player Charles Grant (the guy who some say Nene cheated w/) is said to be on the show. I can see Nene vowing to make someone’s life a living hell, though Nene’s marriage has already crumblED (past tense).

    Runner-up guess: Taylor. RHOBH is filming now and Brandi Glanville is said to be a new HW. Taylor’s marriage is crumbling and, though I can see her making someone’ s life a living hell, I think she would be sneaky about it – not blatant.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Brandi is supposed to be fighting with Kyle. I haven’t heard any rumors about Kyle’s marriage – but the crumbling relationship could be with her sister Kim.

      • dsc60 says:

        it could still be Taylor. we know how protective she seems to be of Kyle. i don’t know just a thought. i agree with what Kats2 says below me here.

    • Kats2 says:

      Like shooting fish in a barrel, could be any of them.

  15. housewifeaddict says:

    New interview with the OC ladies – not much new – but interesting how Vicki dominates the others with the interviewer. And Tamra.

    http://absurdtosublime.net/2011/05/28/real-housewives-of-orange-county-make-scene-in-new-york-restaurant/

  16. jeepers1941 says:

    The only redeeming thing that came from the bravo franchise is Bethenny Frankel. She got in and got out, just like she said she would and with all her teeth still in her mouth. She had a beautiful baby girl, Bryn and married a swell guy that seems to be devoted to her and his daughter.
    You can take the rest of these people to the garbage pile IMHO.

    And BTW, a slut is a slut Alicia, no matter how you dress it up!!

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I like BH (Lisa and Adrienne, and Kim in particular), and Atlanta (Kandi and actually most of them except NeNe when she gets drunk or sulky (I love happy NeNe). I don’t think either of those franchises are over yet. I just think that OC is over and NY is tiresome. DC was cancelled, and Miama will probably be as well. NJ seems to have gone to a dark and violent place, but we’ll see how it works out.

    • alicia says:

      I guess I don’t understand because we have only seen Tamra with her husband and her new boyfriend… If I were to call someone out it would be Slade- THREE
      housewives already? I’ve been married right out of college but not everyone is as lucky as me. It’s difficult to find a good man and it’s not always the womens’ fault that a series of relationships hasn’t worked out. I’ll agree Tamra has engaged in some “trashy” behavior that I wouldn’t necessarily condone.
      Everyone have a happy memorial day and remember our troops!!!

      • Kats2 says:

        I don’t think Tamara is a slut, low class yes, slut no.

        • jeepers1941 says:

          Well we all have our own opinions about what a slut is I am sure, and if you want me to put a name behind what I was referring to, then yes, I think TAMRA IS A SLUT.
          She has no respect for her children or even herself, or she would never have done that scene on national tv, let alone in the name of entertainment for public consumption. It was a disgrace, and she acted like some common cheap ass whore as far as I am concerned. And this is the last time I care to talk about it, because I am entitled to my opinion just as you all are to yours.

    • HD says:

      @ Jeepers but what makes Tamara a slut. She was married to Simon, she did not cheat (from what we saw. neither of them did)

      Bethanny- has had affairs with married man, had done soft core porn, has sent her boyfriend nude photos at work, has had her boobs out on camera, Jason has had his penis out on camera, gets measured for bras on film and chest bumps her friend with her boobs, posed in her school girl skirt for that photographer with the accent, drinks that SGM drink every day it appears, Bethanny has made boobs and penis jokes as well, wears tight and short dresses, so much so even she said “if I had on a tampon the string would be showing,”, the list goes on.

      So I am saying, why is she so different than Tamara? Because we like her? Or her slutty-ness is what, classy? I’m confused. I like B but lets not wear rose colored glasses here. All the women have done their fair share of stuff that some may deem slutty. Tamara poses for NOHate campaign and she’s a whore. Bethanny poses for Peta nude and it’s wonderful, look she’s saving all the little creatures of the universe. Let’s call it what it is. I like Bethanny but I am also a realist.

      • Kats2 says:

        I thinks that these HW’s get so caught up in fame and the money they need so badly (this includes all of them, even my favorite Bethenny) that the line between the things they do on the show and who they really are gets very blurry. Fame and Fortune will win every time.

      • jeepers1941 says:

        HD,
        Don’t know what brought that on, but the only person I named in my post was Bethenny Frankel. And as I said, she got in and she got out. I didn’t say she was a saint or that she was any better than anyone else. All I was trying to convey was she was smart enough and worked hard enough to do what she had to do and then get the hell out. She has done somethings that she herself would probably cringe at now, but that was then. OKAY? And I stand by my statement, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig!! Or more to my original statement, “a slut is a slut, no matter how you dress it up”. And that is my real world.

        • HD says:

          @ Jeepers-So true, you can put lipstick on a pig and it is still a pig. I agree 100%.

          • dsc60 says:

            to get technical, you are correct HD. the definition of slut is a promiscuous women, whore, prostitute. there’s no evidence that Tamra is a slut by that definition. low class is more appropriate. but some people do use the word slut loosely.

        • Mary says:

          I appreciate this type of dialog. You all make valid and logical points, sprinkle in that we are discussing “reality” tv. As for Bethenney, I know she is flawed but she has something that makes her likable, so we look past the human flaws. I personally don’t watch her show, it’s boring, but I like her and am happy for her success. Heck, I’ve even bought a bottle of Skinny Margaritas but could not finish it, and I still like her.
          In comparison, I wouldn’t use those tacky girdles or sheets of nasty Jill Zarin if you gave them to me on a solver platter. I cannot get past how much I hate her regardless of her crocodile tears. I bet Bethenney knows the real story on Jill but is too smart to even acknowledge Jill’s existence.
          Trash in, trash out. It appears to be about popularity.
          Nice discussion. I love this blog.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        I don’t think talking openly about sex and body parts makes anyone a “slut”. Ummm – Kandi Koated nights anyone?

        I feel that Tamra’s bathtub scene was icky – and the closest to soft porn we’ve seen on Bravo. What made it worse was that she talked about the kids not really having even met Eddie – yet she was willing to put it all out there on TV.

        Vicki and LuLu are the two that are pretty much known to be cheaters. I believe Ramona called LuLu a slut in that phone call to Jill (the infamous speaker phone debacle) for cheating on her husband.

      • Suzieq says:

        Wow, that was very well put. I think that some ppl will form opinions in their head and no matter what facts u patiently show or explain to them, they will not even try to listen/look. It makes me think of anyone who might be a Jill fan. That person will be blind to any reasonable argument of the opposite! But then maybe the same goes to a Jill hater! (or maybe even a tamra hater!) lol

  17. Kats2 says:

    Ashley needs professional help, more than Crazy Kelly. She will do anything and I mean ANYTHING to get attention. She wants to be Paris Hilton and I know a sex tape is not out of the question. She will do anything to bring her mother down she is so jealous of her own mother it’s sick. (Jac’s work on the show has delivered fame and money, she is very pretty and married a man who has taken care of her financially and from all accounts is a good guy to Jac.) Ashley has no respect for her Mom and thinks her Mom has it easy. I see nothing but an evil, vile person when I see and hear Ashley on the show. She is the type of kid who would threaten her own safety to get a reaction and what she wants from her Mother. Look up manipulative and see a picture of Ashley. Bravo editors should keep her off camera on purpose, no talking heads, no appearances on WWHL, no blogs.

  18. Getagrip says:

    OK, so this site isn’t posting any of my responses in the right place so sorry to all!

  19. MAMAZ says:

    HD – I agree with the exception of Betheny’s movie. I was not soft core porn. It was a B movie that featured some nudity. There is a big difference.

  20. Kukulet says:

    I didn’t say Tamra was a slut. I don’t think she is. She doesn’t act slutty-we’ve only ever seen her with her husband and her new boyfriend. In my book, that doesn’t even come close to being “slutty”-whatever ‘slutty’ means, because to me, a single woman sleeping with a variety of single men is perfectly fine.

    I don’t think Simon is a saint. I saw a lot of controlling behavior on his part when they were married. Even without that, these were obviously two people who are better off apart. It takes two to make marriage work and two to make it fail, so neither one of them is exempt from responsibility for the divorce.

    What I said was that Tamra is trashy. In my opinion, she is. She’s even pretty much said that her behavior is rude and crude-”a truck driver with tits”.

    And I found it hypocritical of Tamra to slam Jeana for doing the same thing that Tamra herself did towards Gretchen. Tamra’s argument is that Jeana doesn’t know both sides of the story-but, hey, Tamra doesn’t know what Jeff’s side of the story was in his relationship with Gretchen, because she never met him and never talked with him about it before he died.

    So, Tamra, don’t preach it if you ain’t practicing it.

    • jeepers1941 says:

      And let us not forget, her little confession about the kissing in the bathroom with Fernanda, even tho she said, “its not like they were twikking each others nipples”, but as I recall, she was still married to Simon at that time as well…..

      • Kukulet says:

        I don’t consider that ‘slutty’ myself. Over the course of any long term marriage, I guarantee that both partners will feel attracted to other people. It might be a little indiscreet to act on it, but, meh, it’s just a kiss.

        I can’t stand Tamra, but it’s not like she was boinking the Dallas Cowboy defensive line when she was married.

  21. klmh says:

    I think its important, in any case, to know the difference between diverticulosis and diverticulitis. This site might bring more understanding to Vicki’s pain and s/s when she decided to go to the hospital. http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/diverticulosis/
    I’ve brought this topic up before without providing a link. By the way, my mother had diverticulitis. It hastened her death.
    Im surprised anyone would question her “timing” after reading this.
    I guess the question is, if you were bleeding rectally and experiencing pain, would you go to a fashion show or would you go to the hospital?

    • Kats2 says:

      Vicki or anyone else does not have to attend a fashion show – work, sick or whatever. I don’t doubt V was sick, I just think it was so funny how V being there meant everything to the weirdos making such a big deal about it. They not V took the focus off the “fashion” show.

      • Kats2 says:

        Oh not KLHM sorry to hear your mom has this and I hope she is well. Thank you for the link :)

        • Kats2 says:

          Correction “Oh and KLMH” sorry for the typos

        • klmh says:

          Thanks Kat. She passed way almost 9 years ago.

          That is so true about the other ladies reactions. What pieces of work these women are…

          • Adgirl says:

            @klmh – I’m so sorry to learn this about your mom. It must make watching these harpies even more infuriating.

            • klmh says:

              Absolutely, Adgirl. Im having more difficulty with Lynn’s repeated support of Gretchen more than anything though.
              Gretchen had little time to think of a reason to bash Vicki, so she came up with this tactic that afternoon. I think she regrets it now, with the backlash she has received, but to give her the benefit of the doubt, also because she understands the situation a bit better.

          • Kats2 says:

            So sorry to hear about your Mom. I lost my Dad 10 years ago, it’s all so very difficult.

          • Okie Folkie says:

            So sorry klmh, for your loss. Its so difficult being without parents.

            • klmh says:

              Thanks O-F. I was so lucky to have them and my beloved sister too.
              I surmise from your note you lost your parents as well. Im sorry for your loss as well.

    • Kukulet says:

      I don’t question Vicki’s motives the night of the fashion show-she did the right thing and I don’t think missing the fashion show entered into it for Vicki.

      I did wonder, when it was revealed that she had had rectal bleeding a month earlier, why she didn’t see a doctor then. Even the website you linked to says very clearly: “A person who has bleeding from the rectum—even a small amount—should see a doctor right away.”

      Sorry, but if that was true, then I thought that was foolish of her. Not that it matters, since she has since sought medical advice.

      • klmh says:

        I didn’t realize she had bleeding previously, but she may have been pain free and thought it was from hemorrhoids, idk! Sometimes people could have trouble telling where the blood comes from.
        It galls me to think someone would question her need for immediate medical attention though, in any circumstance.

    • Getagrip says:

      I have diverticulosis (“itis” on the end means inflammation/infection, as in sinusitis, etc) and have had MINOR bleeding myself. It is pretty freaky to see blood in the toilet (sorry, it’s an unpleasant topic); I had to be hospitalized once because of it myself. Gretchen’s just plain hateful…and to try and get Alexis to question Vicki’s “motive” was just plain disgusting.

  22. Miss Katherine says:

    my mother and i are convinced all new jersey are involved in mob activities. this hasn’t been discussed in a long time. i guess it’s hard to prove, but it’s a gut feeling…. especially with the murder of the manzo brothers’ father. something is not right there!

    • jeepers1941 says:

      Miss,
      Well it is for sure the old man Manzo didn’t crawl in that trunk and shoot himself 3 or 4 times, now did he?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO maybe they sadly want to be mobbed up but I think they are garden variety criminals – grifting, using false documents to obtain money then using the money for other things, etc. If they played their games with real gangsters they would be joining Tiny Manzo – naked, trussed and full of lead in the car trunk behind the grocery store… Sorry RHNJ are a bunch of wannabees.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        That’s what kills me about Caro and her hypocrisy, she was screaming from the roof tops that being associated with Danielle would some how put her family in peril because she snitched on some Colombian drug lords.

    • Nancy says:

      Of course they are involved with the mob.

  23. Getagrip says:

    I just wonder how humiliating it is for ALL of the children of the HWs. Maybe the other kids don’t watch the shows, but if they do the HW kids must get razzed to the max. I can’t knock Ashley as she is so obviously wanting someone to give her some attention. Her mom got married then had another kid and she probably feels left out in the cold. Acting out is a major sign of needing someone to give a sh## about you.

    • PF says:

      Teresa is already reporting that Gia has been made fun of at school because of the christening episode.

      There was also something about LuAnn’s daughter recently. It’s really sad.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        And Danielle’s daughters had difficulty at school as well. Sad that the ego trumps the maternal in housewives land.

  24. Thedesigndiva says:

    When I watched Gretchen making her RUDE ASS comments about Vicki I wanted to slap her….
    I know Vicki’s pain …. I was rushed to ER on April Fools Day with the same symptoms.Spent 8 days there and 3 cat scans later am still suffering from this..NOT FUN.. Too bad Vicki didn’t attend and have the attack there and have the ambulance show up !!! Now that’s upstaging the Crotch Shot Show……
    HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO ALL…
    SEMPER FI
    Diva

    • dsc60 says:

      very good point. and i’m sorry for the pain you live with.

    • Adgirl says:

      OMG. I am so sorry you are suffering from this horrible disease. I hope the treatments are effective. Take care.

      • Thedesigndiva says:

        Thanks so much for your concern..HOWEVER..I am one of those Americans who DO NOT have health insurance and no Dr.will treat me w/o it…:>(…. So now I dont have a job any more and live in pain in my house close to a bathroom at all times…..
        But I still smile and snark on the HWS…LOL
        diva

        • klmh says:

          In 1983 I think it was, Reagan along with our congress, passed a law which stipulates that anyone walking into an emergency room will not be turned away and will be treated. This does not apply to private hospitals who do not receive federal funding.
          I am one of some here that believe in universal health care and am sorry you cannot receive the help you need.
          Are there any clinics or teaching hospitals around your area?

          • Nancy says:

            If a patient is “critical” we have to treat them. If they are stable we transfer them to a county hospital.

    • Furalis says:

      My step father has this an he had emergency surgery and almost died. This is a very serious disease. He is doing much better now.

  25. Adgirl says:

    Tamra:
    Uneducated fading party girl. Needy to be desired by men.

    Gretchen:
    Plastic and opportunistic. Not a nice person. In 8 years she will be Tamra.

    Alexis:
    Not the sharpest tool. Nice but is a follower. She parrots points of view she doesn’t understand and cannot articulate. Her only self esteem comes from controlling her body. She isn’t tough enough for this crowd of women so she “competes” by claiming she works harder or her kids are better etc.

    Peggy:
    Boring. A show off. Not as feminine or pretty as her husband.

    Jenna:
    Desperate has been needy to get back on the show after she was tossed for her salary demands. She will throw any woman under the bus to defend a man. She was a jerk to Vicki when she was supposed to be her real estate agent but instead screwed her over and then asked for a loan.

    Vicki:
    Bossy, prickly and pretends to not need people. I think she and Donn “broke up” years ago but still wanted to work it out somehow. I see them at a standoff for the past few years. He wanted someone feminine to “care” for him; she wanted someone macho to “care” for her. They didn’t trust each other so no one committed to the desired role. She stayed at work and he went out to party.
    While she was flirting publically we don’t know what Donn was doing or with whom – do we?

    • Getagrip says:

      Adgirl: Your appraisals are spot-on.

    • klmh says:

      I wonder if Alexis brain has been compromised by her eating disorder. How can anyone eat 900 calories a day, with exercise and maintain normal brain function? IDK.

      • Kats2 says:

        Nope just her husband controlling her I think

      • Kukulet says:

        They can’t – Kelly being the perfect example. She bragged a few years ago that she manages on 700 calories a day. Or something like that. I forget the exact number, but it was alarmingly low. And we all know Kelly’s brain misfires constantly.

        • Jezzibel says:

          ZZZTTT….zzzztttt…..ZZZZTTTT

        • PF says:

          How many calories do jelly beans have? LOL! I died laughing last year when she was in the van and argued about Bethenny’s healthy snack. What did she say? She doesn’t eat preservative foods or something. And then she hogged down that bag of jelly beans. She can’t leave the country without them!

          • housewifeaddict says:

            She doesn’t drink either. Except for beer, wine, and margies (except skinny girl margies). And posing nude is icky, unless it’s for playboy and your ex husband the best photographer in the universe does the photoshoot. But if it’s for PETA it’s icky.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Wow. That is very impressive. Are you a psychologist? Just wow. I completely agree except for the part where you called Alexis nice.

  26. Logan says:

    This woman had some harsh words for Ramona in an RHNYC commentary video-

  27. Smompy says:

    As usual (lately anyway) my take on the OC girls pretty much mirrors Lynn’s. I have to admit that I’m not as active a viewer as I once was though. Now I use the RHoOC bradcasts as background noise mostly. None of the, ahem, ladies interests me enough to pay close attention to the show any more.

    That said, I agree that Vicki has been horrible to her husband (and most everyone else) and I find it imposssible to feel sorry for her. She’s one of the fakest people I’ve ever seen. Tamra has always annoyed me because I don’t like people who are insecure but still manage to have gigantic egos anyway. With her treatment of Gretchen she went from annoying to vile and hateful. When Tamra goes after someone, she does it with such intense malice that her whole face contorts (the part that isn’t petrified by botox at least) to the point where she literally starts to look like a Disney-esque villainess. Jeanna isn’t the worst person in the world, but shes always been a passive-aggressive shit stirrer and I wasn’t sorry she “left the show.” Peggy is….who cares? Alexis and Gretcgen probably bother me the least, not to say that I admire them in any way. While both can be nasty at times, I don’t get the impression that either of them plots and plans to totally destroy other people the way Tamra does..and to some extent Vicki does. The biggest complaints I’ve heard about Gretchen have to do with her being a golddigging slut and/or speaking ill of Vicki while Vicki was in the emergency room with a bloody rectum. I won’t defend those things, but I’m not especially bothered by either of them myself. Oh, and anyone’s choosing to be with Slade Smiley would naturally cause me to lose an awful lot of respect for that person, so there’s that too. Anyway, If they replaced the whole OC cast, I’d be fine with that. I guess if they wanted to cancel it completely, that’d be fine with me too. Maybe the franchose has run its course.

    Sorry to have to put this as an addendum here, but the “reply” button for individual comments isn’t working for me right now, Let me first say, HD, this is not a personal attack on you in any way. Second, I have to say I’ve got nothing against pornstars or strippers or even prostitutes. If I had a female friend who decided to make her living by doing porn, tat wouldn’t bother me at all, and I’d gladly invite her over for dinner or let her watch my kids….OK maybe not the older boys! But seriously, haven’t we put this silly “Bethenny has done softcore porn” think to rest already??? I mean, do people really not know what pornography IS?

    Hardcore porn depicts explicit acts of fornication for the sole purpose of sexually gratifying an audience. So does softcore porn…except that it doesn’t show close ups of certain parts penetrating certain other parts. But pornography, whether softcore or hardcore is solely designed to titilate. I’m sorry but a campy, very low-budget R-rated comedy movie where part of the plot involves a joke about topless serial killers does NOT a “pornographic” movie make. I’ve seen that awful movie. If that was porn, then every actress in Hollywood (with the possible exception of Meryly Streep and a VERY FEW others) is necessarily a pornstar. That movie was not based upon the depiction of sexual activity for the gratification of a horny audience. It was horrible, silly and tasteless, and there were indeed topless scenes, but it simply was not pornographic. Aside from seeing some bare breasts and hearing some really bad, off color-jokes, there was nothing in that movie that hasn’t happened in a million other R-rated movies.

    And, for once, this has nothing to do with my wanting to defend Bethenny Frankel or her alleged virtue. I’d think it was just as incorrect and misleading to say that Kelly Bensimon or Jeanna Keough did “porn.” I can’t stand those two, and both of them were way more exposed than B was, but they absolutely didn’t do porn either.

    Sorry to sound like a pushy, know-it-all lecturer…it’s just that repeatedly hearing/reading something being stated as fact when I know this is not the case causes my eyes to involuntarily roll like beads on an abacus. And frankly all this eye-rolling makes it very difficult for me to drive!

    • Mary says:

      I hear you Smompy, but I do feel playboy is porn. Yeah okay, maybe soft porn, but I say this only because it was done with the intent of giving the “gentleman” a visual during self-gratification. (Not that there is anything wrong with that!) I’ll tell you this, it sure isn’t what I would consider art! Kelly Bensimom with her wonky boobs, wearing boots and a tiny leather skirt is her attempt at porn.

      • Smompy says:

        Yay, my reply button seems to be working again! Unless this disappears like my other attempts did…in which case, F U WordPress, Burn in Hell!

        Thanks, I hear you too Mary:) Lots of people view Playboy and things like that as porn, including my mother. For me, that’s just casting way too broad a net, though. ‘Cause when did nudity, in and of itself, become pornographic? The movies Playboy puts out usually depict two or more people having sex, so I can certainly see calling them porn, but pictures of a naked women, alone, doing nothing but lolling around a bed or whatever, and where no sexual acts are actually depicted or really even implied? If we call that porn, then we’d have to call an awful lot of other more mainstream things porn. For instance I watched a Kate Winslet movie the other night and was kinda shocked by how graphic the sex scenes were. Was that porn? Nope, never even crossed my mind to call it that.

        For me the test regarding pornography has to be not only whether we see nudity or depictions of sex – because let’s face it, nowadays both of these things appear in nearly every mainstream R-rated Hollywood movie – but whether or not the entire purpose of the movie is to cause men (well, it’s usually men) to become sexually excited. That certainly wasn’t the main purpose of Bethenny’s godawful formulaic comedy/slasher flick. It wasn’t released in porno theaters. Even if there were some scenes where there were topless girls or other things designed to titillate an audience, that doesn’t automatically make that movie pornographic. Almost all those “Friday the 13th” type movies has similar teen sex scenes, but nobody calls them porno.

        Also, if someone does express the opinion that any actor who has ever performed any such scene in a movie has indeed done soft core porn, I’ll probably disagree but still respect their opinion. It’s only when these things get stated as if they were gospel facts that I find it so irksome. I’d even give people a pass on expressing their surprising opinion that Kelly Bensimon was actually the” victim” of Scary Island and not the cause of the drama, but when an idea like that is stated so repeatedly and matter-of-factly, well, I’ll admit it…I get my panties in a knot. Sorry, can’t help it:)

        • dsc60 says:

          very well put and i have to say it drive me nuts when they call Tamra’s bathtub scene soft porn. call it distasteful, low-class, sleazy, but soft-porn isn’t even close.

          • Waslurking says:

            ITA…. tacky and really unnecessary re: Tamra,
            but any type of porn? no! As for that old movie with B in it………. PLZ! Twas nada compared to the GP13 ratings many movies get these days.
            It seems the majority of the regulars here are very “conventional”,….trying to be PC here. I don’t think it really has anything to do with age, either as I’m in my 50′s.
            Just about any movie these days, unless it’s Disney…….there is some T and A although a bit more subtle.
            Frankly………. I have more issue with movies that are so graphically violent…..but get a lower rating than a bit of adult humor and body parts.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      A little OT – but that discussion by the brunettes about porn at lunch was very strange. It sort of came out of no where – and I think Kelly said she had watched some – - –

      How is it that Kelly is so freaked out about seeing Sonja’s vajayjay for a split second? Why didn’t she just look the other way and laugh. It’s so strange. She seems very seriously freaked out by it – and I am freaked out by that.

    • HD says:

      @ Sompy-I don’t feel offended. I am just not going to pretend like Bethanny never had her boobs out for profit.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        HD, I totally agree with you.

        And…

        I love Bethenny, but her mouth is just as trashy as Tamra’s and they’ve basically done the same types of scenes as far as sex with a partner on tv. Yet for some reason Tamra gets called to task for it while Bethenny does not. I understand the reasons why. I just think it’s very interesting.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          I meant to say “it’s very interesting… the things people can get away with when they are likable.”

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I agree with you girls but I think that sometimes there are just certain people who while might have identical behaviors that get a little more latitude than others. I think it comes from a couple of things, their delivery is one of them.

            While Bethanny and Tarma have both stuck their tits out, Tamra has children that are old enough to be cognitive of it- not to mention they are all ready dealing with the pain of of a divorce.

            Beth is also a lot funnier than Tamra and has better delivery. With Beth, when she curses you get the feeling like that she purposely worked it into the joke- with Tamra is comes across as it’s part of her daily vocab.

            • ihearttalavera says:

              I like them both, but that is so true about Bethenny’s delivery and the age of Tamra’s children. Good points.

          • Waslurking says:

            I don’t think it really has a damn thing to do with likeability. How many years ago was B in that stupid movie??? Get fricking real…
            OMG ….boobs!! OMG! Grown up!

            I’ve been around from the start of this blog and
            I usually keep my opinions to myself if I strongly disagree with someone, especially with another long time poster………but…
            HD…..you continually say you like B…..but blast her each and every time you speak of her. Hell you bring up what you think are her many faults when she isn’t even part of the conversation.

      • Waslurking says:

        Lets pretend she was never young and made mistakes too?
        Does that work for you?

  28. Kats2 says:

    I still think any problem Kelly has or has had with other HW’s is about her jealousy.

    Bethenny’s success was too much for her to take and she lost it on that trip, a Skinny Girl gift bag sent her to the loony bin. Now Ramona is getting success with jewelry, wine, etc and Sonja having that photo shoot for her toaster oven book and Kelly trashes them every chance she gets. Alex modeling and Kelly gives a dig about “being a model has nothing to do with being pretty.”

    No fashion shows this season for Kelly to show off, no writing gigs, no cameras following her as she launches her feather jewelry. Just horses and mean girl crap.

    For me it all adds up, she is a jealous mean bitch.

    • Getagrip says:

      Kats2, I agree whole-heartedly!

    • Kukulet says:

      Kats2, ITA.

      The reaction to Bethenny’s tote bag gift had nothing to do with the tote bag being “impersonal”. It was filled with Bethenny centric products-and that was the part that Kelly couldn’t stand.

      Alex may not be a gazillionaire, but she does manage to support herself and her family nicely-and Jelly can’t stand that, either. Hence the crack about the modeling. It’s absolutely true that one can be photogenic without being pretty-but Alex is both, and Kelly hates that. Because let’s be honest-Kelly has a nice face, but the orange, leathery skin, ratty hair, lopsided boobs, and masculine body are pretty bad. Elle MacPherson, she isn’t.

      Sonja is pretty and confident within herself and with her body-which, given Kelly’s bizarre sexual hangups and repressions, is probably what makes Kelly envious. Sonja behaves like a sexually mature woman. Kelly behaves like a preadolescent.

      What has Kelly accomplished, really? A couple of books of stock photographs that ended up as supermarket giveaways. Her jewelry is dismal. Her “writing career” is a joke. The magazine she “edited” lasted all of two issues. Her kids clearly think she is nuts…and she can’t raise them without the help of nannies and Gilles living downstairs.

      Sad. Just sad. I’d feel sorrier for her if she wasn’t such an unpleasant personality.

      • Adgirl says:

        When was the last time Kelly was hired to model? And I mean hired by a real company – not a friend of hers.

      • sue says:

        Kelly hasn’t accomplished anything. Look up the old column she used to write for page 6 in the post, it was called social scene or something. The articles all read like they are written by a fifth grader, and in them she starts off with just a little of the topic or the person and then she trails off into name dropping and then everything is about her. It is bizarre, and we cant figure out how they would even consider her for something like that.

    • Adgirl says:

      I agree. If Bravo cast a young attractive woman that didn’t automatically kiss her ass then Kelly would go kookoo again.
      Her “problem” with Bethenny was 1. Bethenny was not impressed with Kelly’s social standing and 2. Bethenny is attractive therefore competition for Kelly.

      Currently all of the ladies are older so Kelly feels more secure.

    • Mary says:

      Kats2
      Yup, I like the way you think!

    • DarkSonnet says:

      I agree Kat, you are more accurate than you realize…

      This has been a life long pattern for Kelly, manifesting at an earlier age. Add her anger issues into this unpleasant mix and there can be some rather frightening situations.

      And adding chemical enhancements can really push it over the edge… Kelly is a big girl, with more masculine physical attributes than the average “model”.

    • klmh says:

      I think that’s just part of her affliction. She seems paranoid, and if someone has something, that means she doesn’t benefit from it. Im not saying she isn’t jealous, but I do see it as part of her disorder, disease, or personality disorder.

    • dsc60 says:

      Kelly herself said at the reunion that she’s not used to being around such – i’ve been trying to remember the exact word she used but it equated to dynamic – women referring to Alex, Bethenny, Sonya and Ramona. the funniest part is what does that say about Luann, Jill and now Cindy?

    • kitkat says:

      AGREE 100%!

  29. Adgirl says:

    I’ve classifying the women. Do you agree?

    Live byt their wits – Demonstrated business acumen, being cunning/clever or having common sense:
    Bethenny Frankel, Lisa Vanderpump, Adrienne Maloof, Kandi Burress, Ramona Singer, Alex McCord, Vicki Gulvason.

    Live by intimidating or manipulating family or friends (Frequently jealous):
    Teresa Giudice, Jill Zarin, Camille Grammar, Caroline Manzo, NeNe Leakes;

    Live by their looks / married into a position (Frequently jealous):
    LuAnn DeLesseps, Kelly Bensimon, Kim Z, Kyle Richards, Cynthia Bailey, Alexis Bellino, Peggy Tanous, Gretchen Rossi, Taylor Armstrong, Tamra Barney, Melissa Gorga, Sonja Morgan

    Outliers -Orbit around others.
    Cynthia Richards, Cindy Beavershop, Jeana Keough, Jacqueline Manzo

    • quincyil says:

      I agree. There is cross over in that all of them are excessive about their looks.

      • Happymouth says:

        Jill’s tweet
        illzarin Jill Zarin
        @SonjatMorgan are u in Hamptons? Come by??
        38 minutes ago

        • Adgirl says:

          Seriously Jill. Put down the twitter and pick up the phone. Stop including the world in your fake attempts to be “friends”.

          • Smompy says:

            Wow, Adgirl, YES that pretty much sums it up perfectly. Hadn’t ever thought of categorizing the ladies’ by their shared similarities this way before, but there it all is in black and white. Brilliant!

          • Furalis says:

            I agree and Sonja is probably at Ramona’s and Jill wasn’t invited.

    • Kats2 says:

      Great summary and I agree with all the categories you have everyone in.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I don’t like Cindy Barstop, but I’d put her in the first group and add Miss Phaedra Parks – and Jaq married into her position (lived by her looks).

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I agree although I think Camille might be closer to the living by her looks cat.

  30. Adgirl says:

    I forgot: Phaedra Parks – lives by her wits. Sheree Whitfield – lives by her looks. I’m sure I have amnesia about several others too.

  31. majnon says:

    Does anyone know how much these women get paid to be housewives on the shows?
    Some seem to need it alot more than others. And I will never forgive Kelly for scary island.

    • Super says:

      I’ve always wondered about that. I also wonder if there’s jealousy and competition amongst them based on how much each makes. I assume some make more than others…

      • PF says:

        I think they all make the same. It’s just the race to see who can get more airtime to make more with what they sell….but Bethenny has set the bar really high:)

    • PF says:

      I think I saw something last year about the NY HW’s getting a raise from 3k per episode to 10K per episode. And NJ gets paid $3333 per episode with no raises as they signed a 3 year contract for that amount. I think OC gets 10K per episode also. ATL gets 100k per season, I think. I’m not certain about Beverly Hills. I don’t think any one of those ladies need the money with the exception of Kim.

      Oh, and the Desperate Housewives? 400k per episode:)

      • majnon says:

        Thanks PF

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I disagree about the BH ladies not needing money, I think the bigger the house- the bigger the debt.

        The Malfoofs are in danger of loosing the Palms- and the Kings are hemorrhaging money. They want to move the team but I guess the County where the team currently is are trying to block it.

        Paul is a plastic surgeon and from what I heard most of the other pros in his field are also being hit by the recession because people don’t have the money for that stuff anymore.

        Maurico is in real estate – which is is really suffering in CA

        Lisa owns a restaurant, an industry that even in a strong economy can be a bad investment.

        Camille is divorced- most of her and Kelsey’s money was in real estate – on expensive properties that are probably upside down- in area’s with high tax. Kelsey isn’t making Fraiser money anymore…

        • PF says:

          You’re right. You have a good point. Caroline and Al were on Cavuto today talking about how the economy is hitting them and the Brownstone. I guess it doesn’t matter how much you make….the economy is hurting everyone.

      • dsc60 says:

        i could have sworn i read in here pretty recently that they made $500,000/season. i thought that sounded high. maybe i misread something, that’s always a possibility. i think quite a few could use the money – sonja, teresa and sheree to name a few.

        • Waslurking says:

          Who couldn’t use the money…….seriously?
          Whether they are willing to put their life on tv for
          it is the question, don’t you think?
          If some fool wanted to pay me that kind of cash
          for my very boring life…………..hmmmmmmm?
          I do have bills to pay, ya know.

  32. quincyil says:

    On the airplane Jill shared a saying by Bobby and the final line was very low class. When Bobby first was on the show, he was aloof. Now he and Jill could be twin fish mongers.

    I don’t like Jill Zarin so I should do what Jill? You can have all of the money in the world and still be without class.

    Q

    • majnon says:

      She does seem to use the f word alot. When I feel bad about myself, I do too. Then I try to remember what my mother told me that swearing just limits your vocabulary

      • Adgirl says:

        “Money can’t buy you klasssssssss….”

        • quincyil says:

          I was bored so I looked at the Bravo videos for NY previews. Sonja is upset. I think she knew that the news about the bankruptcy was going to come out while she was gone and she was embarassed. I can’t imagine the stress she was under and she was still trying to be a good sport. It makes me like Sonja so much.

          • Kats2 says:

            Which one? I know she gets upset at the fortune teller and makes Ramona’s situation a little worst.

            • housewifeaddict says:

              There was one with camel riding. She acted flustered, and Alex in a talking head commented that something was going on with her.

            • quincyil says:

              bravotv.com has a couple of previews. One is about the camel ride another is in the pool at a spa. I thought they were worth looking at.

          • PF says:

            Oh my gosh! I almost believed that Jill was being nice to Sonja offering to share her ride and then she just shows her true colors in her interview glad that she can use Sonja to take pics. She is a piece of work!

            And here we have LuAnn upset and making fun of the Blondes clothes we they first arrive….worried about showing too much skin. Alex walks up ALL clothed. Nothing showing and LuAnn makes fun of her? She can NOT say anything nice about anyone this season. She is so unhappy and mean!

    • PF says:

      I saw last weeks epi again and at one point she was calling someone classless….I’m like, look in a mirror Jill!

    • Waslurking says:

      That was kind of random Q.
      Posts out of order or are you bored? lol

  33. ForReality? says:

    I don’t like Gretchen or Alexis, but my dislike for Tamra and Vicki is stronger. I think one California based franchise is good enough. Especially when they have the fresh & more popular BH one. It probably won’t fizzle for another two seasons.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I’m sure there are interesting women in OC. I wonder why they’ve gone with the blonde bimbo big boob type so heavily. The lack of variety is boring.

    • Furalis says:

      You are probably right. Why have two in the state when BH is so much better and they are richer.

    • PF says:

      Gretchen and Alexis had some initial potential….but this season, it’s like what the heck? Gretchen thinks everyone’s fat and Alexis can’t put a sentence together.

      Tamara lost all my respect when she did the tub scene. You can’t come back from that. And Vicki should have left the show last year to save her marriage. I don’t think she needs the money, but I guess she didn’t want to give up the advertising for her ins company.

  34. housewifeaddict says:

    I know this is a little random, but I’m really tired of LuAnn being the fashion police. Every time she insults Ramona or Alex’s clothes, she insults a designer – and who is she to judge. Her besties – Jill, Cindy, and Kelly, have all worn things that are not to my taste at all, but she never comments on their attire. She needs to keep her nose out of everyone else’s business.

    Rant over.

    • lillybee says:

      Cindy’s wardrobe choices are just awful. I have a feeling that she maybe the most demanding one in Morocco.

    • PF says:

      I think LuAnn has every right to make fun of everyone’s fashion, especially while she is being strangled by that big turquoise butterfly around her neck….lol!

  35. Adgirl says:

    I want to say something about the eating habits of the ladies. Someone commented up thread about Kelly saying she only takes in 900 calories daily. Alexis recently said she eats around 700.
    WTF. I think they all have major body image problems. All of them. Bethenny is obviously obsessed with food and calories. We give her a pass because we think she actually eats (but does she?). Many of the women are extraordinarily thin and have breast implants (Kelly, Alexis, Peggy, Camille, Taylor, Bethenny and possibly Gretchen).
    Kim Z looks like she yo-yo’s. So does Kandi.
    I think Gretchen falls into the starving with chemical assistance category.

    Jeana has weight issues but clings to her Playboy past. Even on Thinervention Jeana mulishly refused to clear out her panty. Ramona is obsessed with her looks but seems healthy.
    LuAnn doesn’t share a lot of her personal care on camera but she apparently works out a lot and eats sparingly. Reportedly LuAnn smokes as much as Kim Z. Cindy Barshop … who cares.

    The BH group it’s hard to say. Adrienne is quite thin. Kyle stated she is a size 4 but over weight for LA standards. Her sister … who cares.

    NJ – does Melissa have implants? Teresa does and is usually very thin but she’s still heavier than season 1 since having her last child. I think she starves herself some.

    Jill Z and Caroline Manzo have embarked on major body reshaping .Has Jill had lipo or surgery? Caroline did say she’s had a lap band but is that all?

    It interests me because they are all extremely vain and insecure except overall; Alex & Lisa V seem the healthiest in both mind & body.

    • Kats2 says:

      I care about Kim, I still like her. Hope she’s back.

      I thin you’re right they all have issues, currently Taylor seems to be the worst.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      I’ve noticed that I never see any of these women eating carbs. I did see Bethenny eat a bagel once, but she scooped out the middle.

    • PF says:

      Alexis eats 700 calories? With all that exercise that she does?

      • quincyil says:

        It’s called exercise bulemia. She works off every calorie she eats. She is extremely thin.

        • Mary says:

          Gosh, I wish I had that will-power. Maybe I would if I had the pressure of the cameras and critics.

          • Kukulet says:

            Please be joking. Exercise bulimia is not simply a matter of will power. It’s an illness, and it’s dangerous.

            • quincyil says:

              When I started exericising, my family wanted me to be careful not to go overboard. When I was young I was the same size at Bethenny and height. That was way too thin for me. They look good on TV, but in the real world all of those women are too thin.

    • Nancy says:

      Adgirl,
      You forgot the #1 being “Taylor”.
      I think she has a CD problem. Big time.

      How’s your little one today?

    • Waslurking says:

      B is healthy……. I was petite too.
      I was 87 1bs 3 months preggers….. at 9 months 112.
      7/4 baby….
      3 days later in my old clothes. Everyone is diff!
      2nd child….. pretty much the same thing other than
      it took a couple weeks to get back to my old clothes.
      Metabolism…..

      • twoile says:

        @WASLURKING, U R so accurate it is metabolism + genes, activity, eating well etc……+ in someinstances luck of the draw:0)…..U R certainly blessed, take care, enjoy :0)

  36. Arya Stark says:

    Simon retweeted someone’s “why isn’t bravo publishing responses on RHNY” with “ASK.”

    Umm, hello!

    Everyone with a twitter? Please give it a try. Tweet the housewives THEMSELVES about this. If they hear it enough, perhaps we will get a better answer than Simon’s.

    • quincyil says:

      You inspired me to tweet @ andycohen and @ simon van kempent. LOL…

      I have a hard time coming up with tweets so thanks.

      Q

    • nic says:

      He actually said to Ask@Bravotv, which means to ask Bravo- they’re the one’s censoring. What would Simon know about it?

  37. Kats2 says:

    Who else is going to watch trashy Jersey? Someone tell me why I am?

    • boston02127 says:

      I am. I have nothing else to do. Teresa’s going to tell us about her cookbook and all it’s ingredients-siz-siz.

      • Kats2 says:

        HA! LOL

      • Nancy says:

        Wasn’t that funny. Did you see the 2 ladies cracking up after Tre left the room?

        If my husband was mad at me for not having sex with him the night before he’d be single real soon. (Mel Gibson tapes.)

    • VAGirl says:

      I’m watching. I know, I’m a glutton for punishment. Does anybody really believe the tarot card reader or whatever she’s called knows all that from being psychic?

      • NMhousewife says:

        the part that got me was when she outright asked jacqui what was going on with Teresa? To me, she could easily use that for someone else’s reading.

  38. Kats2 says:

    OMG did you see how that Ape sent that little girl to clean up the brothers mess?

    • boston02127 says:

      Did you see the HUGH glass bowl he was eating out of in his high chair? Who does that, I don’t even have kids and wouldn’t do that. I’d feed him out of a Cool Whip container before I’d do that.

  39. Rabble Rouser says:

    Joey Fidget is such a pig.

  40. boston02127 says:

    Do these ugg….idiots (housewives) ever think that just maybe the physic is watching the show each week.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Or has a DSL internet connection?

      I think I am going to reach out to these broads and be their psychic.

      It’s going to end badly for all of them.

  41. boston02127 says:

    Here comes Mom with the stripper pole.

  42. Kats2 says:

    Some recipes, that one visit to the studio and the book signings is all Teresa has had to do with that book.

  43. Smompy says:

    Maybe it’s just my imagination but the Jersey show is feeling WAY MORE scripted to me all of a sudden. Teresa’s ingredientzezez? Really? And she just happens to mention & mispronounce the one ingredientzezez that makes it sound like she’s talking about sex? What’s cummin? Even the way those two women looked at each other, shook their heads a little and then giggled for the camera…..it all looked rehearsed to me. I smell a rat and it’s probably not just Juicy’s odor.

    • VAGirl says:

      Yes it does feel more scripted. All the housewives shows do now.

      • Super says:

        That’s true. I mean, I think even some BEA scenes were set up. Like when Bethenny & Jason out of nowhere ran into the foodie (I forgot his name, sorry) The one Bethenny passed on to be her assistant. But it helped with the whole befriend a nerd storyline.

  44. Nancy says:

    I feel soo sorry for any woman that marry’s Caroline’s sons.

  45. Getagrip says:

    Told ya! Ashley’s got no-one even though there’s tons of people around…

  46. Kats2 says:

    OMG the excuses for that moron Ashley. She’s a lazy ass brat, who needs a good smack.

    • boston02127 says:

      Like….she has to wake up in the like morning. Like….and take the T to the like…city. Like…she doesn’t like…get paid. Like…she wants her like bills paid for her.

      I want to slap her.

    • Getagrip says:

      And you’re probably just the person to give it to her! Even gramps sees the problem. Ever been in a split family? I was and I’ve had lots of smacks deserved or not, never made me feel like anyone ever cared for me. I turned out ok but it’s been a hard road…

      • Kats2 says:

        Well I want to hug you but still smack Ashley

        • kotagirl29 says:

          My parents were divorced. They were better apart than they ever were together. Sorry, but divorce does not an asshole make. And that is what Ashley is. My son lives in both his Father’s and my home and he is just fine and knows that he is loved. More kids come from divorced families than from “normal” families. Being a spoiled brat is not a product of divorce it is a problem of parenting technique and SPOILING the child. My nephew, Leo and Terry’s son, is a spoiled, rotten brat. His parents have been together for 28 years and he is a jerk, because his Mother spoiled him.

          • Getagrip says:

            “Sorry, but divorce does not an asshole make.” No, but it sure can make you feel you have no place in the world. Parents overcompensate sometimes with material things to ease their guilt instead of giving just plain old affection, which is what’s needed. I’m guessing your parents did a better job with that and I’m sincere when I say I’m happy for you. Me, I had stuff but no affection and lots of hitting and yelling. PTSD was my gift. No poor me here, just pointing out that one never knows what’s really going on with people and their families.

            • kotagirl29 says:

              I’m sorry for what you went through. Believe me, my childhood was no bed of roses. My father beat the crap out of all of us on a regular basis (and I was engaged to a man for 7 years who did the same), abuse sucks. But that is not a by-product of divorce either. Abuse happens in families that stay together and abuse happens because some women can’t seem to break the cycle and get away from abusive men. But that has nothing to do with divorce.

              • Getagrip says:

                Didn’t mean to imply that divorce causes abuse; I was saying that divorce can make one feel unwanted. My mother was the abuser; unfortunately she got custody. My mother was abusive because she never felt loved because of her mother. On and on the cycle goes. Me? I never had children as I was afraid I’d emulate the same behavior I grew up with; wanted to break the chain. As far as relationships go I will find the person that will treat me exactly as the relationships I grew up with. Logically I can see the errors of my ways, emotionally I’m still that little girl. Blah, blah, blah…it’s just taken me 59 years to figure it out.

                • kotagirl29 says:

                  I think we will have to agree to disagree here. I don’t think it is about divorce, but about the parents and how they raise and treat their children. I just don’t think it has anything to do with whether or not the parents are married. Or if they ever were.

    • klmh says:

      I agree. She is the perfect asshole. I flip the channel when her ugly mug appears…

  47. Getagrip says:

    What a bunch of goombahs!

  48. Kats2 says:

    Sorry nice Ashley script but I’m not buying it. I don’t feel sorry for her at all.

  49. Smompy says:

    Suddenly I understand and heartily approve of all of Ashley’s laziness, sass talk, surliness and constant whining. It all makes perfect sense to me now. You people are awful for judging her so negatively. She comes from a broken home, mmmkay? Poor, poor Pobrecita!

  50. boston02127 says:

    Caroline has a bit of the “over does it Dina” decorating going on.

  51. boston02127 says:

    What a sweet kind comment to make to your wife.
    Joey—you’re a MILF.
    And she smiles!
    They’re the offical ghetto couple.

  52. boston02127 says:

    Ha ha ha….can you see Teresa wearing that cut out dress with nothing under it. I imagine hair and more hair coming out all the holes.

  53. Kats2 says:

    I’m loving Kathy and her husband/family

  54. Smompy says:

    Is Caroline getting initiated into Dykes on Bikes or something? What’s with this new look?

    • Kats2 says:

      Not a good look very scary lesbian

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      CarolineManJo at your service! She rides bikes, fixes cars and runs your life! She’s the man and Albert is the missus.

    • Nancy says:

      I thought the same thing. Remember Princess Diana had the same look.
      Didn’t like it on her as well.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      lol…
      Seriously, she is looking as ridiculous as Kim G on pole.

  55. Kats2 says:

    I want to see Caroline and Teresa go at each other. Pull hair, kick, punch

  56. Kats2 says:

    I missed have missed it, when did Big Caroline get her PhD?

  57. WindyCityWondering says:

    It would be more fun to just go to the zoo and watch the animals there.

  58. Kats2 says:

    He is soooo grooossssss

  59. Arya Stark says:

    OMG, this show is back to boring and annoying.

    How nice of Joey Gorda to compare having an orgasm with his wife to popping a zit.

    So hot.

    ugh…need a shower

    • Arya Stark says:

      Mickey Mouth?

      You paying attention? PAY ATTENTION!!!!!

      LOL, chop opportunity.

    • AZ Girl says:

      What a moron. That is so gross. Hey Melissa! you have some really cool husband…NOT. Garbage

    • Kats2 says:

      Boring? I’m a bit fascinated, you know similar to when you observe animals at a zoo.

  60. boston02127 says:

    Joe’s explanation of sex vs a zit.
    Excuse me while I go throw up.

  61. boston02127 says:

    Huh….T can read.

  62. Kats2 says:

    Teresa is so F-ing stupid!

  63. VAgirl says:

    It’s all Joey’s fault. Poor, poor Teresa. She didn’t do NOTHING wrong. Give up, Jaqueline, she doesn’t get it and never will.

  64. Kats2 says:

    Teresa is not living the life of someone who just filed for bankruptcy last year – SHE IS A CRIMINAL

    • Nancy says:

      I’m screaming the same thing. Shopping for designer clothes. Driving a new Mercedes SUV. I just don’t get it. Can they really be this stupid? But on the other hand nothing has ever stuck legally so why not?
      Just give me a gun already.

    • Furalis says:

      I know I couldn’t believe she was driving that SUV. I almost threw something through my TV. The lawyers for the bankruptcy case need to take a copy of the videos to court.
      Outrageous – That makes me sick to my stomach.

  65. Getagrip says:

    Tables shake with fear whenever Teresa and Joey come into a room.

  66. lillybee says:

    In completely unrelated news, Snooki was arrested in Italy after crashing into a police car. It was reported that no booze was involved.

    • Kats2 says:

      It’s all related, there is no difference. I’m Italian and I have no clue what’s going on with these people. My Grandparents would be sick. Thank god I was raised right and class was a big part of that.

  67. boston02127 says:

    Teresa and her brother look and act so much alike it’s starting to creep me out.

    • Kats2 says:

      It’s very creepy Boston and I won’t even go there but the mix of fighting with his sister and chasing his wife around for sex was really gross.

  68. A tweet from Jill:

    Jillzarin: Doesn’t Melissa and her husband look like brother and sister?

    • housewifeaddict says:

      In what universe is that a normal thing to say. Does she think all Italians look alike?

      I think Melissa is very pretty. She’s just married to a pig and puts up with it – so I question her judgement.

    • Mary says:

      Note to Jill: I think you and Ginger could be twins.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Doesn’t?

  69. Nancy says:

    The quote of the evening…(Teresa) “If more people were like me this world would be a better place.” I really don’t know how to respond to that. Anybody?

    • Whisper says:

      Like full of more illiterate criminals?

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Deep sigh. That one scene was gold though. If anyone was starting to feel sorry for her – that was the nail in the coffin. Although I’m certainly feeling the ick factor for Joey.

      Now Kathy and her hubs – good vibes. What a sweetheart hubs is.

      • Getagrip says:

        Kathy’s fam seems great so far; I hope it’s real, I like their vibes!

      • Super says:

        Really? I think he’s kind of creepy. And Kathy just doesn’t read real to me. She was worried about her first impression on Caroline. Who gives a flip.

        • Sparkles says:

          I agree. I couldn’t deal with Kathy’s husband slurping his soup. Yuck.

          They are adjusting quickly to being on the show: witness the expensive new car that they probably can’t afford.

    • TLM says:

      Thank God for Tre. Now we have recipes with less “ingrediences.”

  70. AZ Girl says:

    I am back from weekend vacation to see family. Slowly catching up. Hope everyone had a great Memorial Day weekend.

  71. WindyCityWondering says:

    So the Papa and the Mama are out of the country for Thanksgiving….guessing they didn’t want to spend it with either of their idiot animal children. Smart, very smart! And the Gorgon is going to give his wife credit for mending his relationship with his sistard….

  72. Smompy says:

    This is from Tre’s wiki bio:

    “She earned a degree from Berkeley College in Fashion Marketing and Management, after which she worked in the fashion industry in New York as a contributor to Vogue magazine. ”

    It’s odd she hasn’t mentioned her connection to Vogue on the show. I wonder what she would have contributed to a magazine such as Vogue. I’d always heard she worked at Macy’s before she was married. BTW for anyone who felt Tre was being insulted when she was referred to as a Guidette, please note that the name Teresa gave her own so-called fashion line is “TG Fabulicious Guidette.”

  73. Arya Stark says:

    Apparently, if anyone cares, some of the Jersey wives are posting at TWOP under different names. I just saw someone reported for saying that in the thread, but don’t want to wade through it. I think Melissa and Kim maybe?

    • Coffee says:

      The person was reported for saying that? That seems odd. Did they have proof or something that was offensive?

  74. Kats2 says:

    Jay Mohr’s take this week is a bit better – I think he crawled out of Caroline’s ass for bit.

    http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/season-3/blogs/jay-mohr/rehashing-and-hashing?page=0,0

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Hmm – so far he spelled weigh as way, and totally missed that Kathy was talking about a first impression with Caroline and not Teresa. Don’t people edit these things for them??

    • PF says:

      Joey and his poison cumin’……hilarious!

      • Coffee says:

        LOL. I laughed a lot reading that. I never noticed the not-blinking thing with Kathy. I’ll look for that next time I watch.

  75. Kats2 says:

    I’m loving Kathy’s blog – nothing about the show or her meeting with big Caroline. Caroline of course went on for a paragraph about it.

  76. AZ Girl says:

    O.K. I have been away so if this has already been discussed I apologize. I am watching NJ and both Melissa and Caroline are wearing “evil eye” necklaces. Melissa’s is much more ornate than Caroline. What is this about?

  77. Super says:

    Hm, I bet Kathy thought she could bring Caroline to her side, so that she could ultimately stick it to Teresa, despite saying she doesn’t need to win her over.

  78. PF says:

    I just finished watching RHONJ and Joey? Ewwwww………please, someone, make him stop. Why would you go on tv and put that out there for the world to see? Why would you talk like that in front of your kids?

    Teresa was a total basket case. She is not understanding being the bigger person. Her letter was great but in her interviews……”they are both stupid”! No, Teresa, you are…because they will now see you really didn’t mean what you said. And, ingredientses? Cumin’ ? It’s a good thing you weren’t helping Peggy and her husband pick out food for their guests.

    Caroline…..almost went off on Teresa. Does anyone think they will be fighting soon? I think even Caroline is getting tired of Teresa. And she has a very good point about Kathy in her blog. Why come to her and not her Aunt and cousin to apologize? She doesn’t even know Caroline. I know….she’s kissing up to the matriarch!

  79. Va says:

    Seriously, why are Rich and Joe Gorga doing the TH interviews? They might as well add them to the promo pics.

  80. fRoG says:

    I agree with Teresa here, I hate when there’s a lot of ingredientses. Sigh.

  81. Nancy says:

    Why are we still pretending Teresa wrote her own cookbook and Kelly’s Playboy shoot
    happened last year? It’s insulting.

  82. Waslurking says:

    No NJ chat? whaaaaaa!

    west coast here so NJ is just starting …. gotta say.
    Stripper pole for the boys………… LOL Damn right good aunt!
    LOL

  83. Adgirl says:

    @ Nancy – are you still here? I want ot thank you for your nice offer and inquiry about our doggie. She is doing fine. Amazing that after a heart attack (very rare for dogs) she is doing well. The meds really are helping. She does not have long life expectancy but we are very happy to spoil her during her last months with us. Thanks for asking. Pets are awesome – they live in “today” and are always glad to see you. It make coming home to them a pleasure.
    I hope your cat and other pets & family are doing well too.

    • Nancy says:

      Adgirl,
      I’m still here with one cat to my right and another to my left. I call them my little angles. If I let it my heart feels heavy about my dog, Emily as she
      is 17 now. She’s been my service dog all my life. So I know how you feel about your pet. CS Lewis once said “The amount you love in life will be the same amount of grief you will feel when that loved one is no longer here.
      Thats the deal.” I’m sure you and your husband will make his time here with love for your little “child”.

      • Nancy says:

        her life.

        • Adgirl says:

          Nancy, can you tell me about Emily – what is her function as a service dog? If I’m not prying too much.
          I love your attitude about your companions. They are gifts, aren’t they?

          • Nancy says:

            I have RSD (nerve problem) in both of my hands.
            She helps them not freeze up. She has been all over the world with us and we get to take her
            on board the airplane without a carrier. You can imagine the “eye rolls” I get. Then when we go through customs the officers start screaming at me with “Put that dog in it’s carrier.”!!!!! before I even get up to their window. I do get freaked out though when they bring in their
            Security dogs. I never know if Emily is on their menu that day!

            • Nancy says:

              Emily weighs 12 pounds.

            • Adgirl says:

              I love that story! You sound so happy with your family. I’m glad you travel with Emily!

              • Nancy says:

                Thanks Adgirl.
                Nighty night. Sweet dreams.
                I had a dream about Jill Zarin
                a few days ago. God was I happy when I woke up to realize it was only a dream.

  84. Waslurking says:

    It is very late…………. just want to mention how stupid it is to be fighting/not talking
    to your family ’cause you never know when you might lose them. Lost all of mine…
    grans, parents, and bro’s. NJ crap is just that………. crap!!

  85. TLM says:

    Ingrediences…. ingrediences…ingrediences!!! But don’t call Teresa stupid! It’s her brother and sister in law who are stupid, right?

    Unbelievable.

    • quincyil says:

      I am disturbed that Teresa is spending so much money. Her creditors must be going out of their minds watching her on TV. She does not consider Joe’s debts as her own debts, but was willing to spend his profits.

      After reading about Jacqueline’s husband’s business filing bankruptcy, I wonder where their money is coming from. How can they afford all of the things they have?

  86. boston02127 says:

    Good morning ☼

  87. boston02127 says:

    Real Housewives Of NYC’s Ramona Singer Jealous Of Bethenny FrankelReal Housewives Of NYC’s Ramona Singer Jealous Of Bethenny Frankel
    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/05/ramona-singer-jealous-bethenny-frankel-real-housewives-nyc

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      how long before rador gets sued
      they never use facts or actual sources
      they just make it up as they go along

      • quincyil says:

        I think the bar for a celebrity suit is high.

        Bethenny did say in WWHL that she did not know what was up with Ramona and that Mario has his hands full.

        I don’t think her behavior is based on the symptoms of menopause. I think she has always been like this. Avery told us in the first few episodes what mom was like.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          that doesnt mean she had it in for Bethenny and started the fued between B & Shrill if anything she was trying to get them to patch things up
          we all saw that

    • LynnNChicago says:

      That’s not “news” they’re all jealous of Bethenny lol

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      I dont think Kathy meant any harm in trying to smooth things out and Teresa’s short fuse really was out of whack here
      maybe teh family has accussed her of being a bad mom in the past and its a sore subject
      but truth be told she wasnt with the baby and it sure looked like no one else was

  88. boston02127 says:

    I’m sorry for this post so early in the morning. Jill’s tweet~~

    WWHL After Show Will Geist says out of all the Housewives I could be president! http://bravo.ly/iPpHWc

    Bwhahahahahahaha….president…ohh God, what’s next.

  89. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    Is Nene the only atlanta h/w on that summer of bravo ad or is that Kandi in the ad as well
    if its Kandi she is looking fierce!

  90. boston02127 says:

    Joe and Melissa nick named their daughter “the blocker” because she sleeps in their bed. She’s afraid of monsters. If I were Melissa, I’d be reading scary stories to her every afternoon just to keep him away from me.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      shes afraid of monsters but doesnt mind sleeping next to her dad ???? LOL

  91. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    well i finally caught up with all the current nj episodes and if i have to pick a team i think it would have to be Teresa,i mean really what did she do at that party that was so bad other then congratulate her brother and his wife
    had her brother Joey not been so drunk maybe things wouldnt have gone so wrong
    and if anyone is an trouble maker i think its Teresa’s hubby
    something major must have gone down between the two former friends maybe Joey caught Joe stepping out on his wife its gotta be something like that
    i dont believe its just about Joeys dad
    and speaking of parents no one seems to show the mom any kind of respect
    seeing her kids act this way has to be breaking her heart but what do we have Joey telling her she has a cold heart
    oh ps Joey we get your going bald but please enough with the hats at dinner

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