I Hate Jill Zarin Kelly’s Meltdown May 22 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin                   Kelly is a 13-year old girl    May 22, 2010

Well we’ve had a few days to digest Thursday’s episode and the number of blogs and articles are far too many to mention.  So many people are talking about Kelly and her behavior.  Is this exactly what Kelly wanted?  Remember her crazy PR101 rule?  She is getting plenty of publicity and according to her, good or bad it makes no difference as long as your name is out there.

Kelly is claiming that she is using her renewed notoriety to be more charitable.  This may sound a bit crazy (how ironic) but I do get what she’s saying.  If no one knows who you are, you certainly cannot collect huge amounts of money for charity.  If they do know your name, even if it is for a negative reason, you are more likely to get donations when you ask for them.   Will it work?  No, because that is not what Kelly is truly after with her notoriety, what Kelly wants is personal gain, more “gigs” and to be a superstar.  She thinks of herself as an “A” list celebrity and wants to prove it. 

Many people who have come under fire in the press or on TV for something that they’ve done, go into hiding, Kelly is more present than ever!  Her Twitter goes without a break.  (I do believe she is addicted to Twitter)  She is doing interviews about her behavior and the show.  She did do one interview with NYMag.com that was touted as Kelly’s side of the story, it told us nothing! 


Her overwhelming need to explain herself rather than just laying low and quiet is not how a mature 41 year old woman would act, it is how a 13 year old child would act. 

A comment on my previous blog said it best, Olivia talked about Kelly’s behavior toward Bethenny and it made it so clear that Kelly’s behavior is simply mean and hateful.  Kelly has hated Bethenny since they met.  If what Kelly is telling us is true, they first formally met at the charity meeting for Jill’s function.  Of course, we know Bethenny’s story about the two meeting a few other times at parties and Kelly completely ignoring Bethenny but doting on B’s boyfriend and Tommy Hilfiger.  This is the infamous charity meeting where Bethenny called Kelly “Madonna” and told her she comes from a place of “no”. 

I believe every word of Kelly focusing on the men and ignoring the women.  There have been too many claims of this behavior.  First it was Bethenny telling us about the Tommy Hilfiger party.  Luann talked about it at last year’s reunion, stating that Kelly not only ignored Luann at parties, but turned and walked in the other direction when she saw her.  Kelly didn’t even deny these reports, Kelly rather made excuses like maybe she was doing something else, or maybe she just didn’t want to talk to Luann.  Sonja had a similar story about meeting Kelly.   So we know that Kelly is not a “girl’s girl”. 

Why is her venom and hatred so focused on Bethenny?  Is it really?  We saw at the dinner Kelly treating Ramona in two completely different ways.  In the kitchen of the villa as Kelly was walking out to go workout, she gave Ramona a really nice compliment saying what a great person she was.  “and I know good people” Kelly said.  What was that about?  I believe it was more a slam at Bethenny than anything else but it also served the purpose of trying to get Ramona on her side.  Remember, Kelly is feeling like they’re all against her, like it is four against one. 

At the crazy dinner, when Ramona began to try to defend Bethenny for being on a vacation when her father had just passed away, Kelly didn’t want to hear it.  As Ramona started to tell the story of her going on a trip shortly after her own mother passed away, Kelly rudely cut her off and gave her the “close mouth” hand signal.  Surprisingly, Ramona did zip it!  (unless that was just clever editing) 

Ramona and Kelly got into it at Jill’s Kodak event, Ramona didn’t take that nonsense from Kelly that night, in fact, Ramona told Kelly to “shut up”.  Finally ending the conversation with, “I can’t talk to you, you have no brain”.  Kelly’s reaction after Ramona walked away was what interested me, she repeated what Ramona said but in a mocking sort of baby voice, sort of like a 13 year old would do. 

Kelly’s entire persona is that of a 13 year old girl, the gummy bears and lollypops, the cartwheels that are free and her lack of empathy.   I can also see a 13-year old girl being completely disgusted by people wanting to discuss their feelings.  Kelly thinks that is so old fashioned.  During the season 2 reunion, Kelly berated Bethenny for crying all the time.  Part of Kelly’s interview that Andy Cohen read during the reunion listed all of Kelly’s accomplishments and went on to say that she was real while Bethenny was not, extremely immature.    

Kelly’s use of the words, creepy, gross and like is very childish.  She uses the word “literally” incorrectly all the time.  She says she has nightmares that Bethenny is “literally” trying to kill her.  She accused Bethenny of trying to kill her several times. Kelly said that Bethenny was “going after” her little girls.  I have searched and searched and cannot find any interview or article where Bethenny goes after anyone’s children, or even Kelly herself for that matter.  Kelly overuses words like “amazing”. 

The fact that she is unaware of certain terminology and common knowledge sayings could also be compared to a 13-year old girl.  She didn’t understand stomping on grapes, eating crow or Bethenny’s impression of Jack Nicholson’s “You can’t handle the truth”.  There have been many similar situations over the course of the past two seasons with Kelly, she just doesn’t “get it”! 

Her reaction whenever sex or sexuality is mentioned is very childlike.   When Andy Cohen brought up Jill’s breast surgery at the 2nd season reunion, Kelly blushed and said, “Andy!”, and that wasn’t even directed toward her.  We all watched her call anyone who has a one-night stand a “ho-bag”.  It was directed toward Bethenny, even though Sonja brought up the subject and was clearly advocating the practice even told Kelly that she should try it.  Yet Bethenny is the one who got called a “ho-bag”.   Kelly’s behavior during the interview in the restaurant with the man writing the article for Playboy was also very similar to a young girl.  The way that she giggled, played with her hair and the ridiculous flirting was all very immature.  She acted the same way with Max last season.  Her discussion with Luann about dating and how they have to “do something” and not just go out to dinner even took Luann by surprise.  Kelly’s response to sex and any discussion of sexuality is always the same, embarrassed and uncomfortable, sort of like a 13-year old girl in a sex education class. 

Kelly talks like a 13-year old girl…hiiiiiiiiiiii  Byeeeeeeeeee   Yeahhhhhhhh  <gag>

Remember the Peta thing?  She can wear fur, no one can stop her, this is America and it’s her choice!  Her quote “Peta isn’t saying don’t wear fur, they are saying don’t abuse animals” was just about the most immature thing she’s ever said on the show!  I truly believe that none of the fur discussion with Kelly would have ever come up if Bethenny hadn’t done the Peta ad.  I mean, all of the NY women wear fur, they just don’t talk about it but Kelly felt the need to discuss it on camera. 

The way that Kelly constantly interrupted everyone at the dinner party, told everyone to “zip it” and the “white noise” rolling her eyes at every turn, saying the food wasn’t that good, name dropping and calling real celebrities her friends, again, the behavior of a 13-year old girl with a bad attitude.

The meeting that we saw of Kelly with her girls at dinner when Kelly wanted to discuss the Playboy issue with them was odd, to say the least.  I can understand one misunderstanding but there were a few that we saw when her one of her children said something and she didn’t understand what they were saying.  Her youngest said “you work hard for us.”  This is a nice compliment from a young child to her mother.  The fact that the child recognized that her mother works to give her children what they have shows  the child’s maturity.  Unfortunately, Kelly didn’t get it, she said, “I’m hard on you?”  When both girls corrected Kelly, she still said, “oh that’s nice!”.   Kelly was being sarcastic.  She just didn’t get it! 

She won’t let things go.  She is still bringing up the Madonna thing and the “place of no” thing.  This is extremely immature and something that we learn as we grow older that life is too short to keep bringing up the past.  On a few different occasions, Kelly said it is over, even spelling out O-V-E-R.  She continually says she doesn’t care, doesn’t care about anything!  She brings something up and when someone responds to her, she says she doesn’t care.  All very immature! 

When you think of “mean girls” typically that would be a group of teenaged girls who we all know have the reputation of having bad attitudes, immature behavior, absolutely no empathy, they typically pick on one or two of the other girls to the point of being vicious and cruel.   They can be rude and disrespectful and don’t care about any consequences for their actions.  I found it telling that Luann, in her blog, wrote that Kelly’s lack of empathy makes her a poor girl friend. 

When mean girls grow into women, hopefully they learn to be empathetic, are embarrassed by their behavior and become good, loving woman.  In Kelly’s case, maybe she wasn’t the mean girl, maybe she was the girl that all of the other girls picked on and berated.  Maybe Kelly was the target of the mean girls.  I have yet to see any article or blog or interview about Kelly’s childhood.  We know she has two parents and a twin brother.  She never talks about her family or growing up.  The only thing she ever says is that she is from the Midwest. 

So why does Kelly act like a 13-year old girl?  That is a question for a mind with more education than mine.  There are a lot of theories out there.  There are even people who are trained and educated in psychology who have theories.  There are twin theories, psychological illness theories, acting theories and even theories that she is doing all of this on purpose to get publicity. 

There is one that I heard that I found fascinating.  Anyone who is familiar with drug and alcohol addiction knows the theory that when the addict begins recovery, they will revert to the age in their mind of when they first began their addictive behavior.  In other words, if I am 20-years old and start taking and become addicted to drugs, then when I am 30, I go into rehab and get off the drugs.  My mind is like that of a 20-year old, even though I am 30 years old.  Maybe Kelly started to take drugs in her teen years and recently stopped?  Maybe she continues to take drugs and her immaturity is due to that? 

Clearly, I have no idea why Kelly behaves the way that she does.  Maybe no one knows, maybe Kelly doesn’t even know.  What I do see is a 41 year old woman acting like a teenager. 

Possibly Kelly sees Bethenny as the “lead mean girl”.


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1,104 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Kelly’s Meltdown May 22 2010

  1. Grace Charles says:

    Great observations Lynn. I agree that most of the time she acts 13, however, I went back and viewed the episode again. During the dinner Kelly was obviously high on something. She was unfocussed, no appetite, and she even slurred her words at times. The woman were talking about her craziness right in front of her and she just twirled her hair. When she spoke, she was incoherent, even while talking to Jill on the phone. She was weepy one moment and giddy the next. I’m also wondering about schizophrenia. If you listen closely, there is a moment when she mentions “hearing their voices”. That would also explain the “satchel of gold” comment that nobody can figure out why she said that. (I think she was responding to a voice in her head)

    I think the reunion show will be obviously subdued because the women will be afraid to set her off. I think Kelly will be very quiet, very medicated.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      All of those can be symptoms of a mental illness, too. I think schizophrenia is the most likely explanation, but remember that addiction and mental illness go hand in hand most of the time. Whether drug-induced or a function of bad brain chemistry, that was a legitimate, psychotic break and she’s showing no signs of having any more empathy or insight than she did on the show.

  2. Fabulous Earth says:

    Okay, I’ve been thinking this since a few episodes ago so I’m gonna just blurt it out here.

    Kelly’s behavior and actions are reminiscent of a sexual abuse victim. It could be possible that she suffered through some type of abuse (maybe around 1979?) and just never got the help to heal.

    Can I be real here? I totally, TOTALLY, felt her “unicorn” personality (been there and done that). I think there is a part of her that, like me, is happiest and more free in that state of mind. So I got it when she first started displaying it.

    I also get the incoherent ramblings and incomplete sentences to a certain extent. It’s hard to follow right? When someone refuses to deal with certain emotions and “feelings” we tend to revert back to that “happy place” (Oh come on you guyyyys, can’t we just stopppppp?!!! – that was me). So when we try to “defend” ourselves or express ourselves, it ends up at gobbally-gook (sp?).

    Now I’m no Kelly, but I totally got where she was coming from early on. This current behavior she’s displaying weighed on me a bit, but something didn’t seem right with her whole “work team” aka Bravo and castmates, etc. I think it’s a hoax to increase ratings. I think she is extremely jealous of Bethenny cuz B is someone who came from a dysfunctional family but has risen unscathed and is fully functional – ON HER OWN – meaning she is her own person, didn’t marry for money or a “father-figure” (Giles) and has attained a certain public status that Kelly has wanted. B hits a nerve in Kels and with Jill’s added “scandalation” her behavior has escalated.

    I think Kels may have fooled the Bravo folks into believing that it was all an act (a pro at making folks believe you’re really okay when you’re not – been there).

    Whew! Sorry for the rant but I’ve been DYING to get that off my chest for episodes now!!!! I’ve posted on the HW messageboard but never mentioned what I really thought about the sexual abuse. I think she screams these signs:
    the rant about a one night stand…
    not really having girlfriends but loving the attention of men…
    1979 and feelings…
    childlike behavior…
    ramblings and kid-like vernacular…

    I could go on, but I’ll stop here.

    I don’t think that Kels would EVER reveal that story if it’s true…jmo.

  3. Squirrels says:

    Great blog Lynn. Thanks for putting so many of our thoughts in a more cohesive presentation. I can’t help but keep going back to the drug issue. People who have personal issues they cannot control or work through often turn to drugs/alcohol in order to cope with their day to day situation. Bad relationships, stress at school or work, and a host of other issues contribute to people turning to substances in order to “feel” better.

    Once they cross the line of its no longer a short escape but part of their psyche, they may enter a new reality. This reality is not necessarily based on the “real” world, but an alternate universe whereby so long as one is under the influence, he/she can shut out everything that is wrong with the life they believe they were unjustifiably dealt.

    For me, Kelly’s most telling quote of the evening was, “In my defense, that’s what makes people crazyyyyyyy about me. You know why? Cause I don’t want to hear all the nonsense”.

    Her inability to see the situation (inappropriate, unsolicited behavior) for what it truly was, coupled with her deniability screams out DRUGS to me. Deny is what substance addicts do best.


    • natlou says:

      WOW! I am really late to this blog, my loss! Did anyone else read the article where Kelly says ( in reference to the former abused boyfriend ) that she likes to date men who look like her. What is creepy ( sorry for the Kellyism ) is that she has a twin brother.

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  5. iceNfire says:

    I can’t help thinking that Kelly’s behavior is somewhat new in her life. How else could it be explained that any man would ever marry her let alone father children with her.
    Another thing that’s been bothering me is that Kelly said “Bethenny sleeps all over America” Seems like she said it once and then it became “fact” so she said it again.
    Same thing with the channeling the devil comment. This time she HEARD it once and then it became (in Kelly’s case) literally a fact. lol

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I think that’s one of the phrases Kelly has heard someone else say and she just repeats it over and over. You’re right, they do become fact once she hears them because her thinking is so concrete.

  6. boston02127 says:

    Great post Lynn.

    I can’t believe the state of NY has not stepped in regarding her kids. For some reason I think that apartment she lives in is “her side of the house” to her ex-husbands.
    Most people that are divorced move away from one another.
    The kids must have some type of nanny or stay with him.
    She can’t even make pancakes. She’s on tweeter 24/7 and is seen out all the time.
    I have no clue how she could ever care for her girls.
    I can’t see her kids depending on her for anything.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I’ve been reading tons about her so I don’t remember what I read where, but apparently there are two nannies and an assistant that help Kelly, and the ex lives right downstairs.

  7. MAMAZ says:

    Lynn – At the beginning of the season Kelly seemed better disposed towards Bethenny. I think JZ has been encouraging what was dislike for Bethenny into full blown hatred. Her email when she found out Kelly had made peace with B was a thinly veiled threat to withdraw her friendship from Kelly. Kelly may not be the brightest girl in NYC but she saw how viscous Jill can be towards a former friend. I think she made a deliberate choice to stay on Jill’s good side since Bethenny was leaving the show anyway and she thinks she needs Jill’s support to stay on RHONY. And of course she is also jealous of B’s success: the new show, her marriage , baby and the Skinnygirl line of products. Her crying about the gift bag was bitter frustration. Her owl jewelry line ended in a lawsuit, her engagement with an arrest for assualt. And NBC is not picking up Beach Lane which she supposedly had a guest spot in the pilot. I don’t know if she is mentally ill but I would say substance abuse either now or in the past is almost a certainty. I don’t believe Jill actually sent Kelly to spy or disrupt the trip but I think she probably enjoyed hearing firsthand of all that went on. We know she loves the gawwsip. Her lack of concern for Kelly comes as no surprise. It must have been so hard for Bethenny to make that call given all that has happened. But Jill already knew Kelly was wigging out as she had been in contact with her throughout the trip. But she doesn’t truly care about Kelly, she was only a means to an end. And now that Jill has decided to court Bethenny again instead of destroying her she no longer needs the monster she helped create. Just one more reason that I Hate Jill Zarin!

  8. hooked on housewives says:

    Another great blog Lynn. You are moving so fast it’s getting hard to keep up with you. LOL.

    IMO. Had Bethenny not said a word for the entire trip, the results would have been the same. In her blog Bethenny takes some responsibility for things that happened. I would have to respectfully disagree with B. I think she was amazing holding herself in check as long as she did.

    Another poster wrote in the previous blog that she thinks Kelly is just practicing PR101 (paraphrasing). As hard as I’ll get jumped for this I’m going to step out on a limb and say………could be. Kellamity is like a method actor. She has to get herself all worked up to do a good job. I think she did a very good job of portraying a lunatic. So what say you Bravo/Andy Cohen. Does your lunatic know how to bring the drama or what?

    • Annie1033 says:

      I completely agree with you and was thinking the same thing throughout. Bethenny could’ve just sat there, like a lump the entire time and Kelly would have found something to pick on and relentlessly so!
      And I agree that Bethenny conducted herself like a champ….WHILE PREGNANT!!! Now, I don’t know about ya’ll but when I was pregnant…before miscarrying years ago, that pregnancy-anger is POWERFUL, POTENT STUFF. Lord help ANYONE who provoked it in me! So for Beth to behave as well as she did…? Well, that’s simply incredible, sorry.

    • Annie1033 says:

      Oh, except for the “PR 101” thing, Hooked On…. LOL….. 😉
      That’s the ONE thing I disagree on. I think that Kelly is simply mentally ill AND possible HAD a drug habit that arrested her development. Kelly is, regardless of ANYTHING else that we could all debate on, simply STUPID. Not just “not bright” but STUPID. And I just don’t think that she could or would for that matter come up with behavior like that. I just don’t.

  9. Squirrels says:

    To Earth – Well said. I don’t exclude sexual abuse from her past and potentially the root cause here. Not in the least. Particularly the seeking out the attention of men but rejecting/avoiding women. That said, I still think it is at this point a drug addict who is trying like hell to not get caught.

  10. A former Jill fan says:

    Granted that Kelly sees Bethenny as the lead mean girl, but Bethenny hasn’t really done anything to Kelly to warrant the obsessive hatred and attacks. That’s either Kelly’s delusion or her lies. I would say only Kelly and God know for sure, but in Kelly’s case, that may be only God.

  11. char212 says:

    It bothers me that Kelly feels that all the publicity she’s getting now as a good thing. She tweeted with excitement that she’s #5 on Yahoo search. It just blows my mind that she isn’t apologizing to the women and especially to Romona for ruining everything. It blows my mind that she feels like she was the one that was ganged up on and actually believes it. Because she feels and thinks like she does makes me even more certain that she is mentally unstable. You and I would be so embarrassed and humiliated and ashamed of ourselves if we behaved the way she did and yet she feels justified. I really hope she isn’t on the show next season. It’s not healthy for her or the other women on the show.

    If I were Bethanny I would stay as far away from Kelly as I could because I think she could be dangerous. Bethanny is definitely Kelly’s target and hates her and would love nothing more then to ruin her if she could. She only attacked the other women on the trip because they didn’t join her in her attacks on B. And remember she even said to them “support me here” once during the show and because they didn’t she turned on them. I’m sure she would have loved nothing more if they all joined her in her attacks on B. Yes, she acts like a 13 year old child but it’s more then that. For her sake and the sake of her daughter’s I hope when the season ends that it will be the last we see of Kelly.

    • Squirrels says:

      You and I would be so embarrassed and humiliated and ashamed of ourselves if we behaved the way she did and yet she feels justified.

      As I recall, she said she was ashamed of her behavior just last week. She got some good blog press for that on the Bravho site, but alot of negative stuff, too. I imagine in her mind she felt she needed to take another tactic. Victimhood was next up on the agenda of media spin.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        True, she claimed on her “official” Bravo blog to be embarassed, but in none of her other communication (twitter, interviews) does she ever talk about being embarassed. Just excuse after excuse and none of it is her fault! (the new media spin you mentioned)
        IMO Had she left the Bravo blog and cut off all further communication, she may have been able to salvage her dignity just a little bit.

    • iwannabeanarchy says:

      I agree with you. It bothers me too that she is making lemonade out of lemons in a way here by seeing all of the press written about her as a good thing. It’s like she is validating her bad behavior. That’s what annoys me about JZ too, and Teresa from NJ. It’s like they are children that should be ignored, so that we don’t “encourage” their bad behavior.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      Her inability to understand the consequences of her behavior is called “lack of insight” in clinical terms. It goes hand in hand with her lack of empathy.

  12. Squirrels says:

    sorry char, i meant to put your line in quotes.

  13. RileyKitty says:

    great blog Lynn, as usual! I personally love reading everyone’s observations on why Kelly is cuckoo. I, myself, don’t want to even try to come up with a theory. I think she is a nasty, vile person. Her problems could stem from a variety of things, drug issues, mental health issues, sex abuse, etc. Most of us have had our lives touched by similar issues whether they be ourselves, friends or family & we don’t go around treating people the way Kelly does.

    • Squirrels says:

      I agree Riley Kitty, and this is the precise point. Kelly is not above anyone else who has experienced trauma in their life. It’s no excuse for her behavior.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I think what fascinates me is figuring out where the illness begins and the shallow, shitty personality ends.

    • Annie1033 says:

      Oh you guys! How I missed you!! 😉
      Seriously RileyKitty, you took the words RIGHT out of my mouth! I posted a similar rant a few times about this.
      I think I’m 2 for 3 on those “issues” and uh, as far as I know I am generally well liked and considered very nice/very pleasant to be around and am in a long-term relationship….haven’t been arrested for BEATING HIM. And we’re even trying to have a baby! And so far, no one has run into the room while I’m, ahem, trying to conceive screaming “NO GOD NOOOOOO!!! FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST YOU CAN NOT BE TRUSTED WITH A CHILD!!!!! STOP THAT SPERM!!!”
      Sorry…phew….I think I’m over sharing again. But it’s true. And on my past “issues” it was me who took responsibility for them and it was me who sought out treatment.
      In the last blog’s comments on the old site, Karen posted some insight about mental illness which I thought was extremely sensitive and astute. Quite touching and profound, I thought, actually.
      But I would really hope that IF Kelly was that mentally ill, that someone in her life would have intervened at this point. Because if that’s the case, then maybe she really CAN’T be held responsible! I think though, at this point, she might have a minor illness that CAN be controlled but that her predominant illness stems from being STUPID and CRUEL.

  14. mia says:

    I’m assuming if Kelly does indeed have a history with drugs she was off them at least during her pregnancies. Her daughters seem quite normal and healthy.

    I also don’t think she’s acting. It that was an act, she is an amazingly talented and subtle artist.

  15. The Digger says:

    I am still floored and in shock from watching that episode. Watching someone with a mental illness meltdown on tv is not fun. It was sad. At least when Ruthie on the Real World Hawaii had a meltdown from her alcoholism they instantly removed her from the show and put her directly into rehab. Bravo does not seem to have any morals or values about how to deal when reality and life or death situations need an intervention. It does not appear that Kelly was even referred for mental health treatment as she came back home and went about her la la la cartwheel twitter life as if nothing happened. She is still in her fantasy land trying to convince us she was real, everyone else is not and that it was all one giant act she was putting on for the cameras. She actually believes this. This is part of her mental illness. Here’s hoping someone – ANYONE – steps in and assists this mentally ill, deeply troubled woman to find some real long term help.

    Kelly obviously has some sort of rapid cycling personality disorder and her paranoia is very disturbing. Vampires? Knives on tongues? Making the sign of the cross? She is nice one minute and then on attack the next. Rapid cycling. And she gets violent. That is the scary part.

    You can feel Jill’s ugly little fingerprints all over Kelly’s meltdown. I am sure the entire time Kelly that was texting Jill from the island Jill was feeding her stuff to say and telling Kelly things that set Kelly and her meltdown into motion. Jill honey, and Cuntess, you didn’t do your homework vet your new BFF too well… You failed to stop, observe, and see if she was mentally up to the mission you sent her on. There is a reason she has comprehension issues. You were so quick to put her on your “team” for your use. Blame yourselves. You are both up to your neck in this island nightmare.

    That preview on Bravo where they show Kelly after she returned home at a lunch with the Cuntess and Jill, Kelly is telling them it was horrible, 4 against one, check out Jill as she asks, “Like what?” Jill, as usual is looking for a blow by blow replay being the queen gossip monger that she is. She needs her gossip, she needs to feed her hate bank with info on these people. Don’t worry yourself, Jill, that this woman just basically had a mental breakdown on this trip, you just continue to use people for what you need. God I hate that woman. Hate.

    Seeing Jill in that skating outfit from 1982 that she probably bought used from Tanya Harding on Ebay was the highlight of the show. Add to that Nicolai Morozov screaming at her to get the hell off the ice. You all know how I feel from my post a few blogs ago about Jill going out there and endangering the Olympic hopefuls.

    That bonus clip where Bobby is buying that stupid bitch Jill a watch for her birthday. She talks about being cheated because her birthday and wedding anniversary are so close so she gets these combo gifts. Cheated. What a total fucked up little spoiled nasty ass bitch. Vapid.

    Hate Jill Zarin. Hate. 5 minutes of seeing her and it just presses my hate button.

    Funny how she is down at her Mommy’s house this week hiding out. Mommy can’t make this all better, Jillypoo. Grow up Jill, you made this bed of broken glass, now lie in it.

    • kayceebee says:

      Hi Digger,
      I completely agree with what you wrote. And when you brought up the clip when Bobby bought Jill a watch, it reminded me of something from an earlier season (the first season, I think). Do you remember when it was Jill’s birthday, and Bobby bought her a fancy new SUV, and she acted like a total bitch because she couldn’t figure out how her Ipod or some other gadget hooked up to it? She was like, “I’m not happy, Bawbee!” and was just going off on the poor guy. This was back in the day when I actually kind of liked Jill, so I remember thinking, “wow, what a bitchy thing to do”. And I think she continued to say that Bawbee wasn’t off the hook–the car was being leased, so he still owed her a real present or something like that (in addition to the handbag she bought which was $15K). She’s gross and has no soul. The most evil person on any of the housewives shows, maybe the most disgusting person on any reality show I’ve ever seen.
      Thanks for your insight!!!
      kayceebee (formerly kay-bee on the hub pages).

      • katlg says:

        I so totaly agree with both of these posts………..Anyone think Vicky from the OC is loving this?

  16. Squirrels says:

    BTW… JIll had to practice spins in order to present at an event? OH puhleeeezzzz.

  17. Quincy IL says:

    I had a 13 year old daughter once and knew her friends at that time but they were responsible Human being with excellent language skills.

    Someone wondered why Gilles would marry and have children with Kelly, she can be charming with men. She sparkles and is like a firecracker. Plus, Gilles was old and Kelly was young. Dangerous combination.

    The title of that RHNY was, “Sun, Sand and Psychosis.”

    Psychosis – Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaPsychosis (from the Greek ψυχή “psyche”, for mind/soul, and -ωσις “-osis”, for abnormal condition) means abnormal condition of the mind.

    I don’t know if the producers would tell us about drug use by cast members. They hide the fact that Luann smokes (her voice.) Maybe, they would hide this too.

  18. Squirrels says:

    Another reason to hate Jill Zarin – After she tells Loo Loo about the phone calls from Kelly, then brushes it off, she switches gears and it’s once again, all about meeeeeeeeeee !!!

  19. iwannabeanarchy says:

    I’m leaning more towards the substance abuse theory as an explanation for Kelly’s bizarre behavior. If we look at her behavior as a whole, including what we saw last season (the “I’m up here, you’re down there” spiel, assaulting the BF, referring to a young girl’s arthritis as “cute,” running in the streets of Manhattan for exercise, not remembering key events i.e. the “I’m up here, you’re down there” incident), plus what we have seen this season, particularly the past few episodes – to me this points to drug use. None of her behavior makes any sense, and she seems to perpetually confused. An internet search of Kelly Bensimon yields articles dating back to her debut last season, many of which are filled with speculation of drug use to explain her odd behavior.

    In terms of her hatred towards Bethenny – this seems to be have been going on even before they were on the show together. Remember that Bethenny said they had met numerous times before and Kelly would never acknowledge her? She alleged that she even flirted with Bethenny’s boyfriend at the time right in front of her. There is clearly a long-term jealousy (jillousy) issue here.

  20. SunshineNYC says:

    I’m not sure Kelly is just trapped in a 13 year old’s mind. I get it and agree with so much of it, but her behavior is clinically disturbing! Lord have mercy, I felt like I was either in a psych ward or on meth trip watching that episode! I really was leaning toward paranoid schizophrenia for a few days, and still am. Delusions, everyone’s out to get her, confused thoughts/speech, etc. From what I understand, it can be either episodic or chronic.. hence Kelly’s episode. But I can’t altogether exclude drugs either. Someone posted on twitter that a common side effect of meth or cocaine is to crave sweet things (gummy bears, lollipops) to keep the mouth from tightening up. Imagine the combination of both! Well, I guess we don’t have to imagine b/c we saw it firsthand for ourselves in Kelly.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      The total lack of insight and empathy, plus her false and grandiose view of herself, lead me to think paranoid schizophrenic, too.

  21. Ann marie says:

    Excellent . I too had the same thoughts regarding the “child” Kelly is. Further, she married an older man, she falls to pieces when she’s with a man. She found it creepy that BobbyZarin would look at her playboy nude photos but doesn’t mind that her dad, brother, uncles etc.. Would be viewing the photos as well. I don’t see it as a drug problem. Don’t forget she claims to be healthy unless it’s jelly beans. She seems to only want to “play” when she’s around people. She is stuck at a point in her life when your allowed to be frivolious only now when she held accountable she lashes out. She was in the press last year for striking a man and for stealing jewlelry designs. Also something little girls do. I believe she has daddy issues big time! Question is, why?

  22. The Digger says:

    From another blog, it is just too good:

    posted by plmyshkin:
    I’m willing to bet that if they go back to that mansion, it won’t be there. And then they’ll go to a microfilm machine and see the last time any house was there was 150 years ago, when a woman killed her entire family and then burned the house down.

  23. HD says:

    iceNFire, that video is HILARIOUS! I wish someone would make one with longer clips of all the dumb things that Kelly says! LOL! That was funny! I loved how they kept showing Bethanny looking like, WTF!

    In this week’s episode, Alex’s face is PRICELESS! She really looks completely lost on Kely unraveling.

    Only a fool, such as Kelly, would think this is great PR. People think she is crazy and she thinks people are searching for her in the press and whatnot because they really like her or something! Noooooooooooo you are NUTS and we want to keep reading about just how NUTS you are! If this is fame, they can keep it!

    • austin1963 says:

      Actually, more than anything else, Alex’s face during Kellamity’s total breakdown at the dinner party makes me think it really happened (as opposed to being a ratings scheme scripted by Bravo). Bethenny, Sonja, and Ramona, too, but Alex’s face especially. She’d have to be a hell of an actress to have been faking the utter horror of Kelly at that moment.

      • HD says:

        I completely agree. Alex could not make that face up. I mean the entire night she is looking like, “WTF, is this really happening”. Her face tells the whole story! That was not fake, I don’t care how Bravo or Kelly try to spin this, everyone could see she lost it that day.

        When it comes to the reunion show she will spin that whole night but we all saw her lose it.

        • The Digger says:

          Alex’s face showed total terror. She was truly afraid. This was all real. I am not buying any bullshit about this being some act by Kelly or made for tv acting. Not buying.

      • hooked on housewives says:

        I totally agree. Alex’s face spoke volumes.

        • Just a Commoner says:

          So did Bethenny’s after she left the room (this was at breakfast) and she was fighting back tears. If it was fake, she would have cried. But Bethenny is not one to cry at the drop of a hat so it seemed like a big deal for her to show that she was upset at this particular moment. I don’t think she could have–or would have—faked that.

      • Fabulous Earth says:

        I agree, the other women were truly thrown for a loop (no pun intended). I don’t think they were aware at that time. What I’m saying is that either Bravo is convinced Kels was putting it on thick for the cameras and are cool with it or they knew at the time that it was all for ratings.

        The reason I feel this way is because if they felt something was truly wrong with Kels, I don’t think they would have flavored this episode they way they did (i.e. the title of Sand, Sun and Psychosis, saying it’ll be “cool” at the reunion, or even the episode summaries). They would get a backlash so big that it would hurt all of the Housewives brand because if they felt that she was truly unstable, they could NOT predict what would happen in her state that apparently was elevated by being on the show.

        I smell a hoax, that’s all I’m sayin’.

        • The Digger says:

          If it is a hoax then Kelly should receive an Academy Award for that performance and all those acting lessons with Max will turn out to be a good investment! She might have Andy convinced it was a fabricated/made for tv drama and not a mental health or drug usage issue. Me, I not buying that. I don’t think she is that good of an actress. OK let’s wait and see on this one!

          • MorgaineSwann says:

            I agree – if that was acting, she belongs in Hollywood. I’ve been around people in mental breakdowns and that is what they look like. She was not acting, she was imploding.

  24. Adgirl says:

    Among the sexual line here … the whole “What are you guys going to TONGUE?” was completely out of left field and smacked of having too many unwanted sexual thoughts. Does Kelly find all sex dirty and gross?
    Also, Kelly’s discomfort of the sexual freedom suggested by Sonja (whom she likes and can’t think of as having nasty sexual impulses) was weird. Kelly immediately transfers the sex nastiness to Bethenny and away from Sonja.


    • Just a Commoner says:

      It also smacks of Kelly seeing sexuality where it doesn’t exist and would be inappropriate. Which I guess is what you’re saying but from a different angle. If she had been sexually abused, she would be more likely to assume that others are behaving inappropriately, I think.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      She certainly doesn’t seem to understand normal sexual boundaries, does she?

  25. Grace says:

    Ok, I just watched it again, 3rd time! Ahhh
    Anyway, I’m still pretty sure she’s on drugs, but I can’t disregard schizophrenia. At one point, she said “don’t you think I can hear the chatter?” and she kept referring to white noise. Schizophrenics hear constant chatter (as anyone who has worked or lived in a big city will tell you, the homeless that are mentally ill walk around listening to and responding to constant chatter in their head). They also refer to the chatter as white noise.
    I guess we will never really know what is wrong with her, i just hope someone steps in to get her help.

  26. Squirrels says:

    One further observation. When ever Kelly is confronted to the point she’s painted into a corner? That’s when she excuses herself. Ex: Sonya, who Kelly is trying desperately to get onto her side, asks the $64M question.

    “Proof of evidence. Did she do it? How do you know she did it”?

    Kelly by this time is already halfway through her , “I”m going to excuse myself like an adult….” spiel. Classic substance abuser, I can’t get caught here, so I’ll run like hell because I don’t know what to say to get out of this. It was the polite way to say “fuck you all”. I’ll grant her that, but suspect she realized the cameras were on her and if she got caught in BS? Not good for the sKellyton brand. BTW, she looked completely hammered by that part of the scene. (and I don’t mean it was alcohol, I just don’t know).

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      A disheveled appearance, wild eyes and slurred speech can be caused by mental illness as well as drugs.

  27. Squirrels says:

    One further observation. When ever Kelly is confronted to the point she’s painted into a corner? That’s when she excuses herself. Ex: Sonya, who Kelly is trying desperately to get onto her side, asks the $64M question.

    “Proof of evidence. Did she do it? How do you know she did it”?

    Kelly by this time is already halfway through her , “I”m going to excuse myself like an adult….” spiel. Classic substance abuser, I can’t get caught here, so I’ll run like hell because I don’t know what to say to get out of this. It was the polite way to say “f you all”. I’ll grant her that, but suspect she realized the cameras were on her and if she got caught in BS? Not good for the sKellyton brand. BTW, she looked completely hammered by that part of the scene. (and I don’t mean it was alcohol, I just don’t know).

  28. HD says:

    Not sure if anyone posted this video yet…

    • austin1963 says:

      OMG, is she stooooopid, or what?

      Does she really think a “nice guy” is going to get a “better sense” of who she is this season of RHoNY and actually want to be with her????

      Does she really think that being green (which is “amazingly glamorous”, btw) is buying a Williams Sonoma rug and not having her stereo on and having antique furniture at her beach house?

      Does she really think that people in the midwest don’t go to spas?

      Uggghhhh. . . couldn’t even finish watching it.

  29. Squirrels says:

    ok, after the first post which included an explative, i got this….

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    I reposted it without the uck but it still seems the orig made it to press. I’m confuzzled.

  30. I Can't Stand The Toxicity says:

    Kelly is claiming that she is in the top 5 for searches. I just saw the list for the top 20 searches on Yahoo and Kelly’s name is nowhere to be found. I don’t know where she is getting her information from.


  31. Quincy IL says:

    Why Bethenny? Why did Kelly go after Bethenny? Both Luann and Jill give Kelly jabs all of the time. Luann went after Kelly in the reunion. Jill was so mad because Kelly was late for that event.

    Kelly did switch Sonja’s comments to Bethenny. Hmmmmmmmmmm..

    Also, did you see the preview. Kelly states that Bethenny admitted harming Kelly’s kids. Absolutely false. We were all there to witness that this did not happen.

    Gilles Bensimon is a very quiet guy, isn’t he?

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      The only place that happened is in Kelly’s sick mind. She is obsessed with Bethenny and it has something to do with her having a guy Kelly wanted or something to that effect. Whatever the basis, every success Bethenny has is just salt in Kelly’s imaginary wounds. She’s not safe for Bethenny to be around.

  32. HD says:

    She is such a damn liar!

  33. Adgirl says:

    Good catch on Gilles. Aren’t we all very curious about what he’s making of all this????

  34. emt2 says:


    I just glanced at Kelly’s twitter and she so strange. She tweets with the housewives of new jersey and thanks them for their support and for being good friends and understanding that she was being bullied by four women.

    NONE of the housewives, even Teresa in her Bravo blog and People blog, said any of those things. They said that they thought she was crazy and that the trip was very dramatic. This does not= Kelly you were justified in your behavior.

    She is learning a lot from Jill I see–recruiting people to be on her team, distracting people from her sins by emphasizing the charity work she is doing, getting a tattoo and rescuing a stray dog.

    I’ve been saying all along that Kelly should leave the show and we as viewers should not let her get away with thinking that she is loved and has a lot of fans.

    I mean, she tweeted today that if 10,000 people befriended her on twitter, that she would donate 1,000 to a charity in the name of the 30,000th twitterer. This is something Jill would do. Meanwhile, B has like 300,000 followers. and Kelly is trying to increase her following.

    Reading articles about Kelly that span a few years back to the present, it’s clear that she is a complete narcissist and embellishes or lies about everything. She has no real identity and that’s why after her divorce for Gilles, she created this whimsical “character” who loves cartwheels and lollipops. When she was an editor at Elle Accessories, no one liked her and was happy that she was fired after her divorce from Gilles was finalized. Gilles in the Creative Director of Elle Magazine, btw.

    I agree with Lynn when she says that Kelly is immature but I think she is very calculating and delusional. My issue is that she is unstable and violent. We must not forget that domestic abuse case because it’s been kind of played down.

    Also, she and Max were students at an acting class together last year and that’s where they met. It was an agreement that he would be her pretend boyfriend so that he got exposure and she got airtime.

    Kelly is insecure for so many reasons. Gilles is a renowned photographer and he got her all of the gigs she had while they were married. He cheated on her A LOT and that obviously made her feel insecure. His new girlfriend is the granddaughter of Picasso and is a well known art historian.

    Gilles had been married to supermodel Elle McPherson whose career as a model was much more prominent than Kelly’s. Kelly doesn’t really have an identity and is shallow and inarticulate. There is a reason why she always shows up late and leaves after 5 minutes of exchanging superficial pleasantries like “Hiiiiiiiii and Byeeeee.” She tries to speak in riddles and be mysterious but the reality is that she has nothing to offer.

    Let’s get her OFF the show. She’s completely replaceable.

  35. Squirrels says:

    to I Can’t Stand The Toxicity – it appears Pee Wee Herman is on the list though. Go figure.

  36. NMhousewife says:

    I don’t know if Kelly has a drug issue or a mental issue (leaning towards emotional), but after watching the Youtube video right above (HD link), I see how she is able to hide what ever her real issue is. Not that I think she speaks well with all that…”amazing…like…to be honest with you…honestly” crap that constantly comes out in every conversation, but she is able to answer the interviewer questions appropriately. I couldn’t watch the entire thing, because the way she talks is like fingers on a chalkboard, but I watched the majority and I can see how she gets away with her behavior. Like I said, she is able to answer questions correctly, doesn’t sound crazy, just sounds like an immature woman who does not act her age. I can imagine how ridiculous it is going to look and sound in 10 years time.

  37. Adios Lunatic says:

    I was just checking the Bravo comments and noticed this on The Dish……….doesn’t it strike you all as a little odd???


    • MorgaineSwann says:

      Thanks for posting this. I told them Kelly is sick and needs help and that they should take her off the show. I also said she shouldn’t be at the reunion. They won’t post it, I’m sure.

      Take it as BRAVO giving us a chance to tell them what we want and let them know what y’all think!

  38. char212 says:

    @emt I did see tweets from Jackie and Dina where they said they’ve only met Kelly a couple times but thought she was nice and that she was nice to them. She wouldl be nice to them though because she doesn’t see them as a threat to her like she does B. Teresa in her blog though thought something was wrong with Kelly.

  39. Adios Lunatic says:

    You know how Andy has his Jackhole of the Week on WWHL? Well, I just sent him this for next week. What do you want to bet it will never see the light of day on his WWHL blog?

    For Jackhole of the Week — Bravo for broadcasting footage of a disturbed woman’s mental slide off into the abyss. I sincerely hope Kelly got help. Don’t get me wrong, I can’t stand her and think the show would be much better off without her and Jill Zarin, but that was just way, way, way over the line.

  40. Quincy IL says:

    Ramona did speak about Kelly on some of the promotional shows. Didn’t she say that she talks to Kelly as if she was a child? Anyone remember this? It fits with Lynn’s theory.

  41. iceNfire says:

    Am I missing something? Are we not to laugh at Kelly anymore? Well sorry, I don’t know if she’s mentally ill, sexually abused, or drug dependent. But IMO she is an idiot.
    Just saying.
    “Haters are part of the ecosystem,” she adds. “And if they’re not hating on you, you’re not doing something right.”

    • The Digger says:

      I personally have problems snarking on someone who has real mental problems or a drug issue. It would be different if Bravo didn’t show her melting down these past two weeks but Bravo crossed the reality line showing someone with really serious problems was a reality check for me. If they would have just continued showing her as some idiot without a brain making random bizarre statements that that would be a different story. Now that I know her real story she is not fun entertainment now. It’s not fun to snark on her anymore. That is just me. But hating on Jill, no problems with that!! 🙂

      • MorgaineSwann says:

        I have mixed feelings about it – on one hand, I truly believe she’s mentally ill. On the other hand, she’s also shallow, vain, stupid and mean. She’s sick but she’s also not nice at all.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      No, don’t get me wrong, laugh away…she’s a total nutjob! I just wanted to point out how such a huge hunk of her behavior is so like a young girl, and the many theories behind why…please you know I want to hear it all! 🙂

    • 212 says:

      ……“Haters are part of the ecosystem,”……

      She nailed that part of it. Just saying…

    • 212 says:

      My reply intended for iceNfire, posted under LynnNChicago’s comment.

  42. AnnoyingJill says:

    EMT2: Your post was expressed very well, but Bravo will not take us seriously if we keep pushing for all the housewives that we hate to be fired from the show. Our mission is to get rid of Jill. If we start writing to the powers that be and start another petition about removing Kelly, they will laugh it off. Kelly is an idiot, but Jill probably fed her even more negativity about B. Jill knows how much Kelly hates her and egged her on. During the phone call, Jill didn’t fueled her fire by telling her she shouldn’t have gone on the trip and to stay away from B as if she was going to do something to her. The proper thing to do would be to reassure her and encourage her to have fun, but evil Jill loved the fact that Kelly was so needy and miserable. Kelly is an immature airhead with anger issues. I can’t stand her either but she isn’t as vicious and calculating as Jill. Jill is the worst and should be fired. Of course Kelly could be replaced by they are all replaceable. Look how Sonja glided right in. If Jennifer Gilbert is given more of a chance she would be a fine replacement as someone to hate.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I agree 100%, while we are discussing Kelly due to her display, I still think Jill is the one that has got to go! Bravo is most likely to get rid of Kelly in any case, we need to convince Bravo that we really do hate Jill and will watch only if Jill is gone!

  43. AnnoyingJill says:

    … and another thing. I’m sick of the way Andy Cohen defends Jill. When SJP said she’s afraid of Jill, Andy said “Oh she’s a Jewish mother at heart.” Jill doesn’t have a heart.

    • Adios Lunatic says:

      Andy is pissing me off big time! And let me list the reasons:

      1. Softball questions get softball answers — grow a pair (or borrow Bethenny’s) and ask a real question and then make them respond instead of deflect or talk about what they are selling or who they know.
      2. His show is getting better ratings than other shows (Lopez/Handler) because of the craziness of the last few episodes.
      3. He really thinks he is far cuter than he actually is.
      4. He is Exec Producer of RHONY and knows what happened on that trip and clearly there is an issue with on of “his team.” Instead of saying anything that evoked concern over what people witnessed he laughed it off on WWHL.
      5. He’s subjected us to Jill Zarin for FAR TOO LONG!!!

  44. Lila says:

    Kelly is certainly getting the attention! Going back over the past two episodes we can see both were all about Kelly- her bizarre behavior and the other women’s reaction to her. On the blogs and twitter, we’re all talking about Kelly, rehashing what she said, what she did, what could be wrong with her, etc. If she was going for screen time with her acting out, she sure succeeded. And you are so right about her emotional age and lack of maturity- talk about arrested development!

  45. Kat says:

    I’m not sure Kelly has a personality disorder, but I do think she has a disordered personality and that she could not hide that fact during the “vacation”. Whatever her coping mechanisms may be (fleeing, avoidance, denial, or drugs) they failed her. I hope she gets help.

    • Kat says:

      I think Bethenney is the only one who had a clue until this episode.

    • Adios Lunatic says:

      Kat — I think they looked at her like we did until these episodes aired — just a narcissistic woman who said dumb things. Bethenny deserved every I told you so she finally got to say because they all saw it that night.

  46. iceNfire says:

    AnnoyingJill – I agree and If Jill thinks this whole “Crazy Kelly” thing is going to save her she’s very wrong. While the other ladies may have reason to go lightly on Kelly during the reunion, they have no reason to do so with Jill. Even if Bethenny is not physically/emotionally/hormonally able to go all out with her one liners and such, Ramona is always ready to go.
    Oh God, even if Bethenny is not up to par that’s not going to stop Kelly. Talk about nightmares! If Kelly goes after Bethenny we may very well see the “murder of Kelly”
    but not by Bethenny hands.

  47. RileyKitty says:

    @iceNfire- I am with you, Kelly is an idiot & I am going to continue to make fun of her until I read she actually has a diagnosis of mental illness.

  48. Squirrels says:

    At some point I’m going to SCREAM John Malcovich !!!!

  49. boston02127 says:

    Last week on the Bravo blog Kelly wrote: “learn from me”
    (not that we could ever learn anything from the air head)

    Now this week she’s all bells and sparkle laughing about herself on the show.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      She has decided that it’s best to try and laugh it off, not understanding how people are actually seeing what happened. She should apologize and then shut up for a while, but nobody is telling her that.

  50. Jennifer says:

    New issue of Life And Style has RHONYC before they were famous article with pics….everyone looks same but young except Jill ….. She obviously had a nose job Has she admited this before ? It is possible she has and I’ve never read about it

  51. Squirrels says:

    Boston.. This has already been rehashed. Kelly says…Kelly does… Kelly has no clue. Now invite me to a Southie bar…. or to what was once upon a time, the Ratskeller in Allston… then we can talk. : )

  52. RileyKitty says:

    It just boggles the mind that Jill thinks she will be welcomed to USVI with open arms. She hasn’t talked to Ramona &/ or Alex since the pantry party at Jen’s, she is barely a blip on Sonja’s radar & we know she hasn’t talked to Bethenny so who exactly does she think missed her?

    Not to mention to just show up on a vaca you declined is incredibly rude. It is one thing if she showed up strictly to check on Kelly after Bethenny called her but it doesn’t appear to be the case at all.

  53. The Digger says:

    The moral of the story:
    Be very careful who you travel with on boat trips and to trips to a small, isolated islands.
    Been there, done that. Nothing worse than being trapped with people who turn out to be a rude surprise as there is no escape…

  54. Adios Lunatic says:

    I posted this on the Zip It blog so for those of you that have seen already you can skip.

    Did anyone see the new issue of People this week? Jill must be losing it big time. Not only is Bethenny on the COVER, but she has a two page spread. Oh, but Jill is also in the same issue of People for her dinner with Lynn Spears (WTF kind of advice could those two be sharing???) but her article is tiny, tiny, tiny and if you aren’t paying attention you won’t even see it — it’s maybe a 1/6 of a page.

    Oh the irony…………….

    • hooked on housewives says:

      I love irony. LOL. Tastes just like chicken.

    • Just a Commoner says:

      Yep. Saw it, bought it, love it. Bryn is such a little cutie! And Bethenny looks great, doesn’t she?

      Lynne Spears looks like a hag and Jill doesn’t look much better.

  55. Squirrels says:

    riley, her conversation re: won’t Ramona love me for showing up? Even Loo Loo told her, call in advance. But noooo. Just my arriving on scene should be enough . OOOpppps

  56. Squirrels says:


  57. hooked on housewives says:

    As long as it is called a nervous breakdown, a psychotic episode, etc., Kellamity will be handled with kid gloves. But if we call it an over the top tantrum by an immature woman who has probably always used her charms and wiles to get her way, we can bash the crap out of her. Sorry folks. Let the bashing begin and if it is decided that Kellamity is truly sick we can always bash Jillousy. No harm. No foul.

    I have worked with women like (not as bad) Kelly. One in particular. She was married but when she wanted a raise, a new company car, a ride home she knew how to turn on the little girl charm. The men in upper management loved her. She was very pretty with super long hair. This woman was pals with the more plain women but she didn’t care for the other pretty women. She could drink like a fish when it was women only. But when the men were invited one drink made her “wild”. Sitting on laps, kissing men, going off to dark areas with men, accusing the women of not liking her, etc. She came on to one of the older salesmen (rubbing, touching) and he thought she really meant it. The man started bringing her gifts, stopping by her desk, asking her out, etc. She couldn’t control the situation. She reported this salesman to upper management as a stalker. He was fired. I only make the comparison because one of her favorite tactics after she had been spoken to about her behavior was to cry to upper management that she was “scared” of the person doing the complaining/reporting. Her behavior was no where near as over the top as Kelly but she had perfected the same little girl act. With women they give lip service. With the men it’s all girly, swirly, curly. Karma is a bitch. She was ultimately let go because of her public behavior with a superior. The man involved was transferred.

    I personally believe because Bethenny saw right through the BS and called Kellamity out several times, the die was cast. Kellamity cannot outdo Bethenny in anything. She knows this. So she will continue to try and beat Bethenny down any way she can.

    Oh crap. Was this a rant? Nah. Just Sharon being Sharon.

    • HD says:

      I noticed that little girl act as well. And I am sure it has worked for her for years. Men love to deal with a damsel in distress and Kelly plays right into that. Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, byyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeee….every time I hear her say that I want to punch my TV. It is like she is 13 years old and she turns on that charm for men and I am sure they give her whatever she wants.

  58. DarkSonnet says:

    Did anyone else think that Bawby looked less than comfortable at the jewelers? In previous episodes, he usually has a smile and seems relaxed, going along with the flow that is Jill. The “make you happy later” comment was just low class and rude.

    If Bawby decided, after the end of this season, that he didn’t think Jill being on this show was a good idea and asked her to step down do you think she would even consider it?

    • Just a Commoner says:

      No, I think she would bully Bawby into letting her stay on the show. She’s very manipulative and knows how to get what she wants.

    • HD says:

      I noticed that myself. I was thinking the economy has collasped so much that they may not have the cashflow that they once had. On something I saw, he said they sold fabric to restruants and hotels and the like and imagine how many of them have went under. I am certain their business has been highly affected by the recession. YET, Jill being Jill wants to act as if they are part of the uber-rich society in NYC and buys a stupid watch that I am certain she does not need. A watch? Come on. In this time of technological advances, I look on my cell phone whenever I want to check the time. Just sayin’… 🙂

    • Olivia says:

      Bobby is the image of the emasculated man. He has learned his place this that shrew. Just keep the bucks flowing and all will be well in Zarin world.

      From previous episodes it appears that neither Bobby or Ally have actually “bonded” even though they have lived together for the past 8-9 years. He is a man in his 60’s and has raised several children from another marriage but my guess would be that Jill is totally and completely in charge of just about anything that transpires in their lives. Would she listen to him? I doubt it. As we have seen, this is always all about her and he probably spends most of his time at the store just to get away from that loudmouth.

      My guess is that Jill will insist on having her mother next to her on the reunion show thus preventing any real outbursts from the others. Because we all know how “helpful” Gloria’s wisdom and advice are in promoting “happy thoughts”. Yech!!!

    • iwannabeanarchy says:

      I completely agree with you. He looked humiliated when she made that comment about making him feel something good later if he bought the jewelry, as he should. It seems like he only bought the watch though, as she showed it off in the interview segment of the clip. You know she would have been flashing the jewelry too if he had bought it. I guess he didn’t care to “feel something good later.”

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I think she thought at least she’d have Kelly on her side, but Kelly was already gone.

  59. Squirrels says:

    Jill Zarin quote, “I told her not to go either without us.”
    Ok. Kelly is losing it and all Jill can say is I told you so, with the expressed wish of I’m so
    important you should not have left your loft without me,.. chew…chew….gulp.

  60. Squirrels says:

    I sooooo want jill phone #

  61. RileyKitty says:

    LMAO Squirrels, she had basically just told Ramona that she (Ramona) wasn’t a good friend to her over the Bethenny’s dad dying text message debacle.

    I think the thing that drives me the craziest about Jill is her saying something in total drama queen fashion (you know what, Bethenny, we are done!) & the next day doing a complete flip flop (she didn’t call me- upon finding out Beth is pregnant. Why would she.. you are done!!! UGH!!)

    The one thing I am hoping is Bobby gets a clue on why no one wants Jill there or can stand her anymore.

    • Jennifer says:

      I agree ….. The back and forth BS from her ( and Kelly) is the most annoying thing and one of the reasons I hate her too

      I hope the ‘real’ plp in her life seeing it too

  62. boston02127 says:

    @DarkSonnet~~good ?. I’d have to say no because I think Jill wears the pants
    in that family. I also think Bobby would be afraid to ask.

  63. iceNfire says:

    I HATE JILL Did anyone see the Bravo preview titled “Watch Shopping”? Bobby takes Jill shopping for her birthday and she wants everything the jeweler shows her and while bobby is negotiating a price Jill has the nerve to say she’s getting “SCREWED” because her birthday, anniversary, and the holidays are so close together. No surprise the video is rated 1 star.

    • iceNfire says:

      sorry a little behind here

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      If I were Bobby and I had to pay that much for “it” I’d find someone younger, sweeter and more grateful. I’ll be surprised if Bobby doesn’t trade up soon.

      • TLM says:

        I finally saw this clip from the Chopard store I saw being referenced that apparently slipped under my radar. Being raised during the “women’s lib” generation (although JZ is just a few years older than me), I internally cringe at the notion of women who are “kept.” Even though JZ says she does marketing for Zarin Fabric, she essentially is a kept woman. Of course I don’t have an issue with husbands buying gifts for their wives. But do you hear the way Jill talks about her shopping? “Bobby told me I could get this….Bobby said he would buy me that.” It’s like a little girl asking for permission from her daddy, or asking for an allowance of money to spend. That was my mother’s generation. It wasn’t supposed to be ours. It rankles me.

        The other aspect to this is that the more Jill amasses in jewelry gifts, the more money that is hers free & clear in the event of a divorce. A friend of my cousin’s wanted to be married, and married a man with a lot of money even though she did not love him. She was forced to sign a prenup because of this guy’s wealth. Her attorney’s advice to her: always ask for expensive jewelry for presents. That way, if he left her, she could sell it and probably have a few million to live on. It is sad that in 2010, women are still bargaining with their husbands and promising sex in exchange for money. I could not believe that JZ explicitly told women to do this in her book, if the quotes I read were accurate. But it certainly sounds like the way she lives her life. I don’t claim that the Zarin marriage is a loveless one. But I have to ask myself (and so must Bobby) what would happen if all the money disappeared tomorrow.

        I have not always agreed with Ramona, and her outbursts here and there have infuriated me at times. But I respect the fact that she and Mario are true equals, and that she has raised her daughter to believe that she should always make her own money and be self-sufficient. I sincerely doubt that Jill has expressed that to Ally. I sense that Jill’s wish is for Ally to get into college so she can meet a rich guy or med student and then get married and not work. I am sure she’s given Ally a copy of “the book”, for handing down this “advice” is what the book is all about. I hope Ally is watching Auntie Bethenny and and Auntie Ramona and deciding to follow their lead rather than Mom’s.

  64. boston02127 says:

    Did anyone read Mario’s blog on Bravo? He wrote that Jill and LuMan thought that if the two of them didn’t go on the trip to the VI that the trip would not take place
    without them.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      Yeah, I loved that. They weren’t as central to the show as they thought they were.

  65. Jenni says:

    This is funny

  66. boston02127 says:

    I just read some of Kelly’s tweets. She’s tweeting to Teresa in NJ. You’d wonder why Teresa wants to associtate with Kelly. I think she’s just as dumb as Kelly. Well
    maybe a close second.

    One question for Teresa: Would you let Kelly babysit your kids?

    • Olivia says:

      Since her kids behave much like Kelly I see no danger in that proposition! Those little monsters and Kelly are pretty much in the same age bracket.

    • TLM says:

      Yes, KB is a twisted mess of a human being. But Teresa is no prize either. Put her together with her steroid-laced, mobbed up, no-neck, dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks husband, and I fear for those kids almost more than I do Kelly’s. At least the Bensimon children have their father.

      I noticed that Genius “Juicy Joe” as T has called him, did not stop at calling Gia “ugly” in that scene in the car. He also told her she “looked retarded.” So now we can add “retard” and “retarded” to the list of “I am 12” Joe’s pleasantries, including “this is so gay” and “gaylord.” Add in Teresa’s brainless “He’s just teasing” comments, and I want to call child protective services for these girls. Teresa, you’ll recall, also didn’t think it was a big deal that Steroid Joe cracked up his car driving drunk recently, saying, “It’s a shame no one can have one drink [and drive] anymore…everybody does it.” Hey Teresa – what if someone drunk had been driving and smashed into the car with you, Joe, Gia and your unborn child riding in it? Would you be so lighthearted about it then? No, probably not, because you, your baby, daughter and husband would likely all be DEAD.

      Teresa came out of the gate this season with a foul mouth on the blogs and attacking this person and that one as a guest blogger. She even had the nerve to refer to Jason as “knocking up Bethenny within 6 months of meeting her” when these were 2 committed adults who were trying to get pregnant because of her age. It is obvious Teresa realized she needed to cool it because she was getting very negative reactions on the boards to her comments, mostly from viewers who had thought she was a dumb airhead but who at least had had being nice going for her. Teresa wrongly thought her table flip from last season was something people respected her for rather than ridiculed her for, and obviously she thought she should play up this angle and become more sharp-tongued this season. You can see that after reality set in, now she’s much more reserved and polite in her blogs about others. God knows, we wouldn’t want to hurt the sales of “the book”! And there are always Gia’s bubbies to save up for for her 16th birthday, so she can marry a nice Jewish man and make him 180 jars of red sauce to store in her own onyx sarcophagus/banquet facility house.

      It is obvious with her cookbook and new attitude, Teresa thought she could become New Jersey’s Bethenny. Except that she is less articulate than Kelly, about as sharp as an old butter knife, and has as much class as a brick. Nice try, Teresa. I saw a quote from her wonderful cookbook, Skanky Italian, that says you should use olive oil “every freakin’ day.” Lovely, Teresa. Just lovely.

  67. boston02127 says:

    @ Jenni ~~ That vid was sooooooo funny!

  68. Olivia says:

    Kelly has just hit one whole week of nonstop Twittering! One whole week.

    Seems to me that she is not spending an awful lot of quality time with those girls if she has the time to spend sending out nonsense for a solid 7 days with little interruption. She went to the gym. Whoop dee do dang doo!

    I still don’t have a firm handle on her as yet. Nuttier than a fruitcake or just a major drama queen with little commonsense? Or perhaps someone imitating Danielle from NJHousewives in order to qualify for a re-up. Puzzling since her behavior that we are watching is 8 months old and she still seems goofy overall.

    • HD says:

      Girl if he’s smart her ex probably came upstairs and snatched his damn kids! I sure would have. LOL!

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      There is, at the very least, a very real mental illness going on with her. Trust me. I’ve seen people when they do intake at mental hospitals. I know a real breakdown when I see one. That was not acting.

  69. Jenni says:

    @Boston and Commoner- I find the video a bit symbolic of the last episode as well…

  70. Squirrels says:

    Bawwwwby !!!! Please cut off everyone I know !!!!! No no, I mean…. cut everyone who’s been mean….. NO no… I didn’t mean Ally’s admissions ghost. Let me grab my notes…..dammit….

  71. boston02127 says:

    Can’t wait to see how lightening fast Jill distance herself from her bff Kelly.

  72. Squirrels says:

    Boston…. a “New York Minute” comes to mind

  73. Olivia says:

    Apparently Kelly news is all over the internet since last week. Only the coverage is not complimentary so it is difficult to understand why she is so excited to be #5 on Google.

    I have to give Jill credit for having the biggest set of b*lls ever. Believing that her presence in St. John is going to “uplift” the cast rival’s an elephant in that department. And dragging her husband who has none is just frosting on the cake. When he presented her with the car that was not good enough because her iPod did not fit the receiver would have been enough for me to stick the iPod, along with the car, up her fat tush and let her walk home in the bargain!

    This woman is worse than insufferable. She is a horror show. Hanging up from Bethenny with “have a nice day” then turning to that other horror Lu Ann and announcing that Bethenny “scared” her while Lu Ann uttered the same is beyond vile. Anything to destroy Bethenny has been her primary objective from the first showing on Season 3 when they “sailed” around LI with Ramona. The campaign was on, she enlisted her “friends” and all hell broke loose.

    Nothing would please me more than to see her shoved off this show along with Kelly and Lu Ann for reasons they have created all on their own. Pretentious twits.

    • TLM says:

      Is it any surprise Jill would reject a new car because it didn’t have a place for her iPhone, when her mother Gloria rejected about 4 luxury cars in the Hamptons because, I don’t know, she didn’t like the seats or the color and couldn’t bear to sit in them for maybe the 10 minutes she was in town being driven to and from the airport?? Bobby take her to a car rental place to find another car. Next to Kelly’s freak-a-thon last week, I think this was the most bizarre thing I ever saw on the show. Yet it was completely glossed over and never talked about by Andy C or anyone else. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, folks.

  74. Jenni says:

    Bethenny touches on events of Season 3, next season, and talks a liittle about Kelly “Bensomeone” and getting ice skating outfits to do some skating…

    Watch LuAnne and Jill while Kelly is talking:

    Ya’ll, if you only watch one, make it this one:

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I can’t wait to see how people treat Kelly now that they’ve seen she did really have a breakdown.

    • hooked on housewives says:

      In the third video when Jillousy is aked if the “get a hobby” quote was what really ended her and Bethenny’s friendship. Jillousy replied, well it wasn’t the words, it was the meaning behind the words. She then brushes her sleeve and says, like Bethenny meant get off me, leave me alone. My problem with this is Bethenny says what she means. She doesn’t pussyfoot around. If Bethenny wanted to say get off me, leave me alone, f*ck off I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t have said “get a hobby” she would have said get off me, leave me alone or f*ck off.

      But wait. I forgot. Jillousy along with all her other fabulous attributes is also clairvoyant.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      Jill sure did make an ass of herself! If Kelly is fine like she says here, then she has to go too. Still placing the blame on the other ladies.

      These “ladies” have already seen all the episodes up until Kelly’s breakdown, so none of them seem sorry or contrite about their behavior.

      • Jennifer says:

        I wonder if Kelly feels differently after seeing Jill talk about her having a breakdown next episode ……That’s why watching Jill pisses me off so much She is such a talker/liar behind plps backs

  75. Beckett says:

    Great blog, Lynn. I have been trying to catch up on all the comments for, like, (heh) days. Still haven’t so I hope I don’t repeat too much of what has already been said. I completely agree that Kelly acts like a 13 yr. old most of the time. Why she behaves that way we may never know. It may be the result of some childhood trauma or it may be simply because it works for her. Maybe her constant harassment of Bethenny (brought on by B calling her on her previous bad behavior) is just attention seeking, vile behavior. Maybe her outburst at dinner was just vile behavior taken to the extreme. Is it possible that she took herself beyond what she could handle, like a small child having a tantrum and finally calming down and crying? I’m sure she was uncomfortable with that group having no one, as she saw it, “on her side”. She couldn’t just leave – her usual MO – and she didn’t have anyone there to help her form complete, coherent sentences. And, as others have pointed out, there were no men there to bolster her ego or divert her attention from the other women. Please don’t think I am defending her, she makes my skin crawl. I get the feeling that Kelly is one of those people who think wherever they go everyone is fixated on them. A normal person in an uncomfortable situation will sit quietly and do the best they can. I don’t think Kelly’s ego, as huge as it is, will allow her to do that. Many of us are thinking her behavior was insane. Is a man who beats his wife insane? Kelly verbally beat up everyone at that dinner in the villa and then blamed them. A man who abuses his wife will often blame her. Is there a meaningful psychological difference? There is, obviously, a big literal difference. If Kelly is bonkers or on drugs, why isn’t she causing trouble elsewhere? Making a scene at a party or getting thrown out of restaurants? These things would make the news. I was about to go on when I realized how long this rant is getting. Sorry

    • Squirrels says:

      I appreciate all viewpoints. Your viewpoint is no exception. Still, it may take me some time to digest and respond. No diss. You brought up points so succinct. I’m no rhode scholar. My Kumbaya degree may have to do for now.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I see what you’re saying, but I’m sure that was a real breakdown. She has had problems elsewhere – she was charged with assault. She doesn’t stay at any function long enough to cause a problem.

      • Beckett says:

        I’m not saying that there isn’t a real possibility that Kelly has mental problems or is taking drugs. I was just thinking out loud, I guess you could say. I don’t have any friends who watch the show so I’m bouncing ideas here. Guess I need new friends. Boo Hoo

  76. Squirrels says:

    I think Jill SHOULD change her tickets. My hope is her new destination has a major coup in the midst of her travel plans. Arrest her for being pretentious.

  77. error 404 says:

    When are people going to stop talking about Kelly being either crazy or a bitch, like they are mutually exclusive. Hello! She’s a crazy bitch.

    Think about it. If she actually was having delusions of B trying to kill her, and she was anywhere near as “real” or “nice” as she claims to be, she’d avoid B and stick to her room. Instead, she spent the entire trip getting all up in B’s grill and provoking a confrontation. Who antagonizes their killer? A bitch.

    Yes, that night on “scary island” was pretty OTT, but if she really was having a psychotic break, they would have called 911. Instead, Kelly snapped out of it by daybreak, and went back to her usual bitchy unrepentant cool self. She actually gloated in her talking head scene about calling B a ho-bag. By comparison, B felt bad about calling Lulu a snake. She didn’t pretend she and Lulu are friends, but she did express regret at lashing out. Kelly was proud and smug she called another woman a whore. Can can repeat it 100 times a day if she wants, but she’s not even on the same planet as nice.

    Excusing Kelly’s behavior because of mental illness, is an insult to mentally ill people.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I don’t think being sick excuses her behavior, particularly since she’s not taking responsibility for it. Being sick is not her fault, but pretending nothing is wrong is all on her.

    • boston02127 says:

      @ error 404 ~~~ Well said.

  78. Squirrels says:

    Yikes 404. Quite a theory, but not without merit. The more I hang out here, the more I learn… or hope to learn… or hope to learn.

  79. RileyKitty says:

    @Jenni- I noticed in the TVGuide vid. Jill said Authentic & LuLu said gross. Now we know where Kelly learned her words for this season. LOL Absolute Gem!!

    • boston02127 says:

      @ RileyKitty ~~ I noticed that too! I think I threw up a little in my mouth.

  80. Squirrels says:

    The beauty of this blog/site is the ability to put forth thoughts/ determinations; then listen and actually hear what others have to say. I can say for myself, I’m no wonder woman. I and I do believe many others are so willing to be cued in to hearing others’ opinions. I doubt we are all cast in stone. The availability of other opinions is precious and frankly should all make us say…. hmmmmm. Think it over, determine your own beliefs. Listen to others. Live, learn. I’ll now get off my soapbox.

    Thanks 404

  81. error 404 says:

    OMG I found it! Bethenny DID say she was going to kill Kelly! It’s right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CT7_JSFHoM&feature=related

    You just know Kelly is the type to never wait for the people to exit first! lol

    • Beckett says:

      Thanks 404. Everyone should also watch the vid after that one – Bethenny-isms. It’s hilarious! Too bad we didn’t see that Bethenny this season.

    • Dani says:

      In this video Bethenny doesn’t say that she wants to kill Kelly!!!!!

  82. Grace says:

    Anyone notice how quiet Jill has been? She’s More than happy to shut up because Kellys breakdown has taken the heat off Jill’s bad behavior.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      I don’t think it’s taken the heat off of Jill at all. Nobody can forget her bad behavior ruining this season and now what kind of a “friend” to Kelly she is. She’s getting as many if not more negative comments everywhere.

  83. RileyKitty says:

    The 3rd Video posted, the must-see: Addressed the breakdown & Jill & LuLu are there feeding into Kelly’s delusion that she was attacked. Crazy-town, they can’t distance themselves from Kelly now. No amount of blog back pedalling by Jill & LuAnn can change that they knew she flipped out & still went on talk shows to promote the show with her like they are all bffs. Jill even said that she talked to Kelly when she came home from the trip. They are all vile as far as I am concerned.

    • RileyKitty says:

      I was referring to the vids Jenni posted. I meant to put that in my comment but apparently I was typing faster than I was thinking 🙂

  84. error 404 says:

    I am waiting for pre-RHONY Kelly stuff to come out, because please, you know that dinner “breakthrough” was just one of many similar altercations… just as all of the Jill off camera stuff came out once her on camera rep went south, so too will this storm wash up many a wreckage from Kelly’s past.

  85. emt2 says:

    @char212 :
    This is how Jacqueline reacted to Kelly:

    What? Do you really feel like Betheeny is trying to kill you @kiklet? Like KILL you,kill you? http://bit.ly/bravotv #realhousewives 7:48 PM May 20th via Bravo Talk Bubble

    She did say that Kelly is nice to her but she certainly wasn’t agreeing with Kelly in the way that Kelly insinuated she had. And Dina said that the show was very disturbing in reference to Kelly’s meltdown not because all the women ganged up on Kelly.

    I definitely don’t want Jill to return but Bravo will keep her because people love to hate her and she used to be well liked and so if she redeems herself, people will like her again.

    The thing with Kelly (and for that matter Luann) is that they are the most replaceable. Actually Kelly is the most expendable. People didn’t like her last year and this year people liked her a lot until that episode. Everyone is feeling bad that Kelly was having a nervous breakdown and forgetting that she is really a bitch. I would hate for people to sympathize with Kelly and suddenly she becomes the darling of the public because they feel like she is fragile. I think she is a master manipulator and her child-like responses are designed to make her seem endearing.

    I think she is unstable and violent and delusional. The best thing is to just ignore her and stop giving her attention. No interest=no press=fades into oblivion.

    In regards to the watch shopping trip, I think that Jill does a lot for show. For example, the first season Jill filmed a scene in the Hamptons that showed a Jaguar or Bentley or another kind of expensive car. Ramona said in her talking head that Jill didn’t own those cars, that in fact she had rented them with the purpose of giving a certain impression of being extremely wealthy.

    Her party at Saks, she claims that the party cost like $60,000 but she didn’t actually pay anything. She gave Saks free publicity. in exchange for having a party there.

    It’s like that 16,000 dollar bag that she supposedly bought when in fact, the designer gave it to her for free. Jill is so cheap and is always trying to get free things. I doubt that Bobby actually bought the watch. Maybe she recieved it as a gift from the store in exchange for free advertising for the store or she didn’t really get to keep the watch.

    Jill is a poseur. She borrows clothes, bags, jewelry, etc. or she buys them and returns them after wearing them. Last season when the BBC came to Jill’s apartment for an interview about how the economy was affecting Americans, Jill admitted that Zarin Fabrics was really struggling just like everyone else. She likes to pretend–you know, like she knows Donald Trump, or Paris Hilton’s mother, or Johnny Weir.

    It is telling that Kelly, Jill and Luann all talk about creating alliances and being loyal to those in your alliance. You only build an alliance for strategic purposes, not because you actually like these people. The other women, Ramona, Bethanny and Alex actually like each other as friends. Their shared bond isn’t about hating the other women. Jill, Kelly and Loann have joined forces with the purpose of hating the other women. It’s sad. Jill and Luann don’t even respect Kelly that much–they constantly give her digs “Kelly, you want children? But you are a child yourself,” says Luann. “I swear I don’t understand Kelly. She can’t string two words together,” says Jill. But, I’m sure those three with create a united front for the reunion.

    • error 404 says:

      re: reunion show. Well we know which 3 will be on one couch and which 3 the other, but where will poor Sonja sit? She’ll have to sit int he middle with Andy and help play ref. lol

      re: Jill and swag. Notice how she feels the need to out everyone else’s freebees? Went out of her way to publicly say Bravo paid for B’s wedding and Ramona’s USVI trip. So tacky.

    • hooked on housewives says:

      emt2. I think you get a big BINGO for this..

      “It is telling that Kelly, Jill and Luann all talk about creating alliances and being loyal to those in your alliance. You only build an alliance for strategic purposes, not because you actually like these people. The other women, Ramona, Bethanny and Alex actually like each other as friends. Their shared bond isn’t about hating the other women. Jill, Kelly and Loann have joined forces with the purpose of hating the other women. It’s sad.”

      • MorgaineSwann says:

        Interesting, since Kelly claims not to like people with “strategic feelings.”

  86. otaypanky says:

    Jenni: Thanks for posting the talk segments. So, in the end everyone is thrilled with their appearance. Jill, Kel and Lu have formed an alliance and are presently besties…and I now know the all my conjecture, shock at some of the segments of the show is moot. Your post was a major reality check for me. Thanks again.

  87. MorgaineSwann says:

    IF somebody already posted this, I apologize, but I want to make sure people see it because it’s my favorite link since Thursday night: http://starcasm.net/archives/48633

  88. otaypanky says:

    Squirells: Change tickets. Pilot waiting at airport. Did not know you had to change your tickets with your private pilot. But ok…all for the show.

    • hooked on housewives says:

      wow. thanks otaypanky. I heard Jill say that but it went in one ear and out the other. Thanks for reminding me what a postering, strutting beotch Jillousy is.

  89. Jenni says:

    @otay- I think your previous points had merit. It will be interesting to see what happens. Ithink that after the airing of the episode Thursday, Jill, LuAnne, and Kelly might have to change their tune.

  90. Jenni says:

    Sorry, meant since the airing of Thursday’s episode…

  91. MorgaineSwann says:

    I think Jill is going to get dropped from the show to make room for actual socialites. Sonja and Jennifer are real socialites, and Kelly and LuAnn are on the fringes. Bethenny is too popular to lose, Ramona is entertaining and people identify with Alex. Jill, Kelly and LuAnn are the expendable ones and Jill most of all. She’s a pretender. If you can get a Jennifer or a Sonja – notice Jill didn’t know them before the show – you don’t need poseurs.

  92. Squirrels says:

    oytay panky…

  93. TNBelle2 says:

    Good blog Lynn. Either Kelly is an extremely good actress of playing a mentally ill person. Or the other option is she is truly mentally ill, whether chemically induced or not. The elevator definitely did not get out of the basement during this season of filming.

  94. Smompy says:

    error 404, thank you. Others have also said it, but you expressed your feelings (and mine) about Kelly so concisely. “Kelly is crazy AND she’s a bitch” pretty much says it all, in my opinion. And unless Bravo fires her, I imagine Kelly will keep coming back as long as the show lasts. She’s completely nervious to logic and common sense. Even if every person she meets from now until the day she dies, tells her she made an ass of herself and should seek psychiatric help, Kelly will remain convinced that she’s universally loved and adored. It’s all part of being her real & authentic self I guess.

    Adios Lunatic: thanks for the link to The Dish blog. It certainly seems odd to me. I can’t quite figure out Bravo’s angle yet. Maybe they’re trying to play both sides of the fence until they have a better grip on which side of the Bethenny/Kelly debate can produce higher profits? And while we’re on the subject of Bravo and their blogs, right after this episode aired, I went to read Bravo’s RHoNYC blogs and noticed that right next to them was a “The Dish” entry bragging about the fact that someone somewhere had named TWoP one of the “25 websites you can’t live without” and making that site sound like a fun place for Bravo fans to discuss their favorite shows. Since Bravo owns TWoP I understand why they’d want to publish that info, but why put it right next to the RHoNYC blogs? Any fan of the NYoNYC (who happens to be unaware of TWoP’s existence) would probably read that blog and get the impression tha TWoP really is a great place to discuss the RHoNYC, but if any of those fans do go there to discuss the show, they’ll quickly find out that the RHoBYC thread was permanently or at least semi-permanently shut down. Way to go, Bravo, it’s so nice of you to send your loyal fans on a wild goose chase.

    Oh, and Bravo, could you please send a memo to the housewives (not just the NY housewivesbut all of them) that one doesn’t feel BADLY for someone. One feels BAD for them. By no means am I a professional grammarian (OK that’s probably not even a word), but it irks the hell out of me when I hear one of them saying she feels badly about this or that. And every single one of them does this. Even the seemingly well-educated ones do it.

    • Smompy says:

      Just an FYI, “nervious” is Danish for “impervious.” Either that or I just suck at typing.

    • otaypanky says:

      Badly is correct when used as an adverb.

      • morning says:

        Just to let you know, my husband, Mr. Grammar Police, agrees. 🙂

      • UpYoursTWoP says:

        In this case, it is not an adverb. The person is feeling the feeling just fine, there is no neuron firing damage, they aren’t having emotional trouble in that they are experiencing their feelings in a poor manner (badly). “Bad” describes “I” or the feeling, it’s an adjective. You would not say, “I feel sadly,” right? In “I feel sad,” “sad” is an adjective.

    • Just a Commoner says:

      Both Luann and Jill wear joolery, too. Gad, I hate that.

      And Jill’s daughter is about to “graduate high school”.

  95. otaypanky says:

    Jenni…I don’t know. These gals seem to have no bounderies. Definitely no shame. I’m feeling major bamboozled.
    Watching the clips you posted reminds me that this is a reality “show”.

  96. DarkSonnet says:

    I don’t know if this has been posted, if it has, my apology. I read where the reunion show taping will start on the 26th (this has been posted before) AND the women will all be sequestered in separate rooms prior to the start of taping.

    Soooo, very interesting. There are many reasons why they would do that, what do you think is the most prevalent?

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      Probably to make sure that all the fighting happens on camera. LOL!

      • Adgirl says:

        maxine the twatter is claiming the reunion will be filmed in the very intimate setting of Madison Sq Gardens. HAHA she is sooo reliable too!
        But MorgaineSwann I agree about Bravo backloading the fights to be certain they are filmed. Just thought it would be funny if the ladies were placed in a boxing ring at the Garden.

        Another thing mentioned up thread Morgaine, I agree about Kelly having a real mental health problem. I just don’t see how she can sustain a heavy sub abuse problem over the 6 months since this was filmed. I have lived with an addict who had a pysch breakdown. You have to take a lot to get there.
        She seems completely unaffected tofay by her filmed behavior.
        Not aying she’s not able to have both – just seems more organic than introduced behavior…

  97. Quincy IL says:

    What kills me about the way the ladies on several shows speak is that they use “I” after a preposition: “Between Jill and I,” They do it all of the time and it’s like the sounds of fingernails on a chalkboard to me. Jill’s daughter writes so poorly that Bobby should ask for a refund from the very expensive prep school asap. Ally is going to have a rough time in college.

  98. Need a Hobby says:

    Armchair speculation on Kelly:

    We’ve all noticed that Kelly doesn’t process things said as most of us do. Not just her literal interpretation of metaphoric speech or not getting a joke. For example, as previously noted, when her daughter said “you work so hard for us” Kelly heard “you’re so hard on us” and took it as a criticism, the exact opposite of what was intended. What Kelly perceives is sometimes radically different than what is actually happening, said, and intended.

    Consequently, it’s almost impossible to talk her out of it, because those are her perceptions, her reality. The more people try to explain to her that what she heard or what happened was something quite different than what she perceived, the more rattled she gets since it’s a challenge, an undermining of her reality. We’d be the same way if someone said to us “you’re an effing bitch” and then when you called them on it, they’d say “I never said that.” And worse if there were several other people who were there at the time saying “she never said that.” They would be the people “ganging up” on you, trying to undermine you and your sense of reality. You would feel under attack and either leave or try to defend yourself, literally your “self.”

    Conversely, Kelly does say stuff like that to people and then later, to her it never happened. People are just making shit up about her. Is she simply lying when she denies her own words and behavior? Sometimes. For example, after repeatedly saying she never met Bethenny before (which pissed off Bethenny), Kelly eventually admitted that not only that she had met Bethenny but she also remembered the incident at the Ginny Hilfiger thing. Other times I think her internal editor has just erased the tape and to her it really didn’t happen or it didn’t happen the way others said it did.

    Kelly has problems dealing with feelings. She doesn’t like others talking about feelings to the point that she will interrupt and try to shut them down. Ramona said Kelly told her something like “I don’t know what I’m supposed to feel” in certain situations. It’s like she’s dissociated herself from her feelings. If she has, was that a coping mechanism she developed in response to something?

    At the dinner in Hades, when Sonja realized that something was seriously amiss with Kelly, IIRC she told the others something like “There’s something wrong with her….maybe a chemical imbalance.” Then later, “She’s had a traumatic experience.” Suggesting that some sort of psychological trauma in the past has resulted in this damage. Right away of course Kelly said, “No I haven’t.” But I’d speculate that, for whatever reason, Kelly has developed a bunch of coping and defense mechanisms that might help explain her behavior. And we’ve seen them on display.

    As Lynn and others have noted, Kelly seems to have a bit of arrested development emotionally. When we’re kids we tend to see things as either black or white, good or bad. As we mature, we learn life isn’t that simple and much of it is in varying shades of gray. It’s difficult to be certain of things when life is so complex and always changing. People have to be fairly mature and secure in themselves to recognize that and be able to live and function in an uncertain world that can at any moment dissolve into chaos. Shit happens. Life isn’t tidy. Whatever the genesis of Kelly’s issues, I suspect she tries to emphasize what she sees as the positive (it’s like a mantra or charm she repeats to herself) and live in a world of lollipops and cartwheels…uncomplicated “fun” things…. because the alternative (to her) is a dark threatening world that she can’t fully cope with. A complex “noisy” world that threatens to overwhelm her. Stuff (and people) she perceives as bad, negative she has to keep away from her because it will bring her down: she has to try to keep the happy, positive thoughts in front of her because she has to keep the bad, negative thoughts away.

    (Remember at the spa Kelly was telling others of her fears, that something bad would happen, she thought she was going to die? She was talking about when she was married—when Gilles was away since he traveled so much.)

    Is this how Kelly is all the time? Presumably not, on the surface at least. And no doubt there is much, much more to her of course. People defy simple analysis and dare I say, “labels.” But I suspect these are elements that are always there in some degree. (Sonja and Ramona have said that Kelly’s actually OK one on one, but has difficulty in dealing with a group. When the group gets together with their fast talk, complaints, stories, chatter….it’s dissonance to Kelly. Chaos. She appears to have difficulty processing and dealing with it.) Perhaps when she’s under stress, in uncomfortable situations or with people she finds threatening, her coping and defense mechanisms are triggered to a heightened degree. And then as Nene would say, “Bam!”

    When Kelly left the island, no doubt she wanted to leave but I also wonder if the producers also hustled her out of there.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      Mental illness in general, and schizophrenia particularly, is being trapped in one’s own mind. Kelly’s mind doesn’t accurately process the information it receives. Some people are able to know that they are hallucinating or delusions, but they still suffer with it. I don’t think Kelly knows she’s sick. I think she’d swear on a stack of bibles that her delusion is the external reality of the situation. If so, she’s very high functioning and she keeps her interactions with others very shallow and her visits short. When you demand more than a “hiieee or byeeee” from her, she can’t cope and it becomes “white noise.”

      I’m pretty sure the producers knew they needed to get Kelly back to civilization. She tells Jill, LuAnn and Jennifer that it took her a while to recuperate. I’d bet she spent 72 hours in a hospital.

      Unfortunately, her behavior this week seems to indicate that she’s not properly medicated because she’s defending her twisted version of what happened.

      People stuck at that median level of moral and ethical reasoning she’s at get very intense if you question their world-view and violence is not uncommon. In her mind you are threatening the world as she knows it if you challenge her. I just wish they’d get her some help and get her off Twitter. She’s not helping herself, she’s just reinforcing the perception that she’s unbalanced.

      • 212 says:


        ita on each and every point you made. I am afraid that the only way to get her help is through the courts.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Morgaine: In my post I didn’t go as far as to speculate that the time she said she needed to recoup from her “shellshocked” state after the trip was possibly spent in a private and discrete facility of some sort where people go to rest from “exhaustion.” But I really consider that a possibility.

        And if we’re correct, that she really has a mental illness of some sort, she must be high functioning to have “maintained” as much as she must have. And thus much more difficult to get her to get help. I had to wonder if her outburst about “labels” was perhaps in part due to her perhaps having been “labeled” in the past in reference to her own condition. Just speculation of course.

  99. Adgirl says:

    I’m sure the producers got Kelly the fuck out of there. They may have sugar coated it for Kelly “We need to get you away from these terrible mean women. Poor dear!”.
    I’ll just bet Kelly was on a rampage all night at the villa.

    Has anyone watched the preview of next week where Kelly lunches w Jill, Lulu & Jenn?
    Kelly claims that she was simply engaging Bethenny is warm conversation about Kelly’s quest for love when Bethenny out of left field instructed her to have one night stands. Umm, Kelly that was your buddy Sonja. Not Bethenny.

  100. Adgirl says:

    Oh wait!! I wanted to mention that I watched the 2 videos of BRA. Ugh. Kelly is still talking about being ganged up on. Jill, Lulu & Kelly are still tight. I wonder if they will change their tune now that they’ve seen the show.

  101. boston02127 says:

    I think what makes hate Jill and Kelly them more and more is the fact that they can’t get their stories straight. It’s one lie after another with the two of them.

  102. Quincy IL says:

    Oh, boy…this scares me to death..


    Danielle’s former boyfriend knows where she is. The drug dealer is speaking about Danielle Staub. Yikes.

    • MiaKulpa says:

      Holy shitballs! “There are people still out there watching her”

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I read that the other day. I don’t know what this woman was thinking going on a reality show. She’s very easy to find now, and some of those guys have very long memories and hold grudges even better than she does.

  103. Need a Hobby says:

    Adgirl: Alex recently made a comment on twitter something like, “that night everything and everyone was secured” in response to someone’s tweet. When I saw that I didn’t have the time to track what the specific question was she was responding to and don’t want to bother now. I think we know what Alex was referring to.

    And yeah, that LXTV clip with JZ, Lulu & Kels was in early March so at that time they were still feeling pretty cocky & secure in their respective self-righteous attitudes and that the other women were the “mean girls.” None of them had seen the rest of the season…..much less the viewers’ responses to their behavior.

    I think now LuAnn will rise above it all and make conciliatory noises since she, in her view, was never directly involved in any of the argy bargy. She’ll graciously let her good friends Jill and Kelly hang on their own. (I still crack up when I recall Bethenny called her a snake and LuAnn heard “skank.” LOL. No, dahling, it was Ramona who didn’t just imply you were a skank but outright said you were a slut. LOL.)

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      They were all shocked at the way the audience reacted to the drama this season. Andy is blown away by it. He thought the split in the audience would be more even but he underestimated how much people love Bethenny and hate Jill and Kelly. Jill only looked good in the reflected glow from Bethenny. Most of us never liked Kelly because she’s an a-hole. I think they’re also surprised that everyone wants Kelly off the show. She didn’t get the sympathy they expected.

    • Just a Commoner says:

      Here’s the twitter exchange that you were talking about:

      Did you all share a room that night and take turns guarding the door?

      Alex replies:

      @followinyoazz after dinner everything/one was secured

      Maybe resort security? Or maybe the show had people along for that kinda thing, anticipating that there might be a need?

      Excellent points on Kelly, btw. That’s the best analysis I’ve heard yet. And it totally supports the feeling I’ve always gotten from her that she doesn’t seem the least bit like an adult, ever. Other people say she’s like a young teenager but I would say she’s not even that mature, maybe around six or seven in some ways.

  104. 212 says:

    Which would you chose?

    (a) Speak of accessories, rainbows, and gum drops and be thought a flake.

    (b) Speak of feelings, and be devoured by evil, dark, demons that live within your head.

    She was challenged, forced to opt for (b). She remains in her mind…whole.

    That was her “breakthrough.”

  105. Quincy IL says:

    I just saw the video from above with Jill, Luanne and Kelly insulting the women who took the Virgin Islands vacation with Kelly. I watched Jill and Luanne movements and listened to their words. Disgusting …Both were disgusting.

    The audience seems to be around 96% against these Jill, Luanne, and Kelly.

    I am an ordinary person. I have watched this series. I think Jill’s behavior is abhorent. Bethenny, Alex, and Ramona should not forgive Jill.

    Jill made an awful statement about Sonja, something like you can sit next her her if you put your tongue down her throat. Jill didn’t know Sonja and Sonja has been careful not to attack Jill.

    I was sickened by what went on during last Thurs. show. It took about 24 hours for me to calm down. If Jill, Luanne and Kelly aren’t bothered by what happened, they are heartless Human Beings.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I agree that their behavior was disgusting, but I wonder if they’ll change their tunes now that they’ve seen the show?

  106. otaypanky says:

    The LXTV clip made me feel everything we witnessed was inauthentic. How could these three women show up on a talk show and laugh and schmooze at all that had been filmed. How out of touch can these women be? Or, they know it’s just a “show” and really are laughing at the viewers.
    Watching Jill throw her body back and forth while watching clips and her incessant chatter during the interview bugged the hell out of me.
    Still feeling real hoodwinked by the show, it’s cast and bravo.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Otay: But at the time of the clip (early March) they hadn’t seen the whole season. They were going by their own individual perceptions and perspectives, which of course had them being in the right and others in the wrong. They didn’t see everything that happened with the others or what was to be shown and, moreover, how the viewers perceived it. To get a glimpse at ourselves as other see us is a scary proposition. With the advent of online social media, those women really got a shitload of instant feedback. I don’t know about LuAnn, because I don’t pay attention to her stuff and frankly she was a marginal character this season, but we know Jill sure got the message.

      As the season was shown, and as the viewers responded, Jill eventually realized that she was coming off as a complete asshole and started making apologetic noises and said she must have been insane at the time she broke with Bethenny and wanted to make up, blah blah. Kelly has issues and cannot see any other perspective than her own, however delusional it may be. Her sense of self depends on not seeing that she’s the one who’s actually “crazy.” LuAnn will diplomatically reinvent history and make appropriate noises to all. I suspect she’s far more strategic and less impulsive than Jill and wants to keep her oar in all waters.

      And not so inauthentic: notice the cast in these preseason interviews did not appear together. Kelly, Jill, LuAnn did not appear with Beth, Alex and Ramona. That’s not accidental as Ramona (on Wendy Williams Show) and others have noted.

  107. morning says:

    Haven’t read all comments so apologize if discussed….has Andy ever said that Kelly is actually going to be on the reunion? And if the entire discussion is going to be with a mind to placate Kelly so she doesn’t flip out, it’s going to be one boring discussion. Perhaps she’ll only come on for part of it. Unfortunately by her recent tweets, I doubt he’ll be saying that she’s not come on because she’s in treatment.

    • Zarout! says:

      I’m worried she’s going to talk over everyone the entire time which will make it completely frustrating and annoying to watch. They better keep her in check.

      • The Digger says:

        Yes Kelly is going to be on the reunion. There was video posted of her working with her stylist to pick a dress that shows a style that reflects she was just casually dropping in to the event.

      • Hooked On Housewives says:

        @Zarout…..Love your handle. Zar-in, Zar-out. LOL

  108. otaypanky says:

    Wait, I’m trying to get a timeline here. When did the LX interview air and when did Season 3 begin?
    I don’t like watching a “reality” show with a bunch of vapid morons (the alliance) just to find out that I as an audience member is being laughed at by women I wouldn’t have a cup of coffee with. Besides the fact that I am a Manhattan women and trust me, the alliance in no way represents who we are, how we relate to one another or how we treat others.

  109. 212 says:

    Betcha Jilly thinks the gods smiled upon her by diverting everyones attention to the Kelly mess.

  110. Quincy IL says:

    I don’t think Kelly went to treatment after that trip. I think her disease helped her dismiss everything within hours.

    I am not a fan of Andy’s anymore. I think he has known about this and used it to his advantage. Sarah Jessica Parker seems to think the way that I do about all of this. Andy, listen to your friend, Sarah.

  111. Quincy IL says:

    otaypanky ? You live in Mahattan? That’s cool…

    I always wanted to live on the Gold Coast or near Michigan Ave in Chicago.

  112. Quincy IL says:

    A commenter on this site was very interesting:

    This is from the comments section:

    Viewers need to understand that she is suffering from a hi high-functioning type of autism–possibly Aspberger’s Syndrome or some other “Non-verbal Communication Disorder in the Autistic spectrum. By birth, she is extremely left-brained and concrete in her thinking. As a mental health professional, I have observed the many ways in which she interprets–literally–the light, joking banter of her peers (she calls it “chatter” or “white noise”). Viewers may read more about this condition, noting that a high percentage of such affected individuals are able to manage careers and families; they’re simply incapable of reacting to others’ emotions in the “normal” way because their right-brained skills are limited. (I’ve heard it said that many of the millionaires of “Silicon Valley” are similarly affected–even Film Director Steven Spielberg. Once this hidden “phenomenum” is better understood (and accepted), it should take some of the pressure off the other “wives.” They would need to adapt their conversations skills accordingly. they might ask her about the mechanics of riding, the nuances of the horse’s gait, or the different theories of riding involving the horse’s center of gravity. She will respond much more positively and they will have the unique opportunity to learn and grow from this experience.

    I saw mothers of children with this form of autism state that Kelly’s behavior was similar to what they have witnessed with their children. I read about the condition on the web and I am not trained in this area of medicine, but it seems to fit. It also explains why Lynn and others agree that Kelly is a thirteen year old child. The complex thinking we we share is learned by our brains and we see the beginning of the ability to understand complex ideas in junior high for normal people. Lemonaide from lemons.

    Bethenny did not like Kelly from day one on the show because Bethenny sensed something was wrong with Kelly. Bethenny grew up in a toxic home with a mentally ill mother so she had more of a reaction than the other women. Kelly could not take Bethenny’s jokes and reacted badly to Bethenny.

    I don’t have any experience with drug addicts. I would think they could understand the meaning of a mountain out of a mole hill when not really high on drugs. There were times when Kelly didn’t seem high on meds or drugs and she could not understand basic ideas.

    I’m just trying to understand all of this. I’m glad that the people here are open to ideas and are trying to understand this too.

    I thought that Kelly has a disease, not a drug problem. She might have taken drugs too, but the core problem seems to be that she is unable to process thoughts like the rest of us. It’s sad, but she doesn’t seem unhappy when not in a confrontational situation. Reunions are confrontational so I don’t know what Bravo will do about this.

    • error 404 says:

      it does help explain why SS took Kathy Griffin’s jokes about Dakota Fanning literally and go t soooo OTT angry about it.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      The concrete thinking we’re seeing in Kelly, the lack of insight into her own behavior and obsessive thought patterns can come from schizophrenia, too. Asperger’s isn’t likely to cause the paranoid delusions Kelly had, or that type of breakdown.

  113. ilovelynn says:

    patsy here, good morning! been trying to read all the comments on THREE blogs since 6am. iceNfire: don’t be mad at me, but I give up. the only tool thing is way above on the right next to my print etc. symbols and when I click on that nothing says “my account”. first, of course, I clicked twice on your name and got your page, but nothing says my account here(or tools). I am too stupid to live, so I guess I’ll just keep ilove lynn.(I do, anyway!)

    some comments: does anyone remember when sonja(LOVE HER), luann and crazy lady were having dinner in the hamptons and helly asked if sonja’s husband cheated on her, sonja turned to her and said “did yours”? then when asshole kelly did her confession or whatever it is called when they talk to the camera, she said,”I can’t believe she asked me that!” WTF! she asked SONJA the question. just another delusional moment. that lady is definitely cockaroach crazzzzzzy!

    where can I find the watch shoppping clip? how did I miss that?

    digger: thanks for the .dsideblog. hilarious!

    jenni: I couldn’t even finish watching the FIRST video. jill’s voice makes me sick to my stomach(stress in my stomach LOL) she cannot shut up when anyone else is trying to talk. she has to constantly interject into every conversation. I WANT TO THROW UP!
    she’s a f**king liar and if she doesn’t cut that f**king hair, or take off that wig, or get rid of the extensions, I’m going to go screaming into the night!!

    if andy doesn’t call these women out for their behavior this season that’s it for me. he needs to address jill’s and kelly’s lies. I think dark sonnet was right: kelly was REMOVED and the villa was secured. I wonder if we will ever hear what really happened. try putting that on WWHL you stupid jerk!

    ok, sorry, a little crazy town myself this am. love you guys,xxx.

  114. otaypanky says:

    Quincy: I was envying your life. Breeding horses. I know you are being self deprecating when you talk about shoveling manure. But after 25 years in Manhattan and the fact I’m hedging 60, I found myself being wistful about ranch living.
    Yes, I had read that article you posted a bit ago and in my mind, Kelly suffers from a couple of diseases and these diseases also offer her the ability to live in denial and rebuff and reasoned approach to help her with her usual “me against the world” paranoia. I do believe that alot of chatter is painful for her. Physically and phychicly. Again, what is troubling me now is the feeling of being duped by this show, its cast and bravo.
    I don’t think Jill is going anywhere. The fact that she is hated so much seems to raise her cache at the expense of the viewers.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      If you think about it, Kelly only has two options – admit that she’s sick, which she won’t do, or try to laugh it off. What we saw was real. Kelly is trying to cover and the others are going along with it because they don’t want to anger her. Notice, though, that you don’t see Kelly in the same place as the women who were there for the breakdown. It will be interesting to see how Jill and LuAnn treat her since the show aired.

      Someone asked Bethenny something about Kelly recently and she said she couldn’t comment on someone who is unstable. Bethenny is afraid of Kelly and rightfully so. It’s going to be interesting to see how the girls that went to the island interact with her in the future, and how public perception of Kelly goes. I think she has underestimated the stigma of being identified as mentally ill. She’d be better off if she’d say she got treatment, but I doubt she’ll ever admit that.

  115. Quincy IL says:

    Otapansky, it is beautiful here. I enjoy the sunrise and sunset. We are a sky full of stars. There is a forest nearby where I can ride over creeks and hills. It’s not 5th Ave, but it is special.

    I don’t think Jill is going to leave the show either. It’s good that over 90% of the viewers don’t like Jill or her behavior.

    There are people around here that have issues and I just stay away from them. One person in particular would gossip about me negatively, but I just told those who brought the stories back to me that this person was a good person to know from the distance. People like Jill run through friends. They treat them badly and the friendships decay. Some damaged people, like Ramona, keep coming back for the pain, but normal people like Alex and Bethenny see the real Jill and they won’t take manure forever.

    I have to feed the horses now… LOL

    • otaypanky says:

      Sounds beautiful and rewarding Quinc…and that’s exactly the way we treat people in Manhattan. If one finds someone nasty, mean, rude, most just walk away and do not engage or otherwise give a cretin opportunity to keep talking and/or acting out.
      I don’t think one can compare Fifth Ave to beautiful sunrises, sunsets and star gazing. Because Manhattan is always so well lit, you cannot view stars here. Whenever I go elsewhere and look up in the evenings, I am humbled by the view. Be well Quince

  116. AnnoyingJill says:

    The LXTV interview was sooo annoying because of Jill. She thinks she looks cool while she’s chair dancing, she looks like the buffoon that she is. Of course she can’t the the F up and let someone else speak.

    EMT2: I do remember Jillousy’s showing off the car in the Hamptons scene. It was a Ferrari. Her voiceover said “I’m taking the Ferrari” which is rented. I don’t remember Countass saying that but Jill doesn’t pay for anything. She buys enough to score a Diamond card, then returns it.

    The Saks party was certainly promotion for them. That is the worst store if they cater to Jill Zarin. I didn’t see the Bravo clip regarding Bobbbby buying her a watch. She’s all about “Jewing” someone out of something. Offering to sample your products! Geez! She will stoop to any level. If it’s anything that will be publicized, she isn’t paying her got a seriously deep discount. The Scoop incident is a perfect example. I don’t even think she paid for the ugly $16,000 dollar bag unless it was a Birkin or a Chanel. This is an unknown designer. Jill only cares about top names. She must have finagled the bag for promoting her on the show. Kelly doesn’t pull that kind of sleazy tactics.

    • Just a Commoner says:

      She’s all about “Jewing” someone out of something.

      How about we refrain from ethnic stereotyping here? Greed isn’t an innate characteristic of any one race or people. It’s an innate characteristic of greedy people, of which Jill is one.

  117. emt2 says:

    I was thinking again about Kelly’s claim that B attacked her children.

    B definitely said a lot of negative things about Kelly in the press (B said that Kelly should thank her because she practically created her by publicly bashing her) and Kelly said negative things about B in the press (Her Haper’s Bazaar article is a perfect example). However, B never said ANYTHING about Kelly’s children. Jill actually told Kelly, “How can you forgive B? She tried to destroy your family” after confronting her playing nice with B. Jill gave her that impression, Kelly didn’t think of it on her own.

    I think that Jill is the one stoking that fire but that doesn’t excuse Kelly’s behavior. Kelly’s so stupid. She’s like “those women only get press when they are degrading me.” I was like, um, NO ONE is interested in giving you more press at this stage of the game. No one even talks about her except for in the blogs. None of these women ever really talk about what the others are doing. Romona, Alex, B, Jill, Luann, Sonja all plug whatever their latest venture might be. Kelly is the only one talking about the other women to get press. She doesn’t have any projects except for doing her community service so she doesn’t have much to talk about. Just read her twitter.

    I found this article and thought it was really interesting, especially since we can see how everything has unfolded since May 2009.


    My last thought on Kelly is that I don’t believe she has an actual mental disease or is austic. I think she is delusional and an extreme narcassist who doesn’t listen unless someone is complimenting her. When Sonja talks about husbands cheating, Kelly asks Sonja if her husband cheated and then turned around and said that it was weird that Sonja would ask her if Gilles had cheated on her. She said that B encouraged her to have unprotected sex and one night stands when actually Sonja is the one who encouraged one night stands but definitely didn’t say anything about unprotected sex. She told Jill that B said that Kelly thinks she is so great when actually Kelly said that to B. Kelly hears what she wants to hears.

    Kelly is just stupid and self-absorbed but also capable of violence and is unstable. It’s more that she is spoiled than suffering from a psychiatric disease.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      Respectfully, I disagree. Delusions, lack of insight, paranoia, inflated sense of self, narcissism, projection, potential for violence, instability – these are all symptoms of mental illness. I agree that she is spoiled and she has been over-indulged (I suspect that line she kept using with B. was something her ex-husband has said to her) and she’s got a lifestyle built around her inflated sense of self. If you read her little articles that she writes, it’s all “I went here and saw this celebrity and I bought this and this celeb is so nice,” which is pretty much all she talks about. She’s always been pretty enough for people to tolerate her bragging.

      Somebody needs to shake her and tell her that people who go around claiming to have integrity are a-holes, but no one will, and she wouldn’t absorb it anyway. I find it frustrating that no one will. While I do believe she has a legitimate illness, I think a smack up-side the head might do her some good. She’ll never be normal, but her attitude might be slightly adjustable.

  118. otaypanky says:

    Lynn. You must stike ANNOYING JILLS last comment. What is wrong with you? How dare you? What kind of stereotypical remark is that?

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @otaypanky @AnnoyingJill

      I’m not Jewish but I want to remark that the phrase J**ing Down or the word J**ing has always had a negative connotation to me and is meant to be something derogatory.

      Over the years though it seems that people have come to use it as slang for trying to get the best deal. I’m not trying to get in the middle of a fight. Just weighing in because I respect all of the regular posters on Lynn’s blog and would rather see the fights via reality TV than between or among ourselves.

      • AnnoyingJill says:

        Hooked, Thank you for your post. It was meant as a slang term. I agree with you about this blog should be about our hate for Jill and not being corrected on our terminology.

  119. anniieee says:


    another funny recap… oh I guess I better catch up. Hope everyone is having a good day 🙂

  120. otaypanky says:

    Annoying Jill…aren’t you the same poster who claimed to be Offended by words like mazel and kosher? Mazel meaning congrats and kosher referring to a type of slaughter and food prep that meets with religious dietary laws? Why would words like that offend you? I can’t believe what you posted!

    • morning says:

      You’d better be specific if you want her to understand. And I think it would help if you used an “educational” vs. confrontational tone.

  121. otaypanky says:

    Does anyone else here have a problem with Annoying’s last post? Or am I swaying alone in the wind? You are offensive Annoying Jill.

    • tod1963 says:

      i actually thought it was highly offensive

      • otaypanky says:

        Thank you tod1963.

        • Dani says:

          I am Jewish and no I did not take offense to her comment. I am 24 and I don’t think the younger generation have the same hang ups as older on words or in the case comments. Please settle down, let’s all get along.

          • AnnoyingJill says:

            Sorry I didn’t notice this post. Thank you. As a fellow Jew, I’m glad you didn’t take any offense. The younger generation gets it more than the older ones which I think are posting on this board. One would think the older ones on here would know how to play nice.

  122. otaypanky says:

    Just for the record, I am a non-Jew. I am one of those people who worship a long dead Jew and Rabbi as The Messiah. How ignorant can you be Annoying Jill?

  123. Jenni says:

    @Need a Hobby- Great post above, one additional comment for this part of your post:

    Consequently, it’s almost impossible to talk her out of it, because those are her perceptions, her reality. The more people try to explain to her that what she heard or what happened was something quite different than what she perceived, the more rattled she gets since it’s a challenge, an undermining of her reality. We’d be the same way if someone said to us “you’re an effing bitch” and then when you called them on it, they’d say “I never said that.” And worse if there were several other people who were there at the time saying “she never said that.” They would be the people “ganging up” on you, trying to undermine you and your sense of reality. You would feel under attack and either leave or try to defend yourself, literally your “self.”

    In her mind, Bravo could be “editing” to make it look like she did and said things she believes she did not do….?

  124. AnnoyingJill says:

    Otaypanky: That was not me who said that! Don’t accuse me for something I didn’t say! I think that poster was called Jillousyhater. I am Jewish so you talking to the wrong person! I know what those terms mean. I wouldn’t use the term “Jewing down” if I wasn’t Jewish. Check yourself before you accuse – OTAY!

    • otaypanky says:

      Annoying Jill…it’s posted under you sign on name. I am not psychic. I don’t know the difference between one AnnoyingJill or the other AnnoyingJill, as a Jew, I would think you would be happy I spoke up.
      And for the poster who thinks I’m being confrontational rather than striking out at remarks like that as soon as they are heard and terming the person making such a statement ignorant, that is being nice. Remarks like that are actually downright dangerous. Instead of being offended by my wishing to call someone out for Hate Speech, try disliking the Hate Speech itself. It’s the silence that kills.

  125. AnnoyingJill says:

    Otaypanky: I happen to like Andy’s Mazel of the week btw. I think it’s embarrassing that Jill is Jewish and behaves like this. You owe me an apology for accusing me of being another poster who did say offensive things which I just brushed off.

    • Dani says:

      I feel the same as you Annoying Jill. I am embarrased that Jill is Jewish and I am also embarrased how she tries to get everything free. My friends that are Jewish too, make fun of her and if we are going to buy something and we think it is to high of a price we now say “Don’t Jill it.”

      • LynnNChicago says:

        I’m embarassed that Jill is a woman / mother and a US Citizen! Talk about gross….she gives us all a bad name, I mean it, this show airs in other countries and unfortunately many think these women are representative of all American women.

        • AnnoyingJill says:

          Lynn: I am shocked to see a post at 11:57 with my name. I did not write that! It looks like the spoofer who was putting Mimi’s name on it’s posts is back. I guess this loser wanted to start it up again by instigating.

        • AnnoyingJill says:

          Jews have a bad rap already for being cheap and wanting bargains, and she perpetuates the Stereotype.

  126. anniieee says:

    I find anything that denigrates any race or religion highly offensive. Found it distrubing that in 2010-anyone would even contemplate using that word. Hang in Otay-you are not swinging in the breeze alone.

  127. morning says:

    Wait so it’s ok to say “jewing down” if you are Jewish but not if you aren’t? I’m confused.

  128. anniieee says:

    Yeah I have a problem with that and another word as well….I teach inner city and kids think it’s okay to say words that are totally unacceptable because of their race/religion. It is just wrong..no matter WHO or What you happen to be.

  129. AnnoyingJill says:

    I don’t know how to find a poster’s name on here to check posts by them, but if anyone knows how and I do think it was Jillousy Hater or something like it will show that I didn’t write the offensive post that Otay is accusing me of writing. Fix your reading glasses Otay before you accuse.

    • morning says:

      My question really was to you. Do you believe it is ok for a person of a group to use a term such as “jewing” but not for those outside the group? Or do you simply think it’s ok for everyone to use the term? I’m just asking, not accusing.

      • otaypanky says:

        Hi morning. Seems we will both wait an awfully long time for a cohesive, intelligent answer. Personally, I’M DONE!

  130. couchon says:

    Kelly feels like she is Nancy Kerrigan because her BFF is RHNYC’s version of Tanya Harding.

    • error 404 says:

      I think Kelly meant she felt like Mark Kerrigan. All you want to do its use the phone and then there are all these haters in your face defaming you and then when the police come, they fake illness just to make you look bad. They both live by that old saying “Never explain, always complain”

  131. otaypanky says:

    Thank you too anniileee. I think it’s way easy to change one’s gravatar on this site and then attack me for standing up for what is right. Suspicious that annoyingjill would state she’s a jew than attack me for coming out and stating that this kind of speech has no place here or anywhere.

  132. Mel says:

    I agree with the possible autism/aspbergers. She can function if she is in control and knows what to expect. Change things up and she goes into spin mode. That is why emotions freak her out- she doesn’t get it. She may also have some ADD in the mix which would also explain the brain spinning out of control causing her to feel like she is surrounded by “white noise”. The only thing that seems to kind of fit drugs is her posturing- the way she holds her mouth. It is a lot like Anna Nicole Smith just before she died. The exaggerated lips…hmmm
    Her recaps with Jill are outrageous. Total and full out lies.
    Makes me very concerned for Bethenny. This woman is paranoid and fixated on Bethenny.

  133. AnnoyingJill says:

    I said “Jewing Down” The earlier post which might have been from yesterday or two days ago wasn’t mine. I never said I’m annoyed by Andy’s mazel of the week and some other things. I love his show, and I think he’s hilarious in spite of my being annoyed by his defense of Jill. You don’t know what you are talking about OTAY! Lynn you will see I didn’t write the post that she is referring to. I cop to jewing down I’m the Jew and I’m not offended. Sorry to those who found it offensive. Otay doesn’t have enough class to apologize for accusing me for writing the other post. I hope someone finds that.

    • Anutha Hata says:

      Well at least we learned something-I have to admit that I didn’t realize that the phrase was offensive either. I thought it was short-hand for making a fair bargain-duh.

      • AnnoyingJill says:

        You are correct. It wasn’t meant to be offensive. Otay who only has this blog on her mind just decided to be a Mean Girl and try to admonish me, instead of letting it go. It goes to show what kind of mentality she has. I feel sorry for her.

  134. Little_Rhino says:

    Has anyone seen Kelly’s first tweet of the day? “Mornin’ happppppy sunnn” Hmm. Certainly doesn’t contradict all the theories posted here about her 13-year-old mentality.

  135. AnnoyingJill says:

    Yes Morning. I think the N word is the most offensive word. If a black person uses it, it’s not the same reaction as if a white person uses it. If I was not a Jew I wouldn’t use that term.

    OTay WTF is your problem! I don’t change my name on here. I don’t even know how to change an avatar which you accused me of. Why don’t you find that post original post that I didn’t write. It will not say AnnoyingJIll. What an idiot you are!

    • morning says:

      I’m sorry. That makes no sense to me for so many reasons but I don’t need to discuss it further. Thank you for your response.

  136. Quincy IL says:

    I am married to a Shiite Muslim from Iran so I am sensitive to slurs too even if I think those Mullahs are dangerous.

    Lynn will remove that post. She’s very responsible.

    BTW… My family is a UN of race, ethnicity, and religion. I am particularly fond of my youngest sister who seems to be a Buddist this week.

  137. otaypanky says:

    I do apologize for thinking you wrote the other post. I was ashamed that I didn’t say something then. It never sat right with me. Thanks for finally admitting to the term you did use. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. Sorry Jill, that is my opinion and I stand by it. Now please stop attacking me for not wish to be silent about or party to someone else’s hate speech. Sorry you don’t get it, especially if you are Jewish, it’s truly so sad.

    • AnnoyingJill says:

      BTW: Don’t yell at me! You are old enough to be my mother but you aren’t. I do like the way you trash Jill. Why don’t you stick to that instead of picking on others?

    • sbh says:

      Dear otaypanky,

      I am catching up on my blog reading and I came across your comments. Excuse me for just jumping in, but I feel that I MUST throw in my two cents.

      I am Jewish. Not a quarter Jewish, or even half Jewish, but a real Jew–born and raised. My Grandma and Great Grandparents survived Auschwitz and Birkenau. I am an observant, Orthodox Jew and went to a Jewish day school every day until I graduated from high school. Afterward, I lived for a year in Israel doing intensive study of the Bible and its Prophets and Commentators, Jewish Law, Jewish History and Modern Politics. I had six Jewish American roommates. Instead of a dorm we all lived in an apartment building amongst regular Jewish people (from Israel, Denmark, England, Russia and all across America). I speak Yiddish, Hebrew, some Hungarian, and I am a graduate of UCLA with a degree in English Literature. I am 24 years old and I have taught Jewish studies at both a conservative and reform Jewish day school. I am also interested in art, music, culture, and this crazy RHoNY show. After giving this a good few minutes thought, I cannot think of ANYONE I know, either Jewish non-observant, conservative, reform, modern orthodox, or ultra orthodox (as well as non-Jews of any age, sex, color or creed), who would consider the phrase “J****g D**n” an appropriate terminology, in any type of forum. I thank you otaypanky for all the comments you made speaking up against such rudeness. I, like you, also thought the derogatory comments all looked like it came from that one gravatar. My only explanation to you otaypanky, concerning this ignorant and offensive individual, is that Jill is Jewish too. In all, I find Jill to be a deep embarrassment as a woman, and a bad and shameful representative of my religion, as well.

      • sbh says:

        Here is a P.S. to my former comment, I have really enjoyed all your blogs so far, and I am going way back. Thanks for your funny and insightful take on things!

  138. AnnoyingJill says:

    I am able to brush off Jewish slurs. If I’m not being personally attacked I’m not bothered by it.

    Otay: If you were offended by what that other poster said you should have spoke up then. Not wait so long and confuse what I said for the other poster. I do think what they said was offensive. I shouldn’t have said “jewing down” I should have said chewing down or bargaining which is what Jill does. I shouldn’t be the subject of attack because Otay confused me with someone else. I don’t care if you speak up or not. You seem to live on this blog so enjoy your confrontations. I have a family and have to start my day.

  139. AnnoyingJill says:

    One last thing: I do wish someone can find that older post that OTay accused me of writing. I wouldn’t criticize Andy for being Jewish and using Jewish expressions. I’m all about picking on all the bad things about Jill because IHATEJILLZARIN!

    • otaypanky says:

      I do apologize for thinking you wrote the other post. I was ashamed that I didn’t say something then. It never sat right with me. Thanks for finally admitting to the term you did use. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. Sorry Jill, that is my opinion and I stand by it. Now please stop attacking me for not wishing to be silent about or party to someone else’s hate speech. Sorry you don’t get it, especially if you are Jewish, it’s truly so sad.
      Again Simon Wiesenthal must be beaming!

  140. boston02127 says:

    I’m just an Irish girl from Southie who learned a long time ago to mind my own business. I like you guys & don’t think anyone here has mean intentions.

    @ couchon~~I did see that tweet earlier and my first thought was ugggg.

  141. Quincy IL says:

    I think people here are really trying too. I think this is a fantastic group of thinking Human Beings.

  142. otaypanky says:

    Excellent question “morning”. I do not believe you will get answer. Not one that could possible make any sense.

  143. couchon says:

    @error404-Was Mark Kerrigan accused of murdering Papa Kerrigan? Is that what Kelly was idntifying with?

  144. error 404 says:

    Kelly saying that she’ll use her increased fame to be more charitable is just a desperate attempt at spin. Didn’t work, like most of Kelly’s attempts.

    I agree with Lynn that Kelly has no intention of doing anything charitable. But, even if she wanted to, who does she think would be interested. Like they’re sitting a conference table brainstorm which celeb they can get to help fundraise, and someone goes “I Know! Let’s get that loopy housewife who can’t string 5 words together to make a coherent sentence to be our spokes person.” or ” Mother Superior, how about that crazy woman from Bravo? She can do cartwheels and give out gummy bears, and if those bitches form St Margaret’s show up, we’ll tell her they defamed her kids and she’ll go medieval on their asses.”

  145. I'm just visiting this planet says:

    Bravo-if you’re monitoring this site-this is for you. If everything we’ve seen in the last two episodes was true then you are exploiting a sick and disturbed woman who is clearly spinning out of control-all for the sake of ratings. She needs help and, more to the point, so do her daughters. On the other hand- if everything has been the result of clever editing and is a hoax then you have been exploiting your viewers. Either way-‘shame on you’ and I’m gone-pass that along to your sponsors-you may not care but they will.

    • error 404 says:

      Bravo, if you’re reading, know that some of us see there are more than just 2 limited options.

      You hired a woman who’s clearly functional, has been granted custody by a court of law, passes social worker visits, etc.. has never been challenged by her ex-husband or her coworkers, etc.. and is clearly fine in all of the post trip interviews. If her family wants to get her help, that’s their business, but none of them seem to want to do so.

      During the show she remained in control at all times. The absolute worst thing that ever happened was she cried in her room. Yeah, she rambled incoherently for a while, but then she usually does. After seeing her two “crazy” altercations with Bethenny last season, both times where she refused to even let Bethenny speak, constantly telling her to “stop” whenever she tried to converse, refused to take any responsibility for her own actions, and peppered the whole conversation with weird things that seemed to come out of the blue, I’m shocked that anyone is surprised by this season’s outburst. That dinner was just a longer version of what we’ve always seen on camera from Kelly.

      She is on your show by choice, went on that trip by choice, and was free to go at any time, and she did in fact leave after making a drunken fool of herself one night at dinner.

      She went on that trip with an agenda: make B look bad. Her inability to follow thru with the ammo she was supplied with (cook vs chef is a funny snark, but when she repeated it and couldn’t defend it, she looked a fool) and her habit of distracting people with off topic nonsense when ever directly challenged made her look like an idiot. The whole scheme backfired, and made for great TV.

      • DarkSonnet says:

        Exactly. If we choose to use the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, we are much better equipped in our attempt to interpret what was actually happening on the last show.

        There have been signs/instances throughout this HW series that could have pointed us to this result.

        The more success Bethenny has, the more Kelly’s behavior will escalate. If she attempts any control at all, good old Jill will be standing by with her can of rocket fuel to add to the embers.

        That is, of course, until Jill REALLY sees the handwriting on the wall and steps away from the situation, in turn abandoning Kelly.

      • MorgaineSwann says:

        You’re assuming a lot of facts not in evidence in this post. We don’t know that Kelly has custody of her kids or that it has ever been questioned before a court. We don’t know that Social Services has ever checked out the situation.

        I agree that Kelly seems to be functional for the most part, and they may have had no reason to think she would lose it like that, but they did have control over what footage they showed. I believe the girls when they say there was worse footage they could have used. I believe that because Bethenny won’t comment on it and Alex looked like she’d been crying all night in that preview where Jill shows up. Something very serious went down there.

        Bravo certainly has a legal right to show the footage, but I think they’re on shaky grounds ethically. I wouldn’t want to watch a steady diet of that level of dysfunction. If this was a once in a lifetime thing, fine, but I hope they don’t continue to try to bait her and make her boil over.

        If Kelly is on the show and Bethenny is not, I won’t watch. If Bethenny stays, I’ll probably watch, but I really think Kelly should be dropped.

    • Stella says:

      I think saying she has a mental illness is unfair to people who really do suffer from mental illness. I don’t have a Ph.D in psychology, but my husband does. He has on and off watched the show with me for the past couple of years. He thinks she is just a garden variety aging mean girl that felt cornered and didn’t have a support team with her. She lashed out because nobody was buying her hiiiiiiiiii and byeeeeeee and aren’t I the popular one etc…. and she couldn’t cope with it. Don’t Blame Bravo, she is NO vulnerable adult.

      • MorgaineSwann says:

        I have a mental illness, controlled with medication, and I don’t feel it’s unfair, I feel it’s appropriate. People need to realize that people in every strata of society have mental illnesses, but some have support systems that allow them to function. Kelly has a support system that most people don’t. Lots of people live, work, function with a mental illness. (I’m not one of them – I can’t function on the medication, but I have to take it.) Handled correctly, this could be a great thing. I have little faith they’ll handle it well, though. I think they’re all about the numbers.

  146. anniieee says:

    Yep and I agree with Quincy– we are all part of the human race…we should not use racial slurs on anyone…even ourselves..poor taste and bad manners. Now back to Kelly and her insanity…after our quick morning break–fixing the world. I still think she is probably a crack head combined with a mental disorder that is diagnosed but she self-medicates.

  147. AnnoyingJill says:

    I knew OTay would still have to say something STUPID to have the last word. That’s ok Bubbe! Your insults don’t mean anything to me. I’m not impressed that you know who Simon Wiesenthal is. I don’t have to discuss my degree or occupation since it’s not relevant to an IHATEJILLZARIN blog. Since you are on here all the time and like to pick fights and insult people you are obviously an angry, older woman with no life. I feel sorry for you. Try to enjoy the rest of this beautiful weekend.

    Boston and Quincy: You are correct in minding your own business and just enjoying this blog for what it is. I’ve never took another poster to task for what they said. It’s free speech. Lonely people like OTAY live for these kind of blogs and enjoy this back and forth nonsense. It gives them a reason to feel self-important. I would have ignored her but didn’t want to be accused for writing the offensive post from yesterday and two days ago. Signing off!

    • Need a Hobby says:

      There’s a way to correct misapprehensions, misunderstandings, differences of opinion without resorting to personal attacks. One fights fire with water, not more fire.

      Is that a Kellism? OK, maybe close.

  148. couchon says:

    Kelly, our own missionary, has already begun her charity work and rescued a shelter puppy. There are pictures on the web to document that Kellamity is once again the most charitable person in her town. Will there be follow-up home visits by the shelter? Dogs can have stressful lives on RHNYC. Ginger should write a book. The chapter on the condo vet would be riveting.

    • Ellabean says:

      Oh my gawd: That is such an obvoius PR damage control rehabilitation stunt. Jill must be coaching her.

  149. LynnNChicago says:

    Has anyone reviewed Kelly’s Ebay account? She made a total of 4 purchases, two copies each of her own books.

    Her ebay rating is horrible! Although it was brought down by only one neg rating, it is still in the range that Ebay suggests buyers avoid.


    • Just a Commoner says:

      Wow. Interesting. Didn’t that “Big Owl” pendent originally list for around $500? I know I saw it just recently online, maybe on the HSN site?

      About the books, I wonder if she’s trying to clear Ebay of her books? I’ve been selling on ebay for 11 years and I recently listed some things whose U.S. distributor did not want to be available on Ebay or any other secondary market. She offered to buy them from me directly just to get them off ebay, saying it cheapened their image to be on ebay. I wonder if that’s Kelly’s reasoning.

      Or maybe she’s just doing her Christmas shopping.

  150. boston02127 says:


    Look close & read the bottom of the poster.

  151. Olivia says:

    I thought the purpose of this blog was to be able to gather in safe surroundings with like minded people who are simply viewers of a reality tv show that has no bearing on real life. We can analyze, nitpick the “stars”, confer judgment, criticize and project this series without having to apologize for our singular viewpoints.

    But this is turning into a “neener, neener” blast off that most of us followers did not count on. We all loathe Jill Zarin and her actions which is the purpose of this blog as indicated by the title above. Bad behavior is what the topic suggests but we seem to be getting far and away from the original intent.

    Blasting one another defeats the purpose and we are here merely to block out the atrocities that constitutes what else is happening around us by way of “real news” since we are helpless to change things as they occur in the real world. Finding an avenue to vent our displeasure with Jill and her cohorts allows us to let off the steam but let’s not invite that same thread of crapola to invade this blog. It is not fair to the site monitor or each other.

    Let’s just continue to HATE JILL ZARIN and those pretenders that enable her and put personal attacks aside. It’s much healthier that way.

  152. Ellabean says:

    Have now watched Scary Island Episode – Kelly Meltdown 4 times since Thursday……

    That said, I have a few Kelly World observations bugging me:

    1. On morning #2 of the vacation, Kelly presented a note pad in the kitchen scene for the wives to write down their “complaints”. She said, then “we can put it in a jar and throw it away like we did in 4th grade”. Yes, clearly odd. But recall the scene last week when Kelly was making pancakes with her 2 daughters; and the younger one (watching, not participating in the cooking activity) was writing titles or remarks about the pancake cooking on her notepad – then holding up her notepad to display her thoughts in words to her mom- rather than verbalizing what she thought about the activity taking place right in front of her. Now, on one hand that can be viewed as innocent child activity, especially as kids like to draw/write….but I wonder if that child has been encouraged over time to communicate with her Kelly in that form – especially if the 3 of them are talking – so Kelly can “sort” it out . Or sadly, …has that child developed this method of talking to her mom on her own, cleverly learning that it is the only way at times to “reach/connect” her mom. Maybe that child knows the truth about Kelly better than anyone. And just a side note: one of Kelly” daughters appears to be around the age of being in the “4th grade”. That may be why Kelly – so often uses that line.

    2. Re: Kelly’s repeated self identifying labels saying she is “real”, “authentic”, “genuine” and has “tons of integrity”. The use of the term “real” has been so overused as is a part of modern teenage/ twenty-something youth lexicon. Among other reasons for its overuse, this cliche’ is lazy communication to not use better language and descriptive words. Also its use is meant to excuse/explain one’s behavior as perfectly acceptable as in ‘well it’s who I am, so there’ . So going back to Lynn’s Kelly is a 13 year theory – I suspect that Kelly has latched onto using these cliche’ self describers as all purpose crutches to excuse her odd behavior to others and make herself seem okay…the message being: ‘but I am real’ so I am fine….’.my behavior is acceptable’ _ even if I am doing /saying odd things or a defiant , ‘I can do whatever I want’ (very adolescent). Lastly, I believe the use of these terms is another way to say : ” I am special’. Yes: arrested development.

    3. Re: Bethenney’s blog at Bravo saying the viewers didn’t see the worst of what took place (paraphrasing). It just dawned on me.. how in the world did they end the dinner that night and filming. There is NO WAY that Kelly just went quietly back to her room. Surely , her mania went had to go on for hours til she wound down. One can only begin to imagine what it took for the production team to settle Kelly in for the evening. We as viewers should keep that in mind when we see next week’s episode where the ladies look shell shocked and completely exhausted the next morning.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      Ramona said on Twitter that they had to leave the table to get away from her. I’d love to know who intervened and how.

      I think Kelly’s constant statements that she’s “real” and “authentic” are direct insults to her castmates. I’ve read some of her writing – Page 6, her post on GlobalGrind, things like that – and all she does is brag about herself. Her only topic is how great she is, how charitable, how wonderful her life and who she knows. I’ve never seen anyone so obnoxious, and people around her seem to tolerate it. I don’t get it. Nobody is pretty enough to tolerate that kind of ego.

  153. iceNfire says:

    ilovelynn – (Patsy’s Boy’s? in beginning to forget) Okay Let’s DO This! Now scroll up to the very top of this screen. Do you see in LARGE letters “Lynnnchicago101’s Blog”?
    Now Directly above the L of
    “Lynnnchicago101’s Blog” you will see
    “my account” on a gray bar. Go to “edit profile” and change your “display” name. You cannot change “user” name but it won’t be seen anyway.

  154. Jennifer says:

    Not sure if anyone else mentioned this but when Sonja asked Kelly for proof it was B, Sonja said How do you know it was her? And Kelly answered. ‘Who else would it be?’ ……Duh Kelly how about Jill ? Jill hated Kelly last season …. If someone planted something bad about her kids ( and I am not even finding any such articles) maybe it was Jill

    It annoys me that everyone forgets Jill hated Kelly and even at reunion Luanne bashed her…..Kelly should rewatch that tape. How can she not realize she us being used and they only like her because they want a third against B ?

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      That’s a part of Kelly’s obsession, though. If it’s bad, it has to come from Bethenny because Bethenny is evil. Alex is associated with Bethenny, so she channels the devil or vampires. Kelly is not capable of reasoning in the manner you’re describing.

  155. eye2try says:

    Hi Everyone, Long time follower of Lynn’s blog, first time poster.

    This may have been pointed out, but here is something that bothers me;

    Kelly keeps pretending that the other cast members are all acting. That none of what we see (except for her performance) is genuine. She tweeted that she felt sorry for the viewers being concerned about her, implying that none of it was real.

    Well we all know that Kelly is a looneytune, so her story isn’t washing with any of us. However, I am insulted as a viewer by her constant implication that this REALITY show isnt that at all.

    I want Bravo to shut her down. She is basically saying that we are all idiots and are drinking Bravo Kool aid when we watch and comment on what happens on the show.

    We are not idiots being duped by Editors, thank you very much. Certainly there are scenes that are dramatized. That doesnt make them complete fiction as Kelly implies.

    Why does Bravo continue to allow her to disparage the show and insult our intelligence?

    • DarkSonnet says:

      One word. Ratings.

    • GreatExpectations says:

      I love how Kelly “feels sorry for viewers for thinking it’s all real”. Her point of view is very Countess-like. Doesn’t she realize that her Alpha woman act makes her even more unlikable?

  156. otaypanky says:

    Lynn: Thank you for removing AnnoyingJill’s long diatribe of a personal attack on me. If I owe all posters to this site an apology for taking exception to the term “Jewing Down” as stated by AnnoyingJill in the “way” that I did, I apoligize.
    Truth be known, I have never met a self respecting Jew who would find a comment such as that acceptable. It indicates that only Jews bargain and negotiate. You’re right Jill, I am an older adult. My father fought in WWII. Comments like yours Jill and others I will not post here is why this Country stayed in that war. Maybe not why we initially joined it (Pearl Harbor), but we eventually grew a conscience. I do wish Lynn you had left her attack up. She made my argument for me.
    Now, Let’s get back to I HATE JILL ZARIN

    • anniieee says:

      smiley face

    • kitkat says:

      For what it’s worth Otay, I completely agree with you and am surprised more posters didn’t chime in with support. I was surprised at AnnoyingJill. Her posts always seemed so intelligent to me, as do most of the posters here, and such a stupid, steriotype usually comes from ignorant, uneducated people. I also saw that post directly under her screen name so I didn’t understand her heated denial of having posted it. Weird.

      • AnnoyingJill says:

        Otay was attacking me about a previous post which I didn’t write about Andy Cohen using the term Mazel and other Yiddish words which this poster didn’t like. She took issue with the term “Jewing” which was I used instead of “bargaining” I did write thta post. Otay should have taken her problem with the other poster at that time and not decide that I had written the other post.

        Your first instinct is correct, I am not ignorant or uneducated, it was a poor choice of words on my part.

    • Madame Boudin says:

      Dog with a bone!

  157. Dani says:

    @kikilet: we need a reunion plan. if you dont want these women to win, give me advice.i will use it verbatim and name u on the show. tell your friends…

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! Is this what we have to look forward to on the reunion show. Please make her STOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!

  158. Olivia says:

    Jill taking her audition as Hillary Clinton to St. John’s should be a hoot! Imagine thinking so highly of yourself that the other cast members, whom you have chiseled and gnawed at for the past 12 weeks, would be overwhelmed with gratitude just for your presence?. Can’t get much better than that!

  159. TLM says:

    In the midst of getting lost in the Kelly drama, I think we have all forgotten how this season began, with another freaked out, erratic person who suddenly flipped out on a boat screaming and crying: Ramona. As long as we are discussing Kelly’s mental health issues, I think it is fair to say that, while Ramona has kept things in check so far, she has plenty of her own issues. I have always felt she was bipolar, and that the constant pursuit of pinot grigio is her way of self-medicating. I don’t think she is delusional or paranoid like Kelly, but she is ususally either overjoyed or freaking out, and not much in between.

    Ramona’s outbursts this season on the first boat ride, her talking about Kelly’s breasts to a group and continuing to go on and on despite people telling her to stop, remarks to Jill at the Kodak event and attempt to “out” Luann to Simon and Alex as well as telling Bethenny she had no friends and would probably screw up her relationship with Jason were all inappropriately confrontational and horribly caustic. Yes, Ramona usually apologizes for what she says afterward, but her inability to stop herself from saying very vicious things — many times with a dumb grin on her face — has always disturbed me.

    I think KKB is not the only one who should be confronted at the reunion, but since that happened more recently and overshadowed everything else this season, Andy will probably breeze right past the Ramonacoaster.

    • Olivia says:

      I’m with you. Ramona’s behavior is erratic to say the least. She seems to get away with this outrageous conduct by insisting she is “telling it like it is”. And after Jill does her own number on Ramona, Ramona still insists that they are “friends”. There are times when a scorecard is needed to keep up with these alliances that seem to shift back and forth every couple of episodes.

      Jill managed to disrupt her yacht party, her skincare party, her modeling efforts, and the tennis event yet they are “friends”? Hard to believe that with all the treachery Jill throws out there, anyone would still call her a “friend”. Jill has put down her clothes, her drinking, her wild eyed look, her jewelry line, her husband, and let Lu Ann overhear the personal tirade Ramona aimed at Lu Ann over the Labor Day weekend.

      Hard to believe they are “friends” unless I have a different interpretation of friendship.

      • DarkSonnet says:

        Maybe it is a special category of friendship. Friends you can stab in the back, but not in the “front”? Stab, jab, smile and move on?

        One of the more prevalent social mores of wannabees/never-weres?

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I agree that Ramona is bipolar, spending most of her time at the manic end of the spectrum, but I also think Pinot Grigio is probably the best she can do. If she took psyche meds, she’d gain weight and have no energy. I think she’s doing the best she can.

  160. boston02127 says:

    What happen to Kelly’s “Learn from me” blog last week? This week she’s defending it and laughing about it.
    Nothing says nutso like accusing someone of trying to kill you while eating jellybeans!
    🙂 Have a good day everyone.

  161. Olivia says:

    My friend insists that we are all being “punked” by Bravo. That none of these things are real going back to the “table turning” episode in the NJ franchise. She points out that Kelly never had a real interesting narrative so by offering her the opportunity to “beef” up her creds, she was allowed to act like a manic depressive, unable to control her behavior in order to boost ratings and ensure her placement on this show. She indicates that after the table turning incident, as much as the other cast members declared their “fear” of Danielle, and how “low” she went in creating problems for Dina by way of getting in touch with Dina’s ex husband who may be responsible for the absence of Lexi this season, they all “agreed” to sign up for yet another season of hate.

    She also suggests that the “feud” between Jill and Bethenny was just another reason for Bravo to tout Bethenny’s spin off show and this is all for publicity.

    Not sure if she is on the right track but it does raise some questions.

    • GreatExpectations says:

      @ Olivia I wish it was all an act. But what mother in her right mind would allow herself (not an actor playing a role) be portrayed this way? Someone already rich? Who would sacrifice their good name to raise more money for a museum of antique clothes? I mean really, Kelly would have to be crazy even in that scenario!

      • KLAS says:

        I agree, that wasn’t acting on Kelly’s part. The look on B’s and Alex’s faces indicates to me it was no act.

        • MorgaineSwann says:

          Exactly – look at Alex the day Jill shows up. She went through hell that night.

  162. RileyKitty says:

    Kelly seems to really want us to know she is charitable but once you start publicizing how charitable you are & want recognition for it, that becomes self-serving which to me is the opposite of charitable. I hope that makes sense & comes across like I meant it to.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I SO agree with this, just as she keeps saying how REAL she is and how she has intigrity…she is constantly praising herself, there is nothing lower class than that! If you have to tell people how great you are, chances are you’re not showing them.

    • GreatExpectations says:

      I agree that the claim they are doing this to be charitable only highlights HOW they all want to gain power in NYC society. These ladies all want to be then next Brooke Astor or (in Kelly’s case) Peggy Guggenheim. It’s sad and pathetic really.

  163. otaypanky says:

    Olivia…That is what I was inferring after I viewed the LX interview. It was done after filming and everyone seemed proud of themselves. No one ran into hiding! Watching that interview began to make me feel manipualted as a viewer. I know parts are scripted. I know they plan and get these women together at events, but I’d like to think it somewhat ends there and the actual interactions are not scripted. I don’t know. Alot does not sit right with me.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Otay: did you see my post to you at 7:56 above when you posted about this earlier? I think there’s a context to that interview in that it was very early and before the shit hit the fan as the season played out.

    • Olivia says:

      Think of it this way: it takes a lot of planning to film these episodes in public places. You have to get permission, have signed agreements, write in indemnity clauses, and then bring in the crew. The crew must at least have two camera people, sound engineers, a director to plan out the scenes while disrupting the flow of customers from restaurants and fashion shows. I don’t think the words are scripted but the staging belongs to those behind the scenes who craft the event.

      What comes to mind in particular are the scenes between Bethenny on the street corner and Jill in her living room arguing back and forth about the break in their friendship. How was that done simultaneously without advanced preparation? Who could be sure that Jill was at home with Lu Ann by her side and the scene shows Bethenny stepping out of a moving car to make this call on the street? Something is not right here with the supposed “spontaneity” that this scene suggests.

      Just saying.

      That scene had to be set up in advance when just considering the NYC traffic and being allowed to film on the street without causing a pile up. Yet there are no passersby during that exchange.

      • eye2try says:

        interesting point. I feel duped.

        • Olivia says:

          Now I am beginning to think of myself as a “conspiracy” advocate but here is another one that makes little sense unless it was “set up”:

          Alex is the most balanced of the cast but she adds little to no drama to the series. They instruct her to go after Jill at Ramona’s event and she does. Even though they basically tune her out for the first 10 minutes, she is still determined to say something that essentially makes no sense at that particular time. She then “blurts” it out but the meaning is lost since it looks more “rehearsed” than spontaneous. Alex is given a “boost” by the viewers for telling off Jill and thus ensures herself a role as the one who has held it in but now displays more blood and guts going forward.

          The same could be said for Kelly. She adds nothing but sheer stupidity so she is “encouraged” to go after Bethenny in an attempt to “defend Jill”. But based on Kelly’s past inability to process, and her outright stupidity to boot, she goes much too far. It appears that she has lost her mind but it may be nothing more than the producers offering encouragement (along with Rotten Jill) and she overreacts and overacts which looks bizarre. Could be why she is still “twittering” since she was only acting on behalf of the producers to ensure her own place in line for next season.

          Just thoughts that now keep bubbling to the surface when reviewing past episodes built around “conflict” that makes no sense.

          • MorgaineSwann says:

            I have no doubt that people encouraged Kelly’s dislike of Bethenny, but that was a real breakdown. I don’t think anybody would accuse someone of trying to kill them multiple times, or channeling the devil, if they were sane, even for ratings.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Of course the producers set up the scene. They were filming at Jill’s so they knew she was there. She was filming with LuAnn at her apt. Jill says part of her anger at the producers was that the producers set her up because she wasn’t expecting a phone call from Bethenny. Bethenny has said IIRC that the producers suggested she stop and call Jill to set up a meeting. Don’t know if she knew they also were filming at Jill’s. They don’t always film both sides of a convo. They evidently didn’t block off the street, halt traffic or stop pedestrians. B’s car was parked, ahead of it a truck pulls over & stops to unload, there are passersby.

        The clip: http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/videos/the-phone-call

        • Hooked On Housewives says:

          @Need A Hobby

          I think this piece of vid was the one that actually sealed Jillousy’s fate with me. She was so smug. I wanted to reach through the screen and rip her head off her neck. What a piece of shit. So glad the tables turned on Jillousy like they did. Jillousy was so smug and smarmy when she had Bethenny crying and chasing behind her trying to re-establish their friendship. I just want to smack Jillousy so hard that Bawby feels it.

      • kizarny says:

        I’ve worked in film and television (not TOO distant past), it doesn’t take all that long to secure locations. All of the contracts and clauses have been hammered out a long time before by legal departments, the locations manager and scouts carry photocopies with them when they’re out and about. The sound equipment is often loaded onto the camera equipment and that reduces your crew, with battery packs, to two guys suited up and maybe another couple of people to run the actual location details.

        The lack of people in the street can mean that they held the crowd back for a few minutes while the camera was rolling on conversation and then let them pass, taking turns much like the flagman for construction. Another option is to just post notice that there will be filming going on and if you end up on camera, it’s your own damn fault and don’t expect to get paid as an extra (only they say it much more nicely).

        People are surprisingly accommodating for film crews. A guerilla camera crew on the streets can usually get away without permits if they work quickly and this show has the administrative infrastructure of Bravo to take care of all of that paperwork.

        I’m not saying that it’s not scripted in any way, I’m just saying that the FACT that they’re shooting it doesn’t really count as evidence for me based on my experience.

      • MorgaineSwann says:

        The producers probably communicate things to each other they don’t share with the cast. I’m sure a producer chose the time for Bethenny to call Jill, and knew Jill and LuAnn were together, but the cast didn’t necessarily know what they knew.

        • Need a Hobby says:

          I just remembered, it was a bravo producer tweeting during the talkbubble for that episode who said they had suggested/asked B to make the call to set up a meeting with Jill. The producer said they had no idea the call would turn out the way it did.

  164. Ellabean says:

    Another observation about Kelly Meltdown at the dinner:

    With her running around crazy -like barefoot in that purple shiny silk slip dress with the crazy ratty hair….did anybody else think of “Fatal Atraction”? Uh – as in Glenn Close portraying the character ‘Alex’ who eventually lost her mind – became paranoid, delusional, and ran around in that ivory shiny slip dress barefoot…with the big crazy ratty hair. With large knife , of course, running after Michael Douglas and his wife…oh and the rabbit.

    Yep . Bet they hid the kitchen knives at the villa that night.

    • error 404 says:

      was that a dress? It looked like she was wearing her nightgown to dinner. The unkempt hair and lack of accessories didn’t help.

      • MiaKulpa says:

        I thought it was a nightgown too. When she lumbered down the hall I was reminded of a sasquatch.

  165. patsyloveslynn says:

    iceNfire: testing. I think I did it

  166. otaypanky says:

    Need a Hobby: Yes I did and I had enquired as to the timing of this interview and the airing of Season 3. I think you mentioned the interview was done early March and that would have been about the same time Season 3 began airing…correct?
    Anyway, I do hope you’re right. Otherwise, we have all truly been punked.

  167. iceNfire says:

    Too many comments diagnosing a mental problem. Too many comments on alleged drug/alcohol abuse. Too many comments of alleged sexual abuse. Even a comment suggesting a 72 hour hold. This is all just speculation and imo quite boring.
    I Hate Jill and here’s one reason why. In the preview titled “Kelly’s side of the story” Kelly is ranting about how Bethenny claims to be a cook. If you listen closely you’ll hear Jill say “but isn’t that just stooping down to her level” But when Luann jumps in and says she has friends who have hired Bethenny, Jill immediately switches gears and defends Bethenny. Jill is a bitch who will join whatever side sounds the best in the moment. I wouldn’t put it past her to wear a Team Bryn shirt to the reunion.

  168. ilovelynn says:

    ok, short of you coming to nj, I need my computor geek friend to help me. I got on the page per you instructions, thanks, but stupid wordpress won’t let me change my username so I tried to open a new acct. you know what, forget it! too much time was spent on this by you. I apologize! I think I’ll stick with I love lynn if I didn’t screw that up too! thanks again.

  169. ilovelynn says:

    sorry, that last comment was for my new bff, iceNfire!

  170. ilovelynn says:

    OMG! I just scrolled up and found patsyloveslynn! now I think I have 2 accounts because I gave my husbands office email address to wordpress. oy. thank you iceNfire!

    but this comment is under ilovelynn, uh oh, now I get it! I’ll only be able to comment under patsyloveslynn if I do it from my husbands computor at his law office. double oy! this is when wordpress should have an 800 # . is there one, lynn?

    • RileyKitty says:

      Patsy, you don’t have to be at your husbands office to post under that username you just have to log out of the one you are using at home (ilovelynn) & sign in under the one you want. But it would just have been much easier to change your display name. Your display name (the one we see when you post) doesn’t have to match your user name.

  171. RileyKitty says:

    Come on, iceNfire, a chef works in restaurant LOL. Kiki has top notch logic.

    I totally agree with you again. (Were we separated at birth?) Jill was ready to bash Bethenny again, but once LuAnn was basically like I don’t like Bethenny either but she is a chef Jill started back pedalling. With all the back pedalling Jill has been doing she should have killer calf muscles LOL. If LuAnn hadn’t been there to show her disapproval of Kelly calling Beth a ho-bag, Jill would have been nodding in agreement to that as well.

  172. iceNfire says:

    ilovelynn – You CANNOT change your USER name! Change your DISPLAY name! Oh Good God what am I to do with this child of yours? lol

    • iceNfire says:

      No apology necessary, happy to help. Double click my name if you want to go practice page. i saw you tried to change your gravitar too. It doesn’t have to be from wordpress you can choose whatever you want. If you need help, I’m here or there (practice page) lol

  173. A former Jill fan says:

    The show isn’t scripted; these women are not actors. How they interact with each other is totally their own responsibility. Andy has said that and so have the housewives. Something like “we are not acting.” and “What you see is real.” has been repeated over and over.

    Jill has been saying otherwise trying to make viewers believe that everything is contrived to try to improve her image. She said something to the effect of: We were told by Bravo to bring on the drama or lose the apple. Andy said that wasn’t true. So Jill lied again.

    Andy stood up to Jill then, I expect him to call her out during the reunion.

    Some of us have noticed that there seems to be some behind the scenes damage control being attempted probably by those needing damage control. It is stepped up probably because of taping of the reunion show next week.

    Everyone has a right to believe what you will about the “scripted” vs “nonscripted” issue.

    Either way, Jill is still a horrible person and she can take kelly with her.

  174. boston02127 says:

    @TLM~~I like Ramona. I don’t think she has mean intentions. I think what you see is what you get with her. I think she tries hard to better herself and her life. She taken a lot of slack from everyone.
    I also think the reason people like Sonja is because shes’s shiny and new. Wait.

    • TLM says:

      I think you mean she’s taken a lot of *flack*, not slack, which would mean people let Ramona slide. I actually do think people have let Ramona slide after each incident and don’t seem to hold grudges against her. I don’t get why. She is one of the sharpest-tongued people on the show.

      I don’t know how you can say someone “doesn’t have mean intentions” when that person has to know what they are saying is hurtful. At some point, you have to take responsibility for for what you say. I was surpised, like Olivia, that Ramona calls herself Jill’s friend, but made remarks like she thought Jill was blackballed from Saks and made fun of her dress behind her back. The Saks remark was never substantiated and in fact, if Jill had such a problem with Saks, why would they want her to host a party for them? I just thought it was a little vicious to say you’re someone’s friend but then be spreading rumors like that. Likewise, Jill made fun of Ramona at the Brooklyn fashion show and attacked her for “not having matching jewelry”. What? How does a blue stone not go with a black dress? And then she ducked out on Ramona after the show. I have a hard time understanding how Jill and Ramona have stayed friends.

      • mia says:

        I don’t think they are friends as much as they share a bunch of the same friends so they have history and for the most part try to forgive and forget quickly. I have someone like that in my life. We mutually dislike each other but we share so many close friends and have known each other so long, that by now we’ve accepted that we have to tolerate each other.

        I understand what you are saying about mean intentions. Some of us really try to monitor what we say and are conscious about the power of language so its hard to justify how others can say cruel things without meaning for it to bite. That said what do you think if Bethenny’s intentions?

      • Lbmonsta says:

        People don’t hold grudges with Ramona because she doesn’t say things with a malicious intent. She’s not keeping a list of rights & wrongs like someone else we all know; she says what she says, owns it, moves on and releases it. Great thing about Ramona, you always know where you stand. Another great thing about Ramona, she doesn’t hold a grudge against you for someone else – like Kelly does for Jill.

    • error 404 says:

      disagree and disagree.

      Jen is new, but not shinny at all. She’s deadly dull in fact. A total snore fest. People like Sonja cause she’s likable thus far.

      Ramona and Kelly have one thing in common: they feel under attack so they lash out. Both have that habit. The difference is that once she’s out of the situation and calm, Ramona see the reality and apologizes often. Kelly refuses to even entertain the idea that she could be anything but 100% right at all times, and the words “I am sorry” have never passed through her lips once.

  175. RileyKitty says:

    @A former Jill fan- the funny thing is that during the season 1 reunion JILL proclaimed all proud that you can’t blame editing what you see is what you get. I think once she starts using editing as an excuse then Andy should show that clip from season 1 & shut her the hell up. Can’t have it both ways, Jill.

  176. A former Jill fan says:

    Amen to that RileyKitty.

  177. Anitabee says:

    Bravo should show Jill’s part on the Kelly Meltdown.

    If there was any channeling going on in that trip it was Jill taking possession of part of Kelly’s mind. Kelly was fighting Jill’s fight. She blew up at Alex (who Jill is mad at) and she went after Bethenny like a bitch with a bone.

    Jill is gross, vile and disgusting. She is way worse than Kelly. And even though I haven’t seen an film on RHONY it is obvious that there was a lot of behind the scenes action that took place before the trip with the twat trio of Jill, LuAnn and Kelly.

    Also Sonja blog mentions that she was entrusted with Kelly (by who? Jill? LuAnn?) and was there to help protect Kelly. Too bad she didn’t know it was to protect Kelly from herself.

    Come on Bravo — show the truth. Who put Kelly up to this? Lord I wish they would show those phone calls between Jill and Kelly in their entirety.

    Also, don’t you think Kelly was a little nuts/jealous about Jill constantly asking about Bethenny? Jill is an evil behind the scene manipulator.

    I hate Jill Zarin.

    • The Digger says:

      Yes. This. Kelly was on a mission led by Jill and all the phone calls were briefings.

  178. Anitabee says:

    The most distrubing actions I have seen that Kelly does is make those “crazy” sounds as if she is a woman becoming unhinged.

    Did you hear the sounds she makes running down the hallway to go get Jelly beans? It scared me more than watching ‘Paranormal Activity” the movie. Then there were those noises she makes after trying to leave Bethenny after the “I’m up here and you’re down there” fiaso last year. She keeps calling Bethenny crazy while making those strange noises.

    I know we are not doctors but something in our instincts would tell us to cross the street if we saw someone doing that in real life.

  179. Zip It! says:

    AnnoyingJill – you’re a lot like Kelly – you don’t see the consequences of your own behavoir and the shit spewing out of your mouth

  180. deehub says:

    Young children with autism may growl or make other noises. They will also stem (flapping hands or objects) to calm down. Kelly’s hair playing is an action that calms her.

  181. maryann says:

    Lynn, love your blog! Thanks for all the hard work keeping me entertained over the last few weeks…..Now I am even following you on Twitter! I guess this is now my new “hobby” LOL. I do want to say one thing though and it may have already been said. Kelly DOES have proof of Bethanny putting stuff about her and her children in the press….didn’t anyone hear that??? She said to Sonya, “who else could it be??” Sounds like logical, sound reasoning, doesn’t it?? NOT!!

  182. ilovelynn says:

    iceNfire: thanks for trying, but most computor stuff is gobbly gook to me. I will get my friend here to help. she will understand everyone’s directions. I swear I tried everything, but what can I say, computor challenged! you should see me trying to program a remote control…breaking in cold sweat! mr. patsyloveslynn is worst than
    me, so no help there! I’ll let it go and for now I’ll still be ilovelynn. thanks also to Riley/Kitty. p.s. I need a teenager living here. my kids are all in their 40’s and live out of state! LOL

    • iceNfire says:

      A very long time ago I had my computer in pieces, literally pieces all over my desk. I struggled for about 2 hours before my (then) 12 year old told me to take a break and he’d work on it. 30 minutes later it was all put back together and running properly. Funny thing is that I was the one to teach my kids about computers in the 1st place and they had to nerve to surpass me at age 12. lol

  183. iceNfire says:

    LOL a couple days ago someone on Luann’s facebook asked her if she and Kelly were sisters. I posted, “Yes and Jill is their mother.”
    I just got this in my email.
    Countess LuAnn de Lesseps commented on their status:
    “Amy, Kelly and I are not sisters. Thanks for writing!”
    LOL Why did she even reply?

  184. TLM says:

    Did anyone think it was hilarious that Jill said The Countess would have had her limo drive right by the Brooklyn fashion show because it was too low-rent, yet Luann is seen enthusiastically walking arm in arm with Coerte to that hellhole Chinese bar that makes Skid Row look like the Met? With trashbags piled up to the sky, and a sign overhead that looks like a cheap Chinese takeout restaurant in the middle of Compton? Every time I see that clip, with Coerte telling her how Chinese gang wars took place there, and then it was an opium den, I can’t stop laughing. Gee, I’ve always dreamed of a first date that takes place in an authentic Chinese gang war hangout — and has kept its authentic gangland atmosphere! Bravo has apparently blown the lid off the seedy places the Countess has been lurking around in her free time, including that dive bar she went with her niece to a couple seasons ago and acted all shocked about the sex shop window with vibrators, joking with her 20-something niece. That scene made my flesh crawl in the same way Bethenny felt creeped out by Luann in the beginning of Season 3. I guess Luann really had Jill fooled with her “Countessness” act, to the point where Luann would never deign to stop in Brooklyn, even though the homes there are well over $1 million, Alex and Simon have a “real” house, and the Countess apparently can only afford to rent a small apartment. I’m kinda grossed out by her apparent double life, meeting with greasy weirdos like Coerte and the albino mohawk producer dude. And she evidently thinks these guys are cool. To quote Bethenny, I feel like I need a bath.

    • mia says:

      In new york these sort of hidden restaurants and bars are considered very cool. And the more inconspicuous and least expected of places the cooler. Some of them you need a phone number to get into. They may change the phone number every few months and only give it out to a list of people.

      • otaypanky says:

        I live in Manhattan and know that dear. The posts are in response to I HATE JILL ZARIN AND LUMANN COMMENTS.
        Thank you.

        • mia says:

          Huh? I was only mentioning it bc a few people thought Apotheke was a weird place for Coerte to take her. I didn’t mean to be condescending, I just thought that maybe some of those that don’t live in NY might want to know that although it may not be the coolest place ever, its not exactly embarrassing date location either. And they are older so it was probably fun for Luanne to go downtown and do something different.

          • KLAS says:

            Thanks, Mia, for pointing out the restaurant situation in New York. I didn’t think you were condescending at all.

          • Stella says:

            I didn’t know. Thanks for the information. I will say I thought of that snobbish Jill comment also about the countess driving by because of the garbage and then seeing it outside of the bar. I attributed it to Jill just being trying to put down the fashion show. I hate Jill Zarin!

      • TLM says:

        Hi Mia. I’m in Philadelphia, and this is one of the aspects of New York that makes me laugh hysterically. I can see how the Countless is the perfect foil for this false and contrived exclusivity, being that she has been knocked down a few pegs since the divorce, and desperately, almost pathetically, needs to feel important and kowtowed to. She practically broke down when Jill told her she was “born a Countess,” because Jill is the only one buying her bull***t anymore (or at least telling her what she wants to hear).

        Tell someone something’s exclusive, and I guess the idiots with uber-money who are ever seeking a new high come running. Personally, I’d rather go to a diner or other “ordinary” place where I know there’s good food, prices are reasonable, and I like the atmosphere (ie it’s unpretentious). I don’t need to feel like no one knows about the place to feel important or derive my self-esteem. The Eldridge also looked like a dump to me, and I read several reviews about it by people who went there and felt the same (I haven’t been there, just saw it on RH for Koo-Koo’s “magazine party.”) The owner thought he’d open a hole in the wall with just a few tables and create some kind of exclusivity. Apparently it was hot for 5 minutes until the glitterati decided it was no longer where the cool kids were going, and had moved on to something else. I just find it sad. Good places don’t need gimmicks, tricks or secrecy to thrive as a business.

        • mia says:

          haha fair enough. I like some of those places, but I see your point. It is a gimmick, and I think the few places I do like, would do just as well without being hidden.

          Speaking of bars, my favorite bar is in Philadelphia not New York. Do you ever go to South Wark? I’ve only been there a few times, cause its pretty pricey by the end of the night, but its a beautiful space.

          Also Coerte is creepy, and from what I’ve read about his books, hes a misogynist as well.

          • TLM says:

            No, never been there, but I’ll have to check it out sometime! Maybe some of us in the area can have an IHJZ bloggers’ club dinner. 😉

    • GreatExpectations says:

      I also wonder if anyone has seen Coerte’ wiki page? He went to Dartmouth (which doesn’t have a General Studies program) and got his MFA from Columbia and had a novel made into a Hollywood movie. He is sort of like a Brett Easton Ellis type in their crowd.

      Also, having gone to school at an Ivy I can tell you that does make me people suave or cool. They can be very ridiculous and my roommate freshmen year, was just like Kelly and she got straight A’s. Some women just act that way for attention. She was a nightmare to live with and the college would not change my rooms. My roommate started dealing marijuana and yet looked down on me because I listened to grunge music (before it had become known outside the Pacific Northwest where I was from) and she was the avid Catholic sorority girl, too. Completely off her rocker.

      • GreatExpectations says:

        Sorry, I meant to say does NOT make people sauve or cool. Still drinking my first cuppa.

    • Dani says:

      But what I thought was hilarious about that scene is when LuAnn walks into the bar and says “wow it does look like a opium den.” I wonder how many opium den’s she has been to in her life? I don’t think going to a opium den is very classy. The scene made my flesh crawl as well. That Coerte is really strange.

  185. Quincy IL says:

    Bravo seems to be really going after Jill right now. They showed her in that jewelry shop, in the skating rink and going to the island to meet with Kelly’s torturers. All of these scenes are showing Jill in a negative light.

    I am afraid that Jill will push Alex out of the show and that would make me very sad. Jill already pushed Bethenny out. Jill is a horrible person.

  186. Zarout! says:

    How much would you like to bet that at least one of the “ladies” either walks off or threatens to walk off of the set while filming the reunion show? I wouldn’t put it past Jill to pull a Vicki and say that she’s “not doing this.” If Andy does in fact put her in the hot seat (which I highly doubt he will – I think he will let her off super easy), she won’t be able to handle it (especially if she doesn’t have her mother there to hold her hand like she did on WWHL).

    • Ellabean says:

      Smart prediction Zareout – I bet you are right. Someone will grandstand and threaten to walk off the reunion show…..

      Most assuredly – Jill, Kelly, LuAnn – will be using the final reunion show to redeem their character – and doing major full-on damage control on their public reputations….

  187. A former Jill fan says:

    Kelly seems absolutely lucid in that video to me. She may really have been upset on the island, but that erratic behavior wasn’t acting nor was it normal. Everybody went out of their way to include her and try to be nice to her and Kelly was the one initiating all the trouble. I hate to think nothing is wrong with her mentally and that she’s so extremely immature and childish to have simply thrown a tantrum.

    Main point: if nothing is wrong with Kelly mentally, physically or due to outside influences, then she harbors a great deal of hatred and jealousy of Bethenny and showed it during the trip.

    Kelly doesn’t win either way–either she has a serious problem and needs help or her hatred and jealousy of Bethenny is so all-consuming that Kelly stooped to outright lying about such things as Bethenny trying to kill her and harm her children.

    Lose-lose situation all around.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      It’s not at all uncommon for a person to seem perfectly normal for long periods of time between psychotic episodes. The thing is, you never know what will trigger them, especially if it’s caused by faulty brain chemistry.

  188. A former Jill fan says:

    I’m writing the sponsors today. Letting them know that I won’t watch the show or buy their products as long as Jill and Kelly remain on the show and why.

    I’ve got the shows taped so that will be easy enough to find the sponsors, but wasn’t there a list posted before? If anyone has it could you post it here again? Wouldn’t want to miss any. 🙂 TIA!

  189. A former Jill fan says:

    I wonder if there will be more spikes in the sales raking of jill’s book this week, specifically Wednesday? LOL! You can order up to 100 copies of the book at a time. 😉

    • A former Jill fan says:

      Nope, I was wrong. I just checked that again and you can order more, a lot more. I tried up to 500 qty. 😉

      • iceNfire says:

        I had the list of sponsors but deleted it, sorry. I believe it included Kodak, Crocs, Lysol, LiveUnited, Hersheys, Toyota, and sorry I’m having a Jill moment. My Notes! My Notes!

  190. Adgirl says:

    I don’t think it’s all fake. Exaggerated, maybe. If conflicts are staged wouldn’t this group insist on arguing over something more flattering? Like who gets to be the Chairwoman for Sternum Protrusion Disorder?
    Just watched the LXTV BRA interview from March. Kelly is certainly selective about what she remembers. She doesn’t feel at all that her behavior was inappropriate or extreme. It’s all about how she was ganged up on. She was cool as cucumber (heh. Kelly: “How cool are cucumbers?”). She seems perfectly ok and calm. Bygones!

    I’m sure Jill & Lulu are weirded out by last week’s episode. They probably assumed “meltdown” was hyperbole. Nope.

    I’m dying to know what people in Kelly’s fashion crowd are saying about his!!!!

    • GreatExpectations says:

      I want to hear from Kelly’s crowd, too! She seems to limit contact with people to only 5 minutes at parties, so maybe they just don’t know her that well, anyway?

      • MorgaineSwann says:

        That’s what I think. Kelly’s interactions with people are brief and shallow. She’s in, says hi, says bye, she’s out.

  191. A former Jill fan says:

    I put it to you that jill didn’t push anyone out. Bravo gave Bethenny her own show due to her popularity, not only on the show, but with her own business. Bethenny made a name for herself without any help from Jill.

    Jill had no influence over that whatsoever. jill doesn’t have that much power, except in her own mind, that is. LOL! Neither does Jill have the power to push Alex out.

    Bravo would lose one of the most valuable assets they have on the show now if they lost Alex and Simon. Their popularity is growing while Jill’s is hitting all time lows. In fact, so is Ramona’s and Sonja’s popularity–growing that is. I used to hate Ramona for most of the first two seasons because of Jill. But near the end of season 2, and it was actually when Jill told Bethenny to leave at that charity event, is when I started looking harder at them all.

    I also have a feeling that Jennifer isn’t someone who Jill can easily pull around by the nose. We will see, I guess.

    The only ones that need to go are Jill and Kelly. They’ve both dragged down the show to all time lows.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      ITA. Jill was warmed by the glow from Bethenny. Once she got nasty with Bethenny, people started seeing whom she really is on her own. Alex and Simon are willing to participate with people and promote the show. That’s valuable. Jill only promotes herself and she irritates people.

  192. iceNfire says:

    Kelly Hates Bethenny because B knows how to speak. Plain and Simple. Remember?

    • austin1963 says:

      Knew she was ALWAYS a crazy bitch. Nothing new there, but did illustrate how nuts and what an ass Kelly always has been. Thanks for posting the reminder.

      Like has been pointed our earlier, I don’t think “crazy” and “bitch” are mutually exclusive. I think she’s clearly both.

  193. Patsy's Boys says:

    iceNfire: can I send for your son!LOL.

    I’ll say it again, if andy cohen does not question these ladies on all their antics(namely luann, kelly and of course jill) this season I will scream! what’s the use of having a reunion show if nothing gets resolved. please, please, please let bethenny be there! then jill will shut up. I think by now she is intimidated by bethenny and realizes that the “get a hobby” comment doesn’t fly anymore, nor the “bobby’s throat was slit from ear to ear” story.(while she was galavanting around in the hamptons!) I also think the other posters are correct in that luann has started back pedaling big time.
    lets stop dwelling on whether or not kelly is crazy, off her meds, should be on meds, or just plain mean! it’s more fun to listen to (read?) you guys come up with stuff on jill because we KNOW she’s a certified bitch. about. everything.

  194. Adgirl says:

    Bravo did not give Alex (&/or Simon) mush screen time this year. I think it was Bravo’s thinking that they were dull and not very popular, so maybe time to ease them out.
    Bravo maybe surprised right now not just by the negative audience reaction towards Jill & Kelly but the warmth towards Alex.

    Yeah Alex!

  195. Adgirl says:

    damn – wish we could edit our posts. meant “much” – not mush!!

  196. celeste says:

    Just a thought, but Jill is a bully and a coward. She always takes Bawby with her when she’s about to confront someone and I’m sure she’s already warned Andy Cohen that if he asks about amazongate or any other ‘awkward’ questions, she’ll walk out or sue bravo. She’s prolly got a lawyer with her for the entire reunion show too….just in case. Gawd I HATE JILL ZARIN AND KELLY KILMORON BENSOMIN.

    • eye2try says:

      I believe Andy may ask about Amazongate, just to give Jill the opportunity to deny it. And then we will all be even more frustrated because Andy will not push the issue. arghhhhh!

      • mamecastle says:

        I posted a question about Amzongate on Bravo & Andy’s FB page. I am so hoping she has to answer for this! She is a bitch, no doubt, but does she deny being a liar? As to Kelly, as always, I don’t think she’s crazy, I just think she’s a spoiled tweaker who has been allowed to think she can do no wrong for too long.

  197. anniieee says:

    kelly is on right now….zitt zitttt zitttt very weird sounds… she just called B a hobag and Sonja said.”you really do have a problem!” Can’t wait for the cat piss scene..

  198. TLM says:

    My post to JZ’s latest blog on Bravotv.com:

    How you can say you don’t feel connected to what happened this season is beyond me. You were front and center in the most controversial scenes this year, with the exception of Kelly’s recent breakdown.

    I used to respect and even like you, but I am tired of the lack of accountability on your part and your childish antics. And the shameless plugs worked into your “blogs” that you apparently think are so subtle aren’t helping either.

    In the beginning of the season, I wrote a post that said I hoped you and Bethenny would make up. I have long since felt that it’s better for her to move on with her life, and I also feel that if it weren’t for Bethenny enjoying her new family and success, you would not have had the sudden urge and revelation that you should be friends again. I feel like the only thing you are concerned about is status and keeping score, and quite honestly I think Bethenny, Jason and their baby are well rid of you. Hopefully you have learned to be more accepting and less judgmental of people in your future relationships.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I hope they approve your comment. It’s dead on!

      • mamecastle says:

        Good bloody luck! One in ten of mine makes it onto Bravo’s site, plus- I think this week they are even more tightly guarded.

  199. GreatExpectations says:

    I think that when Kelly is referring to Bethenny attacking her girls that she has decided a blogger or commentator on a site like this is Bethenny. I have been accused of being B (I am not) and many others have been accused of being Kelly or Jill. I think that this is evidence that Kelly reads these comments (or her staff reads pertinent ones to her) and has jumped to the conclusion that this is all Bethenny. Kelly has shown herself very resistant to the idea (even with video tape broadcast nationally) that she ever does anything wrong. Maybe, this is the only explanation for all the haters on line that makes sense to her.

  200. boston02127 says:

    @ TML ~~ Thanks for trying to correct me but where I come from we call it “slack”.

    • iceNfire says:

      I had to scroll all the way up to 10:58 am to figure out this one. lol

    • TLM says:

      I’m confused…are you saying “slack” is giving someone a hard time, or letting things pass?

      I went to school in Boston and was never aware of the “slack/flack” flip between there and Philadelphia, but I suppose stranger things have happened…

      • boston02127 says:

        TML ~~ Yes.
        “slack” would be use like so:
        “I’m not taking any slack from them” (crap)
        I’ve lived here all my life and I’ve been told we use a lot of slang words. Sorry to confuse you.

  201. A former Jill fan says:

    Good point Celeste. jill does attack viciously from unseen places. Rumors, innuendos, backhanded compliments, insults and making faces behind people’s backs, fake identities, fake emails…

    A bully and a coward.

    Andy Cohen, call this bully out!

  202. couchon says:

    I have been in the company of an adult who was prescribed Adderal and ignored the no alcohol warning on the bottle. Not a recipe to repeat or you will become stagnant-frenetic. This could be the magic formula for Kellade. However I’m just a cook not a chef. I would like to send Jillousy something to chew on during the reunion show. Any ideas?

    • Adgirl says:

      I have been asking about Adderall too. Ever since the meth coke speculation. Adderall or similar prescribed speed for congnitive problems makes a lot of sense. No guilt, no mess no questions when transporting. No sniffing or smoking it.
      “Dr Feel Smart gives me medication! That is not doing drugs!!!! biiee!”

  203. Squirrels says:

    Although I’m 1/2 afraid to watch it, could someone pls post the March interview? I’ll have a go at it right after I pray the rosary. It’s best to get permission to cuss nimrods before you do it, right? lol

  204. otaypanky says:

    Mia: May I ask your question ie “What do you think of Bethenny’s intentions” with a question?
    What do you think of Bethenny’s intentions?

    • otaypanky says:

      obviously, should have said may I “answer” your question.

    • mia says:

      Haha. Fair enough. Honestly, I don’t have a set view of her intentions with all of her remarks because I think it changes given what she says and who she is talking about. I think sometimes she says things in good fun, and i think she sometimes says things in hopes they would bite a little.

      She can be harsh. And I have been shocked by things she’s said, but I think because of her past she has thick skin, and sometimes she may not understand that not everyone does. Bottom line though: I don’t think she’s a cruel person.

      I only asked because i think it was TLM that said she doesn’t buy the whole “they may say mean things but are good intentioned” thing. And for the most part I agree with TLM, but I think all people suffer from jokes falling flat, or word “vomit” so I’ll assume someone is good intentioned unless the chronically prove otherwise (ie Jill)

      • morning says:

        “I think because of her past she has thick skin, and sometimes she may not understand that not everyone does. Bottom line though: I don’t think she’s a cruel person.”
        Absolutely agree.

  205. GreatExpectations says:

    @ Adgirl I agree about more Alex & Simon time. They are way more fun to watch. Some storylines: how Alex is doing in this economy. She referenced it a bit in her “You are a mean girl and I am in Brooklyn” comment to Jill. Also, I know she grew up in partly in Virgin Islands. Why not have her visit old family friends and some nostalgic pics of her as a child on the beach? I often thought that was why they went there in the off season. I know my friends who are from Hawaii never want to visit during the height of tourist season. Of course, I understand “the season” in St. Barts has a different connotation.

  206. A former Jill fan says:

    couchon, how about sending Jill a sassy?

    AKA, a pacifier.

    LOL! 😛

  207. A former Jill fan says:

    I think people have given Ramona a lot of slack because Ramona owns up to her verbal mistakes a lot of the time and she doesn’t hold grudges. Also, that is her way and people get used to her going off on these tangents. Guess they take it with a grain of salt.

    With Ramona’s background of abuse, maybe some of that quick anger comes through as a verbal assault and while she’s not physically abusive, that is how her father’s influence has manifested itself in her. I’m just speculating though. You can’t hardly live with someone with a quick temper (let alone physical abuse) without it affecting you negatively in some way. Guess that’s sort of an obvious statement.

    • TLM says:

      I agree about Ramona, but that’s why I think it’s particularly nasty when she calls people “brain dead” or says “you have no brain”. I wonder if R grew up being told that herself, and I worry that if she’ll say that to Jill and Kelly without a problem (and we’re all usually on our good behavior with friends and not family), does she say that to her daughter Avery? How is it that she can tell people they have no brain, but suddenly be taken aback by hearing “zip it”?

      I grew up in a situation not unlike Ramona’s, and that is precisely why what she does makes me cringe. How can she not be more self-aware? I would never talk to other people that way because of the ugliness I was exposed to, even someone I was angry with. I might instead tell them they are being rude, or they aren’t making sense. You can be forthright with people without being abusive or name-calling.

      Ironically, when Ramona told Kelly she had no brain, Kelly was actually being the rational one, and Ramona, as an invited guest, had insulted Jill and Kodak, and made a scene.

      Ramona has said she has been through therapy, and I don’t doubt that she is a damaged person from her early home life. I feel for her. But that doesn’t excuse her from punishing people with her wild mood swings. She can go from being an extremely sensitive and kind person, like when she spoke to Bethenny on her way to the airport to see her dying father, to being absolutely vicious and cruel, when she told Bethenny she had no friends and would screw up her relationship with Jason. If I were B, I could not have just brushed that off.

      Does anyone remember Ramona’s acting crazy because Simon was at Jill’s dinner party, and then getting up in the middle of dinner to leave, saying she wanted a girls’ night out, and so she was leaving for a girls’ night out (and damn everyone else)? I think people honestly couldn’t decide if she was crazy or just mean. Like Bethenny said, she wasn’t going to stop her jabs at Simon until he was dead. And then there was a subsequent dinner Jill invited Ramona to where she showed up late, didn’t bother to call, kept everyone waiting and I don’t think she even apologized? If I were Jill, I would have started dinner when I was ready to start dinner; I’d be damned if I would have held everyone up for her. I felt it was very passive-aggressive on Ramona’s part, which is why she always seems to have this weird grin on her face when she does these things. She grinned when she told Simon & Alex that Luann didn’t want them to come to her party, she grinned when she told Jill that Kodak was antiquated, and she was grinning as she told everyone, “Kelly’s breasts go this way and that way” as she pointed her index fingers in opposite directions, and she grinned when she announced she was leaving for “girls night out.” I find that a bizarre expression to have on your face when you’re saying something you know is serious or hurtful.

      Everyone seems to think it’s cute and funny that Ramona “needs an IV of Pinot Grigio” hooked up to her arm, but seriously, why does she need to drink so much? Is it to calm the manic part of her personality? It isn’t uncommon for bipolar patients to self-medicate with alcohol, pot, or other drugs.

      • MorgaineSwann says:

        80% of bipolar patients have some form of addiction. It’s very common to self-medicate. I know a lot about BPD and Ramona is almost certainly afflicted with it, but she’s very high functioning. If she can use the Pinot Grigio to chill out, and the people around her can handle the occasional manic episode, and she doesn’t have dangerous depressive episodes, then she’s very lucky. She’s learned to defend her behavior by saying she’s honest and why would anybody care, but then when she comes back down, she realizes what she did and apologizes. She doesn’t seem to have other manic behaviors, so if I were she, I’d keep doing what she’s doing.

  208. otaypanky says:

    Mia: Contrary to Jill’s claims that she was responsible for getting B off the show, the truth is B earned her own spin off show.
    In answer to your question re: What is B’s responsibility in all of this. I don’t know, What do you think?
    Re: Your posts re: Sending of cards to Jill is not nice. We all agreed each to his/her own.
    Keep the questions coming. This site is loaded with fans and someone will always be able to answer you questions, queries and educate in your all around too studied naivete…

    • mia says:

      I’m not exactly sure what you are referring to. I don’t think I ever commented on Bethenny getting her show. I did ask what someone else thought her intentions where, because I haven’t fully formed an opinion on Bethenny myself yet.

      But yes I didn’t agree with sending jill letters. I posted my opinion a few times, and admittedly (as is the intention of most arguments) hoped that my views may have an influence on someone. Ultimately I don’t think it did, and I accept that. I think that the majority of people that sent cards are probably very lovely people that are simply outraged with her behavior, and they desired to express that to her directly.

      I can’t help but feel as though the tone of your responses to my posts were negative, for example my all “too studied naivete”. If I personally offended you in anyway, I’m sorry.

  209. ilovelynn says:

    OMG! lynn, as I say all the time, I LOVE YOU!

  210. Squirrels says:

    Found this follow up on UTube. Bethenny Frankel doesn’t give a rat’s ass, the adventure.


  211. TLM says:

    Does everyone remember back to the infamous start of Season 2? When Bethenny said, “Holy catfight…what did you do now” to Jill? The ensuing conversation with Alex & Simon had led Simon to say, “When is Jill going to get out of high school?” and Alex said that Jill was probably “jealous” of the coverage the VanKempens had received.

    Now, at the time, I laughed at Alex just like 99% of the audience probably did. Why would Jill, with her giant Hamptons house, ever be jealous of Alex and Simon, the couple who were living in a shotgun shack in Brooklyn compared to Jill’s Manhattan apartment, and who had to (gasp) RENT in the Hamptons? Jill, jealous of the poseurs? Feh.

    Now, with the perspective of time, I see things very differently. The VanKempens had been covered in New York Magazine, whereas Jill had been quoted by Cindy Adams, the east coast’s version of Perez Hilton. Quite frankly, I was surprised to learn Cindy Adams is still alive, much less still has a gossip column, and comparing New York Magazine to Cindy Adams is like being in Vanity Fair vs. The Enquirer. Alex was specific in saying Jill was jealous of the COVERAGE, not of the VanKempens generally, and I think she was right. If everyone also remembers, Jill was playing games wanting to talk to Alex and not Simon regarding things she said about Simon, but Alex wouldn’t play that game. She said if Jill were going to apologize, it would have to be to Simon directly, not her. Does that sound familiar, with Luann only wanting to talk to Ramona to complain about Mario, rather than picking up the phone and calling Mario? Birds of a feather.

    In addition to all that, the limitless wealth portrayed by Jill and Bobby that summer was not quite what it was cracked up to be. In fact, the Zarins were tenants in the house that had once been theirs, but had already been sold. They worked out a deal where they could stay in the house for the next 2 or 3 summers, but they no longer owned it. Since summer is the height of the season for rentals, when a homeowner could potentially get $200K or more just for a few weeks, the Zarins must have taken quite a hit on that house. What buyer would take a house in the Hamptons and give up the next 3 summers, unless they were getting it for a steal? And now we are hearing all the luxury cars in front of the home were just rentals. I am wondering if the whole Gloria (of “mother isn’t happy” fame) tantrum where she had to go back to the rental agency to try out more cars out wasn’t conjured up so that the rental agency could get a plug, and Jill could say they shouldn’t have to pay for the cars. Maybe they even did it so the public could see more models the rental place offered.

    Jill also got a free chef for the summer in Bethenny, who cooked for the family even as she was working for another client. Contrary to the image portrayed, Bethenny was not lying around in bed every day at Jill’s. She was in the Hamptons because she already had a job as a chef there. Had she not stayed with Jill, she would have found a rental. Or she might have been able to stay with the family she was working for. Jill “gave her a home” as she loves to remind everyone, however, Jill also got a professional personal chef out of the deal. So in effect, Bethenny was working two jobs that summer. Despite the image Jill likes to paint that she whisked Bethenny away to paradise, it was not an especially happy time for her. She was going through a bad breakup, was having trouble paying her rent, and she was doing whatever the Zarins wanted to do that summer, not what she wanted to do.

    I may be off base with this, but I suspect that seeing more and more of Jill and learning more of the story is making a lot of things suddenly fall into place. We do know that the “buildup” of anger on Alex’s part toward Jill has gone on for two years, which would have included this period.

    • iceNfire says:

      A lot of it makes sense now in a way that Jill never intended. Did the past finally catch up to you Jill? Poor little Bethenny is the break-out star, Silex may be the most loved, and Ramona’s crazy eyes are now accepted as enduring. lol

  212. ilovelynn says:

    couchon: how about a bullet?

    p.s. mr patsy’s boys thinks I need an intervention. now when he walks into the den and sees me on the computor he says, “hello blog!”(as I said before, he keeps looking at what I’m doing. I think he thinks I’m having “cybersex”). that ship sailed a long time ago! LOL!

  213. Smompy says:

    “What kills me about the way the ladies on several shows speak is that they use “I” after a preposition: “Between Jill and I,” They do it all of the time and it’s like the sounds of fingernails on a chalkboard to me.”

    LOL now that you mention it, that’s probably even more annoying to me than the “I feel badly for her” thing. I don’t feel goodly about it (wink wink) when our housewives say “between you and me” but none of them seems to realize it’s incorect it. They evidently believe that it’s NEVER appropriate to say “you and me,” or “Kelly and me” (or whatever), so we’re constantly subjected to grammatical errors such as “Kelly was at the party with LuAnn and I” or “I asked Jill to come to St. Johns with Bethenny, Alex, Sonja and I.” Some of them even make that “I” possessive. I swear I once heard Kelly saying, “Bethenny and I’s relationship”. BTW I do realize how unimportant this stuff is, and my own English sucks sometimes. These are just things that stand out to me when I hear them because my grandmother was so obsessive about correcting certain grammatical mistakes. Thanks, Grandma, for making me obssessive too.

    On a completely unrelated note, I found it amusing that Kelly tweeted about Kristen Wiig from SNL being so funny because whenever Kelly starts her weird hair twirling thing I automatically think of a character Kristen Wiig played. Sjhe was like a pathological liar – or maybe I should say she exaggerated pathologically. If someone said “I just had a baby” she’d respond with “I just had TWO babies,” or if someone said “I’m donating this thing to charity, she’d reply with “I AM a charity and I just bought an orphange.” Her massively insecure exaggerations so remind me of Kelly’s boasts, AND she was always playing with her hair too!

    Also, I hate Jill Zarin a little more each day.

    • Adgirl says:

      Good grief. I love you. Or is it Me love you? Me & I both love yous. You, yourself and I all went to the ReVirgin Isalands and all me got was this kabuki mask.

    • otaypanky says:

      I (noun) Feel (verb) Badly (adverb) Badly is correct. Bad in this sentence incorrect. Respectfully posted.

      • Squirrels says:

        You are correct otay. according to my edition of The Associated Press STYLEBOOK and Libel Manual –
        “bad, badly – Bad should not be used as an adverb. It does not lose its status as an adjective, however, in a sentence such as I feel bad. Such a statement is the idiomatic equivalent of I am in bad health. An alternative, I feel badly, could be interpreted as meaning that your sense of touch was bad. See the good, well entry.”

      • UpYoursTWoP says:

        Reposted from above:
        In this case, it is not an adverb. The person is feeling the feeling just fine, there is no neuron firing damage, they aren’t having emotional trouble in that they are experiencing their feelings in a poor manner (badly). “Bad” describes “I” or the feeling, it’s an adjective. You would not say, “I feel sadly,” right? In “I feel sad,” “sad” is an adjective.

        • Ellabean says:

          BEST – screen name so far. 🙂

          • Smompy says:

            Yes to “Up Yours TWoP,” and I concur with Ella – best screen name so far!)

            Adverbs go with action verbs. Adjectives go with linking verbs. The verb “feel” can go either way, but in this case it’s a linking verb. It’s describing an emotion or state of mind – not the act of physically touching some object or person. So in this case, using the adverb “badly” is incorrect.

            But again, it’s not that big of a deal. It’s just something that jumps out at me. Plus, whenever I hear one of our housewives saying it.

  214. anniieee says:

    OMG the look on Kelly’s face when Bethenny said “Go to sleep-go to sleep!” was scary. She is totally disconnected as she stands there eating candy.

    • Squirrels says:

      I saw it more as inhaling candy anniieee. It was her only defense. Notice Sonja actually accepted the offer and took a couple candies? She was attempting to diffuse the Kraziness from the get-go. But my favorite was the discussion where B say’s Sonja thinks u r crazy. K says, no she doesn’t she thinks I’m great simultaneously as Sonja says, yes I do. LMFAO.

  215. lillybee says:

    I tried to change my user name. Hope that it worked. I am trying to go back to my user name at TWoP.

  216. lillybee says:

    Good it worked. I was able to go from elvirabarker. I decided that I will not hide from Strega anymore.

    • Kokuanani says:

      Did you check re whether “I Hate Strega” was available as a screen name?


  217. anniieee says:

    hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii like a horn.

  218. purplechick10 says:

    In 1979 Kelly would have been 11. Yes, it is strange how she does not want to talk about her Family and when she thinks the topic of sex is “gross or ewwwy” it makes me wonder how she felt becoming pregnant with the girls.

    As I wrote last night, I cannot decided between her having a split personality, on some sort of high or from her mixing that wine with a med.

    Also, will we ever see the “cut” footage?

  219. otaypanky says:

    TLM: Great Post. Could not have said it better. Epecially hate when Jill says “I gave B a home”. A disgraceful and self serving lie. B was never homeless you PIG. I HATE JILL ZARIN. and if she’s not nailed in the reunion..I will write every single sponsor. I’ve already contacted Kodak and Saks. No problem going thru the list with my business email address.

  220. LynnNChicago says:

    I brought the post over from the old Hub pages w/the list of Jill’s crimes.

    If anyone wants to add to the long long list, please feel free to do so, I like to read the reminders….

    Question, Do you all have to enter your name and email with every new post or does it remember you?

    Thanks to you all for making our move smooth!

  221. desertgal66 says:

    Okay, I have to correct a misconception from “The Jill Zarin List” regarding Bobby Zarin’s surgery.

    My mother had very similar surgery for cancer of the larynx about six years ago, and, yes, the incision was made on her throat. The incision is about 2-3 inches wide, it was made close to the base of her throat, and the ends of the incision are even with the beginning of her collarbones on each side. The scar can be easily concealed with high necked clothing, such as a shirt with a tie.

    The times I have seen Bobby on the show this year, he was wearing a shirt and tie, so I can’t say that he doesn’t have that type of scar-and it wouldn’t surprise me if he does. But, Jill’s insistence that his throat was cut “ear to ear” is illogical. Seems to me that cutting a throat ear to ear would put the incision further up the neck to just under the chin, and run the risk of severing the carotid arteries on each side, as well as the jugular vein. I’m no doctor, but that doesn’t sound right to me.

    Jill’s a drama queen. And the whole “I gave Bethenny a place to live and food in her mouth” while they were all staying in the Hamptons is pathetic. True friends don’t keep score.

    • Robinez says:

      My Mother had cancer of the Larynx.She was cut from ear to ear.Although in her case they removed her larynx.She has a stoma in her throat to talk with.

      I think,and only because I think Jill is a liar,that she was told what “could happen”and she ran with it.If Bobby indeed had an insicion from ear to ear then I am almost positive that his case would have been similiar to my mother’s and he would have unfortunately lost his ability to speak properly.

      That said,what truly chaps my ass is Jill’s attempt to make what Bobby went through worse than it was.When my mother went through it we prayed for the best and what happened was the best.We still have her and she is now coming up on 5 yrs.After 5 yrs she will be considered in remission.

      I appologise in advance if I have offended any of the grammer police here.

      Take Care,Robin

      • MorgaineSwann says:

        My mom had a tumor on her thyroid just about like Bobby did, and the incision was pretty wide, but I’d never describe it as ear to ear. I agree that it was just Jill milking it to make Bethenny feel bad. Bobby wasn’t upset, you could tell.

  222. A former Jill fan says:

    Nice post TLM. I especially liked the comparison of the types of press Alex and Simon vs. Jill get. Respected publications vs. gossip rags.

  223. iceNfire says:

    Is anyone else having trouble following the thread due to the reply button? Anyone want to go back to copying and pasting name and comment we want to refer to?

    • otaypanky says:

      Yes. I’ve gone back to posting anew and including the name of the post I am alluding to..great day ice..p

  224. ilovelynn says:

    could we, may we, can we, WTF..please no more grammerical or punctuation corrections or everyone will be afraid to post(mainly me) thinking they will look stupid, or worst, like kelly!

    on a lighter note..there has to be someone on this blog in the medical f ield that can tell us exactly what they do to remove your thyroid. or did he just have a tumor removed not the whole thyrod. then we can know the truth for once and for all.(or is it possible he just had a biopsy because they THOUGHT it was malignant?) hmmmm…

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I’m sure they said he had a malignant tumor removed from his thyroid, because it’s the same operation my mom had a long time ago. The incision across her throat was about where an average necklace would fall and it was visible for a long time, but it’s not “ear to ear.”

  225. anniieee says:


    kelly is there top search…

  226. anniieee says:

    Their…can’t fix it.

  227. anniieee says:

    well it didn’t even come up…let me try again…

    Their top search is Kelly


  228. Squirrels says:

    ok, I’ll post this as new then, so we can get away from the reply button.
    Re: otay’s explanation of bad vs badly –
    You are correct otay. according to my edition of The Associated Press STYLEBOOK and Libel Manual –
    “bad, badly – Bad should not be used as an adverb. It does not lose its status as an adjective, however, in a sentence such as I feel bad. Such a statement is the idiomatic equivalent of I am in bad health. An alternative, I feel badly, could be interpreted as meaning that your sense of touch was bad. See the good, well entry.”

  229. purplechick10 says:

    I’m sorry this is off topic.. however I put a check in the box about sending emails after every reply. Now, I cannot seem to figure out how to turn it off. Any help would be appreciated. (I also pulled the ditz card and deleted that email on how to do it. lol) Thank You.

  230. Squirrels says:

    crap…. sorry patsy, just saw your post. My bad.

  231. anniieee says:

    it is not putting in my link. Is that not allowed? Anyway go to sarcasm.com and see where Kelly is their #1 search.

  232. boston02127 says:

    @IceNfire ~ I agree. The the blog flows better that way.
    @anniiee ~~ lol thx for the laugh

    @Emails to me, thx, guess she feel entitled to correct all of us.

  233. lillybee says:

    Wow, I have no life. I was checking out TWoP forums and in the suggestion box, under tech issues I found that Strega gave a long explanation as to why she shut the RHONY board down. I wish I could link it but I am pretty close to being a computer dummy.

  234. Eve says:

    I had thyroid cancer and a total thyroidectomy. I had my surgery on a Wed afternoon and was home by Friday am and back to work the following Monday. The incision was about 2 inches and after the initial swelling went down was hardly noticeable. It is not as dramatic as Jill made it seem.
    Throid cancer is a very slow moving cancer which is highly treatable without chemo or radiation.

  235. Squirrels says:

    anniieee. I went to the site, put Kelly Bensimon in the search box. It came up empty and I do mean empty, as in blank, LMAO

  236. couchon says:

    RE:What Should Jill Chew On?
    A Reunion Show To Do List…
    @Aformerjillfan-a sassy or pacifier is inspired. It can be a Ring Pop. Jill will be touched by the size and carats.
    @Ilovelynn-a bullet is very thoughtful. She can also wear it as bling and bedazzle it.

  237. ilovelynn says:

    eve: thank you so much and so glad you are well!
    squirrels: LOL! still love you!
    just watched the bonus video of jill and bawby shopping for the watch and I threw up in my mouth a litte!

  238. Squirrels says:

    Thanks Eve for sharing your experience and putting it into perspective.

    • Eve says:

      Welcome. You know…..I don’t even tell people that I had cancer. I never wanted to evoke the sympathy or worry that people have when they hear the word cancer. Its really not like that. But when I heard Jill try to evoke that exact type of sympathy I knew that she was evil.

  239. anniieee says:

    sorry everyone…sarcasm.net not sarcasm.com…

  240. anniieee says:

    i am guessing that we cannot post links ..as I have tried 3x and never has my reply or comment come up. okay…I can cut and paste with the best of them!

  241. Squirrels says:

    lol anniieee, regardless, the humor of Kelly coming up as a blank page was not lost on meeeeeeeeee. : )

  242. anniieee says:

    this is from d-listed

    These pictures of Kelly Bensimon’s seizure victim tittays are from September ’08, but when I saw them on Best Week Ever and B-Side Blog, I had to share them with you. I know that after you listen to Kelly’s sandpaper-on-a-chalkboard voice scream “highly inappropriate” a million times on The Real Housewives of New York, you take an old gym bag into the corner and quietly kick at it while pretending it’s Kelly’s face. You’re not alone in that feeling, because her chichis feel the same. Look at them. They obviously put in a request for a transfer and bitches aren’t doing shit until it comes through! They just can’t work together. The left one hates the right one and they both hate Kelly’s rotten apricot face.

    It probably takes 2 body builders and a crane to put a bra on that chest. When they finally get a bra on her, it only holds for a quick minute before it snaps off and goes flying through the room. Those boobies do not want to be contained. They want off that bitch! Move this island!

    Here’s more of Kelly’s rogue breasts with Laird Hamilton, Gabrielle Reece and their kid at an event in NYC last year.

  243. anniieee says:

    I am reading some of the comments..mostly New yorkers read this…and read this one from 2009

    Submitted by kacky on Wed, 04/22/2009 – 6:30am.
    Submitted by chica robotica on Wed, 04/22/2009 – 12:32am.
    She didn’t look anything like that when she was young. Her outside has morphed to match her soul.

    you can probably have a more reasonable conversation with a fucking burnt rutabaga than with that bag of crazy. – MK
    You can only hold it so long before crunchy gets soggy. – TITS

  244. boston02127 says:

    It would be nice to be able to send roses to the Bravo studio for Bethenny the night of the reunion.
    A card reading: America’s favorite & most loved housewife.
    That would pissed Jill off so much.

  245. boston02127 says:

    It would be nice to be able to send roses to the Bravo studio for Bethenny the night
    of the reunion.
    A card reading: America’s favoirte & most loved housewife.
    That would piss Jill of so much.

  246. boston02127 says:

    Don’t know why that posted twice. Sorry.

  247. iceNfire says:

    This thread is already moving more smoothly. Thanks all, my index finger was really getting a workout.

  248. Squirrels says:

    boston, cause it was worth repeating.

  249. iceNfire says:

    TLM says:
    May 23, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    Jewish Journal’s recap:

    Sonja is gorgeous, and looks beautiful, while Ramona is rocking the smallest bikini I have ever seen on a woman in her 50’s, and she looks fabulous.

    I always believed that the reason Jill did not want to go on this trip was because she did not want to get into a bikini. Remember the 1st episode this season when Jill remarked that Ramona was “too old” to wear a bikini? Jill must be dying! And to read that the Jewish Journal refers to Jill as Satan, ROFL

  250. ilovelynn says:

    boston: great idea! I’m in, where do I send the money?

  251. Squirrels says:

    Futuristic recap of the reunion show –

    Andy – “Sooooo Bethenny, we were inundated with 20, one dozen displays of roses for you, with specific instructions to deliver them to you on this set (insert Jill blanching here(. Now of course we can’t do that for logistical reasons (insert Andy glancing sideways toward Jill), but what do you think of your fan base?”

    Bethenny – “Wow Andy, I’m not sure what to say. I’m just really touched and would like to thank……

    Jill – (insert red face and nervous tick here) “Andy, my fans sent 1000 doz roses directly to Zarin Fabrics. It was soooooo amazing. I was completely floored and humbled.” (insert Andy’s WTF face here)

  252. ImStillToni says:

    I can only hope Giles is working on this orange hobag’s 5150 hold cuz she needs to be in Bellvue STAT! Anyone notice how lopsided Kellamity’s impants where during her photoshot & wtf was up with those fugly Johnn Depp glasses she had on? I know someone said in voiceover that the glasses were from the beach bag B gave each of the ladies but I cannot let go of the thought that B INTENTIONALLY but the fugliest shit in Krazy Kells’ (oh I like that, Lynn I’m offically using that on my blog lol) bag! So what did Krazy Kells do? Wear a gift that the woman she claims “litterally” tried to kill her gave to her?!?!? I was hoping B put some itching powder or anthranx on these things just for the hell of it

  253. iceNfire says:

    Squirrels – You’re so funny, I could hear Andy’s voice but unfortunately I heard Jills too.

  254. Squirrels says:

    B gave everyone sunglasses. K’s glasses were castoffs from a Lenscrafter’s fire sale.

  255. RileyKitty says:

    I’m back peeps!!! I have been complaining about that darn reply button since day one. I am glad we decided to quit using it, it is confusing.

    I am eagerly awaiting the episode on Thurday. I just can’t wait to see Jill’s face when she realizes she is not wanted. But I really do want to see what kind of gift she brings.

    I am also curious to see if the ladies all wake up & Kelly is gone or if she told anyone she was leaving.

  256. Squirrels says:

    BTW, in 1979, big glasses were all the rage. Just thinking out loud here.

  257. Rahiq Syed says:

    The Real Housewives of NYC Reunion:

    • TLM says:

      It is UNBELIEVABLY prescient of KCS Cougar to have done this cartoon, which is actually more on point one year later than it originally was. No one really thought Kelly was crazy back then, just ditzy. And TruRenewal, SG Margarita, and the Countess and her “Countessness” were not nearly as ramped-up as they are now. Freaky! I wish he would do another one.

      • error 404 says:

        no, especially if you read the comments to Kelly’s “Obsessed” interview, plenty of people though she was totally wacko 12 months ago.

        • TLM says:

          Where is that …do you have a link? I’d definitely read! I guess I meant just from watching the show back then, it wasn’t apparent she was seriously crazy. Just seemed like she was ditzy and competetive with other women.

    • Love this Toon says:

      KCS Cougar was dead on with this cartoon. He has accurately captured everyone’s persona. I love LuMann’s deep and guttural “Countess”. LOL!

  258. The Digger says:

    What the hell happened in 1979? I didn’t find it to be such a bad year and I was glad the tacky brown, orange and avocado green era was done.

  259. couchon says:

    So Bethenney called Jill from Saint Barts and asked her to help Kelly, right? Then Satan’s princess tells countless LuLu that she has decided to go to St. Barts with gifts in hand for Ramona and Bethenney.
    Jill is seen in a preview prodding Kelly for trip gossip. Someone seems to have made a deal with the devil. Really, does satan’s princess have compassion for anyone? I hate Jill Zarin too.

  260. boston02127 says:

    @ Squirrels ~ lol at the roses post 🙂
    I was just reading their tweets. It seems Jill didn’t invite her new bff’s to Ally’s grad.
    It doesn’t say it but Kelly and LuMan have been tweeting what they have been doing
    over the weekend and nothing includes a graduation or after party.

  261. DarkSonnet says:

    Apologies if this has already been posted. Just when you think you have seen/heard it all where Kelly is concerned:

    “Here’s something I’ve found: You can fine-tune your car, you can fine-tune your haircut, but it’s really tough to fine-tune your relationship with your children, and sometimes you need to bring in professional help. That’s why I recently hired a “supernanny” to visit regularly, observe my relationship with my girls and make suggestions. I will say that it costs a lot (this nanny used to work for Woody Allen), but really, it’s like talking about the cost of in vitro fertilization. You can’t put a price on something so serious. This woman is amazing—like the child whisperer. She is teaching me about boundaries and how to talk to Sea, 10, and Teddy, 7, so that we’re on the same wavelength. We have just started our work together, but I really think she is going to be a good thing for our family.”


  262. boston02127 says:

    @ DarkSonnet ~ I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s court ordered. Maybe in Kelly world she’s trying to make it sound like a good thing before everyone questions her about it.

  263. Squirrels says:

    couchon – if only it were that simple. The women are on St. John VI. The only way to get there is by boat/ferry. Jill claims she is heading to St. Barts but will detour to bring a “gift in hand, hat in hand” to Ramona. Talk about thinly veiled?

  264. Adgirl says:

    I don’t think Kelly’s urkle eyeglasses were from the SkinnyGirl bag b/c I thought B gave them sunglasses and Kelly would NEVER wear glasses provided by the Devil.

  265. Squirrels says:

    lol @ Digger… my mom and I, over mother’s day weekend were discussing the same thing. Oh yes… we had avocado green cabinets. Boy, did we laugh.

  266. elle V says:

    LOL@Rahiq Syed That was hilarious! thnx for sharing

    I read in Kelly’s interview that she was always being criticized for everything from what she wears etc and thus her explosion…according to her. But I must say, isn’t Jill Zarin and at times, Ramona pretty much the only ones who criticize her? from her short skirts to her saying “like” every second. B saids nothing until Kelly get’s in her face, even the “hobag” comment she made. B said nothing, Sonja was the one who was hammering the 1night stand thing and somehow Kelly lashes out at B.

    If Kelly had any clarity, it would be clear to her who has done her damage excluding the self inflicting ones and it has Jill’s grubby little fingerprints all over it, as B would say.
    As a sidenote, even though I strongly disagree with Kelly and her actions, my heart breaks for her kids. If they knew that some people are willing to exploit their mother and her illness for entertainment, it would be the most cruel thing they would have to endure. I wish for the sake of them, Bravo does the right thing and take her off the show.

  267. Adios Lunatic says:

    You Tube cartoon is a hoot. 🙂

  268. Adgirl says:

    BTW – about the “meltdown”.
    I do NOT believe Kelly would EVER in a million years behave nutty like that to her famous “friends”. Right?
    Would she call Gwyneth a ho-bag or suggest to Marc Jacobs that he should scribble his complaints on a piece of paper and put them into the fish jar….

  269. couchon says:

    Squirrels, Jill is more diabolical than I thought!
    Nanny 911
    Woody Allen’s former nanny, honestly?
    When can I order super-nanny’s tell-all on Amazon?

  270. Squirrels says:

    DarkSonnet… All I can say is…. Seriously? Telling the first lady she should just be the lady? WTF? This bitch definitely has a one man band in her head.

  271. iceNfire says:

    elle V says: – If they knew that some people are willing to exploit their mother and her illness for entertainment,…

    What illness? No such thing has been documented.

  272. Adios Lunatic says:

    I don’t think this one has been posted yet so here it is. I wonder how much Gwyneth loves getting dragged into RHONY? Or having her name associated with Kelly at all right now……………


  273. boston02127 says:

    this was kind of funny: when kelly was arrested for punching her (ex) boyfriend, she was booked as a man.

  274. DarkSonnet says:

    A most enlightening interview with Kelly. Very enlightening, indeed. (2009)


  275. HD says:

    This woman really needs help. Some people just don’t know what to do with their money. “The child whisperer”. I have heard it all. Those kids are more sane then Kelly ever will be.

  276. Zip It! says:

    Just Zip it! Zip it now! Enough! Zip it!

  277. Zip It! says:

    Rahiq Syed – Video is so funny!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

  278. desertgal66 says:

    “Eleanor Roosevelt was the accessories queen”? Okaay…

    Does Kelly ever not name drop? She accused B. of name dropping, but I’ve rarely seen B. name drop, and Kelly does it all the time. Just last night, she tweeted “What is Josh Hartnett doing outside my building?” Uh…walking? Standing? Hailing a cab? It’s not like he came to see you, baby.

    I imagine meeting Kelly for the first time would go something like this…

    “Hiiiiii. I’m Kelly Killoren Bensimon. I used to, like, be married to Gilles Bensimon- you know, like, the greatest fashion photographer of all time? Really. He was, like, married to Elle MacPherson-you know, like, the supermodel. She was in that movie with, like, Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin. Really. Did I mention that Josh Hartnett, like, once walked by my house in New York? Really. Imagine, an actor, like, walking down a sidewalk in New York. That’s so 1979. Really. I’m from the Mid-West, you know-like Kirstie Alley? Really. Although my bud Kirstie is from Colorado, but still. I’m the, like, arbiter of fashion. Really. One of my fashion favorites is Eleanor Roosevelt, because, you know, like, Ellie was the accessories queen. Really. Never mind all that DAR/Marian Anderson stuff-Ellie could, like, you know, put herself together, like, really, really well. A scarf here, a belt there…like, really really yum….”

  279. DarkSonnet says:

    Quick note: The above “finds” concerning Kelly were found by an amazing “detective” at survivor.
    I’m having some minor problems posting here, says post is loading but post disappears into virtual reality.

  280. RileyKitty says:

    I wonder how supernanny is doing attempting to bring Kelly up to the same level as her girls. I am going to say right now she has the hardest job in the world.

  281. anniieee says:

    I got through about 2 and 1/2 minutes of the tape…obsessed with Kelly…

    When she said Physics1 wouldn’t fit into my schedule so i took physic2. I was told..like you really reallyreally can’t do that, but i like locked myself like in the physics library and did it. Like I really really did it. Enough…she is a marshmellow brain..light is on, but nobody home.

  282. iceNfire says:

    DarkSonnet – Thanks for link to interview unfortunately i just couldn’t sit through the entire thing. I started nodding off when the interviewer asked “When did you meet Giles” and Kelly started with “On the 44th floor of…”

  283. iceNfire says:

    lol annileee you bailed too? Too funny she took physics 2 because physics 1 didn’t fit her schedule. Yeah, I believe that.

  284. luckyabstraction says:

    My guess is that Gilles B. put his foot down and that’s why the ‘Supernanny’ came onboard. What normal 42 year old woman needs to be taught appropriate boundaries with her children?

  285. anniieee says:

    I was going off HER deepend …iceNfire…She truly is one block of cement. I cannot imagine trying to sit and carry a conversation with her. No wonder her daughter writes notes.

  286. DarkSonnet says:

    If anyone watches the revealing video interview at obsessed, please take the time to read the comments. Some very insightful opinions ( some that have been mentioned here within the last several days) and this interview was conducted in March 2009!

  287. desertgal66 says:

    The comments were better than the video.

    I had to laugh at this one:

    # SP Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 5:27 am

    Hmm, a few thoughts:

    1. I wasn’t aware that you could beg your way into Columbia.
    2. If she speaks French, I am Mickey Mouse.
    3. She married a rich and famous fashion photographer because he was “so different.”
    4. You can’t write a “tangible dissertation” on a BlackBerry.
    5. Someone making a little jab at your sad ego isn’t automatically a “bully.”
    6. Bethenny really didn’t resemble Joan Collins.
    7. I took a shot everytime she said “amazing.” I now have to pee and the room is spinning.

  288. anniieee says:

    desertgal, I just fell out of my seat..snorted and fell again. wow…..very good!

  289. DarkSonnet says:

    I agree that you can feel brain cells screaming for relief while watching/listening to the interview. My secret was to multitask while listening. I couldn’t watch it. But, there are some specific interesting mentions in there. Such as, white noise, chatter, Bethenny appearing “dressed very black, white face” (when she “attacked” Kelly in Ally’s bedroom).

    People all her life have told her she has a major case of Arrested Development, and some other tidbits that are exact repeats of what we witnessed on the boat.

    And her usual delusional exaggerations, reconstructed past events, blatant lies and controlling the conversation.

    I was just rather surprised to hear so many “repeats” from her actions on the boat.

    And if you didn’t get this far in the tape – Bethenny Frankel is a chef, according to K.

  290. celeste says:

    Ladies, I stated in a previous blog that I think Kelly is on Anabolic Steroids. She’s muscular like a pr body builder and very aggressive too. Even her voice is husky like a man’s. I’m thin and ripped but the only way I could get a powerful build like Kelly’s would be to take steroids. I think steroids combined with Xanax or ritalin can make someone paranoid and jittery, not to mention highly aggressive.

    I actually wrote to Bravo and requested that Andy Cohen be fired. He’s a vile, smarmy little creature and if I have to see him on WWH Live with that shit eating grin and cleal=rly half drunk I’ll smack him. Andy, Jill and Kelly Killmoron should be fired. I want Trump to take over!

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  293. celeste says:

    One more thing: Seriously, Southpark need to do an episode on RHONY. Eric Cartman will be Jill Zarin (a big, fat bully), and Tweak will be Kelly. Jill’s mother will be Sheila Brozlowski, Butters will be Alex, Kyle will be Bethenny because he’s sane and pithy, and I think Kenny can be LuAnn – he just mumbles alot and is quite useless. Plus Kenny’s mom lives in a trailer and wears t-shirts that say “I’m with stoopid”. Yes, Kenny is LuAnn.

    Jill vastly overestimate her own importance in the universe.

  294. Bridge and Tunnel says:

    @Rahiq Syed… That cartoon was the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while. Kelly in the straight-jacket is so appropriate.

  295. Quincy IL says:

    Jill Zarin turned her twitter back on. I don’t have a twitter account and whenever I looked at Jill Zarin’s twitter, it said “protected.” I took a link from Andy’s Twitter and Jill’s Twitter was open to me.

    I guess the bad part of the season is over for Jill.

  296. The Digger says:

    Congratulations Lynn! This blog made WordPress top posts of the day at #45:

    • LynnNChicago says:

      WOW That’s great! Thank you for posting that! It’s like a golden satchel…or a platnum sack…or a bronze spray tan….sorry got carried away 🙂 Thanks Digger! You’re the best!

  297. lillybee says:

    Good for you, Lynn.

  298. cusi77 says:

    I would like to make a remark about KKB being a 13 year old:

    Remember when she invited Simon for shopping?
    While Simon was trying on pants and he came out in underware… Kelly was blushing saying “No, no, Simon!”…. I thought: Is this the woman who posed for Playboy? She is acting like a girl who has never seen a man in underware… Hmmmm

  299. Adios Lunatic says:

    DarkSonnet thanks for posting the interview with Kelly. I caught the “chef” thing too. She is very, very, very self absorbed and I almost laughed hysterically when the interviewer (who sounds like a 2 year old) asked her about her separation/divorce and Kelly did the BS for something like 2 minutes and doesn’t answer the question so she asks again and we see the Kelly we know…………….She even used Zip It a time or two.

    That was the LONGEST 30 minutes of my life and I kinda want them back……………..

  300. Adios Lunatic says:

    Congrats on #45 — even better, when I Google “Jill Zarin” the #2 response is your blog! Its even listed before her FB account. Maybe that’s just on mine, but i really hope not since we know how the Evil One loves Google!

  301. doxienurse says:

    “I always believed that the reason Jill did not want to go on this trip was because she did not want to get into a bikini. Remember the 1st episode this season when Jill remarked that Ramona was “too old” to wear a bikini? Jill must be dying! And to read that the Jewish Journal refers to Jill as Satan, ROFL”

    I also noticed that Jill kept her mumu, caftan, swim coverup thingy on the whole boat trip. Made sure no one compared her bod to Ramonas. Thur when she shows up to ambush the trip, she has a mumu thingy on again.

  302. DarkSonnet says:

    Was it really only 30 minutes? It seemed like an eternity to me. I came back in the room to stop the interview and then she went into the “white noise”, or “chatter” comments so I decided to leave it on.

    Yes, I would like my 30 minutes back also, plus compensation for my lost brain cells. Although, I was only listening and doing other things, so maybe I only need 15 minutes back. ;o)

  303. Adgirl says:

    A real psychiatrist has comments on the dinner party:


    I asked him a question – I hope he answers me!!

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I don’t believe a real psychiatrist would post a diagnosis that way. It’s not ethical and he’s putting his license at risk. I also don’t think a real doctor would diagnose both bipolar disorder and borderline personality. I’ve been told you can’t have both. You can have PTSD at the same time as either, though.

      I could be wrong, but take what he says with a grain of salt.

  304. Adios Lunatic says:

    Maybe that’s what Kelly’s problem is — when she listens to herself talk it deducts brain cells at an exponential rate………….

    I was sitting with my laptop 1/2 listening and my cat just kept looking at the screen while she was talking and crying………as soon as she stopped, so did he. Clearly he’s a cat of discerning taste.

  305. Kokuanani says:

    I’ve been watching a number of episodes of “Hoarders” while reading the comments on this thread. Watching the mentally ill, obsessive compulsive individuals who are hoarders made me see how Kelly’s behavior is similarly that of someone who’s mentally ill.

    The individuals on this program become overwhelmed by having to deal with “reality,” they are unable to see what’s really going on in their lives [or that their houses are full of crap], they feel threatened by folks who are trying to help them. And on and on.

    This is not to say that Kelly is a hoarder, but just that the “symptoms” and behaviors she displays are identical to those displayed by the mentally ill hoarders.

  306. Adios Lunatic says:

    I should clarify — my cat was crying while listening to Kelly — and he wants his 30 minutes back, too!

  307. Adios Lunatic says:

    Watch out, Ramona, one of those rhinos looked at little like Jill (or maybe Kelly since the skin is so leathery).

  308. otaypanky says:

    Thank you Adgirl for posting this link. Fascinating. I think it’s worth posting here. The satchels of gold remark completely went over my head. So many people on this blog asked what she meant by that. I read the same answer in this article that I read in other commenta section on another blog. Here is a Doctor’s Opinion.
    P.Labinowitz, M.D. says:
    May 23, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    I have been a psychaitrist for over 26 years, with a wonderful practice, and my oldest daughter that has walked in my footsteps.She has worked as an A.R.N.P. psyche nurse at a substance abuse treatment center for 6 years , counseling addicts with dual diagnoses.ie: alcoholism along with borderline personality disorder, etc..I was introduced to “all the Housewives” shows by my oldest daughter, the psyche nurse, and also by my college age daughter. I am not a fan of these shows, just stating the truth here (my daughters love them, and have somehow managed to get me to see many episodes of NY Housewives, and a few other HW shows)..but,as the girls came to stay with me last week, and we watched Thursday’s episode of the NY Housewives on Ramona’s yacht…I must say, my immediate ‘diagnosis button” kicked into high gear.Reading the above comments were very interesting to me. I, being a Jew myself, definitely heard the “satchels of gold” remark for what it was;anti-semetic. Period, paragraph.
    The question obviously seems to be a toss up between attention grabbing behavior (which usually denotes a psyche poblem to begin with), OR is she really having a mental breakdown? As a medical doctor trained in the medicine and treatment of patients with psychiatric disorders, you will never hear the word “carzy” come from me. Mental illnes is a disease , just like cancer. To me, calling someone crazy is no more acceptable than calling someone with a mental handicap a ‘retard”..Absolutely unacceptable. Unfortunately, it is a word thst is tossed around way too often, yet I understand why..when people witness behavior like Kelly’s, and they are not trained in the field of psychiatry, it is the first word that comes to most people’s minds. I think the comment above about how ‘everyone got very calm when Kelly’s behavior completely escalated into bizarre babbling and accusations so wild, that the rest of the women became very calm…out of FEAR.” Absolutely corrrect! The Housewives talked about a ‘chemical imbalance’, and I must say I back them on that thought 100%.No, I do NOT treat Kelly, but it doesn’t take a personal session with someone to see that there is something deeply disturbing about her remarks, paranoia, her back and forth bahavior between getting up and leaving the table, telling everyone “how sick she is of the negativity and witch hunt”, only to come back to the table 3 seconds later with jellybeans and candy.From what I saw on that episode, (I even watched it twice), and many previous episodes I have seen,(luckily, none of my colleagues read this type of thing, or I’d never live it down that I am a “fan” of The Real Housewives..) I would diagnose Kelly right off the bat with bi-polar disorder, especially in the mania department. When people are in mania, they interrupt others constantly,can’t sit still or make up their minds, and have paranoid delusions such as people trying to kill them, and evil manifestations, such as Alex “chanelling the devil”, they also have a strong tendency to believe that everyone is ‘below” them , in a sense that her fear is so strong re: herself as a person, that she constantly blurts out demeaning things about others, such as the repitive topic of “how sick of the immaturity, negativity, creepiness and how she is “so above the conversations of the others that she has to endure” is a small example of her delusional thinking. Does she not think that calling Jill and telling her all that she has had to ‘endure the craziness of four women’, and again tearing Bethanny to shreds, is any better than the so-called “immature, negative conversations she is so sick of hearing”?
    There is term in the recovery groups world wide, “If you spot it, you got it.” If I thought she had the capacity to even understand what that meant, I would suggest to the other Housewives to say just that to her, and see what comes out of her as a response. Unfortunately, at this point in Kelly’s mental illness, and have NO doubt that she IS mentally ill, I do not think saying things to ‘make her think” will do any good. In fact, the probability of it just making her more angry is extremely high.
    Bethenny, if you read this blog, please know that I see you as a strong , witty and resonable woman. You know what your limits and boundaries are, and I hope you keep your head held high, and though pregnant with hormones raging, the loss of your dad, do not let anyone else’s opinion of why you went on the cruise unsettle you in any way.. Everyone grieves differently..which , once again brings me back to Kelly and her closed -minded thinking. She is a perfect example of what we psychiatrists call “Queen Baby”. She truly believes that her thoughts are always right, and the ONLY thoughts and opinions that matter. She is 100% incapable of understanding that she is NOT always correct in her thinking, that others are allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions, and her actions, verbally and in body language, just rub others the wrong way…it mystifies her as to why she isn’t understood. It is all just part of her serious mental illness.
    On an end note, my complete diagnosis for Kelly, just from watching the show, being FULLY aware that the producers edit and cut up these shows to show the most ‘drama” they can..either way, one cannot just dismiss Kelly’s behavior on the way she is presented on the show. She has acted out in MANY episodes , in fact, every one I have seen with her in it. My final diagnosis: Bi-Polar disorder with intense episodes of mania, Queen Baby” disorder, borderline personality disorder, PTSD from somewhere in her life, and according to my daughter whom I trust as much as I do my colleagues, an ‘under the radar’ drug problem of some type. Who knows? She may be on anti-depressants that are displaying awful adverse side effects, and she has no clue. She may have an addiction to benzos such as Xanax or Valium, which if taken in large doses, due to tolerance build up, leaving the person having to take more of the drug than Rx’d, can certainly be a part of her mean, bizarre behavior.
    My suggestion to Kelly and her friends: PLEASE get this young woman who does have children, the help she so despreately needs. She is a time bomb waiting to explode. If she walks away, ignores you, which is highly likely, get a 72 hour ACT placed upon her so she will be forced to go to a psyche unit for at least 72 hours. She is definitely a threat to HERSELF and others.She needs a “TIME OUT”..but not on her terms. Her idea of a time out consists of maybe 2-3 seconds, to maybe 5 minutes.Which is demonstratively shown as just NOT enough Time Out time.

    I see patients like Kelly every day, and there is hope for her..the first step is to just get her somewhere, with a judge’s order, and quickly.I truly believe if she does not get the help she needs, her children will wind up a part of a system that can damage families for a very long time. She does NOT want her kids in foster care.And needs to realize that she is “above that” happening. She is NOT.

    Best of luck to you all in trying to get her the help she needs.

    Sincerely, P.Labinowitz, M.D.~Member of the Board of American Psychiatrists, FACP


    • True Midwest Mom says:

      This is so spot on! I’ve been a long time lurker of Lynn”s blog but this is the first time I’ve felt compelled to post. Watching Kelly was very painful to me. I have a close family member (my mom) who is bi-polar with mania episodes. Kelly’s behavior was like reliving the past for me. Many who suffer from mental illness are sometimes not aware of their behavior and how destructive they are, or they are aware but are too afraid or ashamed to get appropriate treatment. Kelly needs someone in her life to take control and force her to get the help she needs. It is not an easy thing to do. But, for her safety and her daughters someone needs to take action.
      Many people who go through this tend to push people away who would help. They push family members away and dissociate from close friendships with others. A lot of times they can and do appear to function quite normal or close to normal until something triggers a manic episode.
      Substance abuse is not uncommon to those who have mental illness. My mother abused alcohol. I can’t say that Kelly is using drugs or hasn’t in the past but I would not be surprised if she is. The fashion industry is rife with drug use and abuse. Cocaine seems to be the #one drug of choice. Naomi Campbell is a prime example of an abuser who has issues of rage and a false sense of entitlement. Kelly reminds me of her at times. And drug use can acerbate mental illness. Doctor’s are still studying the long term effects of substance abuse and the possible damage to brain function.
      I have also felt uncomfortable with the relationship Kelly has with her daughters. I have no doubt Kelly truly loves them but in the few glimpses we had of them, the girls tend to be more the “parent” role than their mother. Kelly misinterprets what they say and we’ve seen the girls being the one to teach Kelly things such as cooking. This can be very confusing and detrimental to young children. Those who suffer mental illness can and tend to confuse the appropriate roles between parent and child. There was many occasions when I felt more like the parent to my mother than I felt like a child. It is confusing, scary and I resented and hated my mother for a very long time. I understand now the illness but as a child I didn’t and suffered silently for a long time.
      I believe Kelly found a friend in Jill and Luann that validated her delusions regarding Bethenny. I was a one time fan of Jill but, I stared seeing her true colors last season. She is so resentful of “B”s success that I’m sure she felt Kelly would be a useful and easy ally against “B”. I don’t think Jill knew that Kelly may be mentally ill but she definitely knew of the animosity Kelly has towards Bethenny. I do believe Jill stoked Kelly’s paranoia and delusions. I believe that Jill is so narcissistic that she refused to she Kelly’s unrealistic vile towards Bethenny as harmful and damaging to both Kelly and Bethenny. You don’t throw a match on gasoline without expecting it to burn and destroy. I believe Jill is a match to Kelly’s gasoline and illness. Jill has no place in either of these women’s lives and she should be kept far away from both of them. Jill is hurricane that destroys everyone who gets in her path.
      I have to wonder what would have happened if the judge in Kelly’s domestic violence case had seen this breakdown. I don’t think many months had past when this occurred from Kelly’s court sentencing. I have to wonder what the terms of her probation where and if perhaps Bravo protected Kelly from any consequences if she had violated them. Clearly a judge would have ordered a psych evaluation and possibly forced Kelly into treatment. All the ladies have stated that they kept quite about the incident. Where they forced to or did they do so out of respect for Kelly’s privacy? Now someone needs to speak out and call this for what it is. Kelly could become a advocate for mental health issues if she could be forced to confront her problems and get treatment. She does have a platform. The stigma of mental illness needs to be broken and that hope can be found. Treatment can be successful and the illness doesn’t have to continue to damage and control the person and their loved ones. Luckily my mom got the help she needed. Medication and psychological treatment has given her back her life. Our family is as normal as can be expected and many wounds are or have been healed.
      I know I’ve rambled on but I have one last observation about these women. Jill,Kelly and Luanne seem to have an unfounded contempt for Bethenny and Alex. I have to wonder if they look at Bethenny and Alex with resentment because these to women have become successful without relying on a man for help or money to do so. Jill, Kelly and Luanne have all married older men of wealth and status. The three have only gained their own statues in society through their husbands. Bethanny and Alex have achieved their success by their own hard work and effort. It’s not to say that either one hasn’t had a man in their life to support and encourage them. But they earned their success on their own merits and not by proxy of the men they married. Jill, Kelly, and Luanne can’t say the same. Maybe they look at Alex and especially Bethenny and see what can be achieved independently and they resent and are intimidated by it.

  309. MorgaineSwann says:

    Satchels of gold is “loot” that you win in a FaceBook game called Mouse Hunt. Kelly is not deep enough to make the connections that guy is trying to draw. Think about it – Kelly can’t understand lemons to lemonade, or stomping grapes to make wine, but she’s going to come up with “satchels of gold” from something completely unrelated in the bible. She’s not antisemitic, she’s sick.

    She might be bipolar, but she seems more schizophrenic to me and I usually pick up on bipolar behavior very quickly. Ramona fits that profile, not Kelly.

    • otaypanky says:

      Truth is, I never heard of this before myself. It is however a comment I have come across a few times since last Thursday. I’m not advocating nor negating.

  310. A former Jill fan says:

    And that says it all doesn’t it? thanks adgirl and otaypanky for that info.

    I was just about to post this link to Kelly’s facebook.

    Apparently Kelly thinks it fun to allow these discussions on her own page. in my opinion, she does have serious problems. Any of her “friends” who are ignoring this are not true friends.


  311. A former Jill fan says:

    Oops! Wrong link! Here’s the correct link:


    her facebook home page has more links to different boards about kelly

  312. boston02127 says:

    P. Labinowitz, M.D. should have his/her license pulled. What doctor does this, posting about someone they have never met? Extremely ununprofessional.

  313. Shannon says:

    Wow, what a great read. Thanks for your professional opinion. I think you absolutely have Kelly figured out.

  314. Kokuanani says:

    Adgirl @ 1:07 pm above:

    I’m sure Jill & Lulu are weirded out by last week’s episode. They probably assumed “meltdown” was hyperbole. Nope.

    Actually, upon reading this, a thought occurred to me: Jill & Lulu weren’t on “The Island.” The only source of “information” for them was Kelly. So imagine what they must have felt when the saw Thursday’s episode and witnessed what actually went on!!! They’d probably been relying on Kelly’s “description” of the events. There must have been some jaws dropping in the deLepps and Zarin houses, plus some frantic texting to figure out what they were going to do!

  315. iceNfire says:

    Hi CnQ – I’m shocked to see that on Kelly’s facebook. Wonder if she even knows it’s there. Could it be a true friend that allowed this hoping Kelly would get the hint?
    Hmm gonna have to think on this one.

  316. DarkSonnet says:

    @boston – Not so sure that is a legitimate doctor. Too many things in that post that make you go, hmmmmmm. Especially the “title” after the name. In this state, you are considered a “Fellow” of your particular specialty board, not a member.

    I wonder if the fact that her sister, brother and father are all successful attorneys has had any effect on Kelly?

    • TLM says:

      I also doubt the person stating they are a psychiatrist really is one. Unlikely a real psychiatrist would put their name on an armchair diagnosis made on a blog. Perhaps it’s a patient with delusions of grandeur? 😉 I know a fair amount about psychiatric disorders and psychopharmacology from my prior work, and (in my non-medical, yet well read opinion) I don’t think bipolar is a remotely correct diagnosis. Some drug abuse and withdrawal can cause psychosis, but it’s downright bizarre that this person would point to benzodiazepine use for that. I would look at anyone claiming to be a doctor and actually putting their name on a post with extreme suspicion.

      I agree with another poster that said Ramona shows bipolar features. Kelly clearly showed psychosis/schizophrenic features.

      • GreatExpectations says:

        @ TLM I thought bipolar was the modern DSM term for schizophrenia? That’s what my friend told me who was diagnosed with it.

    • KLAS says:

      Re: “P.Labinowitz, M.D.~Member of the Board of American Psychiatrists.” This guy is a fake. First of all there is no such thing as “Board of American Psychiatrists” There is the American Board of Psychiatry however. NO ethical psychiatrist would “diagnose” someone they’ve never met and on the internet no less.

  317. Hooked On Housewives says:

    @Dark Sonnet Thank you.

    A most enlightening interview with Kelly. Very enlightening, indeed. (2009)


    It’s 10:55 pm and I am just getting to vid of Kellamity’s you posted earlier. So sorry for the delay in responding.

    Kellamity is just a mass of contradictions.

    “she feels like she has to make everything right” (newspaper article) then turns around and says “it’s not her job to fix everybody”. Sorry Kelly. You can only have it one way.

    I’m ashamed to write this but I think Kelly tried to play the cancer card. Poor me. I jumped completely down Bethenny’s throat at The Brass Monkey because my friend had cancer. (hello Jillousy is this where you got the idea?)

    Supposedly Kellamity dated her punching bag boyfriend for four years and he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. When asked about the punch out incident, she pulls the crap about Rihanna out of her ass. I believe the quote the boyfriend made was “he looked worse than Rihanna.” He wasn’t saying he was Rihanna. Can this chick twist a scenario.

    The vid was long so I know I missed some of the contradictions. Additionally, Samantha did not do a strong interview and let Kellamity get away with a gob of non answers.

    Now here I’m fishing…really fishing. On one of Lynn’s other blogs it was mentioned that one or both of Kellamity’s children were not Gilles. The thought crossed my mind as Kellamity was going on and on about “driver” who was always around, always downstairs, always driving her places, always looking out for her. Ding. A lightbulb went off. I think I know the real father of the kid/kids. Since he was always there he was probably her drug connection as well. I’m still inclined to believe that drugs do play a part in Kellamity’s life. When she has her fix she can appear rational and semi normal. When she doesn’t get her fix she turns into a freaking nightmare.

    Sorry to go on and on but….oh hell. The devil made me do it.

  318. iceNfire says:

    P.Labinowitz, M.D.~Member of the Board of American Psychiatrists, Said:
    “Thursday’s episode of the NY Housewives on Ramona’s yacht…I must say, my immediate ‘diagnosis button” kicked into high gear.”

    Who does this guy think he is? Gregory House?

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      It’s got to be a fake. There’s too much wrong with it, and no doctor would dare do that. It’s completely unethical.

  319. Hooked On Housewives says:

    @ the Digger…….thanks
    @ lynnnchicago……Congrats Lynn. #45 with a bullet.

  320. otaypanky says:

    Please explain to me about the facebook thingee. Can anyone post on someone’s facebook? Ice: What do you mean by a friend allowing it? Could it be she does not know what is going on?

  321. DarkSonnet says:

    @ Hooked on Housewives – You deserve some sort of Purple Heart for putting your brain cells in harms way ingesting that much material on Kelly!

  322. Hooked On Housewives says:

    @ celeste

    “I want Trump to take over!”

    Call Jillousy. She is a personal friend of The Donald. Maybe she can help. NOT.

  323. Kat says:

    That “doctor” made several comments and wrote schizoeffective instead of schizoaffective. Odd

  324. iceNfire says:

    Otay – anyone with access to her computer can use her facebook. Mine is always left on and if my husband or one of my kids wanted to post on my account they could easily do so. I’d kill them of course but the damage would be done. lol

  325. A former Jill fan says:

    otaypanky says:
    May 23, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    Please explain to me about the facebook thingee. Can anyone post on someone’s facebook? Ice: What do you mean by a friend allowing it? Could it be she does not know what is going on?

    Anybody can post a message on someone else’s facebook page if they are signed in and “like” the page, I believe. And the person allows comments, I guess.

    Someone else could have posted that, but she has several discussion boards on her page and I think they are all making fun of her or talking about her problems.

    Knowing Kelly, she probably thinks she’s allowing the open flow of ideas and embracing “haters” because they are part of the ecosystem.

  326. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s so-called last tweet of the night:
    last call for #realhousewives bully convo. sweet dreams

  327. DarkSonnet says:

    @Kat – Yes, very odd. But there is a lot of “odd” going on in that diatribe, I mean, diagnosis. ;o)

  328. otaypanky says:

    Jill Fan: LOL

  329. boston02127 says:

    @ otaypanky ~~ you have to join facebook to post. it’s quick & easy to join. If you don’t want to join with your first and last name just use the name of your city in the first and last name sections. They will then send you an email to confirm. Open that and click on the link and you will be a member.

    • otaypanky says:

      Thanks Boston: months ago, I joined under my business email and a handle. I just wanted to send my sister a message because she had joined. Never went back in or looked it over. I was trying to understand what everyone was discussing regarding these posts being there. Thanks to all who responded.

  330. boston02127 says:

    TML ~~ Yes.
    “slack” would be use like so:
    “I’m not taking any slack from them” (slack meaning crap)
    I’ve lived here all my life and I’ve been told we use a lot of slang words. Sorry to confuse you.

  331. I find her tweets even more disturbing. She is now even lumping Sonja into all the attacks. She sounds just as disturbing today as she did in the episodes.

    SHe is even tweeting the RH on NJ gals thanking them for all her support. Even saying something like I am so glad you understand to Teresa!! Did she read Teresas blog???

    I cant take it anymore. I need some gummybears and lollypops…

    • TLM says:

      I’m trying to picture how a conversation between Teresa and Kelly would go. Never mind – my head hurts just thinking about it.

      I have a really hard time believing Teresa actually writes her own blog. Perhaps she writes it, and then gets someoene else to edit it. There is just no way that she can consistently speak the way she does, and then sit down at her computer and become an eloquent writer. The styles don’t remotely match. Or perhaps the earlier blogs in which the profanity was flying were mostly hers, and she’s gotten someone else to come in and edit as well as tone it down. Anyway, there’s the question of whether Kelly would even be able to correctly interpret the meaning of anyone’s writing in the state she’s in. I wish I were joking on that one.

      Well, it’s late. I’m going to take my jellybeans and “gum berries” and get outta here. Thanks for the great chat today everyone!

  332. otaypanky says:

    Hope she pulls it together. They’re taping in three days

  333. Hooked On Housewives says:


    PR101 let them attack
    PR102 tell them they look pretty….what????

  334. Squirrels says:

    Hey Adios – I Hate Jill Zarin is #1 on my google listing.
    woooooo hoooooooo

  335. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s last tweet for the night: (she’s such a dumb ass)
    thst’s it for #realhousewives bullying is not ok conversation. tune in tomorrow.
    This is her second “good night” tweet.
    I’d like to correct her but I type fast and make mistakes all the time.

  336. Olivia says:

    I am reserving any diagnosis of Kelly’s mental state until Gloria weighs in with her inspirational words of wisdom.

  337. boston02127 says:

    NJ ~ Teresa’s baby:

  338. Hooked On Housewives says:

    Does anyone think that Jill Zarin is sitting somewhere scared shitless and crying to mummy that she is going to get blamed for Kellamity’s breakthrough (Kelly’s definition…breakthrough not breakdown)?

    Of course not. Jillousy is loving the fact that the Kellamity drama is so intense that she (Jillousy) will get a free pass on her lousy behavior. I see Jill’s recurring theme at the reunion.

    Andy: So Jill why did you act like an ass this season?
    Jill: We were so worried about Kelly

    Andy: What did Bawby think of this season?
    Jill: We were really worried about Kelly.

    Andy: You slapped Bethenny and she slapped you back harder. Is that true?
    Jill: It’s in The Book.

    • Olivia says:

      Andy: Jill, your inner “vicious bitch” this season turned off most of the viewers who saw you as nothing more than a pretentious, whiny, grudge bearing bully? What say you?

      Jill: Andy, this was not the real me. I was so upset about Bawbby and then Ally was going off to college next year and the Ginger re-did the decor in my apartment that I just lost it. (Weeping) I apologize to all my “fans” who love me as much as I wished my mother had and hope that they will see the “old Jill” back next season. (Coyly) I am coming back aren’t I Andy?

      Andy: The fans seem to have turned on you and there is even a blog entitled “I Hate Jill Zarin” and dare I mention the mess you started over at Amazon?

      Jill: Andy, someone was misusing my name. What can I say? I am not happy! Next question.

      Andy: Your relationship with Bethenny, and the premature announcement of her daughter’s birth which not only had the day, sex, and weight incorrect, also led to some pretty heavy charges against you. How do you respond.

      Jill: I was PISSED! Ally fed me the wrong information on purpose because Ginger bit her again that morning and she wanted to get even. Everyone knows I love Bethenny almost as much as I do Ginger. Again, someone took advantage of me and lied to the press. I want names!!!

      Andy: Why do you feel the need to criticize every cast member while pretending to be their friend to their faces yet you continually ridicule and demean them during your interview time?

      Jill: I offer advice. I live for advice. I am an expert at dishing out advice. How much more can I say about it? Do you want me to throw myself out the effen window?

      (Applause and cheers are heard in the background. Camera cuts to Bobby shaking pom poms and waving a copy of E-Harmony.)

      Andy: Jill, in your estimation, what is the meaning of the word “friend”?

      Jill: Read the book, Andy. Just read the effen book! On sale now at Rite Aid for $1.99.

  339. otaypanky says:

    Anyway. Brett Michaels won Celebrity Apprentice. It was a great up lifting reality program. Snapple gave both Holly and Brett 250.000 for their charities. It was heartwarming.
    Unlike last Thursday when after watching housewives, I was frightended, horrified and shocked.
    This show would be so much better without the women so many dislike. We would be rooting for Bethenny who for years tried to brand thru reality show appearances and finally succeeded in business and in her personal life. We are interested in Alex and Simon who seem to have a wonderful marriage and are working to keep it together financially. Ramona is a card. She has successfully branded a jewelry line and is on HSN. Sonja is a wonderful, kind addition.
    The others are just hateful and they compromise the viewer’s serenity. They are like watching a trainwreck. You cannot turn away, but you feel like crap for having looked. It doesn’t have to be that way.

    • Squirrels says:

      fok otay. i’m on the west coast and have been following the season.

    • Squirrels says:

      fok otay. i’m on the west coast and have been following the season.
      I didn’t spend umpteen weeks watching in order to get the results early.

    • Squirrels says:

      fok otay. i’m on the west coast and have been following the season.
      I didn’t spend umpteen weeks watching in order to get the results early.
      Now I get to watch 2 hrs worth of the last project already knowing the outcome.

  340. Squirrels says:

    sorry. didn’t mean to post 3x

  341. I Hate!!! YOU PEOPLE!!

    I was watching Lost all night and have Celebrity Apprentice on DVR. I closed FB and Twitter to not get any spoilers.. boy was I dumb.

    I heard my email tell me “I got a spoiler for you” and choose not to ignore. When I looked in my freakin inbox. there were like 20 and I thought I only checked the box for replies to mine.

    Ok So I clink on the first message.. AND I GET THE BIGGEST SPOILER EVER!!! THE FREAKIN WINNER!!

    Dont you people understand that some peeps have DVRed the show or on a different time slot?? WTF??

    I truly hate you people with all my heart and I wish a thousand flees infest your armpits while you deal with your foot fungus as well as the nits that are infesting your hair brain duhs..


  342. Squirrels says:

    I’m watching River Monsters on Animal Planet re: the Coonch, A Himalayan Catfish. Anyone want to tell me how it turns out so I don’t have to bother?

  343. otaypanky says:

    I am so sorry. Please forgive me. Obviously I just wasn’t thinking.

  344. otaypanky says:

    I feel terrible. I truly do.

    • Okay I am over it now.. ignore the following posts since they are posting first..before this reply..

      Alright Young lady.. let this be a lesson to you how you have crushed up peeps who have been waiting for months to get to a final episode.. now that you have learned.. AAAAND maybe I am forgiving you.. I have a wish list online that you can select items to buy for me…

      I know you may think this is a bite of the daughter from USA of Tara on Showtime. but that girl totally gave me alot of ideas and I truly feel like you owe me. So buy me the I hate Jill Zarin pin, the I Hate Jill Zarin Electronic item that is prolific shaped and will make you mad with fuery. I also need one more item on my wish list.. You must.. and I say must.. you must commit THe wonka booby lady with the inarticulate voice to celebrity rehab. If you can do that for me.. I may.. just may forgive you..

  345. Squirrels..

    I just peed on a stick.. predictions anyone??

    Wait.. I am expecting a surpise of my life from mr man.. Do you tricky dicks have any clues?

    I just bought a lottery ticket.. can someone tell me if I won and not waste my time waiting for the balls to get sucked up in the tube??

    Freakin geeze laweeze..

  346. otaypanky says:

    I think I’d better make myself scarce.

  347. iceNfire says:

    Okay, I’ve calmed down a little and just want to say, that was the biggest “Buzz Kill”
    I’ve seen since someone shouted out the ending of Harry Potter #6 to a bunch of people standing in line to buy the book. When the final Harry Potter book came out I stayed in my room without TV on and read through the entire book before emerging out into the world again. ( extreme yes, necessary, I thought so) I record every show I like so I can zip thru commercials. Guess I can start zipping thru Celeb. App. now.
    Good night everyone, Otay – Tomorrow is another day I’ll be over it by then.

    • otaypanky says:

      Ice: Completely understand. You’re great. Again sorry. You were not out of line.

  348. Ok.. just for the record.. I didnt mean “You People”!!! but I really meant the culprit initially and didnt want to make it personal.. JUST SO YA KNOW!!

  349. boston02127 says:

    Night all.

  350. MorgaineSwann says:

    I can’t believe nobody has a statement from Gilles Bensimon about Kelly’s breakdown Thursday. If I were a reporter, I’d have been trying to get him on the phone immediately.

    • error 404 says:

      I could be totally off base, but my suspicion is that Gilles uses his connections and money to hide a lot of this stuff, probably because of the kids. I seriously doubt this is Kelly’s first “mental breakthrough” and after hearing her say she left Elle because she didn’t have time for politics, I’m convinced that a very similar scene to what happened around that dinner table happened around an Elle conference table. There is no way there’s aren’t Elle editors, real editors, willing to give an opinion of the real Real Housewife. They’re probably just afraid for their jobs.

    • error 404 says:

      It seems obvious to me that she just parrots what people say to her during pep talks. Not just the sounds bites like “nervous breakthrough” or “Cook, not chef” but she’s also so dumb she repeats the confidence builders. “I’m the most charitable person I know”, “I’ve got integrity” etc… She’s like Rainman.

      • error 404 says:

        forgot to add: I just hope for readers sake, that someone talks to her again so she has new stuff to parrot. Her idiotism get old fast.

    • TLM says:

      Wow. A “nervous breakthrough,” not a nervous breakdown, huh? That’s some PR person she’s got working for her. In Kelly’s own words: Good luck with that…enjoy that.

  351. Squirrels says:

    Nervous breakthrough? OK, I’ve heard everything now. Well, until next Thursday anyway.

  352. Anitabee says:

    Veddy Veddy interesting….


    A clue perhaps into Kelly’s vendetta against Bethenenny? Could it be the green eye of Jealousy???

    So here are some pics taken on Oct. 28, 2009. Aproximately 2 or 3 weeks before the Virgin Island Trip. Look at pic #1023315r SJX. It’s Bethenny, Kelly and Oh, isn’t it that married “Top Chef” Sam Talbot that Kelly is currently seeing according to the New York Post? It certainly looks like Sam only has eyes for Bethenny. Even though Bethenny is wearing her “OMG – WOW!!!” engagement ring.

    If you click on to page 2 photo #1023315u SJX looks like Kelly is grabbing Bethenny’s wrist. Hmmm….

    I really think this “whole chef/cook” thing involves Sam Talbot on some level. It would Kill Kelly to realize that Sam and Bethenny have so much in common.


    • error 404 says:

      Talbot probably said the ‘She’s a cook, not a chef” snark, and Kelly just keeps repeating it. It shows a wit that Kelly lacks, and seriously, who can produce a good sound bite quip but fail miserably at being able to back it up?

  353. MorgaineSwann says:

    I thought it had to do with Sam, too. He’s made some comment about her not being what he’d call a chef and Kelly took it literally.

    Interesting, Kelly and Bethenny sitting together. If you were face to face with the two of them, it would be natural to look at Bethenny. She’s much prettier and has more presence.

  354. Adgirl says:

    About the doctor’s write up (Link at 8:32 PM, copy/paste at 9:21 PM). I found it on another site and thought you’d be interested. I don’t know anything about him or his credentials. He doesn’t say where he practices.
    Some posters are skeptical of his suggestions and another poster said he should be reported to his governing board for commenting on someone he hasn’t met.

    I’ve listened to doctors, therapists, attorneys & financial experts give advice to specific listeners (or on celebrities – Britney, Tiger, Sheen) on the radio or TV for years. If they clearly disclose they are commenting based on the limited information that was presented (which this “doctor” did) I don’t think any ethics were violated.

    Take it as entertainment.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I don’t think anyone is faulting you for posting it, the comments are about his veracity. As you say, it is entertaining.

  355. Adgirl says:

    Just for fun from the people who brought you My Mother Recaps RHNY


  356. Adgirl says:

    HAHA. I just read the entire blog My Mother… link above. Hisssterrikle.

    Her mother says (allegedly) about KKB:
    “I feel very sad for her children. Compared to everybody — and I mean everybody in New Jersey is a genius compared to her. It’s going to be hard for me to knock the Jersey women down because NOBODY there behaves like this. NOBODY.”

  357. Kat says:

    Judy Collins would eat Gloria Kamen for lunch.

  358. MannysGrammy says:

    These comments are copied from Jillous facebook page where it was SUPPOSE to be about Allys Special award at school (some secret surprise too)
    Cary Lamey
    Is this “surprise” how you tried to ruin Bethenney’s baby news? GROW UP JILL! SAD you couple Ally’s accomplishment with your marketing. Her award became all about you. PATHETIC. Let Ally have her moment at school. TAKE A BACK SEAT! I am no longer a fanl. But, you are so vain and your publicist is so stupid to post what is posted I shouldn’t bother to care or write.

    La Randa Heale
    Way Too Much Jill!! You have to give some Grace to Your Daughter and Your fans!!Did you earn enough to get your Louis? Kinda getting grossed out by YOU!!

    Cary Lamey
    You use your daughter to market…just saying. No Longer want to be a fan/friend of JIll Zarin.

    Holly Waisnor
    why do you suck so much? your a mean girl and shut up for once you never let anyone talk.. Bethenny is so much funnier than you, get rid of the countess she is sucking you down all u guys do together is gossip. you lost the best friend bc your such a revengeful person
    ary Lamey
    One premier ticket and YOU MIGHT wait to see with Ally? Oh Jill. Pull your head out of the proverbial A**! And I thought Kelly was an idiot.

    Lynn I love & live for this blog. I enjoy my daily dose of everyone s thoughts & comments as well (you girls rock!)

  359. MannysGrammy says:

    Forgot to add this comment of Kelly s from People Mag since Kelly sure contradicts herself every other sentence!
    But fans shouldn’t judge Bensimon based on this one episode. “This is me being a Housewife on a television show,” she says. “This is not me in my real life.”
    In the same issue, Kelly also stated “i’m not proud of the way i acted” than the next sentence she states “It wasn’t a nervous break down, it was a nervous break through”

    (banging head) I think that last episode stressed me out!

    I hate Jill Zarin!

  360. Smompy says:

    Thanks for that link, Adgirl. Cracked me up good!
    “Have you ever seen Kelly on any other show? No. Because there’s no need for a horse on TV, besides this show.”

    Yesterday I bought this week’s People magazine so’s I could see adorable, little Bryn Hoppy for myself (and she sure is adorable & little), but I was a bit surprised that NJ Danielle AND Jill Zarin were featured as well.

    So Jill is friends with The Donald, Patti Bighead Stanger, Lynne Spears and Dina Lohan? Wow, that really is a fabulous circle you got there, Jill. After apparently being asked how she and Lynn ended up being friends, Jill was quoted as saying it’s because she and Lynn are both mothers who love their children. First off, I think the latter part of her comment is debatable. And second, yeah, OK, Jill. The fact that you and Lynne Spears have these two things in common is what brought you together. I’m sure! Because what are the odds of finding a friend who’s not only a mother but who ALSO loves her children?!? It’d be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. For example, I am a mother, but I loathe my children. My sister, on the other hand, adores her children, but she’s not a mother. You two are truly lucky to have found each other Lyyne & Jill.

    Well anyway, now that Lindsay Lohan is about to be arrested, maybe her Aunt Jill can pull some strings in he discount fabric community and get Lindsay out of jail early.

    What with Kelly making an appearance in next week’s issue, that’ll make four separate RHs getting coverage in People mag. within the span of two weeks. Wow, I bet Andy Cohen has a boner right about now.

    otaypanky, don’t feel too bad. We all have loose lips sometimes, and speaking for myself, it wouldn’t have occurred to me that I shouldn’t post something like that either. Even if it should have, it just wouldn’t. And it’s not like you were trying to scoop everyone else and place a spotlight on yourself by publishing false birth announcements involving your former friend/current arch-enemy’s baby. I’m not saying people don’t have a right to be a little miffed, but any spoilering you might have done by sharing that news was obviously inadvertent. And you’re always welcome to copy my stategy it you like:, whenever I get myself into hot water for accidentally blabbing something I shouldn’t have, I just blame it on Ally Zarin and LXTV:)

    • error 404 says:

      Poor Jill was misquoted. Bad editing. The full quote was “Lynn and I met at D list celebrity reputation rehab, and bonded during a group session on Mothers who love to use their children to gain approval or fame. “

  361. desertgal66 says:

    GreatExpectations says:
    May 24, 2010 at 2:23 am

    @ TLM I thought bipolar was the modern DSM term for schizophrenia? That’s what my friend told me who was diagnosed with it.

    No, bipolar is the modern DSM term for manic-depression, not schizophrenia.

    Personally, I don’t think Ramona is bipolar. She’s in her early 50’s, so she could just be having a tough menopause. The hormonal surges during menopause can cause some serious mood swings and contradictory behavior, and it can be more extreme for some women than for others.

    • TLM says:

      Bipolar disorder is the modern term for what used to be called manic depression. Schizophrenia is a totally separate disorder.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      As someone who has Bipolar Disorder and knows a lot about it, I can tell you that Ramona is textbook. She has the type that leans manic most of the time. She’s really high functioning.

      Schizophrenia is characterized by delusions, hearing voices, having a warped sense of self and a lack of insight. I think Kelly is so overwhelmed with the sensory input her brain can’t process that it causes her to lack empathy.

  362. morning says:

    @desertgal66…I can attest to that! I’m lucky my family didn’t leave me.

  363. otaypanky says:

    Thank you all for your forgiveness.

  364. ilovelynn says:

    good morning all! been reading since 6 am. wow! hey, HAD ENOUGH should be coming back soon, dark sonnet. he/she will be shocked at what went on in him/her absence.
    TLM: theresa had a co-author for her cookbook, which was very entertaining and witty, so maybe that’s who edits her blogs.
    what does PTSD mean in the “dr’s” diagnosis?
    I think the “supernanny” that helly “hired” was probably a court appointed child pychologist demanded by gilles.
    I don’t think I’ll watch rhonj tonight, just wait for lynn’s blog tomorrow. btw lynn, congrats…only place to go is up!

  365. morning says:

    post traumatic stress disorder?

  366. morning says:

    post-traumatic stress disorder?

  367. Quincy IL says:

    Are we no supposed to have opinions, Bravo?

    Bravo told Sonja Morgan to avoid reading the blogs. I’d love to know what Bravo thinks of people on blogs, because I think that a large percentage of the viewers of the Real Housewives shows look at or contribute to the threads on the many blogs that comment on their series. Just what does Bravo expect from us?

    Sonja and the other women are on the reality shows to make a buck. They are branding themselves, selling diet chocalate, tee shirts, insurance and fat free cup cakes. Apparently, we are supposed to buy their products and keep our mouths shut.

    If the viewers weren’t showing interest by hits on the net, would People Magazine waste a page on the Jill and Danielle stuff? I don’t think so.

    The reality stars think they have hit pay dirt. Atlanta girls demand first class travel and want perks that movie stars receive. Orange County stars are selling diet product when we know that they don’t eat in summer and fret over having eaten a donut three days ago.

    I think Alex and Bethenny respect the viewers and are upfront about their business adventure. I don’t see them disparaging anyone.

    I am upset that the two people who crashed the White House dinner are going to be Bravo stars. I am upset that Kelly will probably continue on the NY series and be at Bravo events. Yet, Bravo considers my interest wackodoodle.

    This phenomenah reminds me of the sci fi films where people watch “stars’ in mortal combat destroy each other.

    Do the stars, like Jill, understand that they are exposing their lives and subjecting themselves to the analysis of the public? I don’t think she does. She thinks she is in a marvelous circle of friends. Bravo makes Jill feel important and they have the power to make Jill disappear just as quickly as she appeared. Everything Jill does is a joke:
    skating in those outfits while giving the Olympic couch a piece of her diminishing mind, buying jewelry while embarrasing her husband with sexual references in order to get a ring worth 3.5 million dollars, flying to an island vacation when no one wants her there………….. Everything Jill does is suspect now.

    Andy Cohen is making a joke out of himself too, but he doesn’t see it. The Bravo producers are making money, but at what cost?

    Somehow today, while I am cleaning horse stalls I won’t feel badly about my life. After all, I was not selfish or greedy and I did not embarass my family. I may not be in the limelight, but when I say goodmorning, I mean it. That’s real, Jill. And….this was about you, Jill so it’s a plus in PR 3.1216 (pi.)

  368. couchon says:

    The lies told by Jill Zarin are self-serving and mean. Many of her lies can be traced to the first season. Her lies have hurt so many yet she continues to lie without remorse or consequence. Andy Cohen has tread carefully around Jillousy about her lying. When he gets too close for comfort Jillousy plays the editing card. Her lying is so outrageous that this is what brought us to Lynnnchicago’s blog . It is honest.
    Lynn, let’s make a list of Jill’s lies and put them in chronological order as in a timeline or in this particular case a “time of lying. ” It could be Satan’s ancestry.com. We will help too. It’s a big job but someone has to do it.
    “I Hate Jill Zarin” followers remember.

  369. boston02127 says:

    Otaypanky, good morning ! I’m glad u came back 🙂

  370. boston02127 says:

    Kelly must have gone to sleep mad last night. This is her first tweet this morning:

    since when is it ok for twitters to “bully” other people on twitter. opinion is one thing, who gave the ok to write mean things to people?

    • error 404 says:

      Haha.. more 13 year old talk. I love how she repeats that people always tell her she in arrested development, but Kelly thinks it a compliment.

      Who gave the OK? Why Mommy and Daddy of course! lol

  371. Jenni says:

    I find Kelly’s favorite tweets rather odd. Any thoughts?


    Kelly K. Bensimon’s Favorites
    1. SrtaCovarrubias Is there a way that I can make it so I don’t have to see @kikilet’s tweets? Even her tweets are like nails on a chalk board! #realhousewives 6:44 PM May 13th via Bravo Talk Bubble

    2. DivaTisha RT This is why I love following you! @AudreyWarhol: @kikilet why are you such a condescending cunt??? She asked (cont) http://tl.gd/rtgu3 6:41 PM Apr 13th via UberTwitter

    3. GloriasGlam @kikilet I can accept that.I am a fan I don’t expect you to live by my rules. I do wish you would watch a peta video on how they get fur tho 5:18 AM Mar 24th via UberTwitter in reply to kikilet

    4. NataliaMichelle @kikilet Kelly whats going on with all these tweets? are u ok? lol 3:59 PM Mar 21st via web in reply to kikilet

  372. otaypanky says:

    Thanks Boston:
    To answer Kelly’s morning tweet:
    The same people who told you it was ok berate and say horrible things to a women pregnant with a high risk pregnancy who had just buried a father she was mourning over never have known.
    Get help you moron.

    Thinking back to Kellly’s behavior over the two seasons she was on. I really do believe Kelly has been living with demons a very long time, so much so that she structured her life in a way as to disguise her “personality”. Recall, she would make appearances, greet people one on one, stay 10-15 minutes and leave. She seemed to avoid conversations, has a canned greeting – hiiiiieeee and off she goes.
    Very early on in this blog, some astute poster would bring up asperger’s. I have to say, after listening to her inability to tolerate several people speaking at once. Her claims of white noise, too much chatter, her literal interpretions of phrases. She just may have lived her life with undiagnosed autism and found ways to cope that were the least painful for her. She obviously has auditory problems. What is said and what she hears are two different things. She just is not capable of understanding, tranlating what she is hearing and may also find it painful.
    If several people speaking, confused me, was painful for me, I’d be saying zip it too: or be quiet, or use hand signals that say zip it.
    Not saying she does not have other issues, but Asperger’s seems to be one fit for her.

    • error 404 says:

      Is one symptom of autism an unnatural anger toward celebrity comparisons? Being called Madonna and her BF/victim comparing himself to Rihanna seemed to really enrage her. She actually said that B called her Madonna and she can’t tolerate “name calling”. lol

  373. boston02127 says:

    Kelly is totally off her rocker this morning. She is tweeting away! She seems mad.

    I’m going to go for a walk at the beach, I need to air my head out after reading
    her babbling nonsense.

  374. Olivia says:

    Whatever Kelly’s issues may be, she has achieved coverage in People magazine this week which only helps to underscore her “celebrity” status. Some people crave this type of publicity regardless of their unsuitable behavior and apparently it has worked in her case.

    Bethenny last week, Kelly this week, Jill must be swallowing the Mydol by the handful!

    And if nonstop Twittering does not indicate a problem, I am not sure what does. Who has time to spend typing foolish messages as she has for the past week without raising the question if she is in her right mind. It seems clear that she has devoted tons of her time to this which shows she really does not have a life. No dating, child care, housework, social events. Clearly out of control as she is communicating with strangers in cyberspace who actually have not been that kind in their commentary. Her follow up answers using 140 characters make no sense.

    • error 404 says:

      Kelly is using her celebrity to focus on issues, like bullying. What’s a bully? – Someone who refuses to let others talk or get their side in.
      Someone who tries to control conversation content, stopping the conversation if it’s about a topic they don’t like.
      Someone who debases other’s status or achievements in front of peers, even trying to attack their livelihood by publicly saying they aren’t good at their job.
      Someone who makes frequent references to how they are somehow better than the person(s) they are speaking to.
      Someone who diffuses a direct challenge by suddenly bringing up events that happened somewhere else at another time, that have nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
      Someone who suddenly brings up important or famous friends off topic, as a means of intimidating others.
      Someone who tries to sabatage a conversation they don’t like by randomly inserting nonsensical information, usually with references to innocent or childlike pastimes.

  375. Hooked On Housewives says:

    Interviewers are not asking the right questions. Kellamity admitted during an interview (a long, weak interview ) that she speaks and understands fluent French. Please somebody ask Kellamity to hold a conversation in French.

    She probably learned <i<Francais at Columbia. She probably fit it in while she was cramming for physics. Until proven otherwise, Kellamity is just another tired Jillousy knock off. I think Springsteen said it best:

    Well there’s a girl that lives up the block
    back in school she could turn all the boy’s heads
    Sometimes on a Friday I’ll stop by
    and have a few drinks after she put her kids to bed
    Her and her husband Bobby well they split up
    I guess it’s two years gone by now
    We just sit around talking about the old times,
    she says when she feels like crying
    she starts laughing thinking about
    ……….Glory days well they’ll pass you by
    Glory days in the wink of a young girl’s eye
    Glory days, glory days

  376. anniieee says:

    otay, I fell asleep right before the end last night…so I appreciated knowing this morning what happened 🙂 Glad to see you back.

  377. desertgal66 says:

    “since when is it ok for twitters to “bully” other people on twitter. opinion is one thing, who gave the ok to write mean things to people?”

    Who gave Kelly the okay to tell a pregnant woman that “no one cares about you”? That she is “gross”? That she is a “ho-bag” who “slept her way across America”?

    Mental illness, arrested development, drugs, or all three – something isn’t clicking right in that woman’s brain. And for someone who doesn’t like labels, she sure plays the victim constantly. It’s tiresome and immature.

    Grow up, Kukunut.

  378. anniieee says:

    Love it Desertgal!!

  379. Lolo says:

    After reading that Kelly hired a “child whisperer” (and Woody Allen’s old babysitter, did she help him get dates with Soon-Yi?) and thinking back about all her freakouts over her kids, I wonder if she’s been threatened with having the girls taken away from her, and that’s why she gets so paranoid about anyone talking to them or referring to them. Just a thought. I doubt she has too much contact with them, anyway, and she certainly doesn’t seem to know how to communicate with them.

    Ramona can have a sharp tongue, but I haven’t heard her make stuff up like Kelly does. And she does seem like a good friend to B. and now to Alex. I still don’t understand her relationship with Jill. Nor do I want to.

    • error 404 says:

      I think you may be on to something!

      I stand by my theory that Kelly has been down this road before. Maybe, once psycho Kelly reared her ugly head again during the B standoff in the bar last season, Gilles threatened to take the kids if she didn’t get help. So in her mind, it’s all B’s fault.

      As for Ramona, not only does she not make things up, but her barbs that seem so rude at the time, usually prove to be correct over time. “Underdog” is a perfect example. And her assertion in the very 2nd episode of the show that Jill doesn’t have to be invited to everything and therefore was unjustifiably angry, turned out to be sheer prophecy.

  380. otaypanky says:

    On Rachel Ray now. 2 New Jersey Housewives cook off

    • Uh… Panky dear..

      Your not going to give us the spoilers on who’s Juicy Meataballa won the taste test?? I didnt think so.. 😉

      I just have a few comments on the visuals I got.

      Carolines meataballa looked a bit dry and shriveled.

      Teresa’s meataballas looked pretty messy. Juicy yes but they looked quite swollen and bludgeoned.

      My take is that they were both unprepared for the show and just shoved there hand down there husbands pants and grabbed at their meataballas and threw them on a plate..

      Now the presentation makes sense to me.. 😉

  381. otaypanky says:

    You are too sweet anniileee and thank you. But I must say that Imajustsayin’s comment were hysterical. I felt so awful, but reading the soft ball insults had me LMAO.
    Imajustsayin: You are Funny!!!!

    • Awee.. Tankies Panky…

      I am starting to worship the quicksand you walk on.. in a good way.. lol

      Once I get my Ramona inspired pic line installed with my vino.. the shit just stumbles out of my mouth.. I cant help myself..

      Glad you didnt take me to seriously.

      All is good in blogs and war 😉

  382. otaypanky says:

    Squirrels: You too, funny stuff!

  383. Olivia says:

    It is a little difficult for me to overlook Ramona’s past behavior. Some of the things she has said have been equally offensive due, IMHO, to a little bit two much of the Pinot Grigio. She may be more measured when she is sober but she does go way over the line on many occasions with her repeated chant of “telling it like it is”. This is often used as a “crutch” to explain away bad behavior and it gets a little old after awhile. Her interaction with Simon in the past has been cringeworthy.

    She has been way out line herself on several memorable occasions and though she may be considered on “Team Bethenny” you can never count on her staying there for very long as she has a tendency to shift alliances whenever it suits her position.

    Alex seems to be the only one who has stayed true to herself. And you can’t trust Lu Ann as far as you can throw her.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I think Ramona’s in your face statements are the result of impulsivity. She’s got poor impulse control so she just blurts out whatever is in her head.

  384. jennifer says:


    She can’t make up her mind- Is she ashamed, embarrassed or is it bad editing, or good TV?

  385. HD says:

    I cannot believe Kelly is trying to spin this and act like she was the victim of being bullied. She is sucha loser. She is so delusional to her behavior. It is like she was on a boat with 4 women that we did not see. Alex hardly said anything, Ramona kept drinking her Pinot, Bethanny was looking at Kelly like she was nuts and Sonja was trying to be nice to her and diffuce the situation. What kind of bullying is she talking about? She is a lost cause. I cannot stand people like Kelly that try to spin everything and make themselves the victim. She is not the victim her. She WENT NUTS! We all saw you go crazy so stop pretending! UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

    • error 404 says:

      Alex didn’t have to say anything, she was channeling the devil, and that’s bullying.
      Ramona, between sips of PG, told Kelly several time to check herself before she wrecks herself. telling Kelly how to behave is bullying.
      Sonja told her to be a ho-bag by have unprotected sex with hooters girls she’s not in love with. Bullying!
      Bethenny! Did you not see the horses head she put in Kelly bed in the form of Skinny Girl swag! That gift bag was obviously a threat. Bullying!

  386. Olivia says:

    Lest we forget:

    1. Ramona pointing out the signage to Jill at the charity party which sent Jill over the edge and created an unneeded fissure when the liquor was donated.
    2. Ramona yelling on the open phone line to Jill regarding Lu Ann’s possible past indescretions.
    3. Ramona/Bethenny on the Brooklyn Bridge. Self explanatory.
    4. Ramona sort of siding with Jill and Lu Ann after Jill refused to accept Bethenny’s apology in her apartment.
    5. Ramona walking out of the “Girls Night Out Party” because Simon was there.
    6. Ramona not hiding her dislike of Simon the first night she met him.
    7. Ramona making fun of Kelly’s breasts at the Saks party than claiming innocence in again, “telling it like it is”.
    8. Ramona creating an unnecessary scene at the Kodak event and telling Kelly to “just shut up”.
    9. Ramona refusing the invitation to attend Alex’s open house because she was not sure she would be fed on time.

    Kelly’s meltdown may be a genuine act that begs explanation but Ramona too should not be exonerated for behavior that borders on insufferable when a glass of wine is nearby.

    • error 404 says:

      Shrug. What R and K have in common is a way of reworking their behavior to accommodate their issues. Like Ramona refusing to go to Brooklyn, which considering how she acted when she finally did go, perhaps it’s best she stay away. lol

      The difference is that R will fess up to the crazy. I know Lynn’s fed up with it, but it’s obvious that R’s trauma from childhood runs her whole life. It’s all right there on the surface. Whatever traumatized K, is so well buried and hidden, even she has no idea.

      As rude as she is, she’s usually right. I know that’s no excuse for such poor social skills, but it doesn’t put her anywhere in the same class as Kelly’s delusional hallucinations.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I don’t think it’s the wine that causes that, it’s a manic episode.

  387. otaypanky says:

    Jersey Wives: Ok, here’s my take on Jacqueline: She married a man of means. When she married him, she was very soon to learn she married the entire “Family”. She’s confronted with Don Corleone…ummm…I mean Don Caroline (the control freak and moral temperature taker of “the family”) and Dina, the Family Princess. Corleone is controlling and what she says goes. She fawns over little sister Dina Dina is a demanding bitch who marries her brother in law, who has cheated on her and has chosen the easy life over being single. Dina orders J around i.e. her ladybug charity last season. J was on edge, avoiding Dina and her demands. Her directed her anxiety towards her daughter. Demanding that she hurry up. Get dressed, yada, yada, yada, because she did not want to hear Dina’ shit.
    Her first born is the dispensable child. She banishes her from the Jersey McMansion. She is in the way of the family she is trying to build with the “One” with money.
    Her attachment to Daneille has nothing to do with actually liking this woman. It’s a passive-agressive rejection of the control of “the family” she can’t take. She wants to know if she married a man or the brother of Dina and Don Caroline.
    She says to don caroline that having her son ”IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DAY OF MY LIFE”, then tags on “in the last few years”…oops!
    Jac could not wait to get the “mistake” out of her home. She humiliates her on national television. She sees in her daughter the young woman she “was” and needs to run from that. Her new birth guarantees her wealth in her mind.
    She shafted her daughter. Wants to stick it to Caroline and the beautiful Dina.

  388. Quincy IL says:

    Olivia, you asked who does non stop twittering…..


  389. desertgal66 says:

    I think it is safe to say that Ramona can be more than a little flaky. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it mental illness, though. I think it is just her personality-I’ve known a number of people who were mentally sound and good hearted, but still just flaky. To give her credit where it is due, though, I’ve seen Ramona apologize a number of times, without prompting. For example, she attacked Bethenny on the bridge walk, but she also took the time to apologize on the island getaway. She worked out the difference of opinion she had with Simon. She does, for the most part, attempt to work out conflicts instead of taking pleasure in fueling them further.

    As for Jill – why should Ramona apologize to Jill for anything? We’ve seen Jill rip Ramona up one side and down the other over the stupidest things – like Ramona not inviting Jill to that little get together she had in the first season. Jill made a far bigger deal out of that than it actually was, because Jill thinks she should be invited to everything. She was really hurtful towards Ramona about that.

    Yet, when Ramona DID invite Jill on this island getaway, Jill said no – and then proceeded to crash the get together. With Jill, Ramona can’t win for losing.

    Fact is, Jill, LuAnn and Kelly are downers. Look at how relaxed Bethenny, Alex, Ramona, and Sonja were together after Kelly hightailed it from the island. They were having fun, enjoying each other’s company, and there was no tension or aggravation-until Jill showed up, apparently. Who wants downers hanging around when they are just going to stir up drama? Let them go hang with each other and they can be as vindictive and nasty as they want.

    If Kelly had relaxed and just tried to enjoy herself, she likely would have had a great time, but she wouldn’t stop herself from needling everyone, especially Bethenny. Jill doesn’t stop herself from needling. LuAnn doesn’t stop herself from needling. Then they piss and moan and whine about how poorly they get along with everyone.

    Jill constantly pulls her “I will never forgive “, yet I’ve yet to see her take the time to actually listen to the other person’s point of view – usually because she won’t shut up and let anyone else talk.

    And what Jill absolutely cannot stand is that Bethenny, Alex, and Ramona have written her off. They truly want nothing further to do with her. There isn’t enough room in their real, hardworking, and honest lives for her petty crap. And I get the sense that Sonja isn’t going to go out of her way to embrace Jill, either, even though she’ll probably remain civil.

    It was interesting to watch Jill’s transparent attempts to manipulate Bethenny and her reaction when those attempts backfired. Jill’s “You know what, Bethenny? We are done” was blatant manipulation and nasty vindictiveness rolled into one. On the other hand, Bethenny’s “We’re done” was neither vindictive nor manipulative, but honest and absolute…and that drives Jill crazy. She clearly cannot stand that she no longer has the upper hand-that she can’t play the benevolent friend and “forgive” Bethenny. She took her nastiness a little too far and lost control of the situation.

    Sad thing is, she will never learn from that. Everything will always be ‘all about Jill’ to Jill. And Bethenny, Alex, and Ramona are probably doing the happy dance that they’ve rid themselves of that pit viper.

    • otaypanky says:

      Great Post!

    • error 404 says:

      Jill and Kelly are very similar. When directly challenged, their first impulse is anger, so they shout over the person and try to intimidate. When that fails, they disassociate and go to that special place.

      Jill plasters a fake smile on her face and nods a lot. No idea what she’s thinking, but she’s clearly not listening and no longer present.

      Kelly throws the “attacker” off with nonsensical references to innocent or childlike things.. cartwheels, smiles, etc.. (she was obsessed with the B “ambush” happening on Allison’s bed) and then unveils her ultimate weapon: a declaration that she doesn’t care.

      Both have a habit of verbally insisting that there is no conflict, while their body language screams rage.

  390. ilovelynn says:

    Morning: thanks!

    Quincy Il: you know what? as long as the ratings go through the roof when these train wrecks happen, they will never take jill or kelly off. once they start getting boring(like the cuntess) then maybe. it’s like when you are driving and there has been an accident and all the other cars start rubber-necking and tying up traffic. viewers love sh*t like this. look at us! or we dying for thursday nite or what???!!

    Boston: OMG! you live on the beach? so jillous!

    Olivia: is non-stop twittering as bad as non-stop reading and writing on this blog? if so, HELP ME! now I’m scared.

    I’m just constantly replying to everyones comments because it seems I don’t have an originial thought in my head. LOL.

    • Olivia says:

      I hear you! We all seem to be “suffering” from the same reaction. I know my housework is.

  391. Olivia says:

    Bravo is again exploiting a seriously deranged woman in the person of Danielle. This woman needs help and yet they are allowing her awful behavior to be the subject of a series that really is without a narrative unless they have a loose nutcase as the catalyst in order to attract viewers.

    Dina is boring. No story line there unless it is Danielle trying to creep into her life.
    Jacqueline is boring unless it shows Danielle trying to creep into her life.
    Caroline is boring simply because she is. Self righteous, self satisfied, gloating idiot.
    Theresa is boring because she is featured as the “sex bomb” – Good Grief! – who dotes on her daughters to their detriment, spends like the Taliban is at the back door, chats up her sex life with her Neanderthal husband to the point of producing a gag reflux, and has nothing to say beyond “prostitute whore!”.

    The saddest part is watching the reactions of Danielle’s daughters to the mishaps of their clueless mother who is harming their lives in her quest to remain viable. And Bravo is bringing 15 weeks of this total inane insanity to the viewers without regard for the fall out this may confer on these two young girls.

  392. Olivia says:

    In pointing out Ramona’s behavior, it was merely another illustration of how someone other than Kelly or Jill has abused their position on the show to act rather stupidly. I know there is no comparison to Kelly’s actions vs Ramona, but Ramona seems to be getting absolution for reacting rather shabbily in the past. Jill is in a class by herself because her behavior is based more on the Green Eyed Monster and her determination to destroy a perceived enemy in Bethenny. She is deplorable.

    Ramona appears to be more outrageous when she is drinking. But her loyalties seem to flip flop all over the place when it suits her. Just saying.

    • error 404 says:

      True, but one exception: Ramona was 3 sheets to the wind for most of her VI getaway, and didn’t really act out once. She seemed sober for her bridge outburst, which was brutal, and she really didn’t seem very tipsy at all when she had her Silex freak out at the girls only party. The PG makes her want to dance like a fool, and if that’s crazy, we’re all crazy. lol

      It’s obvious that R is damaged from her parents, and telling her such damage has an expiration date isn’t gonna make it go away. She admitted to being in therapy, and her marriage seems as real as anyones, so…

      But I think her mania is just who she is, and either you can take it or you can’t. I have some manic friends who my more chills friends just can’t be around. I think it’s great that she an Silex worked through their differences, I hope it lasts.

      She seems to be one of the few cast members who understand it’s a show, and show a crafty way of stirring up things. As off the hook as her Creekybones bar shit stirring was, it also helped show B what kind of bff Jill is.

      I also missed the part where she sided with J&L after the ambush. At Jen’s “party” she made a point of saying the ambush would have worked had Lulu not ruined it. I think her advice to B is: keep Jill a “friend” but know what you’re dealing with. She’s not your true friend, but you really don’t want this bitch mad at you either.

  393. otaypanky says:

    I think Ramona stays true to herself. I recall her saying during the abuse of Lu and Jill claiming she set up an “ambush”, “I’m a good girl”. Very revealing. We know she was an abused child and witnessed the abuse of her mother.
    Talk about reliving the past. I feel for Ramona. Yes, she has shot her mouth off. But, she just states things how she views them. I have never witnessed Ramona having to be in an alliance. Her alliance is with her husband, daughter and businesses, in that order. She never attempted to purposely humilate anyone. She lives her life. You’ve gotta give her credit for running out of Jen’s party with a “Call me in the morning”. She so obviously has a life, that she built and she lives.

  394. desertgal66 says:

    1. Ramona pointing out the signage to Jill at the charity party which sent Jill over the edge and created an unneeded fissure when the liquor was donated.

    Okay, but I don’t think we can blame Ramona for that one. It wasn’t as if the liquor company put signs up all over the room-just behind the bar, and they were entitled to do so. All Jill had to do in response was what she ultimately did-take down a few of the signs. Jill’s choice to go off on Bethenny over it was Jill’s choice. And Jill knows damn good and well if a company donates thousands of dollar of liquor to a charity event, they’re going to put up signage. It’s called “corporate sponsorship” – remember Jill blasting Kelly over that very thing at the last reunion show?

    2. Ramona yelling on the open phone line to Jill regarding Lu Ann’s possible past indescretions.

    Yeah, that wasn’t nice. Regardless of what Ramona thinks, she shouldn’t have said that on camera.

    3. Ramona/Bethenny on the Brooklyn Bridge. Self explanatory.

    Ramona apologized.

    4. Ramona sort of siding with Jill and Lu Ann after Jill refused to accept Bethenny’s apology in her apartment.

    Ramona was wrong, but I think that was her flakiness-and I don’t think she had all the facts.

    5. Ramona walking out of the “Girls Night Out Party” because Simon was there.

    Which was rude as hell, but Ramona did apologize.

    6. Ramona not hiding her dislike of Simon the first night she met him.

    Which was impolite as hell, but she and Simon did eventually work things out between them.

    7. Ramona making fun of Kelly’s breasts at the Saks party than claiming innocence in again, “telling it like it is”.

    Which was extremely rude…but, again, Ramona’s a flake. And Kelly’s breasts do point in two different directions.

    8. Ramona creating an unnecessary scene at the Kodak event and telling Kelly to “just shut up”.

    That was rude. But, okay, Jill and LuAnn came on Ramona’s boat trip and acted like a couple of prima donna’s because Mario, not Ramona, had called LuAnn “Countless”. It WAS a nasty remark, but Ramona didn’t say it. LuAnn should have called Mario out on it, not his wife. So, they haven’t always treated Ramona very well, either. I think it could be called even.

    9. Ramona refusing the invitation to attend Alex’s open house because she was not sure she would be fed on time.

    Yeah, that was pretty flaky.

    I agree, Ramona can be nasty, especially when she’s been drinking. And she shouldn’t be excused for that. But she has the decency to apologize for at least some her behavior. Jill, LuAnn, Kelly – they never do.

    • otaypanky says:

      I agree. Ramona is true. True to herself and family.

      • TLM says:

        Yes, R does apologize. I just think she could save herself and everyone else aggravation if she would think before speaking sometimes. Then she wouldn’t have to apologize. Eventually people tire of hearing apologies over and over when the same behavior is repeated.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I think Ramona is nasty when she’s not drinking. The drinking is self-medication to mellow her out. It dampens her natural impulsivity.

  395. otaypanky says:

    You will never see Ramona throwing her daughter under the bus for “An obnoxious need for air time”.
    Ramona has been running away from the nastiness. She could care less about her air time. She works. Loves her family. With Ramona, you get what you get.
    What some may perceive as her “switching sides” is just Ramona saying what she really feels. She is not in an alliance. Not in anyones alliance.

    • error 404 says:

      Ramona plays the show like it’s Survivor. She very craftily stirs shit and then apologizes for it, insuring herself at least two scenes. She’s a master at starting things, almost like she’s the show’s MC. There was absolutely no real world reason for her to debrief B on Jill’s ‘dead dad text meltdown’ at lunch, but she did kick-off three days of Kelly attacking B, and just sat back PG in hand and watched the fireworks.

      The show focuses on Kelly vs B and Jill vs B, but Lulu and Ramona have had a long simmering feud for 3 years now. They clearly hate each other. Ramona may be a hot mess of an open book, but Lulu phony-balloney enrages her. She never misses a chance to burst the bubble of Lulu’s fairytale perfect marriage. And again, as ride as she is, she has a point. If you had an open marriage a sleep around a lot, why make a big deal on camera about you being the poor wronged wife left all alone and clueless that your marriage even had problems. It’s an insult to all the poor women whom really have this happen to them.

  396. Adios Lunatic says:

    Has anyone noticed that neither the Today show nor the KLG and Hoda hour have said a single word about this? Bravo is owned by NBC Universal and they have the Housewives on all the time — particularly with KLG and Hoda. Bravo just had the biggest ratings of their life and not a single word? Odd. According to Bethenny’s tweet yesterday she was having lunch with Hoda so I thought maybe a mention this morning — so far (20+ minutes in) nothing. Many times Andy is on discussing “what’s happening” so maybe some acknowledgement will be made……….

  397. Hooked On Housewives says:


    “Just a thought. I doubt she has too much contact with them, anyway, and she certainly doesn’t seem to know how to communicate with them.”

    I don’t think Kellamity has much contact with real lif never mind her children…LOL

  398. yesIwatchthiscrap says:

    Hi all, I was gone for the weekned, saw this post but couldn’t comment on my phone….well didn’t want to try at least lol.
    Has anyone else had issues with trying to post comments? I would click on the comments and my computer would freeze up. I have commented on wordpress blogs before…..just not ones with this many comments. Just curious, keep it up anyway Lynn! This is my guilty plessure show (just the NY one, don’t watch the others) and it’s nice to see other’s POV.
    Anyway, I haven’t had time to read through all the other comments, and since this isn’t TWOP I know I won’t get banned for not doing that (lol). BUt I did want to make a point.
    After thinking it over the weekend I wonder if this is all fake. Like how the Hills is fake. Maybe Kelly is amping up the drama and trying to appear crazy. I know she can’t be that good of an actress, but the thing is with schizohrenia you don’t have to be a good actress. This could actually explain the running away crying/laughing thing she did. She couldn’t hold it together and had to go offscreen to collect herself.
    I do think she does have a personality disorder…but then again just about anyone who appears on a reality show has one. Like others have pointed out she just wants to attention. PR101, any attention good or bad gets your name out there. I think Andy realizes that she is amping it up and that is why he is brushing it off. But to me acting, or real….the behavoir she displayed was not entertainment.
    Mental health is not something to joke about, or entertain with. Many of us have experienced a scene similar to the dinner scene in AVI. It’s not something I would want to profit off of, obviously Andy does not have the same moral compass.

    OK onto Jill. Wouldn’t it be fun to have a mass unfollow from Twitter/facebook? Like in the middle of the next show just stop following her with a “Oh Jill, you are vile and I can no longer follow you”…or whatever? Even if you aren’t following her now, just for her to have hudreds of people drop her at once. I know most of you may not follow her now but you could follow her just to drop her. My opinion of her honestly hasn’t changed. I never liked her much, but I don’t exactly “hate” her…..to me she is the same as she was in season 1, I just never saw her appeal.
    I was following “twitmaxine” just to see what dimwitted things she came up with. But after she claim that the 4 ladies tried to “gaslight” (and who uses that term anyway?) Kelly, I had to stop feeding into her. I thought I would miss her delusions…but oh boy I don’t!

  399. Olivia says:

    It is ironic how each of us sees things differently in some cases. For me, Ramona apologizing so frequently each time she ejects another inappropriate comment is just not good enough. Sure she apologizes but she continues to “tell it like it is” and uses that excuse to distance herself from the fact that she is often just plain rude. What she is actually saying is that I will continue to spout out whatever comes into my head without censorship and all will be forgiven when I apologize later.

    I agree that she does exhibit a conscience, and probably has some misgivings over some of her behavior, but she still manages to qualify those remarks by insisting this is who she is. Most of us try to be more mindful of saying our true thoughts out
    loud for fear of offense but she seems to delight in doing so. One that stands out is putting Lu Ann on the spot for telling Alex and Simon that Lu Ann did not want to invite them to the Labor Day picnic which must have hurt Alex deeply. There was no reason why she had to be told that and though it made Lu Ann uncomfortable, the damage of that moment was felt by Alex. That episode was another display of Ramona sucking up the wine at whatever event that was supposed to be.

    I may take pleasure in seeing Lu Ann squirm, but it did not sit well when watching the reaction on Alex’s face when she learned that she may have been deliberately excluded. That was just mean and unnecessary and I don’t much care how bad Ramona’s earlier life may have been, it is just something you don’t do to someone just for the sake of “telling it like it is”.

    One reason why I am not a big fan of Ramona.

    • yesIwatchthiscrap says:

      Olivia: kind of agree with you on Ramona. I like her a little this season, she seems more like a nice person. But past seasons I really didn’t like her. I hate when people use the phrase “tell it like it is” to be rude. It’s not an acceptable excuse for me. Asking Kelly about her breasts was mortifying, in a differnt setting it would have been fine. But she kind of ambushed her about it. Kelly could have handled it differently too.

    • error 404 says:

      I’m tellin ya, she’s the only who realizes she on a show. Ramon’s attack and apologize routine insures her two scenes. She’s the only one who seems to have any friends, at least ones that will admit to it and appear on camera with her, and you don’t get all those friends and a long marriage by ‘telling it like it is”. She plays the other women against each other because she’s on a show, and if she didn’t at least half, if not more, of the story-lines would disappear. Who wants to watch Kelly get interviewed, or Lulu go for drinks with her niece, or Jill have Bobby buy her thing…ugh. These 3 went on the show just to show off. they think a camera following them around just living is entertainment for the peasant masses. Let them eat cake. Ramona knows she’s on TV. She forces most of the plot lines along.

      • error 404 says:

        For ex: Jill threw a party, B cooked, Lulu didn’t show. What a friggin snooze fest!

        Alex took her husband to a girls only party, how wildly inappropriate.

        And Ramona threw a hissy fit. It was like a scene out of “come dine with me”.

        Jill thought she’d have a show just showing off how she hosts parties. But without Alex and Ramona acting wildly inappropriate, we’d all turn the channel and never speak of said party ever again. Some of them understand what reality tv is, others think they’re on ‘MTV cribs’ or ‘lives of the rich and famous’.

    • TLM says:

      I think people eventually tire of hearing apologies when the same person repeats the behavior over and over. That said, I do think Ramona has changed somewhat. I wanted to throttle her in the beginning of the season for saying, “I’m renewing myself” every 5 seconds (couldn’t have been a plug for TruRenewal, right?!?), but take the scene at Jen Gilbert’s apartment. I think the old Ramona would have been front and center in the middle of that argument, and instead she just left. That’s not to say she didn’t have her doozies this season, but hey, change is a process. 😉

      I am actually dreading this Thursday’s show, because it sounds like it will be more painful to watch than a 2-hour special of Intervention. Jill is the most self-centered person I think I’ve ever seen on tv. She thinks that because SHE decided it’s time to make up, all she has to do is show up with a gift for Bethenny at the beach, and Whitney Houston’s “I Will Always Love You” is going to play in the background as she and Bethenny run toward each other in slow motion?? She kicked Bethenny in the teeth several times, and eventually, you stop trying. Then you start wondering why you even tried so hard to get back in the person’s good graces to begin with. The time was long past for Bethenny, and Jill just doesn’t get it. Moreover, Alex told her in no uncertain terms that “Now would be the the time to reach out to Bethenny” if JZ had even a less than 1% inkling. That’s pretty darn clear, and most people don’t get that kind of a heads-up. So what the F was Jill bitching about that she “didn’t know” about B’s father?? She knew more than most people did. And after making the ridiculous scene at Jen G’s apartment where she yelled at Ramona and — WTF? — ran into a PANTRY — JZ had the ultimate gall to turn to Jennifer and say with a dumb fake smile, “Look at this drama Alex is causing at your party…I apologize.” Were you not here for the screaming and the psycho-pantry run, Jill? At least Alex kept her voice down and had some respect for Jen’s family, who were trying to sleep. Or wasn’t keeping one’s voice down when one is a guest in someone else’s home covered in “Secrets of a Meddling Yenta”???

      Sigh. Sorry, I just needed to vent about that one.

    • MorgaineSwann says:

      I don’t believe Ramona is able to curb her outbursts. She knows she gets out of hand when she’s manic, so she apologizes when she comes down, and she rationalizes her behavior by saying she’s being honest.

  400. desertgal66 says:

    Oh, please, don’t get me wrong – I’m not a big fan of Ramona’s, either. Her flakiness and her drinking makes me want to smack her at times. And I absolutely agree that she has done some extremely rude and obnoxious things at times.

    But, in comparison with Jill, LuAnn, and Kelly, I believe, for the most part, that Ramona is a good hearted woman who just never learned to think before she speaks. I’ve nothing against honesty, or being true to one’