I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of New Jersey 5-24-10

I Hate Jill Zarin    Real Housewives of New Jersey                                               May 24, 2010

Is it ok that I call this the “I Hate Jill Zarin” blog even though it is about New Jersey? 

Before I get into the episode I wanted to talk a little about an incident on Twitter that happened last week relating to the New Jersey Housewives. 

As you all know Jacqueline has a daughter named Ashley.  Ashley is 18-years old and has a twitter account.  Last week she posted a tweet that was, in my opinion, extremely out of line and completely unnecessary in regards to Danielle’s daughter, Christine. 

I would rather not go into detail about what the tweet said, just trust that while it made Danielle look bad, it also was an embarrassment and potentially devastating to Christine.  I do not believe Christine has a twitter account, so the good news is hopefully Christine never saw Ashley’s tweet and hopefully no one told her about it.  (wishful thinking)

In any case, some people who saw Ashley’s post asked her to remove it.  Some asked nicely and others were not so nice and told her she should be ashamed of herself and things like that.  Still other’s tweeted Jacqueline to ask her to intervene and have Ashley remove the tweet. 

What ensued was, to put it nicely, an argument on Twitter involving several people.  Some people thought it was wrong to tweet Jacqueline since her daughter is 18 and can make her own decisions.  A few thought it was wrong to ask Ashley to remove the tweet , arguing that she can post what she wants to post.  Others were berating Ashley for posting it at all.  Of course, with this many conflicting opinions of what Ashley did, people started to tweet at each other with their viewpoint and it got ugly as people began to attack each other personally and there was a lot of unnecessary hits below the belt, it got completely out of control. 

In the end, Ashley did remove the tweet but she didn’t leave it at that, she posted a nasty tweet to anyone who asked her to remove it, basically saying she removed it but it was no one’s business and she can post what she wants.  This, after many people thanked her for doing the right thing and telling her she was a class act for removing it.  The aftermath left people who used to be friendly and used to enjoy each other’s tweets being blocked from each other on Twitter. 

Ashley was, understandably irritated that people tweeted her mother.   In the end, I hope that Ashley doesn’t do anything like this again.  As I have said the kids on the shows should not be dragged into their parents mess’s on these shows.  Christine did not deserve to be made a fool of on Twitter, she isn’t on Twitter and she is just a 15 year old kid and cannot control what her mother does, nor should she be harassed for it.  While Ashley is only 3 years older than Christine, I would hope she would have a little empathy for Christine, but I saw no evidence of any empathy or regret from Ashley whatsoever! 

I don’t want to be over-dramatic about the whole situation, but we’ve all seen this type of thing on the news and while it may be rare, we have seen kids do very desperate things as a result of being bullied on the internet.    

So, this is part of the reason that this will be my last “official” blog about The Real Housewives of New Jersey.  At least I do know I won’t be formally blogging every week about the show.  This show, unlike any of the other Real Housewives franchises, has children front and center and I am not comfortable talking about them.  It is difficult to discuss the episodes without mentioning the children.  In addition to that, the season has started off very slow and I don’t want to commit to writing every week.  I will blog when I find an episode particularly interesting or if I have something to say about things that went on that week. I will continue to do at least one maybe even two per week on the New York show through the reunion shows.  I may even blog about other shows if they interest me so I hope you will all still visit often.   If there are any shows that you all watch and are interested in discussing, please let me know.  I’ve already gotten requests to blog about Big Brother and I do love that show, so I most likely will do BB.  Any others that you all watch???  I thought about an “I Hate Patti Stanger” blog but that would mean having to watch her show…augh! 

My friend, ImstillToni  and I plan on collaborating on blogs, we’re working out the details but she is hysterical and I think we make a pretty good team, she loves the Jersey girls and will be blogging weekly so I hope you’ll visit her site as well.   We may take turns, we may write them together, we may both write blogs on the same episode, but we definitely respect each other’s writing so if you haven’t read any of her blogs, I think you will really love them!   I hope you will read both of our blogs.  You can find her blogs at: 


So last week I found it interesting that both Caroline and Dina included in their blogs on Bravotv.com that viewers should go and read Jacqueline’s blog.  When I read that, my first thought was, how do both Dina and Caroline know what Jac’s blog says?  Does she run it past them for approval before she is allowed to post it? 

Every now and then I post my comments on the Bravo blogs, mostly as an experiment to see if they will actually approve them.   This week I posted on all 6 of the blogs (including Alex’s guest blog)  Half were posted: 

TO Jacqueline:


Both Dina and Caroline posted in their blogs that we should read YOUR blog. I find that odd…did you have to get your blog approved by the sisters prior to posting it? How do they know what is in your blog?

Your ENTIRE blog is consumed with Danielle, so who is stalking whom?


TO Dina:

Doesn’t Lexi’s family have to approve shooting in their salon? If you forbid it, why did they allow Danielle to film there? Are you angry with them???

Sorry but you have become the creepy cat lady!


TO Caroline:

 I do like you and have respect for you. I would like to know why you never, ever gave Danielle a chance. You hated her from day one even before the book was revealed. Why? It seems to me that Danielle needs friends as she seems to have none, no family..it is no wonder she talks to her daughters as friends.

Where is your big heart when it comes to a woman in need?

Finally, why are you and Dina directing us to read Jacqueline’s blog? Do you pre-approve her blogs? How do you know what it says before she posts it?

I was listening to an interview on Real Fan’s Club the other night with Alex & Simon.  When asked about the Bravo blogs they both expressed their frustration with them as well.  Simon indicated he wasn’t sure exactly how they chose which comments to post but that the process is erratic.  In Simon’s example he said it could be an unpaid intern logging into the blogs in the middle of the night to go in and approve them.  Bravo doesn’t take the blogs all that seriously, in fact as we’ve seen, at times one person over at Bravo will approve a comment and then another person will go in and delete it. 

Case in point, shortly after the RHONY episode aired where Bethenny had visited her sick/dying father, some heartless person posted something about how similar Bethenny is to her father, cold and unfeeling.  This moron who posted it even admitted to never having heard of Bethenny’s father but proceeded to tell Bethenny that she was just like him.  It was mean-spirited and below the belt, in my opinion yet some genius over at Bravo decided to approve the post.  When I saw it, I tweeted how idiotic those people over at Bravo are for posting that and I directed my tweet to, BravoTV, BravoPR, BravoProducer and BravoAndy.  Shortly after, the post was deleted.  I doubt my tweet had anything to do with it being removed, hopefully someone over at Bravo is reviewing the web site and saw how inappropriate that post was and deleted it. 

I have even seen Bravo sensor the housewives blogs themselves.  Alexis Bellino from the OC was blogging about the “girls weekend” and defending her husband coming along.  Alexis blogged that, after all, Vicki didn’t pay for the trip, so why should Vicki dictate who can and can’t go.  That part of Alexis’ blog was gone shortly after Alexis posted her blog. 

The Bravo blog comments are just as frustrating as ever, they so clearly pick and choose based on what they want people to think of each of these housewives.  You can see who they like and who they don’t.  They also seem to choose those with the poorest grammar and spelling, or those that make no sense.  I actually saw one on Bethenny’s current blog telling her good luck with the pregnancy and upcoming birth……um how could they not know she already delivered the baby?  It is not only in the blog above, but it was all over the news.  Clearly Bravo doesn’t take the blogs seriously, Alex & Simon told us that they are not obligated to write blogs, there is nothing in the contract requiring blog writing.  We also know that people at Bravo told Sonja not to read the comments, possibly they were trying to shield her in case she faced a lot of negativity.  Maybe it is time for Bravo to take the blogs more seriously, it is their opportunity to listen to fans, what fans like, what fans dislike, it should be held as invaluable free focus group quality information that typically would cost them a fortune. 

Speaking of Real Fan’s Club, I recommend joining if you’re a RH fan, it is free and you can find them at:


They have great info, interviews and chat during the RH shows. 

One last thing before we get to the NJ Housewives…

Jennifer Gilbert, the newest possible housewife!  The other day she was on Twitter and she couldn’t figure out how to respond to people.  Then she sent me a direct message (private) and I wasn’t able to respond to it because she wasn’t following me.  After I got her to follow me we had an hour long conversation in private DM’s on Twitter.  She asked a lot of questions but in the end, still didn’t seem to “get it”.  She doesn’t know how to respond to tweets in public, she only tweets to the general public or tweets in private direct messages.  I walked her through doing one but she hasn’t done any since, so I don’t think she remembers what I taught her.

I even sent a private DM to Simon asking him if he or Alex would be willing to show Jen Twitter in person, as it is confusing in 140 character DM’s.  Simon told me that Alex already spent a few hours showing Jen how to use Twitter.  (apparently Andy needs to have a course for his employees)

In addition to the how to’s of Twitter, Jen asked me about what she can say, whether it is acceptable to swear and WHO she should Tweet to from Bravo.  Of course I told her it always looks good if you communicate with Bethenny and Sonja is popular but I told her that she should talk to Jill and Kelly only in private if she can help it.  I talked her through sending Bethenny a nice tweet about B’s new web site that Bethenny had just announced. 

At the end, she asked if I would support her as the newbie on the show and at least give her a chance, maybe convince others to give her a chance.  You may have noticed that I haven’t done that, I haven’t said anything bad about her (until now) but I haven’t been overly supportive either, I’ve basically said nothing….

Here’s my favorite part, after an hour of back and forth messages and struggling with step by step instructions (she was so dense I almost told her to just call me) she never once said “Thank you” or “Thanks” or “I appreciate your time”….nothing! 

Sorry for the lengthy opening, now on to the episode..

Ok, so Teresa gives birth.  Millions of women do it every day, many of us reading here have done it, Teresa did it for the fourth time and while she was a tad bit overdramatic, she put even more of that nasal voice of hers into her moaning and screaming….she had way too much make up on for giving birth, but what do I know, I wouldn’t put any make up on to give birth so maybe she had just the right amount?  The doctor probably thought that one of the clowns from the circus was giving birth…Doc says, “where the hell is Teresa? Oh damn!  It IS Teresa!”  Later Teresa channels her inner Luann and asks, “how do I look?”

Almost immediately after the baby was born she asked if she could dress the baby up?  Apparently Teresa also dresses the baby up as a clown minus the make- up.

Danielle takes her girls out to an uneventful dinner, other than Jillian inadvertently offends Christine, Danielle says, “Hey!  Hey! We’re family and we support one another”. 

Yet another restaurant and Danielle meets with a friend named Kathy.  Kathy explains to Danielle that the diner’s owner has a baby who has cancer.  They are requesting that Danielle attend an event to raise money for the baby’s treatment.  Danielle learns that the benefit will take place at the Manzo family’s Brownstone.  Quite the shock!  Danielle admits it will be awkward but immediately agrees to attend and to help raise money for the baby. 

Dana calls a “Family Meeting” to discuss the advice given to her by Zen Jen. Dina intends to meet with Danielle!  (cue dramatic music) Really?  A tad overdramatic, right?  Predictably Jacqueline says nothing and Caroline tells Dina she feels it is a bad idea.  I must agree, what good could come of this meeting?  Did I hear these New Jersey ladies saying that the other franchises’ create drama and only the Jersey girls are “real”?  Seriously? 

Danielle meets with the stereotypical shady character named, Danny.  Danny, admittedly an ex-con who did time for racketeering.  If the New Jersey ladies want to distance themselves from organized crime, this is not the way to do it! 

This link has information about Danielle’s “Friend” Danny,, who she meets with during the episode.  Danny.  Warning, Spoiler Alert, it does have information about a future episode but please note it also speculates on some issues…


Caroline’s son Christopher decides to move forward with the brilliant idea of combining a car was with a strip club.  During this episode, Chris Manzo visits two examples of successful businesses for one day to learn the in’s and out’s of car wash and a strip club.  Sounds like plenty of time to get a decent education.  Chris correctly informs his brother Albie that there is a lot more to strip club than girls on a stage.  Is this guy a genius or what?  Caroline says she wants her son to run a “respectable” business because there are strip “joints” and strip “clubs”.  I think that maybe the car wash portion of the club is what will make it respectable.  This entire storyline is so contrived and quite frankly, dull. 

Jacqueline’s input into this episode consisted of staring at Dina and Caroline during the “family meeting” and her meeting with her daughter, Ashley.  Ashley visited her mom to apologize, for what?  I have no idea.  Jacqueline suggests that Ashley meet with a Life Coach.  I must say I agree with Ashley, what is the point?  Ashley is like tens of thousands of 18 year old college students and isn’t quite sure what she wants to do in life yet.  To her credit, she has a plan and that plan includes an education, Jacqueline should be thrilled.  So she Ashley has a few different ideas of what she wants to do in life, this isn’t a tragedy, she has time to make decisions. 

Jacqueline is just now learning what is in her husband’s safe?  No one will ever convince me that scene wasn’t set up! 

I don’t think I’m alone here in thinking that the Jersey girls, try as they might, do not support a weekly television show.  Last season was centered around “the book” but how long can this show go on with four ladies trying to avoid one lady?  None of them even have an interesting career to show us.  Bravo followed these ladies around for 6-8 months, and this is the best that they could come up with?  Disappointing! 

I will see you all on Thursday night / Friday morning with my, much more exciting, blog about the New York Housewives!  Just two more episodes left, then the reunion.  Right now I do plan to blog for Bethenny’s Getting Married!  We will see how it goes…

Reminder, for anyone who is or will be in the Chicago area on June 5, Simon and Alex will be coming into town to do a book signing.  Per Simon’s request, I have organized a cocktail / dinner reception for them after their book signing at Cagney’s just a short walk from Barnes & Noble where they are holding their book signing.  This is just two days after the final episode airs and 4 days before the reunion airs!  Contact me for details or just join us!!!

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895 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of New Jersey 5-24-10

  1. Kat says:

    Lynn, thank you for writing your blog and providing a place for like minded people to comment and share information.
    I really do appreciate your effort and this blog. And I’m certain I’m not alone. 🙂

  2. Kat says:

    I didn’t watch RHNJ, but good grief first Danielle goes to her priest for advice dealing with the Manzos and now she has enlisted Danny Provenzano a mob connected bodyguard! I suppose next she’ll buy a Glock.
    Bravo is circling quicksand with Danielle and Kelly.

    It was so much simpler to just Hate Jill Zarin!

  3. Smompy says:

    Oh, how ironical! This is the last official RHoNJ blog, and it’s also the first time I sat through an entire episode this season. Well, almost an entire episode – I got bored a few times and ran though all the channels but found nothing better, so I went back to Jersey. But I really can’t imagine myself watching an episode again. Teresa’s baby with that giant fake flower on her tiny head was cute I guess, but this show is always either boring or depressing me. Where’s the love? Where are the laughs? You’re right, Lynn. There just isn’t enough charisma or humor or wit (or anything else) in these gals to carry a weekly reality show. Obviously many scenes are scripted or staged, yet they’re just as boring as the spontaneous stuff.

    I remember when Bravo first went on the air. They showed movies and operas and artistic type stuff. I certainly don’t want to watch that kind of thing all the time, but from looking at the current line-up and the previews of all the new shows they have in the works, it appears to me that Bravo may be following VH1’s model. If trash sells, let’s give them more & more trash, and let’s make it smellier than ever! As much as I get a kick out of certain trash TV shows, even I have my limits. I might go weep in a corner somewhere over the death of “quality” trash TV on Bravo. Or not. Either one.

    BTW I think Ashley is a spoiled punk. Clearly Jacqueline let her get away with way too much as a child, but it’s too late to change that now. Oh well. Good luck with your life Ashley. You’ll learn something eventually.

    The fact that Jen is too dense to figure out how to tweet properly kinda makes me want to like her, but the no “Thank You” thing is not acceptable at all! From what I’ve seen of them, event planners tend to be rude and pushy (I suppose that may be a valuable trait in that kind of job?), but for a woman who’s asking for help in getting herself onto a TVs show and being given that help by strangers, her lack of common courtesy is bad. Very bad. Jen, please pack your knives, turn in your rose, give Flav his clock back, extinguish your torch and leave. Thankfully, we still have Sonja to amuse us.

    Yay Sonja!

  4. Jillousyness says:

    I should imagine this would go without saying but I hope you blog about Bethenny’s new show.
    Yeah, I got caught up in the Ashley twitter debacle last week too. She is a very rude and mouthy young lady. I didn’t get in any twitter arguments with anyone else but Ashley just pissed me off. I just told her I thought what she was putting out there about Danielle was wrong and unnecessary and that her actions could affect Christine, her mom’s (Jacqueline) career on the show and reflect badly on her mom (I never asked her to delete or remove her tweet). Ashley tweeted me back directly, told me off (!) and said Andy Cohen didn’t have any problems with what she was doing. Then she tweeted me again with something smart-mouthed so I blocked her and left it at that. I don’t need the aggravation of arguing with a snotty teenager.

    I’m finding the NJ Housewives’ show slow and boring and hard to get into. I don’t have a problem that the children are on the show but I think they should be more peripheral and not be front and center – at least the minor children. On the other hand the adult children aren’t very interesting themselves. The one that was fun and worth watching was Lexi but for whatever the reason she isn’t on this year (not a bad thing after all). The 4 main women all against Danielle is a tired story line by now and they either need to get Danielle some friends (if it’s possible) and get something going or this show isn’t going to last.

    • CarrieCinKY says:

      I didn’t get into it with her, but I did read quite a few of her tweets, and some comments from other tweeters… it was crazy!
      She shouldn’t be slamming anyone, Ashley isn’t the center of the show… I would post a few of her comments, but out of respect for Lynn, I won’t.
      I just wanted to say that I commend you for putting her in her place… I decided against it b/c I was angry with her, & I didn’t want to say anything to her I might later regret. It’s hard for me to watch/read what she does. She has so much potential, but doesn’t embrace it, instead acting like a spoiled brat, expecting things to be given to her b/c she’s “doing better” or “staying out of trouble”…
      What do you think about Ashley attacking Danielle? (which I think we’re going ot see in one of the episodes, probably the last one before the reunion) Violence doesn’t solve anything, and to be quite frank, I’ve seen alot of disturbing behavior from Ashley… she’s grown now, does that mean too little, too late?

      • Jillousyness says:

        I do regret even bothering with her. She’s immature and I shouldn’t have gone down to her level. She accused me of ‘stalking’ her. It’s like talking to Kelly Bensimon. They’ll never get it or admit when they’re wrong. As far as her attacking Danielle – again she was totally in the wrong. Regardless of how she feels about D. she isn’t really involved in the actual situation. It’s for her mother to deal with, even though she feels like she’s protecting her mom. She just made things worse and I’m glad she had charges pressed against her. She’s not going to listen to anyone else but she has to listen to the courts. Honestly I think she’s going to end up being a loser with no education or training. She’s spoiled and is going to have to find things out the hard way. No one can tell her anything.

  5. Kat says:

    An excerpt:
    “Despite such strong-arm tactics, Valenzano says, he rejected Provenzano’s demand to turn over his company the day he showed up at his office in 1997 and instead says he reported the assault to the authorities. Two years later Provenzano and others were charged with conducting a ”reign of terror” against a number of businesses, including threatening one executive with a baseball bat and hiring a man to smash the thumb of an employee with a hammer. Valenzano’s case wasn’t included in the indictment.”

  6. chismosa says:

    Hi Lynn, just getting back to your new blogs, i have yet to catch up on your NY update from this weekend; I happened to see Alex & Simon at a book signing, and i mentioned i love you and read your blog and signed the PETITION like 100x. They were fantastic and very impressive, as expected.

    Can anyone give me the gist or a screen-shot of the tweet that Ashley put out? where can i find that, i dont tweet, nor plan on starting.
    thanks, love you lynn!

  7. desertgal66 says:

    Great blog, Lynn. Truth to tell, I didn’t even watch the NJ gals last night. They’re just too boring.

    I did glance through People Mag’s article about Danielle’s book while i was waiting in the checkout line yesterday. (No chance in hell I’ll waste my money buying the actual book.) The quotes from the book were bizarre. Danielle stated that she didn’t find out she was adopted until she was in her teens, and that her adopted mother is the one who told her all about her birth mother’s history. Uh…doubtful. That type of information wasn’t available to adoptive parents back then. Of course, considering the discrepancies in Danielle’s tales about her birth mother, it follows that she would blame that on someone else-and her adoptive mother is conveniently dead and can’t refute anything Danielle says.

    Then, and here’s the kicker: Danielle said that she “couldn’t be sure” the story her adoptive mother told her was true, but that she has “always had a taste for luxury and the finer things in life”-and since she grew up in a household that didn’t feature much luxury or finer things, then she must have “developed those tastes in the womb” and, therefore, the story about her birth mother being a rich Italian girl who got herself into trouble and was shipped off to Podunk, Pennsylvania MUST be true.

    Yeah, okay, Danielle. Whackjob.

    She also, apparently, confesses in the book, that she was a call girl-not a hooker-and that she only had three or four regular clients (I forgot what the specific number was, but it was very low). Okay, but how many “irregular” clients did you have, Danielle?

    Whackjob, part deux.

    Seriously, the thought of reading a book by and about Danielle is about as appealing to me as poking my own eye out with a spork. I mean, WHO CARES?

    • desertgal66 says:

      I should add that I have serious doubts about Danielle’s claim of childhood sexual abuse. She claims in the book that her bedroom was “like a revolving door” for all male members of her family, and that the abuse started when she was a toddler.

      While I don’t want to categorically call the woman a liar about such a delicate subject, there’s something about Danielle’s entire story-which seems to change daily- that doesn’t ring true. Remember, this gal also once claimed that her ex husband “raped her on a bed of broken glass”-a charge that he denies, and even passed a lie detector test to support his denial.

      Narcissistic/histrionic personality? I think so. Sexually abused? I’m just not sure.

  8. emt2 says:


    This proves that Kelly was removed by producers because she was insane.

    Thanks for the recap Lynn. I agree. I think that the New Jersey show is so boring. The whole Danielle thing is so played out.

    I have serious issues with Bravo for allowing all of this mafia, drugs, guns, kidnapping, ex convicts, etc. to air. It’s not just good drama. People get killed over this kind of stuff. D changed her name for a reason. It’s called retaliation and her ex, during that dinner with Jacqueline, Teresa and Albie, mentioned that the Columbian drug dealers may come after Danielle. That is serious. Very serious. This isn’t Law and Order, Bravo.

    I won’t be watching the show anymore.

  9. Quincy IL says:

    I am not going to watch NJ anymore. The subject matter is not interesting to me.
    The women are not intelligent. Not one of the women on the show went to college. How many times can we watch them spending cash for kinda ugly stuff.

    Please blog on Bethenny’s show. I am going to watch the artist’s competition as I try to create art also.

    • MAMAZ says:

      I will also be watching the artist competition show. I am so sick of these programs that showcase women who create nothing, contribute nothing and take as much as they can. I wish they would show more Ramona at work, Bethenny at work. But NOT LuAnn singing. She bought her way, with Bravo’s money no less, into the music biz. Anyone with the money can record a song. And NOT Kelly pretending to work. Asking men on the street if they wear underwear isn’t journalism. And NOT Shill hawking a book her sister wrote but she claims credit for. I like 9ByDesign because they DO something, Project Runway because it is a TALENT based competition. The NYC housewives eat lunch and go to parties. I don’t respect that.

    • Jillousyness says:

      Theresa did go to college and graduated. She worked until right before she had their first daughter.

      • sbh says:

        Theresa went to college?!!? I am so sad for the educational system in America if a woman who can barely speak English, whose thoughts border on the mundane to downright stupid, graduated from college. How scary!

  10. Kat says:

    Kelly’s day is now a twitter “Goodmorninggg tweeterpants :
    16 minutes ago via txt
    That’s just too damn cheerful.

    • otaypanky says:

      cartwheels and rainbows. gummi bears and lollypops.

      • Laura says:

        @ otaypanky…..That should read “cartwheels and rainbows. “gum berries” and lollypops. Kelly was so – whatever -messed up on the “sugar” in her gummi bears she called them ‘gum berries’….this along with her, in the previous episode, almost walking through the glass doors on the yacht, when they didn’t open….had me in stitches for hours everytime I thought about it….

    • MAMAZ says:

      Shouldn’t that be “Goodmorninggg tweakerpants.”

  11. emt2 says:

    I went back to Season 1 and read the blogs to see how much things have changed or remained the same.

    This is what Ramona wrote in one of her blogs:

    Jill by her own admission was very insecure in high school and still is at times today. She likes taking Bethenny under her wing. Bethenny has no home in the Hamptons for Jill to compete with, and Bethenny is not married so there is no conflict in social standing. Bethenny by her own admission does not have many friends, so there is no competition from other girlfriends with Jill. Jill is bringing Bethenny into her world – her home, her friends, her social standing. There is no competition between Bethenny and Jill at all, where there is with Jill and me. What I meant when I called Bethenny the underdog is that that Jill is not threatened by Bethenny, which is why they get along so well and really never have any conflicts the way Jill and I do.

    I can’t believe that Ramona had so much insight and hit the nail on the head 2 and a half years before Jill and B’s fallout.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Ramona has good insight, she just doesn’t have any impulse control. She blurts things out, then thinks better of it and apologizes

  12. otaypanky says:

    Leave it to Danielle to find a man who has obviously never been socialized and bring him on as her “protector”. Where is the dad of her children?

  13. boston02127 says:

    As usual ~ great blog Lynn. Your efforts are appreciated. I don’t care for the NJ show either. I don’t like any of the woman on the show. Their not very smart and I find their lives sad and dull. I’m hoping for a new Bethenny blog! It will be nice to have a place to chat & post with others from this blog. I enjoy reading everyones posts, there are a lot of nice people on her. Also, Yeah Big Brother!

  14. otaypanky says:

    emt: That’s why I’m liking Ramona more and more. What at first seemed to be sniping, turned out to be the reality of the situation. She is just not a crazy as she first came across, not by a long shot.

  15. Eve says:

    I think this show is boring as well….the kids are boring…the cats are boring….the women only have Danielle for drama and I think that’s boring. I agree that Ashley is a brat and there is nothing interesting about her on camera. I watched it this am……Teresa getting an epi? Riveting.
    I totally agree with your decision to stop blogging on this one. NJ is dead.

  16. Kat says:

    I *think* Ramona and Jill knew each other before the show.

    I’ve watched Big Brother, a few of the seasons. Watched the live feeds from season 1 or 2 I think. I know I’ll check in here after RHNY, the blog has become a habit.
    There are some really nice posters on here and a ton of laughs.

  17. MAMAZ says:

    Lynn – Jennifer Gilbert not saying thanks or acknowledging the time you gave her speaks volumes about the type of person she is, another JZ. haven’t liked the little I’ve seen of her this season and now I like her even less.

  18. anniieee says:

    Please do Big Brother… I do love that show…I will not watch NJ anymore..too “Kreepy” and too angst ridden not too mention boring. I put this up on the other blog. It is a picture of Gilles “new girlfriend”


    She looks a lot like Kelly..must be a type. However she has brains and is highly respected in the art world–not just because of the name Picasso–but because of her creditionals-which are real-unlike his 3rd wife. Have a gummy berry day everyone!

  19. emt2 says:

    At first, I really enjoyed the relationship that B and Jill had together season 1 and 2. But rereading their blogs, I kinda feel a bit differently. They were mean girls together and B was very harsh:

    In one of B’s blogs she says:

    I am not a fan of the I love Simon van Kempen Facebook club. The fans have been easier on them because Jill and I have been much nicer to them, but their desperation and delusion never ceases to amaze any of us. What they do on and off camera in a failed attempt to get ahead is incredible.

    Simon is so incredibly revolting that I thought Ramona’s reaction would be priceless. Plus Mario was so overly intense about this match that I thought it would disarm him.

    I still love B but I totally understand why people say that she gets away with saying some really nasty things and it’s not fair. I don’t think she is evil or malicious but I do think that B liked to say really mean things about people and was very competitive.

    I still love her, though.

    • scared but still a fan says:

      I kind of agree with you emt2. I’ve always said that while I like Bethany a lot and she’s very “real” that she’d be a bit difficult to have as a friend. Her style is very blunt and pulls no punches. I have no doubt she thought Simon and Alex were completely vile in earlier seasons until she took the time to get to know them (and admittedly they’ve calmed down or w/e .. they come across differently in this season especially).

      I love B and think she’s the star of the show but I do think she can be vicious to friends and enemies alike. The difference is with friends, she’ll turn around and defend you just as vehemently. B strikes me as “I can pick on them but you can’t” sort of friend.

    • sbh says:

      I agree with you, and I think it has something to do with the claws we are seeing in Jill and Luann. I think they figured (especially Jill), “here was Bethenny saying whatever she wanted, and everyone still loves her–in fact, they like her the most–so why can’t I do that to? Why do I have to play at being so nice? I’ll make mean, snippy comments and people will love me instead of her.” In fact, I recall Jill saying once in the beginning of this season that they are just being like Bethenny–like, no harm done. The problem is, exactly as you said, Bethenny will give bad, but she will give good too. She has no problem apologizing and she is funny and kind and generous too. Jill’s comments aren’t funny, clever or on the mark. Instead they come out as mean and petty. Not everyone can be a Bethenny–Jill has neither the self-esteem nor the brains to pull off Bethenny’s balls out approach. Also, I find that Bethenny gets kinder in the second season, and in this season she is stellar. Jill, misunderstanding how Bethenny’s learned and grown and how much the viewers appreciate that, has just deteriorated and become childish and nasty.

      Also, Silex was a bunch of social climbers that disgusted everybody in the beginning. Thank G-d, now that they have some of the social standing they so coveted, they are not being obnoxious about it. But then, in the beginning, in their rundown home, talking about Jill like she was a commodity, they were kinda gross. They too have grown.

      Ramona is another example. She is unrecognizable from the phsyco she used to be. Now she seems like a woman with poor impulse control, and a little social awkwardness (I mean, who goes over in a social gathering to a couple and says that so-and-so said mean things about you–in front of so-and-so’s face?! It may be true, but besides embarrassing so-and-so [who will deny it], you also humiliate the couple! Other than being bitchy, you accomplish nothing! The couple already knows what s0-and-so is saying about them, they don’t need to be reminded in such a way, when all they were doing was being polite), but overall she is more sensitive and humble. The over-the-top self-promotion, pettiness, and jealousy, and is what annoys people so much (Kelly, Luann, Jill). No growth, no redeeming quality, no benefits.

  20. anniieee says:

    Just saw on page 2 of the link I added…a picture of Kelleeeeeeeeeeey… she was there as well. Hmmmmmm

  21. Kat says:

    Kelly is really confused. 2 tweets about Chief: @smithgranade chief has made us so happy. she was brought here with pilots and paws.
    about 11 hours ago via web in reply to smithgranade

    chief did his business outside. woooooooooooooooooo sweet angel
    about 1 hour ago via web

    So is it a male pup or what?

  22. Earring Girl says:

    Stopped watching NJ Wives after the table flipping (way too trashy). B’s Show and Big Brother will be a great blog! Thanks Lynn.

  23. ImStillToni says:

    Did someone mention Big Brother? LOL
    Thank again for the love Lynn…just wanted to swing by here before posting my NJ blog and I wanted to share, with everyone, my complete and total BB addiction makes it blogging about BB MANDATORY. I’ve audtitioned for the past 5 years…I order the live feeds…I watch BBAD…and I’ve even created a full fledged 7 weeks reality game (but first, my name is Toni Chenson *wink*)
    Back to RHoNJ – Caroline can kiss my ass and if I EVER saw her on the street, I would spit on her. Seriously, the level of bullying is ridiculous but yet when Danielle replies (on the show or on the blog) in defense and throws a little dirt bag, SHE’S the horrible person? Again, it’s like everyone in Franklin Lakes is takign crazy pills!

  24. LynnNChicago says:

    Thank you ZapIt for posting this link.

    Did anyone else find this to be very odd? The writer was at this luncheon with press credentials yet didn’t want to interview Jill and wasn’t interested in a photo op…hasn’t read the book, so what was she doing there? Why did she even go? Why not pass on the event and let someone attend who might actually do what you’re supposed to do when you attend an event with press credentials?

    She sounds like a scared mouse hiding in the corner? The one and only thing we learned was that Kelly was supposed to be there but never showed up.


    • Hi Lynn,

      I’m the writer of Momma’s Gone City. I was invited to the luncheon as a part of the “media” to cover the event as a “MOMMY BLOGGER” (as much as I cringe at that label, it’s true). I wasn’t invited as a snoop, or to DISH on whatever gossip the hounds are out for. The PR agency contacted us and that is why I went. I’m not a super avid fan of the show though I do watch it, but I was there to get the word out about her book (which I received at the event). Pretty basic. Not great material for your rag, but for my own purposes and the purposes of the PR agency that need was filled.

      If by not bashing Jill or her book, or by not creating drama with Kelly or whoever else that somehow makes me a “scared mouse in the corner” so be it. Seriously. I could care less.

  25. ImToula says:

    BORINGGGGG!!!!!!!! Jersey wives. There is nothing going on there at all except the same old story about Danielle and the hinting of possible mob connections. Or was the connection confirmed last night?

    Jacqueline…………really are you that stupid????……Really????…you had no idea what was in the safe???

    Exactly why does your husband need to have all that heavy artillery? What is it again that he does for a living?????

    And you don’t know if the guns are loaded??? With a small child in the house?? REALLY????

    OH…..and that gun belt was so becoming! How do you come up with those ideas?? Is that what they are wearing in Jersey this season??
    I thought better of her last year but this year she has lost what little personality and backbone she had.

    Teresa is on the wrong show. She should be on “Jersey Shore”. She’s nothing more than a flake with a tan and big hair. Everything she does is over the top and downright tacky. Did you see that flower on the poor baby’s head? What was that? Where does she find things like that? I bet you it was custom made.

    Dina remains a spoiled little girl with those funky looking cats and little else going on. I would write more about her but what is there to say? Oh Yea…..she needs Zen Jen to plant ideas in her head because she can’t come up with any.

    Caroline, once again, with her family, “thick as thieves”, pulling strings and calling the shots. She needs to approve of everyone’s thoughts, ideas, and actions. How did she get to be boss of everyone?
    I want to know what is respectful about a strip joint/club. Someone plueease help me out here.

    I think Danielle and Kelly should have lunch. That would be very interesting. Bravo…..are you listening? Why don’t you hook up these two lunatic ho bags????
    I don’t think any of them ever had anything going on upstairs. They live in big houses with ugly furniture that was purchased with cash.
    Why do we want to watch this??

    • Fabulous Earth says:

      OMG! I thought that pink flower hat was too adorable on the lil’ peanut! I thought it was so cute!

  26. MickeyMouth says:

    I only made it to the diner scene and felt dirty. Using a child’s illness to put all these woman in the same room for conflict purposes made me feel ill.

  27. Fabulous Earth says:

    1. – I too, want to see the screenshot of the twitter debacle

    2. – Jersey gets the big *yawn* from me when I watch it lately. It seems Bravo is forcing a storyline and theme for this show. It’s so fabricated, I decided to just view ALL of these shows as scripted television series from now on. Some of my friends get all antsy while watching shows like 24 and they talk about it like it’s real. No difference in my book, so I’ll look at it all that way from now on.

    3.- I agree with the poster that said it would be nice to see Ramona at work and view some working housewives for a change. It seems these shows are pushing women that are striving to live the “socialite” lifestyle and its coming off as women DESPERATE TO BELONG to a certain group. These women with the exception of Sonja (check her resume) are NOT “socialites”. They may have become somewhat like the “type” but are not true socialites.

    4.- I like Bethenny because she seems the least pretentious out of all the HW series. I like others because you can get a sense of who they are within the boundaries of filming this show. Some seem to have great personalities, some not so much.

    5. – Jersey last night: Theresa was funny trying to stay pretty while giving birth. Joe is a rough teddy bear. Jacqueline…meh. Dina: I like her “journey to peace”. It is hard to center yourself when you’re committed to “bring the drama” or be involved with crap for work. Caroline: normal woman steering clear of drama but is contractually committed to discuss drama. Danielle: Bravo needs to just add some women on the show so she can be friends with. I have a feeling this would phase out the other women.

    • TLM says:

      I think you’re onto something. Dump the “Housewives” franchise, and let’s see a show about Bethenny running her business and a show about Ramona running her business, and whatever else goes on in their lives. I would much rather see them than watching that train wreck Kelly Cutrone, who despite working in fashion, dresses like a homeless person and can’t be bothered to see a hairdresser or dentist to get a set of veneers. Didn’t mean to veer off into Kelly Cutrone, but I never understood who thought it would be a good idea to give that woman a show. That wasn’t a show – it was a reign of terror.

      • Fabulous Earth says:

        I think the Housewives franchise could work as a “cast” or group of real persons working AND living a fabulous life. But I think that’s where the problem lies in this and other shows – pushing the idea of what constitutes a fabulous life. It’s not spending or getting the latest and most expensive products. And that’s what seems desperate about this show (and others). These ladies are trying to obtain a certain status by displaying what they have (which is an illusion in and of itself) and it seems gaudy and fake to me.

        I prefer an ensemble cast where I can see different folks doing different things.

  28. little rock says:

    obviously,i don’t live in NY so i didn’t see jill and kelly on lxtv,but from what it sounds like,kelly is blaming her breakdown behavior on being bullied by the other four women. alex,bethenny,sonja,and ramona have been very restrained when talking/blogging about how bad it was on that trip,letting us know it was much worse than what we saw. so why does kelly,with the help of jill,get to go on camera and distort history(lie). do kelly’s actions last night on lxtv rise to the level of slander? of course,she can plead insanity. i don’t know if it’s due to any contractual obligations with bravo or just plain human decency, but the four women have been very respectful of kelly’s condition by not going into too much detail about what went on,especially alex. but now, i would say : GAME ON! if kelly can try to ruin their reputations by saying they bullied an obviously sick person then i think the women should defend themselves by any means necessary. kelly should be hit with a cease and desist order at the very least and jill should just be shot. it’s too damn early in the morning to be this mad.

    • otaypanky says:

      I agree. At this point, if you respect your viewers, given the tweets and interviews since the filming, bravo has an obligation it’s viewers and the other innocent housewives to reveal what really happened. You may also be leaving “no way out” for someone who needs help and has obviously not sought it out. You Bravo, certainly have not seemed to get this mess help.

  29. Mel says:

    I think that Kelly has been watching too many cartoons. She seems to be channeling Sponge Bob, Strawberry Shortcake, Rainbow Bright, the Smurfs with maybe a little PeeWee Herman thrown in the mix! What is scary is that she doesn’t get that something is not quite right. That her breakdown was just that.

    Danielle gives off a “creepy” vibe. I wouldn’t trust her. Period. She is like the boyfriend that you are afraid to break up with because you know that it will intensify their obsession. She seems to latch on to anyone that will listen and then she weaves wild stories to reel them in. After meeting them one time she is convinced that they are best friends.

  30. anniieee says:


    Great blog again from the really old housewife. She has made creepy t-shirts with Kelly’s pic on them tooooo funny.

  31. vilzvet says:

    Ooh, I am dying to know what that tweet was all about. Ashley does come off as a twit and snot and she must be extremely jealous of Christine because of her early modeling success. Ashley had a crappy modeling shoot last year that showed her complete lack of talent in that area so that is where some of this nastiness must be coming from.

    • Fabulous Earth says:

      probably, I thought that last night too. It seems some of these women are trying to parlay a modeling/acting career out of this show for their kids. Remember Ramona and Avery? Clearly Avery ended up wanting no parts of that industry and Ramona has respected her for doing so. Avery doesn’t even seem like she wants to be on camera for the HW show, lol.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      IMHO what she tweeted probably isn’t as telling as her tweet/twitter/twat remark that Andy Cohen has no problem with what she wrote. I guess Andy is now enlisting 18 year olds to bring the drama.

  32. Hooked On Housewives says:

    I’ll preface this by saying that I do not watch RHWONJ. I have posted the following sentiment before on another of Lynn’s blogs. I could give a fat rats ass what Danielle did 25 years ago. If Danielle would learn to think before she spoke and learned to turn the nonsense down a bit, she would be way more interesting than the Manzo clan. I haven’t ever been a fan of four against one. Nor have I ever subscribed to the idea that one woman tells the group what they can and can’t do. Let’s bring out the scorecards. What were Caroline, Dina and Jacqui doing 25 years ago? Oh yeah. They were saints on earth. Sorry for the silly question.

    In addition, I caught a video of Dina planning her wedding. With a big grin on her face she says to the camera, “he cheated on me twice.” Well way to have something to brag about you dolt. Also on the same video Dina is shown standing beside a table talking to several women. Dina showing the women her bracelet says, “this cost half a million. This cow couldn’t even wait until after the wedding dance was over before she was bragging. This is one sorry group of women who seem to be living their post trailer trash days. If their families had wealth before they married you can’t tell it by the actions of these women. Sorry for the length of thos post. Some things just bug me.

  33. boston02127 says:

    re~~ Jill’s book event that Kelly was invited to and didn’t show. When was the event?
    Has anyone looked at Kelly’s tweets to see what she was tweeting at the time of Jill’s event? I’m wondering if Kelly is smart enough (ha ha ha) to get her lies straight when she tells Jill her excuse for not showing up.

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  35. TLM says:

    What is there to say about RHONJ? Boring show. Boring storylines. A combined IQ of 10 among the cast of 5, their husbands, friends and their adult children like Ashley, and the car wash/stripper dude whose name I don’t remember. And those IQ points aren’t spread around evenly. I’d say Teresa got about .0000001 of them, and she’s sharing that amount with hubby Joe.

    The show has achieved the unique position of being so boring as to be unwatchable, yet so volatile as to be dangerous to castmates in real life. For example, I would not be at all surprised to read a headline one of these days that a cast member was shot or stabbed to death. Is this really so farfetched, after we’ve seen a reality show contestant murder his wife, and a cooking show host hire a hit on his wife? Danielle was proudly met with 2 “friends” yesterday who are convicted felons who she was bragging would “protect” her, and Chris Laurita, who once gave the impression he was the gentle, touchy-feely one in the family, revealed a cache of firearms in a giant safe that would make most gang members salivate. I was very creeped out.

    Even though Jacqueline said she doesn’t like having guns in the house, she said it with the same affect as someone saying they would like to change the wall color in their bathroom from blue to beige. I think Dina should ditch the Zen lady and get a prescription for the horse-pill sized Prozacs Jac must be taking. It would save her a lot of time and money.

    My predictions for the show is that it will fail, but that’s the happy part. My predictions for the people in real life are not good ones. Jacqueline’s daughter will get pregnant out of wedlock soon, and neither get married nor ever make it to school. Her son CJ will get into the gun safe with disastrous consequences. Danielle will keep pushing buttons and people and getting involved her ex-con buddies, and someone will end up in jail or dead. The car wash/strip club son (oops, sorry — GENTLEMEN’S club, because THAT makes it claaaaasssy) will get into a dispute with a business partner and end up getting shot and possibly killed. I hope I’m wrong.

    Apparently Dina and Jacqueline both had breast reductions this season. Are they saving that as the exciting part of the season? I won’t be watching. I actually only wound up watching NJ last night by accident, because I was on the computer and simply too lazy to change the channel!!!

    Right now, as I write this, Danielle is on the Today Show plugging her own new memoir and showing off her hideous, obvious hair extensions and ever-present frosted eyeshow . She said that Teresa “needs some vocabulary” and in the same breath, says that writing her book was “very therapeutical.” Then, TWICE she said she plead guilty to the “lee-sur” of the charges against her, until poor Natalie Morales corrected her: “lesser.” And I thought I heard it all when Teresa said “cleansiness.” Dumber than a box of rocks, all of them. Goodbye, NJ.

  36. clydethetervuren says:

    I’m not a regular poster, only because everyone else here seems to acurately capture my feelings on this show and the women. There is one thing that I have been thinking about that I don’t think has been mentioned as a possibility. I’m thinking that if I were Giles Bensimon, I would try to fly as far under the radar as possible, especially if I were planning to petition the court for full custody of the children. He, of all people, is probably well aware of Kelly’s erratic and potentially dangerous behaviors and wouldn’t want to poke the bear until all his ducks were in a row. I find myself wondering if the whole nanny situation is a result of Giles actually advocating for his children. As in supervised visitation. Who really knows what Kelly is capable of. Of all of us, I think ole Giles has the best idea what can happen if Kelly feels cornered or attacked.

    • vilzvet says:

      I honestly don’t know how Gilles lasted 10 years with that woman. He has aimed very low with his past relationships. Can you imagine having dinner talk with Kelly for any length of time…

      • Hooked On Housewives says:

        Because like, Gilles my ex-husband is like an amazing, amazing, amazing man. Honestly! really! I thought you knew that. When we were alone he would walk on water. But come to think of it this amazing amazing man only walked on water after I had my little purple pills.

  37. LynnNChicago says:

    A few of Jen’s Tweets –
    May give you a little clue why I felt the need to help her out…

    JenGilbertNYC ya’ll are a rough group huh. 🙂 ok, I’ll try not to cry .

    JenGilbertNYC I following you now too. I think I get a bit snarky in the last 3 episodes

    • Fabulous Earth says:


    • TLM says:

      Well, we’re down to 2 episodes, so that’s one down. I guess Jen was snarky in her pantry while the others were on vacation, or eating in that weird empty Japanese restaurant.

      I find it hard to believe she could be the owner of a premier events planning company and not be familiar with Twitter. Even tiny pizza places are on it. And why is it Alex McCord or anyone else’s responsbility to teach her how to use it? Surely she has an assistant or secretary that can do that, or if need be, post for her.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      Truth be told Jennifer Gilber failed to impress me when she let wig wearing, shit talking, backstabbing, faux friend, blowjob giving Jillousy talk all over her when they sat down to plan the Zarout Holiday Party. I was sitting there thinking, way to go dishrag. I’m not a fan. First impressions, yada, yada yada.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Hooked, I wondered why Bravo chose that scene to introduce Jennifer, it does seem odd…almost like they don’t want us to like her. (you are hysterical!!!)

        I read somewhere that the Virgin Island trip was supposed to take a lot less air time than it did, and Jen thought she was going to be in the last three episodes but may only be in the last 2. There are only 2 left…

      • Zarout! says:

        Thanks for the shout out Hooked 😉

  38. 2Stupid says:

    Countless on Larry King was ridiculous. She all but accused Prince Andrew of being in on the scam with Fergie. The tabloid reporter basically told her they had no proof of that and they were not inferring that in any way, but she wouldn’t let it go. Then she said she had not spoken with Fergie, but would be reaching out to her. She is as delusional as KKB.

    I posted on other blog, but wanted to share here. I was astounded at the gall of the Countless last night taken on the British monarchy. I mean she should lose her title for making allegation (unfounded) against the Prince. Ugggh!

    • Fabulous Earth says:

      Wasn’t the “Count” married several times before Luann? What number wife is she? Where are the others?

    • desertgal66 says:

      I’ve been a research assistant for numerous royal biographies over the last 25 years, so I’m pretty familiar with the ins and outs of various aristocracies, especially Great Britain’s. There is no way that Prince Andrew was in on that scam. No chance whatsoever. Countless knows zilch about the British monarchy.

      As for her own title…”Count DeLesseps” is not a registered title in France or anywhere else. It was a registered title when it was conferred on his ancestor, but the registration expired over a century ago and was never renewed. It’s a courtesy title-he isn’t recognized as a member of the French peerage. It means about as much as “Mr.” Big whoop.

      And the current Countless is the fourth Countess of this particular DeLesseps. She’s just part of a crowd.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      You say this like it’s a bad thing…LOL

      “I mean she should lose her title for making allegation (unfounded) against the Prince. Ugggh!”

  39. Hooked On Housewives says:

    I love you Lynn but I probably don’t have much to contribute to a blog dedicated exclusively to the RHWONJ. I’ll be back and forth but my heart is with the I Hate Jill Zarin blogs because that’s what it is all about for me. Or, maybe I can find some tie-ins to IHJZ. LOL.

    On WWHL Bethenny said she could see Caroline babysitting for Bryn (well the baby wasn’t born then so we didn’t know she was Bryn). Since Caroline and Jill were/are “as tick as tieves,” can you just see Caroline calling jill telling her that she is babysitting Bethennys baby. How fast do you think fat f*ck Jill would be at Caroline’s door. Can you further see Jill checking Bryn out. Does she have a vagina? Does she have all her fingers and toes? Is she ugly like her mother? If I pinch her will she turn pink. Does she look an ungrateful brat? What will big fan of Jill Caroline say to this? Oh Jill, you’re so crazy but that would go great in your next book.

    Beth, if you can’t find anyone other than Caroline Manzo to babysit. Hit me up. I’ll drive up to the Big Apple and babysit myself. End of tie-in.

    • TLM says:

      I remember seeing that episode, and I was shocked that Bethenny would say that she likes Caroline and would be fine with having her babysit. I was wondering if she said that because Caroline is the scariest one, and she figured she would throw her a compliment to at least be on her good side, i.e., PR 102. LOL!!!

      PS — Loved the “tick as tieves” spelling!! Perfect…

  40. Kat says:

    @Boston The blog was dated 5/24 and references, “This event, called the Divalysscious Mom’s Mother’s Day Luncheon was put on in support of Jill’s new book, Secrets of a Jewish Mother: Real Advice, Real Stories, Real Love”
    The link to the post is in one of Lynn’s posts at about 8AM.

  41. Shannon says:

    Lynn, I’m so happy to hear you love Big Brother. I will definitely be reading your blogs about it. I love the show, and always get the live feeds. I tried watching NJ but I just don’t like it. When you have one family against one person, even though she acts nuts, I just can’t get into it. I can’t wait to watch Bethenny’s new show, and of course, read your blogs.

  42. Fabulous Earth says:

    I think these Housewives show would benefit by NOT sticking so much with the same cast members but rather showing different women each season (or every two seasons). They should link 1 or 2 members from the prior season which could offer a link to prior seasons/shows. That would provide some continuity, offer a chance to get to know more of the former cast members as well as showcase women with whom the audience have a greater chance of connecting with.

    With the current format, they are forcing storylines that perpetuate negative stereotypes that tend to harm the franchise (which, imo, could really turn out to be useful, entertaining and a great medium for all women abroad).

  43. boston02127 says:

    pic from Ramona:

    Nice belt Kelly. (eye roll)

    • chismosa says:

      you can see the STERNUM bone sticking out. so gross.
      i can’t believe she thought to cover up Alex’s ENTIRE FACE while photographing her. Well, ‘attempting’ to photograph i should say.

      Sonja looks beautiful here.

  44. hatefake says:

    I agree with you Lynn about how boring this show is. You were nice and said it’s because it started off “slow”, but we know the real deal. LOL

    Don’t know what Ashley said about Christine, but no doubt it’s just jealousy. Even though Danielle is a weirdo she has managed to create some very beautiful model worthy daughters. Funny thing is, I think Ashley’s pretty too, but her attitude sucks. I feel that comes from Jacqueline’s poor parenting skills.

    Jacqueline is AFRAID of Dina and Caroline, moreso Caroline than anyone else. She talks about Danielle in her blog, because she can’t face the fact that things aren’t going smoothly in her own backyard with her daughter. This is the relationship she needs to work on. When viewing the marathon from last season it was so obvious that Jacqueline does not like her kid. Yes, she LOVES her, but doesn’t LIKE her.

    I really would like to hear Ashley’s account of what went wrong there. I’m one of those people that will always ask the TEENAGER what the problem is, because parents whitewash everything. I was called a”problem” teenager as a child, because no one LISTENED TO ME. They never explained anything to me and interpreted MY LIFE through THEIR eyes. Maybe if the adults had paid attention to what I was trying to say, instead of what THEY wanted me to do many things I got into could have been avoided.

    All I know is that Jacqueline seems to be a dead fish when it comes her daughter. Hopefully, she’ll be a better mom to her cutie son.

    I hope they don’t bring this show back. Actually, I don’t care since I haven’t watched an episode since its been on. I just check to see what Lynn has to say and go by that.

    Love you Lynn!!!

    • sbh says:

      I think you hit the nail on the head. I always believed something wasn’t right between Ashley and Jac. It is like Ashley resents the HELL out of her mother, and doesn’t respect her at all (and I don’t mean that she is disrespectful, I mean she thinks her mother is distasteful). Wasn’t Jac young or something when she had Ashley–or working as a dancer? My facts are confused, but Ashley did not grow up in the lap of luxery like her siblings are getting to do. Since the first or second episode of the series, at Jac’s little boy’s birthday party, where Danielle was all like, “I love Jac” blah blah, I felt that there was some extreme problems between mother and daughter (and the way Danielle got in the middle was weird). Jac was wearing a white lacy dress and I think she said that she never got to do this big party shibang with Ashley and how lucky she is now to be doing it for her new kid–like she gave up on mothering Ash and is starting over her life with hubby Chris and boys (but oh yeah, there is that other person who lives upstairs and gives me problems). And Ashley’s bad schoolwork? Where was Jac then, making sure her homework was done on time, and not have to play catch-up bully later on in summer school. I remember her saying in the interview that Ashley’s scholastic failures made her look like a bad mother, well yeah, it does. I think Ashley feels unloved and jealous of her siblings. Have you noticed that while little bro hugged Ashley and there seems to be some connection there, I have not seen Ashley even look at baby Nicholos, she comes, she goes, but not a word to or about the baby, no kiss for him. I was very surprised. I bet she always feels like an intruder and to get attention and make her presence known, she causes uproar.

  45. boston02127 says:

    @Kat~ was the event also on the 24th? I’ll read Jill’s tweets and see what she was doing on that date.

  46. Kat says:

    Something looks really wrong with Kellamity’s torso.

  47. Kat says:

    @Boston, I don’t know the date… but maybe Mothers Day?

  48. Kelly-Has- Big-Shoulders says:

    @ Fabulous Earth you make alot of sense. I think that way some shows won’t go stale and boring if they had different people each season.

    • Fabulous Earth says:

      Yeah right? Don’t you think the show has the possibility to be entertaining as well as give US something we can use to enhance our own lives (besides all the products and businesses to support)? Am I being overly optimistic and asking too much?

  49. boston02127 says:

    @ Kat ~ these are Jill & Kelly’s tweets.

    • Fabulous Earth says:

      This doesn’t look like her. Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, but not now.

    • AnnoyingJill says:

      Thanks for posting this. Jill went with black and white because it will make anyone look younger and hide the flaws. She’s still ugly. What is most surprising is that she still has so many fans who are feeding her ego by telling her how beautiful she is! Ugh!

  50. Olivia says:

    I was absolutely appalled at what was going on with Danielle and her “bodyguards”. These are convicted felons for God’s sake and she is inviting them into her home and life with 2 young, impressionable daughters? Where in the world is her ex husband in all this?

    This woman is criminal. Her behavior is criminal. It doesn’t matter to me that this is just a tv show that is searching for drama to hold the attention of the audience, she is putting those two kids at serious risk. Anyone who seriously feels any sort of sympathy for Danielle needs to take another look at her behavior. There is no reason under the sun why those kids are being used on this show other than to gain her some “sympathy points” in order for her to maintain her standing on that awful, boring, unintelligent, series they call The New Housewives of NJ. This woman has no redeemable qualities and her children are nothing but handy props in order to infuse some sense of humanity into this empty, psychotic woman.

    And is the Manzo family is not “connected” I will personally kiss Jill Zarin’s feet! A safe full of guns with a household of children? Come on!

    Not sure what happened with the Ashley twitters but she has been convicted for assaulting Danielle last year and this series only highlights the awful behavior of this family so apparently whatever happened as a result has just brought out more of her immoral behavior. This series needs to have the plug pulled as soon as possible as there is nothing involving this entire group that is worthy of attention.

    Strip clubs and car washes? Tea leave reading? Mutual threats? Hair pulling? Felons? Chuckies? Excessive spending? Questionable ties to unsavory characters? Bubbies? Does it get any lower than this storyline? This is not entertainment but a series built around unacceptable people grabbing for celebrity.


    • hatefake says:

      The reason why some folks might be feeling sorry for Danielle is not because they actually like her, but the gang up mentality of the other women. Maybe if she has a couple friends of her own she can talk to it might change the balance of the show. I don’t like any of these women, except Dina. They can bring her back. Caroline and Soprano personality gets on my nerves.

      They’re lives are BORING without Danielle. If she leaves the show, then what is there to watch? Does anyone really care about Theresa, Caroline and Jackie? Jackie is a punk. Lost all respect for her after her “cave-in” at the reunion. Woman looked too frighten to say anything in Danielle’s favor. I don’t mind if she really feels that way on her own, but I believe she was “influenced”. She’s a follower. No leadership skills whatsoever and I think even her daughter sees it which is why they don’t get along.

    • sbh says:

      Well said.

  51. Kat says:

    @Boston From JZ’s tweets: Being honored at divalicious lunch at 21 club with moms and daughters for mothers day ! http://tweetphoto.com/21637176
    5:06 PM May 8th via Twittelator

  52. Kat says:

    @Boston, from looking at JZ’s twitters it appears they did not tweet to each other publicly on the 9th.
    Can’t believe I just did that…

  53. Fabulous Earth says:

    Anyone have the pic of Gloria before all of her surgery? I’ve seen it on another site but can’t remember which one.

  54. Buffalo says:

    Hi Lynn,

    Just wanted to let you know I would love if you blogged for Big Brother!!! I am a huge fan of the show and you. I think you are a good judge of character and I almost always agree with you. Cant wait for Big Brother and thursday, RHNJ doesnt even compare to RHNY

  55. desertgal66 says:

    Caroline Manzo notes in her most recent blog:

    “Al and I have always told our kids to follow their dream, whatever it might be. Two rules that can never be broken – don’t ever do anything illegal, and don’t ever do anything with intent to hurt someone. Beyond that, it’s their life, their choices, we can only sit back, watch, and hope for the best.”

    So, her son owning a strip club…oh, sorry, “gentlemen’s” club…is okay with her? I guess I just don’t get how exploiting women for any reason is a dream to be encouraged in our children. If my son suggested that he was going to do that, I would so not be okay with it.

    Not to mention that Caroline scoffed at Danielle during the last reunion show when Danielle said she had been a go-go/burlesque dancer. Is Caroline now going to scoff at her son’s employees – or will they be acceptable because they work for her son?


    • Fabulous Earth says:

      I can empathize with Caroline on this one. I felt that what she was really saying is that you cannot live your child’s life, i.e. choose their careers and way of life. You can only hope that they choose NOT to involve themselves in illegal activity or aim to harm others. It’s not your life to live – it’s their choice.

      As parents we tend to wait and watch in angst as our children make and define their way of life and careers.

      On a personal note, I’ve always told my son that he could be anything he wanted other than a police officer or joining the military and I would support him. He went from wanting to be a filmmaker, math teacher and animation artist. What does he do? He joins the Army! Ugh!

      Whateva. He’s been happy doing what he does and I supported his decision from day one. Was it something I would choose for him to do? No. Did I cringe when he told me? Yes. Did I try to talk him out of it? Absolutely not. Why? Because it was the ONLY thing he ACTUALLY pursued, which let me know that out of everything he spoke about doing with his life, this is the one thing that actually interest him.

      Kids, go figure.

      • desertgal66 says:

        I absolutely agree with you.

        Caroline supporting her son is not what bothers me, but perhaps I wasn’t clear on that.

        What bothers me-and I could be reading her wrong-is her public attitude seems to be that the strip club idea is a giggle. You know, a “oh, boys will be boys” attitude. She appears to be tittering at the reality that her son’s club would revolve around exploiting women.

        • Fabulous Earth says:

          I think she’s grasping at something that makes “her” feel comfortable with the idea. I must agree that there is a difference between a gentleman’s club and a strip joint, so I think that’s what she was trying to say (which she mentions to keep it classy).

          As far as exploiting women – everyone has a different take on just what that is. My take on exploiting women is far from any type of strip joint in America (maybe because I’m doing research on human and sex-trafficking throughout the world but whateva).

          I live in NYC and know some of the elements of the “stripper” industry and I just don’t feel that, especially in this day and age, that these women are “exploited”. They see an opportunity to use their “assets” to get to where they wanna go or to simply make money and support themselves. I just don’t get that their “‘exploited”.

          • desertgal66 says:

            With some women, it’s a choice-and, no, I don’t consider it exploitation when a woman makes the choice of her own free will.

            But, it does, at least in my opinion, qualify as exploitation when the woman makes the choice under coersion and/or out of desperation. And that does happen, even in some of the “gentlemen’s” clubs.

            But, you’re right-Caroline is probably grasping at straws to make herself more comfortable with the idea. Which, admittedly, we all do at times. I just found it unsettling and hypocritical, after she scoffed at Danielle last year.

  56. boston02127 says:

    from Kelly’s face book page: We donated over 800. to Feeding America from the Ebay sales. keep buying! Let’s feed the children one ring at a time.

    Does anyone know if this is true? Is she affiliated with Feeding America? Is she just trying to boost her sales?

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Thats the problem with these Ebay sales, there isnt any way to verify if what they are saying is true.
      Ebay does have a program where you can set it up to give a percentage of your profits from the sale directly to charity..Ebay takes it directly out and the buyer knows the money is being donated.
      However, anyone can sell anything on Ebay and add to their listing that they are donating some or all of the proceeds to charity but who knows if that really happens? Ebay can’t “police” every listing so it happens.

      The Karishians have an Ebay site and clearly give 10% to charity because it goes right through Ebay.

      One of the reasons that Kim Zolciak blocked me on Twitter was because her new Ebay account listings claimed to be giving 10% to charity and the cheapest designer gown was $1,200.00. I tweeted her that she was pricing everything too high, should use Ebay’s charity posting so fans could be sure funds did go to charity. Finally, I told her how amateurish her listings looked. (they didn’t include clohing sizes or fabric, dry clean, etc.) Anyway the chain smoking bitch blocked me for criticizing her Ebay listings.

      Wow talk about “Off topic” sorry everyone! lol

  57. shantygal says:

    First of all, Lynn, I love you and your blog. I completely understand and support your decision not to write about the Joisey girls. I haven’t watched this season, tried to, but, zzzzzzz. Between the collective intelligence level of the cast and the inappropriate adult conversations and situations the children are subjected to, the show is just plain stoooopid. I’ll watch anything trashy, but NJ can’t even be classified as that. It’s absolutely pointless.

    Secondly, YES on BB. At least we know what happens on that show is completely real and not staged by producers. There’s a ton of boring footage if you’re watching the live feeds, but at least you’ll know the back story of what actually is edited together for the broadcasts.

    Whatever you end up blogging Lynn, I’ll read. You have an engaging style that makes the reader feel welcome from the get go. AND some of the funniest comments ever.

  58. RileyKitty says:

    I was so hoping you would continue to blog after RHoNY is over because I have given up TWoP altogether (eff you, Strega!!!) This blog has become my new crack LOL. But I don’t watch BB, I may have to start to keep up with all you fine people.

    I have NJ on the TiVo & frankly could care less if I ever watch it.

    In all seriousness I hate Jill & signed the petition to have her removed but if anyone really needs to go it is Kelly. Bottom line is she is dangerous. If she needed to be removed from the trip it had to have gotten out of control. I believe Bethenny’s account of events, mostly because I haven’t seen any evidence she has ever lied about anything. Kelly’s acount is spin, pure & simple. Plus I hate people who blame their actions on others.

    Also I am still waiting for Jill’s redemption that she spoke of on WWHL with the cryptkeeper.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Thank you!!! Don’t forget Bethenny’s new show! I will be blogging about that! First episode is on right after the reunion for RHONY. 🙂

    • chismosa says:

      why isn’t everyone focusing on this new fact that Kelly was ASKED TO LEAVE the vacation? That is crazy news if you ask me. Lynn, this is a huge development. This truly proves that what the other wives said, (and Alex said at her book signing in front of me the other day) is true- the show only showed minimal amounts of what truly went down there.

      I have a sinking feeling this reunion is going to be terrible. I really hope Jill gets it IN HER FACE. Andy is such a pu$$y. Sorry to be crass, but he IS.

  59. Fabulous Earth says:

    Lynn – I don’t think I ever complimented you on such a great blog! Thank you so much for your recaps and links. This blog was useful and led to my obsessive-like indulgence with the show and characters. Thanks again and look forward to checking back here on Friday (I’ll be in Spain so this will provide me with a peep into the “crazy” until I can view the show online, lol). Smooches to all!!!!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Thanks Fab! If there are any gaps in the show that you aren’t sure of, feel free to email me w/questions while you’re in Spain. Have a wonderful, safe trip! I’m so jealous! 🙂

  60. A former Jill fan says:

    boston, thanks for posting the jill twitter link!

    I’m sure jill said this just to try to seem sympathetic towards kelly:

    This is the most painful episode to watch. Are you ok @kikilet ? 7:24 PM May 20th via web

  61. A former Jill fan says:

    And jill sure didn’t think it was appropriate for Ramona to wear a bikini at the start of this season:

    Have to say Ramona did look great in a bikini. 7:25 PM May 20th via web

    Jill’s trying to appear sympathetic and nice! It won’t work!

    • vilzvet says:

      Jill did not want to put on a bikini or any bathing suit for that matter, she is way too jealous of Ramona. I believe she mentioned to LuAnn she is just going to stop by the VIs for one night on her way to her own vacation….Let us see her wardrobe for her one-day stay.

  62. TLM says:

    I stumbled upon this last night, and was laughing so hard I couldn’t breathe:


    It says it’s about NJ, but it’s really about all the NY women.

  63. Dani says:

    HWONJ is like watching trailer trash living in nice homes. I had to switch the channel. I could not take the thug hug between Danielle and Danny.

    Lynn, I would love to see you write about Bethenny Getting Married and Flipping Out.

    • chismosa says:

      Lynn i LOVE Flipping Out, i too vote for that one. From those crazy previews they showed for the summer on Bravo it looks like even Jackie from Working Out is coming back? Stupid Patti Stanger is NOT worthy of a blog. YUCK.

      I hope they do NOT have Jeff’s former business partner- Ryan i think was his name? – this season. A$$hole

  64. Olivia says:

    I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but Bravo is playing us for absolute fools.

    There is no storyline with the NJ series unless someone as “media crazy” as Danielle is willing to sacrifice her integrity and dignity to be filmed for a period of 15 weeks and allows herself to be seen as the “punching bag” in order to gain airtime.

    There is no storyline unless she agrees to exploit her children to their detriment by willingly agreeing to be cast as a conniving, needy, clinging, calculating, stalking, back stabbing moron with questionable friends and associates.

    There is no storyline unless she walked into the situation knowing full well that her seedy past would more than likely surface and cause her young daughters the humiliation of everyone knowing who she is.

    There is no storyline unless Danielle Staub has wittingly and knowingly placed herself in a position of ridicule, hate, and exposure in order to punctuate her climb aboard the “fame” express as she wallows in her own sordid life.

    Table turning, hair pulling, dire threats, obscene language, convicted felons, past incarcerations, and the inclusion of a “family” with questionable credentials is while “creating” a narrative build around a woman without a soul is not “reality”.

    This series is a travesty for all concerned.

  65. Pantry Viewer says:

    Oh, lawdy, thanks for not blogging NJ. They are a snoozefest with pathology thrown in. I am assuming the Brownstone event will be the finale where the fight happens. And for them to orchestrate that trailer trash drama where a baby with cancer is concerned is sickening.

  66. DarkSonnet says:

    Jill indicates that her amazing new Facebook picture hasn’t been “photoshopped yet”, the photg just used good lighting, etc. Yes, that and a jar of vaseline on his lens.

    I’m joining the chorus of several people who posted yesterday. Do these women think we are all complete idiots?

  67. CarrieCinKY says:

    I read Ashley’s twitter, and I know the comment you’re referring to… it did get ugly. To be honest, I read ALOT of Ashley’s tweets on her twitter acct. and I found more than one tweet that was totally out of line. I wonder what forms of punishment Jac used with Ashley growing up, clearly none of them worked, watching her behavior. I was reading an interview Jacqueline did for Zap2it The Dish Rag (link below)


    and something she said rubbed me the wrong way. She discussed forms of punishment she had handed down to Ashley, admitting she had never spanked her, stating, “… it is illegal nowadays. So you don’t want to go there, because you can get into trouble for that.”
    Spanking your children isn’t illegal. Leaving a mark/bruises is illegal, and you should get into trouble if you take it too far and hurt your child.
    However, I am a single mother of 3 children. I have a firm rule in my home. 3 strikes, you’re out. If I have to ask you more than 3 times to do something, you will be in trouble. Sometimes, that means a spanking.
    IMHO I think if Jac HAD spanked Ashley a few times, she wouldn’t have such a bad attitude! Just my opinion, coming from a mom where spanking has helped my children grow into smart, SAFE, well-mannered young adults.
    It’s ridiculous to me, seeing a pregnant teenager, and parents wondering “how could this have happened?” or being lied to constantly, having their kids sneak around behind their back, drinking, using drugs… maybe if you had set boundaries when they were little, you wouldn’t have that problem.
    I don’t feel sorry for Jac in this situation. The main reason why: the only thing Ashley had to do to get a brand new car was good grades. Are you kidding me? What about holding down a job, or doing community service? How do you expect your child to know what to do as an adult when you hand them everything as a kid?
    Jac also said in that interview that they “took her tv away”… wow, what a punishment… at this point, I think the only way to fix the real problems with Ashley is counseling. I don’t know why, but this situation with Ashley just rubbed me the wrong way… anyway…
    I try to comment on the blogs on bravo as well, and you are totally right in saying they pick and choose which one’s to post. It’s not fair to the people who visit the site, they need to get it together over there! If I didn’t love the show so much, I’d probably just give up commenting all together! Are you listening, Bravo?
    Teresa made me laugh… she was a hot mess! I can’t believe she was worried about her makeup at a time like that… my goodness.
    I respect and admire Caroline… but she’s so harsh to Danielle, there is something else there that we don’t know about. The whole scene with Caroline, Dina, & Jacqueline was silly and boring. Didn’t we go through all of this last year? New storyline, Please!!! This is getting so old!
    I’m anxious to see what happens next week at the benefit. I have a feeling it’s going to get out of control, which is very childish considering WHY they’re all there in the first place… and innocent baby fighting for it’s life…
    You’re right, Lynn. The kids have come into their mud slinging, which is very unfortunate. It makes me sick to my stomach, they’re grown adults! It is not a good example for the children, and it’s selfish. I guess they ran out of insults so they had to go there… ::shakes head:: I hope they let all of this drama go soon, is anyone else tired of it?
    I hope next season they bring in a new housewife that’s nice to Danielle. Lord knows the fans would like to see something new being talked about…
    Great blog, Lynn! xxo

  68. DarkSonnet says:

    I noticed that Kelly has her “smart” glasses on as she heads out for the reunion taping.

    I wonder if they will work better for her here than they did on the island.

  69. Squirrels says:

    Ok, just watched Larry King. The Countless kept trying to interrupt, then constantly attempted to talk over Robert Jobson, the Royal Editor-News of the World; to the point Larry had to interject saying, “One at a time”. (Classy, eh?) She goes on to suggest Prince Andrew HAD to be involved because Fergie said so on the tape. It was amusing however, the same editor said he couldn’t believe people would defend her reprehensible behavior. (hint, that was aimed at LooLoo).

    Oh, and BTW, on the last thread I bet $2 she would plug both her book and song. I WIN!!!! Pay up Countless : )

    • desertgal66 says:

      Fergie was trying to bilk the guy out of $500 grand…she’d have also said Princess Di was directing her from beyond the grave if she had thought she could pull it off…

      Why do these women feel the need to prove they are idiots over and over? We got it the first time.

      • Squirrels says:

        Actually $500K in British pounds, which equals about $720K US.
        Still, not chump change for sure.

  70. TLM says:

    Let me start by saying I loathe myself for bringing this up. But since we are winding up with NJ, it seems a good time to wrap up some lingering issues. If someone has already pointed it out, I apologize, but I just haven’t seen or heard it so far. I have been bothered by the hypocrisy of the Manzos going after Danielle via “the book” when you consider their own family history. I’m sure many of you have heard the story, but in case you haven’t, an excerpt is below.
    From the NY Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/04/27/2009-04-27_family_has_ties_to_rubbed_out_tiny_manzo.html:

    “[Caroline and Dina’s] father-in-law, Albert (Tiny) Manzo, was executed mob-style in August 1983, after he and Gambino family soldier Peter A. Campisi were suspected of skimming from a mob casino on Staten Island. “A couple of weeks later, they found Tiny Manzo in the trunk of his car,” recalled Robert Buccino, a New Jersey organized crime expert. The 350-pound mobster took four slugs to his torso. His naked body – the arms and legs bound in plastic – was discovered in the trunk of his parked Lincoln-Continental outside a supermarket in Hillside, N.J. The killing was never solved. Campisi, a made man and Tiny’s partner in the casino, suffered a similar fate, Buccino recalled.”
    Albert Manzo was killed in 1983. Danielle was arrested in 1986. To be sure, it sounds like neither one of them was up to any good during this period. But why do the Manzo sisters feel they can sit and cry, even be indignant when others suggest ties to organized crime (which happened on their reunion show), yet go after Danielle relentlessly about what happened during the same time period? Talk about glass houses. Caroline says, “there’s a 75-year old woman who has to relive this over and over” whenever the story is brought up, yet she’s ok with Danielle’s young girls hearing again and again about their mother’s history? I just found it incredible that they sat there railing against Danielle, and Caroline said she
    “would do it again if she had to,” yet they cried when the murder was brought up, like how dare anyone say anything about it. And here’s the best part: Danielle has never once mentioned the Manzos and the mob issue. Not once that I am aware of, either on the show or off. If I am wrong, someone please correct me. It would be easy for Danielle to just mention press coverage about the murder after the attacks she has taken with “the book”, but as far as I am aware, she never has. Personally, I would be much more afraid of being around someone with alleged mob ties than alleged ties to being a stripper, prostitute, or having made a phone call to do with kidnapping. But let’s face it, all of it is very frightening. So I think it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    The other aspect is that the Manzos have done nothing to dispel the mob mystique they claim to be so insulted by. I think they thrive on their being a real-life version of The Sopranos and people fearing them and their perceived power, whether it is real or not. The music to their show is Godfather-esque, which I’ve never heard any of them balk about. And what was the deal with the “undisclosed location” of their reunion show, since by the time show aired, they would be long gone from there?? No other reunion show was introduced with “we are in a secret location ,” so why was this one, unless it was at the request of the women? If they didn’t want to give the location, why not just say, “Welcome to the reunion of the NJ Housewives” and start the introductions?? Who the hell cares whether they were sitting in a tent behind a White Castle off Exit 20 of the NJ Turnpike, or in the White House?? I thought it was obnoxious, and done purely to keep the mob mystique things going, even as they were denying it. Whether they are poseurs wanting to seem powerful, or truly are tied to crime, it’s nothing I want to watch or that Bravo should want to air.

    I am not defending Danielle per se. I cannot stand any of the adults on this show. But I just thought it was this obvious thing that seems to have been overlooked. I can only hope and pray this will be the last season of NJ.

    • desertgal66 says:

      TLM, I’m glad you brought this up, because I’ve often thought the same thing. Danielle has made some low blows, but she’s never thrown the Manzo family past in their faces. Not once. Yet, they didn’t hesitate to drag her past into the spotlight. To be honest, “the book” didn’t have to be brought up on the show. They all could’ve shown some dignity and said, “Hey, it was 25 years ago, so we’re not going to discuss water under the bridge.”

      The hypocrisy also bothers me. Caroline made a point of saying that the Manzo family has no ties to organized crime at the reunion show, and how hurtful the very suggestion is to the family, but this year, we get Caroline saying, “She will never win against us” (about Danielle). Well, damn. If you don’t want Mafia rumors swirling around your family, then don’t act like the capo di capi, and quit with the subtle Mafia references.

      I think Bravo has milked the Housewives franchise to death. The Jersey, Atlanta, and Orange shows are boring, and the NY one went way too far this season. Kelly Bensimon clearly isn’t rowing with all her oars in the water, and exploiting her for ratings is pretty sad. All the HW shows have degenerated into nothing but brawl, feud, fight, squabble, bicker, which gets old pretty quick.

      Pull the plug, Bravo. Stick with B’s new show-that will, at least, be interesting-and cut the rest loose. Make Slade Smiley find a real job.

      • TLM says:

        You can add to “She will never win against us,” the “We are thick as theives and we protect each other to the end.” Or how about her lovely intro to each show, “If you’re messing with my family, you’re messing with ME.” Ugh.

    • Olivia says:

      Dainelle cannot speak openly about the mob connections because she too is in it up to her raised eyebrows. Take a look at the at mook Danny she introduced as her “bodyguard”. He is “connected”. These aren’t people you just run into at weekly Mass. There is a connection and she is careful in not bringing it up.

      • desertgal66 says:

        To protect her own connections, Danielle can’t speak openly about a Mafia related murder that happened in 1983…yet she can introduce a friend who is obviously “connected” on a nationally televised reality show?

        • Morgaine Swann says:

          Don’t expect Danielle to make sense. She’s a borderline personality. She’s not capable of making sound decisions. Her first instinct is always the wrong one.

    • Hatefake says:

      I’m with you on the entire Manzo clan. Bunch of freakin’ hypocrites. Danielle may be daft, but at least she tries to stay on point with whatever’s bothering her, whereas the others want to bring up her past like they’re all so “innocent”.

      Theresa can never tell you what her doofus husband does and she also has a problem with single women that have sex with men other than their HUSBANDS. Stupid orangutan lookin’ bitch needs to get a clue and make some friends outside of her insulated ignorant circle. I would hate to be so closeminded and have the entire world know it.

    • chismosa says:

      I agree with you and GREAT point. Caroline & her thug family – do you notice the ‘shot’ of them before they come on screen- they all have their arms crossed and mean faces- like ‘i’m going to put a bullet in your face if you look at me the wrong way’ – so Soprano-wannabe, whether intentional or not.

      I hate Caroline and her holier-than-though attitude. I hope Bethenny amends who she would like to babysit her child. ha ha

  71. Nancyusa says:

    Jill from last year about Kelly

    “I don’t think it’s working for her,” Zarin told us earlier today from her New York apartment. “I don’t think she should be on the show. It’s not that I think we should throw anybody off, it’s just that I think if I were her, I would not do the show again. I would go back to anonymity and spend the next year trying to repair my reputation. What’s more important to her: her reputation or fame?”

    and this is Jill referring to the reunion show from last year.

    “There were a lot of liars at the table,” Zarin said. “Ramona—liar! Kelly—liar! LuAnn—baby liar.”

    Read more: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/marc_malkin/b120847_jill_of_nyc_housewives_kelly_needs_go.html#ixzz0oxcLbYag

  72. Lila says:

    I got caught up in the twitter fight over Ashley’s tweets and blocked by people I thought were friends because I wouldn’t bash you and another woman. The intensity on twitter over these real housewives really baffles me. Sure it’s fun to discuss them, debate what’s going on with them, and to poke fun at them. But to fight over them? That I don’t get at all. Like any of those real housewives give a shit about any of us=LOL You can bet none of them would fight with each other over one of us.

    As for the NJ women- could they possibly be any more boring and unlikeable? They are simply trailer trash with money.

  73. anutha hata says:

    I don’t know if Dina deleted her Twitters from last night, but I posted a couple of them on my blog. http://www.njhousewives.blogspot.com
    I’m offended that Dina would force people to drop Maxine-like people can’t think for themselves?
    I haven’t visited Toni’s site yet, but thank-you Lynn for finding a back-up place for us to meet RE:NJ.
    I have to agree with your decision not to blog NJ. I don’t like both states being on at the same time.
    I also agree that the NJ cast is just scary, (in real life).!
    When I plugged Provenzano’s name into Google, what I found made me hesitate before posting what I really thought of him.-not cool Bravo putting us all in danger here.
    Frankly, last night’s NJ looks like they broke that law about associating with other ex-felons? or am I missing something?
    And what about that other law about not profiting via book sales etc. from crimes?
    I wish someone like Lynn would teach me how to use twitter. There are no instruction there, and I’m probably worse than Jen. I’d love to see the transcripts if only for educational purpose.

  74. iceNfire says:

    Lyn – FLIPPING OUT – I was so happy to see Jeff and Jenny on Bravo’s summer previews. Love the lunch scenes with Zola this is one show that make laugh out loud. Please blog about this one. I do watch BB but nothing makes me laugh more than Flipping Out.
    I fell asleep during RHONJ but commercial woke me up (why are commercials so damn loud?) so I rewound only to fall asleep again. Too contrived, very bad acting. I wont miss NJ blogs at all.
    Good blog/job Lynn!

    • TLM says:

      The new “Summer on Bravo” commercials make me kinda depressed, because it looks like they’re just prepping the audience for reruns of all these shows, most of which I don’t want to see again (Please God, if they have to drag out Miami Social, NYC Prep, or Million-Dollar Listing again, I hope it’s at 2am. No, scratch that, I’d rather watch Slap Chop infomercials if I have insomnia than those shows). Jeff Lewis does nice renovations, but I can’t take watching his mean spiritedness and weird straightfaced, monotoned sarcasm with his employees anymore. It’s been forever since Jackie Warner, the trainer, was on, and I don’t care to hear about her dating problems anymore or her kooky staff, who have been popping up here and there on other shows (Jesse is on a cooking show as a chef – no, a cook! – no, a chef! — where they go to different locations as caterers, and in a really sick twist, Rebecca shook her ass in front of patients on Dr. Drew’s Sex Rehab as the “physical fitness” trainer for patients, which was very short-lived, particularly since a gay male patient complained if the other guys got to look at Rebecca, he should be able to look at a hot male trainer. Point taken. ). No more interest in Patti Stanger, the OC, Atlanta, or NJ. The commercial was well put together, but it mostly reminded me of all the shows I’ve watched, some of them liked, but mostly never want to see again. Some of these shows need to be sold off for syndication in a fire sale, and fast.

      Thank God Bethenny’s show is starting June 10 and I’m assuming that at least 13 episodes were shot, so that will last for a little while. I have been hearing little rumors about RH of DC, but I suspect it’s going to be very blah and I have no interest in that either. I think the deal is that they couldn’t get any real Washington insiders to participate because it would be career suicide. I don’t know if they ever agreed to include the infamous Salahis, but I suppose that couple would be the “Kim Zolciak and Big Poppa” of the group.

  75. Adgirl says:

    Lynn, I’m so glad to have this blog to visit!!! Love you!
    NJ – I can’t be bothered. Yawn.

    Now, I would certainly watch a show about Ramona. She’s fiesty, unpredictable and has several businesses she oversees. I’ve really grown to adore her this year.

  76. TLM says:

    This gives a pretty good history on laws that attempt to prevent criminals from profiting from their crimes. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2239/how-are-criminals-prevented-from-profiting-from-their-crimes

    It’s a little legalistic in places, but here’s the basic summary:

    – Where these laws even exist, their details vary from state to state.
    – The profit-from-books issue came to national prominence with the “Son of Sam” case in NY, and the laws are still referred to colloquially as “Son of Sam laws”. However, many of these laws have constitutional issues, since they seek to ban speech (in the form of a book) based on content.
    – If there has been a civil suit against a criminal in which the plaintiff won, and the plaintiff is entitled to money damages, it’s likely any income the criminal receives from a book or elsewhere will be reachable anyway to pay the judgment. But being entitled to it and collecting it are two different things. O.J. Simpson still has yet to pay a penny to the Goldman family, and had gone to great lengths to make sure money he received wasn’t “income” for the purpose of paying a judgment.

  77. Pantry Viewer says:

    Please tell what Ashley tweeted that was so controversial. So much is out there about Danielle, what could that dumb girl say to add to the fire? I’m done with NJ anyway. I find it boring, but ever since Teresa went after Bethenny because she thought she would be more popular on Team Jill, I dislike the show even more.

    • TLM says:

      It was pretty blatant to me that Teresa thought the more raunchy and rude her talk was on her blogs (and on the show for that matter), she could become the “New Jersey Bethenny.” That plan didn’t work, because she has no intelligence or wit whatsoever. Just crudeness and bad taste in every sense, and she is clueless to that fact. Oh, and look, she also wrote a cookbook! Fancy that coincidence with Bethenny.

      When the website for her cookbook originally was posted, she was nasty to Bethenny by saying “I didn’t copy ‘Skinny’ from her (please).” However, on her later blog where she addressed the origin of her book’s name, she copied that text, but now added, “I’m sure Bethenny’s book is a great book,” etc. Her more recent blogs attempt not to offend anyone, and to explain/defend things that happened on the show that show her or her family in a bad light. I think she has seen how her nasty comments about B and her life have made her popularity go down, so now she’s trying to be Good Teresa again, but I think it’s little bit late for that. Her comments about Danielle’s private parts were so crude I can’t even repeat them here, and anyone who could make the vicious remarks she did about Jason “knocking B up within 6 months of meeting her” showed her for what she is, the lowest of the low. It’s supposed to be a blessing for Teresa to have a baby, but 2 committed, engaged-to-be-married adults who were in a race against time to have a healthy child were “knocked up” and should have used a condom, because they were adjusting to dealing with the publicity surrounding the pregnancy?? Danielle is a s**t for having sex once in a while, but we should all enjoy hearing about how Teresa does her husband twice a day, apparently while pregnant, and how he likes to do her after she flips tables? Oh, and did I mention how Teresa is all of a sudden saying congratulations to B on her beautiful baby on her blog? Puh-leeze, Teresa.

      I don’t think Teresa is cute or funny or in any way worth watching. She is sleazy, cheap and as tasteless and crude as they come.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @Pantry Viewer

      I’m with you. Enquiring minds want to know.
      Enquiring minds also want to know if we will ever be able to see what went on the entire night of Kellamity’s breakdown. I can handle the truth…..Satchels of gold. Satchels of gold. Sorry. Wrong line. Al Sharpton. Al sharpton.

  78. char212 says:

    I do believe that Dina, Jac, Teresa and Caroline read each other their blogs before they post them, it sure seems like it. I also think that Danielle waits to see what they say before she puts hers up.
    I agree that NJ doesn’t have a story line at all. If it wasn’t for the Danielle story line what would it be about? They don’t seem do much of anything worthwhile or interesting that would make it worth my time to watch.

    Now on to Kelly. She’s still tweeting the strangest things. Here’s what she tweeted this morning “going to ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. i like the yoga, but the tofu doesnt compare to chicken wings. ugh” Can anyone explain that to me please?

  79. desertgal66 says:

    anutha hata says:
    Frankly, last night’s NJ looks like they broke that law about associating with other ex-felons? or am I missing something?
    And what about that other law about not profiting via book sales etc. from crimes?

    Danielle has long been off probation. If Provenzano has also cleared his probation, then there is nothing to restrict them from associating with each other.

    The Son of Sam law varies from state to state, and the constitutionality of it has been held up to question numerous times-even once being overturned by the US Supreme Court as being unconstitutional. Chances are, if Danielle’s original plea bargain didn’t invoke the Son of Sam law, then there is nothing to restrict her legally from writing a book that includes revelations about the charges against her.

  80. Hooked On Housewives says:

    I’m so sorry. I know we have had this video link at least three times but I am drawn to this over and over. Kelly is such a liar and Jill is such a…a dumb bitch. In addition, it may be one of the very few times that someone is able to talk O-V-E-R the fakebitch Jill. In this vid Jillousy also states (while shaking her fat head solemly) I saw what they became in the end….What? Who?

    Please take good notice when Kelly starts going on about Bethenny and the cook/chef thing Jill starts to say to Kelly “you shouldn’t go to her level but LuMann interrupts and mentions that one of her friends had Bethenny as a caterer. Then the dishrag says that is how she heard of Bethenny as a chef as well. All the botox in Jillousy’s face dropped. She looked like the Joker. I keep rewinding back to that part. LOL. Kind of makes me wonder if Jillousy sent LuMann an e-mail saying, I thought we were friends. How could you talk nice about Bethenny?


    • Dani says:

      I just watched this video and you are so right. Jill looks and LuAnn like WTF. I am sure she let LuAnn know that she took over her scene. She is such a rag.

    • Nancyusa says:

      When they’re talking about Kelly leaving Jill pipes up to say

      ” I saw what they turned into by the end”

    • Kokuanani says:

      I love the fact that Jill says something like “I hate gossip,” but then has 1,000 questions on “what happened” and “what did they say?” etc.

    • Jillousyness says:

      I’ve seen that clip but enjoyed watching it again with your points in mind. Say what you will about LuAnn but she’s been right a couple of times about all this. She told Jill she shouldn’t just show up without calling (because it’s rude) and then in hearing Kelly retell her version of what went on she called her out about using the ho’bag term and said she did know other people that have had Bethenny cater/cook for them. You could tell by her voice over she absolutely did not believe Kelly saying that B. had admitted to smearing her in the press. Good on LuAnn. At least she wasn’t just jumping on the hate wagon based only on what Kelly said.

  81. A former Jill fan says:

    Jill posted on facebook a new pic of herself and is bragging that she didn’t even have it photoshopped. The pic is dark and in shadows. Anyone would look good in a dark, shadowed pic! LOL!

    Anyway, no amount of “photoshopping” could improve the ugliness of her soul!


  82. Olivia says:

    Perhaps all those guns hidden in Chris Laurito’s safe are the ones they use to hold against the heads of these women to obtain permission to film them in their most unflattering light? I mean, it makes sense because they are so willing to expose the worst of themselves for no other reason than to be featured on tv. How else can their stupidity to damage their children be explained? I am sure Danielle had to be “forced” to do this show.

    Just saying.

  83. A former Jill fan says:

    Maybe it was my screen that made it look dark. Tons of makeup, too. My main point remains though. 😛

  84. lillybee says:

    So Jill is getting her Hampton house ready for the summer. Is she renting one or did she get Bobby to buy her one?

    • DarkSonnet says:

      I’m leaning toward renting. Heaven knows, if she bought a new McMansion she would have alerted the media and proceeded to jam her opulence down everyone’s throat.

  85. desertgal66 says:

    “anutha hata says:
    I’m offended that Dina would force people to drop Maxine-like people can’t think for themselves?”

    I’m guessing that Bravo has ordered all the Housewives to distance themselves, even by extension, from Maxine after she broke the wrong news about Bethenny’s baby and Jill repeated it. I don’t think Dina is trying to force anyone to do anything-she’s simply trying to block tweets and retweets from Maxine, and there’s no other way to do it.

    Personally, I don’t blame them. Maxine is a blatant liar, and what she did was pretty hurtful to Bethenny.

    • I Can't Stand The Toxicity says:

      I noticed this afternoon that Kelly has started following Maxine. Kelly has also started to follow a number of people who are not really fans of hers. Kelly blocked one of my co-workers two weeks ago but she started following her this morning. I think Kelly is trying to ward off attacks by following people who don’t like her. I guess this is PR 101. LOL

  86. A former Jill fan says:

    DarkSonnet, I hadn’t seen your post re jill’s pic earlier. Loved the vaseline comment! LOL!

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Either vaseline or several layers of theatrical gauze. Who does she think she is kidding? Certainly not any of us! ;o) Maybe Luann or Kelly.

  87. Hooked On Housewives says:

    I would love to see a story in The Enquirer (have to read it in the checkout line because there is no way in hell I’ll pay for one) about Bawby Zarin caught at a chinese restaurant getting a blowjob from sum yung ting. LOL.

  88. KLAS says:

    Thanks for the great blog Lynn. Like most everyone else I won’t miss the NJ blog – those women are coma-inducing fakes. The only moment that seemed remotely “real” to me was Dina’s reaction to Theresa when she was asked to be the God mother to her new daughter. The rest of it is manufactured trash. Sick of it.

  89. iceNfire says:

    Reading books is so mush easier than trying to follow blogs with links. lol This is what I found while trying to keep up with everything posted here. I think It would be absolutely hilarious if Danielle turns out to be the break out star of NJ with her own show. Zip-It Manzos!

  90. Squirrels says:

    Just saw the shot of JillallaboutmeZarin. While the photo is too small to see where the catchlights are in her eyes, there is no evidence of a Main (Key) light complimented by a fill light. To top it off, there is no evidence of a hair light (a light placed behind the subject to separate the subject from the backdrop). Therefore, for all I know, its a mugshot, taken after she decked some socialite who dissed her at some fancy event. Just my professional opinion.

  91. I Can't Stand The Toxicity says:

    I wonder if Bethenny is going to bring Bryn to the taping of the reunion. I hope not, if Jill gets to see the baby, she will be on Twitter and Facebook announcing to the world that she finally got to see Bryn. I hope Andy Cohen brings up “Babygate” because I am interested to hear what Bethenny has to say about that. She has commented on that yet.

  92. anutha hata says:

    By saying that Dina and the other Housewives are “forcing” people to un-follow Maxine, I meant that it was the way she did it. It would be different if Dina had asked, but what she really did was make (force-whatever), people choose between following TweetMaxine or Dina & other NJ housewives.
    People were actually blocked from recieving Dina’s & other housewives Tweets if they are following Maxine.
    Maxine was making-up some BS about Project Ladybug not being a registered charity. (it is registered, I checked very easy to do).
    -But the reason that Dina gave for hating Maxine is because Dina said that she didn’t think it was cool to involve the children.
    Ha ha-I don’t think it is either, but some people put their children on TV, so they probably should have thought of that?

  93. Squirrels says:

    Thanks Hooked and DarkSonnet….

    What I find fascinating re: all the housewives is if this is all mugging for the cameras, why then, outside of the shows do they display such animosity toward one another. To me, all the rancor completely blows Kellamity’s theory of “just entertainment” out of the water.

  94. Hooked On Housewives says:

    Scroll down the photos. The Zarins and The Singers, et al are about three quarters down the page.

    Check this out. Jillousy and her fabulous circle of friends. Shows the whole Zarin family except for ex-wife. Can you imagine? There are two Jills in the family.

    Bye the bye. Does Bawby think he is George Clooney or something. he never goes anywhere without his Foster Grants. Idiot. And Jill is definitely a size 1 (my ass).


    • Viki55 says:

      Someone named Amy Kaplan is wearing the exact same dress as Jill. They are posing together!

      • Hooked On Housewives says:


        Yup. Same dress. My guess would be that it is a Zarin Fabrics hot special of the week. I laughed so hard because it is too easy to see just who isn’t a size one(Jillousy) when she is standing beside a size one. Lying b*tch.

  95. Squirrels says:

    BTW, it came to my attention that Ashley Holmes was convicted for simple assault against Danielle Staub. I wonder if this would open a door to sue Ashley for damages to the weave/pain and suffering, etc., regardless of the so called iron clad contract they all signed. I cannot imagine Bravo nor cast members can skate when it involves violence.
    Any guesses?

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @ Squirrels, natures little speed bump

      I don’t know about Bravo but what I do know it is contractually stated and upheld that any physical violence of one cast member towards another will get you thrown off The Real World (MTV?). I guess it’s OK to throw punches or pull out weave on the RHW franchise. Holy cow. She just pulled out my weave. Somebody get a cop.

      • Squirrels says:

        LMAO…. too rich !

      • Smompy says:

        Actually MTV stopped enforcing that rule years ago. It may still be stated in their contracts, but they ignore it whenever it suits them, and a number of alchohol-feuled altercations and outright assaults have been aired in recent years. I only watched two full episodes during the most recent Real WOrld season from D.C. On one episode the kids were standing around the front porch of their house arguing about nonsense, most of them drunk as hell, and one of the guys literally picked up a smaller guy and threw him over the railing. He landed on his head on the concrete sidewalk anout ten feet below and ended up in the hospital. The aggressor wasn’t asked to leave. The cast took a vote and most thought he should stay because “he didn’t mean any harm.” The violent guy did promise to stop drinking though. On the next episode that promise-making guy deliberately got drunk and immediately started picking fights with the other castmates. I tuned out at that point and haven’t tuned back in since.

        • jezzibel says:

          One of the chicks from Real World San Diego attacked a friend of mine one night after we got back from Iraq..she wound up in jail…funny thing he’s a martial arts instructer (also he was sober)and could have kickerd her butt 10 ways to sunday, but he did’nt, because he did’nt want to be arrested for assult…they caught the whole thing on camera..last time I heard he’d taken her and the production company to court.

        • Hooked On Housewives says:

          My bad. Guess you can tell how long it’s been since I watched The Real World. OK then. Let the weave pulling begin.

      • Smompy says:

        This might be my favorite oxymoronic Kellyism – from the moronic ox herself:

        “The minute I walk into the room, I create…this stagnant frenetic energy.”

        WTF? I wonder what she MEANT to say there. Or maybe she said exactly what she meant but I’m simply incapable of understanding it because I’m not real or authentic enough and I don’t have enough integrity?

        • sbh says:

          can’t help you, for I too, am inauthentic, with zero integrity. Also, I am not real enough to make up lies about things that were caught on tape (that I knew would be caught on tape) things that would show me for the liar that I am. Sadly, I am amazingly, just not being the real me when I tell the truth and apologize when I act like a psyco.

  96. Kelly-Has- Big-Shoulders says:

    @ TLM, Yikes that was some info on the Manzos. I had no idea very interesting indeed. @ HOOKED ON HOUSEWIVES, Your halarious, love love your comments.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      Thanks. I’ve got a million of ’em. LOL

  97. lillybee says:

    This is in reference to Jill claiming that she is a size 1. Some clothing lines, like Chico’s use sizes 0-1-2-3-4. I know that their size 1 is really a 6-8.

  98. Squirrels says:

    lillybee – didn’t know that, although I expect Jill borrows designer dresses with the insistence they switch the sizing label before it’s delivered. At least it sounds like her modus operandi. Of course the alternative is SHE’S LYING…. no say it ain’t so : )

  99. Hooked On Housewives says:

    Oh my. Say it isn’t so. Kelly lost her editorial position when she separated from Gilles. Say it isn’t so.

    But news of their recent breakup, and Ms. Bensimon’s subsequent removal as the editor of an Elle spinoff about accessories, has been greeted by some colleagues and tabloid columnists with unexpected relish. Their jabs have caught the ambitious heroine, disparaged as a modern-day Becky Sharp, by surprise.

    ”Mediocrity is not an option for me,” Ms. Bensimon said. ”Because of my last name, there is this idea that I have to constantly prove myself. I can’t just be an editor or do a book. It has to be the best book ever.”


    • TLM says:

      How weird is it that she is quoted saying, “I’m not an exhibitionist,” and in the very next sentence, the writer says she lifted her skirt up and flashed the other people waiting for a fashion to begin, because everyone was too serious???

      Wow, I give that writer a lot of credit. He or she actually managed to make her sound interesting, despite the blatant contradictions and lack of depth.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Yes, and one of them was an epic succes that she managed to totally write on her Blackberry.

      Yes. yes she did.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        My favorite part of the article…”I’m not an exhibitionist,” she said. ”I really don’t like attention. Whenever I get bored at fashion shows, I look down at my feet and say, ‘Look at my cute shoes.’ ”
        I imagine this would be comical….
        “A year ago she was at a Marc Jacobs show, and during the interminable wait between the time everyone took their seat and the show began, Ms. Bensimon smiled amid a sea of seriously blank stares. Then she lifted up her skirt for a flash of comedy relief. “

    • sbh says:

      If her last name (Bensimon) is such a problem, then why doesn’t she drop it and only go by her maiden name?

  100. JillHater says:

    OK. I am DYING to know what Ashley wrote in the Twitter post. Can anyone tell me?

  101. A former Jill fan says:

    Has this been posted yet? the sins of jill zarin


  102. A former Jill fan says:

    Stats on jill’s book on amazon:

    Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #5,606 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
    #68 in Books > Parenting & Families > Family Relationships
    #15 in Books > Nonfiction > Women’s Studies > Motherhood
    #15 in Books > History > World > Jewish

    • Squirrels says:

      Thanks A former jill fan. I’ve been wondering about the stats for over a week now. Is there anyway to see how many she’s sold?

  103. iceNfire says:

    Brad’s been set FREE! On his facebook he writes that he WILL be on the reunion show. This just keeps getting better!

    • TLM says:

      If Brad’s been set free, perhaps there’s hope for Ginger after all…

      He has B listed as one of his favorites. Ruh-roh, Jill…

    • chismosa says:

      wait he is going to be on the Reunion? for what purpose? he was not even on the entire SEASON???!?? Maybe Jill is bringing him in as defense. She cannot be alone, EVER with these women. She must have Bawby or i guess, Brad?
      Why Brad, why?

      Gone to the darkside…

      • Jillousyness says:

        I just read it and only saw where he said he would be on next Thursdays season finale, not the reunion show. But there was something very interesting in the comments where he says he’ll be on season 4, not to worry. That seems odd to me as I didn’t think they usually cast that far in advance of taping the next season. But if so then that means Jill will be back. oh no……

        • chismosa says:

          i just read this- this is like the worst piece of news i’ve ever read. i hope to god he is kidding and they do not in fact know about next season. URRRRRGGGGHHHHH

  104. Earring Girl says:

    In season 2 RHWONY when Jill went ballistic on B about the signage at the charity event and told her to “just leave”, I told my friends that I was done with Jill and they all said I was wrong. At the reunion she tried to make like she was sorry – did the fake crying when they showed Gloria talking with B – for me it did not matter. Season 3 started and when I heard her voice – I “stuck a fork in her and considered her DONE” for the rest of the season!!!!!

    On the subject of Andy & Jill’s relationship – I have noticed that Andy does not speak against any of the housewives and on WWH he usually does not get into what has happened on RHONY, he usually puts out a question to the viewers on some subject from the show and whatever the poll is he usually says that’s interesting but he never comments in favor of or against. IMHO

    I don’t know if this has been posted or not but I think it’s an interesting read: http://www.realitytea.com/tag/kelly-bensimon-crazy/

    • The Digger says:

      When Jill went off on B and told her to leave that was the beginning of the end of Jill for B too. The look on B’s face. The bulging veins. B was burning mad. B took notes that nite and the tide changed. I told someone that B and Jill would be enemies by the next season. I was right.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @Earring Girl; @The Digger

      In the infamous “signage” scene I remember thinking that even though they were supposed to be great friends, Jill had no qualms about cutting Bethenny down (just leave) It became clear to me that Jill would not hesitiate to step on anyone who got in her spotlight. I also remember thinking that both Ramona and Jill were two greedy, grasping women who would not hesitate to throw anyone under the bus they perceived as beneath them.

      I do agree that although the friendship between B and Jill went on, something in B’s eyes said that, at that moment, Jill had put a big chink in their relationship. IMHO I don’t think Bethenny believed that Jill would have ever treated her that way. Other people. Yes. But not Bethenny.

  105. LynnNChicago says:

    Here are some of Ashley’s Tweets directly after the “incident” that I discussed in my blog. You will notice that they are well more than 140 characters, Ashley has a program called, TwitLonger that allows you to go beyond 140 characters if you click onto the link in her tweet, you can read the entire post.

    The first comment was made in general on Twitter, the other two were made directly to one other person but I have deleted their name for privacy reasons.

    There are plenty of comments I could make but I’ll restrain myself….here they are…

    for those of you who feel the need to “tattle” on my to my mother…realize i’m 19…not 7…if you have a problem with me..don’t follow me..it’s that simple..my mom sees what i write on here..you don’t need to tell her too…it’s annoying.. thank you

    @XXXXXXXX so then quit stalking my life? hah enough said…i’m 19…i can say what i want…i’m legal..& it’s also called freedom of speech.. this is twitter not the new york times.. i didn’t even say anything bad…i tweeted what MY FRIEND said TO ME about what DANIELLE said about ME to HIM…& i told my mom..plus she had seen my tweets already…who are you? get over it. HAHAHA and OKAY last i checked andy, and the people at bravo weren’t calling me up to say my mom’s career was in jepordy..if anything it would be mine…so if THEY aren’t worried…you shouldn’t be.. thanks. love&light;

    @XXXXXXXXX ?okay..whatever lady..you’re a waste of my time…why don’t you go get off twitter then and do something with your life since you’re such a mature adult and so much better than me haha

    • Hatefake says:

      Career???? She and Jackie have “careers”???

      Oh my, the delusional world of reality tv personalities. smdh

    • Jillousyness says:

      Thank Lynn for the privacy concerns but I already put it in my early comments about my interaction with the twit. Those last two tweets were sent directly to me. For the record – I never tweeted or ‘tattled’ to Jacqueline nor asked Ashley to delete or remove her comments. I also don’t follow or ‘stalk’ her. I blocked her after her last tweet to me as I didn’t want it to go any further. It was pointless.

  106. Hooked On Housewives says:

    Remember when LuMann took all the girlies out for a spa/yoga/foo foo day. They were all talking about how they felt when their husbands left. Insecure, low self esteem, lonely, etc. We wondered why Jillousy didn’t say a word. Now I know why. Jillousy was the other woman. She was the store associate that Bawby took up with. I think the group would have been better served if they left Jillousy at home and brought Eileen Zarin with them. LOL.

    • iceNfire says:

      Good catch Hooked. (no pun intended) I thought she had remained quiet because she thought she could keep her divorce secret from the viewers.
      Yes, she thinks we’re that stupid.

  107. desertgal66 says:

    TLM says:
    “It’s been forever since Jackie Warner, the trainer, was on, and I don’t care to hear about her dating problems anymore…”

    Bravo pulled the plug on Jackie Warner’s show last year, after she was caught making disparaging remarks about a client’s boob job on camera. The client was a well known breast cancer survivor slash activist, and the boob job that Warner made fun of was actually a breast reconstruction that was done after the client had a double mastectomy. The client’s boyfriend was standing near Warner’s office door when she made the remarks, and reportedly gave her seven kinds of hell over it. Several sponsors pulled out of the show as soon as the episode aired, in protest. Warner tried to say that it was her assistant who made the remarks, but unedited footage showed that it was Warner who made the remarks. It was a nasty piece of business.

    How stupid can a person get? She owns a gym, is building a brand, and knew the cameras were there – and she pops off with nasty comments about one of her clients? Really, really dumb. Needless to say, her branding and other projects came to a screeching halt. I think SkySpa is still open, but that’s about it.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Thanks for that TLM, I did see that episode but had no idea of the resulting fall out…interesting!

      • TLM says:

        Hi Lynn — I didn’t post about the Jackie comment — my comment was just that first line. They did show all that on the episode. I thought they finished out that season, and I know Jackie still released her workout DVDs and thought she was selling workout clothes somewhere. Didn’t know there were any plans for another season for her on Bravo anyhow, bad remark or not.

  108. LynnNChicago says:

    From my blog after the 1st NJ episode of this season:

    Spoiler Alert..The police activity that you see in the previews for the show is the result of an altercation that Danielle had with Jacqueline’s daughter. Ashley Holmes was found guilty of simple assault and fined $189 for pulling out Danielle’s hair extensions. Initially Danielle also pressed charges against Teresa and Jacqueline for “menacing” behavior but later dropped those charges. Ironically this all occurred at a charity event. Watch what happens! (in my experience with Bravo, my guess is that we won’t see this until the end of the season)

    • iceNfire says:

      Thanks for posting tweets. I don’t know how you get around to everything that’s out there. Are you a robot?

    • error 404 says:

      I read that she had to drop the suits because they are contractually forbidden to sue each other. As Ashley is not a “real housewife”, that suit was allowed to stand.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      Not trying to cast any aspersions here but a 19 year old girl physically going after a grown woman (or not so grown up woman) is ridiculous. Doesn’t say must about her upbringing or what is obviously tolerated in her home. Personally, had it been me, we would have both been arrested because they would have had to pry my hands from her neck. (JK). Reminds me of Lynn’s kids on RHWOC. In fact, all three of those girls should be put out on their own to see how they like the real world not the “reality” world. I’m pretty sure there are young ladies out there who have to work for what they want and would not take crap from a little jerk who thinks she’s special and entitled.

  109. DarkSonnet says:

    What in the heck did Brad do to his face?? OMG That is just bad, sorry.

    I guess we know what Brad was doing while locked in the basement at Zarin Fabrics.

    A friend should have advised him to staaawwp, please just staaawwp.

    Is that his real Facebook page?

    • iceNfire says:

      As far as I know it’s real. I asked to be friended several weeks ago and just got the “ok” in mail today.

    • The Digger says:

      OMG. Bradddddd. Your face…….. whut happened??? Looks like he ordered the full Joan Rivers special. Oh my… jeez. Let’s hope it is just a ton of make up spackled on, that he really still looks human and not like a Brad droid. He has been in LA, right?

  110. Kelly-Has- Big-Shoulders says:

    You guys ara amazing! Everyone is coming up with so much juicy info.
    Now does anyone have info on Jill’s ex Mr. Shapiro and or Bobby’s ex?

  111. Squirrels says:

    Did anyone notice at the Godjilla/Loony dinner re: telling Loony she may head down to surprise Ramona, Godjilla was STILL wearing a skating outfit?

  112. DarkSonnet says:

    Bawby’s ex is Eileen Schwartz Zarin, daughter of Milton Schwartz.

    A picture – http://www.lvrj.com/living/7549717.html

  113. Squirrels says:

    DarkSonnet – is there evidence he and J were playing patty-cake (ala Roger Rabbit) while he was still with his wife?

    • DarkSonnet says:

      I don’t know about the time line concerning his relationship with Jill. From what little I have seen, it appears that he was possibly separated before his relationship with Jill.

      • Hooked On Housewives says:

        @Dark Sonnet
        “From what little I have seen, it appears that he was possibly separated before his relationship with Jill.”

        LOL…….. or BECAUSE of it.

  114. iceNfire says:

    error 404 – how did you get round?

  115. Diana says:

    Just a quick note to tell you I love-love-love your blogs. I’m more of a fan of RHONY &OC . NJ girls are too close to real for me – reminds me of my ex-husband’s family. Very Italian & Manzo-esque. Creepy as Kelly would say. I hope to make it to Alex & Simon’s book signing in Chicago to support them.

  116. Quincy IL says:

    Bethenny was in a limo with Jill and Bobby once and I thought Bethenny was inappropriate and mean to Jill. Bethenny was making jokes about Jills breast size. She said something about nursing. Jill was laughing, but I thought she might be sensitive about this because shortly afterwards Jill had a surgery for breast reduction.

    I never like the insults about people’s non model faces or their jaw lines. We can’t all be models.

  117. boston02127 says:

    My oh my, I go out for a while and the board is heating up! Sins of Jill, Bobby’s ex, Brad is alive!, Assult. Hair extentions!!! Great pictures, Great posts!!!! I may have to breath in a paper bag before I go back and re-read everything.
    You guys are goooood….. 🙂

  118. Earring Girl says:

    From B’s twitter page: http://twitpic.com/1qtjwu

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @Earring Grirl
      I know you couldn’t have missed this on Bethennys twitter page. Looks like Kelly is out of the straight jacket. WTF is LivingSocial. Never mind. I’ll look it up. Why is B a whore for tweeting? Like I said if the tweet didn’t appear to be from Toronto I would swear it was that assh*le Kelly. Geez.

      … FadedYouthBlog about 2 hours ago @Bethenny, you’re a shameless whore who just tweeted some crap for LivingSocial for money. Whore!

      • TLM says:

        I saw that LivingSocial thing and I honestly wondered if someone hacked B’s Twitter account. It didn’t seem like something she would do.

  119. boston02127 says:

    @ iceNfire ~ I think you may have to find a round picture or any shape for that matter. Save the pic in your files on your computer. Come on this blog and click on
    “account” at the top left of this page. Once there click on “profile” then click on “change gravitator”. That is how I got my shamrock shape. Maybe there is an easier way but that’s how I did mine.

  120. A former Jill fan says:

    ice, did you email me thru A?

  121. TLM says:

    A fan photo of Kelly on Facebook, perhaps from her last night in St. John:

  122. Just a Commoner says:

    Hey! Am I the only one here who is getting frustrated at the format of this whole thing?

    I don’t watch RHONJ. I do watch RHONYC and would really like to follow discussions here but I can only stop by once or twice a day. It’s very difficult to follow any actual conversation between people since there is almost no structure to the way comments are posted.

    With this many participants, and this much valuable information being posted here, it would make far more sense to use a message board format than a blog/comments format.

    LYNN, if you want, I could set up a board at ibpfree.com and then let you take it over and tweak it however you want. Or just see how it would work and then decide—whatever. You can still do recaps or whatever else you want in a board format.

    Let me know. Thanks. I hope I see your reply if you do reply.

    • Slynn says:

      I agree completely! I actually preferred Hub Pages to this because of the reply system on this one. I think a less heavily moderated but TWOP like forum system combined with Lynn’s great blogs would be the perfect spot. However I have no idea if this format exists or how to do it sorry!

    • Jillousyness says:

      I prefer this reply method. When you reply it’s actually to a specific comment rather than the old way where it’s sometimes hours later to something that was said earlier but you might not have been on at that exact time and it comes across as a random comment and isn’t tied in at all.

      • Just a Commoner says:

        Yes, this reply method is better than the one on Hub pages. But on a message board it would be much better than this site. On the one I use, there’s a function where you can quote all or part of someone else’s response in the same thread so that everyone is clear about what you’re talking about. The quoted part is clearly delineated from the rest of the reply so there’s no confusion about who said what and when.

        And of course, different topics can be easily organized so that new users just coming in can find what they want and long-time users can also go back and quickly find posts or links or photos that were posted earlier. No scrolling up and down through a thousand comments to find one link.

  123. A former Jill fan says:

    Squirrels, what I’ve learved from Amazon and A. Chandler and google is that amazon doesn’t post the actual book sales. It would be interesting to know though.

    Her book can’t be doing too well since the second printing will be in paperback. Well, from the sales ranking, the book will never hit the bestseller list, that’s for sure!

  124. TLM says:

    Well, Ramona is back from her vacay and wants everyone to know; she has been Facebook-posting like crazy. This is the one that got my attention, though. Did I miss something, or are the RHONY now a 501(c)(3) charity??!?? This woman acts like she was trying to decide between giving to Greenpeace or Save The Children:

    Ramona Singer: I love my fans thanks for this great review on my HSN Chalcedony Ring:
    “I decided to purchase one of the products from the housewives of ny…it was either $25.00 for Jill Zarin’s book or $230.00 for a piece of ramona’s jewelry…this ring is fabulous, fits beautiful and arrived fast..so thrilled I went with ramona!”
    I am happy for Ramona’s success, don’t get me wrong. But holey moley, that Green Chalcedony Ring she is currently hawking is one of the ugliest rings I have ever seen in my life. http://ow.ly/1PQ4f And it’s $230!!! If I had to play The Price is Right on it, I would have guessed $49 maybe. Anyhow, someone needs to tell that woman that Jill’s book is down to $11 and change on Amazon.

  125. Nancyusa says:

    More from Alex

    “Much more crazy!” McCord claims that the editing actually made Bensimon look “better.”


    “I remember the first time that Kelly mentioned that she thought I was channeling the devil. It was in the middle of the soup course!” McCord tells Us. “That wasn’t the first time that had happened. Throughout the trip, it just came out of the blue.”

    “We’ve all talked after we saw the episode,” McCord recalls. “We just said, ‘Are you seeing what I’m seeing? Are we on the same planet?’ When things that happen that are that irrational, you think it’s you. We thought maybe our memories had distorted. But when [my husband] Simon saw it he said, ‘Okay. Now I understand what you were talking about!”

  126. DarkSonnet says:

    Nice to see that Kelly remains constant in her effort at subterfuge. Does she not realize that there are things called TV sets equipped with actual sound?

    @monilooboo i am scared of a lot of these cast mates, they are mean for no reason. ugh. 27 minutes ago via web in reply to monilooboo

    From Kelly’s Twitter.

  127. DarkSonnet says:

    I don’t remember – Has Jill ever disparaged living in Brooklyn?

    “Mr. and Mrs. Sol. J. Kamen (Gloria Levy), 550 East 21st St., Brooklyn, announce the birth of their daughter, Lisa Illena, June 10, 1960 at Brooklyn Jewish Hospital.”

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @Dark Sonnet

      Wow. That’s some detective work. How did you find that?

    • Just a Commoner says:

      Yes, Jill has disparaged Brooklyn, or were you being facetious?

      In season 1 or 2 when she went to Silex’s Brooklyn rowhouse that wasn’t yet rehabbed completely, she pointed out the carved “rope” door trim and said something like “You’d never see this stuff on Park Avenue. It’s not that great.” Or maybe she just said “upper east side” since she doesn’t live anywhere near Park Ave!

      Then there were the disdainful remarks about Brooklyn Fashion Week. She’s such a pig.

      • DarkSonnet says:

        No, not being facetious. I could not remember.

      • TLM says:

        I am not a fan of Jill’s anymore, but I remember that whole scene and I don’t think Jill was disparaging Brooklyn. The VanKempens asked for her opinion on their planned renovation, and they said they wanted to keep the existing molding that was in the house when they bought it. Jill said that it was fine if they wanted to keep it, but just that they shouldn’t be keeping it because they thought it had any intrinsic value or was “original to the house.” She said it was probably installed in recent years. Sometimes things like that are considered valuable architecturally, and sometimes not. Basically Jill was saying that their decision to keep it should be based only on the fact that they liked it and not any perceived historic value. Maybe this was more information than the VanKempens wanted, but I got the impression at the time that they appreciated her input, and I thought she was thoughtful to give it to them.

  128. Hooked On Housewives says:

    I will repost this because it upsets me a lot. More than a lot. A ton

    Earring Girl says:
    May 25, 2010 at 4:46 pm
    From B’s twitter page: http://twitpic.com/1qtjwu

    My response: @Earring Grirl
    I know you couldn’t have missed this on Bethennys twitter page. Looks like Kelly is out of the straight jacket. WTF is LivingSocial. Never mind. I’ll look it up. Why is B a whore for tweeting? Like I said if the tweet didn’t appear to be from Toronto I would swear it was that assh*le Kelly. Geez.

    FadedYouthBlog about 2 hours ago @Bethenny, you’re a shameless whore who just tweeted some crap for LivingSocial for money. Whore!

  129. Zarout! says:

    Lynn, if you start blogging about BB & Flipping Out, I might end up replacing my Facebook addiction with your blog! I love it!

  130. otaypanky says:

    All just stopped suddenly.

  131. iceNfire says:

    Thanks boston a former jill
    I’m must be down to my last brain cells! Of course I need to have picture cropped on my hard drive! Go Away Jill Zarin! Look what you have reduced me to!

  132. A former Jill fan says:

    ice! are you there? I have your email addy. Did you need me to email you?

  133. iceNfire says:

    former jill I kind of figured it out, but if email me if your curious

  134. DarkSonnet says:

    If you would like a few chuckles, visit the comments section of the Zarin site.


    While you browse through, please keep in mind the family names, Allyson Paige Shapiro, Jill Susan Kamen Zarin and of course, good old Sol. J. Kamen, who “signs” under his full name. Or did he?

    Precursor to amazongate? Things that make you go hmmmm?

    • The Digger says:

      There’s more. I posted this 4 weeks ago on Hubpages and Lynn wrote a blog about it:

      TheDigger 4 weeks ago

      I’ve been watching Howives of NY since the beginning. Jill isn’t the only one doing these little fake reviews to pump up her business interests. She writes under fake names and pimps out her family to write reviews also. I KNEW I had seen more fake reviews from the Zarin clan, it took me a minute to find them. Here – from this link: http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/lower-east-side


      t has everything you can think of and then some.I met the owner, Bobby Zarin who was friendly and very helpful. That’s the reason they have the great reputation they enjoy. They do things the old fashion way, you, the customer come’s first.

      posted by Sol J. Kamen on 2005-05-11 12:01:39


      Zarn is great. I am in the middle of redecorating my room and Zarin is doing everything. I custom orderd apink tufted headboard, a pink carpet and i got all of my furniture from them. Best quality and low prices. i highly rercomend Zarin to everyone.

      p.s i found zarin in Zagat as the #1 upholstery store….check them out!

      posted by ally shapiro on 2006-05-23 22:27:41

      Isn’t it AMAZING that Sol and Ally shop at Zarin Fabrics – and they are happy customers! I am sure Gloria lets Sol do all the decorating in their little Boca retirement hideaway. AND, Did you know Ally reads Zagat? I had no idea 12 year olds were interested in reading Zagat guides and reviews. Who freaking knew? And, she ordered a new custom headboard, carpet and furniture from Zarin Fabrics! It’s Pink!

      Now look at Judysbook.com for New York – Ally S wrote a review there too!! http://www.judysbook.com/cities/newyork/Retail-Sho


      “WOW! So many to choose from and amazing prices!”

      Ally S.

      How can they sell the same EXACT fabric as D and D but for a fraction of price. I was lucky obviosuly they had what I wanted in stock but did not expect to save so much moeny too. The help there were smart and educated with the yardage I needed. There is NO WHERE else like this in NY. I went to Silk trading and they are so OVERPRICED!r

      I guess Ally did some price checking at D and D and she gets good prices from Zarin. Imagine that.

      OH, and here, right on the Zarin Fabrics Website – customer reviews… we have a review by Jill S. Looks like Jill Shapiro gets around. Anyone doubt this is all Jill? From this link: http://www.zarinfabrics.com/customer_reviews.aspx

      By jill S., Network | Posted 5/22/06 at 7:23 pm:

      They have 3 floors. Each very organized. Main floor georgous furniture and gifts and accessorie.s I bought my mothers and fathers day gifts even though I came for fabric! Awesome selection of designer fabrics at 5 and up a yard. Pillows, hardware trim . I am a designer and hate D and D. Too big,,to epensive and too rude. Zarin staff friendly, educated and generous. Offered free parking and helped cary my packages to car. WHo does that anymore?

      The Insider pages reviews which link to the Zarin Website: http://www.insiderpages.com/b/13943565094

      Jill S. has only done one review, zip code matches famewhore Jill’s address. At this link it shows Jill Shapiro’s full name for the same exact review:


      You’ve been busted, bitch.

      Now let’s talk about SUSAN.

      Susan also likes to send in tips about Zarin Fabrics:



      Store Tip: Zarin Fabrics is Expanding

      This just in from Susan: Harry Zarin is expanding and offering furniture and accessories as well. Their new name is Zarin Fabric and Home Furnishings:

      Saw an ad for Zarin Fabric and Home Furnishings in New York Magazine and NY Home. It look so different than older ads. I went to store. They are totally expanding into the corner store and will now have entire the block! They still have great fabric selection( over 20,000) but now have GEORGEOUS furniture and accessories at discount prices lower than D & D. Same quality. New York Mag recommended them in Best Bets so I though I would go down and see for myself. Can’t wait till they finish construction though. They say they will be done end of month. I will check back in Feb and let you know.

      Thanks, Susan!

      YES – – Thanks SUSAN!! Or should I say Ms. Saunders?

      Don’t BOTHER to delete all these reviews, Jill or Susan or whatever the hell your name is today. I grabbed screenshots. Eternity is a bitch, eh?

      Jill thinks the whole world is stupid. Guess what Jill, if you are going to lie, use your family to plant reviews and use fake names when you post, be sure to change it up from lie to lie or the idiots of the world like me will link them all back to you.

      Karma bites, hard.

    • The Digger says:

      I wrote about this and a few more juicy reviews a month ago. Lynn did a blog on it at hubpages. Repost:

      TheDigger 4 weeks ago

      I’ve been watching Howives of NY since the beginning. Jill isn’t the only one doing these little fake reviews to pump up her business interests. She writes under fake names and pimps out her family to write reviews also. I KNEW I had seen more fake reviews from the Zarin clan, it took me a minute to find them. Here – from this link: http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/lower-east-side


      t has everything you can think of and then some.I met the owner, Bobby Zarin who was friendly and very helpful. That’s the reason they have the great reputation they enjoy. They do things the old fashion way, you, the customer come’s first.

      posted by Sol J. Kamen on 2005-05-11 12:01:39


      Zarn is great. I am in the middle of redecorating my room and Zarin is doing everything. I custom orderd apink tufted headboard, a pink carpet and i got all of my furniture from them. Best quality and low prices. i highly rercomend Zarin to everyone.

      p.s i found zarin in Zagat as the #1 upholstery store….check them out!

      posted by ally shapiro on 2006-05-23 22:27:41

      Isn’t it AMAZING that Sol and Ally shop at Zarin Fabrics – and they are happy customers! I am sure Gloria lets Sol do all the decorating in their little Boca retirement hideaway. AND, Did you know Ally reads Zagat? I had no idea 12 year olds were interested in reading Zagat guides and reviews. Who freaking knew? And, she ordered a new custom headboard, carpet and furniture from Zarin Fabrics! It’s Pink!

      Now look at Judysbook.com for New York – Ally S wrote a review there too!! http://www.judysbook.com/cities/newyork/Retail-Sho


      “WOW! So many to choose from and amazing prices!”

      Ally S.

      How can they sell the same EXACT fabric as D and D but for a fraction of price. I was lucky obviosuly they had what I wanted in stock but did not expect to save so much moeny too. The help there were smart and educated with the yardage I needed. There is NO WHERE else like this in NY. I went to Silk trading and they are so OVERPRICED!r

      I guess Ally did some price checking at D and D and she gets good prices from Zarin. Imagine that.

      OH, and here, right on the Zarin Fabrics Website – customer reviews… we have a review by Jill S. Looks like Jill Shapiro gets around. Anyone doubt this is all Jill? From this link: http://www.zarinfabrics.com/customer_reviews.aspx

      By jill S., Network | Posted 5/22/06 at 7:23 pm:

      They have 3 floors. Each very organized. Main floor georgous furniture and gifts and accessorie.s I bought my mothers and fathers day gifts even though I came for fabric! Awesome selection of designer fabrics at 5 and up a yard. Pillows, hardware trim . I am a designer and hate D and D. Too big,,to epensive and too rude. Zarin staff friendly, educated and generous. Offered free parking and helped cary my packages to car. WHo does that anymore?

      The Insider pages reviews which link to the Zarin Website: http://www.insiderpages.com/b/13943565094

      Jill S. has only done one review, zip code matches famewhore Jill’s address. At this link it shows Jill Shapiro’s full name for the same exact review:


      You’ve been busted, bitch.

      Now let’s talk about SUSAN.

      Susan also likes to send in tips about Zarin Fabrics:



      Store Tip: Zarin Fabrics is Expanding

      This just in from Susan: Harry Zarin is expanding and offering furniture and accessories as well. Their new name is Zarin Fabric and Home Furnishings:

      Saw an ad for Zarin Fabric and Home Furnishings in New York Magazine and NY Home. It look so different than older ads. I went to store. They are totally expanding into the corner store and will now have entire the block! They still have great fabric selection( over 20,000) but now have GEORGEOUS furniture and accessories at discount prices lower than D & D. Same quality. New York Mag recommended them in Best Bets so I though I would go down and see for myself. Can’t wait till they finish construction though. They say they will be done end of month. I will check back in Feb and let you know.

      Thanks, Susan!

      YES – – Thanks SUSAN!! Or should I say Ms. Saunders?

      Don’t BOTHER to delete all these reviews, Jill or Susan or whatever the hell your name is today. I grabbed screenshots. Eternity is a bitch, eh?

      Jill thinks the whole world is stupid. Guess what Jill, if you are going to lie, use your family to plant reviews and use fake names when you post, be sure to change it up from lie to lie or the idiots of the world like me will link them all back to you.

      Karma bites, hard.

      • TLM says:

        This is sad. I at least thought that Jill did legitimate marketing for the fabric store, and that was her job, even if it wasn’t a 9-to-5 job where she was expected to be there 5 days a week, or even on a regular basis. This is not “marketing,” and she doesn’t know the first thing about it. Fake testimonials are beyond pathetic.

    • The Digger says:

      I posted these reviews and a bunch more on hubpages. Lynn wrote about it in her next blog. Jill and her family have been writing fake reviews for years. 1/2 wasy down the page under The Digger:

    • Adios Lunatic says:

      Definitely a precursor — you are GOOD DarkSonnet! That family is dumber than dirt.

      • NMhousewife says:

        Did you read the comment from someone obviously NOT a Zarin family member?

        “Bobby Zarin has something do with the success of this firm? If so, quite remarkable for an airhead who could not even master his courses at the University of Miami in the late 60’s…a real lightweight! ”

        posted by UM Alumnus on 2006-12-11 18:22:58

  135. anniieee says:

    is something weird going on?

  136. Morgaine Swann says:

    Hey, Lynn-

    I’m new around here and I just wanted to say that I’ve been enjoying your writing. I’m sorry you aren’t going to be blogging RHONJ anymore, but I understand your reasons.

    I lived in Philly for about 15 years but I got sick and had to move back home. The NY and NJ housewives keep me from missing the East Coast. I love both shows and while I do think the Danielle thing is a little old, it’s still a legitimate issue considering what happened to poor Ashley. Apparently the judge was very sympathetic but he had to find her guilty and she was charged a small fine.

    Considering that she now has a criminal record because of Danielle, it doesn’t surprise me she’d be talking smack about her on Twitter. I hate that she apparently included Christine in it, though. I think Christine and Jillian deserve to be protected. I can’t believe their father hasn’t swooped in to help them.

    Dina is my favorite on the NJ show, but I love Teresa and Caroline and even Jac, though I think she needs a backbone. I wasn’t surprised to see the safe full of guns, and the “gentlemen’s club” thing doesn’t surprise me, either. I used to know girls who made a lot of money in places like that. Without the option of dancing, a lot of them would resort to prostitution because there are few jobs that pay as well if you don’t have an education. The lines can be blurred, but the better places can actually give the girls that step up, so I’m not totally against the concept. I wish our society made it easier for to make a decent living so they didn’t have to do things like that, but we don’t, so I can’t blame the women who do it.

    I’m really looking forward to Bethenny’s show. We’ll get to enjoy watching her get ready for the wedding and the baby without having to endure Jill, LuAnn or Kelly. I’m glad she had the break with Jill now so we won’t see her on Bethenny’s show. It cracks me up that Jill excluded herself from all the fun by being mean. She deserves to be left out, and for an egotist like her, there’s no better punishment than being ignored.

  137. A former Jill fan says:

    DarkSonnet says:
    May 25, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    If you would like a few chuckles, visit the comments section of the Zarin site.


    While you browse through, please keep in mind the family names, Allyson Paige Shapiro, Jill Susan Kamen Zarin and of course, good old Sol. J. Kamen, who “signs” under his full name. Or did he?

    Precursor to amazongate? Things that make you go hmmmm?


    OMG! DarkSonnet, thanks for that post! I never thought to check zarin fabrics for those faked comments. LOL! What stupidity!

  138. A former Jill fan says:

    anniieee says:
    May 25, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    is something weird going on?


    Anniieee, i thought so too just a little while ago…

  139. anutha hata says:

    D-gal66—thaks for the info. about the legal questions. Danny was sentenced to serve ten years but got out after 4, so I don’t know his current legal status.
    Also, the info. about SOS law, -very interesting.

  140. anutha hata says:

    Um-Digger, I am really confused anyhow. But whatever-I’m not offended.
    Lynn-is it possible to turn-off replys to comments here?
    Just wondering ‘cuase the board jumps-around in a weird way.

  141. iceNfire says:

    lol @ former jill – Jill Zarin is sucking the brain power out of us all.

  142. Quincy IL says:

    After reading your posts, I went to Kelly’s twitter page. The only thing posted is a single word, “Twittering.”

    So… did Kelly post on Bethenny’s board?

  143. anutha hata says:


    Lynn-I’m not sure if this is how WP is formented, but it looks like if you uncheck “enable nested comments”, you can get rid of the reply to comment option if you want to?

    • Robinez says:

      I like the reply feature.It is a good tool when used properly.Unfortunately when you remove the reply option then you have to rely on the poster’s ability to make it clear what they are responding to via cc&p,etc…

      Since I am in the latter catagory lol..I prefer to use reply.Reply makes it perfectly clear to whom and what I am responding to.

      Take care,Robin

    • Jillousyness says:

      I just commented a little earlier that I too really like this reply system better. It keeps the comments tied to the exact post so it’s easier to stay on track.

  144. Quincy IL says:

    Zarin Fabric reviews…

    Lots of the names of reviewers with positive comments were family names of Jill Zarin. Could Jill be so stupid to have done that? Ummmmmmmm… well, yes. She did it at amazon.com under the name of Susan Saunders.

    Sometimes reality is hard to believe.

    I have a wonderful time reading all of your comments. Thank you. Bravo to all..

    To the guy who plagerized Lynn’s list, How hard is it for you to come up with an interesting thought of your own?

  145. Earring Girl says:

    Hooked on Housewives – Yes I saw that spew and I had no clue what that was about, so I chose “Bryn – Daddy I Miss You” picture to send out.

    Dark Sonnet, Digger & A Former Jill Fan – All of the comments on the fabric/store services are from family/friends and note the dates of the comments – 2005, 2006 & 2007. I wonder who is upkeeping that web site – maybe “Gloria”????? LOL

  146. iceNfire says:

    lol some has already caught and i hope screen captured them. Among the fake reviews at Zarin Fabics I found a REAL one.
    Bobby Zarin has something do with the success of this firm? If so, quite remarkable for an airhead who could not even master his courses at the University of Miami in the late 60’s…a real lightweight!
    posted by UM Alumnus on 2006-12-11 18:22:58

  147. The Digger says:

    Posted 4 weeks ago on Lynn’s blog at hubpages:

    TheDigger 4 weeks ago

    I’ve been watching Howives of NY since the beginning. Jill isn’t the only one doing these little fake reviews to pump up her business interests. She writes under fake names and pimps out her family to write reviews also. I KNEW I had seen more fake reviews from the Zarin clan, it took me a minute to find them. Here – from this link: http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/lower-east-side


    t has everything you can think of and then some.I met the owner, Bobby Zarin who was friendly and very helpful. That’s the reason they have the great reputation they enjoy. They do things the old fashion way, you, the customer come’s first.

    posted by Sol J. Kamen on 2005-05-11 12:01:39


    Zarn is great. I am in the middle of redecorating my room and Zarin is doing everything. I custom orderd apink tufted headboard, a pink carpet and i got all of my furniture from them. Best quality and low prices. i highly rercomend Zarin to everyone.

    p.s i found zarin in Zagat as the #1 upholstery store….check them out!

    posted by ally shapiro on 2006-05-23 22:27:41

    Isn’t it AMAZING that Sol and Ally shop at Zarin Fabrics – and they are happy customers! I am sure Gloria lets Sol do all the decorating in their little Boca retirement hideaway. AND, Did you know Ally reads Zagat? I had no idea 12 year olds were interested in reading Zagat guides and reviews. Who freaking knew? And, she ordered a new custom headboard, carpet and furniture from Zarin Fabrics! It’s Pink!

    Now look at Judysbook.com for New York – Ally S wrote a review there too!! http://www.judysbook.com/cities/newyork/Retail-Sho


    “WOW! So many to choose from and amazing prices!”

    Ally S.

    How can they sell the same EXACT fabric as D and D but for a fraction of price. I was lucky obviosuly they had what I wanted in stock but did not expect to save so much moeny too. The help there were smart and educated with the yardage I needed. There is NO WHERE else like this in NY. I went to Silk trading and they are so OVERPRICED!r

    I guess Ally did some price checking at D and D and she gets good prices from Zarin. Imagine that.

    OH, and here, right on the Zarin Fabrics Website – customer reviews… we have a review by Jill S. Looks like Jill Shapiro gets around. Anyone doubt this is all Jill? From this link: http://www.zarinfabrics.com/customer_reviews.aspx

    By jill S., Network | Posted 5/22/06 at 7:23 pm:

    They have 3 floors. Each very organized. Main floor georgous furniture and gifts and accessorie.s I bought my mothers and fathers day gifts even though I came for fabric! Awesome selection of designer fabrics at 5 and up a yard. Pillows, hardware trim . I am a designer and hate D and D. Too big,,to epensive and too rude. Zarin staff friendly, educated and generous. Offered free parking and helped cary my packages to car. WHo does that anymore?

    The Insider pages reviews which link to the Zarin Website: http://www.insiderpages.com/b/13943565094

    Jill S. has only done one review, zip code matches famewhore Jill’s address. At this link it shows Jill Shapiro’s full name for the same exact review:


    You’ve been busted, bitch.

    Now let’s talk about SUSAN.

    Susan also likes to send in tips about Zarin Fabrics:



    Store Tip: Zarin Fabrics is Expanding

    This just in from Susan: Harry Zarin is expanding and offering furniture and accessories as well. Their new name is Zarin Fabric and Home Furnishings:

    Saw an ad for Zarin Fabric and Home Furnishings in New York Magazine and NY Home. It look so different than older ads. I went to store. They are totally expanding into the corner store and will now have entire the block! They still have great fabric selection( over 20,000) but now have GEORGEOUS furniture and accessories at discount prices lower than D & D. Same quality. New York Mag recommended them in Best Bets so I though I would go down and see for myself. Can’t wait till they finish construction though. They say they will be done end of month. I will check back in Feb and let you know.

    Thanks, Susan!

    YES – – Thanks SUSAN!! Or should I say Ms. Saunders?

    Don’t BOTHER to delete all these reviews, Jill or Susan or whatever the hell your name is today. I grabbed screenshots. Eternity is a bitch, eh?

    Jill thinks the whole world is stupid. Guess what Jill, if you are going to lie, use your family to plant reviews and use fake names when you post, be sure to change it up from lie to lie or the idiots of the world like me will link them all back to you.

    Karma bites, hard.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      OMG Digger, how did I miss this in the last blog? We have to get A.Chandlet over here right away!!! She is gonna LOVE it! Hell, I LOVE IT! Outstanding Job

      • char212 says:

        They just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper. I bet they’ve been doing stuff like this all their lives. It’s about time they got caught. There goes what little credibility they had in the world of business.

  148. anniieee says:

    Ok I am really confused now… the last post by Digger was done at 430 but newer stuff is above it. I keep refreshing and I know I am not refreshed as it has been one hell of a long day..but mine looks like it is stuck. Anyone else having this problem or do I just need to go to bed?

  149. anniieee says:

    Ok I am really confused now… the last post by Digger was done at 430 but newer stuff is above it. I keep refreshing and I know I am not refreshed as it has been one hell of a long day..but mine looks like it is stuck. Anyone else having this problem or do I just need to go to bed? ackkkkkkkkkk now it won’t post….

    • otaypanky says:


    • KLAS says:

      You don’t need to go to bed just yet anniieee. I’m having the same problem you are. I keep refreshing the page but nothing changes.

      • desertgal66 says:

        Same here…The Digger’s post remains at the bottom, and newer ones appear above it. Software glitch, I guess.

  150. anniieee says:

    yes it did so sorry… 😦

  151. iceNfire says:

    annileeee Diggers post has been there all day

  152. anniieee says:

    thanks so much iceNfire…. I really thought my computer was screwed up..just went thru all my security checks, etc.. then I just thought I was having a gummy berry moment. Guess I will just go to bed and try again tomorrow. Night all..sleep well.

  153. The Digger says:

    Didn’t someone (Jill or maybe Ramona) say that someone gets slapped this season? I want to know who is going to get slapped and why.

  154. desertgal66 says:

    Interesting blog about TweetMaxine:


    Why do people support that particular brand of crazy? It’s blatantly obvious that Maxine makes everything up. “Bravo Central”, my ass. She’s holed up in a basement somewhere, sucking down Twinkies and YooHoo and cackling madly at her computer screen.

  155. boston02127 says:

    @ Desertgal66 ~~ lol

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Off topic – Does anyone else feel like they are reliving “Groundhog Day’?

      Every time I refresh, the last comment is one of Digger’s from about 4:30.


      • The Digger says:

        Yes, We are in the Twilight Zone. Why does it have to be MY comment from 4:30? Why is is always meeeee?

  156. chismosa says:

    guys can someone here tell me the significance of the ‘satchels of gold’ comment from Kelly that was discussed on Lynn’s last blog, bc there are like 14,000 comments on there and i dont have time to go through them all, was there something anti-semitic there? i thought i saw that mentioned a lot in the comments, which i quickly dashed over some of.

    and WHAT exactly is Ashley saying in the tweets that is so offensive? I just dont get it? I read what Lynn posted above.

    Thanks to anyone who can help!

    • TLM says:

      I think that fake doctor with the fake Kelly diagnosis was the one who said the “satchels” comment was anti-Semitic. I am Jewish, and I think it was a nonsense comment only Kelly understands in her mind. No one else at the table appeared to understand either.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Satchels of gold is a reward you win in a FaceBook game called Mouse Hunt. Apparently, Kelly plays the game on line. It’s not biblical or antisemitic or anything like that.

      • GreatExpectations says:

        Why would she say it then? It doesn’t make any sense. I really feel sometimes with Kelly that she is replaying snippets of conversations she has with other people with the housewives. It’s all so herky jerky and weird.

      • error 404 says:

        Isn’t Gilles jewish? Why would Kelly say something anti-semitic if her kids are half-jewish? I agree that a FB game is more Kiki’s speed. I also suspect she said it because she felt she won a point in her game against B, sort of like how Jacob kept leaving those stupid white stones for his smoke monster brother.. creepy.

        • chismosa says:

          omg just read this… ha ha the stones… please i cannot stop reading the online analysis of Lost, let alone get back to Lynn’s blog! my head is still spinning

        • FredTheCatTravels says:

          In Judaism, the kids are only Jewish if their mother is Jewish. It would not matter if the father was Jewish or not.

  157. chismosa says:

    yeah these comments’ times come up all differently, so odd. Lynn, i like this site better overall, but have to do something about the comments.
    I think one thing that has NOT been mentioned is that, during this episode of craziness that is the Virgin Isles trip, we see the edited cut. Just like the finale episode of NJ last year we saw the table-flip episode, we saw the edited cut first, THEN Bravo decided to air the UN-CUT Director’s cut… meaning UN-edited.
    Bravo should air UNCUT footage of Virgin Islands trip for us to see the true way KK acted the whole time
    Though i think it will be quite quite uncomfortable for anyone viewing….. I just think that way she can’t hide behind excuses.

    • char212 says:

      First and foremost I think they should show the unedited footage to Kelly’s ex so he can use it in court to get custody of his daughters. In a way I don’t want to see it and then again I do.

  158. HD says:

    Wow…it took some work to read through this blog. I like the idea of a message board but this is your party Lynn and I am a guest. Do you!

    I totally agree with you about the blog…there is NOTHING to write about for the New Jersey housewives. I didn’t even watch it last night. Soooooooooooooo boring. Teresa has a baby. Yippee. So do hundreds of women every day. All the so call drama with Danielle…who cares. Boring! There has to be more women in New Jersey.

    Someone posted a very funny link about the NY housewives. HILARIOUS! I can’t wait until Thursday so I can see the look on Jill’s face we she sees she is not wanted!

  159. otaypanky says:

    def groundhog. also some jumping around of comments.

  160. anutha hata says:

    Digger-are you ok? Your post is in suspended animation.
    My Twitter name is volcanoash btw, but I’m hardly ever on it since I’m like Alexis when it comes to Twitter. Seriously Lynn, I would love to see your Tweets to Alexis trying to explain how it works.
    About the nasty Ashley Tweets–I’m wondering if it had anything to do with Christine’s acne problem? No I’m not going to make fun of her since it happens, but I really felt bad for her last night ’cause the make-up/cover-up job looked awful. Or was it teen-age trash-talk?
    If its that bad that Lynn doesn’t want to tell us, I really don’t want to know.
    I sure don’t want to take sides in a teen-age Twitter war, but let’s not forget what, (adult) Danielle posted in her Bravo blog about Ashley last week. (which I won’t repeat either).

    • The Digger says:

      Yeah, I’m okay 🙂 Weird thing is that I wasn’t here at 4:30 to post anything….

      • iceNfire says:

        Digger are you saying you didnt write the “anutha hata – this above was not meant for you to be snarky.” comment?

        • The Digger says:

          Oh, YES I wrote that comment at 1:30 pst, I guess time stamp says 4:30 est.
          On my screen my comment is posted and shows as a reply under anutha hata’s 12:01 comment as a reply. The comment sits under anutha hata’s comment in the middle of the page (right where it should be.) I’mstilltoni has a comment below mine telling anutha hata consider yourself linked baby. Do you see imstilltoni’s post below mine?

  161. chismosa says:

    why is Digger’s 4:30pm comment the last one on here always? so funny

    • The Digger says:

      I was not here at 4:30…. this is getting a bit bizarre. The cat does not post comments while I am out and he doesn’t watch the show anymore. My cat cannot stand the sound of Jill Zarin’s voice. He flattens his ears and runs out of the room whenever she comes on.

  162. desertgal66 says:

    @anutha hata – When I read that Ashley had made a nasty tweet about Christine, I thought of the nasty comments that Danielle had made in her Bravo blog last week about Ashley, too. I figured Ashley was hurt by those and striking back at Danielle. Granted, she shouldn’t have been nasty about Christine to strike back-two wrongs don’t make a right-but she’s eighteen.

    I feel bad for Christine, but I also felt bad for Ashley when Danielle made those comments. I think Ashley is a spoiled little madam, but Danielle is (supposedly) the adult in the situation, and she shouldn’t have talked about an eighteen year old girl that way. For that matter, Bravo shouldn’t have let her-those comments should have been edited out.

    Granted, I’m not Jewish, but I’ve never heard of “satchels of gold” offered as an anti-Semitic remark. I think the Facebook game explanation is far more likely. I mean, we are talking about Kelly here. A Facebook game catchphrase seems more her speed than an obscure Jewish reference.

    • GreatExpectations says:

      But Kelly’s far to busy being fabulous to play Facebook games, right?

  163. iceNfire says:

    can anyone see me?

  164. HD says:

    Maybe I am just not seeing it but is the forum gone from Bravo? I thought the link used to be up top. Can someone direct me?

  165. iceNfire says:

    I give……can’t play this scrolling game, on the other hand maybe if I stayed on one site my mind wouldn’t be scrolling.lol

    • Just a Commoner says:

      I just read dark sonnet’s big long post about the store reviews at least four times. I mean, i read it once and scrolled past it three other times.


  166. boston02127 says:

    Is something wrong with the site? Is anyone here? It’s 10:38 PM east coast

  167. boston02127 says:

    Danielle’s tweet:
    At my book signing The Naked truth Columbus circle NYC time Warner building – Boarders Come see me

    She must not be too busy at her “signing”. Awwwww.

  168. cc in Miami says:


  169. shantygal says:

    Sorry if this has been posted, I’m catching up again, but here’s the link to Shill’s book sales on Amazon. Hahaha. You can see different results in the drop down options at the top of the chart.

    • shantygal says:

      If I’m reading the chart correctly, she’s sold a total of 365 books so far in the U.S., 392 including the U.K. & Canada. Those numbers couldn’t be in (000)’s could they? Nope, I’m going with the 365. LMFAO.

      • Fabulous Earth says:

        it looks like in the 000’s according to the chart

        …that would have been funny if it was only hundreds though, lol!

        • shantygal says:

          Fab, the number on the chart are the ranking. You can change the chart to number of book sales with the drop down menu at top of chart. Sales #’s are in listed in hundreds.

        • DarkSonnet says:

          I believe that is the total sold through the 3 Amazon sites. And I believe it is indeed a grand total of 392. Or maybe not so grand… ;o)

          • chismosa says:

            i used to work in publishing; that is by FAR awful awful numbers. Just fyi to you all.

      • couchon says:

        Then as I count on my fingers and toes-
        the You Need to Leave Jill! petition has more signatures that Jill has book sales.

  170. 212 says:

    “HD says:
    May 25, 2010 at 9:09 pm
    Maybe I am just not seeing it but is the forum gone from Bravo? I thought the link used to be up top. Can someone direct me?”

    Still there:

  171. LynnNChicago says:

    I’m here! I just got off the phone with….SIMON VAN KEMPEN! WOOHOO Talk about surreal! Finalizing the Chicago trip details, I’m so excited.

    I told him I had a million questions for him and Alex but he told me no Spoiler Alerts LOL I never give up 🙂 Alex was preparing for her big day tomorrow (reunion taping) They are both exhausted and they are bringing the boys with them to Chicago and have added a 2nd book signing for early afternoon on Sat.

    Alex was in the background confirming travel dates/times and where they are going to be staying! Coolest phone call ever!!!

    • Anitabee says:

      So jealous!

      Alex has really grown on me this season. But how did she and Simon meet? I’ve heard some strange tales from the Bravo Boards. Does anyone know? I could have sworn that in Season One Alex said they met through a matchmaker.

      • chismosa says:

        i remember in season 2 them saying that they met essentially online, looking for nothing serious, if you get what that means, but turns out they fell in love instantly. sweet, kind of.
        i love them, esp after seeing them in person. i saw them getting out of their car, etc. So nice.
        Alex looked great, much better than she sometimes comes across on-screen.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Will you please ask them if they think Jill is getting a fair edit this season? I would be curious how they respond.

  172. wolverinedg says:

    Finally, a place to come & chisme till I drop about RHONY. I haven’t been to TWOP in a couple of years; joined to post in their (then) great Amazing Race forums, made one post & wouldn’t you know, violated a rule, got a some sort of double-warning & told I would be *banned* if I did it again OR violated any of their other rules. OMG, shoot me now!!!! Anyway, glad to be here where no one really cares so long as you play nice with the other kids.

    Kelly is nuts. I thought it was weird that she lives in the same building as her ex, but maybe that’s because he’s the one with custody & she lives in the same building so she can see her kids everyday (supervised, I hope). Glad they made her go home, though, but not sure I want to see the really scary footage. At least we all now know (thanks to Sonja) how to deal with someone having a complete breakdown/psychotic episode in front of us.

    Didn’t like B until this year, when I saw how Jill was treating her. Sorry, but you don’t treat anyone like that, especially someone you call a friend. While not a complete B fan, I can see why she wouldn’t call Bobby directly. Duh Jill, he’s married to you, she’s your friend, she shouldn’t call him directly unless you tell her it’s okay. Surprised (not) that Countless didn’t instruct her BFFN on that point of etiquette.

    Countless as an expert on the British monarchy? Really? LOL–stop hanging around with Kelly, Countless, the stupid is contagious!

    Liking Alex & Simon a LOT more this season, even re-thinking how I thought about them in previous seasons, now that we know they were always together because they had to do their filming on weekends. And like Alex, I find Jill & Luann more than hypocritical for blasting Alex over nude photos done way before RHONY while they’re all sunshine & ponies to Kelly for shooting nude photos during a RHONY season (as presented on the show; we now know those pics are from years ago).

    Can’t wait for Thursday! See y’all on Twitter.

    • chismosa says:

      omg just wanted to shout out to you since you used ‘chisme’- that is what i like to do, hence my name!
      love love

      ** btw, Amazing Race is the best show ever on tv. Love it to pieces.

      • wolverinedg says:

        lol! hi back! yeah, I wanted to be Chismosa, but I saw you already had the name. Drat. Anyway, thanks to Lynn who has a great place where we can all share the cheese!

  173. LynnNChicago says:

    I may have an explaination for the crazy post times. Every now and then I have to approve a comment to be posted, either it comes up as spam (like a one line that is just a link) OR it has more than 3 links within the post.

    I’m assuming the system is time/date stamping the approval time rather than the actual time that the post was posted. Does that make sense?

  174. otaypanky says:

    Lynn…thanks for sharing the news about your call. You must find out what really happened in the Virgin Islands…puleeeeese. Also, see what you can find out about what’s going on with Jill i.e. does she know how hated she is?????

  175. otaypanky says:

    Oh and somethings up with the blog. Comments seem to be posting in a helter skelter fashion.

  176. shantygal says:

    Cool Lynn. Repeating Otay.. you MUST get the low down on the VI trip. You’re practiacally besties with Alex & Simon. Wine, wine & more wine. A girl’s gotta do what a girl’s gotta do. We’re counting on you.

  177. otaypanky says:

    Oh, and find out if jill received any greeting cards

  178. LynnNChicago says:

    The VI trip and Kelly questions will flow with the drinks … LOL Hopefully Alex will give me a little something.

    One thing that was interesting, Simon asked me if Jill or Darren (Jill’s Man Friday) have attempted to contact me… neither of them have, but I found it interesting that Simon asked me that…what do you all think of that question?

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Well, that is most interesting, isn’t it? Do you think she will attempt to become your new BFF forever, or will she be her usual nasty self?

      Hmmmm. With her lack of self awareness, it could be anything.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      They’re probably expecting Jill to be angry when she finds out about your blog. You should have a contingency plan so people know where to find you in case she gets you shut down. It’s not likely, but it’s possible.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      That could stem from Jill hiding her identity and harassing reviewers and commenters on Amazon and on her facebook? Maybe they’re wondering if Jill has tried to go after you, but she’s not the type to confront directly, is she?

      • anutha hata says:

        OK-now I like the reply thingy!
        (but I hate it when it makes my browser jump around)
        Lynn-that one is a little ??? Are you thinking that he knows something you don’t know?
        Like he’s asking if she’s contacted you YET?
        How odd it must be to hear their voice on your own phone.
        Their book has been pretty well-received, I’m wondering if they’ve thought about writing another one.
        I also wonder, (alot), about the Bravo “gag”(non-disclosure)-clause, and if it expires after 10 years or what?

    • chismosa says:

      Lynn, i went to a A&S book signing this past weekend. I started wondering to myself- what if Jill had sent in some spy to sit in here and listen to them speak?
      And when i mentioned that i love your blog- (I just said “Lynn’s blog” and that i signed the ‘petition’ 1000x)- Simon said he had just spoken to Lynn and that they love Lynn.
      After they finished the initial reading, and q&a, they signed some books and some stragglers stayed after and asked some more probing questions. I of course wanted to scream out “Go to Lynn’s blog you idiots and then you will see the light!!!” but i didn’t.
      But I have to say, i was quite surprised at how into it S &A got into re: Kelly and a bit of Jill. I thought at first they would not, but then they did. By then i was there 2 hrs and had to bolt, it was just too much & my friend was getting bored.
      So, i would suggest to others out there, if Simon & Alex are coming to a store near you, you should go see them and hear them talk because they do!

      (But i was not far from a Jill-area so i still wonder if someone was there tape-recording…..)

      • Anitabee says:


        Por favor — spill the beans! What did Silex say about Jill and Kelly?

        • chismosa says:

          no she did not say anything about Jill; she was so polite and really very neutral and like, positive? I can’t think of the words i mean- but she was being nice about it all. Like, saying that the footage shown from the Virgin Islands trip and how that was 1/10th of what really went down, etc.
          She was so nice about it all. Truthfully i couldnt hear them that well, by that time they stopped being miked up, so it was hard.
          But overall, she definitely alluded to ‘she’ who will not be named, without saying JILL.

          very classy people, Alex & Simon

    • Anitabee says:

      I betcha it probably has something to do with the reunion. Jill will probably say something like ….

      she tried to reach out to you and you turned out to be Susan Saunders who is running around the internet setting her up to look bad.
      LynnNChicago is the one who told her Bethenny had a boy and set off Babygate.
      she needs you to give her twitter lessons as Jennifer Gilbert has recommended you
      she really is coming to Chicago and wants to command you to set up her book signing, reception dinner, and tar & feathering.
      Jill and Kelly got together and want to send you impersonal monogrammed Zarin Fabric giftbag filled with lemons, gummi berries, hallucinogenic jelly beans, and satchels of gold.

      Whatever she wants you know it’s going to be unbelievable. Please let us know!

      I Hate Jill Zarin.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Anitabee – LMAO !!!

        I know Alex & Simon have to be really careful about what they say, not only could Jill have someone there listening, but Bravo reps or reporters could be lurking. Silex cant risk breeching their contract.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      “One thing that was interesting, Simon asked me if Jill or Darren (Jill’s Man Friday) have attempted to contact me… neither of them have, but I found it interesting that Simon asked me that…what do you all think of that question?”

      They are probably going to threaten you with legal action (lol) or try and prove to you that Jillousy has changed. Either way we know two things.
      1. they are very aware of you. Congrats.
      2. They don’t have a snowball in hell chance of doing either. Dolts.

  179. mia says:

    A friend who is a publisher told me this….

    Did you know you only have to sell about 8-10,000 books a week to get a ny times best seller? The publishing industry is doing that badly. Honestly there is no excuse why many of these women couldn’t make the top 15. When youre “famous” it should be really easy to make those numbers in the first, second, or third week of the books release. Its funny that only two of them have.

  180. A former Jill fan says:

    The Digger says: May 25, 2010 at 9:01 pm The cat does not post comments while I am out and he doesn’t watch the show anymore. My cat cannot stand the sound of Jill Zarin’s voice. He flattens his ears and runs out of the room whenever she comes on.


    Astute cat!


    (snarky meow!)

  181. otaypanky says:

    hmmmm. Has Jill tried to contact you? Interesting question. Why would she contact you except to ask that you shut down this blog. What else could she do? She may want to try to give you her side, sell you it’s the editing. Give you tidbits we don’t see that she thinks will sway you. Well, you can always ask Simon when you see him.

  182. lillybee says:

    I think that the time stamp is revelent to one’s time zone. One of TWoP rules that I currently hate is having to read the last 15 pages. I wanted to post on the Lost finale but the posting was so intense I couldn’t keep up.

    • anutha hata says:

      I couldn’t even keep up with the series while it was on, but Death by 1000 papercuts (DB1K) has a few articles on the ending that looked interesting.
      I thought that TWOP was joking about that rule? Please tell me they don’t enforce it?

      • wolverinedg says:

        You wouldn’t believe the number of incredibly stupid rules they have AND enforce. Not enough time in my life to deal with that, so it was pretty easy to say “buh bye” to TWOP.

  183. lillybee says:

    Lol, It was pinned to the top of every page. BTW I hate twop.

    • shantygal says:

      Maybe we should start an “I Hate TWOP” blog. LOL I’ve lost count of how many posters I’ve “met” on other sites that have been banned from that place, or left out of sheer frustration. The right thinking kind of people always seem to find each other and end up where they need to be, here.

  184. iceNfire says:

    Lynn – So happy for you! please take lots of pictures and I’ll take down our practice site so you can post them there.

  185. MannysGrammy says:

    I found a few comments Bravo left on the (ladies?) blogs
    I’m so sick of you with the Danielle crap! If you hate her so much stop bringing her name up and discussing her. If you happen to be at a place she is present, you don;t have to speak to her but don;t pick a fight with her either. You would be so liked by me, but your obsession with Danielle is really nerve-wrecking. And it seems you don’t like her because of Caroline, don’t know. Other than that, I think you are a great mother, cute girls, but please if you all would stop discussing her maybe it wouldn’t look like you guys are the problem. If I were Danielle I would have bodyguards too.

    You are starting to sound like Jill Zarin…..All you girls just peddle your junk. Did you pre-plan the hat scene with your new daughter? I bet you did! All of it is pre-planned with the housewives that have ulterior motives! Whatever they are selling is the focal point for them…all the way down to using a baby to do so.

    Than some of Carolines~
    I’m not sure I like you. You seem so angry and bitter. Let it go. Move on with your life and stop talking about Danielle. She’s crazy, and by talking about her — you give her a bigger platform to display her crazy. Also, not sure how I felt about the Scores scene and the half-naked car wash scene. Somewhat inappropriate…even for me, as a guy. Took the show to a lower level, I thought. Bringing in business at the expense of teenage girls’ innocence (and sexualizing them blatantly)….not cool. You shouldn’t have openly supported your son’s actions.

    i think its sad that you dwell on Danielle’s instability as much as you do when all you should be doing is ignoring it. how can you say that Kim D’s boyfriend was “very clear” in his thoughts about Danielle when he was DRUNK!! there is no difference between a strip club and strip joint. they are both the same, where women degrade themselves for money. while i don’t judge how people live their lives, i cant say that i would be proud if one of my sons went into that business. i am college education and i have embedded into them that they match what i have in terms of education. i feel that you are in your chidren’s business more than a parent should be. they are not babies, they are of age where they should be living on their own and leading their own lives. it seems that other than that you have nothing else to do with your time. i dislike the way you speak to Jacqueline, with that “i told you so” attitude. get a life of your own. you have a wonderful husband, focus on him.

    Caroline, you have to get over yourself and stop dictating who Dina and Jacqueline can and can not be friends with. I have been watching the show for the past two seasons and from what I have been seeing is that you are a bully and I believe that right now it is you who is starting all the drama. WHY bring that book and put it on the table in front of Danielle’s kids? You made sure that you found it and dug up old dirt on Danielle. I am sure that everyone has skeletons in their closets and that includes you. If you were in Danielle’s shoes how would you feel when you are sitting at a dinner table with children around and someone brings up stuff from your past that you are not proud of and didn’t want aired out in public. I also read that book and I don’t blame Danielle for changing her name and just trying to change her life around. You, Dina, and Teresa really stirred up a lot of garbage and you put Danielle and Jacqueline in the middle. That is not fair!!! Give Danielle a REAL chance to redeem herself!! She didn’t do anything to you personally but you are being vindictive, mean spirited, venomous, and spiteful to her. I am sure that Danielle was extremely embarrassed in front of her kids and you would be too if you had to put the shoe on the other foot….

    err..did i miss something. First thing – Danielle was asked to attend a charity event as she seems to be friends with the uncle of the sick child. Based on past arguments you have shared, it came across to me, that Danielle wants no drama at the event, and has accordingly asked a ‘stong man’ to accompany her to ensure no BS and catcalling occurs. Your initial reaction to her attending has totally supported her action in taking this extreme measure. It is not always about YOU – it is a fundraiser. Your blog gives me the impression that you will be vindicated next week – i think it may be a case of you and others saying unsavoury things and pushing Danielle into a corner…guess what most people come out fighting. I expect to be disappointed next week…the focus of a beautiful fundraiser will be tarnised by 2 woman who cannot put aside their differences for a few hrs. As owner of where the event is being held, the onus is on you to have been the ‘bigger person’ and sucked it up. Yes, it would have been more appropriate for Danielle to have given you a heads up that she is attending – but then again why should she. Would you have reacted any differently, or maybe you would have requested that she not attend – which it would not have been your place to have done. I like you, but on this one, i think you are creating the drama – but i have a feeling when everything unfurls people will forget that and remember how Danielle and co handle themselves at the event.

    Well, i just had to post a few i was surprised hadn’t disappeared!
    I’m sorry, but tell me you other women aren’t thinking the same thing as me when Teresa is having the baby, the way she sounded…can you imagine during sex, Juicy Joe & her….lmao, NM!
    If you took her head of hair & put it on a pic of an ape with makeup, the ape would still be prettier…..ok, i think my intense hate for Jill & the distaste in my mouth over Kelly is getting the best of me.

    On an off subject kind of….have any of you ever seen pics of Gilles Bensimon?? I just looked for the 1st time today….although i’ve heard his name a lot, I never knew his age/looks! OMG, he looks older/worse than my 94 yr old grandma!! I saw a pic of Kelly & him from a few yrs back, very mismatched looking pair, wow! I don’t know Kellys age? but he was born in 44 & kelly is his 3rd wife!~has 1 daughter with 1st wife also.

    oh, 1 more thing i wanted to ask everyone!
    When Jill & Lulu were having lunch, & Lulu stated “it was her daughters 15th bday so she wasn’t going to go on Ramonas vacation”
    Jill than quickly stated” it doesn’t matter if its her 15th bday, thats just an excuse”
    Lulu said nothing!~did she totally miss that remark???

    • 212 says:

      Identical expressionless, non-reaction she gave when overhearing Ramona’s slut remarks and Jilly’s e-invite slam.

      • char212 says:

        The one thing I thought of when Romona made the slut remarks about Lu cheating on her husband was that Lu never denied it. All she said was “I can’t believe she brought up my marriage.”

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      Regarding the “it’s just an excuse ” remark that Jillousy made. I don’t think the remark was unnoticed by LuMann. Did you catch the look on her face…..priceless. I think Jillousy’s chickens are coming home to roost.

      • sbh says:

        Well, for Jill to say ‘any excuse will do’, one must ask, whose excuse was better? The choice is between your child’s birthday–or college applications you knew where due a while ago–and let’s face it, you probably had someone write it up for her anyway. Did you see the video on real housewives site where Jill and Ally go to some ‘Ivystraight’? or something to help with school interviews. Jill would NOT SHUT UP! and Ally couldn’t answer a question without looking to Jill first. Bad way to walk into college, unable to form a coherent thought without prompts and approval from Mommy. The whole thing stank.

  186. Adgirl says:

    Countess on the Larry King commenting on Fergie’s payola scandal. She said it wouldn’t have happened if Fergie had a better (larger) settlement.
    Ha! Hear that Count Alex?? (hint! hint!)

    p.s. OT alert. So glad someone, or two, brought up The Amazing Race. That show rules. Great taste folks. I found out Phil was in OC while I lived there and in San Francisco (where I live now) twice for filming and I didn’t know so I couldn’t stalk him!
    Smart guy, that Phil.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      I heard that Americans are blowing that all out of proportion, and that there are people in the UK who actually do what she did for a living.

    • desertgal66 says:

      Fergie’s settlement was proportionate to the length of time she was married to Prince Andrew-six years before they legally separated. The thing is, by the time the divorce was finalized, Fergie had run up personal debts of 3.5 million *and we’re talking some really insane spending here), using the Queen as collateral, and she got pissed when the Queen refused to bail her out, so she started bleating about how “unfair” her settlement was. It wasn’t, and she rather overlooked the fact that she had nothing when she married Prince Andrew, and that being a former member of the Royal Family brought her some seriously lucrative opportunities. The kicker is that Fergie worked enough of those lucrative projects to pay off all her debts – and then turned around and got herself back into debt again.

      Influence peddling is as common in the UK as it is in the USA – but there’s absolutely no chance Prince Andrew was willingly involved in Fergie’s scam. That just isn’t the way the guy rolls.

      Ms. DeLesseps has no clue what she is talking about.

      • Smompy says:

        desertgal, just out of curiosity, why does the idea Andrew’s being (very peripherally) involved seem so out of the question for you? I like Prince Andrew and wouldn’t have thought of accusing him of anything when I first heard this story. Then I heard that he’d allegedly advised Fergie on how much to ask for, I didn’t automatically accept the veracity of that info, but at the same time it didn’t strike me as being so far out of the realm of possibility either. I know those two are still very close, and he does apparently advise her a lot, on all sorts of things. So I though, hmmm, maybe he did give his opinion of what to ask for IF she insisted on doing it? I dunno. What is it about Andrew than makes you think this is totally unthinkable? It sounds like you probably know a whole lot more about the guy than I do.

        I should prolly add that although I kinda like both Andrew and Fergie as individuals (and I’ve always felt sorry for Charles), I think the existence/use of royal or noble titles in this day and age is just ridiculous. This has nothing to do with my question though. It’s swelterinmg here, and just I started thinking about how much I hate the idea of people still using such titles – and I guess I got overheated:)

  187. A former Jill fan says:

    MannysGrammyy, i think Luann just overlooked the remark. There have been a few times that jill made a snarky remark and Luann didn’t speak up for herself. jill just has to spit out that venom and belittle others. It’s a part of her nature.

  188. anniieee says:

    good morning everyone..let’s hope i don’t get all confused today… but that is easy to do. Can’t wait to read your thoughts today about this stuff. Have a great day everyone.

  189. TLM says:

    Who is on RealFans.com? I started to sign up, until they got to the part that it’s $25/year to join. There is no way on earth I would pay just to chat about RH!! Who is making money off that site? Are they affiliated with Bravo? It uses the Bravo banner & photos, but no mention of Bravo seems to be on there. I guess it’s another stream of income for the Bravo-lebrities they get to do live chats on there? I guess I will have to miss out on the magic. 😉

  190. Quincy IL says:

    I wondered why Luann lets Jill get away with the numerous snide remarks also. Kelly has the look of a deer in the headlights when Luann and Jill makes those comments too. After Jill let’s us have a chunk of her mind, the camera pans to Kelly for the face.
    In fact, the look Kelly gets is like the post breakdown “good thoughts for everyone” look. I wondered why Kelly was so quick to respond to Ramona, but not to Jill or Luann when their comments “virginal white” or “Counting,” is just as mean.

    “9 by Design” has one more episode. I hope they show more next year.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      I’m so bummed that 9 by Design is already over! I wanted a much longer season. I hope they bring it back. I’m going to miss Five and Hollie and Major.

      • chismosa says:

        this week’s Life & Style OR Star, i forget which, has a picture of Luanne in her ‘kitchen’ – um, it’s her Hamptons kitchen, so i guess girlfriend didn’t get her ny apt yet- ?? (it is showing some stars in their kitchen)
        and it shows the Novogratz’s in their kitchen, the kids are all so much bigger than on the show, the baby is like 1 1/2 or something now! I love the show and hope they d0 come back. I love the parents and seeing how they do it all.

    • sbh says:

      Yeah, I noticed that when Kelly said how the women were constantly harping on her about the way she dressed, her hat, her hair, etc…From what I’ve seen, the only ones harping on all that is Jill and Luann. Why did she say Bethenny, Alex, Ramona, and Sonja were the ones doing it? Oh right, cartwheels and la la land…

  191. boston02127 says:

    Good morning everyone.

    @ TML ~ I wondered the same thing about the charge for that site. I didn’t join either.

  192. boston02127 says:

    Is dirty Danielle serious?

    Danielle’s tweet 10 minutes ago:

    Second day book tour The Naked Truth – by Danielle Staub Put up as NYtimes best seller – and 2010 most anticipated book – thank you

    • desertgal66 says:

      “Put up” as a NY Times bestseller simply means that the book was sent to the NY Times for review…it’s a routine practice. Publishing houses send thousands of books to the NY Times for review every year.

      Doesn’t mean that the book will even come close to making the bestseller list, and there’s nothing on the current NY Times books page that mentions Staub’s book: http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/

      “Put up as a NY Times Bestseller” and “2010 Most Anticipated Book” – both standard marketing hype. Anything to sell a few more copies.

  193. myname2use4now says:

    I think that Luanne’s non-reaction to certain things that are said is her way of reacting without getting into a tussle with the offender. A silent pause after a remark gives the offender a chance to rethink their remark and clarify it. At least that’s how I’ve seen it work! I think Luanne is more subtle than the others and it’s probably the only thing I like about her (other than her wardrobe and jewelry, and I also think she’s really pretty). Like when she was talking to Jill re.: just showing up at Ramona’s party, she basically very gently was trying to remind Jill that she should at the very least CALL before just showing up, but of course, Jill being Jill, she figures the most attention getting thing she can do is to show up unannounced and they’ll love her for it. Can’t stand that woman!

  194. otaypanky says:

    How about when Ramona invited Jill on the cruise and Jill spits out “Is there anyone you didn’t invite?”…nasty, nasty Jill. I hate Jill Zarin

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      That really irked me. Her first thought is “who can I exclude?” It’s vile behavior.

      • chismosa says:

        i agree, Ramona goes OUT OF HER WAY to take mean Jill and Sonja- not even bringing Bethenny, so showing that Jill & Sonja meant the most to her- to the Four Seasons no less!- and asks them specifically to attend this vacation- a FREE vacation for her… like GIVING THEM something (though i think it has been proven now that Bravo pays for all the vacation stuff)- and Jill’s first question – not even saying thank you- is who is NOT coming.
        What a Bit**. i cant take her anymore. God i pray that petition is doing something….

  195. boston02127 says:

    Last night I couldn’t sleep and NY was on again. I didn’t notice this the first time I saw this episode.

    LuMan and Rico Suave were on a date at that little dark dirty looking bar:

    Luman—what are you doing this week end?

    Rico—–I think I’m going to the Hamptons to play some ball.

    Luman—-(really quick to answer) I CAN PLAY BALL WITH YOU!

    Rico~~~~You mean tennis don’t you?

    Flirty Laughter~~~~very uncomfortable for the viewer!

    Luman ~~~~Well I have a court at my house (of course) why don’t you come and we can do play together this weekend. (totally flirting~~~not really applying to tennis)

    She invited that creepy blonde guy to her house in the Hamptons for the weekend.
    Wasn’t that their first date?

  196. Quincy IL says:

    Lynn’s blog and the threads that follow have enough information for my needs. I stopped looking at the Bravo blog comments long ago. The message board starts out with people sitting there waiting for the show and it’s hard to find any real information by just hitting one page of one thousand pages.

    Like Goldilocks (who may have had satchels of gold under those beds,) this place is just right for me.

    Lynn, if you tweet Alex and Simon, I always look for Simon’s review of the episode first, but he seems to be so busy that he has not taken the time to write them recently. I miss his analysis so much. He is always “spot on” and unafraid to be critical.

    I don’t understand the web sites well enough to do a blog like Lynn and some of her friends on twitter, but I would love to write them. I may do my version and just put them in Lynn’s thread for the fun of it. I have a rye sense of humor and the women in farmland USA don’t get me, but I think the women here have a similar sense of humor.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Quincy – anytime you want to write, let me know or just email it to me and I am happy to include it in my next blog. I still intend to blog about twice a week – even after RHONY is over…that goes for anyone who wants to write a blog about anything. Always happy to include it in my blog! Love reading everyone else’s point of view as well!

  197. Quincy IL says:

    OOOOppps, “wry” sense of humore…Homonym alert.

    I wasn’t thinking just then. LOL

  198. boston02127 says:

    On Jill’s tweeter, she’s saying to look at her new picture on facebook and she’s bragging it has not been touched up yet: What do you think?

  199. LynnNChicago says:


    Anyone on Twitter should know this. Most of you know the NJ Housewives are threatening to block anyone who follows Maxine.

  200. boston02127 says:

    About the above post about Jill’s facebook picture. The link didnt come out.
    Click on that link, on the face book page at the top of the page type in Jill Zarin, it’s a black and white picture.

  201. vilzvet says:

    Yikes, Danielle’s Bravo blog is no-holds-barred, as usual. Here are some nuggets:
    To Teresa after giving birth to another of Joe’s spawn: “What some women will put up with to continue shopping. And I’M the Prositution Whore”?
    To Caroline for bashing strippers: “You are someone who no one would look at on a stage or off”…also chided her for only caring about presenting the check at the fundraiser…

    • otaypanky says:

      Her’s was the only blog I read. Just couldn’t see putting myself thru another snooze fest reading what the others had to say. Borrrrinnggg

    • Jillousyness says:

      I know! meow. She didn’t have a manicure before she wrote that – she had her claws sharpened! She doesn’t mince words.

  202. Jenni says:

    @Quincy- Rye or wry, I like them both! Go for it!

  203. otaypanky says:

    So can’t wait for tomorrow night. Hope Jill gets a major smackdown. Can’t stand that broad.

    • vilzvet says:

      Yay, we can now say it’s tomorrow night! Lovin’ hump day!

      • otaypanky says:

        I think we have to suffer through Jill Zarin on Ice wearing a performance costume of all things. What non professional does that? She truly does need a hobby. She has the time to come up with this crap and try on skate costumes. Can’t stand her.

  204. Viki55 says:

    This was funny and someone added another verse in the comments that fits perfectly!

  205. otaypanky says:

    looks like i have a dangling reply again from viki55.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      “looks like i have a dangling reply again from viki55.”

      Is that anything like a dangling participle? LOL

      Yup that clinches it. I have lost my mind. I have papers to do. Getting up right now and walking away from the computer. Later on folks.

  206. Hooked On Housewives says:

    Good morning Lynn. Good morning everyone.

    It’s time to get down and dirty. (I wanna be like Jill). Has anyone found out the reason why Jill and her sister Lisa didn’t speak for years? Seems as though folks who write a “do as we say” book should have been able to work out their differences and at least be on speaking terms. Guess Gloria, the rulemaker couldn’t enforce the rules with her own two ear mites.

    Additionally, even though the internet has been bleached, somewhere there should be information about Jillousy’s first husband. Although it might be a safe bet that he took the gas pipe just to get away from her.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Jillousy, plain and simple. A life time commitment. Look at Lisa’s accomplishments and feature Jill living in that shadow. And I think Gloria was on the sidelines pointing out the differences.

      In the earlier series, Jill frequently referred to herself as the “bad girl”. ??

  207. TLM says:

    A Chef vs. A Cook

    I looked this up on Wikipedia:

    A kitchen chef is a person who cooks professionally. In a professional kitchen setting, the term is used only for the one person in charge of everyone else in the kitchen — the “executive chef.” … The English-language use of the word chef has become a term that is sometimes used to mean any professional cook, regardless of rank.

    …”Chef de cuisine”, “executive chef” and “head chef”
    This person is in charge of all things related to the kitchen which usually includes menu creation; management, scheduling and payroll of entire kitchen staff; ordering; and plating design. …Head chef is often used to designate someone with the same duties as an executive chef, but there is usually someone in charge of them, possibly making the larger executive decisions such as direction of menu, final authority in staff management decisions, etc. This is often the case for chefs with several restaurants.

    … Specialized and hierarchal chef titles are usually found only in fine-dining, upscale restaurants; kitchen-staff members at casual restaurants such as diners are more often called “cook” or “short-order cook”.[1]

    So if Bethenny cooked at peoples’ homes and she was in charge of the menu, and she wasn’t working in a casual restaurant or diner, it looks like she is indeed a chef and not a cook. Apparently the title of “chef” does not even require graduation from a culinary school, but rather is given because of your position in the kitchen. Many of the Top Chef contestants have said they were self-taught, however, they are all addressed equally as “chef” on the show for this reason. Maybe Kelly should start watching Top Chef, or talk to Padma Lakshmi about it …good God, can you imagine a conversation between those two. I’d slash my wrists if I had to listen.

    In case anyone cares, Alain Ducasse, whom KKB mentioned during this conversation, is a classically trained French chef is his 50s, who runs a restaurant in Monaco and a few in Paris. But he also is opening a new cooking school that is open to anyone in Paris, and he has a new book out on — guess what — natural foods! Which is what Bethenny does.

    • desertgal66 says:

      Somebody should point out to Kelly that Julia Child also never worked as an executive chef in a restaurant (or in a restaurant at all, for that matter), but she was most certainly a chef.

      Course, I’m assuming that Kelly would know who Julia Child was,..she probably thinks she was just a character played by Meryl Streep…

      • chismosa says:

        Bethenny and Padma don’t get along. I hear that Padma is a real a$$hole.

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        If Kelly didn’t get the reference to Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, I doubt she’d know who Meryl Streep is, LOL! She’s such a dingbat. Did you see the look on Bethenny’s face when she started yelling “Al Sharpton?” She almost sh** herself! I never saw such terror and amusement in a person at the same time.

      • sbh says:

        honey, she probably think Julia Child is Meryl Streep. If Kelly can have multiple personalities going, why can’t anyone else? Kelly probably thinks: poor Meryl’s so busy, when not cooking gourmet meals, she’s off bullying everyone in the fashion industry–well, when she isn’t busy singing at her daughter’s wedding that is…

  208. little rock says:

    lynn, i’m a few hours late to the party,but i wanted to offer an opinion re. simon’s question about whether jill had called you: luanne and jill are talking and jill says “you know, bobby and i have been invited to chicago by people who still like me, and since i’m going to be there anyway i thought i’d drop by and visit lynn. you know, that bitch who has that site “i hate jill zarin”? Then luanne says “oh darling, i don’t know if that’s such a good idea, you know alex and simon will be there?” jill replies “no, it’ll be fine. i’ll go with gift in hand, hat in hand and we’ll talk. Just two bitches on the beach” then luanne says ” you’re just going to show up? why don’t you call first? and besides, what gift could you possibly give her that would make the slightest difference in how she feels about you”? jill says “i’ll give her an autographed copy of my book.” luanne laughs “forget the beach my love, she’ll drown your ass in lake michigan. the last thing you’ll ever see will be simon in that speedo helping to hold your big fat red head under water.” then jill says “michigan? i’m going to illinois,you dumb drag queen. I know! i’ll take kelly with me. now that’s the gift that keeps on giving”

    • LynnNChicago says:

      OMG LittleRock ROFLMAO! perfect!!!!

    • Squirrels says:

      Precious – absolutely precious!!!

    • DarkSonnet says:

      OMG That was fantastic! ROTFL!

    • A former Jill fan says:

      LOL! It’s sort of scary that Jill seems to have the same kind of reality problems that Kelly does. Jill lives in her own reality and it IS all about her. She’s touched, out-of-touch, whatever!

      • ridicurhony says:

        here’s some good insight into Jill’s behavior:


        scroll down to chapter 1. Have to say I’ve enjoyed reading all your comments thus far – I was going crazy trying to verify different things, make sense of Kelly, and searching the internet for what really happened with these lunatics on scarey island for the past several days when I happened upon Lynn’s blogs.

        Hilarious and embarrassing to have gotten sucked into this show this BAD. lol. Even my husband cannot stop watching this train wreck – he got sucked in too! I first commented as wisconsingirl, now i’m registered as ridicurhony. I’m a fan of Lynn’s for LIFE! unless she tells me ‘we are DONE!’

      • ridicurhony says:

        not that I’m a fan of Danielle, but Larke’s comments about the blogs – well that’s why I decided two weeks ago not to watch rhonj. I did glance at their blogs after this week’s show, but did not really read all of Jaqueline’s. I looked at the first page, said oh no she’s going off about Danielle for the whole blog again, then flipped to the last page of her blog and yep, sure enough she’s still talking about Danielle. The lady doth protest too much. Some of these wives need to realize we as the viewer audience think it says more about them to continue to bash Danielle than it does about Danielle. It does NOT endear you to people/viewers to continually bitch about someone. This show is all negativity.

        As for Kelly, I think other people say things and make references that she does not ‘get’ but she makes something up in her head about what these references mean and then uses the phrase herself in a convoluted twice removed out of context kind of way. For instance, the Al Sharpton thing, I did a search online about that and there he was in the news with his picture and a headline that read ‘you can’t handle the truth,’ in reference to some political thing going on at the moment. Kelly thinks she is understanding the reference Bethenny makes (and is acting rather proud when she’s saying Al Sharpton, Al Sharpton! like she’s figured out a jeopardy answer) to ‘you can’t handle the truth’, but is referencing someone QUOTING the original line out of the movie said by Jack N. Ur doin it wrong. I believe the same thing about ‘satchels of gold’. She heard it somewhere, there’s no tellin in what context it was used, what the person meant when they said it to her or what meaning Kelly assigned it. Makes sense to HER, but no one else. I bet none of us could ever GUESS what that means to her. Same thing with her taking what her dau. said to her ‘you work hard for us’ and making it into ‘I’m hard on you?’ UGH! Synapses’ are not firing or something there.

        People are right on when they say Jill and Kelly live in separate realities. They do and no amount of explaining will help them understand anything if they continue to live there outside of reality.
        Just random thoughts – looking forward to Lynn’s blog after tomorrow night.

        • Morgaine Swann says:

          Satchels of gold refers to the FaceBook game Mouse Hunt. It’s one of the types of “loot” you can win. She probably plays the game on line, and doesn’t realize it’s obscure to people who don’t use FaceBook regularly.

          Being mentally ill, especially if she is paranoid schizophrenic as I believe, is like being trapped in your own mind. The information her brain takes in is corrupt, and then she can’t process normally it even if it’s right. She thinks she’s smart and has integrity because somebody told her so, but nobody apparently told her that saying that about yourself makes you look like an a**hole. She definitely doesn’t have a clear view of “out there” vs. “in here.” She doesn’t have the understanding of abstract concepts it would take to understand that “my reality” is not the same as “your reality” and she has a very poor level of cultural literacy.

    • sbh says:

      best blog ever. you have made my day.

  209. Olivia says:

    I don’t claim to know what Kelly’s problem is for sure, but her non stop babbling on Twitter leads me to think that it has become an obsession with her. The coverage of her “meltdown” has traveled far and wide throughout the internet and has earned her the publicity she seems to crave but most of it is negative.

    She sounds like that spoiled child who is determined to have the last word regardless of the consequences and nothing will shut her up. Most of the commentators conclude that she is seriously in need of help which is not something I would choose to read about myself day after day. Had she chose to take the high road and just left it that she was “embarrassed” instead of being “harrassed” she may have garnered more sympathy.

    As it is, most posts are filled with criticism of her behavior as she continues to spew more nonsense in rebuttal.

    I personally think she is “loving” this attention rather than feeling any sense of shame for her conduct.

    • Squirrels says:

      This woman is such the epitome of contradiction, I don’t know what to think half the time. It’s impossible to follow her conversations , never mind her logic. Could she be loving this? Reading her tweets, I’d have to agree. Problem is, she can’t seem to maintain a singular emotional level for more than 15 minutes. Her brain flops around like a trout on the dock, giving “…I’m up here,” new meaning.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Yes, loving the attention and making a major attempt to manipulate her audience.

      What shame? It was everybody else, remember? She is always the “victim”, pure as the driven snow that Kelly. ;o)

      The icing on the cake was when she and Jill were on the local TV show discussing how insidious bullying was. Jill, who wasn’t even present, and Kelly had no qualms about pointing the finger at the other HW concerning the event(s) in the VI. A true WTH moment.

      Kelly accessorizes her every outfit with a unhealthy dose of delusion and issues an invitation to us to share it with her.

      I declined.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      The sane response would be to apologize and be quiet and let the furor die down a bit, but she’s not sane enough to figure that out and no one around her seems to have advised her so. It’s disgusting that Jill is feeding into her delusion. Kelly talks about the women having strategic feelings but has allied herself with the most conniving one of them all.

      Notice that since she started the bullying talk, Bethenny and Alex have both given statements to the press that she was MUCH worse than shown in that episode. They’re not going to let her get away with blaming it on them.

  210. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders says:

    Have you guys seen the pic Kelly Posted of what she’s wearing to the reunion?
    JEAN SHORTS!! She is so Classless. She posted it on twitter.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Really stunning, right? Isn’t it a little concerning that she seems to be using her sexuality in an attempt to divert attention away from her other insecurities/shortcomings?

      Her clothing choices seem to be falling into the “bare minimum” category this season and appear at times to be rather inappropriate for the occasion.

      A walking detour – don’t listen to the nonsense/BS I spew, look at my legs, hear the Hiiiiiiieeeeee and Byyyyyyyyeeeee forgetting anything in between.

    • vdaze says:

      I’ve been lurking for awhile, but I keep meaning to join in to the discussion – there’s just so much to talk about! It looks like Kelly changed in to something a little more err…virginal? non-hobaggish? once she arrived at the reunion. Countless posted this tweet with a link to a photo of the 3 mean girls just prior to taping.

    • TLM says:

      I think she changed for the taping. This was her leaving the reunion. http://twitpic.com/1rcvns

  211. otaypanky says:

    danielle on wendy williams tomorrow

  212. otaypanky says:

    She must show her legs, the rest of her body is wholly unattractive.

  213. LA Woman says:

    as usual lynn you are so to the point and express it so beautifully

  214. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders says:

    I wonder if the husbands will be at the reunion like in the OC reunion.
    Also if the OC had a 2 part reunion NY needs atleast 3. LOL!

  215. iceNfire says:

    Good Morning Everyone –
    re: Bravo’s blog comments I take offense to all of them but Caroline in particular for trying their damnedest to get rid of Danielle. Jill tried that with Silex and look a the position she’s in now. imo Nj would be better off without the “Manzo Click” THAT is the boring part. Just give Danielle a group of ladies that are not all related or in Teresa’s case a wannabe Manzo

    I remember when Fergie gave birth to her daughter and wanted to name her Molly but the Queen didn’t “approve” the name and insisted on naming the baby herself. (Beatrice) That alone would cause me to do anything to get back at “The Bitch of England”

    Why did Simon ask Lynn if Jill had called? Jill wants to thank her for the sympathy cards.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      If I were they, I’d be trying like hell to get rid of Danielle. She’s extremely dangerous, and giving her this platform is like handing a loaded gun to a developmentally disabled child. She’s not able to be “normal” or “harmless.” I agree they need some new blood, but I can’t fault them for trying to get rid of her. Ashley never had much of a chance in life to begin with – now that Danielle saw to it that she has a criminal record, there’s very little hope for the kid.

  216. Squirrels says:

    Hope this NJ uTube amuses …
    On the Phone with RHONJ

  217. dsc60 says:

    guess i’m going to watch The Bachelorette on Mondays instead. (i know, i know – another ridiculous guilty pleasure.) but i’m bummed. i really, REALLY wanted to like RHONJ but i can always watch the shows when Bravo reruns them like a zillion times during the week.

    am dying to know what Ashley twitted but i really respect you Lynn for not including them in your blog. that was a good call on your part.

  218. RileyKitty says:

    My thoughts are going to be with Bethenny, Alex & Ramona today while they have to deal with the 3 C’s today (the Countless-Lulu, the Classless-Jill & the Crazy-Kelly). You just know there will be tons of Lies & back pedalling by Jill & Lulu & nonsensical phrases by Kelly. Hopefully there will be a 5lb bag of gummibears there to shut her up. Andy will have no control as usual.

    • Squirrels says:

      I particularly enjoyed B’s reference to “unstable Mabels” in a recent interview. I’d love to see them include talking head moments during the reunion. Can only imagine what they would say about one another post reunion taping.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      Mine, too, RileyKitty. I see Bethenny, Alex, Ramona and Sonja all having an issue with jill and kelly blaming them for kelly’s “breakdown”. On her facebook page, Alex said she was looking forward to the reunion…says it all doesn’t it?

  219. emt2 says:

    This is great.

    it’s kinda long but it’s a q and a with Bethenney over the summer and she talks about her book and relationship with the the other housewives. It’s strange. She admits that she hadn’t seen Jill all summer because they were both busy but she can’t wait to see her again. She calls Kelly a narcassist just like Danielle. It’s really interesting to see.

    • Just a Commoner says:

      I have only watched the first bit so far but what was that she said about the first Jason boyfriend getting fired for being on the show?? (The balding one from season 1.) She also said he wanted no part of being on the show but that’s no surprise—he always seemed very reluctant to speak at all in the few scenes he was in.

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        He did get fired but he’s suing the firm for 55 million dollars for wrongful termination. He’ll make out like a bandit.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Thanks for that video. She really had no idea her friendship with Jill was in trouble. Her praise of Luann in this video is what I found interesting. I wonder if she immediately saw Luann as the reason she and Jill were fighting and that is why there is such a sharp contrast between this video and this season. I’m not saying Luann didn’t cause conflict, but I wonder if she attributed more of it to Luann before the light bulb went off and she realized that Jill was the real villain in demise of their relationship.

  220. Viki55 says:

    I feel like I am stuck in a time warp. Is anyone else having trouble with post out of order or feezing?

  221. iceNfire says:

    Lynn could you please remove the comment posted May 25 1010 1:08 pm – too many links may be the cause of confusion. It started yesterday and makes the thread nearly impossible to follow. Comments are posted out of order, I even lost myself yesterday.

  222. sayhi2eva says:

    Love reading your blog Lynn! From Twitter it looks like the RHWONY reunion is being filmed today. After seeing the past 2 episodes I hope for the safety of the cast, Andy and the crew, Bravo puts Kelly through a metal detector or at least frisk her for weapons. I’ve heard you should smile at crazy people to relax them. Hope they all give Kelly ear to ear grins. Treat the crazy lady with kid gloves and they should all pull through without any traumatic memories.

  223. Olivia says:

    The difference between Jill and Kelly is that Jill is grounded. She is on a mission and nothing will deter her from achieving that “celebrity” factor no matter what. She is quite capable of living with the outcome because of her narcissim. Jill can also turn on a dime and may very well do so at the reunion by shedding tears and “reaching out” to Bethenny which will pull some of her disaffected fans back into the web. Jill is nothing if not calculating. She will play the sympathy card for all its worth.

    Kelly, on the other hand, does not possess the ability to lay out her case in any coherent fashion. Up until the last few weeks her role in this series has always been rather insignificant. She believes she has now “vindicated” her standing by what she perceives as being “bullied” by castmates who had already established their identities for good or bad.

    Ramona, the wild card. Alex, the balance. Lu Ann, the pretentious. Jill, the vile. Bethenny, the “star”. In her “rainbows and lollipops” fantasy she seems to believe her actions are based on “standing up to the bullies” which in her world gives her the identity she lacked prior to her outbursts.

    She needed a “persona” to remain viable and this is what she chose. Alex, in my opinion, was a “stand in” for those of us who saw Jill’s behavior as egregious. It also put some “meat on the bone” where she was concerned in carving a position for herself that has proven successful.

    Kelly, not so much.

    • sbh says:

      I think Jill will cry and beg to make up, that way (at least she thinks) it will look like Bethenny is the jerk for saying ‘no’. and if Bethenny forgives her, she comes out looking good too. I think this is the ‘redemption’ scene she has been hinting to. IMO, it’s all BS.

  224. Adgirl says:

    God, what a dope I am! How did I miss this old column about RHNY on Daily Beast?

    Hilarious description of KKB before her first episode aired:

    “Consider this: During a phone interview with the New York City housewives’ newcomer, the enviably leggy and majorly full-of-herself Kelly Killoren Bensimon, she explained her reasons for joining the show:
    “To exploit your life is revolting but to explore your life is exciting,” she said. “I wanted the world to see I have a strong moral code. I just wanted to be authentic and genuine.”


    • Squirrels says:

      Hey Adgirl – interesting link. I was most intrigued by –

      ““It’s a female outlet for aggression, with the viewer achieving vicarious pleasure,” reasons Dr. Cirillo. “You can identify with the aggressor or you can identify with the victim. In the happy ending, the victim wins and you can vicariously enjoy her retaliation against the other woman. She gets back at the biggest bitch.””

      Surely can’t deny it.

    • error 404 says:

      this stuck out to me:

      (one exception: the comparatively unpretentious New York natural-foods chef, Bethenny, who, though not a housewife but a divorcée with a spine of steel, said of reality TV, “Either go big, or go home!”)

      Remember Lulu gave Jill this motto on a gaudy gift goblet? Did B use the phrase first and then J co-opted it? Or did B get the phrase back when still J’s bff?

      • sbh says:

        I think it was all B’s, and like everything else in life, Jill decided she wanted it, and took it.

  225. emt2 says:

    I totally agree.

    Kelly really should have been more calculating in her efforts to win over the audience.

    I was rereading her blogs from last season and she actually came across at times as sincere. She admitted that her ex husband is the one who made everything happen for her, that she lost a lot of friends after the divorce, she is insecure (esp. with women), she stays at parties for 10 minutes and has superficial conversations because she is often alone and kinda embarrassed and wants to appear as if she is very social when in fact she isn’t.

    But, she is a true narcassist and can’t remember things. She admitted on a tv interview before this season started that she was removed the next day from the st. john’s trip on her own accord. Actually she was removed by producers because of her craziness.

    I think that Jill and Bethenny would have made up if Louann wasn’t in the picture and then Jill started with all of her mean girl tactics since shooting has ended and that ruined everything. That’s why people don’t like Jill. It’s not because of what she did on the show but her behavior since the show finished taping is atrocious.

    Kelly is so jealous of B. SO jealous that she can’t think straight.

    I think that everyone will come out looking good on the reunion except for Jill and Kelly to be honest. People love Sonja because she is balanced and neutral even though she has loyalties with Romona and Luann. She isn’t going to take Kelly’s side and she shouldn’t take Jill’s side considering how Jill said nasty things about her being a slut even though she had just met her.

    It’s funny to see interviews before the season started with Jill, Kelly and Luann because they all use words like “defected” and “abandoned” when talking about B having her own show.

    I hope they show the footage of Kelly being a crazy person in more detail and admit that she had to removed on orders of the producers.

    • chismosa says:

      i agree completely with you… I hope it gets noted- or maybe we’ll see it on tomorrow’s episode? – that Kelly is REMOVED from the trip.
      Or at least alluded to.

      I pray so hard, i will say 20 rosaries right now- that Jill does not pull some card at the reunion taping to get sympathy from B and/or the audience. Please god please god please let it NOT work. Let her true nature shine through!

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      If I already said this, forgive me – I’ve been commenting a lot of places and I can’t remember what I said where.

      Kelly tried to be calculating and that’s why it’s driving her mad that it didn’t work. She saw the first season and realized Bethenny was the cool single chick and was getting all the attention. She decided she’d breeze onto the show, smack Bethenny down and take her place as the cool kid on the block. She even got herself a pretty pretend boyfriend to show off. Unfortunately, she wasn’t smart enough to realize that Bethenny is smart as hell and won’t take sh** off of anybody. She was going to blow everyone away with how cool and important she was at that charity meeting but Bethenny showed her up for the conceited fool that she was. Then she tried to put Bethenny in her place with that meeting at the bar, but she showed her mean girl side right up front and we all sided with Bethenny. It was down hill from there.

      Kelly’s problem is she’s got a poisonous combination of jealousy and entitlement going on. Not only does she think she’s better than Bethenny, she thinks she DESERVES the things Bethenny is getting. Add that to her instability, lack of empathy and general stupidity and that makes Kelly very dangerous indeed. To top it off, her lack of insight makes her think she’s smarter than she is, so she tries to pull strategic moves that backfire on her. It would be sad if it weren’t so lethal.

    • sbh says:

      ‘defected’ and ‘abandoned’, like they wouldn’t kick their own mother to the curb if it might mean getting their own show.

  226. emt2 says:

    this is great. Ramona vs. Luann season 1 and 2!

  227. Adgirl says:

    Jill got caught up in her living out her perceived “role” as the mother/director/kangaroo-court judge & jury of the show. What a shock to her that the audience and public never thought that was her role.
    Ooopsy! The bigger they are the harder they fall!

    Kelly breezed into the show on an elitist mission. “Here I am world, a confident, connected fashion journalist slumming on reality TV as performance art. I’m too fabulous and busy to be on time or chat with lower life forms.”
    Unfortunately for her, Kelly is too shallow and untalented to pull it off.
    I think somewhere along the line she realized her concept wasn’t working. Probably pretty early on when the audience sided with Bethenny on the Madonna comment. Kelly just imploded. How frustrating for her. And her ego & psyche is too fragile for reality tv. Big, big mistake for her. Kind of sad.

    • RileyKitty says:

      this post is so right on, I couldn’t (& probably wouldn’t) have said it better myself.

    • error 404 says:

      I think people did buy Jill as den mother. When she was nurturing everyone’s favorite “underdog” she was popular. But people want a gentle and wise tv mom. Nobody wants to see mom spank her kids. J thinks B turned on her, and the public slap down created backlash. She may never recover. She’s trying to be mom again, to Lulu and Kiki, but they’re both stuck up bitches, not popular underdogs, and one is a ticking time bomb of crazy. She wasn’t doing too bad as mom to social climber Alex, but again, her severe style of punishment was too old school for tv. Everyone sided with the disobedient kids. She went from mom to mother-in-law: a nosey opinionated gossip we all dread.

      • MAMAZ says:

        I think Sonja is quickly becoming the mom figure. She is kind and nuturing. She is trying to stay above the fray while still having a good time. And it seems as if she doesn’t dislike Kelly just thinks she’s crazy. I think Sonja will be honest at the reunion but doubt if she will choose sides.

        • Morgaine Swann says:

          Sonja has a natural kindness and empathy that Jill will never have.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          You’re probably right, but Sonja would be well within her rights to call Kelly out on lumping Sonja in with all the other ladies and saying that the FOUR of them were ganging up on her and Kelly called them all bullies. Obviously we weren’t there but what we saw, there is no way that Sonja was ganging up on anyone, and Sonja certainly isn’t a bully! I would hope that Sonja would take offense to that.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Exactly – she wasn’t smart enough to realize she’s not smart enough to pull that off.

  228. lillybee says:

    I watched Joy Behar last night. She had the countless on to discuss the Fergie scandal. Lulu tried to plug her song and Joy immediately called her out. I wish Joy could host the reunion show.

  229. RileyKitty says:

    I expect Jill to try to reach out to Bethenny, turn on the fake tears & pull out all the stops. Probably at the strong urgence of the cryptkeeper & her sister. I believe that even though the are showing support of Jill publicly they know & express privately that she is the reason the book hasn’t been successful. (I will be rolling my eyes so much that I will have a migraine for 2 days. Nothing Jill will say or do will endear her to me ever.)

    I hope Bethenny will stand firm, I hope she is able to make some sort of peace but still remain clear that they are in fact done.

    I also firmly believe that Kelly doesn’t know what happened on the trip. She was so out of it that she can’t possibly accurately recall the deatils. The producers went to remove her & she probably agreed so therefore she thinks she left on her own accord. I have never had a breakdown like Kelly’s but one time I got in such a huge, venom spooing (is that a word? LOL), emotionally draining fight with a fellow baseball mom that I couldn’t accurately describe to my husband what had went down. He kept asking & I just kept saying I don’t really know. The only thing I could clearly remember is what started the whole thing. Her kid hit another kid with a bat & thought that was just boys being boys. She really should have been put up for mom of the year.

    • error 404 says:

      I think that B will probably call a truce with J, similar to the one she thought she had with K. They won’t go back to being bff, but they will be civil, and co-exist it the same room instead of J’s nonsense of either bolting if she sees B, or not going because B will be there. Not friends, but cordial. That seems like B to me. The balls in J’s court IMO.

      After all the negative press, I just don’t see how K can remain on the show. She was always the 6th wheel, and viewers almost unanimously hate her.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      I have no doubt that Kelly is convinced that she was being bullied. The problem is nobody around her is telling her otherwise, or they can’t get into her head. Jill whispering in her ear is absolutely the worst thing for a paranoid, especially when her hyperbole is taking on religious tones. That’s a big trigger for a schizophrenic.

  230. Larke says:

    I haven’t read through all the comments yet today, but I can’t understand why nobody is calling out Jacqueline!! I won’t even watch the show because to me the only one with any redeeming qualities is Dina and I just can’t support this show being on air. (Bravo please CAN this franchise.) But, I do read the blogs and Jac really is the worst of all the Jersey wives for me. Trust me, Danielle so has issues, but at the end of the day, doesn’t Jac have better things to do like I don’t know raise a ONE year old!!! Yet, she is on the blogs calling people Dirty D? I mean, seriously. She sounds like a spiteful, immature teenager. Nothing grates my nerves more than grown women acting like mean girls from high school. Don’t they understand what poor role models they are for their own children. Whether it is boys or girls, 5 year olds or 20 year olds, on the playground or in the office, a mob mentality is so dangerous!…and sad, because the entire RHONJ series is sad.

    Is anyone with me? That’s why I hate seeing people bash Danielle on blogs because even though some of it is legit, it just gives the other ‘ladies’ more ammunition.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      No. Jacqueline’s already troubled daughter now has a criminal record because of Danielle. I’d hate the air she breathes.

      • sbh says:

        C’mon, let’s be honest here–Ashley was heading for a criminal record regardless. She may be breaking laws that all kids her age break (underage drinking, driving while under the influence, etc.) but it is still illegal.
        And Ashley can’t play it both ways–either she is an adult or she isn’t–she can’t be all “F U, I’m an adult”, say whatever she wants to say, do whatever she wants to do, and then end up playing the kid card to get out of it. Danielle didn’t plant evidence on her, she made her own choices–impulsive and reckless as they may be. So the real question is, who is Ashley? Who knows, maybe the criminal record will be a wake up call for her, a chance for her to learn that as an adult, actions have severe consequences that Mommy won’t be able to bail you out of simply by talking to the teacher/judge/prosecutor.

    • Jillousyness says:

      Well that helps explain her 19 yr. old daughter’s behavior. Spiteful, immature, kind of bratty…..

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Jacqueline has gotten out of control with her tweets now as well. She actually made a promise to her followers that she would contain her criticism of Danielle to her blog only and would not tweet about Danielle. That lasted a few hours, she posted two tweets saying how despicable and awful Danielle is in next week’s episode. (apparently she just viewed her advance copy)
        I wish someone on NJ would show a little class and stop yapping about each other. Look at Bethenny, she never says anything about her castmates directly. (yes, she did interview about Kelly’s mess last week) but Bethenny is showing class, gaining more fans and gaining respect by NOT talking about the show and the bad behavior of her castmates.

        • Morgaine Swann says:

          JMHO, but when somebody comes after my kid that way, all bets are off. If I were Jacqueline, I’d do everything I could to make her life hell.

  231. Squirrels says:

    I certainly agree with the mob mentality sentiment.

  232. otaypanky says:

    I posted just before the last episode aired that Jac is passive aggressive with her controlling sister in laws. She used her friendship with danielle as a wedge to distinguish herself from the other two women. Also still feel that her daughter is a throw away child. She finally has a baby with a Manzo thereby solidifying her position in the family.
    How many mothers out there would allow an 18 year old teen daughter to move out of the home? I wouldn’t. She wasn’t stealing cars, addicted to drugs etc. She didn’t like curfew and probably acted out just like an 18 year old girl will. When my son was between the ages of 13-17, I thought he had crossed over to the dark side. He outgrew it and is a pleasure as a 20 year old college student.
    Jac’s daughter is not biologically and adult. She is a teenage girl. That’s my two cents.

    • judgek says:

      I think Jac’s older son, C.J. or Chris Jr. , is a Manzo.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Technically, they’re Lauritas – Dina and Caroline married Manzos, but their maiden names would be Laurita.

    • sbh says:

      “throw away child”, what a sad and correct term to use regarding Ashley. I have always felt that way from the first episode of the series, when even Jac mentioned how she is raising her son so much better than she did her daughter. I don’t think Ashley is as spoiled as she is lost and desperate for attention, which of course causes the whole “up yours, I’ll do what I want” attitude. There is no question Jac feels guilty about Ashley–and she should.

  233. Squirrels says:

    Try stopping an 18 yr old girl from doing anything they want. Remember, they know everything by then.

    • otaypanky says:

      Exactly. Jac’s reaction was if you can’t follow the rules. Leave. So she left. Her best is suggesting a life coach for an 18 year old? How about parenting instead.

      • morning says:

        What should she have done instead? Allowed her to stay and not follow the rules? Not what she should have done years ago, that’s history and we don’t know the circumstances.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      I agree that Jac did the right thing. Her daughter is of legal age and if she doesn’t want to follow the rules, she can fend for herself. I’m no longer watching the new NJ shows, but saw where her daughter brought her laundry to do one day and they got in a bit of an argument and Jac told her to leave and take her laundry. That was parenting in my book.

      • chismosa says:

        Jacqueline is an awful parent and i’m sorry no 18 year old no matter what the federal laws state, is in any stage to know what is right for themselves.
        She just doesn’t know how to control her. She better pray her two boys grow up more well-adjusted. She has zero control. I’m sorry but that is how i see it, i know we all see the 18-yr old thing differently.

      • Jillousyness says:

        It would be perhaps be fine if she did fend for herself, like have a job to support herself but she’s living w/her boyfriend and doing nothing. No job, no school. How is she getting by?

  234. Had Enough! says:

    Pretty much like last year:

    BravoAndy: Reunion Lunchbreak after a v intense am w/ the NY Wives. I love these women-they leave NOTHING unspoken. Tears, laughs, and fights.

    Kikilet looking REAL (i.e., before the miracles of professional make-up and filtered lenses):


    I look better 1t 54 than she does at 41. Ramona at 53 looks WAY better than Kikilet at 41.

  235. Adgirl says:

    Riley Kitty – I too have been caught by venom spewing amnesia! Uggh. Luckily my husband is a saint.

  236. RileyKitty says:

    @Squirrels I was thinking the same thing when people were reporting to Jacqueline about Ashley’s tweets. What is Jac supposed to do about it? 18 year old’s know everything & are real quick to throw the “I’m an ADULT” in your face.

    • otaypanky says:

      If Ashley were home where she belongs, you take the phone and cancel her account.

      • Jillousyness says:

        Right! Who is paying for Ashely’s phone and account? All the perks without the rules.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      I’m all for showing an 18+ yo the door if they won’t follow the rules. Parenting doesn’t necessarily end when a child reaches 18, but a parent’s responsibility for that child does. But that’s just my opinion and everybody has different parenting ideas and techniques. What’s right for one person may not be for the other.

      • morning says:

        Not only do parenting techniques differ but so do children, even in the same family. I just know that I live in a glass house so I try not to throw stones at another’s.

  237. Adios Lunatic says:

    Am I the only one that thought it was hysterical when Teresa said if they had another baby that Joe could do it because of “that other man that had one. I saw it on TV.” That was the funniest thing all evening — at least the part I was watching. Most disturbing for me was that cache of weapons — and I live in Texas. Thank goodness he has them in a gun safe!

    • morning says:

      Is she too dumb to understand that that “man” was actually a woman before?

    • error 404 says:

      At first I thought it was the funniest thing I’d heard since Principal Figgins thought vampires were real. Then I remembered that this was reality tv, and not a scripted comedy, and I turned it off in disgust.

      • Adios Lunatic says:

        Another Gleek!!!! I couldn’t believe anyone could be as stupid as Teresa clearly is…………….oh, but wait, we’re forgetting Kelly!

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Teresa talks so much about sex because she understands very little about it. She’s known Joe her whole life – he was in the hospital the day she was born. She has no experience outside of her marriage. That’s why she obsesses about Danielle’s sex life so much. I’ve known other Italian girls just like her. The concept of a transexual is completely beyond Teresa. Sad, but true.

  238. desertgal66 says:

    Just a Commoner says:
    I have only watched the first bit so far but what was that she said about the first Jason boyfriend getting fired for being on the show??

    Jason Colodne (Jason #1) was fired from his job as president of a mutual trust because the company felt that the show was “too public” for a firm that needed to handle their cleints “discreetly”. He subsequently sued the company for $55 million in a wrongful termination suit. No idea if the case has been resolved yet.

    otaypanky says:
    How many mothers out there would allow an 18 year old teen daughter to move out of the home? I wouldn’t.

    Allow? If the child is 18, and hell bent on moving out, no parent can legally stop them.

    • Just a Commoner says:

      Ah, thanks, desertgal! I did not know that about Jason. He seemed like a very nice guy and I felt bad for him having to be on the show at all since he so obviously wasn’t comfortable. I’d have felt the same way.

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        I thought he was a jerk. Bethenny really lucked out that he moved on. Look how much better her life is now than it ever would have been with that dud.

    • morning says:

      Agreed. I wasn’t 18 but I was 20 when I dropped out of college and moved across the country to live with my bf. My parents weren’t happy at all and they sure didn’t “allow” it! I supported myself, went back to college a year later as was the plan all along and the rest of my life has gone exactly as they’d hoped, I think. My parents were very smart and didn’t burn any bridges. I wish the best for Ashley and Jacqueline.

    • error 404 says:

      but I’ve yet to meet, or ever hear of an 18yo with a good home life who’s hell bent on moving out. Life’s tough, and every kid I know who’s hell bent to move ASAP has a hellish home life. All this is excluding those who go to college, thus get to feel freedom and set themselves up for future independence, all the while still living under parental safety net.

      • morning says:

        Sometimes it takes moving out to realize that living by your parents rules aren’t a “hellish home life.”

        • error 404 says:

          probably. I just know that in this day and age there are lots of mixed families, and it pretty much goes either way 50/50 in my experience. Some new couples really take to the step kids, others really see the previous kids as a obvious symbol of a past they’d sooner forget, and the kids suffers for it.

          • morning says:

            Parents that don’t agree on parenting (married to each other or not) and split families and step parents makes it all that much less stable and more difficult for everyone, for sure.

        • Squirrels says:

          agreed morning – these days it’s all about entitlement with kids. They apply their own constitution and over the past 20 yrs have had “you have rights” shoved down their throats (by well meaning experts). But having well meaning, rule abiding parents does not translate to well adjusted kids. Every family is different, beginning with different personalities, from Grandpa on down. Add to the mix, media induced peer pressure and who knows how a young adult will react. I surely don’t. But if I do discover it, I fully intend to bottle it. Can I call it Stepford Juice without getting sued?

          • morning says:

            To clarify my comment, I wasn’t saying anything about entitlement or “these days.” I should have put a smiley face at the end. 🙂

      • shantygal says:

        You’re about to meet one. It’s possible error, I’m living proof. I had loving parents that actually parented us and taught us the value of hard work and being responsible with money. I moved out at 18 and never went back.

    • mia says:

      I get what she means by “allow”, because they must be giving her some money since she isn’t working. Ashley seems misguided and lazy. But I’ve always believed laziness is a sign of something deeper going on. I think everyone wants to be productive, and when people aren’t doing anything, its a sign of depression or something else. I don’t know what is right for her, but IMO she should be cut off financially, and when she ultimately returns home, they should put her in counseling twice a week, once with them and once by herself.

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        Ashley has her own money from being on the show. That’s what she’s living on.

        I’ve never been comfortable with the way Chris interacts with Ashley. It’s just a feeling, but I think she’s better off being on her own if she doesn’t get pregnant and can pull herself together. I know that won’t happen, but it’s her only chance to make something of herself.

        • mia says:

          I hadn’t considered the show was paying her. I’m just wondering what you mean when you say you are uncomfortable with the way Chris interacts with her?

    • ImToula says:

      I never got the impression that there ever was an intimate, emotional bond between Jak and Ashley. Jak missed the opportunity to parent her. Parenting starts before they go to school and continues.

      Ashley’s father had nothing to do with her while she was growing up, her mother married and started a new life with another man.
      Ashley probably felt even more left out when the first baby came along.

      I don’t think Ashley ever had any guidance from Jak. She had rules. That’s different than guidance.

      I keep thinking about Caroline saying, “rule with an iron hand” and to please the Manzo clan that’s what Jak was doing. I guess “iron hands” don’t always work. What If you were in Ashley’s place what would you do? What would you do if you felt like you were on the outside looking in? Wouldn’t you pick up and go? I would!

    • sbh says:

      You can cut off all funds, however. Or, offer things if she will go to school and keep good grades. If she then still says adios, then her working for her own money will mature her.

      • sbh says:

        And she should also offer money (instead of life coach) for a phsycologist of her choosing and another reward for doing volunteer work. Seeing people that are suffering, in an intimate way, really affects the soul. She should have been forced to do it a long time ago.

        Unfortunetly, money is the only thing you can hold over an 18 year old.

  239. RileyKitty says:

    regarding Jac & Ashley- I have a 16 year old son, who just got his driver’s licence. It is a precarious line allowing them the freedom to grow & make their own choices & mistakes & wanting to protect them from the dangers out there. It is a struggle daily as the rest of you parents know.

    Jac seems to have given up on Ashley a long time ago that is why at 18 she still behaves like a spoiled brat. I think that the moment Jac got with Chris Ashley was pushed aside. She couldn’t wait to have Chris’s kids & once she did Ashley was even more on the outside. I think she was overjoyed that Ashley wanted to move out because for the most part Jac was done with her.

    I guess the difference between most of us & Jac is we know parenting doesn’t have a retirement date. It surely isn’t the day your kid turns 18.

  240. boston02127 says:

    I’m tired of reading about poor Ashley. Reading her tweets makes me want to vomit.. I sooooo love my boyfriend. Uggg. She 19, a year older than me and acts as if she’s going to float thru life on her so called wit. Everyone is trying to help her out and keep her happy while she’s busy acting “cool”.
    I live at home with my mother and twin brother. My alcoholic father shows up once a month with little cash and with little help. I finished HS in three and a half years and start college in June. I clean houses/offices all week. Just about every cent I make goes to make the mortgage on this house because my mothers check doesn’t make it. It’ s lousy work but it allows me to make my own schedule so I can take care of my mother.
    My mother suffers from late stages of Progressive Supranuclear Palsy (PSP). PSP attacks your speech, your site, your mobility, your balance. It’s a horrible disease. There is nothing you can do for yourself when having this disease. There is no cure for PSP. It attacks your brain. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. Somewhere in life the tables took a turn and it’s my time to take the best care of my mother that I can. As she did for me.
    All we have seen/read from Ashley is her complaining and whining about her life.
    Time to grow up Ashley. It’s not all about you.

    • yesIwatchthiscrap says:

      wow oston02127, my heart goes out to you. I think there are a lot of girls out there like Ashley, to dumb to know how lucky they are.

      • xenophile says:

        I applaud your dedication to your family. Hope life rewards you with much success.

    • MAMAZ says:

      Boston – There is clearly an enormous difference between you and Ashley. I’m sorry your mother is unwell. She must be a terrific woman to have raised such a mature 18yr old. It’s obvious that you love her very much. You already know how to meet adversity head on and to overcome it. At 18 you are 10X the woman ANY of these h’wives are!

    • A former Jill fan says:

      Amen! There are way too many young people and older ones too that don’t know how truly blessed they are!

    • Kat says:

      Boston, I had thought you older from your posts, you have a great sense of humor. I’m sorry to hear about your mom and wish you both the best. It is hard when you have to take care of a loved one, really the hard part is having to watch them in pain. Good luck and I wish you well in college.

    • mia says:

      You are amazing. If you have this drive and compassion at 18, I can only imagine where you will be in ten years. I’m very sorry about your mother. I’m sure she’s proud of you, and I hope you are proud of yourself as well.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Bless your heart and hers, too! I’m so sorry you’ve had to grow up so fast. I hope life is kinder to you in coming years. Ashley is a lost cause, I’m afraid, but you’re already so far ahead of most people, I know you’ll do well in life.

    • Adios Lunatic says:

      Boston — you are wise well beyond your years. Your mother raised a strong, independent and thoughtful child — I’m sure she is very proud of you.

    • lrd851 says:

      Boston, you are an amazing girl!!! and good things come to good people.. Godbless you!!!!!!
      I actually got teary eyed reading your post..

  241. iceNfire says:

    I’m wondering why, they don’t just show the whole reunion unedited. It’s not like they would be interrupting regularly scheduled shows since most of what Bravo has on air on ANY given day is a rerun. If the cast can sit there and record this mess I can certainly sit here and watch it.
    Yeah, okay I wasn’t really wondering, I’m on my knees praying.

    • ridicurhony says:

      I agree with you! heh – last reunion one of them said they were taping for 7 hours or something. But they could split that up into 2 hour segments. I’m sure Bravo wants a certain amount of control though – some of it may not reflect well on them – or Andy. It will be edited to show the studio in the best light, same as it’s been edited to show one slant or another on any particular housewife. It’s only going to be a snippet of what happened. Bravo probably thinks it keeps viewers more involved that way – keeps us always wanting more detail.

      • chismosa says:

        that is what i think they should have done for the Virgin Isles trip. Show unedited episodes.
        They do sometimes do this sort of thing after the season ends. So you never know.
        7 hours… today’s will likely be 10+!!!
        Poor Bethenny… you know she had 30 hours of labor before the doctors advised a c-section? And she is nursing so you know they will have to stop for her to give her some breaks. God i hope they film Jill’s expressions and remarks… AAARRGGGGHHHHH
        i wonder if Andy will mention IHJZ and Lynn!?!?

  242. LA Woman says:

    posted to caroline:

    caroline i got her book and i read it. i wanted to say there is a way of being CANDID but then the actions prove that she was not HONEST.

    i was scared for her kids to be honest for the people she hangs out with. i will say i am sorry i wasted my money on her book, and i do understand that you really do need protection to live in your neighborhood! LOL….

    i am sorry that you had to go through all that. i am wondering really though who set this whole thing up, i know that a sick child can get peoples attention but did her friends want to start this to get on the show? did someone from behind the scenes of the show set it up, or is this truly danielle pretending not to know?

    FINALLY now i see WHY you were so upset with her. if it has to do with the death threats your sister was recieving who wouldn’t be upset? you are a wonderful mother and sister!

    is it possible to get someone else on the show and just get rid of her? AND FINALLY CAN THE FATHER GET FULL CUSTODY OF HIS KIDS??? maybe after all of this??? looking forward to watching but i am a bit scared!!! God Bless

    • sbh says:

      I’d be concerned to leave Danielle’s kids with their dad–the man has clearly left the children in Danielle’s care for what is obviously sole custody (it should have been joint) and he is refusing to fix up the house where his children live. This is not Gilles Bensimon living down stairs. These girls have abandonment issues written all over them. assuming their dad is the next best step is shaky ground–considering he is a man that Danielle picked out (and we know what kind of douchebags guys she usually goes for.)

  243. Nancyusa says:

    Jill Interview

    I’m not trying to complain, but I didn’t know things that were going on around me. I didn’t know [Bethenny’s] father was sick. Even though Alex said something to me like, ‘Bethenny needs you right now, it’s her father,’ I asked if it was medical, and she didn’t say yes. I should have picked up on the body language.

    I wasn’t prepared, so all I was thinking to myself was, ‘I can’t believe Ramona did this to me.’ So I wasn’t even paying attention to what was coming out of Bethenny’s mouth, and now that I’m hearing it, I feel really bad about the way I reacted. If I had to do it over again, I would. But I can’t take it back. All I can do is say I’m sorry, which I have, and beg forgiveness.

    But because it’s a TV show and there’s production people involved and people setting up behind my back, you start to get paranoid. I was very paranoid, I was out of my mind. Really. I don’t know how else to explain it.

    I hope yes. I don’t know if it’s about motherhood, but I hope her and I can come to a place of peace. I’m not mad at her. I don’t even remember what the fight was about anymore, it’s been so long. You know? Who remembers?


    • Squirrels says:

      “What seems like a long time to you, it all happens within a week. All these little fights with Bethenny and whatever, I just needed a chance to breathe. I didn’t know what was going on. It was drama, toxic. I just couldn’t handle it. They kept pushing Bethenny on me. I just needed to be left alone for a minute, but it didn’t work, and they made me the scapegoat, and here I am. But I’ve got a great book out I think people will love.” Jill Zarin

      If she’s a scapegoat, I hope Bethenny has a natural recipe for Scapegoat dip(shit).
      Jill makes me GAG !!!!!

      • MickeyMouth says:

        I wasn’t 9 months ago that she was blogging that she was an authentic friend and Bethenny wasn’t, per her March 5 blog. In her next blog, March 16th, Bethenny is saying horrible things about Bobby on camera – but somehow the footage is lost (?). She gives herself an out and blames it all on Shutting it Down Jen. By March 19th Bethenny gave a press interview basically saying Jill and I are through (mind you she had already said this on the show) and now Jill says that too because they both have changed. March 25th’s blog has her PSing Bethenny “a lifetime of happiness”. April 16th blog, it’s their first fight and she hopes they will get past it one day (cough). By the next blog we have come full circle and she states again she was the authentic friend. After that she goes blog MIA.

      • sbh says:

        SHE IS HOCKING THAT BOOK AGAIN?!? IS SHE NUTS? Even her, ‘this isn’t me’ is filled with exactly her. Bethenny mentions her books, Silex mentions theirs, but Jill, she shovels it into our every orifice. She is complaining that Bethenny was pushed on her, well aint no one bein pushed like the Bravo viewers by you!

    • A former Jill fan says:

      It’s all excuses with her. She should just say “I was a selfish bitch just thinking about myself all the time. I’ve ruined countless relationships and alienated thousands of fans and done lots of horrible, mean things. I’ve no one to blame but myself and now I have to live with the consequences of my own actions. I apologize to everyone for all the bad things I’ve done (insert list here, including amazongate), and I ask their forgiveness. I’m going to really try and be the better, bigger person from here on and put others first for a change.”

      But it will never happen.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      I’m speechless. She needs to step away from the Kellade. WTH?

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @Nancy USA

      Dear Jill:
      Bullsh*t. Bullsh*t and more Bullsh*t. What’s the matter Jill? Book not selling. What? People are smart enough not to want advice from 3 harpies? What’s going on Jill? You seem to be shilling the book on your own lately. Where are harpy number 1 and number 2? The tide is not turning your way Jill. Time to get out of the ocean and dry off. YOU ARE DISMISSED!

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      She was paranoid and out of her mind? She’s going to try Kelly’s schtick to excuse her bullshit? Vile woman.

    • sbh says:

      Hey Jill,
      Are your legs hurting you, doing all that backpeddling?

    • sbh says:

      “Everyone who’s nasty to me should look in the mirror, because if you have the answer to being perfect in life, to know outcomes in advance, please share. I’d like to know how to do that.”

      I am not even close to perfect, but I do know, in my infinite wisdom dear Jill, that lying, backstabbing, gossiping, threatening and all out smearing the friend who is now the ‘enemy’–what did she do again? ahh yes, I remember, she told you to get a hobby and didn’t read your mind that an e-mail wasn’t enough–or is it that you turned into a jealous monster set out to destroy your former friend, I tend to choose the latter–is not a good plan, and the outcome will not you two being BFF anymore. If you Jill, in your harpy’s act, felt that the friendship was so over that burning your bridges was okay, than Bethenny doesn’t ever have to do anything with you again and you will still, never ever, be a scapegoat. Also, you didn’t hear a word Bethenny said, because all you were thinking about was you and how you feel–okay, yeah, that I can believe.

  244. Eve says:

    Didn’t Ashley’s boyfriend say that he is working at Blockbuster and Ashley is not working? Mommy (or her rich husband to be accurate) paying for car, gas, cellphone and rent I suppose. My guess is that they are paying those things to keep her gone. If you really want her home….don’t finance her lifestyle. And, she would become siginificantly more respectful to boot. I just don’t buy the she’s 18 so what can I do card when there is financial support.

    • iceNfire says:

      My guess is that Ashley is geiing a cut from Bravo. Why else would she go back home if she hates it so much?

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        It might be a condition of the court. Danielle had her arrested and convicted of assault, you know?

        Ashley gets paid for being on the show – she has her own money.

    • iceNfire says:

      My guess is that Ashley is getting a cut from Bravo. Why else would she go back home if she hates it so much?

  245. waraykola says:

    Hey all. Thought I’d share this link with our Kellamity half naked…Top 5 Predictions for RHNYC Reunion


  246. Olivia says:

    After reading Jill’s self serving comments in that link provided by NancyUSA, I can only respond to her in the following words:

    Honey, you did this all by yourself. You actually believed that the prissier you behaved and the victimization you awarded yourself was going to resonate with the viewers as the validation of your supposed Alpha position on that show. It backfired. Big time.

    You went out of your way to paint Bethenny as an ungrateful loser girlfriend and all because the network made her the “break out star” you felt you deserved to be. You were looking for excuses way back before Bobby’s illness in telling her to “leave” an event that she had helped put together on your behalf. But you had to establish a team of allies to support your position and as a result your poison ran rampant throughout the season. This is what your “fans” saw and they retreated in kind.

    But you took your toxic behavior even further by accusing a book reviewer of being an anti Semite because she challenged some of the stupid advice you dished out in that book and made it into a “cause celebre”. Again, the viewers began to get a better picture of who you really are and as a result they let you know it.

    The final straw came when you just had to make a premature announcement about the birth of a baby who may have been having some problems owing to its own premature birth by scrambling to be the first in the know with something that belonged to the parents and you were proven dead wrong in the bargain. You simply are unable to stop yourself from pushing yourself forward and downplaying your behavior because of this need to be recognized as a “star”.

    Jill, you need to retire and cut yourself a huge piece of humble pie. The toxicity that was evidenced by this season of Housewives alone came strictly from you. Your hand was all over this mess and you own it.

  247. otaypanky says:

    Hi Guys. I certainly did not mean to set a paradigm for all parenting and teens. I was speaking specifically of this mother and daughter. I am quite aware that all families struggle to raise their children. It is the hardest job in the world. It is not to be judged. Jac is on tv with her daughter. Therefore, I commented on this ‘specific situation’. Some said, “I would say leave if you don’t follow the rules”, I understand that to a degree. Would you then make their car payments, insurance payments, keep them on the family cell plan? I don’t think so. I think most would let them go for a few days, weeks, until they came running home. Again, this particular daughter was not a drug addict, holding up convenience stores, robbing the neighbors. Why TELL HER TO LEAVE. For me, in this specific instance, I would say if you can’t make curfew, you don’t go out and ground her. Some are speaking of legalities. Very few will take this to court to become emancipated. These are just family arguments with teens.
    The human brain is not fully formed until an adult is 24-25 years of age. The last portion of the brain to form is the decision making portion. An 18 year old is simply not capable of making rational decisions. Again, no judgement. Jac reared this little girl perhaps in a bad marriage and then alone. Life is difficult…for all of us. I did not mean to sound judgemental. But, in this specific instance, she is televising her life and her daughters life. So, I commented. I understand we are a mixed bag of nuts. I never meant to judge anyone.

    • sbh says:

      You raised a very good point. She is 18-19, why did she have a curfew? Hell, it wasn’t like she was keeping it while she was still in highschool. I’m sure that huge house has a guest house, why couldn’t she stay there? If she still needs guidance, than giving her an ultimatum isn’t the best way to get her to work with you. You know, I don’t think that Jac was comfortable about the whole thing, ten bucks this was Caroline’s suggestion. Speaking of Caroline, I am so sick of her saying (concerning Christopher especially) I can’t tell them (her children) what to do and not to do, they are men, and it isn’t my place, blah blah (of course her daughter she bosses around like she is five years old–“No, I’m not buying that for you, we already have skim milk at home, I will not pay for anymore!). I was under the impression boys become men when they are supporting themselves, not living at home and unable to eat a meal without having a food fight in the middle. Also, Christopher’s car washing hussies were all volunteers. If he had to pay all of those girls, would his brilliant idea to increase business have panned out with such a positive financial ending?
      One other thing, I am a little fuzzy on how a strip club (low class) plus a car wash (low class) equal an enterprise that can be called Gentlemanly and upscale? Wouldn’t a rich individual (the type of clients you want) just want to go to the club and have the lap dance while some poor shmuck washes their car? And any local highschool trying to raise money for the football team will do the same thing. To me, it all seems juvenile and phony.

  248. otaypanky says:

    Boston: God Bless You. My God, you are doing an incredible balancing act. So wonderful getting to know you thru this blog. You are funny and witty even given your circumstances.

  249. A former Jill fan says:

    otaypanky, I took no offense to your or anyone else’s words and hope nobody took offense to mine regarding how to parent children. I figured we were just all giving our take on what would be… 🙂

  250. A former Jill fan says:

    Can I just say that i really don’t like nested comments! LOL! I’m getting a headache trying to keep up with the new ones…I may just have to quit going back and read only the ones at the bottom where I’ve left off. 😦 It’s so time consuming too.

    • iceNfire says:

      Anyone notice Jill’s tweet? – Jillzarin

      On way to co host @lxnewyork on live at 5pm . Tune in on NBC! 21 minutes ago via Twittelator

      So she did walk out on reunion! Also she is not due to co host for another 2 weeks.

      • Hooked On Housewives says:


        If the beotch walked out of the reunion she should be terminated. Hey! Maybe she said good riddance and quit. Please someone make me a Fuzzy navel. I want to sit back and savor this.

        I don’t tweet. Could someone, anyone tweet the harpy and ask if the taping is over. Pretty please.

    • morning says:

      I’m guessing that nested comments are what I’m doing right now? If so, I only post this way if I’m responding to someone’s comment that I’m really only directed at that specific person. Otherwise I comment “below.” So I don’t bother to go back up and read unless it’s directed at me. Make sense?

      • A former Jill fan says:

        Oh, yes, i knew that, but it sure makes following the flow of comments difficult.

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        I love the nested comments, but I guess I’m in the minority? I want to comment on a lot of stuff and I don’t think it would work if I posted it all at the end.

  251. I'm just visiting this planet says:

    I just got Bethenny’s book, “Naturally Thin”, from Amazon. Not so much because I wanted it but because I wanted to see what it was like. In the back, where she thanks everyone, she writes “Jill and Bobby Zarin, you have changed my life forever and you are the family I never had”. I thought-how sad. Jill has brought all this because of her childish and petty behavior and her compulsive need to be the center of everything. And for what? If nothing else this has taught me two very valuable lessons: #1-avoid Jill Zarin like the plague (but we already knew that) and, #2-don’t put anything in writing. I guess #3 would have something to do with Kelly but this post is not about her.

  252. JillousyHater says:

    Just wondering what everyone thinks of the following…..I noticed on Jill’s FB that she was coming to my hometown of Brookline, MA, to a very well respected bookstore, the Brookline Booksmith. I decided to e-mail them yesterday.

    I just wanted to give them a heads up on Jill Zarin and how disrespectful she was to fellow authors (giving them 1 star reviews) and how disrespectful she was to us readers and to Alana Chander on Amazon just because she didn’t like her lousy book and called her anti-semitic. I also provided the link to the story on Gawker. I don’t have the e-mail addresses for the other locations, but I was thinking it may not be a bad idea for us to e-mail these other establishments too and let them know what we think of them hosting this disgusting person. After all, these places should be aware of what type of “author” they are inviting into their stores. Who knows? maybe that is why Fred Segal in Calif. had canceled on her? Did we ever find out why they canceled on her and apparently never rescheduled? I’d love to know. If any of these places canceled on Jill as a result of our efforts, that would be so great! Please let me know what you think! Thank you.

    From Jill’s FB page:

    May 9th
    Planet Hollywood 12PM
    Time Square
    New York City

    May 19th Wednesday
    Alene Too
    6006 SW 18th Street
    Boca Raton, FLA

    June 5th 5PM
    Booksmith in Brookline
    Brookline , MA
    (paul@brooklinebooksmith.com )

    Sunday June 6th 3PM
    130 Sessions Street
    Providence, RI

  253. Kat says:

    From Adgirl’s posted link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-02-26/wives-gone-wild/full/
    My favorite parts: “The current formula goes something like this: Trail a geographically specific coterie of attractive-enough extroverts with double X chromosomes and manageable personality disorders. (Read: OCD, histrionic, narcissistic, paranoid, borderline.) ” And this “Reality TV looks for someone who is a drama queen—feisty, forthright, a colorful character—at the same time, without so much pathology that they won’t crack up on the set,”
    Oops Bravo…

    • LA Woman says:

      kat you are so right. when it leaked that bethenny was pregnant, it made me question who exactly is causing some of the more devastating events. even with regards to this blog, who is behind danielle’s friend going to the brownstone? under the guise of a sick child no less? i am sad to say that at some point again it is going to far. thank you so much for posting this

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @ Kat

      Somebody didn’t get the memo. LOL.

  254. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders says:

    Damn OLIVIA that was GREAT!!

  255. A former Jill fan says:

    I’m just visiting this planet, I got Bethenny’s first book too because I’ve always been sort of interested in it and wanted to support her and not Jill. It arrived today but I hadn’t even looked at it yet. That is sad isn’t it? With Jill, apparently you owe her your whole life if she’s ever done anything for you. But then again, Bethenny and Alex are better off without Jill’s kind of toxicity in their lives. Who would want to be around that kind of person. You’d always have to wonder when she’d turn on you! No thanks!

  256. ilovelynn says:

    hi all, being lurking for awhile just enjoying your comments. thanks to whoever posed the link to the photo of the “bubble, bubble, toil and trouble” trio. again with the one-shouldered dress lulu, really? had enough: glad to see you back! WTF is up with “LA woman, is that how people write when they twitter? I can’t understand a f**king thing! no wonder my granddaughters can’t spell worth sh*t! only 29 hours to go!

  257. ilovelynn says:

    ok, sorry LA woman, understood your last post!

  258. iceNfire says:

    LA Woman says:
    May 26, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    yes i am sure you did! i dogged out kelly like the rest of them on the kelly blog…. it is scary. but at some point we have to think of the kids involved. kat atleast you don’t have to post your own blog to take people away from lynn’s blog like apparently someone else feels is necessary to do.

    Was this directed at me? If so, What are you talking about?

  259. Kat says:


  260. iceNfire says:

    So Jill lied again, Big surprise! she is not on LXTV so why tweet that she was?

  261. Hooked On Housewives says:

    @ IceNfire
    Jills tweet: On way to co host @lxnewyork on live at 5pm . Tune in on NBC! 21 minutes ago via Twittelator

    Maybe Jill didn’t walk out on the taping. Maybe they are done for the day. Has there been any twitter action from the rest of the cast? Wow isn’t Jill super important. Busy as a little beaver. Just rushing from one important thing to another.

  262. Had Enough! says:

    Is it possible that Jill didn’t go to the reunion? Unlike the others, she hasn’t mentioned it once on Facebook or Twitter. An hour ago (4:30) she finished a photo shoot, which suggests that she was not at the reunion this afternoon, or at least part of it. She is on that crappy local LXTV again right now and granted, it is at 30 Rock (NBC Universal HQ) so just an elevator ride away from Bravo, but….

    Unless maybe the photo shoot was connected with the reunion…

    Any inside info on this?

    • iceNfire says:

      No but if she didn’t go maybe just maybe SHE DID GET FIRED!

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        Don’t get my hopes up. I’d love to find out that the reunion only includes Bethenny, Alex, Ramona, Sonja, Jennifer and maybe LuAnn. That would be bliss. It would also explain why Jill and Kelly are swapping personalities.

  263. A former Jill fan says:

    In live chat on lxtv, someone asked if jill was on today and the lxtv person said “no”. i deleted most of the posts. Danielle was on today though.

    Guess that was another lie from Jill.

    Hi LX’er’s! Welcome to today’s chat!
    Wednesday May 26, 2010 5:04 lxnewyork

    [Comment From Danielle Danielle: ]
    diet coke makes me bloated!!!!!
    Wednesday May 26, 2010 5:19 Danielle

    [Comment From fmetallo%2525252C nj fmetallo%2525252C nj: ]
    and dont forget about the SEX IN THE CITY netbook- for tomorrow
    Wednesday May 26, 2010 5:31 fmetallo%2525252C nj

    [Comment From Mimi Mimi: ]
    where’s jill zarin? Is she on today?
    Wednesday May 26, 2010 5:31 Mimi

    No Mimi , not today!
    Wednesday May 26, 2010 5:31 lxnewyork

  264. Had Enough! says:

    Guys – I didn’t realize you’d already posted about Jill’s whereabouts. Just so we are clear, LXTV is owned by NBC and it is at 30 Rockefeller Center (30 Rock), so getting there from the Bravo set is at most an elevator ride. Doesn’t mean she walked out.

    But why was she at a photo shoot at approximately 3:30? Did they stop filming the reunion to go to a photo shoot? Or did she just leave early? Or was she never there in the first place?

  265. HD says:

    Hey everyone, I have been thinking…in Bethanny’s blog she mentioned that she called Jill to let her know about Kelly. If Bethanny and Jill are not friends for real, why did she have to call? Why didn’t she get Ramona to call or Sonja?

    What do you guys think about that? Are we being punked here?

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      Sticking my nose in. IMO. Bethenny was reaching out to the only friend Kellamity has among the housewives to let her know the situation. Unfortunately it was Jill. They probably didn’t hold a long conversation. In fact the conversation probably consisted of three words. This bitch crazy.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      My guess would be that she called Jill because she was the only person not there with the money to help Kelly. LuAnn couldn’t afford to fly down and get her, and everyone else was on the island. They probably tried to get Jill to come get her, Jill didn’t want to spoil her surprise, so somebody got stuck flying back to NYC with Kelly. How would you like THAT job? Escorting a mentally ill person in the throes of a breakdown all the way back to NY? I’d be a wreck doing that!

  266. iceNfire says:

    Former J I was there too This woman never ceases to amazing me, this was one lie she had to know she couldn’t get away with

  267. A former Jill fan says:

    HD, I think it was because Bethenny is the bigger, better person and put her personal feelings aside about Jill to try to get Jill to help Kelly. i guess maybe Bethenny thought Jill might listen to her.

    • sbh says:

      I’m sure this has been covered since this post, but Ramona was the one who actually called, but Jill wasn’t taking it seriously, laughing it off, so B got on the phone (or maybe they all got on speaker) to confirm that Kelly was in serious trouble and they wanted Jill to meet Kelly at the airport (back in NY) and take care of her.

      When Jill comes in (Hiiiiiiiyeeeeee Surprissssssee) wearing her flappy hat and bathing mumu, and then goes on to add, so cavalier, that she saw Kelly through a glass window–was like telling each of the women that what they had gone through was nothing, that they were making it up to sound dramatic. What Bethenny had to go through was so hard, talking to Jill, and Jill once again ignored and dissmissed her, as well as the other women. It showed how little friendship meant to Jill (like going on your trip a day late and meeting Kelly at the airport instead of starting your vacay a day early), and who you are fundamentally as a person. Ramona was shocked, Alex panicked, Sonja was surprised, but Bethenny’s reaction was the most telling–she looked utterly disgusted. And I think all the viewers felt the same. I wonder, is there any fans out there saying to Jill that “they should have welcomed her with open arms, why did they have to be so mean?” I don’t mean a fan is saying it would have been the polite thing to do, I mean, is there anyone saying that they should have been HAPPY that Jill was there?
      Also, Jill’s guilt tactics on Ramona–Bobby spent all this money so I could come here first–doesn’t sound right to me. More likely, Bravo paid for the sidetrip, Bobby just paid for the original trip. It seems like something Bravo would do to stir up trouble and it seems like something Jill would lie about.

  268. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders says:

    @Boston , you’re an amazing young lady.

  269. Hooked On Housewives says:

    The board does get confusing sometimes because some folks post an answer via reply and others post an answer at the bottom. My head keeps going up and down. Up and down. Just like when Bawby gets his bj.

  270. Had Enough! says:

    Maybe Jill is dropping in unannounced to LXTV, because she is always so sure that everyone is always thrilled to see her.

  271. HD says:

    @ Hooked on Housewives and A Former Jill Fan, that could be. I was just wondering why Ramona or Sonja didn’t call instead. That was really bothering me.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      If she was asking Jill to come get her, or to pay for her to fly back, it would have to be Bethenny. Jill would tell Ramona or Sonja to pay for it themselves, don’t you think? Jill is supposed to be her buddy, too.

  272. lillybee says:

    Looks like Jill got caught in another lie. Who would have thunk?

  273. A former Jill fan says:

    The only tweet I’ve seen so far is from Luann about an hour ago:

    In the eye of the storm! http://bit.ly/9ttdjf about 1 hour ago via Facebook

  274. A former Jill fan says:

    No, Bethenny just tweeted something:
    @robertverdi u made me feel so glamorous.dying over the karen millen dress,alexander mcqueen shoes and ted rossi cuff!LOVE! half a minute ago via UberTwitter

    Maybe they just got out now? Maybe Jill did walk out?

    Jill’s first tweet was over 2 hours ago:
    On way to co host @lxnewyork on live at 5pm . Tune in on NBC! about 2 hours ago via Twittelator

  275. Hooked On Housewives says:

    I have another tab open and I am looking at Jill’s new Facebook profile photo. Something is different. Is it her mouth, her nose. Something appears to have changed. Then again. It might be that she has her mouth shut for a change.

  276. The Digger says:

    Bethenny is still alive and kicking. Guess she survived the taping, for now. She did a tweet about making Lasagne.
    @bethenny A tip for entertaining – Double the lasagna, not the work. Go to bethenny.com for the recipes. http://ow.ly/1QhOt
    about 3 hours ago via HootSuite

  277. chismosa says:

    i’m sure Robert Verdi, who Bethenny knows, helped maybe style her for the reunion. (but won’t she need easy access to take off her top to nurse?)

    god to be a fly on the wall there….. and i wonder what restaurant/ location they chose!
    it would be the best news in the entire universe if we heard that Jill was axed and/or KK

  278. A former Jill fan says:

    That lxtv employee operating the chat told that Mimi (who asked if Jill was on today) that Jill would not be on today.

    Then Jill posts that new pic after just finishing a photo shoot? Seems fishy.

  279. disproportionate says:

    OK, so wordpress won’t let me have had enough. Now I’m disproportionate. Maybe Jill ZAAAAAAAARIN can explain to me what the word means. After all, she lectured Bethenny about it and then used the word herself on Wendy Williams, so she must know what it means. I’m not really sure, but I think it is an adjective describing Kelly Never-Been-Nobody’s foobs. Can someone help me here?

    Anyway, hello Lynn, Dark Sonnet, Patsy, Smompy, Hooked on — you’ve all been so BUSY lately.

    Lynn -what gives with Gilmore? Did you get it straightened out with him? His comment is still posted…

    • Smompy says:

      Hello & Welcome Had Eno…er disproportionate! The new name will take some getting used to, but I’m so glad to see you posting here. I’ve been looking out for posts by certain people from the old site only it’s gotten harder to keep up now that Lynn’s blog has become such a sensation! I hadn’t even heard of LynnNChicago until several weeks ago, so I know this is a weird thing to say, but I’m feeling very proud of Lynn!!! Or maybe I’m subconsciously trying to hlom onto her popularity. Eh, either way, YAY LYNN!

      Hey, Annie, you here too?

  280. Olivia says:

    Something tells me that something just ain’t right here. What time was this taping to take place? It takes more than one hour to film one hour so if they started at 3pm, and Jill was enroute to wherever she was enroute to, then the taping was rather brief.

    I am mixed up on the Twitters from the castmates as to what time they set off for the show but it appears, at least from reading these comments, that the actual time alloted is less than 2 hours. Could this be accurate?

    They have breaks between segments that allow them to have touchups, bathroom breaks, refreshments, so are we to believe that this taping lasted less than 90 minutes or do I have this wrong? Not that it would be the first time.

    • vdaze says:

      Sonja tweeted that she was leaving to do the reunion shoot “about 8 hours ago” according to Twitter. That would’ve been about 10 – 10.30am. Kelly JUST tweeted that she was leaving the reunion (about 6.20pm). Ramona tweeted at about 1pm or so that they were taking a break for lunch. It sounds like they at least got about 6 hours of footage done, probably a little more.

    • vdaze says:

      Looking at Ramona’s twitter timeline and Alex’s (granted, she’s got a longer travel time from Brooklyn), it sounds like it started at around 9am EST. Maybe Sonja joined a little bit later because she wasn’t there for the entire season? Very curious. It definitely seems that the taping was more than 2 hours.

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        They may have done some individual shots with some people there and some not – some might come earlier, some later, so they could get individual reactions and such. Taping can be very non-linear, especially with such a large group.

  281. A former Jill fan says:


  282. Kat says:

    disproportionate may be your user name but had enough can still be your display name. Account/profile… display name. Account access at top of this page.

  283. HD says:

    A picture of Luann, Kelly and Jill before taping the Reunion

    • chismosa says:

      look at the 12 lbs of extensions on Jill’s head! And nothing can make you look as pretty as the other ladies Jill, NOTHING. you are ugly inside & out, always. Despite ANYTHING you try to say tonight

      ps the place looks lovely where they are going.
      pps again Luanne with the one shoulder. i’m going to vomit.

  284. LynnNChicago says:

    Sorry everyone – crazy day, got a message to check in here, is everything ok? Going to read everything now.

    BTW-Reunion taping started 9am NY time. Seems as if it was over approx 3pm

  285. HD says:

    Look at crazy Kelly’s demon eyes. Also Countless said she is going to be on CNN Show Biz Tonight 5 PM on HLN and on The Joy Behar Show airing 9 PM

  286. HD says:

    Oh….I just looked at the date so she must have been on that stuff yesterday. Sorry.

  287. Olivia says:

    I am not involved with the “Twitters” but if this taping is finished in the amount of time it has been suggested, then very little of the drama could have been discussed.

    1. Walking away from Bethenny at the fashion show.
    2. Playing the voicemail message.
    3. Allowing Lu Ann to listen in on the phone call.
    4. Refusing to allow Bethenny to apologize.
    5. What’s the deal with having to have “notes” in front of you.
    6. Refusing to go to the Virgin Islands.
    7. Kelly’s breakdown.
    8. The cast’s fears about what actually went down that night.
    9. Amazongate.
    10. The birth announcement.
    11. Attacking Ramona about the death notice.
    12. Attacking Alex and refusing to engage.
    13. The “snake” comment.
    14. Coerte.
    15. Max.
    16. The “song” (and the singer).
    17. Walking away from Bethenny as soon as she entered the Bachelor Party.
    18. Walking out, and making fun, of the Brooklyn Fashion Show.
    19. Disparaging Sonja to the man at the Bachelor Party.
    20. Showing up in the VI unexpectedly.

    There are so many other topics I may have left off, but is it possible to cover the most egregious actions in less than 90 minutes? Again, I may have my time wrong but it would seem that these discussions could easily cover hours of discussion.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Maybe they’re going to tape over two days? They’ve done that before, haven’t they?

    • sbh says:

      being nasty at Ramona’s event and Luann’s (coming late, talking, embarrassing them)

  288. Olivia says:

    Okay, Lynn just cleared up the time reference for me. Looks like it went for several hours.

    Thanks, Lynn.

  289. HD says:

    Andy as I am SURE let them off the hook easy on that reunion and as with ALL the reunion shows the women just act like, “that was then, this is now, life goes on, we don’t want to rehash that stuff.” Hawk their products and then go home. It really makes me mad to even think about it because no one holds these women to task on their actions! I already know how this is gonna play out and it frustrates me!

  290. A former Jill fan says:

    Andy tweeted about 25 minutes ago that they just wrapped it up. And he said he needs a cocktail. And Simon has tweeted too.

    I guess from all we know so far, Jill did walk out early.

    • sbh says:

      It would not be surprising to me at all if Jill walked out early. I don’t remember if she did this in previous seasons, but I started to notice (beginning with Bethenny (“I’m Done…there’s nothing to talk about), through the amazongate, that Jill has consistently thrown out these finality statements in order to get the last word and to avoid having to answer for herself. I was reading A LOT of posts on Amazon and consistently the ones supporting Jill, when A. Chandler answered back reasonably and rationally, they would always say a basic you know nothing and ending with “I will not reply anymore, I will say this and then I am leaving the sight since it is obvious you are out to hurt Jill Zarin (for some make believe agenda)”. The whole, “I will not engage–after I take this one last shot at you”–it was so consistent, that even Chandler was like, “Jill is that you?” Jill saying her two cents and then leaving before anyone can pin anything on her, is so typical Jill, so passive aggressive. Apparently, despite her supposed apology, Jill has not changed at all.

  291. vdaze says:

    Andy just tweeted: Wrap Alert: THE. MOST. ANTICIPATED. REUNION. IS. ALSO. THE. MOST. DRAMATIC. IN. HOUSEWIVES. HISTORY. Ps I need a cocktail

    • Adgirl says:

      Damn it Andy! Where are you having cocktails so we can sit at the next table and eavesdrop??

      • vdaze says:

        I know! Wouldn’t that be great? The fact that Simon also tweeted about how dramatic it was speaks volumes – judging by his Bravo blogs, he’s a pretty straight shooter.

  292. A former Jill fan says:

    Here are Andy’s and Simon’s tweets:

    Wrap Alert: THE. MOST. ANTICIPATED. REUNION. IS. ALSO. THE. MOST. DRAMATIC. IN. HOUSEWIVES. HISTORY. Ps I need a cocktail 28 minutes ago via UberTwitter

    and Simon’s tweet:

    Can’t & won’t give spoilers but I can say that @McCordAlex still looks amazing 9 hours later. We’re now off to the American Image Awards. 11 minutes ago via UberTwitter

  293. chismosa says:

    she probably needed to get her extensions adjusted. looks like they weighed her ugly head down. Her eyeliner was probably starting to run also. she needs to keep her evil eyes hidden at all times, that is why she covers them up so much.

    note: she was on the Doctors last week- did anyone catch her? She was beyond awful… she and Patti Stanger. and they noticeably did far less eye makeup on Jill. she was completely pointless on there and added nothing and of course, spoke OVER everyone. The doctors seemed to look at her like ‘why are you here?’

  294. Squirrels says:

    Jill would accept an invitation to an exorcism if she thought she’d get face time.

  295. A former Jill fan says:

    Oops vdaze! LOL!

    Jill’s tweet was over 3 hours ago now, so it was before 3:44 pm est when she apparently left.

    • vdaze says:

      I noticed that too…she is wearing the same dress in her “shoot” as she was in the photo LuAnn posted on her Facebook prior to the start of taping. I wonder if they broke away from taping to get some publicity shots or something? Did she end up being on LXNY at 5pm like she tweeted? I thought someone posted that she wasn’t on…how strange!

      • A former Jill fan says:

        I’m not sure whether she dropped in on them unannounced or not but I saw the live chat at 5 pm and someone asked if Jill was going to be on today and was told no by the lxny tv employee manning the chat. Danielle was on though.

  296. Quincy IL says:

    Lynn, are you going to get any secrets about the reunion from informants?

  297. Squirrels says:

    If Jill stomped out, I hope Andy passed her a wiffle bat and ball as she passed.

  298. Hooked On Housewives says:

    I’m getting this knot in my stomach. If Kellamity was tweeting right after the taping she must be in a sane mood. Evidently someone (tweaked)made sure she was good to go so she wouldn’t f*ck up the show. Too bad. I wanted her to show her real self.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Kellly doesn’t need to be sane to Tweet. She’s been running on empty for two weeks now and Tweeting like mad.

  299. iceNfire says:

    now I get it! took 3 scrolls before it hit me, but it had to be a NJ troll lol

    • iceNfire says:

      Yeah, never mind, I’m just typing out loud. lol

      • Kat says:

        I still don’t get it. Why post but then pick on fellow posters?
        If you feel guilty about partaking in the blog for gods sake just don’t post, maybe skip the reading part too…
        Ice chin up, you must of been the closest to snipe at.

  300. A former Jill fan says:

    That’s ok Hooked! Kelly needed help and if she was coherent during the reunion, then she got some help. We already have seen the evidence though. 😉

  301. lillybee says:

    Does the reunion tape in only one day? Somehow I got the impression that it was a two day shoot but I could be wrong.

  302. Squirrels says:

    I’m not sure I’d take Andy’s tweet and put it in the bank. It’s his job to keep milking this herd. It’s all about the ratings, dahhhlinnng

  303. LynnNChicago says:

    Started to read but had to stop when I got to Boston’s comment. WOW, I have all of you pictured in my head (as I’m sure you all do) and I had Boston pegged as a young mother, maybe two children with a beautiful house in Boston and a loving husband….shows how much I know! I do know that if that is what Boston wants out of life, that is what she will have!!! Sky’s the limit!

    Boston, you are an impressive young lady! I am humbled by you! I’m so sorry to hear about your mom, I just bet she is so proud of you! Thank you for hanging out with us all, I think I speak for everyone when I say we’re so glad to have you here! That you take time out of your day to visit with us and share your insightful, hilarious thoughts is amazing….yes, amazing! Thank you Boston!!!

  304. lrd851 says:

    OMG the tweetmaxine is tweeting about reunion stuff. Is it trustworthy. Thanks Ladies.. im new to the blog. but toally love it and all your responses!!!!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Comeon! TweetMaxine said weeks ago that the reunion has already been taped and that someone got slapped and someone got fired. I wish people would just stop reading her crap! I actually got a tweet today saying, “what do you mean they’re taping the reunion today, Maxine said it was already done”.
      If I could have jumped through my computer screen, I would have shaken this person until their eyes popped out so that they couldn’t read Maxine’s tweets anymore!!!
      I’m begging now, unfollow and don’t read that crazy person’s tweets!!!

  305. Kat says:

    Not trust worthy Ird851

  306. A former Jill fan says:

    Kelly posted this pic on her tweet about 6:12 pm est.

    Kelly being escorted away after the reunion taping.


    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      @ A Former Jill Fan

      Kelly being escorted away after the reunion taping.

      I know I’m like a dog with a bone. But…..Kellamity looks way too happy. Think she stopped in the bathroom and got happy? It’s time for someone to start checking between that girl’s toes. LuMann while you’re down there worshipping Jill could you check between Kellamity’s toes for needle marks.

      • sbh says:

        Look, it could have gone horribly and Kelly just didn’t catch it. If she thinks compliments are insults (“I’m hard on you?”), considers enemies her friends (Jill and Luann), and reverts sentences to make truth into lies (Bethenny says to Kelly that she had nothing to do with a smear campaign against Kelly, Kelly nods her understanding, and then she goes and says to Jill, Luann, and Jen, that Bethenny, “like literally admitted that she did a smear campaign against me”), I’m thinking Kelly’s happiness might mean everything went to shit, but she is happy for the attention.

      • sbh says:

        I think Jill walking out in what was probably a huff because things weren’t going her way (that woman cannot handle any criticism of any kind) is a better barometer than Kelly’s ‘happy face’.

  307. disproportionate says:

    OK, trying to figure out how to reclaim my identity but meanwhile, lrd851, where are you seeing TweetMaxIdiot’s tweets? The cretin has protected his/her tweets. Everything this freak has said in the past has proved to be troll fiction, and consider that this freak is in Irvine, California. Unlikely that anyone at Bravo would be sending info so how would the tweetfreak be getting any info?

  308. HD says:

    I hear you, Chismosa. I wish someone would tell Luann to PLEASE stop wearing one shoulder dresses ALL the time!

  309. Squirrels says:

    tweetmaxine hears voices.

  310. Kat says:

    Had Enough
    Account (top of page)/ profile settings (from drop down menu)/ profile settings again/display name is on that page.

  311. A former Jill fan says:

    I just found the post from boston re her mom. Ditto what everybody has said praising you! You are a very admirable young woman and you have much to be proud of! God bless!

  312. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s tweet: At delicatessen celebrating by drinking a “kellade”
    Apparently she’s proud of being stupid.
    Does anyone ever think they are reading this blog and are trying to play us?
    @ JillousyHater ~~ I can’t believe Jill is coming to Brookline. I’m not sure if I’d like to go and watch or just ignore it. I think I’ll ignore. I liked that you sent them an email.
    @HD~~ I wondered why it was Bethenny called Jill too. Recall button?
    @Hooked~~ That’s the pic I tired to post this morning. It looks like a diffrent person.
    I think it’s funny how she’s claiming it’s not photo shopped. Another lie! LOL~~ she looks diffrent cuz her mouth is shut, good one!
    Also, thank you to all who left kind words regarding my mother. I didn’t mean to sound bitter or whiney. I just can’t stand when people like Ashley (& Jill) are never happy, never content. They have so much to be thankful for and complain about everything and just want more and more.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      I thought Kelly didn’t drink? (sarcasm alert)

      Boston, I would like to echo the sentiments voiced by the other commentators.

      I was truly surprised when you posted your age. You are mature beyond your years.

      Wishing you and your mother the very best in these difficult circumstances. I have been in your position, and it is a rough road. But years down the road, you will be able to look back and have no regrets. And in hindsight, you will realize the tremendous value that you provided to someone who meant so much to you.

      Jumping off the soap box now.

  313. Kat says:

    @Boston ~ Not bitter, not whiney.

  314. Smompy says:

    OMG I just had a breakdown. Wait, a breakthrough I mean. BreakTHROUGH! The cable is out, so I was watching an Austin Powers DVD. OK, I don’t know why I didn’t think of this before, but maybe Kelly is actually a Fembot??? It would explain an awful lot. Out there on a yacht and then on an island, she could have picked up interference from lots of sources; everything from cell phones to the navigation systems of cruise ships in the area. And Kelly WAS using a cell phone just before she went completely BSC at dinner. Bethenny could be right…perhaps Kelly simply short-circuited? Think about it. I wish the other ladies had grabbed the nearest TV remote and tried using the mute button on her.

    Plus, I while catching up with the recaps at tvgasm I got a chuckle that Twunty noticed something I also saw during that scene in Sonja’s bathroom, when she was gettng ready for her soiree. Her towels are mongrammed with “S.T.A.M.” I assumed they were just Sonja’s initials, but Twunty surmised that it probably stood for “Sonja Tits & Ass Morgan,” and I have to admit that does have a nice ring to it:)

    • Just a Commoner says:

      OMG YES!!! Kelly HAS to be a fembot! That would totally explain why her boobs point in two different directions! Wait, no, it would provide at least two explanations for why her boobs point in different directions!

      1. She got a bad boob firearm implant job and/or that scar tissue encapsulation thing occurred which knocked them off kilter.

      2. They were made that way on purpose so that she could hit both Alex and Bethenny simultaneously as they sat across from her on the boat or breakfast table. Or Ramoner. Whatever.

      p.s. her big smart glasses appear to have plano lenses in them (no prescription). Just sayin’. Also, I hope no one hates me if I think they’re actually kind of cute. But I’m only saying that because I am able to completely divorce her appearance in this case from her phoniness.

  315. Squirrels says:

    Re: B calling J. From what I can tell, B has experience with dysfunctional behaviors which may be why she had Kelly’s # long before anyone else (including me). It makes perfect sense she would call J, considering J would least expect a call from her thereby driving home the point that Kelly really was in trouble. I suspect she was hoping J would contact Kelly, try to calm her or convince her it was time to adios. In B’s mind, J may have been the last white hope before demanding the producers force little miss lunatic to go home.

  316. A former Jill fan says:

    Boston, I agree with Kat, not bitter nor whiney–just had enough!

  317. iceNfire says:

    Boston – Being played? Yes. Best to just ignore.

  318. CooCooPuffs says:

    I swear my eyes are crossing there are so many postings on this blog. Reading this is almost as good as the show itself. I know i’m way behind but NJ is a complete snoozefest and i’d rather read Lynn’s recap then actually watch this hot mess of a show. Lynn thank you so much for taking the time to write this blog. I also gave up on posting on the Bravo blogs. I even tried writing something nice to Kelly (nicely suggested she seek professional help) and it still didn’t show. I give up!!!

    • Adios Lunatic says:

      CooCooPuffs — I did the same and nothing made it. I also wrote what I considered a very measured and fair one to the Evil One and it didn’t make it (that one didn’t surprise me).

      Gotta say I would hate to be the person reading and deciding on what to post. Ugh……………

  319. lrd851 says:

    thank you all ladies… and yes i am on twitter right now and I will copy and paste what I see from tweetmaxine:. Just sharing info ladies.. I hope you dont mind.. like i said im new to this and dont really know whats appropriate. bear with me

    “ENTRAPMENT: Bethenny & Jason set-up Jill, from Susan Saunders to Babygate…everything EXPOSED ON REUION, B in TROUBLE
    40 minutes ago via web in reply
    SatchelsOfGold @tweetmaxine So in 1999, B signed up for an Amazon account and used loads of info that ties into Jill? Wish list items for Bobby?
    about 1 hour ago via web in reply to tweetmaxine

    Retweeted by tweetmaxine
    Reply Retweet . @SatchelsOfGold You are forgetting how close Jill & Bethenny were. They lived together for months, shared passwords etc. B= SUSAN SAUNDERS
    about 1 hour ago via web
    Reply . PANIC: Now that it’s revealed that Bethenny IS Susan Saunders….new show thrown into COMPLETE CHAOS. Don’t think B will survive THIS
    about 1 hour ago via web
    Reply . SHOCKER: Bethenny IS SUSAN SAUNDERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! B was the one who wrote the nasty AMAZON letters, IMPERSONATED Jill. IT WAS B
    about 1 hour ago via web ”

    so far thats what i saw. lrd851 .

  320. lillybee says:

    Tweetmaxine is nutz. Just sayin.

  321. A former Jill fan says:

    We all know none of that is true. Don’t even have to try to verify it. Anybody who would believe anything tweetmaxine says is a fool.

  322. Kat says:

    Tweetmaxine is a nut sans tree. She spits in the wind.

  323. A former Jill fan says:

    Lynn, are the trolls still roaming about?

  324. boston02127 says:

    @iceNfire ~ What I meant was, I wonder if the NY wives (Jill, Luman, Kelly)
    would tweet something to make us think something diffrent is going on.

  325. Kat says:

    You don’t have to register to post here, I posted for days just using a fake email addy.
    Registered yesterday.