I Hate Jill Zarin Monday Update June 7, 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin                   Monday Update               June 7, 2010

I think by now we’ve all seen Teresa Giudice’s attack on Bethenny that took place over the weekend, she has since gone back and deleted  all of her tweets regarding Bethenny but plenty of people know that those tweets are never really gone and so many people Re-tweeted them that they are still out there.  What is it with these Jersey girls constantly tweeting insanely then going back and deleting it?  You said it, own it!  It is getting really old! 

Teresa was criticizing Bethenny for being unhealthy because she had gone back to her pre-baby weight so quickly after giving birth she said Bethenny wasn’t “normal” and told her followers that Bethenny was trying to make people feel bad about themselves if they don’t lose weight as fast as Bethenny has done. 

Teresa criticized Bethenny for having a baby nanny.  Funny because that did come up when I was talking with Alex over the weekend, Alex admitted that Bethenny does have a nanny, however, Bethenny is breast feeding so she does still do the majority of the work and is getting up in the middle of the night to feed baby Bryn! 

Personally, I don’t think having a nanny is anything to be ashamed of, if you can afford it, why not?  Any new mother who can get help and get some rest is doing the best thing for their baby.  Teresa keeps claiming she does everything alone without help, however, she had a babysitter there in the scene when she was making sauce in the garage.  It was the “babysitter” who was asked if she was on her period since that is forbidden while making sauce.  What was a babysitter doing there before she even gave birth to her fourth child?  She apparently DOES need help with even three children!  A Nanny and a Babysitter is the same thing! 

Twitter went insane during Teresa’s tirade, many people were defending Bethenny and slamming Teresa, a few were backing Teresa but overall it was clear that most were disappointed in Teresa’s behavior.  Teresa then said she was going to go through and block everyone who used vulgar language (not surprising Teresa said, for Bethenny’s fans)  That is rich!  Teresa is saying Bethenny has a foul mouth? 

Dina actually posted in favor of Bethenny as well:

@DinaManzo I love my girl Teresa but Bethenny never attacked my charity. ??? Where did u get that from mama? I have no prob w her

For a change, Dina hasn’t deleted it. 

The very next morning, the article appeared about Teresa and her Juicy Joe filing bankruptcy.  I have seen the document filed in New Jersey and while I am no expert, it looks real to me.  Several people have said that for a minimal charge, the court papers that were filed are available on the internet.  I don’t know if laws vary from state to state regarding filing a legal action but I do know that they typically are a matter of public record, particularly for a Bankruptcy because you have to allow all creditors to come forward to claim what is owed to them by the person filing.  In this case, Teresa and Joe! 

I do not believe that Teresa knew that this was coming out in the press on Saturday morning, I think that if Teresa knew, she would have laid low on Friday instead of coming out with all the negative tweets about Bethenny. 

I don’t know what is up with all of these women bashing and slamming one another.  I know the history behind Bethenny and Teresa.  During season one of the NJ Housewives, Bethenny was a guest blogger on Bravotv.com and wasn’t exactly complimentary to Teresa to say the least.  Bethenny was being Bethenny as we saw her during season one and season two of RHONY, snarky and at times, mean.  I’m not too blinded by Bethenny to see that.  Teresa definitely had good reason to be upset.  If I recall, however, Jill was also guest blogging and wasn’t really kind to any of the ladies either and we don’t see Teresa attacking Jill.  I can see a lot of change in Bethenny, she is still snarky but she has lost most of the “mean” when it is unprovoked.  Her apology to Luann, befriending Alex and her empathy toward Kelly certainly have shown a change in Bethenny in my opinion

So why is Teresa still angry with Bethenny?  Well it didn’t end with the blogs.  When Teresa came out of the gate guest blogging for The Real Housewives of New York, with a blog titled, “Team Jill” the gloves came off!  Bethenny doesn’t use her Bravotv.com blog to go after Teresa, she does it in the press.  She has answered Teresa’s blogs blow by blow in press interviews.  There is a very distinct difference in the ladies styles.  Teresa’s blogs on Bravo’s site weren’t making any sense, particularly during the first 4 or 5 episodes.  Commenters were asking her if she was watching the same show as everyone else.   Teresa tried so hard to maintain her position on Team Jill until it got to the point where Teresa’s fans were beginning to question Teresa’s sanity and common sense even asking why she hated Bethenny so much.  There was also a lot of talk about Teresa losing out on book sales the same way Jill has done due to her absurd blogging and defending of Jill Zarin. 

Teresa continued to blog, finally admitting that Jill was not being nice…but without really siding with Bethenny altogether.   In another blog on TVWatch.com Teresa tells viewers, “I know you all love Bethenny but you don’t know her”.  Teresa goes on to say that she has been dealing with photographers and interviewers that have also dealt with Bethenny in the past.  Teresa claims that many of these people have told her how difficult Bethenny is to deal with and even calling her a bitch. 

A Quote from Teresa’s Blog:

“Wow, so after I hire security to protect me from Bethenny’s wrath (maybe Danielle’s feathered friend is still available?)”

Don’t worry Teresa, Bethenny doesn’t have mob connections, so while that is your typical mentality, no need to worry about extra security, besides you can’t afford it anyway. 

Some reporters and photographers have come forward to claim that they have no idea what Teresa is talking about and found Bethenny to be perfectly lovely to deal with. 

Bethenny fought back just this week in an article that I read but I cannot find, I hope that one of you will post it here for me, I tried but I can’t remember which site it was on and I’ve searched as long as I am willing to. 

Whether you like Teresa or not, I think she is being ridiculous!  What is she thinking?  One of her older blogs said that it is ok to like Her and like Bethenny, Teresa makes that very hard to do when she is constantly slamming Bethenny. 

Luann mentioned on Watch What Happens Live that all of the housewives should all stick together and support each other and when Alex said something similar on Saturday night, it clicked.  (you know, because I typically don’t listen to Luann)  It is true!  If one woman, in this case Bethenny, has a successful spin-off from RHONY, that opens the door for possibly more spin-offs.  If it fails, most likely there will be no further spin-offs, right?   Every housewife at every city should be praying for Bethenny’s success if they are smart!  Even if they don’t get their very own show, they could certainly have more opportunities with more successful shows on the air. 

Whether Teresa is having money problems or not, I feel she is out of line in attacking Bethenny when it comes to how she is raising her daughter.  Bethenny chooses to have a nanny, she can afford it and is doing what she feels is best for her child.  Teresa also has a babysitter who is shown on national television yet interviews that she has no help and does it alone.  (not to mention her mama who is always lurking in the background ) 

I know we don’t have a whole lot of Jersey fans here, I am looking forward to blogging about the reunion and Bethenny’s show.  I know the reunion show will provide plenty of drama to discuss.  The previews on Bravo’s web site for Bethenny’s show look good, it will be a refreshing change to have a dramady rather than just drama!  (Alex actually described Bethenny’s show as “falling on a banana peel” funny!)

So I just checked on comments on this blog from my previous post and it seems in the short time I’ve taken away to write a new blog, the comments have gotten ugly.

Why does everyone have to judge one another?  Question what others do?  As someone mentioned, these Bravolebrities have decided to create accounts on Facebook and Twitter. 

When people are invited to comment, they will.  Do you really think that Jill was expecting only positive comments?  Maybe, she seems to think she has made amends with the finale of the show so she could have been hoping for a lot of people saying they’re BACK to being her fans….who knows what she was expecting.  I have viewed Jill’s web site and her Facebook and Twitter accounts, I can say with confidence that THOUSANDS of people have posted negative comments.   It is the equivalent of posting it on the Bravo blogs that never get posted.  It is why many people post here, because of the frustration with not being heard on other sites like TWOP and Bravotv.com. 

I don’t get the arguments, I don’t get the judging, I don’t get why people can’t just skip past posts that don’t appeal to them.  You don’t have to read and answer every single post.  If it doesn’t interest you, move on to the next one. 

So many people post great links and interesting article blurbs that I really enjoy.  Finally, I’m sick to death of people threatening to leave my sight FOREVER, what the hell?  Let’s not get over dramatic!  All I am doing is trying to provide a place for all of us to chat, laugh, share and vent!  No one is being forced to visit my blog, I have tried not to offend anyone but if I have, I sincerely apologize but I am NOT going to beg anyone to stay!   I know one person who is thrilled to have created all of this drama!  I never would have believed it!


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460 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Monday Update June 7, 2010

  1. CG says:

    I think that all of the Housewives sort of have it against Bethenny because, from the outset, she was the most famous one of any on the show- since she had been on the Apprentice, and had already launched her career as a celebrity chef. So, she probably does have the most security, the best contracts, the longest riders on her appearance agreements- and shouldn’t she? I work in the theatre. No one gets mad when the best / most established actors get paid more, get particular agreements in their contracts- they earned it and if you could negotiate it, you would too.

    And dang, if you’re writing a book, editing one, and just launched a workout series- you better have a nanny!

    xxoo and shameless plug for my t-shirts raising awareness about Cystic Fibrosis, Organ Donation, and also my transplant fund: http://cysticgal.blogspot.com 🙂


  2. clevelandgirl says:

    Lynn, who cares is people leave your site forever? 5 more will take their place. As you said…you write what appeals to you, and this is YOUR blog! Stay true to yourself, and laugh at the haters! xoxo Lu Anne

  3. Had Enough! says:

    Reset button, anyone?

    • straitdiva says:

      OMG That’s hysterical. Can’t wait until Thursday.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      What a great find! Did you find this on You-tube Had Enough? Whoever puts these together is genius!

      • clevelandgirl says:

        Lynn, this artist has a bunch of great skits on youtube. The funniest is the Patty Stanger “Millionaire Matchmaker” one! Hilarious!
        There is a really funny one for the Housewives of NJ also!

    • dee says:

      Stoopid Kelly linked this on her twitter account. In the words of Bugs Bunny, “what a maroon” that girl is!

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        Andy Cohen posted a link to it on Twitter, too. I’ll bet Kelly didn’t watch it before she posted the link.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      ROTFL! – Great find Had Enough! Now that is funny!

    • Sue says:

      Oh my ….that is fantastic. I love the breakout of “Money Can’t Buy You Class”.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      ROFLMAO. Excellent. I think they should have put the Hannibal Lector mask on Kellamity too. My goodness, it is Al Sharpton. Speak of the devil and up he jumps. hahaha

    • amy17 says:

      Ha LOL

    • Cyn says:

      OMG!!! The Hannibal Lecter mask!!!!!!! LMAO

      This is hysterical!

  4. anniieee says:

    Yippeee… Couldn’t have said it better… especially the part about sticking together. We all found this site–for a common purpose..why are we attacking each other? I enjoy all the comments–looking at the links…etc. Watch out for woodenspoons…it tried to put a virus on my computer. I enjoy you all… now lets go get some gumberries and look for that rainbow. And by Gawd, —–IF SOMEONE HANDS YOU LEMONS–THROW THEM BACK AND DEMAND CHOCOLATE!

  5. straitdiva says:

    Thank you Lynn for your blogs. I look forward to your opinions and thoughts, because they say exactly what I’m thinking. I am so mad that my opinions are NEVER posted on the Bravotv website ever. What’s up with that anyway? Looking forward to your thoughts after the reunion show. Keep up the super work.

  6. Kotagirl says:

    Don’t sweat the small minds. Blogs and twitter posts are great entertainment. And if people are taking them too seriously they are the ones with the problem and not you.

  7. jane says:

    This is my thing ,ppl in a glass house dont throw stone . Knowing all the skeleton in her closet , and having all these unpaid utility, credit cards and morgage , why is she running her mouth like her shit doesont stink ? based on what gawwsip from pathetic photographer who is not gone back it up ? she needs to grow up,better yet she needs to grow down in to whatever hole she come out of. why is she bad mouthing Sonja ? other than she owns what she has ,and not being broke, what did she do to her ? really ?

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Great point Jane, Teresa came out of the gate attacking Sonja and she had never met her so Teresa’s claim that WE (the public) don’t know Bethenny doesn’t really hold water does it? Teresa slams people whether she knows them or not!

    • CarrieCinKY says:

      Good point, @jane! I saw that as well, why would she attack sonja? Makes no sense…

  8. otaypanky says:

    Thank u rusty for inviting me back…who the hell are you?

  9. shantygal says:

    Right on sistafriend. Gumberries stick to my teeth. I’ll have Pinot instead.

  10. Chandra says:

    Wasn’t this weekend CRAZY? At one point, I just started sitting back and watching the train wreck happen in front of me. I am trying to catch up because yesterday I went to a BBQ and missed everything that happened after 4 p.m. PDT. With all of the crazy going down, that is like 7 years in Twitter time… LOL!
    Will you be posting your photos from the Alex and Simon event?

  11. c_mack_Omaha says:

    Leave the drama to the Housewives!

  12. Jessie says:

    Hi guys. Don’t think these two have been posted yet. From Reality Tea bout Teresa and B and Perez regarding Jill’s threats…. I hate that Perez is on Team Jill. He says basically straight out that Bethenny has a hand in it. Knowing what Bethenny said about him and that we all know Jill is his “friend” I hope people take his dumb ass with a grain of salt.

    But in the Reality Tea article I just love the Teresa bashing!



    • Shadowsnomore says:

      Perez is scum. He bashes both Bethenny and Jill and still can’t get the story right! He’s worse than Ginger’s poo on the bottom of my shoe!

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Does anybody understand this comment in that link?

      “Then, you wouldn’t have to name drop another housewife from the installment that is still on Bravo, acting like you are friends and secretly suggesting others to watch her show. “

    • error 404 says:

      I don’t think Perez in on any team but Team Perez.

      I think his “jokes” that B was behind the threats are just that.

      I also don’t see it as pro-Jill, he seemed to be making fun of her too to me. That’s why Jill is stupid and B is smart. B knows better than to use a self-serving gossip who’s loyalty blows with the wind. Jill probably knew better too, but when she gets mad, all reason and common sense flies out the window.

      Believe me, I doubt any of her 4 media consultants advised her to storm out of the reunion in self-pity tears. She’s a panicer.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Not to defend the termite, but I think he was being sarcastic by naming Bethenny. He was making fun of the way Jill, and maybe Kelly, too, blame B. for everything. I think the whole thing was a slam at Jill. The rats know when to desert a sinking ship and the SS JillZarin is taking on water fast.

    • CarrieCinKY says:

      I can’t stand Perez Hilton… IMO, total douchebag!

  13. Shadowsnomore says:

    Lynn, you are the best!

  14. error 404 says:

    I’m pretty sure that Slade and what’sherface form RHoOC had a spinoff show, so B’s not the first.

    I also know think Bravo is an umbrella and all the HW shows are individually produced. Fostering competition between your different department sis an ld time sales tactic. By asking the HWs to blog on each others shows, Bravo is promoting the competition, not one big friendly sisterhood.

    In fact, I’d venture the theory that the entire HWs concept is anti-feminist. Bravo doesn’t want sisters sticking together. They want bitchy sorority girl cat fights.

    and IMO, the proof is in the pudding of clearly insane Kiki Bensimon being asked back for season 3 after her crazy attacks on Bethenny in season 2 got tongues a waggin.

    • error 404 says:

      LIGHTBULB! Jo. It was called “Dating Jo” or some such nonsense where her ex, Slade, gave her advice on her current men. Blech!

      • Katiecoo says:

        I watched it too…snort! Esp. when Slade put himself in the lineup. I kinda miss Jo though…she has the same candidness in some ways as Bethenny.

        • Melinda says:

          I couldn’t even watch it…..it was that horrible……and I watch almost anything! 😉

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        I thought it was “Date my Ex?” Totally sleazy, just like the two of them.

        • error 404 says:

          “Date my Ex”! Thank you!

          Ew, senior moment aside, after being reminded of the real title, it makes me want to go scrub in a steaming hot shower.

  15. otaypanky says:

    oh well..i’ve been thrown under the bus.

    I’m outta here.

    • anniieee says:


    • otaypanky says:

      wrote this before other comments…

      thank you all so much…

      Need to work right now…love you all…you to Lynn.

      • anniieee says:

        okay otay…. see you later…

      • A former Jill fan says:

        Glad to see you’re back otay! Try not to let others’ opinions bother you. We all are different and will probably butt heads sometimes. I agree with some things that were said and disagreed with other things, but that was just their opinions. We each decide for ourselves if someone else’s opinion should influence us or not, change our way of thinking or not, affect our actions or not, or even bother us.

  16. Melinda says:

    oh i simply adore you Lynn!! you think rationally and really, unbiased……even though we share our love to hate Jill, Jill deserves that……..and now Theresa!! what the hell was she thinking…..oh wait, she wasn’t! she wasn’t thinking at all ……….. just decided to have a moment and her lapse in judgment did her in! I don’t hate her like I do Jill but she needs to stop throwing stones at Bethenny!

    I am a stay-at-home mom…….if I could have had a nanny, hell, I would have too! (i had twins!) and I am sure that Theresa has help when she wants it (the babysitter, etc) so she needs to back up and quit acting like a bitch! As for her bankruptcy…….nope, I don’t think she had a clue or she would have not drawn attention to herself like that on Friday. Funny how she has been UBER quiet since Sat when the story hit.

    I enjoy watching the RHONJ but not as much as the NY wives……..lord help me! 😉

  17. mia says:

    Lynn said “As someone mentioned, these Bravolebrities have decided to create accounts on Facebook and Twitter.

    When people are invited to comment, they will.”

    Just as when the Bravolebrities open themselves up to the public we do as well (on a much smaller scale) when we comment on blogs or on their personal websites, facebook, and twitter. If the last part of this blog was about the string under Cleo’s mom 1045 post I don’t think anyone was attacking.

    They were simply making the point that we have to accept what happens when we put ourselves out there on these peoples sites. They were all very respectful, it was otay that ended up cursing people out.

  18. ImToula says:

    Great Blog once again. Looks like it’s turning into a habit.LOL

    As far as Teresa and her comments we must remember that she far less intelligent than most. She’s on the wrong show. She should be on Jersey Shore. The intellect of those kids and hers are equal. This is a free country. We can voice our opinion freely without fear of persecution, too bad if people are not happy with that. They want to leave and never come back? I say to them Don’t let the door hit your butt on your way out! BUBIE

    • just sayin' says:

      LOL I was thinking about that their are people boycotting becasue of Jersy Shore, a group of young drunk, kids being…….well you drunk kids. Where is the outrage about NJHW if I lived in NJ I would be much more offended by the middle aged women who are suppose to be the “society” chicks…hmmm okay :).

  19. Char12 says:

    Clevelandgirl is right Lynn. You don’t owe anyone an explanation or an apology. It is your blog and if they don’t like they don’t need to read it.

  20. Katiecoo says:

    Ok carrying this over…yes it’s me the same katiecoo but with an inexplicably different photo than when I use my other laptop…dodododo Twilight Zone music.

    Anyway, about bankruptcy. If someone files Bankruptcy, then the foreclosure stops on their house and they get to keep it? how does this work?

    If all Andy said was he does know T’s house is not in foreclosure and nothing else about the other details posted everywhere over the w/e then that’s strategic. Facts are public record on these things and are irrefutable.

    It’s really embarassing flaunting a crazy opulent over spending lifestyle when you are wayyy beyond your means and forcing taxpayers to fund it. Now this issue will mos def come up in THAT reunion show….can’t wait. 😉

    • anniieee says:

      The homestead is the one thing that you can keep in bankruptcy… don’t want you in the street…imo…heard that somewhere…. could be wrong…probably am… don’t shoot the messenger.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Katiecoo – go back one page. I answered you over there.

    • Melinda says:

      There are a lot of things you can keep when it comes to bankruptcy. One home (which still has to be paid, just restructured) car, etc. You can keep anything you are willing to pay for……. plus unsecured debt (credit cards) can just vanish unless the credit card company wants specific items back……Sears does! lol

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Depends on the bankruptsy you file for first of all. Second, the house you keep is the one the judges panel decides is the homestead – it is usually the one lived in the longest – so bye bye mansion. As for other assets, you usually keep what is reasonable for living in the homestead – two bedroom house gets two bedrooms of furniture. In the end, there is a payment set up for everything owed that is mandated by the court. You can’t choose which house, car, credit cards etc. It isn’t pleasant and it doesn’t absolve you of all debt. Poor Teresa was stupid enough to have had filmed large amounts of cash changing hands, went on about the expensive countertops, flooring, etc and what she paided for clothes was not close to what she claimed. While you can always appeal – in the end someone else decides what you keep and how much of your income goes to paying off the debt (which is why their income is so low). And afterwards there is no credit for you for many years…..

  21. Small Town Mama says:

    Teresa commenting on Bethenny’s nanny was really low. Bethenny works and Jason works. Someone has to care for Bryn while they work. It’s not different than most working parents who drop their babies off at daycare every morning. What Teresa said as a dig to Bethenny came across, to me, as a slap in the face to working moms who have to hire someone to care for their kids while they work.

    • Katiecoo says:

      She probably hates it that her show has had to share the Bravo spotlight with B all season…first overlapping with RHONY and now TSOB (theSummer of Bethenny). She’s gotta blame someone as her finances crash under a microscope.

    • Sue says:

      Exactly!!! So would it be better for Bethenny to send Bryn to daycare as opposed to having a nanny and having her at home??? Would that be acceptable to Teresa who let’s her kids on an ATV without a helmet????? I say kudos to Bethenny. She is her own woman who has made her own business and brand. She didn’t marry someone in the fabric business or a world famous photographer or a count. She did it all herself. Women can be the cattiest bunch of people. Grrrr.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Bethenny isn’t a stay at home mom and her husband has a white collar office job. She has businesses to run so getting staff (nanny, personal assistants, etc) makes perfect sense. I don’t believe for one minute that Teresa cleans that house or watches her kids 24/7 or cooks all those fabulous meals. Meow T Meow!

  22. HD says:

    Okay….whew….you can’t miss more than a few hours around this place before everything changes….

    I have one focus and one focus only…my hate for Jill Zarin. All that other peronal drama doesn’t amount to a satchel of gold to me.

    Teresa should know by now to focus on her OWN issues and just leave others alone. Yes, she is keeping her main house but explain the other 8 million dollars worth of debt. Yeah right.

    Had Enough…LOVE the video! Too funny!

  23. Morgaine Swann says:

    Thanks, Lynn! I hope everybody relaxes a bit – we need to rest up for Thursday night!

    I kind of like Teresa, but I can’t abide the way she attacked Bethenny. As you point out, the better her show does, the better for them all. I hope B. gets huge ratings, but she’s got some big numbers to follow with the recent VI trip.

    I don’t know much about this stuff, so is there a difference in a nanny and a baby nurse? I know Bethenny said she had a baby nurse, which I think is a fantastic idea. Most women have some kind of help with a new baby. Bethenny doesn’t have sisters, mom, or grandma to help, so a doula of some sort is appropriate. She said she’d never even held a baby before, so I think having an expert to help out is great. You know, in France theire health insurance provides a helper for new mothers to do whatever they need, even if it’s just to help keep up with laundry and such. B. is running a business and adapting to many changes, plus taping her show – she’s a busy lady. It makes sense that she’d have someone who could focus exclusively on the baby. That’s a smart thing to do.

    I don’t expect much from Teresa. She’s just like a lot of girls I knew when I lived on the East Coast and I loved them in spite of their limitations. Her sexual experience is very limited, she’s not the brightest bulb in the box, and she’s “old school,” because of the way she was raised. If you take her as she is and laugh along with her, she can be kind of charming in a certain way. I don’t understand why she would take on Bethenny, unless they’re trying to drum up interest in their show. People are saying it’s boring this year, so maybe they want to gin up some drama? If you’re going to pick a fight, pick the biggest kid in the yard, right?

    BTW, Lynn, I thought you handled the issue with that other blogger very well. You were direct and assertive without getting nasty. I wrote several political blogs for many years and I know how hard that can be. Kudos for handling it in a very professional (even though it’s your hobby) way.

    • RAR says:

      I agree. I can watch Teresa because she is absolutely clueless. She doesn’t have the clout to really hurt anyone. The word “whatever” comes to mind everytime she slams someone, even Danielle – The Mean White-Trash Kelly.

      I hate zillzarin

  24. Katiecoo says:

    I think the whole “baby nurse” thing is very popular in NYC. I have a friend who moved there (to get married) and his wife got one no question with their first baby. He had no idea it was the culture there but it was kind of written in to the whole deal as just customary. I say go for it too if you can, besides you’ve given someone a job they need!

    • Annie1033 says:

      Yeah exactly and not to mention that Bryn was born prematurely…I’m sure Bethenny was fairly terrified bringing her home and good god, I would be too! So I think if ANYTHING, it was incredibly responsible for her to hire a doula!

  25. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders. says:


  26. Tootsie says:


    Have I missed a comment, I can’t be the first to think of this. How much of an impact did Jill and Psychotic Krazy Kellie have on an at risk pregnancy and having Brynn arrive a month early. With all Bethenny was enduring at the time of the VI incident Kelly’s constant “you are trying to murder me” throughout the entire night had to have a negative impact on Bethenny. The comment Krazy Kellie made about Bethenny using her father’s death as a media event is beyond mean girl. Losing a parent is bad enough, but losing one you did not have a good relationship with is worse. Those wasted years will never have a chance of a re-do. Personally, I place Jill and Psychotic Krazy Kellie as two of the reasons Bethenny delivered early. And Theresa on top of it all, the idiot, she’s been pregnant, she knows all about the hormones. Shame on all of you.

    • error 404 says:

      B may be ambitious and a bit of a fame whore, but she’s not an idiot. I doubt she went on a reality tv show with a bunch of bitches she already knew where crazy bitches without consulting her doctor. Heck, ay her age she flew and went on a boat trip pregnant. Again, I doubt it was against her doctor’s orders.

      I know that Kiki is a disgusting excuse for a human being and even said on camera that she did’t care that B was pregers, that she’d still argue with her, but I’m sure that B could have gotten a flight home at any point if it was too much.

      Yes, she wants money and fame, but she wanted that kid too, so I doubt B put her baby in any direct danger. At least I hope.

      • Annie1033 says:

        Well, she certainly didn’t put her pregnancy at risk on purpose and I think she was expecting Kelly to just be her usual dumb self, maybe a little bit nasty but NOTHING to the extent that it was! So I absolutely agree with you Tootsie! I think that you absolutely could commit NO GREATER sin on this show then doing what Kelly did. I honestly feel that that was one of the more AWFUL and EVIL things I’ve ever seen on any of these shows….it rivals “Naked Wasted”. Truly.

  27. KLAS says:

    Re: “I don’t get why people can’t just skip past posts that don’t appeal to them. You don’t have to read and answer every single post. If it doesn’t interest you, move on to the next one.”

    Perfectly said Lynn. That’s exactly what I do – skip posts that don’t interest me. Life’s too short to spend even one minute worrying about another person’s opinion.

  28. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders. says:

    Lets not forget Bethenny is a new mother, no sisters, mother etc to help her out plus baby Bryn was premature. I would have a baby nurse/nanny too. Whats the big deal?

    • sue says:

      Good point. My mom came to help my husband and I. She was great, not overbearing, very helpful.

      My poor husband had to diplomatically kick her out at day ten though! (He figured 10 days of his mother-in-law was enough).

  29. iceNfire says:

    Were pictures of Silex in Chicago ever posted?

    • viki55 says:

      Wow, poll is at 50%/50%, interesting!

      • error 404 says:

        I didn’t vote, mainly because it doesn’t make much sense at this point. If BGM? gets a 2nd season, then no, she should quit RHoNY. But if BGM? is a 1 off, then yes, she should stay on RHoNY. How are we suppose to vote until we know she has her own show or not?

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        I had a hard time voting. I’d love her to stay on RHNYC, but I finally voted she should move on. I’m convinced the stress is part of why she delivered early and I don’t think Bethenny should EVER be in the same place at the same time as Kelly. Kelly is probably schizophrenic and her unhealthy obsession with B. makes the risk too great. I hope B.’s show is a smashing success so it gets continued and she doesn’t have to go back.

        • Shadowsnomore says:

          I agree!

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            B has a poll of sorts on her blog regarding returning to housewives.
            I left a post saying that Bryn is only a baby for a short time and to enjoy her. While I would miss her I would rather she be with the baby.

  30. Shadowsnomore says:

    I’m re posting my reaction to Teresa and her baby nurse comments. I’m just too damn lazy to re-type! Teresa is a stupid BITCH! She is trying to learn from Jill Zarin’s school of “HOW TO BE A REALITY BITCH, WIN FANS, THREATEN BOOK REVIWERS, and INFLUENCE the GULLIBLE”. Teresa is sooooo dumb that she has failed every test. Here goes my rant…….

    Teresa needs to STFU. Many women how have just had a baby could use some help. Most have a mom or sister who can come and help. As a mother of 5 kid, I know first hand how exhausting a newborn can be. Not to mention that new moms can feel depression, overwhelmed and stressed out. Bethenny doesn’t have a close relationship with her mother. “B” is fortunate that she is at a point in her life that she can afford to get the help she needs. Why would anyone in their right mind begrudge her that? It’s a sad fact that infants that are abused usually have parents who have stated that they were stressed out and couldn’t handle the crying and constant demands of the infant. I’m not making any excuses for people who abuse their babies, but maybe some of them may not have become abusive if they had the tools to cope. I noticed that you, Teresa Bitch, had the help of your mother when you gave birth! You are just a jealous, bitchy c*nt who has been poisoned by the queen BITCH, Jill Zarin. I hate you now as vehemently as I HATE JILL ZARIN! You have stupidly unleashed an army of people who have seen through Jill and have called her ass out. Get ready, it’s your turn now BITCH!

    • PFinFL says:

      Well, and Bethenny works. We’ve seen her even in her apt. with her assistant working. I don’t understand people today. To me Bethenny is taking care of her daughter by hiring someone to look after her while she is working. There is no difference if she were to put her baby in a daycare. It just that she can afford a nanny. Teresa may think she can stay at home and take care of her kids….fine…but she doesn’t have even half the career that Bethenny has. She needs to quit being all judgmental. Geez…she calls everyone a whore! And thinks everyone wants to hear about her sex life with Joe. She is jealous of Bethenny because of the Skinnygirl. Plain and simple.

      Actually, I’ve been waiting to hear about how she has had to hire this person and that person. I wonder if they have landscapers for that huge yard or does Teresa mow the grass too?

      • Shadowsnomore says:

        She’s too pretty to mow grass honey!

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        Teresa is old school Italian. She’s probably never been with anyone but Joe and she knows very little about sex which is why she talks about it all the time. To her, anyone who is not a virgin when they marry and then sleeps only with her husband is a whore. It’s an old, very patriarchal way of thinking. Some people are still living in the 17th century, and she’s one of them.

        • error 404 says:

          I agree that she’s never been with anyone but Joe, but please, big hair was a virgin on her wedding night the same day Kiki graduated magna cum laude from Columbia!

          You’d think she’d side with B, wasn’t Gia born prematurely too, 10 lb baby born just 6 months after her parents wed?

    • BamaBelle says:

      I totally agree!

      Teresa is a DIGUSTING human being, and I feel the same way about her as I do that STINKING Jill. I’m so happy to have found this site because my comments were never posted on BravoTV, either.

      Onother thing… Teresa NEEDS a baby-sitter. Someone that will teach those kids some manners! I’m not knocking her children, it’s Teresa’s fault that they’re spoiled rotten brats!

      • BamaBelle says:

        My reply was to Shadowsnomore, and I can spell… Another, LOL! I’m new to this site and am still trying to figure things out.

        • anniieee says:

          hey we found someone from alabama…… wondering …wondering… Just kidding bamabelle… welcome…

  31. PFinFL says:

    How can anyone believe anything Teresa says anymore? Someone on this board said there is no way that she cleans that house by herself. I agree. The stair case alone would take a couple of days. And when she is meeting at restaurants and the other hw’s homes w/o her kids….who is keeping them? Joe works, right? Maybe his and her family helps them out a lot and because she doesn’t pay them it doesn’t count? Just like when she said that she had all her babies naturally while getting an epidural;)

  32. Elizabeth says:

    I was blocked from Jill’s twitter account because I follow Ginger Zarin! Is this woman ever going to grow up? I rather follow Ginger though. Here are a couple of other funny twitters to follow:
    https://twitter.com/BaawbyZ and of course Miss Ginger https://twitter.com/GingerZarin

    These are so funny! Jill can spew it out but she can’t take a joke.

    • Lynn says:

      This is how stupid Jill is. She blocked me also (same situation..I was following Ginger) . I signed up with another user name on both twitter and facebook and now she is allowing me to follow her. Does she realize that people can still follow her tweets just by doing a search on twitter and clicking on her name?
      Her actions just make her look more immature.
      I wish her all the best and mean her no harm but when you agree to do a reality show you must realize what the consequences and feedback from the viewers will be, especially when you act as a vindictive, spoiled and yes jealous housewife.

      As for Teresa, she should really take a long hard look at her situation (bankruptcy sucks my dear) Who the hell pays $2000 for a 9 year old’s clothes? So before you make remarks about Bethenny and her nanny look at your own actions.

      • Kats says:

        Ginger Zarin is so funny it would be worth getting blocked for following that poor dog. But I actually stopped following Jill, Kelly and Teresa ages ago. I can’t stand them and I know they get off on the number of followers they have. F them, I don’t want to be counted or part of that number.

        • A former Jill fan says:

          OMG Kats! I quit following them too because they were so boring. If fairness, I quit following Sonja too because she retweeted so many posts and I didn’t want to go thru them all, though I do like Sonja. 🙂

        • dee says:

          I stopped following them because in absolute incredulity I kept hitting my forehead with my palm. It was becoming difficult to explain the bruising to others.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        I’m sure Jill knows that people can still see her tweets, she used to protect her tweets. She also knows, I’m sure that people can do what you did and start new accounts, create new names, many people do it. Personally my feeling is that they need us more than we need them, without any fans, they’re off the radar and gone. If they block me and others, that is so much the fewer fans they have.

        Blocking someone on Twitter is actually sort of stupid if you think about it. I can still see Jill’s tweets, she doesn’t see mine but she wouldn’t anyway unless she follows me, few celebrities follow fans anyway. A few of the housewives follow me, Alex, Simon, Jacqueline and a few others but they are just really nice people and follow a lot of their fans.

  33. renee says:

    I agree!!! I kinda liked Terese but I was put off by all the mean comments and what I felt was ‘in my face” lavish spending. Everyone has their own way… but still found it hard to take… I don’t always agree with Bethenny and find myself cringing a bit at some of her comments. I was kind of shocked at Terese coming out and attacking Bethenny so hard… she accused Bethenny of using smoke and mirrors between who she really is and what she portrays… That is what stood out the most when it hit the web about the Bankruptcy… Playing it large… spending and bragging about it endlessly… saying your money grows on trees in your backyard… then filing for Bankruptcy and hiding it is the definition of smoke and mirrors… Lost respect for her But what stood out the most for me was she said she was defending her friend Jill… I thought Jill liked Bethenny and wanted to make up with her so badly… it would seem to me that she would come to Bethennys defense on this and say… Wait a minute Terese… Don’t speak for me… I am trying to bridge the gap not widen it… Therese.. you went to Kelly crazy land and I hope you come back

  34. Morgaine Swann says:

    Does anyone think it’s possible Teresa didn’t know about the bankruptcy? Only Joe’s name is on the paperwork and I can see him not telling her about it.

    • Shadowsnomore says:

      No. When you are married, both spouses have to sign off. Especially if it’s a personal bankruptcy not business.

    • PFinFL says:

      Yes…she probably said, “Joe…what are these documents about?”….and he probably said to “Fuggitaboutit”…

  35. LadyLucilu says:

    I like what you have to say. Totally agree with what you are saying. Its not trying to knock anybody down, but simply on there actions. Thank you for writing your opinions and truthfully it does makes sense. I do love all the “Housewives” yes there is only 2 1/2 that I really don’t care for and that is because the way they are. I’m going to be very honest. “Kelly” I can’t believe the way she acts, she is straight up pathetic. (my opinion) And Daniella I don’t care for her actions, how she keeps trying to destroy the other ladies in the show. And Oh My my half would be Jill, I had so much respect for that lady. Yes we as viewer have seen the ugly come out of Jill, and that makes me very sad. Jill when fans are saying we love the old Jill please come back. Stop with the back biting, trying to get people on your side. I’m really praying for you Jill. And stop blaming Alex for your actions please its easier to blame someone else for your mistakes. As for the rest I do love all the Real Housewives O.C/N.Y/Atlanta/N.J .Sending out love & peace & prosperity to all you ladies.

    • FreeCupcakes says:

      I liked Jill after the very first episode, something about her was very likable. Her friendship with Bethenny was also fun to watch. This season she has alienated me. I don’t have a single good thing to say about her. I completely respect your opinion and I’m glad you mentioned her treatment of Alex. In addition to the way she tried to turn everyone against Bethenny, her treatment of Alex has made her even less sympathetic and more of a villian, imo.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      Thank you. I’ll take love, peace and prosperity any time I can get it. The same right back at ya.

  36. Ches says:

    Bankruptcy laws are different in each state. Your house may be untouchable in one state but not in another. In the state where I live, if you declare bancruptcy, even if you don’t owe anything on your house, it is considered to be an asset. And, if you owe enough, it will eventually be auctioned, by the courts, to help pay off your debts.
    If you have defaulted on your mortgage, in my state, you will definitely lose your house.
    99+% of people in this state end up eventually losing their houses if you file for personal bancruptcy.
    I am not sure what the laws are for NJ. I do know that in some other states your house will not be touched by the courts. You are allowed to keep it and it is up to the bank, which holds your mortgage, to decide if they want to foreclose or not.
    Again, I don’t know how this differs in NJ.

    • Ches says:

      Forgot one more thing…here, if you default on your mortgage, and your house is up for Sheriff’s Sale, you can declare bankruptcy anytime before that house is actually auctioned off and it will automatically stop the sale.
      So I guess what I am saying is, although T’s house isn’t in foreclosure now, it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t before, or that it won’t be auctioned off once this goes through the courts.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      Thanks for the link.

      Hey Teresa: As the detective says to the suspect, we’re on to you… Teresa, we’re on to you.

      • anniieee says:

        What a Neiu Joisey biotch… shave your forehead you cromagnon… uhhhhhhhhh stupid is as stupid does.

  37. iceNfire says:

    otay – check your mail please

  38. Cleo's Mommy says:

    New Board, I just wanted to make sure Ice saw my answer to her question:


    iceNfire says:
    June 7, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I’m still catching up again and plan on reading Jenni’s comment again but first:
    Cleo’s Mom said “As for everyone else – even A. Chandler – there was no real harm done.”

    What makes you think that no real harm was done to Alana? Have you spoken to her?

    My Reply

    I assume no real harm was done, because as far as I know her dog/cat hybrid is safe and sound and I have repeatedly checked in on the Amazon review comments and have not seen her post anything about any personal or professional fallout from the Susan Saunders comment.

    I understand A. Chandler’s still reviewing books and the Anti-Defamation League has not put her on their watch list. So apparently the anti semitic accusation has not been officially sanctioned and disseminated . And the Jewish people are known for our intelligence, so I assume that with the exception of J. Samples (and I don’t know if she’s Jewish or not) Jill’s nephew, and Gloria – no other Jew would be swayed by Susan Saunders infamous comment even if they didn’t find out that Jill Zarin actually wrote it. I would be so bold as to opine that not even Lisa Wexler or Ally Zarin would believe that A. Chandler was anti-semitic just because she thought the book was dreck.

    By the way, I’m Jewish – A Chandler’s more than welcome to my home for Passover next year.

    Also I assume that no real harm was done, because to paraphrase @kikilet someone is making lemonade that smells like cat pee out of oranges.

    By that I mean that as long as the dog/cat hybrid is not kidnapped there really is not much harm that could come to A. Chandler from Susan Saunders comment on her review – even if amazon had left it up. The internet is full of nasty opinions and accusations about people – hell I’ve read worse on this board.

    • iceNfire says:

      You are missing my point. Both you and Jenni expressed that we shouldn’t take our comments about Jill further than this blog, but then you go and drag
      A. Chandler onto this blog.
      IMO Jenni has no right telling people where they should or shouldn’t comment.
      Cleo’s Mom has no business commenting on A. Chandler’s feelings.

      • viki55 says:

        Lynn said:
        “I don’t get the arguments, I don’t get the judging, I don’t get why people can’t just skip past posts that don’t appeal to them. You don’t have to read and answer every single post. If it doesn’t interest you, move on to the next one.”

        • iceNfire says:

          Cleo’s Mommy broght this “over”
          I choose to address otay via email in oder to keep this off the blog.

          • Cleo's Mommy says:

            Ice YOU asked ME a question ON the blog. By the time I saw it there was already a new blog page.

            I did not “Bring this over” so as to instigate anything, I brought it over to ensure that you saw my answer to your question.

      • Cleo's Mommy says:

        I am not suggesting that you limit your comments to this board, I am merely questioning why anyone who has not been directly attacked by Jill would engage her.

        Jill has engaged A. Chandler and (I believe but may be wrong, Lynn.) so if they choose to fight back, I don’t blame them. But Jill has done nothing personally to the vast majority of people who hate her. To me it’s no different than Jesse James. I think he’s a total dickwad and a despicable human being for what he did to Sandra Bullock. And I’ll say that here, but I’m not gonna send a letter to his bike shop telling him what an ass I think he is. I have a bad opinion of him, but he didn’t do anything to me so why go after him?

        And I said nothing about A. Chandler’s “so free to be you and me, 1979) (tm kelly) feelings. I was talking about harm. Physical harm, economic harm, harm to her reputation, etc.

        • iceNfire says:

          Yes new blog, new topic, new mood. Please drop it now

          • Cleo's Mommy says:

            You should refrain from asking questions if you don’t actually want them answered.

            I didn’t realize that individual blogs had individual mood themes. Nor did I realize that discussions were not allowed to be continued from blog post to blog post. I assumed that new blogs were posted because LYNN had something new that she wanted to say or because the number of comments on the previous board was making the board wonky.

            Thanks for cluing me in, if you could post the full list of rules and regulations, I would really appreciate it.

        • A former Jill fan says:

          CM: “I am not suggesting that you limit your comments to this board, I am merely questioning why anyone who has not been directly attacked by Jill would engage her.”

          Because you do not have to be directly attacked by someone to engage her in her own media forums.

          This is just your opinion on the matter. Some agree and some disagree. You have a right to your opinion, but if you are really wanting to know why someone would do this, see my comment below posted at 2:18.

          • Cleo's Mommy says:

            Of course you don’t have to. My question was why would you.

            And of course it’s my opinion, I never stated otherwise, I never characterized those who choose to do it negatively, I only pointed out that if you choose to attack the jill zarin’s of the world, don’t be surprised if they attack you back. Don’t be surprised if someone who you know plays dirty, decides to play dirty with you.

            “Caveat Comment Poster”

          • A former Jill fan says:

            Why would I comment on Jill’s media forums?

            Because I want to.

      • Jenni says:

        I think you need to re-read what I actually said.

        • CdnFillie says:

          holy..drop it people, you all made your point, let it go and let this be a fun blog to read again

    • MAMAZ says:

      But by that same standard no real harm was done to Jill Zarin because of anything otay said to her.

      • Cleo's Mommy says:

        My issue with otay was not about what harm she would do to Jill by telling her off. My question was why even bother telling Jill off, unless you actually have skin in the game, and most fans don’t. A handful, like A. Chandler – who I don’t even think was a fan, got dragged into it by Jill, but as for the rest of us we’re spectators not participants – unless you choose to make yourself a participant – in which case you have no right to complain if someone you hate because they play dirty winds up playing dirty with you.

        • A former Jill fan says:

          Well, I don’t have skin in the game, but I am a viewer of RHONY and I am fighting to get jill and kelly removed from the show. I have and will contact Andy Cohen, other bravo producers, sponsors, etc. and let them know my preferences and why. I’ll boycott sponsors if I want to do that.
          Why do I do this? Because I can and also because I love this show. To me, this show is a product of Bravo and I am a consumer. some people agree, some don’t and that’s fine.

          I actually liked all the housewife shows until they all started going in the direction of trash tv and showing the women verbally and physically attacking each other.

          OC 1st season was great, then was NY or Atlanta? Can’t remember. Anyway, NY was great (but I now see the negative influence jill had on all 3 seasons–hindsight is 20/20!), but with Atlanta came a level of sensationalism that I just didn’t enjoy at all. Then OC started going in the same direction, Atlanta got worse and now NY.

          Bravo let this happen and the slide has continued with RHONY. To me, Jill and Kelly have ruined the show and I would like to see them removed. It may never happen, so be it. I can only do what I can do and accept the outcome. That’s me. I’ve always felt that if you feel passionate about an issue, to do something about it. It won’t shatter my world if there is no change in season 4, but I want to try to encourage change in RHONY anyway.

          I’ve commented to jill on her facebook and twitter. But I did refuse to comment on jill’s own website because knowing the kind of person jill is, I suspected that she would set up fake identities to leave glowing comments about herself, or to attack anyone posting negative comments or questions as she has total control over the commets. I wasn’t so concerned with the email issue or the ip addy.

        • A former Jill fan says:

          Also, I really don’t understand why you think you have to have “skin in the game” to have a valid reason to post a comment directly to jill’s various media formats.

          To me, the only valid reason any person has to have to comment directly to Jill is that they watch the show. Fans/former fans have always contacted their idols to tell them whether or not they like them and what they are doing. That does not a fanatic make.

          • iceNfire says:

            Makes me wonder why they are trying so hard to direct comments away form Jill’s facebook/email

          • A former Jill fan says:

            Me too, ice. I’ve given her my reason for engaging Jill directly if that’s what CM’s really wondering about.

            Otherwise, it’s just her opinion. She has a right to it, but if she’s really trying to tell people what to do (which she said she wasn’t in one of the posts above), all I can assume (until she clarifies) is that she wants to know why someone would engage jill directly if jill hasn’t attacked that person first.

          • Jenni says:

            @Ice- REALLY? Why do you feel you have to put words in my mouth, get the last word, and cast suspision on commenters who are simply stating their opinions?

            Sorry, don’t answer that. It is obvious…

          • Cleo's Mommy says:

            I just don’t see any reason to directly attack someone who I do not know and has not done something to me. Comment on it yes, comment to them no. That’s just my personal opinion.

            And when it comes to commenting on Jill’s board when you know she monitors the comments and has access to your email address and you know how vindictive she is and that she does go after people who say bad things about her, I just don’t get it.

            Unless of course, the goal is to get into it with her, get on her enemies list etc. Which I’m not saying is the goal of any of the posters, including otay.

            I asked otay the question because I was trying to understand why people feel the need to attack her on her own website, and she? he? had posted what had happened when she did leave a comment on J’s site.

            And then I was also pointing out – what’s that saying, if you mess with the bull, you’ll get the horns?

  39. ridicurhony says:

    I too, agree with the Teresa comments. I never did the total immersion thing with RHONJ, but when she came on the RHONY as a guest blogger and called Sonja an ‘old whore’ for no apparent reason, in an obvious attempt to imitate Bethenny’s witty snarking I decided she wasn’t worth watching. Also, don’t kill me for the imagery, but Danielle and her sad, sad story for some reason reminds me of a retired greyhound dog.(did someone already write that?? or why am I thinking that?) I wish she’d been smarter and not gotten herself on the show.

  40. viki55 says:

    Sorry if this has already been posted. I was watching the reunion previews where Alex gives an example where Kelly talked about Bethenny in the press with advise on being a mother and Kelly denies she mentioned Bethenny. I found this link and it looks like Kelly is right. Can anyone find where Kelly made comments about Bethenny?


    • Ches says:

      Maybe theAlex was talking about this part…

      “I mean, she would be like “Oh my God!” and freak out. With her hormones, she would be like firecrackers! Literally. Maybe she’ll learn something from it; I have no idea.”

      • viki55 says:

        Ya, maybe that’s it. Doesn’t really seem like that one comment would bother Bethenny, lol she might even agree with it:)

    • dee says:

      Dare I say that Kelly sounded, oh, umm, lucid in that Q&A? Or maybe the author of the article cleaned it up to make her sound coherent? Yet, those long answers made me imagine Kelly speaking at 100 miles per hour. It’s weird. But that’s how I envision how the interview went.

    • jb8 says:

      I can only say, wow, oh wow after reading this. I pray someone else is helping to raise KKB’s children. What a ramble!

  41. LadeyDiana says:

    Check out the latest article on People Magazine on whether Bethenny will stay on RHONY! http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/06/07/bethenny-frankel-real-housewives-new-show/

    • katiecoo says:

      That’s kind of a hard poll question. I mean of course I want her to stay on because she’s one of the few reasons to make the show worth watching, BUT I feel she should move on for her own sake too.

      Now if the poll was “should Bethenny stay on or should Jill Z. stay on?” it would be a no brainer.

  42. MickeyMouth says:

    From Lynn’s blog “Teresa keeps claiming she does everything alone without help”

    I was wondering about that. Her parents never came to help out after the baby was born? Or, is it just the fact that Bethenny pays for help. I never understand people making comments about stuff like this. Parenting is hard; take all the help you can get!

  43. Char12 says:

    Doing some catching up and haven’t read everything yet (again lol) but I just came from the laughing stock of America’s website, Perez Hilton’s and it got my blood boiling. I don’t usually comment on sites like that but I just had too this time. This is what I said and it probably won’t get posted so I thought I’d put it in here. “OMG are you people seriously believing this crap? Perez doesn’t know who did what to whom anymore then I do. And for him to “suggest” that it was Bethanny is so irresponsible and childish beyond belief. Where’s the proof Perez? Put up or shut-up!
    And as far as Bethanny having all but 50 hating her guts you haven’t done your homework lately have you? She’s the most liked of all the housewives out there so you better recheck your facts.
    You my friend are the laughing stock of the country and no one believes half (if that) of what you say.
    Gee, now I’m wondering if this will even get posted. I’m betting not.

  44. HD says:

    I crack up at this episode of NJ every time I see it. Watching Danielle at the fundraiser dinner is HILARIOUS! She is so overlydramatic and so made this dinner about her. Bringing all those guys with her. LOL! What a fool. She got invited to the dinner and brought 12 guests. LOL! Who does that and then she dressed all fancy and everyone was in jeans and stuff. LOL! Straight fool. I am not invested in this show at all because it is boring but this episode is hilarious!

    • PFinFL says:

      Have you seen the preview for tonight where she’s talking to herself in the kitchen? It’s hilarious. She takes herself so seriously. She really is the most paranoid person I have ever witnessed. People in psychology should study her. It’s crazy!

  45. Maite2002 says:

    Lynn I luv luv luv u!!! The housewives are getting so nasty with each other I rather watch bridezillas 🙂 … at least its trashy acting like trashy! Teresa and Jill are just big attention whores, jealous and obviously with big egos. I miss the days it was fun to watch these ladies. I believe Teresa wants a bit of Jill’s notoriety and attacks Bethenny in whatever way she can think of. People are tired of these stupid fights.

  46. Ches says:

    This guy is so funny sometimes…Theresa article

    • dee says:

      Sometimes? He’s funny all the times. Michael K rules. And he’s so much better than Perez. Snarky without being mean. Or should I say really mean. He doesn’t make fun of kids, unless it Miley. And I for one appreciate that.

    • little rock says:

      “the post didn’t mention if theresa’s hairline is foreclosing on her forehead”
      I just snorted so hard, i think there’s snot on my screen. That’s ALMOST as gross as T’s hairy forehead.

    • PFinFL says:

      One of the comments says that Teresa’s parents live with them? I wonder if that is where the $120,000 from family assistance comes from. Do they pay rent?

  47. MAMAZ says:

    It’s not only our dislike for Jill Zarin that unites us on this blog. We also all enjoy Lynn’s recaps and observations. Lynn was attacked by another blogger and otay vehemently defended her. From what I could see that’s what most of the actual hate was about.
    Otay has also explained that her original posting to JZ’s blog wasn’t harsh or vulgar. It was sincere albeit unsolicitated advice. Jill responded by asking why she was so mean, deleted the post and blocked her giving otay no chance to defend herself. I think that’s what set otay off and I admit it would have fired me up too. And JZ said she wouldn’t release email addresses just like Lynn does here. Big surprise, she reneged on that deal. If I’m wrong about that otay feel free to correct me.
    I think there is room here for all of us here. I don’t always like a comment or it’s tone so I ignore it and respond to one I do.
    The whole angle behind the Real Housewives Franchise is that they are REAL people just like you or me. They may live in bigger homes, run with a fabulous circle of friends but they are not actors reading a script. Bravo wants us to interact with them, that’s why they have a blog section on their website. Some of the Bravolebrities have FB pages and Twitter accounts. They can be private so that we can’t even see them. Instead they leave open the option for us to friend them. Until we say something they don’t like. Pretty much like REAL life. We invite them into our homes wen we turn on the TV and select Bravo as our channel. They invite us into their lives when they set up FB and Twitter accounts open to the public. And put out messages about their private lives.
    Otay is a great researcher and has contributed a lot to our discussions. I for one hope she will continue to do so.
    Anyway let’s respect Lynn’s wishes and be kind to each other.

  48. desertgal66 says:

    Kelly Killoren Bensimon and the Mother Hale Award for Caring.

    This is how it works – every year, Hale House gives three Mother Hale Awards for Caring in three categories: international, national, and New York.

    In 1997, the recipients were Russell Simmons (international); Muriel Siebert (national) and Kelly Killoren Bensimon (New York).

    Now, you might be asking yourself why did Kelly receive the award? She held a fundraiser for Hale House, where a bunch of people paid to get together in Southampton so they could dress up, pause and repeat, drink some booze, eat some food, and bid on jeans signed by another bunch of people. (Apparently, it was considered cool in 1997 to hang an autographed pair of jeans in your cottage foyer in the Hamptons. I don’t get it myself, but I’m not au courant. I like art on my walls, not ink scribbled jeans.)

    Now, I’m not gonna knock this. Any fundraising for charity is a good thing, and if you get to have a party at the same, and the corporate sponsors get some tax write-offs, well, hey, why not? And it does take a lot of effort to coordinate a party that size. The “right” caterers, the “right” bartending service, the “right” liquor, the “right” flowers, the “right” table linens, fine china, finger foods, menu…well, you get the idea. Plus, you know, Kelly had to send faxes to all those publicists asking for a signed pair of jeans from all those clients. And sending faxes is hard work. It’s tough. Like slinging cargo on a dock tough.

    In short, Kelly threw a really expensive party that other people paid for, gave the charity a check for what was left over, and they gave her a plaque. Or a statuette. Or something pretty with her name on it.

    Oh, wait, I said I wasn’t going to knock this, huh? Sorry. The important thing is that the kids at Hale House benefited, and, sincerely, that IS cool.

    • MAMAZ says:

      Great work desertgal. I’m glad the Hale House benefited way back in 1997. But like Janet Jackson asked “What have you done for me lately?”

      • desertgal66 says:


      • desertgal66 says:

        I have to point out a significant difference in “charitable” approaches, concerning Hale House. I mentioned last night that I thought Princess Diana received the award in 1997. She didn’t-Hale House honored her in 1995.

        Here’s the thing:
        Diana schlepped herself down to Harlem and visited Hale House. She didn’t have to-Diana wasn’t American and she didn’t have a vested interest in American charities. According to my friend, who worked for Hale House at the time, Diana shook hands with all the support staff, and thanked them for their efforts. She talked to every kid, and every parent, one on one. She expressed compassion for all that they were going through, and she took the time before the visit to do her homework and learn about Hale House and their efforts. She cuddled the kids, played with them, and got down on the floor and let them climb all over her. Some might argue that a one day visit doesn’t amount to much, and maybe it doesn’t, but everyone that was there that day took the memory of a positive experience home with them.

        Diana didn’t just throw a party or write a check. Yes, she did get publicity for her visit, but that gave a huge boost to Hale House’s profile.

        It’s an interesting contrast. Do you suppose Kelly has ever even been to Hale House?

        • error 404 says:

          am I remembering this wrong? I thought that Di was one of the first high society philanthropists to take an interest in AIDS, and her visit to Hale House included pics of her holding babies with AIDS. Was that before 95?

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Russell Simmons is a friend of Kelly’s. He let her write an obnoxious article about how she was the most charitable teenager and a bunch of other compliments about herself on GlobalGrind. If I didn’t dislike her before, I certainly couldn’t stand her after I read it.

      • sue says:

        I probably should read what Kelly supposedly did as a philanthropic youth BUT…..

        I’m not impressed. Youth today are very engaged in service learning type work. Kelly probably was too. Not to generalize but youth can be idealistic, fired up, motivated…whatever (I mean that in a good way). They have teachers and counselors and pastors who can hook them up in many ways to do service work.

        Not to mention youth have known for many many years that service work is good for college applications.

        I’m not saying its not sincere or beneficial, its just not that uncommon. Big deal Kelly.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:

      Great for charity but 1997 must also have been the last year Kellamity had a working brain. Please note that on her timeline to crazy.

      • anutha hata says:

        I don’t know what year it was, but Hale House had a big financial scandal in the late 90’s and they fired people because of it including Mother Hale’s relative. I remember the Lady Di photos with the babies too.
        Hale House was one of the few charities that our family really believed in, along with Saint Judes, but they lost us over that scandal. I don’t remember seeing anything about Kelly, but maybe she was just forgettable.

  49. Shadowsnomore says:

    I have to LOL. RealityTea busted someone named AmandaR on their comments section. She tried defending Jill three times using different names. RT asked if she was Jills’ publicist. It’s comment # 116. My comment is #100. LMAO!


    • Char12 says:

      Oh, that’s just to damn funny lol. She was busted big time and Reality Tea got her good. The Jill camp just never learns do they.

    • Kokuanani says:

      Your comment was excellent.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Nice catch! I notice AmandaR over there tried to make it look like all these different people support Jill but RealityTea was having none of it! Love it!

    • error 404 says:

      wait… Bethenny was “the mean girl” on MS Apprentice? How did I make it thru the entire season and not realize than?

      • sue says:

        I remember watching it but not being totally into it. I remember her being kind of harsh but also funny as she is now. I also remember not disliking her. She is always right. And not pretentious.

  50. HD says:

    Does Bethanny not sale her baked goods anymore? Is she just focusing on the drinks?

  51. CurrentFormerBlogger says:

    Lynn, I had an entirely different take on Teresa’s tweets than you obviously have. When I was reading them as they were being twittered, she was trying to tell a woman not to judge her own childbirth recovery/shape against Bethenny’s. I was glad to see Teresa point out that many, many women aren’t in the same physical and socio/economic position as Bethenny Frankel — thus, the quick weight loss and baby nurse refs. I understood where she was coming from, and others did, too. Maybe she wasn’t eloquent in her delivery, but her message was more about realistic self-image than it was anti-Bethenny….and then…some people following her tweets seized an opportunity to turn it around on Teresa.

    She said that she only had to delete a couple of foul language tweets from Bethenny defenders — and she did say that those B fans had foul language. She explained to those defending B why she was so frank about Bethenny by posting several things Bethenny had said in various blogs about Teresa and the rest, including what Bethenny had said about “wives” who had charities getting into reality tv for the money. Bethenny may have softened in time, but her new persona is still, NEW. She said what she said about all of the “wives” she had strong opinions on, and I’d hope that the NEW B would own it and apologize for any hurt incurred from her caustic blogging. I saw ONE photographer tweet to Bethenny that they posted their positive, personal experience with Bethenny. One. Bethenny happily thanked that person and said it wasn’t necessary for them to give up time in their day to do so. Even if a hundred photographers gave glowing personal reviews, what does that have to do with a woman (who’s NOT B) in twitterland’s self-image concerns after childbirth? Nada — in my opinion.

    People can take away what they want from anything that’s twittered or on a FB wall,
    and this was my take. Your blog on the T vs B situation is long and rambling and I wanted to be more specific on various points, but hopefully, you’ll get my gist. Didn’t you post a few weeks ago, that Teresa had blocked you? Maybe there’s a bit of bias? You did say one thing I agree on and something I’ve been wondering about; you said that Bethenny responds to Teresa’s blogs in the media. Given the timing of the news dump in the Post regarding the Giudice BK, I suspected that Bethenny was behind that, too. If true, that’s the same OLD behavior cast mates accused her of this past season. Or, maybe it was one of Bethenny’s fans or associates who feel so invested in this Bravolebrity. Time will tell.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Getting popcorn now.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Hi. Look, I don’t dislike Teresa, but she did get pretty nasty about Bethenny. It was very disappointing.

    • desertgal66 says:

      And what your take on Teresa’s criticism about Bethenny having a baby nurse at home? Do you consider that to be about realistic self image, too?

      • Capiche says:

        Teresa! What’s up? I have an apartment you can live in. Three bedrooms. Reasonable rent. Call me!

      • CurrentFormerBlogger says:

        desert, IIRC (and I’m not saying my memory is 100%!) Teresa’s tweet was something like, B had a 4# baby a month early and she also had a baby nurse. All in the same tweet. She didn’t dog her, specifically, for having a baby nurse. My take was that she was (correctly) citing the facts that Bethenny isn’t the “norm” in postpartum recovery. Bethenny worked hard for what she has, so I consider her blessed and I absolutely think she’s entitled to rewards for working so hard. I don’t think Bethenny would hold herself up as the “norm”, either.

        Hi, Morgaine. I’m not disappointed in anything the franchise wives do or say. They’re all entertaining to me in different ways. If Teresa didn’t hold back in her feelings about Bethenny, good for her. Bethenny surely must appreciate the candor in return. She’s always been a sharp shooter. And fwiw, I like both Teresa and Bethenny .

    • californiaviewer says:

      You write 457 words of babble and you call Lynn’s blog “long and rambling?” You have nerve.

      • DarkSonnet says:


      • viki55 says:

        LOL did you actually take the time to count the words?

      • KLAS says:

        Re: CurrentFormerBlogger’s claim that Theresa’s message was more about a “realistic self-image.” What?! Theresa doesn’t have a clue about what constitutes a realistic self-image. I don’t respect this woman’s opinion on anything! After all this is the same person who lives in a gigantic tomb-like home she can’t afford, drops thousands of dollars at a time on her toddlers clothing, allows her young children to drive ATVs without helmets, spends a small fortune on her nine-year-old’s ridiculous birthday party, spends $12,000 on a fertility specialist, etc etc. Spare me Theresa’s lame ideas on what contributes to a positive self-image. Theresa is ALL about excess. Nothing else.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      Well, I’ve done woke up now!

      I have said before haven’t I that my eyes aren’t so good and I’m a slow reader because of it. 😮

      I saw Teresa’s tweets re Bethenny and think she WAS being mean and nasty.

      CFB, you’re certainly welcome to spout your opinion on the issue, but it sure was crass of you to insult Lynn in doing that!

      Do YOU get the gist of that? Or was i too subtle?

      • MickeyMouth says:

        Want another bag of popcorn. I sure hope DarkSonnet brings the hard liquor. 😛

        Oh and, your post – spot on

        • A former Jill fan says:

          Heck, I could use a stiff drink! LOL!

          What is it with the postings today? LOL!

          Suspected ealier, but ice confirmed it in an email.

          If the instinct hits, it’s usually right.

          We had one on Amazon that kept asking why…


    • LynnNChicago says:

      Clearly you didn’t read ALL of Teresa’s tweets. Let me ask you this, if Teresa was being a pure, sweet soul trying to help the fans, why did she delete them all?
      Why did Teresa’s FRIEND, Dina defend Bethenny if no attack occurred?

      You really think Bethenny, who is filming her show, caring for a newborn and is busy as hell takes the time to research every bankrupt filing in the state of New Jersey on the off chance that Teresa has filed? She hit paydirt and contacted the press? Have you lost your mind?

      If Teresa was simply trying to help fans out, why attack a new mother with a premature baby at home? TONS of celebrities appear in magazines shortly after childbirth to show how quickly they lost the weight.

      Yes, Teresa blocked me, I speak my mind on Twitter so a few of them have, including Dina who I haven’t said anything about….yet.

      You should re-read her tweets (you can still find them even though the coward deleted them) because you didn’t understand them, I did and so did hundreds of others.

      Check the RealityTea blog too. Oh, and welcome.

      • MickeyMouth says:

        About time, I was almost out of popcorn. 😛

      • CurrentFormerBlogger says:

        Lynn, I guess you can’t see any side but your own? Someone tweeted to Dina what Teresa had said, and Dina diplomatically stopped the nasty overflow to her twitter by stating what she did. Teresa provided the blog comment Bethenny made about charities, wives and getting into the game for money. Dina didn’t want to get into it or she would have. She too is a sharp shooter. My opinion — Dina can be a friend and have boundaries at the same time. She can see the big picture better than maybe others in her franchise.

        Bethenny could have been sitting on the BK info for months. It was filed in late October. Who tipped off the Post and why the tip off at this time is still a mystery — to me. Time *will* tell. But to suggest that Bethenny couldn’t have had the time to retaliate in the media now — because she’s so busy — despite the fact that she could have known months ago is absurd. Again, my opinion.

        Your blog was your opinion. My response is my opinion. Doesn’t make either of us right or wrong, does it?

    • sue says:

      I think she might have meant it that way too, i.e. if a regular mom out there isn’t finding time to work out don’t compare yourself because B has help.

      But that’s as far as I would go defending her.

      Another thing I took differently: a few weeks ago when Kelly’s daughter was twittering….the daughter didn’t say she went to Sex and The City with her mom. The tweet asked if anyone had seen it.

      Maybe she did go too but she didn’t explicitly say she went.

  52. CarrieCinKY says:

    Love ya, Lynn! No one’s words could ever affect me to the point where I don’t visit your site… that’s silly! I read the comments on the last blog, and was offended by some of it, but I just moved on… like you said, if it didn’t appeal to me, I skipped it!
    Anyway, I DID see Teresa’s rant on twitter about Bethenny, and it totally let me down… I thought T was really funny, and I was starting to really like her. Now I no longer follow her… what she said was offensive, and once again, NO facts to back up what she had said.
    I’ve read several interviews and blogs that Teresa and Bethenny have wrote/been in. Neither one is very nice to the other…. why can’t they just get along? Lynn, you really hit it with saying that Bethenny has really grown over this past year, she’s not the same woman we watched in season 1, she’s now found the things she was searching for then… Teresa is already into the drama with Danielle, she’s not in the same place as Bethenny, even though she’s just had a baby. Her and Joe are dealing with foreclosure and bankruptcy, on top of the D drama, so I’m sure she’s got alot of pent-up anger. Seeing Bethenny look INCREDIBLE (hell, I was a lil jealous too! lol) after having her baby, seeing her so happy… I bet it just rubs Teresa the wrong way.
    I wish that others would remember the simple phrase my grandma taught me as a little girl, “If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say it at all.”
    Bethenny is my favorite, T. She trumps you, sorry… you lost a fan! Shame on you,
    OWN your mistakes.

  53. FredTheCatTravels says:

    I’m betting that Teresa will claim ignorance of Juicy Joe’s financial mess.

    It looks like the bulk of their debt comes from JJs poor business acumen.

    As far as Teresa lashing out at Bethanny, it makes sense.

    After all, her life as she knew it has been completely turned upside down. I’m sure she is in a really bad place right now.

    I know I’d be.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      Hi Fred! Haven’t seen your name in a while but could have missed it. I had noticed it before because of the “cat”. LOL! Fred must really get around! 😛

      • FredTheCatTravels says:

        FJF, Fred The Cat is my beloved deceased Siamese and he did travel quite a bit with me.

        He was my heart:)

        • A former Jill fan says:

          My sympathies on Fred. It’s hard, I know. The 2 I adopted on my own (considered myself their human mom) have passed. My first, I completely fell apart. The second was a special angel sent to me by God, a blind a deaf kitty I named Baby. We put her to sleep at age 18 as she was suffering and I felt like I was killing my own child. 😦

          That was last year. It is hard…

          But we always have the good memories. 🙂

    • CarrieCinKY says:

      I agree, Fred! I really don’t think T knew what was going on with the family finances…. seeing her pull out that wad of money last year showing off- I just had a feeling it was going to come back and bite them.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


      I may be way off base but I thought I saw a link somewhere that stated many of the properties are in Teresa’s name. Wouldn’t Teresa have to be aware of what is going on if the properties are in her name. IDK how that works in NJ so I’m just asking. My property is in my name and I know exactly whats going on because anything to do with my property is addressed to moi.

      • FredTheCatTravels says:

        I don’t know but you would think she would be aware.

        I just see a lot of jealousy on Teresa’s part. Financial atom bombs like that have destroyed even the strongest of marriages.

        Bethanny is now where Teresa was ten years ago; successful career, new marriage, new mother, etc.

        Teresa also seems like one of those women who when they marry, will never go back to work again for any reason.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          I have to agree, just because that kooky Lynne Curtain claims ignorance, doesn’t mean all of these housewives don’t know anything about the finances.
          In fact, my guess (again this is my guess)is that Teresa would be the one who sat down and wrote the checks to pay the bills or paid them on line. I just can’t see Juicy Joe sitting down and writing checks. Who knows?

          • FredTheCatTravels says:

            The more I think about this, the more I bet Teresa and Juicy Joe have money buried in the back yard.

            Teresa has a book on the NY Times best sellers list. She has to make more than $40,000 a year from Bravo.

            Also, what is up with the $10,000 a month from family members? Who does that?

            That puts their income at almost $200,000 a year and I bet with Teresa’s REAL income it is higher.

            I smell a rat. Who can’t pay their bills on $200,000 a year?

          • error 404 says:

            Lynn, you just solved the riddle! She thought he was paying the bills, and he thought she was, that’s why none of their bills ever got paid. It’s all just a big innocent misunderstanding.

  54. HD says:

    I am really shocked by the direction these blogs have taken in the last few days……..

    Three more shows…three more shows….three more shows….

    • Cleo's Mommy says:

      I don’t get it either.

      Someone asks you a question, you take the time to answer the question and the person who asked it, accuses you of “bringing over” crap from thread one thread to the other.

      I was asked why I didn’t think A Chandler was harmed. I answered the question honestly, though perhaps a little snarkily. I thought people here like snark. I thought

      “I assume that no real harm was done, because to paraphrase @kikilet someone is making lemonade that smells like cat pee out of oranges.”

      Are we only allowed to snark at the people the people on this blog don’t like? Or is it okay to snark at Jill Zarin related issues that we find ridiculous i.e. the whole idea that amazongate harmed anyone other than Jill Zarin?

      • HD says:

        Actually I think people through that word “snarky” around a bit too much since watching the Real Housewive NY. Sometimes what people think is witty is actually just straight up being a bitch. I am the queen of digs, I can get them in with the best of them (which is why I love Bethanny) and I know a dig and I know someone just being bitchy.

        I have ran forums, been an admin at forums and no matter what there will be drama amongst the members but I feel like who cares for this matter, we only have three more weeks of shows, the show is basically over, let’s all hate Jill and who cares about the other stuff. It is not that deep and certainly no need no argue or truly even care about personal b.s. This is about Jill. Keep the main thing the main thing. In three weeks will any of this matter. Nine times out of ten the answer is no. Trust me. Been there, done that, got a t-shirt.

        • HD says:


        • Cleo's Mommy says:

          My post was very sarcastic, but that sarcasm was not aimed at any individual on or off this board, it was focused on the brouhaha around amazongate, and it very accurately communicated why I believe the only person harmed by amazongate was Jill Zarin.

          What I meant to say, but screwed up with the cut and paste is that I thought my comment ““I assume that no real harm was done, because to paraphrase @kikilet someone is making lemonade that smells like cat pee out of oranges” was funny.

          Still do.

          Always will

          • A former Jill fan says:

            I see. But A. Chandler was harmed monetarily by jill because jill and someone else connected to jill harassed Chandler on Amazon and through personal emails and Chandler was advised by authorities to step up her security. That took money.

            I agree that Jill’s rep has suffered possibly irreparable damage by what she has done.

        • CarrieCinKY says:

          I agree, HD… well said. : )

          • LynnNChicago says:

            I have seen Alana Chandler’s name come up quite a bit now, and I haven’t said anything but I think it is time to leave that alone.

            No one here knows what Ms. Chandler went through during that ordeal. She mentioned that there were additional private emails that she never released to the public. We don’t know if she reported it to authorities and how much of her personal time she spent on this. I’m sure it was stressful and extremely uncomfortable for her. I don’t think we should speculate and say that no harm came to her, we simply do not know. One thing that we do know is that she was an innocent bystander who was dragged into this mess without warning. No one deserves that. I don’t think we should minimize what we don’t know anything about.

      • desertgal66 says:

        I have to agree that AmazonGate did more harm to Jill than it did to A. Chandler.

        Now, mind, I’m not saying that A. Chandler doesn’t have the right to be hurt and upset over Jill’s remarks. She absolutely does. But, the end result is that A. Chandler looks like a smart, savvy woman who can hold her ground and expose fraudulent behavior, and Jill looks like a duplicitous, sneaky moron with a wide streak of unreasonable nasty.

        • Shadowsnomore says:

          But, unless we know A. Chandler we can’t say for sure damage wasn’t done to her. Once the race card is played or someone calls you a bigot it’s hard to defend yourself against that. Even if there are retractions and people are exposed, some people may now read her reviews with an skeptical eye. They may look to find something they feel can be taken as racist or twist them to make it sound that way. And, someone who doesn’t keep up to date on the facts, may have read the things Jill wrote and not follow through to find out the truth and facts. I believe that is why Lynn was so upset by Maria yesterday.

          • desertgal66 says:

            Wait…I didn’t say that damage wasn’t done to A. Chandler. I said I believe the whole thing caused MORE damage to Jill than to Ms. Chandler.

            It wasn’t my intention to minimize Ms. Chandler’s distress at all.

          • Cleo's Mommy says:

            Hi shadows,

            I got a question. You say that since we don’t know A. Chandler we can’t say for sure whether damage was done to her.

            And yet we don’t know Jill Zarin either, yet I lost count of the amount of people here yesterday – and I’m not saying you were one of them because I don’t remember – but anyway there were a lot of people here saying with utter certainty that Jill was lying about receiving threats, that she did it to get attention and in reaction to the success of Lynn’s cocktails with the McCord-Van Kampen’s.

            People make statements about Jill’s actions, motivations, etc’s repeatedly here and I have never seen you or anybody else say “Now we don’t know Jill so we can’t be certain that she’s in her hotel room in Boston crying her eyes out because…”

            Now don’t get me wrong, I hate Jill Zarin, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander – so if drawing conclusions about people we don’t actually know and situations that we have no firsthand knowledge of is wrong when we’re talking about someone other than Jill Zarin, then it should be wrong to do if we’re talking about Jill Zarin.

      • MAMAZ says:

        Cleo’s Mom – You are allowed to snark at anyone you want. This is Lynn’s blog not Strega’s. Lynn hasn’t deleted any of posts and keeps saying that everyone is free to express themselves here. She never promised that everyone else would like what anyone has to say.
        HD – I think the direction of these blogs is based on what is being said on other blogs and in the press. Maria Diaz slammed Lynn. Theresa slams Bethenny, Perez slams Bethenny and Jill, Kelly slams everyone but Jill and LuAnn. Jill slams anyone who doesn’t adore her. How are we supposed to comment? With rainbows and lollipops ala Kelly? I comment on another forum about the oil spill. I talk about the tar balls and sludge washing ashore because that’s whats happening. It’s been a busy weekend for the HWives in the press. And then people on here started firing at each other. I normally try to stay out of the in fighting but there was a lot of infighting the last couple of days.

        • Cleo's Mommy says:

          Hi Mamaz,

          I wasn’t talking about what Lynn allowed people here to do, I was talking about how you were treated by others for doing so.

          I’m just wondering if this is going to be one of those places where if you don’t share the party line, people attack or don’t respect you.

          I’ve seen it happen on other types of boards I’ve participated on. I hope not, but maybe it’s unavoidable.

          • mia says:

            I had someone attack me on this site for disagreeing with sending cards. They were talking about it up to last week. Only two people defended me. I think some people on this site don’t want varying opinions on here. Some do. People act like everyone here is in for respectful debate, but that’s simply not true.

      • jb8 says:

        We like good snark, witty snark not nasty snark. Some of the new residents of the blog haven’t caught on yet. We will just skip over their comments until they learn better.

        • Cleo's Mommy says:

          Well one man’s witty apparently is another man’s nasty, because I don’t think my response to fire ‘n ice’s question was mean in the least and I did think it was funny.

          It was the type of sarcastic humor that I’ve been paid a lot of money to write. But I know I’m not everybody’s cup of tea or skinny girl margarita or kellade.

    • ridicurhony says:

      I’m almost speechless, but not quite. Think I’ll have my say and then get back to work here. When it takes 2 hours to read what happened an hour ago, then you start missing what’s going on NOW. lol. I have no interest in going back to whenever this blog started and reading everything that got said, I thought it would be fun just to engage in the moment. It was for a while.

      Think I’m going back to lurking sans comments or just plain take a break. Have fun Thursday night!

      • A former Jill fan says:

        Agree ridicurhony. I’ve had my say and not going back now. 🙂

        It’s almost time to start dinner already! Geesh! 😮

        • Shadowsnomore says:

          desertgal66, I meant no offense. Just stating my own opinion. I agree that Jill came away with the most damage.

          • desertgal66 says:

            No offense taken. 🙂

            Honestly, I wasn’t attempting to make light of A. Chandler’s feelings, and I sincerely apologize if it came across that way.

  55. CdnFillie says:

    Having a boring day at work…I love having the time to catch up with this blog. Am I a lurker or a troll? Never sure about that, but I love all this stuff, it’s taking my mind off the tornado damage around my area .. luv ya all

  56. Hooked On Housewives says:

    Good morning Lynn. Good morning everyone.

    Supercalifragilisticexpialidosous(sp) blog girlfriend. I haven’t read one post yet today but I had to comment on how on point I think todays blog is. I honestly got off this blog last night thinking that there is a mean, hateful, spiteful alcoholic sitting at a computer somewhere spitting venom and daring someone to dispute her. I think we all can get crazy from time to time but some stuff is just way out of proportion to the subject at hand. And yes, I still hate Jill Zarin.

  57. lillybee says:

    I am wondering if the 79k income Theresa and Juicy claim is including her Bravo income. I thought that Bravo paid decently.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      They claim she gets a little over 3,000 a month from BRAVO. I thought they got a lot more than that.

      • MickeyMouth says:

        Wow, so that’s what the cost of losing your reputation is going for nowadays. Jill sold it cheap if you ask me.

      • Cleo's Mommy says:

        That 3000/month figure is based on a full year, but they’re not filming and doing publicity the whole year. So they are actually making considerably more than that per month or per episode or however they’re paid. So she was paid 39K only worked three or four months for that money.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          Cleo’s how do you know that? Just curious

          • Cleo's Mommy says:

            Hi Lynn,

            I just deduced it based on what I did know.

            They listed their annual income (or at least their declared income wink, wink) as 79K. The form had a place for monthly income as well so they broke that total down by monthly for each.

            We also know that RHONJ doesn’t film the entire year, and while it’s possible that they are paid out over the course of the whole year, I’d find it unlikely. I’ve worked on entertainment productions and I’ve always been paid during the course of production, weekly, bi-weekly whatever. So I assumed that they just divided her RHONJ payments by 12 for the purposes of the form, even though the payments were probably made over a shorter time-frame. I’ve done the same thing on credit card applications when they ask for monthly earnings, I divide my annual earnings by 12 because of the income stream of the type of work I do isn’t paid out in 12 equal monthly installments.

            I don’t know if they’re salary is based on the full season, per episode, or how that money is paid out.

            I assumed that the full 40K she claimed was HOwives money because 2009 she was filming the second season, and I actually thought they would make more than 40K the second season, but maybe not. Maybe they make less and that 40K figure included her book advance.

            But a book advance would be broken out into installments based on the delivery of the book, not paid out on a monthly basis either.

            Again it’s just a deduction on my part.

        • anutha hata says:

          I also noticed that they left-out the advance for the book.
          Teresa says that she spent about a year writing it, and Hyperion Press was owned by Disney last time that I checked. (don’t know if they still are, but they are a backed by big$$)–usually authors receive a large advance before they even begin writing.
          Even-if they didn’t, which is unlikely, they left-out the anticipated income on the financial statements.
          They also left-out fees earned from personal appearances, like the Atlantic City casino show that all the NJ wives did except Danielle. Also, Teresa’s line of ($35.) children’s hair accessories.

    • PFinFL says:

      I thought when the OC ladies were on someone reported they were getting 90k. I also saw an article that the Atl hw’s NeNe & that blonde one (sorry, can’t remember her name)…are asking for more money and Bravo is interviewing….lol

  58. Morgaine Swann says:

    Are the posts out of order again? Seems like the same one stays at the end and others appear above it. Anyone else seeing that?

  59. jb8 says:

    Well I for one am grateful to have found your website. So many like minded people all in one place, venting about a TV character’s misdeeds. It was fun, relaxing and supremely funny. Then the snarky people found it, the people who have nothing good to say about anything. Maybe they are lonely and think everyone else is too. Since we can’t stop them joining our ranks, I have learned to just scroll past their snark.

  60. ImaJillHater2 says:

    Hi Lynn,

    Could you please expand upon the following narrative in your blog?
    “Of course we asked Alex about Kelly’s behavior on St. John and to explain what the ladies were all saying about her behavior being ten times worse than what we saw. She reiterated what Bethenny said, that if they continued to film and/or aired more of what went on, there may have been severe consequences for Kelly.”

    Specifically, would you please address “…if they continued to film and/or aired more of what went on, there may have been severe consequences for Kelly.”

    What potentially “severe consequences” for Kelly where they referring to?
    I must say, my initial reaction to KKB’s behavior was that it was caused by drug
    use. My next impression was that it was bonafide mental illness. However, after viewing several videos in which she is lucid, coherent and engaging I am back to thinking there is a drug issue.

    Did the producers ask her to leave b/c she was a danger to herself and/or others? B/c they were concerned about her safety? B/c she was disruptive? Was she violent? On what grounds was she asked to leave?

    I’m getting the feeling that there’s a “gentle-ladies” agreement to not specifically identify the source of the behaviorial problems.

    Thank you & thank you for your blog. I’m a avid reader & sometime contributor & really do enjoy it.

    • Kats says:

      I could be dreaming or not remembering this correctly – but didn’t Ramona suggest while doing promos on some show before the season started that Kelly actually got physical with one of the HW’s might have even eluded to it being with Bethenny? Was this on the Wendy Williams show? I remember something like this being said. Anyone else?

      • Gingers poo says:

        Wendy said it, not Ramona.

        I have no doubt Kelly got even crazier that what we saw, since Sonja, Alex, Bethenny, and Ramona have all said so. They are not going to show stuff where producers had to get involved, and I am guessing, from their comments in blogs, that is what happened.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Good Question! Surprisingly enough, Alex said that they were not concerned about any physical harm. Apparently what they were concerned about was the reaction to Kelly’s behavior by friends, family and even authorities. She is a mother and there is that to consider.

      Kelly does have help with her children, not their father but other help, nanny’s, assistants, babysitters… It is true that their father lives in the building but I was told that he doesn’t play a big part in parenting them.

      What I found interesting as well was when Kelly told Jill and Luann that she felt that she had to “police” them, she made it sound as if she was policing them so that they wouldn’t gossip anymore, in fact, she kept coming back to the dining area many more times than we saw because she wanted to police them so that they wouldn’t discuss her behavior anymore.

  61. A former Jill fan says:

    Ice, I just emailed you and included my other email addy to use if you would please. 🙂

  62. Char12 says:

    I know this is completely off topic but a thought just came to my head. It wouldn’t surprise me if Perez Hilton is tweetmaxine. If I’m not mistaken they both live in California and I would imagine he does have a lot of time on his hands. Just a thought lol.

    • Margo Channing says:

      I always though Perez Hilton was one of the Davis boys, Greasy Bear or something or other? Anyone? The Douchbag of the two was on Patty Strangler’s show..Pullleeeeeze correct moi if I am wrong. Thanks

  63. Olivia says:

    There is “harm” and there is real harm.

    Amazongate did more to harm Jill Zarin than it did to the reviewer. Jill suffered from the lack of sales.

    Jill has been harmed by the loss of her “mother hen” reputation as it showed it was never real.

    Jill has been harmed by the outpouring of compliments issued on behalf of Alex. Even Alex admitted as much since she saw her own popularity rising.

    Jill has been harmed by her feud with Bethenny when many viewers saw her attempting to destroy the reputation of another person.

    Real harm is the outrage taking place along the Gulf Coast. Real harm is the continuing loss of jobs and income. Real harm is the squeeze exerted on each of us by financial institutions. Real harm is a terminal diagnosis.

    Anything related to the Real Housewives is harmless when put into context. It is just a show in a sea of other ridiculous shows that harms the culture with its excess.

  64. Kats says:

    Bare with me on the following I do think it’s something to consider/think about –

    I love this site and give Lynn major thanks and Kudooz for writing the blogs and allowing comments. This is a great sandbox for us to play in and I love all the comments, links and sharing of information (one stop shop). But the biggest perk for me is that I can give Lynn and her blog/site the web hits and activity vs. making comments or visiting the sites (FB or Twitter) of the vile people I don’t like (Jill, Kelly and Teresa). These 3 freaks are following the Kelly PR rule that any press is good press (or any attention is good attention). That is what Kelly said on the show.

    All 3 have demonstrated the same kind of behavior/actions that to me screams that they are desperate, very jealous and trying to get any kind of attention. While other HW’s might have their moments on the show, they have a life outside of the show and unlike these 3 they don’t make the PR and fame whoring a 24/7 never ending gig. While Jill, Kelly and Teresa never stop.

    For Jill and Kelly it’s the fame they seek and the jealousy they have that Bethenny got her own show was too much for them to handle. I think they both live in fear of losing their gig on Bravo and are so spoiled that they lack the ability to really be happy for anyone else. With Teresa in addition to the fame and jealousy issues we now know there is major financial issues. This explains a lot to me – the way Teresa lashed out at other HW’s, specifically going after the most popular HW – Bethenny – simply to the get the attention/reaction of all the people who follow Bethenny (look at Bethenny’s twitter followers vs. the other HW’s). I knew Teresa was up to something.

    I’m not a Marketing or PR expert but I know that all of this is monitored and measured (Bravo admitted this in that NYT article). Just because someone is getting bad or negative attention or press it’s still attention and people love to watch people they hate. I’m sure that goes into the logic of who is asked to come back for a new season.

    I refuse to feed these monsters and give them any activity or attention on their sites because again the attention (good or bad) is what fuels them.

    Lynn thank you for the great sandbox!

    • Kats says:

      Bare or Bear – I was not suggesting we get naked in the sandbox, well not yet 🙂

    • Jenni says:

      Great point! One of the things that I am just not able to do is click on the facebook button that implies I “like” them in order to make a comment on their pages!

      • KLAS says:

        I agree Kats and Jenni. For me the very idea of visiting Jill’s, Theresa’s, or Kelly’s personal web pages makes my stomach hurt.

    • katiecoo says:

      Great post Kats!

  65. Jennifer says:

    Ok just my 2 cents but 1. In perez’s article he is saying Jill is name dropping Dina cuz her show still on and pretending they friends when he implys they are not 2. Jill has accomplished her goal SHE is every where today not B and her new show so…..

    Just my thoughts

  66. Hooked On Housewives says:

    I’m just going to reiterate. Nomatter what Kellamity, Countless, Hairy harpr or anyone else spews, I still hate Jill Zarin. And if any of those listed above was the person who recently hacked into my personal accounts. F*ck you.

    ps. the hacking happened but I’m being overly dramatic. I’m quite certain it wasn’t a bravolebrity who did it.

    • Hooked On Housewives says:


    • A former Jill fan says:

      Hooked, are you serious? I’m so sorry! no, but it’s been subject of discussion-hacker is one her trolls. That’s why we’re trying to be ultra careful. I have the best protection available, but not all do.

    • Char12 says:

      You’re acct. actually got hacked? Mind if I ask you something. How do you know if someone has hacked into your pc? The reason I’m asking is I was going to sign into another site and i usually save my name but not my pw. When I went there there was another name already there

      • Hooked On Housewives says:

        I know I was hacked because the Visa fraud detection dept from my bank contacted me. Someone tried to purchase a car transmission with my card. Someone also ‘tried” to log in and change the password to my online banking account.

  67. iceNfire says:

    A former Jill – I screwed up on your addy so I sent to both.

    Does that make sense? Why can’t everyone just read my mind so I don’t have to type?

  68. otaypanky says:

    Thank you IceNFire…Thank you all…

    Just got back…I know…it’s tough to take critisizm like why did you post here or there…
    that whole third world control thing again.
    I’ll post on any public forum I care to…thanks.
    Don’t need the permission of ignoramuses to do so.
    that’s you cloe’s mom and rusty…
    feel sorry for cloe…

    real, real sorry for cloe.

    • Jenni says:

      Really wish you would stop with the personal attacks on other folks that comment. This is not the first time you have done so.

    • Shadowsnomore says:

      Try and play nice!

    • Rusty says:

      You keep stirring the pot.

    • iceNfire says:

      Welcome back otay
      I’ve always liked coming here to share and receive links and email addresses so we could contact those with some pull i.e. sponsors and NBCUNI.
      I love this blog and the freedom to post what I want. I will continue to post and email as I please.

      • otaypanky says:


        ur right…rusty suspect…

        blog crasher.

        • Jenni says:

          It is not your blog to accuse someone else of being a crasher. Please stop attacking the other people that comment here.

      • otaypanky says:

        go for it “ice”…feel free to be you and me…

        sorry…couldn’t help it!

        I’ll just ignore the trolls from now on.

        • viki55 says:

          I am kind of wondering who really is the troll. This has really been such a fun site for so long. Guess it was too good to last.

    • MAMAZ says:

      Otay I’m a fan. I defended you a few hours back. You are a great researcher and add a lot to our discussions here. I want to hear what you have to say about JZ and the othe H’Wives but please let’s not stir up the whole pot again.

  69. Jennifer says:

    Oh I also think Teresa is just jealous because B was preg and looks so good afterards and it took Teresa longer. There is nothin wrong with it taking as long as it takes to drop baby weight, Im just saying we all know Teresa is in direct competion with B and I think she is extra sensitive because she already got called out on the ‘stealing’ book title thing I.e. The skinny

  70. LadyLucilu says:

    CarrieCinKY says:
    Great point 🙂 totally respect your point of view….

  71. Margo Channing says:

    Lynn thank god for your blog and your infinite wisdom and contacts. I swear to christ, trying to post on Bravo blogs is a ridiculous waste of time, kind of like watching
    R(?)HoNY. Really?? Danielle and her skells come calling at a charity event? First of all that bitch would scare most children walking home from school! And what does she have, a freaking hotline to Convicts R Us? Did those thugs get paid by Bravo or Kelly’s money people? Too sick. But Teresa and her brand new gigantic ego has completely surpassed Danielle and her Disney-style witch character. And Teresa not only looks like a troll but the idea of (sorry moms out there and no disrespect) but Teresa’s kids are butt ugly. The idea that anyone, any REAL agency would use them as authentic models is a joke. At least Danielle’s daughter has real potential, probably got it from her father, poor bastid. Teresa and her inner and outer ugliness is just being magnified by her obvious jealousy of Bet and the fact that she is only fame-brained because of her well calculated and scripted table flip episode last season. She blatantly STOLE recipes and the idea for a book, what is it again? ‘Dumpy Italian Troll Recipes From Under The Bridge’!?!?!?!? She has surpassed in my mind anyway, any calculated dimwitted idea that Dan-skell could ever come up with. I mean, with Danielle it has become like a cartoon, I can almost see her rubbing her paws together cackling over some new Lucy x Ethel + Wylie Coyote idea she may have (lightbulb over head optional). But, I will say right now, none of the above will erase from my mind EVAAH that I HATE JILL ZARIN. …I JUST HATE TERESA ROLL-THE-DICE as well. Does this make me a “hater?” NO. HATE IS JUST ANOTHER 4-LETTER WORD LIKE JILL OR KELLY. Ahhhh, I feel so much better Lynn, all you guys. Thanks for letting me share, tear, rip, projectile barf my feelings here.

    • Mbdea says:

      Troll…LOL. I vote for calling that Jersey biatch Teresa-Troll. I KNEW there was something out there she reminded me of (those ugly little troll dolls w/ Don King hair) but I couldn’t put my finger on it. Thanks for helping me remember. Now when I see her, I will forever see a troll doll.

      As for the kids, well, while not blessed by classically good looks, they are cute (since cuteness is inherent in every child). I am thinking that perhaps what makes them unappealing is their spoiled little diva attitudes; the constant pouting, the whining, the blatant rudeness and sense of entitlement (mostly the oldest one). Sadly, Teresa Troll has created little monsters (in demeanor at least) and more appalling, she is proud of that.

  72. otaypanky says:

    from cleo’s mommy:

    “I am not suggesting that you limit your comments to this board, I am merely questioning why anyone who has not been directly attacked by Jill would engage her.”

    Listen brainiac…I did not engage anyone. I posted on a public blog.

    But let’s play it your third world way….

    I “engaged” jill first…then she attacked…

    get it now teresa?

    • Jenni says:

      Please stop attacking the other people that comment here.

    • Margo Channing says:

      OTAY! Bravo dahling and throwing you big smooches!

      • otaypanky says:

        Thank you sooo much Margo…great tag!!!!

        Big Hugs back!

        (((( ))))

        • otaypanky says:

          thank you too “ice” for reaching out…meant alot.

          • Quincy IL says:

            Otay… read the posts of people that you know appreciate your skills for now. I have to go to a running class (with 20 year olds so I always am dead last,) but when I come back I will try to write a parable about Jill on a farm for you. Trust me, she won’t like it.



  73. Maddiegirl says:

    Not sure if I should post this here or at the Jill’s harassment post. PopEater has an article on JZ going to the police. http://www.popeater.com/2010/06/07/jill-zarin-haters-police/#commentform

    I placed a couple of comments. One was something like, who feels harassed by a sympathy card. The majority of the other comments are anti-Jill.

    • Quincy IL says:

      With all of the problems that the police in NYC have with terrorism and crime, you’d think that a few sympathy cards would make their day. I’m sure they are searching for the people who sent those cards at this very moment.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      Guys – I don’t want to be argumentative, but Jill might be talking about something other than the sympathy cards. We know those were sent, but there might have been any number of other things sent to her that we don’t know about. It’s entirely possible it’s a coincidence that one came from Chicago. As well known as Lynn is, that might be used by someone else in Chicago as a smokescreen. It would be easy to drop something in the mail and let them assume it was from someone here.

      • iceNfire says:

        Or Jill is making the whole thing up. She has lied before.

      • A former Jill fan says:

        Sure it could be anything/anyone or nothing/no one at all, knowing Jill.

        In any case, I’m not worried about jill. After that “we rec’d threat” post, she posted where she’d be the next day. Apparently jill’s not worried about it either.

      • desertgal66 says:

        Very true. But, the fact remains, that IF Jill was threatened, and IF she did contact the authorities, their first instruction would have been for her to not discuss it publicly. Especially as publicly as Facebook and Twitter.

        Then, after posting that she is being harassed and stalked, she goes on to post about her future whereabouts. More than once. This is how she handles a stalker?

        I still hold the theory that Jill went over to Teresa’s Facebook and Twitter, saw how the love and support responses from folks about T’s bankruptcy woes, and decided she wanted a little of that action. A stalker was born.

  74. Shadowsnomore says:

    Okay, Is there a full moon tonight? Have we become like fellow co-workers who are sharing the same menstrual cycle and we are on the PMS rag right now? Has Jill Zarin released a nerve toxin on the blog sites that have infected some of us with bitchiness?

    I come here to have fun, laugh at comments and share in my frustration of Jill and her antics. I respect all of you even when I don’t agree with everything said. I thank you all for allowing me to express my thoughts, release my emotions and be the bitch I sometime am. I love this site and enjoy that it is a safe place for me to express whatever I feel. I don’t expect any of you to agree with me, like me or even to really read my post. Thank you to those of you who do.

    Please can we all follow Lynn’s wonderful advice in her post. Let’s have fun!

    • dee says:

      So funny you mention menstrual cycle, b/c that is exactly what I was thinking.
      In a sing-songey voice I was said to myself, “it’s somebody’s time of the month”.
      Or maybe it’s somebody who is really lonely that uses this forum and the same old tired argument to feel loved.
      Also, if one doesn’t respond, eventually the shit talking will stop.

      • Quincy IL says:

        That train has left the station. No hormonal excuses for my behavior. I will just have to listen to Lynn and follow her blog thread guidelines. Ah….the good old days, when I did have hormones. rotfl

  75. Cyn says:

    Have you noticed that the two people who came out and said that they needed a bodyguard against Bethenny (Teresa) and that Bethenny’s trying to kill her (Kelly) both have the I.Q. of a doorknob? (Sorry, doorknob.)

    Ladies – Bethenny is what you’d call SMART. Look it up sometime. Go to the library. It’s that huge building with books.

    • A former Jill fan says:

      True, Cyn! Anybody just has to look at the source there.

    • Sue says:

      I was thinking about this. If Kelly REALLY thought Bethenny was going to kill her why would she go ahead and eat Bethenny’s food? I would think with her paranoia she’d be afraid Bethenny poisoned the food. Maybe that will be Kelly’s next excuse for her whacked out behavior…..that she was poisoned.

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        I thought she was just picking at the food for that reason? I don’t think she actually ate anything – she just moved it around the plate. That’s why Ramona didn’t want that crabcake to go back to the kitchen. I could be wrong, but I thought she wasn’t really eating.

        • Sue says:

          But the salad dressing was AMAZING;) in Kelly speak. I think she was going to eat the steak though, but for Kelly a steak is not as good as jelly beans and lollipops…rainbows or unicorns. 🙂

  76. iceNfire says:

    Funny how all my google alerts refer to Jill contacting the authorities on Sunday. Guess nobody don’t realizes that she had nothing better to do since everyone was at Bethenny’s baby shower

  77. Robin says:

    I just saw a screen cap of the container of latkes that Jill gave B. I swear that is the same type of container that I get my chinese take-out in,Honest! I keep them for leftover’s and I compared it to the one I saw on the screen.Yup! Same container! 🙂

    Take Care,Robin

  78. otaypanky says:

    Thank you Quincy…always appreciated your skills also.

    Re: hormone….not only don’t I have them anymore…they gave me a drug to wipe out any last vestiges of them…that really sucked.

  79. A former Jill fan says:

    Ice, just responded to your email to my other addy. 🙂

  80. otaypanky says:

    Lynn…The blog is posting helter skelter like…and I’m just not referring to the people that are insulting the shit out of me.

    God Bless America.

  81. TLM says:

    Watching Season 2 of NY, which they are running today on Bravo. Does anyone remember when Luann said to Kelly, “What does it take for you to let your hair down?” and Kelly reached up and took a clip out of her hair and shook her hair out. Luann said in a confessional, “I was being metaphorical, and I don’t think she understood.” Wow, was that a sign of things to come.

    Saw an article with Teresa actually saying Bethenny naked in the PETA ad made her nauseous? http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/12/teresa-giudice-vomits-at-sight-of-bethenny-frankel-naked/ That’s hilarious, since Teresa makes me nauseous clothed or otherwise. Her face and drag-queen-worthy hideous makeup and hair, her complete lack of taste in clothing and everything else, and her vulgar mouth make her completely unlikeable. I thought she at least had smartened up enough to keep her mouth shut where Bethenny is concerned, and let Bethenny go one way while she went the other way, each promoting their own book. But I guess you just can’t keep a classless bimbo down. Teresa had to attack Bethenny, and it really wasn’t very good timing, nor very smart, since she desperately needs her book to sell. Because she and her husband are flat broke. I think by the time the NJ series ends, the Giudices will have moved into Caroline’s basement, having lost everything due to their overspending and deadbeat ways.

    How dare Teresa criticize Bethenny for having a nanny. Bethenny has a job that keeps her incredibly busy, unlike Teresa, who has decided to make shopping and playing dress up a full-time job. No one has questioned Bethenny’s love and dedication to her baby, or how special her daughter is to her. In fact, she recently was quoted saying that the Skinnygirl margarita will be paying for Bryn’s college fund. That’s how a parent should be thinking. The Giudice girls, in contrast, won’t have any money for college, but will apparently have a huge hair ribbon collection and will know how to make 180 jars of tomato sauce at a moment’s notice. That is, if they don’t have their periods. Is Joe thinking about that? No, he only wants to “make a couple more”, evidently to show that his junk still works, even if his brain doesn’t. Is Teresa thinking about that? No, she’s busy insulting and criticizing other people. Oh yeah. And shopping for more leopard-print crap.

  82. Shadowsnomore says:


  83. lillybee says:

    Does anyone think it is possible for Bethenny to sue tweetmaxine for the very nasty posts about Bethenny. The one in which maxine says that Beth hastened her father’s death is so over the top.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      I’ve wondered that, too. I do believe some of the things TweetMaxine says about Bethenny are libelous, but I’m not sure if she could show any financial loss from it. She might not be able to sue, but her attorney could certainly issue a cease and desist letter to her and to any of the services – Twitter, other web sites – that she posts on. That kind of talk is in violation of most standard Terms of Service agreements.

  84. Shadowsnomore says:

    Sorry guys. My post are all over the place. The AL SHARPTON thing….I had a temporary break in reality. For a while I thought I was on the “BITCHES R US’ blog site hosted by the queen bitch herself-Jill Zarin not the “I HATE JILL ZARIN’ blog site hosted by the ever lovey Lynn.

  85. otaypanky says:

  86. ilovelynn says:

    last seasons shows are on now and they are showing the one where all the ladies are meeting for jill’s “creaky joints” charity. god, why did we never realize what a bitch she was from the very begining! love your blogs, lynn. love all the details from saturday night, I am soooo jealous. just been lurking the past few days trying to catch up and everytime I go comment, someone else says what I’m about to say, only I would never say it as cleverly!

  87. Bee55555 says:

    When Season 1 of the Real Housewives of New Jersey premiered, Teresa was quickly my favorite housewife. As the first season progressed, the NJ franchise was my favorite. Now, it seems the tables have turned. Teresa has become rude, stubborn, inappropriate, selfish and mean. The RHONJ have slowly lowered on my favorite Real Housewives franchise list. I must say, I went to the RHONJ Season 2 Premier Party and Teresa seemed genuine and (dare I say) nice. Maybe she’s had some “Kelly Jelly Beans” or something. Besides, after the release of the news regarding her 11 million dollar debt, it would be smart of her to stop talking and tweeting for a while. Let’s get some of Jill’s advisors over Teresa’s house… or tent as the case may be.
    Great blog as always.

  88. iceNfire says:

    If I post down here will anyone see it?

    Shoot! now I forgot what I was going to say.

    • iceNfire says:

      Nope page gone wild! LYNN! We need you!

      • iceNfire says:

        Anyway – I saw that Hooked’s account was hacked but she didn’t specify if it was this account, all accounts, or a different account.
        Anyone else been hacked here?

        • A former Jill fan says:

          No. I have protection.

          I did get something from a link in a google alert, but my security caught and neutralized it. It’s hacker proof too.

          Everyone, please be careful with your email and the links you click on. If your pc isn’t protected (including anti-hacker protection) please consider getting it.

          Mine was about $70 for up to 3 pcs.

        • Morgaine Swann says:

          My Twitter account got hacked twice recently and I had to change my password there.

  89. boston02127 says:

    @Lynn~Excellent Blog. I don’t mean to carry b/s over from the last Blog. But sometimes when things seem to get out of hand I get nervous that you’re going to stop Blogging. Besides being and excellent and honest writer, you’re a smart and strong person, that’s what I like about you and it makes me keep coming back. Again, thanks for all your work.

  90. Ellabean says:

    Changing the subject for a moment

    I am still having scratch my head curiosity at the bizaareness of Kelly Killoren Bensimon.

    Something that I noticed repeatedly on various episodes of the show – this season and last – – – – she rarely is carrying a purse. I notice it so often when she shows up for things / events (usually late of course).

    Now hear me out on this: I had an adult friend in recent years – who was spacey like Kelly. In fact, I am sure she was self medicating. And she could be charmingly dizzy and spacey and sorta adolescent acting even in her 30’s. She never locked her car – just hid the keys in the backseat somewhere. She was constantly losing things: papers, money, her wallet. She rarely carried a purse. She was recently diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Disorder. And it totally fit. I was not surprised at all. This girl reminds me of Kelly.

    Now I see this picture that Kelly tweeted today on the streets of Manhattan “going to a meeting” (self absorbed and so grandiose that she is) :


    No purse.

    Uh – you don’t run around Manhattan WITHOUT a carry bag, a purse, a tote, etc. – – especially in walking cities – where you need to carry your stuff – lots of stuff usually.Most women have HUGE totes in NYC. For their keys, wallet, umbrella, etc. You don’t run around in a car like in the suburbs and jump in / out easily out of parking lots to your place of business. You NEED a purse ! Any kind.

    I strongly think that Kelly is ADD….and she can’t keep track of her stuff. So an assistant carries her “stuff” or she leaves keys with a doorman at her apartment.

    Call it trivial – but I notice little things this – – and I think they are telling. They speak of her dysfunction – – not ‘free spirit’. Take note of the purse thing on re-runs. Often not carrying one… running around in Manhattan. Crazy.

    And I believe the ADD shows up in all her odd behaviors….and her circle has viewed it as free spirit and charmingly spacey. They fed the beast – and no one has ever diagnosed it.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      I would bet that her purse is sitting next to the person taking the picture. Kelly is definitely flighty, but I’m sure someone off camera is watching her bag.

      The more I think about her, though, the more I’m convinced there’s actual mental illness plus drug use. I know a breakdown when I see one. I’ve seen them happen in mental hospitals and what we saw was real. If you watch the episode again, though, watch Kelly’s change in demeanor when she comes back with the jelly beans. She’s more drunk or high than manic. I do think she took a hit of something when she left the room.

    • sue says:

      Purses are so 1979. Besides only girls like Luann carry purses. Kelly prides herself on being a non-girl girl.

  91. otaypanky says:

    Lynn…the blog is not scrolling properly. hate missing the comments by all who wish to assert their constitutional rights while depriving others of theirs…gotta love it.

  92. HD says:

    I am so glad Rosie doesn’t have to work for Luann anymore!

  93. otaypanky says:


  94. Sue says:

    You know I really wonder if Jill wanted to become friends with Bethenny again just so she could be on B’s new show. It was announced in early October ( http://tvwatch.people.com/2009/10/06/bethenny-frankels-new-show-a-giant-elephant-in-the-room/ ) that she was getting her own show and RHONY stopped filming around Hanukkah/Christmas time i.e. the famous latkes and Ramona’s vows being renewed. Kind of interesting timing of when Jill starts “missing Bethenny”. I would not put it past Jill AT ALL that the sudden turn around about Bethenny was television media whore related.

    • Morgaine Swann says:

      That’s exactly what she wanted. She blew a prime opportunity to play yenta for B.’s wedding and baby and she could have done it all in front of the camera. That would have been great pr for the Jewish Mother book, wouldn’t it? Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg!

  95. A former Jill fan says:

    Well, guess it’s time to go post some links and comments to jill’s personal media…

    Be back later when Lynn has take care of the trolls…

  96. otaypanky says:

    go girl.

  97. KatZ says:

    Love your blog Lynn! I was reading the blogs on Bravo from Season 1 of RHONJ, and thought this statement was relevant…”I feel that if you sign up to do a reality show, there is a “public permission” granted to fans to write what they think (as long as it’s not vulgar or illegal.)”…from none other than Jill herself!

  98. Char12 says:

    Since things have gone haywire here I’m not sure if this has been posted yet but T admits to filing bankruptcy. Says it’s a “fresh start” http://www.tvwatch.people.com/2010/06/07/teresa-guidice-bankruptcy-court-bankrupt/

  99. TLM says:

    Teresa Giudice’s statement to PEOPLE magazine on her bankruptcy:
    “While this is a personal matter, I realize that certain aspects of my private life will always be subject to scrutiny and distortion,” said the Real Housewives of New Jersey star. “What is true is that due to the economy, most of my husband’s real estate ventures failed despite his hard work and effort. As a result, we looked to the Bankruptcy Court for a ‘fresh start.’”

    I say that those are Teresa’s words in the loosest sense. There is no way that illiterate airhead wrote one word of that statement. I am glad that all of their assets are being liquidated…they don’t deserve to screw their creditors and still continue to go on living as usual. And it absolutely is NOT a private matter when one declares bankruptcy. It is very much public. And I’d like to know how one “distorts” an $11M debt. It is now clear why this deadbeat was paying for everthing with cash when she filled her mansion with ugly furniture in a prior season: she couldn’t obtain any more credit, and she didn’t have a choice. (And what kind of explanation is it that she paid with cash because the “economy is crashing”, anyway?)

    I wonder if Teresa still thinks that used houses are “gross” because “some people aren’t very CLEANSINESS.” Looks like you better start buying a bucket and mop for your next house, Teresa, because it’s probably going to be a rental, and not a new one.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      The economy and not them living beyond their means is what caused them to file for bankruptcy? Bull$hit.

    • Char12 says:

      When I heard her say that she couldn’t stand the thought of living in a house someone else has lived in gave me a bad taste in my mouth. I bet Danielle is loving this.

    • Sue says:

      And even though they new they had this debt she still spent over $2k in kids clothes in one spree. It’s absolutely ridiculous. That Escalade alone is about $80k so why not sell it and *shock horror* a mini van. The fact that they are even holding onto that shows that status is everything to them no matter what they can really afford.

      • PFinFL says:

        Target has great children’s clothes too, Teresa!

      • Morgaine Swann says:

        They defaulted on the loan on the Escalade so I assume it was repo’ed. The payment on it was over 1,200 a month! That’s a shopping trip Teresa should have skipped.

        They’ll be claiming the shopping was just a gag for the cameras. That’s what she says in her cook book.

    • desertgal66 says:

      Teresa Giudice’s statement to PEOPLE magazine on her bankruptcy:
      “While this is a personal matter, I realize that certain aspects of my private life will always be subject to scrutiny and distortion,” said the Real Housewives of New Jersey star. “What is true is that due to the economy, most of my husband’s real estate ventures failed despite his hard work and effort. As a result, we looked to the Bankruptcy Court for a ‘fresh start.’”

      Oh, let me provide the REAL statement:

      “While this is a personal matter, I realize that, in indulging my overwhelming need for attention and self aggradizement by appearing on the Real Housewives of New Jersey, certain aspects of my private life will be subject to scrutiny. I will always pretend that other viewpoints are distorted, even though they are pretty close to the truth, and, in some cases, right on the mark. The economy notwithstanding, most of my husband’s real estate ventures have failed as a result of his less than savory business practices and my own ridiculous overspending and gratuitous collecting of crap. As a result, we looked to the Bankruptcy Court as a way to skip out on all our debts, so we can continue living in our pretentious McMansion and spending like inbreds released from Deliverance country.”

  100. bostonheidi says:

    Great blog. Teresa and Joe are definitely not the sharpest tools in the shed. I can’t find a reason for her public bashing of Bethenny (very like Kelly’s bashing of Bravo) except stupidity.

  101. Jennifer says:

    People and realitytea.com have Teresa’s statement confirming bankruptcy

  102. boston02127 says:

    I have to tread lightly on the Mom thing since I don’t have kids yet. I think Teresa’s kids would be lucky to have a nanny. It would be in their benefit to have an intelligent woman with a little class and common sense rubbing off on them.

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  104. otaypanky says:

    awaiting new blog. love reading ‘all’ posts before I comment.

  105. A former Jill fan says:


    is anybody out there?

    am i talking to myself?




    did everybody go to the new blog and leave me bymyself again?

    Geesh! Just because I pigged out on the popcorn!



    • A former Jill fan says:

      this is like the twilight zone…

      are the trolls gone yet?

      I’d better get off and get those sheets hung…



  106. TLM says:

    The abundance of holes in Teresa’s head led me to think about her delightful, ladylike discussion of Danielle’s “hole” and whether it’s as big as the Lincoln or Holland Tunnel, because “she slept with like 500 guys.” I still can’t even believe Bravo aired that one. So I thought I would do the math.

    Let’s assume Danielle was very slutty, like Teresa insists, and only preferred one-night stands. So that would mean she had sex 500 times. She also has 2 kids, and each pregnancy allegedly stretches out your anatomy more.

    So, according to Teresa, Juicy Joe has banged her every day — sometimes twice a day — I assume since they got married “at least 10 years ago” (I cannot locate an exact date). Plus she’s had four kids now. That’s 10 x 365 = 3650 times. Let’s say 10% of the time they went for twice a day. 3650 + 37 = 3687 times, plus four kids. So that’s 3150 times more than Danielle, plus 2 extra kids. So how big is it, Teresa? Can you fit a lampshade up there? You want to take it to that level?

    I am completely repulsed by this woman and her childish, vulgar mentality and complete inability to express frustration, anger, or even the proper names for body parts to a physician. (“Ummm…I want bubbies”). Nor does she seem to know basic words like “clean”, but comes up instead with “cleansiness.” As big as your chuckie may be, Teresa, the vacant space between your ears is still bigger.

  107. TNBelle2 says:

    OH SNAP stop the presses STOP THE PRESSES. Hey everybody I now know what it is. I had an epiphany. After seeing the side by side photos of T. Giudice and B. Frankel Hoppy, and viewing the really hated one Jill. It is a conspiracy of Jill with Teresa. Jill promised Teresa she would PAY have her Planet Of The Apes hairline threaded back to look like Bethenny’s. If she would take some of the heat off of her tacky behind and attack Bethenny. After all Jill said she made Bethenny and got her the job on the Bravo network. Now that T. Giudice non-paying behind can’t afford anymore cosmetic procedures as this would be another huge expenditure for a creditor to claim. It would cost more than all of her charges combined.

  108. WindyCityWondering says:

    Having watched the various housewives shows, does anyone see a pattern?
    One you love to hate, one that is too dittzy and needs fantasy life, one that is career driven and snarky, one who is all about her family first and one who seems to be the judge of all others???? I’d love to see all the shows Queenbees on one show!

  109. Sofi says:

    Anyone watch Kate plus 8’s new show? She casually refers to hate mail and threats she has received in the recent past in a manner that is in sharp contrast to Jill’s nutty tweetings. Kate’s comments seem normal and reasonable (and Kate is a lightning rod for controversy).

  110. Squirrels says:

    You know? I got about 3/4 of the way down the blog and couldn’t read anymore.

    You know, I got ¾ the way down the blog and couldn’t take anymore.

    Lynn, you have one rule and that rule is no one…. NOONE is allowed to bash another poster under the guise of disagreeing with other’s opinions.

    It’s not a gray thing. It’s not a misunderstanding type deal. It’s all or nothing. While I understand shutting down one who is snubbing her nose at the simple rules may bring heartache and most certainly retribution, the reality is, we all came here with an agreement. -to be given the opportunity to speak our minds without fear of personal retribution in any form. Once a reply comes across the desk in the form of personal attack? His/her post is to be removed (when you can of course).

    It’s now 5:33pm PST, and the shit has been going on all day. As soon as said blogger gets a wiff of “I’m with you”…. She lands in the emerald city and continues to attack others, not in retribution in my mind, but in a clear, unadulterated, I’m important, you are not.

    Can I please get back to matters at hand here? I’m I out of line?

    You are our gatekeeper. A thankless job, no doubt.

    Kind regards

    • Kokuanani says:

      Thank you, Squirrels.

      These are my thoughts exactly. I composed an e-mail to Lynn regarding this, but the address given above for her doesn’t work. If anyone’s got it, please let me know.

      As someone who was “banned” twice from TWOP boards, I’m not real big on “rules,” etc. but I do think there are certain forms of conduct — ones we see on RHONYC and which have been displayed here [primarily the “you’ve been mean to me so now I’m leaving” bs] — that have no place on a blog. I’d REALLY like to see Lynn take this one step and discourage this behavior.

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  112. Loveit says:

    LOL, OMG, Teresa Giudice’s Twitter is suspended. Is it possible she did not pay her twitter bill? Knowing T, she alone could manage to rack up some charges in an environment that is free.

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