I Hate Jill Zarin Reunion Part Two June 15, 2010

Hate Jill Zarin                      Reunion Part Two            June 15, 2010

Do you suppose the reunion was the first time that Luann realized that she didn’t have a storyline whatsoever this season?  It is actually comical when Luann has the floor and that booming voice goes into a story or tells her point of view but as she finishes, even she realizes her monologue is irrelevant and explains absolutely nothing!  Luann is second string, support staff, an assistant, a caddy if you will, carrying Jill’s make up case around New York City.  She spoke a few times but may as well have said the Pledge of Allegiance for all that she added. 

Tonight started out with more about Jill Zarin.  Clearly we’re not going to get the satisfaction we’re looking for because all Jill keeps doing is denying, then admitting, then apologizing.  This same pattern we’ve seen throughout the two hours we’ve seen so far.  Jill should add an apology at the end for all of the denials, (lies) then for too many insincere apologies. 

If I thought for one minute that Jill Zarin was truly sorry and was trying to change, I would shut down this blog right this minute.  The problem with Jill is she never knows when to shut her mouth!  (or to stop typing) 

Jill said that she was sorry for the way she acted at Ramona’s True Renewal launch, she was sorry for the way she treated Bethenny, she was sorry for her snide remark about Sonja.  The one person she never apologized to was Alex.  I’m sure no one is holding their breath.  Yes, she said she didn’t mean it, when she called Alex ugly but I don’t remember hearing an apology.  I think that was a well thought out plan to ensure she never apologizes to Alex. 

The problem is that Jill Zarin tweeted during last Thursday’s show making more excuses and pointing out her cast mates bad behavior (in her mind) Jill has proven time and time again that she has not changed.  She said it to Bethenny at Ramona’s vow renewal ceremony that she cannot change.  That was the most honest thing that Jill has said all season.  So what are we left with?  The real Jill Zarin is a horrible person who is jealous of her friends’ success and insults everyone with the excuse of trying to be funny.  Jill tries to get her cast mates to not film with another cast mate, contacts the press with stories about her cast mates, tried to sabotage Bethenny’s new show, she acted like a spoiled 4-year-old and still is, here is her post on her own web site:

“I will post my blog on bravotv.com here after the show airs. I wish Bravo would show the “tape” because they continue say things that are NOT TRUE! I am home watching the show with Bobby, Ally and Jonathan on “the bed”. Love you all! Jill”

Jill’s denials using the excuse that she can’t remember are getting really old!  No one has that poor of a memory!  We know for certain that Jill has a great memory, she remembers every single nice thing that she’s ever done for anyone so that she can throw it in their face or collect on the debt later.  Her memory is selective, her lies are abundant! 

Jill tried again and again to say she doesn’t want to talk about it anymore and she wants to look to the future and move forward.  Jill doesn’t like who she was back then but has no real reason for her behavior.  Jill, isn’t the whole reason for the reunion to rehash and discuss what happened throughout the season?  Call me crazy, but your ass is on the pink couch to discuss your behavior back then, so spill it!  

Andy reads another question for Jill trying to get her to explain her horrendous behavior yet again but this time Betheny puts a stop to it and said Jill had taken enough hits and it’s time to move on.  When Andy pauses, Luann chimes in with, “who is that question from?”  Huh Luann?  You want to know the viewer’s name that sent in that question?  Pay attention, please!   At this point Jill stands up and starts to storm off again.  Why now Jill?  Bethenny just got you off the hook and Andy may just back off now. 

There are still questions that I would like answers to but I doubt they will ever get answered.  What was on the entire voice mail message that Bethenny left for Jill and why didn’t Jill let us hear the entire thing?  Jill said a few different times that Bethenny scares her, what does she mean by that?  Jill said she backed off trying to make up with Bethenny so as not to cause Bethenny any unnecessary stress.  What about showing up on St. John when Bethenny was newly pregnant and had just buried her father?  Jill didn’t think that would be stressful for Bethenny? 

We did learn that Bethenny had some medical issues during the early stages of pregnancy, she briefly mentioned a blood clot and that she was put on bed rest for a few weeks.  We also learned that Bethenny’s mother chose to contact her daughter while Bethenny was in the hospital and was trying to remain stress free.  I would like to know more about B’s mother and whether or not they have gotten together since Bryn was born.  There are still going to be plenty of questions left unanswered. 

In the end, Jill still wants to blame editing, she wants to blame her cast mates, the fact that there is no film available to show the truth and she wants to storm off the set every time the conversation doesn’t go her way.  Everyone has seen the show Jill, we know what we saw and we know what you said Jill Zarin! 

So even when we still haven’t gotten to Luann at all, Andy introduces the straw that stirs the drink, Sonja Morgan.  There is a long conversation about sex and it was pretty dull to be honest.  Who would have thought a sex dialogue would have been so dull.  The few highlights were Andy asking Kelly about one night stands and Sonja explaining to Kelly that even if you date someone for weeks, you may still end up with a one night stand.  <wink wink>  Kelly responds to sexual discussions similar to the way a 13-year old girl would.  She becomes shy and uncomfortable and for a 41 year old woman, she seems very immature. 

They did get into Kelly’s behavior on their trip to the Virgin Islands.  I’m SO sick of Kelly calling it scary island, that really is offensive to people who live and work there, to people who were born there, to the people who tried to make that trip wonderful for these women by serving them, cooking and cleaning for them, it is just thoughtless! 

The problem with this entire discussion was that everyone was speaking over one another and it was really frustrating for the viewer.  Andy did try to stop Bethenny, Ramona, Alex and even Sonja from talking over each other and Kelly.  If someone hadn’t seen the show all season and just watched tonight, it would look like these four women ganged up on Kelly because they all seemed to be yelling at Kelly at the same time.  This surprised me because I really thought that they would have the sense to let Kelly speak and then one at a time, have their say.  It seemed like that is the direction that Andy was going in but none of them could keep quiet long enough to finish any discussion properly. 

Kelly did get to go on and on about the same crap she has been tweeting about for weeks.  She was bullied, systematically bullied.  Bethenny even asked for an explanation of this term, “is this a medical condition?”  According to Kelly, this has allowed her to bring this national problem into view and she is now  an advocate for people who get bullied.  The show has allowed her to be more charitable.  Is tweeting and creating You-Tube videos changing the world?  I don’t think so! 

Kelly, rather than telling us what you’re going to do about it, why not tell us what happened, what REALLY happened?   The problem is, I don’t think she can.  She lost her mind, she isn’t going to admit that, she isn’t going to admit that she was on drugs, that she forgot to take her meds or that she is just insane!  None of the speculating we’ve done will ever be resolved. 

Kelly said that she was forced to go on the trip and Andy Cohen said not once but three times that Kelly was not forced to go adding “Jill and Luann weren’t forced to go by the way.”  That whole thing is insane!  I would love for Kelly to point to the Bravo/Shed Media executive who forced her to go on this trip and get his or her side of the story.  I believe that she may have been strongly encouraged to go, I would guess that even her own “people” wanted her to go for more air time.  It is clear to me that if it was part of their contract and they were required to go, Jill and Luann would have been there as well. 

She says once again that she had a break-through, she claims that she was so beaten down by these women that it resulted in her unbelievable behavior.  Kelly actually apologized to Sonja for including her in the four people who bullied her, finally admitting that Sonja was the one person who hung out with Kelly on the trip.  Andy asks Sonja for her side of the story and Sonja explains that while she was looking for a one night stand on St. John, Kelly was the buzz kill who dragged everyone down.  Ok, that never happened but it would have been funny.   The conclusion that Sonja seemed to come to was that if the women started to talk about feelings, Kelly couldn’t handle it and began to insult everyone and talk over the other ladies.  This is when the ladies began to “gang up” on Kelly. 

When four women see things happening one way and one woman sees things another way, it is clear to me that the four women have the story right.  Sonja basically said that they just wanted to have some fun and Kelly continually stopped that from happening. 

Kelly’s story is that they were nice to her one minute and mean to her the next.  What she leaves out is her vicious comments in between.  It never occurred to her to ask herself why they are suddenly mean?  Maybe it is something you said, Kelly, like “zip it” or “you’re a cook, not a chef” or “ho-bag” and on and on.  Do you suppose the change in the ladies treatment of Kelly could have anything to do with that?  Maybe in Kelly’s mind, they really were bulling her.  She doesn’t realize that she is insulting people. 

To have all of the ladies on the other couch yelling at the same time or making snide comments or asking questions in the middle of Kelly’s speech made no sense.  I really did expect better.   Andy could have handled that better.  Let Kelly tell part of her story then ask one of the women for their side.  Maintain some order Andy Cohen! 

No one is going to convince Kelly that she wasn’t bullied, although everything was recorded and Kelly watched the same thing we watched, she still doesn’t know what went on.  The way that Kelly left the island was never brought up and may never be brought up.  Since there are two different stories out there, and although we all know the truth, I would guess that since the ladies all agreed (on camera) to allow Kelly to say it was her decision to leave.  While they have all since come forward in the press and explained what really happened, Kelly was asked to leave by producers. 

Kelly said that she is using her experiences on that trip to bring attention to a few issues like bullying and unprotected sex.  Andy tried to sum up what Kelly had just said, and he did it pretty well.  Kelly then did a complete turn around and said, “No Andy”.  Even Jill said to Kelly, “but that’s what you just said!”  Kelly doesn’t know what she’s saying and she cannot process correctly what she hears. 

Kelly claims that she called her agent after the very first lunch on the yacht asking to go home and was told no, you have to stay there.  Could this be what Kelly means by being forced to be on the trip?  Could it have been Kelly’s own people who forced her to go?  I cannot see Bravo/Shed Media people forcing Kelly to do anything she didn’t want to do.  Kelly skipping with glee when she caught glimpse of the yacht says it all! 

I know eventually they will get to Luann and her bit part in the show, I’m sure they’ll talk about her dates and her song and we’ll all fall asleep but I suppose that’s the price we have to pay. 

We’ll see what is left to discuss on Thursday, while Jill may tell you all it is on Sunday, don’t believe her! 

Jill has shut down her Facebook page, she claimed (on Twitter) that it was getting “spam”.  I’m not going to define what “spam” is for Jill Zarin but negative  comments that Jill doesn’t like are not “spam”.  In any case her blog is up on JIllZarin.com.  All comments posted there are supportive of Jill.  Here it is in its entirety. 

”To err human, to forgive divine”

Mon, Jun 14, 2010

Featured, Jill’s Blog, Latest News

Upon watching part 2 of the reunion this evening this saying is what popped into my head. So I ask you, where is the divinity amongst some of my castmates?

Self reflection and growth is always important. I am proud of how I came full circle this season. I realized the things I could have done better and attempted to correct them or sincerely apologize for them where I could. But I ask you, where is the forgiveness? At what point are enough apologies enough? What else can a person do to right a wrong? Why are some people’s apologies fully accepted immediately, yet mine seem to be falling on deaf ears? I feel like the first two parts of this reunion all that you’ve heard me say is “I’m sorry”. While I certainly am sorry about many things, what did I do that was so gregious that these women just do not have in their hearts to forgive? Or at the very least put aside and move forward? Does it seem to you that there is more here than meets the eye?

I have received so many letters from all of you that virtually beg me to stop apologizing. Well thank you for opening my eyes. I have apologized enough. I am going to be divine and forgive them for having such closed hearts.

I have so much in my life to be thankful for and that is my focus. This experience has enlightened me and energized me. I could not have gotten through this season without all of your wonderful support. Thank you for taking me into your hearts.

Visit me at here at http://www.jillzarin.com and http://www.secretsofajewishmother.com and let me know how you feel. I can’t answer every comment but know I will read them all..though it may take a little while!

I Love you all!



Yes, I agree, Jill’s apologies were out of control, there were too many, they were insincere and the fact that she needed to apologize so many times is what she should have focused on.  Why did Jill feel the need to apologize time after time?  Simple, because she was a hateful bitch all season!  She is right, many of the comments on her blog say the same thing, “stop apologizing”!  However, she controls the content of her web site and she controls which comments to post and which to block so naturally the comments are all in defense of Jill Zarin, proving once again that Jill thinks viewers and fans are stupid!  Jill still doesn’t get it, she has absolutely no idea how to deal with the public, seems to be scrambling to find a way to win back fans but ends up making everything so much worse.

This blog to fans is another pathetic attempt of Jill’s to make people feel sorry for her but it only makes her appear insincere.  She wants forgiveness but continues to defend her behavior, deny what she’s done…THEN apologizes.  How are we supposed to believe these apologies are sincere?  If for one second I felt like I wanted to believe her, she shot that down with her closing, “I love you all”.  Personally, I don’t think she loves me, do you? 

Kelly completely ignored the fact that the reunion aired last night.  Not one tweet about the show.  Could she be learning?  I doubt it!  She is in Los Angeles right now and tweeted about renting a car…thanks for sharing Kelly!

Bethenny and Luann never mentioned the show  on Twitter. 

Ramona’s Tweets:

Get my take on the reunion as I talk live with Andy on Watch What Happens Live!! Its coming on right now on Bravo!!

Getting ready @BravoAndy WWH have on my new jewelry for august HSN who’ll be watching!? http://tweetphoto.com/27297184

Tune in now for the 2nd part of our explosive reunion on Bravo! I got so mad at Jill you’ll have to see it to believe it!

There are a few previews up on Bravotv.com for the final installment of the reunion.   They discuss Kelly’s behavior on St. John some more, they talk about Luann’s song and we finally see Ramona blow up at Jill. 

Andy published an article on the internet yesterday regarding the Real Housewives of DC, it is here if you’re interested:


Until next time………..


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608 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Reunion Part Two June 15, 2010

  1. Olivia says:

    All I can see are those scenes the past few months of this season showing Lu Ann and Kelly rubbing Jill’s back and arms, planted on either side of her at an event like two sentries, and challenging other cast members to feel sorry for Jill. The whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.

    Stupid Kelly, off to St. John’s as the defender of this woman and causing an uproar in the process as she protects her “mentor” from perceived slights. Two faced Lu Ann, up in Bethenny and Alex’s face trying to make them remorseful about their behavior toward “poor Jill”.

    Jill running her mouth against Ramona for “not telling” her about Bobby Frankel’s death when we know she was fully aware of this during the same day when she e-mailed Alex but admitted again last night that her “sister in law” also notified her prior to Jennifer Gilbert’s party.

    Perhaps I am taking this much too personally but when someone has gone to the lengths she has to destroy another person it bears review. Jill Zarin is a snake. There is no other excuse for her behavior.

    • SUSAN says:

      You are so right!
      Does anyone remember that when Jill was at Alex’s house, and she (Jill) asked, “Is it medical?”, and “Is it her father?”, that she said, “I don’t know what their relationship is, but I’m sure it’s SAD. I’m sure she (Bethenny) is SAD.” If Jill was not acknowledging that Bethenny’s father was sick, then I don’t know what it is. Jill conveniently has selective memory.
      KNOW WHEN I REALIZED WHAT JILL REALLY WAS???? THE EPISODE WHERE THE VET CAME TO SEE GINGER, remember that? Supposedly that poor pup was sick, and what does our heroine do? She further upsets the dog by not only inviting a friend with her dog over, but A CAMERA CREW FILMING while the vet was there. What kind of a person does that to a pet that she claims to love? Poor Ginger was stressed so much that she had an accident. THAT DID IT FOR ME. Up to that point, I was getting the feeling that all Jill cared about was her “face time” on the show……but that episode really confirmed to me what Jill truly cares about, and that is Jill ONLY!
      When they got the news that Bobby’s thyroid was “clear of cancer”, remember how she said to him, “You’re lucky.” If I loved someone, I would have said, “We’re lucky.”
      No, Jill is just an awful person……narcisstic and selfish. Her tears seem to be just a fairly good ACT. After all, she has cried in almost every episode this season. CAMERA TIME, you know.
      Poor Kelly. I really can’t speak about her except to say that someone had better get her some help. Kelly and reality have become unacquainted this year, and I truly feel sorry for her.
      Susan R.

      • SUSAN says:

        If I’ve repeated anything already discussed……sorry! I am new to blogging. I don’t know why but Jill just evokes every bad emotion in me.
        One more comment about Kelly: I also thought that her psychotic break may be due to drug abuse (clue: she doesn’t drink much…….they say it ruins the “high”), but I’m not sure that is all of it.
        I worked in inpatient psych and she sure seems as though she is a paranoid schizophrenic. She has all the classic symptoms of a person with a “thought disorder” who is not being medicated.
        You guys know better than I, though, so I’ll defer to what you’ve all read or heard in the media.
        This is a fabulous website.
        Susan R. (again)

  2. cusi77 says:

    Good Morning Lynn!

    Thank you so much!

  3. otaypanky says:

    Thanks for recap Lynn…Another great blog.

    For everyone’s reading pleasure…another recap.


  4. Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:

    Lost in all the shouting was Jill’s delusional denial (& attacks) on Alex for not telling her Bethenny’s dad was seriously ill. Even though it is on tape & we’ve all seen it, Jill continues to deny that Alex ever told her anything about B’s dad & blames Alex for her (Jill’s) subsequent explosion at Ramona for not letting her know about B’s dad. This woman never stops.

    As for Kelly, she’s a mental basket case.

    • tuzentswurth says:

      True! Again verifies that Jill thinks everyone is stupid. Her behavior towards Alex at these reunion shows isn’t going over anyone’s head. Her attitude seems to be that Alex isn’t even worth acknowledging b/c after all…….she’s from Brooklyn….sooooo beneath Jill , she has no use for her, so she will just “show” Alex. Too bad Jill, Alex is enjoying success, from her own work. Reading the Bravo blogs gives me a real sense of the housewives who have the intelligence to actually write coherently and have education and ability behind them. Jill could NEVER make it on her own. She is and always was the worst kind of petty back-stabber. She hasn’t changed a bit.

    • kokuanani says:

      THIS is why I’m stomping my feet and stalking off the set: I want videotape!!!

      Hey, they’ve got the damn tape of these episodes. They clearly take breaks for lunch, etc. I realize they can’t be pausing to dredge up videotape every 5 minutes, but how hard would it be during a break to pick 2 or 3 “incidents” [Jill’s denial that Alex told her about Bethenney’s dad; the alleged “bullying” on the Ship of Doom], play a snippet, and then go back for comments?

      Of course, now that they’ve finished filming the reunion, this isn’t an option, but it could certainly be used in the final WWHL.

      • clevelandgirl says:

        I’m sorry. I blame Andy Cohen and Bravo for this nonsense. How hard is it to show clips from the show??? They have done it every other reunion. I think Jill made some kind of a deal with them to not make her look worse or something.

      • I totally agree. It would take me less than 10 minutes to go online and find that clip right now. If I can do it, surely someone on the reunion set could have done it. They were there for 9 hours, and they didn’t have time to find the clip?!
        I think they really dropped the ball on that one. They knew Jill was gonna come in denying everything and they should have had clips ready so that she would have to own the things she did, instead of making us listen to her non stop excuses and lies.

    • melissak says:

      Kelly is about to drive ME insane – I have dealth with her type before (my husband’s “ex”, and we fought her for custody of his daughter and WON – it just took a while for all the court liason’s to see the lunatic come out). The “satchels of gold” comment still makes me curious, so I did some searching, and wonder if anyone can make sense out of one of these options? 1) There is a “satchels of gold” chewing gum (little gold “rocks” of gum in a tiny draw-string “satchel). It was popular in the 50’s and 60’s, and still sold in some nostalgic candy stores. Since K loves candy so much, could this be what she was referring to??? 2) There is a video game called “Mouse Hunt”, where some of the mice occasionally ‘drop’ “satchels of gold” worth points or dollars or something like that. Is K a video game junkie? B is right – we may never make sense out of it.

  5. Amber...Real Wife says:

    She can’t stop apologizing because they keep putting her feet to the fire. Those apologies are empty and short lived, because she’s TEFLON JILL. Nothing sticks, everything slides off including the apologies.

  6. otaypanky says:

    Another poster informed us of this:

    Jill appeared on her sister’s radio show and stated that:

    Bravo and Bethenny concocted B’s defense of Jill to make B look good.

    Nothing this cretin said on the reunion tapings is hearfelt. But you all know that already.

    • Anitabee says:

      But then Lisa is a lawyer right? What a way to encourage Bravo to bring the beast back?

  7. Olivia says:

    I am so angry I could chew nails!

    This woman has spent the first 2 episodes of the reunion, with one more segment to go, apologizing for her behavior the entire season. Not an occasional lapse in judgement. The entire season! Who does that?

    She made Bethenny out to be an ungrateful beast whom Bobby had “given a roof over her head and food in her mouth” and portrayed her as the worst friend a person could wish for as she ignored Jill during her “hour of need”. She cast her in the role of an evil, conniving bitch who deserted her friends who “loved” her and went on her own selfish way betraying Jill at every turn.

    How can that be forgiven? She made up the whole thing then sought solace in the company of that two faced Lu Ann and demented Kelly who flanked her at every event casting themselves in the role of “protector”. I see her crying on the couch with Kelly holding her hand and telling her how much she “hates” Alex and all the while aware of the damage she was doing to Bethenny with lies. Weeping on the shoulder of Lu Ann after Ramona’s Tru Renewal event knowing full well that it was herself who put that scurrilous campaign into motion to destroy Bethenny at all costs.

    This woman is the most unhappy, ungracious, mean spirited, lying, hypocrite I have ever seen. And all for what purpose? Because someone else was getting more attention and opportunities she felt belonged to her. I cannot begin to express my loathing of Jill Zarin for the depths she was willing to go for the sake of Jill Zarin.

    My cup runneth over with disgust today after viewing her appearance last night when the truth actually came out. Amazing.

    • SusanS88 says:

      Olivia, get out of my head!!! I always particularly enjoy your insight (and many others too) as it so closely matches my own. That and the fact that I see you, as I so often find myself doing, looking for explanations as to why and what fueled what we are seeing. What we call in the medical business is what I think you and I share, which is a great “gut.” You see beyond the superficial to what the underlying cause is. This skill served me quite well as a paramedic for many years. Anyway, props to you for your insight and sharing your thoughts with all of us 🙂

    • tuzentswurth says:

      Jill doesn’t GET what everybody saw. B tried to amend the relationship, early on in a very true and heartfelt way. After all the kicks in the face from Jill, Jill’s obnoxious childish behavior, and the things she has been called out on during the reunion shows thus far, how can she not grasp that sometimes, no matter how close you were to someone, a line is crossed. The “friendship” will NEVER work again Jill. Say you are sorry, CHANGE, and move on with your life. Say “hello” if you cross paths with Bethanny, move along, and then leave her the heck alone, make new friends and treat them better. The divorce is FINAL. Deal with it.

    • BamaBelle says:


      I LOVE your posts!… It’s exactly what I want to say!

      I could chew nails, too. It’s unbelievable that at first, Jill denied telling Ramona, Alex and Simon not to film with Bethenny. Then, she admitted it, apologized for it and said they’ve all done it.

      The looks on that womans face said it all. She’s NOT sorry for anything she did… just sorry she got caught and the campaigne to ruin Bethenny didn’t work. How HORRIBLE that this whole thing started because she was jealous Bethenny got her own show! I don’t know about the rest of you, but when my friends get something new or nice or whatever, I’m happy for them… why wouldn’t I be? It only proves to me that Jill never really loved Bethenny… Bethenny, I believe, has forgiven Jill… she doesn’t want anything else to do with her because HOW, how could she ever trust her again? For sure Bethenny would have to be careful when texting, emailing or leaving any kind of message for Jill. Bethenny would have to be careful of every word she said, or typed, for fear Jill would use it against her somehow… why would anybody want a friend that simply can not be trusted? I don’t think Bethenny will ever let Jill back into her life… not as a confidont anyway.

      I’ll be back later… LOL… it’s lightening really bad here. I have more to say about Kelly!

    • Vicky says:

      You have summed it up to perfection!!!

    • GreatExpectations says:

      Totally agree!

    • Laurie in Detroit says:

      Mazel of the week to you, my dear. Right on all counts.

  8. Laurie in Detroit says:

    I’ve been lurking at LynnN Chicago for quite some time (love ya girl!) and just have to bring up something I’ve been thinking about.

    Bobby…. Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. I like the guy. He seems likeable and genuine and generous over and above the call of duty. Just a decent guy. He has defended Jill to other castmates when he’s had a chance, but now… Well, NOW he’s seen the whole season. What do you think he must think of his wife now? His bitchy, manipulative, publicity-hound, fame-whore of a wife? I’d love to know what he’s thinking now.

    • otaypanky says:

      Me too! But jill is a self professed great BJ giver. Must be some great head.

    • boston02127 says:

      @Laurie~I hope he divorces her. Also, I’ve wondered if Bobby went broke for some reason if Jill would stay with him.

      • Laurie in Detroit says:

        I’ve thought of that myself. I think JZ would stay with him for a “respectable” amount of time, enough to seem supportive. Then she’d start the hunt for her next sugar-hubby.

        I don’t think Bobby will go broke. But what do I know? JZ buys an AWFUL lot of AWFULLY expensive stuff. TONS of stuff… GOBS of stuff…. stuff, stuff, and more stuff.

    • AmyW says:

      When ur like bobby (nice & caring) he’ll tell his self excuses, or look for them for her behavior. Then jill is fu@#ing around on him, she is gonna learn soon what ‘u never know what u had til u lost it’ means if she keeps this up..

  9. yesIwatchthiscrap says:

    Hit the nail again Lynn, it was frustrating to watch. The ladies didn’t gang up on her on the Island but they sure did gang up on her there. They really should have just went point by point after Kelly was done speaking
    “Kelly Sonja was joking around and said you should have a one night stand, so you turned around and called B a hobag….why did you act like a bully?”
    “Kelly why do you obsess over B being a chef/cook….who cares, she can call herself whatever. Correcting her is insulting. Why did you bully her about it?”
    “Kelly, acusing B of going after your kids in the press, without proof, or acussing B of trying to kill you without proof is bad behavoir, why did you bully?”
    “Kelly what did Sonja, Alex, or Ramona SPECIFICALLY say to you that was bullying behavoir?”

    But they all just talked at once and somewhat proved he point. I think Sonja got it right though, Kelly takes some comments the wrong way and then gets defensive so she turns and attacks other people.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kelly is a systematic bully – she has since her introduction – selected Bethenny as her target. Everything a bully does, Kelly has done to Bethenny. Most telling is the fact that Kelly does not see this, it isn’t a medical term or a psychological label – it is the approach Kelly has used.

      • yesIwatchthiscrap says:

        It kind of reminds me the trick you do as a kid. If you don’t want to get in trouble for doing something blame the other kid for it first.

    • moriasheehan says:

      hey, yesiwatchthiscrap, you should send your post to andy, you broke down some of the kelly questions beautifully.

    • Quincy IL says:

      The only problem with Kelly’s “Blame them” concept is…. we were watching her behavior and listening to her words.

      • tuzentswurth says:

        Yes! Who can deny what is seen. My own opinion is, too many drugs scrambled her brain. A good night’s sleep brought her back to her normal stupidity level but eliminated the drug-induced psychosis. That is why the whole incident has been glossed over and she isn’t in a psych ward somewhere and her children aren’t in protective custody. I also think the other women knew what the problem was. That explains why B screamed at her to “GO TO SLEEP”. Also explains her recent grotesque pictures with ribs and sternum sticking out unnaturally….gotta keep that “model” figure. She looks at least 10-15 years older than she is. The ravages of her lifestyle have overtaken her. Where is her family????

        • tracylyn42 says:

          i was wondering why B yelled go to sleep but that explains it. also Sonia kept bringing up the fact that she herself got no sleep because kelly would wake her up in the middle of the night. Kelly was whacked out on drugs and staying up all night. i never thought the girl was mental, but very jealous and just plain dumb but add drugs to the mix and you get cukadoodledoo

        • sbh says:

          OOohh, I didn’t think of that. Brilliant! Drugs and sleep exhaustion also mess with memory, motor skills, and there is cognitive impairment. And when your baseline is dumb as a doorknob, where else can you go down but to screaming nut bag?

  10. WindyCityWondering says:

    Thanks again Lynn! Your skills as a blogger that prompt people to actually make people think is excellent. While this is an entertainment program it is also a way to get those who watch to think how they would react to the drama, the situations, the dynamics between the castmembers – hopefully, in some small way RHONY teaches us how not to act in our own lives, how to deal with personalities we run into in the course of our own lives, but most of all, know when to say you are sorry and what you are really sorry for . A real apology is always accepted but an insincere one only adds to the hurt.

    • yesIwatchthiscrap says:

      Good point. I have noticed not many people really know how to apologize. They say things like “I’m sorry you felt that way” instead of “I’m sorry I treated you like that”…..even if it was unitentional you still should be sorry.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        It also works with being thankful for what others have done for you. When B thanked Ramona and Alex for being there when she needed them and didn’t realize it or expect it and was surprised by it – but bottomline – she was sincere.

      • AndHowisWatchingSportsNotaWasteofTime? says:

        In my house, we call those “non-apology apologies.” My husband grew up in a house with a mother and five sisters and developed that skill as a useful argument ender. When I realized they were being used on me, I called him on it. I’ve noticed that my grown children are now very discerning about apologies and can spot an insincere one a mile away.

        • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

          We have a rule in my house – an apology never has the word “but” in it, never excuses one’s own behaviour and never ever blames the person you are apologizing to for your actions. The kids may never learn anything else from me, but taking personal responsibility for your actions isn’t a bad place to start in life!

    • sbh says:

      yes! I had an argument with a friend last week and she called me during the show to talk about it. so i paused it at a moment showing bethenny standing up for herself. My friend tried to excuse her behavior with “I was in a bad mood…” and I was like, “uh uh, that is no reason not to use basic civility.” actually i think that came from Alex’s website about Kelly, but I can’t remember. anyway, I wasn’t putting up with any excuses. she finally had to admit what she did was wrong or continue the argument. when she listened to my well reasoned arguments, again, from reading all these well thought out blogs, she finally realized what she did, and then HONESTLY apologized. And I forgave her right away. I guess I had all my notes!

      • Snarkapalooza says:

        Ah, the infamous “I was in a bad mood” excuse. Not only did Jill use it several times during the reunion, she used it to excuse her storming out of the LucaLuca show. And it usually revolves around Ally’s first/last day of something, as though she’s the only one who ever had a kid.

  11. HD says:

    To be quite honest, I am glad Jill closed her Facebook and is retreating. At some point you need to apologize and let it go. All that apologizing she did on the show was over the top as you said, not sincere (at least it didn’t appear to be) so what is the point. Just go away and if she comes back on the show next season try to have some redeeming qualities about herself.

    Kelly-I really wished the women would have let her talk. I know it is hard to be quiet when someone is making outlandish statements about you but by letting her talk it would have shown just how certifiable she was. When she did speak of course it made no sense whatsoever, with even Jill needing to remind her of the stance she claimed she was taking on bullying. I would have loved to hear Kelly try to explain that trip. “All this banter and berating and white noise.” LOL!

    Andy-I must say although he did not ask everything that I would like, he was not easy on the women at least not how he has been on past reunion shows. I am pleased with this reunion. Jill kept digging a hole, Bethanny told the truth, Luann finally is shutdown and Kelly is still crazy. I’m content!

    • Snarkapalooza says:

      “To be quite honest, I am glad Jill closed her Facebook and is retreating. At some point you need to apologize and let it go. All that apologizing she did on the show was over the top as you said, not sincere (at least it didn’t appear to be) so what is the point. Just go away and if she comes back on the show next season try to have some redeeming qualities about herself. ”

      I think Jill is retreating to her own website 1) Because she has more control over comments and can see a posters ISP, and 2) is getting paid by the hit for the ads on her page. I doubt it has a thing to do with self-reflection or a sudden attack of humility.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        ITA- She closed her facebook because it would be impossible to manage. It would take a team of monkey’s working around the clock to keep up with the deleting of all the negative comments.

        And she DEFINITELY wants to be able to track people’s IP addresses.

  12. moriasheehan says:

    well, once again Lynn you have given us a great blog. jill was so smarmy. i got the impression that she jumped up to leave cause she was upset about Bethenny saying lets hang her on the cross. LOL so even when she is defended she still us the poor victim.

    did anyone else notice that kelly response to questions about the island, when she was interrupted, she tried to pick back up at the same rehearsed place in her rant. then the way she kept calling Andy a liar and then THANKING HIM. who else finds this odd. does this make her right? i watched the show twice and will watch again to try and pick up more of the overlapping talking that went on. Andy…boo on slapping ramona down. when are you going to call kelly on the nasty things she says about Bethenny. make a clip of every name calling incident.

    wish that it had just been Ramona on WWHL, dina monopolized the show (andy let her) and we didn’t get to hear enough from Ramona. hope they don’t keep a lid on Kathy Griffin, she is so funny and smart.

    looking forward to reading everyone’s posts as they come in.
    i wish it was thursday!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kelly’s “I appreciate that, thank you” tag is her way of saying FU….

      • sbh says:

        And of course, she was repeating back exactly what Andy had just said, classic Kelly style…

        • felony stupid says:

          That “thank you” line is from the same place as her classic “what are you doing right now?” and “stoooop….just stop”. These along with pointing out something potentially embarrassing (Alex, close your legs) are her MO. They are designed to stop the other person in their tracks or divert them. It doesn’t really allow for a normal response so it works as a way to shut down the conversation. Of course, if you know her BS, you do what Bethenny and Alex did and you just keep right on talking. It’s fun to watch the “does not computer” look cross Kelly’s face.

  13. Noreen says:

    I am so excited to be catching the blog at the beginning so I can catch up. Jill Zarin is the most insincere person in the world. And Lynn, you are so right that she has absolutely no understanding about how to deal with the public. But I guess that is where the insincerity comes in; if you are a genuine person, people will eventually sniff it out. I think that is why Ramona is still popular, because she is sincere, even when she insults. Jill spent the entire season orchestrating fights, undermining Bethenny’s career, accusing people of not telling her things she already knew and on and on. It if walks like a bitch and acts like a bitch, chances are, it’s Jill Zarin. God, I hate that woman.

  14. amy17 says:

    Why did’nt they roll tape of Alex telling Jill to reach out to Bethenny. It is a scene where Jill looks like garbage compared to the human Alex. I would have loved to see jill try to spin that scene into a work of fiction. And letting Kelly go on and on about being “bullied” when she was abusive and insane to a pregnant grieving woman without putting it into perspective was annoying to say the least if you were a viewer. The sex talk with Sonya was completely boring especially when there was so much horrible jill and luann behavior not addressed.

    • little rock says:

      Weren’t they in a hotel or some other public place? I know they weren’t at NBC, so they wouldn’t have had footage of everything that the women might bring up, just the film that they were using for making certain points during the reunion.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Andy said they didn’t have the capability to roll tapes. Maybe next year?!

    • RAR says:

      I’m tempted tp email Jill a clip of the show myself…. but then I think “ick” and remember that it wouldn’y matter anyway. She would say I edited the clip together.

    • jennifer says:

      But WE can look the episode up online and come up with exactly what was said and seen, so let’s do that, and roll our own tape.

      • sbh says:

        I saw the tape: they cut to the head interview so we don’t know if she SAID ‘yes’ out loud or not, but unless you are blind or totally self involved, you could not miss Alex nodding her head up and down YES. She also made the direness of the timing very clear, that NOW is the time to act if she still cares about Bethenny.

  15. Lolo says:

    Jill is confusing “forgiveness” with “everything can just go back the way it was, ‘k”. I’m sure that Bethenny, et al, for the most part have forgiven Jill, but that doesn’t mean they’re going to be close friends again. You just don’t forget some of the treatment the other wives received.

    As far as fame-whoriness, I think all the wives are eager to get their names in the paper, get themselves on tvs, get “goodies”, etc. But as far as I can tell, Jill is the only one who subscribes to the “I look better if I make everyone else look bad”. For example, Amazongate. I don’t think anyone would have really cared if she left herself a 5 star review and left it at that. The real problem people had was the bashing of B’s book and the verbal attack on A. Chandler.


    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Fame comes as part of the package – some seek more than their fair share, some take it as part of the deal and some have a need to have more than what would have come to them naturally.

    • SusanS88 says:

      Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding! Give that woman a prize!!!! Lolo, I think you verbalized what that fine line is that many of us are feeling, given all that we’ve seen and read. Here’s what I’m talking about:

      “I think all the wives are eager to get their names in the paper, get themselves on tvs, get “goodies”, etc.”

      So so true and we know that and no one critisizes them for it!! It’s the nature of the beast, as it were. It’s why they signed up for reality tv. No harm no foul here.

      ” But as far as I can tell, Jill is the only one who subscribes to the “I look better if I make everyone else look bad”. For example, Amazongate. I don’t think anyone would have really cared if she left herself a 5 star review and left it at that.”

      Bada bing! Zarin’s behavior in a nutshell! Even though I sorta already knew that was the line in the sand (and others too) it was good to read it. We all figure that’s one topic we won’t see on the reunion, but a topic that NONE of us should forget, when we’re deciding how we feel about Jill Zarin.

      And yes, I still hate Jill Zarin.

    • sbh says:

      Amen sister. Hell, no one would have even KNOWN if she hadn’t bashed A. Chandler. you start a fire, be prepared for the possibility of getting burned.

  16. boston02127 says:

    Great blog Lynn. It’s so true what you said about Luann. I never realized that she’s pretty much a nobody on the show.

    • HD says:

      Especially since she can’t pull that Countess card out anymore, which I LOVE! Yes, she claims she gets to keep the title but it means nothing and I love it!

    • otaypanky says:

      hmmm…Big Deal. It’s not as though one can comment on it.

    • Quincy IL says:

      I took the link. Jill is demanding that she be forgiven. I think that is playing the Goddess and trying to really be devine.

      I know people like Jill and it’s not fun to be with them.

      Beth…stay far away and have a good life.

      • jennifer says:

        I am actually tired of Jill, still hate her though. So, I going to ignore her from now on…anything she has to say or do with I am avoiding….just going to come here and read the juicy stuff b/c you guys feel like me 🙂

        That’s the worst for Jill being ignored and irrelevant

    • BamaBelle says:

      Viki55… Interesting. Jill say’s she is sorry, but will stop apologizing (per request from her fans) and will forgive those with “closed hearts”.

      Same ol’ CRAP… there always has to be an if, an or but… or a dig at “those with closed hearts”… Hahahahahaha!

      I’m all for forgiveness… it’s a good thing and like some have said here, Bethenny, I’m sure has forgiven her, forgotten, and wants to move on! She’ll never be able to trust Jill again. They’ll never be best friends again… and, like Jill herself says… that’s okay!

      As for the viewers… I can forgive and forget, but I don’t think Jill is sincere, and quite frankly, I don’t believe she has any good intentions to change. Why all the venom for Alex, if forgiveness is so DIVINE?

  17. otaypanky says:

    Luann skated big time on the reunion show. She did plenty to get smacked down over.

    Hopefully she’s breathing a sigh of relief and is not sitting back thinking, “Well, I’m just so classy, so elegant in all my interactions that there was nothing to call me out on.”

    • Olivia says:

      One word: Coerte.

    • Judy says:

      They need to bring up her listening in on other peoples phone conversations, she did after all write and etiquette book.

      • MAMAZ says:

        And her excusing JZ showing up on the island after turning down the invitaton. Not something Emily Post would have approved of.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Oh, she covered her countASS on that one! And got an “I told you so” pass to boot.

  18. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders says:

    Yes Lynn thank you, and thank you for bringing up the part of Andy asking Kelly about her summary of the trip and her saying NO. While Jill told her Yes that’s what you just said. Kelly is delusional.

  19. WindyCityWondering says:

    Bethenny pulled the heat off of Jill for what might be a couple of interesting reasons. One, no one is going to buy Jill has changed or will ever answer a question honestly (boring so move on) and she is tired of saying I forgive you and am sorry that you don’t get it that we are not going to be best buddies ever again. Two, Bethenny and her couch mates really want to get out what happened on the trip! So Bethenny is trying to move the reunion along to an event that affected more than half the cast!

  20. Olivia says:

    I am curious when it comes to Sonja. She makes mention more than once that her divorce was traumatic for her and that she had to give up so much as a result.

    I got the impression that this divorce was filed by her husband and not her. This man is 77 yrs old and the divorce was about 5 yrs ago. She is 30 yrs younger than he.

    Just curious as to what reason or grounds he had to call off the marriage since it does not appear that she was the one who sought it in the first place. At least that is what I am gathering from her comments.

    • desertgal66 says:

      I don’t think that Sonja meant that she had to give up a lot of material things, although I imagine her lifestyle did undergo some changes. My feeling was that she was a woman who was happy being independent and never really focused on marriage-and then she, as she said, “met her match”, and did settle down…and then, after ten years, he lowered the boom on her and ended the marriage. So, I think she meant that yes, the divorce was traumatic, and her self esteem and her confidence suffered as a result of her husband’s rejection of her.

      Just my interpretation. I mean, I’m sure Sonja enjoyed the material side of life inside her marriage-who wouldn’t, to be honest-but I think she was referring to the emotional investment.

      • sbh says:

        yeah, I think this too.

      • BamaBelle says:

        Sonja did say that her divorce caused her self esteem to take a hit when she was talking to Bethenny on Ramona’s trip. She started to cry and Bethenny was comforting her.

        It does make me believe he was the one who wanted to end the marriage, but I don’t know that for sure. Sonja was the society-type New York City lady I was expecting to see when RHONYC began. I really like her because she isn’t fake, she’s fair and funny. That’s what drew me about the shows in the first place, I wanted to see the glitz and glammer. The fashions, the social events… the beautifully and tastefully decorated homes. All that stuff that the average person may not be able to experience.

        NYC taught me that while I may not be wealthy, I would NEVER treat a friend as cruel as Jill, and money can’t buy you class… LOL!

        • ImToula says:

          Sonja says she was married for 10 years. Usually pre nups have a time limit of 10 years. After that the money increases should there be a divorse. I would bet that he has children from other marriages. He ended the marriage to avoid paying Sonja, and should he pass on the money remains in the Morgan Family.

  21. yesIwatchthiscrap says:

    OK I have to laugh at her line in Jill’s blog
    ” I am proud of how I came full circle this season.”

    sure you did a 360…..you ended up where you started….a complete b|#ch

    • Laurie in Detroit says:

      HAAAAA! Good one! And so true….

      • tracylyn42 says:

        i read it too and didnt pick up on that but you are SO RIGHT.. lol started out a bitch and ended up the same way.. and you know when she played that message from B on first episode B had left that message months before and Jill saved it all that time because she had this all planned. why else save that particular message? i wish someone would ask her why she saved it for months if this wasnt all planned in advance.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      I know, wasn’t that sickening? Full circle? She is spewing her hate for Alex now, on her destroy and dismiss mission. She hasn’t accepted a single thing she has done and simply changed her hate target to Alex. She disgusts me and the sooner she is off my screen, the better.

    • Scorpiosue says:

      That was a PERFECT analogy! LOLOLOL

    • kokuanani says:

      I love it when people say “360” and really mean “180”.

      High school geometry, anyone?

      Thanks for bringing that here, yesIwatchthiscrap. I would never go to Jill’s “controlled environment,” so would have otherwise missed it.

    • sbh says:

      Well she certainly has done a lot of spinning…

    • sbh says:

      …and falling on her ass!!! insert smiley face here.

  22. AmyW says:

    hey all i cant believe this BUT DINA MANZO this is her TRUE COLORS she was on a show 2 years ago, my bigfat obnoxious wedding oh my here is the link. SHE HAD ME FOOLED. Then thersa says the show edits makes it look like she spends alot of money.. sorry 4 typos my keys are sticking. Oh and Jill is blogging on jillzarin.com trying to sell TEAM JILL SHIRTS 2 for $34.99 LMAO And she changed right? “TEAM JILL” oh my these woman make me sick.. that kelly i just want to smack her to see if anyone is there. see link below u can also google ‘dina manzo on big fat wedding.


    • RAR says:

      This wasn’t a secret. She was on a show called “Platinum Weddings” which of course would show off HER event plannings skills to build her business and her HUSBAND’S place of business, the Brownstone.

      Why would this possibly be news now?

    • BamaBelle says:


      Thanks for putting the link up. I did know about her wedding, but had never seen the clips or show. WOW… Tommy looks just like one of Caroline’s sons.

      That’s the first time I’ve seen Tommy or heard him speak… I did know he cheated before the wedding, though. I think there’s rumors that he is cheating, just rumors, I don’t know if it’s true. He seems so obnoxious… just like the rest of the Manzo’s.

      Dina keeps saying the business belongs to HER husband. Isn’t Caroline’s husband part owner? I know they’re brothers. Does anybody know if The Brownstone business is equally owned by both brothers?

  23. Ladylucilu says:

    Good Morning Lynn, having my morning coffee. Just love how you honestly put things in perspective. Thank you 🙂
    Now about the Reunion, Jill should have truely apologize to Alex? But no being hardharded and still wanting to target someone else for her foolishness and her childish behaviory. She will not admit that she was behind everything. Do I feel sorry for you “NO”. Who are you wanting to prove that you were so innocent? You are such a prideful person and a very sad one for that matter. You were called on your B.S. and you couldn’t back it up. Except with your fake tears and I’m sorry.
    Court has been dismiss for lunch! Yes Jill we as viewer are judging you for your ratical behaviory. To you? we don’t matter right? It truely should matter, we know people make mistakes however, for you to still try to fabricate that is someone else fault. Pleasssssse?
    Everyone please have a wonderful day 🙂

  24. WindyCityWondering says:

    Kelly, Kelly, Kelly! We are frustrated by her because there are no neat little boxes or labels to help us define her or understand her behavior. A combination of low intelligence, poor social skills, a learning disability, a traumatic event, a physical, emotional or mental problem, etc. etc. etc.
    She does not belong on a reality show, she has no communication skills, she ruins other castmembers scenes and she obviously doesn’t understand her job! She is 41 years old and she has handlers – her life consists of going where she is told – a model doesn’t have to talk to do their job – a reality tv personality does – and she can’t. So I don’t care what is wrong with her, I would cross the street if I saw her coming – Bethenny called it from the beginning and she is doing everything she can do to insure both her safety and her castmates safety.

    • MAMAZ says:

      I would be shocked if Kelly was asked back for next season.

      • Scorpiosue says:

        Me too. You don’t diss a VP at Bravo if you want to stay on the show. Plus, she’s a major liability.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          so agreed that of the two worst wives (Jill and Kelly) Kelly is more of a liability! plus B said on WWHL that she would not film with Kelly and she’s got the power to say that and to have it carry weight with management.

    • sbh says:

      she isn’t very nice either.

    • tracylyn42 says:

      i agree with all of the above. and i especially loved when they tried to turn the tables on B about her telling Jill not to film with kelly. did she try to lie and blame everyone else? of course not, took full responsibility for her actions. i dont like you and i dont want you on the show. Jill doesnt get that it is not the same as telling castmates not to film with someone who you claim is your bff and who you truly love.

  25. Judy says:

    I hate the way Kelly can just accuse her castmates of bad behavior, but doesn’t need to substantiate it, because she’s an idiot.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kelly is a damaged, spoiled child in a room full of adults………..look at her from that angle and she makes alittle more sense!

  26. char212 says:

    I will say I admired Bethanny for trying to stop the questions about Jill. I would have liked to hear them all but I understand why B did that. With that said, if the questions were aimed at Bethanny you wouldn’t see Jill coming to her defense. Instead she’d be sitting there with that smirk on her face enjoying every minute of it.

    • desertgal66 says:

      Exactly. I thought that was pretty…well, considerate on Bethenny’s part. Course, now Jill says that Andy put Bethenny up to it.

      Jill just can’t stop spinning…

    • ZarinShmarin says:

      Sooo true! She would have also added a few smirky side-glances at Luanne…her faithful sidekick.

  27. Melinda says:

    I was SO DISGUSTED she never apologized to Alex………she kept shooting her dirty looks…….i wanted to scream at her to stop kissing Bethenny’s ass and apologize to Alex too!

    this is why I don’t buy her “i have changed” crap!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill sees Alex for what she is – rising star, fan favorite and probably will be a focus in Season 4 – Jill doesn’t learn – she went after Bethenny and failed, but worse – got caught! So now Jill has Alex in the crosshair and history will likely repeat itself – JILL won’t be able to win going up against Alex.

  28. Anitabee says:

    Not that I care but it’s something that bugs me.

    Does anyone know why Jen Gilbert did not go on the Virgin Island trip? Was she invited? Granted Ramona didn’t know her but it was obvious it was a RHONY trip and she was being filmed?

    I wonder what she did to make Bravo drop her. I mean they almost edited her out entirely.


    • Pantry Viewer says:

      My personal thought on this is that Jill “brought her on” as an ally in her awful scheme. Bravo was no longer playing the game the way Jill wanted to after Jill had been so horrible, and Jen was a casualty. I think Bravo was having none of Jill’s antics, one of them being bringing Jen on as her ally, and showed Jill just how unimportant she was by showing her true colors and not playing her ally game. Just my opinion.

      • tracylyn42 says:

        i have been wondering about jen myself and i do think you are right. it would explain some things that jen said. she was taking up for jill right from the start and i though it was odd being she was so new on the show and i didnt think she knew jill all that well. but jill bringing her in to have another castmate on her side would explain it. unlike sonia who says, i dont have an iron in the fire, i dont know jill that well, jen was jumping right on the jill bandwagon. unfortunately for her, that wagon crashed and burned.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jenn was pretty neutral and didn’t have a good introduction story. She may be back if Bravo gets rid of Kelly.

    • shantygal says:

      I had read on some other site, that there was quite a bit of filming with Jen, but that the other story lines were just too good. Bravo decided they had to air most of B’s story because so many things were happening to her simultaneously, during filming. Jen’s segments were just dropped in favor of the others.

    • Laurie in Detroit says:

      She’s no Sonja, but I actually thought Jen was pretty neutral. She was not up Jill’s ass sideways like Luann is. She seems to have her own independent thoughts and expressions. Maybe they’ll bring her back once Kelly’s packed up nice and snug at the sanitorium.

      • BamaBelle says:

        I also think Jen jumped on the Jill bandwagon. Jill hired her for the party, so Jen felted she owed Jill. I think Jen thought Jill’s Holiday Party would of been a bigger part of the show, maybe the finale.

        I did hear Jen take up for Jill a few times. If she returns, and I hope not, she will definately be a Jill Zarin buddy.

  29. Zipit Zarin! says:

    I think Jill and Kelly WILL be back next season and here’s the reason why…from Andy’s blog about HWODC:

    We kept Michaele in the show because she has a compelling life story, distinct relationships with the other women, and most especially because she represents a very real example of the inextricably intertwined worlds of political connections with social hierarchy. To the people who might excoriate us and say we’re making Michaele famous or glorifying what she did: ‘here’s what’ — we don’t make shows to make people famous and as a corollary, we don’t view being on a television show either as a reward or a punishment. That’s up to the individuals who choose to do so and the people who choose to watch and react.

    If they are willing to keep the Salahi couple who crashed THE WHITE HOUSE, …..

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      I can see what Andy is saying about the Salahis. But Jill is not compelling at all. She is a vile monster and uninteresting to watch. She has gone too far and is not redeemable in my opinion. I definitely won’t watch the show if she is on. She is not someone you “love to hate”. She is just someone to stay completely away from.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        In addition, they had already filmed DC and this couple were in scenes with the other housewives, Bravo would have to do a TON of additional filming, possibly even re-shoot everything.

        They aren’t going to do that..

        • Zipit Zarin! says:

          I’m not saying they should or shouldn’t have edited out the Salahis…it was an example of Andy’s reasoning and why I think they’ll keep Jill and Kelly. 😀 And THANK you thank you Lynn for this blog and group of people to brain storm and discuss with. It’s cathartic to the max!

      • MAMAZ says:

        I think JZ will be back. I just wonder if we will see her fighting with Silex next season or will she try and show the viewers a new improved Jill Zarin? Will it be JZ’s renewal season? *gag*
        I don’t think Kelly will be back. Bethenny said on WWHL that her coming back depends on the cast. She is a strong enough woman and smart enough about business to appear with Jill. But I think she fears for her own sanity, the safety of her health, child and new marraige to continue to film with Kelly. Kelly doesn’t have a big enough fan base to risk losing B. And JZ already has a toady in LuAnn. Kelly serves no real purpose.

        • Zipit Zarin! says:

          If Kelly didn’t have enablers in her life she’d be in a strait jacket. I seriously believe that.

    • Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:

      Twice, no less. Well, they tried again anyway. Their limo was intercepted on its way to the WH at a recent State Dinner. There was a film crew in the car with them & they claimed they were on their way to dinner “with friends.” Yah. Right.

    • jennifer says:

      Also, the DC Couple aren’t trashing the network like Jill is…..

    • ZarinShmarin says:

      That may just be another avenue for Jill and Kelly to make Bravo appearances … not necessarily on RHONYC. Restricted to small cameos on other shows after being booted from HW’s would be awesome.

  30. Night Light says:

    I love how team BRASS are not talking about Jill, Louman and Kelly. It’s difficult to see how they can film season 4 especially knowing how Jill has a habit of trying to single cast mates out. I fear for Alex, Ramona and Sonja will really have to stay by her side because if Jill has her way……

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill forced two teams – but she isn’t on the winning one!

    • Tootie says:

      Hi, Night Light – I have evolved into being a fan of Alex’s (formerly thought her and Simon were a bit freaky, in Season 1), and believe it or not, I actually think Jill’s active hatred is a good thing for Alex. Here’s why.

      Alex is a little bit boring. Part of her allure on screen previously was Simon and his crazy garb, and her kids acting a little wild. We are seeing Simon a LOT less (although still in crazy garb) and what little we saw of her kids, they were well-behaved. So she is re-tooling her image. Now, she is a friend of Bethenny and of Ramona, but, let’s be honest, solid friendships don’t really make for very interesting TV. The themes of all Real Housewives shows are envy, and rich women fighting. Alex is not going to garner too much envy, as she is not a rich bitch. But the rich women fighting? That’s what she can do, and that’s how she can stay relevant on the show.

      Then, too, if she continues to hold her ground against Jill, she will become someone people envy – LOTS of people want to have their say to Jill’s face! Alex is one of the few that gets to do it. So, I don’t think she needs to kiss and make up, or even try to make the relationship peaceful. I think Jill’s waging war does indeed give Alex oxygen.

      Also, it is a surprising compliment from Jill. Up to now, Jill thought of Alex as beneath her. She wouldn’t even let her finish a sentence, she didn’t even acknowledge her at St. John, many examples showing Jill thought of Alex as something like “the help.” Jill’s rage now, though, shows she finally realizes Alex is a force to be reckoned with. That must burn her as much as anything.

      So Alex, don’t extend any olive branches. Keep doing what you’re doing. It’s working!

      • Eve says:

        I totally agree with you. Jill doesn’t realize how much she is HELPING Alex …..not hurting.

  31. MAMAZ says:

    The description by Lynn of LuAnn as an asst. or caddy was perfect that I don’t need to say anything more about the Countless today.
    Jill Zarin – Of course nobody accepts her apologies. They are hollow. You don’t even have to wait for the blogs and tweets, her behavior toward Alex at the reunion proves how insincere she is. She claims to dislike to the person she was but she continues to act like that person. Her excuses have all been that she was in a bad place. So what? She says she didn’t mean it “that way” when she said Alex had the body of a model but not the face. How else can you mean it? She didn’t say anything about Alex’s kids. Hmm, didn’t we just watch the clip of her saying to Alex’s face?

    The only thing JZ could possibly do to change how I feel about her is say I was wrong. I was jealous, cold and unforgiving toward Bethenny. I was mean and spiteful towards Ramona. I was dismissive and condescending toward Alex, and said hurtful things about her and her family. I made rude remarks about Sonja when I didn’t even know her. I encouraged Kelly to fight with Bethenny.
    AND THEN SHE SHOULD SHUT UP! Sit there and take whatever anyone dishes out because SHE DESERVES IT! The only other thing she needs to say is “You’re right”
    whenever anyone confronts her about anything. Then maybe, just maybe, I won’t hate Jill Zarin.

    • desertgal66 says:

      Well said. 🙂

    • kokuanani says:

      Jill Zarin – Of course nobody accepts her apologies. They are hollow. You don’t even have to wait for the blogs and tweets, her behavior toward Alex at the reunion proves how insincere she is.

      I sure would like it if Kathy Griffin picked up this fact and stated it on Thursday’s WWHL.

      The “blog & tweets” part is especially damning. Jill thinks if she’s got the “couch apologies” on film, she can just scamper about back-tracking and denying. I’m sure in her evil mind this equates to her “having it both ways:” getting to look like she’s apologizing and “has changed,” while at the same time maintaining her vile, back-stabbing lunatic ways.

      C’mon, Kathy. You’ve got to be reading this blog. Just do it. Your WWHL appearance is the ONLY chance to point this out this season.

      • sbh says:

        I disagree. I think she is once again ‘trying to be like Bethenny’. Earlier in the show Bethenny came to Jill and apologized. Jill turned Bethenny down. Next thing you know, the whole world hates Jill, and Bethenny can go off and say whatever she wants about Jill with impunity.


        Jill thinks of the apologies as nothing more than a game plan. If she now cries and asks for forgiveness–either Bethenny will accept it and all is forgiven and Jill is loved again, or Bethenny denies her and Jill (she thinks) now becomes the good one and can say what she wants about Bethenny–but no one will be upset, because like Bethenny before her, she tried and was turned away. “Mean Bethenny just won’t be nice.” Jill is treating this apology thing with Bethenny like it is a game of tag. “Tag, I’m sorry, Your It, now your turn to play the bad guy!”

        Jill does not get the sincerity behind what Bethenny did, nor does she seem to understand that when she was mad at Bethenny, she was the ONLY ONE who had a grievance against Bethenny. Hell, even Kelly and Bethenny had become civil. But in Jill’s case, EVERYONE is mad at Jill, so yeah, Bethenny can get away with a heartfelt apology. However, your lipservice, dramatic stomping and phony begging is not going to cut it. Not by a freaking long shot.

        And Hell, it looks like Jill is forcing Bethenny into a hug next episode. I hate that, how manipulative. Bethenny said to Jill when she is apologizing, you don’t have to forgive, just hear me out. But Jill is demanding a public display of forgiveness. I HATE THAT!! I have a relative who does this and it feels so disrespectful to my feelings and that it is really all for show so that she can feel loved again. She always corners me into a hug in front of other people–after a quick apology. And now the hug is supposed to mean that it is all over, we are friends again, and it will never be mentioned again. When I, however, am apologizing, she takes her own sweet time–meanwhile giving me the cold shoulder and complaining about me to other relatives. When she has exhausted all the sympathy she can out of the story–and she needs something from me, or starts to look bad for holding on to a slight for so long–than she starts the ‘forgiving process’.

        Jill’s inability to measure accurately the weight of actions is further seen when she compares what Bethenny did to Kelly, and what she herself did to Bethenny (about the whole ‘not filming’ with so and so) as equal. I thought it was interesting that no one called Jill on the fact that when she deflected Alex and Ramona’s accusation concerning blackballing Bethenny, she accused Bethenny and quoted her as saying, “if you don’t film with [Kelly] it is like she doesn’t exist.” So Jill is implying, immediately after defending herself–saying she didn’t want to hurt Bethenny or her show, and she is her biggest cheer leader and wants only the best for her, blah blah blah–that she took actions in the beginning of the season to make what was her close friend “not exist”. And she is using this as a defense? Oh yeah, I really believe all your denials and prostrating Jill.

        Oh and Jill, if you play the I don’t remember things card, it goes both ways–you say “prove that I said/did that, I don’t remember” Well Bitch, prove that you didn’t! You don’t remember things. Hell, they should accuse her of more and tell her her faulty memory is the reason she doesn’t remember it. They are going easy on her for just accusing her of half the things she actually did.

    • sbh says:

      Please Add,
      I encouraged LUANN and Kelly to fight with Bethenny


      and I am so sorry to all the fans that I manipulated and lied to; I treated them horribly and I hope to win back their respect by writing a personal apology to every person I wrote back to insulting them and bashing their reputation.

      And she needs to apologize to her mother and sister too, but let her do that on her own time.

  32. Anitabee says:

    (I tried to post this 2x last night but it went off to Kellyland I think.)


    Did Jill’s check bounce. New blog but it seems that the original LBG1 is back:

    • ZarinShmarin says:

      From article link above: (Bethenny once played a topless serial killer in an episode of the tv series Santa Barbara, a soap which aired from 1984 to 1993.) ??? So, is this where Kelly’s “fears” about Bethenny killing her are coming from?

      I didn’t know Bethenny was in “the game” this long. She has truly manifested her dreams. There’s a link within “topless serial killer” but I haven’t explored it yet…

  33. otaypanky says:


    Sexted a photo of Miley Cyrus at 17 without underwear to 2 1/2 million followers.

    He may be in trouble for child porn.

    After the outrage he is saying it was photo shopped. Still a crime.

    • MAMAZ says:

      WOW! You’re right the photo shop thing doesn’t matter. He was depicting an underaged girl naked. What an idiot. Even if no criminal charges are filed I think Bill Ray is going to own Perez after this. And probably kick his ass too.

      • char212 says:

        I hope they hang him!

      • Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:

        Why? Billy Ray posed with Miley in an incredibly inappropriate pose for Vanity Fair, same one where she was posing “sexy” as well…when she was 15!

        • cc in Miami says:

          Sexy, provocative pictures are one thing. Nude pictures are another.

        • sbh says:

          I know with underage kids it doesn’t really matter–it’s all wrong, but having Miley’s permission for a provocative picture versus bashing her for something she didn’t do–go without undies in public, I see a difference.

    • HD says:

      Are you serious?! That’s what he gets. Why would he do that?! That girl is still 17 and you know they are cracking down on all that sexting!

      • Vicky says:

        He is “friends” with Jill Zarin. Thats why! He, just like Jill, will say and do ANYTHING to try to remain “relevant”. It does not matter who it hurts, as long as his name is out there. On the other hand, maybe he can’t get a date. A long prison sentence may seem appealing to him!

  34. eye2try says:

    I was disappointed in part 2 reunion. I wish Andy would have asked Kelly if she would like for Bravo to show ALL footage of VI trip so we can see for ourselves if she was bullied.

    Of course we know that she wasnt. But I would have loved to see Kellys reaction to the question. We know she is a loon, but I feel that her accusations against the other wives should be further dispelled by ALL the footage.

    As for Jill, I cringed when she asked to give Bethenny a hug. No thank you!

    Sonja- yawn.

    Alex- way to go!

    Ramona- way to go!

    LuAnn- one redeeming moment- calling Kelly out for instigating.

    Bethenny- She looks drained and over it.

    • TLM says:

      @eye2try, Absolutely agree with you on Bethenny. The look on her face when Jill talks is generally the same as the look she had the night of the engagement party, a blank stare that just looked like she had been through the mill and had had enough. When relationships deteriorate, people go from love to hate to not caring. When you hate someone, you have that emotion because you still care. Once someone gets to “I don’t care,” it’s hard if not impossible to reach them. Bethenny was rejected so many times that she finally reached that point, and if Jill thinks she can change all that by saying, “We had something really good,” especially after the repeated lies and insincere apologies on the show, one after another, I think she’s wrong.

      I did like that Bethenny told Jill she was messing with her livlihood with what she tried to do about the show, and also told her, “I didn’t have a Bobby then. That was my livlihood.” And I liked that she was honest with her about Jason, and told her he doesn’t care for her very much and why.

      Honestly I think the reason Jill never bothered to ask Jason about himself is that she thought he was just Bethenny’s temporary boyfriend, just a placeholder, and that Bethenny would eventually end up alone again so she could spend her free time palling around with Jill. I would bet you that’s what Jill thought: Bethenny’s a mess, she’ll never be able to hold onto this guy. So Jill treated him as if he were the equivalent of a cab driver, someone you might make polite conversation with about superficial things, but not someone you ask anything personal about.

      On some level Jill depended on Bethenny being someone who was always down and out, and when that began to change, she freaked. Jill said she supports all her friends, and I wanted to add, “until their success starts to surpass yours.” That isn’t really being a friend.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I see Jill and LuAnn trying to contain Kelly’s damage and they are failing – Kelly is the weakest link and is being voted off the island. Watch out Andy, Kelly may have to sit in a high chair next to you!

    • sbh says:

      I think Kelly would say “yes, absolutely!” because deep down, to the core of her soul, she believes she was being bullied. She isn’t Jill just doing PR, she is looney.

  35. vgirl511 says:

    The above link (if it works) is of Jill, LuAnn and Kelly on the Joy Behar show. The video is dated March 4, but I am not sure if that is actually the date it aired. Some may have seen this already, but I just watched it and found a few things interesting. It is over 9 minutes long but sometime around the 6 minute mark Kelly says a few things that caught my attention….
    Joy asks her about Bethenny. Kelly says that Bethenny has to attack people to get attention. Didn’t Kelly say she never bashes Bethenny in the press?

    Joy asks about Kelly’s assault charge. Kelly talks about it very little, and then Joy asks her if she is seeing anyone right now. Kelly’s response “I am seeing MANY people.” WTF? That certainly goes against the BS she is preaching today!

    Joy asks Kelly if she did Playboy to one up Bethenny’s peta ad. Kelly says no (bullshit) but then states that while Peta is an amazing organization, Playboy is an iconic magazine. She then says that Playboy asked her, and then she asked her ex husband (the most amazing photographer in the world) to take the pictures! Hasn’t it been proven that the pictures that appeared in Playboy were taken a long time ago? She completely lies and says they asked her and then the pictures were taken!

    Last night, I too wanted team BRA to let Kelly finish, but at the same time I was getting so impatient with her ‘story’. She just kept saying the same crap and I was suprised that Andy let her go on for so long!

    • desertgal66 says:

      A couple of the Playboy pictures – the cover shot, and, I think, one of the ones in the inside spread were taken last year, and they were not fully nude shots-Kelly was wrapped in some kind of cloth in those, and they weren’t all that revealing. The nude shots in the inside spread were taken by Gilles Bensimon some years ago, and you can see a significant difference, not only in Kelly’s body and face, which is more youthful, but also in the styling of the shots. The ones taken by Bensimon really don’t jibe with the usual style of Playboy photos. They’re actually pretty tacky.

      • vgirl511 says:

        Does that mean Kelly was actually telling the truth? I was hoping we had caught her in another delusion.

        • desertgal66 says:

          Well, yes and no. Kelly was bragging that she was asked to pose for Playboy at the age of 41 – i.e. it was her 41 year old body that appeared in the fully nude shots.

          It wasn’t. The fully nude shots were taken years ago, and Playboy had turned them down before. And Playboy didn’t invite her to be in the magazine-she peddled the nude photos to them, and they decided to include them after she had gained some notoriety from HW show.

          The recent shots that Playboy DID take were provocative, but really no more revealing than, say, photos of her taken at charity events wearing shirts as dresses.

          • vgirl511 says:

            So, she wasn’t actually LYING, but was very misleading. I still can’t stand her!

            I think she actually thinks her curveless, waistless body is sexy. Bethenny has a much better body than she does, and is only a year or two younger

    • MAMAZ says:

      I don’t think Kelly is as shy and girlish about sex as she pretends to be. She was married and gave birth to 2 children. She wants to present an image of the good girl. But even Jill said don’t worry about Kelly and laughed when Sonja said she didn’t think Kelly has enough sex.
      I don’t think Kelly has Aspergers Syndrome or any of the Autism Spectrum Disorders. I don’t think she’s crazy. I think she is spoiled, selfish, self absorbed and stupid. She irritates the crap out of me.

      • vgirl511 says:

        I agree with you MAMAZ, I also don’t think she is crazy. She thinks she is better than everyone else, and she is one of those people that believes their own BS!

      • Pantry Viewer says:

        I agree 100 percent. Kelly is out having plenty of sex – big deal. Why else is she going to non-stop parties dressed the way she does? Because she is a prude? Please. I also don’t believe she has any mental illness. I believe she is spoiled, rude, mean and is used to being on a pedestal. She has been exposed as stupid and mean … and a bully.

        • Zipit Zarin! says:

          Agree with all of the above. I think she’s just plain stupid and is *just* smart enough to know she’s stupid…hence her frustration and acting out. She’s not smart enough to know how to deal with it but she is smart enough to get what she wants. My dad calls people like this “Dumb as a fox”

          • DarkSonnet says:

            Agree with the above assessments.

            I’d like to hear her explain Sam Talbot away. Or at least her explanation to his wife.

      • desertgal66 says:

        I dunno. I don’t agree with the autism or Asperger’s diagnosis, but I do think Kelly is mentally ill. Mainly because ALL the housewives, who have spent more time with Kelly in person, seem to agree that, as Bethenny put it, Kelly’s wires short circuit repeatedly. Just from her inability to process information correctly, and her paranoia, I think something is psychologically wrong with her. Just my opinion.

        • DarkSonnet says:

          I’ve often wondered if the processing of information deficit could be a result of not completely listening to the person speaking.

          At times, Kelly seems disconnected from people she may perceive as “having no value” in her estimation, i.e. a waste of her valuable time. If you are deemed to be not worthy of her attention, she is aloof and disconnected from the environment.

          Narcissistic behavior can contribute to these type of actions. Kelly has a sense of entitlement that in her mind appears to give her leeway to act however she desires, whenever she desires.

          Her lack of ever admitting responsibility and deflecting her behavior onto others is telling.

          • desertgal66 says:

            Yeah, I’ve noticed that, too, and I agree.

            I’m not saying that Kelly isn’t spoiled, or arrogant, or just an unpleasant personality. I mean, to me, she’s like nails on a chalkboard. If I had to be in a room alone with her, I’d probably want to gouge my eardrums out with a spork just to make it staawwp.

            But, at the heart of it, I think there’s some form of mental instability going on. Personality disorder, developmental disorder…something.

      • tracylyn42 says:

        she is definitley very stupid.. who calls their boss a LIAR on national tv and not just one time but 3 times. she needs to get over herself because in real life she wouldnt have a job anymore.

    • TLM says:

      I always wanted to hear a conversation between between Jill Zarin and Joy Behar, because it looked to me that they had the same haircolor and the same voice. I was right!!! I also think facially they look more like sisters than Jill and her actual sister, Lisa. Eerie.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The phrase, “been there, done that” comes to mind – Kelly is like a broken record and everyone wants to get past her repeating herself but not engaging in a dialog about the past she created. Andy really tried to recap for her but she didn’t buy that clue. Reunion part 3 will hopefully give us the real dirt from the island – let’s hope Kelly doesn’t return so we will get that opportunity!

  36. MickeyMouth says:

    Kelly is delusional and Jill is a bitch. They will never see or hear this because they PAY sycophants to tell them they are wonderful.

  37. Anitabee says:

    This is odd. I have tried to post a thread to LGB1 blog about Part 2 of the RHONY reunion over at deathby1000papercuts.com but the posts don’t take.

    I am wondering if Jill’s check bounced as the author seems to have regained their senses and objectivity.

  38. Laurie in Detroit says:

    So Jill’s blog (all B.S. btw) is up on BravoTV.com And NO comments….. again. What’s up with that? So now she’s arranged to have a one-sided dialogue? NO THANKS Jill. You suck!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      waiting to see if the viewers responses are filtered like Ashley’s were – all good, no bad!

  39. TLM says:

    I’m actually surprised this is the first time people have found Sonja’s sex talk boring. I have found it tedious from the beginning. She’s acting like she’s the real-life Samantha on Sex and the City, which I didn’t care to watch either. The whole portrayal of the 40-ish predator-nympho-cougar never was cute or funny to me…I find it insulting. And I think it must be beyond creepy for her 9-yr old daughter and how she must be teased in school about it.

    • desertgal66 says:

      Yeah, I agree. I mean, I’ve nothing against a woman being confident about herself sexually-I think that’s great-but I also think that what she displays to the rest of the world shouldn’t be all about that and nothing else. Now, that could partly be Bravo editing, but, even so, I’d like to see other facets of Sonja’s personality next season. She seems like a very warmhearted woman with a wider variety of interests that we were shown this past season.

      • Pantry Viewer says:

        Yes, the sex talk gets a little boring when it’s just sex talk for the sake of it. I want to see more of her bubbly personality, but don’t care to just sit and talk about sex for the sake of it. Not a prude, just Sonja is more than that…

        • Zipit Zarin! says:

          I think she’s portraying her sex life as more than it is because of the hit to self-esteem she took from her divorce. She said her date night is Thursday (and thank God she doesn’t expose her daughter to the men in her life like Danielle does) I could be wrong of course but it just seems like the old adage “If you’re talking about it a lot you’re probably not doing it a lot”. She just seems like the kind of person who has traditional values at her core and is working all that out right now.

          • TLM says:

            I might have thought it was editing, except that she said, “I don’t know what it is, but when I’m around, the conversation always turns to sex.” Yes, Sonja, because you bring it up!! I agree with desertgal, confidence is fine, but women have to be careful that they don’t veer into sounding trampy or like their entire self-worth is wrapped up in pleasing men sexually. (Was referring to her dates as “customers” really necessary, for God’s sake??!? That was kinda gross.)

            I just feel like she *is* Samantha, and the more time goes on, the sadder that type of person gets. Ultimately, there is always someone younger and sexier to come along, and then what is she going to do? The whole Sexy Sonja schtick got old for me really fast.

            So far, Sonja has said nothing about her writing, her gardening, her restaurant consulting, anything. I think if they don’t show that soon, people are going to be very bored with her Samantha-ness.

            • Robin says:

              I might have thought it was editing, except that she said, “I don’t know what it is, but when I’m around, the conversation always turns to sex.” Yes, Sonja, because you bring it up!!

              I think that is called self depreciating humor.At least she knows how to make fun of herself and gets the joke.


  40. Scorpiosue says:

    By seeing Jill’s 360 behavior it just shows how right Bethenny was to not want to be friends again. As Jill says, she cannot change. She proved that over and over again and her newest blog entry on her site shows just how much she has not changed. She’s pitiful.

  41. just sayin' says:

    I think BRAS just snapped. I mean ,if I am sick of her symtematic bullying spin, I can’t imagine what it is like to have this revisionist history shove down their throats. That woman (Kelly) could piss off Mother Theresa . I don’t think I could have sit there and listen to that same contrived BS (sytematic bullying) for hour after after hour the way they did. Honestly, I wanted to jump through the television, snatch Kelly by the head and shove her face in a dictionary…and I don’t condone violence :).

    • Judy says:

      I agree, they had enough of her BS.

      • sbh says:

        I think that they were still carrying a lot of rage from the island (which they had to cork because Kelly was too far gone to converse with), but here, she is saying she is fine, she isn’t alone, and she is now lying. I think the phrase “COULD NOT CONTAIN THEMSELVES” comes to minds, but it would have been better if they had let her hang herself, as Lynn said.

  42. desertgal66 says:

    Olivia says:
    Jill running her mouth against Ramona for “not telling” her about Bobby Frankel’s death when we know she was fully aware of this during the same day when she e-mailed Alex but admitted again last night that her “sister in law” also notified her prior to Jennifer Gilbert’s party.

    Okay, I have to correct you here, because Jill did not jump on Ramona for not telling her about Frankel’s death-she jumped on Ramona for not telling, in the weeks prior, that Frankel was dying. Her reasoning was that, if she had known that he was dying, she would have put her animosity aside and called Bethenny.

    The fact remains that Alex DID try to tell her. NOW, Jill says that she asked Alex if Bethenny’s father was sick, and Alex never gave her a yes or no answer. This is an outright lie on Jill’s part. In the exchange with Alex, Alex told Jill that there was something significant going on in B’s life and Jill should reach out to her. Alex didn’t go into specifics, because, like Ramona, she didn’t want to break Bethenny’s confidence. Jill responded with “You mean, about her dad?”, and Alex said, “Yeeess”, very slowly. Jill’s only response to that was “Well, I know she doesn’t get along with her dad”, or words to that effect. At no point did Jill make a reference or ask a question about Bobby Frankel’s health. She laid the blame at Alex’s feet during Reunion #2, but she was lying about what was said.

    And this is the problem with Jill. She can’t stop lying, or twisting things around, and she’s continued, in the weeks since the reunion show was filmed, to badmouth her castmates and blame them for everything. Now she’s whining in her blog about how she has apologized enough-but her apologies are meaningless, since she simply turned around and repeated the same bad behavior. She’s never going to admit that, but she has.

    As for Kelly…well. All I can say is trying to find reason in Kelly’s behavior is impossible, since her behavior isn’t reasonable or logical. The woman is nuts. Unpleasant and arrogant, but still, basically, clearly mentally unstable. Better to just hope she gets help and that Bravo doesn’t exploit her further by keeping her on the show.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      I will never, ever forget Jill sitting on that stool at Alex’s house. When Alex is very clearly saying B needs a friend and about B’s father, Jill calously dismisses it by saying she wasn’t close to her father anyway, so we are all going to dismiss it. All in line with her plan to not give B one bit of anything. I will never forget that and there is no redeeming Jill for showing her true self. All because she was jealous of B getting a show. Unbelieveable.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Jill dismissed Bethenny on the show, with Alex giving her an opportunity to be her friend then when she really needed one. More telling is the fact that Jill did nothing off camera either!

    • vgirl511 says:

      With all of her google alerts and telewire updates and whatever else, wouldn’t Jill have been able to find out more information about B’s dad’s condition, if she really wanted to?

      • desertgal66 says:

        Well, Bobby Frankel never publicly announced that he was ill or undergoing treatment-most of his associates have said they had no idea, that he just disappeared from the racetrack in the months before he died. But, there’s always a grapevine, JILL. I mean, nothing stays completely “secret”.

        • Need a Hobby says:

          There were a few mentions in the media that summer of Frankel’s prolonged absence from the tracks and speculation regarding his illness. Actually, he’d been running his business from his home for about a year.

          But Jill had been told previously by Bethenny that her father was seriously ill. To claim she had no idea what Alex was talking about and couldn’t figure out the significance was BS. She knew he’d been ill (cancer). What Jill claims she needed was an actual deathwatch update so she could plan her response. Instead, news of Frankel’s death “ambushed” her. Remember, it’s all about Jill.

      • Pantry Viewer says:

        Oh, she knew. She knew all along. But to watch her try and deflect any sympathy that may come B’s way because of her jealousy made my blood run cold.

  43. suzie says:

    Get post, Lynn. I snorted at least three times, especially at the part where you said LuAnn will talk on Reunion Part 3 and we’ll all fall asleep.

  44. kathy says:

    Lynn love your blog…. I have watched this show from the beginning. This season watching Kelly I have to say it to me back to high school days when one girl would be jealous of another. I was thinking maybe because Kelly started working when she was fifteen and never had a “normal” teen age life she is stuck in that mentality. I’m sure always having people around her telling her how beautiful she is hasn’t help either. Kelly needs to get out in the real world, find real friends, a real job, and learn to live as a grown up. I fear she will not be able to help her children when they have real life issues.

    As for Jill…..I think Bethenny said it best the fame, lights, camera and attention just got to her. I think she has always been a jealous person, but then we all are from time to time. If she is staying on the show I hope she has learned to control it. It must be hard going though life with a sense of entitlement the disappointments have to hurt.

    Thanks Lynn for letting me share.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      wow! Kelly took me back to grade school with her behavior – pracing and hopping around! And I so love how she knows how to pronounce big words, like “responsibility” “systematic” but doesn’t know what they mean or how to use them correctly in a sentence.

  45. Olivia says:

    What can Jill possibly say now?

    I lied about Bobby’s illness just to get back at Bethenny? I lied about all the unnecessary drama I caused just to make myself look good? I lied and invented a reason to offer an excuse to hate on Bethenny because I was jealous? I turned the series into a private war zone just because my pride was showing? I used the press to firm up my victimhood?

    There is nothing she can say that would be acceptable since her outrageous behavior is so stunning. Add Amazongate and the baby announcement and there is really nothing more to be said

    From Twitter and her Facebook she is still scrambling to undue the damage by pointing fingers at the castmates and Bravo for her downfall. Another “apology” is not going to do it.

    The truth is in what she did. Only a therapist can straighten that out.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      See, that’s how I see it. She did so many awful things that I can’t even find the proper words for how awful she was. She throws out some insincere apologies, spewing hate in realtime on her social media and asks where is the forgiveness? Really? I don’t see how anyone can forgive what she has done. Acknowleding that she is half apologizing, okay. But I think she wants back up on a princess throne and all be forgotten. It just doesn’t work that way.

      I have wondered about the weird “fans” she has. Obviously, many are fake. Those that aren’t fake are obviously folks who aren’t following her real life antics and just getting their opinion solely from the show, not the whole picture.

      When I used to check out her FB page occasionally a few months ago, there were fans who said, I had a friend like B before that dropped me when they got a boyfriend. They obviously don’t get the whole picture either and have their own ax to grind with someone in their past and relate.

      • Laurie in Detroit says:

        Last Night, Jill Zarin: “I didn’t like myself. I have changed… I really have. And you’ll see it today.”

        One Day Later, Jill Zarin: “I said I was sorry, what else ya want me to do? Why won’t these bitches forgive me. Sheesh! I’m done!”

  46. sophie says:

    Have you noticed in addition to the nonsense that Kelly generally spews, her weirdly innappropriate responses to people? “Thankyou so much” being the most widely used. Even for criticism. Or for nothing. She’s certainly one who should be seen and not heard.

    For a ‘writer’ she’s certainly unable to express herself. For an ‘editor’ she’s certainly unable to edit herself.

    I think she’s given a LOT of ‘help’ by those who love her…i.e. ‘jobs’, ‘assignments’, ‘projects’ which keep her busy. What I mean by that is her ex-husband. I’d be very surprised if she even has full legal custody of her children. They seem more like visitors in her home. I think they are primarily raised by nannys, living with their dad in the same building… and ‘visit’ mommy whenever they’d like.

    There’s obviously something wrong with her and everyone in her world is completely aware of it. They’ve protected her from herself for decades and probably couldn’t stop her from appearing on this show, where she’s brought it to national attention.

    • desertgal66 says:

      I agree. And, I’ve also noticed that Kelly is absolutely incapable of introspection, which would jibe with people protecting her from herself for most of her life.

      • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

        Remember on the island when she said something like “Well, everyone is crazy about me, because I don’t go there!” or something like that?? I took it at the time to mean that she (believes) that she doesn’t gossip or be mean about people – but maybe she thinks people are crazy about her because those close to her just pat her on the head, say “Good Kelly” and let her eat jelly beans because they know there is no point in discussing anything with her……

        • Laurie in Detroit says:

          No, she said on the island that it “makes people crazy” that she wont’ discuss things, feelings, the past, the future, possibilities, etc. Her only discussion topics are what’s happening in the room she’s in right now. Otherwise, zip it!

          • Alexa Rose says:

            On the feelings subject: At the fashion show where it was Ramona, Avery, and Kelly, it was Kelly who said it “hurt my feelings” that Ramona didn’t invite me to her Hamptons bbq. But then again, why would she want to be invited somewhere where she has to be fake and like hiiiiii and not “genuine”. Also, her constant “I’m real and these women are not” is annoying and childish. Yet, she claimed (on the yacht) that it’s Bethenny who goes around saying that she is better than her (Kelly).

            If any of the other women had shot nude for Playboy she would have considered it a huge indiscretion. But because she was asked, then it is okay.

            • sbh says:

              As far as the b-b-q is concerned, I think someone said to her, “you weren’t invited? Wow, your feelings must have been hurt” and she is like, “why yes, yes they were.”

            • tracylyn42 says:

              and kelly wasnt asked to be in playboy. she was turned down 9 yrs ago and is only in it now because she asked them again and they did it because of her being on the show. but does anyone find it funny that she all of a sudden wanted to be in playboy again after B posed nude for peta? and kelly pictures are very old. the picture of kelly on the cover is def not the present day leathered face kelly. she goes on about how honored that they would want her at 41.. lol they dont thats why they used pictures of her that are 9 yrs old. about the same age that she acts

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kelly’s “I appreciate that, thank you very much” is what a teenage girl would say when it is not cool to just say “FUCK YOU!”

  47. LadeyDiana says:
    • sbh says:

      Holey Hell, what is with that pic of Beth? Skeleton much?

      • Laurie in Detroit says:

        I’m a huge Bethanny fan, but holey-shitballs that photo is scary! Tiny bit higher forehead and she’d be a ringer for Christina Ricci (who I don’t think is attractive). Bethanny – eat something!

  48. moriasheehan says:

    sophie, thank you so much, i appreciate it. honestly. LOL

  49. Noreen says:

    Does anyone know what the “spread eagle in your husband’s hotel hallway” from Jill toward Alex is all about? I think I saw it in the preview for Thursday’s show.

    • desertgal66 says:

      I think Jill was referring to those nude pictures of Alex that surfaced a few years ago. I’m not clear why it was brought up, though. Didn’t they already cover that at a previous reunion?

      My guess is Jill was trying to deflect criticism for her own bad behavior onto Alex, as in “Yeah, I’ve been a bitch all season, but, hey, look at Alex! She posed for nude photos in her husband’s hotel hallway!”

      • shantygal says:

        I hope Alex responds with “We know Jill, it was discussed last year. This is the SEASON THREE reunion show”.

    • Quincy IL says:

      I was hateful of Jill to bring up “spread eagle” out of the blue. Jill wants to destroy Alex. They cut Alex off in that first year reunion show and we didn’t get to hear how those photos were released.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      It could be in defending Kelly’s playboy spread, Jill will attack Alex with that comment – why because it is all Alex’s fault and Jill may still believe she can engineer having her removed from the show.

  50. Olivia says:

    Years ago I had a neighbor with a very unruly 7 yr old child. He hurt the other kids with his aggression, did damage to neighbors property by pulling up plants and using his Matchbook toys to key cars, and spit at the grown ups who called him out for his behavior. He tortured animals and was a general nuisance throughout the neighborhood for years.

    His parents way of dealing with this was to accuse the other kids of asking for it by “not being nice to him”. Then they would hustle him off to Friendly’s or Toys R Us and reward him for his behavior by “making him feel better”. Years later, at the age of 17, he tried to burn the school down and threatened those who had turned him in.

    I hate to see bad behavior rewarded and that would be the case if Bravo seeks Jill’s return to the series. We all know that her greedy need for fame is what drives her and ratings or not, she should be deprived of the one thing in the world that she craves most. By re-signing her to another season would be doing nothing different than the parents of that kid. Accountability comes in many forms but holding her accountable for the damage she brought forth would be the correct step in dealing with the Jill issue which has me hanging from the ceiling today.

    • kokuanani says:

      Well that was a worthless few sentences of fluff.

      C’mon, Ramona, you can do better.

  51. PFinFL says:

    I’ll say it again…Jill cannot remember the things she refuses to acknowlege.

    I know what you mean about the BRAS while Kelly was trying to say systematic bullying as many times as possible. But to hear a great amount of delusional lies coming from KellyLand I could totally understand the defense.

    Jill & Kelly def need to go !

    Prediction: Bravo gets mad at Kelly for trying to say they made her go….two words….LOST FOOTAGE!

  52. Sinfullydelicious says:

    Been reading for a few weeks now and think this site is great — very insightful, wonderfully entertaining and downright funny as hell….thought I’d post a thought since I haven’t seen anyone bring it up yet….After the Virgin Island trip, Kelly is seen having lunch with Jill, Luann and Jen — in this lunch she states that Bethenny came right out and told Kelly that she did everything to smear Kelly in the press — WTF? Also, she accused Bethenny of telling Kelly to have a one night stand, when it was Sonja. This woman has a very abnormal deep seeded hatred of Bethenny to the point that she lies and attributes things to Bethenny that B never said! Why hasn’t anyone called her on this? Also, the “channeling the Devil” comment made by Jill and Kelly — Alex was on the right track about Kelly making this comment in St. John’s and correlating it with Jill’s at the fashion show — but she was shot down immediately that it was just a coincidence since Kelly had not seen Jill’s comment yet — however, Jill was on the phone with Kelly the entire trip and I get the feeling that Jill was feeding Kelly one-liners to use against the women….there’s coincidence and then there’s just downright “systematic bullying” — which it seems to me was instigated by Kelly with Jill as her coach….Thanks for the site — it’s been great reading everyone’s comments and seeing just how insightful people really are — there’s an old saying Jill and Kelly — “if enough people are saying the same thing about you, you better take a good hard look in the mirror”….

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill has put words in Kelly’s mouth only she doesn’t know which words go where in any given conversation…..in other words Kelly can’t channel Jill as much as she would like to!

      • Laurie in Detroit says:

        She reminds me of Tim Allen after coming back into the house after a discussion with his neighbor Wilson. Remember Wilson would give him advice in the form of metaphors and quotations, then Tim would come in and try to act all smart by repeating it, but he’d end up mangling the phrase. Probably where “satchels of gold” came from… maybe someone said something to her like “pearls of wisdom”.

    • sbh says:

      These things were discussed and some really good thoughts were blogged. If you are curious, see if you can get to Lynn’s blogs and comments from around the time the VI episodes aired.

  53. otaypanky says:

    Joy just announced on THE VIEW that she has amor (who) on tonite to discuss her feud with B.


    This cretin amor (who?) is looking for viewership. This is a dead show as far as I’m concerned. Do not feed this troll.

    • linds says:

      first time commenter! hi everybody
      lynn, what can i say? your blogs make me howl with laughter!

      anyway just a response to Otay regarding joy behar and her show tonight. she is having omarosa on…you know, the walking, talking real live C U Next Tuesday? (from “the apprentice”)

      her and B actually ARE feuding and its regarding comment B said on ‘the view’ last week. she said omarosa was more infamous than famous, and she doesnt relate to the way both became famous.

      Omarosa has already shot back saying B had a tummy tuck, and that everyone knows her husband is gay.
      so, it could be pretty entertaining to see her on the show tonight. she is a dreadful human being!

  54. Dwight Schrute says:

    Jill doesn’t understand that her apologies ring hollow. The reunion shows were taped months after all the other episodes ended. When you continue to lie at the reunion, get caught in the lie, and immediately apologize and expect instant forgiveness while you continue to issue other lies, people just don’t buy it.

    I do have a couple of questions for some of the cast. Kelly: Why did receiving a gift bag from Bethenney make you go so over the top? Bethenney: How is that b*tch on wheels Cookie reacting to the new baby?

    • vilzvet says:

      The gift bag reaction should definitely be addressed! Would love to hear Kelly’s explanation as to why it put her to tears!!

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        really but it would be more fun to ask her about Jill carrying a bag with her picture on it? Creepy!

  55. LadeyDiana says:

    I love Alex! Glamour magazine has a wonderful article about her style and elegant fashion sense. http://www.glamour.com/fashion/blogs/slaves-to-fashion/2010/06/our-pick-for-the-best-dressed.html

    • Noreen says:

      Thanks for posting – Jill should be crying right about now. And what is with all the halter tops on the OC? They could wear the same ugly halter all season and just switch out the beading on the front.

  56. Zipit Zarin! says:

    I agree with you 100 percent but they’re still going to do it just like that boy’s parents did.

  57. Zipit Zarin! says:

    Ooops, that was meant for Olivia 😀

  58. WindyCityWondering says:

    It will be interested in when they get to LuAnn because she will try to throw a manner lesson in as a dodge to the questions directed at her. Jill throws fake apologies. LuAnn throws behavior bombs. Neither will work with BRAS. Dahlings!

  59. moriasheehan says:

    i just read the comments Bravo allowed on jill and kelly’ blogs, censored or what?????

  60. liptontb says:

    OK. Just read Jill’s blog — whine, whine, whine — “why do MY apologies fall on deaf ears?”
    Uh, Jill, honey, how many times did you want Bethenny to apologize? You were “done” with her. You refused all of her attempts to talk. And now you expect the others to do what you wouldn’t do all season long.
    You’ve got one short memory there, girl.

    • sbh says:

      As I said in one of my (too many) blogs above: Jill, you did too much to too many, and apologized (sincerely apologized) too little to everybody. Hence, deaf ears.

  61. angelofdevs says:

    I added a bloganalysis for Ramona if anyone is interested. I did not add a lot of examples because I see her diagnosis as fairly clear cut, feel free to add anything- up or down emotional behaviors of Ramona that you recall. Heck feel free to tell me I am full of it. LOL.


    • Zipit Zarin! says:

      Thank you for those analysis! I book-marked it to refer to over and over. I think I was married to a combo of all those sickos. LOL

    • sbh says:

      Okay, now do me!

    • sbh says:

      Kidding, kidding,…

      Could you please do Caroline Manzo next? People have such mixed opinions about her.

      Also, is Sheree from Atlanta a narcissist too? It sure sounds like she has a few of those qualities. Well so does Kim and Nene…

  62. Olivia says:

    I probably have used up my quota of rants for today but I just want to add one more thing. For anyone who feels any form of sympathy for Jill, or just feels that she has been beaten up enough to be awarded a pardon, let me just throw in a few reminders of what she did:

    Calling Bethenny “toxic”. Telling her that “we are done” while Lu Ann lurks in the background. Telling Bethenny to her face that she “scares” her. Replaying that phone message to anyone within earshot. Reminding Bethenny of Bobby’s generosity as if Bethenny was one step away from a park bench. Accusing her of being ungrateful. Turning her back on Bethenny at the Bachelor’s Event. And more.

    This faux outrage was made up out of whole cloth. A huge lie generated by Jill from the beginning. Unlike Jill, I never forget. She does not deserve forgiveness for reducing a “friend” to beg for a reconciliation because there was never anything there to begin with. Deliberately destroying the reputation of another person is unforgivable. Particularly since the reason was an invention from the outset.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      I share your frustration with Jill.

      I have compartmentalized her as being a selfish, greedy, grubby, pathological liar attention whore, who will never take responsibility for ANY of her actions.

      I’m speaking of true responsibility, not PR hollow apologies.

      She will not change because she has no desire to change. She expects everyone else to conform to her view of situations.

      I will not be in the audience if she comes back next year. I find it relatively easy to walk away from people who have a total lack of social morality. I walked away from New Jersey and never had a twinge to “glance” back and see what was happening this year.

    • desertgal66 says:

      I agree. I said it before – Jill set Bethenny up. I mean, Jill got upset when Bethenny went on the Today show without her, so imagine how she must have felt when she heard that Bethenny got her own show. She tried to present B. as an unsympathetic, cold, and calculating bitch, and turn away viewers that might have supported Bethenny’s new show. It was only after Jill realized that she was going to appear the heartless one by continuing her crusade against a pregnant, newly engaged girl who had just lost her father that Jill attempted to appear to want a reconciliation with Bethenny.

      Bethenny said it last night – the night of the Gotham party, when she found out B. was engaged AFTER she had walked away, Jill did a complete 180-to save her own ass. And it was too late. All it did was reveal how calculating her own behavior had been in retrospect.

      Now, Alex is the target. Jill is doing all she can to alienate Alex in the hope that Bravo won’t invite Alex back to the show next season. Water is less transparent than Jill.

      • DarkSonnet says:

        I’m not sure that Jill will be happy with just alienating Alex so that she will not be back on the show next year.

        I believe her agenda is much broader than that. I believe that she will attempt to totally destroy Alex, just as she attempted to destroy Bethenny.

        Her vendetta exceeds the scope of the show.

        • ElleNYC says:

          @DarkSonnet- Agreed, Jill will TRY to destroy Alex because she is a jealous fiend and rarely has control of her mouth or her actions. She has tried to shut-up on the reunion shows and then jumps up like a balloon about to burst. The girl can’t help it.

          And enough with the crying, Jill. We are not giving you the sympathy vote.

        • MAMAZ says:

          And don’t forget how many of those sentiments kelly echoed on the boat/island. Particularly her fear of Bethenny.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Do you really think Ramona and Sonja will let Alex be isolated or alienated? They went to war together – they bonded and trust each other and have each other’s back now. Jill can try but it will only make Alex’s star shine brighter and grow bigger.

    • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

      Olivia – if there’s a quota, you can have mine – love your posts!

      And thank you, Lynn!

    • sbh says:

      Yeah, your last paragraph–I basically said the same thing in one of my blogs, but you said it so much more eloquently. Well done.

  63. shantygal says:

    So, Mr. Shanty was watching with me last night and during Kelly’s segment he said, “They are bullying her. They’re all attacking at her at the same time”. AAARRGGGHH.

    I had a light bulb moment, because yes, at that particular moment, without any knowledge of past behavior, it does appear they are attacking her. What I explained to the Mr. is that what they actually are doing is “correcting” her. And that is when I realized how Kelly must see things. She continuously uses incorrect phrasing, metaphors, etc. and at times, people surely correct her. Don’t we all do that? When a person uses the wrong term or calls someone by the incorrect name? We think we are just helping them out by provide the correct term.

    There is definetly a malfunction in the way Kelly’s mind processes information. She sees a correction as an attack. If more than one person corrects her at the same time, it is bullying. I don’t know how she could possibly be diagnosed or treated because you just cannot get through all of the tangled, mis-firing wires in her head. She cannot see things the way others see them. It’s kind of mind boggling to know that she was married and had two children and , I’m assuming, cared for them as infants. I believe she disassociates when things are the least bit uncomfortable. Others just step in and take care of things.

  64. WindyCityWondering says:

    Kelly once again tags her Bravo Blog with “Compete with yourself, cooperated with others”. She has the first part down pat, but the second part…….not so much!

  65. celeste says:

    I’m reposting this from my late night post last night because I think it’s true :
    celeste says:
    June 15, 2010 at 12:03 am

    HOLY SHITBALLS! I get it. Jill hired 4 PR people and did a 2 for one deal with Kelly so she could get her PR people to come up with Kelly’s Systematic Bullying bullshit spin and get a 50% discount. Kells Bells, Kelly got the wrong end of the stick!!!! Kelly, ditch Jill’s crappy PR people and get yourself to rehab pronto.
    PS: no way Kelly has Aspergers, those are usually highly intelligent/genius people. Kelly’s eyes and skin had that shiney, grayish tinge on St. John when she broke down, which tells me she was doing drugs – either meth, or mixing cocaine and ambien cr for the extra high. it’s all the big thing now, mixing coke and ambien cr as ambien is a hallucingenic drug that enables sleep, but also gives you a trip when you take it with cocaine. Ambien also makes you excited and hungry, and completely irrational. For some people it acts like sodium pentathol. I used to be an ambien addict, and this happened to me.

    • celeste says:

      One more thing: some people (esecially the models/photographers etc who move in kelly’s crowd) don’t do drugs all the time, they only do recreational drugs on weekends, vacations etc. Maybe kelly thought it would be fun to do some chemical recreation in St John, but she lost control of the situation. Srsly, anyone who has done narcotics will tell you her sweaty skin, weird glistening eyes and jaw movements on the night she had her meltdown were from drugs.

      • ElleNYC says:

        I have posted this before, a good friend of mine here in NYC was a top model before she got married and had a baby: fashion week, print ads, commercials, etc. and for a fact there are a lot of drugs around and non-stop partying.

        But I have never seen anyone act as crazy as Kelly. Well, whoa there, that’s not exactly true. The fashion crowd in NYC is not known for being all that stable…….so that may explain some of Kelly’s behavior. Some people here would consider it NORMAL! And maybe that’s why she has never been called out about her mood-swings and manic-depressive episodes.

  66. shantygal says:

    Lynn, agree that Luann really didn’t have a story line this season. Neither did Jill, that’s why she had to manufacture one. Holding on to that voicemail was her guarantee of a story line. Without that, what would she have? The skating party? Pffffffffffft.

    • sbh says:

      C’mon now, Jill had stuff! Let’s see…getting Ally ready for college, a.k.a. doing all the work for her, her dog’s poop–I mean her book, and of course, let’s not forget her actual dog’s poop. She had a lot going for her, bashing Bethenny was unecessary (because of course, everything she does is so damn fascinating)

  67. Kelly Jelly Beansomeone says:

    @shantygal…..I think you’re onto something valid. She even responded to Andy’s correction as an attack. She don’t know up from down, that one.

    I’ve been thinking back too, on the post-trip lunch scene with LuAnn, Jill, Jen and Kelly. When they ask Kelly to tell them what happened and she says “Bethenny told me herself that she had a engaged in a smear campaign against me in the press”; you can see this look that crosses Jill’s face.

    At that moment, Jill, who knows Bethenny very well, realizes that Kelly is basically sitting there spitting out a bunch of weird-ass lies and maybe everything Jill heard about Kelly’s freakout on the trip was true.

    But I also wonder something else.
    We’ve seen how Kelly absorbs the malicious comments of her crew and reguritates them later inappropriately. I’d bet money that Jill herself used the phrase “smear-campaign” in front of Kelly while discussing what she (JILL), herself, was doing to Bethenny.
    Kelly repeatedly accuses Bethenny of having Jill’s character defects. “Vile, malicious, hateful, bullying, conniving, gross, deceitful, etc …” I wonder if the smear campaign isn’t yet another Jill-thing that Kelly has transposed onto Bethenny. Remember, she also did it with the one-night stand comment that SONJA made. Immediately, it becomes Bethenny who said it in her mind.

    I think she really can’t combine the concepts of someone she likes engaging in bad behavior or saying bad things. She instantly divorces the two and projects the “badness” to her chosen “bad-person” target (ie: Bethenny).

    • MickeyMouth says:

      “We’ve seen how Kelly absorbs the malicious comments of her crew and reguritates them later inappropriately. ” This is exactly what I think too. In fact I made a chop of it. (http://mickeymouth1.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/jillzarinkellydoll.jpg) I still wonder if there isn’t a moment on the VI trip when Bethenny sarcastically says something like “yeah I smeared you in the press” but of course literal Kelly beleives this to be an omission of guilt.

      • vgirl511 says:

        I think that is exactly what happened Mickey Mouth, that is exactly what I was thinking.

      • MAMAZ says:

        MickeyMouth – Every time you put a link on here I say it’s my favorite. But this one is REALLY my favorite. Now please do one of Alex as Samantha on Bewitched and Jill as Endora.

      • anniieee says:

        Mickey that was awesome as always… Smellykelly is soooo greasy looking.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Let’s give the giant some credit – she did memorize her bs speech and everyone kept interupting her………she had a natural juvenile reaction – she stomped off (and did you catch her trying to hide a smile as she left?). Sly as a fox sure does fit for me.

  68. Susu says:


    I am leaving for Israel tomorrow to do a Yiddish course and i just checked my emails and found out that a Shapero Allyson from NY is in my course!!!!!!!! OMG, i have a feeling that this is going to be Ally…. I just hate Jill Zarin

    • yesIwatchthiscrap says:

      OMG so funny Susu! If it is her, just play nice lol. Maybe you could get some inside scoop….just pretend how much you love her mom. But seriously, Ally seems very nice and likeable. We don’t know what her dad is like so maybe she is more like him and less like Jill.

      • Susu says:

        ok..I am sure Ally is a nice girl! But 2 students are going to share a bedroom in a flat with 3 bedrooms in the dormitory, which means 6 students are always sharing 1 kitchen and 1 bathroom..i just hope i won’t have to share a bedroom with her!!!! Cuz i couldn’t bear it to hear Jill calling her every day on the phone with her loud and annoying voice….

        • DarkSonnet says:

          Posted by Ally on her Twitter:

          ” @IndraniPC hey!I am going to India tmr for a photography program! Any advice before I leave?Love your work & so sad I can’t go to your party about 6 hours ago via web in reply to IndraniPC”

        • sbh says:

          With a mom like that, how can you not feel sympathetic toward her?
          Most importantly, following WindyCity below, if she doesn’t tell anyone who her mom is, and no one else recognizes her, don’t be the one to spill the beans. WE ALL deserve a rest from that voice, especially the ones forced to hear it 24/7. Let her enjoy herself.

          Also, where in Israel are you going?

      • Laurie in Detroit says:

        There’re probably hundreds of Ally Shapiros in Israel, but just in case it’s her, be sweet. It’s not her fault.

      • Vicky says:

        That would be a shitty thing to do to a kid!! Channeling Jill a little there. You should stay away from her and leave her alone. I can’t stand Jill Zarin, but that is low!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Ally is likely trying to put as much distance between her mother’s hot mess and herself as she can. She needs a break!

  69. CatNKC says:

    I agree that Jill’s apologies are insincere and that she hasn’t changed. I really don’t believe that she can or will ever change, and I don’t think that she really wants to. She simply wants the heat off of her right now. I think that her comment to Lisa discussing her desire to call Bethenny (during her holiday party) is very telling of how she usually handles her bad behavior, “I just want to make like it never happened.”

    In last night’s episode she gave us a clear example that she hasn’t changed when following Sonja’s explanation that anyone who really knew her knows that she doesn’t have paying customers, Jill pipes in with no, they get it free (paraphrasing here).

  70. Zipit Zarin! says:

    Ok, Imina come clean and admit I am completely addicted to this blog. It’s like getting together with real people (uh, note to self – it IS getting together with real people lol). I open other windows to play word games but keep checking back for new posts, check on my relatives and friends on FaceBook, when I go outside to smoke I follow Lynn on Twitter on my cell and when I’m at my nanny job I check my cell a lot, etc etc. Today on my day off I put chicken breast, Rotel and cream of chicken soup in the crock pot so I don’t have to spend any time in the kitchen. Lynn, if you ever stop blogging I hope you offer a 12 step program for recovery! Love love love all the posters …cept the trolls of course. People here are so quick to spot them it’s frickin amazing. AND how to deal with them. The IQ here is fantastic!
    Thanx for hearing my confession 🙂

  71. DJ says:

    Lynn, as radio listeners say – longtime reader, first time poster. I found your blog through Amazon and love it! I agree with all of the many incisive comments about Jill. I feel bad for Alex as it appears she’s next in line for Jill’s loving attention. I just wanted to ask what you thought about the Rachel Uchitel comment. I think that the Countess tried to laughingly compare Sonya with Rachel when Sonya was giving some of her early background/work history. It certainly seemed snarky on old Louann’s part. Where were her manners?

  72. ElleNYC says:

    Question, did anyone other than myself think that Sonja’s response to Andy’s question about her job before she got married was totally nuts? Don’t get me wrong, I like Sonja and she is a much needed breath of fresh air for the show.

    I can only imagine Jillosity screaming at Bawby, “Sonja’s a liar, she was a hostess at San Pietro!”


    • sbh says:

      I hated when everyone stopped sonja from finishing her story about how she and hubby met. also, may I say, that little girl is so cute and sonja seems to adore her.

  73. Buffywood says:

    Wow certainly comes to mind… I enjoyed blowing off 1/2 of my workday so far catching up on everything. There is so much said that I agree with 100% so I will simply state “Damn the people here are smart”!!
    Now that we have established how bright Lynn’s followers are I have some questions… Does anyone in here every read the “I love you Jill” and “I love you Kelly”, “You are my favorite person, don’t listen to the haters” and think to yourself OMG there are really people that stupid out there (excluding their friends, families, and pseudonyms (is that the right word for making up fake names and posting about yourself? And yes I had to look up how to spell it). I see some of those comments on Facebook and I can’t help to click on the person’s name to see more about them. It is like I am mentally picturing them on the Post Office “most wanted” wall and making a mental note to stay away as they must be delusional. Seriously it is these people who I prey do not vote or serve on a jury. It really isn’t about them not agreeing with me as I love a good debate on views but this is more of a case of people thinking the sky is the ocean.
    Along a similar line that is how some of the girls must feel when dealing with Kelly as well. I too wish they would have been able to keep quiet and let her pull out just enough rope to hang herself with, then pointed out how everything made no sense. It is just so hard to act rationally sometimes with irrational people. If you knew my family you would know that I have a good bit of experience in this department.
    Along yet another similar line, just because someone is irrational doesn’t always mean they have a medical condition, mental condition, previous abuse or any other POSSIBLE excuse in the book to behave like they do. I am not saying it is not the case (I could throw in another family reference but will decline) but sometimes they are just simply irrational. By trying to define it in some other way I feel like it also excuses it. Kelly is totally irrational pure and simple, regardless of any possible reason (which doesn’t constitute an excuse). Kelly NEEDS to leave the show as 1) it is very destructive to the others on the show to interact with her 2) it is frustrating for us (the intelligent and reasonable) viewers to watch her and 3) it gives the other irrational people (see those referenced in paragraph 2) in the world some validity as they can say see I am “normal” and I just like that Kelly girl and she must be normal, she is a “Real” housewife.
    Crap, it is after 1… I better pretend to do some work today. Have a great day!

    • Zipit Zarin! says:

      LOL “most wanted posters”

    • sbh says:

      ooh I like your name…

    • Laurie in Detroit says:

      Yeah, when I read the blog comments sympathetic to either Jill or Kelly, I want to pull my hair out that there are so many gullible people out there. But THEN I remember that these people are probably paid staffers. 20 people, each with 10 or 15 different aliases. Yep, that’s it. Gotta be. No other explanation for it.

  74. Katiecoo says:

    I just had to carry this post over from the last blog in case no one saw it (toward the end). Thanks Olivia for putting this so coherently:

    Olivia says:
    June 15, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Another thing we learned from last night’s NY mess.

    This has been bothering me since I saw the show last night. Now that it is established that Jill conjured up her reason for slamming Bethenny regarding Bobby’s not so critical health scare, the scene in Ramona’s living room came to mind again.

    Bethenny went there fresh from her father’s rejection in LA in an attempt to sort things out with Jill. She came on bended knee after several futile attempts in the past that Jill rejected. Bethenny bares herself to Jill, apologizing for something that she never did since no one was aware of Bobby’s illness until Labor Day yet Jill refused to grant give in. “I wasn’t prepared. I was ambushed” was the handy excuse.

    Yet what we now know is that the whole thing was manufactured. Bethenny had done nothing wrong. Jill got exactly what she had set out to do. She had Bethenny “groveling” for forgiveness. She had the one area of Bethenny’s life that she could control.

    Unable to control the new boyfriend, the separate appearances on the Today Show, the new series that Bravo offered Bethenny, she was able to control the episode by withholding the “forgiveness” that Bethenny sought from her. By pleading “I was not ready” gave her the opportunity to stretch out the misery and find a more suitable time to confer on Bethenny the chance for Jill to show her magnaminity by “forgiving her sins” on camera. Saint Jill!

    The cheapest part is that Bethenny had no idea of what she was up against. She had no idea she was apologizing for nothing. Absolutely nothing. This is a mortal sin and Jill inflicted this on her “friend” as Lu Ann and Kelly rubbed her back, escorted her in and out of events, and got in the faces of other cast members because of Jill’s phony behavior.

    This woman is seriously demented as 14 weeks of lies were presented as fact and all done in the effort to destroy another person. Sickening.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      The above post is an excellent explanation of why this amazing blog site exists and thrives.

      Starting with Lynn, who brilliantly focuses our thoughts for the day (because the subject matter is so vast), then to be followed by the very analytical, intelligent commenters, makes this site a welcome oasis from the Desert of JillZ.

      I have always considered Olivia to be at or very near the head of the class. Her posts frequently bear repeating on a fast moving site such as this.

      I could only hope to “wear her like last years Versace”… ;o)

      Thanks to Olivia and all the other insightful commenters on this blog, who take their time to share their thoughts. I raise my glass to all of you!

    • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

      And today she calls herself “Divine”!

      • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

        That isn’t in the right place — I think Olivia’s posts are amazingly insightful and well-written. The divine part was in reference to St. Jill. Sorry!

  75. jennifer says:

    Sorry if someone already wrote this but my 2 fav parts were-

    Jill calling Ramona a liar to her face about Jill saying don’t shoot with Bethenny, and then Jill admitting within seconds yes she actually said that, sorry. I am surprised Ramona didn’t call her out right there, and it frustrates me no one did

    2nd- was Andy saying to Kelly “ok, so you’re using this experince as a platform for an issue” and she sayd “No, I didn’t say thta” and even Jill says “Yes, thats what you just said”…..To me this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt how delusional Kelly is…she just said it, but doesn’t even know what she is saying. Makes me think someone put words into her mouth, and she deosn’t understand her own “message”

    I think JZ has run out of options on how to get the public back so now she is going to try and change the story, saying she was set up and things happened we couldn’t see…
    In the real world, if you call your boss (Andy) a liar to his face (like Kelly) and tell the public he set you up to make you look bad (Jill) you get fired. So….fingers crossed

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Ramona calls Jill out for it in her blog.

      “In the real world, if you call your boss (Andy) a liar to his face (like Kelly) and tell the public he set you up to make you look bad (Jill) you get fired. So….fingers crossed” – from your lips to the Bravo gods ears.

    • ElleNYC says:

      Well said, Jennifer! Love the “real world” comment, just what I was thinking too.

      The very best ending to the reunion show on Thursday will be Andy pulling a Donald Trump on Jill Zarin, “Jill, YOU’RE FIRED!”.

  76. Katiecoo says:

    My post to Bravo in case it doesnt’ get posted. To Jill’s ridiculous blog post about what everyone else “should” do.

    “The first time someone shows you who they are, believe it”.

    Maya Angelou

    Jill, you showed those women, and us the viewers, not what you DID, but who you ARE over and over and over again for weeks and months. Including with this post.

    Let me ask you this. If a man had cheated on his wife for months, attempted to make her believe she was nuts and convinced their friends to side against her for months, refused to work things out with her because of the “grudge” he held against her for accusing him of cheating (even though he was), would you advise this woman to forgive him and take her back just because he finally “apologized”?

    Letting you go from their lives and stop worrying about you and your bad behavior is one thing. Letting you back in would be just self abusive for most of them, especially Bethenny and Alex.

    You made your bed and I hope you lie in it, off this show after this season.

    • sbh says:

      Poor Jilly is so frustrated. Jill is expecting LOVE from everyone. I mean, Bethenny apologized, Jill refused it, and Everyone loved Bethenny (and hated on Jill). Jill does not understand why if she apologizes to Bethenny, and Bethenny doesn’t accept it, then why isn’t everyone loving Jill (and I guess hating on Bethenny)? The formula isn’t working!! (fake apologies aren’t a strategic pr plan dumb ass)

      • Vicky says:

        I agree, except I think Bethenny has forgiven Jill. I think she accepted her apology. I think she can forgive her. That does not mean Jill will still have a place in her heart, or her life, or her new show(which is what Jill really cares about). I have a feeling that is the case with Bethenny.

  77. Bravo fan says:

    Not sure if anyone brought this up yet, but did you see Page 6 of the Post? It says Bravo will be looking for new housewives. The writer says they think these new housewives will be taking Bethanny, Alex and Jennifers spots. Do you think this came from a Jill lover or what? There wasn’t even speculation of Kelly leaving never mind Jill.

  78. emt2 says:

    I wish that the women had not yelled at Kelly and continuously interrupted her. Bethenny does that a lot when other people are talking. Hell, they all do. lol

    Unfortunately, I do think that sometimes Kelly was ganged up on at times during her run on the show (but she was NOT a victim of systematic bullying). And Bethenny told others not to film with her and vote her off the show. That is what Jill did, this year. Granted B and Jill were friends and Kelly and B were not, BUT it is still shady behavior on the part of Bethenny.

    Bethenny never apologized to Kelly about that. She said, it’s true, I didn’t want you on the show and no one else did either. Why should Jill have to be the only one to apologize about telling the cast not to film with Bethenny? Bethenny didn’t take full responsibility because she said that no one else wanted to film with Kelly and that’s not true.

    Also, I think that Kelly calling Bethenny a cook, not a chef, stems from comments last year that Bethenny made about Kelly not being a real journalist and making fun of her columns she wrote for Page Six Magazine. Kelly should have brought that up. It would have made her case more understandable.

    I think that Bethenny has displayed a lot of bad behavior over the years and it’s excused because we all like her so much but she did like to pick fights with people unprovoked (Rachel Zoe, Gwyneth Paltrow, the Indian model on Top Chef, etc.) She did say “zingers” at the expense of others in order to make herself look better.

    Also, on the boat Bethenny and Kelly were arguing at the breakfast table. Bethenny pointed to Kelly and said “Kelly, stop the bullshit. Everyone is seeing it and it’s you. Everyone sees what you are doing.” Later Bethenny said “Does everyone see this? Is everyone on the same page that I’m on?” and at the table during dinner Bethenny said “Everyone thinks you are crazy.”

    In that sense I do see how Kelly may have felt like Bethenny was rallying people behind her because Bethenny does do that, sometimes. However, the other women were not bullying Kelly at all. Also, the reason why they stopped yelling at Kelly was not because of Bethenny calling a cease-fire. Sonja was the one who was compassionate and tried to protect Kelly. I think that Bethenny would have continued to yell at Kelly if Sonja had not of stepped in and forced everyone to stop.

    Last year, it wasn’t Kelly who started it with Bethenny. Bethenny started it with Kelly and Kelly reacted very badly but Bethenny did start it and she admitted that she didn’t like Kelly from awhile back and didn’t want her to be on the show.

    I love Bethenny but she doesn’t get a free pass on her bad behavior just as Jill cannot get a free pass.

    • Noreen says:

      I see what you are saying BUT, I think Bethenny sees herself as one of us while Kelly thinks she is a rock star. All last and this season she referenced in blogs, twitters, articles how nice it is to be with “real” celebrities. She treated Bethenny with disdain before she even came on the RHONY. They “knew” of each other, or at least Bethenny did before Kelly came on the show. And Kelly said she never came on the show for money, she came on for her ego. Bethenny has always been honest with her fan base that she came on for the platform to start her brand. Bethenny is self admittedly snarky, but she is damn funny. Jill and Kelly are just nasty for no reason. And Bethenny has changed and admits it. And she always owns what she says or said. She won’t run from it like tweedle dee and tweelde dummer. Bettheny gets a pass for me.

    • kats2 says:

      Bethenny has repeatedly and authentically apologized to Kelly and it’s Kelly who brought the shit back up and added some major zingers. So where Kelly is concerned I give B a total pass.

    • vgirl511 says:

      But last season, Bethenny met with Kelly, and she tried to smooth things over, when Kelly made the “I’m up here and you’re down there.” comment. Then again at Jill’s house, Bethenny attempted to clear the air with Kelly, and I think that is when we heard “Stoooooppppp”. Once again this season, they appeared to have put it all behind them, when Kelly brought it up again at the meeting for Brooklyn fashion week.

      • emt2 says:

        I agree that Kelly is obnoxious and I don’t like her at all. I’m just saying that Bethenny’s bad behavior often goes unnoticed or is forgiven because we like her wit. But, she can be mean for no reason and she is very cut-throat.

        And I do think she is manipulative. I don’t like the way she throws people under the bus by saying snarky things about them. I remember when Alex went out of her way to design the logo for Skinny Girl for Bethenny. Bethenny didn’t use it, which is totally fine, but never told ALex that she wasn’t going to use it until way later. B wrote in her blog that she decided on a much chicer, sleeker design but to Alex’s face she said that her business partners didn’t like it. That’s not nice and Alex said that her feelings were hurt about it.

        Also if we dismiss Kelly from the show, you will still find that Bethenny has been nasty to people, often unprovoked, on and off screen.

        I say this with love, because I do really like Bethenny, but she is not like teflon. And even though Jill has been really gross off and on camera, I think that Bethenny and Jill did talk a lot about both of them doing a spin-off together. I even read articles from both of them last year, before the summer, when they spoke about that. I think that Bethenny and Andy decided that the show would just be about Bethenny and Bethenny didn’t tell Jill that.

        I don’t think that Jill should have been calling the Today show demanding that she be a guest host with B or pressuring Bethenny to take her on vacation, etc. But, I do think that Bethenny threw Jill under the bus by not telling her sooner that Bethenny would be having her own spin-off without Jill.

        Jill is really pathetic, though. She should have just been honest about the fight to everyone instead of throwing that cancer thing in everyone’s face. I don’t blame her about not wanting the others to film with B because B taught Jill that trick and they used it against Kelly last year.

        • Squirrels says:

          “I do think that Bethenny threw Jill under the bus by not telling her sooner that Bethenny would be having her own spin-off without Jill.”

          I’m a bit confused here. Jill said B told her about the spinoff although B was not allowed to tell anyone at that time. I took it to mean B told Jill early on. Even if Bravo was only working the pre-production stuff, the news would have leaked fairly early on.

          Also, nothing was said about B having a spinoff that excluded Jill.

          • emt2 says:

            Bethenny did tell Jill early on about the spinoff. The issue is that Bethenny and Jill talked about having a spinoff that featured both of them as the featured co-stars. Something along the lines of Laverne and Shirley or Jill helping Bethenny find a man.

            And when Bethenny told Jill that she was given her own show, I think Jill was really shocked because she hadn’t been involved in the process with Bethenny anymore. It went from being co-stars, to Jill being a a featured guest.

            And then they didn’t see each other for the rest of the summer and Jill got really paranoid and more upset about being frozen out.

            Does that make sense? I think Jill felt frozen out of the deal even though they had both conceived of the spinoff idea together.

            Andy said in his blog that they decided to give B her own spinoff over the summer about her dating life but then when B got engaged and pregnant, the direction of the spinoff changed drastically.

            • Bosandi says:

              Hey Lynn! I’m a “long time” lurker first time poster!

              I never considered the possibility that J & B were planning a show together so that could explain why things got so ugly b/t the 2 of them. However, I don’t buy the explaination that Bethany and Bavo execs consipired to shut Jill out. Since B’s life changed, the show concept had to change along with the players. Given this notion, this could explain why Jill didn’t play the rest of the “get a hobby message” and why neither of them will give specifics on exactly what went down (mayby they signed some Bravo agreement to not speak about it).

              • emt2 says:

                I’m not saying that B and Bravo maliciously conspired to shut Jill out but that is what essentially happened. Bethenny and Jill could have handled things much better, imo. Also, the show didn’t actually change directions until the fall when she became pregnant. She wasn’t pregnant and engaged when she left Jill that Get a hobby message.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I see your point but the charity meeting scene when B made the Madonna remark was humor, an ice breaker, a conversation starter but Kelly chose to make it an offensive remark. Then we get the you are down here and I am up here (out of left field scene), with a pop back at ya stalker move from Kelly. That was a hugh WTF just happened scene and B really looked aprehensive. Kelly has been allowed all season to behave badly towards Bethenny, while Jill and LuAnn encourage her to do so!

      • emt2 says:

        No. It wasn’t an icebreaker. Bethenny said it because she has known Kelly for awhile and thought that she was very superficial and would come to an opening of an envelope. Bethenny said that it was ridiculous that Kelly wouldn’t put her name on a charity because she knows that Kelly puts her name on a lot of things.

        Bethenny had been snubbed by Kelly years ago because she didn’t remember meeting her and was flirting with Bethenny’s boyfriend.

        So, while the Madanno remark seems harmless, the comment was a dig at Kelly’s “delusions of celebrity.”

        Kelly said that the charity meeting was the first time that she had met all the women together officially and she was taken aback when Bethenny said that remark about her. That’s why Kelly was so angry with Bethenny when they met for that drink.

        Kelly should have dropped the whole remark entirely because it wasn’t THAT big of a deal.

        • Squirrels says:

          So far, it doesn’t seem Kelly’s strategy is working out too well.

          • emt2 says:

            Kelly doesn’t have a strategy. I watched her “series” on Plum TV about her life a few years back and the show was about HER. I don’t think she likes to share the spotlight and she doesn’t play well with others.

            She fashioned herself a real celebrity on the RHONYC compared to the other reality tv stars like Bethenny. I kind of see her point because she did travel in social circles with real celebrities–actors, models, directors, artists, etc. Given her husband’s prominence in the fashion world and her career as a journalist for Page Six and as an editor for Elle magazine, I understand why she felt that way.

            I think that 5 years ago, Bethenny would have catered a party at Kelly and her ex-husband’s Hamptons house. Does that make sense? That’s part of the reason why Kelly is so resentful of Bethenny’s success.

            But, Kelly has nothing on her own merit. It’s all carry over from her husband’s career and connections. Kelly is also very superficial and insecure and narcissistic and crazy.

            And I hope that Kelly realizes now that she is not a real celebrity but actually a reality tv star. Her worst nightmare!


            • Laurie in Detroit says:

              Kelly is Gilles Bensimon’s THIRD wife. Only because she was able to squeeze two daughters out in the short time they were together, her lawyers scored huge, settlement, maintenance and support for her. Talking about “she’s famous for being a celebrity.”

  79. Katiecoo says:

    I want to say that who are truly charitable don’t run around blazing “I am so charitable!”. People who are truly genuine don’t advertise “I’m the only genuine one!”.

    And people who have truly soul searched and changed don’t blast out of the corner they’ve run them in to with “I’ve changed…you will see!”.

    It’s evidenced by the behavior, not the advertising and the fact that someone needs to advertise those things about themself, defies that any of those characterizations are true.

  80. TLM says:

    I think they should replace Andy with Dr. Drew for the reunions. He’s better at directing group therapy, particularly with people who can sometimes be violent. I was very impressed with him on Celebrity Rehab. LOL.

    Maybe Kelly, Danielle and Jill can get a group rate from him. BTW I saw the first 10 minutes of RHONJ last night, and much as Bravo thought they could use the Reunion as a hook to get people to watch NJ, I reached my limit at 10 minutes and came back for WWHL. It was that bad. I would rather watch C-SPAN in a legislative session about water rights in the Indian reservation territories than listen to or watch installment 2,985 of Danielle vs. the Manzos. Dina left, every viewer knew she was leaving. There is no story. Stop beating a dead horse, Bravo.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      I did the same thing. Watched the reunion, tuned out of NJ and came back for WWH.

    • sbh says:

      actually that C-SPAN coverage sounds interesting…

      • sbh says:

        But I watched it. Yup. Hurt my eyes. Got a stain on my soul. Kim G.’s butt crack will ride my dream waves for years to come in horrifying nightmares followed by Danielle saying, “engage (open up thighs), then suggest”. Yeeewww

        • TLM says:

          God. SO glad I did not see that. I am scarred –and scared — at just the suggestion of that image!

  81. lillybee says:

    Maybe Jill will blame menopause for her nasty behavior. That might work.

  82. Smompy says:

    I sort of felt like Bravo could have done without last night’s reunion installment. If they’d edited a little better, two parts probably could have covered everything viewers wanted to know. I was disappointed in the show’s lack of anything new or revealing.

    The only things I learned last night are that Jill is still lying and that Kelly is still delusional AND full of shit. And I pretty much knew those things already so I guess I didn’t learn anything at all.

    Dear Andy Cohen, how ’bout you let Kelly talk shit about YOU and continuously accuse YOU of things you didn’t do for several months before you start telling Ramona to shut up and let the crazy bitch spew her lies YET AGAIN without being challenged or questioned? Can’t wait for Ramona to scream at Kelly about her systematic lying and assholery. I hope they all scream at her.

    I think the only thing that was at all satisfying for me was that Jill unequivocably admitted that Bethenny was completely unaware of Bobby’s situation regarding cancer, and that she deliberately kept Bethenny (and the others apparently) in the dark about what was happening, yet the bitch still publicly and privately bashed Bethenny for not being there for Bobby. As we all now, she did this at least once on every single episode this season and a gazillion times off camera. But last night she basically admitted that this was pure calculated malice on her part, and when asked why she did it, her very revealing answer was “I don’t know.” OK, to all those A-holes from TWoP and elsewhere who criticized Bethenny AD NAUSEUM for “not being there when her dear friend Jill needed her,” read it and weep, jackasses! Even Jill now admits the whole thing was a fabrication and Bethenny did absolutely nothing wrong there.

    Oh, and BTW, Countess, this means you owe Bethenny a big fat apoplogy for all those times you stuck your nose in and lectured Bethenny about how she’d been a terrible friend to Jill, and how much she hurt poor, poor Jill, and how she needed to go make it right because Jill was suffering so much over what Bethenny had done to her while Bobby was on his deathbed with his throat slit from ear to ear, et cetera. But somehow I doubt that LuAnn will ever actually apologize for that, so I’ll go ahead and give her a big ol’ pre-emptive “F. U., Lulu, you stupid snake!!!”

    Oh, and that obnoxious butt-in-ski chick (Jennifer?) from Ramona’s Labor Day party who also lectured Bethenny about how much she’d hurt poor Jill by abandoning her in her time of need? Now she can go eff herself too!

    Even though Sonja didn’t seem bothered and is able to handle herself well in tough situations, I felt a bit bad (not badly!) for her last night because every question seemed to involve her doing or saying something that was allegedly sexually “inapppropriate” on the show. Yeah, she does refer to sex a lot – that’s her schtick – but it’s not like she’s a filthy whore or anything. She seems like a nice, kind person who just enjoys life, so that non-stop “why are you so slutty” type questions did bug me a tiny bit. I also don’t pity her having to ride the fence that way. She knows Kelly is a jerkoff and Jill is a lying douche-bag and probably wants to say so, but she also wants to be on the show next year, so she probably feels like she has to watch what she says on the air to some extent.

    WWHL gave me some hope that Ramona may have finally seen the light when it comes to realizing JZ’s true colors. But I’ve gotten my hopes up about that before, and unfortunately Ramona always seems to go right back to saying, “Jill and I will ALWAYS be frineds.” Oh, Ramona, Ramona, Ramona!

    OH, and Alex didn’t actually tell you about Bethenny’s father Jill? Seriously? Since she only mentioned Bethenny going through a tough time due to her father’s serious “medical issues,” you had NO WAY OF KNOWING what was really going on? That’s really the story you want to stick with? I was wishing God would send down a lightning bolt to strike you dead right there on that hideous pink sofa, you lying sack of shit!

    Please pardon my potty mouth everyone. I’m a little, um, hormonal today:)

    • Zipit Zarin! says:

      I love an appropriately place swear word or two or three! I LOVED your rant. Hormones are just natures way of giving us women a way to get it all out. Prolly why men keel over suddenly…they keep it on in 😀

    • TLM says:

      Jill doesn’t have a pink sofa. Kelly did at one time, but it’s now a purple velvet sofa. You can find videos of her apartment renovation YouTube.

      • Smompy says:

        I was referring to the fugly pink (OK maybe it’s fuschia?) sofa she was sitting on at the reunion taping, not the sofa in Jill’s condo.

        • TLM says:

          Oops, ok, gotcha. Just sounded like you were slamming Jill’s taste (which I would heartily agree with, LOL). The sofas must have been the work of Bravo’s set decorators. I can’t believe they actually have them at that hotel.

          Does anyone think Zarin Fabrics did the upholstery???!??? They did Kelly’s purple velvet couch….

    • sbh says:

      Hi Smompy, welcome to the party. Come sit by me, I like the way you think. I don’t wish anyone death and I don’t think it could have been condensed to two episodes, but everything else you said made me jump up and cheer. Like, Pom-Pom waving stuff, Go Smompy, Go Smompy, La La La La!!
      Favorite moment of the show–Sonja turning to Andy and saying with a straight face, and no apology, “well, I’m very vain”. I love that woman. No Jilling around with her.

      OK dammit, truth time: Since you’re now sitting next to me and all, I didn’t actually get up from my chair–too lazy, but I had red sneakers, a short red twirly skirt and pigtails on in my head, that counts, right? I agree.

    • Alexa Rose says:

      I have to agree about last night’s episode. At first I was very excited for the three parter, but last night was a snooze fest. I felt like I was watching unedited tape. It was annoying that BRAS kept interrupting Kelly and not letting her finish her lie because it just dragged it it on forever.

  83. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders says:

    @ Smompy , DAMN that was good.
    I totally forgot about the Jennifer girl at the labor day party.

  84. Buffalo says:


    AHHHH!!!! I hate Jill Zarin

    this is why we can’f forgive you

    • Noreen says:

      The look on Jill’s face. I just want to smack her. And the video further supports the idea that she was going after Bethenny’s livilihood. And how nice for someone with money to burn to state that relationships are what is important. And then the cow burns her relationships too. And then she has the nerve to promote stupid book on living a better life. She is beyond description.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Jill is acting like poo on the bottom of Bethenny’s shoe – she just can’t shake the crap off. Bethenny threw the Bawby as a livelihood out there to back Jill down – come on folks, Bethenny could ground Jill to dust with very little effort!

    • Katiecoo says:

      Well that says it all…Jill says “it’s sad…yes it’s sad” about *whatever* is going on w/ Bethenny’s Dad which she also totally discounted saying she doesn’t know what kind of relationship B has with her Dad (like this shouldn’t bother her…whatever “sad” thing is going on). She KNEW something serious was going on, chose to discount it then focus on HER issues with Bethenny.

      Seriously sick sick Narcissist. She can’t and won’t change. GET HER OFF THIS SHOW PLEASE!!!!!

    • sbh says:

      How do you call someone a liar when there is video proof?!! And let’s all be honest, if for one moment Jill had any REAL evidence that Alex did anything to Jill in the press concerning this charity business, I mean other than hearsay, she would have had that thing notarized and made into a plaque. Which is what she will need for me to believe her, because–and I cannot imagine why–but I just don’t seem to be able to take Jill at her word, anymore.

  85. Smompy says:

    I forgot to ask about this:

    “And I hate Joy Behar and Jill Zarin equally. Evil twins seperated at birth? LOL”

    Has Joy Behar become a bitch and is she really defending Jill Zarin? I’ve never watched The View at all, and I only caught her cable show maybe twice, so I honestly don’t know what she’s like these days. Years ago I really liked Joy Behar though. She used to do a very funny stand up act including a running gag about how everyone assumes she’s Jewish (she’s Italian) even her mother, and she also had a radio show on WOR that was very entertaining. She’s best friends with Suzie Essman (from Curb Your Enthusiasm), who was frequently on the radio show with her, and the two of them together were hilarious. But lately a lot of people seem to be comparing her to Jill Zarin, and obviously that ain’t good! What’s the deal with Joy nowadays?

    • Zipit Zarin! says:

      She’s a MAJOR bitch if she doesn’t like you and she’s almost as stupid as Kelly. I watch her talk show just to laugh at the stupid things she says trying to sound all that. Yeah, her stand up was funny but when she went on The View her real persona came out. I ranted on a previous blog about her and Shari. I can NOT watch The View unless someone I like is on (like Ann Coulter) just to watch them run circles around those meatheads …like Bethenny did.

      • Laurie in Detroit says:

        LOVE that you love our girl Ann Coulter. Me too! The anti-Kelly. Can you imagine if we let Ann get ahold of Kelly? Wow…

        • char212 says:

          Ann Coulter lost me when she said that all the widows and widowers from 9/11 were laughing all the way to the bank. After that I couldn’t stand her and still can’t! She’s nothing to me.

      • TLM says:

        I doubt seriously that Bethenny would ever want to be associated with Ann Coulter, or that she thinks Ann Coulter is intelligent in any way. Ann Coulter has been openly anti-Semitic and anti-gay, among other things. That is all I am going to say about her.

        • sbh says:

          thanks, I thought I hit a speed bump for a second.

          • Squirrels says:

            You sure it wasn’t a squirrel? Nature’s little speedbumps, ya know…

            • sbh says:

              Ahh squirrels, I would never hit you or your furry family, you are my favorite blogger, what would I do without you?

        • Laurie in Detroit says:

          I’ve read every one of her books. She’s not anti-Semitic or I certainly wouldn’t be a fan.

    • TLM says:

      Joy just had a couple of guests on the other day that were Jewish, and one went to answer a question as said, “We’re all Jews here.” He didn’t know about Joy! She rolled with it and said, “I might as well be,” or something like that. I happen to really love Joy and her opinions. I think the man Joy has been with for many years is Jewish. If I am mistaken, someone please correct me. I think it’s just funny that she & Jill look and sound alike, even though this season I do not like Jill at all. I can separate the resemblance from my other feelings and just say it’s a funny coincidence, which it is. I would feel no different about that if I liked Jill this season.

  86. shamrockblonde says:

    hello all – great recap!! – I have only seen clips of last night’s show, so reading the recap is a great way to get caught up but maddening in that I have not seen it yet! –

    Lynn – spot on – I was surprised to hear that the girls were talking over Kelly – they should have let her talk – no one would doubt her mental state after listening to her reasoning or explanations – I have always thought that Alex was the smartest of the bunch, and I always liked her so it is nice to see her coming into her own – she is someone who has truly benefitted from going on this show – her self-confidence is showing and she wears it well – nothing but love for Bethennay, but the HUGE surprise has been Romona! – very pleasantly surprised with her this season, and I have to say, I am enjoying her immensly – Sonja – absolutely delightful – love this classy, charming lady – as for the other two – words fail me – the singing….horrid – absolutely horrid……..oh – and I HATE JILL ZARIN!!! –

  87. kats2 says:

    Kind of weird but I’m writing my comments directly to the HW’s, Bravo and Andy. I really hope they will read the following. I hope it doesn’t bother any of you.

    Bethenny – from all accounts it looks like your new show will be a huge success, I will support your show and all Bethenny products you come out with, can’t wait for the next book “A Place of Yes” and I do want that Detox program you discussed, please post it to your blog as soon as possible. I hope this HW reunion is your last, to be honest you’re way too good for this crowd. Or to quote a Total Bitch “You’re up here and they’re down there” While I watched last night, it was clear – you are the Greek Chorus (Andy got that right) and you are what kept the show fun, interesting, real and smart. God knows some major intelligence was needed based on the amount of stupidity that surrounded you. Your fellow HW cast are background noise, they gave you interesting material to work with, but most of them are not interesting enough (or have not been given the chance) and lack the spark or intelligence to carry a show (or a tune in some cases). I wish you all the best and will continue to watch what happens on your OWN show.

    Andy – I love you, I’m interested in what you think, I know it’s a challenging job, but sometimes I think you need to either get a bigger pair of balls or you’re going to have to make some big changes (perhaps both). You let a lot go last night and you have two HW’s who are accusing you of forcing them to do stuff or setting stuff up and playing favorites (of course it’s Jill and Kelly). Do you not see the trend with these two? Perhaps it’s out of the kindness of your heart, but Kelly once again, is allowed to spew her BS and NOT answer the questions. She should have been called out on all of it. You should have said that Bravo needed to take her home, if that’s not true you should have also filled us in on the truth. Just think about it, in any other job situation her accusations and debate with “the boss” about forcing her in harmful situation could be grounds for termination. If you have Kelly back, it will put your integrity and intentions in question – big time. It’s not normal and quite frankly really not fair to your other employees on the show or your customers (All of us fans). Time to MAN UP, change is good, embrace it, get rid of the old and bring in new blood to make things interesting and fun again. Look at the response Sonja has had, look at the potential of Alex and Ramona.

    Kelly – You are a lying, spoiled rotten brat, who is very jealous, very self centered, very mean and inarticulate. EVERYONE has confirmed what Bethenny has said about you from the very beginning (Sonja had the same experience with you).

    Jill – an apology is not just words, the tears you cried are simply because you are still feeling sorry for yourself, your words are meaningless at this point and your actions speak (actually scream) volumes of what’s really going on. Based on the vicious cycle you created and Lynn pointed out (I’m paraphrasing) You F-Up, You’re mean, You apologize/cry and F-Up again. . . . .Your rage going into this season was out of pure jealousy based on something your “Best Friend” accomplished. PERIOD

    Your Suckass PR team should have told you to reflect, acknowledge your mistakes to ALL of the HW’s, forgive ALL and ask to move on because you were wrong and you will do better. If anyone decided to harp on it you’re an adult, you were wrong and you needed to own it and not fight it. It would have been difficult, but it literally could have been a 15 minute segment vs. the hours of my life I will never get back. Like pulling a band-aid it would have been over. At this point you need to go away, take a break from it all, reflect and really work on you, not some made up PR mess. It’s the only shot you have at redeeming yourself. If you don’t and you want to continue on this other path and keep this BS going in the press, YOU ARE NOT NEEDED ON THIS SHOW – BRAVO CAN YOU READ, DO YOU HEAR ME?

    Alex – Have to say I’m thrilled you are finally using your intelligence and your voice. I don’t want all the Simon lovers to take this wrong, but it’s your gig, your time to shine and I’m also happy that Simon is letting you own it and he is behind the scenes supporting you. Please keep it this way, none of the HW husbands should get a lot of air-time, it’s just not needed. You have finally become an Alex I can get on-board with and support. I hope you’re back next season.

    Ramona – I love your craziness and what I saw at the end of the season, I hope you continue on that path and leave the mean girl stuff behind you. I do think you need to figure out exactly what you get from being “friends” with Jill. It’s not healthy and quite frankly I think it’s more contrived fakery for the sake of bringing cat fights to the show and you and Jill trying to stay relevant. IMO it’s just not needed. Please rise above it and don’t feed that monster.

    Luann – I think or maybe I want to think there’s hope for you. I still feel there is a kiss/kiss BS facade that is keeping us from getting to really know you and quite frankly it’s just very BORING. No one needs a lecture from you or is looking to you to educate them on how to act. You talk big, some of it is BS and your actions speak volumes. Like singing, the whole Class thing is something you need to move on from. (Don’t get me wrong, I love the courage it must have taken to write a book and do the song, but these topics/fields are not a good match for you. But I do give you all the credit for trying). I would love to see you develop your new relationship with your BF and work the whole single mom in the city stuff. That I think would be interesting and fun to watch. But stop with the hard sell on the Countess Class BS – Let go of the Tiara!

    Sonja – Love you, great addition to the show. You have class and an elegance that I find interesting to watch. I’m sure you will be back.

  88. Katiecoo says:

    LOVE this comment on Ramona’s blog (sorry if a repost):

    I found it difficult to comprehend Jill’s excuse for the way she was speaking negatively about everyone. Her excuse was that she was trying to be funny?!? Really!?!? Jill never had one-liners like Bethenny and never will. There was nothing funny about any of her comments, they were all mean-spirited and came from a place of negativity. I also found it very interesting that Jill would say very angrily one minute “You’re lying! Prove it!!” and then on a flip of a coin, “You’re right, I did say that.” I really do not know what’s going on with her anymore and I hope she works it out and becomes a better person. Only time will tell.

  89. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders says:

    @emt2, You make some great points.
    However I think its different if Jill says she was happy for Bethenny etc and they are friends and have a past history then for Jill to go around telling the rest of the cast to not film with her is very low. As Opposed to Bethenny telling them she doesn’t want to film with the new girl last season which was Kelly. Didn’t Bethenny know her from before? Anyway
    I’m split too with your recollections of Bethennys bad behavior. Most of the things you mentioned were not nice.
    However if I remember correctly last year Bethenny just delivered her one liner at the Charity meeting. The “Madonna” Comment was what took Kelly over the edge and she can’t forget it.

    • emt2 says:

      I think Jill betrayed her friendship with Bethenny big time but I think that Jill felt that B betrayed her by not letting her know that B would be doing the spin-off alone. Jill reacted poorly and took things too far and became vile.

      Bethenny felt shunned by Kelly in the past and she didn’t want Kelly to be on the show. It’s funny that the Madonna comment became such a huge deal because it was actually the woman next to Bethenny who made a snide remark about Kelly and then Bethenny underlined that statement by saying that she thinks that she is Madonna. Kelly should have let it go.

      I don’t think Kelly really knew what the show was about. She really should have researched it more thoroughly because I think she was confused.

      But, Bethenny’s comments can be cruel… calling Simon revolting. intentionally making him look like an asshole by suggesting he play tennis with Ramona and Mario, and saying in a blog that the only reason why people like Simon and Alex second season was because she and Jill decided to be nicer to them. That’s not nice and it’s very mean girl behavior. Jill and B were obnoxious mean girls last season.

      And I do think that Bethenny was a very jealous and insecure person who lashed out with sarcasm/hateful comments disguised as wit. Now she has calmed down and it’s nice to see her evolve. Jill, needs to take a few pointers in that department.

      • MAMAZ says:

        emt2 – I think you make some valid points. I agree that B’s early comments about Silex were sometimes mean and may have even contributed to their initial unpopularity. But Alex and Simon were such good sports about it all. Maybe that’s why Bethenny and Ramona’s feelings about them changed. Because of their overall cheerful, well adjusted attitudes.
        When you surround yourself with petty, shallow people you behave as small as them. Bethenny spent most of her onscreen time and a lot of off screen time with JZ. When Jill began to shut her out she and Ramona both got to know Alex and Simon better. And much to their surprise, as well as ours they liked them, they actually like them! Bethenny started a relationship with a strong man. She began spending her on camera time with Alex and Ramona. When you spend time with bold, confident people you begin acting like a better person. JZ being DONE with B was the best thing that ever happened to her.

        • emt2 says:

          Yeah, I agree that Bethenny is better off without Jill. Jill is a lost cause and she doesn’t want to evolve. I like to see change and growth, not mundane and predictable. Every time Jill opens her mouth, you can predict that she will lie or grossly exaggerate. I think she needs to focus on her own family instead of being obsessed with what everyone else is doing.

      • sbh says:

        I gotta say it. I think Bethenny (being a nice person), being with Jill, made Jill (a meanie) a nicer person, and Bethenny around Jill’s influence (a meanie) made Bethenny meaner. so, sorry for Jill, but better now for Bethenny.
        I hope that made sense.

      • Squirrels says:

        Ahhh, I get it. Jill wanted her name in the show’s title, not just be a character within B’s gig. Ok, that definitely makes sense.

        • Squirrels says:

          Add to my new enlightenment, her wanting to be on the Today show with B, etc., she was gearing up to be the shoe in Ethel to B’s Lucy on Bravo.

        • emt2 says:

          yes. that is what I think happened.

  90. Susu says:

    i am missing so far questions at the Reunion about Amazongate…
    i hope they will still come…
    but i am afraid that Jill would answer as always that she never was J Samples and will forget as always to answer for Susan Saunders as we all know that she is not J Samples…

    • Katiecoo says:

      i also want to hear about Babygate and Jill blaming that on her daughter and yet another fauxpology.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Those are all off show things – IMO they won’t go there and many viewers likely don’ t know about those incidents.

      • TLM says:

        I am really disappointed in parts 1&2 of the Reunion. I feel like the same things have been covered in both shows, rather than each show addressing new & different issues. I will also be disappointed if Amazongate & Babygate are not raised, at least briefly. Of course, Jill will just start crying again and get up to start walking out.

        I cannot believe Jill actually said no one gave her a chance to apologize to everyone in St John. By the way, where were the “gifts in hand” she said she was going to arrive with? Had she approached them with gifts, it would have been the perfect opportunity to say I’m sorry to each woman individually, and it would have changed the tone of everything.

        Jill has proven Alex right in that Jill doesn’t listen. Jill heard what she wanted to hear when Alex said Bethenny needed her and B’s father was ill; she also actually said she knew Ramona wasn’t really her friend after Ramona said, ‘”I know we’ll be friends for the next 15 years.” R could not have been any clearer, but Jill just tunes people out, even when people are being nice and sympathetic to her. She is so used to playing the victim that it is automatic regardless of the situation.

        Could everyone believe how Kelly said nothing when B said she has psychological and emotional problems, and got up and walked out in an eerily calm way? I was reminded of the final scene in the movie Carrie, where Sissy Spacek calmly walks out of the gym as it’s going up in flames?!? Did anyone else have that flashback??!?

        • TLM says:

          Oh my God. I actually just realized that Carrie IS a movie about systematic bullying!!!.

          Ok, that was really creepy.

  91. Buffywood says:

    I couldn’t resist, I posted the following reponse to Jill’s blog on bother her site and on Bravo…. and bets on either posting it?

    “Just curious but how long did it take for you to forgive Bethany? It seems you were mad at her for a long time, despite her attempts at an apology. Can you see how your “I’m sorrys” can appear to not be genuine when you then bash those who immediately didn’t accept them… accusing them of something with your “Does it seem to you there is more here than meets the eye?” comment. I know personally last night I really began to believe you and thought… wow these girl need to give her a 2nd chance, but then reading your blog you appear to have gone back to your true colors.
    You need to decide what kind of person you are going to be and stick with it.
    If you want to be the nice caring Jill Zarin then live it… own it… Actions truly do speak louder than words… you can become the person you want to be. Once you do with time will see that you truly have changed.
    If you want to be the same mean Jill Zarin that we saw this past year then fine… stick to your nasty comments (and wow you had a ton this year), continue your blogging, name dropping, I am “all that and a bag of chips” attitude but Own it…
    I would have more respect for you regardless of what you choose, but please make a choice. I guess at this point time will tell all. “

  92. Kelly-Has-Big-Shoulders says:

    @ kats2 that was GREAT!!

  93. Margo Channing says:

    So, Jill is complaining about all the bad press for her awful behavior? Maybe she will see that the public does have a voice since she said last night she was not asked back! Yay, one down two to GO! Jill cannot ever apologize for all of her lies and backstabbing. Nevaah! And there is just no apology great enough for throwing the pixels on my television of with those god awful shoes! I wonder how much she got to wear them?

    Bet was great, held her head up and went forward. Am I the only one that watches that does NOT see her as “Hard” or whatever other adjective was thrown at her? Because the reason I love her is that she does not hold back and she says it like it is with some sharp humor thrown in because that is how girls like us survive.

    Luann, really? You like Kooklits ‘analogies’!?!??! I am surprised to you did not have to explain to her what that word means! Nevertheless, I am so happy she did not get to open her yap too much! Why was she there again?

    Sonja, I totally get the rediscovering your sexuality after divorce…totally! And we all know that they all have had one night stands before. Puleeze!

    When they showed Kelly’s mental breakdown, I just cannot believe they did not have her committed, right then. The chick is very sick and my take on her extreme and dangerous jealousy towards Bet is all about HER enormous EGO! She is so sick in the head that she does not realize that SHE was the ONE BULLYING EVERYONE ON THAT TRIP….Hawwwwwnnnnnnnnnesssttleeeeee! Kelly you suffer from delusions of grandeur and IDEOPATHIC Bullying! So when someone calls you out on YOU behavior, ya better come back from KookVille.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      “Maybe she will see that the public does have a voice since she said last night she was not asked back!”

      Where did you read this or see this? Is this something she blogged? I want to believe it!!!


      • DarkSonnet says:

        Nobody has been asked back yet. Announcement of a new show is usually done after the reunion is finished airing and casting is done after that.

        • JazzNightOut says:

          Thanks, Dark Sonnet. I knew it was too good to be true 🙂

          • Margo Channing says:

            Thanks you guys. My widget was running at a snails pace. I just heard JiZ say she was not asked back! Oh and P.S.? Kook is in LA! You think her wires short-circuited and set off the earth quake? Maybe she is hawking some of her fabulousity jewwrreee!

            • sbh says:

              Holy Heck there really was an earthquake?!!!!! I KNEW I felt something last night while watching RH! It was just a tremor, but no one else in the house felt it, so I figured it was my body protesting Jill’s lies. All I’ve done today is read lynn’s blog (day off), so I had no idea until this second it was real. Wow, and here I thought Bravo shook my world…

            • Squirrels says:

              Fortunately, I was in the pool when the quake hit. Didn’t feel a thing, lol

  94. Noreen says:

    I laugh everytime I read one of Kelly’s ridiculous “charitable” twitters or watch her youtube blogs about safe sex, bullying or recycling jeans for the poor. This is the very same woman who, last season, sat in the “madonna/place of no meeting” and declared that she very selectively puts her names to charitable events. What a lying, deceitful little brat.

  95. desertgal66 says:

    Quincy IL says:
    I was hateful of Jill to bring up “spread eagle” out of the blue. Jill wants to destroy Alex. They cut Alex off in that first year reunion show and we didn’t get to hear how those photos were released.

    As I recall, in the first reunion show, before they cut Alex off, JILL tried to say that Alex could have prevented the release of those photos with the mistaken reasoning that, because Alex was the subject of the photos, then she must also own the rights to the photos. At that point, both Bethenny AND Alex attempted to explain that that isn’t how it works, but Andy cut them off and moved on.

    For the record, since apparently Jill is going to bring the subject up again in Part 3, for those unaware, it is the photographer, and not the subject, who owns the rights to photos, and that allows the photog to farm the photos anywhere he chooses. A photog can give or sell the rights to his photos to someone else, but it isn’t a common practice. Alex didn’t own the photos, and had no say where, when, and even if they were published. And we’ve seen the same thing happen with any number of celebrity photos that were less than decorous, for want of a better word.

    If Jill is going to allege that Alex could have prevented publication again-I don’t know if she is, but I wouldn’t put it past her-then she is 100% wrong.

    • Katiecoo says:

      I can’t wait to see the segue that brings Jill back on to that (old) topic.

      I wish Alex had just said to her “that the best ya got Zarin?”. Then smiled and moved right on.

    • KookADoodleDo says:

      Is Jill’s “Spread Eagle” similar to Bobby being cut open “Ear To Ear”???

    • Squirrels says:

      A photographer owns the copyright under two conditions. One, if a model release is signed by the subject, all bets are off. Images can be published, resold, or given away. Two, if pics are sold for editorial purposes, no model release is required.

  96. desertgal66 says:

    Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:
    Why? Billy Ray posed with Miley in an incredibly inappropriate pose for Vanity Fair, same one where she was posing “sexy” as well…when she was 15!

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    I didn’t agree with the Billy Ray/Miley Cyrus Vanity Fair spread either, I thought it was extremely inappropriate…but it doesn’t follow that the inappropriate VF spread makes Perez Hilton publishing a nude photo of a 17 year old girl okay, whether it was Photoshopped or not.

  97. celeste says:

    Is there anywhere I can watch last night’s episode of RHONJ online? I didn’t bother waiting up for it.

  98. vgirl511 says:

    Does anyone know what Kelly has actually done that is so charitable? I mean this as a serious question. We have seen LuAnn, Jill and Sonya organize charitable events, but what charities is Kelly a part of? Does making PSAs count as being charitable? I know she painted a park bench or something, but wasn’t that about being green, not charitable?

    • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

      I thought it was her community service sentence 🙂

      • Noreen says:

        Oh, that’s right she was spinning in the first episode that miraculously, her arrest turned into an opportunity for her to do charity.

      • sbh says:

        Naw, I think that was her giving out condoms and promoting safe-sex. Don’t you see her putting on her “serious, I memorized everything, now repeat back with intensity to the camera” look whenever she mentions ‘safe-sex’ and how important it is, like systematic bullying? Swear, same face.

        As far as the soup kitchen, I don’t know anything about that. Maybe she just got hungry while running down the street one day?

        Ummmmmm, adopting the puppy, chief?

        Oh yeah, she recycled her tired, fugly couch by recovering it in an even more worn, fuglier colored fabric (OMG! Jill!! Stop giving people bordello colors and fabrics for their living rooms!!)

        Well, if nothing else, I think it’s a safe bet that she is not a spokesperson for PETA…

    • desertgal66 says:

      The only charitable thing I have seen connected directly to Kelly is the Hale House event, but that was in 1997. No idea what she is doing now, except I think she Twitted about spending an afternoon in a soup kitchen. And, of course, she Tweeted about the Gulf oil spill, which made a HUGE difference in the cleanup effort.

  99. jennifer says:

    My comment to Jill’s blog on Bravo-

    U held a grudge FOREVER, take your own advice. Actions speak louder then words you are not sorry, you continue to bash B and Alex on twitter…

    Hey Jill, “just because you say it doesn’t make it true” NO ONE believes you’re really sorry

  100. WindyCityWondering says:

    I was thinking about Andy saying they filmed 8 or 9 hours for the RHONY Reunion. We are up to three hours in parts, have a lost footage – which IMO will turn into two parts. So we are seeing over half of what happened at the taping………makes me wonder what is being left out?

  101. jennifer says:

    Also, my FYI to Kelly is, if you don’t like the gossip/negative GET OFF THE SHOW! No one is forcing you to stay!

    • BamaBelle says:

      Yes they are, Jennifer!

      Bravo is MAKING her stay on the show! Thank-you, I appreciate that. *wink* *wink*

  102. kats2 says:

    Lynn – I just read what the trashy lost little soul Ashley’s twitting about you. I’m sure Ash is reading this since it looks like she knows all about your blogs and site. I’m so sorry Lynn that you have to put up with this little girl.

    Ashley is the a poor little girl who let’s face it, is the poster child for unprotected sex. But for no reason she is sticking her ugly nose into your business which is just wrong. She should stick to what she knows and keep dumpster diving with Danielle which is where she belongs.

    • sbh says:

      What is she tweeting to Lynn? I’m sorry, I did try to follow Ashley, I really really tried, but four sentences in I had lost too many braincells–I’m just not smart enough to risk losing anymore! And the ones Ashley’s tweets killed? I don’t think they’re coming back. I think they saw all the ‘He Hees and Haw Haws and dosey dohs’ that were in store for them and just abandoned ship. Someone with tougher brain cells than my sensitive weaklings, please inform me, What is that skank saying? She don’t have no house, she don’t have no spouse, she ‘aint got a job, but she’s on Bravo’s blog? I don’t get it.

  103. Buffywood says:

    Question… what ever happened to the lawsuit against Kelly for her “stealing” her old jewerly line?


    I wonder who she stole the designs from for her new jewerly collection.

    • kats2 says:

      From the use of the feathers she most likely stole the design from an Ornithologist.

    • sbh says:

      OMG! I can TOTALLY guess what happened:

      Celeste (sarcastically) “Oh, so you can design the Owl line on your own, huh?”

      and Kelly hears, “I want to celebrate you as a woman. You can design these Owls on your own. Yaayyyy! Want to help me feed the unicorn a jellybean?”

  104. lillybee says:

    I think that Lulu is feeling regret at buying Jill’s lies about Bethenny. Jill’s story at the beginning of the season seemed believable. Heck, I even believed Jill, sorry about that.
    I am waiting for Lulu to turn on Jill.

  105. emt2 says:

    Sometimes I feel bad for Ashley because Jacqueline made it clear that the timing of Ashley’s birth was a mistake. I know Jacqueline loves Ashley but it has been clear from the first season that Ashley has a lot insecurities and is acting out. The Manzos talked shit about Ashley all last season and now they are being nice to her because she is activily hating Danielle?? This whole Danielle thing is a distraction for Ashley not to deal with her own problems and to get her step-family off her back.

    Ashley should stay out of grown folks business. She admitted that she had problems at her old high school because she was bullied a lot and had to switch schools. Now she is bullying Danielle’s daughters by spreading vile rumors about her and trying to bully Danielle.

    Ashley needs to go and find a job and something to do because the audience doesn’t like her just because she doesn’t like Danielle. We don’t like Ashley because she acts like a little bitch. And it’s sad that she is so obsessed with protecting her step-family when it’s clear that they only tolerate her because they like Jacqueline so much. When was the last time you saw Ashley hanging out with Lauren, the cousin who is her own age? Never because Lauren thinks Ashley is a moron.

  106. PeachPie says:

    Jill Zarin (in her mind) took the high road and apologized about EVERYTHING that happened this season. Pretty crazy to see she didn’t (also) apologize for Kelly’s poor excuse of sanity. That would’ve basically sealed the whole season-apologetic deal, thus we would’ve been (finally!) able to move on. I call FAIL on Jill’s silly, snobby girl attempt for a hopeful, back-in-the-spotlight-super charged Britney Spears comeback, but that’s just my very own biased view. Either way, it was what it was and it will be what it is. I think Jill took down her infamous Facebook page, wonder how many vengeful Bethenny/Alex/Sonja and Ramona fans cyber-slammed her, terrorized the repenting damsel in distress, that she had to call her assistant STAT to shut down her page. I’m not super cyber saavy, but I know Jill has no idea how to navigate past the Page Six and rag mag pages.

    Ah well!
    On a side note, is it just me, or does Dina’s sphinx look exactly like her? The resemblance is uncanny. BTW, I like Dina:)

    • sbh says:

      Nope, I want an apology to the audience and personal hand written apologies to the viewers she bashed, sent out on the wings of the good ole US of A’s postal system.

  107. BamaBelle says:

    There’s a few things “Driving Me Crazy” with this Reunion.

    1.) When Alex said Kelly got “channeling” from Jill because she said it about Alex when taping her confessional, Andy said no way Kelly saw that. But, while the show was taping and some time after the fasion show, who’s to say Jill didn’t speak to Kelly, off camera? Saying something like “Wow Kelly, you looked great, but Alex looked like she was “channeling the devil” and Ramona was an idiot. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both Jill and Kelly use the same word (channeling) to describe Alex. It doesn’t matter if it’s “channeling the devil” or “channeling a vampire”. I agree with Alex on this.

    2.) How could anybody sit quietly and let another person tell outright LIES about them? I didn’t think Ramona was bullying when she told Kelly “you were not bullied”. It’s only human nature that BRAS wanted to defend themselves, just like on the island. They have the right to say something to Kelly when she starts bullying them. Would Kelly have said much more if they had all been quiet? Probably not. Kelly doesn’t want anybody to know the truth, which here’s the point… why won’t BRAS tell us EXACTLY what kind of breakdown she had? That’s such a general term… what caused this breakdown? Drugs… alcohol… a combination?… WHAT? Why won’t they explain in detail? Is there something in their contracts that prevent them from telling?

    It isn’t right for Kelly to blog that Ramona, Bethenny, Alex and Sonja bullied her to the point that she now has a new platform to help “The Bullied”. It’s sytematic bullying this and sytematic bullying that (Jill has used the same term in her blogs)! Seems like Jill and Kelly are in cahoots and I would want the truth to be told if I was BRAS!

    Jill is a real person on a Reality TV show that’s not (as far as I know) scripted. She purposely set out to trash a friends reputation, try and ruin her career, and cause a split with the castmates. That’s really sad, and how can she live with herself? Bethenny deserves credit for calling Andy off, and I’m sick of the “I’m sorrys”… Jill Zarin IS NOT sorry for what she did, only sorry she got caught and the viewers are turning on her.

    So… from now on… Bethenny, Ramona, Alex and Sonja are “The Fab-4″… and Jill, LuAnn and Kelly are “The Three Stooges”!

    Jilll is MOE because he was the ring-leader and the meanest.
    LuAnn is LARRY because he was a follower and boring.
    Kelly is CURLY because he was an out and out IDIOT.

    • Ches says:

      I thought the exact same thing about “channeling the devil”. To me, the fact that they both came up with that same phrase is a little weird. I also thought Jill must of made that comment to Kelly.
      And I also understand BRAS behavior when Kelly started telling her lies. I would have been so pissed that there would have been no way for me to sit there and keep quiet.
      After all of the things that Kelly has accused them of doing, (the bullying, B trying to kill her, etc.), I started to wonder if their contract with Bravo precludes them from bringing a lawsuit against Kelly for slander. I don’t care if she is mentally ill or not. If she is that sick she should be under forced care.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Some of the words/phrases that creep in like channeling, bullying may come from conversations not on the show (some wives have said that they do talk to each other off set) – my problem is at the reunion – EVERY SHOW FROM THE SEASON WAS AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE TO VIEW – ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY DIDN’T WATCH THE SHOWS?????? (sorry about the caps but that is my way of yelling on my keyboard).

    • sbh says:

      Of course it came from Jill. She is trying to be sooooo witty like Beth, if she thinks she came up with a real zinger, like ‘channeling the devil’, etc. , she sure as hell repeated it to anyone who would slow down long enough to hear her.

  108. FLA Housewife says:

    I really, really love reading your blog each week. They really need to make you a housewife or a commentator or something because your observations are incredibly accurate and hilarious to read!

    I think my favorite part of watching the show has become reading your reaction because you tend to write exactly what I am thinking but in a sharper, funnier way!

    Have you ever thought about doing a podcast?

  109. Ladylucilu says:

    Lynn & Everyone in this blog;
    I totally understand each one of you stating your own opinions. But what JZ & Kelly don’t understand that their baviory was not called for.
    KELLY STOP THE BS!!! You want to state that you were a victim of being bullied. I find it VERY insulting. Why because I was a truely a victim of being a bullied by a man emotionally every damn day. I am a woman of very little words, I always tried to be pleasant give people the benefit of the doubt. (tears) How dare you? Kelly you make me sick to my stomache. Wiping my tears I’m not typing here to get pity? But there is many, many people that are watching you? And this is totally a very low blow for woman that are truely have gone threw this in real life. All because you are so jealous of Bethenny. Or because you have to please Mrs Holier then thy. Or I like this one because she has to support her family. How dare you? There is no excuse for you, you seriously need some help. I’m saying what I feel. (my own personal opinion)

  110. Ladylucilu says:

    Thank you Lynn your totally appreciated

    • SusanS88 says:

      Ladylucilu, thanks for sharing your personal story <<<>>> I too, can relate to that type of abuse. So sorry you had to go through that and I hope that you, like me, are in a better place now 🙂 Much love xoxo

  111. boston02127 says:

    Ashley’s tweets:
    thank you everyone for the kind words!! 🙂 i’m going to bed now! oh my gosh! these japanese pills i started won’t let me sleep! ha!
    good morning! only slept 4hrs and surprisingly not tired AT ALL! …must be these pills ha!
    ohh sorry!! “these pills” = Zi Xiu Tang Face and Figure Capsules.. you can get them on panda buy… or amazon too i think..

    Ashley if you’re looking for attention by posting that you are taking pills to lose weight
    here’s some attention for you: Get off your ass and exercise. You have
    all day long to do anything you want and you choose not to exercise. You don’t work, you don’t go to school, you don’t volunteer for anything. You’re a lazy bum.
    Stop shoveling food (that you don’t pay for) in your mouth for an hour and go for a run. Good luck with those “natural pills”.

    • shantygal says:

      OMG Boston, at first the “Ashley’s tweets” didn’t register and I thought that was you talking. Wow, that must have been some graduation party. At about the 3rd exclamtion point or “ha” I started back at the top. Thought I was going to have to drive to Boston and beat those pills right outta ya.

  112. Kelly Jelly Beansomeone says:

    This might be one of my favorite observations by Richard Lawson over at Gawker:

    “Is Ramona’s daughter Avery difficult and contrarian because she is a teen or because she has had to deal with her mother Ramona for all these years?

    Oh, Avery. She’s just stumbling into those terrible teen girl years when nothing mom does is ever right, when mom is, without question, the most embarrassing person on the planet. That natural phase of life is made worse by the fact that her mother, Ramona Singer, actually is the most embarrassing person on the planet. So she’s dumb and teenagery, but she’s also right. It’s a strange thing. The whole scene with the dog in the little blue dress was priceless. Why is the dog at the wedding? Dogs don’t want to go to weddings. But more importantly, why is the dog in the wedding? Did they make the dog pay for its own dress? Did the dog plan the wedding shower? Did the dog have to take a Friday off of work and spend all this money on airfare to go to yet another friend’s wedding? It made absolutely no sense, which is why it was beautiful. Do you ever wonder if maybe, years ago, Ramona and the dog switched places in some kind of [b]Freaky Friday-style accident[/b]? Like there’s actually a perfectly sane and rational woman trapped in the body of a pompadoured Shih Tzu who is forced to watch as the dog controls her own body, makes a total mess of Ramona’s life? I think that’s probably the most likely thing.”

    • lillybee says:

      Very funny.

      • sbh says:

        Naw, you gotta read the whole article, what he says about Simon’s clothes at the wedding caused me to laugh so hard that the next morning the neighbors wanted to know what was so damned funny at 2 in AM.

  113. kathy says:

    I am so sick of all the denials! I think it is unfair for Kelly to keep saying she was bullied and Bravo does nothing to refute it. Telling Ramona that now she is bullying Kelly was just wrong! I can’t see how Kelly can ever get some help, if she won’t even try to see that something is wrong. Won’t it just get worse? She is now such a laughing stock, that I feel bad for her children. As for Jill, just go away! She totally ignores Alex. Some change in her attitude. Just take all your anger at Bethenny and transfer it over to Alex! Alex is somuch better as a person than Jill is. She’s a lady, she’s also smart and civilized. Jill asking Bethenny for a hug in the preview made me cringe! Such a phony! I like Sonja. She also looked great. You know Luann wants off the creepy couch! 🙂

    • Squirrels says:

      My out of left field guess is Bravo knows if they engage one starlet, it will open the flood gates and infighting will ensue, spilling onto the NY Post Page 6.

      While Kelly’s PR101 states clearly any press is good press, I have the feeling that wouldn’t transfer over to a network. If Bravo gets bad press, it could affect ratings for their entire lineup. Doesn’t matter if Bravo is right or wrong, I think they see how ugly these bimbos can get and they are not going to lift the rope and invite any of them into the boxing ring.

  114. Thanks for the new blog Lynn. I didn’t bother reading jill’s new blog because I just don’t give credence to anything she has to say anymore.

    I too would like to know what Bethenny has gone through during her pregnancy and after. I remember Ramona saying Bethenny had some health problems and wanted her to come along on the trip hopefully to relax her, but didn’t know it was a blot clot.

    I agree that LuAnn is pretty boring.

    Unfortunately I found myself rather bored with the 2nd part of the reunion. Maybe I’m jsut tired of jill’s excuses and insincere apologies over and over. We already know everything she has done. Kelly too. It’s the same old stuff now. kelly’s needs help and will never admit it or get the help she needs.

    Maybe I’m over all the housewife shows. Probably. But at least there’s Bethenny’s show and some other shows I still like that aren’t trashy with so much fighting going on. It’s a shame because OC and NY started out fairly on positive notes, but after Atlanta’s first season, they all followed suit.

    • sbh says:

      Atlanta was a very bad influence on the other shows. We should never have let them all hang out together.

  115. Jennifer says:

    Gonna be honest, if B hugs Jill Thur I will like her little but less

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      me too!

      • BamaBelle says:

        It’s hard to be put on the spot like that. Bethenny probably doesn’t want to look like a hard a$$… I think Jill is trying to bully Bethenny. Jill should of backed off. Bethenny’s baby was only 12 days old when the Reunion Show was filmed, and she was breast-feeding. Her emotions were still raw with everything that happened. Plus, having to be in the same room as Kelly.

        Remember when Bethenny hugged LuAnn (in that bar) after their fight? Later she said she regretted it because it made her feel dirty! I take that to mean she felt like a hypocrite for hugging that SNAKE who ripped into her almost the minute she walked in.

        It’s WRONG for Jill to put her on the spot like that. Just another example of how Jill only cares about Jill. I still don’t believe she was/is truly sorry. Just trying to repair her bad reputation.

        I feel sorry for Bethenny during this Reunion. How much more can this person take? Bethenny didn’t come from a touchy-feely family. Like she told her therapist… after a childhood like she had, she should be in a “crack den” somewhere. Another reason why I like and respect Bethenny, she MADE it against all odds.

        AND… she doesn’t use bullshit excuses for anything she’s done. I won’t respect her any less if she lets Jill hug her, and I won’t hold it against her if she does… it’s her call. But I do hope Bethenny is O-V-E-R Jill.

    • Squirrels says:

      Didn’t Ramona say there were walk outs, stomping, and hugs?

      • sbh says:

        Damn, and I really don’t want that hug to happen. Jill’s hugs look they might feel like a spring trapping you in a cage. Yuck.

  116. Jill always lives in the past and bringing up Alex’s photos only reaffirms that. Those were supposed to be private photos and I don’t care what they contained. The photographer was of low morals to have sold them. Jill thinks that if she attacks Alex for that that her fans will leave Alex, but Jill has another think coming.

    Screw you Jill! Alex is a better person than you because she doesn’t walk all over people. Alex has basic civility, is a decent and honest person, and quite intelligent to boot. All qualities that jill isn’t and doesn’t have. LOL! 😛

    • And another thing, Jill is a hypocrite (shock, shock! LOL!) because she supported kelly in the playboy pics while disapproving of Alex’s private pictures. I don’t know and don’t care if Alex’s pics are available on the net because of the fact that they weren’t supposed to be released to the public, but kelly however willing posed for playboy. I did see kelly’s pics and thought they were pretty trashy; not elegant at all as some nude pics are. Nothing artsy about them. In fact, I was a bit shocked that they were quite trashy in my opinion.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill only remembers the past if it serves a purpose in her present.

  117. Squirrels says:

    I couldn’t help myself – I responded to Jill’s blog. Since we know it won’t show up, allow me to spew it here. tyvm

    Come full circle did you? Well, that much IS obvious. You are right back to refusing to understand how your actions affect others. Or maybe you do see it but just refuse to acknowledge it.

    If anyone went after my livelihood (and I’m not talking HW’s, I’m talking having the opportunity to have my own show/business), you’d best believe the culprit had better watch his/her back. Payback is a bitch.

    Fortunately for you Jill, with every exposed lie, manipulation and outright egregious behavior you handed show fans and cast mates payback in spades.

    Just wanted to say thanks.

    I am Squirrels and I approve this message.

  118. Fabulous Earth says:

    i’m so friggin drunk right now… i loveeverybody today including jill. livin’ la vida loca!

    • Fabulous Earth says:

      everybody should hug somebody…and sing a goood song…sorry lynn but i love white wine and i wish eveyrbody a great life!!

      • Fabulous Earth says:

        oh and i’m gonna read the comments and watch the reunion again tomorrow..but right now i just love everybody and want to sing and hug everybody. life is so beautiful!

        • Squirrels says:

          <<<< puts a nice comfy pillow under Fab Earth's head. Just don't slip off the sofa girl!

      • sbh says:

        I want a bottle of what you’re drinking. You ‘aint feelin’ no pain tonight, are ya?

        Alright, I just sent you a mental hug, I’m sure you’re gonna feel it any minute now…that’s it, close your eyes….Haaaaaa….

  119. Sinfullydelicious says:

    Who are they kidding when they talk about doing this show to make money and someone attacking their ability to make money? Check out their net worths (celebritynetworth.com) — Kelly = $15 million, Jill = $35 million, Luann = $2 million (guess we can see why she kisses Jill’s ass), Bethenny = $14 million (right, Jill gave her a roof over her head — puhleese), Ramona = $18 million, Alex = $400,000 — (Sonja not listed, but you can bet a pretty penny being married to great grandson of J. P Morgan — her townhouse alone is well into the double digits of millions)– GET A GRIP WOMEN — This is just shameful that they try and pull on the heart strings with the “having to support their families” and “no one should interfere with their ability to support their children” — we should all be in such financial trouble — The whole lot of them need to grow up and smell the trash piling up all over this country — why are we rewarding such horrific bad behavior? This is just disgusting — how are all of you doing with paying your mortgages, health insurance, food for your kids?– Hey, let’s have these women start a charity for “real” people who need help — i.e., the “fans” who have to watch this inane and nasty circus just to escape from real everyday problems…CHARITY MY ASS! What was Jill’s charity again? Oh yeah, arthritis for her daughter — lose some weight and maybe, just maybe, joints won’t hurt so bad — but then again the only thing her daughter has to make herself feel wanted and loved is food — certainly not getting anything from her mother….Ah F’ it….this is such crap!

    • For some, like jill and kelly, it’s pure ego. Bethenny was up front about using it as a platform to promote her business ventures.

    • Alexa Rose says:

      Not a Jill fan, but what you said about Ally is hurtful. As a person with arthritis, I can tell you it’s not about the weight.

    • Jennifer says:

      Celebrity net worth also has Teresa worth 1 million which is not Trey and says Elaine from Seinfeld is an heiress also not true so sites not reliable

    • MickeyMouth says:

      I think minor children should be left out of these blog posts.

      • sbh says:

        Ashley too? Cause I finally figured out what her face reminds me of. Won’t say it if you tell me not to.

        • MickeyMouth says:

          Ashley is not a minor child and is a participating member of the RHONJ with her own blog. She’s been given a role on the show and a platform (Bravo blog) to express her opinions, so she should have to stand for the criticism given to her in regards to her comments and actions.

          This is Lynn’s house sbh and you can say whatever you want as long as it adheres to her rule. I personally don’t feel we need to go there with the minor children.

          • sbh says:

            Cool Mickey,

            So imagine you clapped your hands, but between your palms there is a doughy chipmunk’s face (with the buck teeth and all) and his cheeks are stuffed with nuts (honest, no pun intended) and now push your hands together slowly so that the face elongates and thins just a little. Now stick a potato head man’s orange nose smack center into the face. throw on a brown wig, a knit net cap and some mascara, and there is Ashley.

            See, now, I can say that because I have lost some important braincells on that kid’s blogs. That skank owes me. The cells left in my brain spent some quality time during that dumbass poker game, trying to figure out which animal’s face she kept reminding me of. It was the prominent wide nose with the birdie eyes too close together that threw me off.

            I actually thought boyfriend should have left with Ashley–like ‘I protect her, she is my ‘other’. He should have shaken hands with everyone, excused himself and left. I guess in this community, letting your girl get hauled for a spankin by momma while you stay and hang with the big boys is okay.

            Now, as for Jaq saying something mean about her own daughter’s looks on television, where her friends watch…well, Ashley doesn’t need my emotional support or positive attention to feel good about herself, that’s Jaq’s responsibility, she is the guilty one here.

            Jaq, don’t tell your kid she looks like a grandmother in a drunken mumble when she just comes through the door. esp when said daughter obviously has poor body issues. I don’t care if the old broad was a beauty queen and still hittin it at the old nursing home.

            And don’t use a public arena to finally grow a pair. How fake was that?

            Kid, stop looking to “Dad” for support–he’s sleeping with Mommy and seems to enjoy that. he will take her side

            Albie, just sleep with Ashlie already, the smoldering looks are giving me a headache.

            Joe, ahhh Joe, my favorite misogynistic homophobe, so lovely when you add your sparkly little witticisms and suggestions. They add so much to any conversation. You are a true linguistic aficionado. I cannot imagine why no one has asked you to speak at the White House State Dinners. Any day now I’m sure they will call, I will keep my fingers crossed.

            the guest of gross: sweaty steve. his greasy, balding, bloated red faced looks reflect the icky, greasy, bloated man inside. He denied making the sex tape–not leaking it out to the public. Still guilty of skanky activity in my book.

            What, was there was someone else at the game that I failed to mention? Oh right, Chewchucky! For my ear’s sanity I have learned to block her, if she has said anything impo the whole episode I was not aware.

            Concerning Dina: as far as I’m concerned, she left last season.

            Danielle: remember that book/moive “clockwork orange,” and how they force this guy’s eyelids open with metal clips, so his eyeballs are protruding and he is forced to watch these violent clips against his will–well, that’s how Danielle looks and how I felt.

            Caroline: Doesn’t she look like she could be the mother of that kid from the show “Two and a half men” (CBS, with Charlie Sheen, the kid’s the half part of the equation) when he was much younger? The cheeks, the mouth..? I still don’t know how I feel about her personality though. I don’t hate her, but I certainly do not love her.

            [Smartest one on the show: Danielle’s ten year old daughter Jillian. Quiet but quick. It makes sense she is so advanced for her age, it takes a lot of maturity to raise a crazy mother.]

            Okay, RHNJ has been exorcised from my mind.

            oh no! Engage…then Suggest….. I’m taking a sleeping pill, night all.

    • emt2 says:

      I think those numbers are grossly exaggerated. I do not think Jill is worth that amount. I do not think that Bethenny is worth that much . It can’t be true. I don’t believe it.

  120. Sinfullydelicious says:

    You’re right “a former Jill fan” about the egos — but what I’m stating is the fact that last night Jill made a big deal of Kelly being on the show to support her kids….$15 million isn’t enough to raise her children? Plus, Kelly stated from day one on this show that she doesn’t give her name out to just any charity….as others have pointed out, she has yet to give anything toward charity by being on this show….Also, come on people — how dumb does Kelly think we are — if scary island and the yacht were so unbearable — she certainly has enough money to have left whenever she wanted….Can anyone tell me what charity Jill or any of them (besides Sonja and Alex) did this season?

  121. Sinfullydelicious says:

    Sorry Alexa Rose — didn’t mean to diminish people with the pain — I let my anger for this nasty woman (Jill) get the better of me — you’re right, didn’t need to put her down — just pointing out the hypocrisy of Jill’s “charitable” work…again, apologies…but everything else I stand by….

  122. Amber...Real Wife says:

    OT but TRUE.

    Alot of “trolls” refer to folks on this site as obsessed with a fake reality show, and the posters as crazed fans, who need a “life”.

    Yeah, we are crazed fans. We are crazy about BRAS, but our hate for JKL is quite sane. I believe, many of us were so outraged by the behaviour of JKL because many of us have dealt with women/meangirls/whores/hobags like them in our “real” lives.

    What Jill did, too numerous to detail, is typical of a hateful jealous bitch. This person lies, gossips, maligns and manipulates others to do her dirty work. She uses emotional blackmail to control everyone. Her type manages to control everything from work, family functions, guestlists, place cards, PTA, Church, sports leauges, HOA’S, Neighborhood Watch etc. She’s a true star fucker, only nice to those richer or better connected. She is a ostentatious and a braggart. She constantly reminds others of her position or wealth and ridicules those who are not as wealthy. She considers these people beneath her and easily disposable. She will fuck with peoples reputations and livelihood, taking extreme measures to get people blackballed or fired. She only cares about herself and living in “HIGH SOCIETY”.

    Kelly, is the pretty girl (I don’t see it). She shrewdly decided early on to ignore women and pay attention to the men. She’ll talk to your man and totally ignore you. This type capitalizes on her looks and surrounds herself with people who stroke her ego. They hijacks ideas, as they hear what they want to hear, and takes others words or works as their own. (kellade, channeling the devil, owlgate) They insult people and then claim to be attacked due to jealousy. An older woman, trying to use some crazy little girl sexuality and juvenile words to appear young. “BEAUTY FADES, DUMB IS FOREVER”.

    Luann, the hypocritical, etiquette queen. This type will constantly remind others how to speak, eat, dress, walk and act all the while doing the exact oposite in their own life. The one who will give advice on dating and marriage while she’s heading to divorce. Tells you how to raise your children, yet hers are juvenile delinquents or jailbirds. This type is critical of all you do meanwhile she is living in a glass house.


  123. Olivia says:

    One question concerning the cast members over at the Dead Zone that is known as the NJ franchise. How do these bozo’s actually earn the money they throw around so much?

    The huge houses with marble floors, granite counter tops, huge foyers, three car garages, vast grounds, expensive jewelry, high end clothing, nail salons, hair dressers, Botox injections, bubbie enhancements, ready cash, late model cars, and expensive vacations? (Theresa and others are going to Italy this season.)

    We have been in a recession for a few years and things are not looking up. How does one account for the Brownstone and its “success” with a large staff and two brothers sharing the profits while also employing one son and another daughter as well? I have no idea what Chris, Jacqueline’s husband, does for a living but they too live pretty large. A deli bill for $550 to feed 5 people and paid in cash? Who carries that much money around? And so much food to serve those caveman over one card game?

    We know that Juicy Joe and Theresa were living far and away above their means but this stuff is really amazing to behold. Few industries that I know of are hiring not to mention the layoffs that in my neck of NE are a daily occurrence.

    Just very puzzling to assume that this is all legit when you ask the questions.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Very puzzling indeed… Especially with the existing background information that is currently available.

    • Squirrels says:

      Who knows? Maybe their cash fell off a truck?

    • TLM says:

      I didn’t see this portion of the NJ Cavemen Roundtable (!), however, Bravo has already had several instances where they have displayed a bill total, and the person involved said that’s not nearly what they paid. I have serious issues with Bravo and its editing on this point. Teresa said she didn’t even pay close to what the bill was at a children’s clothing store, and I would bet the dresses Lynn and Gretchen bought at Intermix a couple of years ago were greatly reduced in exchange for the publicity. It is possible here that 1) Bravo paid for the food, and 2) perhaps the bill was for food for the cast & filming crew as well. The “receipt” flashes Bravo shows to give the viewer an impression are downright deceptive and anymore, are meaningless to me. I remember reading that Blue & Cream gave Alex & Simon a NINETY PERCENT discount on that infamous shopping spree in the Hamptons. So I would take the deli bill with a grain of salt. Or mustard. 😉

  124. jillz68 says:

    I have a question about Jersey and want to see if anyone else saw what I did. When Chris was buying the cold cuts did anyone else see that the bill was $543. something? Am I making that up? If not, what the heck did they buy for 6 men that was worth $543?? Call me a bad wife but if my husband was having the boyz over for poker and I needed to provide snacks it would be chips and dip and maybe some cold cuts. Might spend $50 not including booze.

    I know this wasn’t lost on you folks. When Danielle was talking about wanting another little dog but that if she didn’t get a man she was getting a dog like Diesel (Great Dane) did your mind go THERE? I couldn’t help myself. I totally thought she was thinking about some very creepy sex stuff.

    I was very skeeved out by this episode. D and her gaggle of less fortunate housewives writhing around trying the pole was not sexy or necessary. Didn’t they realize they were putting on a show for the recently paroled?? You cannot convince me that Danielle doesn’t know Danny in the biblical sense.

    My husband was worried that folks would think I was Zarin under an assumed name since my user name here and on twitter is jillz68. I let him know you all were FAR too smart for that.

    I think that folks need to let Jillzilla know how lame she is by not following her on twitter or being her FB friend (provided you haven’t been blocked already). Can you imagine her face if she were to see followers dropping like flies? PRICELESS! I was kinda surprised that she went to the effort of blocking anyone follwing Ginger but that is what happens when you go off the rails and need to control everything.

    Jill (the sane one)

    • ramonacoaster says:

      I would like to see the number of Jill’s twitter followers dwindle and the number of Team BRAS twitter followers exceed Jill’s. It’ll make Jill’s head explode. And then we won’t have to see her on the show next season.

    • pfinfl says:

      I noticed the $500 bill and also noticed they said this was something they do every other week? So, do they spend $1000 a month on poker night?

    • sbh says:

      “I know this wasn’t lost on you folks. When Danielle was talking about wanting another little dog but that if she didn’t get a man she was getting a dog like Diesel (Great Dane) did your mind go THERE? I couldn’t help myself. I totally thought she was thinking about some very creepy sex stuff.”

      From the looks of things, so did Diesel. He did not look pleased about the idea.
      And holey moley what a dog. looked like a cow/horse/werewolf hybrid. Loved him, he looks like a sweetie pie. See now, finally there is a being on the HWNJ that I would love to hang with. You and me Diesel! Whatta ya say boy? Wanna run from Mommy’s scary friend Danielle?—Hey wait, slow down wait for me!!

    • Squirrels says:

      Maybe they ordered truffles?

  125. ZarinShmarin says:

    Oooh, a thought. Who remembers when Sonja was talking about one night stands and Luanne made the comment about “paying customers”…something like, “Dahhhhling, we should maybe find another word for ‘customers'” Then Sonja shot back, any REAL friend of mine knows I don’t have paying customers, c’mon (rolls eyes). I thought that was the best. While Sonja was replying to Luanne, Jill said, (paraphrased) “So they must be free!” and laughed. Meaning non-paying customers. What a biyatch! Still making her digs, while “showing how changed she is”. Typical.

    • LOL! Like the name! 😛

    • fairydusted says:

      Exactly. And Didn’t she come on as Lulu’s friend? Niiiice. Maybe, S should find another word for friend.

      • BamaBelle says:

        I heard Jill say that, too, and couldn’t believe it! Isn’t she in enough trouble? I hope Sonja caught what Jill said when watching the Reunion because Jill already made that nasty remark to Coerte about Sonja.

        • TLM says:

          I think Coerte would love Danielle and vice versa. Maybe someone can introduce them so they can go off into the sunset and never be heard from again.

  126. Jennifer says:

    I was just reading realitytea and she mentioned Jill admitted she never told B about Bobby having cancer, did I miss that? Holy crap that’s a huge deal. It means her whole reason for feuding with B is bullshit. She lied from day 1

    • emt2 says:

      yup. Jill lied through her teeth. That’s why she is so disgusting. Cancer is not something to hold over someone’s head nor is it something to use as a Machiavellian manipulation/tool.

      • TLM says:

        Not only that, but Jill said she had to “Cut Bethenny out LIKE CANCER” in one of her confessionals. Your husband actually had cancer and could have died from it. How the F do you then compare a friend to that who you are having an argument with to a cancerous tumor? I thought that was in such poor taste for her to do that.

        • sbh says:

          and it shows how little his cancer issues really impacted her life. My grandmother has cancer now, and I was with her during chemo all day Monday–like every other Monday for the last four months. I wouldn’t use the term cancer to describe anyone, not even an enemy. When the word hits your heart like a fist and smacks your life over, that term is not bandied about lightly.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Yup, seriously can you really have a grudge holding, all out fued with a REAL friend over saying “you need to get a hobby”?????

      • WindyCityWondering says:


      • sbh says:

        Oh please, my friends tell me to get a hobby all the time. They tell me to get a hobby, get a job, get a hubby, get a life, get a clue, get dinner…whatever works in the moment. I just tell them to get bent. Everyone leaves happy.

    • Scorpiosue says:

      That really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. She blames Bobby’s cancer and Bethenny not caring. Remember how she was telling LuAnn or someone that she never went to go visit Bobby and that B sent flowers. From Jill, “My mailman sent flowers.” Nervy, nasty woman.

      • sbh says:

        did Luann ever visit Bobby?

        • emt2 says:

          no one visited Bobby because no one knew he was sick. When I met Alex at a signing, she said that Jill always goes into great detail about her family’s health. You would know if Ally had a cold, for example.

          However, Jill never said anything about Bobby having cancer, just that he was having a routine operation.

          So, no one knew.

          It kills me that Jill made such a big stink over this especially when B’s died! There was an actual death, not an exaggerated procedure.

          That’s why I really don’t like Jill. She cheapens death with her malicious tactics.

          I want someone to bring up Jill’s reaction towards Ramona’s knowledge that B’s father had died. She knew that he died because she told Alex during the day. But, at Ramona’s she is pretending otherwise.

          And that is what makes Jill a disgusting person.

          • emt2 says:

            B’s father died.


            • TLM says:

              Right. “A procedure” would make me think maybe he was having something done that was personal or embarrassing, like hemorrhoid surgery or something, and that’s why he wouldn’t want people to know. If a friend would only say “procedure,” I would take that as a cue that it was something that for whatever reason, they did not want to talk about, and did not invite questions about. I would never think it could be a life or death thing. Did Jill think people were psychic???

              I am really starting to think Jill is as crazy as Kelly.

  127. boston02127 says:

    @Olivia~I agree with your post about Bethenny not knowing what she was facing when apologizing to Jill. All season I’ve been wondering how Jill could be so angry over the three words “get a hobby”.
    When Jill started making such a big deal about the comment “get a hobby”, I think at one point she realized it was irrelevant and immature to many people and she began to add issues to her list of anger towards Bethenny. The thing is she didn’t have legitimate issues to add but she had many people fooled and she ran with it. She got so deep in her exaggerations, to this day this day I really don’t think she even knows what she is apologizing for.

    • fairydusted says:

      Oh and belated Congrats to you Boston! Best wishes in all your new endeavors.

    • kats2 says:

      Yes totally agree.

      And knowing what we know now, go back and watch the season from the beginning. Everything has a deeper meaning and you see the shock that Bethenny and others had over how Jill was acting. But who has time to relive the crazy? I actually think Bravo owes me at least 10 hours.

      Boston Congrats!!! I said on a previous blog but who can keep up.

  128. lillybee says:

    In my opinion, people who pay cash in large amounts may be earning money under the table.

  129. Zipit Zarin! says:

    This is an anagram name generator: http://deanjackson.dj/nameanagram/

    NIMBLER, LOONY, KEEN SKILL <—Kelly Killoren Bensimon LOL!

    JAIL ZR NIL <–Jill Zarin

    MAIN GROANERS <– Ramona Singer


    CLEAN SPOUTLESS NUDENESS <—The Countess LuAnn De Lesseps

    Alex Mccord <—–CALM RED COX

    Yes, I have too much time on my hands. hehe

  130. Sunshine&Lollipops says:

    Dear ShedMedia/Bravo TV:

    I would pay, yes pay, to watch the entire footage of the virgin islands trip.

    Please put it all on a dvd and I’ll be the first one in line to pay!!

    • Squirrels says:

      Unfortunately, from what one of the women said, they did not tape the stuff that happened after the we need to cool it discussion.

      Another book? My life on the WTF list?

  131. ilovelynn says:

    jill, it’s Egregious, you stupid fu*king twit!

  132. desertgal66 says:

    Sinfullydelicious says:
    Oh yeah, arthritis for her daughter — lose some weight and maybe, just maybe, joints won’t hurt so bad but then again the only thing her daughter has to make herself feel wanted and loved is food — certainly not getting anything from her mother…

    Do you actually know anything about arthritis and the side effects of the illness and the medications, or are you just picking on Ally’s weight as an extension of your dislike of her mother?

    Lay off the girl. If you want to be critical of Jill, fine, I get that. But you don’t know anything about Ally or what issues she might have. None of us do, really. And making cracks about her arthritis and her weight-and the steroids prescribed for arthritis DO cause heavy weight gain, along with the illness itself-is just really below the belt.

    • Kat says:

      I’ve gained about 30 – 35 over the last 7 years due to 2 back surgies.
      Stuff happens. Some gain is due to meds, but most is due to being much less active. Not my choice.

      • desertgal66 says:

        Exactly. Stuff happens.

        I’m sorry everyone, I didn’t mean to come across so sharp in my post above, but taking potshots at Ally’s weight and/or issues just bothers me.

        Ally Shapiro isn’t Ashley Holmes – for the most part, she keeps to herself, she doesn’t bother anyone, she isn’t getting into nasty extended Twitter wars with her mother’s castmates or critics. And she seems like a lovely girl with an unfortunate and painful illness who is just trying to get through life and start college without a desire for public/press attention.

        • Squirrels says:

          My bro in law has RA. The drugs are nasty and he’s nearly lost all ability to engage in a favorite pastime, playing piano.

          Seeing the pain he’s endured, along with his hands and feet swelling and knuckles distorting, I feel for Ally. I hope the drugs available to her give her relief so she may reach her full potential.

          <<<< steps off her soapbox.

    • Sinfullydelicious says:

      As mentioned before — I have apologized for my ignorance and allowing my anger to get the better of me — my stupid attempt at trying to figure this whole thing out came off wrong and I do regret it — the point I was trying to make (and again, should not have made Ally as an example) was that for all of the holier than thou attitude these women have about having a platform for charity seems to get lost or never seen in this season (Jill especially) since she only did the one charity event last season and it was for arthritis….I don’t ever want to be accused of not owning up to my insensitivity and asking for forgiveness when I know I have been wrong — so to all of you again I am very sorry for my insensitive remarks about Ally….hope you won’t hold a grudge…Thanks….

  133. kats2 says:

    Does anyone know if Ginger Zarin comments here? I came up with a Twitter idea to annoy Kelly and who ever is behind that dog on twitter is clever and I think they can pull this off. IF not anyone here who is interested is welcome to the idea.

    Someone create a Twitter account as Kelly’s left Boob and another one as her Right Boob. As Ramona would say “One is up here the other is going there” and they can talk about how they are trying to escape from Kelly, talk about when they are going to get fixed, how Kelly uses too much spray tan on them (you get the idea). I think it would be very funny, if anyone can come up with material like Ginger Zarin did and the added bonus is that it would bug the crap out of Kelly. Because we all know she doesn’t like to discuss her messed up boobs.

    Question – Do I have too much time on my hands? Obviously not too much because if I did, I would just do it.

  134. Barb says:

    Hey there everyone,
    Been reading for a while and must say that you guys have been the best part of my vacay! Lynn you got a mention on Durango… even if they didn’t publish your blog name.


    Also, have any of you seen your newest taxpayer funded welfare recipient’s latest blog? Here’s the ending… the rest is just more Beverly bashing…

    Finally, no, my house is not for sale or under foreclosure. My daughter is not getting kicked out of Catholic school because I made a sex tape. And I didn’t have a tummy tuck or marry a gay man. Oh wait, I think I’m getting my Housewives gossip confused… Love love love you all!

    Tanti Baci,

    Maybe she gets paid by the word? Oh and that other literary giant’s , Ashley, blog is up…

    • kokuanani says:

      I just went to the Durango tv blog and left a recommendation of, and link to this blog, Lynn.

    • BamaBelle says:

      Hi Barb,

      Teresa irritates me as much as Jill does. The freaking nerve of that woman to accuse Bethenny of having a tummy-tuck, and calling Jason gay, just shows how really, really, CLASSLESS she is.

      Some women are fortunate to lose their baby weight really soon. I had a friend who weighed around 110 pounds before her pregnancy. She gained about 25 pounds, had an 8 pound baby, then put her pre-pregnancy jeans on to leave the hospital. She also had her baby while her husband was parking the car… LOL!

      My daughter-in-law is smaller than Bethenny, she gained about 20 pounds, had a decent size baby and in a few weeks she weighed less than she did before pregnancy with not much of a pooch. Some people are lucky that way.

      Teresa (Book idea-Stealer… Skinny Italian) is jealous because she didn’t lose her baby weight as fast as Bethenny, and look at Jason… WAY BETTER LOOKING THAN JOE!… Need I say more?

      BTW… Has anybody noticed what a Butthole Joe is this year? I thought Teresa was going to have to call a cab for a ride to the hospital. He didn’t seem too excited during the labor part, either. I don’t think he can take that whining-irritating-nasally voice, either. Oooooohhhhh, don’t get me started about Teresa and Joe… GROSS!

      • sbh says:

        hear, hear!

      • emt2 says:

        Teresa didn’t start a rumor about Jason being gay. People have speculated that from awhile back and Omarosa is actually the one who said that B had a tummy tuck and married a gay man.

        I think Teresa was just repeating that rumor in the same sentence as addressing “rumors” about her financial situation. The only problem is that the rumors about Teresa’s bankruptcy are true because we’ve read the documents online.

  135. Kat says:

    I am so sick of Jill zarin that after Thursday’s #3 show, I hope to never type her miserable name again.

  136. moriasheehan says:

    Hey Lynn, once the show ends this season, should we have a “i hate jill zarin” posters online reunion?

  137. Real Bullsh!t says:

    Forgive me if I’m a little tardy to the party, but when Jill said – “I dropped Ally off for her first last day of school” – what the hell does that mean?

    • shantygal says:

      She said or was trying to say it was Ally’s last first day of school. Meaning it was her senior year and there would be no more first days of school for her little girl.

      • TLM says:

        I’m glad someone explained that for me. However, if she’s starting college, there will still be a first day of school each year she is there, as well. It was an odd thing for Jill to say.

        Jill is parsing words about the camp for Ally. Yes, it was officially a “detox” camp, but the whole focus when Ally returned was how much weight she lost and how flat her belly was. Of course, it all came back. They had this child on green shakes every day, probably made from wheatgrass, which is unrealistic for anyone, let alone a teenager who wants to feel normal and eat things her friends eat. I believe Bethenny could have designed a program for her that would have been 100% more effective, which Ally could stick to. Who the F needed a private plane to get to a camp? Where was the camp located, on an island in the middle of nowhere? I never understood that.

  138. kats2 says:

    Gawker – if you don’t read the recaps it’s a must. They have the same taste as we do. The picture is pricless. While you’re there also read the NJ recap, they put little obnoxious Ashley in her place. enjoy


    • desertgal66 says:

      Loved this description on Gawker:

      Kelly Killoren Bensimon: We already lit into Kelly for making absolutely no sense whatsoever. She’s like a Speak and Spell where the battery is dying. You understand that there is language coming out of her, but it is just all garbled and strange and doesn’t quite connect.

      • kokuanani says:

        I was just copying that same remark to post it here.

        Great minds clearly think alike!!!

    • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

      Please make sure to read all the comments by “Love Parade”, someone who says he knows KKB well….. very interesting!

    • kokuanani says:

      You forgot to alert us to this gem from the article:


      So those rumors of Jill being a Gawker intern [i.e., suck-up] are true!!

  139. lillybee says:

    She was referring to Ally’s first day of her senior year. For Jill it was tragic because next year Ally will be going away for college.

  140. jakey's mimi says:

    Jill cancelled her facebook account. Finally, that social media break we’ve all been waiting for. Love your blog, Lynn. What will I do until next season?

  141. Gingers poo says:

    This will never show up on Bravo, so I will post it here. Response to Jill’s BRAVO blog.

    So now you are “divine?”

    Please! No one is really buying this, despite your full court press with your paid PR people. Someone who was truly sorry would not continue to post VILE things about Bethenny, Ramona, and Kelly on YOUR BLOG, while only allowing positive things about yourself, and your supposed martyrdom.

    Saying “I am sorry” means NOTHING, if you haven’t atoned for it, and SHOWN that you are changing your behavior. Blaming people for not “forgiving” you ON YOUR SCHEDULE shows how completely selfish and clueless you are.

    If you were actually sorry for anything other than the results of YOUR behavior, you would make the changes needed, and prove BY YOUR BEHAVIOR, NOT EMPTY WORDS, that you will not behave in such reprehensible ways in the future.

    Instead, you continue to do the same things, reveling in the trashing of BRAS, while censoring, or even changing the words of people trying to give you honest feedback. Oh, and the veiled threats about retaliation for nonsense by tracking AP addresses, or because a few people sent you sympathy cards for your loss of character and face.

    APOLOGIZE TO A CHANDLER, them perhaps, people might start believing your empty words.

  142. m293131 says:

    Wonder who planted the article in Page Six today about the which housewives will be leaving. Source (Jill) told page Six Bethenny is leaving and Alex but Jen is the first to leave

  143. Scorpiosue says:

    I’m kind of shocked. My message to Jill on the Bravo TV blog actually made it through moderation. Nice thing is that Jill can’t delete it :):):):):).

    Sue in Chicago
    Jill, you ask what did you do that was so egregious that they couldn’t forgive you? The worst for me was how you went after Bethenny’s livelihood. You told the other housewives not to film with her. When promoting the show you were negative about Bethenny from the get go. While filming you did everything to make Bethenny look bad. Bethenny reached out to you many times to talk about your rift and you shot her down. Yet, when YOU want to apologize and be friends again you don’t understand why she does not want to be friends. It’s quite sad.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Is it me or are all the housewives’ blogs very low key this week and the comments are pretty tame as well? Is Bravo trying to slow these trainwrecks (NY and NJ) down? Andy was even mellow on WWHL…

  144. iceNfire says:

    haven’t finished reading yet but did anyone notice that Kelly doesn’t know how to play Fish? When evetone was yelling Bethenny said something about being at a blackjack table. Kelly Yells “Fish! Do you have a 4, no I have a 2” hmmm

  145. Smompy says:

    Thanks for the reminder Kats2! I always forget to check Gawker, and Richard Lawson always makes me LMAO.

    To emt, Re: your comment above^

    I agree and disagree with you:) I do think Bethenny behaves badly sometimes, but I don’t think she really gets away with very much. I mean to say, I can’t think of a single website relating to this show where Bethenny hasn’t been raked over the coals for something she’s said or done. Her bad behavior NEVER goes totally unnoticed. And she is far from perfect but a good amount of the time she’s unfairly accused of or blamed for things she didn’t do too, so I guess I tend to feel defensive toward her even though she’s occasionally kinda, well, mean. Just occasionally!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      B has behaved badly but owned it. Jill is vindictive, she fights dirty and doesn’t give up even after she is caught. Big difference.

      • emt2 says:

        I agree with you that Jill fights dirty and doesn’t know when to stop. But, Bethenny doesn’t always own her bad behavior. A good example would be the incident with Alex and the Skinny Girl logo.

        I remember when Alex went out of her way to design the logo for Skinny Girl for Bethenny. Bethenny didn’t use it, which is totally fine, but never told ALex that she wasn’t going to use it until way later. B wrote in her blog that she decided on a much chicer, sleeker design but to Alex’s face she said that her business partners didn’t like it. That’s not nice and Alex said that her feelings were hurt about it.

        Bethenny brought it up with Alex months after the fact and when she was forced to confront her at Ramona’s Labor Day party. Why didn’t she call her over the summer to explain? Why wait until the season starts?

        Bethenny even explained in a talking head that she didn’t use the logo and wasn’t proud of the way she handled it. However, in the same breath she said that Alex shouldn’t be angry with her because Bethenny was doing her favor by exposing her skills as a graphic designer. That sounds a bit self-righteous to me. Alex was upset about that incident. That’s not a sincere apology to me. And B basically said that Alex wasn’t a great designer when she made the comments that her new logo was more chic and sleek and that Bethenny was throwing a couple of bones in Alex’s way by allowing her to show her work.

        Does that make sense?

        I was wondering about the relationship between Alex and Bethenny because B always seems to call Alex for a shoulder to cry on or vent to but we rarely see how Bethenny helps Alex. Bethenny can be very self-absorbed at times. Well, all of the women are! lol I guess I’m skeptical about the authenticity of their relationship.

        • LynnNChicago says:


          Bethenny did say some things about Kelly to the press but that was after Kelly slammed Bethenny in all of those pre-season interviews. Kelly toured and went on many talk shows with Luann and Jill. The three of them were brutal when they were talking about Bethenny, particularly Kelly who was saying the same things about Bethenny to reporters as she said on the yacht. She said she likes to put other people down to make herself feel better about herself, Kelly said that Bethenny was a fame whore and called her all kinds of names.
          It got to the point where on some shows, Jill and Luann were looking uncomfortable about how far Kelly was going to bash Bethenny. In fact, in one interview the reporter asked them about Alex and Kelly answered the question by going off on Bethenny. Kelly just couldn’t wait to get out there and do interviews so that she could slam Bethenny.
          I’m not saying Bethenny is perfect and yes, she did say some things about Kelly too but she never mentioned Kelly’s children and she never said anything cruel like Kelly was alone and couldn’t find a man, things like that. Bethenny could have been much worse toward Kelly, especially with what we know now about Kelly, but she seemed to be holding back. JMHO

          • emt2 says:

            I agree that this season Kelly went out of her way to trash B. But last year, it was B who slammed Kelly in the press. She didn’t mention her family, though. I think Jill planted that in Kelly’s mind but Bethenny definitely slammed Kelly in the media. Kelly said things about B only afterwards and as a reaction to what B said about her.

            Bethenny hasn’t really said anything about Kelly this year except that Kelly is mentally unstable and crazy. I personally think that B should just stop calling her crazy in the press. We know she is crazy and has a serious problem, so why rub salt in the womb? B has a great show to concentrate on and doesn’t really have anything to gain from insulting Kelly.

            It sounds like I’m defending Kelly but I’m not. I knew bitch was weird a long time ago. I just think that B’s behavior and actions deserve more scrutiny than we have given to them.

        • SunshineNYC says:

          Actually Alex has said that BOTH of them have confided and relied on each other for emotional support.

          Is Bethenny an angel? No. None of us are. But she is far from being a manipulative, back stabbing, envious, eat your own child kind like Jill is. And that’s why I think she’s developed good friendships w/Alex & Ramona.

          • emt2 says:

            I hope the friendship is genuine. I haven’t seen Alex relying on B on the show, that’s all.

            I don’t think she is backstabbing the way Jill is but I do think that Bethenny can be very manipulative and self-absorbed.

            I do think that fame got the best of Jill this year because even though she could be mean the first two seasons, she was also nice and caring. Now she is just mean and evil.

    • emt2 says:

      “And she is far from perfect but a good amount of the time she’s unfairly accused of or blamed for things she didn’t do too, so I guess I tend to bel defensive toward her even though she’s occasionally kinda, well, mean.”

      I think the only unfair thing she was accused of is planting stories about Kelly’s family. She didn’t do that.

      But, Bethenny lied when she said “Why would I spend my time putting Kelly in the press?” She has said a lot of disparaging things about Kelly to the press.
      A lot!

      I really haven’t seen a lot of bad press about Bethenny over the years ,to be honest. I think that Kelly should have been more prepared at the reunion because she actually had valid points when it came to Bethenny.

      I used to feel protective of Bethenny until the reunion show, to be honest. I thought that she was completely innocent and Jill and Kelly were being bitches for no reasons. Now, when I look back at old blogs, articles from over the summer, and how this season unfolded, it became clear that Bethenny behaved badly each season, as well.

      B admitted that she hadn’t seen any of the ladies all summer and when she saw Ramona kissing Simon hello, she was shocked and said, “Since when did Simon and Ramona become best friends?” She said it in the same tone that Jill used with she asked Ramona if Alex was her new best friend.

      Also, I don’t like that B told Jill that by asking the other cast members not to film with her, Jill was messing with her livelihood. She did the same thing to Kelly last year. Just because Kelly is worth “15 million” doesn’t mean that she doesn’t need to make a living. We don’t know her financial life. Maybe her husband decreased alimony payments or child support. We don’t know this. Bethenny just wanted Kelly off the show and she counseled everyone to stick to her plan.

      I like Bethenny but I’m not looking at her with the rose colored glasses anymore. I’m not suggesting that you are wearing rose colored glasses, by the way. 🙂

      • CdnFillie says:

        sorry emt2..it feels like you are poking your finger every one in a while to see what reaction you will get…am I making sense here 🙂

        • emt2 says:

          I’m not poking my figure to get a reaction. I’ve been following Lynn’s blog from the very beginning and have been staunchly anti-Jill. You can go back and look at posts if you don’t believe me.

          What I am saying is that I’ve started to look at things from a different angle in regards to B and find that she has been guilty of bad behavior and has been hypocritical, as well. I have also been very anti-Kelly but I am now trying to understand why she is the way she is. I still don’t like her and don’t really want to see her on the show anymore but I am trying to understand.

          I can still like B and be critical of her. She is not above reproach.

          If you think that I’m coming off as being condescending, I am not. I was being genuine when I asked Does that make sense? because I’m still trying to make sense of it in my own head.

  146. shantygal says:

    This is the funniest freakin’ thing you will see about the reunion. I gaurantee.


    • BamaBelle says:

      shantygal… OH MY GOODNESS! That IS the funniest thing I’ve ever seen! I can’t stop laughing. Everybody, please… please, look at this! Thanks for posting the link.

  147. We sat and watched Jill once again give empty apologies, how can you be truly sorry to someone else, (Bethenny) when you’re holding a grudge AGAIN with someone new? (Alex). Jill makes me sick, I really cannot stand her anymore, and I really don’t know what I saw in Jill that I liked in the first place.
    Kelly, well Kelly once again was all over the place, blaming the ladies for bullying, instead of owning up to her OWN bullying of the ladies on the VI trip… and really, who cares about the 1 night stand BS? So over that one…
    I blogged about the RHONJ, I know you don’t really care for them, but you should check it out, Lynn… http://justcarrieann.wordpress.com/
    I would love to hear your thoughts on the Danielle sex tape…. the woman has NO shame…
    Thursday is going to be great! I can’t wait to see Ramona give it to Jill! LOL

    • mariareads says:

      I came down with some kind of virus today so I crawled into bed around 5, giving in. Tried to sleep but felt too achey so I watched the
      2 reunion episodes. Some thoughts I had while watching:

      Kelly’s strange behaviors are very noticeable on this reunion. Every time she made a quiet comment when one of the BRAS (I feel stupid writing that but so much easier than spelling out the names!) was speaking to Jill -kind of under her breath and seemed to be saying something to back Jill up-she would shake her leg. Am I the only one who noticed that? It became annoying. Course I don’t feel well so everything is annoying me right now but this struck me as so very odd. One shake of the leg. Check it out the next time you watch Thursday or re-watch one of the already aired episodes. So strange.
      She also has such childish behaviors. Twirling the hair, looking down-all she needed was a pacifier to complete the idiotic picture. And excuse me, but what was that thing on her wrist? That is one ugly freaking bracelet and the feathers were reminiscent of a dead bird. Hideous. Is that one of her “designs”? Also , what’s with the use of the last names? “Ramona Singer” “Alex McCord”. She’s a nasty piece of work and would be more lethal if she could string a thought together.
      I cannot believe that she is still trying to spin her nut job behavior w/ systematic bullying. Wonder which one of her PR people invented that? No way that the father of those girls of hers doesn’t have someone watching 24/7. If he lives in the same building something must be up. She’s 42 years old! There is nothing mature or rational about her. Looking back at the scene where she and her daughters are making pancakes you can see that those kids are putting up with her and not having the greatest time having to deal with it.

      I’m thinking more and more that she is incredibly jealous of other women. She hates B because of her Skinny Girl label and now the show. Hates her. You can see it in her body language and the way she has the balls to continue to say that B bullied her on the trip and they had to have an intervention. As for how the mean girls feel about the others: Alex & Simon have a successful book and they are getting attention all over the country. Given that some of those bitches look down on Alex because she is not huber rich and didn’t marry someone to get her hands on their bank account it must gall them that she is happy in her marriage & now has an opportunity to probably write yet another book. Don’t forget that they were complimented by the publishers for how well written the book was and how articulate she and Simon are. Alex works like most American women do. I give her credit for working & raising her kids, taking care of a home & seeming to have a really good relationship w/ her husband. Simon seems like a nice guy. Not my type at all but it works for them and they appear to be a happy little family. Mean girls hate that and probably envy it. Ramona has it all in their eyes. Mario is handsome, seems to love her and understands her quirky ways. Avery is a beautiful girl and I was impressed with how comfortable that kid is in her own skin. Family business, new business venture in this True Renewal line as well as the success of her recent jewelry designs. R is probably very wealthy. Can’t be fun for some of those women to know that R seems to have it all. ~Back to Kelly, she never, ever wears anything that I would consider lovely or fashionable. Isn’t she supposed to be some kind of fashionista & writes krap about fashion? Her clothes are hideous. When she wears those freaky short dresses she looks ridiculous. While I would love to be 2 or 3 inches taller myself, there is a point where someone can be too tall and lanky LOL! That’s her! And she doesn’t wear clothes that flatter her at all. That thing she had on at the reunion looked like a fluttery rag wrapped around her. Fashion writer? Really Kelly Bensimon? Get out of here!

      I’m no freaky stalker fan of any of these women but the truth is the truth. Jill was so full of krap. She was fawning over Bethenny and it was embarrassing to watch. B called her out. Jill’s behavior toward Alex was so over the top that I have to believe that she really, really hates her and it goes much deeper than the delivery of the B message.
      No matter how hard she tries to hawk that rag of a book, Alex has sold more and made more money from hers. It’s killing Jill. She looks down on Alex and hates that Alex is getting in her face. Again with the ugly bracelets! What WERE those things? How many did she have on? 9? 1 and sorry but those green shoes were so out there. Please Jill, do walk off and get the hell out of our sight. How can her family watch her act like a nasty, mean middle school girl and not see it for what it is? Envy. She has to have the most, be the best and tell everyone about it. Size 1? In her dreams in another life on Mars where chickens have lips! Why even go there and say it on TV for God’s sake? This woman is over exposed. I hope they can her. There are so many women who could take her place and be more interesting. She serves a purpose for Bravo. She’s the mean bitch who is envious and always runs, runs, runs to keep up w/ others. She’s a cliche and it worked for Bravo. Cash cow if you will. It was almost scary how she was brown nosing B. She kept trying and trying & B stood her ground. It will be interesting to see if she allows that freak to hug her.
      Any bets? I think B will turn her down.

      Luann looked like what she is. A boring person who married a rich, older man & walks around appearing to take the high ground. She gets in the mud. Believe me. She did this show. Surely that is not countess-like! R’s comment about the dress-well it’s true that Luann wore many knit, one shoulder dresses through the season. Not a bad look for her but way over done. As for the singing? GAWD! Please not another housewife with a freaking song! When she came down those stairs in that bar to sing I couldn’t watch. ( Look away from the light Carol Ann!! ) She looked absolutely ridiculous and the lip synching was obvious as hell. Stop the singing housewives! It should be a movement.

      Sonja I like so far. She seems pretty real and I don’t think she has a mean bone in her body. She may very well surprise as time goes by. I think she adds a little bit of sanity and reality to the mix.

      I’m interested to see the final episode of this. I’m sure they saved the best for last and Ramona looks like she is on fire when she tells Jill off. It will also be interesting to see if there is a lost footage episode in the future. Sure would love to see some of the things they left out.

      OK, back to concentrating on how shitty I feel. At least I had something to snark at so I didn’t waste my bad mood!!

  148. tuzentswurth says:

    Wasn’t it great when Jill said she “reached out” to B and told her she’d be on the next plane to LA (when B was dealing with her father’s illness and death) if she needed her?

    What crazy idiot would want THAT kind of “friend” beside them in their hour of need?

    Then after the funeral, would Jill go back to being a back-stabbing asshole?

    Things that make you go hmmmmmm……………….

  149. Alexa says:

    Out of curiousity, why do you keep posting these blogs? I have tried to figure it out for months and I don’t get it. Jill has done some awful things. Kelly is clearly crazy as well all can see that. Luann, yuk (nuff said). Yes, Bethenny, Ramona, Alex & Sonja are the reason I still watch. But I don’t get why you do this? From where I am sitting it doesn’t seem that they have ever done anything personal against you (before blog) or for you. What do you gain out of this? Do you work? It is a TV show. A reality one but it is still for entertainment purposes. I actually stopped following you on twitter b/c of all your crazy tweets.

    • Kat says:

      Just stop reading and posting… you are becoming your own complaint.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      You really dont get it? Why do you read it? Why do all of these people post their thoughts on the show? Did you ask Reality Tea why they blog about the show? Did you ask the NY Post why they blog about the show? There are dozens of blogs about the show. Why do I have to get the stupid questions?

      I never asked you to follow me on Twitter! Funny how the hundreds of tweets that I get enjoy my tweets but they’re not for everyone. Have a nice life!

      • desertgal66 says:

        Again, I’m always amused by people who will waste time asking other people why they waste time doing the same thing that the original person is doing.

      • Squirrels says:

        “Why do I have to get the stupid questions?”


        don’t care who you are, THAT was funny.

    • As long as Jill keeps spinning the lies and fame-whoring…..WE WILL BE HERE!

    • desertgal66 says:

      Out of curiosity, why do you care enough to ask? Why do you care enough to spend months trying to figure it out? It’s just a blog. You don’t know Lynn. She’s never said anything personal for, against, or about you in her blog. If she wants to come here and talk or rant or laugh about other people that you also don’t know personally, then why the hell do you care?

    • MickeyMouth says:

      I believe it was Nietzsche who said:

      If a poster comments on a post and no one listens is it still posted. Or, was it, if I post to someone I am ignoring to tell them I am ignoring them does a bear still shit in the woods. Nah still not right. Maybe it was, stop posting stuff about people because I may have to actively seek you out and post stuff about how you shouldn’t post stuff about people. Maybe it wasn’t Nietzsche, it may have been Homer Simpson.

    • Barb says:

      Dang it Jill uh I mean Alexa *wink*

      Two words… Amazon Gate

      Don’t you have a page of your own? Lynn doesn’t go to your blog and get to post dumb questions.

    • Shannon says:

      She’s doing it because we love it. If you don’t, there’s the door.

  150. Kat says:

    Why do people bother reading this blog if they don’t understand it or are offended by it? Start your own blog. Post to JillZarin.
    And why do people use different user names to snipe at other posters? Too cowardly to say it and own under your other better known name?
    Silly troll games.
    Respectfully me 8)

  151. Gina says:

    I’ve always been curious how the owners of the million dollar yacht, used in St John’s, felt after Sonja said it smelled like “cat pee”?

    There is no way that a yacht that spectacular and probably cleaned within an inch of it’s life PRIOR to sailing would have such a “horrendous” odor.

    The owners knew their ship was going to be filmed on national t.v. and have 5 RHONY’s, camera people, makeup and hair people, and of course a FULL
    staff on this boat.

    A stench like cat pee doesn’t just happen randomly. But lo and behold in Kelly’s state room Sonja smells the offending odor!!

    It is just too weird to let this go by the wayside.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Maybe Sonja smelled one of Kelly’s fabulous beauty products that leave her orange and greasy……or Kelly didn’t flush the toilet in her bathroom…..

    • CdnFillie says:

      I was hoping they would bring it up. It sure was discussed in enough blogs and reports.

  152. RileyKitty says:

    Please bear with me, I have the flu & feel a bit Kelly-like in the brain today. When watching part 1 again today, I could have sworn when Kelly asks Alex to cross her legs it seemed like Jill may have asked Kelly to say something to Alex. Kelly was too busy playing with that feather to have noticed Alex’s legs. I accidently deleted the episode so I can’t relook now that my head is a bit clearer.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I didn’t notice Jill saying anything to Kelly before she said something to Alex. Now I am not a pervert but Jill and Bethenny were showing off their panties as well! When you are going to an event that requires you to sit – wear a skirt or dress long enough to allow you to do so ladies!

  153. WindyCityWondering says:

    Wondering why Andy allows Kelly to go crazy at the reunion but won’t allow BRAS to share their experiences from the vacation? It is apparent that they are all still shell shocked from the ordeal, Kelly and Ramona looked ill last night. Do you think contractually they are not allowed to say anything? Maybe after the reunion?

    • desertgal66 says:

      I think they are all contractually obligated not to discuss anything until after the final part of the reunion and the ‘unseen footage’ show is broadcast. At least, that’s the way it’s seemed to work in previous years.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        You mean eveyone except Kelly? Her systematic bullying cover story isn’t working…..

    • moriasheehan says:

      WCW, i am wondering if we will EVAH know what happened. one thing i am sure of, if someone does find out, we will read it here. thanks again, Lynn

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Bethenny is coming closest to telling it like it happened – she looked ill and she got really short too. Ramona can’t talk to Kelly without being exasperated – Andy telling her she looked like she was bullying Kelly was cruel but I understand that he had no control over Kelly (well she had no control over herself). Kelly really needs to be removed from the show!

    • ShelleyT says:

      I am sure Bravo is waiting for a special “Lost Footage” tape to show the complete flipping-out. They are holding it back intentionally. All the ladies said it was 1000 times worse than shown. You know it’s Tv gold.

  154. desertgal66 says:

    Squirrels says:
    Unfortunately, from what one of the women said, they did not tape the stuff that happened after the we need to cool it discussion.

    Ramona said, on WWH last night, that she asked the cameras be turned off when they all called Jill, along with Ramona calling someone close to Kelly, and a psychiatrist Ramona knew in New York. The gist of what they have all said is that the cameras were turned off after the dinner party ended, so the second half of her breakdown wasn’t captured.

    But, whether there was additional footage shot of Kelly’s out of whack behavior during the days preceding her departure from St. John remains to be seen.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      At this point I am not interested in seeing Kelly out of control – I am interested in what it’s effect has been on the other women. The fact that there is no change in Kelly’s behavior since the trip means whatever went wrong is still wrong and those women have all admitted they were scared! Not cool.

  155. little rock says:

    SO off topic, but i’m watching kathy g’s my life on the D list and kathy just got in a cute little dig on the housewives. Can’t wait til thursday, unless she LIKES jill, then wwhl will suck.

    • moriasheehan says:

      kathy will tell it like it is

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kathy doesn’t like Jill, who happened into a scene she was filming with Paris Hilton as her BFF. Jill looked really nice (not much make up and no hooker hair) – but Kathy and Paris so didn’t want to talk to her and Jill just wouldn’t go away! Kathy is going to ripping/shredding and having fun at the wives.

      • kokuanani says:

        My recollection is that Jill also attempted to promote “Zarin Fabrics” during this unwelcome encounter.

      • Squirrels says:

        I saw that episode for the first time. So glad you brought it up. It was friggin’ hilarious.

        The shopping scene:
        “At one point she (Jill) threatened to go with us.” (for more shopping)

  156. sbh says:

    Oh my God, I am actually caught up to the present. This is the first time in my housewives blogging history. Not a reply, but my own actual, stand alone comment! I’m sorry, I must clarify, I don’t read the end of books first and I read all the blogs before I let myself blog something brand new–which hasn’t happened until tonight. So after weeks of watching and reading the blogs, where all my comments are usually two days behind (which no one reads but I leave them anyway), I finally have my own. I am savoring the moment. It did come with some sacrifice, though, I will not lie–I skipped my class, bailed on a friend for lunch and in general ignored my telephone, but hey, you got to do what you got to do. Eyes on the prize.
    I’m so giddy with power I don’t know what to write first. Okay here goes.

    Title: Luann kissed some ugly thing, Jill says lots of stupid things, and Kelly IS one big stupid thing.

    Jill says:
    “While I certainly am sorry about many things, what did I do that was so gregious that these women just do not have in their hearts to forgive?”

    Well that’s just it, that comment says it all. Jill doesn’t think what she did was such a big deal. In her mind, everyone is holding a grudge against her and making more out of all of it than it actually was–what did she do anyway? A few not so nice digs that she really didn’t mean maybe, but that’s all.

    Well Jill, let me answer your question for you. A friend not being there for you in an hour of need, that sucks and hurts big time (which turns out wasn’t even true, but whatever), a friend (excuse me, acquaintance? co-worker? non-friend? person I plan to destroy with every ounce of blood I have left in my body?) yelling at you and embarrassing you in public, that is very painful. But it is forgivable. Your unjustified actions, however? The all out ATTACK , and the calculated way you ‘executed’ your plan of invasion against Poland–I mean Bethenny–you are now repeating and doing to Alex right in front of our very eyes–so yeah, that is pretty bad. And even, dare I say, unforgivable.

    Jill isn’t getting it, therefore she isn’t feeling real remorse, and therefore isn’t being forgiven by us.

    Bethenny may have been over the whole ‘nailing’ Jill to the wall thing, but I don’t think the viewers are. All Jill’s apologies and she misses the biggest ones. She lied to us, the viewers, and really manipulated us–a lot of us are just people who used to really like her. She owes us an apology too.

    Also, did she cheat on Bobby? I read this a couple of blogs ago but I was so far behind that I couldn’t ask for info on this.

    I agree with Lynn (and I gave you full stars for a great blog), the four women should have let Kelly speak, it isn’t like she is going to say anything that will convince anyone she is sane–on the contrary, it would just have proven the point more. And how come no one asked what the hell ‘satchels of gold’ means? Does anyone know FOR SURE what she was referring to and why she said it then (not just guessing)?

    Also, I did not like the recap of the island, they left out some really important stuff–Kelly calling them all creepy, not normal people, saying Bethenny ‘literally’ had knives on her tongue, her saying that Bethenny was ‘literally’ trying to kill her, and they missed the ACCUSATION part of “you’re not a chef”. And of course, the priceless scene of Kelly running down the hallway laughing, looking and sounding like Frankenstein (who is for some inexplicable reason wearing a dirty mop on his head) in his first foray with fire.

    There is just No making Kelly happy:
    If you recall, on the island, when Bethenny makes the salsa or whatever, Kelly asks, “you made these? yourself?” and Bethenny is like “yeeeess, so?”, Kelly insinuates that chefs don’t usually do the cooking (I think she thinks a real chef goes around screaming at all the people in a kitchen telling them what to do). But now, during the reunion, when they discuss a sue chef, now Bethenny isn’t a chef because she didn’t do the prep work herself. Along that logic, is Gil not a real photographer if he has help setting up the lighting? Is a mother not a mother if she has a nanny? Is she not a model if someone else does her hair and makeup. I mean, what the F?

    Now, for something I said in an earlier blog but I think needs repeating:

    All of Kelly’s sh#$ about ‘real life’, ‘real feelings’, etc. and how this show isn’t real life, or really her, or something crazy like that: So I say, “Lady, yes you have your home life, but that doesn’t make what happens at your job fake. Yes, I act differently at work, and yes my home friends are different than my work friends, but that doesn’t make it less ‘real’ or relations with co-workers less important.” Maybe if she took her job more seriously, she wouldn’t be so snarky to her boss on live tv, a not so smart move in a bunch of already major dumb ones. Kelly, you may be someone who thinks you are ‘playing pretend’ all day, but someone like Bethenny, whose life and job are very much part and parcel with this series, cannot afford the same views, so F#$K off. Take your candy and go home, no one wants to play with you anymore.

    Sonja, I adore her. When she says, “Well, I’m very vain” as a serious answer to a question, I died laughing. Well, okay then. Moving along…I just thinks she’s awesome.

    I’m not impressed with LuAnn and what people say is ‘doing the right thing’ when she tries to get Kelly to speak coherently and admit to instigating things on the island. What is she a Kelly-linguist now? That woman is flopping around trying to figure out which ship (or “team”) will take her to highest ground, too afraid to stick with one of them for too long in case it is the wrong one–which it ended up being. Her jumping ship when it is going down is cowardly and disgusting. At least Kelly has a viewpoint, she stands up for what she believes in (gotta respect that, even if what she believes in is bonkers). LuAnn’s crass attempts to float with whatever doo-doo is highest just pisses me off.

    Okay, I don’t want the power of my first stand alone blog to go to my head and turn me into a fame whore Jillzilla. I’ve warned my friends, if they catch me shopping with a Spears or Lohan Parental Unit, they are to shoot me up with tranqs and ship me off to a de-culting camp in an undisclosed local immediately (and if it looks anything like that place in the VI, they can leave me there indefinitely). No worries, my pals are on the case…I’m their new hobby.

    That was fun.
    Bye all.

  157. ramonacoaster says:

    According to this article, some of the housewives pay to get themselves good press. Gee, I wonder which one (Jill) does that. Poor Bawby! That’s a lot of wasted dough. At least some media people are going to be making money in this economy.
    Sorry if this was posted before.

  158. Roslyn G says:

    I have not read this blog in awhile so I apologize if this has already been commited on.

    Did anyone else notice that on part 1 of the reunion show that when Jill crossed her legs it looked like there was a price tag on the bottom of her shoe? I was just wondering if she was planning on taking them back to Sak’s after the show.

    • BamaBelle says:


      It has been discussed. Some think Jill may return them. Others say she put the tape there so she wouldn’t slip. Others think the tape could be because of the hand-painted red soles that may or may not rub off on the floor. And others say Jill got them at TJ Maxx or a once-worn by models Outlet Store.

      I don’t know why it’s there, but I did see it… LOL!

      • Roslyn G says:

        I love this, I am going with the idea that she bought them at TJ Max and painted them red.

  159. Barb says:

    Hey guys,
    There was a post earlier where someone commented that she would possiby be in Ally Zarins class over the summer…. Well the trolls took that to the Zarin make something out of nothing losers and now AZ twittered that there will be someone in her class to get info on her mom! Can you believe that?

  160. LosingtheRunofMyself says:

    I think it is interesting that Kelly expressed such distaste for the labels “victim” and “survivor” when she was on the yatch with Sonja and Bethenny, but is more than happy to apply the victim label to herself now regarding the systematic bullying.

  161. SunshineNYC says:

    I think the ladies (Bethenny, Alex, Ramona) handled themselves w/Kelly pretty well considering ALL they went through with this lunatic. We have to remember that they said it was 1000x worse than what we saw. From what I saw alone, I was cursing at the tv telling Kelly she’s a psycho and a liar! These are real people, with real feelings and I certainly didn’t expect them to keep so calm and maintain 1 at a time order when this loon is playing victim, blaming all of them for bullying and totally distorting reality.

  162. LadeyDiana says:

    Hi everyone. Has this been posted already? An interesting take on Bethenny and Jill on Part II of the Reunion!!!http://www.jewishjournal.com/keepingthefaith/item/real_housewives_of_new_york_city_reunion_part_2_is_attack_mode/

  163. Checkout this cameo of Jill Zarin on “Kathy Griffin’s: My Life on the D List” Season 5. It’s classic Jill vying for Paris Hilton’s love and affection when she ran into Paris and Kathy Griffin, while shopping in L.A. on Robertson Blvd. It’s CLASSIC Jill (when I actually liked her)! Kathy makes major digs (though her style as a comic) and she’s co-hosting WWHN with Andy on Thurs after part 3, so it’s a perfect time to revisit this. .

  164. error 404 says:

    Love Ramona!

    Jill: “I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong!”

    Ramona: “I know you were.”


  165. error 404 says:

    Love Bethenny!

    Jill: ” I texted you that I would come to CA for you if you wanted me to! Didn’t I?”

    Bethenny: “you sent flowers and sent a text, I don’t have a tape..”


  166. jennifer says:

    Celebrity networdth is wrong. JLD is NOT and heirres

    NEW YORK, June 1 (UPI) — U.S. actress Julia Louis-Dreyfus apparently was as surprised as anyone to find out she reportedly is a billionaire heiress.

    Forbes magazine said in a May 15 article that Dreyfus’ father, William Louis-Dreyfus, is worth $3.4 billion, which was good enough to place the star of “The New Adventures of Old Christine” fourth on its list of hottest billionaires.

    But the former “Seinfeld” star begs to differ.

    “It’s not true, actually,” she told “Access Hollywood” Friday. “Forbes made a mistake and I won’t be on the list anymore.

    “I wish I was a billionaire, but I’m really not.”


  167. nina parker says:

    The thing that really showed what a a nasty bottom-dweller JZ is, was her deliberately manipulating us about B’s reaction to Bobby’s cancer.
    I could not believe that she finally admitted that B had *not known* he had cancer! She berated her on speakerphone on camera, making her look like a totally unsupportive friend (my mailman sent flowers!)- plucking every emotional string about ‘the man who put a roof over your head’.
    Then we see that Bethenny , even though they weren’t speaking at the time, called and sent flowers for what she had been told was a simple procedure. That is what a reeeally good friend does. I’m a pretty good friend but I’m not sure I’d send flowers for my friend’s husband’s procedure. But you can bet your life I’d show up if it were cancer, and so would Bethenny, no doubt!
    She made *such* a big deal of it. In fact, the only thing I think any viewer could relate to about why she had any sort of a beef with B was probably that.
    Then we find it’s not even true.
    Sorry, but that’s more than just not behaving well or ‘holding a grudge’. It’s nasty, manipulative, ugly behavior and one is right to be very afraid of a ‘friend’ who is capable of that.

  168. margjoc says:

    I am so sick of Kelly talking about bullying. There are kids who are literally bullied so much they actually end their life and she compares her experiences to theirs? Get over yourself. Obviously these women are not always the most polite but Kelly instigated a lot of the flack. I think its ridiculous how immature and vain she is. She is the most fake “charitable” person. Next project: I hate Kelly blog?

  169. Poor Gilles...check out the first sentence, third paragraph says:

    Gilles Bensimon is a top fashion photographer and the International Creative Director of ELLE magazine. He has also been the photographer on the reality television series America’s Next Top Model. [1]

    Born in Paris, France in 1944, he joined the French ELLE in 1967, where he met his first wife Pascha. When the American ELLE was launched in 1985, Bensimon was invited to join it. Here he photographed many well-known models, including Christy Turlington, Claudia Schiffer, Lisa Snowdon, Cindy Crawford, Naomi Campbell, Tyra Banks, Rachel Williams, Honor Fraser, Yasmin Le Bon and Beverly Peele. In 1985 he also met his second wife, Australian supermodel Elle Macpherson, but they divorced in 1989. In 1999, he became the director of the American ELLE.

    He has one child with Pascha, and two daughters, Sea and Thaddeus “Teddy”, with his third wife, well known whackadoo Kelly Killoren Bensimon who is on the reality show The Real Housewives of New York City. The couple is now divorced. Since that time, Bensimon has been linked to several fashion models including Estella Alt,[citation needed] and recently art historian Diana Widmaier-Picasso, granddaughter of Pablo Picasso.

  170. SallySea says:

    Kelly’s Bravo Blog from May 11, 2010:

    Kelly Killoren Bensimon
    Learn From Me
    Kelly is left speechless after an emotional episode. 1 of 1 pagesThe Real Housewives of New York City
    Kelly Killoren Bensimon

    Always follow your instincts.

    I knew I should have never gone on the trip.

    I am incredibly embarrassed by how I acted.

    To find out what I am currently up to, please follow me @kikilet or kellykillorenbensimon.com/blog

    So what is it? Systematic bullying or she’s embarrassed by the way she acted? Seems to me that Kelly hired the PR team of Zarin and DeLesseps.

  171. EmmaJames says:

    Kookookelly just tweeted she never takes anything the housewifes says on camera seriously…..yet she thought it was necessary to do a public announcement regarding bullying.

    Cannot wait until Kathy Griffin!

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