I Hate Jill Zarin Bethenny’s Getting Married? June 18, 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin                   Bethenny’s Getting Married? – The In Laws Visit                 June 18, 2010

Before we get into BGM? I wanted to talk about Jill Zarin’s secret blog.  Jill indicated last night after the final reunion episode aired that she was releasing a blog only to fans who registered on her site.   I was sent Jill’s blog early this morning from someone who did register to get the letter.  I posted it immediately early this morning.  A few hours later, Jill clearly realized that the blog was out there and that she wasn’t going to be able to keep it secret from anyone.  She realized that there was nothing “sacred” about her stupid blog, and that is when she posted it on Bravotv.com. 

Jill sensors her comments on her blog so closely that she is continually saying that is it “down” when the site comes back up, there are all new glowing positive comments for Jill along with her little responses.  The site isn’t “going down”, it is being taken down in order to sift through and add all of the new comments that make it appear as though everybody loves Jill Zarin.  It is astounding to me how many people are buying into her bullshit and remain fans of Jill Zarin!  But it dawned on me that I’ve said several time that Jill thinks her fans are stupid.  If the shoe fits….

Sorry to all those Jill fans out there but I get why Jill thinks you’re all stupid, she continually shovels crap full of lies and you’re all buying it hook, line and sinker.  So I guess you could say that Jill is right, her fans are not all that bright! 

On to Bethenny’s Getting Married?  (btw, I hate the name of the show, they could do better)

I’m really enjoying the stark contract of Bethenny’s show to the nightmare that is the Real Housewives of New York.   Of all of the housewives in all of the cities, Bethenny is the one that can definitely carry an entire hour, particularly with everything that was going on in her life during the filming of the show. 

I have to give her huge kudos for putting everything on television.  Maybe she is hiding some things but it certainly appears as though we’re seeing her life, such as it is.  I think she’s got a fascinating life and with her wit and personality it is genuinely entertaining!  Her supporting players are also perfect for the show.  Luckily for Bethenny, Jason is natural on camera, he doesn’t appear to be acting or changing himself for the cameras.  He seems like a really great guy!  I also love her new assistant, Max and it is really nice to see that Bethenny’s first assistant that we saw filmed months ago on RHONY in the scene where Bethenny found out that her pregnancy had hit the internet,  is still with her. 

The crazy wedding planner seems like he is trying really hard but I was really surprised to continually hear him shooting down Bethenny’s wishes for her wedding.  He tried to bullshit Bethenny into thinking he had been to a function at the Four Seasons with the cotton candy thing, apparently this guy doesn’t know Bethenny, she’s sharp as a tack and there is no way this guy is going to get away with anything! 

Jason’s parents seem so sweet, normal and down to earth!  I sincerely hope that this family will become Bethenny’s family and she’ll never feel alone again.  It was so cute how she hosted this cute couple without Jason there, I’m sure it gave her an opportunity to get to know them better.  I can only imagine the stress of having to cook for people when you have the title of “chef”.  It is probably pretty demanding.  Bethenny just seems to roll with the punches. 

I enjoyed watching the genuine excitement that Jason’s mom, Carol showed while shopping for wedding gowns with Bethenny.  Many women dream of the day that they help with their own daughter’s wedding so for someone who only has a son, and a son who passed away, this must have been an unexpected thrill.  She was clearly so touched that Bethenny included her in the daunting task of finding a dress. 

I think Bethenny has lost her mind walking around the store registering for her wedding gifts in 6 inch heels.  I had to laugh when Bethenny fell into a fit of laughter in the store and the story that she and Jason came up with about “the people” visiting them and having dinner.   I love that Jason and Bethenny enjoy each other’s company and you can see that they love being together. 

Another clue that this wedding planner has got his head up his ass was bringing Bethenny to the vanilla box that was as far away from what she asked for as you can get.  What the hell was he thinking?

I didn’t really understand why this group of Jewish women hired a Natural Foods Chef to talk to them at a gathering but what the hell?  I guess if they’re paying her fee, she’s going to do it.  Poor Max, he really got thrown into the lion’s den.  He told Bethenny during his interview that he would be great at anticipating her needs before she even knew she needed something.  Oops, maybe having a car waiting outside would be a good idea as Bethenny walked outside into the cold after her appearance.  The good news is I bet he never makes that mistake again, although Bethenny handled it pretty well. 

The show really is packed with a lot!  In this episode we saw a lot of Bethenny’s life, she’s not hiding anything, and even her therapy is highlighted where she talks about growing up and her horrible relationships with her parents.  I admit you probably have to be a fan of Bethenny’s in order to enjoy the show, it is all her!  As most of you know, I’m a huge Bethenny fan!  She’s the kind of person you root for, you want her to do well, you want her to get what she wants, and you want her to win!  Her humor is intelligent and I find myself smiling throughout the show, this is what television should be, entertaining! 

One more Real Housewives of New York “lost footage” episode to come on Thursday night.  Bethenny’s show will be running for several more weeks and there are plenty of other Bravo and non-Bravo shows to discuss.  I will blog randomly about different shows but as always, please feel free to comment and discuss anything or any show you like! 

Until next time…………….


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583 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Bethenny’s Getting Married? June 18, 2010

  1. cusi77 says:

    Thank you Lynn. Thank you a hundred times!

    This is a great place to gather!

  2. TLM says:

    Why do you find it odd that JCC women would have B come and speak? She’s half Jewish, and a woman, and a successful businessperson. Why is that such an odd choice for a speaker? I think B was off in assuming none of them cook. At the very least, all women are preoccupied with diet & weight and would have an interest in her books. As a Jewish woman myself, I thought she was a good choice for a speaker.

    I was confused about the “secret” blog posted here from JZ, since I had already read on Bravo…thanks for explaining. However, I don’t know why JZ needs to disable her website for comment censorship. Don’t most blogs with comments say “your comment is awaiting moderation”? I assume that comments sit in a place where only the site admin can see them and not anyone else until they are approved to go on the site?

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I wasn’t confused by the choice of B as a speaker because of her background, I guess I just thought a large group of women of all different age groups may choose someone who is an attorney or an executive rather than a chef and cookbook author. I guess it depends on the theme of the gathering. The hostess was clearly a fan but many of the others looked bored by B’s speech. Maybe that was Bravo’s editing too…

      I was also curious as to whether the women were fans of RHONY or fans of her books and if some of them were even aware of who she was.

    • Icey says:

      I think that right after a show, the negative comments are coming to Jill’s site so fast a furious that she can’t delete them all without people catching wind of what she’s doing.

      And btw, if you look at responses to her blog on Bravo’s site, it looks like she must have gotten them to agree to only post positive comments before she’d agree to ‘write’ another blog post. There is no way those comments are a representative sampling. There were a number of weeks when she submitted nothing, so there must have been some agreement made for her to start posting again.

      • Just to see what would happen, I posted a negative comment early yesterday and so far it hasn’t shown up. Maybe now I’ll be part of the exclusive group that gets blocked by her. I’ll be in good company.

    • Hi, I'm a Jew, and sorry, but there is no such thing as "half Jewish" says:

      Sorry, this sort of thing makes me fucknuts, so forgive my rant. Being Jewish is carried completely from the mothers side. If your mother is from Jewish descent, even a little, boom, you are considered “100” percent Jewish. If your father is from a Jewish family via his father, yet your mother is not (I’m not even going to delve into conversion issues here, as the rules are too intricate) insert buzzer noise here, you are not considered Jewish. You would have to convert, and even that can be looked down upon considering your particular affiliation. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but them’s the “rules”. Might be why Jill is so freaked out about Ally marrying a non-Jew. Who knows with that cow?

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        I am Jewish as well and Bethenny’s mother converted to Judaism prior to her birth when she married Bobby Frankel. Bethenny was raised as a Jew and she is Jewish. Now, that says she is not a Jew well she is non-religious Jew, but she is a Jew. If she went to any Islamic country she will realize it.

        • Noelle says:

          I beg to differ. My Father was an Irish-catholic and my Mother is an Israeli-jew. My parents’ were happily married for 54 years, till my dad passed. I have 7 brothers and 1 sister, including me = 9 children.

          We are all successful within our own right, not by religion. We were all brought up to accept and embrace our heritage.

          IMO the proof is in the pudding! (Also ode to Sonja!! ;D )

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I’m curious as to where the information on her parents religion surfaced, I have never seen anything about it but it’s been something I have been curious about.

          I’ve obviously seen B refer to Jill as being Jewish but never herself.

          I’m wondering what religion Bryn will be raised in (if any) since Jason’s family seem to be practicing Catholics.

          • Noelle says:

            Bethenny has stated that her mother converted to Judiasm to marry her father.

            He was devout in his beliefs.

        • Quincy IL says:

          I think you are making a negative comment against Muslims here. My husband is a Shiite Muslim and he has Iranian Jewish friends. Try not to start a war that you can’t win.

      • Question says:

        I’ve heard this as well. Did this originate culturally or derived from the Old Testament? I ask because I had the impression that the lineage in the Old Testament goes by the father.

        Here’s a random example and there are plenty in the OT.

        “These are the names of the men who are to assist you:
        from Reuben, Elizur son of Shedeur;
        from Simeon, Shelumiel son of Zurishaddai;
        from Judah, Nahshon son of Amminadab; from Issachar, Nethanel son of Zuar;
        from Zebulun, Eliab son of Helon;
        from the sons of Joseph:
        from Ephraim, Elishama son of Ammihud;
        from Manasseh, Gamaliel son of Pedahzur;
        from Benjamin, Abidan son of Gideoni;
        from Dan, Ahiezer son of Ammishaddai;
        from Asher, Pagiel son of Ocran;
        from Gad, Eliasaph son of Deuel;
        from Naphtali, Ahira son of Enan.”
        These were the men appointed from the community, the leaders of their ancestral tribes. They were the heads of the clans of Israel.

        • Noelle says:

          Asshole much!?!

          This was a nice dialogue until you stuck you ass in to stir the pot!!!

          Wow LOSER, feel better. Peace to you.

        • felony stupid says:

          Raised in a Conservative Jewish home, it is my understanding that back in the days before Maury & DNA tests one could only confirm the identity of the maternal parent (saw her pregnant, witnessed the birth) – not so much for the paternal side. That being the case, by Jewish Law if your mother is Jewish you are Jewish, if only your father is Jewish you are not Jewish.

          Of course, there are affliations who would argue that I am not Jewish or “Jewish enough” – so it is what it is. What do I know? I spend my time dissecting reality shows. 🙂

          Love you Lynn! xoxo

  3. Brooke Carlton says:

    Hey Lynn, this is ItsMeBusyBee from Twitter 😉

    Anyways, I agree with you on all points of BGM?. The title is really stupid, especially if they want to leave the possibility open of doing more than one season. Even if they don’t, the name is still stupid, and it isn’t even “Bethenny’s”, its just Bethenny. Bethenny Getting Married? It’s dumb.

    I think one of my favorite parts of this last episode was when Bethenny asked if Jason wanted the fictional “people” that are having dinner at their house to stay for coffee, and Jason said it was up to B, he was just glad they were able to come LOL. They are super cute together, Jason completely rolls with B’s punches, and knows how to handle her type of personality..

    I also loved the scene when every time Cookie barked, Bethenny whipped around and started walking away muttering “I don’t know you” lol.

    Its a great show, and the *opposite* of RHONY which was very bitter and dark this season. Really fun stuff, Bravo!

    • SNMemphis says:

      I have to say that I rarely find myself laughing out loud during a television show, but I found myself doing just that when Beth was trying to train her ten year old dog (like training Betty White) and when Jason stood on the coffee cup. I could see that one coming:))

      • Adgirl says:

        When I worked at a department store we would offer the Lenox plate upside down for people to stand on – not the coffee cup!!

        • Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:

          I saw that one coming a mile away…of course the handle broke off, it’s the weakest part of the cup since it’s molded onto the cup & not a part of it. The rest of the cup was intact, though. And as for the plate thing, well science helps you out there, much like it does when karate students break boards. If you look, you’ll notice they’re always flipping the boards around, making sure the grain is going the right way & making it much easier to break with a fist, hand, or foot.

      • Scorpiosue says:

        I completely laughed out loud with a snort when Max said, “Do people from your generation grind?” Oh my!!! That was hilarious. Bethenny was just awesome.

        The show makes me laugh, smile and cry a bit. Jason’s mom and dad were so sweet. I think this is the perfect family for Bethenny.

    • I agree about Bethenny’s show too. Episode 2 was great! So different than watching RHONY and I was so happy there was no Jill and Kelly!

      I think Bethenny could definitely carry a whole hour show by herself (and her family and crew), so Bravo should pick it up as a regular show. It’s ten times better than what the housewife shows have evolved to.

  4. Delia says:

    I am really liking this show and am beginning to think that maybe Bethenny should NOT return to RHONY. BGM setting is so much more her. People that love her and she loves. She is free to be humorous without having to worry about that group of women who are just LOOKING for reasons to pick fights with the ONE MAIN STAR OF THE SHOW!!! BETHENNY!!!!!

    • Kokuanani says:

      I keep arguing that BGM ought to “morph” into a “Bethenny’s Life” brand. [My constant suggestion for the title: “Having It All?” or some form thereof.]

      Then the “good housewives [Sonja, Alex and Ramona] migrate over there, leaving just the Bitch Couch members on the original RH.

      Wonder what sort of numbers THAT would pull in?

  5. RileyKitty says:

    I loved this show. I like Jason & Bethenny together. I thought his parents were great. I laughed my ass off when Max asked if your generation grinds.

  6. cusi77 says:

    I was so touched when Bethenny was wearing her wedding gown and veil… It remind me when I got the honor to go with my daughter-in-law and her mother to buy her wedding dress… Last night episode put a big smile in my face as well, Lynn…

  7. LynnNChicago says:

    Has anyone read this? Lisa Wexler POV (point of view) page, she talks about Jill but then goes on to talk about an “older”sister and WOW does she slam her…I didn’t even know that they had an older sister. Are there any other siblings? Does anyone else think that maybe Lisa would be better to just not mention the other sister?


    • Need a Hobby says:

      Lynn: There is no older sister and that’s not Lisa’s comment. Whoever posted the article on Lisa’s site did a sloppy cut and paste of Lisa’s The Daily Beast article and managed to include one of the comments from The Daily Beast. Click on the name after the article and you find yourself at the Daily Beast and the commenter’s other posts.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        whew ok thanks, Lisa should fix that because it really looks like she said that. Thanks Need!!!

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Correction….not The Daily Beast but the Wowowhatever website.

        Lisa’s article had previously appeared elsewhere before being posted on Lisa’s website.

        • Adgirl says:

          damnit. I liked it when we thought there was an older sister who comforts herself by sucking her fingers and twirling her hair.

    • error 404 says:

      that’s not Lisa, but a commenter.

    • vilzvet says:

      Yeah really! This woman wrote a book about family relationships?? TMI and nasty stuff. Lisa also needs to spellcheck her columns.

    • Kokuanani says:

      Boy, Lisa Wexler is homely as a stick.

      Jill is ugly both inside and out, and clearly has applied her Megabucks in an attempt to pretty herself up, but Lisa is just homely.

      And if I had to look at Gloria as a prediction of what I’d look like in 30 years . . . shudder!!

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        Lisa is not there for her looks. She is an intelligent and incredibly accomplished attorney. Undergrad John Hopkins and JD NY, as well as, Order of the Coif. So, she is not pretty, that never made one a good attorney or a great CEO, just take a look at the former head of Hewlet Packard Carly Fiorina. Carly may have been homely, but she was the highest paid female CEO of all times.

        Lisa does some pro bono now and is a family and political commentator. She doesn’t need to be pretty and if pretty were the entree to intelligence, then Kelly would be the most intelligent housewife in all the series because no one become the face of Clarins without being uber-beautiful.

  8. MickeyMouth says:

    I don’t think I’m as big a Bethenny fan as Lynn or some others on this blog. This season of RHONY she was the one to root for (Alex too) because well Jill and Kelly made it so simple. Nevertheless, I am watching BGM and so far so good. I’m glad you are blogging it 🙂

  9. Noreen54321 says:

    How bizarre is it that Bethenny had a segment with Cookie and the puppy therapist and Kelly post’s You tube video today with her dogs and a trainer. Can anyone say Single White Female?

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Kelly continually copies everything Bethenny does…it is really spooky! If I were Bethenny, I’d have extra security at all times.

      • Kokuanani says:

        She also needs that extra security to protect her from Jill jumping out of the bushes to . . . “surprise” . . . her [with an extravagant present and camera crew].

        I hope Bethenny’s security folks are heavily armed.

    • Adgirl says:

      Maybe when Bethenny has to pee in the bucket Kelly will make a youtube instructional video.

      • Sweet Caroline says:

        LMAO, that would be a gift from baby Jesus for Bethenny to laugh at. I am sure that Kuku will find a way to copy that somehow. It will be fabulous I am sure.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Kelly will have “pee buckets” in the barn, etc so people don’t have to run to the house – guess the fact that having to use the toilet in a hugh wedding dress is lost on her! Bet the countASS cringed as well.

  10. Adgirl says:

    HAHA – I didn’t know KooKoo, err, Kelly, is 56 years old and Lisa and Jill’s older sister!!!
    from http://www.lisawexler.com

    “She’s so self centered and absorbed in her own twisted life she’s got no idea what’s going on around her. She is 56 and (no lie) she sucks her two middle fingers and twist her hair to calm down or when she’s watching TV, bizarre.”

  11. Olivia says:

    Bethenny is really trying to be as normal as she hopes to be; this is what makes her endearing.

    She comes from a dysfuntional background and has guarded herself pretty much throughout her life and now finds herself married to a normal man in that he enjoys people and she does not, he likes to have people around him and she resists, and he seems to be able to roll with her eccentricities as of now. He is normal and she is carrying tons of baggage so this ride should be interesting!

    What I like about her is that she never seems to be putting on a false front. How many of these so called “stars” would be willing to advise the audience that they do not like spending much time with other people? None to be sure. Bethenny has had to make her own way pretty much her whole life and she has developed a shield of protection that is evident by a sharp wit.

    Another habit I like about Bethenny, providing she does not go to far with it, is that she does not “suffer fools gladly”. People who want to waste her time are not welcome in her world. But what she has to learn is that having a child is going to press her “patience reserves” because they are unpredictable and often can drive you nuts! Jason appears to be well equipped in the patience department and she lucked out there. He may prove to be another Simon in that respect.

    I speak from experience!!

  12. Olivia says:

    Bethenny dancing with Max with no music was hilarious. She was looking over the top of his head and it cracked me up.

    Jason’s parents seem like a wonderful couple and the Mom acts like she does get Bethenny which is helpful.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      And very good sports – being on camera with a total stranger – like Jason, good people! Bethenny is lucky to have in-laws like this because becoming part of a family is daunting enough.

  13. Katiecoo says:

    Hi! Will come back later and read/post but wanted to carry this hilarious post thanks to shadowsnomore over to this blog so no one misses it….hilarious !(and I think I know gothamtomato from a Project Runway blog and she’s a total HOOT..and smart):

    shadowsnomore says:
    June 18, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Here is the TV GUIDE 20 things Learned from RHONY-
    Not sure why some can’t see responses so I copied all to here.

    Friday, June 18, 2010
    Last updated 7:51 a.m. PT
    Watercooler: 20 Things We Learned From The Real Housewives of New York City

    Now that The Real Housewives of New York City’s three-part reunion smackdown is done, we’d like to take this time to reflect on the lessons learned — for they were many. As for how many are actually useful, well, good luck with that.

    1. Hate is part of the ecosystem on Kelly Bensimon’s planet.

    2. Systematic bullying is never OK. Nor are incoherent YouTube videos.

    3. Gummi Bears are narcotics.

    4. But they aren’t a processed food. Again, on Kelly’s planet.

    5. Ramona Singer is “a little bit” psychic.

    6. Sonja Morgan is made of awesome.

    7. Women in their 80s shouldn’t wear ice-skating outfits.

    8. Or crash island getaways.

    9. Brooklyn has a Fashion Weekend.

    10. A chef is a cook.

    11. Gotham magazine will hire anyone.

    12. Making lemonade out of lemons is hard.

    13. Alex McCord is a better woman when Simon is off-camera.

    14. Bethenny Frankel has no poker face.

    15. Andy Cohen has the patience of a saint and the skills of a lion tamer.

    16. A monogrammed gift bag is a sure sign that someone is trying to kill you.

    17. “Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about,” is music-producer speak for “we’ll just Auto-Tune away that soul-killing sound that keeps coming out of your face.”

    18. Posing nude is a good way to teach your children…something. Possibly shame.

    19. Jennifer Gilbert is either too sane or too dull to be a real Real housewife.

    And finally…

    20. Money can’t buy you class.

    Did we miss anything? Please, add your own RHONY life lessons below!


    GothamTomato: Fri, Jun 18 2010 at 11:54 AM EDT

    21. Wearing fur is the humane way to help animals. It would be cruel to expect the poor animals to wear all that fur themselves. It interferes with their cartwheels. Peta agrees with this.

    22. When you tell someone to get a new hobby, you should always specify that the new hobby should NOT be posting to Amazon under fake names.

    23. When you try to ice people out of your social circle, (or your tv show), you should first make sure they aren’t the most popular people in your social circle because it will only come back to bite you in the ass.

    24. Don’t behave like a hateful, dishonest shrew when you’re about to start shilling your new advice book that’s supposed to be about the wisdom you & your sister got from your mother.

    25. Being the 4th wife of a bigot is OK: Money may not buy you class, but it will buy you a title-seeking gold digger who’ll overlook such details.

    ksider: Fri, Jun 18 2010 at 12:26 PM EDT

    26. It’s ok to call yourself a supermodel, even though no one has ever heard of you and you’ve never been on the cover of a legitimate fashion magazine. If you believe it then everyone else will.

    27. Dynasty dresses never go out of style.

    28. When in doubt about what the conversation is about, just say “satchels of gold”.

    29. Al Sharpton coined the phrase “you can’t handle the truth”.

    30. A**holes, everybody has one.

    31. Horses love burnt pancakes. PETA said so.

    32. Teddy Bensimon needs her own Bravo show or at least a book deal featuring all those notes.

    33. At Columbia they teach that, in ,the messenger always gets killed. Because that’s not fiction. So clearly they were supposed to kill Alex.

    and finally:

    Surgeon General’s Warning: Listening to Kelly Bensimon causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, Cerebral Hemmorhage, Aneurysm, and may complicate normal thought.

    bobby-j: Fri, Jun 18 2010 at 7:02 PM EDT

    35. Marrying/dating European men, speaking in a foreign language and adding “darling” to every sentence does not make you sound sophisticated. It makes you sound like a dumb drag queen.

    36. After spending weeks maligning the character of your former BFF just make her some latkes, throw in some crocodile tears and pretend that you’ve changed.

    37. No matter what the clock says, you never turn down “Tuuuuuurrrrrrtle Tiiiiimmmmeee!!!”

    38. When you disagree with a statement made by a woman you dislike, feel free to call her a hoebag. Just ignore the fact that her father just died.

    39. When you’re trapped on Scary Island with a bunch of bullies suggest an impromptu photo shoot.

    40. When you’re on your second marriage or currently divorced, you’re allowed to make snarky comments about the insignificance of 18 years of marriage.

    41. If you’re a chef/cook, never talk about what you do. It’s creepy.

    • Jennifer says:


      • Sweet Caroline says:

        LOL, Personal favorites – #16, 23, 25 and 37. Never say no to Turtle Time, ever!!!

        42. Nothing says you are a Conservative, highly moral, very private and shy woman with lots of integrity like posing nude for Playboy. Just don’t spread eagle.

        • 43. The surest way to “systematically bully” someone is to accuse a person of doing it to you (preferably someone you have an agenda against), then continue the “bullying” accusations whenever they attempt to defend themselves. Don’t ever give in. This will make them start to question their own actions, and turn otherwise sane people against them.

          44. When in a social setting with four intelligent, successful, opinionated, all around dynamic women:

          A. Say things like: “you’re a ho-bag”, “you’re channeling the devil”, “your blood type is Pino Gregio”, “you’re not a chef, you’re a cook”.

          B. Misappropriate sayings when trying to make a point like saying “making lemons into lemonade” when meaning “she’s trying to kill me”.

          C. Randomly spew names and phrases like “satchels of gold”, and “Al Sharpton!” without rhyme or reason.

          D. After you’ve gotten everyone all riled up, storm out with the bullying accusations, chug a few beers, then come back and offer them gummie bears and a photo shoot on the beach.

          45. When you are caught lying, manipulating, sabotage-plotting, and the like, quickly recover by denying, feigning memory loss and accusing/blaming others, followed by admission, tears, apologies, and hug requests. Once mission is complete, use social networking and media contacts to repeat the cycle.

          46. When all else fails, sing an auto-tuned heavy song reiterating your meaningless title, and deeming you the most proper of all that is etiquette, while demonstrating otherwise with your behavior which is being filmed for a popular national TV show.

          47. When you can’t get your bff back after a fight, refocus your energy on destroying the reputation and lively hood of her new friend. That should work.

          48. If your PR team instructs you not to lash when being confronted about your despicable actions on national TV, instead put on a plastic smile, and nod agreeably. If you must roll your eyes, and throw daggers at your enemies to vent your frustration, be sure to do so while giving knowing looks to your on-air bff to appear as though you have comradely.

          49. When all else fails, resort to tears and storm out of the room.

          50. Contradictions are a girls best friend. They keep you interesting and popular. For example, tell people you don’t eat sugar, then ravage bag of jelly beans right in their faces. They’ll love it. Or, tell them you don’t drink alcohol, then emerge from the kitchen with shot glasses filled with a drink you’ve named after yourself, while bragging about how good it is. That’ll drive ’em wild. Oh! And, there’s always the “I’m a vegetarian” schtick. Tell them that while nawing on a big fat juicy steak. Lastly wear fur in the name of Peta.

    • Jillousyness says:

      I know Gotham Tomato too from TLo’s blog! Small world. She is really witty and knows her stuff. It was fun to see a name I recognized totally unexpectedly.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Exactly what I thought when I saw GT on that blog! Love TLo’s & all the “kittens.” LOL

    • faninma says:

      OMG that was hysterical!!!!

    • Les Drivon says:

      I read that list and literally spit my gin and tonic all over the monitor in a burst of laughter. (I’m just glad I didn’t choke or it didn’t come out my nose -as that hurts!). Thanks for the fun.

    • Cyn says:

      7. Women in their 80s shouldn’t wear ice-skating outfits.
      16. A monogrammed gift bag is a sure sign that someone is trying to kill you.

      ..made me laugh so hard I had tears coming out of my eyes!

      Hey Jill – someone called you old! Bwaaahhhhh!

      adding: It’s okay to talk $h!t about your girls behind their back and refer to them as a “fabulous circle of friends”… because you say say “sorry” and everything will be alright!! (not.)

  14. cusi77 says:

    I am watching the reunion part 1 rerun… wow! Jill “love” for B and make up and rebuild a friendship is… bizarre, sick… don’t you think? If I were Bethenny I will be questioning her sincerity as well.

    • Katiecoo says:

      What it is, is manipulative. She knows her ONLY ticket back in to any kind of “popularity” would be getting a full pardon from Bethenny. A sitdown hug will not accomplish that, nor will trashing her behind her back every chance Jill gets.

      Jill, find another hobby cuz with RHONY, you’re toast. Burnt toast at that. Maybe Kelly’s horses will like you.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Agree – Jill seems to think if Bethenny will be friends with her then all her other behavior will be forgiven/forgotten. Amazing strategy!

  15. Jennifer says:

    I thought the second episode was better than first so far so good…. I was a bit put off to hear her say how she wanted to run from social events and crowds just because when she is paid to interact with fans seems like she shouldn’t let us know she doesn’t like it but it’s B so I willing to forgive. I appreciate she at least honest about it and herself- so far BGM gets 4.5 stars from me 🙂 ( had to take off star cuz agree name sucks)

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Some people have to be in the public to do their jobs – it doesn’t mean they like to be in crowds or do public speaking. Her honesty is refreshing.

  16. Cheri says:

    I wonder if during the end of last nights show that rather than letting BRAS tell their side of what happened he felt it was better to show the viewers what they had to deal with and just let Kelly talk. I don’t think they could have explained nearly as well as him letting her show us.

  17. iceNfire says:

    Sorry everyone just trying to catch up.

    Rusty – Funny how you show up here after the “I don’t like Lynn” blog has been removed and it cannot be proved that you were there. But I for one did see you there spouting insults about Lynn. You and Cleo’s mommy go hand in hand.

    HD – DLA is also known as deelovesalex. I did see her go after you but by the time I read it 4 hours had past and I didn’t want to stir the pot.

    • damien says:

      Long time lurker. First time poster. I saw Rusty post on two blogs also. One written by Cleo and another written by Gwen somebody. He did rip Lynn a new on all over the place.

    • SmileySuzyQ says:

      I got your back on this Ice. I copied the Full transcript of Cleo’s Mommy blog before it was removed/taken down. I was reading that blog today and then next thing it went poof! but I still had a second window open with the blog and saved it all 🙂 Funny how Rusty shows back up here after slamming Lynn all over that blog. Should I post the transcript so anyone can download it? Anyone else want to come back from Cleo world and play innocent on this blog? Note to Rusty: When you keep hopping over fences sometimes a fence post will stab you in the chucky. This is one of those times.

    • Nancyusa says:

      I have still that thread and all of a commenter called Rusty’s comments. I just looked through all of Rusty’s comments and she really was not “sprouting insults about Lynn”.

      Most of Rusty’s comments relating to IHJZ expressed her regret and bafflement that Otay was still posting here.

      I can email you the entire thread if you like, it’s too long to post here.

  18. moriasheehan says:

    i like the show a lot. i think max is cute but a useless assistant. i found his interview to be nothing but empty phrases that really mean nothing. that whole thing about knowing what she wants before she knows she wants it…bs. why didn’t he ask B any questions about how she likes to do her speeches. how soon after finishing speech does she like to leave. what time is her next appointment. these are all fairly simple questions. and then to be out talking to the audience. fired! i would never have hired him. the wedding planner, once again, has he ever had a job before? he’s a train wreck. his job is to make the wedding easier for the bride. don’t lie. B has NO room for it anymore. i found that i had to change the channel when he was on, he was creepy and so incompetent. reminds me of some of the interns on kells show. no way i would ever had kept a job with such a poor showing.
    i love all the parts with J and his folks and cookie. get an assistant who assists, get the wedding done so no more planner and it’s a great show.

    • Adgirl says:

      I guess Bethenny could have hired Jen or the planner Ramoner used for the renewal event. The lady Jen was mean about. But if Bethenny hired one of them there wouldn’t be any tension about whether the planner can deliver.

      • shanty says:

        B did comment that his caliber is what you get when you start planning so late. I don’t think she had much to choose from in way of a professional.

  19. moriasheehan says:

    i may have ranted a bit, but it is hard to be out of work and know that you have worked your ass off but these people have jobs and don’t seem to appreciate how lucky they are and bust their balls for B

    • Ann Lawrence says:

      Max is an intern. From the first show Bethenny said he was an intern, which usually means he is not paid. So, if you want to bust your behind for no pay or benefits, then you too can be an intern.

      If he is not an intern as stated then likely he is paid.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Max is not an intern, he is an assistant and he is paid.

        • Ann Lawrence says:

          If you see the first show Bethenny states unequivocally that she was INTERVIEWING INTERNS. An INTERN IS NOT PAID. I would like you to refute that because that is what she said beyond a reasonable doubt. Sorry Lynn, I BELIEVE YOU ARE MISTAKEN.

          • Capiche says:

            Some interns DO get paid! It depends on the person or company who’s hiring. When I was an intern, I GOT PAID! And B refers to Max as her assistant.

            • Ann Lawrence says:

              He is not paid. Some interns do, but it is rare and usually it is only some money. I went to see if he did on FB for Bethenny and he isn’t getting paid.

        • Ann Lawrence says:


          Most definitely Max is an INTERN. I downloaded Bethenny’s Getting Married on iTunes just to make sure I was correct from what I remembered. Plus everyone should because it is free the premiere.

          Bethenny states, “I am interviewing INTERNS…” An Intern is an UNPAID position. If you want to call them assistants afterwards you can, but they are not paid. I knew I was right. Just download and you will see it, it is after the scene of Bethenny taking a taste of frosting.

          • Small Town Mama says:

            I have no idea if Max is paid or not (I don’t care). But not all interns work for free. My internship in college was a paid internship. It was barely above minimum wage but I was paid.

          • Go To Sleep says:

            Not all interns are unpaid, I did a paid internship once. It wasn’t much, but it was paid. I’m sure Max is also paid by Bravo for being a character on the show.

          • desertgal66 says:

            I also worked as a paid intern in college. Sorry, Ann Lawrence, but your assumption that ALL intern positions are unpaid is incorrect.

            • Jacqueline A says:

              Interns can be paid. Intern to me seems like its more temporary and not whether they are paid of not. I hire an intern ever summer and then they go back to college. My interns are paid and temporary.

            • Quincy IL says:

              My daughter had a paid internship in a hospital. I believe that Kell on Earth mentioned that her interns were getting $10,000.

            • Ann Lawrence says:

              You are right all Interns are not unpaid, however, Max is not paid. I went to FB and found that out. As for the one that wrote to me about Princeton and Internship. I went to Princeton as an undergrad and I am at NYU Law, so I know of Princeton’s Internships very well. I was in biomedical engineering and I did my Internship at J&J, when you are paid as an intern it is not being paid as a FTE (full-time employee). I was paid only $750/wk. I finished L1 and going to L2 and I am doing summer associate position at large law it is not called internship it is different it is associate position and I am paid 1,200/wk. However it is not what I would be paid if I were an FTE no where near it. When I mean paid it doesn’t mean out of the level that one should be paid for the job. Who wants min. wage or even several multiples of it.

              As for the example of a MD who are doing their rotating intership prior to residency it is a bad example because that is someone who has already passed USMLE1 and 2. They are doctors. They get paid less than min. wage during that period and during their residency.

              Max and the other two interns not paid anything approaching what an assistant gets paid and that was confirmed on Bethenny’s FB by someone in the know. I think it was Max himself or Molly.

              This whole thing was about Max not working hard enough and someone posting that with so many people out of work they should be busting their bottom. I just replied that if you want to work for absolutely nothing you too can be an intern and I stand behind that.

              • desertgal66 says:

                No, you replied that all interns are not paid. That is incorrect.

                Max and the other two interns not paid anything approaching what an assistant gets paid and that was confirmed on Bethenny’s FB by someone in the know. I think it was Max himself or Molly.

                Paid is paid, regardless of the amount. If Max receives any money for working for Bethenny, he is a paid intern. That’s it.

              • ms molly says:

                Thank you desertgal66
                It’s hilarious when someone denies what they said and forgets that this is the age of phone cams and copy and paste! Sounds a bit like Jill – “show me the tape!!! “show me the tape”

              • Maxine49 says:

                OMG—Kelly is that you?

          • I’m a Career Coach and Corporate Recruiter by trade and INTERNSHIPS are both PAID and UNPAID. When unpaid, the substitute is sometimes college credits. During the current economic downturn, many companies are using “interns” because they can’t afford to pay regular salaries and medical benefits to staff, but they work them the same even still. Tragic.

            My Employment blog:
            My most recent post discusses internships, coincidentally.

  20. CdnFillie says:

    Carried over from the last blog:

    I too was upset at Andy for not digging more at Kelly and her behaviour on the island. I especially wanted to hear what the “cat pee smell” was all about. But then it dawned on me that maybe he was scared to cause another “breakthrough” episode worse than in St John’s. Which leads me to believe they have already decided not to bring her back next season. And really the only reason he quit giving Jill the gears was because of B. What do you guys think?

    • desertgal66 says:

      Well, there’s always the fact that trying to pry a straight answer out of Kelly Bensimon is like trying to pry a satchel of gold off Howard Hughes. It just ain’t gonna happen.

      Andy: Kelly, do you have evidence that Bethenny went to the press about you “every single day” and/or “went after your little girl” in the press?

      Kelly: Aaaannnddyy. Hiiiiii! Thank you very much, I appreciate that. That isn’t what I said. This show has been such a great platform for me to Tweet about the Gulf oil spill and save all the little sodden ducklings with the power of my words alone. PETA is very grateful for the press that my Tweets have given them. When I was fifteen, I was given the Nobel Peace Prize, you know, for selling the most Girl Scout cookies and, like, working with Dennis Hopper to raise money to paint a park bench green. It was a classic case of systematic bullying, but our neighbors, were, like, you know, constantly evolving and they were able to use it as a platform to teach their children how not to sell cookies door to door. And, I just, you know, like want to be me. Kelly Killoren Bensimon. Mother of Sea and Ted…(gets up and wanders off.)

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      If Bravo is not asking Kelly to return, IMO they have already built a case in the event she sues them. There are likely things not addressed for this reason – if drug use is suspected then a drug test would clear that up (providing she would submit to one). Continually stating that she was forced to go on a trip after being corrected is insubordination! While she claims she is ratings satchels of gold, Bravo has to weight that hag, I mean bag against the liability, the sponsors who would leave and the cast who may feel she is dangerous (she brought that up in Part 3 herself). IMO Bravo has been talking to her and she is ignoring what she is being told.

      • error 404 says:

        It was definitely a ‘give her enough rope to hang herself’ strategy. They wanted the whole thing on tape. And Kiki’s gonna get a shock when she finds out the bathroom was monitored and her little “break” was filmed.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        “in the event she sues them” for what? The HW’s only have contracts for one season at a time. Shed Media, the production company that is their direct employer, is under no legal obligation to ask any of them back. There are no grounds for litigation if the production company does not choose to offer a HW another contract.

  21. Kokuanani says:

    I posted this on the prior blog, before I saw there was a new one. But it’s so fabulous, it deserves being posted twice.

    Just got my Entertainment Weekly and wanted everyone here to know that we are all hip and relevant.

    On “The Shaw Report:”

    Out – Feeling bad for Kelly
    Five Minutes Ago – Mocking Ramona
    In – Still hating Jill

    They didn’t cite you, but Lynn, take a bow!!

  22. boston02127 says:

    From Jill’s Blog:
    Thank you everyone who asked about the bracelets that I wore on the reunion show! Glad to hear you liked them!
    The big yellow cuff is Rodrigo Otazu- this one was also featured on Carrie in Sex And The City 2 (you can find his collections at henri bendels and fragments).
    One sworovski gold bangle from india (sorry you can’t get in USA).
    The 4 emerald/gold bangles are Roberta Chiarella.
    The Earrings are from Rodrigo Ortega.
    The shoes were Christian Louboutin in emerald green suede..there was NO PRICE TAG on the bottom..I just wore them so the red paint does wear off..I need to put red rubber soles on them!

    • Anitabee says:

      She forgot to add that she didn’t pay for any of this stuff as she had her flying monkeys either call the designers for freebies or had them get them for her at designer sample sales (via confessions of a shopaholic) to which she forgot to reimburse them.

      I’m sure people only asked about them because they were so ugly on her. Jill Zarin looked like she ran into the dollar tree store and picked up the gawdiest jewelry there. It looked like the stuff I brought for my niece’s pretty princess gift bags for her birthday party when she turned two last August.

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        No you really think that is fair. Come on even Bethenny cited that she was wearing a Karen Millen dress. It was a bit excessive and definitely different, but it is inexpensive as she said. It has matching shoes and thank goodness she didn’t wear them. I think she ware manoloblaniks, but I can’t be sure.

        • desertgal66 says:


          Bethenny cited the designer of her dress because she was asked. Jill cited the designers of her jewelry and shoes because she was asked.

          What is your point? People are allowed to consider Jill’s jewelry and shoes tacky.

          • Ann Lawrence says:

            Because the poster said the ONLY reason that someon asked about Jill’s bracelets had to be because they were tacky and come on when you are channeling Dynasty that is beyond tacky even Andy said so. When someone mentions Dynasty it is tacky.

            • desertgal66 says:

              Where did the poster mention Dynasty?

              • Anitabee says:

                I didn’t. Bethenny was ASKED by Andy who the designer was. She didn’t claim that she was asked and post on her facebook page like someone we all hate.

            • Ann Lawrence = Kelly???

            • Maxine49 says:

              Ann (Kelly)–make sure you keep that legal malpractice insurance up to date—something tells me you’re gonna need it after reading your nonsensical postings–that’s assuming, of course, that you make it through L3 and pass the bar—I’m seeing that as a real crap shoot for you.

      • vett31 says:

        OMG! your comments sound like you just lost a game a four square on the playgrund! where do we get these people. Reality show people remeber that…..alot of this stuff is made for television. Bethenny just didn’t play fair as usual. remember she is a Scorpio and Scorions always sting.

  23. JKW says:

    Hi Lynn,
    Wasn’t sure if you saw this ? It is from TVGasm and their RHNYC recap. You are mentioned by name. This is the ending pics and write ups of what they are doing now.

    Bawby mortgaged the hideous condo so he could buy up all Jill’s books on Amazon and Ally has moved to Greenland and started a support group for the daughters of reality narcissists. As far as I know, Jill is still clinging to that ice floe that Lynn from Chicago put her on, just a skeleton in a skating dress clutching her book after her Anchorage appearance at Border’s got cancelled and no one told her.

  24. Anitabee says:

    I wonder if next season they will change the title from Bethenny’s getting married? to Bethenny GOT Married! This way we can keep calling it BGM.

    I laughed out loud during the shows so far. Although yesterday I wanted to yeach in and backhand the girl at the second place Bethenny and Jason’s mom stopped in to look at wedding dresses. That girl showed Bethenny hideous dresses. WTF was she thinking?

    Jason and Bethenny trip to Bloomindale’s to register was a viewing treat especially when Jason managed to break the “unbreakable” china cup.

    It really warmed me to see Jason’s family embrace Bethenny like a real daughter. By the way has anyone heard more of Bethenny’s skin care line? The part they showed on the show with the vendor/supplier was a little scary for me.

    • Katiecoo says:

      That was especially hilarious how Bethenny rolled with it like the “mazeltov!” breaking the glass by stomping on it at the end of a Jewish wedding. You can’t script this kind of thing (although I’m sure Kelly will say that was all staged…kookoo).

      • Anitabee says:

        Ok — don’t you have a feeling that sometime in the near future Jason is going to come home to find:

        1. Bethenny missing.
        2. Kelly wearing Jason’s work shirts as a dress while she attempts to bake a chicken using the sunshine out on the patio.
        3. Kelly trying to make Bryn call her mommie.
        4. Kelly looking down at him saying, “Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!! I missed you all day. Come give your wifey a big kiss!”

        Luckily, Jason will hear’s Cookie barking from a cupboard so he opens it. Cookie than bites Kelly’s manhands giving Jason a chance to call 911.

        When the police arrive they find Bethenny knocked out tied to a chair in her office. Further investigating finds jelly beans laced with Adderall and Cocaine found in Bethenny’s system and in Kelly’s mouth.

        Kelly is arrested and sent to Bellevue for “observation”. She claims “systematic bullying” as her defense. No lawyer on earth will take her case so Jonathan Cheban takes her case as a desperate ploy for ratings for his new PR reality TV show.

        Further evidence shows fake green suede Christan Louboutin shoes with a white price sticker on the bottom, long bright red human hair extentions, fake eyelashes, and fourteen cases of Secrets of a Jewish Mother books slashed to $1.99 left behind at the scene of the crime.

        Jill is not arrested as her mother gives her an alibi.

        Kelly is sentenced to 10 years in Bellevue where she is forced to wash her face every day and her greasy hair every other day.

        Ironically at Bellevue Kelly starts to eats regular diet of fresh fruits, veggies, protein and no sugar. Amazingly brain cells start to grow. Kelly develops a regular speech pattern and confesses she wasn’t crazy — she was just hungry.

  25. Katiecoo says:

    Hey anyone know where that poll was where we voted on which HW we’d like to see back next season? Would love to see the latest…last I checked Kelly was on the bottom w/ Jill/Jen closed seconds.

    • Brianna, @Darrennyc is supposed to be Jill’s assistant? We went back and forth on Twitter after he sent that mssg to Simon. He actually gave me a shout out and apologized saying “i just want everyone to get along” (sad face). I let him know that loyalty, in this case, does not work. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, and Jill is WRONG. In my previous tweet (which prompted the “I’m sorry”) I told him he was working for the devil and to run!

      The new Saunders might be the other Tweeter with a brand new page that started off by insulting Simon. Can’t think of the screen name but Simon accuses them of being Jill or Darren the assistant. Simon’s going hard right now, as he should!

  26. JKW says:

    Katiecoo…no way, Kelly will do a PSA on the dangers of breaking glass and cutting your foot.

  27. chismosa says:

    Lynn- still have to catch up with all the comments from this and the previous 2 blogs but
    PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE THE NAME OF YOUR BLOG. I am begging you. Regardless of anyting JZ did during the reunions, she showed how disgusting a person she truly, deeply is. Even if you blog about other shows, big deal!? At least until we know for sure that JZ is NOT coming back on season 4- PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE infinity- keep the name!!!

    #2- why is Buster Bluth from Arrested Development planning B’s wedding!!!?? (for anyone who watched that most fantastic of shows…)

    please Lynn dont change the name……..
    hugs, always

  28. boston02127 says:

    G’ Night all.

    • shanty says:

      That, is a great article. Thanks GP. My favorite excerpt:

      “Clearly, there is only one thing anyone could ever celebrate about Kelly Bensimon: She is beautiful. The long legs she was born with could hardly be considered a personal accomplishment, though. We can and should celebrate her trainer, eyebrow waxer, makeup artist, plastic surgeon, cosmetic dentist, hair stylist and tanning bed technician.

      What if Bensimon were average looking? Or unattractive? If not for her beauty, she’d be in a shelter for ranting, homeless middle aged crazy ladies right now, and not in a mansion in the Hamptons. And certainly not on our TV screens. “

    • GreatExpectations says:

      Loved this article! Valerie Frankel said everything I think. Also read the comments, some are really good!

  29. zoekayla says:

    One last comment about the reunion…the “hug” that Jill forced on Bethenny reminded me of the “kiss” Coerth (sp?) planted on Lulu…both kind of made me throw up a little in my mouth.

  30. Gina says:

    One last I HATE JILL ZARIN rant before bedtime if you’ll indulge me.

    Before this season everyone thought Bawby was such a quiet sweet guy who was in way over his head with his fiery red headed wife Jill. Well yesterday I happened to catch a rerun of the very 1st episode of RHONY. And I could not believe how awkward the relationship was between Bawby and his step-daughter Ally. It was so uncomfortable to watch. You could tell that Bawby and Ally would have been just fine if the other one didn’t exist. Jill had to keep pushing them to communicate or hug each other. Jill had to work so hard to make them appear to be a “family.”
    Then we find out that Bawby has been Ally’s step-father for 7 years!!! You would have thought that they had just met. It is so obvious that Jill put her love of the money Bawby could provide her over the feelings of her young daughter. You can tell that Ally is a mere ghost living in Bawby’s world.

    And then I could not believe what I saw and heard next!

    In Jill’s own words she says that Ally is going to a Detox Center on Martha’s Vineyard to “detox” and…LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!

    Remember during the Reunion Show Part I how hysterical Jill became when Bethany brought up the WEIGHT LOSS CAMP?!
    “It was never a weight loss camp!” she exclaimed. OH YES IT WAS JILL!
    Some of Jill’s first words to Ally when she returned were,

    “Look how flat your stomach is!”

    Poor Poor Ally. Being an only child with such a narcistic, selfish, materialistic, and hateful mother and such a cold and undemonstrative step-father, who wears dark sunglasses rain or shine, must be a living nightmare.

    • Kokuanani says:

      Well, in Bawwwby’s defense, I’m sure he’s constantly zonked out after Jill’s latest “thank you” for her most recent jewelry gift.

    • Katiecoo says:

      I caught the same thing….awwwkward and they were both even admitting how awkward it was. I am less impressed with Bobby the more I pay attention to him. He’s not just a blob, he’s a passive aggressive blob. Did you catch how burdensome he sounded when he just had to go to Ally’s room to see her new clothes? He’s probably pissed too cuz he knows how much he had to spend on them.

      Does he have other kids from previous marriages? Wonder how they feel about his overinvestment ($$$) in Jill.

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        If you viewed year one reunion you will see that Bobby has at least one other son from his previous marriage. I believe he does have several other children.

        I doubt that his children are mad at Jill’s spending. First because whether or not anyone likes it you cannot disinherit the wife in any state in the US. She will always receive at a minimum 1/3 of the marital estate. Once you marry it is what it is.

        Bobby loves Jill it is clear. So you don’t like Jill that is fine, but Bobby clearly does and he should because he is her husband.

        As for Ally, well many step-fathers have estranged relationships with the step-children even if they are living under the same roof. Some people cannot relate to children. Again, it is what it is.

        • boston02127 says:

          @Ann Lawrence~If Bobby cannot relate to children, maybe Jill should waited to to marry and raised her child first. Instead she put herself first. What else is new.

          • Ann Lawrence says:

            But, does Bobby not relate to children? They have a slightly distant relationship, so what. The vast majority of second marriages are not “wine and roses” when comes to step-children. He seems caring. He shows-up for the important things. Showing-up is really the most important part of any family. Of course if he was very expressive in his love, that would be the coup d’etat, but does that detract so much from the family life? I don’t think so.

            Ally seems well adjusted. I believe she is going to University of Pennsylvania, so fantastic she is at an Ivy! My brother goes there and I hope he meets her, but he is at Wharton.

            Was it in the best interest of the child for Jill to have waited to marry until her child was out of the house? Absolutely not. If a mother or any parent were to place their life on hold for the sole benefit of the child, when the step-parent is a good individual, loves them and the parent loves that person it would be foolish.

            The relationship is what is. Bobby is a good man. Bobby is a good provider. Bobby is a steadfast individual. Bobby is loyal. Bobby is not into fleeting fame or notoriety, so all and all Bobby is a good person and good step-father. IMO.

        • Maxine49 says:

          Yes, but you can disinherit your children—and once you are an ex-wife you no longer have any rights of inheritance—geez, pay more attention in your Family Law class—you are embarrassing yourself….get off the blogs and crack the law books.

      • Go To Sleep says:

        I know he has a son (he was very sick a couple years ago and she talked about it), possibly a daughter…but they seem to have a really good relationship with Jill and she calls Bobby’s son’s son her grandchild.

        • Ann Lawrence says:

          But, you know that Jill is more of the mothering kind. I think she might be more of the smothering kind, but is different. Jill is much more expressive than Bobby, but that doesn’t mean that Bobby is not a good step-father to Ally, it just means he expresses love differently.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO neither Bawby or Ally wanted to be on the show – they look pained to often – Jill needed props and threw her reluctant family into the show.

      Also Kelly’s daughter who only wrote notes during the pancake scenes – she was probably not a willing participant – so Kelly said Zip It to her and told her to write notes (sound familiar???).

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I think Ally definitely wants to be on the show- and seeks the recognition which is why she uses the name “Zarin”. She also enjoys using the recognition to her advantage with using it to get people to visit her website and being photographed for magazines.

        I don’t think these are things she could have achieved on her own, from what I have read she is not academically gifted not does she have ‘the look’ that model agencies are seeking. This isn’t a criticism, it isn’t character flaw to have average looks or intelligence.

      • Yes! On the island, Kelly wanted everyone to “zip it” and write their feelings down on paper instead! Lol! Great observation!

  31. Tootsie says:

    NIghty Nite. CuckooforCocoaPuffs – let us hear from you tomorrow.

  32. lillybee says:

    I found BGM very sweet and slightly boring. However, I would take sweet and slightly boring any day over mean spirited drama that was going on in RHONY.

  33. Thanks for the new blog Lynn. I think you were on point re Jill’s website going down at certain times. I think most suspect that Jill is writing some of her own glowing comments given her past behavior in doing stuff like that. This is getting old and quite boring. She does the same old stuff over and over and thinks viewers will just accept it? Jill isn’t very intuitive is she?

    So glad for Bethenny’s show. It is such a breath of fresh air especially after the horrible depressive season of RHONY cause by jill and kelly!

  34. Katiecoo says:

    I just hope Ally has a decent relationship w/ her father and his family. She seems like a real sweetie and didn’t ask for this situation. Bobby seems to not give a crap about her and she knows it. He just is the wallet, period.

    • Ann Lawrence says:


      Do you really think that Jill doesn’t love Ally? I cannot believe you possibly believe that, especially with all the love that Jill lavishes on Ally. It is patently obvious that Jill adores her child, as well as, her grandparents and aunt. The biological mother is most important and who she marries well that is secondary, IMO.

      However, I don’t believe Bobby doesn’t love Ally. People have different manners of expressing love. Some people like Bobby are less expressive and in all aspects he seems less expressive of his feelings.

      Is he a wallet? A bit of one. Paying for things is a manner of expressing his love. He is not the biological parent of Ally. Ally has a father that has not relinquished his paternal rights, so that means Bobby doesn’t have to provide the money for the clothes or the detox center or anything like that. However, he does and that is really out of the goodness of his heart. He doesn’t have to do it, but he wants to do it. It is an expression of love. We all want more expressive people, but in the end we need to relish the type of individual we have and not what we would like to have in a utopia.

      On the other hand, what do you think of Jason living off of Bethenny? Do you think that he is a Jill, albeit to a lesser extent? Jason didn’t pay for the condo in Tribeca and Bethenny clearly stated that she paid for the nurse for Bryn. Jason is living off of Bethenny’s success. I am not saying it is bad. I think Bethenny doesn’t care and frankly I don’t care. I am only trying to make a point, that one could quite easily say that Jason is living off Bethenny.

      It seems to me you are saying that Jill doesn’t pay her own way for the amount of gifts she receives from Bobby. Bobby is a mere wallet to Jill. However, they clearly love each other and you can see it from the way Jill talks about Bobby and way Bobby talks about and defends his wife.

      Now, Jason is in a similar scenario. Bethenny doesn’t have the money of Bobby, so we do not see it to the extreme and Jason is not Jill who takes it to an extreme, but it is more than clear Jason lives off of Bethenny. A pharma sales man who is or was a personal trainer on the side cannot afford a 3 bedroom condo in Tribeca, which makes Jason a kept man.

      So, sometimes we need to look at glass house because depending on the type of glass they shatter so easily.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Interesting. Jason and Bethenny are both in careers – they don’t make what Bobby has but I don’t think they are into money the way Jill is! Bobby’s wallet is Jill’s ticket to her fabulous life – while she is listed as Marketing whatever at Zarin Fabrics – she is not living off of it! She dabbles, she isn’t 9 to 5, she may love Bobby but his wallet is the prime motivator.

      • Why are you comparing Beth and Jas to Jill and Bobby? Apple and Oranges. You CLAIM to have all of this insight with regards to Jizz and her family but truthfully you know you don’t have one clue about what’s going with B&J’s finances. Why would you speculate to this degree? Jill you know you really shouldn’t harass people like this. It’s just makes our opinion of you that much worse. Please Stooopppppp!!! lol

  35. I found the I Do Not Like Lynn Hudson blog on google but the page is cached only. The blog has closed down, but the page is available thru cache (click on the word “Cached” in the search and it will bring up the page.

    google search: I Do Not Like Lynn Hudson brought up this:

    Hello. My name is Gwen and I really DO NOT like Lynn Hudson! I will not use the word HATE however, as Lynn seems to love to do. I am not a negativity …
    hubpages.com/hub/I-Do-Not-Like-Lynn-Hudson – Cached

    Here’s the actual link to the cached page:


    And yes, some of you were right, Rusty was on there badmouthing Lynn and some people on this board:

    Rusty 21 hours ago

    What’s mindboggling to me is the amount of time each day the IHJZ peeps are on the website. Sunrise to sunset and then into the night or early, early the next day. The continual talk of “trolls” goes on and they are all on high alert for those nonexistent but perpetual trolls. Keep hunting Girls. Episodes are watching again and again. Episode words are copied down to make certain they can be included exactly right in their next postal web-rant. Postal is right. Now they are hating on just about every cast person at Bravo. In fact, I laughed out loud one day when they were truly hating BRAVO itself and brewing something. Oh yes . . . I think Lynn wrote to Andy expounding on just what she would do if Bravo continued to do this or that. That might work for ya Lynn. My Heavens but your sense of self is so powerful in your own mind and those of your wee and mouthy minions .

    No one new is really welcome there. Just a lot of the same old, crabby, grizzly posters who continually confirm to each other that they have each other’s back. High five.

    As I’ve said before at Cleo’s Mommys site, it all was so much fun at the beginning. Full of bright, witty posters dishing what felt like snappy snark. It jumped the shark big time and very quickly. I will forever be curious (ok – one more week tops) why Lynn allowed Otay to continue to post while others were strictly forbidden.

    Here’s to your 15 minutes Lynn. Cheers. Clock’s running down.

    Oh . . . it’s been excitedly announced by Lynn and cheered enthusiastically by the crew, that she will be hating on the Big Brother cast next.

    • Here’s another interesting comment from that now defunct blog:

      poster 19 hours ago
      omg. this could go on forever. Next it will be i hate ihlh. Am finding it more than amusing that the ihjz posters are still running around calling ‘come back, Rusty! come back, Had Enough! come back! all you great witty posters the problem is gone..’ when in fact most of these people have been blocked/banned from posting by Lynn – or simply posting under new names. Rusty all those high fives over there about sniffing out the trolls while they pat the real one on the back is just hilarious. Now who is going to hate on me today for expressing my opinion? I’ll be standing back 10 feet so I don’t get wet when you start sputtering.

      • Katiecoo says:

        Ok all of those sour grapes are…just sour.

        But I do miss “Had Enough!”. Smart and witty go a long way with me.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        This is what makes blogging so interesting – there is a place for everyone! There is so little to “DISLIKE” or “HATE” about Lynn and her blog that the site ran it’s course! It’s ohvah! Now back to our favorite pasttime – hating on the Jill!

    • damien says:

      wow. otaypanky posted there defending lynn and telling rusty and cleo off.

    • Quincy IL says:

      “No one new is welcome..” That’s incorrect. I haven’t been around that long and everyone was nice to me. Lynn was very welcoming.

      Rusty seems to have a lot of time to monitor this site and go to other sites and report. Good for him/her. That’s what makes me laugh. People spying and secretly being on sides. It’s so like Jill Zarin.

      • moriasheehan says:

        you are right, quincy, i have only been posting a few weeks and everyone has been super nice.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Some people just lurk but never post. Some people, like me, felt comfortable enough to post! All are welcomed but those who want to make personal attacks on other posters or use racial slurs and make others uncomfortable enough to ask that mean behavior stop – are not welcomed. Pretty simple rules.

  36. dumberries says:

    Is it just me or are others in this group still seething about the foulness of Jill Zarin? I’m a little disappointed in myself that I can’t move on and I’m truly not a hateful person, but I’m still pissed from the last installment of the reunion. Here’s what’s stuck in my craw:
    1. Zarin says she could never have expected what she encountered when she crashed the party in the Virgin Islands. Why, dang it, didn’t anyone call her on this. She clearly stated to LuAnn that she might need a “rescue mission”. To LuAnn’s credit, she responded that she would not be available for that mission. Obviously, Jill knew she was taking a huge risk and overstepping boundaries by going. There is no other reason she would think that a “rescue mission” might be needed. It’s all on tape.
    2. Zarin supporting Kelly’s moronic “systematic bullying” claims by saying she understood how Kelly felt because she (Zarin) wasn’t bowed-down to when she showed up unannounced on the last day of the Virgin Islands trip. So insulting to any viewer with an IQ above 80, and enabling Kelly’s delusions for her own selfish spin. Per her 4 PR consultants, I’m sure she had to support Kelly periodically to show that she has the capacity to be a “good loyal friend”, despite all evidence to the contrary. Again, an insult to all viewers with any common sense.
    3. Zarin saying she wouldn’t return next season because “Alex hates her”. How juvenile. We all know she would return no matter what (ain’t like she’s got any other opportunities at this point) and she’s trying to force Bravo to choose because SHE HATES ALEX for calling her out for exactly what she is. Alex hates Zarin’s behavior, not Zarin. Zarin, on the other hand, hates every person that won’t kiss her ugly ass.
    Up until know, I’ve posted here twice and could never come straight and say that I hate Zarin (can’t call her by her first name, implies too much respect). I would have said that I “can’t stand her” or I “don’t respect her”. Hate is a very strong word. For the first time, I can say without any qualms that “I hate Zarin”.
    4. I’m annoyed with Bravo for net letting the ladies on the Virgin Islands trip tell more details from their side. I’m also disappointed that Amazongate wasn’t addressed at all.

    Unless I’m in the minority, I hope Lynn keeps the name of this blog in tact until it’s no longer appropriate. I love this blog; the bloggers here seem to be nice, smart, snarky and supportive people who don’t use the word “hate” nonchalantly. It takes a lot to get us to that point and Zarin has earned it, in spades. She’s done nothing in 7 months since filming to change that – she’s only increased it. I don’t know why I’m so pissed about it, but I know that I am not alone. I don’t want to see Zarin rewarded for her bs by Bravo, the press, or anyone else. I want to see this piece of work held accountable for assuming everyone is too stupid to see beyond her 8th grade behavior.
    Okay, thanks for letting me vent.
    I’m on the fence with BGM – intrigued enough to keep watching.

    • Katiecoo says:

      Great post…and love your name! lol

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      You nailed Jill – her take on everything is from her point of view which doesn’t take into consideration other people’s feeling! This layer of bullshit protection is being pulled away on blogs, reviews, etc – she may never see herself as others see her and therein lies the truth of her never being able to change.

  37. Katiecoo says:

    Ok my friend and I are watching this first episode of the first season (the one where Ally goes to the “not weight loss” detox center–wink wink!). Our conclusions so far: Bobby is gross and Jill has had a nose job since that season. Breast reduction, nose job, what else?

    • dumberries says:

      I’m with you! Bobby seems to have some good qualities and appears to have been “off limits” in terms of criticism, due to Zarin’s early popularity. No longer the case. Looking back, do you and your friend see that he never really bonded with Ally, his dedication to J. Zarin seems to be defined by feeding her materialistic cravings, and if he had a decent pre-nup, he’d probably have moved on by now?! Zarin thinks she has the perfect marriage because she married an older man who will pay any amount to keep her from wearing him down with her big nagging yap for the few hours per day that he spends at home! And she has the nerve to to tell Ramona’s husband when he should apologize to the countess (who probably wouldn’t have cared about the “countless” remark if Zarin hadn’t stirred the pot), wants to label Alex’s husband an alcoholic in the press for having a few drinks at a holiday party… None of the husbands, including Bethenny’s, can stand the shrew, but she wants to advise women on how to select a husband (by settling) and how to be a good friend in her wonderful book. Gag!

  38. Ann Lawrence says:

    Come on people we all need to grow-up a little. A site devoted to hating a reality TV star is a bit much. I cannot believe I am commenting on this, but I did google Jill Zarin and realitytea and it came up.

    Jill is just a woman. She didn’t kill anyone. She was funny. She is a media whore as much as any of the other housewives and Bethenny. It is just a show. It is edited. None of them are being real. Just think how real we would be if we had TV cameras filming us for 8 to 10 hours. Nothing is real.

    I do remember when Bethenny was on Martha Stewart’s Apprentice and boy that was a show most everyone wants to forget. Bethenny came across is as unlikeable. She has experience in this genra and it shows.

    Personally I like Bethenny because she is funny and not because she is a chef. I don’t really believe anyone really likes her for being a chef because she is not Julia Childs or Bobby Flay. We like her because we have affinity in the underdog. It is not a bash it means the one that seems to be struggling, whether it is in career or relationship. When the show started, it was the relationship catagory for Bethenny and we like to see her win.

    As for Bobby being gross in a comment that is unfair. He clearly loves Jill. He is an elderly man, but he seems like a very nice man.

    As for the detox center in Season one where Ally losses 12 pounds, come on it is unfair to make that statement that it was only weight loss. Apparently, weight is contributory to acceleration of arthritis in the type, which Ally has, so weight loss can ameliorate the symptoms.

    Further, should a mother say something so negative about her child on national TV, that she sent her child for weight loss? The US is already fixated on weight. This is an impressionable 16 year old do you think it would nice to open her up to ridicule? I do not think so and really it would be petty to think as such.

    Finally, the JCC event is self-evident because Bethenny is not a half-jew, but a full jew. Her mother converted and her father was jewish, which makes her a jew by all sects of Judaism save the Hasidic community. Now that she no longer identifies herself as such is her own definition, but she is a Jew. It is what it is.
    All and all, this site is dedicated to nailing Jill Zarin to a cross. I doubt my comments will be presented, but if they are it is not that I dislike Bethenny because I truly like her. I liked her best with Jill because I think she can use Jill as a better comic sounding board in my opinion.

    • Katiecoo says:

      Sorry if it offends you to call an “elderly man” gross but I’ve been watching episode 1, his behavior toward Ally, like when she comes up to him, forced, to thank him for taking her to the “detox” center, she walks up and hugs him awkwardly and all he can say is how this tiny little blond girl standing next to Ally is “so cute” shifting his attention as quickly as possible from Ally. Funny how all they comment on when she comes back is how slender she looks, her flat stomach and how they should go there too–not after hearing about her symptoms being ameliorated or some spiritual epiphany she had but after taking a 15 second cursory glance at her 12 pound less BODY-Bobby also wants to go. It’s all superficial for these folks, and yeah, Mr. “I’m on the cellphone and computer every other second while doling out the dollars to my demanding wife and ignoring her daughter” is, to me, gross. And I’m not even talking about his greased back sparse but too long hair.

      Welcome to the blog! 😀

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        I am more than respectful when I comment. This is an open forum and if you don’t like my posts, then block me from posting.

        I really cannot believe I am posting, but it is a fun distraction from finishing my paper. So, I enjoy it.

        This are reality stars and I don’t take them serious. I don’t take any of them seriously. I think the show is highly edited and it makes for fun cable TV for Comcast who now owns NBC.

        Bobby being gross is a bit of an overstatement and I stand behind that opinion. All of us are just giving an opinion. On a blog, which is clearly bias and we know it because it is called, “I Hate Jill Zarin…” come on I wouldn’t expect less then a bashing of Jill’s husband as well. I think that is because he defended her in season 3 because he does love her. He comes across as loving her and it is very real.

        When Bobby took Ally to the detox center and yes losing weight can ameliorate Spondyloarthropathy. This type of arthritis causes inflamation of the vertebral column and weight loss is one the best methods to lessen the pain from the inflamation. Many children with Spondyloarthropathy have distended stomachs and are obese or significantly overweight. The first course of treatment is diet. You want to make sure the person is at a normal healthy weight because this is a disease which involves the axial skeleton.

        As for the “elderly man” statement on my part well anyone over the age of 25 to me seems elderly and Bobby has to be at least 60, so I define him as such. A bit of ageism on my part, but to me Mario is an elderly man as well.

        • Quincy IL says:

          Mario is looking better and better to me. He’s a great dad and he enjoys his “crazy” wife. We need more Marios out there.

          • Ann Lawrence says:

            I guess, but I would like more Maxes around. These guys are just way too old. I just cannot relate to how cute someone is when they are my dad’s age.

    • dumberries says:

      Respect your opinions and ask you to respect our rights to discuss what we desire. Perhaps you should find a site where the discussion content is more desirable to you.

      • dumberries says:

        Actually, Ann Lawrence, I thing Katiecoo’s response is more relevant than the one I posted.

        Welcome to the blog!

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        Dumberries if you don’t like what I write, then block me. However this is an open forum and until I find it not enjoyable for me and not for someone else, then I will post.

        Thank you for your concern, but it is not needed. If this is your site then you have all the right to block me at anytime and I will accept with the grace that I have demonstrated with all the replies that I commented on. I have been more than respectful.

        Further, a forum without any counter-point is one that lacks any depth. You know that and any journalist would know that.

        • Kokuanani says:

          You keep repeating “then block me,” like you’re dying to be blocked so you can then go crow about how terrible this site is.

          We’re not. We tend to be open and understanding. But we really don’t like people coming in here and attempting to hijack the thread, or making it all about “them.”

          So welcome, if you can play nice, respect others and contribute meaningfully [or with humor].

          • Ann Lawrence says:


            Actually I only made that statement of block me on the response to Katie and Dumberries, which was really on one comment. I didn’t respond that why until Dumberries was saying that I should respect others. I didn’t state anything disrepectful at all and actually Dumberries was being disrespectful in my opinion and if it were her site she has every right to block me.

            I like to express my opinion as I see it. I know this is a site that wants to bash a nice woman for whatever reason. I think there should be an even point of view, which believe mine to be.

            Frankly, I don’t care to be blocked or not. I know that in a site that I have opposite view it is a distinct possibility and I am not oblivious to it, so I state it right up front I don’t care. My opinions are my own and I don’t what others think.

            That is all, but at all times I am respectful of all the posters. I do want to ask questions because many times I believe that there are too many extremes that are presented here and I really don’t believe people truly believe them, especially about Bobby.

            • vilzvet says:

              “I know this is a site that wants to bash a nice woman, for whatever reason.”

              Yikes have you watched even ONE episode of this show?? Not referring to Season 1 or even 2. THIS year??

              • Ann Lawrence says:

                Yes I have. I actually have all the episodes on iTunes. I think Jill is a nice person. She made a mistake. Don’t we all make mistakes. Glass houses people.

                Really friends make-up in time. Bet Bethenny and Jill will. Likely it will be on Bethenny’s second season.

              • Jennifer says:

                I watched MS apprentice and liked B – just saying. She was the same then as now so I don’t think she is fake for RH

            • eastbayjanine says:

              JILL why are you here again! no seriously why are you on this site if you clearly dislike it? go away or go to sleep.

        • Kokuanani says:

          Further, a forum without any counter-point is one that lacks any depth. You know that and any journalist would know that.

          If that’s the way you feel, and if you find this forum so lacking, then go start your own.

          You sound like Ms. “It’s All About Me” Zarin.

          • Ann Lawrence says:


            I don’t need to because this forum is open. Why start my own when there is one present here? The answer is no.

            Frankly, I really don’t care. I find it fun for now and I express my opinion.

            • Maxine49 says:

              Oh for god’s sake, Ann Lawrence/Kelly/Jill—go back to your paper and your law books…so far your legal commentary has been totally off…so you really should be studying and really trying to properly nail down those legal concepts.

          • moriasheehan says:

            funny, i think she sounds more like kookookelly

            • I agree moriasheehan! At first I thought Kelly, then Jill, but now I honestly think Ally?! Lol! Jill wouldn’t bash herself on little bit. Ally because she’s so invested in the Bobby Ally relationship, etc. Lol!!! Hilarious!

              Ignoring from now on is in order! Like, she’s in the mall but not the store. Picture face smashed against the store window, wanting in while we all shop! Teehee

        • Jillousyness says:

          I too am most respectful when I post and in that vein I respectfully welcome you to Lynn’s blog. It is with much grace and respect that I disagree with some of your comments, which you are entitled to and will certainly not be disrespected for.

          The thing I find contradictory in your statement that you like Bethenny but then proceed to say how unlikeable she was on the Martha Stewart show and that was a show most would like to forget. She did come in as the runner up and many felt she should have won. Next you make an unkind observation, based on no facts only personal opinion, that no one likes her for being a chef but only because you perceive her as an underdog. Bethenny had already made a name for herself before the Real Housewives reality show with having Bethenny Bakes as a brand, catering dinner parties, being a personal chef and delivering meals. I can suppose you might think this because she doesn’t have experience as an Executive Chef but that is not the requirement to be called a chef. She did graduate at the top of her class at culinary school.

          Next I respectfully disagree with your offense at someone else’s opinion that Bobby Zarin is gross. It is in the eye of the beholder. One person’s gross is another’s acceptable. Being a nice person and loving one’s wife does not negate the impression to some that he comes across as unsavory or gross. His appearance of having longish, unstyled hair oiled to exess and constantly wearing dark glasses day or night might give off the feeling of being slimy or slick. His glasses are obviously not ‘Transitions’ as they never lighten up and his eyes are never seen. I do not see Bobby as elderly and is still an active and busy business man. He does come across as Jill’s enabler and purse holder and has not shown in 3 seasons any strong characteristics.

          I do not agree with your assessment that none of the women on the show are being ‘real’. I do think they are set up to be at the same events and parties so that they are filmed together but there is no script as to what they say and how they interact is real. Editing naturally occurs as there is 100’s of hours of tape but the words spoken are their own.

          Finally, I respectfully am curious as to why you would mention several times in your comments why you think you would be blocked if people disagreed with you? That doesn’t happen on this blog. If you personally attack another poster and call them names or curse them out that is not allowed and may well cause someone’s post to be deleted, but just general discourse is perfectly acceptable. This is a fun and friendly blog so again you are gracefully welcome.

          • Ann Lawrence says:

            I disagree wholeheartedly. I like Bethenny and I am a fan. I also disagree that I need to be a fan as you want someone to be a fan. Everyone is an individual and we think differently, that is why my opinion is mine. FYI, no all fans will think they way you do.

            Martha even said she found Bethenny to be acerbic. I wanted the whole season. I loved all the Apprentices prior to the Celebrity Apprentice. It was so cool when you are 16 to see that and I really liked the Martha Stewart season, but the viewing audience didn’t it received so poorly. Bethenny did come across poorly. It is a fact. Martha’s reason for not hiring her was because she left that Bethenny’s demeanor was acerbic and she could not work well with her castmates. Additionally, Dawn the winner won almost all the challenges.

            You want the reviews because I can get them from Variety.com, which say that. It is a fact. It aired in fall of 2005 and she wasn’t on TV again until 2008. She did a little work on the horse racing scene other than that she did next to nothing in media.

            As a chef in the Hamptons and NYC she did a little prior to Housewives. My parents have a house in the Hamptons and there are a lot of home chefs during the summer and she was one of them in the area. It was not a big deal until she was on Real Housewives and that is a fact.

            I will clarify this one statement that most people do not that really thinks of Bethenny as a chef. I shouldn’t use and absolute because that was wrong because you view her as a chef first and an entertainer second, while I think of her as an entertainer. I don’t dispute she went to culinary school or that she graduated at the top her class from her 9 month course (she stated the time frame in an interview). But, she didn’t go to CIA in NYC or anything like that and she admits it. I mention Bobby Flay and Julia Childs because I wanted to demonstrate the difference which are Universes apart. Julia Childs attended as the first foreign woman to graduate from Le Cordon Bleu in Paris or Bobby Flay graduate of French Culinary Institute in NYC. No one should say she is in their league because that would be a silly.

            That is what I like about Bethenny she doesn’t take herself seriously. She knows she is not Bobby Flay or Julia Childs. She admits it. She is real about it. She has something to say about being healthy for many people that just don’t get how to use fresh produce or portion size (which weight watchers has done from the inception). Plus I read her book. If you did you would see she doesn’t take her culinary skills seriously either, that is why she is real. That is why she is endearing and that is why I like her.

            I am not going to get into what a chef is. A chef and cook mean the same thing. I do believe Kelly was silly on this. All she needed to do was pick-up Merriam-Webster dictionary and see that the main two definitions of Chef are as follows:

            Etymology: French, short for chef de cuisine head of the kitchen
            Date: 1840
            1 : a skilled cook who manages the kitchen (as of a restaurant)
            2 : cook

            If you look at the actual definition of the word, then Kelly was right. Bethenny is not a chef under the first definition because she does not manage a kitchen in a restaurant. However, when Bethenny said she didn’t know the difference in etomology of the word chef from cook, then Bethenny is right under the second, albeit a lesser of the two definitions of chef.

            But, really I don’t care. I like Bethenny because to me she is funny and inspiration of setting a goal and getting it.

            • desertgal66 says:

              Ann Lawrence says:
              Julia Childs attended as the first foreign woman to graduate from Le Cordon Bleu in Paris.

              Dione Lucas, who was English, was both the first woman and the first foreign woman to graduate from Le Cordon Bleu, in the 1930’s.

            • LynnNChicago says:

              Just fyi there is no “s” it is Julia Child

    • boston02127 says:

      @Ann Lawrence~If weight is contributory to the acceleration of arthritis in the type Ally has, why was Ally shown at age 16-17 not knowing how to ride a bike? Why hasn’t Jill kept her only child active since she was small? Jill should have been at her side walking, biking, dancing, swimming, etc to encourage a healthy lifestyle for Ally. Jill didn’t have anything else to do but raise one child and had plenty of money to do so. Apparently Jill was too self absorbed to do that.
      BTW, I don’t feel I need to “grow up” as you stated in your post. I’m 18. Maybe young in your eyes but I do know if I had a child that was diagnosed with Spondyloarthropathy I’d be by that child’s side 24/7 introducing her to any and every activity possible. Apparently Jill found it easier to throw money at it.

      • desertgal66 says:

        On this, I have to beg to differ. We really don’t know what Ally’s youth was like. Yes, physical activity should be encouraged in a youngster dealing with this type of arthritis. On the other hand, as a mother, if I was dealing with a child suffering through the pain and flare ups of this condition, I would find it difficult to encourage my child to do activities that increase the pain. And Ally is Jill’s only child, so it’s not unlikely that Jill perhaps coddled Ally more than she should have. That makes her guilty of poor judgment, but not intentionally being a bad mother.

        I also have to point out that Ally does have a father, as well, whom she apparently spends a large quantity of time with. The burden of responsibility for encouraging Ally to athletic activities wasn’t on Jill alone.

        Unfortunately, parenting doesn’t come with a handbook. We all make mistakes in that area. But, Ally does seem like a nice girl, with a good head on her shoulders, and there is clearly real affection between Ally and her mother. And while I’m definitely not one to sing Jill’s praises, without knowing more about Ally’s youth, I don’t think we can say that Jill did it all wrong.

        • boston02127 says:

          @Desertgal66~~I agree with you. I just found it very odd that Ally couldn’t ride a bike at 16-17 yrs old. Maybe because I’m not sick like Ally it seems so simple to me.

    • says:
      June 19, 2010 at 6:18 am

      Sorry, this sort of thing makes me fucknuts, so forgive my rant. Being Jewish is carried completely from the mothers side. If your mother is from Jewish descent, even a little, boom, you are considered “100″ percent Jewish. If your father is from a Jewish family via his father, yet your mother is not (I’m not even going to delve into conversion issues here, as the rules are too intricate) insert buzzer noise here, you are not considered Jewish. You would have to convert, and even that can be looked down upon considering your particular affiliation, NOT just Hasidic, but Orthodox as well.. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but them’s the “rules”. Might be why Jill is so freaked out about Ally marrying a non-Jew. Who knows with that cow?

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        Well I am Jewish and it makes me fu$kn*ts when you read my full post. Bethenny’s mother converted to Judaism prior to Bethenny’s birth. Her father is jewish and for orthodoxy she is a Jew. Bethenny was raised as such for some time. She stated that in an old interview. However, in Hasdic sect it might not fly. I know in one sect in Brooklyn they don’t accept conversion. It was written about in the Jewish Times.

    • desertgal66 says:

      Ann Lawrence says:
      Come on people we all need to grow-up a little.

      Starting off with a combative sentence is never a good idea, even if you want to present an opposing viewpoint.

      A site devoted to hating a reality TV star is a bit much. I cannot believe I am commenting on this, but I did google Jill Zarin and realitytea and it came up.

      Please. There have been “I Hate” sites since the beginning of the Internet. This is not all that unique.

      Jill is just a woman. She didn’t kill anyone. She was funny. She is a media whore as much as any of the other housewives and Bethenny. It is just a show. It is edited. None of them are being real. Just think how real we would be if we had TV cameras filming us for 8 to 10 hours. Nothing is real.


      I do remember when Bethenny was on Martha Stewart’s Apprentice and boy that was a show most everyone wants to forget. Bethenny came across is as unlikeable. She has experience in this genra and it shows.

      Ah. So you can comment that you found Bethenny unlikeable on the Apprentice show, and that’ s okay. But, those commenting that they find Jill unlikeable on Housewives is wrong, because it “isn’t real”? Was Martha Stewart’s Apprentice steeped in authenticity?

      Personally I like Bethenny because she is funny and not because she is a chef. I don’t really believe anyone really likes her for being a chef because she is not Julia Childs or Bobby Flay.

      Julia Child, not Childs. And most people first tuned into The French Chef back in the day because Mrs Child was likeable and funny, not just because they wanted to learn how to cook French dishes. But, given that the premise of Bethenny’s show and the Real Housewives isn’t about her cooking, then whether viewers like her as a chef or not is irrelevant. We’re not watching her as a chef.

      We like her because we have affinity in the underdog. It is not a bash it means the one that seems to be struggling, whether it is in career or relationship. When the show started, it was the relationship catagory for Bethenny and we like to see her win.


      As for Bobby being gross in a comment that is unfair. He clearly loves Jill. He is an elderly man, but he seems like a very nice man.

      Well, that’s your opinion. But others are entitled to their own. I think calling him “elderly” is as offensive as calling him “gross”, but, then, I’m close in age to Bobby and I recognize that people over 50 are vital and interesting, and don’t consign them to being geriatric.

      As for the detox center in Season one where Ally losses 12 pounds, come on it is unfair to make that statement that it was only weight loss. Apparently, weight is contributory to acceleration of arthritis in the type, which Ally has, so weight loss can ameliorate the symptoms.

      Well, which comment are you referring to – Bethenny’s, Jill’s, or another poster here? In Bethenny’s case, she clearly didn’t intend to slam Ally-she called it a weight loss camp in the spur of the moment, because she remembered Jill emphasizing the weight loss aspect. Jill getting upset over her remark is just stupid.

      Further, should a mother say something so negative about her child on national TV, that she sent her child for weight loss?

      Probably not, but you should ask Jill Zarin, since she DID say on national television that part of the reason Ally was attending the center was to lose weight. JILL put the emphasis on weight loss.

      All and all, this site is dedicated to nailing Jill Zarin to a cross.

      The header of “I Hate Jill Zarin” misled you in some way?

      And, no, this site isn’t dedicated to nailing Jill Zarin to a cross. It’s an Internet blog, for pete’s sake. Read it, don’t read it, but you are applying far more importance to it than you should. There are blogs all over the place that are just as critical of Ms. Zarin. Are you commenting on those, as well?

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        One that is a generalization that I Hate Blogs have been up since the Internet and not true. A site dedicated to hating Jill Zarin and really I read through it is only dedicated to hating her is a bias site. I know it and you do, so let us not pretend.

        As for saying to grow-up, I didn’t say it just to you I included myself and therefore I think it is accurate and not as derogatory as many of the posts I have seen here against Jill and not mention Kelly.

        As for Julia Childs faux pas it was a mistake I know it is Julia Child. I was not born when she had her show or at least I don’t think the show was around in the late 80s, but it was a typing error and I make grammar and spelling errors as well. It happens. But, I am glad you agree with me on the fact that
        Bethenny is not on the show for being a Chef and her success is not about that, but because she is a media personality. That is what I said on several posts, but another poster went off on the Chef issue. I like Bethenny because she is a entertainer and not a chef. Thank you for that and agreeing with what I said before. If you didn’t see it now you know, that is what I wrote prior to you writing me.

        However, I can tell you when my grandmother first watched Julia it was not for the novelty, but to learn how to get the bare essentials of French cooking. If you read a bit on her she didn’t want to be a TV personality ONLY, but to impart French Culinary techniques and that is fact would you like link to that I can provide it.

        As for ageism, I freely admit it. To me they are all old. It is what it is. Bobby is my father or older than my father and therefore I think he is old. All different people watch Bravo and that is a good thing.

        When I was talking about the detox center it was about Jill’s relationship to Ally and it was not in reference to what Bethenny said. It was actually in response to Katie who was talking about season one and not the reunion show and that is patently obvious.

        Additionally, do you know the type of arthitis Ally has? It affects the axial skeleton. The primary treatment for pain aside from cortosone is loss of weight from the stomach area because this particular arthritis causes inflamation of the vertebra. Now, changing eating patterns and excercise doesn’t mean solely weight loss it help weight to redistribute.

        What Jill meant it wasn’t for weight loss was that Ally was sent there for her medical condition. If Ally was just fat with no underlying medical condition she would not have sent her.

        However, I would be proud of my mother if I was ever in Ally’s situation and had to go to such a place. It is a huge stigma. I would be thank goodness my mom said it wasn’t a weight loss camp. Going into your first year that would be awful having that over your head.

        I do think Bethenny might have made a jib on that. Like you have been writing to me I might not know certain things, well you don’t as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

        The comments about Bethenny being on Martha Steward’s Apprentice and coming off as unlikeable were from Martha and NBC. However, Bethenny learned the nuances about being on a reality show. She had experience and understood what to do, which is valuable experience that translated to Housewives. I do believe that Bethenny and Alex contrive their roles. I do not believe Ramona does. She just couldn’t.

        Further, I think Bethenny’s Martha experience has led her to understand her strengths and work on her weaknesses. She knows NOW how to come across good in the media, which she didn’t before and that is fact. That is the only reason I brought in the Martha Stewart past.

        Was Jill unlikeable prior to this season? To the vast majority of the public it was a resounding NO. Now, I have not read how long this blog has been up, but if it was in the past it didn’t get anywhere on google.

        So, why is Jill now so unlikeable. I see attacks on Jill and Bobby. Sure everyone can have their opinion and I can have a response if I believe it is valid and I will. I think the attacks on Bobby are sad. Personally I believe it is because people do not want to cut any slack to Jill and Bobby is just collateral damage.

        But, to attack Jill on everything from husband to child to anything and not even think, wow this is only a human being is just plain sad. I feel bad for her and for the people of this blog.

        None of these people are all bad or good. They truly aren’t. If you were to actually have them as one of your friend and I don’t mean to meet at a book signing, but actual have them as a friend you don’t know if Bethenny or Ramon or Jill would be a real friend to you. You just don’t.

        • desertgal66 says:

          One that is a generalization that I Hate Blogs have been up since the Internet and not true.

          Oh, please. It most certainly is true. “I Hate So and So” propoganda has existed almost since the beginning of civilization, and segued onto the Internet-and the vast majority of it has been unreasonable and unfounded. Ever heard of the Holocaust? The KKK? Apartheid? The “I Hate Brenda Walsh” newsletter?

          A site dedicated to hating Jill Zarin and really I read through it is only dedicated to hating her is a bias site. I know it and you do, so let us not pretend.

          Who is pretending? A site titled “I Hate Jill Zarin” is clearly a bias site. If you were expecting otherwise, then that was your own misconception.

          However, I can tell you when my grandmother first watched Julia it was not for the novelty, but to learn how to get the bare essentials of French cooking. If you read a bit on her she didn’t want to be a TV personality ONLY, but to impart French Culinary techniques and that is fact would you like link to that I can provide it.

          I’m not going to comment any further on this subject, other than to say that I worked on the research team for Noel Riley Fitch’s renowned biography of Mrs. Child, so I think I can safely say that I am familiar with her background. Thanks so much for offering to provide a link, but since I didn’t comment on Mrs. Child’s professional goals, I’m not clear why you even brought those up.

          While I’m sure your grandmother loved Mrs. Child’s culinary skills, please show me where I suggested that ALL viewers of The French Chef were not interested in the bare essentials of French cooking? Mrs. Child’s personality attracted viewers. The essentials of French cooking attracted viewers. Your grandmother aside, with most viewers, it was not one or the other, but a combination of both that appealed to them.

          What Jill meant it wasn’t for weight loss was that Ally was sent there for her medical condition.

          Viewers watching those episodes based their opinions on what Jill emphasized – and Jill emphasized the weight loss aspect. Even though the primary purpose was rehabilitative therapy for Ally’s arthritis, Jill made that appear as a secondary concern. So she has only herself to blame for the mistaken impression that viewers took away with them.

          For the record, I don’t agree with attacks on Bobby or, especially, Ally. But, each to their own. I’m only responsible for my own actions.

          As Adgirl points out below, people don’t come here to be fair and even handed. If that disappoints you, well, then, go elsewhere or brace yourself for continuing disappointment, because it’s pretty unlikely that you are going to change the tone of this blog.

        • Maxine49 says:

          Ann Lawrence—-“YOU’RE CRAZY—-GO TO SLEEP!”

      • Kokuanani says:

        Oh please, please, don’t encourage this troll [Ann Lawrence, in case this gets buried days after her post].

        She loves the sound of her own [printed] voice so much, she’ll just try to wear us all down by posting inches and inches of column space.

        I need a “speed scroll” or “ignore” button on my computer!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Interesting perspective – hate is a strong word but take it as tongue in cheek please. This forum was created to express an intense dislike for one particular person’s continued behavior. Opinions are expressed, questions are asked and the discussion is usually witty. Everyone speculates on other people’s motives and life style choices. The focus here is Jill Zarin and all things she sprays her personal scent of stink on.

  39. boston02127 says:

    Good morning Kokuanani 🙂

    • Kokuanani says:

      What are you doing up at this hour, Boston. At least in Hawaii, it’s only midnight.

      In mourning over the Celtics’ loss + thus can’t sleep?

      • boston02127 says:

        @Kokuanani~Who are the Celtic’s? (cry cry).
        It’s going to be in the 90’s here today. I figured I’d get out and get some fresh air & exercise before it gets too hot. I can’t stand the hot weather.

  40. Kokuanani says:

    Here are some hysterical comments from the TVgasm blog.

    Why is Jill so emotionally stunted? Oh well. I don’t care anymore. I have more sympathy for her as I do for the spider in the sawdust I just sucked up with my shop vac yesterday. I don’t even care enough to hate.

    Ramona and Bethenny didn’t come [to LuAnn’s “launch party”] either. They didn’t have time to rush out and buy bleach for their eardrums so they decided to stay home and listen to tapes of cats fucking instead. Or those damn horns they blow during the World Cup games in South Africa, I don’t know which is worse.

    I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed LuLu’s performance though. It was full of high classy spoken word etiquette and jazz hand flourishes that would make Sweet Charity proud. She spreads her legs on stage like she’s getting ready to ride her horsey Frenchman through the Hamptons Polo grounds or straddle Sonja’s bidet.

    Tres chic, mon amis! Tres chic!

    She opens that big noble mouth of hers nice and wide like she’s waiting for all the sycophants around her to drop grapes into it and then grinds her hips with a herky jerky motion like she’s making butter for all of Manhattan.

    Team Jill has lost quite a few members since [the beginning of the season, when Jill started all the “Team Jill” crap]. Everyone has left in droves. It’s as if she got halitosis B.O. and beer farts all at once in the school cafeteria and only the most desperate students that smell just as bad have stuck by her.

    • Jillousyness says:

      Omg – that is absolutely one of the funniest comments I have ever read! I laughed out loud and it felt good. Thanks for posting it.

      • vilzvet says:

        Yes that was quite uh colorful! Will have to go read more!

      • Kokuanani says:

        Actually these are snippets from 9 pages of “recap” of the final episode.

        I can’t wait ’til “Trunty” gets to the various reunion episodes.

  41. sweet pea says:



  42. Jillousyness says:

    I would just like to state for the record and as fact that I always try to be respectful and post as gracefully as I can, considering the topic at hand. my friends.

    • boston02127 says:

      @Jillousyness~I think your posts are great.

      • Jillousyness says:

        Thanks, boston. That’s nice of you. I was trying to make a point to Ann Lawrence that she’s not the only one to be respectful and with grace. I think we all are. I always enjoy your posts as well but I think I need to see some id. You are wise and funny beyond your years!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I appreciate that, thank you, Jillousyness!

    • Adgirl says:

      Don’t go there. It locked up my computer 2x.

      • cajpgh says:

        Sorry about that…had no idea that would happen. Comast is my homepage and have never had trouble with it. Again meant no harm – I just enjoyed the writers take on the reunion.

        • desertgal66 says:

          I didn’t have any problem with it, so I’ll post the text of the article here so others can read:

          ‘Real Housewives of NYC’ Reunion Part 3: Point Of No Return
          by Eudie Pak

          Can’t. Take. It. Anymore. Thank the good lawd this freaking ‘Real Housewives of NYC’ reunion is finito! The deluge of estrogen pouring out of the tube last night caused me to jump off my Bob-O-Pedic discounted mattress and pace back and forth doing the Ramona Crazy Eyes. I wanted to break my remote control with my teeth! Argghh!

          Although some of the drama went back to Jill, the majority of the ire was bestowed onto the mentally crippled Sasquatch (Kelly), while the Countess’ segment added some much-needed testosterone into the mix.

          Here are some highlights that’ll make you wish your blood type was Pinot Grigio…

          After Bethenny’s “Humpty Dumpty” comment, Kelly coolly returns to the set to ensure her victimization status is still intact. Although she apologizes to Sonja about labeling her a bully, the latter keeps it real by saying there was no “systematic bullying” and that Miss Mt. Everest derailed their good time.

          According to ‘Team Bully’ across the couch, Kelly didn’t leave Poison Island on her own accord; she was apparently escorted off of it by a fed-up producer, who probably realized she needed to be tranquilized like a rabid animal.

          As the ladies scream about Kelly’s funkdafied actions on the trip, the Jelly Belly Inhaler interjects by saying that Ramona’s “blood type is Pinot Grigio.” Okay, I hate to say it, but one point for the freakazoid. Nice line–even Jill agrees.

          “So you take no responsibility?” asks a disgusted Bethenny. “What is it? Are you so jealous?” Kelly retorts. (Uhh, possessing the mental stability of someone on ‘Shutter Island’ and the body type of a preying mantis aren’t exactly sought-after attributes.)

          Oh, good intentions–how we wuv you! But isn’t there a saying that “The road to hell is paved with good intentions?” And so it seems that it was the red-headed Lawwwng Islander who created that odious road down under when she made the unwelcomed visit to Ramona’s renewal soiree.

          “I went with the right intentions!” Jill screams to Ramona. In response, Kelly quietly picks fleas out of the tips of her hair. Ramona, who’s left eye is blood-shot out of frustration, yells back that she, too, meant no wrong when she rejected her long-time friend. For the third time, the blond jumps off the couch (she claims she’s overheated by her dress; we figure she’s having hot flashes) and grabs Jill’s arms out of rage. She throws out an expletive and declares that Jill could’ve found an opportunity to apologize, dammit!

          Because the redhead has something against people who channel the devil, she goes after Miss Spread Eagle McCord and says she’s the instigator, especially with her scary I-Want-to-Fang-You facial expressions.

          Kelly jumps in and tries to bring the convo back to her; everyone tells her to shut it. She resumes flea-picking and whispers her favorite word “vile” as the ladies continue their scream-fest. Jill wah wahs some more, and Andy decides to move on because he’s about to have hot flashes.

          It’s really reassuring that out of the sea of squeaky, complaining vocal chords, a husky manly smoker’s voice comes forth to add some diversity. Let’s give some gruff shout-outs to the Countess! A lovely montage takes us through her divorce, her dates with the slimy Carson Kressley/Gerard Depardieu look-alike (who is believed by many haters to be a face licker), her hunt for the perfect royal apartment, her studio time with short-of-a-few teeth producer boy Chris Young, and her Cougarlicious affair with the lil’ French Mensch.

          Unbelievably, we discover that the Countess’ craptastic music experiment is one of the top ten downloaded songs in iTunes! “I’m no Mariah Carey, but I can carry a tune,” she says matter-of-factly. The ladies all politely smile but are laughing their bajunka junks off inside.

          Kelly: When Words Get in the Way
          What can we really say about this segment? To say Kelly is a walking contradiction would be an understatement–from acting like a prude one moment to posing on the cover of Playboy; to saying she’s all for PETA but draping herself in fur; to claiming she doesn’t drink but seeing her Patroning it up; and to declaring she doesn’t eat processed foods whilst gorging on gummy bears–this is a 42-year-old woman with the maturity of a 15-year-old girl who’s gone coo coo for Coco Puffs.

          Her response to the indisputable evidence that she’s a whack job? “I’m contradictory, so what? Stop judging me. Just celebrate who I am!” she says, as if everyone except for her belongs on schizo meds. She goes on to say that the bullies a few feet away from her are “unpredictable” (i.e. “dangerous”). By now, Andy’s had it and contemplates going butch on her by breaking her hollow head.

          While some of the Housewives pretend to be “iffy” on returning for another season, we all know they’ll be back–because what would their existence mean if they weren’t in front of our screens for us to holler at? I personally would like a Barbie version of all of them, especially Simon.

          For all you happily-ever-after folks, it looks like there’s a small chance that Beth and Jill will make up since they were all tears and hugs at the end. But who knows? Maybe B’s hormones are still nutso from the baby, and she’ll soon realize that no matter how many latkes Miss Big Mouth makes for her, their friendship really doesn’t have enough hutzpuh to make it through any more Mean Girl storms.

          The moral of the story: Be thankful that you’re middle class and you’re not Kelly. Until next season, my fine furballs, I bid you adieu!

          • That was awesome! Though, I disagree that B & Jizz will make up. B was clear about wanted to separate her new life (husband who dislikes Jill and pure untainted Bryn) from the tsunami of drama that was JZ. Bethenny has strong walls. Takes time for them to come down (maybe minus Jason) but I bet you once you have wronged her and their back up…they’re up for good. She reminds me of someone I know, *cough*…

      • Jillousyness says:

        I went there before your post and I didn’t have any problems. I just checked it again and it was fine. Every computer is different I guess.

      • twoile says:

        I didn’t have any problems.

  43. kats2 says:

    I didn’t see this posted here, Ginger Zarin found it, interesting recap of Kelly

    By the way, I think a person can be half jewish, if this is how Bethenny refers to herself it’s up to her. I know people who do this, it’s done all the time. They basically are not embracing or practicing any one religion but respecting the combo that was passed on to them, just like their nationality. I don’t see what the big deal is.

    • error 404 says:

      kaddoze to Ms Frankel for saying this!

      What really pisses me off about Kiki’s is her attempts to use real issues to distract us form her awfulness.

      Like the simplistic : why do we have to nit pic, why can’t we support each other as women. OMFG! Could you imagine two male politicians with opposing views on a news show suddenly just saying they should lay their ideals aside and celebrate each other as men?!?! Women like Kiki set womankind back 1,000 years.

      And of course the Kiki brand hypocrisy of it all. If anyone on that show doesn’t support her sisters it’s our boy-toy Kiki.

      Celebrate what exactly indeed? Your a high class whore my dear! Mean to other women, user of men, uneducated and unaccomplished, fearful of aging and irresponsible.

      • Vicky says:

        I find it really, really offensive that you call her a high class whore!!! Show me one piece of evidence that suggests any class at all, much less high class.

    • I (@MsBlazeAdams) tweeted this to @Kikilet aka Kelly. Here’s her response:

      Kelly K. Bensimon kikilet

      @MsBlazeAdams i love the huffingtonpost.com article.valerie is sweet to take the time to write about me and bring attention to my projects. about 3 hours ago via web in reply to MsBlazeAdams Retweeted by you

      Nuuuutcasssseeee! Clearly she takes attention for what it is, no matter the tone. Hmph.

  44. Capiche says:

    Regular Posters: Please be careful when new posters show up and start to spew nonsense or make silly arguments about stepfathers, assistants vs. interns and then question our motives for being here. From what we’ve seen so far, I think they’re just trying to get a rise out of Lynn and probably instigate her blog and us by posting clearly FALSE information. I know it is tempting to comment, but if it doesn’t pass the smell test, I try to pass over it.

    • Ann Lawrence says:

      I am not spewing nonsense and Falsities. That is merely your opinion. I am entitled to mine and for that matter I will stay on here as long as I want to just for your edification.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Ann, just to correct you one more time, as many here have done, you will stay one here as long as I allow you to…harassing other posters here is not allowed.

        • klmh says:

          Are you kidding me? Look at other bloggers comments to Ann Lawrence please. Reprimand them as well, to be fair… She is stating her views as others are on this blog and I believe this is the purpose for this site, correct? She is entitled to her opinion, even if it is not supported by others and I don’t read her comments as harassing others. You are making lemons out of lemonade Lynn!

          • LynnNChicago says:

            I believe I just said that she is entitled to her opinion. Maybe you missed MY post? What I don’t appreciate is being argumentative and stating opinion as fact. Starting arguments is harassment.

            • klmh says:

              Many of your posters disagree with you, myself obviously, included. She did not demean or curse others, as other long time posters on this board have done, yet you allow them to keep posting. Your rule, as I understand, is not to hurt other posters with words and she abided by that, in my eyes and in the eyes of several of your long time posters. You are selective in your warnings to those who don’t agree with the masses here, yet want to include all to your site for a more rounded and involved discussion. Be fair.
              You mention further down the blog you questioned her statements as fact, yet forgot to include that in your warning to her. Do you have facts that prove her incorrect? If so, please explain and/or share.
              Thank you.

    • kats2 says:

      I agree and practice the ignore option all the time. And when you ignore – every time they go away because they are not getting the attention and response that they feed off of and are so desperate to get. For me it’s not even tempting to respond because they are so obvious, of course they think they are being clever but it’s really just pathetic.

      • Rusty says:

        Pass by anyone you don’t agree with. This was one of my complaints on a different blog, which I’ve noted was commented on by others here. A new person comes along to say whatever they want to say and if they don’t agree with the majority here . . . they get verbally beat up and eventually leave feeling bad. This is what I meant by “no one new is welcome there”. Get it? Yes, of course, it’s a sweeping generalization but if you don’t like what someone has said . . . keeping reading the next post instead of barking at someone that they can and should leave. THAT’S unwelcoming. Why have such a tight, little club?

        This place should be about fun. Anyone who expresses a non-majority opinion is marked a troll. I’ve seen the code language. For God’s sake – WHO CARES? Move to the next post. My only complaint about Lynn was only that she wouldn’t ban the person who was at the eye of every storm on here – Otay. This is a great place when there is no chaos or verbal attacking. I’m even willing to welcome Otay if she behaves. I saw that she posted nicely yesterday and who knows . . . she/he may be Damien. Who cares. Keep reading the next post or step away for a while to cool off. I like what Adgirl says . . . we don’t come here to be mature but not every post has to be addressed or commented on if you don’t like what someone has said.

        • The Digger says:

          Excuse me while I gag, Rusty. You wrote this crap on another blog? Own it. It is who you really are. The only person the clock has run down for is you. You spew bullshit about the posters here and about the blog owner and now your other party closed down so you are back? Ummmm, don’t think so. Game doesn’t work that way. Welcome mat has been rolled up. Run along now.

          Your post:
          Rusty 21 hours ago
          What’s mindboggling to me is the amount of time each day the IHJZ peeps are on the website. Sunrise to sunset and then into the night or early, early the next day. The continual talk of “trolls” goes on and they are all on high alert for those nonexistent but perpetual trolls. Keep hunting Girls. Episodes are watching again and again. Episode words are copied down to make certain they can be included exactly right in their next postal web-rant. Postal is right. Now they are hating on just about every cast person at Bravo. In fact, I laughed out loud one day when they were truly hating BRAVO itself and brewing something. Oh yes . . . I think Lynn wrote to Andy expounding on just what she would do if Bravo continued to do this or that. That might work for ya Lynn. My Heavens but your sense of self is so powerful in your own mind and those of your wee and mouthy minions .
          No one new is really welcome there. Just a lot of the same old, crabby, grizzly posters who continually confirm to each other that they have each other’s back. High five.
          As I’ve said before at Cleo’s Mommys site, it all was so much fun at the beginning. Full of bright, witty posters dishing what felt like snappy snark. It jumped the shark big time and very quickly. I will forever be curious (ok – one more week tops) why Lynn allowed Otay to continue to post while others were strictly forbidden.
          Here’s to your 15 minutes Lynn. Cheers. Clock’s running down.
          Oh . . . it’s been excitedly announced by Lynn and cheered enthusiastically by the crew, that she will be hating on the Big Brother cast next.

        • Jenni says:

          Some very good points Rusty.

        • damien says:

          Not for anything, after otaypanky got tossed, he/she at least had the decency to defend this site and lynn from rusty and cleo.
          otay did not turn on lynn or any of the other posters here on other sites.
          otay did not change his/her mind about jill, lynn or this blog.
          At least, otay knows how to stay true to what otay believes no matter the circumstances.
          Not you rusty. You dragged this blog through the mud on any site you could find.
          You are a fake and do not have the courage of your convictions.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Your advice is sage! No one on this site who is a regular will change their opinions, those who want this to happen are blowing wind up their own skirts. I zip through those comments that are of no interest to me and I will refrain from commenting to them directly!

    • Squirrels says:

      This is way above my pay grade.

    • twoile says:

      Thank you for the reminder!!!!!!

  45. Adgirl says:

    I don’t come to this site to be mature and even handed. It’s pretty clear what we are about here. We were turned off about a TV cast member’s over the top behavior. Many of us use to like that cast member so were especially offended by her.

    I ignore the rantings by the drive-by newbies. I love to hear eveyone’s comments, especially new posters. even if I don’t agree. It’s the condesending scolding that I speed over then scroll down the page.

    • Jillousyness says:

      Lesson learned, again. lol.

    • Ellabean says:

      Hear , hear Adgirl. As a fairly newbie here with occasional posts – not nearly as snarky and witty and as insightful as many (that I love to read!)….very much agreed.

  46. Jenni says:

    Thank you Ann, for your thoughtful comments.

    I don’t think the word “intern” implies anything about payment. Where I work, interns are definitely paid for their service.

    Definitions of intern on the Web:

    • work as an intern; “The young doctor is interning at the Medical Center this year”
    • an advanced student or graduate in medicine gaining supervised practical experience (`houseman’ is a British term)

    An intern is someone who works in a temporary position with an emphasis on on-the-job training rather than merely employment (SIH-199), making it similar to an apprenticeship. …

    internship – A job taken by a student in order to learn a profession or trade

    • Ann Lawrence says:

      Here you are on the MD internship. I am bad at navigating this site and wrote a response to on another area.

      I think you mention Princeton and I went to Princeton as an undergrad – biomedical engineering. I did an internship at J&J I was paid 750/wk, but that is not commensurate pay for the exact job title I was doing. It was far below market value.

      Further, as one going on to L2 I at NYU Law (Lisa’s school) I am doing a summer associate position at a large law. I am receiving only around 1,200/wk it has other perks in their, so it does go up a bit, but now commensurate for the work of a FTE lawyer by several folds.

      To me internship not a FTE. I used incorrect wording saying unpaid, but to me less than going rate is actually unpaid, so I said behind what I said.

      As for Max on Bethenny’s FB site he is unpaid and an intern. It was stated I think by Max himself.

      As for MD, their internship is very different. They already are doctors and licensed having completed USMLE1 & 2, but they are paid less than min. wage. I think that is slavery, so I would say unpaid to that as well.

      Chalk it up to me being spoiled in my venacular. It is what is it.

      • The Digger says:

        I used incorrect wording saying unpaid, but to me less than going rate is actually unpaid, so I said behind what I said.

        Less than going rate for a job is not UNPAID. When money exchanges hands then someone is being PAID. Fact.

        • anutha hata says:

          I’m pretty sure that Max is paid to be on the show, in my book, that counts as paid.
          I’m still waiting to have my question answered about if people are paid for those Bravo blogs.
          Actually, any time someone is paid money, it means they are paid!
          This is really silly-you remind me of Kelly with your contradictions.

          • LynnNChicago says:

            No, the bravolebrities are provided a blog but are not required to write a blog and are not paid for their blogs. I think the majority of them enjoy writing them because they get to add their 2 cents to the show.

      • Bosandi says:

        I’m sorry but I have to respond to the MD “internship” which is called a residency and after residency is a fellowship. Fellowships are for MDs who want to gain further training in their chosen specialization. Both are paid positions. Residents earn between 45k-50k per year with full benefits. According to ACGME guidelines residents cannot work over 40 hours per week. This governing board is very strict and learning institutions/hospitals that voilate their rules stand to lose their accreditation. 45k is a mere drop in the bucket compared to their future earnings is a far cry from minimum wage. However, they are getting paid to learn in some respects.

        Further, a resident does have a medical license but one with many restrictions b/c they are still learning. It is what it is.

  47. HD says:

    Thank you, Lynn for addressing the issue with DLA and thank you, IceNFire for taking notice of her behavior. I thought I was having a Kelly moment when I read her comments to me. 🙂

    A nice recap of the show, Lynn. I have issues with this show that I have not been able to put my finger on yet so I hope that opposing views of BGM? are welcomed throughout the next few weeks that it airs.

    As for the wedding planner, I am lost on why she would hire him. He seems like he has no clue who she is and what she wants. Someone mentioned her assistant being an intern and not a paid assistant. I must have missed that. He will grow into his position and will grow quickly if he is working for Bethanny. She seems like she wants things a certain way and when you pay the cost to be the boss you can be that way. I am going to keep watching this show because I like Bethanny and perhaps it will grow on me.

    • error 404 says:

      Re: Wedding Planner.

      She’s planning a wedding in a month, and has to have a professional with celebrity experience that Bravo approves, doesn’t have any conflicts like his own show, is willing to be filmed, and criticized endlessly, and has the time to drop everything and do this, and is camera friendly, doesn’t have a partner who objects to the business being associated with trashy Reality TV, etc… I’m surprised they found anyone!

      It’s well know that Bravo dictates where they film, where they can and can not go for their “I invited you here to tell you I’m not speaking to you. Wanna talk about it?” lunches, etc… and It’s a good thing that B’s “dream” is the 4 Seasons, as it just so happens to be a Bravo approved filming venue.

      The poor guy probably took one look at how bitchy Jen Shillbert trashed Ramona’s planner and immediately called up his lawyer to see if it was too late to back out of the contract. I’m waiting for someone to do an article about how appearing on Reality TV ruins everyone’s business. That poor woman! For an entire 18 months she now has to spend the first 10 minutes of every consult assuring her potential clients that there will be enough food served and that the guests won’t get bored and drunk. Did I mention I hate Hen Bitchbert?

      How about the poor wedding dress place that B & Carol trashed as too Vegas, slutty, etc… Please! If this was RHoNJ Teressa and Jac would have been all over it like red on sauce!

  48. Olivia says:

    Jill Zarin is desperate to be noticed. The question is why. She has nothing to offer beyond a big mouth, an overrated sense of entitlement, a vindictive nature, and an overriding ability to make trouble.

    She is begging the “fans” to excuse her behavior and elevate her once again to the status of “beloved” as she continues to slog her way through life pretending to be somebody of importance.

    She has no visible talents that would encourage viewers and spends a great deal of time online reading about herself and fighting to regain the spotlight. Her entire persona is based solely on her appearance as part of an ensemble that essentially features a group of women flitting between the Hamptons or NYC. That’s it.

    What would be lost if she does not return? Nothing. What would be gained if she does. Again, nothing. She lives solely for the publicity, eagerly seeking out any venue that will feature her whining voice and dissing her castmates. Beyond that she has virtually nothing of value to offer.

    We take shots at her based on the premise that she has invited most of it all by her own appearances and the need to turn clothe herself in “relevance” and should not be rewarded for behaving as if she were entitled to be treated as a performer of value.

    She is nothing but a far reaching “Z” Lister with a penchant for celebrity. And she has demonstrated that she will break any boundaries in her need to maintain that status. Her “importance” rests chiefly in her own mind.

    • error 404 says:

      the economy is bad and Bobby has an old school business… he’s no Morgan Heir, or a Microfinancier, or a celebrity photographer whoring himself all over reality TV…

      She sold them on the idea that she’d bring in clients… would you buy from them now?

      Lisa aslo has a reputation, a small one, but one non the less. Now her book is in the toilet and her show has to stay popular to stay on the air… I hope she core fans stay loyal, because I doubt she made many new ones with this little venture out toward national identity.

      • Ann Lawrence says:

        Bobby’s business is most definitely hurt, but you do know that he own many of the commercial buildings in around the area of Zarin’s. He has so much money he doesn’t need to work ever. He never did when the 90s came around. His networth is way over the 50M marker, so he has nothing to worry about and neither does Jill.

        As for Lisa, her husband has plenty of money she doesn’t need any more. She is fine as well.

        I believe Real Housewives of NY will live on and flourish. If Jill goes it sink. People watched this season to hate her and they will watch for redemption.

        • Katiecoo says:

          She can’t be redeemed in my eyes. She displayed far too much of her Narcissism for my taste and she was utterly textbook about it. I watch the replays of past seasons I missed and see it now with new eyes. As far as Jill goes, I only watched the reunion hoping she could get her comeuppance, not redemption and that’s the only thing gratifying about watching her anymore. I’m not interested in the BUZZ KILLS but the FUN GIRLS.

        • The Digger says:

          What buildings does Bobby Zarin own? Please provide a list. Please provide a link or documents showing Bobby Zarin’s worth to be over the 50M marker. Please provide proof of the worth of Lisa’s husband.

          Since you work for these people or have some tight connection to these families these documents should be easy to provide.

          • HD says:

            I want to know how Ann knows all of this too. She said her parents had a house in the Hamptons. Maybe they are friends or something.

        • The Digger says:

          My reply was to Ann Lawrence.

        • Scorpiosue says:

          There is no redemption for someone who has gone after TWO people and their livelihood. I think it is absolutely disgusting to go after someone i.e. Bethenny who has no one else. If she fails she has nothing. Then with Alex and Simon they are parents. If they fail so do their children. Jill only sees the target on those people and not that they are people with real feelings and real family. Jill said she cannot change and she is who she is so how can she possibly redeem herself?

          • Bosandi says:

            Most of these women seem to have had some sort of career before and outside of their husbands. Bethany=chef/cook, Ramona = something with Macy’s, Sonja = glorified hostess/ambassador, Kelly = model, LuAnn = catalog model(?), Jill = ??

            Did Jill have a career outside of Zarin fabrics and before she married bobby?

        • Squirrels says:

          If nothing else, this site is not for those who post allegations. Every poster here knows enough to back up their words with fact. Don’t even go there.

        • HD says:

          I won’t watch for her redemption. I think she is done. Some things you just can’t come back from. Jill will always be Jill to me and when she attempts to act sincere or even apologize it comes off fake because in the next breath she will say something evil. You can only wear a mask for so long. Her mask fell off on that show.

      • Quincy IL says:

        Jill’s book had appeal to a very limited audience, the women that Bethenny spoke to in New Jersey. People around here wouldn’t be interested in Jill’s approach to life. Frankly, I don’t respect Jill’s mother so why would I care about her words of wisdom. I’m not serving those recipes to my family either.

        Bethenny’s books have more universal appeal.

        I bought Alex’s book because I like Alex.

        • error 404 says:

          It was definitely a niche market book, and probably would have done ok had it not been so poorly written and really, Jill’s antics totally killed any chance it had.

          It’s true folly to think that any RH show depends on one HW. I know that Jill thinks it will go down in flames without her, and I know why she thinks that: she was a driving force in getting it on the air. But now that it’s up and running, it’s got a life of it’s own, and she can no longer control it. Bravo did her no favors when editing time came around. Bethenny has definitely pulled an Eve Carrington to Jill’s Margo Channing. Her pet project has slipped from her grasp. Game over.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          I read Jill’s book, I reviewed and I stand by my opinion – it wasn’t a good read, it contained no advice any mother or mentor would give and at times it was offensive to me personally because I don’t agree with how women should act. Please, enough with the book! Look at sales and reviews -they speak for themselves and likely many reviewers don’t watch the show!!

        • IMJ says:

          Thats because Jill’s approach to life involves laying on your back for a rich guy (sorry I had to say it)…

      • Quincy IL says:

        I’m surprised that Bethenny is going for a face cream brand. She must know something that we don’t know about that industry. Ramona must have made money.

        Jill is going to do a bedding line? She probably can sell some sheets in NYC. A dollar is a dollar.

        • error 404 says:

          I think both the book and the bedding are good ideas, but they have two main problems: timing and quality.

          Had she come out with each over a year ago, they would have sold better. Back when she and B were climbing into bed in the hamptons to gawsippp, and Gloris was giving B advice, THAT was the time to have such things on a shelf.

          Also, one of the books biggest problems is not the concept, but the execution. Poorly written with bad advice. After that, who expects the sheets to be of high quality? We’ve seen Zarin fabric on the show as much as Bravo will allow, and so far, what we’ve seen looks like crap to me.

          • Squirrels says:

            I can’t wait to find out the sheets are woven by impoverished children who are doing their part to bring their village out of desperation.

            • Squirrels says:

              “OH…and the first $20 per sale… no wait…. $10… hold on… ????? Ok. For the first person to pay $10 for a California King set, Zarin Fabrics will donate 10%… of the net of course… not the gross! Don’t be silly… honkkkk honkkkk.”

              • Squirrels says:

                “Oh, and BTW, the thank you we have coming for our most generous offering had better be A1-above the fold in the NYT. Or at least USA Today. OK, fine, AARP. Whatever” Jill Zarin

  49. kats2 says:

    Rewatch of the reunion is painful but you do catch the little things and I have to say the looks on Jill’s face mostly towards Alex are just disgusting, it screams who the real Jill is and just how vile of a person she can be. I still don’t get what Alex did to her and all I can come up with is that Jill and Luann always treated Alex as if she was beneath them and Jill feels she did some major favor to Alex and LET HER in or around Jill’s BS social world, but Alex would never be allowed messing up or not behaving correctly or off with her head (I’m sure it’s similar to how Jill and Luann treat thier “Servants”). So Alex spoke her mind, told Jill off and it’s now off with her head, Jill is on a mission to destroy Alex.

    • IMJ says:

      This is one of my issues with Jill. Alex delivered a message from Bethenny. Jill forgives Bethenny but not Alex. Its like she has to have someone to hate.

  50. Olivia says:

    It is probably the best advice to just judge these series with a more jaundiced eye. Most of these “stars” have something to sell: books, cd’s, beauty products, videos, booze, sheets, and jewelry. They become their own “pitchmen” and without this show becoming a vehicle no one had ever heard of them before.

    Not saying that making money is a bad thing. Not at all. But we are being “sold” a product nonetheless when it comes to their individual “branding”. They are willing to be showcased, filmed, and edited in the hopes of plumping up their bank accounts. Alex had admitted that she was “approached” to write a book which mitigates the fact that the book came solely from her desire alone.

    We are not watching “true talent” at work as much as we are being “pitched” to buy into the product they serve up. Theresa and the cookbook as an example. Something tells me that this was presented to her as a way to make money rather than her need to share recipes on her own. They are capitalizing on their name recognition because just as we do not need one more skin care product to flood an already saturated market, then the same can be said one more cook book taking up shelf space.

    • error 404 says:

      I think most of us flounder when we have describe who we are in a sentence. It’s hard. So I have to give it to these women for branding themselves so well. Some are more successful than others, but…

      Bethenny: natural living guru
      Ramona: sexy and successful independent woman
      Jill: jewish mother hen/den mother
      Lulu: posh Countess
      Kelly: taste maker
      Alex: hip young urban mom
      Sonja: ultimate hostess

    • HD says:

      That is very true. And piggybacking off what you said, they know to strike while the iron is hot before that 15 minutes winds on down. Jill could have had a good thing going with her product but she killed the brand. What will carry Bethanny over is her liquor, not her books, not her work out DVD’s or any of that. She has a product that will certainly sale. Woman drink and woman want to be skinny. That will never change. Books and DVD’s come and go but even in a recession people still buy liquor. And if you tell me I can drink a margarita with few calories, count me in!

  51. jean says:

    Come on everyone, quit engaging this ann lawrence. It needs to get its own site, they are trying to take over and own this one. Ignore this turd and let it die for lack of response.

    • Jillousyness says:

      Agreed. I stepped into it without realizing. The constant taunts of ‘block me’ if you disagree threw me.

      • damien says:

        I like her comments. They are relevent, informational and she has a slightly different opinion of some of the other people here. I do not feel offended by anthing she stated.
        But, each to his/her own.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I’m not bothered by Ann’s comments either, I don’t see how reading someone elses perspective diminishes mine.

    • Kokuanani says:

      Thank you, Jean.

      What gets me is that she takes up inches and feet of column space with her rants.

      • IMJ says:

        It sounds like Jill Zarin or Ally or someone from her camp in disguise. Why else would she be posting on a hate site trying to get people to like JZ?

    • Maxine49 says:

      Jean, you are right…no more attention to the attention whores…and an obvious Zarin plant. Enough!

  52. Capiche says:

    I quite enjoyed this episode of BGM? I must say my favorite scenes from the series are those with Cookie and with B’s therapist. I find the dog and her behavior very amusing…I am such a dog person…and I am really interested in B’s story. I’m not so much a B fan, so I don’t know much about her family life like many of you. But from what I’ve heard on this blog and other readings, I am rooting for her. And I really don’t think her snark persona is a symptom of her family life that much. It’s just very NY. And that whole thing about not giving dogs attention when they bark…IT WORKS! My dog was a yappy little critter and when she was a puppy and yapping for attention, I just went into my room and shut the door. In about two weeks, she stopped. Even now, she only barks when someone new comes over or she sees another dog.

    As for reunion part 3, I really had to go to sleep after that barrage of Kelly-speak. It truly gave me a headache. And I was drinking earlier that evening. Kelly should not be listened to while under the influence, let me tell you! But the whole reunion left me unsatisfied. I must agree with everyone about the whole Amazongate issue being left out. That’s what led me to this site. Jill being a bitch on television is one thing, but actually THREATENING a reviewer (a normal, neutral person helping out all of us who use Amazon to purchase books) who dared to say her book sucked revealed to us all the evil that she is. And I think that’s a major reason why Jill’s popularity fell so sharply. Yes, many reasons were because of the B feud, but no so much for me. B can definitely handle her own against the clueless Jill, but this ego that Jill has developed with this fake stardom she believed she has attained was the final straw for me!

    As for who should return, I think Kelly is done. I can’t imagine why they would bring her back. She confused and annoyed me in Season 2 and now she confused, annoyed and frightened me in season 3. And I’m still not sure what LuAnn brings to the table, especially when she admitted she was putting on a persona or “saving face” for the cameras. She’s just not real to me! This is a reality show and it’s one thing to be a little overdramatic but give us a little bit of who you are! Who can say they have come to know LuAnn any better since season 1? She’s not the new Emily Post of class as she claimed in season 2, nor was she this happy countess with 16 years of marriage in season 1. And this season? All over the place! From Jill’s new BFF to a Madonna-wannabe, to those silly attempts at dating, to trying to be the neutral party following the events of the VI trip…Will the real LuAnn de Lesseps please stand up?!

    • Katiecoo says:

      Ya know, I know it’s contraversial but I’m willing to give the Countess another looksee. Primarily because of 2 things: (ok 3): a. She WAS going thru hell this last year and we all know going thru a breakup is hard, I can’t imagine publicly humiliating for her, many years, kids, infidelity, etc. We all act somewhat nutty going thru that period. b. I never under estimate the power of the Narcissist’s manipulation (personally would love to see Luann really deal with how Jill used her ALL season under the false pretense of B knowing about Bobby’s cancer blah blah blah–it was all a LIE Luann..how do you feel about that? and c. I did think she looked very “alive” and much more centered in reality at the reunion filming…and agree w/ bethenny she seems much happier w/ her new bf. Get her away from Jill and I think we could just see a fun Luann.

      • Jillousyness says:

        I might have to agree with you Katiecoo. I think she saw with clearer eyes what was going on after the fact. She also didn’t know (?) that Kelly was escorted home from St. John (heck we knew before the Countess). Sonja has also said very recently that she’s now closest to LuAnn off camera. Maybe she can be rehabilitated. I’ll trade a LuAnn for Kelly any day.

      • error 404 says:

        I vote for Lulu too.. but for different reasons. She’s comic relief. Always has been.

        Season one she played the happy housewife, as she abandoned her kids on Taco night to go out drinking with a niece half her age. Her mouth may have said “happy housewife”, but her body said “God if I was young again I’d down this shot, walk up to that hunk over there, grab his crotch and say something filthy!”. I think the day Noel was conceived was the last time the Count and Countess of Nothing saw each other naked.

        Season Two: her marriage in shambles, she was desperate to parlay the shows success into financial independence. “People seemed to be making a big deal out of the title, so I might as well use it for what it’s worth while I still got it.” So she went around giving etiquette advice to everyone out of one side of her mouth, while the other said one rude thing after another.

        Season three: Countless and trying to make herself relevant. I think she was honest when she said she tries to stay out of it but gets dragged in. Every intrusive thing she did and said was as one of Jill’s messengers. Her rep took a big hit at Jill’s hands, and I’m flabbergasted at how many people thing she butted in. Jill uses people. Forget 4 PR consultants. Jill has half of Manhattan working for her… her family, newspapers, bloggers, friends, a TV station, she’s got like a mini empire of revenge going. Poor Lulu was a foot soldier, caught int he cross fire. Sorry, but I actually think she would have walked in Blyn Fashion Week if Jill hadn’t talked her out of it, and her refusal to go on Ramona’s trip could have really been a refusal to ruin it as per Jill’s request.
        She may not be Madonna, but please, in this day and age of Miley Cyrus and American Idol, she’s hardly the only person spewing trash over the airwaves.

        • Capiche says:

          I hear you all, but I still don’t know about Luann. I don’t hate her. She’s just there. What I do like and I do think she’s good at is those condescending insults with a derisive laugh. But then she runs around begging people for apologies because someone referred to her as countless. I don’t like that. She appears to be thick-skinned and oblivious to what people say about her but then begs for people to address her hurt feelings. Which is it? Sometimes I think she gets it – the show, that is – by putting on airs about being the fourth wife of a count but then other times I’m thinking is she really that way? Does she really care that B called her a snake? but not insulted when Jill tells her “you’re going to be giving away those CDs.” That would be more insulting to me. Jill is her friend. B, not so much. Just don’t know about her.

          • error 404 says:

            This is my take: Lulu had a fabulous youth.. running around Milan, getting a lot of action, partying hard… she really lived it up.

            But she’s smart enough to know that all parties have to end, and that either you spend your middle years as an overworked under-appreciated nurse with a growing rear end, or you marry the rich old bastard and hope you give him a heart attack in bed one day.

            The Countess is her public mask. The trouble is, she’s still pretty party girl Lulu who snorts coke off some underwear model’s abs, trapped inside the body of a middle aged UES rich bitch, and “Lucia” (as her Italian beaus used to a call her back in the day) still peaks out for a look see.

      • Scorpiosue says:

        I don’t mind LuAnn either. I take part of her behavior as her embracing the awful Jill Zarin as a good friend and confidant. Unfortunately for her, Jill is a cancer. Her spitefulness takes over anyone that is near her. I always saw LuAnn as ah…snooty?, but not necessarily mean. She TRULY believes all that manners stuff even if hers are not always up to par. Yet when she’s with Jill the cancer starts to spread.

        The reunion was a bit telling with the Countess. I always saw her as very stoic, but saw her as someone that does get their feelings hurt. Also, if you watch her next to Kelly….she wasn’t having any of her crazy. When Kelly would say something to her or look at her LuAnn would just look forward. Interesting.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Countass took off her blinders during the reunion – while she still is trying to be diplomatic where it concerns Jill, her silence and lack of camera time was very telling – she wants to sit on the other couch and now will have to use all her tools to get there gracefully and without getting hit by Jill’s crap in the process.

          • error 404 says:

            Jill and Lulu openly laugh in Kiki’s face on a regular basis. Like everything out of Kiki’s mouth, the bullying by the other team bs is pure freebased nonsense.

            Lulu overreacted to both “countless” and “snake”, perhaps because as Sonja said, divorce is a big blow to one’s self esteem. But she let both go and made up with both B and R, and even Mario.

            Kiki will go to her grave claiming anyone who doesn’t worship at her alter is an evil bully. If she could actually speak a full sentence, she’d make a great Right wing Republican talk host.

            Jill takes no prisoners. She won’t rest until B and Alex are destroyed. She’s like a Disney villain.

            • lillybee says:

              I also think that Jill will turn on Lulu if she and Sonja hang out together. I would like to see them do cougars in the city next season.

              • IMJ says:

                Jill is the ultimate manipulator. If your not smart, you can fall into the trap of a manipulator. She basically twisted the whole Jill and Bethenny fight and had LuAnn pick a side. Now she wants to be friends with B.

      • @Katiecoo I agree regarding Lulu. She may be able to redeem herself but it will have to be a Jizz’s expense. Kelly’s too.

    • Quincy IL says:

      I believe that Jill did yell at people at Amazon. Look at how she screamed at Ramona and how she was vile about Alex’s photos.

      Why is Kelly’s Playboy shoot more arty that Alex’s privat photos? Jill has a safe full of provocative/sexual photos and tapes (according to Jill herself.) Are they all arty…?

      Jill and Luann wanted Kelly on their team so she can do no harm. Alex was with Bethenny and is still the enemy today. That’s Jill Zarin and the Zarin way of friendship.

      • Squirrels says:

        I wish I had all those provocative photos of me when I was 24… dayum….

        Oh , sorry… off topic…. carry on….

    • Jennifer says:

      I re watched part three again and I think made a point of making sure Kelly cleat said she thinks the other women are dangerous, because he wants to make sure when he fires her he uses her own words….. Or do I can hope!

  53. floridagirl88 says:

    Re the Ann Lawrence poster, it never fails to amaze me how people find this site and then criticize it. And then want to change the nature of it because they don’t like what they found. I mean in all of the Internet, they landed here and want to take issue. We are all united in our dislike of JZ. Yes, we do like to talk about it because it’s fun! It’s like we were all having fun and playing well together and a KKB showed up and accused us of systematic bullying and hoarding satchels of gold left behind by Al Sharpton.

    • moriasheehan says:

      you said it sister, i was a bit shocked that my post about max would generate such a strong response (this is me being polite). i do not remember if B said she was hiring interns, i assumed he was getting paid by bravo if not B. i have only been posting a short time and was not sure about responding so i decided not to as i am a peace loving hippy. i will say that the insistence of the poster to say how young she is, strikes a false note. also lots of lemons from lemonade phrases.
      it is funny that in all the posts i’ve read, only a very few posters come across as vituperative and antagonistic.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        We all bring our own experiences to this forum. Many corporations have internships – my husband’s firm has summer interns – they are paid $45K or more and the ones the firm deems promising (as in likely to give them an entry level position when they finish their degrees) also get their tuition taken care of! As for Max, paid or not he is part of BGM? and will likely have many more options and opportunities because of it! You go Max!

      • desertgal66 says:

        Me! Me! I’m antagonistic! But, only when I’m ducking the winged nuts, and because I’m, well, “elderly”. 🙂

      • lillybee says:

        Greetings from another peace loving hippie.

    • Squirrels says:

      A shark won’t hang around without a food source.

  54. Katiecoo says:

    OMG running out for my day but I learned today that some think Mario is “elderly”! LMAO! If that’s the case, I need to start searching out some old folk’s homes for dudes to date! Raow!

    Bye for now…..and I don’t think there is an ignore feature on here or block for that matter. I don’t need it cuz I play nice and I STILL think Bobby Zarin’s behavior on this show (primarily the first season and his behavior toward Ally) is GROSS! And a few other adjectives. what IS he doing on his cell phone constantly when he’s with family and on camera?

    • error 404 says:

      If the very ‘doable” Mr Singer is elderly, then I’m trolling the local senior center for tricks from now on! LOL

    • error 404 says:

      ITA about greassy Bobby… starting off with middle aged men who still go by Joey, Bobby, Jimmy, etc… leave it on the set of Sopranos please.

      His nice image seems to reside in the fact that neither B or Alex want to puke at the sight of him.

      But I will give him one thing: the man seems to have a pathological aversion to being in the same room as his wife! This is something we two have in common. lol

  55. Gina says:

    Ann Lawrence – I’m just curious why you would come to a I HATE JILL ZARIN blog
    and then play devil’s advocate by sticking up for Jill, Bawby, step parent relation ships. chef vs cooks etc. This blog is not called JILL ZARIN IS ONLY HUMAN.
    As Sonja would say waving her hand across her face, “Don’t you get it?” This is a fun
    blog to blow off some steam. This is our water cooler time to discuss anything we want about RHONY. Please change your name to Debbie Downer.

    • moriasheehan says:

      LOL on the debbie downer

    • Anitabee says:

      Hi Gina:

      This is what Jill’s flying monkeys do — make messes. The only way they will stop is when the wicked witch melts.

      This particular flying monkey is special. She is especially delusional that anyone believes the poop she is posting. She been on this board before posting under different names.

      As Nany Grace says, “different verse – same as the first”.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Alright – Ann is entitled to her opinions as we all are. What she won’t get here are converts, agreement or validation! They all fly away eventually!

      • desertgal66 says:

        They’re not flying monkeys. They’re winged nuts.

    • IMJ says:

      She a JZ lackey, probably knows the old crow herself…

  56. coocoopuffs78 says:

    I know I should be ignoring certain individuals on this blog that like to be disruptive and down right rude but it’s hard. It’s rare that I get a free moment away from my kids to read the latest posting so please stop clogging up this site with your rants. The people that post regularly are open minded and very tolerant of different opinions but it’s obvios that some people came on here with an agenda. Bravo has a wonderful variety of blogs and discussion boards on their site. Feel free to join Ann!

  57. jenni says:

    @LYNN- New header that you may use if you wish….


  58. WindyCityWondering says:

    With Season 3 in the can, I wish to thank the editors of RHONY – their job had to be a nightmare! Wise viewers know we only got the tip of the iceberg but the damage from below will reverberate for months to come. I also wish to thank all the ladies on their fine performances – we have seen you grow comfortable enough with the format to let your true colors finally show. A queen was rightfully crowned and now we get a closer look at her life. A queen was dethrowned and it wasn’t pretty! The court jester was unmasked at well. As for the only titled lady – she is down for the countass. New ladies in waiting are a breathe of fresh air, but to them I say beware the detrowned, who’s rank behavior she will never own.
    Combined or solo, you all gave us a grand show – now off to your summer castles to renew, refresh and plot your next moves.

    • error 404 says:

      Sorry, but Georgie Miniver will never get his cummupance.

      Jill and Kiki won’t lose anything because they have nothing. Oh, I suppose they have things, real things they could lose: Jill could get divorced and Kiki could lose custody of her kids… but I doubt it. Neither of them have any kind of spokes deals or “jobs” so to speak. Kiki isn’t swirling her greasy hair for L’Oreal, because basically, she isn’t worth it. Jill isn’t the face of Kodak, no matter how hard she tries to be. No, they have “charities” and that’s it. In Kiki’s case, her charities exist in her fevered brain, and I’m sure Jill will always be able to bully some poor grass roots event into making her the MC of their fund raiser. Life goes on. Even if Bravo fires them, they will give them the courtesy of claiming they quit, and they will go back to living off their husbands.

  59. Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:

    My own humble attempt at blogging this stuff, including a poll: http://gumberries.blogspot.com/2010/06/rhony-reunion-bgm-kathy-griffin.html

    • moriasheehan says:

      i just tried to post with my wordpress id and was told i don’t own that user name. any suggestions

      • error 404 says:

        I had a similar problem.. after 4 or 5 different attempts, I gave up. Sorry.

        Nice blog though.

      • Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:

        Not a clue. I’ll go back & tinker with the options. I’ve had a few other blogs before & never encountered that problem.

  60. error 404 says:

    all this Countess talk has me pining for a good old Ramona defense rant.

    Everyone gets so bogged down in R’s manic behavior that they totally overlook her message.

    In a room surrounded by aging pretty girls, most of whom got what they have on their backs, her core message of independent women not relying on men for their survival is lost between all the cattiness about her eyes, or her hair, etc…

    Despite her mantra of sisters doing it for themselves, she’s the only one on the show who pulled off a long term happy marriage. Why renew after 17 years? Because 5 of the other 6 women are divorced. In classic Lulu fashion, she questions why someone would celebrate 17 years of marriage out on one side of her mouth, while out of the other side reminding us for the 101th time today that she was married for an impressive 16 years. “Exactly, ya dumb drag queen!”

    Also, she’s by far the oldest on the show, and let me tell ay, she ain’t the most haggard looking. She looks real to me. Yeah, she sometimes acts immature, dancing on tables and wearing something low cut, but please… Kiki dresses like a prostitution whore… a prostitution whore half her age! Did you ever notice how prim and proper and almost dowdy Sea dresses. It’s like Freaky Friday.

    • moriasheehan says:

      i like ramona, too and she does look great. if she has injections they are done very well and conservatively as she doesn’t look frozen or over plumped. she can go off on people sometimes but IMO is a sweet person.

    • Jenni says:

      I have never understood the HW and there problem with Ramona renewing her vows after 17 years of marrage. They think 17 is a arbitrary number? Well, so is 10, or 20, or 35. Just because a number is a multiple of 5 or 10 does not make it any less arbitrary.

      Celebrate life while you can! Do not wait and put off your celebration waiting for an arbitrary number! You may not have the opertunity later!

      • Jenni says:

        Sorry all, dang I wish I could spell!

        • damien says:

          So do I. You spell just as you did on all the other blogs taking lynn down and accusing her of criminal behavior.

      • desertgal66 says:

        Well, I agree…partly. The tradition has always been that wedding anniversary celebrations are more commonly marked at multiples of five years – for example, 25 years being the Silver Anniversary, 30=Pearl, 40=Ruby, 50=Gold, and 60/75=Diamond.

        The tradition started in medieval Germany, and the idea was to assign gifts that had a direct connection with each stage of married life. So, these multiples of five years began as arbitrary, but are now an accepted tradition. And it’s a nice tradition, so if folks want to stick with it, that’s cool.

        That said, though, a good marriage is an accomplishment, and, I agree with you that, if a couple wants to celebrate 17 or 29 or 38 or 94 years together, more power to them. The question shouldn’t be “Why?”, it should be “Why not?”

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          An anniversary is very different from a vow renewal. One has traditions many follow and sometimes a vow revewal will be part of that acknowledgement. The other is a sign that a celebration of a marriage and can happen whenever! Ramona was very sincere in her renewal – all facets of her life – her marriage and her feeling for Mario are a big part of who she is! Besides, her renewal journey was the only positive in a season of very bad and strange behavior.

          • error 404 says:

            yes! Ramona took a lot of criticism form the public who doubted her sincerity.

            The same public who bought Jill’s fake feud hook line and sinker. Nobody who was a true friend who have treated B as she did! And her appologies are fake and she’s still bashing B at every chance… yet I’m subjected to reading one tear jerked comment after another all over town about how people wish the two lovebird reunite. I just puked a little in my mouth just typing the words.

      • Quincy IL says:

        Many of the HW were jealous of Ramona’s marriage and relationship with Mario. They seem suited to each other.

    • Capiche says:

      Well, I LOVE Ramona. She’s my fave. And for exactly those reasons. I love her independence and her unabashed message about financial independence for women. My parents had a similar relationship. No abuse, verbal or otherwise, but it was quite apparent that my dad, who is a surgeon, was the breadwinner of the family and my mom, who came from humble beginnings, had to put up with his shit. He never expressly had to say it, but it was there. My mom had to ask my dad for EVERYTHING. It was crazy! Even today, she’s all like “Do you think your father will be upset if he knew how much I spent on…?” Not to say he didn’t love my mother. They’re still together and their love story is actually quite inspiring and wonderful but it always taught me that I’m better off having my own and spending what I have however I want.

    • Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:

      I love me some Ramona. I think her outbursts are due to her upbringing & never learning how to handle stressful situations without going bonkers. Yes, she’s an adult & should know better, but sometimes, it takes seeing how OTT that behavior is to make you realize just how bad it is. Plus now her father has passed away, & that source of aggravation/irritation has gone away. Yes she flew off the handle a few times, but she hasn’t done that as much this season as she did in the past. She looked incredibly upset during part 3; her eyes were red, and all the BS that Jill & Kelly were spouting sent her over the edge.

      I think it’s great that she made her own money & is teaching her daughter to do the same. Sure she lives a high-flying lifestyle, but she’s paying for it with her own money.

      As for Countless’ snide remark, sure she may have been married for 15-16 years, but how many of those years were she & her now-ex screwing around on each other?

      Bethenny has also made her own money & Alex is working on hers too.

  61. moriasheehan says:

    out to lunch sign is now hung in my window

  62. MNSUE says:

    2 things-not sure if they’d been mentioned before.

    There was a twitter from Caroline to B about the JCC host, Elvira so I looked her up. I think Elvira would like to be a housewife (just an observation, not judgement) she and her husband own some huge entertainment venues in NJ. Outerspace themes or something.


    #2 regarding Jill receiving an unusual amt of favorable comments on Bravo’s site. I would agree with whoever said they must be censoring for her. Have you ever seen all the negative comments she gets on Gawker and Jezebel? I bet she would be bummed about that.

    #3 I don’t hold alot of hope that Bravo and/or Andy will remove Kelly from season 4 (or Jill). I had hoped they wouldn’t use the Salahis and yet he has a slick , rationalizing post on Huff Post.

    • error 404 says:

      1. this is very common in Reality TVland.
      Season 1 Jill had her “friend” Marilyn over. M was later a contestant on Bravo’s ‘Launch my Line’
      Season 2 Bethenny was photographed by Devorah Rose for her magazine. DR is currently on ‘High Society’.
      Who will be the breakout star of Season 3? Sonja’s psychic? Courte? Jill’s Vet? LouAnn’s niece already has a show.

    • error 404 says:

      3. my sincerest hope is that Kiki gets her own show. What a f@#$ing train wreck that would be! “Next week, Kelly opens up her SoHo cartwheel store, as DCW plays a visit to the loft.”

  63. Adgirl says:

    I can live with Jill next season if Countess and Sonja lord over her. They are the only ones that Jill feels she is a little “down there” to in comparison. I would just LMAO if Jill loses her Queen Bee position.

    I can just hear Jill’s TH bitching about them!

    Jill on Sonja: “She had DUI, she’s a drunk! I don’t drink! She has one night stands! How dare she not invite me to her soiree?”

    Jill on LuAnn: “I gave her a home when the Count dumped her! She was all alone and I took her in like family (Hmm have I said that before?)! How dare she not bring me to Sonja’s soiree?”

    Jill will be stuck hanging out with Kooky. Hahaha.
    Let’s see how Jill enjoys eating gummi bears and doing finger painting while Bethenny has left them both in the dust and could not care less about either of them.
    Jill acted as surrogate mother to Kooky primarily to use her as a tool to hurt Bethenny. Jill also may have thought Kooky would invite her to some “fashion” parties at her friend Gwyneth’s (maybe Kooky lost your invitation Jill?).

    • error 404 says:

      Sonja has been bending over backwards not to wake up the sleeping beast. Sonja, Alex and Kiki are the only 3 that Jill thinks she didn’t handpick for HER show, and Sonja sees how that went for them. She doesn’t want the bs.

      It’s very telling that one of Jill’s very first THs of the season was one where she claims to have misjudged Kelly, and says it was probably Bethenny’s influence that gave her the false impression. I think we all know that had B not pissed off Mommy Dearest, Kiki would still be on the outs with Jill.

    • Kokuanani says:

      maybe Kooky lost your invitation Jill?

      I dunno, if “Kooky” doesn’t believe in RSVPing, maybe she doesn’t believe in invitations.

    • Jennifer says:

      Good thought- I also could live with Jill if she lost Queen B and they concentrated on Sonja/Luann in that regard

  64. CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

    Thank you to all of you that responded to my crying last night about my disturbed teenage daughter. I felt/feel cared for and supported here, and I appreciate that so much.

    We left last night to stay safe. The professionals came this morning to help. She is with her therapist now and hopefully this episode is over. If it isn’t, she will be taken into custody. We have an appointment for low cost rehab placement next week.

    Thank you, again. To all of you who have been through this, and offered encouragement that it won’t last forever, I appreciate that and I applaud you for having made it through. To those of you are still going through it, my heart goes out to you.

    For anyone who comes to this site and confuses “hating” Jill Zarin with a lack of human kindness or empathy, I can only say that you are 100% wrong about this on-line community.


    • error 404 says:

      I’m glad this resolved itself for the better and please keep strong, you are doing the right thing and should be proud of how you handled the situation.

    • Jenni says:

      Best of everything to you! Stay strong. We will be routing for you and your children.

      • damien says:

        Why did you support rusty and cleo? Why did you post that lynn’s blog was awful and so were it’s members?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      fingers crossed and you are in my prayers!

    • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

      You guys are the best…. thanks for the kind words and prayers. I need them and I appreciate them and I am touched.

    • lillybee says:

      I am so glad you are getting help. I think you are doing the right thing. I am sure that things will be better soon.

    • Squirrels says:

      Choosing a path is never easy. Choosing the correct path damned near impossible. The difference lies in your ability to block out the noise and focus on the task at hand.

      Thinking of you.

    • CdnFillie says:

      Good job Cuckoo..happy for you

    • Char212 says:

      Glad to hear you are ok and that she will get the help she needs and you too. Hang in there. It might get worse before it gets better and she might be mad for awhile but stay strong it does get better.

  65. ms molly says:

    Does Jason look like his mother or what? Spooky!!!!! Loving this show.

    Lynn – yes Kelly tries to copy everything that Bethenny does (so sad) and what let’s everyone know how jealous she is (she has no clue about this) is that whenever Bethenny’s name is mentioned – as usual in a good way – Kellamity goes apeshit.
    Dead Giveaway.

  66. ms molly says:

    I’m so glad to hear that you are ok. You had us worried last night.
    Please keep in touch.

  67. Jen says:


    Posted with a WARNING…:). Unless you are having a slow day (like me), this interview is not worth the 30 min. of your life that you will never get back. The only really interesting thing is that this Kelly interview was done in 2009 and confirms she’s been this way forever. She actually says that she didn’t tell Gilles that she spoke French until after she had ‘sealed the deal’ with him (marriage, I’m assuming). As Kelly says, people don’t need to know everything. So hilarious and so… yep, crazy!

    • error 404 says:

      she talks nonsense, avoids every direct question, and just spins 30 minutes of pure garden fertilizer.

      such a marked contrast to the Bethenny interview where she divulges tons of information about her past.

      • Jen says:

        I would love an interview with Gilles. Why did he marry her?!

        • Adgirl says:

          Can I take a guess?? It’s straight out of a romance novel.

          Beautiful sexy young model from Mid-West refuses to bed lothario photographer without ring & date.

          I am only speculating because of her squeemish reaction to anything sexual. I think she told Bensimon she has very strict morals. She was very pretty and maybe he just had the blue balls for her.
          He didn’t fall in love with her brilliant mind.
          Marry in haste, repent at leisure.

          • Jen says:

            I know that probably is the explanation but seems like after spending any little amount of time with her, he would have thought twice and definately not had kids with her. But I guess lust is as blind as love.

        • error 404 says:

          because they are two pees in a pod.

          • error 404 says:

            It’s like “Say what?!?”

            A snickers bar to anyone who can figure out what the F he is babbling about!

            • error 404 says:

              another classy quote from GB:

              Gilles Bensimon, creative director for Elle and the former husband of Elle Macpherson, says, “Claudia Schiffer is the best example of the rise and fall of a model. For me, we don’t need her. She doesn’t represent anyone alive. After some point, you become a Barbie doll. If you have one more interview with Claudia Schiffer, people say, ‘Again?’ It’s like hearing more about Monica Lewinsky and the President.”

              Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,989517-2,00.html#ixzz0rKQQQAjD

              • Squirrels says:

                His daughters don’t stand a chance with mom and dad. Emancipated? They could rise. Free Ginger and have her pick the girls up on the way.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kelly never really answers any of the questions – like did she get a degree from college, the jewelry design issue, etc. She didn’t go coocoo but she also has incredibly glassy eyes, greasy face and hair attraction. I think the calmness was because no one was there to trigger her lunatic behavior. Agreed, don’t waste 30 minutes.

  68. Adgirl says:

    On Gawker comments:
    By Dream Weaver (rumor about RHNY cast)
    “Inside scoop! I’ve been badgering a friend who works for Bravo (but not RHNY) on who will be back next year.

    She told me that inside word is that Sonja, Ramona and the Discountess will all be heartily asked back.

    They are on the fence about Kelly because she is a “loose cannon” (whatever that means…perhaps she dragged her feet on their staged encounters with Betheny?)

    Jill would be heartily asked back but may not want to come back.

    And Alex and the other woman who were on briefly this past season are both definitely OUT. ”

    I’m guessing Alex would be back if she brought her clown Simon out to play more often but that didn’t happen.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Any reasons given as to why Alex would not be asked back?

    • Jenni says:

      If that is true, Jill is in and Alex is out, I will definately not be watching.

    • MNSUE says:

      I saw this to but someone replied to her post and made a very good case (can’t remember what it was) for why this can’t be true.I.E. if there even is this inside person they are probably being fed this by Jill. It wouldn’t be hard either considering Jill has been their “intern for a day” twice.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      If you check the replies under that entry, the poster also clarifies that this is just gossip, not fact. In other words, it’s speculation that is not necessarily any more informed that what you or I may post.

    • I Can't Stand The Toxicity says:

      I think Jill has something to do with this insider information. The dead giveaway is the information that Alex won’t be back. I think Alex and Jill will come back next year and season 4 will be Jill versus Alex. The producers will take full advantage of the Jill/Alex feud because it will be good for the ratings. Jill will come back if she is asked because she doesn’t have anything else and nowhere else to go. She needs the spotlight and the odds of her being cast on another reality show are slim to none.

      • Gypsy says:

        I think another giveaway is that they’d “heartily welcome Jill back but she’s not sure she wants to.”

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Yes, the conflicts are set up for the next season. Ironically, as I suggested before, Jill’s attacks on Alex have further raised Alex’s profile on the show to that of a protagonist. Regardless of Alex’s other qualities (she’s one of the few people who actually actively listens to others, for example), IMO Jill’s open animosity has made Alex’s return far more likely than not.

        If Alex is asked to return, I suggest Alex may consider sending J a nice muffin basket, perhaps from a SG recipe. 😉 LOL

        If asked to return, Jill likely will go all diva with her demands and then fold (as before?) unless she wants to be relegated to crashing other Bravo “stars” reality shows just to get on camera for a national audience.

      • CdnFillie says:

        I agree wholeheartedly, Jill & Alex will be back next year and that will be the storyline. It was B vs J this year next year A vs J.

      • floridagirl88 says:

        If it’s a Jill troll, then wouldn’t it be kind of stupid to have us all go to the Bravo site and beg to keep Alex? Could Jill really be that dumb? Oops. Answered my own question…

    • Kokuanani says:

      Never forget that jill was an intern @ Gawker.

      I wouldn’t give this speculation the time of day. it’s her PR folks at work again.

    • Squirrels says:

      I need confirmation. Sorry, but I do.

    • Free Ginger (formerly known as wolverinedg) says:

      Dead giveaway that this was planted by Jill: “Jill would be heartily asked back.”

      • here's the thing says:

        That gawker commenter is not a Jill plant. If you click on their name, you can see they comment on Gawker frequently. Do you folks read Gawker besides the recaps? Nothing is sacred there and they can not be bought. Gawker would never let themselves be bought by Jill Zarin or any other celebrity, this was the same company that said “Fuck you” to Steve Jobs when they bought that stolen iPhone a few months ago. They do not give a shit about housewives.

        The intern thing is something they do to essentially mock the people that come in. The first one was James Frey. They made fun of her for talking constantly in their normally quiet office and for asking lots of questions.

        Finally, Gawker is read by everyone in NYC media circles. It’s a small scene and no doubt someone who knows someone at Bravo could have posted that information. Of course they’d want Jill back, you can’t buy this kind of Google juice. They don’t give a fuck if people don’t like her, as long as they keep talking about her.

        I enjoy reading the comments here but the fact that everyone thinks that every thing about Jill is a plant is misguided. She does not control the internet.

  69. WindyCityWondering says:

    Bravo has all three reunions in a row! Kelly has to have the LAST word – it doesn’t have to make sense, be on topic or directed at anyone! She just has to be the last one talking!!!! I just can’t imagine how her girls can relate to her….one is on mute writing notes to herself…..the other gives her shit and Kelly doesn’t even realize it!

    • Adgirl says:

      Andy: Kelly, a viewer twatted “Does Kelly always have to have the last word?”
      Kelly: No. I don’t.
      Andy: Well, it sure seems that way sometimes.
      Kelly: NO. I do not.
      Andy: Kelly, remember your disagreement with Alex here earlier? You sure kept responding …
      Kelly: NO. And, Thank. You. ANDY. COHEN.

  70. Ann Lawrence, please post the date and time of the Facebook post where you saw it stated that Max isn’t a paid assistant, but rather an unpaid intern.

    I have asked Bethenny if Max is a paid assistant or unpaid intern. Maybe she’ll reply but I don’t expect that she can answer every question thrown at her. 🙂

    In the meantime, here is the link to Max’s first Bravo blog. He says he is Bethenny’s assistant, even though his Bravo bio still says he is her intern. They aren’t quick to keep some of those bios up to date.


  71. WindyCityWondering says:

    Last year’s reunion – wasn’t there a question posed to the wives on who shouldn’t come back??

  72. nasus nemak says:

    RE Zarin real estate

    11th paragraph (this is from 1998)


    So it does suggest that Bobby at least dabbled at one point.
    What a swingah he was!

  73. Tootsie says:

    I’m so proud of you. You knew what you had to do and you did it. This is not easy but you had the strength and wisdom to take matters into your hands. Please take care of yourself and your younger child. Eat well, read good books and laugh often. A glass of wine now and again can help also. We will continue to keep you in our prayers. Keep us informed about your welfare.

  74. Smompy says:

    “On the other hand, what do you think of Jason living off of Bethenny? Do you think that he is a Jill, albeit to a lesser extent? Jason didn’t pay for the condo in Tribeca and Bethenny clearly stated that she paid for the nurse for Bryn. Jason is living off of Bethenny’s success.”

    Is there any evidence to support the claim that Jason is “living off Bethenny” or that “he “didn’t pay for the condo in Tribeca”, or is this just an assumption? And why would Bethenny’s saying that she’s thankful for the press because that’s part of the reason she’s able to hire a baby nurse automatically rule out the possibility that her husband also contributes financially? Is the assumption that because she used “I” instead of “we’ Jason must take no financial responsibility whatsoever? If so, that’s a pretty big assumption. It’s my understanding that Jason has a fairly lucrative full time job and also works part time as a personal trainer According to friends, he has been known to do some investing in real estate and other things as well. His appearance so far has not been that of a paid companion, in my opinion, and apparently he was every bit as employed before he married Bethenny as he is today. He certainly wasn’t homeless before meeting Bethenny. Yes, he lives with someone who is successful, but how is it, from what information is available, that one manages to divine the idea that he’s “living off” Bethenny?

    Jill Zarin, unlike Mr. Hoppy, does not work. She has not worked at a real job since getting married. Despite her various claims of being a hardworking career gal, a selfless, devoted fundraiser for numerous charities, and a wonderfully caring mom, those of us who’ve observed her life for the past three years know for a fact that she wildly exaggerates and/or tells outright lies about almost everything, and we also know that she does not in fact work full time as a discount fabric marketing executive like she claims. She may occasionally put in a few hours at a store owned by her brother & brother in law, but she’s definitely not earning a living there.

    More importantly, though, few people would criticize the general idea of a wife being financially supported by her wealthy husband. I seriously doubt that many folks here are bothered by the fact that Jill Zarin lives in an expensive (albeit garish) home or has an expensive (albeit garish) wardobe, due to her husband’s generosity. Again, those of us who have actually watched this show over the past three years are well aware that Jill Zarin is not simply a beneficiary of Bobby’s generous nature. She is greedy and selfish and totally unapologetic about manipulating her husband (using various tactics including but not limited to the promise of imminent fellatio) in order to satisfy her ridiculous and obscenely expensive whims. Generally speaking, I think that’s the part that people criticize – the greedy, grasping, selfish, “nothing is ever good enough” part, not the “he agreed to pay the rent when we got married” part.

    Frankly I don’t see how anyone could believe Jill and Jason have much in common at all. However, when Jason quits working, starts conniving & openly plotting to destroy his co-workers, begins to whine incessantly, and adopts the habit of promising to perform cunnilingus on his wealthy wife if only she’ll buy him that diamond encrusted jockstrap or solid gold basketball he’s been wanting, then we can talk again:)

  75. desertgal66 says:

    WindyCityWondering says:
    An anniversary is very different from a vow renewal.

    Well, this is true, but most vow renewals do take place on a traditional anniversary. That’s why I was referring to the custom above. But, like I said, nothing wrong with an arbitrary number.

    Although…if couples start having the big vow renewal celebrations every year, then they can buy their own gifts. 😉

    What truly irritated me was Kellamity’s attitude about Ramona’s vow renewal. Okay, yes, 17 is an arbitrary number, but so what? Ramona invited Kelly to a party, not to take her place at the altar. Then, after noting that she thought it was SO ridiculous, Kelly sighed and said something to the effect that she’d be the bigger person…again…and go.

    Well…bigger person than who? Bigger than Ramona, who was big enough not to rescind the invitation after Kelly’s performance in Psychos of the Caribbean? Bigger than the rest of the guests, who had the decency to actually RSVP a catered event?

    Speaking of winged nuts, Kelly’s thought patterns are just so bizarre. Watching her think is like watching the OJ Simpson white Bronco chase-you know whatever thought she’s currently processing is slowly going to end up back where it started after being chased around aimlessly by all the other voices in her head.

  76. damien says:

    Jenni. Why do you keep supporting rusty and cleo knowing what they did to lynn?

  77. damien says:

    Ann. Loved your posts. They were not offensive. The were chock full of information and experience.
    The challenge that you can produce all of robert zarin’s LLP’s that is what most commercial real estate is purchased under to limit liabilty is silly request.
    How could you possibly imagine the titles of the LLP’s.

    You do not have to produce same. Robert Zarin does own several buildings in NYC, meaning all five boros.

    He does not make his money from zarin farbics. He makes his money from real estate.

    May we please be more tolerant of the opinions of others who have not insulted any of us and has just expressed an opinion slightly different from other members?

    Try blocking jennie who has always supported cleo and rusty.

    You go after others who not matter what supplied support against these posters. rusty, cleo, jenni. This person stayed true. Go to the websites! The villains are not always so obvious.

    • Lynn had to call Ann down for harassment:

      LynnNChicago says:
      June 19, 2010 at 2:53 pm
      Ann, just to correct you one more time, as many here have done, you will stay one here as long as I allow you to…harassing other posters here is not allowed.

      • damien says:

        And Ann harrassed in what manner?

        While you are all welcoming rusty, jennie and cleo back?


      • Kokuanani says:

        Thank you, Lynn.

        For most of us, our lives are stressful enough without being “lectured to” by a poster, harangued, criticized, told our opinions are full of it and how we should live our lives.

        There’s a polite way to disagree. Most here observe it.

        But others come in to your “house”and pee on the carpet, ask where the food is, yell at the other guests, criticize the decor, and just generally act like boors.

        If that happened at a real house party, a visitor behaving in this way would be escorted out, quietly or otherwise. Doing so in cyberspace is certainly appropriate.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Damien, I don’t think anyone is questioning that Ann can post an opposing view. What Ann is doing is posting “facts” that don’t quite ring true. Quoting net worth amounts and saying things like, “Bethenny wasn’t well liked on the Apprentice” and many other items are not “facts”. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but don’t state it like it is fact. Don’t read the name of a blog and decide to come in and be argumentative.

      The majority of the posters here do not like Jill Zarin and many do like Bethenny Frankel. If you don’t agree, fine, tell us why, give us examples and prove us wrong, I welcome that. What I don’t appreciate is the constant arguing and the “FACT” nonsense.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Lynn, I just found it a tad odd that a poster who appears so knowledgeable about Bobby’s real estate holdings and net worth, as well as Lisa’s career accomplishments and financial security, also appears rather vague about the number of Bobby’s children by his previous marriage, when info about his kids is something quite easily stumbled across when googling anything about the Zarins. The other stuff, not quite so much and takes a bit more research. It’s kinda like someone knowing Jill’s GPA in college but not quite knowing if she has a dog or what breed it is.


        • LynnNChicago says:

          Personally I have to question the accuracy of anything there, anyone can say that Bobby Zarin’s Net worth is 50 mil but is that accurate? All you have to do is read the inside jacket of Jill’s lousy book to know that Lisa is an attorney. Lisa’s husband has money, easy assumption… No new information there. I see what you’re saying Need A Hobby…

      • Quincy IL says:

        Dog with a bone, Gals.

    • desertgal66 says:

      Damien, would you please just let it go? You’ve posted accusations against Jenni in about six different places. Enough. We get it. If Lynn wants to block anyone, she will.

      Speaking of tolerance…if others disagree with Ann, that is their prerogative.

    • UpperWestSideDude says:

      He doesn’t make that much money from real estate. Only $160,000 last year and in NY terms that is chump change…

  78. I was watching the reunion on Bravo just now and had to change the channel in disgust since it was showing jill making faces, laughing and generally mocking Alex during the segment when jill invaded their peace at the VI. It’s amazing that she acts that way when she knows the cameras are running. Guess she still thought the fans all loved her and she could do no wrong.

    • Stella says:

      A Former Jill Fan, I’m with you on that. When Jill is making faces or rude comments to/about Alex, I can just feel my blood pressure go up! Geez what is she, in 7th grade. It is so disrespectful of someone. I can’t imagine anyone acting that way.

    • Maxine49 says:

      You are soooo right—watching Jill’s face was like “the night of the jackal”—so filled with hate toward Alex—and the comment about Alex being “spread eagle”—Jill’s face was just pure ugliness—contorted, venom-spewing….like some grotesque gargoyle…for all the world to see….it was frightening and exhausting.

  79. damien says:

    By the way…HD posted negative remarks also. Not saying that just anyone could have posted under that cyber name given the registration was not required. Just don’t always be so sure of the enemies of this blog. Sometimes, it’s your most faithful posters as is supported by ice an others…

    Enough is Enough

    • HD says:

      What….let’s go back to what I said… let me go find that cache page! I was NOT negative AT ALL! HELLO! Don’t speak for me! I can speak for myself and I hate for someone to LIE ON ME!

      • damien says:

        Calm down. You have always been a hot head.

        Now either you deny all posting under your cyber tag.

        Or. You grow up and own them.

        Which is it?

        You’re a friend as long as people agree with you. As soon as they do not, posts under HD appear all over the place burying lynn and this blog and it’s posters.

        If it was not you and someone else posted under your cyber tag, say so.

        Just don’t rabidly attack as you alway do and have done for months.

        Who would have an interest in posting under your cyber tage anyway? HD is not a popular handle.

        • HD says:

          Another nut like DLA. Hello! Who have I attacked on this board. Please tell me. I will be waiting. And if anyone can chime in and tell me who I attacked, please let me know. On WHAT blog is HD where there is talking about Lynn? Please show me or is this like Kelly, you have prove but no one had seen it? If something like this exist, they have used my initials. Why the hell would I talk about a site that I come to everyday. Get a clue and think for a minute.

          • Gummy Brain says:

            Anyone can post under any name and try to cause discord.

            This whole set up is so easy to see through.

            I hope Jill’s peeps are getting paid well. At least they know where to place the apostrophes.

    • I’m not exactly sure who/what you are complaining about.

      Lynn owns this board and only she says when enough is enough.

      If you have a complaint about someone/something in specific, please email Lynn.

      Her public email is LynnAHudson@aol.com

  80. HD says:


    HD 25 hours ago

    Gwen you have your right to post whatever you like, I am just curious because I really want to know, why does Lynn’s blog bother you so much when people like Perez Hilton and the like blog about celebrities and whatnot all day long? Why does this one offend you?

    As I stated on Lynn’s blog, once the show is over, I am done being concerned about Jill Zarin. The last show airs tonight and TRUST ME, I am saying HALLELUJAH to myself! I am glad this is over. I don’t want to think about Jill Zarin for a lonnnnnnnnnng time or at least until Season 3 rolls around. It’s a wrap. There is nothing else to talk about. The show is over. We got it all out. It’s done. So I do agree with you on the its done part.

    But I just want to know why go so far as to make this blog when there are millions of bloggers all over the internet that talk about a variety of things. If you look close enough I am sure there are I hate (fill in the blank) blogs for many celebrities. So why does this one bother you?

    • damien says:

      There are posts under HD on the same sites as rusty and cleo and jenni.

      These posts may not be yours.

      Just stop playing both sides of the fence. I have witnessed you going nutos and hateful in two seconds flat.

      Kindness is not your strong point as you so readily admit.

      So sorry so many posts appear under HD. They just do. Why would someone choose such an innocuotious tab such as this unless it were true?

      You have always deprecated other posters on this site. You admit to a short fuse and not being nice…What so expect?

      • HD says:

        Okay WHO have I depreciated on this blog? Since I ALWAYS do it PLEASE name names and tell me WHO. SHOW ME. PLEASE! I want to see it. I’ll be waiting.

        And you are saying on the I hate Lynn blog there are MORE HD comments?

        • HD says:

          Also I do not see ANY more HD’s on that blog so WHAT blog are you speaking of? Direct us all please! I’m waiting.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Damien, I don’t know who you’re referring to but I have never seen HD go “nutos” or be “hateful”. I admit that I don’t know what “nutos” means. Discuss the shows, celebrities or leave. Stop attacking other people here.

        I don’t appreciate people who just come in to stir shit, go stir shit somewhere else.

      • UpperWestSideDude says:

        HD has been on this blog a lot longer than most of you. I have never seen HD act rude or berate anyone in their posts. Just sayin…

    • Small Town Mama says:

      Don’t feed into it. You don’t have to explain yourself to Damien or any other shit stirrers.

    • damien says:

      Me thinks you’ve been snagged…People just have to look at the blogs burying lynn. Many posts under HD…may not be you. I guess it’s a popular cyber tag.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Damien, seriously, enough. I dont give a shit what people say on other blogs and that is NOT to say that I think “our” HD has done that, but this is the only blog that I am responsible for and the only one I care about.

        • damien says:

          Ok Lynn. Totally respect your take.

        • HD says:

          Thank you, Lynn. I have NEVER done that ever and never would and you, yourself know and the regulars that I have NEVER gotten into it on this board even when I was called names and I would never talk about a blog that I come to every single day. That is just stupid. Give me a break. Sorry for all this ya’ll. It seems the last few days a few people seem to want to pick on me (which I can take) but don’t lie on me EVER!

      • Gypsy says:

        Me thinks you’re just another winged monkey.

    • UpperWestSideDude says:

      I totally agree. We are wasting to much time and energy on Jill Zarin. I am going to enjoy my summer and focus my energy on more productive ventures. The season is done…

  81. Shades of deja vu! LOL! I’m gone ’til the air is clear again. 🙂

    • desertgal66 says:

      Yeah, me, too. Or at least until Damien stops sucking the air out of the room.

      For what it is worth I believe you, HD. Damien offers no evidence to back up his accusations, and likely never will.

      • damien says:

        How nice…Try Looking at the blog sites. Who in the world would choose HD as a tag?

        Understand you must protect the HD’s and Rusty’s and Cleo’s and Jenni’s on the site given they so thoroughly trashed you all…

        Look…do not mean to cause trouble. You can go to these sites and see the posts or not. No skin off my nose. I do not care…Just do not judge me when what is, is what is and can be researched…Just go and look for yourselves.

        • HD says:

          Okay…WHAT SITES?

        • desertgal66 says:

          I have no idea what sites you are talking about, and, since you are the one making the accusations about HD, either provide links to support your statements or STFU.

        • Nancyusa says:

          I still have a copy Cleo’s now defunct blog and I looked…there aren’t any comments by HD.

          I also searched for comments on Cleo’s blog by Jenni….none.

          Rusty does have comments there, but none really directed at Lynn…except to say she really liked Lynn’s blog before Otay went on the attack.

          I can email you a copy of Cleo’s blog and the comments if you like.

        • Gummy Brain says:

          Jill’s people trying to stir shit.


        • Barb says:

          Jeez D… So what… This is just crazy. You are throwing these accusations defending this blog like you you are the only on in the know… You have hijacked this thing picking fights about nothing. This is a blog to have fun and a good laugh but you’ve decided that it your responsibility to police it? How about we say this… If there is an issue then since it is Lynn’s blog then Lynn will decide if it’s an issue? This back and forth that you are trying to instigate is BORING. Let it go! Please? PS real name is Barb and this is really me. I don’t know Jill or anyone else here personally just trying to laugh as much as I can about this train wreck of a show. So can we?

  82. dumberries says:

    Bye all – looks like some people are just looking to pick fights today. Hope the air clears soon.

  83. Ladies, a word. “Damien.” As in omen? Really? LOL!

    Need some more fresh air…

  84. lillybee says:

    Please stop fighting.

  85. viki55 says:

    It seems Otay has returned. Bye By for now.

  86. Waslurking says:

    bonus clip from Bravo
    Beth and Max, too cute 🙂

  87. Bravo fan says:

    Hi everyone, just a quick note. On Jillzarin.com her lastest comments sound like they were written by her. In fact one commentor’s name is Lisa W. I left a reply to this commentor – are you lisa Wexler, Jill’s sister?

  88. Ok, played with our 14 lb. kitten (LOL!) and got dinner started…I want to look at that Lisa W. comment. Do you think jill is really that stupid to think nobody would suspect? That could be just a coincidence, but I have no doubt jill is padding her comments section.

  89. Gummy Brain says:

  90. boston02127 says:

    Well I came, I saw, I read. Only one thing to say.

    Ann and Damien sitting in a tree,
    First comes love – then comes marriage
    Then comes Jill in a garbage barrel.

    Going to read my book.

  91. HD says:

    People, anyone can use ANY name on the internet. Setting up posters to cause discord by using their names elsewhere is childish, but sometimes works.

    I am not HD, but I am using their name. See how easy that is? The little quilt thing next to this name will not match HD’s though.

    Ignore the paid trolls and post what you like.

    • Rusty says:

      Now here I am as “Rusty.”

      Note that my quilt will not match the “real” Rusty, although on that other blog, there were no quilts to identify the person. Hell, they could use Lynnnchicagos name if they wanted to, ANYWHERE on the net, just to try to make her look bad, post something insane, and some people will believe it is the same Lynn. They probably already have.

      This is a full court press PR scheme to divert attention from Amazon Gate going mainstream thanks to Silex.

      • Gypsy says:

        Very true re using others’ names. Temember bethluvsben? She posted crap here and reposted in on another blog, using Lynn’s name and used Lynn’s town. (I forget the name of the town because I’m over 25 and hence elderly.)

  92. Stella says:

    Something is wrong with me because I invision D

  93. Gingers poo says:

  94. Gingers poo says:

    These are probably the same monkeys screwing with Simon on Facebook, BTW.


  95. I’m replaying Bethenny’s show while doing stuff. It’s such a pleasant change from this season of RHONY.

    When I checked out Max’s bio and blog today, I saw that Cookie had a bio and that Bethenny gave Cookie Hoppy’s last name. How cute! Cookie Hoppy. 🙂

  96. Adgirl says:

    Want to Have Some Fun???
    Maybe you all have read this maahhhvolous interview with Kelly in Harpers Bazaar April 2009 before?? Hysterical (unintentionally, of course!). I will post the link and try to get the entire text up because believe me, it’s really worth it.

    Harpers Bazaar magazine April 2009
    As the newest member of The Real Housewives of New York City, this model mom has learned the hard way about the blessings and curses of “surreality” TV.
    In this day and age, only a bone-through-the-nose Upper Amazon Basin tribesman wouldn’t recognize that an invitation to star in a reality show is nothing more than an invitation to play roulette with one’s reputation — not to mention sanity.
    The Real Housewives of New York City was last year’s surprise hit on Bravo, calling all rubberneckers who just couldn’t take their eyes off the weekly five-SUV collision of female ego and malice aforethought. In an effort to keep estrogen levels comfortably spiky in the show’s second season, Bravo set about to induct yet a sixth housewife into this status-obsessive sorority.
    What kind of person would submit to the relentless hazing promised by the likes of Bethenny, LuAnn, Ramona, Alex, and Jill? “Kelly Bensimon is a real socialite” is how Bethenny Frankel, the personal chef, introduces the newest addition to the show.
    A model and author of coffee-table books, an ex-wife of fashion photographer Gilles Bensimon, a jewelry designer, and a columnist in local magazines who gigged for a year covering parties for the New York Post’s now defunct weekly Page Six Magazine, Kelly, 41, is an organically grown member of what Bethenny outsiderishly labels “the fabulosity crowd.” Her arrival seemed to signal to other cast members that they had fallen short in some vague, undefined way. Kelly, with naive pride, recalls how a Bravo executive said that her presence “rais[ed] the bar a little bit,” oblivious to the role it quite probably plays in the public stoning she ultimately endures from her costars.
    The first episode aired amid the manic polka of fashion shows known in New York City as Fashion Week. Kelly was now telling her friends, “There’s always Canada.” (As if there could be any refuge from the bloopers of her life now served up for the world to review and ridicule.) Regrets? She’s had a few.
    Now seated on what she calls her Barbie couch at her loft downtown, lipstick pink and buxom with pillows made from Hermès scarves that would otherwise be languishing in a drawer (an example, she says, of how she stays “green”), Kelly is explaining why she did the show. “I wanted to put my name up there,” she says. “I was like, it’s not enough for New York to know me. I wanted the rest of America to know me. I have a great life. I have a lot of fun. I’ve done amazing books.” Those would be her fashionably executed The Bikini Book, In the Spirit of the Hamptons, and American Style. But she’s also got some owl necklaces to promote, and reality TV looked to be her secret passageway to fame and a dreamed-of talk show, perhaps.
    And though Kelly professes to be a watcher of Rock of Love (“awesome!” she calls it) and Tool Academy (“insaaane”), she claims she purposely didn’t sample any previous Real Housewives episodes. Not out of narcissism or lack of curiosity about who else was going to be sharing the pixels. Rather, she simply wanted to come off as spontaneous.
    But sound bites surgically excised from context can play a bit smug. “I live a luxurious life,” she announces during an episode of the show, her voice surprisingly quarterback husky, defining luxury as “[being] able to buy beautiful things” — not the most recession- (or armchair-critic-) proof aperçu as she bops from party to party in the pay-to-play Hamptons. (“I feel like I was born to live here,” she says.)
    Kelly inadvertently reveals that she thought she could game the reality-TV-show formula and avoid the fourth-grade sniping. “It was like Type-A-ville, a very toxic environment, and, you know, I’m from Rockford, Illinois.” She says this often. Of course she is down-to-earth: She drives a Dodge Ram and says so — numerous times.
    She compares The Real Housewives of New York City to “Mean Girls for the over-40s.” The plan was clearly to behave, not mouth off, not meet any of the women for cocktails. The less vino, the less uncomfortable veritas. Not that reality TV is truly reality TV. “The moment there’s a camera, it becomes surreality TV,” Kelly wisely observes. Problem is, her avoidance translates as disdain as she speeds through appointments with the women between parties for Dior Beauty and Zac Posen’s fashion show, ultimately proving her incapable of policing the running commentary behind her back.
    On episode 4, Kelly invites fashion executive Ramona Singer to architect Richard Meier’s model museum in Queens, where they browse such miniatures of his buildings as the Getty Center, mainly because she says she’s a friend of Mr. Meier’s. Ramona had done her homework on Meier the modernist. “[Kelly] really didn’t seem to know much about him at all, which I was shocked about,” says Ramona after the field trip. Smarting from the poison dart, Kelly offers later, “It’s not my job to educate Ramona or compete with her.”
    On the periphery of this interview sits an attractive young man flipping through the newspaper. A second personal assistant? No, even if “that’s what she thinks too sometimes,” he jokes. This is Kelly’s 30-year-old venture-capitalist boyfriend, whom she managed to conceal from the show. “Anyone who would ever be on a reality show with me would not be dating me in real life,” she says.
    A week after the interview, Kelly surrendered to police after she allegedly gave her beau a black eye. (Kelly’s lawyer has called the charges “unfounded.”) He told reporters he blamed this incident in part on the pressures of the show. Says Kelly now, “One of the worst things about putting yourself out there is exposing yourself to situations you never dreamed would be a reality.”
    There is no joy in Type-A-ville: Bethenny traces her dislike of Kelly to a party where she claims Kelly flirted with her then-boyfriend. This is news to Kelly, who explains from the Barbie couch that Bethenny just “didn’t make an impact. I don’t know who she is and I don’t care. And am I going to hire her as a chef? No. She’s not good!” Still, graciously, after Bethenny accuses her of looking past her at a party (a tendency documented by the cameras) — and Kelly takes her aside to bluntly explain the I’m-up-here-you’re-down-there hierarchy of the jungle — she plugs Bethenny’s chef services in her newspaper column. By the end of the season, “she made up with me,” says Kelly.
    “There’s an inauthenticity to Kelly that I just instinctively sense,” Bethenny remarks in an early episode. “Is Bethenny a socialite?” asks Kelly now. “No. Will she ever sit next to Lauren duPont? No. Is she best friends with Aerin Lauder? No. Am I? No. Do I care? No. Does she? Oh, absolutely. She’s not authentic. All she does is sit there and cry all the time. I’m like, you’re crying about guys? And shut up. Honestly, if being inauthentic means graduating from Columbia University, writing three books, starting two magazines, bearing two children [daughters Sea, 10, and Teddy, 8], being the ambassador for wool, running a marathon for charity — if that’s inauthentic? Tell me what authentic is.”
    Kelly insists she’s prepared to be loathed. When she was putting together The Bikini Book, “I read that in the ’50s, women were going to be handcuffed for wearing a bikini,” she says. “I thought to myself, That’s why the bikini was so successful. During a recession, we need to be entertained. I don’t want to see how much Tide women use.”
    When Kelly interviews people, her favorite question to ask is “If you could be somebody else, who would it be?” Given the chance to answer this herself, she insists, “It would be me. Every single day. With criticism, without criticism. Just to be me. Because what’s so bad about that?”

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kelly is as Kelly says. It goes a long way towards explaining that she was unaware or didn’t understand the explanation of what RHONY was nor what was expected of her. Going through the scenes of her last season – she probably thought she could go party hopping and a camera would see her saying hiiiiiiiii! and that was it. To claim now she had little air time let’s be real for a moment – we saw you come in dressed in whatever outfit you wanted and said hiiiiiiii! – it got boring real fast. You then opened your mouth and it got real dumb. You then started bullying your castmates and it got real scary. So IMO, Kelly ran the cycle and it’s time to get a new housewife.

      • Adgirl says:

        I think my favorite gibberish is the oft mentioned (by Kelly) accomplishments of hers. Which, she labels as a resume of her authenticism. Why didn’t she say she is accomplished? If she likes the word authentic maybe she should pojnt at her body “See these breasts? They are authentic. See these white teeth? They are authentic. See this tan? It is authentic.”
        Or, maybe not.

        “Honestly, if being inauthentic means graduating from Columbia University, writing three books, starting two magazines, bearing two children [daughters Sea, 10, and Teddy, 8], being the ambassador for wool, running a marathon for charity — if that’s inauthentic? Tell me what authentic is.”

        • Need a Hobby says:

          I love “the ambassador for wool” thing, though.

          I’m the ambassador for dust bunnies.

          • Adgirl says:

            You are?! Some of your little disciples are hiding under my sofa! I will extradite them to you immediately.

            BTW- My husband is Vice President of Inter-Office Memos.

          • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

            What is an Ambassador for Wool, you ask? Here is the application form:


            She must have been the Ambassador a long time ago, as the age requirement is 12-22. Unless, of course, it is a “courtesy title” that you can keep forever, like Countess.

          • Maxine49 says:

            LOL—I’m the ambassador for dryer lint!

  97. Zipit Zarin! says:

    So what happened to Ann Lawrence? She hasn’t posted since Lynn told her to stop harassing. Hmmmm so that’s why she came here cuz if she can’t do that she’s not posting anything. I think she’s Lisa Wexler —> “Lisa is not there for her looks. She is an intelligent and incredibly accomplished attorney. Undergrad John Hopkins and JD NY, as well as, Order of the Coif. So, she is not pretty, that never made one a good attorney or a great CEO, just take a look at the former head of Hewlet Packard Carly Fiorina. Carly may have been homely, but she was the highest paid female CEO of all times.”
    And having so much insider info on the family. What she doesn’t know, I think she’s pretending not to know so it’s not so obvious she’s Lisa.

    It’s my theory and I’m sticking with it 😀

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Struck me as someone pretending to know or someone who did know but was throwing out some disinfo to cover. Just an odd tone to it.

      And trotting out the “Order of the Coif?” To quote Nene upon seeing Michael Lohan with Kim after their fight, “How random is that?” (i.e., not entirely.) Don’t think Lisa’s bio specifically notes that honor though.

      (Although Carly Fiorina as a “great” CEO was a bit of a hoot. There’s a boatload of reasons why Fiorina became the “former head” of HP. Her tenure at HP as I recall was generally regarded as a disaster. )

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        It didn’t ring true, too much personal information but no links, etc to back it up! It seemed like she interacted to get people to leave the sight……don’t care who she is, I just don’t read that kinda crap – glad Lynn stepped in and hope everyone comes back later.

      • Maxine49 says:

        Yes, you are “spot on” on old Carly—she ruined HP—sold off all the good parts of HP….it is just a shell of its old self.

    • ms molly says:

      Thank God- I was worried she wouldn’t get her paper finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Dorothy says:

        I’m a long-time lurker but have to say that I totally buy that she was a 2L. Way too much citing of the law for anything other than a law student. Once one practices, at all, one gets over the joy (ie pretentiousness) of citing law at people. So maybe JZ’s now hiring law students as interns. Wait, is that paid or unpaid. 😉

  98. Gingers poo says:

    I think her shift was over.

  99. Adgirl says:

    BTW- I figured out Otay uses the handle ElviraBarker on freedomforums. She made the identical post here and on there the same day.

    • lillybee says:

      Sorry, I am elvirabarker at freedomforums. I didn’t know that I had anything in common with Otay but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I am not Otay.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Huh? Seriously? I haven’t been keeping up over there. Did Otay just save the crazy for here? Don’t recall EB gettin’ down with anyone over there like that.

  100. Adgirl says:

    sorry – it’s freeforums.org (Not freedomforums.)

  101. I think Jill and her tag team of misfit cretins are trying to screw with Simon, this site and a few others today. They are trying to divide and conquer, create chaos and discord. All in the pathetic attempt to distract everyone from discussing Amazongate which is now a fore-front topic in the gossip sites. Thank you Simon for that interview at “Zap2It”.
    Jill is continuing to play dirty and we can’t allow her to win!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I am wondering if as someone who purchases both books and kindle download if I should direct an inquiry to Amazon directly? How can I trust their reviews if what JZ did is true and that they should investigate this situation????

      • I don’t see how it would hurt. From what I read, Amazon was none too happy about the incident. It does tarnish their credibility and reputation.I also know if you purchase from the site you can post your own review. However, your review will be noted differently than a long time reviewers would. Long time reviewers have a notation by their name such as “Top 500 Reviewer”. The average customer who only writes a review occasionally are just noted as “customer”. A Chandler is well known and respected at Amazon. What Jill did was pathetic and I wouldn’t be surprised if A Chandler sought legal advice. I would.

        • desertgal66 says:

          Which could very well be why Jill has not commented publicly about Susan Saunders. Let’s be honest here…if Amazon and/or A. Chandler has sought legal action against Jill, the first thing Jill’s lawyers would do would be to tell her not to admit to anything publicly.

  102. Jenni says:

    WOW! Looks like I picked a good afternoon to have fun with my son! Is it safe now?

    Thanks to all who checked the facts, were just and kind, and spoke out in the defense of others. I was not here to plead “Not Guilty”, but I am very thankful that I did not have to be here to have the truth come out.

  103. Quincy IL says:

    Lynn. I googled Alex Mccord and lots of icky articles came up. I think Jill must have a lot of friends willing to hurt Alex. I saw some Playboy photos of Kelly linked to the articles too.

    I don’t know why a photo of Kelly rear is beautiful and a photo of Alex is disgusting according to Jill and Luann. Either all of the photos are fine, or all of the photos are disgusting. I don’t care either way, but it seems like Jill is using Alex’s photos to hurt Alex and telling us that Kelly’s photos are art because Giles took the racy photos.

    I think Jill Zarin is so incredibly cruel to Alex and Simon that there just have to be something really wrong with her. I see that there are articles saying that Alex won’t be on next season. I doubt that. Alex and Simon were sent to Australia by Bravo to promote the show. Lots of British and Australians love Silex. Many Americans love Silex too.

    Bethenny is very intelligent and she knows that Jill if cruel to her friend Alex. I’m sure Bethenny is staying away from Jill because Jill is being a monster to her friend, Alex.

    • Jenni says:

      You are right, certainly a lot of OLD news being rehashed. Says a lot that they do not have anything recent that they can use against her.

      • Quincy IL says:

        Alex is so intelligent and honest. She will be the new Bethenny should Bethenny leave the show. She will hold Jill’s feet to the fire. Simon will too.

        I look at the photos of Jill’s face and sometimes, sorry to say, they look like the description Jill gave of Alex at that runway show in Brooklyn. Why does Jill think she is beautiful? I see people in our Walmart that are far more beautiful than Jill Zarin.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Bethenny is thinking to herself how can this bitch ask/beg/cry for me to be her friend when I am watching her do the same thing to Alex that she did to me???? Oh how I wished she would not have allowed that cow to hug her!

      • desertgal66 says:

        Oh, I don’t blame Bethenny for that. Jill put her on the spot, the cameras were on them, she was probably exhausted and wanting to end the taping and go home to Bryn, and just rolled with it to get it all over with.

        In the end, by being gracious about the hug, Bethenny came out looking like the bigger person she is. Hug or no hug, it was pretty clear that Jill’s time in her life is way, way over.

        • ms molly says:

          And, you can look at Bethenny’s face and her demeanor and see that Jill hurt her beyond words. As we saw on BGM, it’s hard for her to let someone in that close and when they betray her, based on what she said refering to her childhood and parents, It looks like that defense mechanism kicks in. Can’t say that I blame her.

  104. CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

    As a commenter on Famecrawler’s article about Alex’s nude photo states – another backfiring attempt by Jill. She wanted to destroy Alex by her snide remarks about her “spread eagle” photos – instead, Alex McCord photos becomes the most popular search on Google….

    • Quincy IL says:

      Who brings something like that up in a public forum?

      • Quincy IL says:


        Why didn’t Andy call Jill out? He is really too stupid. He’s a nice guy, but Bravo needs to get a person that can keep everything on the up and up. Andy just is not up to the task.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      And America will judge for themselves Jill’s actions and words! She couldn’t shake Alex on the show with her attack and Alex will likely gain more fans from the ordeal.

  105. CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

    Current standings on the Zap2it poll as to which HW’s should come back – JZ is beating KKB, but not by a lot!


    • Jenni says:

      Nice! I wonder if that poll is one of the web things Bravo will be looking at to decide who to ask back?

    • Wow, Jen Gilbert is beating out LuAnn. I don’t think they need Jen even if both jill and kelly aren’t picked up.

      • HD says:

        I have no clue how Jen is getting these votes unless people just want to know a little more about her because she was overshadowed by the Bethanny and Jill saga this season. Honestly when she did open her mouth, to me, she was boring. I can do without all of them except Ramona and Alex. Luann is boring and a snake, Jen is boring, Kelly needs help and doesn’t need to be on a show and Jill is,…well we all know what Jill is.

        • It may be that some are voting for her hoping to knock out Jill and Kelly.

          What a different and interesting show it would be without at least jill and kelly!

          I want to watch positive women!

        • ms molly says:

          Every time Jen opened her mouth to say something old JZ cut her off.

  106. Ok, Matt! Let’s get busy with those servers! LOL!

    I’ve never seen that “servers down” message before, but they’re blaming Matt for it! LOL!

    • Jenni says:

      What srvers? Where? Who is Matt?

      (Covering face with napkin) I’m so confused! Guess I better just take another break…

      • LOL! I had hit “refresh” and that “servers are down” message came up, but it had instead a message that a “Matt” had better get to work on it! LOL!

        Somebody behind the scenes has a sense of humor! LOL!

  107. I think Jill and her PR people are in full drive to discredit and destroy Alex and Simon. Like “Quincy”, I too saw a lot of articles trashing Alex and her pics. They say she did them for profit, they claim she tried to promote them as celebrating being sexy while pregnant, and she sold them to get into “Playboy”. All the articles where written in a negative condescending tone.

    To me this is so… hypocritical! Remember this is the same PR team that works with Kim Kardashian & Paris Hilton. The same group that helped these so called ladies spin their pornographic sex tapes into money and fame. How ironic they are now trying to destroy someone because they have nude photos! Hypocritical Much!

    And, if anyone wants to slam Alex for trying to profit from the pics then they should slam Bethenny and Kelly as well. Appearing nude in Playboy and for Peta allowed each to gain exposure (beyond the nudity) for themselves, their brand and any business or book they where promoting. It helps them to profit financially. So why is their self-promotion somehow more acceptable than Alex? Because they could afford better lighting, sets, hair and make-up, and photographers! And, last time I heard, Playboy pays anyone who’s pictures are published. I’m pretty sure Kelly cleared at least 30K for those pics. It’s ridiculous.

    And, didn’t Kelly also say she was celebrating the fact that she is a 40+ year old woman who can and does look great because of healthy living and fitness? She wants to be able to share this with her daughters so they can grow up with a good self image. So what if Alex tried to promote her photos saying “it was a celebration that a new mom can be in great shape”. Why is it acceptable for Kelly, Bethenny, and countless other women and celebrities to do “Playboy”, “Peta”, “Maxim”, and countless other publications that publish nude and semi-nude Photo but it is unacceptable for Alex? Hedi Klum was just published in a German magazine posing for nude pics. WHERE IS THE UPROAR?

    Jill attempted to make the pictures sound vulgar and pornographic. They aren’t. Jill finds what Alex did disgusting,but she has NO problem hanging out with the same people that promote pornographic sex tapes. Alex is NO whore . The only WHORE is Jill who is whoring herself out for fame!

    • HD says:

      So true. And I would like to add, if Alex wants to take porn pictures and make a profit from them, who cares?! Jill needs to shut up just because no one but Bobby wants to see her naked. Alex is a grown woman, with a great body and if she wants to take those kind of pictures more power to her. Honey if I lose another few pounds ya’ll might see me online in a spread. LOL! KIDDING!

      • If the price is right! I’m in the same boat. Few more pounds to lose….. and if they thought me attractive enough. I’d give it thought!

      • desertgal66 says:

        Well, and the ironic thing is, Alex didn’t profit from the publication of her photos. According to Alex, she never intended those photos to become public-they were private photos, and the photog saw dollar signs and decided to cash in after she became known from the show. Alex rose above the furor gracefully, and, like an adult, made it clear that she owes no one an explanation for what she chooses to do with her body.

        I’ve yet to see any proof that Alex sold the pictures to anyone, since they were not her pictures to sell. But, if she did sell them to Playboy, and Playboy accepted them-so what? They aren’t as tacky as the ones that Gilles Bensimon took of Kelly in her dominatrix getup (which was, really, so 1979). I mean, Kelly looked like she was auditioning for a spot as Patrick Nagel’s muse.

        Jill is an idiot. Not only did she fail to understand the copyright issue at the heart of it when she blasted Alex for “allowing” the release of the photos (and, really, it’s not all that difficult to understand that a photographer own the rights to the photos he takes-we’re not talking a complex legal issue here), but she’s also clumsily attempting to smear both Alex and Simon’s professionalism by mentioning his hotel. It’s so transparent, it’s laughable. As someone said, Jill can’t get out of her own way. 90% of the viewers are laughing at this woman’s machinations. It’s ridiculous and hilarious at the same time.

        • Quincy IL says:

          Gosh, Jill and Luann are insulting this photographer and not Alex. LOL… Kelly’s photos were art because Giles took them..Alex’s photographer was a low life gutter snipe, there fore Alex’s photos were not art.

        • Squirrels says:

          Here’s the deal. The photog owns the negatives (digital or otherwise). However, he cannot publish them outside of editorial content without an expressed written model release.

          So, if these were not sold to the Enquirer, what have you, and it falls under editorial, the photog was within his rights. A scumbag? sure, but a legal whore.

  108. HD says:

    Thanks, everyone for knowing my character as much as you can through a computer screen. Normally I ignore any shade being thrown my way but when someone is saying something about me that is an outright lie, I had to say something back. I know you should not entertain trolls because they are like Gremlins, they just multiply, but that person was basically lying on me and I could not have that. I have never bashed and never will bash this site. I come here every single day-I’ve been coming since the Hubpages- and I am so THANKFUL there is a site where I can discuss how much I hate Jill Zarin. Thanks, everyone!

  109. moriasheehan says:

    Is it safe to come out, yet? I am thunderstruck by the change in the blog. I have had a much different experience here, previously. That leads me to start believing in trolls. Thank you to all the great repeat posters for being supportive, helpful and anything but haters. Shame on anyone who just wants to cause dissension. Peace and Love!
    OK, now that is out, let’s bash jz for all the crap she is spreading around. I don’t belive the rumor about Bravo firing Alex. Just somebody blowing smoke out their ass. Make blogs not War

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      JILL: “Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.”
      Well she said at the reunion that Bethenny was leaving the show, but on WWHL Bethenny said she hadn’t decided yet. Jill floats a rumor (and Kelly has contacts at page 6 as well) that Alex is not being asked back. But Bravo has said nothing about it.
      Bravo has alot of information to draw upon besides their own blogs to gauge which housewives to ask back for the next season. And now there are polls as well – Jill should be scared because public opinion isn’t changing in her favor after her disasterous performance on the reunion this year. Her brand of mean is not one the majority of viewers want to watch week after week.

      • Squirrels says:

        B also said it on the reunion show. Paraphrase – I didn’t say I was leaving this show. This took place during a particularly ear crushing Jill rage n rant. Not to be confused with whack a mole.

  110. LynnNChicago says:

    From Celebitchy:

    Kelly Bensimon Is Just As “Batty” As She Seems On TV
    When Real Housewives of New York City’s resident airhead Kelly Bensimon hired a nanny in 2009 to watch her children Sea, 12, and Teddy, 10, her neighbors weren’t shy about alerting the new employee to what she’d signed up for. “They said, ‘You’re the fourth person in the last six months to work for her,’” claims the former nanny, adding that she thinks that Kelly is “crazy” and says she’s seen her start her day by spiking her coffee with Patrón tequila.


  111. LynnNChicago says:

    Time for a fresh blog for comments..2 min

  112. See……Jill and her nasty family of trolls are at it again!


  113. Darren-who is apart of Jills’ PR team, also gave a shout out to Lynn on twitter!
    What vile people. I get a dirty and disgusting feeling every time I read their trash. I need a shower!

    • Quincy IL says:

      Really? Is he doing that on his own time or is this costing Jill bucks? I hope she has to pay him to twitter Lynn.

      • Darren sent me a tweet when I stood up for Ramona and Simon earlier today.

        I can’t find the initial tweet that got me p.o.’d, but it was basically Ramona complaining about Kelly’s bullying lies, then Jizz’s assistant Darren RT with “ur doing it right now”

        Then I went off (below):

        On Saturday 19th June 2010, @MsBlazeAdams said:

        @Darrennyc You are misrepresenting bullying 4 @Ramona defending yourself with the truth. Y r people like you defending @kikilet when she is clearly certifiable? @jillzarin is a lying, canniving, manipulating, sabotaging, jealous, mean-spirited person. You are working 4 the devil. Save ur soul and quit! RT @Darrennyc You r bullying her now RT @ramonasinger:to set the record straight Kelly was NEVER bullied its a desperate PR spin and she should be ashamed

        Then I saw another tweet from Darren bashing Simon, which prompted this:

        @SimonvanKempen I applaud you for standing up 4 @mccordalex. If she leaves RHONYC & @JillZarin (& @kikilet) stay @BravoAndy w lose! #Truth

        I also sent the above to @BravoTV. Darren responded (below):

        @Darrennyc @MsBlazeAdams shout out…sorry u feel that way about 14 hours ago via UberTwitter in reply to MsBlazeAdams

        My response to Darren:

        @MsBlazeAdams Thx me 2. @jillzarin ws 1ce my fave. Sincerity, honesty &humility go a long way RT @Darrennyc: @MsBlazeAdams shout out.sorry u feel that way about 13 hours ago via web

        Darren’s response:

        @Darrennyc @MsBlazeAdams I just want everyone to get along:(I shouldn’t have posted that but I thought she was being mean..then everyone attacked me:(

        My (too kind) response:

        @Darrennyc Lol! Awww…but c loyalty doesn’t work in this case. Right is right, wrong is wrong. The response U rec’d should tell u somethng! about 13 hours ago via web

        Went to his page and people jumped all over him and then the support tweets started for Alex and Simon, Ramona, etc., including mine. He seemed humble at least. Jill could take a lesson or two.

  114. lillybee says:

    Jill needs to tell her PR team to Zip It.

  115. Adele says:

    I read somewhere that Bobby Frankel’s brother is a rabbi in Israel.
    I wonder if B. had an contact with the uncle or grandparents.

  116. Vicky says:

    I think Jill and Kelly planned the whole scary island thing in advance. They knew Bethenny was VERY fragile. They knew her dad had just died, Jill knew B’s issues with her dad for a very long time. At the reunion Jill admited to knowing that B was having some pregnancy problems. I think Jill sent Kelly down there first to antagonize B and get her primed for Jill’s “surprise”. Jill knew B would not be happy to see her and probably expected her to finally lose her shit when she got there. That way she could say look at what a terrible person B is, all I’ve done is come her to try to make ammends, see the gifts, see the tears? They just didn’t expect Kelly to loose her fuckin mind first. Kelly called Jill and said I cant do this ,(who forced Kelly to go? Bravo or Jill?) I am leaving and Jill told her not to leave, she would be there in eight hours. Jill also did not expect to meet a united front of protection for B. When Jill realised her plan was falling apart she pointed her finger at Alex, most likely thinking Alex would not defend herself. I believe Jill thought if this plan worked, all negative attention would then be on B. Her friend Luann even tried to explain that this is a terrible idea and she should not go. But since when does someone who thinks she knows everything ever listen to anything? I think this whole thing was an orchestrated plot to hurt B,and undermine her new show. Call me crazy, just don’t call me Kelly!

  117. Laura says:

    Great blog, Lynn.

    I agree that you have to be a big Bethenny fan to enjoy the show. And being one myself, I really do enjoy it. All her little Bethenny-isms just have me cracking up.

    When her and Jason were in Bloomingdale’s and got to laughing about serving the coffee, I literally almost spit water out…watching her laugh like that – a belly laugh – was just so great.

    I really hope she doesn’t let all the Jill BS get to her.

    I was a big Jill fan the first season but now, the sound of her voice and the sight of her disgusts me. Nothing she ever says will be believable to me. She will never regain what she once had after all this. How anyone can’t see that is beyond me. There is so much damage done. Even the best PR firm can’t bring her out of the abyss she has spun herself into….ya know what they say…be careful what ya wish for….

    Keep up the good work…your blog is a part of my daily routine…so glad I found ya. 🙂

  118. chickentales says:

    My morning laugh is KrazyKelly:
    kikilet Morning
    less than 20 seconds ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    * Reply
    * Retweet

    kikilet Mormon
    half a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    * Reply
    * Retweet

  119. Maxine49 says:

    Hi, Lynn, love your blogs. I’m hoping you’ll comment here on a couple of things I never saw anyone discuss.

    First, when Alex delivered the message to Jill at Romona’s Renewal party, did you notice Jill’s first reaction—she laughed in Alex’s face, and it didn’t bother Jill one tiny bit—as if to say “Alex, nothing you coukd ever say could possibly have any impact on me”. But the second she realized that the others were shocked at Alex’s delivery, Jill instantly realized that she could suddenly become the victim and put on the big “oh, I’m so hurt” and the crocodile tears act—and that she could use this as the cudgel against Alex—you could just see the wheels turning in Jill’s sluggish/thuggish brain! I had to laugh when Jill and Lulu left and were seen walking away on the sidewalk—Jill’s fake crying and Lulu’s empty attempt to hug/comfort her—Jill practically shoved Lulu away–as if to say “idiot, don’t you know this is an act—now get out of my scene!”

    The other tidbit was when Kelly was on the phone with Jill in her room on St. John’s. After she got off the phone she rubbed her eyes and said, “OK, now I’m going to go smile” as if her smile was a gift or a charm that could undo all the ugliness she had already spewed forth. It was another nugget of Kelly’s bizarre thinking. I’m sure that toothy smile has gotten her far with men and the “promise” of what might lie behind that smile (“satchels of gold,” perhaps)—but that act simply does not work with women—and as far as Ramona, Alex, Bethenny and Sonja were concerned—a start raving lunatic lay behind that smile.

    Lynn, please comment, I’d like to know your thoughts. Thanks.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Hi Maxine! Interesting you ask about that first scene because what I noticed was that they didn’t seem to give a great shot of Jill’s reaction. I don’t know if Bravo was trying to manipulate our reaction to Jill’s reaction but it wasn’t a full on shot of Jill’s face, was it? I think you’re right though, it seemed her first reaction was to try to laugh it off but realized that she may be able to use this against both Alex and Bethenny.

      The second scene I missed Kelly saying that she was going to go smile now, I don’t doubt that she has used her looks her whole life to get whatever she wants and it seems to have worked. Out of all of the women she as the least amount of things to worry about, she does what she wants, goes where she wants and her children are always well cared for by nanny’s. Luckily for her children, they spend more time with hired care-givers than they do with their parents.

      Bless you for trying to figure out anything about Kelly, I don’t think there is any rhyme or reason to her.

      Maxine, you don’t happen to tweet, do you?

      • Maxine49 says:

        No, Lynn, I confess I don’t know how to tweet…and I haven’t really been interested in learning—figure it’s one more thing to distract me from things I should be doing—like my work, weeding my flower beds and generally just tidying up the house….LOL.

        I did read on your blog a while back that there is a tweeter named “maxine” and she was involved in the misinformation about Bethany giving birth and that she is generally an unsavory character. I saw that right after I had selected and signed up with the screen name Maxine1949 and I thought “oh, brother, now they’ll think it’s me—ugh”. I picked Maxine as a screen name as it was a pet name my father used to call me.

  120. Lynnrd says:

    I am so afraid that Alex is going to be let go because of the negative campaign I can already see via (google alerts=Jill Zarin). Zarin’s tawdry hands are everywhere to get Alex and we must be in front of this so it DOESN’T happen. Lynn…any thoughts?

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