I Hate Jill Zarin GUEST BLOG! June 29, 2010

Guest blogger Claire Fisher has kindly agreed to write about last night’s episode of The Real Housewives of New Jersey.  Thank you Claire for your great blog!  Here it is:

First off, let me begin with saying, I’m honored to be guest blogging on Lynn’s blog! Wow! Thank you so much, Lynn, for this opportunity, and I hope I don‘t disappoint anyone.

But enough about that, let’s get down to business, shall we?

On last night’s episode of Real Housewives: NJ, we learned a lot. But by the end of the show it seems the most important lesson learned was that BravoTV could quite possibly leave us hanging for weeks before this fight actually breaks out! We all know it happened- there are court documents filed and fines issued over what went down that night. And yet, here we sit, frothing at the mouth and horrified that the next new episode will not air until Monday, July 12, 2010! Bravo has decided to take the holiday off and leave its rabid fans waiting. Tsk, tsk.

So, as long as we are hanging in limbo, we might as well use this time to revisit last night’s histrionics – I use that word because I’m pretty sure that is what Danielle is afflicted with, but we will get to that later.

As the show opens, we see Caroline having lunch with 2 of her sisters. 2 of her 10 (count ‘em) 10 brothers and sisters! Seems Caroline is # 6 in the birth order, while Dina the dearly departed is #11. I find it surprising that Caroline is #6. With the amount of time she spends telling others what to say, how to behave, etc, I would think she was a lot higher up in the birth order. Then again, she may be that bossy because she has 5 older siblings that were always bossing her around. Now that she’s older, she needs to feel like the one in control. But I’m not going to pick on Caroline today. Most of the time, she does the right thing. She stays out of the mess and tells others they would do well to do the same. And clearly, she is going through a rough time in her life.

Caroline is suffering from Empty Nest Syndrome. Even while her 3 children still live in her house, they are at the age when they are just not home at all. To hear her tell it, the kids are up and out the door in the morning before she even gets to talk to them, and it’s hurting her like we’ve never seen her hurt before. They are young adults, out living their lives and Caroline is home by herself, unhappy. When she asks her husband to stay for 5 minutes before he runs off to The Brownstone for the day, he mocks her. I don’t know what it is about this family, but they don’t give each other a break very often. I was shocked when Albert answered her plea for his time with “What, you feeling sorry for yourself?”. How terribly unkind.

When the drama shakes out later in the show, Caroline, it turns out, does have her alone time with her husband. While the drama is erupting at the fashion show, Caroline and Albert are having a nice dinner together, somewhere else.

Speaking of drama, let’s revisit how we got to that point. We saw Teresa and Jackie waiting for Kim D for lunch. When Kim D arrives she tells them of the fashion show she is going to have and invites them both, and they seem excited, until Kim D tells them Danielle will probably be there. At this point, Teresa wants to know if she can trust Kim D. After all, if Kim D is talking smack about Danielle with her and Jacqueline, how can Teresa be sure she doesn’t just go back to Danielle and tell her everything they talked about. Kim D answers her with “We are just acquaintances at this point, you don’t have to worry about trusting me right now.” Really? With lunatic Danielle on the loose with her temper flaring like a volcano? I think I would want to know for sure I could trust someone before I sit with them and tear a person down that is known for having violent temper tantrums. Is it just me?

Now, in the interview footage, Jacqueline says she knows nothing positive can come from being in the same room as Danielle. She’s not sure she wants to go. When Jacqueline and Teresa are left alone after Kim D leaves, they debate attending the event. Jacqueline is clearly not sure, while Teresa’s eyes are glazed over in the wonderment of stirring the pot. Teresa is just as big a drama whore as Danielle – and she made that crystal clear last night. If she had not gone out in the lobby to “say hi” to Danielle, the melee that ensued would have never occurred. Yes, Teresa started that whole thing. The blame should lie with her. Yes, Teresa “I’m a nice person” Guidice started the whole, ugly row.

Danielle claims that she got something like 16 texts messages about the fashion show and the fact that Kim D also invited the Manzo ladies. And this sets her off! She goes to Posche where she gets in the face of the New Chick at the counter. Apparently, Kim D did not clear the new employee with Danielle. Nor did she have Danielle train her in phone etiquette – does anyone see the irony in this given Danielle’s behavior at the fashion show? In the midst of her melt down, Danielle’s phone rings and she steps outside to answer it. Sad thing is, it’s her youngest daughter calling, Once again, Danielle does not hold back in dumping bad adult behavior on her daughter, telling her she’s dealing with a “situation”. I just can’t figure her out. Why would you tell any of this to your daughter? Is it just me?

Anyway, turns out Kim D was just out paying her water bill, that’s why New Chick was at the counter. Danielle seems to think this is all staged to upset her. Kim D invites the Manzo’s to the fashion show and then she has the nerve to leave her shop to pay a bill. Oh, the nerve! Yes, this is sounding more and more like Histrionic Personality Disorder.

Danielle’s answer to this is that she values Kim D’s “friendship” too much to come back into the shop and spend her money. Mind you, this is a friendship that Kim D claims does not exist. According to her, this is a business relationship only. And by the way, what money is Danielle actually spending in her shop? Supposedly its money she will miss, to hear Danielle tell it. Aren’t all of her purchases put “on account”?

The winner in this fight? Kim D. Furthermore, in the war between the two Kim’s, I think the way she handled things last night secured the majority of the “I hate Danielle Staub” crowd to her side of this war. Not only did she ask Danielle if she could ever “lighten up”, but she told her if she felt compelled to leave her shop, she should do so – NOW – essentially throwing her out! Go Kim D! And further still, she invited Jacqueline’s daughter, Ashley, to model in the fashion show- again without consulting Danielle. Danielle, who has a daughter that is now a “professional model”, which is how Danielle justifies her daughter not being asked to model. Clearly, Kim D did not want “professional models”. Sure, that’s it. It has nothing to do with Kim D not wanting to deal with Christine’s psycho mother.

Ultimately, Danielle contacts Kim D to make amends. Seems she want no negative energy in her life and wants to move on in their friendship. Yeah, the non-existent, business relationship, friendship. Huh?

Jacqueline was apparently so concerned about attending the fashion show – especially now that Ashley is going to be at the event modeling- that her and Teresa sit down with Caroline to get her advice. Caroline, of course, will not be attending, but she tells Jacqueline something I didn’t expect. According to Caroline, Jacqueline cannot stop living her life and skip going to social events for friends, just because Danielle will also be there. Teresa, it is obvious, is overjoyed to get Caroline’s blessing on attending. You can see it in her eyes, she just wants to get there and poke at Danielle. She can’t wait to start trouble. And while I think Jacqueline’s decision to attend had more to so with babysitting Ashley, she agrees they will go.

And before we know it- after almost an hour of convoluted drama- the time has arrived. Ashley has had her face all made up pretty and it’s time to start the show. Except Danielle is not there yet. Kim D is mad at her friend for holding up the event by coming late- but why would you hold up and event like that just because one person isn’t there? So, finally Danielle arrives (with a body guard, btw) and the show is under way, for everyone except Danielle. She has decided, after seeing that Jacqueline and Teresa are seated with Kim D at her table, strategically placed right across the room from her table that she is going to pull out her cell phone and act like she’s busy. It’s her way of snubbing Kim D, the way she snubbed her by sitting with her enemies. Apparently, Paris Hilton taught Danielle this move. Hmm…is it just a coincidence that Danielle now had a stomach-turning sex tape on the market? Is that another thing Paris H. taught her?

Kim G is not happy with Danielle’s behavior. She tries to talk her into putting her phone down and paying attention like everyone else. Danielle declines, and the show continues without her support. To tell you the truth, I don’t think Kim D even noticed her and her poor behavior. She was too busy watching the dollar signs in Teresa’s eyes as she proclaimed “I want that”, “I love that”, following every look that appeared before her. And before you know it, the last of the models have walked their walk and the show is over. Now all that’s left is the after-party.

Danielle immediately explains to the rest of her table how this whole thing was set up just to hurt her. How she was called a “whoooooerrr“ in front of her daughters. How she had a table thrown at her by the evil woman (pronounced women, with her apparent speech problem) in the chinchilla wrap. And on and on until all of them are seemingly horrified, by the outburst of the stranger at their table.

While this is going on, Teresa decides she wants to go say hi to Danielle and that the best way to do this is to ambush her in the lobby. Can you smell that? It’s the pot that Teresa has been stirring, over and over again in her mind, building up to this very moment. Jacqueline realizes that she has lost track of both Teresa and Ashley and since Danielle is getting up to leave, this has to be a bad thing. And it would seem just in time.

Jacqueline wanders out and finds Teresa sitting in the lobby awaiting Danielle’s exit and cautions her on this. What could she possibly have to gain by confronting her? Nothing good, that is for sure. Before you know it, there is Danielle, walking right by both of them. And it could have been left at that. A quiet exit, an event with confrontation. But no. That’s not good enough for Teresa. She has to start WWIII! Under the guise of being a “nice person” of course. She’s only concerned for Danielle and wants to know how things are going for her. So, when Teresa says hi to her, and Danielle doesn’t reply, but merely stares at her, it takes very little for her to pull out the B-Word. And with that, it’s over. End scene. Just like that. No, the promised drama did not take place last night. We have to wait 2 more weeks!

We see quick flashes of next week’s screaming and hair pulling. We see Danielle crying that she wants to go home. Kim G screams at every person she can get her hands on to “calm down” – at the top of her lungs. How is that calming?

I know there are things I left out – just because of sheer overwhelming b.s. to keep up with. At one point Danielle calls Ashley a “coke whore”. Wow! Living in glass houses much, Danielle? Ashley has to take some blame for the row – she is the one that waved at Danielle from across the room. And so many other things, I couldn’t possibly keep up with it all.

This is exhausting. But fun. How does Lynn do this after every episode? How does she dig through all of this mania and have it turned around and sorted out in a nice little blog so quickly? She just has a talent that most of us don’t posses. So, I’ve done my best to make some organized sense of the mayhem. Hopefully most of you made it all the way through my words without giving up.

Anyway, I would like to thank Lynn again for giving me this chance. Hopefully nobody is too terribly disappointed. Ciao for now.


Claire Fisher

Lynn:  Thank you Claire for a great blog!

Until Next Time….

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415 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin GUEST BLOG! June 29, 2010

  1. Olivia says:

    Great breakdown, Claire! Right on target with these awful women! Still cannot figure out why I feel compelled to watch other than my Red Sox had the night off. Sorry excuse but the truth.

  2. emt2 says:

    Claire, congrats on your first blog. I do disagree with how anti-Danielle the blog is considering how badly all the women behaved, especially your best friend Kim D (first scene of this season was Kim D telling Danielle that they were Sicilian bitches and the best of friends so they were more than just “acquaintances”). I get it that Danielle is a nutcase but that doesn’t mean that sometimes her reactions aren’t justified and I think that that was made very clear last night with how Teresa was foaming at the mouth ready to fight her and the Kims stirring the pot and Ashley and Jacqueline were getting involved (FOR NO REASON). Danielle has every reason to be paranoid. I don’t agree with her reactions, though and her choices but I can kind of see where she is coming from. That being said, I still don’t like her or any of the other characters.

    I wrote this on the other blog and feel that it is a better representation of how I feel about the whole show:

    What can I say except that this show is gutter trash? Every single one of the women and these contrived storylines and over dramatized scenes. In the words of Kelly “It’s like watching a bad improv class.”

    I can see why Danielle is so paranoid because let’s face it, the other women are out to get her as was illustrated when her wolf in sheep’s clothing friend Kim helped to stir the pot and Teresa thought that it was a good time to recreate the table flipping scene and Ashley was just itching to fight Danielle.

    IF you listening closely to the language and actions used by Teresa and Danielle, it is almost verbatim taken from last year’s table flipping scene. It’s scary and contrived how closely they want to recreate the scene that drew the highest ratings.

    This New Jersey show is pure gutter trash. Everyone reeks and the show leaves a sticky film on everything it comes into contact with. Everything and everyone becomes tainted. Better yet, the show is like a strip of fly trap with flailing and dying flies that are stuck. Don’t get sucked in and become too curious because you too will become trapped and unable to escape and your brain cells and self-respect will die gruesome deaths.

    Anyway, I’m not watching, reading or commenting about that show anymore. It’s just too gross and I feel like I need to take a shower.

    • Scorpiosue says:

      I always got the vibe that the Real Housewives were supposed to be people that are of a certain standard or money bracket if you will. Instead, with NJ, we see that money certainly does NOT buy you class. I’m not getting it anymore. NJ and Atlanta are just hot messes. NY and OC have had their drama, but wow.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Teresa and Danielle BOTH knew each other’s daughters were in fashion week modeling! Yet they lied. Teresa went from hello/how are you to flaming, table flipping, prostitution whore in 10 seconds flat!

      • emt2 says:

        Exactly. It’s so strange how people defend Teresa’s actions just because Danielle is crazy.

        I feel like it’s the Twilight Zone or something…

  3. Scorpiosue says:

    Love the blog Claire. What you said is exactly how I felt about it all.

  4. Night Light says:

    First of all, I like Caroline, I would not be offended or hurt by anyhing she has said or done. Teresa did want to have the other girls blessing but Caroline said go don’t stop living your life. Teresa has to own all of this. Quite frankly, if I were the Manzo’s I would question Teresa’s behaviour. She wanted to ensure drama when nothing dramatic happened.
    Caroline, unlike Jill Zarin, who is going through an empty nest phase didn’t need to create drama. Caroline looked to her husband to seek fullfillment. It would of been funny if Albert said You need a hobby! lol Again, I like Caroline.
    Now, Jacq, I understand attended to support her daughter and her friend BUT as soon as she saw that Teresa was waiting for Danielle she should of walked away and looked for her daughter. Teresa is a grown up and should handle herself. Things don’t happen to you in life, you really seek them out and this was a perfect example.

  5. shamrockblonde says:

    it would seem that Lynn not only has a talent for writing, but for spotting talent as well – very well written!!

    Teresa will never be the Bethenny of NJ – she needs to recognize that and accept that she cannot pull off one liners at all, let alone with the aplomb that B can – I leave that show on as I do the laundry so I am in and out of the room – it helps to not watch it consistently – how any parent believes that it is acceptable to behave this way in front of your children or to deliberately be on camera behaving this way is a mystery to me – my heart goes out to their children –

  6. shamrockblonde says:

    YAY!!!! – Ryan finally showed up!!!!!!!!!

  7. WindyCityWondering says:

    Way to go Claire – RHONJ is a hot mess at best -your thoughts are on target. I would like to hear your take on Caroline’s role in this on going catfightfest!

    For me, the most telling 411 came with Caroline lunching with her sisters! It’s easy to get lost in such a large family and Caroline is smack in the middle of the pack. Now it is easy to undertand why she is so controlling of her own family – ah the power! It was also very telling when they discussed Albie’s learning disability – like many Catholic families see such a disability as a failure on their part and chose, like Caroline to not have it treated. He did not get the help he needed in junior high!! A learning disability does not go away! Her fears of empty nest syndrome, her advice of don’t say HER name or engage in wordplay with HER, her sage but contradictory advice to the morons (JandT) are the recipe for disaster predictions and her female version of the godfather – boring! When you fill your life with other people’s business then you have no room for your own!

    • MAMAZ says:

      WindyCityWondering”many Catholic families see such a disability as a failure on their part”
      What? As a cradle Catholic with many, many friends and literally ALL my family also cradle Catholics I have never heard such a thing before! I have friends who have children with ADD. Our church has quite a few families with children who have ADD, Aspergers and Autism. They all receive treatment and the church community is very supportive of the families, the children and the treatment!
      There are some people who will always see problems as failings. These people are not limited to any one religious, ethnic or socio economic group.
      Where is this coming from?

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        As a Cradle Catholic, it happened in my family with my youngest sister, and when my kids were in Catholic school, I saw it happen over and over again. As an educator, all children once diagnosed (by public school dist where you live) are entitled to help regardless of the school they attend. It makes me mad that kids aren’t helped when they need it!
        It isn’t dependent on religion, it was my life example as relating to understanding Caroline. Please don’t take offense and accept my apology if I did offend you.

        • MAMAZ says:

          Not offended, just surprised. No apology required but thanks anyway.
          We all have different experiences even within the same social structures. If my children went to a school that denied treatment I would change schools. If I attended a church that dismissed the notion of treatment as necessary I would find a different church. Not religion, just a different set of pastors and congregants.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            Caroline didn’t get him help beyond learning what Albie’s disability was – I thought she said she didn’t do anything about it when he was in middle school, so I will have to watch again (ugh) because that is what pissed me off! Unfortunately, he still has that diability and it is hurting his future. Yes, Caroline loves and supports him but sometimes that isn’t enough.
            As long as you all know this isn’t slamming anyone’s religion or family dynamic and is my personal experience – I’m cool with it.

            • degroohj says:

              If you read Caroline’s Bravo blog from last week, she talks about him receiving special education services since he was diagnosed as LD in middle school. Such services don’t necessarily continue automatically in college…but accommodations can be made given the proper documentation.

              • anniieee says:

                They have to be given by the American disabilities act forever–jobs, college, etc. It is the law. If teachers don’t comply–they can lose their certification. I am a teacher.. with a disability (which I call my gift and never ever have I used the law) but am well ersed in how the fed. govt requires us to comply.

    • twoile says:

      WCW you R spot on , & Claire Ur blog is excellent, I too felt that “T” was just “out to stir things up”. “J” should have searched for her dtr when she saw what “T” was up to. I also agree with Ur comment about “A” unofficial dx’ LD as we may realize LD doesn’t show up in jr h…..but hormones do…..just say’n. Frontal lob is underdeveloped in males at that age resulting in lots of ‘crazy making” behavior….normal!

      • degroohj says:

        As a school psychologist, I can assure you that LD can indeed be diagnosed in middle school.

        In public schools, special education services are given to students entitled to such services. To be entitled, you have to qualify for these services by meeting the criteria of at least one of several exceptionality categories, the most common of which are SLD (specific learning disability), SLI (speech and language impairment), and OHI (other health impairment, usually used to qualify students in need with ADHD). To meet the criteria, the student must meet the eligibility criteria for one of these exceptionalities (i.e. SLD – a rare and significant discrepancy between cognitive ability and academic achievement in reading, math, or writing) AS WELL AS be in NEED of such services (not making academic progress, failing, behaviors impeding educational performance, etc…) If Albie meet the eligibility criteria for SLD and OHI (which is what I suspect his individual education plan (IEP) was for based off of what Caroline said) AS WELL AS demonstrated a NEED for special education services, he most likely qualified for these services at that time…which, based off what was talked about on the show, occurred in middle school.

  8. Kansas Girl says:

    Whenever I see Kim G, I think “grocer’s wife”. It may not be correct, but this is how I got there — at the baby charity they said Danielle only brought in $300. We saw Kim G hand over a check. In one of the blogs, someone said the grocer’s wife gave $300 and that was all Danielle brought in. Thus, I decided she’s the grocer’s wife. And now it turns out the Kims are related??? Must have been the part I didn’t watch, because…

    When Danielle announced she learned to look busy from Paris Hilton, suddenly the remote was in my hand and the TV was off. I didn’t even think about doing it, and it was done. And I spent the remainder of the evening doing other things, not even wondering how the show ended. Could be I’m done with it! (or not)

  9. AlternateReality says:

    Great Blog Claire. Thank you.

  10. desertgal66 says:

    I have to wonder if Ashley was really waving at Danielle, or if Bravo just made it appear that way. I mean, we see her waving, but she could have been waving at anybody. You couldn’t even be sure she was looking specifically at Danielle. And all Danielle remarked on was that Ashley was staring at her, not that Ashley waved at her.

    I got the sense that Bravo manipulated that scene…

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The table set up was manipulated (likely for filming purposes since both were only half filled) and Ashley did what she did because she is a shit – her mother, Teresa and Kim D never made her stop her staring war. They knew what she was doing and they approved! The only true moment was when Jac realized both Teresa and Ashley were missing – danger, danger Will Robinson! Not because Ashley would get in trouble, more like the trouble was going to start without Jac!

      • MAMAZ says:

        The entire things sounds manipulated, even the introduction of the Kims to the show.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Guess Bravo thinks they can force feed viewers anything! As hard as it might be, I have to stop watching RHONJ!

        • Sha2000 says:

          Jacqueline following Teresa to the lobby certainly felt like it was acted or reenacted. The whole scene of Jacqueline getting up from the table was weird, she said something like “I’m worried where Ashley is…” with a smirky-smile on her face. If you are “worried” why are you smiling? It seemed like bad acting & felt set up. Anyone else notice that?

    • clairefisher says:

      Desertgal66: I think you may be right on with that. Although, right after Ashley appeared to be waving at Danielle, we got to hear Jacqueline scolding Ashley. Jacqueline may have been scolding her for just looking over at Danielle too much, or perhaps the wave was real. Regardless, I do think you are right in the respect that Bravo is, indeed, manipulating and editing to suit their storyline.

    • fairydusted says:

      I think she was waving at her mom. But hey, who knows!

  11. CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

    Great job, Claire! I’ve decided they are all hateful and will never watch again, but you did an excellent job of recapping!

  12. Eve says:

    Teresa knows that her air time depends on the drama with Danielle so she pretends that she wants to be nice (does she really think the viewers are that stupid). She is otherwise boring. I think that all the Manzos know that Danielle drama is the only thing interesting about the show and they ALL play it up for air time. . Kim D is a conniving manipulative liar. As much as I don’t like Danielle, Kim D makes mean plans to incite Danielle drama to get herself and her business on the show. Do you really think Ashley was needed as a model? No….only to stir the pot.

  13. m293131 says:


    Great blog! I really enjoyed it Look forward to seeing more

  14. emt2, your post bodes asking, why do you watch the show?
    I don’t care who did what, Danielle is insane! She started all of this by being a creepy, clingy, desperate weirdo who just gets weirder and weirder! In all sincereity, I think Danielle is so desperate for attention, love and affection that she’ll go to any length to get it. Just like a child, it doesn’t matter what kind of attention she gets, she just wants it. I assume this all stems from her childhood. For that, I’m sorry for her but, it does not excuse her sick behavior. Sex Tapes, Faux Lesbion, spouting off to anyone who will listen….gag! She really does make my skin crawl.
    Oh and one more thing…in the upcoming episode scene where the bodyguard is carrying her while she’s crying hysterically! OMG, she just had her hair pulled? Whatever. There’s really not much anyone can do to make me take Danielle’s side.
    I am however, nauseated @ Teresa, after finding out about her Bankruptcy and watching her spending habits.
    I also wonder if that was real fur that Teresa and Jacquelyn was wearing last night? Me thinks it was…..BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    • Zee says:

      The clip of the guy carrying Danielle away made me flash to Whitney Houstons movie “the Bodygaurd” and then reminded me of her talking head interview with the “Pretty Woman” line about “big mistake….huge”. Maybe Danielle can’t afford cable anymore and is spending her empty days with some old cherished 1990’s VHS’s to further enhance her (gag) dramatic moments in the series. Just thinkin out-loud.

      • viki55 says:

        I picked up on that line also, and there were a few more lines that seemed familar but can’t think of them now. I don’t think there is anything remotely real about Danielle. I miss RHNY.

    • emt2 says:

      I admit that I don’t really watch the show religiously but I do watch it and I see a lot of hypocrisy going on. I do not like Danielle at all but I feel like I have to defend her sometimes because the other women get away with murder. They are all bad. Not just Danielle. And I don’t want to defend Danielle, especially after the first couple of episodes of this season. Last year, I was on her team because I thought the women were ganging up on her but then it became apparent that she has A LOT of issues and I can’t defend it anymore.

      Danielle seems to be the most extreme and that’s why everyone can hate on her without really paying attention to what the other women are doing. However, I can’t turn a blind eye to the other women. They are all gross.

      That’s why I said it is a gutter show and everyone is tainted. The show is so manipulated and contrived and trashy.

      So, I’m not watching the show anymore because it’s just not fun to hang out in the gutter with all the ladies. I cannot find one redeemable quality in the entire show–not even Caroline and she’s the only one I can remotely identify with but I still can’t stomach her.

      So, I’m done with it all.

      • bamabelle57 says:


        I agree with you. I don’t like Danielle either, but “right is right” and “wrong is wrong”. I wrote on the other blog last night about how Teresa started all the commotion, and should NOT be allowed to get away with it. It makes me sick when they all defend that nasty Teresa whom is NO BETTER THAN DANIELLE!

        Let’s review…

        Teresa says Danielle is broke and “ain’t” too pretty to work and has made comments about where she gets her money? For both seasons Teresa has talked about how Danielle should get a job. BUT, Teresa is 11 million dollars in debt and spending money like it’s growing on trees in her backyard. She has no business talking about Danielle’s money situation, or anybody elses!

        Teresa has accused Danielle of wanting to live off her daughter Christine’s modeling career… HELLO, I think Teresa is “a hoping and a praying” that her daughter Gia hits it big in the acting world. I could say the same thing about her, maybe she’s the one who wants to live off her daughter!

        Both Teresa and Danielle have the most irritating voices I’ve EVER heard and I was born and raised in the South.

        Danielle brought THE BOOK to the dinner, and Teresa flipped a table. Both of them have extremely bad manners and don’t know how to behave in public or nice restuarants.

        Teresa and Danielle both equally talk vulgar and bad about the other. Teresa is obsessed with hating Danielle, as much as Danielle obsesses that they are ALL out to get her. Sometimes, I think they are… That doesn’t mean I like Danielle, it’s just the way I see it.

        Teresa likes to tell us and anybody who will listen about her wonderful sex-life with her husband, even if children are present. I wouldn’t be surprised if Miss Teresa has a sex tape that could get out one day, especially if her and Joe get a divorce… wouldn’t that be funny! That doesn’t mean I approve of Danielle’s sex tape, it’s digusting and immoral!

        My opinion is that Teresa and Danielle aren’t that different at all. But-Teresa started that fight and desperately wants to keep her “table-flipping”, “prostitution whore” fame going!

        One more thing, Caroline is the biggest hypocrite on the show. It’s okay for her son to own a “classy” strip club. But, oh no, Danielle is a low-down whore for stripping. Caroline even sent her son into a strip club to manage it for a night-Please! Caroline’s son took the cameras into a strip place, same as Danielle did.

        Oh, and Caroline… when your grown kids are completely moved out of your house, THEN you can whine about empty-nest syndrome… rolling my eyes all over the place! And, I think Ashley did wave at Danielle… her face was too smart-ass looking if she was waving at a friend. Plus-we all know she and Danielle have been going at it, so I know Ashley was itching to get at Danielle.

        RHONJ is trashy and I’m ashamed I’ve watched any of it!

        Great blog, Claire… I enjoyed reading it.

        • Quincy IL says:

          I don’t think Gia will be successful. If you watch her attempts to act, she’s not impressive. It seems mommy being on Bravo opened lots of doors for filming and free advertising if you get my drift.

          Teresa wants to be an actress too. She and Jacqueline played Jersey girls on a show last year.

    • clairefisher says:

      Tammy: If I’m not mistaken, the fur that Teresa was wearing last night was the same one she was going gaga over last week when she was at Posche. I believe she identified it as chinchilla and this led me to believe that she wears fur on a regular basis. Bad behavior aside, wearing fur is an absolute low in my book. Especially when you are 11 million in debt and should probably be shopping at Salvation Army instead! Thanks for the feedback!

      • Dwight Schrute says:

        Theresa mentioned in her blog that she and Jacqueline were wearing furs from Posche at the event and, yes, it was the chinchilla. She says they were “modeling” them for Kim at the event and she did not end up buying it.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Well said!

  15. “I got the sense that Bravo manipulated that scene…”

    desertgal66, Good Point!

    • Penny says:

      Kim G had a huge part in this, too. Danielle (for once) did the right thing by walking away from Teresa. Kim drug her back in it. For what? Just to be in the mix. So I blame 1) Whoever set up the seating chart 2) Bravo (same as 1?) 3) Teresa and 4)Kim G

  16. shamrockblonde says:

    Windycity – please don’t assume that Caroline being raised in a Catholic household had anything at all to do with her handling of Albie’s disability – first of all, you do not know what steps were taken privately and whether or not she sought the opinion of specialists – perhaps his issue is borderline, perhaps it is not truly as severe as the drama makes out to be – saying it has to do with being Catholic is a bit much –

    what I heard was support for her son, and the wish that he never give up on any dream no matter what befalls him in life – pretty sound advice –

    • MAMAZ says:

      shamrockblonde – I couldn’t agree more. I was a bit stunned to read Windy’s take on Albie’s learning disorder and being raised Catholic. I am Catholic and have seen no evidence that would back that statement up. I posted a reply to that effect under the original post.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I replied above – sorry I offended you or that you thought I was making a sweeping statement. I was speaking from my personal family and professional experiences with children who do not get the help they need when they need it!

  17. MAMAZ says:

    Claire – I don’t watch RHONJ anymore. It’s too disgusting. But I do read the recaps. Good job on the blog!
    Lynn – I love your new pic. Cute!

  18. anutha hata says:

    I finally posted my re-quotes from NJHW last night’s episode.
    Danielle really grosses me out, & I think I figured-out why.
    Like Claire pointed-out at the top, “histrionics”—the PERFECT word for it.
    I posted some mean things about Danielle’s appearance. I realize that I am not being fair or nice, but I don’t think that I’m to blame for this-the woman is repulsive, and not even in a train-wreck, or attractive way.
    Its upsetting.
    Anyhow—-I blame Bravo. And Danielle of course, for having the nerve to present herself in such a way.
    Danielle, is acting. Or what she thinks is acting.
    And it would be fine, passable even-IF SHE WERE ON A STAGE.
    But she’s not-its television.
    And I think she does this in her real life also. She just acts. Acts-out, on stage, when she’s not.
    And that I think is what I mean by “gross” & “ugly”.
    Maybe its not that Danielle is, “ugly”, but how she chooses to present herself is grotesque.
    Anyhow, for some reason, most reality show cast members have been able to figure-out, or they have been informed, how acting for TV, and film, is different than acting on a stage.
    Stage acting does have “big” techniques. You have to be able to reach the last row.
    Film, is a “big screen”. And TV is more personal, so the dramatics are not needed.
    Not only are they not needed, stage-acting is a distraction to screen audiences.
    The effect is jarring & overdone.
    Maybe Danielle doesn’t understand this because she uses stage-drama so much in her real life, I don’t know.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Like your insight – Danielle is all about bringing the drama and forgetting the venue she is working in. Kelly has a healthful life and Danielle has a dramaful life and they both work it til it is over the top and no longer entertaining or excusable.

    • Zee says:

      Claire – great blog! Anutha, I agree on your take, I just can’t seem to get it out near as eloquently. I get the feeling that Danielle spends her every waking moment as though she’s “On” and has to be over the top dramatic about everything. I remember earlier in the season she was ranting like a lunatic to her dogs. Her Dogs!! But because the cameras were there, she went on and on and on. She spouts out drivel to her kids, to what appeared to be strangers at the table at the fashion show, and the poor chick on the phone at the boutique. Who said “Life is a stage”?? She must have read that somewhere along the line. Again, just thinkin out loud. Still hate Jill.

      • clairefisher says:

        Zee: When Danielle started going off at the table during the fashion show, did you see the other women? Those poor ladies looked genuinely horrified. They must have been thinking, “oh, this is the one we’ve been hearing about…”. LOL! I definitely would not have been happy to be sitting next to her at a social gathering. Or many of the others for that matter. Thanks for your comments!

      • Beckett says:

        “All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players.” is from Shakespeare’s As You Like It so I seriously doubt that Danielle read it. ;). I doubt she reads anything other than maybe text messages.

    • Cheri says:

      I think she is a nasty person like I think Kelly is s nasty person. They are people who are just take up space on this earth and don’t really contribute anything. They are not the type of people you want in your life, they are impossible to deal with in a normal way and they thrive on creating drama.

  19. Delia says:

    Nice job Claire~ Kudos to you!!

  20. Squirrels says:

    Seems George isn’t taking the change my post thing lying down….

    “Yup she did that to me to. She’s a fraud, can’t take it when others make comments that do not fit her agenda. I’ve notified WordPress that she is changing posts to suit what she wants to say.”


    • Squirrels says:

      OF course we know that didn’t happen on this blog. What has impressed me most is the integrity this blog has upheld. The amount of digging to get accurate information and present it rationally is equally impressive.

      As a former photojournalist/journalist, blogging has bothered me tremendously from the get go. In place of news whereby confirmation is necessary before going to print, bloggers can just shovel their own shit agenda. I don’t have a problem with opinions, but do have a major problem with rumor or innuendo being described at ‘FACT’.

      Thanks Lynn for rejecting that type of baseless gator wrangling. While I’m at it, thanks to all who contribute, use common courtesies, ask great questions and keep it real. Great fun and insight into the psyches of complete strangers. I may feel like a voyeur as I peek into their lives, but I swear, I only watch with one eye.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Thanks Squirrels, the intelligence and class shown by the majority of the people who post here is evident! That is what makes it so great!

        • Quincy IL says:

          Lynn you are the leader and you set the tone. The tone is thoughtful and welcoming. Thanks.

          • LynnNChicago says:

            Thanks Quincy! You’re a huge part of that too, everyone is very welcming to newcomers and to lurkers, I hope tha eveyone feels comfortable posting here! I’m really glad you’re all here and I love all the input about ALL topics!

  21. shamrockblonde says:

    Windy – thanks for the explanation – no worries!! – like Mamaz – friends?

  22. katiecoo says:

    Great job Claire! 😀

    My two quick comments. This show might have had a chance to be something if it were really the “Caroline’s family” show, complete with Dina and other siblings and their kids and family dynamics. Seems they have enough there to create a whole show! I know this may be not popular here but I really like Caroline. She seems like someone I’d adore in real life and she definitely wears her heart on her sleeve. Maybe the only interesting thing will be to watch her develop in to the next phase of her life.

    The ENTIRE REST of the cast is just horrible to watch. Every last one of them, save maybe Jac’s husband who she does not deserve. I find her to be a spoiled brat who’s also just dumb as a post, and her daughter does not fall far from that tree. The rest are not even worth commenting on…they are cartoons and I prefer Bravo reruns of other shows on Sat. mornings.

    I will watch DC and anyone who blogs on it, I will happily read! Until then, I’m happy continuing to rant about JZ’s antics.

    First she’s “systematically bullied” in 10 min. in St. John. Now she’s being “internet bullied”.

    What’s next? The next time she gets a bad meal in a restaurant she’s being “culinary bullied”?

  23. Olivia says:

    Saying that one side of this drama is worse than the other is missing the point. They all share equally in this travesty. None of these women are normal. Danielle is perhaps the easiest to diagnose since she behaves like a complete Fruit Loop and her moral compass has gone AWOL. But Theresa and Jacqueline are nothing but wholesale troublemakers and just to make it more interesting Bravo has now included that ugly Trashley into the mix. I can only imagine some employer out there evaluating this moron’s qualifications to hold a job in the future. She is the dumbest character ever to be included on any show.

    The two Kim’s, who I have seen mentioned, are actually sisters in law and are there merely to stir up the trouble as they weave back and forth between both camps. Would love to know the background on these two idiots who are more than willing to risk reputation and a loss of business as they bring new forms of treachery into play.

    There is nothing about any of these women that begs support. Danielle is quite easily one of the most wicked characters to ever hold a place on a series and Theresa and Jacqueline are two of the dumbest human beings to ever grace a program. They even manage to make Kelly appear somewhat less stupid since we have no idea if her problems are generic or self made. But these two idiots are feeding off stupidity from week to week and it is not forced.

    The entire cast is sick and Bravo is exploiting the worst of the worst in their search for ratings. This “thing” needs to be scrapped as it offers little beyond the opportunity for them to cash in on their sex tapes, cookbooks, jewelry line, and cd’s. I wouldn’t waste a penny on anything these ladies are pedaling as they are the most unintelligent, self centered, ridiculous excuses for women anywhere.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      @Olivia – you nailed it, wrapped it up and I’m sending you the bow – let’s mail this mess to Andy!

    • Laurie in Detroit says:

      Well said! When the “Real Housewives” franchises started, we were treated to a view of the lives of women who had perhaps more privileged, glamorous, lives than we. They were the in crowd, the creme de la creme of the society pages, and we got to take a peek at their real lives. How fun! How juicy!

      How revolting!! As for RHOAtl and NJ…. no thank you. These women are pigs in every sense of the word. Money can’t buy you class, that’s for sure Luanne. And here we’re finding out that one by one, so many are losing their homes and filing bankruptcy. Please… we have enough problems of our own. It’s disgusting to see phony women behaving like the gutter snipes they are. This show was supposed to be entertaining escapism, and with the exception of RHONYC, it’s just a bunch of low-life goomahs behaving badly. Hopefully D.C. will be more on the level of NYC, because I won’t watch if it’s just a show about nitwits behaving badly.

  24. MickeyMouth says:

    I can’t really add anything to RHONJ show coversation, because I stopped watching. I read the blogs here and find it’s not hard to keep up. Everyone hates Danielle and Danielle hates everyone else.

    Anyway, I stumbled upon this article today and it is an interesting analysis of reality tv overreaction. Here’s a quote, “Study co-author Sarah Coyne, a professor of family life at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, has spent a dozen years studying aggression in the media. She says the review of 120 hours of programming, on five reality shows and five non-reality shows, found an average of 52 acts of aggression an hour on reality TV, compared with 33 an hour for the non-reality programming.”

    Here’s a link to the article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-06-29-cultureofoverreacting29_CV_N.htm

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      interesting article. Reality TV has hyped all emotions – so we are seeing the best of the best and the worse of the worse and we likely all fall somewhere in between and the attempt to internalize and process what we see is really what facinates us most.

      • MickeyMouth says:

        Occasionally I self analyze and wonder why do I watch this trash? Then I get over it, sit down, and scream at my TV for an hour. 🙂 I used to see a little of myself, friends and family in these people – not so much anymore. They have all become caricatures of themselves.

      • bamabelle57 says:

        Has anyone ever watched the Duggars in “19 Kids and Counting? Their show is the best of the best in reality tv. They don’t depend on anyone for support. They don’t owe anybody anything, and they truly love each other. They treat other people the way they would want to be treated.

        Being on a tv show has not compromised their prinicples nor has fame changed them. They bring plenty of drama, just not mean-spirited, vulgar or nasty drama. Their show PROVES you can be on tv, sharing your life with others without becoming “ego-maniac crazy people”… LOL!

        • Cheri says:

          The first I heard olof them I thought they were really selfish people having that many kids but as I’ve watched the show my opinion has changed. I like how they live their lives and the values they are teaching their children. I wish more people lived like that (but not as many children though). I was happy to see today that baby Josie is home finally

    • anutha hata says:

      Great article! They use the term “re-acting”. I think acting, & re-acting could almost be interchangeable when it comes to reality TV. Or maybe its too much acting and not enough, (authentic), re-acting?
      I snipped something from your link:
      people are becoming culturally conditioned to think “it’s OK to be more overreactive.”

      “Reality television has hyped all the emotions. You can’t just be happy. You have to be ecstatic. You can’t be upset. You have to be violently angry,” he says.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Bethenny said to Jill (paraphrase) when the camera comes on you perform. In the case of the material girls, it seems to be the catalyst for even worse behavior.

  25. WindyCityWondering says:

    Today I am picking up on the thoughts that Bravo is manipulating RHONJ. So I am wondering, has Bravo given each franchise a theme to play in? NJ seems to be the franchise with the petty, materialistic, fighting constantly, stuck in high school cast. Atlanta got the sports wives, OC got the blonde ones and NY got the variety. Are we expecting too much from NJ given the make up of the cast?

  26. CRH216 says:

    I just think there’s a lot of hypocrisy going on. At least Danielle is crazy and drama enducing at face value. Basically what you see is what you get.

    But with the exception on Carolyn, Jac and Teresa are really driving me nuts. They say they are above her. They say they want to avoid her. They say they don’t want to associate with her. They say they want no drama.

    Well, all those comments were thrown out of the window by their behavior at that show. I am not knocking them for going, but shooting dirty looks? What is this high school?

    There was no reason for waiting for Danielle by the bathroom other than to cause drama. I laughed my butt off at Teresa trying to blame Danielle because she shouldn’t have come to begin with? Come on. Now who’s delusional? Seriously?

    All of them were invited by Kim D. Jac felt the need to go because Ashley was in the show. OK. Teresa was there probably to support Ashley as a friend, and because Jac was there for Gia. Given the circumstance though, I think Teresa could have opted out and Jac would have understood.

    True Danielle didn’t have to come, and given her looked po’d the entire time, why was she there? She could have said no, but as much as she “hated” being there, I don’t she she can stand not being a part of things either.

    The whole thing could have just ended with that, but I am sorry, I blame Teresa for that mess. Even if the intent was with good intentions, did they honest think it was going to be all hugs and kisses? Come on!!! It’s like walking into a lion’s den at dinnertime. LOL

    When you know someone is bat crazy, you should just stay away. You don’t walk up to it and invite it in.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Since Ashley was already in trouble with the facebook crap – Jackass should have said you are not going to be in that fashion show, you are not going to be anywhere near Danielle and I will sit at home with your stupid self because I am your mother and I can’t control myself either!

    • emt2 says:


    • Quincy IL says:

      I watched Danielle in one of the interviews of the show. She seemed to be reacting to a question. Jacqueline sharing with Kim G is something that wouldn’t happen without Bravo filming.

    • bamabelle57 says:

      Teresa never had good intentions. All this time, all we’ve heard her say is how digusting, crazy and evil Danielle is. All of a sudden Teresa decides, oh, I’m over it, I’m a nice person, I can say hi, yes… that was months ago, I’m a nice person. Hi Danielle, aren’t you going to talk to me? PULEEEEZE!

      Teresa wanted to start a fight, this was the first time they were together all season and Teresa was just looking for an opportunity to call Danielle a Bitch to her face, not caring about the consequences! Plus-Teresa had all her buddies there, and she’s NOT scared of Danielle. Look how fast that “Hiiiii Danielle” went to “Is Bitch better”?

      If I was Danielle I would of kept going not even acknowledging Teresa… she should of kept on walking. That Kim G. is an Idiot believing Teresa had good intentions… trying to get Danielle to talk to Teresa and work things out… yeah right!

      I’m not defending Danielle and I don’t like her, but Teresa can’t just pick fights and not accept the consequences! If I was Jac (can’t stand her either) I would be mad at Teresa since the end results was her daughter getting arrested.

      Imagine if Danielle had run out into the lobby waiting for Teresa to walk by and say to Kim G… oh, I think I’ll say hi to Teresa because I’m such a nice person and this has gone on long enough and I’m not mad anymore after staring Teresa down across the table and bad-mouthing her to the whole group. Just imagine what Caroline would say about that?

      If Danielle pulled any one of her castmates or their grown children’s hair… World War III would break out and they would absolutely have Danielle arrested whether it hurt or not.

      Why, why… do I watch this stuff?

  27. Olivia says:

    You gotta love Danielle! With a crapfest sex tape making the rounds all over the internet she demands “respect”. This woman is a sociopath but insists on “respect” of all things. What she is doing to her kids is inexcusable. This is as ludicrous as Theresa insisting on repeating how “nice” she is.

    They each can fight for the title of the most despicable since Jacqueline has already won for being the stupidest.

    • bamabelle57 says:

      I agree with that Olivia… Well Said.

      It seems like I’ve been taking up for Danielle, but no… I agree how disgusting she is, but I’m tired of all the hyprocrisy! Teresa is no better than Danielle!

    • Dwight Schrute says:

      I dunno, Olivia. Jacqueline is pretty stupid but I think that Theresa makes it a competition!

  28. moriasheehan says:

    anybody watch the BBC? i would love for the RHW’s to be on this reality show. It is not available online but the BBC runs every once in a while. Just reading the blog will get you. check it out….

  29. krone says:

    I don’t know, this whole New Jersey show is over for me. There’s not 1 likeable person there. It’s mean spirited and just plain ugly. I don’t agree with Danielle’s actions BUT I think that Bravo is to blame for the dynamics of this very ugly show, thinking that we want action drama as opposed to the interesting drama that comes from the interaction between very different women; sometimes they’ll hit it off, at other times they’ll disagree and we get to be the flies on the wall who get to “snoop” on the way these women express their differences and sometimes their unexpected joy at finding other women who “get” them. Rather than articulate disagreements and insights into others’ characters, we get table flipping, swearing, teenagers who think it’s cool to attack a 40+ woman (and are excused by relatives for doing so) and overall trashy behavior. Like someone else wrote, I have it on in the background as I do other things; it’s not a show I prepare for watching as I did the NY show. Bravo intentionally took a very close group of women and then inserted an “outsider”. I think they’re delighted by the fireworks, thinking we’re too stupid to see that they’re exacerbating the tension between the mob and the interloper. UGLY. It’s put me in the very weird position of rooting for the underdog, Danielle, mostly because I do tend to root for the underdog but also because the “in” crowd’s behavior is so dreadful. Okay, I’m done ranting. I’m done with Bravo because of this show but also because they capitalized on and even may have provoked (I think) Kellamity’s mental breakdown. Bravo used to be classy, now they’re ugly.

    • emt2 says:

      I love your use of the word dreadful. The show is dreadful!

      Bravo is basically Jerry Springer in a fancy dress.

      • viki55 says:

        Tacky Dress;)

        • MAMAZ says:

          I remember on RHONY Sonja said she loved drama then clarified that by drama she meant passion. That’s what I want to see! Ramona is passionate about Mario, Avery and her career. Bethenny’s passionate about Skinnygirl and finding love. That’s what makes them likeable. Jill, Kelly and LuAnn are passionate about Jill, Kelly and LuAnn. The NJ houseswives aren’t passionate, they are reactionary. It’s not entertaining, it’s disturbing.

      • Kokuanani says:

        Tattered dress.

        Ripped, shredded and with food stains.

    • bamabelle57 says:

      It’s put me in the very weird position of rooting for the underdog, Danielle, mostly because I do tend to root for the underdog but also because the “in” crowd’s behavior is so dreadful.

      Thank-you-Krone… That is exactly how I feel and what I haven’t been able to communicate as well as you did… BRAVO… LOL!

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Whoever wrote this blog didn’t watch the same show that I did. I mean, she wrote, “holy crap” and “full of drama”. I found it to be “yawn” and “full of crap”.

        95% was discussions of Danielle, and the last 5 min was Teresa engaging Danielle in an argument. What’d I miss?

        • KookADoodleDo says:

          LOL, I missed it all too!

          • TLM says:

            Missed most of it the first time and (unfortunately) saw the rerun later. You missed such gems as 47-year old Danielle pretending to talk on a cell phone and claiming Paris Hilton taught her that tactic to piss people off. Now Danielle is claiming she’s friends with Paris Hilton?!? I do think the producers bribed Teresa to start a fight with Danielle at the end. It was bizarre that she would even want to talk to Danielle, and Danielle actually was acting non-confrontational for once. She excused herself and started to walk away after she said the conversation didn’t feel friendly. Teresa started taunting her, asking if she was “running away.” Then they did a “to be continued” so they could stretch this one night out for another TWO weeks, because the next show will be on July 12. Does anyone care? Is there anything redeeming about this show? Who’s even left? Jackhole-line and Duh-resa, who have become catty high schoolers, Crazy Danielle, Sad Empty Nest Caroline, No-neck Joe, Chris “Guns” Lauria, and aspiring felon Ashley? Albie Sr & Jr are tolerable but almost never on. Then there’s Caroline’s youngest daughter, who kind of reminds me of Ashley, only slightly less mean. And then there’s carwash/stripper Chris. With this cast of characters, you’d actually think the show would be more exciting, wouldn’t you? Except that it isn’t. It’s pretty sad when you have to resort to showing people throwing lunchmeat on the cabinets of a $100,000 kitchen to make a show.

            • LynnNChicago says:

              I don’t think anyone had to bribe Teresa to make a scene! I think she feels like she has to live up to her “Table Flip” reputation. I believe that she did it all on her own probably waiting for weeks for the opportunity.

              • TLM says:

                Probably. So why does she keep calling herself the Sweet One and the Nice One? It was so obvious that she was trying to provoke Danielle.

        • twoile says:

          Oh yes “Yawning” for 50min with last 5 instigated/contrived “to death”. It is sorry to realize that after …?..hours of tape, this is an episode?Pull the plug Bravo @#$%&*NJ is a total LOSS!

  30. LynnNChicago says:

    There’s a new Twitter’er out there:

    Ginger Zarin @jillzarin Hi Mommy, I’m your real girl out here now!! i’ve been having so much fun in the hamptons. Your the best mommy, wuv u, gingy about 7 hours ago

    The new @RealGingerZarin is following Jill and she followed back. (she also followed favorite @GingerZarin at first as well) But the new @realgingerzarin is also following me so we’ll have to wait and see which “team” this new Ginger is on! LOL Fun Stuff!

  31. moriasheehan says:

    CORRECTION, Famous rich and homeless is on the Green channel

  32. MickeyMouth says:

    Here’s my question of the day? When do you think the hosuewives franchise jumped the shark? I think Atlanta’s reunion started the spiral but I think glorifying the table flipping of NJ took it to a whole new level.

    • viki55 says:

      I had to finally go look up the meaning of “jumped the shark”. Did ya know it dates back to an episode of “Happy Days” when Fonzie jumped over a shark on water skies? It signifies the downturn of a previouslt successful enterprise. I never know that!! I think it happened on RHNJ when they began the second season without any story line. It was boring from the get-go.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        All franchises have basically hit their “sharksong” ends. OC never truly interested me, Atlanta didn’t make sense to me, NY did intrigue me and NJ just nauseated me. All have IMO jumped the shark – NJ is battling that shark and in NY case that shark is circling.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      MickeyMouth- SO agree, I’m not sure when it started but you are right about the Atlanta reunion. All the women obviously made a pact to not slam one another, and it made for a DULL reunion. They were “over” everything and didn’t want to discuss anything.

      Bravo hit us over the head multiple times with the table flipping. They showed it over and over then did a “lost footage” then they did a special hour long show just about the dinner where the table flip happened. Insane!

      The entire franchise isn’t what it started out to be. It was drawn originally on a view inside the lives of wealthy women. Bravo even used to put the price tag on the screen of anything the ladies bought, or services they had. We used to see each lady with their families, and only occasionally two of them together or as a group..it has turned into women fighting, complicated relationships and backstabbing.

      We know that the women are encouraged to be together or attend things that other housewives will be attending. They are more likely to be on screen if there is more than one housewife in a scene. We also know that there is a better chance of conflict with more housewives as well.

      It no longer is just a glimpse into wealthy women’s lives, it is women behaving badly. It is only getting worse, the backstabbing is taken off screen and the women are arguing off screen (using Twitter for one) and using the press to get at each other. They tell lies about each other, they reveal secrets..it has gotten insane!

      Anyway, thats my opinion 🙂

    • twoile says:

      I agree with U…..but would add the beginning of Atlanta…..cont w/NJ.

      • tee tee says:

        I don’t t think so. Atlanta is wayyyy better than this Jersey trash. Not to mention,the Manzo’s act as if they are mobbed up. ATL women are loud, fun and full of drama. Caroline and Co. are hypocrites. The Manzos are ganging up on Danielle so no one will focus on their”business”. Every HW franchise has some drama and of course confrontation, but New Jersey is the worst.

  33. WindyCityWondering says:

    Is anyone here a Neilsen tracked household or has ever participated in a tv show’s pre pilot review?

    • Squirrels says:

      nope. no one want’s my opinion. That’s why I’m HERE.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Not a Neilson house but I did participate in a pre pilot pre-view some 15 years ago. Do they still do that today? We previewed about three different pilots and they all wer BAD. None of them ever made it to air.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I participated in two pre pilots (10 years ago) and both (IMO) bad as well. But I did notice changes in both title and characters when one finally aired. Wondering what format Bravo used on the housewives franchises….and if they have some form of ongoing focus group involved.

  34. TLM says:

    A couple of funny videos on Ramona Singer.

    The Brooklyn Fashion Show Walk, redux: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZjguCC-zzA&feature=related

    Ramona on Rachael Ray’s Wife Swap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QMMiJ17Yb0&feature=related

  35. krone says:

    Okay, you have to read Twunty’s take. It’s not this particular episode but her take on the characters is priceless and she manages to make me laugh at this motley crue.
    Read the captions under the photos.

  36. clairefisher says:

    Wow! You guys are awesome! I would have never guessed my re-cap would get all of this discussion going. Thanks for all of the feedback, too! And again, Lynn, I can’t thank you enough for this opportunity. Maybe we can do it again some day.

    Love To All,

    ps- I’ll try to get some of the questions posed to me answered later this evening.

  37. WindyCityWondering says:

    Bravo could do a show about those who blog about their shows. Show scenes and then the blogged responses – with audience interaction too. Talk about immediate feedback on their product.

    • Squirrels says:

      I can see the blog gang now. Sitting round with Skinny girl marg’s all armed with beanbags to throw at the nimrods on tv.

      Could be a new Hasbro game.

      Or a frat party game if you include tequila shots.

  38. Teresa says:

    Read the blog…hmmmm, I thought it was Kim D that called Danielle wanting to make up…you might want to check that out again. Also, why would Kim D hold up the fashion show for Danielle, then not even speak to her when she arrived? I think Kim D invited Danielle to create drama, why else did she invite her? If I was Danielle, I would of excused myself, tell the other ladies to enjoy the fashion show and leave.

    Danielle stated she wasn’t interested in the fashion show, was seated directly across from the Manzo bitches, (including Ashley), who was trying to provoke Danielle with her smiling and waving, while her mother looked on. Teresa absolutely was instigating Danielle for a confrontation while waiting for her to come out of the bathroom.

    The show is beyond ridiculous. Dina leaving the show was a smart move on her part.

  39. kats2 says:

    Here’s my take/random thoughts on last night’s NJ HW episode.

    -I feel like I was watching a really bad version of the Sopranos (like really bad, high school production bad). Is this what they are trying to go for? I really don’t get it.

    – One big Dumpster Diving excursion and EVERY SINGLE person on this show is trash no exceptions and no excuses. To quote the linchpin herself Caroline Manzo “If you hang around with garbage you start to stink”. T-Man and Ashley once again proved their true colors and that they are just as bad and actually last night worst than Danielle.

    – I’m so over the live interview process Bravo is making us go through to see who will take Dina’s place on the show. Hey Bravo if the original cast can’t hold our attention what makes you think that diving back into that same dumpster (Kim D, Kim G and Elvira) will work?

    -Kim G between last night’s wardrobe and the pole but-crack episode your son and family should disown you for eternity.

    -Do you think Caroline, Jacqueline, and Teresa have any idea that Danielle is actually their meal ticket? They have made Danielle the star of the show and they are her supporting characters. Do they get it? Are they all in on it? Is the joke on us?

    -So I guess Teresa and Jacqueline brought their own bodyguard with them to the fashion show – his name is Greg Bennett (http://twitter.com/GreggyBennett) and he was sitting next to Teresa. He is a friend of Albie and Chris Manzo and claims that Teresa invited him, but he was the only dude (how random, right?). So I assume he was there to act like a bodyguard or he too is in the running to get a spot on the show as a new housewife. He did tweet one thing that I have to agree with – Yes Greg you did look like a really bad gay figure skater last night. Did the red silk blouse you were wearing not come with buttons?

    -I find it funny in a pathetic way that the Manzo’s are still commenting on Danielle bringing bodyguards when (A) T-Man proved it was warranted and (B) T-Man and Jacqueline did the same thing with Albie’s friend the bad gay figure skater.

    -Speaking of bodyguards Danielle at least made an upgrade or improvement in that department. But I would have paid to see Danny go head to head with T-Man. The new dude looks like Danielle’s kids more than Danielle looks like her kids. Wondering if he is an Uncle or somehow related.

    -I thought the scenes with Danielle before and during the fashion show were hysterical (it’s like watching someone from another planet or something) the delusion of her own self importance was off the charts and I found it the only humorous part of this episode (laughing at you, not with you kind of thing). But one thing is for sure as scary and nuts as Danielle comes off, she is harmless to these other people. While I wish she would recognize the harm she is causing herself and her kids, when it comes to these other women she is all talk and I have not seen any sign that she would physically harm them or could throw down if needed.

    -Teresa and Ashley on the other hand, have shown signs of anger management issues that require professional help. When the wrong buttons get pushed I have seen enough to know that they could and would bring physical harm.

    -I didn’t flinch when Danielle called Ashley a “Coke Whore” nothing these two say to or about each other would surprise me at this point. It’s all so crude and beyond disgusting. But I also know Ashley wrote some horrible things about Danielle’s daughter on the internet. Ashley started all of this and at this point they are just two pit-bulls going at it. It’s too bad Bravo is exploiting it for all they can. But I guess that is all Bravo has to work with and these characters love the attention.

    -Ashley has very low self-esteem issues and I think that is what triggers her management issues. At the heart of it all she is bored, spoiled and has no sense of what it means to work and accomplish something. She watched her Mom go from working hard as a single Mom to marrying into money and a cool TV gig. Ashley wants what her Mom has been handed. So Ashley is also in the process of trying to get a spot on this show, it’s easy “work” and it supports her habit of being on twitter all day long. It’s disgusting her parents and Bravo are supporting her plan. I think Jacqueline has lost the fight and has failed at raising her. Ashley’s actions again last night prove she has no respect for her mother at all.

    -I didn’t think the Kim D comment to Ashley was nice at all “Takes a while but you clean up well” good lord who would say that to a kid with low self-esteem? (That was worst then the Coke Whore comment)

    -That store Posche is a DUMP. Go to any Italian hood across America and you will find dumps like Posche everywhere. The owners are all tacky and cater to the really Italian, disco, “I think I have style” crowd. I give them total credit for being entrepreneurial but in my experience it all is very bad Sopranos wardrobe stuff. It is the part of my Italian heritage I have never related to and I stayed far away from.

    -I can’t really feel bad for Caroline and my dislike of Caroline has not changed at all. I think her emotions over the kids moving on has more to do with her control issues then it really does with her feeling lonely. No doubt she wants the best for her kids but I don’t think there are any boundaries when it comes to what she thinks she can control and what she will make her business. I believe this is part of what created the previous issues between her and Jacqueline. I feel for any girls the Manzo boys want to marry.

    -Caroline’s world is very similar to “Kelly’s world”, she will justify and defend anything that she or her family does. In my book this makes her a liar, just like Kelly. She still keeps trashing Danielle for her past like of crime when her very close family friend is Bernie Kerik who is a convicted felon. She tried to twist Albie’s low GPA and D+ grades into he didn’t flunk anything (just what I’d want to hire a D+ attorney) Ashley was kind of wrong but her head was in the right place. All the Dina and Danielle stuff, etc. . . The list goes on and on. Why can’t she just tell the truth and stop blaming everyone else? No one is perfect and I’d have respect for her if she just called it like it is vs. how she sees it to protect the family. It’s very annoying to watch a know-it-all who has all the answers.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      ?What’s up with the bodyguards? WTF – at the reunion NO FURNITURE, let them just duke it out – which would be so much more entertaining than all the idle threats and trash talk! Last one standing gets to come back next season with a whole new cast.

    • twoile says:

      You have articulated the summary sooooooooo well, thank you.

    • twoile says:

      For some reason the reply I sent went to the wrong segment…I wanted to let you know how your take on the “show” is soooooooo right. Thank you.

    • bamabelle57 says:

      kats2… you’re singing to the choir… LOL!

      I loved your comments and agree with all them, especially about Caroline’s hyprocisy. On WWHL-she told Andy her and a girlfriend were calling back and forth about what Danielle was doing and what was happening at Kim D’s fashion show. Caroline was sure Danielle would start something. Why? I thought Caroline had NO interest in what Danielle was doing?

      She acted as if her and Albert went to dinner and she didn’t give Danielle and that fashion show another thought… LIAR! She’s still involved with the Danielle drama or she wouldn’t have been back and forth with a friend gossiping about Danielle.

      I can’t believe Teresa brought a bodyguard, too and Jacqueline found it necessary to make fun of Danielle for bringing one… such freaking hypocrites!

  40. Sick of the Trolls says:

    I just went over to Amazon, and it’s probably a fluke, but NO reviews show up for Bethenny’s, Silex, or Jill’s book (or probably any at all.) Has anyone else noticed this, and do you know if it’s just a glitch?


    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Amazon has figured out the best option – don’t put reviews up for any of them! When did Bethenny get dragged into this mess?

    • kats2 says:

      That’s not fair to Bethenny.

    • viki55 says:

      Wow….all the housewives’ books, even Vicki’s show as unavilable. Does anyone else see that?

    • Squirrels says:


      Maybe Amazon decided to let these ladies know who owns the store? Not to mention, LuAnn is going to be ripping pissed off. Jill is not going to look good. Her vengence now passes the all morons exit here gate, and dragged everyone down with her. Alas, just another nail in her riddled coffin.

      Way to go Ms. Saunders

    • JillHater says:

      I was actually about to post the same thing. Its not just the reviews, the books themselves are being listed as unavailable. I was actually going in to order Alex and Simon’s book, but the book is listed as unavailable with no word as to when it will be. Same for Bethenny, Jill, Teresa, and Danielle.

    • viki55 says:

      I can still see the reviews on Alex’s audio book but it acts flaky. All the comments under each indivual review are gone and you get an error if you try to comment.

  41. Squirrels says:

    Lynn… we may need an Amazon Update blog…. (coughs quietly)

  42. Teresa says:

    Ok, so how many of the housewifes have wrote books? Lets count em…

    Kelly (a picture book doesn’t count)
    Did I leave anyone out?

    I think all these people are opportunists looking for an opportunity.

  43. Katiecoo says:

    Unbelievable. Jill Zarin posts fake reviews, threats and her “unleashed fans” troll her site and all the OTHERS get punished for it? Now THAT is what I call some kinda bullshit bullying. Oh I bet Silex are gonna have something to say about this mess. Their SALES are being affected by Zarin and her motley crew.

    • Katiecoo says:

      oh I see…all book sales are out right now..wow that’s huge. I still blame it on Jill’s troll. 😉

      • babelony says:

        LOL! Jills grubby little fingers are all over this. She sicked her “fans” on us. J/K of course.

        • Katiecoo says:

          yes she unleashed that one rabid “fan” who spent all night a couple of nights spamming her book page by copying and pasting her words, signing them over and over again “Love, Jill” as if she was doing it herself! LOL Maybe she was!

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        gotta think her crap started it – maybe Amazon is revamping their site – how reviews will be handled in the future will tell the tale.

  44. kats2 says:

    Maybe they are just upgrading the site or that section

    • Zee says:

      Think its the whole site – I’m getting a blanket banner message for anything I search on (even my nerdy database books)

    • viki55 says:

      Ya maybe, it is much wore widespread than Housewives. I can’t get into my wish list either.

    • Squirrels says:

      Damn you Jill Zarin
      (said in my best Snoopy cartoon voice)

    • Squirrels says:

      Don’t they do that in the middle of the night? Maybe Jill hired a hacker. Wouldn’t that be juicy?

  45. Sick of the Trolls says:

    It looks like an Amazon glitch.

    Still, weird. I have never seen Amazon do that before. Ever.

    Everything is being listed as “currently unavailable” in books. Oh, and DVDs too, probably everything.

  46. Teresa says:

    Right now on BRAVO, the RHONJ Season 1 reruns are on. Watching Caroline and daughter at grocery store, and Caroline wont let her daughter buy her own milk…speaks volumes about her need to control.

    Ashley, Ashley, Ashley…what makes you think your COOL for wanting to fight a 47 year old woman? Shouldn’t you be out hanging with your friends? I know when I was 19 I wasn’t hangin out with my mom and her cronies. Something about Ashley makes me want to slap a bitch, and yeah, I called her a bitch. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it. She isn’t a sweet innocent child. Shes a smartass kid with an attitude, even towards her own mother (didn’t Ashley call her mother a bitch?) My daughter is 31 years old, and if she ever called me a bitch, she would live to regret it.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Watching it too (as I do other things around the house) and I am noticing that they do scenes with their kids ALOT. The kids even do talking heads ALOT.

  47. kats2 says:


    Another great gawker recap. The following is my favorite part –

    Who was that slumpfing up onto the runway, devoid of physical slouchy hat, but still quite a slouchy hat herself? Why it was Bouffant! Grand, wonderful Bouffant! Yes, Bouffant made modeltime. We learned in an earlier scene that Bouffant has always considered modeling, because of her height. Well, yes, because of her height. But also because of her laziness and her vanity and her ugly desire to be famous and everything awful and consumery and shitty about some teens today. “I want to be a model or a handbag designer or maybe a singer/actress.” Not like “This is my lifelong dream that I am going to pursue and really work hard at.” No, not like that at all. Like, “I want that and I am tangentially on TV, so can I have that please?” Ugh. “I’ve always thought about modeling.” As if the only thing standing between Bouffant and a modeling career is her deciding to have one. It’s like the American Idol people who say “This is my first movie premiere,” with the implication that there will be more. Our entitled youngs deserve modeling careers and movie premieres and recording contracts and skincare lines these days. That’s what they deserve. By dint of their wanting it. Thank for you enlightening the class, Bouffant. You may sit down.

  48. lillybee says:

    I tried to watch last night, but after 5 minutes I lost interest. I started playing World of Warcraft and I won a pair of Kraken leather pants for my toon.

  49. kats2 says:

    Oh and I forgot this –

    Is Albie pinging anyone elses gaydar?

    Comment on Gawker says that the Kim’s are sister in laws anyone hear this or can confirm?

    Also if you care about another HW related book –

    EXCITING EVENT NOTICE! Gawker’s very own Brian Moylan will be asking various Housewives (Jersey’s own Teresa and Caroline, along with Alex and Simon from “New York”) questions about the new Housewives book, “The Real Housewives Get Personal,” a week from today, 7/6, at the Barnes & Nobles on 86th and Lex. The event starts at 7pm (get there around 6:30 for seats!) and ends around 8. Be there! I will!

    • AlternateReality says:

      Kats2..you’ll give us the lowdown won’t you?

      • kats2 says:

        No way am I going, I’m in chi town we need to recruit one of our east coast team members to attend.

    • jillz68 says:

      Albie is totally pinging my husbands gaydar. I am torn between thinking he is gay and he is hot for Ashley. Cannot decide. I thought the guy in the red shirt was there to scope out fashions. If Albie were gay, I am not sure why he would stay in the closet. Caroline et al seem like they would be cool with it.

  50. Teresa says:

    kats2 – Im not feeling the vibe of him being gay. He just think he looks to cute. (my son looks better, lol)

  51. Chattycat says:

    Great blog, Claire. I don’t even watch RHONJ this season and still enjoyed your blog very much. Keep up the good work.

  52. Amazon is having technical difficulties. That’s what Alana said. A bunch of different books aren’t showing up or do briefly show then when I check them again are down again. It’s happened before. Could be an excuse for cleaning up something, who knows.

  53. julieintexas says:

    I am just really wondering when Caroline is going to start making comments on Teresa’s and Jaq’s bad behavior – I have noticed that in the blogs that they will only bash Danielle. When are Caroline, Jaq, and Dina going to comment about Teresa’s behavior on and off the show – she took alot of people – for alot of money! 11 million – I think I read! Hello people – and we are calling Danielle scum of the earth? Well maybe she is – but Teresa in my opinion is way worse. She is a THIEF, LIAR, and a INSTIGATOR that no doubt loves the DRAMA! She knows exactly what she is doing to Danielle and I don’t blame D one bit for being paranoid. As you see in the previews, she will surely be needing that body guard she has been sporting around each episode.

    Jaq is just as disgusting in my opinion! She always says she doesn’t want the Dirty D drama but her blogs are filled with hate! She has twittered nasty messages about D and even went as far as to meet with D’s ex-husband (the book writer) and took a picture with him and blasted it all over internet – just to torture Danielle! Her daughter, Ashley has continued to harass D on facebook, twitter and on the show! Wasn’t it a week or so ago she was on the couch with her boyfriend letting the world know about her obsession with hating Danielle? Danielle I would walk around with a body guard too! This kid is crazy! Jaq wants to act like she is getting onto Ashley about harassing D on facebook – but every one of the Manzo’s plus that loser Moron Teresa is very much loving what Ashley is doing! Hell they are doing it!
    Jeez, I hate to be on Danielle side but the other housewives are more than disgusting!
    They are doing the same exact thing that Jill LuAnn and Kelly did to Bethenny! They are bullies – everyone of them! Kim D and Kim G are feeding D bullshit lies and fueling her paranoia! I really can’t watch this show anymore and read another I love you Caroline, Teresa, Jaquline, Dina comments on their blogs – because the are really just scum of the earth! Until Caroline and Dina start calling Teresa and Jaq on their appauling behavior instead of just ignoring or making excuses for them – ugh – does it matter they will still be scum! Hello – 11 mill – Dina, Caroline, Jaq and world?

    Danielle you need help – ALOT of help – but I am starting to root for the underdog – can’t help it! I am happy D is trying to change in her blog – but damn they are boring – I rather her defend herself from the bullies! Ok I am done with my rant – but I had to get my feelings out because these bitches really piss me off! I know I know – it’s all Jill Zarin’s fault – gotta buy my skinny girl margarita – cause lord help me I am starting to side with Danielle – what is the world coming to! Lynn love your blog – your the first page I click on in the morning to get my daily gossip fix!

    • AlternateReality says:

      Bottom line is that All This Housewives behave repulsively. It’s not a matter of being on Danielle’s side to see what is going on across the board with the show’s characters. Essentially, they all lack character…and Danielle…she is crazy!…I mean, this is the one time I wish they really were acting on this show. She is so self centered in the extreme. It’s all about her. I’d be paranoid too if everywhere I looked, every word muttered, I thought was all about me. sheeeez.

      • vilzvet says:

        None of the other housewives have made a comment about the Teresa financial situation save Dina, who is now gone, and whose comment was “what, that is old news” or some such remark. In fact, in their blogs the wives and Trashley have actually commented how “over the top” the housewarming party was! Just ridiculous.

        And yes, Danielle absolutely cannot pronounce the plural of woman, she says woman when she means women. Very strange. Too bad that cannot the worst thing she’s guilty of 🙂

        • Dwight Schrute says:

          Anyone else notice her affinity for words ending in “oir”? I laugh like crazy when she talks about writing her memoir or how she doesn’t hold back in the boudoir. Do people still use those words?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      It is amazing that Caroline can’t seem to chastise those two morons when they act like bad monkeys….I can’t understand why they all have these rules about Danielle and then break them, giggle about it and then just do it again!

    • emt2 says:

      I agree with you. Everyone is blinded by their hate for Danielle that they don’t recognize the other women’s bad behaviors.

      That’s why I stopped watching the show, to be honest. Pure hypocrisy and many viewers are content to live in the Twilight Zone where Teresa and co. are gracious and responsible adults whose only problem in big, bad Danielle. It’s so bizarre to me.

  54. julieintexas says:

    Couple of videos Jill Zarin did – not sure if they have been posted yet! Part one is the second one – Jeez what a liar!

  55. julieintexas says:

    oops only one showed up the is part 2

    • AlternateReality says:

      Look at the mug on her in the still shot…hahahaha

      Yeah, a really cute starlet! What world is this broad in. You’re 46 years old dear.

      • She just doesn’t realize the term “starlet” is reserved for beautiful, young women new to acting world?

        starlet [ˈstɑːlɪt]
        1. (Performing Arts) a young and inexperienced actress who is projected as a potential star
        2. (Astronomy) a small star

      • felony stupid says:

        ah yes…this is the one where she blames Bravo for the bad edit and for taking her person and destroying it.


    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill should really avoid interviews – every time she opens her mouth she reinforces how easy it is to dislike her!

    • dancekrazy says:

      Oh my heavens!!!
      Did she bring in her own people to ask the questions? You’re damn right Alex found her voice this year and its great!
      What a phony, fake, miserable witch.

  56. AlternateReality says:

    That “other blog” is nutz! Now the entire comment page is re arranged and 9 more comments cut out!
    This is a broad who fancies herself a writer! I am laughing my ass of as I’m writing this. It’s just too screwed up for words.

  57. AlternateReality says:

    This just posted to zarin site:

    beachmom Says:
    June 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    I am a big fan of yours and I wanted to bring this to your attention.
    I left you a rave review on Amazon.com. I have since been harassed by numerous non fans. I felt you needed to know this in case it happens to any of your other fans.

    She just won’t quit! She fills her own blog with stuff she writes herself. Suggestions for her own show with her family…i can’t even type this crap…just don’t want to…but you all now what she does on her blog already…shameful…just shameful.

    • I was one of the people that commented on beachMom’s review and told the fake name harassers that I would ask Amazon to judge whether or not my comments violated any of their rules. beachMom herself tried to harass and intimidate me. Anyway, Amazon replied, had read my comments and found nothing wrong with them and told me to continue to participate in their community.


      • AlternateReality says:

        Good for you…hope you have.

        • Yes, I won’t let Jill or her minions intimidate me into silence. I’ve already written a reply to a 1-star review on Silex’s book and only have to finalize the draft and proofread before posting.

          I admit to a little cockiness in some of my past comments (including the ones reviewed by Amazon), so I’ve penned this to be as respectful as possible.

          What Jill and these trolls don’t understand is that if I write something that does violates Amazon’s rules, then I understand Amazon will remove it or tell me to revise it. I wouldn’t intentionally violate their rules, but have accidentally done so in one instance when I posted a link to an article on behavior and made the mistake of posting the article too. That violated copyright, I believe. Oops! Jill and trolls think Amazon should bow to their whims. I don’t think so!

          Reviews and comments are a privilege Amazon gives us. I have used the reviews and comments many times in deciding whether or not to make a purchase and think it is a great system to have. There will always be someone to come along and abuse the review system and harass other reviewers and commenters. Amazon’s guidelines for posting comments are set forth so anyone can question someone’s review.

          I’m thankful to have learned that Amazon does have a system and procedure set up to guard against and weed out those who are abusing the reviews.

  58. AlternateReality says:

    OMG…HERE IS ANOTHER. SHE’S AFTER AMAZON NOW! knew she was quiet a little too long. I know Alana scans this site…hope she sees these:

    Donella Mitchell Says:
    June 28th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
    Just wanted to let you know that I had left your book a great review on Amazon. For some reason they have removed the review and I cannot write another one. I then left a comment about it and my comment was deleted within 30 minutes. I really loved the book and don’t understand why my review was taken down. I just thought you should know this. Best to you.
    Donella Mitchell
    Seattle, WA

    • LOL! That’s one of the fake reviews that was deleted with the other 3 by Amazon yesterday. D. Mitchell, Joe Cabruzzi, Paula Honch and Edie Stone were the fake names used by Samples and the reviews posted under these fake names were deleted by Amazon. It was proven beyond doubt that the troll was changing the pen names on posts over the weekend and the with the spamming and complaints filed, Amazon did indeed investigate. Same IP addy.

      • AlternateReality says:

        So I don’t get it? Is Jill responsible for this? Or is this Samples just screwing with everyone?

        • Jill knows about it. She said herself on her website that if she released her fans they wouldn’t know what hit them. I posted that comment by Jill earlier here today on the previous blog, I think it was.

          Samples is her “fan”. They are separate people. Samples is one of the Amazon trolls.

          I hold jill responsible for the harassment and I think she is behind some of it. What Samples has done, trolling Amazon for months now, has only hurt Jill’s image and reputation.

          • AlternateReality says:

            With fans like samples…who needs enemies? I think that’s great! She just gets more and more people hating on jill…!

            Thanks for the explanation.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Yeah! Great news thanks for letting us know. That site makes my head spin, honestly I dread going there because there is SO much BS. I’m really surprised that Amazon lets this continue.

      • NormaJean says:

        Hi everyone, this is my first time posting so I hope I’m welcome and doing this correctly. I happened upon this article about Zarin Fabrics written in 2005. If you scroll down to the comments you will find rave reviews written by Sol Kamen, Reid Wexler, and Ally Shapiro. It would seem that fake reviews are not a new thing for this family.


        • bamabelle57 says:

          Welcome NormaJean… You’ll love it here.

          Thanks for the info, it doesn’t surprise me one bit. I wasn’t a fan of Jill from day-one. Here’s a comment somebody recently posted about the 3 people you mentioned. Hahaha!

          Three of the people who wrote glowing reviews here (Sol Kamen, Allyson Shaprio and Reid Wexler) are related by blood or marriage to the owners of this store.

          posted by spanky on May 25th 2010 at 6:54pm

          • NormaJean says:

            Thanks for the welcome bamabelle. What I found interesting about this link is that it shows that Jill isn’t a basically decent person taken over by fame, but that she has always been someone without scruples and integrity.

  59. Thanks for your blog Claire! I was shocked how Danielle went around with such a bad attitude, treated Kim D’s employee with such disdain and thought that incident and the fashion show was all set up and everybody’s out to get her. Ugh! Nobody cares nor wants to watch this train wreck!

    I noticed how she burdened her daughter with the imagined slight from Kim D’s employee. That’s pitiful. Danielle is a user and she even manipulates her daughters. I hope they realize that and can overcome her abusive manipulations when they finally leave home.

    The relationship is similar to Kelly and her children. You know those kids watch the show and what they must be thinking of their mom and embarassed for her. It’s such a shame the children are caught in the middle.

    • felony stupid says:

      Oh Danielle. She spends all her waking hours keeping her eyes open wide for that ever present slight. She is completely paranoid.

      Feel like I have to give her a little teeny tiny break though…IMO Jac, Dina, Caroline, Teresa, and Ashley have given her reason to assume everyone is making fun of her, laughing behind her back and just trying to mess with her in general.

      It’s gotten to the point that when D has a legitimate complaint/issue about the nasty behavior of any of these “ladies” no one takes her seriously. When every interaction, every conversation, every email, EVERYTHING is exaggerated beyond recognition no one buys it anymore. Lady cried wolf one too many times and gave the other trash on this show the ability to exploit that.

      I know this might not be popular but it seems like Danielle needs professional help for her demons. A lot of her destructive behavior seems less malicious and more defensive. Not getting a pass from me…just an observation. She appears to latch on to both men and women very quickly and comes off as very lonely and troubled; willing to take any companionship in any form where ever she an find it. It’s all kinda sad.

      She reminds me of this friend I had in high school. Super high maintenance – we were always walking on eggshells around her…never knew what was going to be considered a slight (had to wait until she ended the phone call because if you said you needed to go, that was cause for a rift – stuff like that). She was one of these people you didn’t even know you were in a “fight” with until you heard from other people that she wasn’t speaking to you. I wound up calling and apologizing many times for situations that never happened or were such non-issues I didn’t even know it WAS an issue until I found out through the grapevine. 20/20 hindsight? She had very low self-esteem so she was super sensitive and always on high alert for any remark, movement, etc. that could be construed as a hit on her. Eventually I severed ties. My friend wasn’t the mess Danielle is but the reactions are familiar.

      Ok…please be nice! 🙂

    • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

      You need to see this picture of Kelly – and the comments.

      • bamabelle57 says:


        OMG… That’s so funny. I still can’t believe you’re allowed to run in the streets of New York City with all the traffic. Why isn’t that against the law? It seems like it would cause problems and looks dangerous.

    • kats2 says:

      Thanks Cuckoo great pic of what looks like 2 dudes running. I really don’t see the attraction of Kelly at all.

    • Earring Girl says:

      I thought Kelly stated in an interview she never wears her hair pulled back or out of her face regardless of the weather when she runs in the middle of NY traffic and that her hair stays perfectly styled. I guess that is the same as the not drinking, not eating processed food, Peta and the rest of her blah, blah.

    • Quincy IL says:

      I was wondering how much money the women would need to live the lifestyle that they are living. If you follow realestate sites, many of the NY housewives have place their homes or condos for sale. Ramona and Kelly tried to rent their Hampton Homes last summer.

      If you have a condo in Manhattan, your taxes would be astronomical. The homes in the Hamptons must have high taxes also. Kelly mentioned her home in Key West too. I actually looked at realestate there and a dump was hundreds of thousands. Florida’s insurance on homes and property taxes are high too.

      The women seem to eat out in expensive restaurants. They travel to Europe and Israel.

      Even Sonja has financial problems, she had that five story townhouse with an elevator for sale in the not too distant past. We haven’t seen her Hampton’s estate yet, but it’s near Luann’s and that’s a good neighborhood.

      Think about the housekeepers, yard men, and pool guys.

      It would be fascinating to know the amounts that the women spend each year.

      I think Kelly, Luann, and Sonja need money from more than the alimony/settlement if they want to live their lives in the same manner.

      • lillybee says:

        Insurance in Florida is beyond awful. When I tried to insure my mom’s house in Ft. Myers, complete house insurance would be over 12k a year. One has to have wind insurance and flood insurance in addition to homeowners. I am so glad we sold it.

    • Squirrels says:

      Favorite line re-

      “Hey, I’m here to be a model. And after this I’m going to space camp and then magic carpet flying school. It’s all part of my new attempt to set realistic goals for myself.”

      • Squirrels says:

        sorry, i was trying to respond to the bside blog.

        • felony stupid says:

          Loved that!!! My favorite?

          “Dear Bic Pens, I’m writing to you to say that I am personally offended that my previous pen ran out of ink. I love you too much as a company to be treated this way, and so in order to preserve our relationship, I will no longer be buying your pens”

    • Quincy IL says:

      I skimmed our pages and didn’t see a discussion of this:


      Kim G’s husband makes an extra for cosmetics. She had three children, two in college and one in high school. She’s been separated for years, but doesn’t want a divorce.

      So…not a grocer’s wife as someone speculated. I’d like to know how old she is because some of her outfits are as short as Kelly’s. She looks old to me and I’m 57.

  60. felony stupid says:
  61. Zee says:

    If someone compiles all this crap that dingbat Jill and her minions have done into a “book” for sale on Amazon, “The unraveling of a Jewish Bravolebrity” I’ll gladly buy a copy. Maybe two!! Mother’s Day does roll round every year. ;p

  62. boston02127 says:

    Happy Birthday HD 🙂

  63. error 404 says:

    OK, so I think it hit me why RHNJ gets under my skin
    and now that I’ve said it, maybe I can let it go

  64. This is my last post for a while. Have to hustle and get dinner. trollish behavior has really hurt jill’s book sales! Website is still not all there. Review info isn’t there but was just a few minutes ago. Pages for other books I clicked on are still totally or partially messed up too.

    Jill’s current stats:

    Product Details

    * Hardcover: 300 pages
    * Publisher: Dutton Adult (April 15, 2010)
    * Language: English
    * ISBN-10: 0525951792
    * ISBN-13: 978-0525951797
    * Product Dimensions: 9.2 x 6.3 x 1.5 inches
    * Shipping Weight: 15.2 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
    * Average Customer Review: No customer reviews yet. Be the first.
    * Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #86,763 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

  65. boston02127 says:

    So many good posts since last night, it took me a while to catch up.
    I don’t know why I watch this show and I say that every week. The Grinch Who Stole Christmas (Danielle) is so macabre. When she says those little side comments with the camera on her alone, I cringe. Same thing with Teresa with her side comments about her and Joe’s sex life, she gets this creepy look on her face and winks. Their both so haunted house like. There is no one on this show that is nice. Everyone is miserable. Trashly has a double personality and I don’t like either of them. She has just as good of a change of being a rocket scientist as she does being a model. Her mother Jacqueline is a snake in the grass and she’s always a gloomy gus. Probably the reason for the long face on her. Every scene with Caroline and her odd family is so sweet and nice I think it’s a bunch of bullpoo. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it. I can’t stand any of them but the one I hate the most is still Jill Zero Zarin.
    (I just re-read this and I’m pretty mean and crabby when I’m tired)

    • HD says:

      LOL @ The Grinch Who Stole Christmas. I was trying sooooooo hard to figure out where I had seen Danielle’s face before. Yep! That’s it. One of those characters in Whoville or whatever it was. LMAO!

    • dumberries says:

      I absolutely agree – not one redeeming quality in the NJ show. I watched the first episode of season 2 and haven’t been able to watch more than 10 minutes since then. Funny thing, I read Lynn’s blog and the comments and I know the whole story (without the misery of watching the miserable show). Each week has the same story of the crass Manzo gang against crazy Danielle – only the venue changes. ZZZZZZ…. Someone commented earlier today that Albie is being groomed for his own show. Unbelievable. Some of the smart people that comment on this site totally saw that coming a week ago when he supposedly was prejudiced against for having a learning disability by his law school. Lots of comments hear last week suspecting that it was a front story because he was spending way too much time and becoming way too interested in the reality tv drama to focus on the law. Maybe they were right! Why would anybody want to watch a show about Albie? What’s next, Ashley and Gia get a show about divas in the making? Irritating stuff…

  66. AlternateReality says:

    Hell’s Kitchen starts soon…love that show!

    • HD says:

      I always forget when it comes on but Chef Ramsay cracks me up! He is soooooooooooo over the top but perhaps that is what makes a good chef.

  67. AlternateReality says:

    A tweet from londoninny…Christopher London:

    11:59 PM May 6th via web

    Wow…he went from that blog praising jill to posting on silex’s blog and tweeting his distaste for this sub human. What he must have witnessed, heard and know to have changed so drastically.


    • Wow! Is everybody abandoning jill now. I had to look up the definition of chaza. Does it mean pig?

      To me it’s obvious how jill has behaving. It’s all over the internet! How can anyone not see it?

      • AlternateReality says:

        yes, yiddish for pig.

        he really did praise the hell out of jill. he then posted on silex blog about how much he admires their charity work. on the same blog, he posts against jill and calls her a chaza there also.

        now i find this tweet.

        This guy is the premier chronicler of nyc and hampton society. he is an attorney by profession but is invited to many, many events to photograph and chronicle them.

        Something or many things happened. he also stated that jill and kelly have irreparable damaged their reps.

        • Squirrels says:

          Considering he comes from a bit of a more liberal bent (ehem) and Jill is GW Bush all the way, makes sense they wouldn’t get along even at a simple social soiree.

          • Quincy IL says:

            Jill seems to say Republican platitudes about our spending, but I don’t think she is really into politics. Her close friend is the wife of the Gov. of Florida who is running for the US Senate as an independent. I’m sure Jill is more into who her best friend is married to than what he wants to do for our nation. Jill probably dislikes taxes and wishes she had that money to buy that large diamond ring.

            It will be interesting to see the politics of the DC Housewives. How can you have a show based in DC without politics?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      OK….what exactly is a CHAZA-WIFE??? I get chaza is pig, but I really am clueless as to what a chaza-wife is….educate me please!

  68. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s tweet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TCZ-c_snxE&feature=youtu.be


  69. boston02127 says:

    Teresa’s tweet: I’m not going to tweet during the episode b/c it ruins it for the West Coast. 😉 but I will blog about it…

    This is the first time that I can remember that T has not tweeted while the show was on. I’m guessing it’s because she’s embarrased that she’s a mother of four little girls and gets into ghetto fist fights. Way to make your kids proud Teresa!

    • KookADoodleDo says:

      Her blog is posted at Bravo & she takes NO responsibility for the fiasco shown last night. Why am I not surprised?

      • Squirrels says:

        Oy…. She didn’t buy that fur but wore it as a favor to Kim? But why not let it be a keeper? It was a perfect display, the quintessential height of tackiness. It was chinchilla and she gave it back?

        Say it ain’t so.

        Peta will be proud.

  70. Jennifer says:

    Realitytea.com has a whole article on all NJ housewives real finances- no one is yelling at Teresa because the Manzos have been sued for $ so has Jacquelines husband andDanielle and Dina’s husband- ALL deadbeats but not as much asTeresa . I not rich but I pay my bills in full and on time too

  71. boston02127 says:

    Did I miss something? I was reading the blogs on Bravo and below it the first paragraph of Jacqueline’s blog. It’s all about boobs. Why? I think she must of been drunk blogging. I don’t remember anything on last nights show that involved her chest except for that small dead animal hanging on her chest at the fashion show.
    Here we go again. Moving right along. I think we are about halfway through the season already. I don’t remember exactly what it was but something reminded me of my first boob job that I FINALLY had done at the age of 30. I felt like I needed it badly and I am the first to admit that it was ALL for vanity reasons. My naturally big boobies were sagging after I had Ashley. I HATED them and was embarrassed by them. Chris was very sweet to say he didn’t mind them, but I was always insecure about them. I was happier with them once I finally got them done. Childbirth can have a way of messing with our bodies. Having children is totally worth it though, so don’t let that stop you. I don’t feel the size of a woman’s breasts matter AT ALL, but every woman should feel secure and comfortable with their body and I was not. Breast augmentation is a personal choice and I’m all for it.
    Jacqueline-Bravo’s blogs aren’t called “Dear Diary” and secondly nobody could give a rats ass about your boobs.

  72. boston02127 says:

    @Zipit Zarin—LOL– You know “I will clap for that” will be the all time new favorite on here. 🙂

  73. Squirrels says:

    Amazon is back online.

  74. boston02127 says:

    Does anyone watch The Hills and The City?

  75. I remember seeing a post earlier.

    Happy birthday to HD! May you have many, many more! 🙂

  76. CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

    Someone’s earlier post alluded to the fact that Jill probably reads this site. Since only glowing posts are allowed on the Bravo site or on Jill’s site or her facebook, I will post my letter to Jill here:

    Dear Jill,

    It probably upsets you that there is a daily blog, with a very active commenting community that is titled, “I hate Jill Zarin”. I think that it would upset me if there was a blog called “I hate Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs”. I might be angry, like you are. I might lash out and try to protect myself by only listening to the fawning fans that really “love”” me. But honestly, if it were me, I think it would start a process where I truly tried to understand what I had done to offend and how I might make amends. I would examine exactly what my motives had been where I had failed. I would read each and every one of these comments, to see how I am perceived by the people that “hate” me. (Many of us don’t “hate” anyone, but we do not like the person we see on screen, and in public appearances, and in the press, and on facebook and twitter and JillZarin.com.)

    There are several recurring themes here on Lynn’s (wonderful) blog, but the most consistent, I think is how you have repeatedly said “I’m sorry”, but what you really mean is that you shouldn’t really be held accountable for your actions.

    People “hate” you because your apologies are false. The 9 hour reunion show must have been a grueling day for you, and we could all see that you really tried to stick to your plan – say “I’m sorry” for each of the transgressions that were clearly shown throughout the season and for which you were called on the carpet at the reunion. But, in between the “I’m sorry’s” were denials and angry outbursts that made the “I’m sorry’s” ring totally false. It must have been grueling to have to watch it in three successive weeks, and we could see how false you were by your subsequent tweets, facebook messages and blogs. We’re not dumb, Jill, and many screen captures were made of the things you said and then erased. Your final blog, the one still standing, says that you have “apologized enough”. There are lots of your former fans that don’t believe that you’ve apologized at all. We think that you decided to go big, and try to make Bethenny the scapegoat, so her show would fail and you would still be the queen of RHONY. And you failed BIG.

    By now pretending that you only want the best for her, you perpetuate this falseness. I, for one, am amazed that you haven’t been blogging or tweeting or facebooking your congratulations after watching each episode of BGM?. The show has charm, wit and it celebrates a woman you say you still truly care for. Wouldn’t you want to celebrate for her if you can’t celebrate with her? Can’t bring yourself to REALLY be happy for her, can you?

    This is getting way too long, but I would also suggest that you read the words of the blogs and the comments here and recognize that this isn’t some crazy hating site – it has become a community of posters who share our insights, who treat each other with the utmost respect, and truthfully, respond to each other with so much more dignity than you have treated your “friends” on the show. I would get into the Alex subject, but really, all of the above applies. You need to treat others with kindness and respect and truth and then, and only then, will you gain the adoration you are so clearly seeking.

    With respect,


    • dumberries says:

      Very well said Cukoo! If only she would read it and actually take your good advice. I’d suggesting mailing a copy to Zarin Fabrics, but then she might try to have you arrested for perpetrating a hate crime..

      • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

        Because privileged white women in NY are a protected class!

        I don’t really believe that anyone can tell her anything, and the post was written as if she was a person that was capable of introspection – which s probably not the case. But I feel better!!

        “Bawby, they’re being so mean to me! Buy me something!”

    • boston02127 says:

      @ CuckooforCocoaPuffs — Well said.

      • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

        Thanks, Boston!

        • @CCP That was awesome…and I totally co-sign. I think many (like myself) “hate” Jill so much because we were initially fans. To watch her mask melt off right in front of my eyes, episode by episode, left me with a frozen WTF face when it came to Jill. Then, when I realized that the truth of her had been revealed, I was pissed at her for “duping” me. I felt bamboozled and jilted and wanted all the love back that I gave her the previous two seasons. Thanks to Lynn, and all you you, I’ve gotten it back and then some. Payback’s a motha.

  77. Squirrels says:

    Hmmm. Ginger Zarin posted this on twitter –


    “@JiIIZarin <~ This is the real Jill Zarin acct only her friends can see! I found it on her computer! Click, Follow"


    Apparently that is where she sticks all of her blocked fans. In her second acct.

    rut roh… lol

  78. Squirrels says:

    Oh, darn. Latest super sleuth Ginger tweet.

    Darn I can’t access that Jill zarin tweet site again For a min there somehow they were redirecting @jillzarin to another meaner Jill Zarin.

    Someone get that puppy opposable thumbs – pronto !

    • Squirrels says:

      However, here’s what I found when I hit the Following link –

      Jill follows only 6 ppl.

      Daniellestaub and…. wait for it….


      • I’m supposed to be reading. 🙂

        Couldn’t pass up this opportunity to say,

        Hi Jill! How are your trolls doing? The Amazon one did a really great job of trashing your rep and book sales this weekend. Tell it “THANKS!”


  79. kats2 says:

    It’s a fake Jill Zarin site the real Ginger Zarin created. Very funny tweets acting like Jill.

    Twitter sucks ass, just keep trying it will get you there (refresh)

  80. xenophile says:

    Funny post about Kelly running through traffic (again)…


    Media whore anyone ?

  81. Dwight Schrute says:

    So twice this season we’ve heard Danielle go on about how everyone else called her these terrible things in front of her children during the finale. It seems like she likes to throw bombs and then try to hide behind them. During the finale they stopped taping so that some of the younger children could leave the room. Danielle had absolutely no problem with letting her kids stay so her complaints about them thrashing her in front of her kids rings hollow.

    Most of the other women, Caroline, Dina, Jacqueline, all seem happy enough to ignore Danielle and not even mention her name. Theresa, however, is another story. Whereas the others don’t trust others who trash her and are suspicious of them (the Kims), Theresa’s eyes go wide with glee of hearing the Kims trash her or discussing the sex tape.

    Something about this group of women. I just don’t see it ending well and I’m a little bit scared. I think it’s gonna go too far a la the Jenny Jones murder. I’m serious here, not joking. I’ve had visions of one of the Kims opening a duffel bag to find the head of the other Kim inside as a warning from Danielle or learning that Danielle has betrayed Danny and the results are not good.

  82. HD says:

    Teresa has totally gotten the big head her. That season finale last year made her think she was really something special. In my neck of the woods Teresa wouldn’t put fear in anybody.

    She pretends to be a bad ass because people say she “flipped a table”. No honey, YOU PUSHED A TABLE. Flipping a table means it is totally turned over. Teresa doesn’t scare anyone and once again she is trying to act like some hardcore Jersey chick that kicks ass and takes names later. I am hardly impressed. Bravo has inflated her ego a little too much. Pay your damn bills. You are so tough. Be tough on tackling your bills. Loser!

    • kats2 says:

      She is totally a loser great post and HAPPY B-DAY!!!!

    • desertgal66 says:

      Happy Birthday!

      Tina Brown of Vanity Fair once commented that, when certain egos increase in proportion with notoriety/infamy, their heads do appear bigger. This is actually true. Elizabeth Taylor? Big head. Tom Cruise? Big head. OJ Simpson? Well, okay, his head probably doesn’t look that large now, but for a while there, it was like a Goodyear Blimp on top of a neck.

      Consider Jill Zarin’s head in the first season and her head now. Big head.
      Teresa Giudice? Her head’s been getting bigger by the minute. The only scary thing about her is whether a head can actually explode from ego.

      • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

        Or in T’s case, her head is getting biggger in a way that is making her hairline meet her eyebrows, which is scary!

  83. Adios Lunatic says:

    Happy belated birthday, HD!

    I cannot stand Danielle, but the instigator last night was Teresa. Danielle’s behavior throughout was VILE, but she didn’t start that altercation. Teresa needs to own that one and Ashley needs to own that she didn’t help. I swear Danielle is like a hurricane with a big swirling eye that just catches everything in its path regardless of whether or not they want to be. (I’m in Houston so hurricane season is “special” for me).

    I read the Bravo blogs by the ahem “ladies” tonight and thought it interesting that Danielle doesn’t thank Kim G. in any of them. She seems to thank a lot of other people, but not Kim G — her bestie. Interesting – maybe something good is finally coming there although Kim G. is a nasty sh*t stirring “lady.”

    • On WWHL when Danielle was on recently, Andy asked her about each Kim. To each name, Danielle replied “who?” They’re no longer friends of hers as they are friends of the other side or backstabbers in Danielle’s opinion. Jill to the extreme! Well, maybe not that extreme at all, given jill’s behavior.

      Well, I was going to stay off here but Ginger cat has my spot on the bed and won’t budge. Wanted to read for a change. 😦 Guess she sensed my intention of routing her and hunkered down. Usually all I have to do is sit on the edge of the bed and she’s gone. Smart ass cats! LOL! Guess I can go read anyway somewhere else.

    • Teresa is a piece of work! She went there with the intention of causing some kind of scene. Who lurks outside a ladies room? Danielle didn’t want to talk to her and should have just kept walking. Jackie was probably peeing her pants with excitement. Where were those two moron body guards? We should make a citizen’s arrest on all of them! I can’t watch them anymore……….

  84. CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

    “The comments on Gawker with this same photo were pretty funny, but I nearly spit out the Pinot Grigio with the description of Kelly as “the piece of crazy glased salmon jerky”. TThanks!

    • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

      Oops – that was in response to Xenophile’s link to the dlisted article.

      • xenophile says:

        the blogger is insanely snarky… another one of my favorite lines has to be this: “After Kelly starts galloping in the heat for a while she stars to reek of grilled leather, microwaved plastic yogurt cups and freshly shat out jelly beans…”

    • Squirrels says:

      Wasn’t that line wonderful? lol.

  85. Squirrels says:

    Wow, Jill’s second acct is following me! I almost feel special.

    • Squirrels says:

      But how did she see I’d found the acct thru Ginger? I only posted it on one blog. Hmmm.

      I know, I know….


      • kats2 says:

        Squirrels that second Jill Twitter was created by the real Ginger Zarin. So most of us here who were following the dog are now following the owner. But you’re still special 🙂

  86. Squirrels says:

    Found this on Jill’s Bravo blog. Summed her season up well. Should I post the name too? Don’t know the protocol.

    “Jill, I have loved you in the past seasons but it was very hard watching you this year. It was the need to spin everything around you better than what anyone else has.

    It’s wonderful that you love your daughter unconditionally but the “best and brightest” spiel doesn’t hold muster when it is the ACTs you’re talking about and not the SATs which are what top colleges accept.

    “Bobby is an absolute treasure and your birthday gift shopping made me feel very sad for both of you. Your perceived “quid pro quo” and greed over the most high end jewelry when millions cannot pay their mortgages or find a job.

    In this season, you failed to “be real” and came across as insincere and selfish. I hope you spend more time listening to Bobby who seems well-grounded and real.”

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Nice find! yes, it is ok to post the name if you want to, not a big deal since the name is already out there for anyone to see. It really does sum it up well! A tad too nice, but accurate nonetheless

  87. kats2 says:

    New info on the 2 Kim’s – they are sister-in-laws.


    Like we said, there’s always more to the story. You know Kim D. (or Kim DePaola), the other half of what we call, “The Killer Kims”? She is Granatell’s sister-in-law, which Bravo hasn’t seen fit to share with us yet.

    • Is New Jersey that small that they can’t find five people who aren’t related to each other????

      • dumberries says:

        Betchya they can’t find 5 people who aren’t related that are willing to interact with the rest of them. It takes a special breed. Can’t imagine the 3 Kim’s would be a casting agent’s dream.

    • Squirrels says:

      “Well, obviously things have changed. Today, Granatell says she would definitely join the cast next season if the network asked. And with people like Elvira Grau already throwing their hats in the ring, Granatell feels pretty confident she can deliver what the series needs.

      “Quite frankly, I have the goods,” she says. “Does Elvira have the goods? She couldn’t play in my ballpark. I’d annihilate her in every which way.”

      Well, this fits in with the earlier article on how over reacting sells here in the good ol’ US of A. If Kim G. gets the gig, then it will be official. Bravo doesn’t want to improve content, they’d rather watch the ladies annihilate one another, ’cause it’s fun and it makes those bad boys rich.

      If you’ve seen Lucky Number Slevin, you’ll recognize the Kansas City shuffle. So please, let us not forget, it’s still a franchise with men pulling the strings. (don’t get me wrong, I adore men 😀 )

      Yet, I would like to see a new show. One where like Bad Girls Club, 6 gay men are put into a house and we watch the firework display of bad behavior, cattiness, underhanded tricks, all to be declared “Top Dog”.

      After critic induced humiliation and the response from the gay community; after it strikes home with Andy what it feels like to be stereotyped as a gender inferior; and only after sponsors flee like rats from that proverbial sinking ship, will anything change.

    • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

      What Bravo needs is one more person that sees their role as “annihilating” someone else! ?! Does anyone else think that this RHONJ idea has become a runaway train? Bravo needs to pull the plug on this show!

      • dumberries says:

        Yes, it’s a runaway train for sure! Wasn’t it getting higher ratings than NY? Thought I read that – just doesn’t make sense.

      • Squirrels says:

        Why any woman outside of state prison would want to expose herself via a global media outlet as the antagonizer who will do anything for notoriety beats the hell outta me.

      • lillybee says:

        Bravo, please pull the plug on this trainwreck of a show.

    • bamabelle57 says:

      The article didn’t say how they are sister-in-laws. There’s several possibilities. Why did Kim G. think Bravo would announce it? Why haven’t the Killer-Kim’s said something on the show about it?

      Does any of this make sense? LOL. I’m going to bed…

  88. dumberries says:

    I miss the NY ladies (except Zarin)! I agree with other posters earlier that the Housewives franchise has jumped the shark. But, don’t think the NY ladies should
    be lumped in with the others. I won’t be watching Altanta, OC, or NJ, but am looking forward to the next season of RHoNY. The difference:
    1. We’ve never seen the NY ladies pulling each other’s hair or bitch slapping one another (like Kim, Sheree, and Nee Nee of Atlanta). We’ve seen some wicked verbal confrontations between the NY ladies, but that’s interesting – when it’s honestly felt, in your face and subsequently addressed. I can handle that from type A attention-seeking women who hang out socially together for a few months but aren’t close friends. Watching grown women in a street fight, however, not cool and not interesting.
    2. I can’t even imagine Avery Singer, the DeLesseps teens or Ally (Zarin’s daughter) launching Twitter and Facebook wars with a 47 year old woman, much less physically assaulting an elder and getting arrested for it – like Ashley from NJ (and a few of the older OC offspring are almost as disrespectful to their own parents).
    3. None of the NY ladies have financially burdened taxpayers or misrepresented themselves by spending way more money than they have to fake a lifestyle they can’t afford (like Teresa NJ, NeNe Atlanta, and Lynne OC). Yes, LuAnn may have been renting her town-house and had to down-scale after the divorce, but she wasn’t living beyond her means and she adjusted as needed. Same with Alex and Simon. They bought a fixer-upper that they could afford and slowly turned it into a fab place as finances allowed. Bethenny too – rented a tiny little apartment her first seasons on the show while she was struggling to build her brand.
    4. We’ve never seen a NY housewife get a tattoo like Tamra OC (not against tattoos, but wouldn’t expect it from the NY ladies), pole dance with dollar bills coming out of their booty shorts on tv (Danielle NJ), or flirt/make passes at a fellow housewife’s child (Gretchen OC and Danielle NJ).

    I could go on, but those are examples of how the other 3 HW shows have jumped the shark and very quickly!. The NY show, on the other hand, had one dark season due to one big a-hole by the name of Zarin (and her manipulation of others), but it’s higher quality, has a longer shelf life, and could be fun again. (P.S. No offense to fans of the other HWs shows; just a comparative analysis based on earlier comments, from my viewpoint only)

  89. Squirrels says:

    Nice point re: the kids. Our children are most often reflections of ourselves.

  90. dancekrazy says:

    Good blog, Claire.
    As I wrote last night, I watch NJ wives because it is like a train wreck that we can’t look away from.
    I need a website just devoted to rhony so I can vent my feelings about Jill and LuAnn–honestly I am such a sad specimen. Are you setting up another website for other BRAVO shows or are we using this one?

    Thanks for your nice comment about my Kelly diagnosis blog comment.


  91. Sick of the Trolls says:

  92. Sick of the Trolls says:

    • RileyKitty says:

      This never gets old… I still don’t know why you would quibble with someone over their job title & then state you really don’t know what they do. Especially someone who makes up their own names for themselves… WTF? Tastemaker??

  93. RileyKitty says:

    Here is why I don’t like Kim G… Her stupid slicked back hair with the flip on the ends.

    There I said it, it is a completely dumb reason not to like someone but I can’t get past how much I hate her hair. Bitch has money, get to a salon & do something with that mess.

    • Squirrels says:

      hahahaha… nice to see you riley. how’s ryan?

      • Squirrels says:

        That is the name of your kitty, yes?

      • RileyKitty says:

        He is dying to get outside. Both my cats like to potty outside so he is making the litter box adjustment with a lot of whining. he got the cone off & his bandage, the vet wanted his wounded paw to get air. Thanks for asking. 🙂

    • Olivia says:

      I just read her comments on two different blogs and she is one sorry piece of work. Having her on this show would be just another Danielle disaster as this woman also appears a little unstable.

      Bravo must have have a listing for qualifications for over the hill broads with a drinking problem as criteria for being on the show. She seems to no longer be friends with Danielle and seems to dislike Dina, but she loves, loves, loves Jacqueline!

      She is shown coming out of court with Danielle last December but is now taking her to task for having Ashley arrested. Excuse me, but as much as I despise Danielle, what Ashley did is considered assault and she should be answering for her bad behavior. This from a woman with two college aged kids and one in high school who she claims are also loving her on t.v. I guess watching your mother trot all over NJ in dress the size of a coupon at her age, swilling down the booze, and acting like a spy for both camps must be a “thrill”.

      She is bragging that she is “trouble” which is an early indication of just where this idiot is coming from. The last thing that wretched show needs is another troublemaker with designs on being a “star”. I hate these people.

  94. dickens says:

    Tracie from Gawker.com had a cute way to keep the two Kims straight. For Kim D, she thinks Drunk; for Kim G, it’s G-string. Works for me!

  95. RileyKitty says:

    Holy shitballs!! Kelly has taken another page out of Jill’s book & has blocked me from twitter!!! Teresa has apparently blocked me too, must have been all my tweets about her bankrupcy. Love it!!!

  96. RileyKitty says:

    Everyone seems to head to bed when I finally have time to get on here. My son is going to Texas for 4 days on the 12th. I should have more time to myself after he leaves since baseball season will be about over as well.

    • Jenni says:

      LOL, you are so right. By the time I get done catching up on the new blogs and comments each day, it is so late at night that I am tardy for the party!

  97. Jenni says:

    @Shadows- Just in case you are lurking, good luck tomorrow, hope all goes well!

    • cusi77 says:

      @ Shadows__ We have you in our daily prayers. Best wishes for tomorrow. May God Bless you and your Family.

  98. New Amazon troll, uh, reviewer, named Jenna. As obsessed from the starting gate as Samples is with Chandler. Jill’s fans are loony!

    Part of her 5-star review of jill’s book:

    By Jenna (New York, NY) – See all my reviews
    This review is from: Secrets of a Jewish Mother: Real Advice, Real Stories, Real Love (Hardcover)
    I am going to do a video review next time! That is cool! First review ever, but I am admittedly a fan of Jills and she said to review if we received the book and liked it. I have read 50% of it at this point and I LOVE! It is so cute. I don’t know what A.Chandler is saying by her review and frankly I don’t care and neither should anyone. Publisher’s Weekly is the ONLY REAL REVIEWER here unless there was Book Scan as a reviewer. PW likes it and those are actual reviewers. PW a Reed Elservier, PLC (the largest publishing company in the world) owns it. PW has been around over 125 years and is the Bible for the publishing industry, which makes A.Chandler inconsequential in the scheme of things. I am sure she likes other books and she is fine for a dilettante, but there seems to be an axe to grind just read the first paragraph and it hits you right smack in the mouth. WHATEVER!

    • felony stupid says:

      Hmmm…starts off with “This is cool!” and ends with a lecture on Publishers Weekly and use of the word dilettante (why not just say amateur reviewer?). Interesting.

      Here fishy fishy you stink.

  99. LynnNChicago says:

    The Real Housewives of Orange County – Blogs – Jill Zarin – Intervention! | Bravo TV Official Site: http://bravo.ly/bvGfGI via @addthis”

    An old blog of Jill’s from last season’s RHOOC, I found it interesting to read it now after all the crap that Jill’s been in for her to advise Vicki to “listen” …this from a woman who NEVER listens.

  100. Katiecoo says:

    When oh When are they gonna come out with the new NY cast? The Reunion is over….what’s the hold up? 😀

  101. cusi77 says:

    Good Evening Lynn!

    Great blog from Claire Fisher! Thanks!

  102. lillybee says:

    Does anyone know the status of RHOC? Shouldn’t they be filming now?

  103. cusi77 says:

    @ Lynn_ I knew it! What JZ wanted was to have a Best Seller… All the reason to make drama using Bawbby cancer -and destroy B for the same token… was to have a best seller book… Ironic how her plans just backfired to her, I hope she will learn humility in the future before she looses more than her image in national TV…

  104. lillybee says:

    Jill’s on facebook is trolling for fans to join her virtual book club. I wouldn’t do it, but perhaps somone braver than me would do it, please.

  105. katiecoo says:

    Some nutty commentator is confronting Alana Chandler on Jill’s book page about her opinions on Vaseline and Omega watches. And the statistics she’s compiled on Alana’s reviews…disturbing kinda but hilarious too! She’s made a study out of Alana Chandler’s reviews on Amazon! And I thought I had too much time on my hands!

    • katiecoo says:

      PS back to jelly beans…my avatar just keeps changing with no rhyme or reason…from upstairs to downstairs computer but also random….cuckoo!

    • She’s definitely loony. Spamming again. Can’t believe how stupid these trolly fans of Jill’s are!

      oh, well. Let her rant; her purpose only hurt Jill more.

  106. AlternateReality says:

    A few more tweets from christopher london.

    The Real Housewives of New York to change name to The Divorced Ho’s of the Upper East Side: Tranny, Crazy Eyes, Self Medicated & Alex McCord
    7:11 PM Jun 4th via OpenBeak
    Countess LuMann releases “So Chic That I Stand When I Pee.”
    2:12 PM May 19th via OpenBeak

    Bravo TV Exec Andy Cohen is a Shit Merchant: http://www.christopherlondonblog.com
    5:01 AM Jun 2nd via OpenBeak

    JUST WONDERING, Is Producer Andy Cohen of Bravo TV the Bernie Madoff of Television robbing America of its sense of shame and dignity?
    1,277,186,531,000.00 via web

  107. AmyW says:

    I’m sorry but when that aired last season did you all notice that there were 10 people to STOP Teresa from going after her? I would love to see T confront her when NO ONE IS THERE TO CONVENIENTLY STOP HER like there has in the past. Lets see how tough she is then. I bet she’s not. Claire I think u should be a little more mutual. Teresa has shown us she is just as bad. (NO I DONT LIKE DANIELLE )

  108. Rabble Rouser says:

    I think one of the most disgusting things about this fiasco, it those idiots lent credibility Danielle’s claims that she needed a bodyguard when in their presence.

    Danielle and Theresa are by far the most vile people on the show-but more importantly their reckless spending while not having the ability to pay their bills is part of the reason why the accommodate is in the sad state it’s in. When they don’t pay their visa= it’s the rest of us that have to eat the cost in inflated interest rates.

    I’m sick to death with the the shrilling the housewife’s do- and I for one would never spend a dollar on any scheme born out of the franchises (with the exception of charities profiled obviously).

  109. Suzanne says:

    I love Jill Zarin……now, Bethany, I could do without…..perhaps she won’t be on next season’s show!

  110. John says:

    Regarding the paragraph: “The winner in this fight?”

    The correct usage should read “two Kims,” not “two Kim’s.” The former is the plural of two people named Kim, while the latter indicates the singular possessive case of one person named Kim.

  111. Dawn says:

    Salahi says she WAS a cheerleader

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