I Hate Jill Zarin Housewife News and BGM? July 2, 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin                   Bethenny’s Getting Married and Other News  July 2, 2010

The book that Bravo has released called, Real Housewives Get Personal.   Here is their description of the book:

The 10 million-plus fans of Bravo’s top show The Real Housewives want to know what happens when the cameras aren’t rolling. In this behind-the-scenes companion, the women from Orange County, New York, Atlanta, and New Jersey dish on everything from plastic surgery to personal growth and share their top-secret tips on shopping, styling, travel, fitness, and real estate. Candid personal profiles reveal what the ladies really think about the other cast members and provide a backstage view of the show’s most priceless moments: Tamra getting Gretchen drunk at her dinner party, the ‘retouching incident’ between the Countess and Bethenny, Teresa’s infamous table-flipping, and many, many more. Brimming with color photos, entertaining tidbits, straight-talking advice, and unforgettable quotes, this book is an absolute must-have, dahling!

While I had no intention of buying this book under any circumstances, we’ve now learned that there is actually inaccurate information in this book!  I doubt there is anything in this book that we didn’t already know but if they can’t even research a book on their own cast members, how can we rely on any information in this book?  Gretchen tweeted yesterday that the book indicates she’s been married and divorced twice.  She has not!  I’ve also heard about misspelled names and other minor errors. Wouldn’t a company like NBC / Bravo check and double check all of their information?  Shouldn’t they have a crackerjack editor ensuring that everything is spelled correctly?  This isn’t rocket science! 

Gretchen told us that Bravo asked for a lot of information and photos from her and she provided a lot of information and pictures from her private collection.  None of it was used in the book! 

We’re not going to learn the secret behind satchels of gold or why Vicki is such a selfish bitch, or why NeNe is such a cry baby.  This book isn’t going to tell us that certain scenes are scripted or that producers manipulate certain situations to create drama or to ensure certain housewives are at a certain location at the same time.  It’s not going to reveal who planned and paid for all of these trips the housewives take or photos of Kim without her wig. 

Andy Cohen pushes this book during each episode of Watch What Happens Live under the guise of giving a copy to each guest as a gift.  Even without Gretchen’s information, I’ve seen other excerpts on Amazon .com and see nothing there that I want to have or that adds anything to my enjoyment of the Housewives series.  Photo’s that I’ve seen before and bio’s on the housewives that already exist on the web site.  At $16.47, I would suggest your money is better spent on shot glasses with Andy’ Cohen’s face on them!  But don’t expect to get a Mazel t-shirt for that price, ($25) or even a Bravo umbrella ($35). 

Bethenny’s Getting Married just keeps getting better and better.  Before we saw the first episode, I was concerned that it would be slow moving and very little happening in each episode, I thought it would all lead up to the wedding for the final episode.  Wow, was I wrong!  Bethenny’s show is jammed with constant moving scenes and things happening all along the way.  The conversations are never dull and oftentimes either gives us great insight into Bethenny, Jason or even Shawn, the wedding planner, or they are hysterical! 

Shawn actually became Bethenny’s therapist in last night’s episode.  He has the patience of a saint and I’m sure he takes a lot more abuse than we see.  I love Bethenny but I don’t think I’d want to work for her!  I realize that hormones are running wild while she’s pregnant, but being a perfectionist and as driven as she is, I still would imagine she’s pretty demanding! 

The scenes with Bethenny’s therapist are just fascinating!  I don’t know whether this is just for the camera’s or if Bethenny is truly getting the therapy she needs during these sessions but we’re certainly learning a lot more about her than we ever did on three years of Real Housewives.  Shawn, the wedding planner, tweeted last night that he is now seeing that same therapist!  He may have been kidding but it was funny!  Max, Bethenny’s assistant and Shawn typically tweet during the show. 

If you want to follow Bethenny’s supporting cast here are their Twitter names:

@maxmeisel – Bethenny’s assistant Max

@julieplake – Bethenny’s Lead Assistant, Julie

@ShawnRabideau – Bethenny’s wedding planner Shawn

Some of Shawn’s tweets:

Patriotic Cocktail Tips to celebrate the 4th!  http://bit.ly/b6Mixo

rachbarnhart    Cuomo: Gay marriage a priority in 2011 http://bit.ly/djDONE

@pinkcakebox Thanks for the mention! Here’s hoping @bethenny loves the cake! I know I did! AMAZING!

Beautiful Friday here in NYC short day, long weekend. What’s everyone doing for the 4th of July? Be safe and have fun! Cheers!

@EventSitters HONEY thank GOD for the work! Cause the days I don’t, I pray that I do. Good Luck and be well…BTW Next time in NYC Drinks!

@EventSitters safe travels and have a very safe and happy 4th! Cheers! S

@lulucup Thank you! Tell that to the man upstairs…

@RealOldHouswife keep following…I have SO MUCH to say between now and then! I PROMISE! Happy 4th! Cheers!

Thanks for all the new follows and the love tonight! Happy 4th of July…Be safe! Tune in next week for @bethenny and Jason’s BIG DAY!

@maxmeisel Thank you Max…and you are a true man and gentleman

@julieplake very sweet words julie! From the heart!

@EventZen thank you, had to keep them in @bethennys style she loved them!

#Peeinthebucket? Really is that what next week holds? WOW

#Franklin at @abeandarthurs is amazing as a chef!

That is a fab gift for Jason – way to go @Bethenny

@Kay819 oh lord, really? Need a body guard for that!

@melanie1026 thankyou!

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE #JasonsParents! they are SWEET!

Like the flowers at the #rehearsallunch? I did those!

LOL I am now seeing #bethennystherapist for real!

Can you believe #cookie bit me again?!?!

#thatsmyexit Cookie is a BITCH!

#dickripping SO not in my future! UGH enough!

#stuckonthedamncake can she ever GET OVER IT!?!

oh christ #kujo I mean #cookie the #maneater!

 Oh! Look at my girlfriend Alma Daniel on Bethenny Getting Married! She is the best!! @SRabideauEvents

@bethenny jason is a true man fabulous to see how much he loves her, the baby and their future together

#almadaniel she handles everything with grace

@Kay819 so true and thank you

I adore #AlmaDaniel! she is a fabulous woman and an amazing officiant

@EventZen thank you I very much try!

@maxmeisel oh please…you do! you are #saintmax you are such a good sport and fab assistant! You and @julieplake both deserve sainthood!

Hopefully his tweets make sense, sometimes it helps to see what they’re responding to, but usually you can get a pretty good idea and remember the timeline is from bottom to top.  (top being most recent)

Back to the episode, I had so many favorite scenes that it’s really hard to pick one but I literally laughed out loud when Max was impersonating Bethenny!  The best part is she was laughing hysterically as well proving once again that she can dish it out but she can also take it!  It was great that Bravo included how well Bethenny’s Skinnygirl Margarita’s were selling in the liquor store! 

Bethenny contradicted herself by telling Max NOT to hit on girls at the JJC event a few weeks back then called him out for not hitting on the girls at the bottle signing!  Just for the record Kelly Bensimon, this is a NORMAL contradiction that women have.  Yours are bat shit crazy! 

Watching Bethenny getting upset with Jason for not helping with the wedding was tough to watch, she was lashing out at the only person present which, of course, made no sense because we all know that what Jason explained was true.  There is no way Bethenny would have given control over any of the wedding plans to Jason.  This was a great set up, however, to seeing Jason step up and arrange to get the marriage license!  Bethenny, the queen of one-liners, says “the marriage doesn’t matter, this chicken gyro is like H2O”.  OMG I died! 

Obviously the most heartbreaking scene was with Alma Daniel, who will be performing the ceremony.  Alma’s question was a reasonable one, many times they mention family members during the ceremony so it stands to reason she would ask about family members.  Many of us women dream of our wedding day and typically it includes having Daddy walk us down the aisle.  Even with the strained relationship prior to Bobby Frankel’s death, I would bet he’s in her fantasy wedding loving her and apologetic and giving her away to her groom.  Who wouldn’t cry at the moment when it was all so real and she realized that not one family member would be present at her wedding.  Very touching moment!  As always, Jason Hoppy handled it extremely well.

The painting that Jason loved and Bethenny bought him as a wedding gift was really a fantastic piece.  I was really taken by painting.  I thought it was fun, had great color and told a story with a quick glance.  It was telling that Jason loved it so much and said that it was the two of them, particularly when the bride was running away from the groom!  It certainly shows Jason’s confidence and sense of humor.

  Bethenny getting ready for her bridal shower was hysterical!  She tried on so many dresses and ended up looking like a “pregnant sequined prostitute” 

It was so great to see Alex at Bethenny’s wedding shower, as unconventional as it was, it showed Bethenny’s fun side again jumping up on her seat and dancing!  Alex’s marital advice was probably not the most appropriate for Bethenny, of all people, I don’t think she’ll have the problem of holding anything back!  It almost seemed scripted and I hope that it wasn’t but that’s the impression I got.  The best part of Alex’s appearance on the show was just knowing that Jill Zarin was watching and fuming! 

I loved seeing Jason’s parents again, they seem like such an amazing couple who support their son, no matter what!  I love the way that they have embraced Bethenny and welcomed her into their family, this is exactly what she needs in her life!  Grandparents for her baby and a “mom” she can easily talk to whenever she needs someone to talk to. 

The wedding episode is here already!  I looks like it is going to be so great!  Obviously the Bethenny haters are going to attack her for peeing in a bucket as her assistant holds the bucket and her wedding planner holds up her dress but who cares?   I don’t personally want to see that either but as Bethenny says, “It’s what happened”

On another subject, I hadn’t been on Amazon’s reviews in quite some time, just for kicks I decided to check out the Jill Zarin 1 star reviews to see if the number had grown.  Needless to say I was shocked to see over 3,000 comments on Alana Chandler’s review.  Having no intention of reading 3,000 comments, I cut to the chase and went to the most recent comments and read.  Imagine my surprise to see that it has turned into a Bravo blog!  LOL  I found that amusing.  I guess Amazon is ok with it, because it is more visits to their site.  I also noticed that Alana is commenting right along with everyone else!  She’s like the blog host.   The discussion is about Bethenny’s show which I found to be quite ironic being on the infamous one star review of Jill’s book, especially since it is mostly in favor of Bethenny and her show! 

There is a bit of a controversial article out there on Jewish Journal web site, here is the link:

http://www.jewishjournal.com/keepingthefaith/item/bethenny_frankel_is_on_the_fast_track_to_becoming_jill_zarin_20100702/

First let me say that I admire and have a lot of respect for Ilana Angel, the writer of this blog but I do have a few comments on the content of her blog:

Ilana says:

Bethenny is annoying at the liquor store.  Her beating up on Max is getting old. 

I didn’t see that scene as “beating up on Max”.  I think she was giving him some digs and I would say he did the beating up on Bethenny with his impression of her but the fact that she was laughing hysterically tells me that she doesn’t take herself too seriously.  You would never see Jill Zarin laughing at herself.

Ilana says:

Bethenny’s fans are hardcore, and this blog will ruffle some feathers. Her peeps will say she is perfect, and I’m a bitch, but whatever.

I take exception to that!  I am a Bethenny fan but I am also not blind and I am objective.  I think most Bethenny fans would agree that she is far from perfect and the majority of us have enough common courtesy to avoid calling you a bitch!  I won’t even comment on the use of the word, “whatever”. 

Ilana says:

Perhaps Bethenny was so quick to separate from Jill,  because she saw all the things she was about to become, and couldn’t handle it.

I have to strongly disagree with this statement.  First of all, Bethenny wasn’t “quick to separate from Jill”.  Bethenny made several attempts to repair her friendship with Jill but Jill was unresponsive and combative so that statement makes no sense.

Ilana says:

I wonder what it’s like for Jill to see Bethenny’s show, not be a part of it, and watch Bethenny be all the things that she told Jill were bad.

Yes, Bethenny said at the reunion that Jill got taken over by fame.  That, however, is not the only thing that Jill did that was unforgivable.  Jill Zarin told other cast mates not to film with Bethenny, attacking Bethenny’s livelihood and her goals.  Jill berated and humiliated Bethenny when Bethenny called Jill to try to arrange a meeting to talk about the argument.  Jill said to Bethenny “we just can’t be friends” she said Bethenny was “cancer” that she had to cut out of her life and she called Bethenny “toxic”.  I could go on and on about all of the things that Jill did to Bethenny to cause their friendship to end but clearly the quote above is way too simplistic to be accurate.

I can tell you what it’s like for Jill.  Jill is green with jealousy and raging with anger that she isn’t part of Bethenny’s show or be included as a cast mate. 

The general statement that Bethenny is becoming Jill Zarin is offensive to me.  We have watched Jill Zarin all season on RHONY being vicious to Alex McCord, screaming at Ramona Singer, insulting Sonja Morgan and literally walking right past Kelly Bensimon at the airport when she was clearly in distress.  Jill is crass, rude and materialistic.  Jill persuaded Luann and Sonja to not invite Bethenny to their charity function.  This was the utmost in selfish behavior.  Not only could the charity benefit by Bethenny’s attendance but she would surely have donated some clothing to the cause.  Yet Jill wanted to “keep her circle tight”.  It wasn’t Jill’s function yet she persisted in pushing Luann to leave Bethenny off the guest list! 

Off screen Jill has gone on several television interview shows and bashed Bethenny and Alex.  She told Alex and Ramona (and most likely Luann and Kelly) not to film with Bethenny.  Jill has not only written her own 5-star Amazon review of her book but posted 1-star reviews to both Alex and Bethenny’s books.  Jill announced on Facebook and Twitter that Bethenny had given birth to a baby boy 18 hours before Bethenny delivered a baby girl.  Jill posted on her Facebook a request to fans for advice on how to make amends with Bethenny, only her timing happened to coincide with her book release.  Jill announced to reporters, bloggers, as well as on Facebook and Twitter that she sent a gift to Bethenny and Jason for their wedding to ensure fans were aware.  The list is too long to cover in one blog! 

Bethenny is hardly becoming Jill Zarin, she would never even consider doing half of these things.  Bethenny is not perfect, I would imagine you’d have trouble finding anyone who says she is, however, she has class and elegance while being funny and brutal.  She’s eloquent and brash, she can take someone’s head off yet be warm and fuzzy.  She dishes it out but she can take it!  She is a person of many faces and many personalities, she’s complicated but yes, we love her!   The one thing that she is not, nor will she ever be, is Jill Zarin! 

I think the writer, Ilana does like Bethenny as many of us do and I can certainly understand many of the comments about Bethenny’s voice, her treatment of her wedding planner and stylist, and many of the observations that were made.  I could go on with excuses about pregnancy and hormones, but it is what it is. 

The only part that I completely disagree with is the comparison to Jill Zarin, because there is none! 

Respectfully and Sincerely,

Lynn

Until Next Time….

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612 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Housewife News and BGM? July 2, 2010

  1. SunshineNYC says:

    Great blog Lynn. Bethenny is so NOT becoming Jill and that writer may have just wanted to do that piece for shock value. Bethenny doesn’t claim to know everything, doesn’t claim to be perfect.. she shoots herself down quite often. Even her therapist pointed out that she’s really hard on herself. This requires being humble and realistic, both of which Jill Zarin is not. I think the reason we all love Bethenny is b/c she’s real: she doesn’t portray herself to be living some fab life, she’s not afraid to show us her imperfections – and that’s what we can relate to.

    I think that writer is very confused.

    • quincyillinois says:

      Is this author a fan of someone like Jill Zarin? Her analysis seems flawed.

      I’m surprised New Yorkers aren’t imploding as they walk down 5th Ave. The stress levels in that city are astronomical. No wonder they run to the Hamptons, Miami and the VI.

      I think there were NYC moms in our Walmart yesterday. A lot of kids were getting yelled at and some carts were not following the Illinois Rules of the Road. It must be the stress of buying potato salad for the 4th Celebrations.

    • sophie says:

      One major difference between Bethenny and Jill, is that Bethenny will not only apologize, she’ll be the first one to do so. Jill will hold out on an apology long enough to cause as much pain as she possibly can, and only do so for the benefit of the press. If the apology will get her somewhere, something or someone, she’ll eventually give it. And in an ingenuine fashion. “Okay, so I made a mistake…I’m sawwwrrry.”

      If Bethenny truly feels she was the person wronged, she’ll ask for the apology and move on.

      But what I’ve noticed about both of these women, is that neither one of them is able to communicate their differences without bringing up the sins of the other.
      Neither one can just say….”I miss you, I’m sorry for anything I’ve done that’s hurt you..it was not my intention to do so.”

      Which is sad. I can understand this from the standpoint that Bethenny has been let down by practically everyone in her life. Jill however, with the super support system she has in her own family, should know better. Jill is merely selfish and egotistical.

      • teamb says:

        HUge,,huge difference,,,Bethenny is NOT a gold digger,,,she is being successful all on her own,,Huge,,difference,,no “bobby” there or needed,,just a great loving guy.Jason

    • dancekrazy says:

      Absolutely. The only comparison between Zarin and Bethenny is that both are very driven women: Zarin by money and fame; Bethenny by her own successful businesses, and the perfection of her brand.
      Jill is just as Bethenny described her mother to the therapist, “….manipulative, deceptive, mean, wouldn’t be happy for me, causing drama”, none of those applies to Bethenny.
      B. can be snarky and even fresh sometimes, but she is in no way deceptive or manipulative. What you see is what you get, and right to your face! Zarin is just a cheap shot all the way around.

      Great blog again, Lynn
      Thanks, Susan

  2. I agree, Lynn! To say that Bethenny is becoming Jill is proof that someone is not really paying attention. Bethenny messes up and is sometimes vicious to people, but she owns up to it without defending her actions, unlike a certain redheaded New York “trophy wife” we all know.

  3. error 404 says:

    It’s really interesting to read Ilana’s blog right after the “shock art” episode of Work of Art aired.

    Sorry, but I find Ilana’s assertion that Bethenny is becoming all the worst things about Jill to be shock art… something rude said not because she really felt it, but because she wanted to shock Bethenny fans and get more hits.

    She even wastes no time in throwing down to hard core B fans in one of the opening sentences of the blog, almost daring them to call her names and act outraged and indignant.

    I think she tries too hard.

    None of her more shocking accusations ring sincere or come with any kind of back up or justification. Really? A weekly blog complaining that the show’s star’s voice is like nails on a chalk board? Um, why bother then?

    JMHO

    • anitabee says:

      I agree 1000%.

      At this point if someone has watched BGM since the beginning and doesn’t get Bethenny, they never will.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      I absolutely agree with this. The comparison to Jill is for shock value only. How astute of you to catch it. There are no examples of Jill’s behaviour v. Bethenny’s. Just a blanket statement for the instances the blogger did not like about Bethenny. Lazy thought processes. I say “this is not art.” Thanks, error!

  4. Olivia says:

    What you described is what I believe revolves around “reality stars”. Since we are unable to judge them on their talents, we are left to judge them simply based on their personalities, behavior and delivery. What may grate on one person can be easily ignored by another. As they do not write, paint, create, sing, dance, act, or play instruments, we have only themselves as “performers” in these series to base a critique.

    As we have discovered from this blog, our conclusions consist of our own objectivity and Ilana is writing from that perspective, IMHO. So much so that we have analyzed motives along with behavior as this is all we have as viewers. The more we see of Bethenny, the more we have come to understand her and what drives her as a person. We know what Jill is. Kelly is still an enigma since we are still not certain of what motivates her beyond what we have witnessed. Is she crazy, drug dependent, immature, jealous, or a combination of them all? Opinions are divided regarding Ramona. It’s how we see them from our own experiences as this is all we have at hand. I think Ilana is trying to be evenhanded in her assessment.

    And it could very well be that we are all 100% wrong!!

    • error 404 says:

      operative word here is “trying”.

      I’m not sure flipping back and both between “i love her!” and “I hate her!” every 5 seconds is evenhanded.

    • quincyillinois says:

      The 100% shocked me. LOL. The longer that we follow the reality star, the more we learn about the person. Some are morphing into real people like Bethenny. Danielle, Kim, and Jill attempt to control reality and it’s not pretty.

      Alex and Bethenny have discovered that truth is the best direction to follow. That only works if the star is a good person at heart. They are so we can see that too.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      You’re absolutely right Olivia! We can certainly agree to disagree on many points but for Ilana to say that Bethenny is becoming Jill is really stretching it, in my opinion. I don’t see many similiarities between them at all with he exception of being on the same show.

      I haven’t analyzed her motives (some have and that’s fine) I don’t know the writer, I’ve read some of her pieces and have agreed with some and disagreed with others but I take her at her word when she says that she doesn’t know Jill or Bethenny personally. I don’t either. As you said we can only go by what we see on television, in interviews and really only what they allow us to see.

  5. anitabee says:

    I heart Bethenny.

    I’ve read Ilana blog before. I don’t understand where she comes from in regards to what she writes.

    No big deal – I just don’t read her blog anymore.

  6. Jenni says:

    So many blogs and comments, so little time! Looks like I missed a lot of troll activity, can’t say I’m sorry I missed it- but so glad folks are back and it was so well taken care of. THANKS LYNN! Hope I didn’t stir it all up somehow with my previous comments.

    Kudo’s to the guest bloggers, so enjoyed their posts! Lynn, love the blog, I always thought that Ilana had Jill’s number, but her latest blog on BGM? really misses the mark as you point out so well. 😉

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Nope Nope Nope, you didn’t stir up anything. No one here did anything wrong to create such hate, filth and drama. Just be glad you missed it 🙂

  7. CdnFillie says:

    Hi all seems I too missed all the fun with Otay. If she was all up Boston’s butt I would have stepped in too .. Thanks Lynn you are a great hostess 🙂
    I tried to register on my laptop but WordPress wouldn’t cooperate. Now I am posting here from my Iphone (which I am in liove with) and have not had to register. Hope I’m not breaking any rules.
    Also Ilana’s blog ..my sentiment exactly but she needs to make up her mind how she feels. I don’t get people that keep saying “don’t get me wrong I really like bethenny but……………. There should be no BUT….I find she flip flops too much. She’s definitely not you Lynn

  8. felony stupid says:

    Great blog! Couldn’t agree with you more on your assessment of Ilana’s article.

    Loving BGM? and can’t wait for the wedding!

  9. error 404 says:

    RE; The Book.

    It does feel sometimes like they are really trying to squeeze every last drop of water out of the housewives rock. A 3 part reunion AND a lost clips show?

    I want a RHONY lunchbox, with a picture of Bethenny screaming “go to sleep!” on the thermos.

  10. cusi77 says:

    Excellent Blog Lynn!

    I as well feel a little uncomfortable when Bethenny is hard on Jason, but is real! I just can’t imagine anyone having to many things to accomplish in a short time and being perfectionist as she is and being pregnant… Jason is down to earth and knows how to handle her… Their love is palpable!

    Somebody mention last night Bethenny told her wedding planer something like “She was consider and illegitamate child” (It is not a precise quote, sorry, but that was the meaning)… Today I saw the rerun and what B said was “people are saying I am having an illegitimate child…”

    I agree with you, Bethenny is not and never will BE as Jill is about fame… she is not a Prima Donna… She knows what she wants and whether people like it or not, she just demand what she is capable doing herself: and has to be perfect!

    Tissues for next week… lots of tissues, because last night I almost run off of them!

    Thank you. Excuse any fault.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Cusi, without sounding condesending or rude, can I just say that your English writing has improved so much it is evident with each passing day that you’re working so hard on it! Congratulatons on mastering such a difficult language! You are to be higly commended! 🙂

  11. Squirrels says:

    “Perhaps Bethenny was so quick to separate from Jill, because she saw all the things she was about to become, and couldn’t handle it.”

    I’m not sure what she means by “couldn’t handle it.” B saw her own star rising and couldn’t handle a friendship? Couldn’t handle trying to patch things up? Couldn’t handle Zarin anymore than she could wrangle an angry crocodile?

    • Jenni says:

      To me, the only way the statement makes any sense is when you read it as follows, instead of the way the author meant it!

      “Perhaps Bethenny was so quick to separate from Jill, because she (Beth) saw all the things she (Jill) was about to become, and couldn’t handle it.”

  12. TLM says:

    Lynn’s comment about JZ’s materialism compared to Bethenny made me want to continue on that issue. Supposedly this has been a giant area of difference between JZ and B, because B accused JZ of “only being interested in material things.” Whenever Bethenny has gone on these rants, she acts as if she only ever buys or wears sweatshirts and sweatpants from Walmart, buys her earrings at Walgreens, and carries a Ziploc baggie for a purse. Enough already.

    I am calling B out on this one. I will never forget her remark that she would “stick a fork in your eyeball” to Jill at a birthday dinner for B at a restaurant, merely because JZ asked if she was getting a watch for her birthday. B acted like she has no interest whatsoever in material things, while all the while sporting the latest Herve Leger dresses and designer shoes, and new outfits in every scene. Her Jennifer Miller bracelet she wore on the USVI cruise? $895. She mercilessly made fun of Alex & Simon and their fixation with “shopping,” yet did a video on shopping at Intermix the same year, saying a $1200 dress wasn’t a bad price, and hanging out with Ginny Hilfiger, who gave her free clothes to wear. And she describes herself as “frugal.” Obviously that term is relative.

    I saw B wearing many things I was curious about but literally was afraid to ask her about — even anonymously in an email!! This was because of the way she flipped out when anyone dared to talk about labels or ask her about them, despite her attending several shows at Fashion Week and being perfectly styled for every appearance, often looking much better put together than any of the other cast members. She loved when Alex gave her her designer pregnancy jeans with labels I had never heard of, but she clearly was familiar with. Obviously she cares about labels.

    I was shocked to find out that the person who was excoriating Jill for talking about diamonds has a Cartier gold watch and at least one Michele watch, and many Louboutin, Alexander McQueen and other pumps in the neighborhood of $500+ a pair. Not to mention the endless handbags. Many of them I had to do a lot of digging on the Web for obscure interviews where B divulged the designers’ names. They are all top labels. She has said on her CDs, “With food, good enough just isn’t – or with anything for that matter.” I don’t begrudge her any of this, but why verbally beat the shit out of anyone who dares to ask what label something is that you’re wearing, and take the attitude they only care about material things? And how can B claim she doesn’t?

    Then there was the incident at the engagement party with JZ talking excessively about B’s ring. It was obvious why Jill did that. JZ was going on and on about it because it was an awkward situation that had been unresolved and she didn’t want to deal with the uncomfortable part, just like when she arrived in USVI. It was easier to talk about what a beautiful ring it was and joke with Jason about the price instead of apologizing for acting like a child and avoiding B the whole evening. But when B was with Jason afterward, she immediately said, “She only cares about material things.” Are you kidding? Wasn’t it obvious what had taken place? And JZ and B had talked plenty about what kind of ring B would want, and B was the one happily bragging and showing off the ring and its profile on the Wendy Williams TV show, and telling Wendy on the radio show you could never have diamonds that are too big.

    The only explanation I can surmise that explains this hot-and-cold attitude about labels is that it goes back to B’s guilt over being a golddigger herself for years before meeting the man she’s now married to. This is not my word, but hers. She spoke to Wendy Williams at length about it in a radio interview with her that is posted on YouTube, and now in her therapy sessions on BGM she is talking about it as well. She loves labels and material things, but she doesn’t want to SEEM like she does. Well, Alex loves labels, but that doesn’t make her a bad person, nor does it make her someone who doesn’t care about her friends. Give us a little more credit for being able to understand that.

    Since her new show began airing, apparently in reaction to what must have been many requests for information, B started doing “Show and Tell” on her website, which tells you what she wore and who the designer is. It sounds like she is finally open to talking about labels, but I still feel like you never know when she could suddenly decide a conversation is “too materialistic” and flip out. I would be nervous to be a reporter asking her what she is wearing. To me it is akin to people being afraid to say the word “feelings” around Kelly lest she roll her eyes and yell, “OH MY GOD – 1979!! FREE TO BE YOU AND ME!!!!”. Yet Kelly said to Ramona that “it hurt my feelings” that Ramona didn’t invite her to her Labor Day party, and “it hurt my feelings” that Ramona didn’t stand up for her on the USVI trip (when they spoke at Jill’s skating party).

    I like Bethenny. I don’t like Kelly, and I really, really don’t like Jill. But hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and just like I wish someone called Kelly out whenever she mentioned her “hurt feelings”, I wish someone would say to Bethenny, cut the crap already with the “You’re so materialistic” speeches. B is just as interested in fashion and labels as everyone else on the show. I wish she would address her attitude about this and explain it in her own words in an interview, but I have not found one yet that calls this issue into question. It has irritated the hell out of me.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      I can’t even begin to answer all your observations about Bethenny and materialism. Except to say that my overall experience of Jill is her focus on “how things appear,” whether that be jewels or clothes or even people. That is not Bethenny’s focus. Her focus has been and is on the need to live and survive. That she likes good things is true, but it is not her focus in life. She is now getting a chance to not only survive but live, and I think her focus is now on Jason and Bryn and living a happy life. If she wears a faboulous watch while doing so, I am superficial enough to enjoy it with her.

      I do enjoy your posts and your thoughtful comments. I am an unabashed Bethenny admirer so my comments may not be as even handed. I just like the woman and admire her persistence in the face of what life has dealt her.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      You know I have thought about your comments some more; they are well thought out. It just hit me that perhaps Bethenny’s mom was all about labels and the cost of things to the exclusion of anything else. Child Bethenny may have hated being diminished compared to all the things her mom thought were important. This may explain her over the top anger at Jill’s need to know how much things cost and ‘where did you get that.’ To be diminished is the wound and her attitude toward being superficial is her defense, like her humor. I think Bethenny’s humor is a defense against her mom’s focus on how Bethenny looked, how much she weighed etc. Didn’t Bethenny tell Dr. Amador that her mom told her that she married men she didn’t want to marry to be able to take care of Bethenny? The weight of that would be a lot to carry for a young girl.

      Ok, gonna stop now. Just thoughts.

      • TLM says:

        I get the sense the Mom was what we would think of as a “golddigger,” chasing men so that they could support her. I think Bethenny was likely an afterthought. Without seeing her Mom on the show or elsewhere, it’s hard to get a sense of her M.O., but from everything Bethenny has said, I kind of get a picture of a woman like Danielle, who is fundamentally unstable, manipulative of her kids, and is looking for a man to “take care of her” like Danielle said she was at the beginning of the season.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I’m impressed that you know so many designers.

      I have a number of friends who were born in India. They are “into” labels. If you say that their baby looks cute in the stroller in the mall, you get a list of the designers from shoes to the cute little hat on the top of the baby’s head. It’s something that they care about.

      Bethenny goes to those Fashion shows and I suspect everyone mentions names and has a watch from that designer. Jill goes overboard with the excitement over what she is given. Her car…..her boots…. her watch…
      It’s a matter of degree.

      Jason commented that Jill only bragged about her new car when she met him. She didn’t notice or seem interested in Jason who was very important to her “close” friend Bethenny. That’s telling.

      • TLM says:

        It’s funny, because I *used* to think I knew a lot of designers before this show!! There are so many new ones that have come out, and if you follow what Alex wears, the names are really obscure and you probably haven’t heard of them unless you’re a serious follower of fashion.

        From reading peoples’ comments on this issue about Jill, I see a pattern with Jill that she talks about fashion and material things because she simply doesn’t have much else going on in her life. It seems to be an easy thing for her to sort of fall back on as a topic of conversation. She doesn’t realize how one-dimensional it makes her sound. I hate to say it, but… maybe she really does need a hobby!!

        @Cuckooforcocoapuffs, I have a slightly different take after reading what you said. I think Bethenny was desperate for Jason #1 not to perceive her as a golddigger, and she worried that Jill’s talk about what else he was going to buy for her was going to make him think she couldn’t wait to get married so she could start spending his money. He was already skittish, and she was hanging onto that relationship with her fingernails for dear life with a man who clearly didn’t want to move in together, even though she was in his bed every night. Asking for more extravagant gifts from a man who was worth millions, yet was chintzy enough to buy his fiancee $38 earrings, was definitely rocking the boat, and that’s why Bethenny had to make it sound like she was completely disgusted by Jill’s question. To me that seems to explain it somewhat.

    • cuckooforcocoapuffs says:

      Interesting observations. I (respectfullly) disagree about the scene where she says she is going to poke Jill’s eye’s out. My take on it was that Jill was embarrassing Jason, insinuating that he didn’t get her “enough” and Bethenny was being protective.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I saw that scene as Jill was giving both Jason and Bethenny an uncomfortable “grilling” asking questions about their relationship and the amount of money spent on presents – and Bethenny got fed up! Jill didn’t pick up on the signals that the conversation was one B didn’t want to have at dinner.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        That was my recollection too, that Jill was actually criticizing Jason 1’s gift as not enough and he should have gotten something more, something more expensive.

        That’s what was driving B nuts: that J was going on about the cost of the gift and what Jason 1 should have gotten B (which was really none of her business, by the way) and inserting her retail approach to relationships when they were just supposed to be enjoying the company and celebrating B’s birthday.

        • Jani says:

          As I recall, Jill’s statement was: “Are we still working on a watch?” It kinda made me sick, as if B and JZ were talking behind Jason’s back about a way to get Jason to buy B the perfect watch.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I think one of the main differences that shows Jill is materalistic and Bethenny, maybe not so much is when they TALK about what they have and the labels they’re wearing.

      Yes, Bethenny (and even Alex) have an area on their web sites that provide information on who and what they’re wearing. This is in response to the hundreds of requests that they get everytime they appear on air. There are emails, tweets, facebook posts asking these ladies about their clothes, accessories and jewelry. Alex explained that it is so much easier just to post everything in one place and answer all those questions at one time. In addition to that, the Housewives are almost always wearing borrowed clothes. Alex said that 90% of the wardrobe that you see all of the housewives wearing are sent to them from various designers and then are returned. This is why, with a few exceptions, you won’t see them wearing the same thing more than once. (this may or may not be the case with BGM? but this is what Alex said goes on with RHONY)

      There is no way that Bethenny could have afforded that wardrobe during season one without this perk that all the ladies enjoy. That is why, in all fairness, I didn’t run too hard with Ramona’s comment that Jill “borrows” clothing from Saks, wears it and then returns it. According to Alex, that is what is done by all the housewives. Maybe not with Saks’ clothing, but with the various designers wanting to have their clothes on screen.

      We may see Bethenny wearing a really expensive watch but we didn’t see her flashing it at the camera the way that Jill did. When Jill made a big deal about Bethenny’s engagement ring, what struck me most was how her tone changed. She started out mellow and calm, “Bobby and I wanted to congratulate you” but when it came to the ring, she squeeled like a school girl. It was the huge contrast between those two moments that did it for me. But to ask Jason about the carat count was tacky! Had it been the Bellino’s from OC, maybe Jim would have offered that information without being asked “7 carats of diamonds” but I think asking is wrong.

      Personally, I think that most women love clothing, accessories and jewelry. If money was no object, we would all have the best of the best, wouldn’t we? Does that make us materalistic? Maybe, but to me, it is just about having nice things that you want, looking and feeling your best and having the highest quality that you can get. Obviously now Bethenny could buy anything she wants, she’s earned millions, but she’s still frugal because that’s who she is.

      She got excited about shopping at Costco, why? Because they have amazing deals there. She could be shopping at the finest top of the line bakery’s and gormet food stores but I think she still looks for bargains. I don’t think she buys labels, $16,000 handbags and expensive jewelry just to say she has them and show them off on television.

      Trying to be objective and give Jill Zarin the benefit of the doubt but I still think Jill is all about showing off and having the best of the best just to outdo other people. I think Jill is materalistic.

      • cuckooforcocoapuffs says:

        I don’t think she was truly happy for them at that point. I think she realized she would look like a jackass if she didn’t congratulate them. When she did, it was with no warmth or excitement – until she saw the rock, at which point her reaction was genuine.

        • cuckooforcocoapuffs says:

          Wait, not maybe genuine excitement – maybe she was envious (I don’t know how her diamond compares to B’s) or she was mentally calculating how much it cost – because that is the most important thing to Jill.

      • FredTheCatTravels says:

        Lynn, I just want to point out that in the first season of RHONY Bethenny had two different Birkin bags. Not only are they impossible to get, but they are about $20,000 each.

        I don’t think Bethenny has ever had to struggle and her being poor in her eyes is not owning her own home in the Hamptons kind of poor.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          I guarantee those handbags did not belong to Bethenny. Alex explained that designers and department stores provide the clothing , jewelry and accessories (90% of it) that the women wear. It is all borrowed and returned which is why you rarely see the same thing twice.

          • Need a Hobby says:

            Also, B has said some of those expensive trinkets like some of her designer bags were gifts from men she dated back in her “gold digger” days.

        • FredTheCatTravels says:

          The thing with the Birkin is you literally cannot go into a Hermes store and buy one because they are never on the market.

          Hermes would never loan Bethanny a bag. They would not close their Paris store down so Oprah could shop.

          • emt2 says:

            They borrow clothes and accessories from stylists. So, no Hermes, the store didn’t call Bethenny and loan her a bag.

            If you watch this season, you’ll notice that everyone carrys a black Hermes bag at least once except for Kelly. That’s the same Hermes bag being shared.

            Jill and Luann have worn the same necklaces. Jill and Sonya wore the same Dior dress and boots. Luann and Kelly wore the same brown fur vest.

            If you pay really close attention, you’ll start to notice how often the same clothing, accessories and purses appear on all of the castmates.

            • FredTheCatTravels says:

              This is the last thing I’ll say on this and I’m right on this point, those were Bethenny’s Birkins and she carried a light blue one and a light brown one.

              They were not new and had some wear on them.

              A Birkin is not a designer bag but the magnum opus of a newbie fashionista.

              Posh Spice even has to buy her Birkins.

              The entire point of my original post was to point out that I don’t think Bethenny was ever as ‘broke’ as people think she was.

              Her idea of broke and most people’s are very different.

              She was an upper east side girl for a long time. That in itself speaks volumes.

              The UES is very old money, preppy, Rockefellerish. Fashion is a blood sport on the UES.

              I had a corporate apartment in Midtown West and played in these raindeer games with these girls.

              UES broke is about 150,000 a year.

              • emt2 says:

                I argee with your overall point that B wasn’t as poor as she was pretending to be.

                And I’ve lived on the UES and know exactly how expensive it is to live there.

                That being said, many of the things that the entire cast wears are borrowed. That’s just a fact. Bethenny said so herself when she spoke about borrowing clothes from Ginny Hilfiger first season. Certainly not everything she wears or carries is borrowed but many things are.

                Anyway, we’ll just agree to disagree.
                You

    • emt2 says:

      I agree with your post.

      Bethenny’s ring is a HUGE rock. She wears HUGE diamond earrings. If she didn’t care about that kind of stuff, why is wearing them?

      Also, she is always at a fashion show (she has walked in at least 5 between all season of RHONYC and BGM), yet she claims not to be interested in fashion, at all. ???

      She is very materialistic but she doesn’t want to seem like it.

      And she name drops celebrity, as well. Not as bad as Jill but she does it.

      I actually think that B and Jill are very similar except Jill is at the extreme end of the spectrum and has more of a vindictive quality to her.

  13. error 404 says:

    I think there is a difference between being ‘interested in’ and being ‘obsessed with’.

    ex: Bethenny drives a VW, which isn’t a junk but a cute little zippy car that she has no qualms about using as a billboard. Jill was given either a BMW or a Mercedes, I forget which, and less than 3 minutes after receiving it, starting complaining that it wasn’t good enough.

    The birthday watches: B didn’t want to hear Jill’s rant about JasonI and a birthday watch. Did you see this season’s clip where Jill makes Bobby buy her a blinging watch and then promisses him sex for it?

    It’s obvious that B is right behind Ramona in the “my Mom f#$ked me up with weird issues about men, money and dependence/independence” race. Jill has no such problems. She’s a whore who calls herself a wife.

    • TLM says:

      No question, a big difference between JZ and B is that JZ is a spoiled woman who has to ask her husband to buy her things, whereas B is self-made and pays her own way. So that explains why B has always had to look at the price of things, where Jill doesn’t care. And yes, the scene where JZ was all excited about the new car and then went to “I’m not happy,” just because it was incompatible with an iPhone, forcing Bawby to say he would take the car, was just unbelievable. I also thought Jill’s “joke” about sex in exchange for jewelry was in bad taste.

      But my issue with B is how she always felt she needed to reiterate how she couldn’t stand talking about “material things,” as if she were utterly disgusted about them, which is not true. I feel the same way about this as B felt about Luann, that she was professing one thing while doing another. B was just as concerned as JZ that she not look a certain way. It’s just that Jill wanted to show off her things, and B wanted to downplay them. That seems to be the difference.

      I have often wondered about how much of the housewives’ clothing and accessories are free or not. I remember being shocked that someone said Alex’s supposed shopping spree at Blue & Cream was at a NINETY percent discount. Must be nice! And Teresa said that the amount shown on the bill at the boutique she went to was far more than what she paid. I blame Bravo for these things. Supposedly this is a reality show, and doing things like that is the equivalent of lying to the viewers. I noticed a while back that the same dresses pop up here and there (if you’re a geek like I am, you’ll see that the same blue strapless dress Dina wore at the famous “last supper” was also worn by Jill’s daughter Ally at the Creaky Joints fundraiser; Alexis Bellino wore the same yellow dress in confessionals that Vicki wore in the finale) so I was wondering if they were supplied for free. Bethenny has those pearl-with-one-pave-bead necklaces in almost every color, and I suspected that was a gift of the designer. The thing that gets confusing is when B talks about whether or not something is a good price. The implication is that she is going to be paying for it. Why would anyone do that if it’s free? Is she just pretending to pay for things? She has publicly said she buys from designerapparel.com and Ebay in general, and those things are not cheap. Maybe you’ll see shoes reduced from $1000 to $600, that kind of thing. I assumed she pays for these herself, but who knows… maybe Bravo gives them a clothing allowance as part of their fee.

      • error 404 says:

        Jill grew up middle class and Bethenny grew up rich, even if it was hot and cold. To quote Ramona, it’s declasse to talk about money. B went to a private boarding school, probably with kids a lot richer than her. I think she learnt only tacky people talk about how much things cost.

        One reason why Jill talks about it 24/7 is to show off and assert her worth. After all, marrying a rich man is THE only accomplishment she has in her whole life.

        Sonja, Lulu and Kelly may have married older rich men, but they did act as mothers and traditional society wives. You never see them beg their husbands on behalf of their kids.

        Jill is the second wife, with no kids by her sugar daddy. She is often seen on camera asking Bobby for money and things on behalf of her daughter by another man. Perhaps Jill just does this to show off how rich Bobby is, but I find it declasse to see a woman publicly beg their husband for material things.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      There is a difference between interested in and obsessed with. Jill is obsessed and the “things” have a different meaning to her. Bethenny has interests but it isn’t across the board like Jill. There are so many designers, upscale brands, status items to choose from – Jill choses them all. Material symbols of wealth are Jill’s life blood – her validation. Bethenny seems to be finding her designer style but isn’t a walking billboard.

  14. Smompy says:

    Thanks for another great post, Lynn! I might possibly be exaggerating just slightly when I say this, but BGM has quickly become one of my all-time favorite shows. That is: I really look forward to Thursday nights lately, just for the chance to see a new BGM episode. And I’ve honestly enjoyed each new episode more than the previous one. Plus, since the wedding is airing next week, I’m already starting to get worried that BGM will all be over soon…and that makes me a little depressed. What’ll I do without my weekly BGM fix? So,Brabo, what’s the prognosis for this show anyway?

    I stopped reading Ilana’s blog a while ago because, like others here mentioned, I feel she’s not being totally honest about what she’s seeing, or even feeling. I gave her the benefit of the doubt for a while because I’ve seen many other seemingly rational people write shockingly inaccurate stuff about what happened on BGM, but in this case I really do get the impression Ilana is now writing certain things for shock value alone, or just to get a certain reaction from her readers. To me she contradicts herself way too much and seems to have gotten deliberatel provocattive.. To say that Bethenny was beating up on Max at the liquor store? Come on, Ilana, if you watched the show, you KNOW that didn’t happen. Bethenny laughed more than anyone else there. Also, as Lynn noted, comparing anyone to Jill Zarin is a very serious undertaking. Since Ilana is clearly aware of just how malignant and nasty Jill is, to say that Bethenny is becoming her clone is so over the top that I can’t even take her seriously as a genuine, authentic and honest (like Kelly) blogger any more. If you sincerely find Bethenny’s manic behavior tough to watch, or if you just don’t find her entertaining at all, that’s fine! But Bethenny is certainly NOT becoming another Jill Zarin TYVM! For God’s sake, you might as well compare her to Atila the Hun or Vlad the Impaler!

    And by the way, what woman (especially a woman known to be a perfectionist) DOESN’T get hyper or manic or downright snippy when she’s planning her wedding – in the span of four weeks – while she’s pregnant and very hormonal – with a book deadline coming up very fast??? I had none of those destractions myself, yet as my wedding drew near, I was pretty much an unbearable, controlling harpy. Once the wedding was over I probably became much less unberable to my poor, defenseless loved ones.. Really, unless you’re eloping to Vegas, planning your wedding in a hurry is always very stressful for the bride. And it’s not like Bethenny was REALLY going to cut Shawn’s penis off. I’m pretty sure that (along with most of Bethenny’s other threatening demands to Shawn) was meant to be sarcastic & hyperbolic.

    Although I still hate Bethenny’s dress and I already know how the wedding turned out, dollars to donuts, watching the actual ceremony next week will make me cry. No doubt I will also laugh:)

  15. lillybee says:

    I just checked out Jill’s Facebook. She now has a person dedicated to removing any negative posts. She says if you find one, please email this person who will remove them. Will Jill never stop?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill just can’t handle negative anything when it is about her! If it is about, say Bethenny, she is drooling over the slams, etc. To remove all negative references shows how truly insecure Jill is as a person. Ramona called it more than once – Jill can dish it out but she can’t take it!

  16. Adgirl says:

    Not that I think Bethenny is a Jill mini-me but I can understand how the columnist could arrive at that theory. Also, after watching BGM this week I do get put off by Bethenny’s nasty remarks (didn’t she say she would rip the wedding planner’s balls off about the cake?) so I can see how watching an hour of Bethenny can be about 40 minutes too much for some people.
    Bethenny does dress fabulously well. Chic, expensive, properly fitted and always appropiate for the occassion. Her wardrobe can be viewed as contrary to her let’s keep it “real” image. It’s kind of like Carrie Bradshaw, a columnist for an alternative weekly (yeah, pays amazingly well I’m sure – not!) lived in a rent controlled studio apartment but dines and dresses like she’s an heiress.

    WE don’t believe Bethenny is like Jill because of Jill’s off screen behavior.
    To my knowledge Bethenny did not demand Jill to include her in every interview or potential spin off show that was offered. Bethenny has not claimed she “made” Jill a star or that Bethenny housed and fed her when Jill was homeless. Bethenny also hasn’t demanded free slag from retailers and designers.
    Additionally, Bethenny hasn’t tried to undermine Jill by demanding cast mates not film with her or, by giving anonymous damaging reviews about Jill’s book or products. Bethenny doesn’t attack book reviewers or twitter followers.

    There is more, but really now, I’m just tired and my tooth hurts. I need a cocktail and a codeine before bed.

    My point is the similarities between the ladies is surface only. I think Ilana knows this and hopes to see more “good” Bethenny on BGM.

    • TLM says:

      I think the Carrie Bradshaw analogy is excellent because the wardrobe seems unrealistic. And I have wondered how someone who said she couldn’t pay her rent, and is someone who is financially disciplined, could have been wearing new and different expensive outfits on each show. Maybe the clothes were provided for free.

    • TLM says:

      I, too, have overdosed on the ball-and-dick comments by B. It almost sounds like a strange obsession with her:

      To Jason: “Look at this…cashews till your penis falls off.”
      To Shawn: “I’ll rip your dick off.”
      To the therapist: “I ripped his (Shawn’s) balls off.”
      To the Bloomingdale’s salesman: “Do many couples come in here ripping each others’ balls off?”

      Jesus. I don’t even have a dick or balls, but these comments are so violent they make my crotch hurt.

    • TLM says:

      Adgirl: Yes, JZ does keep score! I was glad B called her out on the reunion by saying, “I wasn’t homeless.” Many of us made that observation during the season and were pissed off by Jill’s repeated comment that she “gave her a home when she needed it.” My only comment was about the labels & designers issue. I agree there are many differences in JZ and B’s personalities.

  17. Smompy says:

    “Then there was the incident at the engagement party with JZ talking excessively about B’s ring. It was obvious why Jill did that. JZ was going on and on about it because it was an awkward situation that had been unresolved and she didn’t want to deal with the uncomfortable part, just like when she arrived in USVI. It was easier to talk about what a beautiful ring it was and joke with Jason about the price instead of apologizing for acting like a child and avoiding B the whole evening. But when B was with Jason afterward, she immediately said, “She only cares about material things.” Are you kidding? Wasn’t it obvious what had taken place?”

    I’m sorry, but I think you missed the point Bethenny was making with her comment about Jill’s reaction to the ring. Jill’s congratulating Bethenny and Jason felt completely forced and insincere. I imagine that’s because it WAS forced and insincere. And Jill herself said as much before seeking out Jason and Bethenny that night. When Kelly first told Jill and LuAnn about Bethenny’s engagement, Jill showed almost no interest at all. All she could muster was some lame, “Aww, good for her” or whatever. But then Jill told Bobby, on camera, that she thought maybe she should go and congratulate Bethenny because if she didn’t do so, that’d make HER look bad. That was Jill’s sole motivation – how her own public image might be hurt if she wasn’t fake nice to Bethenny at that event. Her congratulations were all for show. And, as Bethenny rightly pointed out, the only time Jill got animated and seemed genuinely interested or happy for her was when she was talking about the friggin’ ring. THAT was Jill being her usual materialistic self.

    And there’s a huge difference between OWNING some expensive stuff and VALUING that expensive stuff more than you value your friends, or any of the many other things that really matter in life.

    Who cares what kind of purse or shoes Bethenny wears in public, just as long as she isn’t giving those things more importance than they deserve? I’ll bet if Bethenny was barred from ever wearing designer clothing again, she could easily deal with it, being that she doesn’t care that much about these unimportant material possessions. Just look at how spare and simple her apartment was. The same can not be said of Jill though. She absolutely LIVES to show off her obscenely expensive shmatas, baubles and trinkets. Jill uses her money (or more accurately, her husband’s money) and her material possessions as both a weapon and a security blanket. Bethenny simply doesn’t do this.

    Can you honestly imagine Jill Zarin having fun while shopping at Costco? Because I sure can’t. I can only imagine her whining and bitching about everything in that store being beneath her, or bragging about how she could buy and sell everyone there When it comes to the importance of material things, that’s the difference between Jill and Bethenny. Bethenny may have some nice, expensive things but her life’s happiness is not based on what she owns and how much she spent on it, whereas Jill is a materialistic whore who believes that the more money she frivilously spends and the more overpriced clothing & jool-a-ree she buys, the more important she is.

    • DesertGal says:

      Well said, Smompy.

    • TLM says:

      I don’t know, I think this can get into splitting hairs. I agree that JZ’s congratulations were insincere – it was established at the reunion that JZ did not want to look bad. That being said, once she said congratulations, she didn’t want to address the core issue of her bad behavior, so she focused on the ring and stupidly thought she and B could get all giddy over that together. At another time, they might have. But it was too late. It was just like at Ramona’s wedding, when Jill kept yelling, “You’re having a baby!!…Who gives a shit?” and she thought she could sweep B up in the moment into forgetting everything and being friends again. She wanted to jump back to friendship without ever taking responsibility for what she did, and everyone saw that for what it was. So I agree with you, but I think her avoidance of issues and wanting not to look bad are not mutually exclusive. I think both were at work there.

      B and JZ have very different styles and a different aesthetic. B’s is not ornate like Jill’s, which explains the difference in decor in their apartments. Even now that she is making more money, her apartment looks very simple. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a very expensive apartment. Even when B was in her very simple one-bedroom, she still was wearing Louboutins and expensive clothing but saying she couldn’t stand talking about it. That’s all I am saying.

      I think Jill could enjoy Costco in that she always likes a bargain, but I could also see her bitching as well, LOL.

      I enjoyed reading your thoughts, and I agree that the owning/valuing distinction is important.

      • DesertGal says:

        It was just like at Ramona’s wedding, when Jill kept yelling, “You’re having a baby!!…Who gives a shit?” and she thought she could sweep B up in the moment into forgetting everything and being friends again.

        You know, the funny part about that was that, when Bethenny was responding with “I don’t give a shit!”, I think she was directing the comment at Jill and their former friendship…and it went completely over Jill’s head. The look on Jason’s face said that he got the real meaning behind Bethenny saying that, and was trying not to laugh at how oblivious Jill was, since Bethenny was essentially telling her to f**k off.

        • TLM says:

          Well, JZ meant “who gives a shit about our past conflict”…obviously she wasn’t saying to B, who gives a shit that you’re having a baby. LOL. But yes, Jill was saying it to say, let’s forget about it and make up, and B was just saying, let’s forget about it, period. I was stunned that JZ would say, “I can’t change” after supposedly being willing to do anything to get B back. She is really a strange person. Her latest “hate is part of the ecosystem” comment suggests that like Ramona said, maybe she is hanging around Kelly too much.

          • Maddiegirl says:

            @TLM

            I understand what you are saying about B. She can definitely be off-the-wall and I know I could not live with that personality type. Although I do empathize with what she is going through.

            None of us are perfect. It is just so refreshing when people like B realize it and try to be a better person. B. has many redeeming qualities and a vulnerability that makes her endearing.

            Jill on the other hand has been nothing but ruthless, on the show and off. After this season aired I went back to watch seasons 1 and 2. She was the same then, just wasn’t as noticeable with B’s wit to take the edge off. Even though Jill is losing friends and status as a fan fave, she doesn’t believe she is wrong and says “I can’t change.”

            Big difference for me.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill was a bitch during the scene where Bethenny (sheepishly) let Ramona announce her engagement. This was another watershed moment that gives us the I hate Jill Zarin ammo – If Jill was truly happy for Bethenny then she would have come over to her (without the lame Bawby excuse) and congratulated her!!!! It was a big dream for Bethenny and Jill KNEW it! Then to come outside with a lame excuse “YOU left and I had to find Bawby” – strike two Jill. Finally, to gush about the ring and not the engagement was strike three. Jill made it awkward, Jill diminished Bethenny and Jason’s engagement and Jill showed her true colors yet again. As much as I was happy for Bethenny, Jill tried to ruin the moment. Which is why I hate Jill Zarin!

    • Kokuanani says:

      Can you honestly imagine Jill Zarin having fun while shopping at Costco?

      Well, based on my visit to Costco yesterday, I can point out that they do have a “jewelry and watches” department. However, having not examined it closely, I would bet that the top [discounted] price for items there is around $3000.

      So, no, I can’t imagine Jill having fun shopping there.

  18. suebhoney says:

    Can’t sleep and battery is about to die in lap top so I will admit to not reading all the posts yet but…my question is this:

    Why didn’t Shawn take a piece of the damn cake back to B. in NY so she could try it? He could have called the bakery that night to confirm yes or no on the cake. This would have reduced all the cake drama…I think??? Am I missing something here?

    Love the blog Lynn (as ususal!!!)!!! Uh oh…blinking red light on laptop now…but hit post!!!

    • katiecoo says:

      He should have taken a piece back imo too.
      But who knows what the timing issues were…..

      • Adgirl says:

        I know!!!! That was on my mind too. The only thing I could think of was Sean & Bethenny were not planning to see each other for a few days so the sample cake would be old.

        BTW – is his name spelled Shawn or Sean??
        And who else thinks Bravo is setting him for his own show???

  19. katiecoo says:

    Great blog post Lynn! ❤ to you and everyone else!

  20. suebhoney says:

    aha! 11 minutes left on this battery!! Not dead yet!

    Thought…this is the email address that JZ left on her FB for people to “alert” mean comments to her FB police people she hired (which JZ is calling SPAM…how stupid): maggierey7046@hotmail.com

    I thought Maggie would appreciate a few nice emails of sympathy for her very sucky job and what can only be a truly horrendous boss!! Maybe it would make her life better knowing that other people really hate her employer just as much as she probably does! Poor dear probably needs a good paycheck and keeps her comments to herself…I think she could use our support!! 🙂

    • lillybee says:

      Jill also wants people to notify facebook, too.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Oh thats right! People should bother the people at Facebook because some people don’t like her. Because I’m sure they care!

        • teamb says:

          Lynn,,,I love u,,,u are just too cool…hahhaha..and thank u,,when I iwant to get my aggression out,,I have ur blog..thank u,,,next,,I put Jill or Kelly’s face on a punching bag and go to town.!

  21. cuckooforcocoapuffs says:

    How funny and what a great idea. I was going to say that I can’t believe that she would spend money to shield herself from public opinion that isn’t fawning over her – but then again, it’s Bawby’s money and the SPAM obviously upsets her. She needs to put on her big girl panties and recognize that if you behave badly in front of 2 million people, they are going to “hate” you.

    • quincyillinois says:

      Jill is the Wicked Witch of the West and…the man behind the curtain.
      She tried to create Emerald City with real emeralds.

      I followed a link to a pic of Jill on a water ride and she did not have a team of people doing makeup and hair that day. Like Oprah, Jill seems to have a very different face without make up.

      One of my first cousins became a make up artist and he worked in Hollywood on huge productions like the original “Planet of the Apes.” He died of AIDS in 1977, but he would come to Chicago before that and do the makeup for all of his relatives when people got married. He was too sick to do mine, but he came to be with me anyway.

      I have great respect for the people behind the scenes in these reality shows. I’m glad that we get to meet Julie and Max. It’s great that we get to see the people who do Bethenny’s hair and makeup. She is friendly and respectful to them. (Teresa…you are so wrong about Bethenny.

  22. Earring Girl says:

    Danielle in NY Post Page Six – “all press is good press”??????
    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/danielle_gets_real_close_7QYkfGxC1Z3Ob4FCwgo2IL

  23. rawhideaz says:

    Great blog Lynn.

  24. DesertGal says:

    From the previous blog:

    LynnNChicago says:
    That is one difference I noticed between NY and NJ housewives. The Jersey girls almost always thank a server when they bring them a drink or their food. I’ve seen the NY ladies barely even acknowledge servers and wait staff. That bothers me.

    It depends on the housewife. Bethenny is always polite. She’s been a little hard on her own staff during the BGM? episodes, but we’re also seeing her during a very stressful time. Have to wait to see how she interacts with them next season. As far as other staff and servers and misc. people that are helping her, I’ve never seen her be rude or dismissive.

    Alex is polite. LuAnn is condescending. Jill is Jill. Sonja-well, we haven’t seen much of how she behaves towards staff and servers, so I don’t know.

    During the VI trip, we saw more interaction with staff and servers, and Ramona can be downright rude. Although…I’m willing to give her a pass on not saying thank you when the guy handed her the glass of wine…Kelly was behaving so bizarrely that Ramona was focused on that, and, in fairness, all of them were. That one instance could have been an oversight and not intentional rudeness on her part. Otherwise, her rudeness really bothers me. It’s definitely one of the least pleasant aspects of Ramona’s personality.

    I also think the OC and Atlanta housewives can be extremely rude to wait staff, etc.

    • Adgirl says:

      I would expect Sonja to very pleasant and appropiate with wait staff considering her history working in a fine dining establishment. Isn’t that how she met Daddy Warbucks?

      • talltank says:

        In the episode where Sonja was shopping, I recall her thanking the driver for picking her up on time, as well as her being gracious to the staff on the yacht and at the house. Unlike Luann, Sonja is to the manner born.

  25. DesertGal says:

    LynnNChicago Says: Personally, I think that most women love clothing, accessories and jewelry. If money was no object, we would all have the best of the best, wouldn’t we? Does that make us materalistic? Maybe, but to me, it is just about having nice things that you want, looking and feeling your best and having the highest quality that you can get.

    “Materialistic” depends on the motivation behind the purchase, I think.

    I like wearing beautiful clothes and accessories, in the same way that I like hanging lovely pictures on my walls – it gives me a lift and I feel happier. Like Alex said. high fashion can be “wearable art”, and there’s nothing wrong with wearing something that makes you feel good.

    Now, in Jill’s case, it seems she is more motivated by showing off the cost of things. Her watch was “expensive”, her apartment redo was “expensive”, etc, etc. That, to me, is materialistic.

    Many of us, Bethenny included, buy things, cheap or expensive, because we like them. We enjoy them. We feel good wearing or using them. But, we don’t value them above the “real” things in our lives – family, friends, etc.

    Jill puts the focus on how “high” she is living. Big difference.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Fashion in NYC is a sport – it is a designer centric city! Fashion Week is a big deal – for not just well know but upcoming designers as well. It doesn’t make women materialist – it is what it is and I can’t label them because of it.

  26. bjm90 says:

    Remember when the Countess spent the night at Jill’s? What was the one thing Jill did–bring out her exclusive Saks card to brag about. “Oh Luann look what I have–Bobby’s gonna kill me” hahahaha! Who does that? Jill must be very insecure to think that having and wearing designer stuff makes her important and better than others. Bethenny wears designer’s too–but it isn’t “who” she is. If I had the money I’d wear expesive clothing too! And I think the point Bethenny was making about when Jason met Jill and she went on and on about herself and her “things” is that she didn’t ask him anything about himself. She wasn’t trying to get to know him–just brag about herself.

    • TLM says:

      Ok, ok, you’ve convinced me. Jill is more materialistic than Bethenny. LOL.

      Agreed about the card, as well as her bragging at Saks that the part of the store they went to was “only for the best customers” or something like that. I think it is sad that anyone gets hung up on getting a certain credit card as meaning they are an important person, or that getting a higher credit limit is some kind of meaningful rite of passage in life. We saw that with mentions of the “black titanium card” in the OC, who had it and who didn’t. Who gives a crap, I thought? I mean, that’s a marketer’s dream, if you can get people to buy into it, which I can’t believe intelligent people would do, or at least people with lots of money. But there you are.

      This is why I previously went on my rant about that stupid bar Coerte took Luann to. Jill said Luann would have driven straight by the Brooklyn fashion show because it wasn’t fancy enough for her. Yet Luann would happily trek to this storefront surrounded by trash bags and looking like it was in the middle of Beirut, just because it was deemed the hot or chic place? Ooh, it doesn’t even have the real name of the place on the outside sign, so it must be chic! Talk about the Emporor’s New Clothes.

      People who chase things like that are to me, pathetic. I admire people who have tons of money and still prefer to eat in diners or unfancy places because they like the food and know it’s a good value, and they don’t give a shit what other people think. They don’t feel they need to show up at the latest “hot” place all the cool kids are going to, which invariably becomes yesterday’s news in 5 minutes anyway.

      • DesertGal says:

        Thank you! It always makes me laugh when people brag about their “platinum” or “black” credit cards (or whatever they are called-I’m not really up on credit card levels.)

        To me, “Hey, look! I have a platinum credit card” translates to “Hey, look! I put myself $250,000 (or whatever outrageous limit those cards have) in debt, and I’m dumb enough to be paying really, really high interest on it!”

        • LynnNChicago says:

          I could be wrong but I don’t think that these stores send out credit cards without someone requesting them? do they? Would a store like Saks just automatically send out a high limit credit card without someone applying for one? Or for existing customers who already have cards, do they send out higher limit cards without a request from the customer? Maybe they do, does anyone know?

          I have heard of these stores raising credit limits automatically but wouldn’t a new card in a new “class” have different terms and conditions? (maybe different interest rates, different payment schedules, etc) There are so many new credit card laws that I can’t keep up anymore.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            Cards (for both department stores and AmEx) are based on how much the individual spends with them! The bill is the same regardless of the “status” of the shopper. To brag about how much one spends is so declasse…..just ask the countass.

          • jezzibel says:

            There is a difference between being rich and looking rich. People that are truly rich want to stay that way..so they bargin shop, they lease nice cars(or buy sensible ones) rent nice properties, or own land..still have to pay for it,but its not as expensive. A good example of wanting to look affluent is someone like Teresa from RHONJ, all that money wasted to look like something your not.
            When I was younger I sold fur coats at a upmarket boutique and the people that could afford one or more tended to be low key about it, but the people that really could’nt afford to buy even one, were the ones that were dressed to the nines and all blinged out, and trying to appear rich.

      • anitabee says:

        To throw in my $.02 in, my brother made an observation decades ago that I still believe today about money and people.

        My brother has worked in the ritziest Country Clubs of Illinois since he was 16 years old. Now in his 50s he is the general manager of one.
        He said that people born with money are normal and act respectfully. People that came into money (ala Jill) are the biggest pain in the asses for they simply don’t how to act or treat people they considered “lower” than themselves.
        He once told me the funniest story about a snotty woman at a wedding at the Club who was married to a Chicago multimillionaire. She was talking about an artist’s work that she has seen at the Art Instititue. People around her couldn’t figure out who she was talking about.

        She kept saying the artist Ran – OR. She meant Renoir.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Your brother is spot on – money can define you if you want it to. Those who think money is the end all usually are the ones who flaunt their materialistic insecurities. Those who come from real money don’t normally have issues with it.

        • kmuellfa says:

          Love it. I think I can top it. My parents had money and we always belonged to a country club. However, I worked at our club from the age of 15.
          Your brother’s impressions are spot on. There was a certain member who was a total ass to me while I served him and his family. About a week later, I was with my parents having dinner at the club when the ass came up to us and was kind of kissing my Dad’s ass. After introductions were made, I reminded him that we had already met, I served him last week. He turned beet red and started to stutter.
          Afterwords, my Dad asked what that was about, and he explained that he was the asshat’s boss.

  27. TLM says:

    Desertgal, that is a great distinction. Jill is very much about social status and maintaining status. Maybe that is the core issue that drives everything – the false apologies, the clothing and and the jewelry, making sure Bawby doesn’t leave.

    The funny thing is that where I thought this was at its most blatant did not have to do with JZ’s clothing or jewelry, but rather when she brought Kelly to Ally’s photo shoot and talked about she was able to brag about Kelly, “SHE’S with ME.” And she had this smirk that said, “So there.” I wanted to retch. She basically said right there that in inviting Kelly, she was using Kelly for her status in the modeling world, like she had added another celebrity to her collection. That made her seem far more of a social climber than Alex & Simon ever were. Kelly is a very troubled girl, and I think to this day she actually thinks Jill is really her friend. The reality is that Jill only turned to her after she was dumped by Bethenny to find a new project. Yet when Kelly had her breakdown, Jill blew it all off. She doesn’t care one bit about getting Kelly help. She only cared about the cache of having a former model as a connection.

    I think JZ’s more obsessed with being a “connector” than A&S ever were with finding them. Whereas that term came across as crass to many when Alex said it, Jill actually viewed it as a compliment. She liked feeling she had the power to do things like that. What we didn’t know at the time was that she kept score and kept track of favors so that she could lay claim to that at a future date.

    • DesertGal says:

      The way that Jill keeps score is disgusting, and one of the most unappealing things about her.

      At Bethenny’s birthday dinner in the previous season (1st? 2nd? Can’t remember), Jill was even keeping score of the gifts that Jason1 had given Bethenny. “Bawwby, you should see the earrings Jason gave Bethenny! Bethenny, show Bawwwby the earrings! They’re so expensive and just fabulous!” Small wonder that B. threatened to stick a fork in Jill’s eye if she didn’t shut up.

      She keeps score of the monetary value of other people’s possessions? WHO DOES THAT?? It’s appalling.

      A friend of mine recently got engaged after several years of widowhood. Her fiance bought her a beautiful ring that she just loves. I’m thrilled for her…not because it was expensive (I have no idea if it was, and wouldn’t ask because I don’t care), or because the stone is a large one, etc, etc…but because she’s happy, and she’d be just as happy if he’d given her a cigar band to put on her finger. That’s all that matters.

      I would never keep score, and go home to my husband and say, “Oh, you should see the ring Rob got Jenny! It’s a million and a half carats, and he paid 4 gazillion dollars for it! That means he must love her lots!”

  28. LynnNChicago says:

    From Jill’s Facebook page:

    Due to the spam problems that we had I can no longer answer you personally on Facebook. But you can write me at jillzarin.com or email my board administrator Maggie at
    maggierey7046@hotmail.com with any questions.

    Jill Zarin Since I can’t be on this 24/7 , if you see an inapporpriate comment, please contact maggie at maggierey7046@hotmail.com and report to her as well as FACEBOOK. She will come on asap and remove and block. Again…the haters are part of the eco system.stay positive and smile!

    What a JOKE! In other words she has an unpaid intern watching her web site overnight? Seriously Jill! Its not “spam” just because they don’t like you and have a thing or two to say about your horrible behavior! You don’t have a problem with Spam, you have a problem with people calling you out and you’re not liking it.

    Sure I wouldn’t like it either but when you behave badly on TV and in the press, people are going to notice. What’s this about quoting Kelly? “Haters are part of the eco-system”? Are you freakin kidding me? Even Jill supporters have got to be questioning Jill’s alliance with Kelly, no? Eco-system, Another word that will need to be defined for Jill Zarin along with “disproportionate” and “shell-shocked”.

    • Jill has actually said this several times, only the “board administrator” title is new. LOL! Before, it was her or her assistant. Only Jill could have entitled that position with a pompous name! It’s probably more along the lines of minimum wage clerk or unpaid intern, as someone else pointed out. Jill did say that she would pay minimum wage, not $25/hour as was being bantered around the net at the time. LOL! 😛

      This proves that any negative comments really bothers Jill. 🙂 Not negative in name-calling type, but in the calling-her-out type comments. Of course, she gets both kinds.

      Jill wants anything connected to her to be positive only–her facebook page, her twitter, her website, her Amazon book’s page reviews and comments…All the negativity regarding her bad behavior bothers her. It is something she hasn’t been able to control, except on her website, and I’d say all the negative comments posted to her website that she doesn’t post but has to read ruffles her feathers.

      🙂

      Jill is unrealistic, deluded and narcissistic. If Jill cannot handle the negative press/opinions about her, then she shouldn’t be in the public eye. Real celebrities have to deal with both; why should D-list “celebrities” be any different? Oh, I know why, because it is Jill. Big whoop!

  29. Bobbi says:

    Contrary to Ilana’s assertions in her blog that Bethenny’s fans don’t see her flaws, part of the reason I like Bethenny so much is that she IS flawed and isn’t afraid to show it to one and all. Who among us is without flaw? The fact that Bethenny is so open about her shortcomings is a large part of what draws me to her. I see parts of myself in her and certainly relate to some of the reasons she became this person. The fact that she is so self-aware and becoming more so on a daily basis, provides hope to people that are struggling with their own battles. I have been watching her since the days of her appearance on Martha Stewart’s Apprentice and she has grown by leaps and bounds. Her story is one of inspiration and redemption as a result of determination, persistence and hard, hard work. You just can’t help but root for her. To equate her to Jill is simply ludicrous and a huge stretch. Imo, Ilana’s comparisons are completely invalid because her premise is totally false. No way is Bethenny becoming Jill.

    That being said, I loved Thursday’s episode. The circumstances were totally different but I completely relate to Bethenny’s stress about her wedding and being alone. I cried during this show reliving some of what I felt at the time. But, ultimately it left me feeling uplifted. I am so happy for Bethenny for what she has achieved for herself, personally and professionally. Her resilience buoys me too. Can’t wait to see the next show!

    • I agree Bobbi. I think that’s what endears Bethenny to her fans–that she is flawed and not afraid to show it and is open to learn about herself and to grow. I think it’s grossly premature to caution Bethenny about falling into the same trap that Jill has as Bethenny hasn’t displayed any of the behavior that indicates one is doing just that. Anyone in the public eye could very well fall into the same trap, but saying Bethenny is headed (or bound to head) in the same direction as Jill when she’s so obviously not is presumptuous.

    • Maddiegirl says:

      Bobbi, you should put your post in the comments section of the article. Your points are spot on.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I love Bethenny’s flaws – she owns them and I admire that too.

    • katiecoo says:

      Very good points! Thank you for articulating this so well!

  30. boston02127 says:

    Great Blog Lynn. 5 stars!
    I think Jill would pay millions of Bobby’s cash to be like Bethenny. Also, I’m hoping for a second season. If there is I hope they find a spot for Shawn to come back.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Bawby doesn’t have enough money to turn Jill into Bethenny (although Jill might think so). I too want a second season of BGM? (new title?) because B’s show is refreshing and different from RHONY – like icing on a cake!

    • cajunlady says:

      news to Jill: money can’t buy you class!

  31. Olivia says:

    One of the first episodes of the series showed Jill taking Ally to Rehab Camp and throwing in the tidbit that Bobby paid $5,000 for the private plane to get them there. As far as I could see, there was no other reason to mention this unless she was trying to tell us how well off they were to be able to afford that luxury. Fast forward to the day she and Kelly visited the handbag designer who was charging $16,000 for a bag and once again we are being treated to information that she had the wealth that enabled her to purchase one of those accessories without batting an eye. In almost every scene, Jill is able to mention the cost, or at least the suggestion, that she is spending far more than what the rest of us can on purchases because it is what defines her.

    My impression of Ilana’s suggestion that Bethenny was turning into Jill was seeing her in some scenes behaving badly, not that she was imitating her materialistic side. The danger is always there for these purported “stars” who get carried away with the exposure. We see scenes with Bethenny where she behaves in a controlling fashion much as Jill does with everything she touches. I think Ilana was pointing out that this too could befall Bethenny owing to her need to control. The difference is that Bethenny at least owns up to it whereas Jill takes it as a given.

    • A major difference between Bethenny’s controlling behavior and Jill is that Bethenny is controlling things directly connected to her life; Jill tries to control everything/everyone around her also.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill’s unexcusable need to tell everyone how much things cost is something that people with old money frown on – IMO she does it to show us how fabulous she is!

  32. Squirrels says:

    “It was just like at Ramona’s wedding, when Jill kept yelling, “You’re having a baby!!…Who gives a shit?” ”

    My favorite conversation. B replies, “I don’t give a shit”. She just didn’t bother to add, “about YOU”.

  33. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s tweet:
    Congrats to @dlovato for talking about systematic bullying. Its a serious issue that has hurt many people. I don’t take this lightly.
    .
    Kelly-It’s time to forget the imaginary bullying that goes on in your little one track mind. You’re totally demented.

  34. Squirrels says:

    I saw the clip of B asking Terri to be her maid of honor again, and noticed as she finishes the question, she smiles with what appeared to me to be a “please please don’t say no” look.

    It made me smile, too.

  35. MAMAZ says:

    The proof that Bethenny is not becoming like Jill Zarin was the RHONY reunion show. Rememebr that was filmed after BGM? and we saw Bethenny being gracious to JZ and LuAnn even after all they put her through. Would Jill do that? Her actions towards Alex McCord say otherwise.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Bethenny at the Reunion was trying so hard to fend off Jill’s public pressure to be friends! She didn’t come out and tell Jill to knock it off but IMO she had already made her decision:” Jill Zarin, good for Bethenny or bad for Bethenny?”

  36. Squirrels says:

    You know I love nice clothes, etc. I buy labels because they last longer than one season. The difference is, I buy them at Ross / Marshalls/ TJMaxx.

    Family motto – never pay retail.

  37. Olivia says:

    The Jill/Kelly “lovefest” cracks me up. Does anyone seriously believe that these two are actually “friends”? Particularly from Jill’s perspective.

    Kelly is one of the dullest, dumbest, uneducated, humorless people on the planet while Jill is the most calculating, manipulative, and mean spirited. They have absolutely nothing in common outside of living in the same city. Kelly can barely carry on an intelligent conversation and while Jill may be a lot of things, she is not that stupid. She even admits to not understanding half of what Kelly says so it only stands to reason that whatever “friendship” exists it is there for the sole purpose of what Jill herself is getting out of it. Namely: revenge against the others by way of numbers. Jill/Kelly/Lu Ann against Bethenny/Alex/Ramona. Can’t quite place Sonja into that equation as yet since she appears neutral up until now. And Ramona is usually inclined to waver back and forth like a weathervane so that part is iffy.

    Kelly may cling to Jill because I doubt she has many friends per se. But Jill is using Kelly for her own ends and nothing more. I even credit Jill for having outgrown Sesame Street where Kelly still resides.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      You know what else dawned on me duing the reunion, from Kelly’s perspective, she watched as Jill kissed Bethenny’s ass, apologize and then the hug at the end with all of Jill’s words to Bethenny, “I love you, I miss you and hope we can be friends again”. If this were all sincere wouldn’t Kelly be upset with Jill? Bethenny is Kelly’s number one enemy, now her new BFF, Jill is now sucking up to Bethenny?

      Immediately after the hug, Jill gave Kelly a look that said (to me), “see, this is what we talked about, I’m only doing all of this for show and follwing your PR102 rule” it was as though Jill had to make sure that Kelly knew it wasn’t all sincere, it was only to improve her image. I think Bethenny saw it too which was why Bethenny didn’t take Jill’s apologies very seriously.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Felt that too! Jill was trying to give Kelly signals the entire reunion, “don’t go after Bethenny, go after Alex and Ramona” “give your bully speech so I can claim I was bullied too” “make sure everyone knows that BRAS was after you the entire trip”! Jill was like the puppetmaster, unfortunately, her puppet is a broke down hot mess.

  38. boston02127 says:

    Jill’s news letter:

    Newsletter #8
    July 3, 2010

    Hello from the Hamptons,

    Happy Fourth of July Weekend!

    4 years ago, on July 4, 2007, The Real Housewives of New York City was born. We filmed the first scene at my home in Watermill. The only house housewife there was Ramona. Bethenny and Luann weren’t cast yet and I had never met Alex and Simon. We had 250 friends sign a release to be on camera. It was quite strange for all of us. Looking through the photos brought back such great memories. Ally was a “little girl” and now all grown up and now we have 2 grandchildren! My hair was very red! So much has happened since that first day. I am most grateful to all of you for letting me into your hearts and homes to share our lives with you. I read all of you emails and am so thankful for the letters you have mailed, gifts you have sent and love you have given to my family around the world.

    A lot has changed since that day and I have to admit, I would do it all over again if given the chance. Bravo changed our lives forever and we will continue to use this gift ( of exposure) to help those who need it the most. We have been able to do more charity work and community outreach. July 4th is one of our favorite holidays. When we lived in Watermill, we held an annual July 4th party. We sold that house and are now renting a house by the beach. The kids love the sand and ocean and felt if we are only going to the Hamptons in the summer, we might as well be next to the beach. Bobby rode a bike today for the first time in years. I took the children to the local farm ( 2 blocks away) to meet Tom the turkey. I wish I took a photo. He was circling us…almost flirting. It was the funniest thing ever.

    This weekend, the house is overflowing with family and friends. We stayed in tonight so I could cook a family dinner. I prepped all day and couldn’t be happier.

    Tomorrow morning I have pilates and then to the beach all day. Lot of people have sent me books to read for the summer so I plan to start reading them tomorrow! Sunday we have another family BBQ in Amagansett and just more fun in the sun. Afterwards we are having a bonfire on the beach and making S’mores. My favorite camp activity years ago, eating S’mores brings back so many good memories. I knew I should have taken guitar lessons! What is better than playing guitar on the beach in front of a bonfire?

    Wherever your Fourth of July plans may take you this weekend, may they include the smell of food being grilled followed by a fireworks display.

    Don’t know what to make for the 4th? Here are some of my favorite recipes:

    What we had for dinner last night:

    Bruschetta

    Chopped tomatoes ( very bright red and juicy)
    Basil
    Garlic
    EVOO
    mix all together
    Add diced mozzarella cheese ( NOT BUFFALO!) must be the hard mozzarella

    Don’t put on bread until ready to eat

    Slice French bread thinly, brush with garlic infused olive oil and toast till crisp. Can be pre-made. The more stale the better! (Great for crutons!)

    Jill’s Famous Salad

    Use one Heart for 2 people
    Heart of Romaine Lettuce
    Red onion
    Sliced carrots
    Red pepper
    Grape tomatoes quartered
    Homemade croutons ( use the same recipe as above) and break into pieces

    Jill’s Homemade Ceasar Dressing ( without anchovies)

    1/2 cup EVOO ( use a good one!)
    2 diced garlic cloves ( try to find the REAL ones with the long stem..they are in season and JUICY
    2 tablespoons of DIJON mustard
    4 tablespoons parmesan cheese
    Squeeze 1/2 lemon ( adjust for taste)
    Mix dry ingredients first and add the oil SLOWLY
    Add dressing RIGHT BEFORE serving

    Added Touches

    Grilled Asparagus
    Brush with regular olive oil infused with 1 garlic clove

    Steaks
    I love STRIP steaks…best to use fresh meat. Season with a good salt and cracked pepper

    Jill’s Favorite Salmon

    HEAVY tin foil
    Place a goof fatty salmon in the middle
    1 onion cut chuncky
    Slice lemons across the top
    Squeeze another lemon over the top
    Close tin foil TIGHT and place on grill

    Let me know what you think!

    • Olivia says:

      Does admitting that I am gagging count as a response?

      • DesertGal says:

        “Goof fatty salmon”? Is that a special breed of fish? 😉

        Her bruschetta recipe can be found in a gazillion cookbooks. Her “famous” salad recipe is so complicated, I’m not sure I could put it together . Her salad dressing recipe looks very rich-which is fine, I guess, if all you want to taste is dressing and not the veggies in the salad. And the salmon recipe…c’mon. Cooking fish in tin foil with lemon juice is hardly a novel concept.

        Are we channeling Bethenny today, Jill?

    • boston02127 says:

      For some reason I can’t picture Jill in a kitchen cooking so much as an Eggo.

    • rawhideaz says:

      This is a super-easy meal to make. She acts like she’s such a gourmet. I can’t stand her. SUCH BS about the charities. She does nothing quietly and only does it as she feels she will be admired as such a philanthopist. BLAH!

      • Olivia says:

        As if these charities weren’t already established before she took an interest. I can’t imagine having to deal with her when she deigns to show up and spreads her “glow” all over the place.

        • rawhideaz says:

          Just as her apologies aren’t truly heartfelt . . . neither is her charity work. She always has an ulterior motive. It’s not about true giving with her. It’s about her.

      • rawhideaz says:

        I can just see her at her 4th of July party yapping to everyone that her “fans” just love when she gives them recipes and she imagines that they have all used her ideas for their own parties.

    • lillybee says:

      Fresh meat, as opposed to what?

    • Kokuanani says:

      4 years ago, on July 4, 2007

      Now we see why Jill didn’t tutor Ally for those SAT exams.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      What? Are we supposed to believe she is an average, everyday woman? Are we supposed to relate to her and gasp like her? Too much information Jill Zarin, and guess what – we still hate you!

      • vilzvet says:

        The impression I got from this waste of space “newsletter” was that she is claiming full and total responsibility for the success of RHONY (“Bethenny and LuAnn hadn’t been cast yet”) and that is direct message to Bravo.

    • not that crazy says:

      I wonder if she pours wine all over her food? Maybe that behavior is reserved for the better restaurants.

    • floridagirl88 says:

      But wait a minute! Jill says she was filmed first. When Alex and Simon were in DC last month, Alex said they were the first ones cast for the series. Is JZ trying to make it sound like she started the whole series herself?

      “… We filmed the first scene at my home in Watermill. The only house housewife there was Ramona. Bethenny and Luann weren’t cast yet and I had never met Alex and Simon…”

      Can anyone clear this up for me? BTW, I hate Jill Zarin.

    • talltank says:

      Pretty much the same recipes we do up when we go camping. Nothing near gourmet – just quick and easy.

  39. Squirrels says:

    I think I was hoping you were saying GOODBYE !!!!!

    • Olivia says:

      Fat chance! She is in it for the long haul. The only way she says “goodbye” is if Bravo cancels the show. She sees herself as another Oprah coming down the pike. Let’s face it, she did not invest all that money into makeovers, stylists, p.r. people, etc., without expecting a return. She is so consumed by “fame” at this point that she will never turn down the opportunity even if it means dropping Bobby and dating Coerte! Whatever it takes, she will be there as long as those cameras are focused.

      • rawhideaz says:

        Her resiliency is amazing. I think if I got that much personal crap from the majority of the world . . . I’d shut down a little and evaluate. Not her. Balls to the walls outright . . . still her jackhole self.

      • Kokuanani says:

        even if it means dropping Bobby and dating Coerte!

        Now that is one Jill Zarin show I would watch.

        Until that happens, however, not gonna tune in.

  40. rawhideaz says:

    Jill continues to have SUCH a bizarre relationship with “gifts”.

  41. FredTheCatTravels says:

    I just want to point out that the Real Housewives do not have 10 million fans.

    Each show averages around 2 million viewers and most of those viewers watch all the housewives shows.

    I’d say if they are lucky there are 3 million fans.

    • Olivia says:

      Agreed. Most of the people I know have ever watched this show or heard of her. It is my “guilty pleasure” which made it even more fun when I discovered this blog since I had only one neighbor who more or less followed it but was not as into it as I am. She is not exactly a household name nor is this show among the top 10 across the nation.

  42. boston02127 says:

    Jill — “I should of taken guitar lessons” Ugh
    Jill, you should of taken lessons on how to be a decent human being.

  43. boston02127 says:

    I thought I’d share a recipe with Jill: One she’s never tried.

    RECIPE FOR FRIENDSHIP
    1 well-rounded tbls. of understanding.
    1 heaping tsp. of support.
    3 good measures of honesty.
    1 over-flowing cup of sharing.

    Combine all ingredients over a period of time, being sure to add a generous sprinkling of laughter.

    Serve generous portions and savor well.

  44. Olivia says:

    O/T, that other famewhore, Danielle is mentioned on Page 6 as having “danced the night away” on top of a table with her “date” Lori Michaels and being coy about the depth of their relationship. I have to ask: where are her kids? She has been running all over the country selling her awful book and making appearances at nightclubs so where are the kids?

    She can’t have left a 16 and 12 yr old alone at home so is she dragging them from city to city or is someone taking care of them? If anyone deserves to be investigated by children’s services this one tops the list. She is the skankiest woman on t.v. today. And that includes the Kardashian’s who I thought could never be topped in that category.

  45. Squirrels says:

    The Kardashians’ fame confuses me.

  46. Olivia says:

    It always cracks me up when Kim Kardashian mentions her “career”. Career? Posing for photos that are masturbatory delights for men counts as her career? And that awful mother pimping those useless girls out as their manager puts her right up there with Danielle when addressing her involvement. Hideous people.

    • shanty says:

      From Joel McHale on The Soup last night: ” Kim Kardashian has a new wax figure at Madame Tousad’s. It’s just like her. It has a big ass and does nothing.”

  47. knocknoc says:

    Lynn

    I love your blog and am in awe of your fabulous commentary.
    Have been hooked to RHONY and find it hard to believe that the season is over but am so pleased that BGM has continued to enhance my joy.

    The upcoming wedding episode is greatly anticipated.

    Reflecting back a bit: Jill had gone to her sisters’ home for airing of a radio show and JZ was going to be the special guest. JZ was nervous and wasn’t sure what to expect and Lisa tried to calm her down and to just speak from the heart. Lisa spoke of their childhood and simple upbringing and surroundings but now that JZ was living a more upstyle lifestyle she was still the same girl from LI. JZ had recently received a diamond encrusted Rolex (Bobby’s birthday gift) and her sister was surprised by the very expensive watch. Guess that watch wasn’t good enough because Bobby again gave her an even more expensive watch…remember Jill offering her services if he bought it for her…lucky Bobby? Poor Bobby, one of anything is never enough.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill measures love in jewelry! Her sister may attempt to have her get in touch with what is truly important – family and friends, but Jill can’t put a price on people and therefore doesn’t get it!

  48. shanty says:

    (Cowering and hiding behind my desk chair)—–One thing that bothered me about Bethenny in this episode was the “no cameras” edict. Jason was justifiably confused and hurt by that. I would be to if I were part of his family or circle of friends. Bethenny is not THAT famous that mags are going to pay top dollar to clandestine photos of her wedding dreass. Just a touch of self importance there, I thought.

    • rawhideaz says:

      Maybe that had to do with contratual obligations with Bravo?

      • Olivia says:

        I read somewhere awhile back that Bravo was footing a good portion of the bill for this wedding and owned the rights to publication which may explain why there were no cameras allowed. It did seem a bit draconian but I know that I read way back before the wedding that Bravo basically owned the release of all pictures.

        I don’t think the decision was Bethenny’s.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        IMO it was Bravo controlling the event and to prevent selling pictures of the event. While it is common for attendees to bring camera to some weddings (as this will be the way the wedding album is created) Bethenny’s got the paparazzi thing to consider which isn’t typical.

    • cuckooforcocoapuffs says:

      I agree with you! I don’t know if they had an “exclusive” agreement with some magazine for the photos or not, but I don’t understand why his parents and the wedding party weren’t allowed cameras.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      No need to cower LOL… I agree with you but it’s not unheard of, celebrity weddings typically sell the photos to magazines and so they ban cameras and cell phones. Maybe Bethenny wasn’t as big a star as Brad and Jen but this was a Bravo wedding and was going to appear on the show, plus Bethenny did sell the exclusive rights to the photos to a magazine.

      Was this unusual and annoying to Jason’s family and friends? Of course! But this is Bethenny’s world and Jason chose to join it. In any relationship you have to adjust to the other person’s world. Maybe that just means living in a different location, or traveling or dirty socks on the floor. Obviously Bethenny’s world is more unique than the majority of the world, but its an adjustment nonetheless.

    • DesertGal says:

      Is Bethenny that famous? No. Would tabloids still have paid to scoop photos from her wedding? Yes. Weddings and babies are HUGE sellers for tabloids, even if the couple are only quasi-celebrities. If Bravo and Bethenny had already sold the portrait rights to Hello magazine, then the “no cameras” rule WAS necessary to prevent scooping.

      I imagine the “no cameras” edict was a little annoying for Jason’s friends and family, but I doubt it made much difference to them in the end, or the wedding less enjoyable.

      • Kokuanani says:

        We might subsequently find out that Bethenny sent all of the guests a photo album/DVD of wedding pictures. It would be a way to share the photos/memories without violating her contractual obligations to Bravo.

        Stay tuned and “watch what happens.”

        • felony stupid says:

          As for the family and friends not being able to bring cameras….not sure I get the uproar on this one.

          I don’t know, I guess it could be considered annoying to be asked to not bring your phone since I know mine is surgically attached. But IMO I don’t know how appropriate it is to have guests running around at any wedding with their own cameras snapping shots. I like guests who can just be guests. Dance, drink, enjoy yourself and don’t worry about getting a shot of bride and groom’s first kiss or cutting the cake. The idea for me is that you are there enjoying those moments in person, let the professional photog worry about it. But that’s just me.

  49. emt2 says:

    TLM, I really enjoy your posts and insights.

    Regarding the article in the Jewish Journal:

    I didn’t find it mean. She said good and bad things. I do agree that sometimes Bethenny’s fans are quick to call someone a Jill Zarin if you criticize anything about Bethenny. It’s happened to me and I love Bethenny but I am not always charmed by her or think she can do no wrong.

    She and Jill are very similar but Jill is the total extreme case scenario. Bethenny is a “mediawhore” but she chooses wisely and she doesn’t harass people the way that Jill does. Bethenny likes labels and expensive jewelry (despite her protests) but she doesn’t shove it down your throat the way Jill does. Jill is just more crass and vindictive then B is. They have to be more similar then not, they were like sisters for 2 years.

    I’m very unclear about her family history, as well. While I believe the heart of the stories are true, I feel like there is a lot of embellishment for the sake of drama/character.

    She hardly ever talks about her first marriage and when she does, she kind of throws him under the bus in a very narcissistic tone that I didn’t care for (“Obviously he loved me more than I loved him and I just married him because I didn’t want to be lonely and he had been obsessed with me for so long.” I’m paraphrasing but that is the gist.). He isn’t in the public eye to defend himself and it’s not fair, in my opinion. Also, she’s not the runaway bride. She got married, divorced and had a few broken engagements. That is not a runaway bride.

    I do like Bethenny but there are things she does and things I see that bother me and I agree with the writer of the article that you will be attacked mercilessly if you say anything against Bethenny. It’s happened to me in this blog and this blog is filled with very rational and common-sense people.

    B has issues like everyone else and it’s refreshing when you can call her out on something and not have people explain away her issues as an excuse.

    That’s just my experience and opinion.

    I still hate Jill Zarin.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      While we discussed this yesterday, another thought to consider – maybe the author was asked to do a comparision and realized she couldn’t – apples to oranges! She was also trying to balance the dislike of Jill to the acceptance of Bethenny – again something very difficult to do. These women are very different (they are both jewish but that isn’t enough to make comparisions in other facets of their lives) and just because they were castmates on one show doesn’t translate into comparing BMG? to RHONY.

  50. boston02127 says:

    Jill’s tweet: Almost out of my favorite drink..Diet Coke..who is going to the store to get me more? – http://mylikes.com/r/E83 #beverages

    She must be looking for a years supply for tweeting their name.

    • Olivia says:

      She doesn’t drive? She can’t get into one of those luxury cars and haul her fat @ss down to the nearest store and purchase her own? Somebody has to fetch it for her? I am hosting this weekend and doing much of it by myself.

      Bet if she thought a camera crew was standing by outside the nearest 7/11 she would be highstepping it fast enough to break records to get there.

      • Squirrels says:

        Once, just once, I’d like to see Jill turn a step and repeat into a trip and fall.

        Just once.

        • Olivia says:

          I’d give up chocolate for a week if that were to happen! Or watching her get swept away by a big wave as she frolics on the beach in her designer duds. Just watching that weave die a slow death would be just payment.

        • katiecoo says:

          In skates! lol

    • lillybee says:

      Jill, just move your lazy butt and go to the store like a normal person.

      • suebhoney says:

        Pluuuhhheeasse….she’s too busy slaving in the kitchen making her oh so complicated family supper to go to the store! This is what minions are for…they do the tedious errands and crap. Too bad the minions for JZ are her family…

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Yes, her friends/fans will be sending her truck loads of diet coke to her!

  51. Squirrels says:

    Luman is taking the fast train from Paris to Brussels.

    Just thought you’d all want to know.

  52. cuckooforcocoapuffs says:

    Vanity Fair has a little map of Hampton’s society…. bet JZ was pissed she didn’t make the list (none of the HW did, but I doubt anyone else would care.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2010/08/hamptons-universe-201008

  53. Squirrels says:

    With that we are off to Disneyland. It’s the only day we can all get together. July 3, Disney. Perfect. UGH!!!!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      aw it’ll be fun! Its the happiest place on earth! Have a magical day! 🙂

    • dumberries says:

      Have a great time at the Magic Kingdom! The weather is beautiful today. No doubt the lines will be long for the rides, but at least you won’t have to stand in line to buy the ultra expensive shirt for your son. Very smart buying it at the Disney store beforehand!!

  54. Olivia says:

    I keep eyeing the vacuum cleaner, knowing I have to “work it” and soon. It is getting more humid by the hour and I have yet to finish my chores. Somebody tell me to push away from the computer and get busy.

    • cuckooforcocoapuffs says:

      I will if you will!!! My floors, the laundry… got to get moving!

      • dumberries says:

        I’ve got dishes in the sink that have been eyeballing me for days. 15 more minutes…..

  55. boston02127 says:

    I just reread Jill’s news letter. She has no friends except Kelly. She has acquaintances who she thinks are her good friends. People don’t want to be associated with her.
    She’s probaby sitting alone on the porch of her rented house holding a box of sparklers in one hand and a tuna sandwich in the other.

  56. Earring Girl says:

    Here’s the article on B’s wedding/Bravo contract agreement dated March 16, 2010 –

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/fair_warning_TPwEnDui0pAXhwb3qhMQGK

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I love when people comment saying, “who cares about these people?” and “why do you care about reality stars?” Yet these comments are written by people who have read the article, signed in (or registered) and taken the time to write the comment. Apparently they do care!

      If I see an article or post about someone I don’t care about, move on past it..I don’t waste time reading it and posting a comment about it.

      • dumberries says:

        Exactly, same premise as Kelly endlessly talking about people who talk about people…

      • katiecoo says:

        Snort! I think the same thing! So what if I “care”? Isn’t that the point? Caring?

  57. boston02127 says:

    Have a good afternoon everyone.

  58. dumberries says:

    -I don’t hate Zarin because she’s not perfect; I hate Zarin because she’s underhanded, vindictive, and shallow in her real life.
    -I don’t hate Zarin because she’s materialistic. I hate Zarin because she pushes the dollar value of everything on everyone else (none of whom have the $$$ that her husband has). When she was going on and on that Jason 1 should get B earrings to match the other b-day gift, it was immasculating and I wanted to poke her eyeball out with a fork too. She uses material items to try and position herself above others and it’s rude and pretentious.
    -I don’t think it’s hypocritical for B to call Zarin out for being materialistic when B herself owns some expensive designer pieces and shows them off. B worked her ass off to afford nice things and she doesn’t use material items as a measuring stick to assess the value of other people.
    -I don’t take offense to anyone criticizing B – she can be abrasive, insensitive, and harsh at times. It particularly turned me off to hear her describing her first husband as a piece of paper in the bedroom – lowest blow possible to a man – don’t say it on film. But, she can also be funny, warm, generous and kind. She’s human and she dares to share all sides of herself with us. I like that. Zarin not only tries to control what we see and think of her, she develops sleazy strategies to try to control our opinions of other people. I hate that.
    -So, I don’t take offense to anyone comparing B to Zarin; I just think it’s a weak argument without merit. They may share a few characteristics (most two people have some traits in common), but I certainly don’t see any evidence that B is becoming more and more like Zarin – just the opposite.

  59. Hooked On Housewives says:

    Greetings and salutations to the board. Hi Lynn. Wonderful blog. I stopped by to read some good “stuff’ and to wish my board friends a happy and safe holiday weekend. I am loving BGM. Of course I am loving all the comments. I especially like it when posters agree to disagree. That’s what an open board is about. I have a birthday coming up (I’ll be 39 again…LOL) so I’ll be busy but I am definitely looking forward to posting and responding later in the month. I do have an OT question. Would I be considered a cougar if I tried to date Max Meisel? LOL. J/K. Have a wonderful holiday. If you run into Jill Zarin, please slap her for me (don’t slap her in front of witnesses). My love to you all.

    • Earring Girl says:

      Same to you Hooked – I have really missed your great comments! Wishing a safe and Happy 4th to all the great fans and Lynn on “I Hate Jill Zarin” board.

    • anitabee says:

      HOH,

      Yay!!! You’re back.

      Happy 4th to you and everyone on the board!

      I think Max Meisel is into older women. Don’t forget 40 is the new 20.

    • dumberries says:

      Happy 4th and happy 39th – good luck with Max!

    • cusi77 says:

      Hooked! Many people have been asking for you! Have a Happy 39 Birthday and many other 39’s to come!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Great to see you Hooked! Have a very happy birthday and fun holiday weekend! Everyone’s been asking about you so we’re glad you’re well! Hope to see you soon! :)xo

    • scorpiosue1102 says:

      You’re not a cougar….you’re in your prime :). I just turned 40 last November and I would just consider myself a seasoned veteran that could teach a few things to young, adorable Max. Love his hair :). He is a tad short for me.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Welcome back; you have been missed!

    • Hi Hooked! Glad you stopped by! We’ve missed you! You have a safe and happy 4th weekend too! 🙂

    • boston02127 says:

      Happy Birthday Hooked!!!

  60. myname2use4now says:

    Just a comment or two. Why does Jill keep saying to Alex “We’re not friends!” I have never heard Alex, or anyone else for that matter, insist that they were. She’s such a dumbass.

    Also, who on God’s green Earth ever told Ashley from RHONJ that she was model material? She looks so foolish saying that she tried modeling. Her personality is just as ugly as she is.

    • error 404 says:

      Jill thinks she is Alex entry into higher society, and it’s a threat to block her social climbing.

      Alex either could care less, or has decided that she can get in without Jill’s help, or both.

      • dumberries says:

        I agree Error. Don’t think Alex and Simon are above getting a helping hand with anything, but they’ve seen the price tag that comes with any Zarin favor or help. Indentured servitude and endless public gratitude for life is too high a price for smart people like Alex and Simon. They’re doing just fine without her!

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Yes, Jill’s thinks she’s the core cast member of RHONY and she travels in such “fabulous” circles that she can banish Alex.

        Jill still hasn’t factored in that “new girl” Sonja into the RHONY and social equation. I’d imagine Sonja travels in circles Jill’s never heard of. (Including the kind of people who mostly try to keep their names out of the common mass media, a concept JZ would be unable to understand.) While they’re not BFF’s, Sonja and Alex like each other & have common interests in the arts. And Alex can conduct herself with dignity at social events without screeching like a fishmonger’s wife at market.

  61. scorpiosue1102 says:

    Kelly is truly the biggest contradiction EVER! She tweeted that she adores Perez Hilton because he is a marketing genius. I tweeted to her that Perez is awful because he IS a huge bully and he posts panty shots of 17 yr old Miley. Kelly tweeted back to me that he is a marketing genius and TOTALLY side stepped the fact that Perez is a bully. I had to reiterate to her that he is a bully and reminded her that she is against that;). I don’t get it. She makes absolutely no sense. Satchels of Gold!!!!!

    • dumberries says:

      Maybe Kelly is trying to win Perez over and get some favorable mentions on his genius website. PR 102. She probably also forgot that she is the anti-bully activist – that was last month after all. Total twit.

      • scorpiosue1102 says:

        Hmmmm….funny how Jill likes Perez too. Someone is whispering in her ear.

        • dumberries says:

          I’m sure Zarin is coaching her one and only teammate (and project). Betchya these two actually believe that Perez will be a friendly voice for them if they suck up and provide him with exclusives. Fat chance…

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Funny how Kiki ignores the fact that The Termite is not only a bully but also demeans women.

      She’s just sucking up so that she doesn’t get the treatment he dishes out to others.

  62. Hooked On Housewives says:

    @myname2use4now
    “Just a comment or two. Why does Jill keep saying to Alex “We’re not friends!” I have never heard Alex, or anyone else for that matter, insist that they were. She’s such a dumbass.”

    I think the simple answer is that Jill Zarin is a legend in her own mind. She thinks that she is the be all, end all and that everyone has to be her friend to matter. Of course she is way freaking wrong. Alex doesn’t need to be attached at the hip to Jillousy to be a meaningful member of society. In fact, no one except Kellamity does.

    Does anyone remember the TH in which Kellamity said that Jill has taken her(Kellamity) on as a pet project. At first blush it seems like a simple sentence. Looking beneath the surface though IMO it means that Jillousy needed someone on her team and Kellamity was the only available idiot/moron. hahaha.

    Another thing that I was thinking. At whatever function it was that Bethenny told everyone she was engaged and Jill took off like a bat out of hell. I don’t think Jillousy’s bolting really had anything to do with the argument between she and Bethenny. Jillousy was getting out of there because she had made a decision not to film with Bethenny. LOL. Way too late Jillousy. Bethenny’s star had already started to rise.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The problem with Jill is she says and does really mean spirited things – on camera! What she shows us is what we see her to be. I don’t care what is in her “heart” she is vindictive, she is petty, she is cruel. At the party when B was engaged, the telling scene was Jill telling Bawby that if she doesn’t say anything to B that she, Jill, will look like shit. SO she knows what she is doing and can’t blame editing. And she was probably in not filming with Bethenny mode! She chose the path. LuAnn was on that path but did congratulate B but got in the snake shot again. I don’t remember Kelly saying anything to B but her gleefully sharing the 411 with the puppetmaster.

    • error 404 says:

      you’re back!

      Re: Jill & Kiki as best frenimies. This IMO is strictly an axis of evil strategic relationship.

      One of the most coherent things Kiki ever put together was when she rightly interpreted Jill’s “little birdie” email as a threat. “It’s creepy”.

      The enemy of my enemy is my friend. THE only thing Jill and Kiki have in common is their shared hatred/jealousy of B. They want to be her. They can’t, so they want to ruin her.

      Kiki has Jill’s number. She’s been the pet project of “the greatest photographer ever”, so she’s not impressed by a social-climbing middle-aged housewife.

      Once their job is done, they will disband. There is no friendship there, and no one is kidding themselves that there is.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Yes, and the scene in Kiki’s apt when JZ was “mentoring” Kiki, you could tell Kiki was about ready to spear JZ with a kitchen utensil herself. Talk about “white noise.” Kiki must have dialed JZ down to a 1 just to get through filming.

    • katiecoo says:

      Yeah JZ thinks the worst insult she can hurl at someone is “we’re not friends!” yet with Alex, she sort of shrugs her shoulders like “yeah…so….?”. She doesn’t give a shit which is one of the reasons I adore Alex.

      • Adgirl says:

        To me it’s Jill vs Ramona that are the real frenimies on NY although not of the besty friend sort.
        Jill & Kelly have more of a manipulative mother surrogate (Jill) with Kelly in the dazed and confused puppet role.

        On ATL it would be NeNe and Kim who loath and love one another – true frenimies.

      • Cheri says:

        I remember thinking when she was telling Alex that they should not run in the circle of friends (at the party where Alex issued the great line “you are a mean girl on high school and I’m living….”) how does she know that those friends felt the same way. Do they let her tell them who they can run with.

      • Kokuanani says:

        Jill reminds me of my kids who, when they were little, would hurl the deadly insult:

        “You can’t come to my birthday party!!”

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Good to see you, HOH, and congrats on your “39th!”

      JZ thinks RHONY is her “playground” and she’s her own “fabulous” circle.

  63. Bravo fan says:

    Hi everyone,

    Jill’s recipes are so basic that it is not even worthy of putting in a cook book. I can’t bellieve she is not embarrassed putting these recipes out there. I am sure she is pushing to do a book, like Bethenny. Jill only knows how to make a reservation. Who is she trying to kid.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      “Secrets of a Jewish Cook”?

    • dumberries says:

      Well now, lets be fair. We know Zarin makes a matzahball (sp?) soup that Ginger can actually stomach. Maybe a cookbook of doggy recipes is on the horizon – the soup, lamb chops… “Secret recipes of a Jewish dog owner”.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        That’s what Jill claims. But really, look what happened to Ginger’s digestion…..when she’s not shitting all over JZ’s overdone apt, she’s farting up a storm.

        In the bedroom scene with Lulu & JZ when allegedly Ginger was the one who farted, Lulu said “What have you been feeding her?”

        LOL.

        Free Ginger!

        • dumberries says:

          You’re right. The book better come with a warning about digestive side effects! I still think it was Zarin blaming Ginger for the smell in that bed though.

      • Squirrels says:

        Hang on…. I thought Lisa told Jill no way she was putting her recipe in the book. Am I wrong?

  64. Bravo fan says:

    Hi everyone,

    Jill’s recipes are so basic that it is not even worthy of putting in a cook book. I can’t believe she is not embarrassed putting these recipes out there. I am sure she is pushing to do a book, like Bethenny. Jill only knows how to make a reservation. Who is she trying to kid.

  65. mariareads says:

    Just a tiny comment on wardrobe. I know that many of the ladies are asked to wear certain clothes when they are filmed. What better way for a designer to show off his stuff on TV? That’s why they mention the designer they are wearing. “You wear it and I’ll donate it to you but make sure you mention my name”. It’s done all the time. Advertising. When B carries one of those big satchel purses? No way she pays for them. I think they are given to her. Since she has been making some money over the last 2 years I think that she certainly buys her own things as well. I would. I love that Michelle watch she wears but after checking what they cost (I have never heard of them) I decided my Fossil watch was way good enough, thank you very much. Not trying to be argumentative, but I really think a lot of this stuff is either donated, borrowed or sold to them at a discount in exchange for a plug. Like product placement in movies. Just a thought.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      That one promo shot for the show – racks of clothes with each lady’s name on them. They are styled for reunions too. That is why Andy asks “who are you wearing?”. Jill probably tries to sneak stuff out in her overpriced bag.

    • That is true, but a big hitch is that the housewives cannot guarantee the plug will make the final cut.

  66. dumberries says:

    Watching Kathy Griffin. She and her mom are hilarious. She asks her mom at the kiddie pageant, “well, what did you want me to be?”. Mom replies, totally seriously and a little forlorn, “I always really wanted you to be an airline stewardess or a dental hygienist”. Poor Kathy apologizes for coming up short. The whole episode is a crack up. Kathy and Maggie are the exact opposite of Zarin and Gloria (thankfully)!

    • katiecoo says:

      Agree! Hilarious duo.

      • dumberries says:

        Honest, dysfunctional family love. Now I’m watching Kathy with Levy Johnston. I can totally see why Kathy said that she and Bethenny get along well (on WWHL). Would love to watch the two of them together!

    • Squirrels says:

      I loved that one. The kids’ advice was hilarious.

  67. realoldhousewife says:

    I think many of us love Bethenny because we can relate to her, tough as nails when we need to be, but can have a complete melt down when planning a big event and all the little details overwhelm us. Just an example- we are completely renovating our home, stripping each room down to the studs, replacing subfloors, etc. Bascially we’re rebuilding the inside of our home and it’s been a nightmare. At times I blow up and accuse hubby of not doing enough, or bitch that what he did do wasn’t done right-LOL Poor guy can’t win.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Do you think Bethenny is the housewife most viewers relate too? I’m not saying as a total package but as the one most like our experiences?

      • dumberries says:

        She’s the one that shows us the most honest experiences and reactions in her life – good and bad. She’s the one I relate to the most anyway.

        • katiecoo says:

          Me too…kind of like Carrie in SATC–an amalgam of alot of different traits. I’m not really *like* Bethenny but have survived a lot of family tragedy, been kind of a “late bloomer”, am somewhat ambitious and lots of false starts in love. I am really rooting for her happiness!

      • Squirrels says:

        I did the Bravo, who are you most like thing.

        I came up Ramona.

    • scorpiosue1102 says:

      I think Bethenny is the most relatable because it wasn’t that long ago that she didn’t have any money; she wasn’t sure if she could pay her rent. Then we see her work her tail off to get where she is now. The problem is that I don’t think Bravo wants us to relate to them they want us to see the other side. kwim?

  68. teamb says:

    Jill is starting a I hate ALex McCord blog,,i mean some chick disgui4sed as Jill,,,hahahahahaha Pathetic troll

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Seriously? Can anyone participate or must you go through the Jill Zarin screening process? We need to have an I love Alex this coming season.

      • teamb says:

        THere has to be a screening process,,I left a comment that Jill are you starting this under an alias just like you wrote your own book review,,it was not posted hahahaha,,

        yes,,pleaseeeeee someone start an I love ALex Mccord just to piss Jill off,,she is so mean and vindictive,,u should read it,,i know it’s Jill,,,,,,,

    • dumberries says:

      Loved how Zarin claimed she’d never done anything to Alex! This article has been posted before, but worth another read (as it relates to Zarin’s fabulous 4th of July parties and her public criticism of Alex – for years).
      http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/06/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-lost-footage-jill-zarins-baffling-hatred-of-alex-mccord/

      • teamb says:

        Jill makes me wanna’ go back to my mean girl days and TP her house,,hahahaha kidding!

        • dumberries says:

          Me too! And then water down the TPd law, like Zarin does with her food so she can maintain her cute starlet figure.

      • Squirrels says:

        Fantastic find… Finally, a mainstream piece that did it’s homework. WOW…. there’s hope yet.

  69. teamb says:

    reply to realoldhousewife…..
    in BGM,,,it is painful to watch her tell the minister that no one from her family will be attending,,I cried,,Bethenny was heartbroken,,,but then in her therpy session,,she said she is so driven because her mother was dependent on men to take care of her,,,bethenny said one day they woukd be eating off a card table,,then the next Merceded would be in the drive,,,that left an impression on her,,thus the runaway bride,,she could have been a gold digger,,but she was so independent and strong,,a very loud message to Jill,,LuAnn,,,Kelly,,,she doesn’t have a “Bobby”,,she did it on her own,,and wow,,I applaud her……Jason is just a good guy who she loves and keeps her grounded,,,she has so much going for her,,she,,Ramona and Alex,,they are business savvy,,where the others are just floundering,,,they need the help from their grandpas..oh i mena hubbys/ or ex hubbys

  70. teamb says:

    yep windycity,,it was just started July 1st and weird,,I tried to write that I felt it was Jill doing it,and it didn’t post,,,sounds like jill, EH? Jill won’t let anything negative be posted on her blog,,so methinks the same ploy is going on,,,u know she is going to try and bring down Alex,,yeah..we need a I love ALex McCord blog..seriously

  71. teamb says:

    SORRY,,sorry sorry,,but I’m mad,,in the I hate Alex blog they are making fun of Simon’s salary,,um,,Alex works and they are a working couple,,like most “Real” housewives…we don’t have a Bobby,,,,Jill is going thru his money like crazy,,,she doesn’t “work”..omg,,,then they said she recieved sympathy death cards for her soul and yada yada,,ooo poor Jill,,always the victim,,OK,,,Buck up someone,,get an I love ALex Blog going,,I would,,but I’m not that smart,,,lol

    • dumberries says:

      I’ll bet that site will go away very quickly, like the anti-Lynn site. A handful of Zarin Zombies saying the same things over and over. Really, there’s nothing Alex and Simon have done that could justifiably drive any rational person to hate them. It’s just misguided support of Zarin and I doubt Alex and Simon would give a rat’s ass. I’ll show my support to them by just never hitting on that site.

    • DesertGal says:

      Why would anyone make fun of someone else’s salary? I confess, I’m missing the humor in that.

      • teamb says:

        I think implying that they were way below the Zarin or COuntess status…it just irks me,,,because Jill does not get it,,,like Alex said while she is being a mean girl in high school..Alex is in Brooklyn TRYING to make a living in this economy,,Jill just does not get it and apparently,,Jill supporters who started the I hate Alex blog don’t get it either….sad wretches they are,,,

        • rawhideaz says:

          While Alex was in high school, she was studying like a maniac and joining every fun group there was. When JZ was in high school, she was sitting at home whining to Gloria that life was just so unfair as well as plotting how she could get her first nosejob for free.

    • FredTheCatTravels says:

      I posted on another one of Lynn’s posts/blogs that I KNOW what kind of money Simon makes and it is A LOT.

      NYC hotels have the highest ADR (average daily rate) of anywhere in the US and probably top ten in the world. Simon gets a base salary, bonused for sales, and probably that big stretch beamer is a perk car paid for by the hotel.

      The Chandler Hotel is a boutique luxury hotel in the middle of Midtown Manhattan.

      GMs of Simon’s calibur make $300,000-$500,000 a year.

      I’m sure Simon is laughing all the way to the bank thinking someone is making fun of his salary.

      Knowing what Alex does for a living and where she does it and her experience, I would not be surprised if she is in the $125,000 range.

      • teamb says:

        Again Jill um,,, I mean the person who is posting is not well informed,,they said it was between 79000 to 100000…Jill who are you gonna’ blame this wrong info on,,Ally took the fall for the wrong sex of the child,,wonder who she will thro under the bus ..I’m being mean,,,
        But my point is,,,Good for Simon and ALex,,they both work for their salaries,,,,He didn’t inherit a fabric shop…

        • FredTheCatTravels says:

          His AGM makes more than that.

          A medium sized hotel GM off the interstate makes $79-$100K.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Yes, because actually having to work for living is so low class and amusing. (/sarcasm.)

      Way to once again attack and demean the audience that JZ so desperately craves. It’s not like the Gettys are the target market for her bedding line.

  72. Maddiegirl says:

    Andy Cohen is picked as second most annoying TV host.

    http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/07/01/tvs-six-most-annoying-talk-show-hosts/?icid=main|main|dl7|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvsquad.com%2F2010%2F07%2F01%2Ftvs-six-most-annoying-talk-show-hosts%2F

    • dumberries says:

      Interesting read. I agree with all, except Bob Costas and James Lipton. They are legitimate experts about their respective passions, sports and acting. I don’t think that makes them know-it-alls, just really well qualified. Andy Cohen doesn’t annoy me that much, but I agree with the writers criticisms of his weak points. Thanks for the link!

      • katiecoo says:

        I don’t dislike Andy but I do think he is DRUNK on most of his WWHL shows and he goes all over the map. I’d like to see someone FOCUS on some of these bitches!

        • dumberries says:

          A few days ago, someone on this site suggested Tabatha from Salon Takeover. Love or hate her, I think she would call “bullshit” when warranted.

    • rawhideaz says:

      This is so weird to me. I LOVE Andy and also love when he gets a tad hammered too. I think he’s hilarious.

  73. katiecoo says:

    Have you guys seen this video of Patti Stanger slamming Bethenny and obviously hoping her show falls on it’s face? I do think she’s talking to Jill Zarin on her phone early in this video calling B a “c*nt” and “she’s not a friend! she’s not a friend!”. She and Kim Z look so incredibly overdone and plasticized in this….overblown lips, blah blah blech!

    • dumberries says:

      Thanks for the link Katiecoo! That’s was unbelievable. Never seen such a public display of transparent jealousy. Inside and out, two of the most unattractive females I’ve ever seen.

      • katiecoo says:

        I left Stanger a little note on her FB page and included this little gem. I told her my Grandma would call her behavior “unbecoming”. lol

        • katiecoo says:

          This is what I said, including the video link, in case it gets erased. What a beeeyotch!

          Did you really call Bethenny Frankel a “C*nt” while you were being filmed here? I think you did! Clearly you wished her show would bomb (what did you say, your wishing her success was being “sarcastic”?). Guess that’s not working out too well for ya is it…her show is probably Bravo’s most successful ever, second t…o Project Runway. I used to love your show but this side of you is very, as my Grandma would say, unbecoming.

          • dumberries says:

            Well said! You are more forgiving than I am. I never could watch Stanger’s show – she’s too annoying. And, Stanger challenging Bethenny’s business savvy – what a crock!

            • katiecoo says:

              I would love for this video to go viral while Stanger is gearing up for her NY show and Bethenny’s show continues to fly off the records…not to mention her books. Talk about someone’s true colors being shown!

              • teamb says:

                Stanger’s punishment,,find Danielle a miilionaire..lose lose for both,,hahahaha

              • rawhideaz says:

                Right after my hate/hate of JZ . . . comes Patty S. There is no way I can even have her show on.

              • krone says:

                never could stand that Stanger woman or her show. Kim’s an idiot and read somewhere that Patti is having the Manzo boys on her show. Bravo needs BGM and other fun shows. This inbreeding is getting repusive.

          • Well said Katie! I’ll no longer watch Patti’s show either. Was getting tired of it fast anyway. It like the housewife shows were getting too sensationalistic, trying to boost ratings. Blah!

            Bravo take note: NOT watching: OC, Atlanta, NJ, (possibly) NY, STANGER, that woman who had Workout. Bring us better programming, like Bethenny’s show! Work of Art is ok. Too bad Project Runway left Bravo.

            • Also not watching Beverly Hills nor Washington DC housewives.

              • FredTheCatTravels says:

                I’m all about watching Beverly Hills.

                Are you kidding? All the other housewives with the exception of maybe the Countess and Jill Zarin are on these shows to make money by promoting themselves or their products.

                These Beverly Hills trainwrecks are huge, stupid, massive rich already.

                The only reason they are on the show is for the FAME!!

                This show is going to be a famewhore gift from the gods!!

                Oh my evil, black, dead, heart can hardly wait!

                Camile Grammer filed for divorce either today or yesterday from her husband Kelsey Grammer.

    • error 404 says:

      wha tis fascinating is that this was filmed a year ago, and as we now know, they have it all wrong.

      I think their source is obviously Jill, and it’s interestin gthat they automatically assume that Frankel is doing some sort of back deal underhanded thing by getting her own show.

      It seems to imply that Jill panics that Bethenny leaving RHNY will ruin the show, Jills show. So, in Jill’s world, Bethenny tried to ruin her show, and so she had to retaliate by trying to ruin Bethenny’s. It’s the only way that “she’s not a friend” and “she’s playing with fire, she should do both shows” make sense.

      the plot thickens

      • katiecoo says:

        ooh ooooh oooh, I had not thought of that! Brilliant error…you nailed it!

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Yup. Who else would Stanger be telling on the phone “she’s not a friend, she’s not a friend” if not her bud JZ?

        And as you say, they got it all wrong.

        Sonja has said she wasn’t in at the beginning of filming due to protracted contract negotiations. She wasn’t brought in at the last minute due to B not planning to finish the season. But if Jill thought at the time that B was not going to finish the season and just jump to her own show, that adds another wrinkle to J’s conduct on the show. She could write B off entirely. When she realized B was going to be doing the full season, J had to rewrite her script to include some attempt at reconciliation.

        Recently in a conference call Q & A, B seemed to suggest she had the option to do whatever she wanted, RHONY or her own show or both. It’s nice to have options.

        Meanwhile, JZ’s still apparently waiting for a call from Shed/Bravo?

        • dumberries says:

          I think you are all on to something here. It makes a lot of sense that Zarin thought B would be doing her own show instead of a full season 3 on RHoNY. When she defended herself at the reunion by saying, “Bethenny was leaving anyway!!, I thought it was a ridiculous excuse and almost a confession that she wanted to ruin B’s last full season. May well have been that she didn’t think there would be a full season 3 for B and she thought she could quickly make it so that B would leave under a dark cloud that would affect the reception of B’s new show (Zarin’s real objective). Zarin didn’t plan on having to carry out her campaign for a full 3 months and she wasn’t prepared to do so (her notes didn’t go that far). I think your theory could be close to the real story.

          • Need a Hobby says:

            error 404 pointed out that Jill could have viewed B’s leaving RHONY, which Jill views as her baby, as potentially damaging the show, which is a perspective I hadn’t thought of.

            As early as summer 2009, before RHONY started filming, word of B’s new show got out and it was rumored that B would be leaving RHONY. First the rumor was that she wouldn’t be in season 3 at all, then later that she wouldn’t finish the season. For example, here’s a July 2009 Page 6 item that was already talking about B’s show being about her preparation for getting married to Jason 2.
            http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/item_jWUPF7Qq8B1wHfdpO0oEJO;jsessionid=44F4FA77C12980A3C1E6178D0BA78664

            So in addition to Jill’s jealousy and feeling that B owed her everything as we all figured out long ago, the thought that RHONY could be damaged by B’s leaving would add to J’s claim of betrayal. Even more reason for J to want to torpedo B’s public image and thus her new show.

            • katiecoo says:

              Which of course fits with Stanger’s “she’s not your friend” refrain.

              DAMN you guys are BRILLIANT! I send you a curtsy!

  74. Smompy says:

    “I do like Bethenny but there are things she does and things I see that bother me and I agree with the writer of the article that you will be attacked mercilessly if you say anything against Bethenny. It’s happened to me in this blog and this blog is filled with very rational and common-sense people.”

    You know, I am one of those people who often ends up defending Bethenny here, and I sometimes have to take a step back before doing so because I realize that I’m probably being TOO defensive at times. Obviously everyone isn’t going to perceive Bethenny (or anyone else that I happen to like) in the same way I do, and, really, that’s fine wth me. In fact, I kind of admire people who just state that they cannot stand Bethenny because of her overall personality or because they find her voice irritating or for no particular reason at all. There are plenty of people (on TV and in real life) that I can’t stand myself, even though they’ve really done nothing specific to make me dislike them. It’s chemistry I guess, or some subconscious thing about them that rubs me the wrong way. And Bethenny does seem to be one of those people who brings out strong feelings in others, both good and bad. So hate away and I won’t mind.

    The problem I do have, though, is when people criticize Bethenny in a completely unfair way. For instance when they claim she did or said some “thing” and then use that to expound about why she is wrong or mean or selfish or whatever, while all along the “thing” they’re basing all their arguments on is something Bethenny never actually did or said. It’s a twisting or exaggeration of some real event usually, but sometimes people totally fabricate these things too. And when it comes to Bethenny, this happens ALOT. We all realize that Bethenny is far from perfect, and we’ve all seen her behave in less than perfect ways, so why not stick to criticizing her actual behavior or flaws and stop making things up or reading evil motives into every little thing she says and does? (I’m not addressing this question to anyone here, BTW, I was mostly thinking of some of the things I’ve read about Bethenny over at TWoP.) Anyway, it’s the exaggeration and the dishonesty that bothers me most when it comes to the various criticisms of Bethenny that I’ve seen posted. If it’s an honest personal opinion about something Bethenny has actually done (an opinion that happens to differ from mine), I’m not the least bit offended and see no need to try to defend the woman.

    I admit I haven’t been able to keep up with this blog so well lately, and I haven’t read every single comment here, but isn’t it a bit of an exaggeration to say that writing ANYTHING against Bethenny will get you “MERCILESSLY ATTACKED” here? Or, for that matter, that doing so would get you “mercilessly attacked” anywhere? Personally I’ve never seen a single person get mercilessly attacked here. Even the obvious trolls haven’t been attacked that way by other commenters here, not from what I remember seeing. Contradicted? Yes. Mocked? If they were stupid or outrageous enough, yes. But mercilessly attacked? I haven’t witnessed this. Ever. In my book, disagreeing strongly with something someone wrote is not a personal attack on that person. And the only times I’ve seen others call people “Jills” here is when those others have blatantly behaved in a way that reminded them of Jill, If someone makes a thoughtful or honest criticique about Bethenny (or anyone else), they do not get labeled by the rest of the commenters here as “Jills”…at least not in MY experience. But, as I said, I can’t keep up with all the comments any more, so maybe these merciless attacks did occur and I missed them. And if so, I take back everything I just wrote:)

    On a kinda tangential(sp?) side note, just because someone is a “Bethenny fan” it doesn’t mean they automatically think Bethenny is perfect or has no flaws, but I can’t count the number of times that some criticism of Bethenny posted here (or elsewhere) has included a line about not believing she is perfect “LIKE HER FANS DO!” Or words to that effect. Isn’t that an attack of sorts – for one to insinuate that unless people agree with what you’re saying, they’re being blind or dishonest with themselves? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I have yet to see one single person claim or even imply that Bethenny is perfect, or that she always behaves perfectly, not even her most diehard supporters. She’s flawed and obviously she can be bitchy. I am convinced that everyone here understands this, so being fond of Bethenny doesn’t mean we’re in total denial, OK? She is an imprefect human being. We really do get it. And we still like her.

    I sincerely hope this didn’t feel like any sort of personal attack on anyone! It was just my two cents.

    • dumberries says:

      Your post is not offensive or attacking in any way, IMO. Thanks for sharing – some very valid points.

    • I don’t read all the comments either but haven’t seen anyone attacked mercilessly. 🙂 Mostly the trolls do that. In fact, there has been some comments made that I don’t agree with in part or at all, and will skip over them, or just give my take (hopefully) as respectfully as I can be. I try my best not to attack someone. 🙂 Hope I haven’t done so or have been taken that way. I come off very opinionated sometimes, and hope that hasn’t put off anyone! there may be other sites where opposing views are attacked or belittled, but unless I’ve missed it, it’s not going on now.

      There had been a some attacking those whose ideas/opinions didn’t fall strictly into line with a certain person’s viewpoint not long ago, but that poster is no longer here.

      • dumberries says:

        FormerJillFan, that’s my experience here as well! I haven’t been attacked or seen anyone attacked for a respectful difference of opinion either (except for the occasional troll). In fact, I’ve seen people thanked many times for offering a a fresh perspective. I’ve pointed out actions by B that I really didn’t like; no problem. And, I’ve expressed forgiveness for LuAnn and think she regrets believing Zarin’s caca and deserves another chance – not a popular opinion, but no one attacked.
        Smompy: sorry you had a bad encounter before; it’s the rare exception not the norm.

    • emt2 says:

      @Smompy I appreciate your reaction to what I said and am not offended, at all.

      I have been attacked “mercilessly” on other blogs when I’ve criticized something that Bethenny has done (obviously, I’m being a bit dramatic when I use the word mercilessly). And I am a B fan! Once I commented that it was weird that she always talks about how much she hates fashion and thinks it is kind of stupid and beneath her yet, she is always walking in fashion shows, wearing gorgeous clothes and mentioning Ginny Hilfiger, Robert Verdi, etc. Her words seemed to contradict her actions in that case and it was curious to me.

      Well, that comment brought out daggers and people either said that I was a Jill troll or somehow jealous of B. I thought that the reaction was a little strong considering the subject matter and so far from the truth.

      I was referring to more of that kind of knee-jerk reactionary behavior. I haven’t been attacked really on this blog in that way but I have had people “mock” me or jump down my throat if I’ve criticized B in some way. And I’ve always thought it was kinda strange, that’s all. It’s not that huge of a deal for me.

      It’s kind of similar (but not exactly) to the way everyone hates Danielle. Sometimes the other ladies get a free pass on bad behavior because viewers just think Danielle is crazy and deserves every bad thing that happens to her. And I don’t agree with that. I’ve read comments like “If Teresa shot Danielle in the face, I wouldn’t even care. I would bake her a cake because Danielle is evil.” I dislike Danielle but wrong is wrong and there is a whole lot of wrong going on with ALL of those ladies.

      Obviously NJ and NY are different and I don’t want to compare Danielle and Bethenny in any way.

      But, I agree that for the most part people who comment on this blog on a regular basis do not think that B is Teflon and understand that she can be annoying but still lovable.

  75. error 404 says:

    claiming that the fans of the celeb you dislike are out of control is part of cyber bullying 101 and has been around as long as the web.

    Ruben fans will claim they have no problem with Clay, it’s just that his fans are out of control. Tara Lipinski fans will claim they have no problem with Michelle Kwan, it’s just that her fans are out of control. etc…

    I agree that not everyone has to act like Frankel is God-the-daughter, here on earth to suffer for our sins, but come on… Iliana claims to like B, but in her blog calls her “mean”, “a bitch”, “shrill and annoying”, “a celebrity whore”, “so consumed with being ‘Bethenny’ she’s not Bethenny”, “a caracture”, etc… with fans like Iliana, who needs haterz.

    • katiecoo says:

      I know …I don’t say “I like _____ but she’s a bitch and annoying and mean”. Um that would not be descriptives of someone you “like” unless you like those qualities? Her blog was all over the map which told me it was highly personal for her…I think Bethenny is hitting alot of nerves in people who can’t celebrate her success for the mirror it shoves in their face.

  76. teamb says:

    Sorry but I need to get this off my chest,,,way off topic,,but when Kelly Beensomeone made her PSA against bullying on youtube,,there were casutic ,,negative remarks,,the foloowing week,,removed,,,hmmm a page out of the Jill Zarin book?

    • error 404 says:

      Poor Kiki. Her video was pathetic, a bad joke. But commenting “STFU stupid ugly bitch” to a video about being bullied is hysterical in it’s irony. Who would do that?

      • teamb says:

        After the nitemare she created,,yep.I’d d o it,,I confess,,I didn’t,,but I would,,with no remorse,,ironic huh?

    • dumberries says:

      Lol! “Kelly Beensomeone”, never seen that twist on Kiki’s name before. Funny.

    • boston02127 says:

      @teamb–LOL, Kelly Beensomeone! Great name for the washed up hag.

      • teamb says:

        yep..I stole it fromthe queen of one-liners…Bethenny,,,I use “holy Inappropiateness” a lot too..hey she funny,,sou stealfromthe best comedians..and most of the best comedians had a painful childhood,,,not that she palys that card,,but it’s a way of dealing…

  77. teamb says:

    ok,,some comedy..omg,,this is too funny!

  78. momof6 says:

    I rarely post here, mostly lurking :). I had a thought I wanted to share while watching BGM? just now.

    If you remember back in March, Jill said in an interview that she was sad that she didn’t receive an invite to Bethenny’s wedding, but at the end of the article she stated she heard it was a “circus”.

    Well, just now Bethenny described to Shawn, the wedding planner, the wedding plans as a “circus”. Isn’t that a curious coincidence that Jill would use the same word to describe what she “heard”?

    Now I’ve always had a sneaking suspicion that someone in the Bravo production leaked the news of Bethenny’s pregnancy to Jill, who in turn, leaked it to Perez H.

    The fact that Jill would use the exact same term Bethenny used on camera prior to the start of the show is pretty telling don’t you think? Bethenny would have already filmed that segment at that time. I’m pretty sure now that Jill has an “insider” who works with the filming of Bethenny feeding her gossip. If not a camera person, someone lower on the totem pole, easily swayed by the likes of Jill.

    • error 404 says:

      It’s certainly possible, but OTOH “circus” is a pretty well used term to pejoratively describe something large and lavish. It’s no smoking gun.

      • momof6 says:

        That’s true… Jill however has shown that she is not very smart or creative when it comes to reinventing herself.

        Typically, she copycats words or phrases others use especially Bethenny. If she can forget to delete the damning evidence left on her “Susan Saunders” account, she can most definitely repeat gossip verbatim without covering her tracks. It just seems too much of a coincidence see the Jill we’ve been watch on and off camera…

  79. Ginger's Poo says:

    I think Jill is simply trying to economize by posting that “contact” for negative posts. We already know she has had someone deleting FACEBOOK posts and banning people, even though she denied it.

    Now, she has asked her “fans” to contact her employee, saving time and energy for the post-deleter, because nutso “fans” will root out every bad post and email the zapper. Even if they were posted ages ago.

    Samples/palmer/gwen/the doctor/et all will be so happy to have something to do! Since he/they have apparently disappeared for a while after impersonating a real person and realizing they may face legal consequences.

    So, instead of one over-worked employee deleting and searching non-stop, Jill will now have her fanatical fans doing most of the work for free. Can’t you just see her bragging to Bobby about how smart she was to do this?

    • dumberries says:

      Makes sense Ginger’s Poo (I love that name!). I actually do think she’s smart if this is what she is doing (but, more likely you’re smarter than her and she did it unintentionally). It doesn’t bother me a bit if this is where the focus of the fanatics has been redirected. Pretty soon, some of them will recover from the kool-aid effects and figure out they’ve been used too.

      • Ginger's Poo says:

        Never underestimate her ability to save a buck.

        (gift bags, free or discounted goodies for a mention on her show, returning clothes she’s worn, etc.)

        • dumberries says:

          You’re right, like previously stated, “she takes more than she gives”. It’s weird to be worth $35 million and still be so tacky and stingy. She’s my idea of the Leona Helmsley of the HWs. Ughh.

  80. Earring Girl says:

    Here’s the Kelster on video about her “healthful” diet that keeps her in shape – read the article on what people think of her body –

    http://www.examiner.com/x-14380-Celebrity-Fitness-and-Health-Examiner~y2010m7d2-Real-Housewife-Kelly-Bensimons-diet-Eat-very-little-6-days-of-the-week-video

    • anitabee says:

      I wonder why gummi bears, jelly beans and cookies fall in her daily meals as she didn’t mention them?

  81. HD says:

    Nice to read your blog Lynn.

    I do want to say, regarding Max, Bethanny should have never hired him. At this stage in the game she needs someone that knows how to do their job and that is not learning their job. I think she hired Max because he was attractive and that fit in with her camp. It is clear to me that he is clueless which is why Bethanny is standing outside waiting on a car which should have been called already. She is telling him how to do his job which to me he just does not get. She needs a better assistant which could take a lot of her stress away.

    I have been a personal assistant for over a decade. I know what I am talking about on this one. Max was a poor choice.

    • anitabee says:

      HD,

      At my last job I had 5 assistants in 8 years. Not because they quit — I trained them to be promoted and they quickly were.

      I agree. For that job Max is a poor choice. I blame it on her hormones. I wonder if she hired him just for the show instead of building her brand.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      He was hired as an intern so presumably he’s supposed to be learning the job on the job.

    • dumberries says:

      I wonder if B really had to keep two criteria in mind when hiring for this position: (a) ability to competently handle the personal assistant job and (b) ability to attract viewers while performing the personal assistant job. Maybe she had to sacrifice (a) for (b). Bet it’s a lot tougher job than most people imagine.

    • error 404 says:

      It’s obvious to me from watching the interviewing process that B wanted the geeky falaffel guy and Bravo said no because he doesn’t look like an extra from a twilight movie. She even said something like “I’m bookmarking him for later” i.e. when filming is over and she can fire the useless pretty boy Bravo made her hire.

    • Maddiegirl says:

      Nothing against Max, but I think the show would be funnier with a competent but quirky assistant.

      I always get a kick out of Jeff, Jenny and the maid (can’t think of her name) on Flipping Out. And of course, Roomba, the floor cleaner.

  82. Adgirl says:

    OMG are you guys crazy??
    I am TOTALLY WATCHING housewives of DC, BV (and of course NY!). Possibly, ATL if it’s more about Kandi nailing NeNe to the porta potty or stripper pole.

    OC and NJ are boring. Time to retire them.

    I think DC and BV are going to be Fab!!

    • katiecoo says:

      Me too…I will be totally in to DC and Beverly Hills and I hope Lynn blogs on them cuz I will want to discuss w/ you guys! 😀

      • boston02127 says:

        Me three.

      • dumberries says:

        I’m done with OC and NJ, and on board for more NY and BGM. Will give DC and BH a try, hoping they’re more of what we want from the HW franchise.

      • scorpiosue1102 says:

        I’m totally curious about BH especially now that Kelsey Grammer’s wife filed for divorce. I’m kind of a voyeur and want to see what happens.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          I didn’t know that! She filed for divorce, I wonder if filming was going on when she filed??? wow!

          • Ginger's Poo says:

            I wonder if his objections to the show were part of the reasons for the divorce?

            • Need a Hobby says:

              He was off in NYC appearing on Broadway. She claims he was more into being in NYC and having a (single?) life there than he was being married with kids. Who knows what the truth is?

              Did he have any objections to her being on the show? She’s the one who filed for divorce.

            • LynnNChicago says:

              yeah, thats what I was wondering too, thats why I asked if the divorce was filed during filming. Do you think he opposed her being on the show? Has he said that publicly?

              • Maddiegirl says:

                The article I read said he was in NY on Father’s Day and never made an attempt to talk to his kids. She filed for divorce right after that happened.

          • error 404 says:

            ha! I’m backwards as usual. I knew they were divorcing but had no idea that they were on RHBH.

  83. HD says:

    Also up thread with TLM addressing Bethanny and her designer clothes and whatnot. I think she is the type of person that has all those things but does not want to talk about them. I am not sure if you know someone like that but someone who talks about what they have ALL THE TIME is irritating. I think she has nice things but to her they are nice things and life goes on.

    Also, I like that you voice your opinion openly and freely without fear of bashing which we see at some sites so that is kudos to Lynn and the maturity of the people that post that can view different sides. Like I said on another thread, I do not like everything that Bethanny does. Yelling at Jason, going off about stuff that is clearly in her control, etc. etc. are things I don’t like. If you are stressed about the book go back to the publishing company in which you have already written two books for them and tell them you are under doctor’s orders to rest, you have a blood clot and you need to rest. They have backed her for two books so I am sure they will be understanding. This is a medical condition not you not wanting to do your work out of laziness, etc. If you feel Jason is not participating get him involved, involve his mother, let the wedding planner, plan, cancel some book signings due to doctor’s orders and stress. You are in control of your destiny and your ultimate health. No one has a gun to your head to attend a book signing at Costco. Bethanny’s first priority is her health and the health of the baby. If you are that stressed, you don’t need a big wedding. A wedding is all about what happens after you say I do. Bethanny has been married before so she has had the bells and whistles. A lot of people that get remarried do not do it so lavishly again. Some do but a lot don’t. If it is really stressing you SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much who cares about a cake and tableclothes and blah blah blah. Have an intimate ceremony with family and close friends and call it a day. But she cannot do that because she has committed to a show. At some point in life you have to decide what is more important, a show or your health and your new family.

    Also I am speaking from a bit of experience on this one because I was that type of person and finally I realized if I am THAT stressed instead of talking about how stressed I am, I am going to stop taking on stuff. There. Problem solved!

    Okay…go ahead and kill me. 🙂

    • katiecoo says:

      Not gonna kill ya but I think this is a trap MOST brides fall in to …it’s a train that keeps picking up speed as you plan…and most brides are not under contract to air their wedding to millions…just a little bit ‘o pressure!

      • dumberries says:

        Personally, as a viewer, I’d rather see a smaller more intimate ceremony. But, if I were marrying a man in his late 30’s who’d never been married before and whose only sibling had passed away, I’d put a lot of weight on having a ceremony that would be unforgettable to his parents (especially if I didn’t have parents of my own). Probably other serious factors beyond Bethenny’s and Bravo’s preferences needed to be considered when deciding the details of this wedding.

        • HD says:

          Thanks for not killing me. 🙂 I think his parents come off as real simple to me. Even when she was talking about the menu Jason said something to the effect of, “my dad probably doesn’t know what any of that is.” in response to beef tartar or something else. Jason appears and she has said that he is, real simple. I think his only objective is to marry Bethanny and be a good husband and father. All that other stuff I don’t think he cares about. I think he is doing all of this to make her happy. His family probably would not have cared either way. They are happy their son is happy. If she serves beef tartar or hamburgers I bet they would not care.

          • dumberries says:

            I see your point HD. Just think Jason’s family is more traditional than B’s and she might feel self-induced pressure to give her idea of the traditional first wedding. If I was worth 16 million like B, I’d have no problem delegating most of the responsibilities to make that happen and avoid some of the stress she put on herself. But, I’m a little older and have already learned my lesson about having to do everything myself.

        • katiecoo says:

          I think she keeps saying over and over that she’s wanting to make this a perfect wedding for Jason and his family. Having gotten married a few years after a family tragedy myself (my only sister was killed) I totally understand the importance of this kind of ceremony on a family. This will be Jason’s parents ONLY wedding of a child and of course they will be thinking of the child they lost so this holds more weight somehow.

    • Ginger's Poo says:

      I wouldn’t trust that wedding planner to do anything other than book the vendors and take care of minutia. He had NO taste, or at least, not Bethenny’s taste. If she had more time she could have found a planner willing to be on TV, but I think her options were really limited, because of time frame and visibility.

      Those scattered plastic petals? UGH. The pink cloth and red? Ugh again.

      That said, yes, she needs to let some things go. Or be very specific when asking for Jason’s help. I love that she is showing her warts though, it actually makes me like her more.

      Max? Totally a BRAVO thing, and I think the fact that Cookie liked him played into it. Being able to be interesting on TV and looks, personality, were probably more important than ability to do a good personal assistant job. He’s trainable. I think the female assistant does most of the heavy lifting (for now.)

      • HD says:

        I think the doctor was spot on when he asked her about her need to be successful. She mentioned her father. Bethanny is chasing a ghost and until she deals with that, she will chase that ghost her entire life. Still love her, this is just what I see.

        • Ginger's Poo says:

          Given what she said about her childhood, insecurity about money is probably a given.

          It sounds like, at first she was a bit like her mom, attaching herself to richer men. But, she’s evolved into something a bit more Ramona-like, in the need to make her money herself, and not be dependent.

          I didn’t think I would like the shrink or those scenes, and I am sure there are sessions with him we don’t see (at least I hope so!) and certainly they go on for much longer than the few minutes we see. So far though, my misgivings don’t seem to be valid. In a way, doing this all on camera, since that is how she’s living her life much of the time? Might be a dang good idea.

          I did hate the low-blow of Jason saying “my life is page six now” crap. HELLO BUDDY, you certainly seem intelligent enough to have figured that would happen with your choice of bride. It just felt like he was pissed and lashed out. No big minus points though, because pretty much everyone gets in a low blow during a fight, at least sometimes.

          I like the way they work things out.

          • katiecoo says:

            Me too! 🙂 I think if she was arrogant and thinking she could work everything out on her own, she’d be up for greater scrutiny. But I see Bethenny as someone who is pretty aware of her “issues” yet is reaching out for help with them. And sometimes it’s within the loving context of a good relationship that alot of things get healed….this is what I’m hoping for for Bethenny. Between Jason, Bryn and her excellent therapist, she pulls those pieces together and emerges whole and healed. Maybe that’s what I hope for myself too. 🙂 I’m just enjoying watching her unfold.

  84. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s tweet:
    get ready @bradleyirion my hairdresser is going to show you later how to get kellylocks and kellylights. its so easy!!!
    .
    “kellylocks” and “kellylights” No wonder nobody takes this hag seriously. She talks like she’s 10. Forget the locks and lights. Wash that ratty hair.

    • rawhideaz says:

      So truly delusional. Find one person who wants “kellylocks”. I wish we’d get some inside info on what completely went down at St. John.

    • katiecoo says:

      It’s so easy? Like you can highlight your hair yourself? HUH???

      • Adgirl says:

        Tabatha can use the video for training on what not to do to your hair.

        Also, does Kelly’s hairdresser recommend nervous twirling and twisting of hair?

        • rawhideaz says:

          I kind of image that she sucks on the ends of her hair to comfort herself at nightime . . .

        • katiecoo says:

          Gawd…she’ll probably find a way to “twist” that tic in to something that’s purposeful for having her “amazing” hairdo.

    • dumberries says:

      If she washes her ratty hair, she won’t be able to trap the next piece in her earring collection.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      For those who like that greasy, sweaty look?

  85. Ginger's Poo says:

    From the previous blog,

    KADOOZ TO YOU! and I hope these are tweeted by everyone!

    Before
    http://tinyurl.com/23qz9zx
    After
    http://tinyurl.com/2br8gln

    • dumberries says:

      Thanks Ginger’sPoo – the links didn’t work for me yesterday. Funny and scary at the same time.

    • cusi77 says:

      Holly Heavens! No wonder she was booked as a man whe she beated her boyfriend!

    • ches says:

      Glad you liked them. The really scary thing was the fact that 99% of any photoshopping was to get rid of her long hair and add the shorts. And getting rid of her breasts was the other 1%. That’s it. Turned out freakier than I thought it would.

  86. cusi77 says:

    Could somebody explain what does Teresa (RHONJ) mean when she said “Go scratch”? Is that an idiomatic expression? Meaning… what?

    Thanks!

    • viki55 says:

      everytime I try to answer I get blocked. Perhaps because there is rude language involved? It was from the urban dictionary.

        • cusi77 says:

          Thank you Viki! Teresa is a Classy Lady… uh? Really? WOW!

          My hubby told me it was like to scratch lottery tickets… but my hubby is a gentleman… I guess… He did not know what was a ho-bag! I need you to survive The HW’s!

          • rawhideaz says:

            Hmmmmm. That’s a new one to me. Cusi . . . you’re so cute and funny. LOL.

          • viki55 says:

            I think that phrase started way b4 lottery. I remember it from way back, I actually think it started as a reference to chickens scratching on the ground. I think Ho-bag goes way back too!! I think the NJ bunch is in a time warp;) So 1979!

            • viki55 says:

              I am trying to see how many times I can say “I think” jesshhh I should read back b4 sending!

              • rawhideaz says:

                I have two pet peeves some kids use constantly:

                1. Me and him are going . . .
                2. Ya know wha I’m sayin’? (Repeat a few hundred times)

              • vilzvet says:

                Yeah, go scratch, it’s a New York/Jersey Italian thing (sigh)…we kinda still say it around here….the full sentence is actually “Go scratch your a$$!” Hope that helps.

    • m293131 says:

      I think she means to “Go scratch your ass”

  87. scorpiosue1102 says:

    Ok. Kelly, Kelly, Kelly. We’ve been going back and forth about Perez Hilton. She just adores how great he is at marketing and I think he’s a scummy bully (just look at all the crap he says about Kristen Stewart….just vile). I keep going back to Kelly about how Perez is a bully, but to her he just sensationalizes. Really? Really? He puts up shots of 17 year old Miley on his blog and is nasty to anyone he does not like. I guess she forgets that nastiness that he put on this post of her.

    http://perezhilton.com/2010-02-11-housewife-strips-down

    • rawhideaz says:

      Just goes to show you that she really does not have a clue what bullying really is. She picks and chooses.

      • Adgirl says:

        Kelly is looking to be featured more often and favorably on his site.

      • error 404 says:

        Kiki is the biggest bully I’ve ever seen on TV that is not a fox anchor person.

        • scorpiosue1102 says:

          Totally agree. The funny thing is when she’s wrong she turns it into a pc moment. She calls Bethenny a ho-bag and doesn’t get that not being monogamous does not mean you don’t use protection. So what does she do…she’s all about safe sex and using a condom. Then she bullies Bethenny i.e. chef vs. cook, accusing B. about going to the press with no truth and then does her whole PSA on bullying. It is mind boggling wacky behavior.

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  89. boston02127 says:

    Can we read each others profiles on here?

    • cusi77 says:

      What do you mean Boston?

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Apparently not. Or at least I can’t.

      Cusi: “profiles” of posters like on some other blogs and messageboards where if you click on a poster’s name you can see info about them, whatever they info they put in their public profile.

  90. CdnFillie says:

    I’ve been thinking about this for a while. Is it possible Jill’s behaviour while filming and since the reunion is scripted…all in the name of ratings? Is she being directed to act this way to hype next season?
    I can’t fathom anyone continuing to self destruct this way unless they stand to gain in the long run.
    Maybe I’m just giving JZ more credit than she’s due. I know I would be deep in hiding right now if all this poo was aimed my way. Just a thought..but damn I’m glad I don’t belong in her :tight: circle of “””ummmm””” friends

    • Ginger's Poo says:

      No.

      She really is just that stupid.

      As Bethenny says, she wants to be liked, no chance she was aware of just how horribly she was coming off. Also, two words.

      Susan Saunders

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Succinct. I agree.

        How “ambushed” Jill must have been by the change in public opinion towards her as the season wore on. From the ‘poor Jill’ pity party to “how could Jill be so mean and unforgiving to the person she described as her best friend, like a sister to her?” to sheer disgust when Jill finally was forced to admit that all her stated reasons for her hateful behavior and attitude against Bethenny were totally bogus.

        “Get a hobby other than picking fights” was in response to a nasty email from Jill who claimed Bethenny owed her and never gave her & Bobby enough credit for her success. B had had it and asked Jill to tell her what was really bothering her, to tell her why was she picking fights with her. And Jill finally admitted that she never told Bethenny that Bobby had cancer. So all Jill’s bellowing that B ignored her & Bobby in their time of need was totally fabricated malicious BS. And Jill from the outset had told others not to film with Bethenny on RHONY so as not to provide any support for Bethenny and her new show. All this was to damage Bethenny’s public image, popularity and to undermine her business endeavors including her new show. And all for no good reason except because, as NY Mag observed, JZ is a disgusting person.

        Having not learned from that experience that when she targets others for the “Zarin treatment” as she did Bethenny she only succeeds in making herself look hateful, vile and “toxic,” Jill is still continuing in the destruction of her own public image. And she still doesn’t get that it’s her own behavior creating that result. No one needs to direct her in that: it’s who she is, it’s what she does. No one apparently can stop her either. And at this point no one should try. Let Jill Zarin be Jill Zarin. Let her finish the job she started.

    • cusi77 says:

      The “normal” (whatever normal means) human behavior is to be ashamed when your reputation has been ruined when publicly showing your dark side… I would be so ashamed and would go silent for a while… Probably she is so selfcentered and not willing to give up to her recent found fame… is she blinded by herself? Is this her way to stay in the public eye? Probably she likes this kind of attention…

      • CdnFillie says:

        No doubt she has no idea what human behaviour is Cusi…..she is so deep in that self centred stinkhole she made for herself, there are no hip waders deep enough to help her out. I really don’t have a whole lot of respect left for Bawby either not that it matters, but he must have distanced himself from all this, and I’m probably underestimating the power of Jill’s infamous..(and I puke when I think about it) BJ’s

    • dumberries says:

      Highly unlikely IMO. I definitely don’t think any of her behavior during filming our at the reunion was scripted (though she certainly developed her own messed up story line, which back-fired). There’s no way she could fake some of those facial expressions, which gave her true intentions away as much as her words. She’s no Meryl Streep. I guess it’s possible that she could be intentionally fanning the flames since the reunion to create buzz for the next season, but that’s such a long time away. Sadly, I just think Zarin is too self-absorbed and stubborn to realize how repulsive she behaves and she is still holding grudges for imagined slights against her.

      • katiecoo says:

        that last line is in the definition of Narcissism. I think the PR people handed her some buzz phrases to throw out and mostly told her to sit there and smile and hold her tongue and do alot of fauxpologizing.

        • felony stupid says:

          Agreed. If we believe that that big mouth yenta Stanger was indeed talking to Jill on that clip posted up thread (and I do think she was) Jill decided waaay early on that Bethenny was leaving RHWNY mid-season for her own show and screwing Jill in the process.

          That’s just shows uncovers even more of what Jill was thinking when she came up with her underhanded crap. She figured Bethenny wouldn’t even be filming with the ladies after a certain point so whatever Jill said would stand as the truth. Course we all know how that worked out.

          Wouldn’t be surprised if that stupid beyotch Stanger had something to do with coming up with whole vile plot. The two of them deserve eachother. I used to watch her show until I realized that 99% of her matches do not end in a 2nd date. She’s a fraud and now I know she is a horrible person as well.

          To whoever said it upstream….I hope that little video goes viral as well!!

        • dumberries says:

          Yep, I bet that’s just what the PR people instructed. But, Zarin’s classic narcissism wouldn’t allow her to sit back and follow instructions for more than 5 minutes.

    • scorpiosue1102 says:

      I think this is just how Jill is. Didn’t she not talk to her sister for years because of a disagreement? I honestly think that anyone that crosses her gets her wrath. Heck, she even dissed Andy Cohen.

    • cajunlady says:

      directed by whom? Bravo? her team? I cannot fathom any professional advising Jill to bash and attempt to destroy Simon and Alex, well loved and hardworking parents of 2 young children. Nah, its all Jill, she’s too self-absorbed, too hate-filled and suffers from one of the worse diseases known to mankind, jealousy. My mom always told me, you can always know the true character and nature of a person by their fruits……..

  91. m293131 says:

    I love watching BGM even though I always cry. I can’t stop wondering how different the show would be if Jill were still in B life, trying to run the shower, wedding. The entire easy atmosphere of the show would be different and I don’t think it would be as enjoyable to watch

    • cusi77 says:

      I do not think Jason would like to be with Bethenny with Jill as a friend… He figure out JZ at first sight! I do not think there will be B&J…

    • error 404 says:

      Still, it is a huge improvement over the ‘corporate travel apt with rental furniture’ look she had going before.

      This is just a personal pet peeve, but if you like Traditional Home style, buy a friggin pre-war apt already then. Don’t buy a modern high-rise with floor to ceiling glass and then tat it all up with fugly velveteen swags. Blech! Like putting wide wall tires on a delorean.

      • dumberries says:

        The redone apartment looks better in the photos than it does on the show. Maybe because Zarin isn’t in the photos.

    • myname2use4now says:

      The re-design it way too cluttered and it looks like an advertisement for Horshow. The prettiest thing in any of the pictures is Ally, who I think is a very pretty young lady.

  92. boston02127 says:

    opps sorry the link is so big

  93. I’ve come to the conclusion that troll activities in Amazon’s reviews for Jill Zarin’s book have done more to hurt book sales than anything. Obviously so as the sales ranking tanked after those hundreds of harassing and spamming posts by Conch and Cabruzzi and others of late. Latest post re playing fast and loose with the reviews system:

    Posted on July 3, 2010 6:04 PM PDT
    Last edited by the author 6 minutes ago
    CatsNQuilts says:
    Whoever is behind that Paula Conch identity has posted a revised 5-star review dated the same day as the (deleted) original review which is how the system is set up. If a review is deleted, and later reposted or a new one is posted to replace the original, the newly posted review will still have the date of the original review. That was one of the four reviews thought to have been deleted by Amazon, but I was suspicious whether or not that was the case. I discussed this with someone and said let’s wait and see…

    The review is different than the original review. I’ve still got the screen shot of the original review and also the screen shots of some of the hundreds of harassing comments and spamming posts that the Paula Conch identity and the Joe Cabruzzi identity posted here in Chandler’s comments section which Amazon had deleted.

    I also have screen shots showing that the pen names (actually pseudonyms that don’t have the real name tag), had changed on several of the posts and showed the identity of the pen name that the account was registered to. For instance, Joe Cabruzzi was the pen name on the account but some of the postings by that identity had “Alana”, “Kyle”, or something else. Right after I posted here about that, the pen names displayed were changed back to Joe Cabruzzi. I have screen shots both before and after these changes were made to the pen names.

    It makes me wonder how extensive are these games one or more people are playing with Amazon’s reviews system. Whether or not these 4 reviews belonged to one person, or are indeed four different people, I don’t care. What I do care about is that they are so obviously playing fast and loose with the reviews system. If you don’t want comments to your review which show that you’ve been posting hundreds of harassing and spamming comments, don’t engage in that behavior in the first place!

    All this questionable activity has left a dark shadow over Jill Zarin’s book. One person said the other day she didn’t care about Zarin’s book’s ranking. Well , that was obvious! So if you feel the same way, keep it up!

    • dumberries says:

      Once again, her attempts to deceive the public have backfired. Karma is a bitch! What bugs me most about the aftermath of Amazon-gate is that all book reviews are now suspect (as least for me). Some of us readers like to consider the reviews of others before making a purchase. Zarin has made people feel leery of all reviews (even the honest ones). She’s like one big cloud of negativity that just keeps growing.

    • Sorry, that should be Paula Honch, not Conch.

  94. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    Jill and her new BFF Kelly are hanging out with each other in the Hamptons this evening. *gag*

    Jillzarin At party to support magazine cover! Hot!!@kikilet !! http://twitpic.com/227t80

    • dumberries says:

      Ahhhh, how cute! Maybe this “magazine cover” has something to do with Kelly’s earlier proclamation that Perez Hilton is a genius. She and Zarin want him to pick up the story/pics.

    • ches says:

      As much as I hate Kelly, I do feel a tiny bit sorry for her while viewing this pic.
      Look at the body language. K is leaning in towards J, is very relaxed and seems to have a genuine smile on her face. It seems she truly believes they are genuine friends….or she is pickled out of her mind.
      Jill, on the other hand, is very stiff and straight. A smile is plastered on her mouth, but it somehow does not include the rest of her face at all. Also notice the very stiff hand on K’s right shoulder. She looks like she really doesn’t want to be there.
      Jill is like Rasputin in this relationship. She has weak minded Kelly totally mesmerized. I think Kelly has no real friends and Jill is like an oasis to her.

      She is most likely and embarrasment to her family. Considering her father and brother are Attornies, her mother is an Interior Designer, and her sister has some big job in finance they have no real way to relate to her at all. This entire show must have been mortifying for them and they most likely keep her at arms length. Interacting only when necessary. I think when it comes to personal relationships Kelly is like a starving woman. (Her own fault, of course.)
      So , Jill comes along and puts her in this little “friendship trance” and Kelly falls for it. Kelly doesn’t realize it is nothing but a big use job which will end with Jill spitting her out on the sidewalk.
      If you think VI was bad wait until the J/K friendship hits the fan. Chernobyl will be nothing compared to the Kelly meltdown you’ll see then.

      • error 404 says:

        Jill always looks still and with a fake smile plastered on. If you look at the pics in the apt link, she’s sitting uncomfortably with Bobby and Ally, a fake smile plastered across her face, and seems to almost recoil at the touch of Bobby’s hand on her shoulder.

      • Squirrels says:

        If Kelly were to meltdown on Zarin, it would be calamitous. Zarin knows this, so could be she’s kinda stuck in this relationship. She allowed it, she nurtured it to serve her own purpose and now she owns it.

        Hmmmm Zarin. What to do? What to do?

        • dumberries says:

          Squirrels, Happy 4th!
          That’s what I think. Zarin is stuck with Kelly until Kelly decides otherwise. Not only because Kelly might meltdown, Zarin can’t afford to publicly drop-kick someone she’s postured as her “close friend” again – that’s what started her ball of self-destruction rolling. She’s definitely in a catch-22 with Kelly. Love it! Hate Zarin.

    • error 404 says:

      she’s gonna be ont he cover of the same Devorah Rose Society magazine that had Bethenny on the cover in season 2.

  95. cusi77 says:

    So true…

  96. Ginger's Poo says:

    Kikilet copying Bethenny.

    Magazine cover? Check.
    Baking? Check.
    Dog Shrink? Check.
    Yoga video? Check.
    Signature Drink? Check.
    Diet tips? Check.
    Hair video? Check. (Bethenny got hers done on camera for the wedding.)

    What have I missed?

  97. viki55 says:

    My hubby is out for a boys nite so I was watching & fastforwording the reunions so I could delete and I noticed something. I wonder if Luann & Sonja had a plan. They were friends b4. I saw some knowing glances between them. I think they alined with both teams so they both would get to the next season. I don’t think there is anything real about them, at least not real like Bethenny. They both are playing a game. Stay on the show, act above it all and push some product. I really think Bethenny is the last real person we will see. That’s unless Alex can take the show, which, I love her, but she doesn’t have the personallity to do.

    • dumberries says:

      I noticed Sonja shooting some knowing glances at LuAnn, but I figured she was just trying to let LuAnn know that she supports her even though LuAnn had unwisely aligned herself with Zarin and Kelly. LuAnn didn’t seem to be reciprocating though. LuAnn wanted off that couch so bad she could taste it, but she was trying hard not to do or say anything against Zarin (she totally called out Kelly though). We sure haven’t seen LuAnn with Zarin and Kelly at any of the lunches or in the photo tweets since the reunion. I think the only plan that Sonja and LuAnn have is to try to avoid being on anyone’s team next season. If Zarin tries to pull LuAnn in, Sonja can be a buffer. Sonja’s in a weird place too. She’s old friends with Ramona and newer friends with LuAnn – neither seems to particularly like the other. Maybe that’ll change with Zarin out of the middle. I’m hopeful that everyone will be free to be more real since Zarin either won’t be on the show, or she will be on the show with no power to manipulate anyone any longer.

      • viki55 says:

        I guess what I am trying to say is the whole franchise has now changed. The motivation for women to join in is different now. You can see why Bethenny joined, a search for herself and financial security. Alex & Simon, almost the same but with more self awareness. Jill, for fame, she had the money but it wasn’t enough. Luanne, her marriage was fake, not enough, she needed more. They all got what they wanted and maybe they were real for one season or two but now, with Bethenny breaking out, being one of a group won’t be enough. We saw it this season once they knew Bethenny was moving on. Some will not be happy staying as part of the group & everyone who joins will be after the fame and will never be as real as Bethenny.

  98. iceNfire says:

    OT – Hello Everyone
    Thanks for emails, I’m ok
    AlternateReality – thanks for visit to my non-blog
    RileyKitty – Love you but work-out was my own undoing
    Hope to see you all soon

    • Sadie says:

      AlternateReality – Damn did it again!

      • Sadie says:

        Sorry – It’s my meds
        Forgot to say that I deleted most of my emails. Please email me again if I haven’t responded.
        Okay, enough of my dope headiness
        iceNfire

    • viki55 says:

      AlternateReality=Otaypanky

      • viki55 says:

        Dang it

        • Sadie says:

          huh? otay didn’t tell me that, but as I just said I deleted most of my emails. Please catch me up.

          • Hi, Sadie! It turns out that otay was Alternate Reality and has been trolling this and other sites. She came on the other day as otay, posted a very nice message, then proceeded to attack Olivia and perhaps others for no reason. Lynn banned her and deleted that blog and started a fresh one.

            Then otay came back with a different IP, I guess it was, and signed up as someone else and viciously attacked Boston yesterday for no reason whatsoever. Lynn quickly banned otay’s new identity.

            Then Lynn called Otay at her place of work and gave her a good talking to. If she ever does it again, Lynn will call her boss and I’d like to have that opportunity too.

            I was really a bit surprised to know that Otay was a troll–to have done what she has done just for some sick jollies and not because she had a medical problem that caused erratic behavior. It’s far beyond someone just being lonley and wanting attention.

            Sorry to break this news to you.

  99. viki55 says:

    Not playing this game. Same style, same sickness….nite all.

  100. cusi77 says:

    Oh My Good Lord! I have been reading Alex and Simon book… I can not contain myself… They share their lives in a concise and easy to read way and enjoy… They made me smile, love, cry… I can not do other than loving them even more… without meeting them I feel I know them. Their love for each other is contagious as well as their sense of humor. What a great book to read!

    I know, this is not Amazon, but this is my experience and I wanted to share with you.

    Thanks Lynn for having this place to gather and have so much fun!

  101. char212 says:

    Now that we know that Jill tried to get the other women not to film with B, which is why her and Luann didn’t go on Ramona’s trip to VI, made me think of another instance. Remember when B went to one of the fashion shows and ran into Luann were Luann said to her, “I didn’t know you were going to be here”? Well, thinking about it now I wonder if they would have gone to the fashion show if they’d known B was going to be there. They didn’t want to film with her and it was all in the plan but it backfired on them.

    Another thing, I laugh out loud when I think about Jill waiting to see the tapes of the episodes before they aired. I can just see her sitting back thinking that it will be all about her and not B. How mortified she must have been to see how Bravo edited it only to find out that B was in the show more she thought she would be. She thought she had it all figured out. She figured her, Luann and Kelly would be featured more then any of the other wives including Ramona. All I can say is “Thank God for good editing lol.”

    • dumberries says:

      Yes, I bet the look on Zarin’s face when she saw the first screening of the episodes was priceless!

      • vilzvet says:

        Especially the skating falling-flat-on-her-a@@ episode! That couldn’t have gone over well!

    • Char, the thought about Zarin’s reaction to the advanced copies of the episodes the ladies receive before airing never even occurred to me! LOL! I imagine she was madder than a hornet in the edits Bravo gave her! LOL! That is hilarious! Thanks for the laugh! 😛

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Jill complained there was a lot of her “family time” left on the cutting room floor. I figure she’d hoped there would be more of that so it would serve as good PR for her book. (The footage was probably boring as shit.)

      Instead, they showed Ginger shitting all over Jill’s apt and Jill just taking a season long dump on someone she described as her best friend, the show itself and her own reputation. And how horrified Jill must have been when she realized that Bethenny, with all the heavy shit coming down and Jill’s beating on her, wound up looking more vulnerable and sympathetic than ever before. Jill thought she was going to slay the dragon and instead came across like she was kicking a wounded puppy.

      One of the funniest scenes IMO was when Jill & Kiki ran into the pantry and closed the door for “privacy” although they were both mic’ed. The camera just aimed at the door while the dialog and crying & dialogue continued. I thought it was hysterical. Then a moment of silence as they looked around inside, and: “nice pantry.” Then Gilbert comes over and rousts the two twits out of her pantry. Loved it.

      I think the editors deserve an award for this season.

      • LOL! The Bravo execs and editors sure had an agenda when they put the episodes together! Nobody will like someone who kicks a wounded puppy! For that, I have to say “thanks” to Bravo! LOL!

        Still, it was extremely hard to watch all that hate filled drama brought on by jill and kelly.

        thank God we now have Bethenny’s show!

    • error 404 says:

      Filming had barely begun before Lulu was demanding a meeting with Bethenny to kick off her “I demand an apology” tour.

      I’m 100% certain that the point of the meeting was to kick-off B’s anger and make her look bad telling Lulu off. “The mouth on that one!”

      They then spent the rest of the season claiming to be surprised every time they saw B somewhere, like she wasn’t part of the show.

      She again started fights with B at the fashion shows, only to complain about B’s bad behavior. My absolute fav is when Lulu sees B at Ramona’s, after having just seen and spoken to her like 2 days before, and she says “It was like seeing a ghost!” lol

      Jill is not the only one surprised to find themselves on the losing team come mid season. Lulu was downright mean and nasty to B for weeks until suddenly deciding she wasn’t involved. As soon as B got engaged, Lulu quit team attack B. She’s been in enough street fight to know when she’s licked. And when B’s dad died, well only an idiot would continue to fight at that point. Enter Kiki.

      Only Kiki was fearless enough to continuously attack a grieving woman who’s at the start of a risky pregnancy. Not everyone has a strong enough stomach for combat.

      Lulu also spent about an entire total of 5 minutes talking to Ramona the entire season. There is clearly no love lost between these two. She snubbed the labor day party using “countlessgate” as an excuse, and wouldn’t have gone on that VI trip if her hair was on fire and Ramona had the world’s only estinguisher.

      • cusi77 says:

        You are so funny error! I scare the heck of my hubby while cracking up! You are funny, articulated, with a huge imagination!

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Excellent!

        Which also IMO explains in part why B hauled off on Lulu at the second fashion show. By the time B encounters Lulu at that show, I think B suspected Lulu had been setting her up.

        At the first show, when Bethenny tried to talk things out with Jill and was rebuffed, B said to Lulu, “You said she wanted to talk to me.” After Lulu’s sandbagging her at their first meeting and then Jill shutting her down and clearly not wanting to talk to her at the first fashion show, when B next sees Lulu at a show, B blows up, calls Lulu a snake and says she doesn’t trust her. (Then B spends the rest of the show sandwiched between Lulu and Kuku. Oy.)

        Later I think B realized that Jill had been playing everyone including Lulu. While that doesn’t excuse Lulu for her part in playing the “isn’t Bethenny horrible” game, IMO B considered Lulu a bit player and not consequential. She didn’t care about Lulu. As Bethenny said on WWHL, since she and Lulu weren’t friends, she can be cordial to Lulu in social situations (such as Sonja’s party after the VI trip). But Bethenny did care about Jill. Jill’s deliberate scorched earth campaign was so over the line, personally and professionally, that there was no going back.

      • Squirrels says:

        “her “I demand an apology” tour.” LOLOL. Yep, that’s what it was all right.

  102. Well, shoot! Don’t let it be a buzz kill! 😦

  103. krone says:

    1st of all, thank you so very much Lynn for leaving the link to your blog w/ Alex and Simon. It was very thoughtful of you and I appreciate your kindness. In just a few days of “being” here I understand why everyone is so wild about you. I felt like I wase there in the room with Alex and that was such a treat because I adore both her and Simon. Did you get a chance to see the boys? I felt kind of cheated this season; deprived of seeing them mature because I really do believe that Francois is gifted and most likely Johann is as well but he was still a baby when last seen on the show. Perhaps this season was so dark, it would have been jolting to see the little ones, although they did have a b’day party for 1 of the boys that ended up on the cutting room floor. I was hoping to see them in the lost footage but no such luck.

    BGM?!!! I love it!!!!! I know B can be ascerbic at times but it’s part of her charm and she’s shown over and over again that she can take it as well as hand it out. I LOVE Jason and his family; B not only gets a hubby but an entire family and I couldn’t be happier for her!! One thing that kept going through my head during this episode and last especially, was how hard and what a good sport B is with the no drinking rule of pregnancy. Personally, I’m not that much a “people person” and it must be hard to deal with all those people who are drinking while being stone cold sober yourself. Anyway, after the show I had a happy feeling,, somewhat like the feeling I used to get after watching the girls on NYC before things got so dark. I admire B’s willingness to put it all out there, good and bad. I got misty eyed more than once e.g. the wedding officiant’s office and Jason’s loving response and compassion. I know that B has her faults but don’t find it frustrating because B would be the first to acknowledge that fact. As for peeing in the bucket? I think it’s hilarious and started thinking that more than 1 pregnant bride probably had to do it but would NEVER put it out there! Lulu would be mortified, oh she, the one who has no need for bathrooms at all!

    Thanks again Lynn for the link to Alex and for having this site. I keep strange hours but will hopefully get more chances to interact with the other wonderful people who post here. You’re a Godsend!!!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      What a nice post! Thank you!

    • That was a nic epost. Welcome Krone! 🙂

      You did see Francois and Johan a time or two didn’t you. I jsut can’t rmember how many times they were shown, but it wasn’t near as many times as in seasons 1 and 2.

      I’ve seen some recent pics of them and they have grown like weeds! Ugh1 Time flies so fast! LOL!

    • katiecoo says:

      Hiya krone…and welcome to the blog!

      • krone says:

        Hi and thank you all for the warm welcome:) I’m usually a lurker and not a poster because I’ve visited so many sites in the past where I saw people being really viscious to people whose opinions they don’t agree with. I’m all for airing differing opinions but can’t stand ad hominem attacks and after reading here for a while now, felt safe enough to post. I appreciate and applaud your ability Lynn, to encourage people who disagree, to do so respectfully. I remember tweeting Danielle to keep her chin up amid the constant trashing and was trashed a bit myself for doing so. I think it’s pretty clear that Bravo has a storyline it wants to push and some people lap it up without question. Everything becomes black and white and I live in a world of grays. No one is perfect; no one is all bad (except maybe JZ, Leather and Terrorista. lol~ IMO) So thanks again for the welcome and I already feel that I know some of you after having read here for a while.;)

  104. tuzentswurth says:

    I am not so quick to judge B’s mother. I think it is entirely possible that B hasn’t really resolved some adolescent feelings and has never realized that her mother is only human and maybe tried her best but made many bad errors along the way. Notice I said “it is possible”. I could be completely wrong. The woman could be completely terrible. That said, I think everyone needs to forgive their parents, move on and try to be a better parent yourself. I wonder how B’s perspective will change now that she is a parent and deals with the everyday pressure to meet a child’s needs in a way that pleases the child for many, many, many, many (can anybody tell that I am a parent?) years. I’m sure she will look back and recognize many missteps that could have been done differently. What parent hasn’t? Parenting is very tough especially for people who go into it with issues of their own, therefor I don’t want to jump on the “Bethenny’s mother was terrible” bandwagon. I hope the woman finds peace and that someday B can find the love and support from her that a mother should provide for her daughter, and that B can accept it with love and forgiveness………..well, in an ideal world……………

    • Bethenny seems like she would have the capacity to forgive her mom–she did so with her father by her going out to him and caring for him before he passed. Doesn’t mean that everything was ok, but that she was able to lay all the pain aside and be there in his last hours. I think if there was any chance her mom could be at her wedding and act decently, Bethenny would have invited her. Seems like she really wanted to but if someone can’t act in a nice way, it’s better not to have them there at all. It was sad.

      • katiecoo says:

        And to add the factor of her mother potentially wanting to come only to capitalize on the attention/fame/$$$ factor.

        Just saw the movie Where The Heart Is again and that’s what happened to poor Novalee by her evil mother played by Sally Field. (feelin kinda silly tonite)

    • error 404 says:

      I don’t think that the two are mutually exclusive. Just because B has unresolved adolescent anger toward her mom, doesn’t mean Bonnie was only human. It’s pretty clear that Bonnie’s best wasn’t good enough by anyone’s standards. See, the rich can escape to boarding school. Had the Frankels been poor, B would have been in foster care sooner than you can say “unsafe environment”.

      • DesertGal says:

        Just because B has unresolved adolescent anger toward her mom, doesn’t mean Bonnie was only human.

        Umm…aren’t we all only human?

        I’m not defending Bonnie here, because it’s pretty clear that Bethenny has some serious, justified issues with her, and I’ve known women myself who were bad mothers, and should never have had children. But, to be human is to be flawed…and some are more screwed up than others.

        • krone says:

          I so agree with you DesertGal. I don’t believe anyone gets up in the morning saying,”what can I do to fuck up my kid this morning?” Except for those who have a pathological illness, most of us try to do the best we can with what we have. I haven’t a clue who Bonnie is but am hoping that Bethenny, now that she’s a mother, can understand how complex the parent/child relationship is. If that doesn’t happen, I hope the senior Hoppys help fill that emotional void. Most of all, I just want little Bryn to grow up feeling she’s the most cherished little girl ever born.

        • error 404 says:

          As my Mom once said about one of my SILs: “Cats are better mothers!”

    • Squirrels says:

      In one BGM? scene, does she not mention her mother was an alcoholic? I could be wrong, it just sticks in my head for some reason.

  105. LynnNChicago says:

    Take a look at the tweet I just got!

    colibrimoon @LynnNChicago do u know the i h8t alex blogger? she changed evry wrd in my comment. y do they let her do that?

    If this doesn’t convince you all to stop posting over there, nothing will. This “Gwen” person is completely unethical and lies through her teeth.

    Have you ever heard of a blogger changing people’s posts before, anywhere?

    If you can’t get your point across and make a case for your point of view without altering comments and lying, you clearly don’t believe in your own convictions.

    • katiecoo says:

      Yes ! In fact quite a few people have posted here that their posts on jillzarin.com were altered. Someone named George just last week…?

      • LynnNChicago says:

        I’m not sure that I believe that. I suppose it is possible but Jill or her people tend to just delete anything against Jill. This crazy bitch over at “I hate Alex” site just changes it so that it sounds like they all support her.

        It is one thing to delete posts, it is a completely other to alter what people say. Completely unethical!

        • katiecoo says:

          I agree! Unless of course you alter my spelling errors. 😉

        • In my opinion, Jill wouldn’t be beyond doing something like that too if she is able to do that on her website. I guess what anyone whose post was altered by that other blog’s owner can do is complain to wordpress. Don’t know if it would have any effect, but worth trying. If you post there again, compose your message somewhere to keep a copy then post.

          I think it’s a waste of time posting to that site or even reading anything there. It’s set up for misinformation, not a real blog.

          • Need a Hobby says:

            “It’s set up for misinformation, not a real blog.”

            Exactly! It’s not a blog for discussion, it’s a plant. It’s a platform for propaganda in support of JZ and against anyone on her shit list.

          • felony stupid says:

            Just took a looksee and not sure if Gwen – or whoever is running that crap blog, is terrible with computers or is just plain stupid.

            If she’s trying to weed out all the anti-Jill stuff she’s doing a piss poor job. She’s allowing some anti comments (I’m certain not all) which remain and those she is deleting are mid-conversation so it is easy to get the gist of the post from the response comments.

            Another interesting factoid, this:

            Rusty says:
            July 2, 2010 at 5:06 am
            Gwen . . . pls don’t post this.

            I hope you understand that the majority of people posting on your site are Otay. She’s BONKERS.

            IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY THIS POST:

            Reply
            Rusty says:
            July 2, 2010 at 8:06 am
            Gwen . . . thank you for respecting my request.

            Reply

            wtf? Why allow this? She’s a moron.

            So glad we have you Lynn!!! Thank you so much creating a place that is so much fun 🙂

        • Need a Hobby says:

          IMO that other blog is a blog by a sockpuppet to provide a venue for sockpuppets.

          Nothing ethical about it from its inception, IMO.

        • JillHater says:

          Interesting, I posted a comment over there, just asking why she would hate Alex and pointing out the contradictions in her post and it posted, but was immediately removed. There was no “your comment is being moderated” It was there immediately and then it was gone. I guess I just had to test for myself whether or not this person was going to be fair. I didn’t even use this screen name. Instead I used the name I used to use when I posted on TWOP. Makes me wonder who this Gwen person really is. Anyway, I just wanted to give them a chance to be fair, now that I know they won’t be, no more hits from me.

  106. katiecoo says:

    Picked up today’s issue of US Weekly (yes I wanted to read about The Bachelorette..lol) and they have a FULL PAGE on Bethenny Getting Married? upcoming wedding episode and gave it………….drumroll…………..4 out of 4 STARS!!!!

    Wooohoooo!!! I am so getting a bottle of champagne to toast her wedding..corny? Maybe. Who cares? 😀

  107. Adgirl says:

    Does anyone know why Simon stopped blogging? Is it something about his employer? I hope he is not in trouble with them b/c of the show. When Jill stated on the reunion that Alex was posing for her sexy time photos at Simon’s hotel I was worried for him.

    • Hi, Adgirl! What I read was that Jill did something that could have gotten Simon fired, but not sure if that was true or speculation. Anybody correct me if you know different. But apparently that was why he quit blogging. Thank goodness it didn’t work.

    • katiecoo says:

      He did post that it was just getting too much for him timewise and he needed to focus on the book tour and the boys as well as work. I wish he would start up again though. Even in retrospect. 🙂

    • Need a Hobby says:

      He stopped blogging long before the reunion. He tweeted IIRC that was a matter of time. He took a lot of time with his recaps, rewatching the show and writing. With working full time and the book signings, he preferred to spend his free time with his family.

      • Well I had seen that too about his being too busy to blog but the last postings I’d seen somewhere said it had been jill causing trouble for him, but didn’t know if it was true. I even remember someone saying that Alex had posted it somewhere. Whether true or not doesn’t matter to me (though I wouldn’t put it past jill to try to cause trouble in this way). I just miss his blogs. 😦

      • Don’t blame him there. If he’s too busy with work and the effort he put in his blogs took so much time, he should spend it w/the family. 🙂

  108. Kokuanani says:

    I thought folks might like this article from Salon.com on BGM.

    A slightly higher class of readers than Dlist.

    http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/heather_havrilesky/2010/07/03/bethenny_gets_married?source=newsletter

  109. I’m DONE! LOL! Only so many times I can wake myself up while typing! LOL! See ya’ll later! 🙂

  110. error 404 says:

    Just got a good laugh. Facebook has suggested I “like” Jill Zarin because “Many who like Bethenny Frankel like her” LOL Um… maybe, like 6 months ago they might have. Get with the program FB!

  111. m293131 says:

    Lynn:

    I hope that u don’t feel bad that she has blocked me. I am a loyal fan of yours and there is no way I would unfollow you to follow her. As for begging i would never do that even if i enjoyed her on twitter. She is so pathetic. Enjoy Canada but don’t forget to blog. I check every morning for your blogs

  112. Jenni says:

    I was just going back through some of Lynn’s older blogs, and came across this:

    Bravo fan says:
    June 21, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    On Jill’s FB. there is a comment about a petition to keep Jill on the show:
    It was started three days ago and only has 50 signatures. haha ha.

    So, the petition has been out there for a little over 2 weeks now, and it is now up to…..

    drum roll…..

    Signatures: 55
    Goal: 100,000

  113. Jenni says:

    It seems that since Bethenny is now saying she doesn’t think she will be doing HWs any longer (does that mean she thinks Kelly will be back?):

    http://www.buzzsugar.com/Interview-Bethenny-Frankel-Star-Bravos-Real-Housewives-New-York-City-Bethenny-Getting-Married-8981895

    Jill is now not so intent on taking her “spiritual journey” and intends to return to HWs

    • Not surprised Jenni. I didn’t believe one minute Jill would leave. She’s addicted to thelimelight. That is all she has! The other women have things going on for them.

      • dumberries says:

        I agree, Zarin will come back no matter what. Imo, the reasons she made such a point of saying she might not be able to come back if Alex was invited back were to (a) claim that she, Zarin, made the choice not to return if Bravo doesn’t invite here, (b) try to make it more difficult for Alex to come back, and (c) blame Alex if she’s not on the show next year. She won’t assume any responsibility for her fate. She probably thinks the whole world will turn against Alex for depriving us of our Queen Zarin if she doesn’t return. Gag. It was particularly cowardly for Zarin to say she wouldn’t want to film with Alex because “Alex clearly hates me”. Huh? She should have owned up to the fact that she clearly hates Alex, which is written all over her face and in all of her interviews. I hate Zarin!

        • felony stupid says:

          Dumberries – great point!

          It was particularly cowardly for Zarin to say she wouldn’t want to film with Alex because “Alex clearly hates me”. Huh? She should have owned up to the fact that she clearly hates Alex, which is written all over her face and in all of her interviews. I hate Zarin!

          There’s been some writers and artcles where they seem to be looking for common traits between Jill and Bethenny (usually unflattering ones). This is a good example of how they really are very different.

          Jill says she won’t come back if Alex is there and instead of taking responsibility for this decision, she shifts blame by claiming she’s a victim of Alex’s hatred of her.

          On the flipside, when some often ladies said that Bethenny had told them she didn’t want to film with Kelly, B immediately owned it and said (I’m paraphrasing): “Yes, I did, because I don’t like her.” She absolutely could have said, “Yes, because Kelly hates me” (which is true unlike Jill’s saying that Alex hates her) but she didn’t.

          Just one of a thousand examples of the major differences in Bethenny’s and Jill’s character

        • tuzentswurth says:

          HEY JILL, JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY IT, IT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S TRUE….or whatever her dumb outburst was, can’t remember verbatim because I turn her down to 2.

    • dumberries says:

      Thanks for the link! Interesting. I think this could be right up LuAnn’s alley. She might nail it. (Bonus: if she does well, she could stop singing)

  114. boston02127 says:

    G’ Morning & Happy 4th of July everyone!

  115. boston02127 says:

    I don’t know if this link has been posted before. It’s Jill talking about her “peacock theory”. It’s one of those laugh/puke videos.

    http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/06/18/jill-zarin-peacocks-real-housewives-new-york-city-secrets-jewish-mother/

    • What drivel! She’s an ass!

    • anitabee says:

      It’s comments like these that make me say:

      ” I Hate Jill Zarin”.

      She’s not a peacock. She’s an annoying parrot.

      Honestly, doesn’t she sound like one?

    • dumberries says:

      Thanks for the link Boston! Geez, Zarin really is a bird brain. Not every couple is competing for the “starring role” in the relationship. I know plenty of friends and couples who are equally front and center. I guess this wise psychology of relationships was passed down as one of the secrets of her Jewish mother.

      • katiecoo says:

        She uses those metaphors alot “front row friend” and “starring role”. I guess she is a person who just always needs to feel “on stage” which again, would be a classic trait of a Narcissist.

  116. Jill posted on her facebook that cooking is one of her “hobbies”.

    Following in her mentor’s (Bethenny’s) footsteps she is!

    She’ll be releasing that cookbook any day now! 😛

  117. boston02127 says:

    This is cute. From Bethenny’s tweets:

    This is who I hang out w now.this is bryn’s posse. http://twitpic.com/2251vf

  118. myname2use4now says:

    Sorry if this has been posted, but have you guys seen Kelly’s tweet about Jennifer Miller’s jewelry? Jennifer is Bethenny’s jeweler of choice and she makes really beautiful stuff. Kelly’s tweet:

    @kikilet Get this from jennifer miller jewelry. It screams summer http://twitpic.com/223z3v

    The picture is of a necklace (or just string) with beads on it that maybe one of her daughters made at camp. Sorry but I don’t know how to post pictures, links, etc. but honestly, I think it’s really insulting to Jennifer Miller whose only crime is that Bethenny likes her jewelry. Nothing like a little bullying, aye, kikilet?

  119. Olivia says:

    Perhaps they need to change the title to “The Real Thieves, Grifters, Liars, Cheats, Frauds, Embezzlers of New Jersey”. Will not be able to watch one more segment of Theresa spending like a drunken sailor as the lawsuits pile up! Crap like this never felt to good!

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/fake_reality_2sscB7fAfDphr0egcOKTQL

    • anitabee says:

      Wow…this explains so much.

      I guess I don’t understand how all of these housewives can swim through a river of sh*t but nothing sticks to them!

      The last thing a normal functioning person would do is throw a $$$$$ housewarming party with Bankruptcy looming over them. I really don’t get the housewives with Children that go on national TV and act like a complete A-hole (or worse, ala Danielle).

      What is wrong with them???

      What is wrong with Andy Cohen???

      Why can’t Andy ever get the truth out of them???

      Why can’t I stop watching…(I really can’t…I don’t even try anymore.)

      And yes, I’ll be tuning in to the Real Housewives of Washington…

      Happy 4th of July Everyone!!!

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        People can do amazingly stupid things with “other people’s money”…….until they get caught!

    • dumberries says:

      Olivia, I agree, it’s maddening. Thanks for the link.

      The very first thing we saw Teresa doing in the initial season of NJ was buying every thing she saw in the upscale furniture store and bragging about it to Jacqueline. A year later, we find out they’ve filed for bankruptcy and never had the money to pay for their over-the-top lifestyle; just conning all the viewers. Now, we find out they may be hiding assets from the IRS (crime) and forged a mortgage payback statement (crime).

      Andy said on WWHL that he didn’t realize the deLeseppe’s were renting the NYC townhouse (thought they owned it). I don’t care if someone rents or owns, but it really makes you question the screening process for new cast members.

      Bravo, if you’re going to sell us “Real” Housewives, we should at least know if anything you’re showing us is truly real. It’s just a show, but it does feel like we’ve been punk’d by the likes to Teresa, NeNe, Lynne… I can’t watch NJ, Atl, or OC. Sure hope Bravo does a better job with DC and BH!

      • Char212 says:

        Lucky for the owner of the high end furniture store that Theresa paid cash. If she hadn’t he would have been one of the unlucky ones who got stiffed by them.

        • katiecoo says:

          ohyeah and now we know why all the cash..the “assistance from family members” money. And of course, hiding all their money and no usable credit cards.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        It does make you wonder how closely they check out these women – psychologically, financially, criminal backgrounds, etc. And again, it makes you wonder how some of these wives ignore the fact that they will be exposing their lives on national television when they have some nasty skeletons in their closets! Why do they think viewers would overlook this crap or feel sorry for them when it all comes out?

        • Char212 says:

          That’s a good question Windy. They were probably naive enough to think that no one would find out. And if they did think people would feel sorry for them they are delusional as well.

        • Kokuanani says:

          I’m hoping there are some female agents with the IRS who tune in to the New Jersey housewives’ show and think about opening up an inquiring about that “family money.”

    • katiecoo says:

      OMG! Yeah, like someone’s gonna give someone else “permission” to sign a document indicating a 6 figure loan was paid off that was still outstanding. Unbelievable the gall!

      Get these grifters out of the limelight…they need to be working HARD, not to have more mouths to feed, but to pay back all the people they’ve RIPPED OFF.

      Thanks Olivia for this info….unreal!

    • Squirrels says:

      Great find Olivia. Surely puts things into a more clear perspective.

  120. Char212 says:

    Good Morning and Happy 4th everyone!

    As far as I’m concerned Teresa and the whole NJ crew are all frauds. I have a really strong feeling that we won’t be seeing them next year. They will all probably be in jail by then lol. Thanks for the link Olivia

  121. teamb says:

    HAPPY 4th everyone,,and oh,,hey,,I hate Jill Zarin…lolllllllllllllllllllll

  122. MickeyMouth says:

    Happy 4th everyone. I decided to stay clear for awhile after the recent otay uprising. Sorry to read you got caught in the crosshairs boston.

    I spent the last few days updating my site. I was just throwing those photoshops up there and it was becoming a bear to manage. I figure I will probably find more housewives to photoshop so I might as well make the site user friendly. Let me know what you think.

    BTW. I did create that chop for you error 404. http://mickeymouth1.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/jill-nora-desmond-zarin/

    I’ll have to do some catch-up reading later. Time to get ready to barbeque 

    Have a safe and fun day everyone!

  123. WindyCityWondering says:

    Happy 4th to all! Play safe and enjoy the day.

    • dumberries says:

      You too WindyCityWondering! Have a fabulous day.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        back at you dumberries. Yesterday was the big day here, today is the traditional neighborhood BBQ…..which always gets interesting as the day turns into evening!

        • dumberries says:

          Sounds like fun. I’m in San Francisco – a very windy city, but not The Windy City! I still prefer the old charcoal weber bbq – half the fun is battling the wind to get the coals lit.

          • error 404 says:

            I love my blue webber! I use the chimney to get the coals started and it works great. Have a happy 4th!

            • dumberries says:

              Good tip. Have a great day Error! I’m gonna try to pull myself away from the computer and get out and enjoy some sunshine. It’s fun coming back here when there are lots of new comments to read through. HAPPY 4TH!!!

              • error 404 says:

                The wi-fi reaches to the yard, and even if the laptop battery runs low, we have a 50′ orange extension cord running from the garage to the hammock under the big tree. Sick. lol

              • katiecoo says:

                I love hammocks! 😀

  124. Adgirl says:

    OMG has anyone posted this link? Holy photoshop this is funny. Someone has recreated famous tv & movies scenes with the RHNY ladies. Jill is the wicked witch of the west with her flying monkey.

    http://mickeymouth1.wordpress.com/

  125. WindyCityWondering says:

    Wondering what is going on out in the Hamptons today. Who is partying with whom? Hope we don’t get Jill’s “recipes” again but then this might be her attempt to not talk about the other wives and show us she has family and friends. LuAnn may be regretting her invite to the Zarins to bunk at her place….since it is raining men there! So in this holiday….I still hate Jill Zarin……alot!

  126. WALLETSNIFFERJILLZARiN says:

    Reasons why Bethenny wil never be like Jill Zarin.

    Bethenny married for love – Jill as stated in her book marry for money.

    Bethenny takes responsibility for her actions – Jill she claims she is having a bad day or is constipated.

    Bethenny works hard for everything she achieves – Jill bullies, threatens, manipulates (even bobby telling him she will have sex with him for the jewerly) to get what she wants.

    Bethenny never plays the victim – Jill at St Johns when everyone didn’t want her there crying to Bobby they are so mean and I didn’t do anything. REALLY NOTHING?

    Bethenny I don’t think would ever purchase a 16000 purse. She shops at Costco. Jill constantly brags about money. She doesn’t even know Jason and she was talking about her boots. Really!

    I have never seen Bethenny cause drama at a party – Jill every party is she doesn’t like that everyone is fawning over her she causes a fight.

    Bethenny is funny as hell – Jill is as funny as Ginger shitting all over the apartment. Gross.

    Bethenny is a good friend – Jill manipulates and molds people to become her stepford friends (Kelly and Lulu). If they get out of line she cuts them with her wicked knife.

  127. MickeyMouth says:

    I found this photo Alex and Simon did for Be-The-Link. The picture as well as the entire montage are very cool. http://www.be-the-link.org/links

    Under the initial photo look for the thumbnail of a man in a chair and a portrait on the wall that is Simon and Alex.

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