I Hate Jill Zarin Real High School Kids of New Jersey 7-13-10

I Hate Jill Zarin                   Real High School Kids of New Jersey        July 13, 2010

Ok Come on!   If there is one thing that I cannot stand it is when someone tries to make a fool of me or tries to get one over on me, well guess what?  Bravo is well on its way to being on my shit list! 

No one who watched the NJ Housewives last night could possibly have believed that this really happened without any influences whatsoever by producers, cameras or pre-planned drama! 

How many times have we heard Jill Zarin say that she was told to bring the drama or lose her apple.  Well I have no idea what the Jersey girls hold, there’s no apple, peach or orange in their hands but there is always a danger of losing their place on the show. 

First a girl who does not model, does not have any experience modeling and isn’t even the modeling type is asked out of the blue to model in a fashion show.  This ensures that Jacqueline and Teresa will be attending the function.  The drama at Posche’ Boutique with Danielle and her customer service issues also seemed way out of whack, however, it allowed for Kim to call Danielle and beg her to come to the fashion show.   Danielle is talking to Kim about “rebuilding their relationship”?  After what?  The traumatic event of a rude salesclerk?   This has broken down this friendship so badly that they need to “rebuild” it?  WTF?

Caroline, in my opinion, just refused to play along not caring if she loses her apple, peach or orange!   Smart lady! 

So the stage is set (by Bravo) to ensure that Danielle is at the same function as Teresa and Jacqueline.   Add to that the always volatile Ashley in attendance, throw in one of the Kim’s for good measure and we’re off to the races!  No one will ever convince me that these two Kim’s weren’t given instruction from producers and are both auditioning to be the next Real Housewife of New Jersey!  If you look at every incident that has happened to date on this show, one of the two Kim’s was involved in the drama! 

We then are treated to meetings and conference calls, discussions and strategy planning all in preparation of this friggin fashion show!  Should we go, should we not go, what we should do if someone looks at us wrong, what we should tell Ashley.  Time filler nonsense!  Everyone knows they’re going so the editors need a smack for all this wasted time!  Again, making viewers look like fools!

Just watching Ashley give that sickening wave to Danielle and staring at her like a punk was enough to make me turn it off…. Of course, I didn’t turn it off.  When the teenage delinquent pulled Danielle’s hair, I should have turned it off again, but again, nothing! 

This is truly like a bad movie with horrific acting.  If anyone thought for one moment that Teresa really just wanted to say hello to Danielle and chat a bit catching up with each other’s lives, I have some swamp land in Florida I’d like to sell you!  All of these women are either outright told to create drama or they just sense that they need to create drama in order to stay on the show.  There is no doubt in my mind that Teresa wants to stay on this show more than anything!  We also know now that she desperately needs the money as well! 

If Jacqueline left the dining room of the fashion show to go look for Ashley, why did she plop her ass down in a chair next to Teresa? 

On a side note, do you think that Teresa and Jacqueline have the first clue how absolutely STUPID they look in those idiotic fur stole jackets?  OMG!  Hideous! 

Teresa calls Danielle, “honey” then changes it to “bitch, is bitch better?”  And “what, I had to say hello first?” to “why are you running away from me?” They might as well be saying,  “Did you see them walking to History class together holding hands?” or “ I wonder who Juicy Joe is going to take to the prom.”  What the hell?  We’re not children and we’re not idiots, that was the tag line that Bravo sells this show with?  Truly asinine! 

When Danielle comes off as the sane and rational person in this incident that says it all!  Danielle is no longer the bad guy, now Teresa and Jacqueline are the mean girls who are attacking Danielle.  As Bethenny says, “it’s what happened!” 

The entire fight was ridiculous, Teresa and Jacqueline chase Danielle throughout a country club screaming at her, “I read the court documents, Danielle” and “my house isn’t in foreclosure” (a technicality by the way)  Who does that?  No one! 

There are actually people defending Ashley’s need to “defend” her mother.  First of all, we all know that there was no way that kid thought Danielle hit her mother, even if she did think that, how would pulling her hair when she was surrounded by large men help her mother? 

Someone needs to teach Teresa that when a police officer asks you for identification, your response is not to tell him to get Danielle’s driver’s license, but to do as you’re told!  You do not tell a police officer how to do his job!  When an officer asks you what happened, your response of “I didn’t do nothing” is not only poor English, but it is the wrong answer!  Treating a police officer who was trying to do his job like crap just shows the class of these people.  Typical citizens who had done nothing wrong would have cooperated fully, mob wives who have no respect for law enforcement treat officers the way Teresa did. 

Ladies and gentlemen, we are being duped!  Bravo is expecting us to swallow this utter crap as entertainment!  I don’t find it entertaining, I don’t find it funny and I don’t like being treated like an idiot by a television network that I support as much as anyone, probably more than most! 

There are only two things that would have made this show worth watching. One would be if we had gotten to see Ashley taken away in handcuffs and two if Kim’s driver would have run Teresa down with the car when she stood in front of it demanding to talk to Danielle. 

There is a lot of debate about Albie’s education and the situation that he is in at this point but there is too much that we don’t know.  Most important, what is his disability?  It was never made clear and it is critical to making an informed opinion.  We don’t know how much the school knew about Albie’s disability.  We don’t know if the school made any effort to assist him in regards to his disability.  The school would only be obligated to assist if they were aware, obviously, and if the law required it.  We don’t know if Caroline and Al got their son any private assistance with his coursework. 

More questions, how long had Albie known that he was failing law school before anything was done about it?  Albie’s attorney said that the school dropped the ball, but she also indicated that Albie was given a number to call to get assistance and got no answer.  How many times did he call that number?  When he got no response, did he return to the Dean of Students and inform him of that?  Making one phone call and not getting an answer is not much effort.  I think the burden of exhausting all resources should be on the student at this age. 

I think it is admirable that Albie wants to go back to school, however, I don’t think he should get any help that any other student isn’t entitled to receiving.  If the rules are, you have to wait two years, why should Albie be an exception?  It is tough to believe that Albie didn’t know he was failing well before the end of the year and it doesn’t appear as though he made every effort he could to get the help that he needed before it was too late.  Again, we don’t know the answer to that, maybe he tried everything, screamed from the rooftops that he needs help and was ignored by everyone, professors, parents and the Dean of Students? 

Fans of the show are debating the education situation but again, without more information, there is really no way to make an educated opinion.  Opening up debate is always a good thing but when the debate turns ugly and into arguments and fighting, it doesn’t make sense. 

Caroline appeared on Watch What Happens Live in May and pretty much said it all ends well so again, why does it matter, apparently he ends up back in law school.

Chris and Jacqueline sitting down to talk to Ashley about her behavior were so frustrating!   They are not saying what needs to be said.  She walked away from that conversation thinking she was right and her parents were wrong.  That kid has absolutely no remorse, she had no explanation for her horrible behavior, and she’s never going to change, she is immature, she appears on Twitter and Facebook with the same horrendous attitude she has on the show! 

Clearly I don’t think I’m “too good” to watch this crap, I watch Bravo all the time but this isn’t the typical trash, this show is the ultimate train wreck and we’re all forced to watch it because Bravo says so apparently!  Bravo, I really detest you right now!

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485 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Real High School Kids of New Jersey 7-13-10

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  2. Upper WestSide Dude says:

    I thought Bravo was duping us last season during that whole table flipping scene. If you notice when Danielle walks in she is carrying a rather small and very slender purse and nothing else. Then out of nowhere, she places the infamous book on the table which is quite thick. Where did it come from? It didn’t come in with her. Did the producers plant the book for her?

    • rawhideaz says:

      Fantastic point. I remember looking for the book when she walked in last year and then completely forgot about it until you mentioned it.

      • BamaBelle says:

        I’ve wondered about that, too… Here’s a few possibilities…

        Danielle had it in the car, went back and got it and put it on the table. Bravo edited out her going back to her car. Or, one of her girls had it with them, Bravo edited out the part where one of the girls gave it to her… OR… Danielle came to the dinner prior to filming and put the book in her seat or under it… maybe came prior and gave it to a Hostess and asked her to bring it to her… all this edited out.

        I wonder why we can see an all-out freaking scene where Danielle’s hair was pulled… Teresa was held back, all this screaming and fighting, but they edited out what really happened in the Virgin Islands with Kelly?… Weird! I thought Bravo wanted her show us the drama… why couldn’t we see the REAL drama with Kelly?

        • BamaBelle says:

          That’s suppose to be… I thought Bravo wanted to SHOW us the drama… ohhhhhhh, I long for an edit button… LOL!

  3. Buffywood says:

    Love it Lynn, you are so on the money. The whole crew on this show is trash and I refuse to watch. Bravo must really think the general population is stupid if they think we buy all of this just happens… Of course when you see how many “fan” these horrible women (Jill, Kelly, Theresa, Ashley) have that are clearly dumber than dog shit, no wonder Bravo feels they can pull one over on us.

    On the subject of Albie, he had to know how his grades were…you take a test you get a grade… you write a paper you get a grade… maybe the fact alone that he didn’t know how he was doing should tell us he doesn’t belong in law!!!

    I know I a cold hearted bitch sometimes (I guess I let my Jill Side show), but I don’t feel the least bit bad about the school not asking him to return. Earlier someone posted info about the American Disabilities Act and I really believe it has done amazing things for SO many people, but come on… there has got to be minimum standards. There is definitely a time and a place to make “reasonable accommodations” for people but there has to be a limit. Call me crazy but I don’t want my daughter’s school bus driver to be blind, my OBGYN to have Parkinson’s, my son’s teacher to have Alzheimer’s, my dentist to have schizophrenia, or my accountant to be severely dyslexic. Sometime life sucks and just because you want to be something doesn’t mean you can. Sorry… for my little rant. Why is the Bitches of New Jersey brings out the anger in me?

    • myname2use4now says:

      You’re right on the money, Buffy.

    • viki55 says:

      Bravo! Well said, very well said:)

    • BamaBelle says:

      I completely agree with you, Buffywood!

      I think Albie just plain failed out and when he had to face the music he blamed his “disability”, the one that didn’t seem to keep him from graduating HS or college. Sometimes we can’t do what we want and have to look for another career. There’s nothing wrong with that. Many, many people have failed their first year of Law School I’m sure, and had to change majors… wait 2 years (abiding by the rules) then study extra hard, or do something else!

  4. Gibgrl1 says:

    Oh boy do I agree with you on this blog. I am so disappointed with Bravo that they have reduced these shows to this nonsense. I, like you, like Bravo, but there is a limit to how much garbage we can and should endure. Seems like Bethenny’s show is being well handled and is really enjoyable to watch. Whoever puts together the Housewives show better take a clue from her show. We will only watch this “unreal” reality just so long and then we will move on. Wake up Bravo…before it’s to late.

  5. quincyillinois says:

    I record the show and skip Albi stuff… I don’t care.

    I read those links that you gave us Lynn. Thanks.

  6. Gina says:

    The bottom line is that Bravo knows that they can’t top the infamous,
    “PROSTITUTION WHORE” ratings bonanza from Season 1. “Is bitch better?” is a pathetic attempt to recapture Teresa’s glory. This is their version of FONZIE JUMPING THE SHARK.
    What is wrong with Andy? He literally throws Danielle under the bus every time another Jersey psychopath graces his set. How can Andy sit with a straight face when Teresa tries to EXPLAIN that it is Joe and his ex business partner that are having financial troubles, but not her. AND SHE CALLS DANIELLE CRAZY!!! I will now only refer to her as “Pooresa” or “Pauperesa”.

  7. Char212 says:

    Would it matter in the ratings if we didn’t watch when it first shows and instead wait for the re-runs? I know it would take a lot more then us to make a difference but it’s worth a shot. As for me though, I’m done with this show. There is no redeeming quality to this show or of the men and women in it what-so-ever IMO.

    • Jules says:

      I’ve been thinking, and I was wondering if it would make a difference if we appealed to the advertisers. You know, we are going to boycott your products if you keep advertising with Bravo, and they don’t clean up their shows. The only thing they listen to is the bottom line. No more purchasing of Bravo products, and no purchasing of products by people spending their advertising dollars on Bravo spots. Hit them in their billfolds.

      • Char-I’ve been wondering the same thing.
        I wasn’t able to catch Betheny Getting Married in the original broadcast, so I had to watch the re-airing, and I was hoping that it, “counted” for something.
        As far as NJ is concerned, I’m torn. If I wasn’t already committed to blogging it, and I don’t even know how committed I am about that at this point, I think I would FORCE myself NOT to watch.
        I’ve already decided to boycott the premier and entire DC series to protest the White House gate crash criminals being on, AND, the exploitation of children, and mentally unstable people like Kelly & Danielle, and other problems that I have with the franchises in general.
        But, back to the Jersey bunch, IF waiting for the re-run would send a message to Bravo, I’m in.
        And I don’t think that any of them should be invited back next year, so I wouldn’t be sorry to see them go.
        There are some good guides out there that tell you when the re-runs air, like the Yahoo tv-guide.

    • Small Town Mama says:

      If you are not a ratings household it doesn’t matter when you watch, it doesn’t count.

      • Char212 says:

        I thought of that later Mama. If we are a rating household no one would know if we watched or not. I guess if we want to send a message hitting the sponsors is the best idea.

  8. Squirrels says:

    I said it on the last blog and I’ll say it again. Andy and his henchmen are responsible for this crap. Misogynists unite. This last episode of “Let’s degrade women” is beyond the pale. They encouraged the drama, filmed it, edited it, aired it. Own it.

    Andy, all that and a bag of chip crumbs is the lowest of the low. He should swap tips with Jenny Jones.

    • anitabee says:

      I know that Andy is a VP at Bravo — but is he really? I am starting to wonder if he is just for show.

      I know his background BUT maybe he peaked. He had a great run at giving us reality shows but somewhere his “must-watch-tv” radar broke. He is us some must-NOT-watch-anymore shows with this group of cray-cray housewives.

      All in all it’s rather boring. That’s why viewers aren’t going to return. This show is B.S. and in no longer entertaining. Last night I fast forward more than 1/2 the show.

  9. dumberries says:

    After watching the first NJ episode this season, I too felt I was being played and haven’t been able to watch another one. I like Lynn’s blog and the comments about it, but can’t stomach the show.

    Luckily, “The Closer” is back in season on TNT Mondays at 9 p.m. Imperfect but smart leading female character, great cast, funny dialogue… It’s a scripted fictional show with actors, and yet it stills feels more real than RHNJ.

    • Jules says:

      Couldn’t agree with you more dumberries, and the people that have been writing tv shows for ages know the real formula for success. If you have a character like Brenda, who some people might end up not liking, you have to humanize her, and make her likable. Brenda is marvelously dysfunctional, and she knows it. I loved it when she said to Fritz when she got married, something to the affect of, she loved him with her whole heart, but sometimes she was afraid that her heart was really, really small. Bravo takes these ladies that you can barely find a reason to like (Jill, Kelly, Teresa, Danielle, etc…) and keep pushing it until you can’t even justify to yourself why you keep watching it. Believe it or not Bravo, we as viewers do like to watch things that make us feel good. The Blind Side was a box office hit, and honestly one of the best movies I have seen in a longtime, and that’s because when it was over I felt really, really good. Try it Bravo.

    • BamaBelle says:

      You’re so right, Dumberries…

      I love “The Closer”… I discovered it the first season it was on and couldn’t believe what a quality show it was with all the twists and turns. I love Kyra Sedgwick. She plays one of my all-time favorite characters as the Homicide Cop “Brenda Johnson”… I love her southern accent, too and was shocked to find out she was born in New York City. She and Kevin Bacon seem to be a Hollywood success story when it comes to their marriage and careers!

      BUT… I haven’t been able to catch the new episodes yet. From now on, I’m watching the The Closer on Monday nights and watch re-runs of NJHO’S later. That is if I watch at all. After the first episode of NJ I had decided I couldn’t take anymore… the show is CRAP as are the Housewives, but after discovering this site I started watching again so I could join the discussions!

      Lynn~It’s your fault I’m watch RHONJ… LOL!… (-;

  10. Nancy Miller says:

    Hi Lynn…love your blog..here in Jersey we are famous for our tomato’s…we all await next week when they come into season. They are wonderful to taste but really ripe the best at throwing!!! This group should get a basket hurled there way.

    • BamaBelle says:


      I have a friend who lives in New Jersey and I’ve heard all about the “great tomatoes”… I know N.J. is called The Garden State, but I don’t know why? Is it because of your tomatoes and produce? Our tomatoes here in the South are really good, too… ours are in already! There’s nothing better than a fresh-picked tomato off the vine! And, they’re too good to waste on the likes of Teresa Guidice!

      • ches says:

        New Jersey definitely has the best tomatoes. I live in a nearby state and tomatoes grown here don’t taste the same as NJ’s. Don’t know why.

  11. kats2 says:

    Um. . . . Mad Men starts soon 🙂

    • Upper WestSide Dude says:

      Exactly! I have something worthwhile to watch on TV this summer. 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • rawhideaz says:

      I LOVE MM. Better yet – I LOVE Jon Hamm. Did you catch that photo of him at ew.com? STUD!

    • mnsue says:

      Check out the site Footnotes of MadMen, background info on the ads, clothes decor etc. Slate has pretty good discussions of eps too.

  12. Thanks for the new blog Lynn. I’m done with NJ after seeing for myself what happened. No actual physical fight between Danielle and Ashley, a cowardly attack by Ashley on Danielle, bullying by all (T, J, D, and A) and a lot of drama brought on for sensationalistic purposes. Bravo’s standards are in the gutter. Thanks goodness I’m done with this show! 🙂

  13. But tell us what you REALLY think Lynn! I think I agree with every word.
    I dug-up something about the ALBIE law-school thing. It has been bothering me so I Googled-around a bit.
    He was admitted the 1st time as a “special case”, and quoted in the Wall Street Journal about it.
    It was not a handicap thing, but he actually didn’t have the GPA and/or LSAT scores to get-into Seton Hall so he found a “secret” way to be admitted.
    I also came to a conclusion about how I personally feel about it.
    But-I could change my mind on that.
    I just posted what I found on my blog. http://njhousewives.blogspot.com/

  14. ? Sorry if this is a re-post. It dis-appeared the first time.
    Thanks for letting us know where you stand Lynn-I agree.
    The law school thing was bugging me.
    I finally came to my personal opinion-but I could change my mind.
    Anyhooo, I just posted on my blog njhousewives.blogspot.com what I found out about how Albie got into law school in the first place.
    He was quoted in a Wall Street Journal story about the “secret” way that he got into Seton Hall even though he did not have the LSAT scores, and/or GPA needed to be admitted.

    • anitabee says:

      I wonder what mama Caroline will say now? Thanks for the info. I enjoyed your blog 🙂

    • Squirrels says:

      Once again, we are asked to believe the story, not our lying eyes. Nor apparently, documented truths.

      Friggin’ sak of drifters – all of them.

    • Noreen says:

      Thanks for the info about Albie. I admire his determination to finish law school, but let me say this in defense of the law school that let him go: I received by Bachelors in Paralegal studies back in the 80’s and have been working full time as a paralegal since then. If someone cannot understand what they read, they have no right to be a lawyer. Ablie is not stupid and I believe his disability is real, but there are plenty of other careers he can enter that don’t involve reading, research, drafting and arguing complex legal theory. He should find a career that does not involve being an advocate for another person. The fiduciary obligations are too great for law schools to just push people through the system. It’s like telling someone without a hand that he can be a surgeon and the medical schools should just push him through. It’s not fair to the patient. Now, if he wants to go to business school and start his own business, I agree, you can manage around those obstacles. But not law school. It’s not fair to his clients. And there have to be some standards set. Wasn’t it Voltaire who wrote equality is every man’s right write to prove his inequality (paraphrasing here – but since he is dead, I don’t think he will mind).

      Well that is my two cents worth. Love the blog Lynn. You express it all so well. I miss RHONY!!!! Thank goodness for BGM and Kathy Griffin

      • BamaBelle says:

        I don’t admire Albie at all. He got into Seton Hall and didn’t EARN it like post people have to. He fails and is told he can’t continue there. He claims a disability… nobody helped he, he made a phone call but nobody answered. Give me a freaking break!

        You CAN do anything if you work hard enough and are quaified to do so… it’s not right that Albie took Mommie and Daddy’s money to hire a lawyer because he didn’t want to sit out 2 years like everybody else has to!

        When he gets into another school and no doubt he already has… he’ll have to study long and hard just like EVERYBODY else, and if he doesn’t… he’ll fail again, and Mommy and Daddy won’t be able to buy him a law degree!

    • Maxine49 says:

      Holy moly! Thanks for that bit of sleuthing. I just knew the truth would come out and that the Manzo clan was not telling the whole story.

      By the way, this is Seton Hall’s position on disabilities:


  15. scorpiosue1102 says:

    What I thought was even more crazy was Jacqueline’s tweet about the episode:

    I’m surprised u all r loving this dysfunction.What kind of sick world do we live in? 4 shame.Happened so long ago 4 us. Glad it’s over.

    She doesn’t get that we are not loving it, but are shocked that grown women act like this. She and Teresa are the one’s that should be shameful regarding their behavior

    Bravo has jumped the shark with this show. It is so trashy and so over the top. There is nothing good about it.

    Regarding Albie’s school problems I did have two classes in college where the only grades were a paper and a final. Honestly, there is not enough info, for me :), to make a sound decision on what’s going on. I have no problem when it comes to the ladies.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Re; Jackie’s tweet

      I’m surprised u all r loving this dysfunction.What kind of sick world do we live in? 4 shame.Happened so long ago 4 us. Glad it’s over.

      Did she really say that? The balls on that bitch…her and her fraggle rock haired friend chase a woman through a country club and her daughter assaulted her.

      They did this because they are a) moronic thugs and b) to secure their position on a third rate tawdry television show.

      What exactly is it the rest of us are suppose to be ashamed of?

  16. dsc60 says:

    good call Nancy Miller. i, too, am from Jersey and no, these women are not going to make me shameful of it. there are good and bad all over as these RH franchises have shown. so please, all that have made comments about Jersey, don’t lump us in with these lunatics.

    anyway, i agree with you lynn. too many things are all too convenient. i also believe they had a hand in danielle bringing the book last year.

    there’s something else i can’t wrap my head around… how did danielle end up with that tuft of hair? wouldn’t it have ended up in ashley’s hand? if it fell, did someone go back in a search for it on the ground? also, you know darn well if danielle really had a bald spot on her head, she would have shown it off for the cameras. not that it matters. it was 100% wrong what ashley did. also, i’m not buying that she did it because she thought danielle hit her mother (also, not that it would have excused it). when jacqueline came walking up to ashley after the incident ashley clearly said, “i pulled her hair because she’s a b!tch!”

    i realize they have all probably had it with danielle and her drama. however, teresa started the talk with knives on her tongue. (there is nothing else that kellyisms are good for, but these ladies deserve it.) the whole situation was embarrassing to watch. i absolutely abhor danielle, but teresa was over the top chasing her out of the club screaming at her the whole way. i honestly believe danielle may have baited her. but teresa fell for it, hook, line and sinker, and made an ass out of herself. i have to believe that danielle was most satisfied about them showing themselves as the mean girls. and really, i don’t understand why jacqueline is so upset about what ashley puts on facebook when she has been behaving the way she has on national television. i think facebook is the least of her problems.

    i’m kind sickened by all this. i was looking forward to enjoying the ladies from my home state. it’s unsettling that they are mere miles from my home. but i’ll say it again, they don’t represent what jersey is about. please don’t insult the majority of normal people that grace our great state. it’s sad that jersey always gets a bad rap. it’s really for the most part a beautiful state with wonderful people.

    • quincyillinois says:

      My daughter has gone to the Jersey Shore with in laws for several years and she thinks the people working there are the salt of the Earth. There are good and bad people everywhere. Most people are trying hard so I think the Human Race has a chance for survival.

    • BamaBelle says:

      I posted above how beautiful I’ve heard The Garden State is… I haven’t been there, I have a friend who lives in NJ and know those women don’t represent the state. Just like the other housewives aren’t a good representation of the other cities and states… especially Atlanta! I know alot of people from Atlanta that are embarrassed too death about those NASTY Atanta Housewives!

      I think Danielle was sit up and she was walking out… already passed Teresa when Teresa said her name. Danielle said, “I said hello” and turned to leave… it was Kim G, who wanted her to stay and talk to Teresa! Danielle couldn’t just leave like Teresa and Jacqueline claimed… she came with Kim G. and was at her mercy as to when they left. Yes, Danielle should of called a cab… but, Teresa was standing in front of the Kim’s car screaming for Danielle to get out, she even said she wasn’t moving! Kim G’s driver would have to run over her!

      The police needed to be called… We know Ashley pulled Danielle’s hair because we saw Danielle’s neck jerk back and even Ashley said she did… because she wanted to, because Danielle’s a bitch! That doesn’t give Ashley a right to put her hands on anybody… she should of gone to jail no matter how disgusting Danielle is… it makes no difference!

  17. ImaJillHater2 says:

    Squirrels, I am with you that Andy & Co. are misogynists. The”secret formula” of these RH shows is the old “you know how GIRLS can be” routine…

    Basically, Bravo has been staging “cockfights” (no pun intended) and exploiting the women.

    Its disgusting, degrading and insulting and I’ve had enough of all of the Real Housewives series. And Andy makes me sick.

    Squirrels, you nailed it and Bravo has been taking us for a ride. I’m done.

  18. I’m so glad I stopped watching RHONJ. These people are turning out to be even worse trash than I originally thought. The sooner this show is tossed in the trashcan, the better.

    Oh, btw Albie’s lawyer has been suspended by the NJ Bar. Not sure for what though.

  19. LALawGirl says:

    Lynn, I completely agree the show is getting ridiculous. I think many of us are getting tired of watching Danielle drama on every episode. I thought the point of the RH shows was to give an impression of how the wealthy & fabulous live, but these women act like they’re in high school. It’s obnoxious.

    On the subject of Albie, most law school classes consist of a semester of lecture & one final exam. Your entire grade is based on that one exam, so it’s likely that he didn’t know that he would fail. However, law schools offer the same accommodations as any other school – if you request it & are entitled to it.

    • Maxine49 says:

      Don’t know what Seton Hall does, however some, but not many, first year law programs have mid-terms just for this very reason…so it is not all or nothing during the first year. The way Albie spoke about it it appeared he had a warning–as otherwise how did the disability/accommodation discussion with the Dean come about…so that leads me to believe they had some kind of mid-term.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I also don’t believe that if it all hung on one exam, that before then he had no idea of how he was doing. We have all taken tests/exams before and knew when we walked in if we were prepared on not- and knew the material being tested.

  20. tweatcyn says:

    I couldn’t agree more, except for Albie. He’s adorable and I love the Manzo’s. It’s Terrible Teresa and Dirty Danielle I can’t stomach. Teresa’s cookbook is actually very beautiful with great recipes, BUT, her frequent snide remarks about Andy, Bethenny and Danielle within the text really trashes up the book and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. She is as you have alluded, another stupid mean girl like Jill Zarin. I stopped following her on twitter.

  21. JillousyHater says:


    This is truly the best blog you ever wrote and you expressed EXACTLY how I feel about this show. Ashley SHOULD have been taken away in handcuffs – there were enough witnesses and she even admitted to the assault right there.

    Teresa really showed how truly low-class she really is. Before they showcased it on WWHL, I also noticed how often she talked about “what a nice person” she was when talking about herself. You can’t quite get more obnoxious then that, can you?

    • Squirrels says:

      Next, T will be climbing to a rooftop screaming “I’m real, I’m authentic. This is just acting.”

      And once again, we’ll all be scratching our heads.

  22. ShyAsrai says:

    so some commenter named Radical Star is hatin’ on Lynn and Lynn’s commenters: meh


    • Squirrels says:

      Nothing to see there…. move along.

    • Squirrels says:

      I have no interest in taking the obvious bait. Now, had it been pate, or a Maine lobster? …..

      • ShyAsrai says:


        • quincyillinois says:

          We really don’t care what they think, ShyA. We are having a conversation with Lynn and fellow posters. Those people are white noise and they can be totally tuned out. Just use your dial.

          • ShyAsrai says:

            jeez! i should do a “kellamity’? LOL ok, dialing down, dialing down…

            i wondered if anyone recognized the commenter. how you guys keep track of which troll is this or that one – even with new sign in names and such – is beyond me!

            • quincyillinois says:

              I don’t track trolls, now moles are another thing. I am at war with moles. Sometimes, there is an actuall battle where I take one of the farm tractors and squish their trailes hoping to accidently squish them. There there are other times that I lead the kittens to the moving hill and offer meat gift to the hired assasin kitten who catches that moving pile of dirt. There are some times, that I just knock over the pile a dirt, spread new grass seeds and call it a day.

              • quincyillinois says:

                I didn’t have glasses on…spelling erros should be ignored… Now.. where are those glasses??????

              • anniieee says:

                I am fighting fricking armadillos that are tearing up my yard. Onlyway to get it to shoot em or trap em… cant shoot and wouldnt know what to do with one in a box. oh well…the armadillos of the world have united in my front yard.

  23. RileyKitty says:

    I was repulsed by this episode. There is not one person I felt sorry for. Danielle was ridiculous, she was sobbing hysterically & somehow couldn’t get to the car on her own even before Ashley (who should have been cuffed & dragged off) got a hold of the weave. If she wasn’t acting like a total drama queen before the weave-pull, I might have felt sorry for her. She knew she was pushing Teresa’s buttons when she brought up the “foreclosure”.

    I was equally repulsed when Teresa (who is just as bat-shit crazy as Danielle) was giving Juicy the details of the evening. She just seemed too proud of her behavior to be sane.

    I don’t know where to even begin with Ashley since she brings out my violent side. I can’t see her on screen without wishing I could reach through & smack the living shit out of her.

    • Squirrels says:

      The sad part is young women in the demographic area will see Ashley as one bitchin’ bad girl and applaud her criminal behavior. As it is, Bravo has already rewarded her with her own blog. This was filmed months ago, so Andy knows what went down on film. Still, hand that girl a crown and scepter. That isn’t pushing the envelope, it’s conspiracy to cause emotional and physical harm and it’s rampant throughout the entire series of HW shows.

      • Squirrels says:

        So, now in place of wanting to be beauty queens, singers, or actresses, young girls will aspire to kick the shit out of perceived enemies in real time. Is this what we want as mothers, fathers, or as a culture in general? I seriously doubt it.

        • anniieee says:

          It is happening in my school (urban Jacksonville) everyday. Girls beating each other up over nothing….she “dissed” me! I have never ever been in a fight…but I am 57… we just didnt do that…now everyone seems to fight..Their mother’s come up and get into it!

  24. Olivia says:

    I have thought for awhile that something is wrong with the “reality” on display with most of these shows. The NY and NY franchises in particular.

    The cameras seem to be available to film any “outbreak” or supposed ” spontaneous” outbursts that happen and though the cast members are most likely “performing” without a script, they are being framed around a topic in order to keep the ball rolling.

    Example: Alex and Simon with the boys having “breakfast” the morning after attending the Met and perusing the papers looking for mention. According to the book, the episode was filmed at 4 in the afternoon.

    Example: Bethenny meeting Lu Ann for drinks on Long Island where Bethenny is supposed to have driven for almost 2 hours from the city with Jason driving the car with the logo. How did that manage to get set up in the first place? Think of the logistics involved and question to the reason for this meeting in the first place. It solved nothing.

    Example: Ramona waiting for Mario in a thighhigh cut nightgown to seduce him into agreeing to a “renewal ceremony”. Are we to believe that the camera was unknown to these two as they sat on the couch and made goo goo eyes at one another and how did they convince Ramona into wearing that negligee?

    This stuff is all set up and some of what Kelly is hinting at does have an element of truth contained somewhere in her incoherency. No dialogue may be scripted but the set ups to where they appear, i.e. restaurants and other public places, must be cleared in advance for indemnity purposes so much of this so called “spontaneity” is forced. An outline is offered and the cast improvises. Simple as that. All the better if they say things that are fueled by anger or jealousy but there is nothing “real” about what is shoveled out to us by way of “reality t.v.”.

    It’s what makes the NJ franchise so outrageously bad. These women have nothing to offer beyond violent language and obscene behavior and they act accordingly.

    Take a look at most scenes from either of these shows and question how they came about to be filmed in the first place. Did Jacqueline, as an example, call Bravo to alert them to the fact that Kim G. was invited over for coffee to discuss Danielle? Don’t think so. What we are watching is manufactured drama that has nothing whatsover to do with “reality”.

    • Squirrels says:

      So the public duping followed by public flogging is at the cost of mental and physical health, reputations and livelihoods. Way to go Bravo. Can’t thank you enough for denigrating American women in general. There is something inherently wrong with this.

      • quincyillinois says:

        I look at watching NJ as a study. These women are not smart enough to be following a script. Teresa is basically Teresa. She and her husband are the people that they are. Danielle is not acting for the show, her reality is this crazy reality.

        Bravo has found a formula to attract an audience and make money. If you know why you watch the show, you aren’t falling into their trap. I am looking at the way people react. Andy is a part of the reality show and he doesn’t know it. He is as trapped by this infamy as those women.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I felt sorry for Ramona when she wore that night gown and acted that way in front of the camera. An internet acquaintance told me that he, a college professor, joined an online dating service. The photos sent to him were of older women in night attire sitting on beds and looking for “love.” That is what came to my mind with Ramona. She should not have done that.

  25. Ada May says:

    If Danielle/Beverly succeeds in getting restraining orders against her castmates she will, in fact, be determining the future of RHWNJ and its ladies(not).

    They couldn’t possibly continue to film together so either she leaves, the other women leave, they are all replaced, or the show is cancelled.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I think Danielle will sue Bravo in the end. She needs money. Bravo has deep pockets. Season Three will be all about the civil lawsuit filed by Danielle. They will film the girls going into the court and talking about the suit in nice restaurants and coffee shops along a NJ highway. Teresa will borrow more fur jackets and we will get a tour of Patterson, NJ.

      • quincyillinois says:


        Think this will play? Danielle is suing for defamation of character. Hmmmm. I wonder how that deposition will go. I think the lawyer might be looking for his 15 minutes too.

        • quincyillinois says:

          Finally, a way to make money from the internet. We can be expert witnesses while the reality stars sue each other’s thongs off.

          • Char212 says:

            I think if anyone defamed her character it was Danielle herself first.

          • If You Had It Like This says:

            I read somewhere today that it’s in their Bravo contracts that they cannot file slander suits against each other. I mean, all they do is slander each other. There would be no show without it.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          “defamation of character” ?

          While I agree she was physically attacked, they all swapped their share of insults. And whats the point of suing big haired T anyway?
          Haven’t they heard the expression ‘ you can’t get blood from stone’. Is Danielle going to stand in line behind the creditors of 11 million they Gorilla family already owes?

          Ashely is 18 and has no personal assets, how much exactly does she think she will be awarded from a kid with a part time job?

  26. LynnNChicago says:


    Just in case you had any questions about Teresa’s education level…

    • boston02127 says:

      Can someone give me the jist of Teresa’s education. I don’t have flash player on my computer and can’t read the link.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Graduated with a degree(doesn’t state type) in Fashion Marketing and Management from Berkeley College (no state given) nor if it was a community college.

        • Berkeley is the type of school(esp. at time Theresa went) that requires no SAT or GPA. you just sign up and go. not a community school. at that time I don’t think you even had to have a HS diploma. Nowadays, they recruit heavily at the High Schools and offer free education to the students with very high GPA’s to boost (gain) some ranking. They are strictly a commuter school. But still, today, you just sign up, pay, and you can go. I dont want to put it down, but i wouldnt be proud if my kid went there…………..sorry.

  27. sonya says:

    Well stated. Note:I thought it was stated that Albie suffers from ADD…. Jacqueline and Teresa are tools. Jacqueline is officially on my shit last after her nasty DM to me yesterday where She defended Teresa yet again…. Ashley was right about one thing, mom is a hypocrite. Yesterday she was annoyed that so many had so much to say about the incident, citing that they were OVER it. Then today she’s doing cartwheels over how many new “fans” she’s acquired and all the overwhelmingly positive comments she’s received.

    • viki55 says:

      Wow…sounds like she is getting the “Kelly Syndrome”. I think Caroline said Albie had “something like ADD”, I don’t think she actually spelled out he was diagnosed as ADD. She said it stared when he was in jr. high. Either way, I am not buying it.

      • From the way that I understand it, ALBIE supposedly has some kind-of reading-comprehension problem. I think, but I’m not sure, that he, or Caroline said that he had trouble recalling text, or that he had to re-read passages of text over, and over to be able to understand what he had just read.
        I don’t know what that is called, it probably has a name?
        I notice that there is special permission granted for SATS, LSATS, and other ‘high-stake”-tests for students to use laptops for essay questions.
        That condition is known as “dysgraph-something or other”, and its pretty common. (un-readable hand-writing).
        For something like what Albie says that he has, they can provide audio, or recorded versions of the tests and reading materials.
        On the LSAT, they also allow for extended, but never unlimited time, on the tests.
        When you get to allowing “open-book” help is where I draw the line, and some people have the nerve to request that kind of accomadation.

      • Squirrels says:

        sounds like dyslexia.

      • BamaBelle says:

        I don’t buy it either, Viki55

  28. boston02127 says:

    Good morning. Great blog Lynn, 5 stars as usual. So true that Bravo has hit rock bottom. I keep saying shame of me for watching such trash. I’m still on the fence with Alble. I’ve read a lot about him since he first announced that he has a learning disability. I question how he made it this far in school. It’s difficult to understanding why all his paperwork about himself was not in check before entering law school. There are so many types of learning disabilities, it’s an uphill fight that anyone living with one knows well. There are many famous people with learning disabilities. Albert Einstein, Galileo, Mozart, Thomas Edison, Louis Pasteur, John F. Kennedy, Walt Disney. Although I do think Albie is making up a few excuses and maybe played a little too much, I hope he finds inspiration and does well. I read this article a while ago, it’s interesting. http://www.ldonline.org/article/6082

  29. Snarkella says:

    thank you so much for this blog. I really love (or should I say “loved”) the idea of the Housewives franchise — it’s like The Real World (when it used to be good) for grown women. I don’t care that it’s not complete reality and that some of it is staged. I love watching women interact. I love watching them having fun, throwing parties, organizing charity events, even fighting over petty BS — I don’t care. That’s what women do. It’s like having another set of girlfriends on television. And of course, it’s fun to gossip about them all behind their backs. Should be a perfect setup.

    But the Housewives are getting out-of-control-stupid and this last New Jersey episode was laughable. Someone needs to get Bravo’s attention and let them know this is ” a f_cking nuff”. This is not what we’re looking for. I want to love my Housewives and I’m not loving this sh_t that Bravo is currently dishing.

    Wasn’t Teresa filing for bankruptcy during filming? Why didn’t we get a storyline with Teresa suddenly slapped with the reality of all her extravagant spending and her friends standing by her side and trying to help her grow up. That’s just one example of how they could have made this show more interesting, instead of turning it into a heaping pile of crap. (Hey Bravo — get the two Kim’s out of there. We’re not buying it!)

    Lynn, I think you definitely have Bravo’s attention. Please continue to drive this point home. Please Lynn. Please, please, please. Save the Housewives!!!

    • Too bad that Teresa is already talking about her 2nd book deal.
      Hyperion publishers were owned by Disney-don’t know if they still are, but they have the kind-of deep-pockets that can pay a big advance.
      I saw somewhere that Bookscan reports Teresa as selling 26,000 copies, (I do NOT know if that is true, but it dosen’t sound impossible), second only to Bethenny in HW book sales.
      I would LOVE to see the show you mention Snarkella!
      My version has Joe & Teresa living in a, (used), trailor. Shopping with food-stamps, and really struggling to get by, like MOST people in their situation would be.
      Seeing Teresa deal with the REALITY of her financial situation in a humble way is something that I would watch, and I might even like her again.
      I like your idea Snarkella, of Teresa getting help with it from her friends.

      • One more thing about Teresa’s book deal(s), her Bravo salary was included in the bankrupcy filing, (broken-down @ $3,333. per month), but the book advance, and potential royalties, were left-out. I’m sure that Teresa was working-on the book while the bankrupcy was being processed, because she mentions in the book, or somewhere, how long she was working on it, and it coincides with the bankrupcy.
        Just for the record, another asset that was left-out.

  30. boston02127 says:

    There are 2 tweet here, one from Bethenny and one from Kelly. Sort of speaks for itself…..

    Bethenny tweeted:
    Ouch. was up all night w bryn&now I drive to QVC for a “skinnygirl dish” appearance.lots of concealer today! what r u up to?
    Kelly’s tweet:”
    i am wokring on my fall jewelry line which is sooooo HOT. we’ll see if QVC or HSn wants it

    I don’t know weather to laugh or cry at Kelly. (laugh)

  31. emt2 says:

    I’m not sure if Danielle should sue for defamation of character. That is very difficult to prove and Danielle’s past will not help matters.

    But, suing is an intriguing idea. It is clear that Bravo has instigated/approved of this physical attack/ online harassment of Danielle. Trashley is rewarded for attacking Danielle by being given her own blog. Teresa is rewarded for throwing a table at her last year and chasing her down this year.

    If I were Danielle I would seek legal repercussions for some members of the cast because while she is crazy, she isn’t violent. This would send a very strong message about violence on reality tv shows. I mean, if I had been Danielle and Ashley would have pulled my hair, my first instinct would have been to punch Ashley in the throat. I’m just being honest. Ashley would have been down for the count in less than 5 seconds had she touched me and I would have dared Bravo and anyone else to challenge me. Violence is wrong but if you have to protect yourself from a physical assault from one of your castmates and the crew continues to tape it, all decorum is thrown out of the window and I would do what I had to do to protect myself.

    But, then again, if I were Danielles’s age, I wouldn’t have even engaged with Ashley at all from the very beginning of the season.

    There are no good guys on this show.

    Lynn, you are right. Bravo sucks. Big time.

    I’m not looking forward to the Real Housewives of DC, to be honest. Desiree Rogers was asked to step down from her job as the social secretary because of the criticism she received for the White House party crashers (the Salahis). Rogers is punished, yet the Salahis are able to star in a reality TV show? That is complete bullshit to me. Complete and total. Welcome to America. And Andy’s response to rewarding the Salahis is equally appalling.

    Yeah, I think I’m done with Bravo for the next few months. It has become pure trash.

    • Ellabean says:

      I so agree EM2. I think the bad taste from the Jersey wives – and the news about the Salahis being allowed on the DC show – already has me hating the DC show. I already hate the Salahis. Bravo and the Salahi’s are going to try to “sell” us (the viewers) on “liking” them by allowing them to tell their side of the White House crashing story – and how they were just “innocent ” guests. Cough.

      • Yeah, & how they just happened to be innocently driving by the WH in a limo with a camera crew & were stopped by the Secret Service…apparently they were trying to crash another official function. Their excuse this time was that they were driving to a restaurant to meet up with friends. Yeah, right.

    • ShyAsrai says:

      it’s my understanding that the RHWofDC was already in filming phase and that the White House party crashing ocurred while the Salahis were being filmed.

      not so? egad. who can keep up with all of BRAVO’s machinations?

      PS: i’m a rubbernecker. yes, i am. to my eternal shame, i am one of those creatures who slows down around traffic accidents (and not just for the sake of safety) – and that leads me to having been a dedicated TV reality show watcher though i at least eschewed the ones showcasing horrid, out-of-control teenagers and young adults.

      but seriously, i think i’m on the cusp of reality show fatigue. to my distinct surprise i really feel like i’ve had my fill of them.

      i mean seriously, now. how many iterations can there be of a single subject?

      1) i’ve seen just too, too many labors & deliveries by this time. it even seems that at least one tv and movie character per show or movie also must be shown to give birth “pant pant greeeeeeeeeeeeuuughhhh”. wow, such ‘acting chops’. seriously, i didn’t even like being present at the delivery of my own punks! and there’s even a show on ‘should i get an abortion or not’ wherein the audience votes (a’ la IDOL voting)! good gravy, is nothing private/sacred?

      2) soft porn invading EVERY corner of EVERY show, ‘real’ or not, on Disney channels or not.

      3) the continuing escalation of the number of ‘naughty words’ deemed acceptable for use on the airways. i think it started with the crude expression ‘suck’: you suck, i suck, that sucked.. that was the toe in the water and now it’s escalated to douche, g-damn, ass, bitch etc etc. seems like the only two that have not gained acceptance for casual viewing so far are C**T and F**K. (i suppose i ought to just give it a minute)

      4) crude and vulgar innuendo invading even designated kids’ shows and movies.

      5) all the ‘contest’ shows: i keep thinking the saturation point has been reached but i am always wrong. ha! here’s another contest: how many fingers and toes do you need to count just the number of cooking contests currently on TV or in the pipeline?

      6) someone PLEASE explain to me why at least one of three judges of American entertainer-wannabe contests must always be British? and why there must always be the ‘mean judge’. what a tired formula.

      7) i can’t even enjoy my beloved nature shows any more: i’m always hit over the head by my apparently cavalier and immoral use of gasoline, A/C and toilet paper which is destroying Mother Earth as we speak! Never mind the very TV upon which I view these dire warnings is itself made from oil by-products, intoned by someone who drove to the studio and recorded said dire pronouncement (written by someone NOT living in a mud daub hut ‘off the grid’) in an air-conditioned studio using equipment ALL made of plastics and electronics and sent across the airwaves or cable using equipment ALL made of oil by-products… name one single phase or worker of any TV/Movie production that doesn’t use products derived from Mother Earth from beginning to end (and in greater excess than i could ever dream of)??

      Can someone PLEASE just show me the beauty of the natural world? because I GET IT ALREADY! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, JUST SHOW ME THAT BEAUTIFUL FOREST/FISH/MAMMAL/CAVE/BIRD!!! and to add to my fury on this subject, the series Life was narrated by Oprah, which made it, for me, unwatchable (i don’t care what anyone thinks, her voice has always turned me off, never mind the audacity of someone with HER ‘carbon footprint’ narrating such a subject.)

      and that’s another thing. i’m SICK TO DEATH of being lectured by the worst, most egregious eco-offenders on my audacity in ‘raping Mother Earth’ to support my little bitty life.

      meh. thanks for the vent. i must be kellamitized by all this ‘reality’.

      • BamaBelle says:

        Great Post, ShyAsrai!

      • anniieee says:

        God, Ashyr….Well said… I think I want you walking around and being my mouthpiece…that was wonderful!! I always “feel” it, but you articulated my feelings perfectly!

    • BamaBelle says:

      Emt2… I agree with you on everything except the social secretary…

      It was on Desiree Rogers “watch” that the Salahis crashed a White House party. She should of been fired. It was her job to make sure nothing like that NEVER, EVER happens. Lucky for her that The Salahis’ weren’t terriorst! She absolutely should of been fired.

      I have mixed feelings on the “Party Crashers”… how did they get in? Somebody had to have sent them some kind of invitation. How would they have even known there was a party that night, what time it started, where to enter? I will watch to see how all that came about. The FBI has their names… they’ve been questioned… why weren’t they arrested?

      • emt2 says:

        I realize that it was her fault but all parties should be punished, no? Or at least held accountable? The Salahis shouldn’t be rewarded for being party crashers because it gives people ideas to do more sinister things. I just feel like Ms. Rogers made a gaffe and should have been reprimanded but not fired. Or maybe she should have been fired.

        But, certainly not because of these Bravo losers. Andy and Bravo were interviewed by the FBI, CIA and Congress, for Pete’s sake. Yet!, the couple still gets to be apart of the show? Doesn’t make sense to me. Not one bit.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I can tell you that I think the whole Salahi thing is so vile, I have no intention of watching that franchise and any WWHL involving it.

  32. TLM says:

    Two things… I just saw a commercial that said NBC will start airing the Real Housewives series weekdays this fall (no time slot given). It looks like they are taking all the series that are already done and re-airing them. The RH is the franchise that just keeps on giving for NBC. I’m sure Slade will be thrilled that the whole Slade-Jo thing is going to be replayed and give him exposure to an audience other than gay men and the the women who want to date them. LOL. (Sorry, I can’t claim credit for that last line, which was from Kathy Griffin).

    The other comment I had is on the Bethenny People magazine article, which I thought was not the shocker is was built up to be. If you’ve been a B fan and followed her all along, there really wasn’t that much that was new revealed. I learned that her mother and John Parisella have been divorced 20 years, but they didn’t say where her mother or Parisella are now or what either of them is doing, nor how many other men her mother married (B had said “many, many times” on BGM). A photo of B with Parisella and her mother was included in the article.

    B is very good at marketing, and really I think this article is the start of promotion for A Place of Yes. On every interview she’s done that included the article, she has been using the phrase “don’t wear your story, just tell your story.” The phrase, “don’t wear your story” is part of her book, as was shown in BGM when she was reading through edits to her publisher. It reminds me of when B kept using the phrase that she “wanted to democratize health” when she was coming out with her first book. What is strange to me is that it always sounded like B has “worn her story” since the beginning of the RH series. She told anyone who would listen that she was a tortured soul, and why. I remember when she told people at Unexpected Mexico that she was “fighting for her life.” I thought that was a ridiculous exaggeration that would turn people off in a big way, whether it was potential friends, dates or business associates.
    People with cancer are fighting for their lives. People trying to get a business off the ground are struggling but not fighting for their lives.

    I was surprised to realize that the friend named Jake who went with her to Rosie Pope and who she introduced as her friend was actually in Season 1 as a business associate that she partnered with. Maybe they were friends first, who knows. Just surprised me.

    Nate Berkus is going to have a new show on NBC as well, which I think should be good. It will start in the fall. http://www.businessofcinema.com/news.php?newsid=15379

    And Bristol Palin’s getting married? Will we see a “Bristol Getting Married?” show on another channel?!?? http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/07/14/2010-07-14_bristol_palin_daughter_of_exalaska_governor_sarah_palin_is_engaged_to_levi_johns.html. I say if Trista & Ryan could get paid $1 million for their wedding, these two should try and negotiate a deal, even if it just airs on MTV, the CW, or E! Network.

    • emt2 says:

      I agree about B’s marketing soundbites. I still like her but I do think she has either exaggerated aspects of her life or has “played the victim” even while saying that she doesn’t play the victim. It’s all good because I do respect her hustle and game plan. But I don’t think she was “fighting for her life” last year and that she couldn’t pay her rent (maybe she didn’t have enough to buy her apartment but she certainly wasn’t about to be homeless on the street). She exaggerates a lot and she uses very dramatic language so I take some things she says with a grain of salt. She tried to be an actress in Hollywood in her 20s, for Pete’s sake. lol

      I read last year that she had come up with her Skinny Girl Dish with the help of a friend who was a dieticen but who ended up getting cut out of the deal by Bethenny. I’m trying to find the article. Anyone else heard about this?

      • TLM says:

        Haven’t heard about a friend who was shafted by B, and I think I’ve read almost everything out there on the Net about her…but who knows.

        I do believe everything she says about abuse. The abuse she talks about is living in a very unstable household, being neglected, and having unstable parents, which is pretty much undisputed, as is her father’s rejection of her from a very young age. She is bold and able to talk to anyone, which is what you’d expect from a kid who moved so many times. You have to develop that ability to survive. And then there are obvious things she says that are metaphors, like that she was “raised in a cave by animals” and similar comments.

        Bethenny had to develop a thick skin, as has Martha Stewart, another entrepreneur. Martha has been an inspiration to many, including Bethenny and the Fabulous Beekman Boys, but you can see that even if the business’ image is soft, it takes a tough person behind the business to make it work, as we see in Martha, Bethenny and Brent.

        I am sure Martha’s background is less than perfect, but part of her branding is that she doesn’t put that out there. She tries to maintain at all times the image of genteel perfection. Bethenny is the opposite — she knew she had a troubled past, and decided to put it all out there, knowing many other women could relate to that. The image Martha puts out is the perfect one we’d all like to imagine to have, but which doesn’t really exist for anyone. Martha once said of her magazines that she knew women might never make the perfect cakes she always put in there, but they would buy the magazine to see them nonetheless. She was definitely onto something there. Martha’s marketing is based on what women aspire to, where Bethenny’s is based on what’s practical and what any woman can do.

        The story about B’s rent is a more puzzling one. Yes, we knew she got freebies from Ginny Hilfiger and probably deep discounts from Jennifer Miller jewelry, but she wore all kinds of other expensive clothing and always seemed to have Christian Louboutins on and expensive bags on her arm. How did she do that? Did she pay 100% to have her hair done at Francky, or get a discount because she plugged him on the show? And did she switch to Loft 26 for the discount there? Yes, she says she shops on Ebay all the time, but the things she gets there and on designerapparel.com are still not cheap (and I wonder now if she got paid for plugging designerapparel.com). Supposedly in A Place of Yes, she talks about money issues, and hopefully she will shed some light on what she was paying for and what was given for free or at a discount. I would bet that many things are free or deeply discounted.

        • You can find all kinds of expensive stuff for pennies on the dollar if you know where to look. A friend of mine once had her client put on the stand in an effort to prove she could pay court costs after she filed an affidavit stating she couldn’t. It was funny watching the other attorney’s face slowly sink as each question about her fancy clothes, shoes, jewelry & purses was answered with “I buy all my stuff at garage sales. I look in the paper for them & if the address is right, I’ll go & see what they have. Oh! and you can get the BEST STUFF at sales held by doctors’ & attorneys’ wives! Sometimes the tags are still on the dresses!”

  33. Night Light says:

    Love you Lynn and I agree you are on the money on just about everything except Albie. I haven’t been watching the show but I do see and read everything else. I just refuse to give this shitty show any ratings.
    Now, the reason I “could” disagree with you (I say could because they really haven’t provided which learning disability Albie has) is my own history with my two boys with dyslexia. I picked up on it early on with my oldest before he went to school and they would not provide ANY assistance or testing with the excuse that it could be developmental. Long story short a couple of years later after much research I found an institution that did test him and I brought them to the school and held a meeting w/principal, counselor, teacher and dyslexia teacher. I have had to fight EVERY step of the way to provide them with assistance and I am happy to report my oldest son graduates next fall from high school with honors in top 5% of his class. I can relate to this story line and I cried to see Caroline push Albie because I have had to do the same thing. (I am tearing up right now) I just dont think they are providing enough information on his struggle since they focus the show more on the lunatics for ratings and for that reason I stopped watching.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Depending where you live (state), what school district you are in, what services that district has available, etc – bottomline you will likely have to fight for your child to get tested regarding learning disabilities. IF tests indicate there is a disability, by law (in Illinois) that child will get services either in district or in a district that has the staff trained to teach to that child’s IEP (Individual Education Plan).
      If Caroline didn’t get Albie help in junior high that is her failing to help her child. Albie was accepted at Seton Hall as a day student (he didn’t have the GPA to get in nor did he take the LSAT). He failed to perform to the standard that was set for him by the school! This family looks for ways around the rules and does so proudly….Albie will get into another law school, whether he can actually graduate will be a different story.
      As an advocate for all children and their being educated to the best of their abilities – a parent has to be the strongest advocate and a partner with the teachers every step of the way! Many students with all kinds of disabilities go on to great academic achievement – more importantly, they will have the tools for a productive life!!!
      @Nightlight – be very proud that you were there and never gave up. I agree we do not have the details of Albie’s situation but I think we would have heard of ALL THE HELP Caroline got for him during the critical years of middle and high school if there had been any. Also, they live in an affluent community that likely has the resources to provide the services he needed. And while I wish Albie success in reaching his goals, I am not convinced I should feel sorry for him.

      • Night Light says:

        That’s why I said “could” disagree because there are so many view points that I am not so narrow minded as to say I am correct. Case in point, the Manzo family is affluent enough where he should of been provided out-side help. It is very expensive but they have the resources. I had to pay for it myself while going through a divorce from their father who didn’t see the use in it and fought it. I am above everything else, a very determined mother and I did provide these resources for both my boys. The state (Texas) did provide assistance but not till the 3rd grade and I was not about to wait around for my son to get further behind so I paid for two year; every penny that I got for child support went to get him help. I went through training of my own to help him at home and I went without many things happily and not letting them know. This is a little too close to home for me and I wish anyone going through this all the luck in the world.
        As a mother, I guess that’s why I find this show so offensive to sell your family out for 15 minutes.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Bless you @Nightlight – you rock and I know how hard you worked for your son.

        • boston02127 says:

          @Night Light–You’re boy’s are lucky to have you for a mom.

        • Just done says:

          OK, just my two cents. I live in NJ (and we are not all like these women) and I have a son with a learning disability. In NJ, it is mandated that the child be tested to determine the disability, the level of disability, etc. The Child Study Team meets and develops an IEP. This IEP sets goals for the child for the year.

          Now, the state is only “obligated” until the child reaches either 18 or 21, and the services are more easily accessible in public institutions (I had one private institution tell me they couldn’t take my child, they didn’t have the resources and he only has ADD). We know that Albie is older than 21, so exactly where is Seton Hall at fault here?

          I’m an advocate for special needs kids, but I, like many of you think that Albie spent too much time filming and partying.

  34. Olivia says:

    There is no such thing as “shame” anymore. Case in point: the former governor of NY state is now signed to host his own tv show after being caught soliciting prostitutes while the woman who was identified as one of his “dates” is now doing an “advice” column for a NY tabloid.

    The women who “dated” Tiger Woods while he was married all came out of the woodwork to exploit this fact then demanded “apologies” from him regardless of the fact that he was a married man. The woman who gave birth to a former candidate for president sought out her 15 minutes of fame by posing for photographers and being interviewed by Oprah. The wife of the candidate then went on to write her own version of events and appeared all over t.v. spelling out in detail the wrongs that were done to her.

    A trio of untalented, foul mouthed sisters in CA have been awarded a place on t.v. because of a sex tape made by one of the sisters that hit the internet and are currently raking in the big bucks by exposing most of their body parts for public consumption.

    Lies and sexual misconduct can buy you into the big leagues as long as you have a savvy agent willing to sell your soul for the chance to become famous. Jon and Kate have no compunction in declaring their private lives open to all who wish to indulge in their antics as their kids become nothing more than props .

    No one seems to be too concerned about the effect these revelations have on their children. Danielle, Theresa, Kelly, Jacqueline and a host of these “reality” stars have put their parenting aside in order to justify their particular moment in the sun. The ignorance of these people who appear before a camera in pursuit of baring all is breathtaking. Case in point: the new crowd being filmed in DC.

    The latest shameless exhibit surrounds a megastar and his ex girlfriend who are in the midst of a custody battle that should remain between the parties involved but instead has been revealed to the world with hourly updates on the latest explosive, obscene ridden tapes while their children are part of the background.

    Welcome to the world of “Bread and Circus” where integrity, dignity, and common decency remains AWOL and the price of “fame” has no boundaries.

    • Ellabean says:

      Wow. Perfect, Olivia.

    • quincyillinois says:

      The Roman Empire rises againg in New Jersey I imagine that the entire cast has ancient genes from the people who fed the Christians to the lions.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Nicely said – we are given too much information but never enough facts!

    • anniieee says:

      It is turning into a pretty shitty world we are living in. That is the bottom line…no one has shame anymore…shame–it has become an outdated world…for shame on us. You said it best Olivia.

  35. Ellabean says:

    Oh my Gawd – is this another example – of Kelly “Single White Female” copying all things Bethenney ?:

    Boston posted a bit upthread. (great catch Boston!) :

    Bethenny tweeted:
    Ouch. was up all night w bryn&now I drive to QVC for a “skinnygirl dish” appearance.lots of concealer today! what r u up to?
    Kelly’s tweet:”
    i am wokring on my fall jewelry line which is sooooo HOT. we’ll see if QVC or HSn wants it

    GEEBUS ! How close in time were these tweets ? Is Kelly stalking Bethenney ? Kelly is getting creepier by the day. Of course QVC & HSN are marketing tools for alot of celebs – – but, come on, as soon as Bethenney mentions her gig with them – – then Kelly seizes upon the idea too ? This is just getting weirder and weirder.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I don’t think QVC or HSN wants pigeon feather bracelets.

      • Ellabean says:

        Hah !

      • jezzibel says:

        I don’t think anyone wants pigeon feather earrings and bracelets

      • Adios Lunatic says:

        Betsey Johnson did a line a year ago with all of the feather garbage and it didn’t sell. It all reminds me of the 80’s when wearing all of that was cool. Blech!

        • quincyillinois says:

          Did Kelly invent feather jewelry before or after Bethenny wore the black feather dress to the vow renewal ceremony?

  36. Ellabean says:

    Segueway-ing from my Bethenny/ Kelly post above….I just had a funny thought:

    Bethenny should call Kelly’s bluff and tweet or let it slip to Kelly in some manner – her next project/ marketing idea. And it should be something bizarre and see if Kelly jumps on it like:

    Bethenney tweets:
    Will be working on my “dog sweater” line for Spring ’11. Can’t wait.

    Here’s another make believe one. I’m having fun fantasizing about driving Kelly nuts:

    Bethenney tweets:
    Just completed my Skinny Girl dried food meals for NASA Space program.

    I would just die of laughter to then read that Kelly is trying to make animal clothes and selling food ideas to the government.

  37. Olivia says:

    Someone explain the meaning of Theresa and Joe hanging out in their “still under construction” pizza parlor as he made pies and she was making sexual references? Was this to show that Forger Joe was back on his feet and plowing ahead in another effort to support his greedy wife and whiny kids? A “rehabilitation” move on the part of Bravo to shore up Forger Joe’s creds before he gets hauled off to Sing Sing?

    They must take us for complete fools that allowing these two refugees from Alley Oop are actually on the level rather than the frauds they are. Was this latest venture into the Guidice Empire being financed by that mysterious $10,000 paid each month to them by “family members”? Who does that? Meanwhile, we all know that the banking industry is holding up much of the economic recovery by refusing to loan money to small businesses and have not exactly been helpful in assisting home owners whose mortgages are slowly strangling them to death by refusing to rewrite existing loans.

    So how do these two frauds explain this enterprise when the rest of the country is barely holding itself together and they have already been declared deadbeats?

    Nothing would please me more than to see this family residing in a three story tenement in Paterson, NJ, cutting coupons, and shopping at Salvation Army stores for those kids they have turned into spoiled brats. My idea of justice.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Here’s a game: What will those statements at the end of the season say…..

      Teresa: “Writing another cookbook…on jailhouse cusine and fashion.”
      Ashley: “Modeling tips for aspiring criminals”
      Jacq: “Parenting for Dummies”

    • quincyillinois says:

      Money from extended family connections? I think family is helping…..a lot.

      • Squirrels says:

        Yeah…. but ‘what’ family? Blood relatives or those guys you call Uncle, but have a different type of blood connection?

        • quincyillinois says:

          I’m thinking both….

          My dad was member of the Operating Engineers in Chicago. There was a man/uncle there for his pay week contribution. That free money has to go somewhere.

    • viki55 says:

      There is seem to be a few flaws in this circular thinking and silly assumptions that ruin the argument but if it works for you that’s all that matters;)

      • quincyillinois says:

        I reread the arugument. Olivia is an excellent writer. I don’t see the flaws in her post.

    • well said, Olivia. I am blown away by the level of intelligence on this site.

    • BamaBelle says:

      Olivia, I was wondering the same thing? I saw the video on the Bravo website that Lynn gave ua a link to.

      When was this video made? Joe was working on opening a Pizza Restuarant and an apartment complex, which seemed big. Joe evened joked that they may live their and Teresa came un-glued like he was serious! She honestly thinks she’s too good for apartment living and said “NO” to working in the restuarant!

      You’ve got to be kidding me! Please tell me this was a while ago and it’s included in the 11 million debt. Please tell me that Joe and Teresa didn’t just bankrupt on millions and turned around and bought a restuarant, apartment building and have the money to re-model all of it? How can this be? How can they have credit for all this after bankuptcy? How can they buy all that with a 79,000 yearly income?… HOW!

      • BamaBelle says:

        Lord Have Mercy!… Please forgive all those spelling and grammer mistakes in my post… I didn’t proof read it!

        I still hope somebody can answer my question about Joe and Teresa!

  38. Olivia says:

    Knowing I may differ here from most opinions, but I am hoping that Bethenny decides to forgo another season of her own series. She seems to have found her niche with her business, her husband, and her new baby. The last thing she needs is the intrusion of “reality tv” into her life.

    As we have seen from other series, these people become much too enamored of watching themselves “perform” and the toll it has taken on relationships. My wish is to continue to enjoy Bethenny but I fear that too much exposure will turn her into just another casualty of this absurd notion to film each and every move and mood in order to satisfy the hunger to achieve “fame”.

    Too easy to go off the rails in this milieu.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Bethenny won’t return to RHONY – she isn’t stupid and being in the place of YES and motherhood. She is Bravo gold and she will be picking projects that fit her goals. IMO watching her sit through that last reunion was painful – she was done with that show, the drama and the lies. And honestly – I enjoy watching her be herself in her own world!

    • Ellabean says:

      I think that’s a very understandable concern, Olivia. Many here are fond of Beth and worry about her taking the reality TV thing too far . Agreed. I hope she knows “when to fold ’em” (Kenny Rogers’- The Gambler song).

      One more point to that end. She should and will have to draw the line about having little Bryn filmed. Bethenney cannot use her like the tawdry Gosselins have used their kids. I want to believe that Jason and Beth will draw that line.

      • Olivia says:

        Then the question would be: what are we tuning in for? Just watching her “spar” with Jason, Julie and Max is not high quality entertainment. Perhaps these “reality” shows have run their string. Much of Bethenny’s appeal is her ability to “snark”. Too much of that at repeated sittings may drive the audience away.

        I like Bethenny but am not sure of weekly offerings as she carries this show alone without the presence of other castmates and it may be a little too much. I would urge her to back away from this venture and pursue her interests outside the glare of cameras. She has become fairly successful at this point without having to resort to 15 weeks of nonstop kvetching is all I am saying. And this is what will be expected of her of Bravo has its way.

        • Squirrels says:

          Hell. She could retire and live in St. Tropez at this point.

        • kats2 says:

          I hope she returns to her own show only. It doens’t have to be about the marriage. Actually I hope they focus more on the building of the B Brands and business. Given her line of work and branding she can’t pass on this show, it’s too good of a platform for anyone who wants to come out with new products. I still want the family scenes but it doesn’t have to be the main thrust of the show.

          • TLM says:

            I think after BGM her best move would be a cooking and/or lifestyle show on Food Network or NBC. The Housewives/Marriage storyline after this would be a distraction from her businesses.

      • ShyAsrai says:

        i just can’t believe that either Jason or Bethenny would do anything other than generally keep Bryn out of the public eye except for meticulously scripted opportunities like the People cover or the occasional approved photo here or there.

        i believe Bethenny when she talks about the pure good energy of her baby and wanting to keep it that way. i think she has a very good handle on what happens when you choose to swim with sharks; even someone with a hard, protective shell can get mauled!

        i can just imagine how stunned and astounded is Bethenny by the purity of the energy that surrounds this new innocent life. Bethenny – who was herself forced to swim with sharks her entire life starting in her own babyhood – would probably tear any ‘shark’ into bloody gobbets of flesh with a single incisor if any were so bold as to invade or disturb the serenity she and jason are creating to surround Bryn!

    • Squirrels says:

      I wouldn’t doubt that Jason isn’t too keen on continuing the cameras, but as was mentioned on another thread, when the HW’s leave, they simply disappear. Case in point, the Atlanta clothing lines. Are they even still in production?

      • Ellabean says:

        Oh my gawd. The Atlanta clothing lines.

        For my money – before Kelly B’ s ridiculous business venture attempts – those were just the most laughable.

        She By Sheree’:
        she doesnt sketch
        she doesnt sew
        she doesnt design
        she doesnt drape, make pattersn, or purchase fabric.

        What does she do?
        Oh she likes to wear clothes.

        I like to eat. Does that make me a top chef?

        • Squirrels says:

          Apparently so by Bravo standards, lolol.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          You are a COOK not a CHEF, gotta see your resume!

        • BamaBelle says:

          And–She didn’t wear a “She By Sheree” design to the reunion show, either. Sheree worn another designer. I would think she would of been smart enough to wear something from her own line… nevermind… LOL!

      • quincyillinois says:

        Were the Atlanta clothing lines ever in production? Sheree didn’t wear her own clothes to the reunion.

        • Ellabean says:

          NEVER. Laat I heard Sheree finally abondoned the idea…..she probably ran out of silly money to chase after this ridiculous dream. I think her lawyer was suing her for uncollected fees for her divorce. Why does $92K stick in my mind?

          Oh – and what about the infamous fashion “viewing” – with no fashions.

          I am opening a restaurant with no food. Just decor and me.

        • BamaBelle says:

          I should of read further before asking the same thing… sorry!

    • emt2 says:

      I agree but I doubt that B will step away from her own show. She’s wanted her own show for a long time and she enjoys being in the spotlight. I don’t think she will back off unless she is asked to because of poor ratings.

      I don’t really want to watch B every week to see what situations she gets herself into with Jason. She’s fun but only when she is interacting with other people who aren’t in love with her/being paid by her. I don’t know. We’ll see what happens but I guarantee that B will not leave her show voluntarily.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        She seeded a willingness for a second season on WWHL. IMO she is smart enough to hedge her bets – if she feels she does not have enough material to carry a second season then she won’t do one. She also threw out there being just a commentary talking head on RHONY since she knows the current cast.
        As Bryn gets older, B will want to spend more time with her and we will likely see less of her on TV (which disrupts their household more so than her other business ventures).
        Call me silly, but I am just glad we got to share some of her crazy life and see her dreams come true!

        • emt2 says:

          I’ve enjoyed sharing her life, too! It’s actually really inspiring.

        • Char212 says:

          I would like to see Bethanny on the food network. As far as I know the food network doesn’t have one single show that it’s soul purpose is how to cook healthy. I love Paula Dean but my arteries clog up just watching her shows 🙂

          • BamaBelle says:

            There is a show on Food Network with only healthy cooking, but I can’t remember the name… it’s boring… LOL!

        • ShyAsrai says:

          i think Bethenny would be a great replacement for Lame & Nasty Juvenile Andy. that and/or being the official talking head for all the RH shows..

          i’d tune in just to hear HER commentary.

      • quincyillinois says:

        It’s B’s life. I bet she has more control that any other reality tv star.

    • Wallflower says:

      Oh, Olivia, you made me rethink my position, darn you!!! 🙂

      When I first read your comment, my reaction was “hell no, she has to do a second season!” After thinking about it for a bit, I think you’ve made a good point. Bethenny’s life has changed dramatically this year (and I’ve enjoyed watching every minute shown!). Unless she can swing a second season without jeopardizing everything she has gained, she should step away.

      (….off to pat myself on the back for putting her happiness ahead of my own selfish desire to live vicariously through reality television….)

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Hi Olivia:

      I enjoy your posts.

      I saw an interview with Bethenny, and, for the life of me, I can’t find which one cuz I would like to link it here, but Bethenny said what she would like for her future is some type of talk show where she can interact with women whom she feels is her target audience. She knows women identify with her, and I think she enjoys helping other women to cope with what she has and is coping with in her life. D—, wish I could remember where I saw this cuz it is better and more accurate coming from her not from my paraphrase which with my memory is not as accurate.

  39. Ellabean says:

    I think Kelly Bensimon and Lynn Curtin (OC wives) should unite.

    They could spend their time hot glue-ing stupid shit onto cuffs and feathers.

    Or glue feathers onto cuffs.

    And use their Mensa skills to solve world problems while they sit and glue.

  40. scorpiosue1102 says:

    Even though it has been mentioned that Danielle could or should sue Bravo I have a feeling that the contract that they sign is pretty iron clad where Bravo could not be sued for anything said or done by the ladies.

    • Squirrels says:

      I suspect all that goes out the door once violence ensues and producers do nothing to stop it. I cannot believe a judge would look at the situation and say, “Oh here it is, cannot sue Bravo for any reason. Works for me. Sorry lady, it’s here in black and white. That kid could have beaten the shit out of you. Short of murder, you are out of luck. Of course, then you’d really be out of luck. Court adjourned.”

      • scorpiosue1102 says:

        I’m not saying that it’s right morally, ethically, or anything of the sort, but I cannot see Bravo having a contract with those types of clauses not being in there. Unfortunately, there has been violence on other reality shows i.e. Real World, Road Rules vs. Real World. Though they showed the violence and then they asked the person who threw the punch to leave. No lawsuits ever came of it.

        On the flipside, Top Chef did have on season 2 where Cliff held down Marcel and wanted to shave his head. Even though it did not happen Cliff was asked to leave the competition. So I don’t know if it has to do with the producers i.e. Magical Elves as compared to Shedd Media. Top Chef did not tolerate what happened. So why did RHONJ accept it? Ashley should not be on the show at the very least.

        • BamaBelle says:

          That’s right, scorpiosue!

          Cliff was asked to leave Top Chef because he held Marcel down… in other words-he put his hands on Marcel and Bravo has a “no tolerance policy” as to violence, at least that’s what we were lead to believe.

          So… Ashley should be banned from the show for pulling Danielle’s hair, from behind, with vengence! Why isn’t she? She even went to court for it and was found guilty… why is she still on the show?

      • quincyillinois says:

        You can sue for any thing anytime. You can sue without a lawyer too. There are frivolous lawsuits everywhere.

        It bothered me that Danielle kept saying that the women wanted to kill her this season. I thnk she went off the deep end in the last days of Season One.

        Kelly did the same thing in NYC and Jill is playing with fire when she criticizes Kelly non stop. Kelly is going to turn on Jill. She won’t have Bethenny and she will need to focus her anger on someone.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Bravo probably protects itself from cast lawsuits but I doubt there is any protection for castmates vs castmates in legal battles. Does anyone know if Bravo got sued by the country club?
      As Danielle goes after T&A (how appropriate is that!?) it will be interesting to see if Bravo plays into it. IMO Danielle has assault and battery in the bag with film footage. As for character defimation Ashley’s twittering, facebooking assine antics could also work for Danielle – because in the court of law – Ashley is legally an adult, her maturity level doesn’t matter! Punitive damages will likely get tossed out – besides those thugettes are all broke anyway.

      • BamaBelle says:

        After Ashley was found guilty, why wasn’t she told to stay away from Danielle? I would think after you assault someone-wouldn’t you be warned by the judge NOT to have contact with that person anymore? Ashley is an IDIOT for continuing her attacks on Danielle via FB and Twitter… it makes her look obsessed with Danielle.

        Ashley did tell her boyfriend that she wants everybody to hate Danielle as much as she does, and she has way more people on side. Even her boyfriend told her to stop and told her if she did ANYTHING to Danielle she would be arrested… Ashley just shrugged her shoulders!

        If it’s true that Ashley works for a store that Danielle patronizes… then, reveals her business while shopping there… I imagine that’s another lawsuit waiting to happen!

    • MAMAZ says:

      I’m not a lawyer but I doubt if an employer can make you waive your right to sue someone for causing you physical harm.
      But I also don’t think Danielle has a case. She can and did have Ashley Holmes arrested for assault. Yes, Theresa instigated an argument with Danielle but it’s not against the law to call someone a bitch as far as I know. Danielle joined in the fray talking trash about Theresa’s financial problems. She could have just said good night and walked away. If Theresa had continued the argument she MIGHT have something .And it was just an argument, Theresa never threatened her verbally or physically . Neither did Jacq. As much as I dislike “those woman” I can’t see how you can sue someone for yelling at you even if it is in public.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        When Teresa leaped to her feet and started her bopping and weaving – that was the invitation to get physical – intent was shown for assault. Danielle isn’t a saint but she clearly didn’t start this display. Teresa was verbally and physically first to escalate. Ashley’s comments clearly show her mother’s safety never entered into her attack on Danielle. And footage will likely confirm that Jackass was never physically near enough to Danielle during or after the dash for the doors. Whatever Ashley said in the first courtroom round could now also open her up to false testimony, perjury, etc.

        • iwannabeanarchy says:

          I agree with you about Teresa. Teresa’s actions (getting up to scream at Danielle, bopping and weaving aggressively, not to mention chasing Danielle out of the country club) could be enough to cause a reasonable person to fear harmful or offensive physical contact – which is need to show assault in tort law. Also, the footage from last season of Teresa flipping the table in response to “Pay attention, puh-lease,” would also be compelling and would further substantiate Danielle’s claim of assault to show why Danielle would fear Teresa physically to begin with.

        • BamaBelle says:

          AND— Tereas stood in front of Kim G.’s car REFUSING to move until Danielle got out of the car… that was also an invitation to fight her.

          If Danielle had been waiting on Teresa or Jacqueline in the hall and started the whole thing-then ripped ashley’s hair out… OMG… you know they would DEMAND Danielle be arrested right then and there, and THEY would certainly sue Danielle!

      • Squirrels says:

        She might want to consider a “conspiracy theory” approach. Co-conspirators to destroy her mental/physical health.

        I should ask Kelly.

  41. WindyCityWondering says:

    After reading comments from last night and today, I am wondering. While I believe Bravo sets stages/scenes in all the HW franchises – isn’t it up to the individual cast members to fill them/perform/entertain? Bravo engineered or gave the casts platforms to perform on – the modeling at Fashionweek, the vacation in SJVI, the CC fashion show – how the cast performs really comes down to who they are in real life. NJ is the bottom of the barrel castwise. They are what they are! I will give them credit for being real – I just don’t find their real enjoyable or entertaining.

    Last night I watched Deadliest Catch – the end of Capt. Phil’s life was brutally real and the reactions of all the other captains, crew members and his sons were honest. I also watched After the Catch, where Capt. Phil’s life was celebrated. He was a real person, he lived a real life and he will be missed by many – family, friends and fans. I will continue to watch this series and I will miss Capt. Phil every show.

    So while there are all kinds of Reality Shows – we as viewers make the decision on which ones we want to watch.

    • Snarkella says:

      I agree WindyCityWondering. But a show about housewives living in interesting cities is a great idea. But Bravo is not realizing the potential of this idea. (Although I actually think the New York franchise is pretty darned good. Even with the Jill and Kelly drama, it gives us a glimpse into the the kinds of events NY housewives take part in.)

      I don’t want to stop watching these shows. I just want Bravo to do a better job at giving us something interesting to watch. I don’t want to watch cheesy-Jerry-Springer-type-staged-fights. Bravo can do better than that. Wake up Bravo, you assh_les!

      • MAMAZ says:

        Yes, Windy I think you you’re right. I believe Bravo is coaching the Kim’s and the regular cast on how to create more drama. But they have to flesh out the program, write their own lines and determine their own actions.
        So while I think Andy Cohen and Bravo are reprehensible everyone is responsible.
        Caroline pretends she’s above it all but beams and chuckles every time someone like Kim D and her gross BF call Danielle a pig. She knows by now what this show is about. If she was really above it she could leave like her sister Dina did.
        Theresa doesn’t have to play the tacky mobsters wife. (She dresses and talks just like Michelle Pieffer in Married to the Mob.) She’d rather be known as the woman who flipped the table than not be known outside of Franklin Lakes.
        Jacq played the sweet dim housewife on the first season. Then she caught on that she would be more popular if she played the bitchy dim housewife. It worked for Theresa, right?
        Ashley, like the Kim’s just wants to be on camera, whatever it takes!
        Danielle is more than willing to play her brand of crazy out in a public forum to get the attention to pay for all the cosmetic surgery, and slutty clothes she needs to find men to take care of her. That was the running theme of season 1, remember?
        The husbands don’t give a crap how their wives appear as long as they bring home the paycheck.
        And we the viewers, myself included, don’t really seem to care about the possible danger and life long repercussions these people may face as long as they entertain us.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        yesssss, the city is another cast member! I love seeing NYC it is a vibrant, interesting venue!
        Wayne, NJ not at all. Gaudy homes, fashionistas from the 80s, fancy gas guzzlers tooling down freeways, strip mall boutiques, and bratty, entitled, uneducated children -boring, boring, boring!
        Bravo could do a show in Chicago, ladies from affluent suburbs but shot in the city – which is a beautiful backdrop.

      • I agree with you,Snarkella. But I often think that Bravo is now sorry about the cast they picked for New Jersey. I bet if they could start over again they would.

        • Ellabean says:

          Snarkella – You’ve got something there. In fact, I’ve read that New York City was considered the “5th” lady on the Sex and The City.

          Regarding location and backdrop – of course Manhattan and the Hamptons have been wonderful eye candy backdrops for the NY wives. I LOVED when Bethenney and Ramona went walking over the Brooklyn Bridge this season. Love that bridge and I see it often – such a historical landmark.

          As for the OC wives, I even loved the views of the Pacific Ocean when they went to certain restaurants. I loved seeing Vicki and Jeanna’s patios and pool set ups. Loved seeing the Del Mar racetrack. Although not my cup of tea – it was even interesting to see Vicki and her gang at “the river” (Lake Havasu, Nv). Then the San Fran trip – but they could have showcased some more interesting sites there.

          As for Atlanta ? One generic McMansion in foreclosure too many for me. Hey – they never even went anywhere as a group, a getaway. Wasn’t it in the budget? Maybe Bravo spent too much money after renting homes for NeNe and whats her name in season 2. Seriously – maybe Bravo really used up the potential viewer glamour scene trip budget

          Of course – Chicago would be great. DC just may have some good visuals too.

          Just like the old real estate adage: Location – Location. Is a MUST for a successful Houswife franchise.

    • viki55 says:

      I watched it also. I cried even more than I cried at Bethenny’s wedding. It is truely a reality show. Makes the housewives stuff seem like such nonsence but I guess it is entertainment in a different way.

    • Jules says:

      Windy, I cried last night. Phil was simply a lovable character,, and it breaks my heart he won’t be on the show anymore. He is one person that will be impossible to replace. Charisma like that doesn’t come around often.

  42. Olivia says:

    What is amazing are the comments accompanying this weeks blog coverage of the NJ mess. So many see no wrong with Theresa, Jacqueline or Trashley for their outrageous behavior. They feel that Danielle “had it coming”. The idea of bullying another person, regardless of who they are, has yet to enter into their mindset.

    Aside from the bullying, they also are unable to grasp the idea that Bravo is exploiting these neanderthals by showcasing them in the worst possible light. Again, it is much like returning the golden days of the Roman Collisseum as they weigh in with thumbs up or down in accordance with the “games”.

    Few seem to be troubled by watching a group of out of control women racing through the lobby of a country club in pursuit of another as people had to get out of the way in order to not get hurt. The overall assessment seems to be that it is perfectly reasonable behavior especially if it is directed at a less than admirable cast member rather then the sociological view that what we are witnessing is gang mentality.

    Chances are that if this same insanity showed the same women running after say Bethenny, or even Ramona, there would be a hue and cry instead of the pats on the back being handed out to those who behaved like shreiking animals.

    • Agree with that Olivia. There was nothing good with what those women did that night. People who believe that Ashley, Teresa and even jacqueline did nothing wrong that night should be few and far between, but there are more than I’d like to think about.

    • Snarkella says:

      The worst thing about the Bravo blogs is that Bravo severely limits the comments posted, so we don’t really know what other viewers are thinking. We just see what Bravo wants us to see.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I used to read the blogs and comments at Bravo – now I can barely get through the blogs and skip the posts. Hopefully, while Bravo is only allowing positive comments they are keeping track of all comments – good, bad and fugly.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      “Again, it is much like returning the golden days of the Roman Collisseum as they weigh in with thumbs up or down in accordance with the “games”. ‘

      Boy, oh boy, this is exactly what is happening. So disturbing!!!!!

    • quincyillinois says:

      Did you see how many women touched Teresa? She had people touching her hair, pulling her arm… trying to stop her. She has the tape. Lots of assaults happened in that Country Club that night.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Teresa should sue the country club! $$$$$$
        If you watch the women who are scattering, those trying to stop the mad cow stampede, and those who were physically moved by the cast in the chase scene – it was pretty obvious they didn’t sign up for the craziness when they decided to attend the fashion show.
        Me – I would ask for a refund from the club for my membership!

        • felony stupid says:

          One thing I’ve been wondering…what kind of terrible bodyguard was that? Shouldn’t that guy have gotten her right out of there? Why wasn’t he right on this situation? That’s been bugging me since watching it.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            The bodyguard did get her out of the country club ,I think he is the one who sheltered her in the bushes until the KimG’s driver pulled the car around. It looked to me like when they were taking her to the car, is when Ass-ly came up with the attack from behind.

            There were just way too many shrieking banshee’s for one or even two men to deal with.

    • it is sickening to see that justification used repeatedly. “Years ago, Danielle was a crook, so it’s okay now for women who didn’t know about the charges to sit around, come up with ways to make her life hell, & chase her through a country club so they can physically assault & verbally abuse her.” No, it’s not okay. Danielle has already paid her debt to society & while she maybe crazier than an outhouse rat, that is no excuse to torment & abuse her.

  43. Olivia says:

    Theresa seems to be convinced that what she did was “cute”. Table flipping, foul language, all done in front of kids seems to have little bearing in her mind and Monday night’s episode just reinforces her opinion that one can behave like an animal and it is acceptable since there are enough morons out there who find her behavior “amusing” and justified.

    Did she behave the same way when Juicy Joe announced their bankruptcy and she was forced to tighten the belt at all those boutiques she frequented? Did she accept this with equanimity or did she throw a handy piece of furniture at his head as Caroline giggled and praised her for “being Theresa”?

    “Nice person” my @ss! She is the worst of the worst and deals another blow to women by behaving like a total loser. Her behavior is frightening.

    • Ellabean says:

      “worst of the worst”. I so agree.

      She makes Jill Zarin look like Miss Manners.

    • Snarkella says:

      Yes. Teresa is awful and it’s odd that she seems to be 100% confident that everyone loves her as much as she loves herself. I am shocked at the way the others let her get away with such rude behavior. This horrible woman is the one who called Sonja out as a “Crazy Old Whore” after her first appearance on NY. Sonja! — who tries to have a kind word for everyone.

      Teresa, your are a BITCH girl!

      • JazzNightOut says:

        Teresa is a THUG! She was pumping her arms as she waddle-ran down the hallway and couldn’t get there fast enough to satisfy the lust in her heart to do damage to Danielle. Just a THUG.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I willing to bet Theresa and that other hair ball Snooky from the Jersey Shore would battle it out for pay for view.

  44. scorpiosue1102 says:

    How did Bravo go from having Queer Eye and Inside the Actor’s Studio to trash like RHONJ?

  45. Snarkella says:

    On another note to Bravo, the location should be like another character. On the NY franchise, I think they got it right. We see a bit of the Hamptons, swanky restaurants and dance clubs, fashion shows, the streets, landmarks, etc.

    In New Jersey, we see a few big houses, their big manicured lawns and a few paltry strip-mall-shops. Is that all there is to see in New Jersey?

    I really don’t think I’ve learned anything about life in New Jersey, except that several dumb-ass women live there.

    • Maxine49 says:

      Excellent point, Snarkella.

    • boston02127 says:

      @Snarkella–The other night when they showed Jac & Chris talking to Ashley, I was looking around that house and the first thing that came to mind was that it looked like old dusty furniture. It looked like someone came in and pulled sheets off all the old furniture for them to film there.

      • jezzibel says:

        and no books or bookshelves filled with books at any of the housewives homes…except mybe Alex and Simons..but I’m not 100% about that

      • Snarkella says:

        I agree. They may have big, fancy homes but I wouldn’t want to live in any of them. The only New Jersey house I really liked was the home of Ashely’s boyfriend.

      • cusi77 says:

        @Boston__ I notice that as well… It was like furniture-letf overs which have seen a better times.

    • TLM says:

      Add to that the folks from Jersey Shore, Jerseylicious and Jersey Couture. And let’s not forget the predecessors, Growing up Gotti and the Sopranos. All cut from the same cloth, even though Sopranos was fictionalized. It offends me not only that New Jersey is portrayed this way, but that Italian-Americans are portrayed this way. And I’m not Italian, nor do I live in NJ (just vacation there).

      While there are many Italian-Americans in New Jersey, I feel it’s wrong to have shows that give the picture they are the ONLY ethnic group there. In the last 15 years or so, many ethnic populations have grown, including Indian and Vietnamese. And there are plenty of others. It seems like the Italian-Americans were chosen for these shows because they promised the biggest ratings and were the easiest to exploit.

      However, I hasten to add these people are all from Central to North Jersey. I do think there’s a different culture in South Jersey, where there’s Princeton, Cape May and Ocean City and you’re closer to Philadelphia. I’m not saying there aren’t still plenty of yahoos in the south — there are many in South Philadelphia who are similar to the north Jersey crowds — but there are fewer of them, and the culture tends to be more subdued.

  46. Squirrels says:

    Why is it that women beating each other up is an aphrodisiac to viewers. I know some men think it’s cool, but that isn’t the demographic. This exploitation of women is nothing short of pimp behavior. Someone get Andy a purple velvet hat…. adorned with a Kelly feather.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      these wannabes haven’t even come close to a real cat fight!

      • Squirrels says:

        I wonder if that will be the defense should Bravo enter the fray. “Hey, those Bad Girl’s were waaaay worse than us.”

        Ah yes, it’s a matter of degrees.


  47. The statements by Danielle’s lawyer have me wondering.
    IF Danielle goes into litigation with Bravo, how could she appear on the re-union?
    Does she not want to be on the re-union for some reason?
    I wonder if the contract is unilateral as far as being bound to a re-union appearence? I don’t see how it possibly could be.
    Normally, even a threat of a lawsuit, establishes a hostile relationship.
    Even-if Bravo maintains a friendly demeanor, they most-likely would refer any/and all contact attempts from Danielle to their lawyers, saying something like, “due to your lawyer’s statements about possible litigation, our lawyers insist that all contact is done with them.”
    Why would Danielle take such a risk?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      gotta think Bravo protects itself from lawsuits by performers on their shows. Kelly should have been fired but wasn’t – could she have sued Bravo for wrongful termination? Bravo doesn’t have to renew or ask anyone back – cleanest way to avoid a lawsuit. Danielle will likely have alot of no comments at the reunion because of this new flurry of legal actions.

      • Maxine49 says:

        Windy, I am confident that these women have contracts with Bravo and are “independent contractors.” They are not in an employer/employee relationship, so there’s no concept of wrongful termination of employment. However, there could be a claim of breach of contract, depending on the terms.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Didn’t Alex say they were employees of Shed Media? So Bravo directly isn’t employing these loons – they just produce the show. Andy is a Bravo employee in charge of programming – he just decides what shows will be in the schedule. His WWHL is his ego tripping stab at being a late night talk show host.

    • Maxine49 says:

      Is Danielle suing Bravo? I thought she was just suing Teresa and Jacqueline. I’ll have to go look at the articles. Maybe they have already filmed the reunion. How many more weekly episodes are left?

      • quincyillinois says:

        I think suing Bravo is speculation at this time. Bravo has the deep pockets.

        I don’t think they filmed the reunion. Teresa stated that we are in the middle of the season now.

  48. WindyCityWondering says:

    Hey, I am wondering – on WWHL, Andy had a caller asking if that was Kathy Lee at the country club…..did that come from someone on this blog (I didn’t catch the name of who asked the question)? Is Andy’s minions monitoring this blog for ideas?

  49. Squirrels says:

    I suppose she may have weighed her $3,333/mo against a windfall. Another possibility is she’s pulling the drama queen card.

    Who knows what motivates that woman?

  50. WindyCityWondering says:

    Would you consider writing another letter to Bravo/Andy on the subject of what viewers really want to see? While I do view other blogs/sites, I only comment here because I like, feel comfortable and respect the community you have created. We are voices that should count in programming decisions and I would like you to consider crafting that vehicle. I would also be happy to put my handle in support to whatever you pen.

  51. kats2 says:

    I can’t stand Danielle but I hope she sues the pants off of Teresa and Ashley.

    And I also hopes Bravo sticks a fork in NJ, it’s really not needed. It’s like Housewives of Pittsburg who cares? (No offense to Pittsburg, you can pick any place and insert it in that comment).

    I think they should stick to NYC HW with a new cast members (get rid of Jill, Kelly and Luann)

    DC HW – Ok it will be a train wreck I’m sure but they can upgrade the cast after the S1 shock value.

    Beverly Hills HW – I really can’t wait for this one, I want to see real money again.

    Stick a fork in OC and Atlanta PLEASE!

    • jezzibel says:

      Real Housewives of Dallas or even better RealDrunkhousewives of 6th st. in Austin….I might consider watching those

      • quincyillinois says:

        We don’t want a real housewives of Chicago. We’d rather sit back and mock the housewives from other cities. Besides, who cares what kind of dish soap we buy at the grocery store before making dinner and folding laundry.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          valid point!

        • Snarkella says:

          I would love a Real Housewives of Chicago. I have visited a couple of times and the thing that struck me is that it’s so beautiful and stylish. There would be so many great taping opportunities.

          • quincyillinois says:

            Yes, it’s the most wonderful city on the Planet Earth, but the people are generally friendly. The men will hold a door and not step on you trying to get into and elevator. People do smile at you on Michigan Ave. We’d have a bunch of Chicago Housewives who are nice to each other and the rest of the country would be bored. We just have to be nice to each other and watch Jill rip the face off of her best friend. That is our job.

      • Pantry Viewer says:

        LOL! Hey! I coulda been a stah in my early 20s back in the day of bar hopping on 6th Street in Austin! Keep Austin Weird – that one would be a fun one.

        • TLM says:

          I would watch RH of Austin, definitely. But I’d want there to really be some interesting cool people. Not wannabe cool like Miami Social (God forbid) or psycho like Kelly, but cool people. Maybe up and coming young people who aren’t necessarily dripping with wealth, but are involved in progressive charities and interesting businesses. Something that would really showcase Austin and why it’s “weird.”

    • TLM says:

      RH of Pittsburgh would be more exciting than you’d expect. Don’t forget, Carnegie Mellon University, the Carnegie Museums, and the Andy Warhol museum are there. (For those who don’t know, Warhol grew up in Pittsburgh, even though he later moved to NYC and was more associated with that town). There is old money to be found there, and there are plenty of benefactors to support these institutions. Not to mention the trendy South Side and Station Square restaurants, which include a Hard Rock Cafe. I would rather watch that any day than the RHONJ.

    • Snarkella says:

      I agree kats2. I don’t like Danielle and wrote her off as a paranoid attention seeker. But after watching Teresa and Ashley this week I’m beginning to wonder if Danielle has a point. Danielle was just “there”. Her behavior may have been annoying, but she wasn’t trying to engage anyone. Teresa and Ashley were looking to start something and they did.

      • MAMAZ says:

        TLM – And don’t forget Pittsburgh has one of the most beautiful skylines in the US. The view coming through the tunnel into the city is breathtaking. The Point is truly unique. Shadyside is a fantastic neighborhood with some incredible homes. And in the ‘burbs you have Fox Chapel. Some of the folks there could buy and sell Bawby and Jill Zarin twice over!
        I didn’t grow up in Pittsburgh but I went to college there. I think most people would be pleasently surprised by all the city has to offer. I wish I still lived there.

  52. Squirrels says:

    Another question. If Bravo is sued by any of the housewives and wins, it’s still going to cost them a fortune. Would they see that as advertising dollars well spent? Would they hope the diehard fans will tune in for more of the same next season?

    I’m not worried about Bravo, but Andy should be held personally accountable for his role in encouraging drama to the point of violence. He crossed the line imo.

    • quincyillinois says:

      Danielle has to be upset over the Grandma kitty breasts. Grandma is wrinkled and everyone says she is ugly. Andy allowed Teresa and Jaqueline to make fun of Danielle the entire WWHL. If there is one person on this planet that can hold a grudge, it’s our girl, Danielle.

      • Squirrels says:

        It goes beyond public humiliation charges. It once again shows how Andy pushes the button that opens the door to more of the same and each button push elevating the level of aggression. At some point, an explosion is certain to occur.

        While hair pulling may seem tame, it can only escalate from here according to the Bravo play book. They shove it forward, relish the results and make money in the process. My problem is the cost to women, and teen girls in particular.

        I want to scream from the rafters, “This is not acceptable behavior.” I fear it will fall on deaf ears until someone dies. This may sound over the top, but no one saw the Jenny Jones murder coming either. We should remember that sad crime and remind Andy as well. He may pay attention if for no other reason than his own self preservation.

        • JazzNightOut says:

          I don’t think I was the only one who had real concern for Bethenny’s physical safety around Kelly. There Andy seemed to find the word to say “disturbing.” But if Kelly is to return to RHONYC that is valication for her behaviour. I do not think it is paranoid or stretching things to be very afraid that condoning and even enjoying this behaviour on Andy’s part could result in physical harm to someone. I posted above, or on the previous blog, a ‘tweet’ from Andy on Jul 1 of this year when he watched two “Ally Sheedy” lookalikes fighting in front of Rockafeller Center. He tweeted that one was sweating and the other one was pale. His assessment was “#ilikeny.’ Shows where his values are. It is not funny or cute or a hoot or entertainment. It is dangerous, full stop. Period.

  53. boston02127 says:

    Can anyone hear this?

  54. quincyillinois says:

    There is a gay guy missing in action in NJ. Remember the hairdresser/makeup/ best friend of Danielle for decades? He made a comment to Teresa at last year’s reunion. Where is he? He was Danielle’s only friend on the planet last year and that is why Danielle needed to dominate Jacqueline’s time.

    Jill dumps Brad… Did Danielle dump her gay best friend for the ex con gay hater?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO neither woman wanted to be upstaged! They don’t realize that these guys make for interesting scenes!

    • TLM says:

      And Bethenny seems to have dumped Francky in favor of Stacy Lyn Weinstein. The gays are getting dumped left and right!! 😉

      • quincyillinois says:

        That is soooooo wrong. Let’s call Kathy Griffith. She will fix this.

      • Adios Lunatic says:

        I’m pretty sure I saw Francky entering the wedding. I was wondering what had happened to him. I wonder why B chose Stacy to do her hair?

      • kats2 says:

        Fracky is still around and was at the wedding have a fabu time. I love that man and glad that B kept him as a friend. Who knows why she switched or if the switch was for real and perm. He was at the wedding so that says a lot.

  55. boston02127 says:

    There is a lot being posted about the law suit in the past 15 minutes. Google.com
    I hate to keep posting it all here thou. I don’t think Teresa is feeling too fabulicious now.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      @Char – how do you know it is the RHONY Teresa? I can’t find the comment! Guess the housewives know where to come for fan feedback that isn’t filtered.

      • Char212 says:

        OOPs I posted the wrong link lol. here’s the right one…

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          So housewives can not sue each other but that doesn’t include criminal charges being pursued? They have no character nor money so the last two suits (defamation and damages) are just fluff….. Danielle could very well get a restraining order on Ashley because she just doesn’t stop!

          • Char212 says:

            I wonder if the courts feel that it’s been months ago that all this happened if they will just consider it petty and throw it out. Unless of course more has happened since then.

            • quincyillinois says:

              It’s years, not months…. You can file years after an event.

              • Char212 says:

                Ya, I know that but, they might wonder what took her so long and why now and not then. I wonder if it’s her way of not having to appear on the reunion show if she doesn’t want to be there.

              • quincyillinois says:

                Char… I think Danielle finally met the right lawyer for the job. He seems to be gung ho for this.

              • Squirrels says:

                Since she didn’t know what would end up on the cutting room floor, she may have had to wait for evidence. If she filed before it aired, Bravo could have changed the edit and not shown the actual battery.

          • Squirrels says:

            I cannot imagine an atty worth their salt who cannot get around the contract. No contract is iron clad, as Hollywood divorces have proven. Once violence ensued, which is a criminal offense, seems to me all bets would be off. It is the obligation of the production crew to keep the players safe and out of harms way. Bravo does not do that. They encourage, ergo, they are as guilty as Ashley and should not be allowed to purport opps, it isn’t in the contract, too bad bitch. Again, I go back to the gang mentality, gleefully promoted by Bravo on ads 24/7. They are hardly innocent in this debacle.

          • that restriction probably means they can’t sue each other for slander or defamation or harmed through negligence. you can’t waive your rights to sue if you have been intentionally physically harmed, which Danielle was. Ashley did what her mom & Teresa egged her on to do.

  56. error 404 says:

    Kiki seems to be desperately spinning her wheels trying to get other stuff going, making vague allusions to other shows or projects she may be doing, etc… I think even she sees the writing on the wall, and is preparing for strong possibility of not being asked back.

    I don’t buy into all of the ‘Bravo is pulling the strings’ conspiracy crap. Yeah, they may have pushed them all to go to the VIs, because they know things happen that way, but what happened and how it happened was all down to the women.

    It seems to me that he entire season every single HW except for Alex tried her best to get Bethenny into attack mode. I believe it was a very orchestrated scheme to bait the popular girl into lashing out and attacking the others, thus damaging her reputation and popularity before her own show.

    Lulu invites her for drinks, cancels, invites her again but insists she take a long hot car ride there, and then goats her into being defensive about past behavior. Set up.

    Ramona just launches into a viscious attack on the Bklyn bridge that had not just B, but all of us stunned by it’s coming out of left field. Set up.

    Jill… we won’t even go there. How many times did she tell the camera what a despicable villain B was? Set up.

    Then there’s Kiki, who spent every waking moment on the trip attacking B non stop, just egging her on for a lash out fight back. Set up.

    Jill and Kiki still, to this day, keep insisting that B attacked them and is int he wrong, despite the fact that we all saw what happened and know for a fact that they attacked her. Set up.

    So, are we to believe that Bravo called up the 5 women and said “Hey, we’ve poured a lot of time and money into B’s show, and we really wan tit to fail, so could you all conspire to discredit?” ? Seems kinda a long shot to me. The fact that they all conspired behind Bravo’s back, and then Bravo retaliated by editing it to showcase all of their 2-faced backstabbing, seems more likely to me.

    • Squirrels says:

      I see your point, but without the bosses pushing the plot along behind the scenes, each incident could have turned out quite differently. The pressure to remain on the show, knowing each had to pull their weight in order to remain (didn’t an OC wife get fired?).

      It’s not unlike working for any corporation today. You are a number, not a person. You are expendable and won’t even get a thank you for your contribution as they write you up or usher you off the property. This type of pressure changes people. I’ve seen it time and time again. Wish a housewife would spill.

      • quincyillinois says:

        I can’t become a housewive. Years ago, I made a joke about red being out of style and the leader of the foreign doctors’ wives club had a red skirt on. I have got to pay more attention to the colors of clothes under the tables at the country club.

        I was kicked out of society. There was no redemption. When she called to scream at me, she said that her clothes were her identity.

        I was also punished for being cordial when I would meet her after she came to her senses and stopped gossiping about me.

        So.. all of this will come out should I become a Bravo housewive.

        This is why Bravo won’t have a Real Housewives of Quincy, IL.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      gotta agree, excellent points to ponder….as each housewife learned more about Jill’s vendetta against Bethenny and then the majority bonded on SJVI trip, new opinions, friendships, etc were established – with Jill losing big time! Bravo can set the stage but it is the cast that makes the scenes.

    • quincyillinois says:

      Well, Sonja and Kiki know that child support payments will eventually run out.
      Their settlements were probably a lot larger when the divorce decrees were signed than they are today. The clock is ticking.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Concur. Even Ramona at the reunion said the producers were concerned and contacted her to see if she was going along with the Zarin inspired “boycott filming with Bethenny” campaign.

      Another thing, the Housewife shows are filmed, produced, edited for Bravo by different production companies. The housewives are employed by the production companies, not Bravo. So while Bravo has some oversight, I don’t think Bravo is as hands on into the actual day to day production of the shows as some here think.

      As I recall Bethenny has said that Shed Media which produces RHONY, is not as manipulative as some of the other production companies for other shows. It appears that in Season 3, Shed Media was dealing with a production that had some cast members running their own agenda, cast members manipulating the production rather than vice versa. Which makes it even more ironic that now JZ blames the producers for showing what she gave them on film.

      • Squirrels says:

        “It appears that in Season 3, Shed Media was dealing with a production that had some cast members running their own agenda, cast members manipulating the production rather than vice versa”

        This lends to my argument that fear of losing what one has propels us to go over the top to protect our position in life/work, etc.

        Regardless of behaviors, the buck stops at Bravo. They allowed this crap to be aired. Andy applauded both Jac and T. Laughed along with them during the clip of D singing. It still comes off as gang mentality in my book.

        • Need a Hobby says:

          Well of course the network is responsible for choosing what programs it airs. That’s different, however, from asserting that the network is hands on scripting the action of each show. Or is responsible for the choices the women as individuals make and their behavior. Individual responsibility still holds, including how they respond to the situation(s). How and what they choose is still reflective of them as individuals.

          • Squirrels says:

            “Individual responsibility still holds, including how they respond to the situation(s). How and what they choose is still reflective of them as individuals.”

            I humbly disagree on this one. If the 1961 Milgram experiment shows us anything, humans will do anything under the supervision of what they perceive to be authority figures.

            Housewives may be an extension of this proven theory.

            • Need a Hobby says:

              But not all humans will do just anything, even in extreme situations. History and even those experiments you cite show that.

              In this case, we’re talking pampered women of some means on television reality shows in which they choose to participate and who have their own agendas. They choose and they are responsible for their choices.

        • error 404 says:

          But this is exactly what’s at the core of why “I hate Jill Zarin!”

          Bravo may have said “bring the drama or lose the apple” which is why Alex told Jill off so publicly and memorably, why R ripped into B on the bridge, why Lulu went on and on about “snake” and “countless” only to just drop both later on, etc… this is drama.

          Trying to destroy your former friend isn’t “drama”, nor is attacking a pregnant woman. “Over the top” doesn’t even begin to describe what Jill and Kiki did.

          Yes, corporate america does fuel bad behavior, which is why most of us end up unemployed in lieu of throwing our friends under the bus to save our own skin.

          • Squirrels says:

            “Yes, corporate america does fuel bad behavior, which is why most of us end up unemployed in lieu of throwing our friends under the bus to save our own skin.”

            Precisely my point. You said it better.

            • Need a Hobby says:

              Which is my point: not all people are willing to do just anything, even if noncompliance has negative consequences.

              Jill, for example, had her own agenda, separate from those of Bravo or the show’s producers. That’s her responsibility, no one else’s.

  57. quincyillinois says:

    What about the police men who told Jacqueline about their visits to Danielle where she was always the victim? I guess a police call is a public record, but the policemen saying this after Danielle called them for assault where there were witnesses…
    I would think the policemen/policeman shouldn’t do that.

    • Snarkella says:

      You are so RIGHT ON! The police could have handled the whole situation better. When they asked Teresa for her ID and she acted like she didn’t know what they were talking about, none of the policemen questioned her behavior. She started the whole damn thing and chased Danielle through the Country Club. What gives New Jersey cops?

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I’m blaming editing!
        There wasn’t the fight we were promised! Teresa ran like she was a walrus in a potato sack race! Jacky knows what a doofus her daughter is and should have made a beeline to where ever she was to ride herd on that little heffer. Both Kims combined don’t equal one remotely interesting person. And you mean to suggest that not ONE of those other country club lemmings didn’t dime on Teresa to the cops? And she got away with her ain’t I cute poop to the cops????
        Puleasse…..Bravo, pay attention…..sell this NJ farm/zoo before you lose viewers of your other shows in protest!

      • quincyillinois says:

        Teresa and Jacqueline attended the Sheriff’s fundraiser, but I think the country club was in Danielle’s town so that might not be the same police force. Danielle listens to insults and she heard what Jacqueline said about the police knowing Danielle as the “victim.” I’m sure she’s got a voodoo doll with pins stuck in to for those policemen right now.

    • Just because she said that..doesn’t make it true

      couldn’t help myself

  58. It is crazy how much can change in a year.
    I thought I loved Jill, the nice jewish woman who I wished was my mother, and could never imagine feeling otherwise.
    I was firmly Team Manzo and during season one could never imagine feeling the slightest bit of sympathy for Danielle.
    Now I cant stand Jill and am feeling a little sorry for Danielle.
    I feel like the world is upside down. These housewives are really messing with my head! Lol.

    • Snarkella says:

      If you rewatch the first couple of seasons of NYHW, you will definitely see signs of Jill’s monster lurking. In those seasons, most of her hideous behavior was directed at Ramona and no one seemed to mind so much. In the third season, Jill went from having a little nasty streak to becoming a full-fledged-media-whore-self-centered-back-stabbing-bitch! Your world really isn’t upside down. Jill just let her true colors show.

      • boston02127 says:

        I noticed that too about Jill. I never caught it first time around.
        The minute Jill said “you hit me I’ll hit you back” about Simon, the real Jill came out.

      • I saw that too. Absolutely true. the monster was always there.

      • I’ve been meaning to go back and watch season one.
        I want to see if the signs were there and we just didn’t see them.
        Apparently they were.

        • MAMAZ says:

          I don’t feel sorry for Danielle. I don’t like Theresa, Jacq or Ashley and I certainly don’t condone what they did BUT…
          Danielle pushes all the right button then pretends hurt and dismay when the obvious outcome occurs. She is enjoying her own victimization.

          I think she will have a tough time selling a lawsuit against Theresa. An even tougher one against Bravo if she did actually attempt to go after them. Ashley has admitted to harming Danielle but what kind of judgement can she get from her?

          Maybe she is trying to get Bravo to drop them for the show. If I were her that’s what I would want. It would KILL Theresa if she got dumped! And I bet Jacq would stay on even if her darling daughter wasn’t allowed on the show anymore.

          Maxine49 – Can you weigh in on the merits of her lawsuit against Theresa and Ashley?

      • Jules says:

        Yeah, the signs were definitely there. Remember at the Luca Luca show when she had a fit about not being in the first row. Well, she was asked about it at the first Reunion show, and made up a total lie about why she left. I realized it at the time, but gave her a pass, because I really liked the relationship between Jill, and Bethenny, but I thought to myself even then that Jill was capable of dishonesty. So, it was really her relationship with Bethenny that legitimized her, and without it, she was doomed for a fall. She was just too stupid to realize that it was Bethenny that had the star power, not her. Plus, all of season one she was duking it out with Ramona, and at the time, Ramona wasn’t very likable as a character, so we didn’t really care what Jill did to her. Yeah, she took a few jabs at Alex even then, but it took us a while to get a feel for Alex, but once we did (mostly this season), it was easy to see that Alex had a good heart, and was a good person, and we didn’t like the way Jill treated her like she was insignificant. You are bound to be seen as the villian you are when you go after the good guys.

        At this point, I am just mad that I gave her a pass when the signs were there all along. It this situation, there is a saying that fits perfectly, “When somebody shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”

  59. boston02127 says:

    Error404 posted above that Kelly seems to be desperately spinning her wheels trying to get other stuff going……I’m wondering about her exercise videos. Are the videos she posted on YouTube the done deal or are they samples of real work out videos to come? If the YouTube videos are her complete version of workout videos she’s a bigger joke than I thought. Also, I just thought of this. She’ll probably add producer and fitness guru to her laughable resume.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      good point about Kelly’s various projects -are they the finished item, samples she is trying to peddle to a production company, or are they just silly little things she does to pass the time of day?
      If Kelly is trying to brand herself – she isn’t do a good job of it. I’m inclined to believe she is trying to keep her name out there so Bravo will ask her back for another season because she clearly hasn’t capitalized or marketed herself with the one national opportunity she had with them. She did manage to scare off potential sponsors and employers with her “real, genuine, etc, etc” self.
      Maybe this is just Kelly’s video project of “what I did on my summer vacation”……..

  60. boston02127 says:

    Teresa’s tweet: Thanks for all your concern about the publicity whore “suing” me. Really? Months and months later?

    • quincyillinois says:

      Oh, Teresa… time passes slowly when you are in litigation. It may take a decade to settle all of your law suits. You will have gray hair and might have to shave your face in the shower when this is all over, honey.

    • ShyAsrai says:

      yes, really…honey.

      funny how “months and months later” you and Jacqueline were climbing all OVER that subject on WWHL

  61. boston02127 says:

    Jill must be sitting back and smiling from ear to ear. She must think all the heat is finally off of her. Surprise surprise silly Jilly, we still hate you.

    • kats2 says:

      Ha! So true Boston. The Jersey trash just reminded me of Jill and Kelly. They would actually fit in well on that show.

      • quincyillinois says:

        Teresa is Jill’s best friend. At least, she wanted to be in the beginning of the NYC season.

  62. kats2 says:

    Our favorite twitter dog cracks me up, he’s attacking Kelly today and his tweets are so funny, if you’re not following him/her you should. Chief is the name of Kelly’s dog (he’s pretending he talked to Chief)

    GingerZarin “Chief said everytime @kikilet SAYS she is going riding, she gets on that dang plastic horse and pretends she is a princess named bethenny. “

    • error 404 says:


    • Ellabean says:

      On one of Kelly’s many YouTube I’m All Things Great Videos where she toots her horn at her apartment decor decor and her taste – she explains that the big plastic horse is not only art – but also…….

      …..a room divider.

      I kid you not.

      I have a houseplant thats a plant and green thing to look at.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        @Ellabean – are you using it as a room divider too?

        • Ellabean says:

          This is a way off tangent…..

          …..but I am reminded of a classic Saturday Night Live mock commercial with Dan Akroyd as the shilling announcer:

          “Try new Shimmer! It’s a floor wax and a dessert topping !”

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Hahaha, I really did LOL.

  63. error 404 says:


    Am I the only one still watching this awful show? It’s on right after D List, so I’m captive, plus they keep having fun guest stars on, so I don’t switch it off.

    • kats2 says:

      I am for reason I can’t explain watching it. Perhaps I’m bored? But I hate myself a little bit more each time it comes on and I don’t shut it off.

      • Char212 says:

        I watched it and thought she took a cute little children s toy and made it dirty.

      • Squirrels says:

        They are unprofessional in their constant bickering in front of clients. They seem to assume they can behave like divas in their own right.

        As far as the pics? They are good, but it’s a team effort. All pre-set. Like National Geographic photogs, a lot of people set up (in NG shoots, this takes days), then the illustrious photog shows up, snaps off and leaves.

        If Marcus tells one more model, “Oh, so sexy,” I’ll puke. Get rid of that overworked line dude.

      • error 404 says:

        It’s a shame because I like the show: it’s interesting to see how they set up the shoots and what goes into a fashion shoot, but the two people are just so annoying and watching them argue non-stop really makes me want to switch it off, but I don’t because I want to see behind the scenes of a Naomi Campbell photo shoot, etc…

    • His voice really irritates me.

      • error 404 says:

        Yes. And his personality is so (stick finger in throat to make gagging motion).

        • kats2 says:

          YES and he thinks he’s sooo sexy and he’s just puke. But you know him and Kelly would make a great couple.

      • CuckooforCocoaPuffs says:

        He is whiney – ALL THE TIME! When he wants to get his way, when he is in trouble, when he wants to make “sexy time” with the newest twit – I would slap him six ways to Sunday, he is that annoying.

        Having said that, I laugh A LOT watching this guy. Not so much the ex, however – if it sucks so bad, why does she not move on???

        I loved watching how they get the actual shots, the lighting, the clients, etc., though – a brand new world.

        I think that’s why Deadliest Catch is so successful – it is a world we know nothing about. I think that was the original appeal with the HW franchise – a glimpse into a world very different than our own. Only now we know that there is no there there. They jumped the shark. Maybe the new franchises will be interesting, more likely it will be more of the same with a different background. I’m tired of petty, over-indulged women.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I tried to watch it but I need cheese with that much whine!

    • No, that show is a train wreck I can’t stop watching. I just about DIED laughing, though, when the stuck-up snot went to Paris on Bastille Day & was pissed off that all the stores were closed. DUMB ASS!!

  64. quincyillinois says:

    The Atlanta hair pulling incident came to nothing. Kim dropped charges. Danielle is another ilk. She made sure that Ashley got a record and now she’s going in for the kill with the law suit. Oh… I just remembered that Ashley said some awful things about Danielle’s daughter on twitter. That has to be a part of Danielle’s anger and desire to harm Ashley. Well, Ashley doesn’t have a chance in hell of surviving that law suit. We saw her calmly yank Danielle’s hair. The court fined her for assault. Ashley is going to be waiting tables for decades to pay Danielle back for that hair tug.

    • Snarkella says:

      The big question is why did Ashley get involved in the first place. I don’t buy her excuses that a) she started bickering with Danielle to protect her family and b) Danielle said she has fat arms. WTF? Why is an 18 year old brat messing around in ladies drama?

      My wild guess is that Ashley has no prospects — she’s a lazy little gal. She saw her mom raking in some nice paychecks for basically doing nothing, and decided she wanted a part of that. I mean, Bravo has given her a blog spot. And Andy let her get a word in on WWHL.

      Is Ashley trying to become one of the Housewives? Is Bravo rolling with it to see if they can bring in a younger audience? Do any of these people have any sense at all?

      Eff off you lazy little twit! You are ruining the Housewives franchise, of which I have a vested interest — I WANT TO WATCH IT! I am a viewer and I should count somewhere in the scheme of things. Let the big girls play and you go find yourself a real job.

      As for Bravo, you assh_les! I hope I’m wrong about you. I hope you’re not really stooping so low to try and bring younger viewers to the Housewives. The younger viewers have the Real World. We want our Housewives to be adult women. Kick little smarty pants to the curb!

      • kats2 says:

        As far as Why Ashley did it? Because she is dying to get her 15 minutes of fame. She watched Teresa table flipping get her attention and a best selling (gag) book and this is little lost soul who has no other ambitions or goals in life wants this show to be her job. She shows up this season with BF and I’m sure is dreaming of an Ashley Get’s Married? Spinoff

        • ShyAsrai says:

          according to Trashley’s latest Bravo blog – the hairpulling was due to an adrenaline blackout she suffered…

          getting her defense ready for the lawsuit?

          :my eyeballs are rolling around in my head:

      • quincyillinois says:

        Do you remember the first season six year old birthday party? While Jacqueline was in a tent getting ready, Danielle’s oldest daughter spilled the beans about Ashley inviting her friends to the party. Danielle made a big deal over it and her oldest daughter did too. I believe that was the first volley in the war between Ashley and Danielle. I suspect the two high school girls at the same Catholic high school shared tid bits of information back and forth with their mothers. I think there was a boat load of infightening between seasons and during this season. Danielle can get into the mud with the best of 18 year old girls.

        Bethenny said that it’s never about what it’s about… That hair pull was the culmination of over two years of fighting. I’m surprised it was just a tug, there could have been fingernails slashing flesh.

        Danielle’s precious daughter was a tattle tail at that birthday party. I bet her friends and Ashley’s friends were at war all of this time too.

    • Maxine49 says:

      Quincy, Ashley broke the law…she engaged in criminal behavior…she made the decision to do that….she has to pay the consequences for that…Danielle is not responsible for Ashley’s criminal record….only Ashley is. Something tells me this is just the beginning of Ashley’s brushes with the law. Watch this space…………..

  65. lillybee says:

    I can’t believe that OC is the tamest one of the bunch and that Viki is looking like a saint compared to this trash.

  66. kats2 says:

    Did anyone watch The Hills series finale? See how that ended? Has me wondering if HW/Bravo is not all fake too? I’m beginning to think it really is.

    • boston02127 says:

      @kats2—I watched it. I didn’t like the ending. I would of liked to find out about Lauren’s b/f and to see Heidi. Do you think Kristen really moved?

  67. lillybee says:

    Jon Grosslyn ‘s ex girlfriend is suing him. She wants her case to be heard by Judge Judy.
    Wouldn’t it be funny if Judge Judy hears the Danielle/Theresa case?

  68. HD says:

    I sooooooooo agree. This has gotten a bit ridiculous and was clearly set up.

    Teresa-She wants another”tablle flip” incident and wants to come up with catchy phrases so that she can be popular.

    Jacquline has failed MISERABLY as a parent. Ashley didn’t JUST start acting like that. She has BEEN acting like that. You can tell the type of person Jacquline is because what mother goes over to her daughter’s boyfriend’s house and proceeds to get drunk and let her lay in her lap and feed her grapes? THEY JUST MET! Which shows you the type of person she is. Ashley walks all over her because she allows it. She does good for SUMMER SCHOOL and you buy her a damn car? She moves out and moves in with her boyfriend but you STILL supply all her needs. She doesn’t know about a bank account? This is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL Jacqueline’s fault! She is a horrible parent. And now that Ashley is older she is reflection of what was planted in her.

    If that girl was my child, honeyyyyyyyyyyyyyy let me tell you. They would have had to call the police on me because I would have whooped that ass YEARS ago! There! I had to say that! Sue me!

    • Squirrels says:

      All I can hear in my head is Theresa saying to the producer…”Oh wait honey, you are gonna love the shit that’s gonna go down.” The producer then asks the assistant for a tissue to wipe the drool off his face.

  69. Buffywood says:

    Is is just me or does Ashley remind you a little of Lynn’s (OC) one daughter? The spoiled little bitch one who got a ton of air time complaining about her mom and her not setting limits, and then ignoring any limit Lynn set… I see a pattern here…

    • I didn’t think she was a spoiled bitch.
      I thought she was a sad girl who wanted her parents to parent her, not act like teenagers high on pot all the time.
      That girl (can’t remember her name) wanted rules and discipline. She actually complained that her parents never punished her, and that there were never consequences for the things she did. She pushed the boundaries to try to get her parents to care about something.
      Ashley’s the opposite. She is just brat.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      There are patterns – it comes from wanting to be a friend instead of a parent!

      • Buffywood says:

        I guess I consider a teen who gets everything she wants, does nothing in return, and ignores what her parents say a spoiled little bitch. You are correct though, I feel bad for her as she does want some rules and such and it is her parents failure that they do not follow through on any limits they set. If they do not crack down on her in a few years she will be Ashely’s twin.

        • jezzibel says:

          I felt sorry for Lynns youngest….she watched her older sisiter get away with bloody murder and then her parents decided to switch the play up with her so late into the game (I belive she is almost 18, I might be wrong though)…I think she wanted her parents to act like parents to her all the time(not just on camera) or leave it like it was and not pretend at being parents when the camera was on them

  70. WindyCityWondering says:

    I just gagged by way through Ashley’s blog. Her excuse for her behavior: I blacked out from the adreneline…..and I did that on impulse (while she was blacked out?).
    She is a pathetic liar. Should this blog find it’s way into Danielle’s lawsuit all the better – this idiot deserves so much more than what she initially got for her felonious assault on a weave that technically isn’t really hair and so I really didn’t touch her slap on the wrist. And Ashley when you lie in court under oath – it’s called perjury and that is a bad thing.

    • quincyillinois says:

      It’s best not to commit perjury. I don’t think Ashley can be quiet.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I don’t know if this blog came on before or after the announcement of the lawsuit – Ashley and her advisors are beyond stupid either way.

  71. quincyillinois says:


    Criminal charges pressed/filed by our Danielle against those evil women.

    That should help in the civil case. Danielle is litigious. She enjoys the spot light in front of the court house.

  72. Squirrels says:

    I got thru her first page, that was it. Figured I’d respond, knowing it will never see the light of day. Fortunately, I can vent here.

    You should be in jail. Enjoy paying through the nose for battery. You may need a second burger flipping job.

    Oh, wait…. mom will convince hubby to bail you out, YET AGAIN.

    Is it fun to have a criminal record at the age of 18? Are you proud? Have you done ONE thing to change your life?

    NO. You continue to bash away on twitter and facebook, all the while continuing to dig a self produced hole.

    You are young, but youth is no excuse when you cross the line of law. Wake up. You really are in deep this time.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      lol @Squirrels – had to read in small doses too because I kept blacking out from all the adreneline!

      • quincyillinois says:

        You know she seemed so calm right before the tug of hair event. Wouldn’t she sweat, breath heaviily and perspire if she was having an adrenaline overdose?

  73. Wendy says:

    Dream finale episode of RHONJ…..Repo men show up at Teresa’s tacky mansion, start loading up her vehicles on flatbed. At the same time, Sheriff shows up at the door with eviction notice. Teresa starts running after them down her long driveway, big butt, ghetto head bop thing going on, mascara stained tears running down her face, yelling…. You can’t do this, I’m a nice person! Ain’t I?!!!
    Shot of Danielle at the end of the driveway watching the whole thing with her binoculars, big grin her face.
    As Teresa reaches the end of the driveway, Danielle reaches out and pulls her hair. Miraculously, Teresa’s forehead stretches into a normal size. Cut! The End.

  74. boston02127 says:

    NJ wives can’t stop. Their begging for anyone to listen to them. Teresa…. that’s what got you in trouble in the first place. Danielle didn’t want to listen to you and neither does the world.
    Jacqueline stop tweeting and spend some time with the two kids you haven’t failed… yet.
    Teresa stop tweeting and go get a job and pay your bills.
    Ashley stop tweeting and go find some self respect.

  75. nancy says:

    I have read “Cop Without a Badge”. Got it from Amazon. Read this and no one will ever feel any sympathy towards Danielle. None. Remember this book was done years ago before D received “fame”. Can’t change a zebra spots. Never post. Just a looker.Thanks Lynn for my daily enjoyment. Still hate Jill.

    • boston02127 says:

      @nancy–I read it too and I totally agree.

      • felony stupid says:

        I’m no fan of Danielle. Just need to point out that the book was written by a criminal who became an informant to try and save his own behind. Not sure I buy his version of events…

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      thanks for reminding us about Jill – the NJ crew are stupid, crude and full of themselves and excuses. Jill on the other hand is sneaky, manipulative, and snake mad mean at heart. Will forget the Jersey thugs but will not forgive Jill!

    • kats2 says:

      All the more reason that the other NJ crew should never give her attention of any kind, totally ignoring her. Don’t look at her, don’t talk about her, don’t call her a pig while with your family, trash her over family dinners.

      I didn’t read the book and I can only imagine and I just don’t like her, but these other HW’s for me are not any better and are making the situation worst. I can only go by what I see on the show, blogs, and interview stuff they say themselves, they are obsessed with her.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        THEY can’t help themselves! They are classless – they have no morals, no family values worth mentioning, set the worst type of example for their children and are thieves and forgers and quick to violence. Long after the Bravo packs the circus and cameras up they will be talked about in their town….and not in a good way.

  76. Squirrels says:

    Me too. Still hate Jill. Thanks for reminding me, lol.

  77. Squirrels says:


    I’m heading to the book signing with Kathy Griffen and Maggie Mom. Will post pics.

  78. @twilighttwitti says:

    Great Blog Lynn, I never saw things this way until you pointed it out. I hope Bravo TV is listening because I for one am so sick of watching RHONJ. I watch it one time and thats it. I can’t even stomach any re-runs of this show. Danielle (dirty D) and Danny (the thug) disgust me. I don’t give a damn about Caroline’s kids either or Ashley. The two Kim’s are the worst actresses and you can see they just try to hard. I can’t wait for this show to be over already, I’m done with RHONJ.
    I wish they would put more re-runs of RHONY, I miss it.

  79. twoile says:

    FYI just came upon the TWOP site as back up exclusively 4 hwonj comments.
    My feedback is that did Jerry Springer loose his staff to Bravo?

  80. dumberries says:

    From absurdtosublime.net The writer seems to feel almost exactly the same as the posters here on Lynn’s site. NJ is a waste of programming! Only Bravo seems to feel otherwise.
    New Jersey Housewives: Bringing the Cray-Cray
    Damn these women for performing like idiots for the cameras.

    The Short Version:
    Teresa Giudice is an illiterate fool. What did she plan to do once she caught Danielle? She and Juicy Joe have filed for bankruptcy, so how did Danielle lie? Everyone in Patterson should be mortified.

    Jacqueline Laurita is a passive-aggressive two-faced fool. She told Danielle all of Dina Manzo’s business, now Dina is afraid of it coming out, and she enables that not very bright monster she raised named

    Ashley Holmes who is suffering from the MTV/VH1 Syndrome… and her thinking is as screwed up as Danielle’s.

    Caroline Manzo and her smug, self-righteous I told you so attitude, and her over-dramatization of everything.
    Between these four, who has time to snarky on Danielle Staub?
    This series has jumped the shark, with no redeeming qualities in any of the women.

  81. twoile says:

    I would add that it looks like this (slide downhill) level of tastelessness is the program model that Andy/Bravo/springer/maury is following 4 thier future series….why would they (invest) in the DC hw with the Sah…whatever gatecrashers…I’ll not watch….Hey Bravo may actually be doing viewers like myself a big favor…have been watching since the begining all the hw’s but now I think I’ll be freed/relieved/released etc..I will watch B’s program.

  82. myname2use4now says:

    Mickey Mouth…if you’re out there, listening to my prayers, will you please do one of your beautiful photoshops with Jac as one of the Easter Island stone sculptures? It’s all I see when I look at her!


    Ps. I still hate Jill Zarin and Ashley is still butt ugly and dumber than a bag of hammers.

    • Squirrels says:

      Speaking of Mickey, I also have a request/suggestion.

      My son was watching a cartoon called Jaun and the Tools. I think we can all see Andy as Juan… tools? you pick.


  83. boston02127 says:

    Is anyone watching Big Brother tonight?

  84. WindyCityWondering says:

    NJ jumped the shark with the flip of a table. There was no reason to shoot a second season with the everyone against Danielle set firmly in place.
    NY had two successful seasons but season three and the SJVI Kelly flip out brought the shark in striking distance for this franchise. Who Bravo invites back with either keep the shark circling or dinner will be served before mid season.
    OC was always boring, Atlanta was always trashy but nothing in either of those shows comes close to the shark jump of NJ.

    I like the housewives concept and the peek at their lifestyles and interesting lives. What it comes down to is the cast selection – when Bravo misses it misses big time. If their fan base isn’t listened to then their shows deserve to tank. And I realize some people take this form of entertainment too seriously and can get unpleasant about it – which shouldn’t be a goal of any show – not just fans but castmates included.

    For the record, I like drama in little doses because it’s fun. BUT criminals (alledged and real), criminal acts, raving, dangerous lunatics and lying, name calling media whores hell bent on ruining someone else’s life and livelihood are not fun, not really interesting people and not what the majority of viewers really want to watch. So Bravo, listen up – I want real housewives not real bitchs! I want interesting locations and events not gaudy mansions and country club brawls! I want fashion trends not fashion flashbacks! But most of all, I want to be entertained not made sick!

  85. Squirrels says:

    ugh…. my sailing buddy’s 90 yr old mom has a power outage. It hit 102 today. Kathy may have to go on without me.

  86. kats2 says:

    YIKES! Besides this being a bad pic of him, the don’t look great as a couple do they?

    • HD says:

      This man obviously has money but then again the Countless doesn’t have great taste in men from the Count, to Corte and now this dude that looks like the guy from friends.

      I hate to admit it but she is a pretty woman she can have a very handsome man so I am sureeeeeeeeeee she is chasing that dolla, dolla bill!

    • boston02127 says:

      I’m guessing if the two of them have kids this is what they will look like.

    • boston02127 says:

      He’s one of those boyfriend types that is probably really nice but you hide him from your friends “cuz he ain’t a looka”.

    • Jules says:

      They both like they are high!!!!

  87. quincyillinois says:

    Danielle Staub facebook comments from fans looks brutal. She must not read them.

  88. kats2 says:

    Oh Lord, Jill has found someone else on Bravo to suck into her web and control (I mean take care of)


    • I don’t know, the article said Indrani probably won’t make it back there this summer–she’s too busy. Indrani was just being nice to Jill by allowing Jill to take a pic with her. LOL! Sounds like Indrani has a lot more going for her than Jill and Jill couldn’t keep up with her let alone attach her wagon to Indrani’s star. From the little I’ve seen of Double Exposure, Indrani should go out on her own. She has as much of a photographer’s eye as whatshisname.

      Jill shouldn’t have taken that pic with Indrani because it shows clearly that Jill is no size 1.

  89. boston02127 says:

    @Squirrels– I was just reading updateds and saw what you wrote about Kelly and her non existing charities. I’ll post that question for about a week and she will start tweeting about charity.

  90. kats2 says:

    Sorry for all the links and stuff but need help with this one. What is she referring to?

    Dina tweeted this earlier today-

    “Dear @Bravoandy now u went & pissed of the sun. I think u owe her an apology. Didn’t realize how powerful you really are. Now I’m scared… “

    • boston02127 says:

      I think Dina is one of those peace love and dope types. Mother earth type??

    • quincyillinois says:

      Seems incoherent to me. Who might be owed an apology from BravoAndy?
      Danielle? Dina seems afraid of what this person will do when they are angry. I think she must be referring to Danielle getting angry.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Andy pissed off the sun? What did he cause the heatwave in NYC?

    • The Sun was his Jackhole of the Week, and there’s a heat wave going on so she’s teasing him saying the sun’s turned up because of what he said.

    • cusi77 says:

      About Time! Has to pay “Happy wife… in debt for life”!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The video is very interesting….Joe seems to be telling Dumbzilla that there is a new living arrangement in the wind – living above the pizza place!
      What was really interesting is that T said she owns lots of investment properties in her name – would those properties not be included in the bankruptsy as well???

      • cusi77 says:

        @Windy__ Several weeks ago somebody posted a link to the actual filing Bankcrukpcy papers, BOTH, Joe and Teresa signed it! I know nothing about American Law or N. Jersey’s but I have the feeling there are not T’s assets but collective.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Teresa might not realize what she signed or Joe explained it wrong. She needs to stop saying they are in financial trouble, that the mansion is not in foreclosure and be honest (LOL)! If she can’t be honest then she should be quiet.

          • Jules says:

            Yeah, but I think their new home was the only one that they said would not be surrendered on the bankruptcy petition.

  91. quincyillinois says:

    This blog seems to have many of the thoughts that we had today. Do you think that they might have read this site and then written the article?


  92. Error404 says:

    I know there are both new yorkers and ikea fans here, so if you’re both, there’s a catalog launch event open to the public over the next two days. It’s on 25th bewteen 6th & 7th and has a showroom of their new items. I went to the press preview Event tpnght.
    And no, none of the housewives were there. Lol

  93. kats2 says:

    That Jonathan Cheban that Jill hired is definately working with Caroline and Teresa.

  94. cusi77 says:

    Somebody watching Work of Art?

  95. cusi77 says:

    Miles is an amazing Artist, in my humble opinion…

    • cusi77 says:


    • kats2 says:

      I love him

    • Char212 says:

      Miles thinks outside the box. He’s really a great artist.

    • scorpiosue1102 says:

      I think he’s a really good artist too. It’s almost like it’s organic for him. There is no real thought process; it just comes to him. I was completely ok with who went home tonight.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I watched the show early this morning. I really didn’t think that either of the pieces were going to last. Even treated wood which has been painted will fail in the sun and rain. The molded cement pieces seemed to be a good choice. If there was a way that the large piece of the red group could have matched the smaller pieces, I would have liked it more.

      The blue group piece didn’t work for me. I think the cedar scales threw it off. Miles allowed the idea of scales to come into a very simple design in order to help the group, but the original drawings without the 2 by 4 structure was more interesting. An artist using metal could have worked that original plan, but no one in the blue group had that skill.

      I hope that Miles keeps that design in mind and uses it in a future piece.

  96. boston02127 says:

    Ugh and puke. Just read Ashley’s Bravo blog. Oh “my mom” “my mom” stfu Ashley. Ashley treats her mother worse on an everyday basis than Danielle did that night. She’s claiming she was having an anxiety attack right before she pulled D’s hair out. I have about 3-4 anxiety attacks a month and I can’t even lift my arms when it happens let alone yank someone’s hair out. She’s acting so innocent on her blog, read her tweets and see how she really is. Welcome to my Jill/Kelly hate list Trashley.
    I’m going to go read my book and try to get her b/s out of my mind. Good night all.

    LOL, I just had to check off “learn” on my spell check for it to accept stfu. The nasty NJ skank is bringing me down!!!

    • cusi77 says:

      Nighty Boston! Welcome to my world! Tomorrow is my last day of Summer semester!

    • Jules says:

      Lying you know what. We all saw here smiling, and looking like she was all excited about the trouble. Her reaction after was one of triumph, and she was bragging.

      • ShyAsrai says:


        Dear Trashley: that bragging immediately afterwards captured on film for all posterity sorta kills your ‘blackout’ alibi, honey. oooh . what a co-inky-dink you remembered you had a ‘blackout’ right after Wretched Danielle announces her lawsuit. LMAO

  97. I have a recap of this week’s NJ episode, and another of my opinion of those involved. Click on my name to go to my blog.

    I think Danielle was an easy touch for an attorney to exploit this. Thank you to those providing the links to the case, where Danielle’s attorney asked for leniency for Ashley.

    Ready for a re-cast and all new Jersey Housewives. Come on, Bravo, we all need a do over on this one. (And OC. And NY … )

    • error 404 says:

      I have a recap of this week’s NJ episode too:

      – Disgusting people act like animals for tv cameras.
      – I’ve just wasted 1 hour of my life that I will never get back.
      – I scrubbed and scrubbed in a scalding hot shower, but I still feel dirty.

      • LOL! Particularly like that last one Error!

        I had watched your video on last week’s Work of Art and thought it was great. It did lock up my computer about three-fourths of the way through. 😦

        Will you be making one for tonight’s? I was so disappointed in whatshisname acting like a jackass. Glad Nicole won, but Abdi is my favorite, then Miles, then the photog (can’t remember his name either). I like so many I don’t want to see them go! LOL!

      • cusi77 says:

        Error__ Good recap. Accurate. I feel the same.

        Would you please leave a link with your vlog of WOA? I enjoy you guys!

  98. kats2 says:

    Kathy Griffin is crazy funny. She made this video as her response to the news that Levi is getting back together or going to marry Palin’s daughter (his baby mama)


    • error 404 says:

      WTH?!? Did she take it down already? It’s not there for me. 😦

    • Olivia says:

      That video is hilarious! Kathy makes me laugh. Cringe a little time, but she is funny.

      • Ellabean says:

        Loved the video!

        You have to catch the epidosde of this new season’s My Life On the D-List – where Kathy visits Levi and tours Wasilla, Alaska.

        Too effing funny.

  99. A commenter to A. Chandler’s review said that Jill’s just human and that she (the commenter) would have left herself a positive review too to which I replied:

    The “she’s just human” argument doesn’t hold water especially where ethics is concerned and you’re trying to influence other people to spend their hard earned money on your product. Truth, personal integrity and most importantly a good product is what sells.

    Most people wouldn’t hide their identity to leave their own book a 5-star review. It would be the exception, not the norm. Thankfully, most people hold to a higher standard.

    Latest stats on Jill’s book:

    # Hardcover: 300 pages
    # Publisher: Dutton Adult (April 15, 2010)
    # Language: English
    # ISBN-10: 0525951792
    # ISBN-13: 978-0525951797
    # Product Dimensions: 9.2 x 6.3 x 1.5 inches
    # Shipping Weight: 15.2 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
    # Average Customer Review: 2.1 out of 5 stars See all reviews (180 customer reviews)
    180 Reviews
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    # Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #73,178 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

    # Format: Kindle Edition
    # File Size: 819 KB
    # Publisher: DUTTON ADULT (April 15, 2010)
    # Sold by: Penguin Publishing
    # Language: English
    # ASIN: B003NX7OL4
    # Average Customer Review: 2.1 out of 5 stars See all reviews (180 customer reviews)

    # Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #55,814 Paid in Kindle Store

  100. anitabee says:


    No way: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/07/luann-de-lesseps-enquirer-posts-luann-de-lesseps-housewives-lesbian-liplock/

    Yep…Discountess LuAnn not Discount-hag Danielle.

  101. jean weeks says:

    could some one please list all the sponsers we need to contact to get his bs off the air?c

    • I would like this info too. I have (at least) some of the sponsors for NY on my blog space, but don’t have NJ’s. If someone has this info readily available, I’d sure appreciate it too. I hate the thought of having to watch next Monday’s show to get the sponsors. If I had been smart, I’d have done so this past Monday’s episode.

    • kats2 says:

      I love this idea, I’m in. Maybe somene has it on tape and can tell us the sponsors?

  102. quincyillinois says:

    Danielle is in a financial pit. She tried to sing her way out, but Teresa, Jacqueline, and Andy made fun of her attempts. She tried to get the big new house from the modeling career of her child and we reminded her of the law and how the money earned by her daughter was not the money that Danielle could spend on herself. Perhaps, her intelligent daughter noticed that too.

    A lawyer comes along with an idea. Teresa and Ashley seem to be the targets, but they only have debt. I’m sure Teresa’s lawyer would love to add Danielle’s name to the creditors who will get nothing in that bankruptcy suit. Ashley can’t pay her phone bill so she won’t pay the money that Danielle requires. I’m sure the production company and Bravo have insurance policies. Danielle’s lawyer knows that too. He has the Bravo shows on tape.

    There have been celebrities that successfully sued the gossip magazines for lies that they felt harmed them. Bravo Andy and WWHL really give Danielle the finger week after week. It’s a stage for granny kitten boobs on Danielle’s body. Danielle won’t take that kind of disrespect. I think Andy is going to be really surprised when the lawyer starts looking at his words and behavior when it comes to Danielle. Andy hides his misogyny with a smile. Danielle is going to come out punching so Andy needs to watch what he happens to say.

  103. JazzNightOut says:

    Hope this is not a duplicate post. Re: Bethenny’s take on her future and reality TV.


  104. boston02127 says:

    Looks like Kelly woke up on the dumb side of the bed again today.

    Her tweet: i shave my legs everyday and use baby oil in the shower to get my legs shiny

    • Ellabean says:

      Oh my gawd. She does think that she is a lifestyle expert and her every move should be shared with us – the little people.

      Future Kelly tweet: Air is good – make sure you breathe every day.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Why is she trying soooooo hard to be in her teens??? What was all that noise about being a wonderful role model and woman and mother at 41? It is amazing that she equates shinny skin and greasy hair and shredded jeans and white peasant blouses as beautiful! Her biggest fear is that she is old and not weathering well – so she skips and hops and acts like a kid. Well someone needs to tell her that it is not working!

  105. error 404 says:


    “Winner of awards and nominations in 15 international film festival screenplay competitions, FREE SKATE by Caitlin McCarthy is a TV series about a teenage Olympic figure skater who joins a touring figure skating show, only to discover it’s MEAN GIRLS on ice! Currently at script stage.”

    Hmm… Mean Girls on Ice… Maybe Jill can audition for a role?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill has the “outfits” but if she falls on her ass then the ice will splinter and crack and the real skaters might get hurt!

  106. clevelandgirl says:

    I absolutely agree with all of the posters who feel the Bravo is exploiting women who may be mentally unstable (Kelly and Danielle). Further, I also am joining the group to boycott the DC Housewives show. I cannot support a show that encourages criminal behavior in these two nitwits.

    I have watched all of the seasons of all of the HW shows—I will finish this season of NJ, but am done watching this franchise (except for BGM). I cannot justify wasting anymore of my time watching these classless, fake women.

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