I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of DC August 26, 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin                   Real Housewives of DC/Housewives News  August 26, 2010

Lots and lots of news happening in the Housewives world’s.

First and foremost I want to Congratulate Alex McCord of the Real Housewives of New York on her new modeling contract, WOW that is so great and I’m so happy for her!!! 

Here’s the tweet that Alex sent:

Cat is out of the bag… SCOOP! #RHONY‘s @MccordAlex signs to New York Model Management @zap2it http://bit.ly/a6QXA2

I’m not surprised, Alex is so beautiful and she is so photo friendly, the photo on her People.com blog is absolutely stunning!  As the icing on the cake, this has to be just killing Kelly Bensimon (there you go Kelly, I spelled it right)  and Jill Zarin who are already jealous of the younger and more beautiful Alex!   Really Jill?  Alex has the body but not the face?  I think New York Model Management begs to differ, as do the rest of us! 

We have confirmation as well that all of the ladies of New York have been invited back for next season, I’m told filming will begin in 3 weeks or so.  While we don’t have confirmation that everyone has actually signed on the dotted line, I think it is safe to say that all documents will be signed, sealed and delivered before filming begins.  We can all hope that Jill is true to her word about refusing to return if Alex returns, but we all know Jill can’t turn down being on television!

Speaking of Jill, she has been filming an episode with her dog Ginger for “Its Me Or The Dog” for Animal Planet (some sort of training segment).  This show is produced by Shed Media who also produces Real Housewives of New York and Bethenny Getting Married? For Bravo. 

Jill’s assistant, Darryl tweeted a photograph of this filming and shortly thereafter deleted the tweet and the photograph.  Darryl then tweeted that he is “taking a break” from Twitter and doesn’t know whether or not he will return to Twitter.  Poor Darryl, he’s throwing himself on the grenade again and taking the blame for prematurely tweeting a photo of this filming when everyone knows he would never have done it without Jill’s blessing.  Shed Media obviously read Jill the riot act and she blamed her assistant.  You’re so transparent, Jill Zarin!

Read the complete story here:


Jill is obviously aware of her transparency and probably talked to the people at Shed Media, Animal Planet and a boat load of attorney’s, then tweeted this:

@JillZarin  We just finished spending 3 days with Victoria Stillwell @itsmeorthedog. Ginger is a new dog. Calm and happy. Like me! Hah! Follow her for great advice! http://twitpic.com/2ifopx

Jill also tweeted this:

@JillZarin  @JonathanCheban @SimonHuck finally watching show. Peeing in my pants. Laverne and shirley? Who is who? So funny! Call me.

Jill is referring to that HORRIBLE show on E! Channel about the PR guys Jonathan and Simon called “The Spin Crowd”.  Jill either has a sick sense of humor or she’s kissing their ass.  Typical Jill, PR guys should be kissing HER ass but she’s so low on the totem pole that she has to aspire to “D” list by trying to get these guys to work with her. 

Real Housewives of DC

I really do think this show is getting pretty darn good.  The problem, I don’t know who the heroine is and who the bad guy is.  It seems to change each week, all of the ladies have taken a turn at being the bitch of the episode. 

We don’t see a whole lot of Lynda this episode but the show opens with Lynda cooking breakfast for her children and her boyfriend.  I’m still not clear on the family dynamic, does Ebong live with Lynda?  Do all of her children live with their father or do some live with Lynda?  Lynda tells us that she’s looking for a house because she needs more room, she says that not all of her children reside with her full time.  I don’t know what that means specifically.  I do have to ask though, why was her 16-year old son wearing footie jammies?  In fact, was it too much to ask these kids to get dressed while Bravo is filming their family breakfast? 

Lynda has been the good guy and the bad guy, I don’t like her when she’s acting all high and mighty talking about inviting “2nd tier people” or when she’s being condescending and pretending to really care about Michaele and her weight loss.  Her nasty face and comments as she was leaving Paul’s birthday party was really infuriating.  This week, it was nice to see her cooking for her boyfriend and kids. 

Next we join the ladies at the opening of Ted and Jason’s hair salon.  I don’t know what Mary’s problem is, she was acting like a jealous high school kid when Ted didn’t rush over and greet her, which would have been rude since Ted was in the middle of a conversation with Michaele.  I don’t know what Mary was trying to say in her interviews about this situation, she was criticizing Michaele for “sponsoring” the Salon opening by providing wine, yet offered no alternative.  Michaele definitely has a larger than life personality and takes the spotlight wherever she goes, I think Mary is jealous of that character trait and wishes she could be more like Michaele, Mary seems sort of shy.  Mary talks about social climbing and integrity in DC, blah blah blah, sorry but DC is no better than the rest of the country, Mary! 

Clearly we are going to see something of substance in the story of Mary’s daughter Lolly because tonight’s scene between the two of them seemed like filler footage, until we see the previews for next week.  I guess we’ll have to wait to see what that is all about.

Stacie is having a nice visit with her old friends and sorority sisters from college, just when you think we’ll be seeing a nice, fun group enjoying a drink together, Stacie gets serious and tells her friends about finding her mother.  The big news, Stacie’s mother is white and is ashamed to have a daughter with a black man.  In my opinion, that is absolutely ridiculous in this day but without all the details, it’s tough to know what’s really happening with this mother of hers.  Why oh why though, wouldn’t you give Stacie the information on her father and let the chips fall where they may?  This man has a right to know that he has a child. The only thing I can think of is that Stacie’s mother is afraid her family will find out somehow if she gives Stacie the information on this man, not a valid excuse but there may be more to it, no way to know just yet.  

Stacie is the one housewife who has been in the “win” column every week so far, she has yet to offend or piss anyone off. 

Michael and Tareq have invited all of the ladies to their Oasis Winery for a grape stomping and we watch as Michaele calls Cat (uneventful) who accepts the invitation and then Michaele calls Lynda who says she would be there but prefers to save her time for people that she loves and cares about.  Hmmm, I thought Lynda’s comments about Michaele’s weight was because she loved and cared about her?  Lynda is like a night and day, but is absolutely in the “lose” column more than the “win”. 

 I respected that Lynda turned down the invitation to Oasis Vineyard from Michaele when she felt it would be hypocritical to go feeling the way she did about The Salahi’s.  I’m sure she knew that Bravo’s cameras would be rolling yet she chose to pass on the event anyway.   I really wish she wouldn’t have put on that fake nonsense about being happy to be invited, then coming back with nasty comments about Michaele but I’ll still put Lynda on the “win” side this week, but she’s walking on thin ice.

Mary is picking out furniture at another one of her “dearest friends” furniture store, and Cat is criticizing Mary’s choices and all of the furniture in the store.  I have to admit that the furniture that we did see looked very modern and pretty cool but I have to agree with Cat that it did not look comfortable.  Cat brought along Jason, Ted’s partner in the Salon that opened earlier in the episode.  Jason tells the story of Michaele and Tarek inviting him and Ted to the Congressional Black Caucus dinner at the White House.  The story is fascinating for several reasons and probably a story that the Secret Service would like to hear more about.  Best we can tell, there was an invitation but was for one person only and after arriving Michaele and Tarek instruct Jason and Ted on how to finagle a seat at the dinner. 

What I don’t understand is if the four of them arrived together and the Secret Service escorted The Salahi’s out, why was Jason and Ted allowed to stay?  More importantly, how did the Salahi’s get back in if they were thrown out?  None of it makes any sense and you have to wonder how much of the story is true.  I wonder if it’s true, if you pretend to belong and act like you belong, if you’ve got the confidence and ability to pull it off, you can get into any place.  In the end it all seems pretty fishy! 

As the group rides in the limo they again discuss the White House dinner and the Turner’s are appropriately horrified when they hear, but Stacie, it isn’t any more offensive to African American’s then it is to the rest of us American’s! 

The group gets a voice mail from Tarik Salahi giving them instructions on how to get into the vineyard because security had to be called due to the legal issues with Tarik’s mother.  Sounds like a fun family! 

I think that Cat and Stacie over-reacted to the security, once again, they weren’t there to harm the guests but to protect them from the press, what actually appeared to be one guy with a camera.  We learned all about the legal issues between Tarik and his mother in a previous blog so I won’t go into it, not relevant to tonight’s episode. 

Mary seems unphased by the security but does tell us that she is only attending this event at the winery to see what is going on out there, being nosey Mary?  She then tells us she’s not surprised by the Salahi’s behavior sneaking into the White House because, “that’s how they roll”.  Mary has a huge hard on for Michaele and isn’t afraid to show it.  Here’s my theory, Mary grew up with the elite of Washington DC and even bragged about visiting the Kennedy compound as a child.  As an adult, she is left to resort to becoming a Bravo Housewife and Michaele, who used to do Mary’s make up at Nordstrom, is now equal to or past Mary’s “status” in DC and it is killing her!  I’m not condoning what the Salahi’s did in crashing White House dinners, however, these are events that they did in fact attend and events that Mary wasn’t invited to and missed out on. 

The Salahi’s are clearly taking life by the balls and living it up at every opportunity, they’re jumping out there, taking risks and now have memories that will last a lifetime.  Again, they certainly don’t have to break the law to do it, but the fact remains, they’re doing it and I think it is killing Mary that she doesn’t have the balls to do the same. 

Cat needs a smack across the face, no doubt about it.  She arrives at the Oasis Winery with an attitude and isn’t going to be happy until she pisses someone off!  She questions the security and she doesn’t like the fact that Tarek has a whistle, she calls him controlling, she accuses them of lying about the grapes being from the vines or from the grocery store.  Really, who cares?  Thank you Mary for that comment.  Jason had to leave and to everyone’s relief, (including mine)  Cat leaves with him.  Stacie’s husband said it best in his interview, “Cat was being a bitch!”

Mary and Stacie confront Michaele about “sneaking into” the White House dinner and they all seem to agree that no one gets into the White House without an invitation.  Mary and Michaele begin to talk about Lynda and the comments that Lynda made about Michaele being too thin and sickly. 

Mary tells Michaele that she was inappropriate for bringing it up at the Birthday party.  Mary goes on to say that Lynda has Michaele’s best interests at heart and loves and adores Michaele.  Even Stacie who isn’t involved in this situation is shaking her head because she knows the truth! 

Remember folks, Mary doesn’t have a “best friend”, she only has “dear friends”.  Whatever Mary!   Have another cocktail!

So Mary is in the Lose, Michaele flipped into the Win, Stacie is still in the Win, Cat definitely is a big LOSE this week and Lynda could have fallen either way this week but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and put her into the win this week. 

I would like to add that I do not in any way associate Cat’s rudeness with her being from England.  She had a lot of nerve saying “just because you’re American, could we have some manners” when she is surrounded by Americans.  The British have this reputation for being snotty and rude and unfortunately Cat is adding fuel to that fire but it just isn’t true!  They are well-mannered and very welcoming people overall.  Cat is an exception to the rule! 

The previews for next week show some sort of scandal  involving Mary’s daughter Lolly, we see an ambulance and even Sarah Palin, it looks pretty good, and I’m looking forward to it. 

Until Next Time…..

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628 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of DC August 26, 2010

  1. Pantry Viewer says:

    I cannot stand Lynda. That awful plastic surgery face and judgmental attitude turn me off. And when she’s being sweety/nice, it seems so fake to me.

    I like Stacy, but don’t like how things get turned so quickly to perceived racism. Flame away if you feel the need. She makes me laugh and seems the most fun and self-aware, except for that one thing.

    Mary seemed drunk often to me last night.

    • Snarkella says:

      Thanks for the blog Lynn! I thought last night’s episode was a lot of fun (drama) and couldn’t wait to see what you would have to say about it. I agree with Pantry Viewer about Lynda though. Even when she’s “acting” nice, it comes across as very fake.

  2. Had Enough! says:


    I don’t want to spoil it for anyone, so if your life revolves around hearing Tareq’s accusation, don’t read that article. Suffice to say, the promo is misleading. What a shock that must be to all of you.

  3. emt2 says:

    Great blog, Lynn!

    I was looking at early pics of Mary on the Bravo site and it seems that she was always kinda chunky, nerdy, “unattractive” (even though I think she is very pretty and has great hair and fashion style). I think that she has a lot of jealousy issues and loves to be the one who can pull strings/connect people, etc. Kind of like Jill Zarin but not as bad. She is either taking pills and mixing them with alcohol or she is almost always drinking/slightly drunk. It’s sad to watch because it seems like she has a great family, a beautiful home, interesting hobbies and charities but you can tell in her eyes that she is dissatisfied, unhappy and overly sensitive. As someone mentioned earlier, there’s a problem if you can’t get through a family portrait without a bottle of wine! Her need to be built up all the time, fawned over and reassured of her position is starting to look kind of desperate (a la Kelly).

    I like Stacie and her family. They are easy to relate to, and nice and give off genuinely warm vibes. I feel so badly (said purposefully a la Kelly the Kelamity) that she was a horrible secret for both her biological parents, being given up for adoption, being a complete mystery to her father. Despite that, though, she seems to be very level headed, warm and accomplished.

    Michaele and her husband are two peas in a pod. At first I thought Tariq was the only culprit but after yesterday it’s clear that she has no qualms about doing morally wrong things and has a certain sense of entitlement.

    Cat was right that the store bought grapes was bullocks but she had a lot of nerve saying that Tareq was being a rude American. Hypocrite! But, I agreed with everything she said/observed.

    Security at the vineyard was to monitor/intimidate the Salahis and their guests, not to keep out reporters. Such a lie. lol I would have been weirded out too if my hosts tell me to go in through the back entrance and to ignore the intimidating security guards who were called by the estranged mother. Such nonsense.

  4. Katie says:

    One possible explanation for why Stacy’s mom refuses to disclose the identity of the father, is that the pregnancy could have been the result of a sexual assault. Perhaps, she doesn’t know who he is.

    Also at truelifediva, I saw your post yesterday and I was shocked that no one responded to it. I will not pretend to know the frustration you felt, but I am happy that you were able to vent and share your experience. It helps make everyone more aware.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Katie, I agree with you totally and I apologize to TrueLifeDiva for not having responded. I think there is a generation thing/background thing maybe going on. We say things that we intend to mean one thing, but someone with a different perspective will read them a different way entirely. I cried when I read TrueLife Diva’s rant. It hurts me so much to admit that this country still has racism, that we still notice the color of someone’s skin. Things have changed enormously since I was growing up, in terms of both professional and social integration. The anti-miscegenation laws were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, we had Little Rock and Boston, we had the Freedom Rides. We have elected a black man as president. Though I am disappointed at how things are turning out – seems he doesn’t walk on water after all – my heart is still joyful that he was elected at all. Things definitely are better, but we still have a long way to go. I hope that in what is left of my lifetime, there will come a time when no one even notices the color of someone else’s skin.

      TrueLifeDiva – I hope you stay here. I apologize for not having responded and acknowledging your hurt and the shame that this conversation should even have to be happening.

      • Katie says:

        Hi had enough. Just wanted to say that your words are sincere and kind. I didn’t mean to impose but I wanted to acknowledge her frustration and hurt, which obviously is the result of years spent dealing with this issue. I am younger, and I appreciated the opportunity to be reminded of an important issue that fly below my radar because it isn’t something I am privy to often.

      • anniieee says:

        I hope in my lifetime..we wont even THINK about color..we are all part of one race… The human race.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      For what ever reason Stacie’s birth mother gave her up – it was her decision. For what ever reason she refuses to share the birth father’s information is again her decision too and she may be protecting Stacie from a very unpleasant situation. Mothers give their children up for many reasons but I believe they are courageous and want their children to have a better life than they could give them.
      My youngest son is adopted, I have told him all I can about his birth mother. What she told me about his birth father would only hurt him and he would carry that hurt his entire life – so while I understand Stacie’s frustration, it was and is not now her decision to make.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      I responded to @truelifediva this morning, and just checked- there were a few more responses left.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      Didn’t Stacie say that her mother told her that he was Nigerian and older than her? It could very well be that her birth mother being pregnant by a black man, in the late 60’s, was very taboo in her family.

      • Katie says:

        Is it all speculation. The mother may have told her that she didn’t want her family to find out that she had a baby, but doesn’t she run the risk that her family will find out because
        she told Stacy?

        Emt2 may be correct that the mother simply did not want to deal with the responsibility and backlash. But there may be other reasons why she would conceal his identity other than trying to protect her reputation. 

        • Quincy IL says:

          I think Stacy is a little older than my biracial nieces. They were born in 78 and 81. It wasn’t easy back then. I was there and there were racial remarks. My older niece is in the Navy and she just loved Seatlle because there were many mixed kids there in the area and in the service.

          At the risk of being slammed here, I would guess that most African Americans like Michele Obama are like Stacy with a touch of Caucasian Ancestry. Looking at my nieces, my brother in law’s family and ours thought the kids showed that unknown ancestry when they were born.

          I love all people. I adore my brand new.. 3 month old niece who is 3/4 black. I want to be the best grand aunt in the entire world so I am buying gifts and spoiling her and her cousins non stop.

          It’s better now than when I was young and it will get better every year. By the time we get to the Star Trek Star dates, our biggest problems with the the Blue Aliens with antenae. Step back… open your hearts… be kind…

          • anniieee says:

            WE are MONOCHROMATIC…One color many different shades and tints…. If you take brown and add white… no matter how much white you add… there is still brown… if you take brown and add black… no matter how much black you add..we still have brown in it. WE are all the same color.. brown… just different shades (add black) or tints (add white). we need to just realize we are all one race.. HUMAN

          • Kat says:

            No slam from me. Race is a cultural construct. When you get down to the basics I feel we are all the same.
            I was reading about Ashby Pleck and Eugenics, and Carrie Buck. I had NO idea our history included this crap.
            But people through time evolve and ideas change as knowledge grows. And the pendulum swings.

            I can’t wait to meet the Blue Aliens! Maybe they can teach me to astro-project.

      • Maxine49 says:

        Stacie said that her mother, who was from a German immigrant family, was in the Peace Corp in Africa and her father, who was Nigerian, was the instructor/trainer for the group. When she got pregnant, the Peace Corp sent her home to the USA. The father does not know of her existence. I would think that it might be possible to search Peace Corp records for the name of the instructors…a long shot, but might lead to some information.

    • Blue Sky says:

      I went back to see what @TrueLifeDiva wrote on the previous blog, and I think it really is hard to be non-white in America, even today. My husband is not white, he’s from south India. Our son is adopted, from India, and is quite dark (he’s also charming, handsome & the light of our lives). I could give you countless examples of racism, but here’s a few. In Switzerland, I was treated so well, until my husband would appear, and then…what a total change in how the waitress/waiter/whatever person treated us. My husband has said many times, while completing his ph. D at a large midwestern university, that he doubts if he could have done it, if he had been born in this country and treated the way he was while working on his ph. D there. He’s very light skinned, so it doesn’t matter to some racists – you’re just not white enough no matter what.

      Our son has lots of friends, they are all white, and mostly Italian, like the town we live in. He gets called N###r all the time. At first, our reaction was really harsh, I even talked to his friends, who were calling him this. Their take is that it is “affectionate.” I am still horrified, and don’t like it.

      My father did love my husband dearly, but when we had decided to get married, he warned me that we would face discrimination. My response was I would welcome discrimination, because that would enable me to identify the people I don’t want in our lives because of their racism a little faster.

      We have had a wonderful multi-cultural life, and I wouldn’t change a thing. It’s been grand. @TrueLifeDiva, you have to continue to voice your opinions here, and make this blog the better for your presence.

      • Kat says:

        I too hope @TrueLifeDiva continues to post.
        I really like this community.

      • Realife says:

        Blue Sky, I must comment. Contrary to what many people think, (Dr. Schlessinger, take heed); this belief that all black people use the n word as a term of affection is not true!! I was born in the 50’s and we were not allowed to call one another this crude name and could very well be punished. I don’t even remember my friends and acquaintances using this word as we were growing up. To this day, I don’t have friends or acquaintance that use that word in day to day conversation. Yes, we heard it but you must understand that what you see on TV is merely a writer’s interpretation of how they imagine all blacks interact with one another. The same goes for the rap vernacular which is really a vulgar form of expression used by a subculture that I doesn’t represent your mainstream Afro-American.

        If your son’s white friends are calling him this offensive name I, personally don’t believe it is a term of affection. They are pulling the wool over your eyes.

        • Blue Sky says:

          We all flipped out about this n-word issue (me, my husband, the parents of the kids that were calling my son this) and we talked to the kids a lot. I think it’s because they are all obsessed with Little Wayne & other rappers. It’s very upsetting to me, & I’m not done trying to stop it.

          I noticed that on his facebook, he’s using “sniggy” as part of his name. Really I don’t know if he just thinks we (my generation) are too hung up on the n-word, while he & his friends think it’s cool to use it. This is suburban NJ where we live, in a rich community. There are Blacks here too, but just a few (can count them on one hand). So the kids are “wannabees gangstas” listening to all the rap they can, esp. Little Wayne.

      • Kat says:

        @Blue Sky~I have to add if our teenager called anyone the N word for any reason … well he just wouldn’t do it. He has been taught there is no acceptable use for the word. He attends public school, has a diverse group of friends and I’ve not heard it used among them.
        When he describes his friends he never uses race as a description. I would be very leery of any kid using that term.
        It’s sad to read that this is happening and acceptable in your area.

  5. shamrockblonde says:

    thanks Lynn for a great blog! – as I don’t watch the DC women, I get my info on the show from you and it saves me having to get annoyed at night!! Snobs come in all colors, religions and nationalities – Cat would be rude and witchy in any color, religion or nationality – is it is simply, her nature – unfortunate – for everyone but also herself – people like that very often find themselves very old and very alone –

    thanks again for the blog! – have a great weekend all!!

    p.s. – thanks Squirrels for saying how cute Ryan is – he will be 10 months old on the 29th and is walking all over the place – nothing makes my world right as much as one of his smiles –

  6. Char212 says:

    Didn’t Stacie say that she thinks her mother doesn’t want her family to know that she slept with a black man and has a child by him? That’s the impression I got.

    Cat has been rude to someone in every episode so far so she’s definitely in the lose column for me too. She’s almost like Kelly with the you’re down here and I’m up there attitude.

    I believe Lynda explained why the kids were in their onsies on her Bravo blog. It seems they do that when they all get together. I guess they think it’s cute. I’m still on the fence with her. Not sure if I like her or not.

    Micheale does seem to be a happy go lucky person and really does want to be friends with everyone but she tries to hard imo. Taraq is bore.

    I’m also on the fence with Mary. There’s something about her I like but whether she wants to admit it or not…she does talk about people. Didn’t they say that whatever the scandal is with her daughter that the CIA is investigating?

    • emt2 says:

      I agree with you about Stacie. I don’t think she was conceived from a sexual assault. Most likely, the parents had a brief love affair and she became pregnant and didn’t want to deal with the backlash or the responsibility.

    • tuzentswurth says:

      Nobody but Stacie’s mother knows why she won’t divulge the father’s info. IMO, a mother that carries a baby to term and gives that baby up for adoption does so as part of a very difficult and heart wrenching decision that the child will be provided a much better life than with the birth mother. I don’t think we should speculate or judge Stacie’s birth mother, nor should Stacie assume things. Stacie seems to have been well raised and well educated. Her birth mother agreed to contact with Stacie. I think Stacie is wrong to assume the issue is about race. Could be, could be not.

    • Maxine49 says:

      Does anyone think it is weird how Michaele runs up to everyone and aggressively hugs them and immediately says ” love you”? I mean who does that..to everyone all the time…it’s so hollow and desperate…and just plain foolish.

  7. Melodye mumma says:

    I have to disagree with you that Brits are welcoming and well mannered people. I just got back from visiting my daughter who lives in england. The only friendly people we incountered was in church. My daughter has been made fun of, laughted at and told to go home many times. Brits do not like Americans!! They have a very dry sense of humor and think their way is the only proper way. Cat is your average Brit!

    • Snarkella says:

      I’m going to agree with you Melodye, even if I get a bashing for it. It’s never nice to paint an entire nation with a single brush, but in general, in my experience with my husband’s English family and friends, I’ve run into many Cats. Even my in-laws who adore me, take swipes at Americans in front of me. And I was shocked on one of my visits to England when a couple of newscasters on the evening news started making petty jokes about Americans. Not all the English are so rude, but it would be easier to make a list of those who haven’t offended me.

      • Blue Sky says:

        are the Brits jealous of Americans? The few times that I’ve been to the UK we met some nasty, as well as nice…no worse or better than New York city.

        • Snarkella says:

          I would rather have someone be outright nasty to me. Then we know where we both stand and I can respond in kind. I hate it when they are so friendly and nice to me, but at the same time look down on and laugh at Americans in front of me.

          • Quincy IL says:

            I had a Naturalized French citizen friend that went to France with American in laws. The French store clerks called the Americans fat and insulted them out loud, but in French, with smiles. The French American sister in law asked to see the manager and told her everything. She would not let the wealthy Americans buy anything from the store and made sure the manager knew she stopped the sales in progress.

    • kit says:

      Absolutely agree. Cat is a typical Brit. I’ve met many many British Cats. They are reflexively antiAmerican and delight in trashing Americans to their faces. They have a list of antiAmerican lines that the all regurgitate as if reading from the same book. Hilariously, they are also actually very ignorant of America and Americans and their criticisms are easy to counter once you’ve heard them over and over. At first, I never said anything back-in shock at such unprovoked hostility. But, trust me, throw it back at them and watch them try to sputter out a comeback but since their knowledge base of the US is paper thin, they crumple fast. Tell your daughter not to take their crap and throw the insults right back.

      • Squirrels says:

        Cat’s just still pissed they lost the Revolutionary War.


        • Quincy IL says:

          Cat is not a good person. She had an affair with a married man while her husband and father of her two little girls was working and providing her with a good living. She then had “really” inappropriate relationships. She didn’t care about who she hurt in her real life. She only cares about her own feelings. She is hurt when someone says she is acting bitchy. She is hurt when someone notices that she is insensitive to racial issues. It’s all about cat.

          I read that Cat’s father made quite a bit of money so I think she grew up priviledged. Who cares about her behavior in England? Who cares about Cat at all? I read that the book is on hold. Who, in America, is going to spend a dime learning about Cat?

  8. BKA amia009 says:

    Well Im glad the RHODC inst so boring now as it was the first couple episodes. BUT the link to get the rest of the story about Jill links it to another recap of the DC episode not about the Jill incident. (just to let you know )
    I am offended in Cat’s comment to Tareq “I know ur American but something dont be rude” what ever what was exactly said,, HOW DARE HER? Are you kidding me? If us Americans are so rude go back to England and show off your Joe Biden pics over tea w/ your British friends. I hate when foreigners WHO MOVED HERE MIND YOU, have the nerve to talk about our culture (which I really don’t think we have one compared to most countries so that another reason why its called America We ARE FREE) how great their country is etc. THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE? GO BACK TO GREECE, UK, ITALY where ever you all come from if your country is so great and ours is SO BAD!. Kudos to Michale’s’ assistant for telling Cat off! The only thing I agree w/ what Cat said was Tareq is a control freek. Think about it, He always has to dominate the situation or conversation, he has a whistle when around friends? there was only 5 of them? Do you really need a whistle to get control?
    I love the comment Mary says the owner of the furniture store is owned by her best friend then tells Michale she doesn’t have best friends she has dearest friends. . Mary sure does seem (IS) jealous. I know she went from straight up geek to semi sheek (see her past photos YIKES OMG) Something seems suspicious about the Black Caucus Dinner though on both sides of the stories that were told, guess we’ll find out one day maybe. One more thing? Why does Mary feel the need to continue to bring up about Michale past jobs being a make up artist and worked at Nordstrom? Not all of us had the luxury to grow up the way she did (I dont know if I should call it a luxury seeing how Mary’s attitude is now as an adult). At least she used to work.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I’ve been to London 4 times and have met nothing, but very nice, very courteous to me while I was there. Brits can be very stiff upper lip, but on the whole not rude at all. In fact, while in London the rudest person I met was a fellow American who pushed me out of the way to look at post cards in the St. Paul’s gift shop.

      I have friends from the UK who live her in the US and Cat is definitely the exception and not the rule.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Cat would be rude no matter what country she comes from! She strikes me as insecure and trying to maintain a facade of what she thinks upper crust Britians would act like.

    • alicia says:

      I worked as a make-up artist in college- I made $15 an hour plus parking. Not a bad gig in college, it beat working as a waitress !

      • Tam5115 says:

        Really? Don’t knock the server gig. 30.00 an hour at times. 😛

        • alicia says:

          In Boca Raton(where I attended college) my friend waitressed and it was horrible.You were either dealing w/ old, fussy people or coked- out guys in the clubs. That’s why I chose working as a make-up artist. Nothing wrong with earning an HONEST living as a waitress or makeup artist. Better than grifting people, which many of the housewives seem adept at…

  9. BKA amia009 says:

    Oh one more thing what does the “Bullocks mean” lol that Cat kept saying? Did I miss something?

  10. Had Enough! says:

    Can you take more Salahi slime?

    Her friend Teresa Foss Conlan (one of the trio who defended the Salahis on Larry King after the WH party crashing) works for David Yurman, an expensive jewelry store.

    Guess what? Michaele Salahi also wore expensive David Yurman jewelry to the event; reportedly, a Washington-area store lent her the bracelets and rings, in total worth $30,000, and needed three attempts to retrieve them.

    Good work, Tess. And you are still defending this grifter in the Washington Examiner. Do you have a screw loose?

    It looks like Casey Morgenau, the realtor whose license was suspended due to ethical violations, backed out of the deal to buy the Oasis. The Salahis met a a party at his house. “When I looked at the disarray of the property and vines, and looked at the financials, I said, ‘Tareq, you can’t make this work. You couldn’t pay the rent. You’d be defaulting to me, and we wouldn’t be friends’.” Now, the financials would have all been laid out in the bankruptcy filing, and surely he’d seen the property … so what is the REAL story here?

    • Blue Sky says:

      My guess is real estate is continuing to decline, and the property is now worth less than what Morgenau was willing to pay. In order for all the liens (businesses, contractors, etc. can file a lien on a property, when their goods/services have not been paid for and God knows there is a looonnnggg list of creditors after the Slimy Salahis!) to fall off, the property should go thru the full foreclosure process, and be sold at the sheriff’s sale. Perhaps Morgenau is starting to realize what a BIG mistake it would be to buy the property, and then have Salahi run it. Would you trust these slimy people? IIRC the Morgenau story was covered in the Washington Post. Very informative to read about the slimys in the Washington Post!

  11. shamrockblonde says:

    Bullocks is an english term – kind of like saying “oh crap” here – and I have been to England many times – my brother lived there for three years and did not encounter one single person who insulted any of us for being Americans – were some rude? Of course!!!! – but they were that way to everyone, we were not singled out – sorry your daughter had a bad experience, but making blanket statements like that is a dangerous thing to do –

    • jezzibel says:

      you tend to get a mixed bag reaction from the English for being American. Some have no idea beyond how we are represented on telelvision/media what americans are like in general.

      • jezzibel says:

        and others are incredibly friendly.(got sidetracked and posted my comment before I was finished)

        I had read this story a while ago about a man who had his cousin over from Wales to visit their family in florida, and the gentelman in question annouced at breakfast one morning he was going to take a day trip over to see the Grand Canyon..”should be back around supper”.

        • Snarkella says:

          I never meant to imply they aren’t friendly. All of my husband’s family and friends have been very friendly and kind to me. Maybe I am being too sensitive. But even the nice ones say stupid things like, “Well, normally I wear a large, but since I’m in America I better take the XS. Hhahahahaha.” “American’s probably don’t know this, but they put sugar in American milk.” And my husband’s darling uncle, who I adore, goes around saying, “hot diddily doo” when he visits, because he thinks all Americans are part of the Beverly Hillbilly Clan. Kind of like when Cat and her family laughed about everyone carrying banjos. All petty stuff I know, but they do pile on.

          • jezzibel says:

            I can imagine it does wear on you, after awhile, I think I reached my snappish point when I was asked for the billionth time if I wanted to go to McDonalds, I’m pretty sure I said something along the lines of “I don’t $*(&$!)$* eat McDonalds in my own #@$)(*$#$_)($!@*( country, so why would I %%&$)!*(%$#*%!)*(& want to have it a %%%&*@()*% different %*&_*(%_)(%# country”..just with more curse words

            • Snarkella says:

              Just thought of another ridiculous example. The list could go on forever but here’s one. My father-in-law once told me, in all seriousness and with good intention, that Americans should listen to the BBC news so that we can learn to speak English properly. He informed me that people do this in other parts of the world with good results.


              • jezzibel says:

                Funny thing about that, I grew up in Europe(before the internet and cable, digital tv) and I grew up watching BBC sitcoms (Mr. Bean, Fawlty Towers, Are you Being Served?, I didn’t watch it so I could learn to speak English, but I watched it because it was the only channel not in spanish.

          • Quincy IL says:

            Look at the British comedy shows. Their sense of humor is a little different.

            My Iranian nephew is going to be a British citizen soon. He’s been going to their version of OB/Gyne residency. From what I hear, Americans are more friendly than the British.

            Everyone has cultural behaviors. I was on the beach in St. Petersburg when an Australian couple came next to me and took off all of their clothes. I whispered that I thought the Puritans were watching and they laughed and put their swim suits back on. We had a wonderful time. Just try to be open and smile. It really does break down barriers.

          • kit says:

            These are perfect examples of the ignorance I talked about in an upthread comment. They really can be completely clueless. But, what really annoys is they say these absurd things with authority-like they really know what they’re talking about when they are as dumb as posts. Ex, Brits love to jab Americans about obesity but their own obesity rates are awful as well.

        • Char212 says:

          I read somewhere that the state of Florida is bigger the the entire country of England so I can see why he thought he could go see the Grand Canyon and be back by supper. Cute story.

        • alicia says:

          Too funny !

        • kit says:

          lol! I’ve heard very similar stories. A brit worked in my vet’s office and was planning a trip by car and was floored when we told him, given where he wanted to go, that he’d be lucky to get out the state in one day.

      • Jen says:

        But it goes the other way too- some Americans think all Brits are snotty, have bad teeth and drink a lot or the French are all rude or the Irish all drink or Russians live on potatoes….

        My point is Americans generalize too

        • kit says:

          The difference is, in my experience, an American won’t march up to a Brit and rub their generalizations in the poor Brit’s face.

        • ramona_coaster says:

          That’s true. I’ve been on group trips to Europe and as soon as they’ve arrived they make generalizations such as “the germans and austrians are so clean, no humor, and strict.”

        • Maxine49 says:

          But the Brits all do have bad teeth! LOL! My close friend from London always says “Oh you Americans and your obsession with your teeth and your braces!” She’s a hoot!

  12. WindyCityWondering says:

    Truth be told, I am fine with Bethenny not coming back to RHONY, but not with the whole “she was not invited back” remark.
    How do any of them know what Bethenny and Bravo discussed? It would be wicked good fun if Bethenny did talking heads and really let her snark flag fly….she could still be the “star” of the show and Jill would act out accordingly!

    • dumberries says:

      Agree with you Windy. “Not invited back” makes me think the stories we’ve seen about Season 4 casting are coming from other HWs. Whether she returns or not, B will likely set the record straight when she makes her announcement.

  13. Scorpiosue1102 says:

    I have to say that I am enjoying the DC version so far.

    I really like Stacie and I truly feel for her struggle regarding her birth mother. I got a little teary eyed when she said something like “I’m not a problem. I’m a person.”

    Lynda is a puzzle especially concerning Michaele. I think she may care about what happens to her, but she is not going to deal with her tool husband and by extension Michaele. I think almost everyone has had one of those friends/acquaintances.

    Mary seems to be nice enough. I think she like the gossip and drama yet she doesn’t want to be the one saying (though just last week she mentioned the whole Paul party thing). She’ll sure listen to it though. I’m not ready to call her a drunk. It’s a pretty harsh statement if it is not true.

    Cat…hmmmm. I think she’s incredibly rude, BUT she seems to say what others think yet are too polite to say i.e. the stupid, controlling whistle of Tareq’s. He was controlling and a jack ass. Does she have to say anything? No.

    The Salahi’s, I mention them together because Michaele can’t be 50 feet away from her handler, are broke, litigious, show off’s. I do not like either one. If anyone should be questioned about what they are on is Michaele. She is waaaaay too peppy to be real. And her hair….just gross…like straw. They keep talking about this winery and how they won in court blah, blah, blah. They forget to mention that Tareq ran the winery into bankruptcy. Cars bought with winery money is ludicrous. Don’t forget the 30 or so lawsuits against them. Heck, they were served at a viewing party of RHODC. They live high off the hog, yet have no money. I have absolutely no use for them and they deserve to be in the grifter column along with the Giudice’s.

    • jennifer says:

      Agree with you about Mary- I wanted to like her at first but now she is turning me off….Cat too. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but now she just seems so rude….

      I don’t love Michaele (or however you spell it) but I think everyone thought she’d be the “villian” and honestly I am just not getting that vibe. I think the other girls are hoping it’ll come off 4 on 1 (a la NJ) but these other chicks aren’t that great and seomtimes seems more of a “villian” then Michaele…..

  14. Maite1964 says:

    I just love this show. I think the fact that everybody takes turns to be the bad guy makes it really interesting. It’s really fun to watch. Although I would never put Michaela in the “win” … for me she is a translucent manipulative hypocrite the kind of person that will kiss and stab you at the same time if it works to her advantage and then look you in the eyes and say “OMG was not my intension I will never try to hurt you”. Mary seems to me like a passive aggressive B, I think she is the wild card here because Lynda & Cat are openly big Bs. While Stacie might take an entire season to take sides if she ever does. In my opinion the show is a step up from the trashy NJ version.

    • dumberries says:

      I agree Maite, it’s a refreshing change from the NJ train wreck. Imo, it’s more interesting to watch these women than the over-the-top Altanta HWs as well (excluding Kandi).

  15. jennifer says:


    Teresa is delusional…it’s on tape …she started the physical attacked, she was not atatcked first…She is a liar and a fraud and guess what i now hate her more then Kill? Yep, that is right I am saying it…I hate Teresa more then Jill and more then Krazy Kellybean….

    • Katie says:

      I agree with you. *duck and cover*

    • jennifer says:

      lol… Thanks Katie!

      also I meant Jill, wrote Kill…typo, I’m keeping it 🙂 Still seems to apply!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Teresa doesn’t seem to understand that some questions are not attacking her but are meant to gain the truth. She clearly subscribes to the school of yell the loudest and foulest and charge your opponent when you don’t get the desired results.

    • Tam5115 says:

      “I didn’t mean to shove Andy,” Giudice told Us without explaining further. “I love Andy.” Of her other histrionics during the special, she said: “When I’m attacked, I attack back. I don’t like to be held back or touched…Listen, I know how to control myself. Just don’t hold me back!”

      She does NOT know how to control herself. I’ve never seen her able to control herself. she may not have meant to push andy, but she DID push Andy. The woman makes me insane! I mean really, she makes me so angry, I may not be able to control myself. I may push her back. LOL

    • krone says:

      I’m with you Jennifer. I still hate JZ but detest Terrorista. She’s a miserable (& dangerous) human being, horrific mother and lousy spouse. She’s totally self absorbed,-raising feral children and either completely unaware of Juicy’s stress,(financial I assume), or just doesn’t give a damn. My fondest desire is to see her living in one of those apartments that she and Juicy are going to rent out. I’m sure they won’t be “cleansy ” enough for her but maybe she can train the feral kids to clean up a bit.

  16. Blue Sky says:

    I remember watching a very informative interview on MSNBC or maybe CNN about the Black Caucus crashing – allegedly! They had one of the people responsible for kicking the Slimys to the curb, and what he said was that they sat at a table that was not reserved for them. When they could not produce any invitations, they were escorted to the exit. So whatever story the slimys are spinning, they indeed did not have any right to be at the venue. Even if they had one invitation – ahem, uh-huh! – they were supposed to be with that person, not coming in via the kitchen door, and not with an additional 3 people! After all that has been reported about these people, do you think anyone in DC would ever invite them, or give them any credence?


    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      There’s an article here about it too:

      The main point:
      “In a similar incident a month before, the Salahis sneaked in through a back entrance to a Congressional Black Caucus Foundation Awards dinner at which Obama spoke. A guest complained that the couple didn’t belong at his table.

      “I double-checked my (guest) list and when they weren’t on that list we escorted them out,” a foundation representative, Lance Jones, said in an interview early Tuesday.”

      THEN on Michaele’s blog she says:
      Jason Backe and Ted Gibson told me at Mary’s Birthday party that they really wanted to come to the Congressional Black Caucus fundraiser that would be attended by President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama. They asked if I could help them attend because it was their dream to see the President of the United States in person. I phoned our entertainment attorney, Paul Gardner, who had invited us. Our attorney stated to me that he was able to also get them tickets to attend as his guests. The night was fun with a little drama… more to tell on this soon!

      It has become obvious that Jason Backe enjoys acting. His story of the events at the Park party last episode, and now during the evening of the Congressional Black Caucus contained major inaccuracies, even though it was somewhat entertaining to listen to. Bottom line: at no time did the “Secret Service” escort us out of the Congressional Black Caucus! Just breakin’ it REAL.

      No, the Secret Service didn’t, but someone else did! All little half truths to make it seem like she IS telling the truth. I guess if you tell the same untrue story enough times you start to think it really is the truth.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        a whole lot of half truths will never equal a real truth….again we have a housewife who will lose fans as she continues to be dishonest!

        What four housewives would you pick to play liar’s poker?

        • Blue Sky says:

          They all lie so much that it’s hard to pick an honest one (maybe Alex, she’s comes across as trustworthy to me) but the rest…tough call. Bethenny is honest, but she looks out for herself first & foremost. Wouldn’t trust any of ’em really!

  17. vilzvet says:

    I have to skip over the DC blog and comments…I still have yet to watch it…I plan to today. I have 5 teenage boys sleeping over tonite for a birthday celebration, so heaven help me. As far as Jill working with Victoria Stillwell on “It’s Me Or The Dog”, that is actually a fascinating show! I’ve watched it for years! She came over here last year I believe from England to start taping shows with Americans and their problem dogs. This is only GOOD news for the troublesome Ginger!

    • Had Enough! says:

      It’s Shrill who needs the training, IMHO! She didn’t listen to anything the last trainer told her. Ginger isn’t the problem.

      As for the sleep-over, quick! Run out and get some SGM!

      • vilzvet says:

        I hope I can! I’ve been cooking all day: sloppy joes in the slow cooker, cream cheese brownies, sweetie pies (pudding filled baked pies), chicken wings, tricolor pasta salad. I did buy an ice cream cake. I’m done!!!!!!! And yes, on the doggie show Victoria does advise the owners on how to correct the mistakes their dogs have picked up along the way. Wonder if they’re going to touch on Ginger’s unhousebrokenness!! That did seem to be the dog’s main problem.

      • Tam5115 says:

        Yep, Jill’s the problem. she really needs Cesar Millan, The Dog Whisperer. Of course she wouldn’t follow the program and Cesar would have to put her in the “fail” column.

  18. TrueLifeDiva says:

    First let me thank everyone who responded to my post yesterday. Even the ones who didn’t understand where I’m coming from were polite and that’s all I ask for.
    Now, about last nights show. I am 40yrs old and I asked my mom for footie pajamas for christmas this year. She sent two pairs of the gaudiest ones she could find! One is pink/purple plaid w/silver lame stars 😉 . I think Lynda’s son just reduced his dating pool greatly by showing up on camera dressed that way.
    I have not liked Cat very much in previous episodes. She seems to think americans are beneath her and makes everyone uncomfortable with her brassy attitude. However, the table grapes at the “stomp” was the pink elephant in the vineyard and I LMAO! The B roll film of the run down vineyard only accentuated what posers the Salamis are. Why have a get together, have people travel to you when your property is in shambles and not a grape to be found? Why bother making a fool of yourself? Add this to the beer at the polo lesson and I wouldn’t be able to be around the Salahis without laughing in their face. Get over yourselves. Go away, regroup, and come back when your shit is in order. Scam Artist Barbie and Puffy Poser Ken need to go sit down somewhere.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Hi TLD, good to see you back! Love your take on the slimys. I responded upthread on this blog, to your post from yesterday. We need you here!

      • MAMAZ says:

        TLD – I didn’t see your post yesterday but I’m glad you’re still here whatever it was that happened. 🙂

    • AZ Girl says:

      Well said. That is why I am not offended by Cat’s behavior. She is calling it like it is. I find the Sahali’s behavior MORE offensive.
      People who have money do not need to arrive at every event in a limo. A WHITE stretch limo to be exact. A Lincoln Town Car, maybe. Cat was right that limo would only impress her daughter who is 9 years old. Hilarious.

    • Quincy IL says:

      My daughter got some of the pjs that matched mom and baby. Both of my girls were so cute.

      I think her kids were being funny and I laughed. I bet that apron was a joke too.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      My 3 year old LOVES her footie pajamas- we are in SoCal so they aren’t always weather permitting and we have the hardest time trying to convince her a warm evening to wear something else.

      I wouldn’t mind footies for myself on a cold winter night

    • Tam5115 says:

      Well hell, I’m 48 and I’d wear footie pajammas in the winter. I’m in Northern Wisconsin! It gets really cold here. LOL

    • Kat says:

      @TrueLifeDiva~ I’m so glad to see you posting!
      Your posts really made me think. I spent some time reading up on the question I had asked and am now someone better informed. One Wikipedia link led to another and… I have to thank you for sharing your point of view and feelings, without your posts I would have missed an opportunity to grow and educate myself.
      If I have offended you in any way I apologize.
      I truly do not post with invidious intent.

  19. JustAFact says:

    Sorry but just as Stacies mom is white and dad is African making her Biracial so is
    President Obama he is as much white as he is black.

    • Blue Sky says:

      who the f*ck cares!

      • Blue Sky says:

        Better clarify my stance, in case you haven’t read my posts upthread, it’s about f***king time we have a president that is not all white. Get used to it, some day the whites are going to be in the minority, and the old crabby white people will just have to get used to it. Race should not have any import in anything, hope I live long enough to see that day.

        • Had Enough! says:

          When I was growing up, America was called the melting pot. True, my mother was a European immigrant, as were my paternal grandparents, as were the grandparents of most of my classmates. But still, no melting was going on unless you meant the melting among whites from different European origins. The whole area (New Jersey – not the midwest!) was lily white. One girl had a cousin from Argentina who came up for half a year. She was so exotic to us. My middle class school had a couple of dozen black kids. When I first moved to the major east coast city where I now live, same thing. White white white. De facto segregated. And boring boring boring. Over the years, things changed. Social and professional integration began (still has quite a ways to go but way better than it was). Massive numbers of new immigrants, mostly from Vietnam, Korea, China, India, Pakistan, Ethiopia, and Latin America. It is now a diverse, vibrant place. You can be hopeful for the future living in this environment.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          If you hope that you live long enough to see the day that race has nothing to do with anything, you could take your first step on that journey by not saying things like “crabby old white people” and “It’s about time we have a president that is not white”. If race isn’t import it isn’t. If it is, it is. Just be consistent. Just sayin.

          I hate Jill Zarin and not because she’s green …with envy.

      • babelony says:

        Really. I’m reading through and thought, “where the hell did that come from?” So out of the blue. And yes, who cares?

        • krone says:

          What I love most about Lynn’s site? The fact that so many people offer differing opinions respectfully. I’ve a feeling she wouldn’t tolerate less than that & God love her for it. I mostly lurk when I’ve a chance and have noticed that this is the rarest of sites: strong people with strong opinions & values. Amazed and grateful that one can share, agree or disagree and still be treated respectfully.

  20. JustAFact says:

    I don’t want to sound offensive and I apologize If I do.
    What I meant is someone wrote a comment about having the first Black President and he is not the first black President he is the First Biracial President whats so wrong about that.

      • MAMAZ says:

        Just a Fact & Blue Sky –
        It’s easy to see that you are both very open minded. I doubt if anyone would take your comments the wrong way. Nothing either of you said was offensive.

        Sadly though I think your views are idealistic and not the way most people really think. But things continue to change and hopefully in time ethnicity won’t matter.

        As I’ve said before racism is an extremely complicated issue. In this country the wounds are still fresh. In my lifetime a mixed marriage was still illegal in most parts of the country! Hard to believe. Civil rights are a recent inovation. Historians say you can’t really began to judge an event for at least 50 years after the fact. My point is this is not ancient history and many people would like to just sweep it all under the rug and pretend it didn’t happen. Having an African American man in the White House, and HE identifies himself as African American, doesn’t change that although it does indicate progress is being made. And it gives us a great opportunity for dialog.

        One thing I would encourage is for people to NOT attempt to not see color. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that someone is a different color than us. It’s wrong to let that difference change how we view that person. I personally love the look of a beautiful coffee color skin. Just like some of my friends prefer blondes. That doesn’t mean they are racist it’s just one of those weird preference things we can’t explain.

        • Blue Sky says:

          Mamaz, appreciate your comments. When my son was little in pre-school, every day I had to tell him how beautiful his skin is, and I would even tell him it’s better than my skin, because I get sun burn, and have all these ugly moles. He was the only dark skinned kid in the whole school…did you read my post upthread, don’t want to keep saying the same things. It’s great to see him now, with all his friends, who are a rainbow of colors and ethnicities. We can have a multi-cultural society, and it starts at home.

          • MAMAZ says:

            I hadn’t seen it but looked for it just now. Wow, I can’t believe anyone would think that calling your son the N word is affectionate!
            I’m even more bothered because you mentioned they are Italian. I’m Italian, my grandparents came here from Italy. They experienced their fair share of bigotry. But nothing even close to what African Americans have suffered in this country. Anyway, having lived through some of that themselves my parents raised us to be not tolerant(I hate that word in this this context, it suggests we should just “put up with” people different than us),but accepting of diversity.
            We had African American friends and Asian American friends. We dated people of other races. My sister had the most beautiful Chinese boyfriend for a while. I hated her for it, wanted him for myself!
            I have always been fascinated by other cultures. How boring to only know people who look and act exactly like you.

            • Blue Sky says:

              He has some great Chinese friends, some African American, and of course Indian too. But his best bud is Italian American, and it is a great friendship. He’s actually called “my nig” by this friend. Can’t explain it, but somehow it’s all good for his group of friends. No one messes with them, because they are on the football team, and all support each other.

              • Rabble Rouser says:

                While I can’t say I understand the desire to refer to a friend as ‘my nig’, maybe they can rationalize it as a sign of their comfort level with each other.

                It sounds like they had the same time of weird dynamic that the rat pack had with Sammie Davis Jr.

                The would make racial jokes amongst each other either privately or onstage but when push came to shove, they wouldn’t tolerate any institutionalized racism towards their friend and would boycott any club or casino that wouldn’t allow Sammie in.

            • Tam5115 says:

              I swore I wouldn’t do this but… since everyone seems to be in the dialog.

              We are all Americans and we all are part of a melting pot. I’m mainly Irish, but I’m also Swedish, English, German and Welsh. My ancestors came from those countries and contributed to me. But so what? I am an American.

              You know who else is American and seldom, if ever, gets mentioned? Native Americans. “native” is the key word there.

              People are people. Americans are people. Be proud of your heritage, no matter what it is. I do not judge on your history, I judge on what you are.

        • krone says:

          Brava Mamaz. I’m an old Krone and interracial marriages were still actually illegal in many states in my younger years. My first arrest was around civil rights,- even after the civil rights bill passed in 64, it wasn’t properly enforced. There’s been progress but not nearly enough, no where quickly enough. Now we can look to the BECKONING this weekend and listen to a madman rant and try to co-opt Dr. MLK’s beautiful words and soul. Sorry, know this isn’t a political site but it’s weighing on me.

          • Blue Sky says:

            That Beck crap rally really got to me yesterday. Jon Stewart does hilarious parodies of Beck that help get me over it! Love his show, & Colbert too.

    • Had Enough! says:

      I guess what I am saying is that although you are factually correct, it is a shame that anyone even needs to think/talk about this and it certainly isn’t my place (or yours) to label anyone. How ridiculous is it that we label somebody based on the percentage of their ancestry and the extent of the melanin in their skin. What does that have to do with anything about that person, except as needed to describe someone in a missing person’s or police report for identification purposes, the same way you would say male/female or tall/short?

      If you read Obama’s book (Dreams of My Father) you will read about how he struggled with this. And of course we saw it during the election, too. What I am saying is that I can’t wait for the day when it isn’t even an issue.

      It was 37 years ago tomorrow that these words were spoken on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial:

      I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

      • MAMAZ says:

        Had Enough – There are so many people in the media right now who are using fear of terrorism and economic instability to encourage prejudice and hate. I think JustAFact and Blue Sky are just responding to that. I agree that it’s a shame that a persons ethnicity should ever be a consideration in their profession but for now it still is.

      • Ellabean says:

        Indeed. Such a beautiful quote. Let us never forget one of the greatest American speeches ever made.

        By the way – yesterday , August 26th, was Women’s Emancipation Day – when women won the right to vote.

      • Kat says:

        Here is a link that speaks to America’s hypodescent usage in defining race. It futher states there is no biological basis for race classifications, that the classications are cultural constructs and vary from culture to culture.
        MLK’s, “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”, should be inevitable if logic, intelligence and knowlegde prevail.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      The unfortunate thing is that many people only see the blackness of his skin. Many believe that he is a Muslim too despite that he lived the majority of his growing up years with his Methodist grandparents in Hawaii and that he has said he’s a Christian and goes to church.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        I read an op-ed in the Economist that stated the new “racism” is to downplay the “Americanism” of the victim if they don’t “look” like an American.

        The editors went on to describe the evening that Lena Horne refused to perform at an army base because the German POW’s were seated in the front rows yet the African American servicemen defending our country from the Germans were seated in the balcony. Why were the Germans considered more deserving then our own soldiers?

        The article questioned our perceptions on who “belonged” to us and who didn’t based on the color of their skin.

        Even today there are lawsuits in full swing from the “birthers” who claim that because Obama was born in Hawaii he is not an American and so should be impeached. (hello…Pearl Harbor?)

        Meanwhile the candidate who’s birth was never questioned was McCain. Yet he was born in Panama (?) before it was considered US territory so technically he really wasn’t an American.

        I can’t help but believe that he was never questioned because he is perceived as looking more American than Obama.

        Call me cynical, but I believe racism is alive and well, just morphing it’s ugliness into more acceptable, mainstream forms of hate.

        Which is more insidious in it’s own way, as it’s harder to identify and therefore to fight.

        • MAMAZ says:

          Actually McCain’s citizenship has been questioned in the past because he was born in thr Panama Canal Zone. But since both his parents were American citizens it doesn’t matter where he was born.
          The birthers recognize that Hawaii was a state at the time of Obama’s birth, what they are saying is that the President was actually born in Kenya. Of course that’s ridiculous and has been disproved but the birthers don’t want to acccept that proof.

          • Quincy IL says:

            The investigators for some newspapers found two birth announcements in the archives stating where he was born and his parents names. That is evidence that should convince the logical people out there.

            • Rabble Rouser says:

              I think both argument about either McCain or Obama’s citizenship to be silly, while it’s true that neither of them were born in the continental U.S. , even if they were born on foreign both would are to be considered citizens AT birth via their parents.

    • kit says:

      You weren’t offensive at all.

  21. JustAFact says:

    ok thats cool too.

  22. boston02127 says:

    @kat—-I saw your question on the last blog. This is the link. I write something then copy it and paste it here. http://www.typeupsidedown.com/

  23. boston02127 says:

    Thanks for the great blog Lynn. 5 stars! I don’t care for Cat. She complains about everything. I think if a bag of money fell from the sky and landed next to her she’d complain about it.

  24. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s tweet and pic—http://twitpic.com/2iqb24 – Madison avenue wearing dvf

    I think it’s funny that the guy on her right isn’t even checking her out.

  25. boston02127 says:

    If anyone cares—-Check out the RHONJ interviewed on the MBGIW stage on Access Hollywood and EXTRA tonight! (Check your listings!)
    (from Caroline aka mack truck tweets)

  26. lillybee says:

    Someone said that Michaela reminded her of the spagetti haired muppet.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Nice look on Jill – wish she would wear it more often!

      • dumberries says:

        I gotta say, this is a step in the right direction for Zarin. I always believe her motivations are selfish, always. But, this is a good cause and it’s the first smart PR move she’s made in a while. The family NOH8 photo is cool. Ally’s eyes look incredible and her stepson is a good-looking guy.

  27. Olivia says:

    “I am also helping raise money for the Marriage Equality March coming up in NYC on September 2010,” Jill said. “So I was also happy to participate in the NOH8 campaign.”

    “Coincidence” that this event should be taking place right around the same time this tripe begins refilming? Don’t think so. Just another rail on the road to Jill’s public redemption from last season when she was an absolute bitch.

    Season 4: St. Jill returns in the guise of Mother Teresa which will bring back her disenchanted “fans” to the fold as she wraps herself this year with the gay community.

    Keep your barf bags handy.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Great. Now she can suck face with Danielle.

      • Ellabean says:

        In that link about Jill supporting say no to Prop 8 – she says this:

        “Being gay is not a choice,” Jill continued. “Our government should not be involved in our sexual lives or orientation.”

        Is there something wrong with that sentence? No ! I don’t mean the idea – I mean her choice of words. Prop 8 is about right to marry – not about one’s “sexual life” . Huh ? Nobody standing up for gay rights uses that phrasing.

        Jill is another non-rocket scientist when it comes to proper use of language.

      • Blue Sky says:

        Cracking up here! While barfing into my bag…!

    • lillybee says:

      Pity, Lulu beat her to it. She did it last year. Her photo was beautiful.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      “I didn’t mean to shove Andy. I love Andy. When I’m attacked, I attack back. I don’t like to be held back or touched…Listen, I know how to control myself. Just don’t hold me back!”

      Why would you be needing to be held back if you can control yourself?

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        If you didn’t mean to shove Andy…but you DID…you were NOT under control!

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I think it’s not only her husband that does a King Kong when the camera’s are rolling.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        If she in fact knew how to control herself she wouldn’t have shoved Andy. That she didn’t specifically intend to shove him but did is in fact proof that she isn’t in control of her behavior.

        Logic and Teresa….never the two shall meet.

      • Snarkella says:


    • dumberries says:

      Okay Chewy, whatever you say. You were perfectly under control when you flipped a table that all of your friends and family were sitting around. And, when you chased a paranoid woman who was trying to avoid you out of a country club (and got your friends banned for life). And, when you shoved a host on national television… Geez, hate to be within 500 feet (or miles) of you when you lose control (or even when you don’t)…

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Someone needs to tell the ape that if you act and talk like a lady NO ONE WILL HAVE TO HOLD YOU DOWN!

  28. Dreemz says:

    Thank you for the recap Lynn! Well, after the first episode, I commented on how rude I think Cat is…my opinion hasn’t changed. I have to admit, though, I was very amused when she called out Tarp Salami on how controling he is, also she wouldn’t shut up about the whole security issue…amusing! I also thought it was hilarious when she called him out for serving beer and trying to pass it off as wine on a previous episode, funny!!
    Mary? She would be alot more likeable if she hadn’t name-dropped from the git-go, not only doing it but the tone she used. She also tries a little too hard…shoves it down our throat so-to-speak … to convince us of her natural born uppercrustedness, her inherent sophistication. I would just like to wipe that condescending smirk off her face (EVEN IF I AGREE WITH HER)lol. There have been too many scenes with her (and her family) that just seemed too choreographed/staged/rehearsed/scripted….all to make us see her endearingly.
    Lynda? C’mon…your kids are a little too old for us to believe they came stumbling down the stairs scratching their asses with a onezie on…”Huh?” “Wuh?” “MaMa?” “jammies?” give. me. a. break. ANOTHER STAGED MOMENT FOLKS…… good LAWWWWWWD can we have some REALITY???????
    Stacie & Jason- don’t have much to say about them, at least when their kids are taped they are real.
    Mrs Salami – You’re one of those people it is impossible to have a normal conversation with. I call you and people like you the NON-PEOPLE. You have that sickening all out toothy grin and sing-songy voice going on while you are making accusations at someone all the while twisting everything the other person responds with.
    Mr. Salami- I see the eyes and hear the words of a twisted individual. You are a dangerous person….just my opinion.

  29. Dwight Schrute says:

    I don’t fully read Mary’s attitude towards Michaele as jealousy, but frustration. The Salahis escapades had been well documented a full two years before the event at the White House. I live 4 hours from DC and I knew about the problems at the winery. Lynda was well versed in them not paying their bills. I can see being frustrated if the come in and try to take over and take credit for everything and it’s all built on a house of cards. For me, the jury is still out on Mary so until we’ve had a clearer picture I’m giving her a win.

    I’m already giving Cat a lose for next week just for showing up in that mocking Sarah Palin outfit. I’m not a fan of Palin but that looks highly inappropriate. Keep in mind we’ve already seen her husband with Joe Biden. If the election had been different she would have been mocking one of her husband’s bosses. Who knows, I doubt it but it but it is possible Palin could still be in a position one day to be his boss and she is putting his job in jeopardy.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Cat’s husband works for Newsweek, not the White House. He covered politicians and the White House for Newsweek. None of the pols he photographed were his bosses.

  30. boston02127 says:

    I really must take back everything negative that I’ve said about Kelly in the past. Besides being the ambassador for wool and a Tastemaker in NYC, the woman is a fashion icon! Step aside Kate Spade & Donna Karan.

    http://twitpic.com/2iqma9 – Thrifty trick: tie ur belt

    • dumberries says:

      LOL.. She is brilliant in her trendiness. Tie your belt – I did that in the 90s and didn’t even know I was ahead of my time with that thrifty fashion trick. Next week’s fashion revelation: you can tie your sweatshirt around your waist when it gets hot.

    • Char212 says:

      Thrifty trick??? She probably meant nifty trick but couldn’t think of the word. I don’t know how tying your belt is considered thrifty 😉

  31. Wall St Lady says:

    First my deepest apology to you . I ment no offense & am deeply sorry to have offended you.
    I truly hope you will find in your wounded heart the ability to forgive me.

    I have been mad that Obama ,though as much white as black calls himself black & there fore leaves out me (the white part) My comment “to build a bridge to include me” ment that since Stacie is 1/2 white & 1/2 black why can’t she relate to me as white because I would welcome her as white.

    I asked my friend who is a light skinned black about the” M word” & she said it wasn’t offensive to her & laughed & said I was “just an old Southern Cracker”.
    I then asked her nephew who is 1/2 white & 1/2 black about the “M word”. He is a college graduate & 31. He said the” M word” was not offensive to him , that it means bi racial but is in his opinion an obsolete word.
    The nephew explained that he was considered black because he looks black. That may explain why Stacie & Obama don’t celebrate their white 1/2 part . Maybe it is my white fault they don’t.

    I have never used the N word for anyone much less my closest NY friend.

    BTW I am going to get to meet Stacey as my friend knows her. So I will talk to her about this in person.

    I am probably a lot older than you but I can identify w/ your hurt & frustration. In my Wall St career as a woman I was discriminated against ,lied to ,stolen from, groped, laughed at, insulted, Belittled , etc. u get the picture. Women 30 years since my arrival on Wall St are still a minority & only 4% are Sr. Executives like I am.
    I was angry sometimes too but I learned to have a sense of humor as my goal was to win with my dignity in tact. And I feel I did That being said I know u too can exceed the odds & I pray u will.
    Again I am so sorry my word caused u pain it was never my intention.

    • Quincy IL says:

      I slipped up a while past and said, “Oriental.” When we were kids it was perfectly ok to say that when you referr to China which was called, “the Orient,” back then. When a bunch of my daughter’s Brown Med School friends corrected me and said that I should use, “Asian.” My husband who is from Iran then said that he was Asian and they disagreed. You see only people from East Asia are Asian. rotfl

      We had a discussion here about the word, “Persian.” Some one told me that I was il mannered to use the term that my husband and all of his Iranian friends and family use right here in the old USA. During the troubles with Iran, “National Geographic,” and some magazines put “Gulf of Arabia” instead of the “Persian Gulf” on maps. Iranians in Iran and in the West jumped up and down with displeasure. So were those Iranians wrong to use “Persian?” I think not.

      It’s tough to get older, WSL, and follow the daily trends, but thanks to the cool younger women here who will keep our feet to the fire, you and I will be up to date with the Lexicon and ready to show off what we have learned.

    • Blue Sky says:

      WSL, don’t feel bad. Your intention was never to hurt anyone, and well issues of race are so touchy. I love reading your posts. Tell us how was it when you started on Wall St? I’ve always heard that it’s the worst place for women, because the men are “macho chauvenist pigs.” (no insult to any pig intended!)

      I have to admit, I grew up in a small town in Iowa, and I can’t believe that Obama won in Iowa. It really changed there, in the last 25 years since I left. Iowa is almost totally white. There are Blacks in the bigger cities, but small minority. I am very proud that Iowa did that, and I cried when it happened. And you know what, it took the “old angry white people” to do it too.

      • anniieee says:

        With the exception of a few trolls in here, no one means harm. WSL, you are wise–understanding, have empathy and compassion. I am 58 and walk the line of what is politically “correct” and what was correct and accepted before. I need a map to navigate thru the mindfields. I try to live my life with kindness to my fellow humans, as you do, but occasionally people take offense where no offense was meant. Keep writing–I love your wisdom.

    • krone says:

      Wall st.
      I’m new & transient to this site so don’t know what’s going on specifically, but do feel that you and I are of the same age. I hope what was said wasn’t too hurtful and that Diva accepts your apology. This is the first time in a while that I’ve had time to check out the posts here and to my ears (eyes)? you sound sincere and like someone I’d like to know. I really must check in here more often; it’s such a rare site,- one where differences are aired respectfully. Hope all goes well luv;)

  32. OneMoreinBoston says:

    Hmm…does anyone want to hear the story about how I met Jill Zarin 25 years ago?

    • boston02127 says:

      @OneMoreInBoston—-Hmmm…nah. Of course I do!!!! Spill it!!!!!

    • Char212 says:

      I do.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Are you kidding? Need you ask?

      Here, come sit by me. 😉

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Well, the silence is deafening.

      Well, I’ll tell you anyway.

      I came to Boston in 1981, from exclusive upscale Scarsdale, NY to attend B.U. I was your typical snotty, self important, entitled, spoiled rotten little college student.

      I was 2 years into my education and my dad’s business just went belly up. He had to decalare bankruptcy and everything from my doll collection to my great grandmother’s silver was repocessed.

      OK-So no money, and an EXPENSIVE school to finish, I took the only job that I could find that paid as much as it did and was legal. ( I had some offers for illegal activities, but never mind about all that…)

      So I became a Chanel makeup artist by day, cocktail waitress by night and somehow managed to graduate with a solid B+ average.

      So I was working behind the Chanel counter at the old Filene’s (you know the Filene’s in Filene’s Basement?) and Jill Zarin was in their Buyer program. She came to me a few times for lipstick and whatnot and I wish i had some really juicy dirt to tell you but I really don’t.

      She dressed well, was pleasant, if not just a tad, well…loud, and had the most beuatiful thick hair. She actually looked just like she does now, just younger. She also has nice legs, but you rarely see them on the show.

      OK that’s it…talk amongst yourselves.

      • Char212 says:

        Doesn’t surprise me that she’s still loud. The best part of your story is you. Kudos to you for stepping up and doing what you needed to do to stay in school. WTG!!!

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Cool story.

        I agree with Char….the best part of the story is what you did when faced with a change in life circumstances. Rolled up your sleeves and kept on going. Sincere kadooze to you.

  33. Quincy IL says:

    Oh my goodness, I have better measurements than Alex and she’s a model!


    Of course, I am only 5’6″, but Sonja fibbed on those cards.

    So… now to find a modeling agency interested in six 6 … 57 year old grandmothers who work out and run, but have … wrinkles in the places that we smile. I have decided to age gracefully and keep smiling so more wrinkles are probably going to come.

    Still…. model measurements… gosh… I am sooooooooooooo happy.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      oh hush-

      the two of you are making me sick already with the size 6.

      Put a 1 in front of that and you’d have my size.

      Well, more of me to love?

      • Quincy IL says:

        Dec. 15, 2009, I went to grandma’s bootcamp. I was a lot more than 16. Calories counting and so many dumbells later… I got there. I was just floored that Alex and I were so close. It’s hard to believe actually.

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          I started a business 3 months ago…lost 45 lbs so far.

          It’s called the Recession Diet

  34. Wall St Lady says:

    Thank you for extending you gracious words to comfort our
    Dear Diva. I didn’t Know till I saw posts today or I would have addressed my error sooner.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Hi there, Wall St Lady…

      I think you (or maybe it was @Olivia?) might have predicted the future when you stated that RHODC was bringing up two sensitive and taboo subjects, – race and politics.

      We’re always conditioned not to talk about these subjects in polite company, and somehow things just never get settled.

      As you can see on the show, from the cringe worthy comments running the gamut from integrating all of the salons to being rude to poor Auntie Frances during dinner, that race is a pretty hot potato subject. (Yet we know how to talk about prostitution whores, and other graphic sexual subjects…)

      You opened up a dialog, and maybe it wouldn’t have been opened otherwise.

    • Katie says:

      Wall ST Lady, not everyone would handle the situation with as much compassion as you have shown. A testament to you character.

    • Kat says:

      Wall St Lady you wrote, “The nephew explained that he was considered black because he looks black. That may explain why Stacie & Obama don’t celebrate their white 1/2 part . Maybe it is my white fault they don’t.”.

      I think I understand what you are saying. The hypodescent rule of American racial classification is horribly hurtful and magnifies differences rather than our shared humanity. I was ignorant that there was a term for it until I read up on it last night.

      I ended up reading and learning a lot from the posts and other material.
      I hope no one is wounded.
      I’m glad we are all here. Everyone speaks from their own perspective and there is something to learn from and value in that, imho.

  35. Wall St Lady says:

    O m Btown
    Loved it. But I think u should add the part about how Jill wouldn’t wait in line & also demanded free stuff cuz the lipstick would look so good on her, people would ask her about it & she would help brand you.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      naw…but she always wanted me to do her makeup for free. She’d hop right up onto that chair… but I really don’t have anything bad to say about her-dammit!

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Now that does sound like Jill. LOL.

      • Blue Sky says:

        Was that usual, that you do the make-up for free? Did she ever buy anything from you? I never would have the courage to get made up for free, and then just walk away….seems tacky.

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          Typically, when you do someone’s makeup you’re doing it to make a sale, not to make someone pretty.

          I was paid hourly but also made commissions on my sales.

          When an employee would buy from you, they would receive an employee discount. But the sale was less so the commission was less.

          There was a time that I was doing Jill’s makeup on a dead and boring Friday night when the store was deserted. A woman came up to the counter and I jumped on her- and Jill was actually pretty cool that I left her sitting with one eye done and one eye naked.

          By the way-there was also a quota that had to be met each day. It’s actually fairly stressful and not quite the glamorous job people think it is.

          Trish McEvoy is the line that Missy Salami worked for at Nordstroms.

          She MUST be good because they have very high quotas and are very particular about who they hire. No mannequins allowed, either you’re a powerhouse producer or you’re unemployed.

          I have a very good friend that works for them and her quota is $2000 a day. That’s alot of lipstick my friend.

          • Blue Sky says:

            OneMore, love your Jill Z story, so she was keeping you from making $ and giving her free make-up. Sounds like she hasn’t changed so very much!

            And kudos to you for getting an education on your own dime. Love to hear more about that, and what road your life took with that college degree.

          • Quincy IL says:

            What is the trend concerning eye liner?

            I notice that a lot more women are really have colored eye shadows again. I saw a purple on Nene that made her look like Nefretiti..

            I do my own makeup and hair. On Sat. mornings, I wash, set and comb out hair for my mom and two of her elderly friends. They can’t afford to go to the beauty parlor on their social security checks so I make coffee and have a pastry for them while I do their hair. I also do their nails. I know… it’s weird, but going to church is very important in their lives.

            • OneMoreinBoston says:

              awww…not weird at all -just adorable!

              The new trend this fall is BRIGHTS and purples.

              I can’t pull of the brights-just too old-but I just bought a beautiful deep aubergine purple that almost looks charcoal when it’s on.

              Again a tough look to pull off without making you look like you have pink eye.

              Stick with the neutrals if you’d like and play with color in your mani/pedis

            • alicia says:

              Gel eyeliner is very big right now- it will stay on through a long day! I think it is wonderful that you help your mom and her friends ! I just finished a course in micropigmentation, also referred to as “permanent makeup”. Many of our senior ladies lose their eyebrows as they age- so it’s great to wake up with them already on.

  36. boston02127 says:

    IF you had to trade your looks for one of the housewives who would you trade with?

    If you could have one of their homes, which would you choose?

    Which housewife is your real life best friend most like?

    If you could ask Jill Zarin one question what would it be?

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Well, I’m gorgeous, so I wouldn’t trade with anyone.

      oh you were being serious? ok, ok.

      Lookwise I’d stay the same, although I wish I had the balls to wear Kim’s wig. It’s just so TRASHY looking I love it!

      I LOVE LOVE LOVE Romona’s apartment in the city, so I’d live there.

      My best friend is most like NeNe-although she’d kill me to say that.

      So now imagine me (I’m beautiful remember?) sitting in Romona’s apartment with my Kim wig on, drinking Skinny Girl margaritas with NeNe and the doorbell rings.

      Mario is naked but answers the door anyway. (It’s MY fantasy dammit!) There stands Jill with poor Ginger shoved in her bag.

      I go to the door and ask the one question that’s been on my mind:

      “When are you leaving?”

      • dumberries says:

        Love your fantasy, LMAO!
        As for me:
        1. I’d trade my looks for Luann’s
        2. I’d take Kelly’s Hampton’s house
        3. My best friend is male – most like Simon VanKempen
        4. ? to Jill: can I see the size tags on the inside of your pants?

        • Quincy IL says:

          I don’t think many of the housewives are actually beautiful. I look at Gretchen’s face, but I just can’t see it. She has a fantastic shape, but she’s not beautiful to me. Jeanna had a great face and body in the 80’s. I think Bethenny is very pretty. Alex is beautiful in some photos and in the show, not so much. I think they change the photos. Luann is beautiful. Sonja…. I don’t think she is beautiful. She has a great shape.

          I think, in America, you can be called beautiful if you are thin. I see some women here in farmland USA who have incredible faces, but are heavy. I think they are beautiful.

          • alicia says:

            Damn girl you are posting at 5:30 am ? You are a farm girl for sure ! I ignored my horse this morning until 8:30, he threw all his buckets in the aisleway. Anyhoo- I get what you mean by the city standard of beauty, if you are thin you are automatically beautiful. Michaele S. is a good example-hawk nose and big teeth but extremely thin so she is “beautiful”. Florida is like that as well. I think beauty comes in all shapes and sizes, and I hate it when I hear women berating themselves for gaining weight.

    • kats2 says:

      Oh Boston you’re so much fun!!!

      IF you had to trade your looks for one of the housewives who would you trade with? I love how I look, but if I had to pick one – Bethenny!!!!

      If you could have one of their homes, which would you choose?
      Ramona’s Hampton home or apartment or Vicki’s home but move on the water, I hate where they live.

      Which housewife is your real life best friend most like?
      Bethenny and very much like my family (we’re tight, crazy and fun – mad love and would kill for any of them. My friends and family call it like they see it, they will tell me when I’m wrong and if I’m not owning my mistakes they call me on it. That is why I hate the NJ cast so much. Bethenny in her current family state of mind would fit in perfectly with both.

      If you could ask Jill Zarin one question what would it be?
      Why are you so mean? And my follow up question would be stop with the crap and tell the truth, and my follow up question to that would be – You have 20 seconds to tell the truth or I’m going to smack you!!!

      (HA! just kidding, just watched Jersey Shore those kids are mean!!! But guess what they have more class than the NJ HW’s – go figure~~~~

    • Blue Sky says:

      That’s a tough one, I don’t want to be any of them, & no way be on tv!

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        ditto to that! lol
        but I do have a question for Jill, “Do you really think people will like you again since you obviously don’t know how to change?”

  37. Wall St Lady says:

    Quincy Somehow that is exactly how I imagined u !

    • Quincy IL says:


      I tried to get some of my friend to come with me to this running class when the temps were 110 with 60% humidity and they refused to come. LOL.

      I actually am more balanced than the beautiful Alex… 37 26..37… but then Alex doesn’t have my physical trainer who doesn’t care that I am exhausted and that I want to stop. My mom has the same trainer. At 80, she has too get on the floor and do exercises. My mom loves it BTW.

  38. kats2 says:

    Lynn or anyone else who knows – I’ve been away, Please fill me in on what proof we have that all NYC HW’s were asked back for the next season? I didn’t see anything from Bravo, but of course I could have missed it. Just looking for Bravo or NYC HW confirmation (any random blog or “news” item does not count)???

    DC HW’s – Based on the clips I’ve watched (not watching show any more) Mary and Cat come off as big-time studs/heroes for me! Cat takes on Edwina (Rep Healthcare Lobbyist) who is (no lie or exaggeration) Satan on earth. She is, she will kill your kids and pets without shedding a tear, do your homework on this evil bitch. Mary makes the Gate Crashers look as pathetic as they are. Not sure if all of this happened in this past episode or the next but it’s all good!

    I LOVE WATCHING JUST THE CLIPS!!!! Bravo can suck it!!!!

    • dumberries says:

      No Bravo announcements on NY Season 4 cast yet….

      • kats2 says:

        @DB Thank you!! So why are we confirming rumors or do we just think it’s a done deal? Whatever!

        • Blue Sky says:

          Wait for Bravo to confirm, anything can happen. I’ll bet Bethenny is negotiating for big bucks to film HONYC. Plus she’s filming her own show, and with all her books/products she’s bringing in serious $. Good for her!

        • dumberries says:

          I’m disregarding any casting news that isn’t tied directly to a Bravo or Shed Media executive, with a name attached. None of this “inside source at Bravo” bs… In the past, Bravo would jump in and squelch unofficial rumors that were published as fact – they aren’t doing that now. I don’t think that means that they are indirectly validating the rumors. Seems more like Bravo to have figured out it gets them more PR to keep people guessing and speculating for a long time. I think Bravo gave up all concern for the truth quite a while ago…

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Sounds like Lynn has confirmation from a source of her own, rather than just going by published rumors. But that’s just my guess. Bravo typically makes no official announcement until they’re actually promoting the new season.

      Now that RHONY is going to be in syndication and available to local stations (which is a new source of revenue), wonder if residuals for cast members will be an issue in contract negotiations. Silex sort of suggested previously that such might be the case.

      • Blue Sky says:

        That may be a clause that could be negotiated in future contracts, but I doubt the housewives had the clout to get future residuals in their past contracts. Chances of Bravo giving any of the housewives future residuals is “slim to none and slim just left town!”

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          ***snort*** for the 2nd time tonight

        • Need a Hobby says:

          I was referring to the contracts cast members would be negotiating for Season 4. Since RHONY is going into syndication, not unlikely that cast members could raise the issue of additional compensation while negotiating their Season 4 contracts, since now it’s known that future syndication of Season 4 is a possibility.

  39. kats2 says:

    Other Reality Shows and Topics

    Is anyone else here following BB? This was a big week! I’m really enjoying it.

    I just started watching Model Latina and She’s Got The Look – these shows are pure brain candy, need to chill pleasure, it’s like a fraction of the budget for ANTM and so enjoyable to watch them try to be like Tyra. You can watch them both on-line.

    Rachel Zoe – so funny, everyting is such an issue, I wonder if it will be caught on tape if and when something really bad does happen? I’m not sure how they would handle real problems.

    Flipping Out – I swear I would be the best assistant ever for Jeff, my need for order would make me a wet dream for him. However my other need for power would make me want to kill him and take over his business. I think that would be fun to watch!

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      yes, an orderly murder.

      Exactly what Bravo needs.

      Well, it might as well be you because it will eventually come to that don’t you think?

      Just remember, though…I will NOT clap.

    • Blue Sky says:

      All the talk about Rachel getting pregnant, what do you think? She’s so skinny it pains me to see the bones sticking out in her chest. There’s no way she would have a successful pregnancy in her current skeleton state. Adoption would be brilliant, & then Roger could raise the child while Rachel styles her or him!

      • kats2 says:

        I don’t think she could handle it at all.

        • Blue Sky says:

          Kats2, sadly you are probably right. Rachel is so obsessed with fashion, there’s no room for a child. Roger barely gets attention, so maybe he could raise the child on his own, and have “playdates” with Rachel. They would need to hire a nanny to take care of the child, but that’s well within their means. It looks like Roger really wants a family, let’s see if Rachel will allow it.

        • Quincy IL says:

          She can’t dress herself without an entourage. She would be a horrible mother.

  40. mnsue says:

    I have no idea if this has been talked about….probably has. I don’t have time to check right now.

    Jill was on a local radio show a few hours ago. She said the film crew was for Its Me Or The Dog NOT RHNYC. She will be on with Victoria Stillwell

    • error404 says:

      I feel like doing my “told ya so!” dance. I knew that “filming” story was a plant and was so vague it could be anything. She’s so desperate and transparent. She’ll never get anywhere with her “career” because jill is pure amatuer, heart and soul.

      • dumberries says:

        You called it! Wish I could see you doing the dance. Love that Ginger was actually the cute starlet being filmed that day…

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Was she specifically asked about the pics or did she volunteer the information?

      • mnsue says:

        I don’t know what pics you are talking about. I assume there were pics of her with a film crew? I’ve been sort of out of it.

        Basically she was telling them all she is up to, fabrics, Ally leaving and she said ” I just got done filming with Victoria Stillwell for her show. Lots of people thought the film crew was for RH but it wasn’t.”

        Nothing else was said about upcoming season.

        FYI in case anyone wonders Its Me or The Dog is on Animal Planet. Pretty self explanatory. The trainer is Victoria Stillwell.
        So it will be a whole hour analyzing and fixing problems with Ginger.

        • Need a Hobby says:

          Jill’s assistant Darren tweeted pics of Jill with a film crew saying that Jill was filming. But didn’t say filming for what.

          First, Jill gives an interview in which she says she expects to hear from Bravo/producers of RHONY within days. Then within days there’s a story planted in Jill’s old dumping ground, the NY Daily News Gatecrasher column, that Jill and others (“even Alex”) were asked back for RHONY season 4 but Bethenny was not. Then within a day of that, Darren announces on Twitter that Jill is filming!! & he posted pics of Jill with a film crew. Later the pics were deleted & Darren announced he was taking a break from Twitter. (Apparently Shed Media, which produces both RHONY and the Animal Planet show, was not happy with what transpired. )

          It’s been suggested by some observers that this progression of events was orchestrated by Jill so that people would indeed be led to believe that the film crew was for RHONY.

          • dumberries says:

            Good recap. IMO, Zarin absolutely orchestrated the whole thing to get buzz going around her supposed return to RHNY, and to see her name in the columns. Got her grubby little fingerprints all over it. So transparent…

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            Be serious! It was Susan Saunders……….Jill would never do anything so contrived.

            • error404 says:

              LOL..it was a total Susan Saunders deal!

              First Darren posted a tweetpic sayign that they house was all ready for filming tomorrow, then a tweetpic of Alley and the crew in her room, then a few hours later a teewtpic of Jill with camera crew and oh so fake message “I hope I don’t get in trouble”

              The whole thing was a Susan Saunders production form start to finish, I’d recognize her amateur style anywhere

            • mnsue says:

              This is slightly ot but the radio guy and his producer raved to Jill at the end about how wonderful her people are, i.e. got back to them right away etc.

              It was annoying that he had Jill on at all. All season he referred to himself as Team Bethenny and would talk about how horrible Jill was.

              Bethenny called in to his show a few weeks ago and they had a nice chat.

              Now when he’s announcing Jill will be on, he acknowledged that he was team Bethenny but that he had liked Jill alot before this season. Suck up

              Oh yeah….they didn’t talk today at all about RH. Jill plugged her book again and I think the main point was to plug Zarin Fabrics.

  41. error404 says:

    did you guys see this NYT pice on Cat’s husband and how he wished he never did RHODC?
    interesting and thoughtful article.

    • kats2 says:

      Interesting and Thoughtful are two words we don’t see often when discussing anyone associated with the HW’s franchise. I will read it now.

    • kats2 says:

      error404 – thank you for the link, that is a great article on what it’s like for the spouse/partners/family involved with this show. Seemed very telling and raw.

      • mnsue says:

        Yeah, thanks. I just read it too and feel kind of sorry for him.

        “what I Did For Love” from A Chorus Line is now my earworm for the night.

      • error404 says:

        it’s interesting how the housewives seem to get so caught up int he fame of the show that they’re willing to risk everything for it. I’d like to think I’d always put my family first… but maybe it’s like drugs

      • dumberries says:

        He seemed very honest about it. Makes me sad really. He didn’t want the exposure but made the sacrifice for her. Now, he, one of the few in HWs history to have earned a high level of success in a prestigious position, is paying the price. Sucks for him. Wish he’d watched some of the other HWs shows and read this blog before he agreed to sign on….

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        oh my goodness, my poor baby!

        I am crushing on this guy big time-he is so handsome!

        I kiss it and make it all better ‘kay?

        • mnsue says:

          I think he looks way better on the show than the pictures with the article looked. Kind of pock marked but whatever….

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Thanks for the article. He appears to be a low key guy and is well regarded in his field. I imagine his friends were all, what was he thinking? Not appearing on camera was indeed an option of course. But even so, with his wife on the show he would not remain untouched by it.

    • Thanks for finding and sharing this link. So often we only see the tabloid reports of the RH and the outcomes. If this is what can happen to the career of an adult, I can’t imagine the lives of of the children of the Real Housewives.

    • emt2 says:

      Thanks for the link.

      But I wonder why the marriage fell apart? Maybe a combination of reasons: Cat didn’t really grasp her husband’s busy schedule, he was embarrassed by some of the things she said, etc.? We really have no idea. I feel bad for the whole family.

      But, it’s clear that reality shows can speed up the dissolution of marriages and families. Every year at least one of the Housewives franchises has seen the end of at least one marriage and the aftermath is not nice.

  42. error404 says:

    I actually found this to be a serious and solid take on the seemingly silliness that is Rachel Zoe

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Love TLo! They usually provide insight and a great deal of humor about the shows they blog. I recommend their project runway blogs to fans of the show.

  43. Wall St Lady says:

    Did u teach her to do her signature raccoon eyes.
    Was her hair red ?

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      no- that’s her new signature style lol- I’m a little more low key.
      I like a darker lip and a light eye, with plenty of cheek-Jill does a really smoky, dark eye, with a nude lip and cheek-not the most flattering look for women of -ahem-a certain age.

      yes her hair was red/brown-just gorgeous thick hair.

      • truelifediva says:

        And now Jill wears a weave that costs $1,000 a track. She should take a page from Ramona’s book and get a sassy new HAIRCUT 😉

  44. Adgirl says:

    Project Runway anyone? Tim Gunn was PISSED.

    What. The. Hell. Gretchen.
    That was very shocking at the end of the epi when Tim Gunn totally took down Gretchen by saying she manipulated her dream team and they followed like little lemmings! AJ let her do all of the talking on the runway and he ended up going home!

    The challenge was for 2 teams to create a collection. There were no team leaders, but Gretchen, sensing an opportunity to impose herself over the other designers stepped up into the gap. She directed the entire collection. Gretchen has won a few challenges so she thinks she’s the obvious winner and trend setter.
    Gretchen was the self appointed spokesperson on the runway. She was shocked! shocked! that the other team of bottom dwellers won!!
    At panel Gretchen was having trouble keeping herself from slapping Heidi. She talked (and talked, and talked) to the judges while completely throwing Michael C under the bus (he has no skills!) then backing the bus back and forth over his crushed corpse. No one on the team would blame Gretchen!! They just meekly let her take control. Gretchen offered the judges several scenarios – first she praised her team’s collection then said it was crappy. She was involved in all of the looks. No wait! She was too busy babysitting Michael C. to oversee it properly. What again?
    Unfortunately, for AJ, Michael C had immunity from his win the prior week. AJ sewed the least and it was a pretty bad outfit. So he went home.

    Tim Gunn who knew better than the judges what happened in the sewing room BLEW HIS STACK in front of all of the contestants in the back room. Basically blamed Gretchen and it was obvious he believed it was HER FAULT that the team did poorly. She didn’t take responsibility and the team refused to call her out in front of the judges so poor AJ ate it.
    Great ending Tim!

    • Need a Hobby says:

      IMO Tim didn’t just blame Gretchen, he blamed all of them for just going along with Gretchen’s “vision” and not asserting their own individual points of view and aesthetic within the confines of the challenge. (Which is what the other team succeeded in doing and got the win as a result.) Most of them spent more time cockily dissing the other team, assuming they had the win in the bag, rather than paying attention or taking a critical eye to the work they were producing. Blaming Gretchen doesn’t get them out of their own responsibility for what they chose to do and the end result.

      • mnsue says:

        That was something, wasn’t it? Way to go Tim. He is so great in general.

        I like watching again. I didn’t for a couple seasons.

        Austin and Santino’s half hour is really sweet too. In the first few minutes I thought it was going to be them bashing small towns but it wasn’t. They commented on it but they are self deprecating too. And SO SO nice to the girls/women they are sewing for.

        • kats2 says:

          it was awesome and really needed.

        • Blue Sky says:

          Love Tim Gunn and the Austin & Santino show too. They do behave nicely in the small towns, in a “tongue & cheek” kind of way. Small towns are the best, being a little biased in my opinion, having grown up in one. The reaction to Austin & Santino when they blow into town looking for fabric is hilarious! In my hometown, they would be featured in the local paper and talked about quite possibly for years after, with affection.

    • lillybee says:

      The funny thing is that Michael C. had the only piece that the judges liked.

  45. Dwight Schrute says:

    Oasis Winery is about 90 min from DC. If they all took the limo out there, how did Cat and Jason get home?

    With respect to next week. I recognized a few members of the DC City Council in the previews.

    • Ellabean says:

      is dwight shrute your real name or nome d’plume or a literary reference or….?

      • mnsue says:

        I love that his name is Dwight Shrute.
        Maybe it really is his name……:) but I’m pretty sure he is referencing the hilarious Regional Manager’s Assitant at Dunder Mifflin! And beet farmer extraordinaire.

        (The Office)

        • Ellabean says:

          Oh – from The Office?

          I think I am the only person thta has never seen that show. I know it’s popular – and I love Steve Corel.

    • dumberries says:

      Dwight, do you find the ladies in the DC series to fairly represent the DC women you’ve encountered? All people are different, but there’s a general culture for each city.
      P.S. I grew up in OC and can’t watch that series – the OC HWs too accurately represent the culture there that didn’t fit my style.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        “Having a bathroom is a privilege. It is called a ‘ladies room’ for a reason. And if you can not behave like ladies, well then you are not going to have a bathroom.”
        – Dwight in The Dundies

    • kats2 says:

      Beets. . . .Battlestar Galactica. . . .

  46. ramonacoaster says:

    I’ve been reading a lot of comments saying The Salahis are a middle-aged Speidi and I have to agree with that observation. Regarding Cat, she is really rude but I do have a certain respect for people that speak their mind. As Bethenny would say “let’s address the elephant in the room.” She’s annoyed by The Salahis glossing over the security situation at the vineyard and the conversation about the CBC dinner went over really well in the car. I’d be annoyed if Michaele kept saying love and light. Doessn’t that sociopath Danielle say the same thing?

    I have a friends and family from Europe and I always have to listen to some comment about Americans. They get annoyed when they’re at some sporting event and they hear Americans chanting, “We’re number one! We’re number one!” But what the hell? Who chants ,”We’re number sixteen! We’re number sixteen!” I get my digs when they are least expecting it.

    Mary Amons is a nice person but she’ll get in trouble if she remains neutral and doesn’t give her opinion as freely as most of the other housewives on these shows. I think niceness is sensed as weakness and the vultures will descend if she’s not careful and smart. Time will tell. Mary has to borrow some of Cat’s outspokenness and Cat has to borrow some of Mary’s diplomacy and manners.

    I like this show so far. I’m probably one of the few that does. No table flips so far or wig pulling. Just the White House party crashers and it takes more balls to crash the White house than to try to rip a wig off someone’s head.

  47. Di says:

    Hi all,
    Sorry for the long post. I’ve been coming here almost every day for months, but I’ve only posted a couple of times in response to others’ comments. I found this great blog after googling what else but “I hate Jill Zarin.” I just needed to know there were others like me out there. So thanks Lynn!

    I love reading everyone’s comments and appreciate how well you can play nice and agree to disagree (so rare on blogs). I was just reading through the comments on Lynn’s post from yesterday and there was a great convo going on about Stacie and her meeting her birth mom/searching for birth dad and I wanted to weigh in since I have personal experience. I thought I’d bring it up on today’s blog so I might still get responses.

    I think it was Earring Girl, Dumberries, Quincy and WindyCityWondering having this convo. Quincy, you mentioned you always had an interest in adopting, but now get the impression that many adoptees are unhappy about being adopted and need resolution. I was adopted when I was a few weeks old and found my birth mom 5 years ago (I’m 35 now). I always was and still am so grateful that I was adopted. I had the best dad in the world, kind of a pain in the a$$ mom but she did the best she could and I love her no matter what, and a great adopted brother too. My parents always told us we were adopted, so there wasn’t any betrayal of being lied to, which I think is key in adopting children.

    My take on Stacie’s search and many adoptees’ searches (after having convos with countless other adoptees) isn’t that there is unhappiness towards being adopted or anger towards their birth moms (and we’re all very well-aware we could’ve been prevented whether by pill or procedure if birth mom had wished to do so); it’s that there is a need to know our complete stories. Just as many people search their ancestry or want to hear stories from their parents about where their families come from, we want that too. While many of us completely identify with our adopted families as our own, how we got there is a mystery that some of us want to solve.

    Personally I felt I had a right to a better medical history than I had because I had some strange medical issues a few years ago and doctors were always asking about my history, which I didn’t know. I was adopted in the mid 70’s and my medical history was probably 3 sentences long, and totally full of holes. I was also curious to know how I came to be on this earth, so I contacted a state agency to unseal my records, had an intermediary contact birth mom for medical history and we ended up talking. We hit it off and a few months later I went to visit her and her family members. They were all wonderful and welcoming, wanted to immediately fit me into the family tree, which was a lovely alternative to being told to take a hike. We continued to talk and met up once again. However, it became a complicated situation as I do not see them as my family as much as I see them as my birth mom’s family. Since my parents both passed away in the last few years, it almost feels to me like betraying them to treat my birth mom’s family as my “real” family or replacement family since I loved my “real” (adopted) family so much. Those complicated feelings made me decide to hold off on trying to contact my birth father, and I feel happy with the information I have now.

    Long story short, everyone has their own path in life, but don’t take for granted what it is to know where you came from because that is often a step in really understanding who you are. I didn’t learn anything earth shattering, but I learned some interesting things good and bad, and it helped me solve the mystery of where I came from. Ironically, in the end I realized the first place I came from wasn’t as important as everything that happened after that, but I would’ve never known that if I hadn’t looked and found the missing piece.

    Thanks Lynn for creating such a great blog community with such though-provoking discussions, which attract such intelligent commentators. I’ve really enjoyed reading what everyone here has to say.

    • dumberries says:

      Di, so glad you posted! Hope you post more often.

      Thank you for sharing your story – really enlightening. I can totally appreciate the desire to understand your origins. Sounds like you had a great adoptive family and got a lot of the answers you needed, which is great.

      “.. in the end I realized the first place I came from wasn’t as important as everything that happened after that…” – so true, and the philosophy can be applied to so many things in life.

      • Di says:

        thanks db!

      • Char212 says:

        Dumberries said it so well but I just want to thank you for sharing your story. I’ve known several people who were adopted and they have told me almost the exact same things you just said.

        • Quincy IL says:

          I think all the adoptees that read our comments should know that everyone has compassion for them.

          The courts need to make sure that adopted children have access to family medical histories. In this age, that should be easy.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      @Di your story is fascinating and thank you for sharing it with us!

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Thank you for sharing your story. I’m sorry to hear about your adoptive mom and dad passing. It must have made the results of your search more poignant.

      • Di says:

        Thanks for your kind words OneMoreInBoston. You’re very right it did. I’m just happy I had the time with them I did.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Di, thank you for posting, I found your story heartwarming.
      And thanks to Lynn for her great blogs, and allowing us to gather and share our thoughts, too.

      Please keep on posting. Your story helped me understand my son (he’s adopted, 16 years old) better. He has always known that he is adopted, and he’s very well adjusted, just a great kid. Really makes us proud. Not too long ago he was asking if I thought he had brothers or sisters, and how he’d like to meet them someday. It will be almost impossible to find his birth mom, plus she may not want to be found, since he was born in India. I do not emphasize heritage, or traits, etc. at all as I think that would make him feel left out. He does identify a lot with my family, because most of them were soldiers in WWII. He is determined to be a marine.

      • Di says:

        Thanks everyone!

        Blue Sky, I’m so happy I could do that for you. Your son sounds wonderful, it sounds like you’re doing a great job. I’m sure he thinks of you and your family as much as a gift to him as he is to you.

        Have a great night all, can’t believe it’s almost 3 am!

  48. Wall St Lady says:

    Blue Sky thank u for your kind words. I was wondering how u took Blue sky. My 1st WS job right our of college was at Meril Lynch. I was in the blue skying of mini bonds. I applied for their training program & had a very high score. They didn’t know what to do w/me because there were no women in the training program so I was told I was too young & had no sales experience & that NOBODY on WS would ever hire me & I should go back to NC & teach school. (Meanwhile I sold more girl scout cookies tan anyone in the state & also sold my grandmothers roses door to door for years) Anyway when I went back to the Blue Sky division my manager walked me to the top of the platform & said “do u see these 50+ men & said every man here wants to get into the training program & waits to b invited. You jumped the line ; the line was invisible to me. Anyway he told me I didn’t fit in & fired me !
    W/in 2 weeks I got into another national firms training program

    • Blue Sky says:

      WSL, wow look at the adversity you had to overcome. So what happened next, I am loving listening to your story. If you don’t mind telling us, were you on Wall St. in the 70’s ? Younger women should hear your story and thank you for pioneering the path for women to work along side men! We know you were a great saleswoman (which for people who are not in sales should know is the toughest thing to do, not at all easy). Oh, I use Blue Sky because the sky is so beautiful to look at on a clear but partly cloudy day, and wide open. Wish we could see the stars at night in NJ, haven’t seen the milky way since leaving the midwest. “Starry Night” would have been a good name for me too. Please WSL, tell us more. You should right a book!

  49. Zipit Zarin says:

    Thank you for sharing your story Di. I never thought I’ve taken my family for granted but after reading yours I realize in some ways I have. Sharing what you have lived makes me SO appreciate that I know my family tree and all that it entails. You’ve given me a gift 😀

    And now for something completely different:


    • dumberries says:

      Too funny, the ramonacoaster was on the downward slide that day. What a diva!

    • Di says:

      Hi Zipit, I’m so glad! 🙂

      I think Ramona is crazy and hilarious! At least she seems more self aware than many of the other HWs. I like her because when she acts badly she owns it and apologizes.

  50. chismosa says:

    hi everyone, i’m about 1/2way down the comments-
    first off: Teresa’s saying: I attack back, etc.- didn’t Caroline or Danielle say that first on the show? I think Tre is taking someone else’s saying…

    RHDC: i know i am in the minority but i like Cat. I have tons of cousins and family friends in Europe- but not England- but yes i have been to England- and that way of talking, i get it. The reaction to things, i get it. i don’t think she means ill will- she really is just taken aback by how some people act here. And the Salahis, esp Tareq were beyond beyond. i would have reacted the same way.

    since some people were talking about race up above, and Obama, i am not talking about black/white- but the raging issue going on in the area i live in- NY- of not walking 10 feet without seeing an Asian woman with a white man. there are no more white men left now for those of us that are single. I am seriously going to write a blog or something about this. i am just so infuriated that white guys don’t find white women (i don’t care for the expression ‘caucasian’ – Stacie)- attractive enough or whatever enough, there are no words. i’m sorry but i steam every single day.
    i know everyone should be with who they want, but i am old fashioned when it comes to this. many people have old fashioned views on abortion, male/female relationships, raising kids, everything. in this sense i am beyond rage! i can’t watch one episode of anything having to do with weddings or dating on WE, TLC or an E-harmony commercial without having it shoved in my face. i’ve had it. i am an angry sad white girl and i can cry about this if i want! why aren’t the asian guys crying about lack of women? or maybe they are…

    ok sorry just had to let off some steam somewhere. i hope i dont gather too much wrath.

    still hate jill, i dont care what you are doing, why is she equating ‘choosing to be gay’ with marriage? She is an idiot and i cannot believe Lynn you don’t have a full blog entry dedicated to us all crying in agony that she is re-cast for next season. seriously!

    i hate jill, no matter what Teresa or anyone does. Because Jill is sinister and smart about it. Tre is just dumb and i hate to say, sort of trashy in her ways.

    • error404 says:

      and the other side to boot! My field has seen a big influx of Asian women in recent years, and none of my co-wokers are married or dating non-white guys. LOL

      I have a mixed race marriage and really don’t care, so it doesn’t bother me. I really don’t get into the whole “you have to marry someone just like you” stuff, like the way Jill insists Ally has to marry Jewish, etc…

      I just think it’s a funny trend

      • Blue Sky says:

        Really opens up the field when you consider a spouse from another ethnic group. And opens up your life too, to experience another culture. I’ve never regretted marrying outside the white caucasian ethnic group!

    • dallaschick says:

      I had to respond to your post because your anger over white guys dating Asian women sounds just like some of my black girlfriends (I’m black too btw) complaining about too many black guys being with white women. When I was single, I never let interracial relationships upset me because I figured no matter how many black men only wanted to date white women, God would just have to bring me one! I know it’s hard being single, but you don’t want to let yourself get to the place where you’re angry everyday because that’s going to stand in the way of finding a great relationship of your own. Also, it seems like you’re not interested in marrying outside your race, but if I were you I’d keep my options open. I’d always thought I’d marry a black man, but lo and behold, I met a white guy who asked me out. I said no at first, but he finally wore me down and now we’re married.

      Best of luck finding the right guy. Stay hopeful and positive and open-minded and the right one will come, I promise.

      • Quincy IL says:

        I have heard that kind of talk too. Expand the search if you need more men to consider. Go to the New England Fair in Springfield, MA. I was shocked that there were so few minority citizens there.

    • truelifediva says:

      I don’t have the statistics in front of me but most people still date within their race. The percentage of interracial marriages is a single digit number. I live in San Diego, a major military town. We have a lot of mixed marriages. We have large number of military men who bring back Filipino brides from being on WestPak. I used to have a mobile wedding make-up/hair business and I can’t tell you how many weddings I’ve done where the bridal party was all Filipino and the groom’s party was all white. Stereotypes still exist and I hear the one about Asians being submissive and docile all the time. But every Asian woman I know is just like every latino, black, and white woman I know. Stereotypical FEMALE traits are more common than ethnic ones. People prefer race just like people prefer body type. I get pissed every time I see a guy with a super boney chick. I’m like, are you an undercover pedophile? Are you secretly gay? But in the end we all like what we like and as long as no one asks you to get plastic surgery to look another race, screw ’em!

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Where in San Deigo are you? I am in San Clemente, it’s in South Orange but still a stones throw from Camp Pendleton.

        • truelifediva says:

          I knew @Squirrels wasn’t my only neighbor! 😉 I live smack dab in the middle. North Park, around the corner from Mission Valley and Qualcom Stadium.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            Hubby said that is about an hour for us- I am new to SoCal and to the US so I don’t know where everything is yet but DH is a local.

  51. The particular issue of a family health history is the one that has always stood out for me. You adopt a child, and then have to fill out forms and you just can’t answer those questions. As a woman ages, her birth mother’s family history becomes important to know in a medical situation. Menopause, breast cancer, polyps, etc. It all factors in. I wish it were some kind of law that the medical history of birth parents could somehow be accessed, even if identifying factors were excluded (ie name, etc.)

  52. Char212 says:

    Another HW falls…almost..http://realitywives.net/blogs/2010/08/rhooc-the-bellinos-averts-foreclosure/
    They haven’t paid on their mortgage since Jan. Another grifter it seems.

  53. Wall St Lady says:

    I started on WS in ’76. I love love love to encourage women in business and have frequently had the honor of giving motivational speeches.Several times I have been offered a book contract but declined mostly because even if you find a ghost writer you like it takes much more work than I am willing to commit to. But who knows & I do believe u should never say never. On this blog (my only blog) I have mostly shared my personal experience & not so much professional cuz no one else does. I am glad u r just”down the block” in NJ. What is ur career path ?

    • Blue Sky says:

      WSL, went to college in the midwest, after graduating from high school in 1976. It took 6 1/2 years, because I worked & went to school, but that’s the best way because all that work experience (even working busing trays in the cafeteria) taught me a lot. I worked in research laboratories, after getting my B.S. in Nutrition. Met my husband while in college, and continued to work while he completed his ph. D. One year I even worked in a brokerage firm, and remember the DOW being under 1,000 points! After my husband graduated, we moved to NJ and have been here for 25 years. I went back to school for computer science, and worked for a large insurance company for many years. When my son was a baby, I was happy to quit working at 36 and stay home to take care of him. By the time he started school full time, I found myself in real estate sales. The boom years were great, now it is slower than molasses. That’s how I know how hard sales are. By the way, in the last few years I counseled many people not to buy, and I would go over their mortgages with them, trying to protect buyers from getting in over their heads. Many people were duped into buying houses they could not afford, thinking prices would never fall. I was waiting for the crash since 2004, but never thought it would be this bad. That was based on inventory (which was increasing, not decreasing) and the knowledge every market has to correct eventually, especially when over the last 100 plus years, real estate usually only increased an average of 3 % a year, not 10 % or more for 5 plus years. We had a “crash” in 1988 in real estate in NJ that took almost 12 years to correct. So it’s going to be an even slower recovery this time.

  54. boston02127 says:

    Check out the up open transportation! http://twitpic.com/2itwko

    pssst Jill….it’s a mini van. No biggie. (and your dress is ugly)

    • dumberries says:

      When she’s not plugging her own crap, she can’t even get the product/even name right.. It’s only 2 letter “US’ not “UP”… No wonder she can’t wrangle a lot of paid product endorsements…

  55. dumberries says:

    I liked this interview with Danielle regarding why the MLG tribe are against her and Teresa’s explosions:


    • boston02127 says:

      I like that interview too. I’m not a Danielle fan but I think Danielle pretty much calls it like she sees it. I wish the tables would turn and viewers would start seeing her side vs the motley crew and start seeing their faults. Also, she looked pretty in this interview, softer looking.

      • dumberries says:

        I swear, if Andy doesn’t let Danielle spill the current dirt on the motley crew (after letting them reveal her really old transgressions to the world), I will jump through my tv and shove him myself. I’m getting my hopes up for the reunion; she said “you will see people shamed” – what a tease she is…

    • dumberries says:

      Cute article and great photo. She’s smart, she plugged the SkinnyGirl Margarita in an article about baby products.. I loved the show “Monk”; B’s love of the baby wipe made me think of Monk.

  56. Wall St Lady says:

    Blue sky I just reread all ur upstream posts had enjoyed your posts befor but now understand u much better. So your husband has his PHD & is from India & u r Irish. Your adopted son sounds loved & doted upon. But he is getting to b a big boy:I hope his sports endeavors just get more successful ! Good night & sweet dreams blue sky

    • Blue Sky says:

      Good nite, WSL. Love your posts & have learned a lot. Tomorrow tell us about Wall St. & what you think is going to happen. By the way, thank God I’m about 25 % Irish, to balance out the German Swiss! What extraction are you?

  57. Noelle says:

    Thanks Boston(great info/links)…How’s Mom? Just checking in love.
    You’re a wonderful daughter!! Sending the best wishes and all my love to you both!
    Peace sistah! 😉

  58. Noelle says:

    Wall St Lady-
    Are you still here?

  59. Wall St Lady says:

    I am here

    • Noelle says:

      My sister is ill and has been responding to you and Wall St Man?..
      She hopes you’ve made a full recovery and adore’s you both.

  60. chismosa says:

    to Blue Sky- just don’t know if Replies show up if they’re new at the time or not: i totally agree, and i am two very different cultures however within one race- and so so proud. I just think it’s perfectly easy to learn new cultures while also being traditional. i’m old fashioned i guess.
    i just needed somewhere to vent, sorry! it’s just a little out of control where i am.

    • Blue Sky says:

      I’m pulling for you to find the right person, what’s in a person’s heart is so much more important than what they look like on the outside. You will find someone. Many many years ago, I started thinking “all guys are jerks” after a bad relationship. I gave up, and was at peace. Shortly after met the man who had the courage to marry me, against his family’s wishes. We are still together, and very happy. Against all odds, but when you are young and in love, the world cannot stop you. We met watching world cup soccer games, and still watch every 4 years!

  61. chismosa says:

    that was a really good post of Danielle with the ridiculous Billy Bush- and i agree, if Andy talks down to Danielle like he always does, i hope he hears it from viewers. He really does not respect her, or he just shows disrespect more to her than to the thug Jew-dice and Manzo/Jacqueline crew.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Did you see Danielle’s reaction when Billy asked “who doesn’t love Anndy Cohen?”
      She just looked down.

  62. dumberries says:

    Cracked up reading about how Caroline thinks she was so tough at the reunion. I hope she did something more bad-ass than whip out the c-word (clown) again…


    • Quincy IL says:

      So adult of Caroline. My husband was such a great influence on my behavior. When I am attacked, I become silent. No need to give the attacker ammunition or be able to make and excuse for their bad behavior.

  63. dumberries says:

    Good night everyone…

  64. Wall St Lady says:

    Hi sister of Noelle. I was very sick my self but am on the mend & plan to be back at the office after Labor Day. U r blessed to have a sister who loves & cares for u. I am from NC & although have been in NYC for over 30 years I still have a Southern accent. WSMan was born & raised in the lower east side of Manhattan & is 100% Italian. He looks like an Italian Cary Grant & he is on CNN CNBC or Bloomberg every month. When we were 1st dating he was Pres. Of a bank on 5th Ave. & there was a law that bank Pres. Had to have a guard w/a gun to prevent kidnapping. So every date we went on this man was w/us. Actually it was funny ;I wouldn’t let him kiss me so he asked me to mary him on the 4th date. Now its 20years later & we r still madly in love. I pray u have a fast recovery !

    • cusi77 says:

      How a romantic story WSL! I hope you are feeling better now and happy to be back to work. You are a very sweet lady.

    • Noelle says:

      What a lovely story…we’re both crying, tears of joy..I think,(wink) How Beautiful!
      Truly Beautiful!
      So glad you’re on the mend…Godspeed!
      Wall St Man-you did your lady proud!! xoxo

    • Quincy IL says:

      I watch CNN, Bloomberg, and CNBC so I am going to look for an Italian hottie with a lot of intelligence. LOL…

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I just like you Wall St. Lady :). Great love story and will need to look out for Wall St. Man. Does he do Ali Velshi’s show?

  65. Wall St Lady says:

    Cusi77 & Noelle u haven’t told me how u choose ur moniker ?

  66. chismosa says:

    i think Caroline says there are “no words” to describe the reunion because of the way Tre will act. Teresa should be embarrassed for herself. Remember Lynn (and i agree)- says that Caroline is really not that fond of Tre, deep down. i believe that too.
    Also i think we’ll see exactly what Danielle said in that interview above- that TERESA and JAQUELINE get so incensed every time that Danielle calls out TRUE things, with Teresa it’s finances and her crazy raising of her daughters, and J- it’s her ridiculous daughter & the entire family’s inability to see that Ashley should pay for what she did.

    • Noelle says:

      I am not a fan of Caroline. She talks out both sides of her face…who can/would trust?
      No thank you.

      • Quincy IL says:

        I am not a fan of Caroline either. I do realize that these women are in difficult positions which they placed themselves into for fame. The Brownstone was doing well so there was no need for the Manzo wives to take this reality show into their lives. The person who needed fame and money was Danielle, but they didn’t care about her real needs.

        I think the DC women will regret becoming part of this faux world. Why would a real socialite want to share their secrets with people they don’t know?

        Movie stars used to try to hide their personal lives from the press. Now, the faux stars spread their own lives out for the world. I don’t get it.

  67. Wall St Lady says:

    Cusi77 & Noelle how did u choose ur moniker ?
    Wall St man appreciates ur words

  68. lillybee says:

    I just had a wild idea. I would love to see the lawsuit filed by Danielle against Tree and Ashley heard by Judge Judy. She would give all the smackdown they richly deserve.

  69. Wall St Lady says:

    U give an idoit ENOUGH rope & they WILL hang them self

    We don’t need to worry about ill or Trasha.

  70. Squirrels says:

    Lynn…. Before I begin to read the comments…to my knowledge, his name is Darren, not Darrel. If he got tossed under the bus, it is only right to give him his due with accuracy. I know him on twitter as @Darrennyc.

    If I am wrong, I’ll apologize profusely.

    • Quincy IL says:

      Isn’t it amazing that people like Kim Z and NeNe have all of these personal assistants? I need one too.

      Around here the American housekeepers ask for $15.00 per hour and they are very specific about what they will do during the time they come to clean your house. If you want anything additional, like cleaning perro pee pee…you are going to pay extra or they will just say, “No.” Zola and Mary’s housekeeper seem to multitask and you never see that here. I thought that Rosie from Luann’s house babysat, was a cook, cleaned, was a laundress , and was a slave friend to Luann. How much did she get paid for all of that?

  71. Wall St Lady says:

    Cussi77 & Noelle how did u choose ur moniker ?

  72. Noelle says:

    @Wall Street Lady,
    I’m intrigued. According to my sister, WSM read all posts to you when you were you were very ill. (Much as I’m doing now!)
    Lynn has quite a following!!
    Our brother helps out too. please don’t hold it against us! LOL
    Blessings to all.

  73. Noelle says:

    No ELLE (as she’d like to say) was random. Her (vixen from hell)daschund, she named Elle, has chewed any/everything within view. She’s quite the bitch! (Noelle(moniker) has no idea I’m saying this-lol) So NO=elle was formed!
    I love animals by the way!

  74. Noelle says:

    I jest, but chemo sucks!

    • Quincy IL says:

      Chemo does suck. I hope that everyone will feel bettter. Having a good mindset does help in all treatments. There is scientific data that shows this. The support of family and friends helps too.

  75. boston02127 says:

    Quote from Caroline Manzo: “A typical Jersey girl knows who she is and if not afraid to speak her mind,” Manzo says. “She is comfortable in a t-shirt and jeans screaming at a football game, and just as easily blends into a black tie event with grace and dignity.”

    Grace & dignity?

  76. Wendy says:

    I was just reading Danielle’s blog and the comments. The majority of them are positive.

    Also, it seems that Teresa and Caroline are always giving interviews, making appearances together. Where’s Jac? Trouble in the family?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO after the Country Club incident – Chris is not too happy with either his wife or daughter…..remember he gave her a sort of ultimatum about her friendship with Danielle, so maybe now it is the show or their marriage….

  77. Wall St Lady says:

    NoElle that is so cute ! Up until I was about I thought ny name was NO
    I am sure u know Ellisbean , bean is her lab’s name too. I thought u loved Christmas or something. 🙂

    • Ellabean says:

      Thanks for the shout out Wall Street ~

      “Ella” is my yellow Labbie girl’s name. Bean is one of her many nick names…..along with pea nut, sweet pea, love bug….yes, we are pretty silly when it comes to her.

  78. Wall St Lady says:

    Chisma what is that for ? So r u in NYC ?

  79. Wall St Lady says:

    I was saying up until I was 30 I thought my name was No ciz that is what was said to me just like elle. I use 2 BB s & an I pad & one is old & does funky things. Often I will type a “master piece” & the whole bloody post will disappear much to my total frustration !! 😦

  80. Wall St Lady says:

    I should have said
    M O nin Miss Daisy

    If U were here I would sing u the song from “Singing in the Rain”. I annoy some people cuz I never met a stranger & I wake up HAPPY !

  81. TLM says:

    Don’t know why some of my posts haven’t been posting. I had tried to post yesterday that I was very surprised about the Alex modeling gig. I think it is a testament to what makeup, lighting and a skilled hairdresser on-set can do, because in most of the photos on her modeling page, I would not be able to identify her as Alex. Her hair has consistently looked fried for several seasons, and yet there are photos where it looks like silk. Who knows, it could have been a wig. For anyone who has seen America’s Next Top Model, you know the degree of fakery that happens in fashion photography. In the ones where she IS recognizable, like standing in the kiddie pool in her backyard, she does not look like model material at all. The good photos on there seem to be a result of clever angles and a closed or barely-open mouth. No, it was not nice when JZ said she has the body, but not the face of a model, but I think few would disagree with that statement.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Unlike some housewives – Alex has good bones and lot to work with and her natural grace lends itself to being a celebrity model. Just the fact that she is in the “celebrity” division has to really cheese Jill off! lol

    • truelifediva says:

      I remember during season1 Alex, Bethenny, and Ramona (I think) were getting their hair and makeup done before attending a fashion show. Bethenny made a joke about Johann translating Latin into Mandarin and Alex guffawed explosively at it. They zoomed in on her face and I was HORRIFIED at how yellow and crooked her teeth were. Some people have said she’s gotten Lumineers/caps since then but I think she has Invisaligns and got Zoom whitening because her two front teeth still cross over a little bit and the shape of her teeth is still funky. She has made improvements each season although I don’t know what made her think she could do Playboy. Every time I look at her I see the FrankenBerry character 😉

  82. Wall St Lady says:

    Caro Lying. Snookie doesn’t wear jeans ! That would cover up her ugly BODY too much. Also she wouldn’t know what an elegant ball gown was if it hit her in her tacky hair. Plus I don’t know any classy gala that would let her in. Lord even if she tried to sneak it she would b shown the door.And particularly at “high brow”events sprayed on orange skin is not admired , to say the least. Snark snark.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Did you see the Bazaar photo shoot of Snooki, JWOWW, and Sammi?

      The editors had them done up like they were going to a debutant ball, with demure ball gowns, soft hair, and what I call “church makeup”-you know just a little.

      They looked absolutely stunning-ESPECIALLY Snooki! She looked almost like a 1940’s film star.

      I was a little gratified that she lost the pouf for a couple of weeks and did her hair like the magazine stylists had.

      It must not have garnered enough male attention in the nightclubs because the pouf made it’s way back…higher, bigger , and more brazen than before. But now capped with a hot pink cowboy hat. With rhinestones…sigh…

  83. TLM says:

    My other post which did not appear to have posted is that I felt sucker-punched by Bethenny. She Tweeted yesterday that “drugstore.com is my new obsession” and gushed that she ordered diapers, ziploc bags and something else from there. Here I was thinking B was just giving a shout out to some site she found, and then I saw the link to the article here that showed her as a spokesperson for Drugstore.com’s “mommy essentials” or something. I always thought drugstore.com was overpriced and was surprised B would use them, and then when I saw the article here, it pissed me off.

    Look, I don’t care if you’re a spokesperson. I get that she makes money from doing endorsements, and now is the time to cash in, while she’s hot. But don’t make me feel duped as a fan by engaging in viral marketing that makes it sound like you personally just like something, only for me to find out you’re getting paid for saying that. B did the same thing a few months ago, directing people to some subscription-based shopping site. People were shocked — and pissed. As far as I know, B never offered an explanation or apology. When you make your name based on honesty and openness, then do things like that, it makes fans feel like they have been hoodwinked and are regarded as a bunch of dopes who will blindly follow anything. And they don’t appreciate it. If she had just said, “Proud to be a new spokesperson for Drugstore.com! I love their service!” I could respect that. At least be open about why you are plugging something.

    • emt2 says:

      yeah. i agree with you. when it comes down to it, all reality stars (and real stars, entertainers, etc.) are in it for money and fame and their personalities are kinda crafted in order to make the most.

      i noticed a long time ago that B isn’t “authentic” in the way that you might judge a lay person who isn’t involved in the entertainment world. She said in a video something like: What’s the point if you aren’t rich? I don’t believe in being poor. It’s bullshit.

      Bethenny is all about making money. Not that she doesn’t care about her work, but money and fame and her primary motivators. So, she will plug what she has to plug, even if plugging something kinda something she would look down upon if someone else were to do it.

      • Olivia says:

        The money and the fame is what drives these women, no matter which one we are discussing. From Bethenny right down to Ashley, this is what drives them to do whatever it takes in front of the camera which grants them access toward achieving that goal.

        I have no problem with anyone earning a buck through this means, it is just that we continue to imbue them with sharing our values when it is not often the case at hand. They agree to assuming a role via the “character” they agree to play and we fall into the mistaken belief that they are “just like us”. When these same women agree to appear alongside one another after we have witnessed them behaving in the most abhorrent fashion, this is where the “shared values” come into play. Most of us in real life would shun those who would do us harm by the foul means we have witnessed yet they seem more than eager to continue as they dither over the contract.

        They are not like us in most respects and though I applaud anyone wanting to make the most of their moment by “cashing in” while the opportunity exists, revealing their motivations up front would at least display a shred of honesty by admitting this enterprise up front.

        It’s all about the money and fame which applies to each and every one of them. Probably the only instance of “reality” that holds true in these productions.

      • TLM says:

        I think this discussion came up before. I kind of never understood B’s bashing of Jill for supposedly being fixated on material things, when B is focused plenty on money and material things.

        I feel that, like celebs like Oprah, B’s currency lies in the fact that she “tells it like it is”, which I would hope would mean she would be honest with fans. If that is ceasing to be the case, I think she will see a dropoff in popularity.

        • truelifediva says:

          I think Jill’s habit of quoting how much things cost and “Does he have a big PP-Private Plane?” grate on the nerves after a while. Also her private fashion show luncheons that only a select few, very rich can afford is nausiating. Bethenny hustles products like a whore at a convention, Jill promises BJ’s for jewelry and acts elite. I guess its the type of shilling/hustle that separates the two.

    • Sha2000 says:

      “At least be open about why you are plugging something.”

      Right. And they are all (almost all) plugging something. I followed Simon (NY) on Twitter & got a message right away asking if I’d seen their book. I tweeted back thanks BUT with two kids older than his I could easily write my own parenting book; who knows if he even will ever see it. Point is it’s pushing & annoying. We are pounded with advertising daily, do we really need to sign-up with these folks to be exposed unwittingly to more? Sorry Simon & Bethenny but I do not need your parenting advice or need hear about huggies vs pampers from you; most of us been there & done that & have MORE years of parenting experience…if we started tweeting them on what products to use & what to read, maybe then they’d get the point??? Bethenny, Simon, etc,etc have to watch the fine line they are walking or they are bound to lose fans. As I’ve said before its the one thing I like about Caroline; she is not pushing her products & services. Yes, the BS is featured on the show but that’s all, her real estate & diaper bag businesses are not being pimped out on the show or twitter, etc, at all.

      • Olivia says:

        But she is “pitching” something even if it is not the something you can order online or hold in your hands.

        She is “pitching” the advocacy of violence and fraud by offering continuous excuses of the bad behavior this show in particular practices. By remaining as one of the “housewives” she is in agreement with the overall attitude that “anything goes” when it comes to earning a buck especially when it comes to someone as vile as Teresa. Giggling at her antics is indeed “pitching” to a large degree since we have now come to realize that most of her life is without any ethical leanings.

        It may be nothing more on Caroline’s part to be involved than hyping up the Brownstone, or promoting Dina’s charity, but she is “pitching” a questionable product out of NJ that is awash in violence and obscenity not matter how loosely it is explained away.

        • OneMoreinBoston says:


          VERY well put!

          OMG-@Olivia I fall in love with you a little more every day…

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Totally agree – Caroline knows she has a platform and she is not using it to extoll “family values” but is using it as a warning not to mess with her family! And the lies, the gang mentality, the use of violence and intimidation is all acceptable when in defence of “her family”.

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        Well, I have read several times that celebrities get paid to tweet. Just the other day B tweeted how drugstore.com is her favorite cuz she can get stuff for Cookie, Bryn and Jason. Ok, Ms. B (thanks for that Ms. WS) we are NOT interested in “tweetmercials”…julst keep it real.

        • BambiBaby22 says:

          And it’s not just Bethenny, as stated Simon is becoming unbearable with his shameless self-promotion. I have a feeling he made a BIG mistake leaving Hotel Chandler and starting his own business. Now his tweets are just all the same stuff as everyone else about spending times in the Hamptons, etc. The reason WHY I like Silex was because they are like us “average” folks.

          • TLM says:

            I actually don’t think Silex were ever trying to be average people…they always aspired to more. I stopped following SVK’s tweets because they veered into the juvenile and were coming so fast and furious, I wonderdered when he had time for anything else. Didn’t know he quit Hotel Chandler. I always wondered why he didn’t work for a clothing company. It seems that is where his passion is.

  84. Wall St Lady says:

    Month nin TLC. Once for 4 days I couldn’t post. I thought I had been thrown out of the Lynn family. Finally in desperation (& tears) I got on squirrels blog & stated my sad case & got in touch w/Lynn & I got a king post from Lynn : explaining trolls & spam. Then halalula I was redeemed from spam/troll hell & back on. I was soooo happy.Ever since then squirrels is my hero. If u haven’t read chapter 1- 4 u r missing a real treat. But bring the klenex for the first chapter. U will see what an amazing Mother she is & fall in love with her precious son Tad. I would say shameless plug (cuz I love that phrase) but its not my book so I am objective. But I do think “Will he Dance” will do way better than ill’s book(just kidding) but MOVE over Bethanny !

    • cusi77 says:

      WSL_ I did not chose to be Cusi, Cusi chose me… It is how I was called when I was a little girl… After entering to elementary school they stop calling me Cusi. Now my 2 Granddaughters (4 and 2 Years old) called me “Cusi” again!

    • Squirrels says:

      Thanks for the kind words WSL. I’m still plugging away at it.

  85. Wall St Lady says:

    TLM I agree !
    I am bashed every time I mention I am not a fan of Miss B.
    I met Martha Stewart when she wrote her 1st cookbook in the early 80s. One Thanksgiving in
    S Hampton I was w/ 10 or so attractive single preppy friends. We got the word that Martha was shooting a “Christmas w/Friends” video & would pay $200 to come over.& be a friend. The point is she didn’t have any friends. We snickered because even then she was so driven no one would even b her paid friend. We could see her house across the pond & could have walked over but we preferred to have fun.
    Martha was so driven to make $ she never had fun. Now mind u I was very driven too but I knew how to separate work & play & I know how to have fun.
    Over the years I saw Martha at parties & said hello. & she was always nice.
    Then there was “Recipe Gate”.
    One of my Southern Friends worked for Martha (later she had a regular segment on the Today Show) To make a long story short Martha stole from my friend. Ms multi million takes advantage of at that time a struggling gal all to grow her $$$ .
    When Martha went to jail that gal forgave Miss M & was one of the VERY few people who visited her in jail because she has a heart of gold.
    My point Miss B admits she is a loner & I just don’t notice she has friends past her staff & Jason. Her maid of honor seemed to b from the past ,resurrected for the wedding.
    Please don’t get me wrong I do not hate Bethany. I hope she transcends her drive to make $$ but I saw her snark at each cast member behind their back during the interview part .I herd her criticize Alex’s nude but taste full photos taken by her husband & I also saw her ugly topless self in a C lesbian movie.She said she wouldn’t ever do that. In my book that is lying.
    Cookie is her 1st best friend.
    About her recent Snarks. Why does she need to slap down any HW when she is on the top of the mountain.
    I fear we have a Martha Jr. I hope I am wrong. But she really lost me w/all the bathroom activities.
    Last remember the hair dresser scene in the first season where she tells (not asks) her gay hair dresser to promise they will make a baby if she isn’t married.
    I have my doubts about Jason although I think he is great in every way.
    Hoda(only celebrity) was at her wedding. I was told Hoda was stunned to b invited & remember it was a short list due to small room at the 4 Seasons.
    Too many signs for me not to be suspicious. I hope I am wrong

    • Sha2000 says:

      “I fear we have a Martha Jr. I hope I am wrong. But she really lost me w/all the bathroom activities.”

      I think so too WL; especially when you reenact your urinating on a pregnancy test strip for the cameras. Funny or not, likability only goes so far & usually dosen’t follow one into the bathroom. I’d have to say I believe that Martha would have never gone that route, no matter how much money & exposure it gave her.

      • Sha2000 says:

        Dear Bravo:
        Before searching for the next “real” housewife cast, please consider REAL housewives typically do not:

        Ride horses all day long.
        Have a life size model of a horse in their living room.
        Market sex tapes.
        Buy a domain to market your sex tape.
        File bankruptcy only after they rack up 11 million dollars in debt.
        Continue to shop after you file bankruptcy & are 11 million dollars in debt.
        Have been pole dancers.
        And brag about it.
        Make b grade topless movies.
        And criticize others when they take nude photos.
        Flip tables.
        Pee in buckets.
        And be willing to do it on camera.
        Hold their birthday party at a strip club for men.
        Crash your enemies birthday party at a strip club for men.
        Crash state dinners.
        On camera.
        And then deny it.
        Have sordid pasts…
        at least enough to fill a book.
        Have married much older men for money.
        Hang with ex-cons & call them for advice.
        Have spent double & triple digits on cosmetic surgery.
        Pimp out products & services.
        Dress their children with hoop skirts & matching pantaloons.

        Anyone care to add to this list?

      • Quincy IL says:

        Bathroom stuff doesn’t bother me.

        We had one of Martha Stewart’f former employees here in Quincy for a fundraiser. She was very careful in public not to answer questions about Martha as she might be sued. Everyone was interested in her because she had worked for Martha. I was told she was more candid in the private time with women who organized the event.

        Bethenny tells us that she doesn’t like people too. She’s honest about that. Everyone has their quirks.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Nooo… I don’t think you’re wrong. It’s too bad too. If Bethany keeps this up she’ll dilute her branding efforts.

      By the way, my brother was the director of the NY Botanical Gardens and met Martha and helped her arrange some events there.

      When he left to break out on his own, Martha asked him to be on her show (for free) to talk about his new business which is about curating historical gardens and safeguarding indigeous species, he said NO WAY.

      I couldn’t believe he was passing up free advertising with a doyenne like Martha! But he said he seen “too many shenanigans” (his direct quote) involving Martha.

      And then my 6’2″,big, huge, strapping, tough guy brother actually said “I’m a little afraid of her” LOL

      • Quincy IL says:

        I read a biography of Martha a few years ago. She clawed her way up from working on Wall Street. She was selling stock in companies that she and others knew was iffy.
        Some of her friends and friends of her husband went down with that stock. It affects your friendship when you get a hit and your friend knew it was bad.

    • truelifediva says:

      I’m afraid you have not seen ALL of the nude photos of Alex that splashed across the internet during season 1. Some were beyond “boudoir” or erotica. Some were S&M and did have Alex “spread eagle”, just not in the hotel lobby like Jill falsely claimed. I like Silex more each season but I can’t unsee those gross photos. I worked in the beauty/modeling/photography industry for many years. I’ve worked in studios that specialized in intimate photography, mostly wives posing in lingerie for calendars as presents to their husbands. I have had to apply makeup to stretch marks, c-section scars, nipples, and implants scars. But the chicks who would immediately gap open their legs for “the beaver shot” really turned my stomach. Not tasteful at all. YMMV 😦

      • emt2 says:

        to be fair, I saw some pretty distasteful photos/videos of B topless and was very creeped out. she sure likes to have her boobies hanging out….then and now.

        i don’t mind alex’s photos. they are what they are, i guess. very amateurish and something a new student in a Photo 101 class would take (I know what I’m talking about because I taught Photo 101 to children, college kids and adults and the college kids and adults ALWAYS take those kind of pics. It’s supposed to be “edgy.” whatever.

        Frankly, Kelly’s playboy pics were more disturbing to me.

  86. Wall St Lady says:

    Quincy I worked w/a $Bil Texas family & herd a somewhat typical story. A woman was personal assistant for 22 years & her boss educated her kids had them over for holidays. In other words treated her like family. When the man suddenly got very sick the daughter ended up doing something & discovered $120 000 of missing $$ in the assistants bank account.They were stunned.

    I also has one for 8 yrs who I. Took from Staten Island &treated like a daughter. She became very chic & I bought her “Channele”
    Purses & she borrowed jewlery etc.U get the picture. She had a 3yr affair under my nose w/a jr person whom she managed. She gets pregnant quits. Then goes to the press saying I fired her. I end up on the cover of the business section of the NYT WSJ & the ny Post saying something like :my name Fires Pregnant assistant .
    Assistants , often: not so good Familiarity breeds contempt. Hardest part & least successful part of my career has been managing employees.

    • Squirrels says:

      When young and single, I was assistant to the Dean of one of the colleges at Boston U. He treated me well and even came to my wedding. I quit when we left Boston and I was pregnant, but kept in touch. He ended up a VP @ George Washington U. and when I needed a reference, wrote a glowing one. I still recall him and his family warmly, particularly when I see a Woody Allen flick. Irwin was a dead ringer for that guy, right down to the wild hair.

      Good times.

    • Blue Sky says:

      WSL, that’s why you should write a book! Your stories all have so much insight, & you never know how things will turn out.

      Martha Stewart has a hideous personal life. Doesn’t make all the $ worth it to have no one in your life.

      There’s a wonderful show “The Fabulous Beekman Boys” on the Planet Green channel. One guy used to work for Martha.

      Loved your story about you & WSM. Very sweet, and romantic!

    • Quincy IL says:

      A little off topic, but kinda like an assistant….

      My husband is from Iran and members of his family had been polygamists. My kids and I would be fascinated by how that works. Technically, the first wife runs the entire show and she can say, “No second wife.” Then the husband turn around and say, “I divorce you,” three times and that first wife is officially dumped. It’s a little more complicated now, but that is how it was for a thousand years. My husband would tease me and say he wanted a second wife. I would immediately agree and list the jobs I was going to give to her…mucking stalls, raking up black wallnuts, pulling weeds…. you get the jest. LOL. That poor imaginary second wife was going to be my assistant/slave. No one volunteered for that position BTW. LOL

      • Sha2000 says:

        Lol Quincy, after watching Big love, I wouldn’t mind having the “sister wife” do the litter pan every day.

  87. Olivia says:

    When asked once during an interview why she chose to be cast on the NJ show, Caroline said that it was because it was “so much fun” to do. Fun? Really? What has come out of that trash show is anything but “fun”.

    It has come as close to being called porn as there is to be found on any MTV video. Violence, fraud, vulgar language, and repeated threats is now considered “fun”? We have been presented with pole dancing, phone sex, sexual propositions, sex tapes, drunk driving, outrageous spending, kids invited to beat up on one another, “chuckie” references, breast bearing, hair pulling, bankruptcy, suspended licenses, and a promise of “more to come” on an impossible reunion show.

    Fun? Well I suppose a sunny afternoon in Rome watching the Christians get eaten by the lions was once considered a fun way to spend the day when put into that same context.

  88. Scorpiosue1102 says:

    Another housewife that almost had her house foreclosed…..Alexis Bellino. They restructured their loan on the day they were supposed to have their house foreclosed.

    You know what gets my goat is that her husband is buying her jewelry, she’s spending money, goes to the gym, has nanny’s yet they can’t pay their mortgage. How many of these ladies do we have to watch spend when they have no money? Any plus in all this is they’re filming maybe Bravo was on the court steps to see what happens.


  89. Scorpiosue1102 says:

    Whenever Mary from RHODC says her daughter Lolly’s name I want to break out into song: “Lolly, Lolly, Lolly get your adverb here.” 🙂

  90. Wall St Lady says:

    I feel like I am having a party in my bed all by myself. (WSMan went to get a haircut)
    Iam rocking out to the Diana Ross , practicing my new I pad, cursing at one of my 2 BB while channel surfing between CNN, Bloomberg & CNBC. No telephone. My friends although annoyed w/ me at first know I hate the phone & love to tex or email. It reminds me I have un retrieved messages MY messages says dont leave a mess. At u own risk or call my office as I may never check ! & people still leave them.
    Got ta go Aretha Franklin is calling & I prefer to sing
    Have a great Day !

  91. Squirrels says:

    Is it me, or is poor Bill hanging his head in shame?

    Photoshoot with bill. Love u shelli.

    • Quincy IL says:

      I looked. Bill is asleep, Squirrels.

      • Squirrels says:

        HA! Even better still. She’s so boring, he zoned out!

        • Quincy IL says:

          If they aren’t eating, they are sleeping. Horses have different kinds of sleep. They have to lie down for deep sleep. There’s always one horse standing when the herd goes down for deep sleep. That is the guard horse.

          • Sha2000 says:

            “There’s always one horse standing when the herd goes down for deep sleep. That is the guard horse.”

            Just like us moms late at night : )

          • Squirrels says:

            Thanks for that info Quincy. Really interesting.

          • Ellabean says:

            That was really very interesting Quincy. I have no horse ‘experience’ in my life. I only know that I drive by a horse farm near my home – and recently saw a small herd – with a few young ones (“folls” – is that the correct term?) running, jumping, and playing, legs flailing. It was so darling – that I pulled my car over just to watch them for awhile.

            • Quincy IL says:

              I don’t know everything. I saw a neighbor’s expensive mare rolling and thought she had colic, a serious intestinal disease. I got my brother and when we got back to her the foal was standing up.

  92. Wall St Lady says:

    Have u noticed Alexis & her husband mention being born again & hoe she is subservient to him & they want to spread the word. Does anyone remember that. Then she wears a weeny bikini causing lust & far from modest. He is always treating her like she is property. Don’t get me wrong I have been a student of the Bible for 40years but hypocrisy makes me ill I think he is a troll & she is a trollet

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

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    • Quincy IL says:

      Lots of people are religious. I don’t think Alex is super conservative at all.
      Ramona is religious and she’s a party girl.

      • Olivia says:

        With all due respect, how can any one of them assumed to be “religious”? Just because they hang a cross around their necks the size of a boulder does not make them “religious” by any stretch.

        We saw Danielle in the beginning of the NJ season seeking counsel from priest and insisting she attends Mass every week. Then she goes on to perform in and sell a sex tape across the internet for anyone who could seriously challenge that that assertion.

        And Dina proclaiming her “spirituality” while Tweetering threats and vulgarities to those who “annoy” her is not exactly practicing what she preaches even if she is wearing a crucifix that weighs as much as she does and which hangs between her substantial breasts.

        Teresa and her over the top christening is another one saying one thing and meaning another which does not equate with “religious” behavior.

        “Religious” people do not go around half clothed with their bosoms exposed, or their vagina on display, nor do they use vulgar language in the way so much of it is flung around by these ladies. They don’t gossip, demean, or insult one another the way most of them do and still be considered “religious”.

        Ramona’s hubby sells religious artifacts and she sells jewelry most of which she has worn on the show as a product placement and probably is the one reason she chooses to wear it.

        Religious practices are individual but I fail to see one “housewife” who truly practices one tenet of faith simply by how they dress. Modesty is a long held belief but not one of these ladies has even displayed that small a measure to convince me that they are anywhere that “religious” by definition.

    • kats2 says:

      They all wear and use “Religion” and “Spirituality” like an accessory. It’s really no different than how they show off their fancy sparkling ornaments and material possessions to make it look like they are rich. We have all learned the facts that this is not the case. So they use “Religion” and “Spirituality” in a very similar way. There are many naïve over the top religious people who get sucked in and taken advantage of by these types of people. I can guarantee you Taliban Jim and Jugs his wife have many religious fans because of their Christian Claim. Connect the dots and follow the money trail – because that is what this is ultimately all about. When it comes to politics it’s about both money and votes. With the HW’s it’s about all about money.

      Haven’t we all learned, the richest people, the happiest people, people who are having great sex all the time, truly in love with their partners and family, the most religious faithful good people, the people who are honest – DO NOT TALK about these things all the time. They are just living it and it comes through in their actions and is very obvious.

      • Ellabean says:

        Hear. Hear. Well said kats2.

        • Olivia says:

          And it all goes back to the same argument that we see only what we want to see by comparing these people to ourselves. We don’t know them. We have no idea of their inner lives. We choose to imbue them with values that we can only guess at.

          Some are more obvious than others in how they live their lives, but to suggest that someone is religious based on nothing more than because they say so while acting the opposite of what we are taught to accept is naive.

          The worst people I have ever known are those who insisted on calling themselves “religious”.

          • klmh says:

            This is exactly what I have been trying to say for 4 months. We do not know these people, we cannot condemn nor admire their behavior on these shows. Would you want this for yourselves?
            How do you hate these people when you can’t know what they are really about? We see what Bravo wants us to see, what they have orchestrated, how they have manipulated friendships, situations and time lines.
            These shows to me are entertainment, but in the process, we get to see real events take place as well. For me following their real life circumstances are so much more interesting than the shows.

          • Quincy IL says:

            I live in a place with Amish, Menonites, and Apostalic Christians living in small religious communities. I went to Catholic Schools and a Catholic University. I’ve seen a lot of religious people. You can believe in a diety and wear a bikini. You can believe in a diety, follow you religion and still be a loud mouth idiot like Teresa.

            I don’t know who makes up the rules. I hope it’s not my husband’s relatives who practice Sharia in Iran.

            Ramona might be abrasive, but she talks about going to mass on her twitter and they sent their daughter to Catholic School. I don’t see her committing the kinds of sins that I was taught not to commit in Catholic Schools. It’s not a sin to wear a little yellow bikini. The type of clothing worn by a group is a social convention agreed upon by the group. It’s not a sin to go topless on a beach if that is the accepted bahavior.

            The Amish and Mennonites are visiting my Walmart every day. The shorts that some of us wear are a sin to them.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      When did that happen WSL? I don’t remember Alex ever saying they were born again and she was subservient? Was this on the show?

  93. I’m saving the comments for later, I just have to remark that RHWODC appears to be heating-up. I still haven’t broken my boycott, although I have peeked when I couldn’t find the remote, but now I’m considering catching-up with a marathon & joining the fun.
    Since I haven’t been watching, I’ve been vicariously watching reactions.
    Something surprising happened this week.
    The premiere episode ratings were slightly lower than Bethheny Getting Married?
    The week before last, the ratings dipped. This past week, ratings went UP.
    They are just shy of a million and a half viewers.
    Now here’s what I find interesting, I finally got a hold of someone who lives in the same area as the NJ wives.
    I quizzed them about sightings etc.
    They said that they never watch RHWONJ, and that they identify with the NY ladies on a personal level more than them anyhow, but then they proceeded to tell me all about the DC women.
    RHWODC may have been hurt by the party-crashers, and BRAVO’S recent mistakes, as far as losing loyal viewers like myself, but it appears that they have picked-up some new viewers, and not only in the DC area which is what was first reported.
    When I first started boycotting the DC wives, I was relieved that I didn’t have to watch since it seemed that racism was going to be a running theme, but now it makes a little more sense that they would focus on it for personal reasons of the cast.

    * please add me to the list of people who are sorry for being insensitive by not responding to a member who was hurting in these comments. I saw the post & the pain, and I am sorry that I did not respond. Thank-you for bringing it forward & not letting it go un-noticed.

    • Olivia says:

      I am so over the whole franchise to be honest but DC has brought on exactly the commentary I predicted and that is enough for me.

      I want to be free of politics when I come to this site but it is getting mixed up in this particular show and it is rather uncomfortable. Spending time “apologizing” for harmless remarks over a fake show that has no bearing on life is just pushing the envelope a little to far for me.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        Well, hold on there.

        I’m going to have to disagree.

        If someone is hurt “to the point of tears” by some one posting here, than I’m sorry @Olivia, that hurt is valid and those remarks are not “harmless”.

        They may be harmless to YOU, they may be harmless to ME, but evidently they were not harmless to another one of our community.

        Also, the perceived hurtful comments were not about the show, but about the different semantics used to describe race.

  94. Sha2000 says:

    Kim’s most recent tweet:

    “OMG!! not again!! Wearing that borrowed Chinchilla wrap from Kim D. Of course pretending it.s heres. Verify with Kim D if u need to!!”


    Where in the US in AUGUST is it cold enough for fur?

    She seems to be making it up as she goes.

    • Squirrels says:

      San Francisco! First time I travelled there it was August and my two male cousins and I had just done a cross country trip in a Firebird with no air conditioning. We hung out in Los Vegas, NV all day in 120 degree heat to wait to cross the desert, hit Los Angeles and Santa Barbara before making our way up the coast to see our cousins. We showed up in tee shirts and cut off jeans. They came outside the house to greet us in down parkas. True story.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Lol!!! Best one yet:

      “…sitting on one of my many outside decks Cristal flowing. There never will be the stinky smell of a pizzeria below where I live. Love it! yes ” 6:22 PM Aug 23rd via TweetToGo

      She IS funny!

      • Ellabean says:

        The trouble is though – as much as Teresa deserves to be snarked at – the nature of Kim’s snarks make her as vile as Teresa.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Why vile? Teresa disrespected Kim G (probably more than the snippet we were shown) and pretends she has taste, money and is a nice person. Kim might not be nice but she has two out of three!

          • Ellabean says:

            There is a quality to Kim’s varous tweets – digs about money, etc – that I find actually : cruel.

            T and Kim are both vile in their own ways.

            Kim, the wanna be pole dancer, with her pants falling down, 50- something with her behind crack showing, other pole dancers pulling them up for the cameras. A real class act. Ah hem.

            I think we are all agreed that Kim is trying desperately to be a regular on the NJ show. But if she was “smart” – she’d use the guest star opportunity to show case her true wealth to make her the interesting polar opposite of all the other wives on this NJ show. Real money – real class – no foul mouth or trashy behavior – even grandstand on camera about how aghast she is at everybody’s else’s behavior and spending habits.

        • kats2 says:

          I too think Kim G is vile they all are. But I hope she continues to trash Chewy because she has had it lucky so far. It’s obvious that Kim G is doing this to show Bravo she can take on Chewy, in some last effort to get a spot on the show. It’s all so pathetic. I swear I don’t understand why people in NJ are not banning Bravo and doing everything to stop the show.

      • Olivia says:

        She is nuts! Has this woman no better way with all her money than to spend her time on this foolishness? For heavens sake, she is 54 yrs old for one thing and one would assume that her “moolah” affords her more opportunities than to sit around all day dreaming up tweets to throw out to prove her relevance.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          I agree, Kim could have been the Sonja Morgan of NJ, but instead chose to be crass and irritating!

          I have no problem bashing Teresa, but Kim is doing it with money and that will only serve to piss off the masses who obviously don’t have the money that she does.

          • OneMoreinBoston says:

            But didn’t she try and start out that way? She kept her mouth shut at the Brownstone when Danny was calling Chris a f****t, but spoke to Danielle about it, to the point that Danielle got angry.

            It looks to me like she just decided to go over the top to get on the show probably because being demure and ladylike wasn’t getting the attention she needed to stay on Bravo’s radar screen.

            Remember Jen? She couldn’t keep the limelight and wasn’t seated on any couch on the reunion of RHONY and she WAS a housewife.

            Kim G. is NOT , yet is sitting on the couch with Jac and T-Man on the RHONJ.

            • Squirrels says:

              Somehow I can only think (hope) Jen feels lucky she got out alive.

            • Sha2000 says:

              She is supposedly on the reunion, so I agree with that assessment OMBoston, she’s getting further than Jen. She did show that she was more embarrassed at the antics of D & D at the charity event at the BS. I think she’s playing w/T because T called her elderly. Kim’s not elderly, but she obviously is older than the cast. She’s attractive, just older.

  95. WindyCityWondering says:

    OMG just watched the “matriarch sitdown” – what a joke of a season finale! Caroline had nothing to offer that Danielle wanted. Caroline claims she has done nothing to Danielle yet claims everyone who has hurt Danielle is her family (guessing everything they have said and done to Danielle doesn’t count!?). Danielle didn’t run away – she left because there really wasn’t anything to say that wasn’t going to be productive or positive – Caroline was going feral why stay for that nonsense?

    This season of RHONJ showed colors that were not just true but very dangerous and in some cases, inexcusable. Even if Danielle isn’t coming back, why would Bravo think we’d want to see the rest of these criminals, maniacs and horrible families? IMO, the more out of bounds the reunion gets the more fans will leave this franchise.

    • kats2 says:

      WCW – totally. I hope none of them are back.

    • dumberries says:

      I don’t care for Danielle. But, I hope she gets a fair chance to speak her truth at the reunion. She is paranoid and her defensive measures were too much, imo. Armed bodyguards and an entourage at a charity event were unnecessary to me. However, from everything we’ve seen, she is correct that the others “have it in” for her and have tried for 2 years to deflect their current wrong-doings by focusing endlessly on Danielle’s bad deeds (most of which happened over 20 ys ago).
      -How many times did Jac recite her canned speech about Danielle being a convicted felon who beat someone with a 9mm pistol? She did it anytime Ashley’s bad/violent behavior came up – that’s a lot. In the same vein, Jac’s husband even blamed Danielle for Jac’s bad mood/behavior.
      -Danielle was called a prostitution whore, a coke whore, a pig, garbage, a clown, square tits, grinch… Mostly to her face, all on camera. She was publicly humiliated, chased, and physically assaulted.
      -On the other hand, I don’t recall Danielle ever calling any of them demeaning names. She instead commented negatively on behavior or acts: Jac isn’t her own person; Ashley is undisciplined and disrespectful; Caroline acts like a puppet-master and she’s judgmental; Teresa’s house was was rumored to be in foreclosure; Teresa dresses her children inappropriately; Jac and Teresa are Caroline’s none-too brilliant posse; she thinks Juicy was out drinking and driving and may have been at a strip club… These are her observations and opinions of the people who ostracized her and refused to film with her. She never called any of them demeaning names, never chased anyone down, and never laid her hands on anyone. (But, she should have corrected Danny about his attack on Christopher.)
      –Andy gave Kelly full run of the floor for a long time at the NYC reunion, allowing her to ramble false accusations to support her claim that she was systematically bullied. I sure hopes he gives Danielle the opportunity to voice her unedited opinion of the MLG families’ motives and her feelings about being treated like a dog over and over. It’s long overdue.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Very insightful! Unfortunately, I think that Andy lets the goon squad run all over Danielle….

      • truelifediva says:

        Danielle called Ashely a “cokewhore” when she walked the runway and made nasty comments about her body on Facebook which started the whole Danielle vs Ashley drama. Danielle is a grown ass woman, Ashley was 17 when that mess started. I would NEVER engage a child under any circumstances! You know the frontal lobe is not fully developed until the age of 25yrs old. That’s why young people are impulsive and make bad decisions. A 47yr old woman taunting a 17yr old makes Danielle look stupid. She knew a girl of Ashley’s age would not have the life experience to know to take the high road. The other women wouldn’t engage her or give her any energy so she picked weak Ashley to refresh the “them against me” storyline. I get what you’re saying about revealing “truths” and I would like it from both sides. The Manzo/Laurita/Guidice clan need to spill whatever they’ve been holding back and any lawsuits be damned. I think Danielle would/could tell some “truths” but it would be heavily laced with lies and then she would lose me again. I think the real “truth” is too explosive for t.v.

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          “Cokewhore” was completely out of line- but Danielle publically apologized for it.

          How do we know that Danielle said that Ashley’s arms were fat? From Ashley? Was it ever shown that Danielle wrote that? And if yes, how do we know it’s from Danielle?

          Remember that Ashley tweeted that she had seen Christine, who was 16 at the time, at a party where she was being passed around a hot tub by a group of guys.

          From http://imstilltoni.com/2010/06/14/rhonj-update-ashley-holmes-can%E2%80%99t-stfu-manzo-mob-needs-to-muzzle-her-ass-asap/

          “do you and christine (danielle’s daughter) ever talk? what is your relationship like with her at all? and do the girls/guys her age alienate her or anything because of her mom? who knows. she used to tell me she hated her mom.. so.. idk.. i’m confused.. and want some gossip ? lol… at a party last week… christine was in a hot tub with a bunch of guys… and they were LITERALLY.. passing her around in a circle and he was hooking up with and *cough* “touching” *cough *cough** all of them!… yeah and danielle was calling ME the whore..ashleyh0lmes answered yesterday ”

          And I don’t know about the others not giving Danielle any energy… it’s seems like that’s all they did!

          Oh and here is another interesting tweet from Ass-ley

          “When Caroline got so upset at Danielle during the reunion is it because Dina signed her ex-husbands name on the contract & Danielle had told him about it?? no haha.. that’s not even true.. just another bullshit lie from danielle… she makes me sick ashleyh0lmes answered yesterday ”

          which prompted these tweets from her mother:

          “_ashleyholmes what did I do? Hahaha I just woke up with a bunch of tweets from danielle fans and my mom tweeted about me too…someone inform me? about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter Retweeted by you and 1 other

          JacLaurita No,I don’t take ANY responsible 4 ANY of Ashley’s actions anymore.She is an adult.She can suffer her own consequences 4 her own actions now. about 1 hour ago via web Retweeted by you and 4 others

          JacLaurita I follow many pple.I don’t check Ashley’s tweets.She an adult now.When pple tell me them,I give her my advice but she makes her own choices. about 1 hour ago via web”

        • dumberries says:

          TLD: Thanks for the info!!! I wasn’t aware that it had been proven that Danielle started it with Ashley; I thought there were claims that Ashley had started it after D’s falling out with Jac. Agree that if D did start it, that was very wrong. Even if she didn’t, she should not have responded to Ashley. No one is right in this mess – D should be wise enough to not engage with Ashley, and Ashley should not be engaging and physically attacking someone almost 50 years old. They’re all nuts. That said, we’ve heard 4 people banning together to continually bash 1 person and we haven’t heard much from the other side (except fears of being attacked). That’s what I’d like to see happen at the reunion. Give us real some details so we know what this feud we’ve been watching is really about – and hopefully put it to rest! It’s ugly…

  96. Amber...Real Wife says:

    A few comments…

    I was surprised at the comment suggesting Stacie (RHODC) stop claiming racism as she was a mulatta. Stunned actually that while others apologized for insensitive comments, others would like to stop the conversation that is coming out of the show as it is fake. Okay, while these shows are scripted reality, politics and racism that is seen or suggested on the the show is real. It just depends on your race and life experience. If you have never experienced racism, congratulations! You may not be a minority. If you have experienced racism you belong to a club that no one wants to be a member of. As women we have all been discriminated against in one way or another. Preference in jobs given to men, or mistreated because we are too thin, fat, short, tall not blonde or pretty enough. Not the same. Racism was allowed by law, and many sacrificed their lives to change those laws. We do have a black president, and many blacks are successful in all levels of society. However, we still have far to go, as the playing ground was uneven for so long. While groups that immigrated from Europe in the 1900’s (Italian, Irish, Jewish), assimilated and became accepted, Blacks remained the most discriminated group. Now we have immigration laws that are easier for Eurpopean entry while Cubans, Haitians, Mexicans and South Americans face the toughest standards. The Brown people have it hard too.

    It may be just a show, but at least, you see where people stand. Maybe you didn’t realize your that while you are not a racist, some of your thoughts are insensitive to some. That’s okay. If you didn’t know, now you know. What you choose to do with the information is on you. If you’ve had enough of the conversation in a few weeks imagine folks dealing with race issues for centuries.

    Re: Cat. I never found her amusing. I recognized her as an awful woman, who ruins gatherings, criticizing everyone and everything, as nothing is ever good enough for her. She is the kind of person who speaks to insult. It’s not that she tells it like it is or has no buffer. No. She wants to say the most insensitive, outrageous things to get a response. The more someone is horrified the better she feels. She’s done it to Mary and then Stacie and her friends at the dinner party. Her racism came through, not because she doen’t like Obama or Tyra, but with her interpretation of Tyra speak, and later when mimicking Stacies friend. She changed her inflection, and moved her body to what she felt was typical of that person. Wrong on so many levels. She’s a horrible hobag who is probably laughing at the silly Americans as we speak, while most of England must be disgusted that she is back.

    Oh and by the way, I hate Jill Zarin and the GreedyGuidices and the ManzoMob too!

    • Quincy IL says:

      Try being married to an Iranian during the 79/80 hostage crisis. Or having Middle Eastern looking kids right aftet 9/11. Or…. waiting to see what happens when Iran announces that they are going to make the bomb.

      There are problems, but my reasonable Shiite Muslim husband told me that you hold her head up high and walk away.

      Some feelings did get hurt, but there was no intention to cause that pain. I hope that the person who got hurt has the strength to forgive because I am sure that no want wanted to hurt her.

  97. Squirrels says:

    I know racism all to well, but nowhere near the level my mother encountered by being of Chinese ethnicity and marrying an Irish/French man post WWII.

    As far as I’m concerned, my ancestral forefather’s built our railroad system as indentured servants. Have they ever complained? No. They played it smart. Kept their mouths shut and inevitably got to live their lives generations later (and even that wasn’t all light and love).

    The people of African ancestry have a real gripe. The fact that the majority of people on welfare are white by a slim margin according to today’s numbers only clarifies the unfair and unreasonable views that have dogged past black generations who, by no will of their own ended up here.

    I leave you all with this story. At a Thanksgiving dinner when I was about 14 years old (every aunt/uncle took a turn hosting and with the size of my family that meant Mom hosted once every eight years), we gathered at my Uncle George’s home with Aunt Evelyn as hostess. Now Auntie Evy was born in an internment camp during WWII, as her family had immigrated from Japan years before and lived in California. The family lost their farm, their home, everything – and I mean everything. During the dinner, I privately asked my aunt’s mother, “Why did you do it? Why did you just go to these camps without putting up a fight?” Her response?

    “We did it for the children. We believed the government would never harm our babies.”

    I don’t know if there is a lesson to be learned here. I’m just telling it like it is. Some move through life quietly and are forgiven/forgotten for sins they did not commit. Others are beaten over the head for merely existing and fight for their rights as citizens of this land. Which is right? Which is wrong? All I know is if it were not for the sheer determination of my own grandparents generation, regardless of ethnicity, life as we know it, would be very, very different.

    (duck and cover)

    • Char212 says:

      Another ethnic group that has suffered discrimination but isn’t talked about much is the discrimination against the American Indians. Did you know that they were not allowed to vote until 1924 and then not in every state, it wasn’t until the mid 1950’s to 1960 that every state allowed the Indian to vote. Utah was the last. It wasn’t until after the Standing Bear Trial in 1879 that the Indians were even considered human. It was during that trial that they were declared human. How arrogant of the white man to think he has the power to decide who is human and who isn’t. Then after WWI and the return of many American Indian veterans the US finally granted citizenship to the Indian. Can you imagine that? They had to be granted citizenship when they were here first. To this day out of all the ethnic groups the percentage of Indians who join the military are higher then any other.
      My grandmother was Cherokee but she died when my dad was 3 so I never knew her or any of her family. My dad was born in Arkansas but moved to Wisconsin as a young man to look for work and never went back. I wish I would have known her and was able to hear about her life and that of her family. I have a picture of her and am told I look like her. I’m honored.

      • Squirrels says:

        I spent 8 years in New Mexico. The plight of the Pueblo Indians is not lost on me. Then came the casinos. It’s a sore point for me. The tribes never saw the corporate mentality coming. I’m beginning to think we need a new blog for political stuff. Not right to rifle Lynn’s. If someone has a site or knows of one, now is the time to mention it.

        • Char212 says:

          I’d love to hear your thoughts Squirrels. Lynn has my email addy and I wouldn’t mind if she gave it to you. I’m interested in all points of view.

        • truelifediva says:

          I think the conversation, while at times intense, has not gotten out of control and seems to come back around to the “shows”. We can all offer our insights on the various topics that present themselves through the shows we discuss on this thread. And no, you did not “hijack” the blog 🙂

        • Blue Sky says:

          Squirrels, I hope you do tell more about your family in a book, you have a lot to tell. Your chapters so far are really poignant, and I enjoyed reading your story. Keep going, you are inspiring and a terrific person. You leave me wanting to hear more, about the women in your family and their experiences. If I were a teacher, I would want you to come and talk to the class about what your relatives went through, in the Japanese interment camps. You mentioned before about your grandmother sending daughters back to China? Then getting them back again, which is unbelievable. I read a book years ago called “Three Swans” written by a Chinese lady that managed to get out of China, while Mao was in power. Her grandmother was a concubine, her mother a professor (and her father) and they suffered horribly during the Cultural Revolution in China. Sorry, I don’t recall the writer’s name.

      • Blue Sky says:

        Char212, you are another one with a book to write, about your heritage. Totally agree with you about the native Indians. Some of the most handsome people have native American Indian heritage.

  98. zoekayla says:

    Awesome story, Squirrels! Your family shows real class…unlike all the “ladies” we’ve been discussing.

  99. Need a Hobby says:

    Meanwhile back in the land of irrelevant “reality” show “stars”…….

    Looks like (insert big Kathy Griffin “allegedly” to all this) JZ & Co. finally managed to piss off Jenn Sale. Sale in her blogs has given fairly sound PR advice to wayward reality characters who mistake their D list “fame” (limited as it is) for actual importance in the grand scheme of things, aka the real world (or in fact the whole universe as Kiki would add). While Sales is not exactly Switzerland, she has heretofore taken a relatively objective and dispassionate view of such goings on. She’s an observer and reporter of the doings. Much like a research fellow documenting the habits of the unusual fauna of the Galapagos.

    Anyway, Sales’ recent rundown of the alleged missteps of such a diva resulted in an email from a minion (someone no longer posting on twitter). Ms. Sales apparently was not amused and here is the result.

    PR 101 for Reality TV Dummies:

    (Wonder what was the “SUPREME booolshiz they were up to” that Ms. Sales “uncovered.” Since it appears so far she has refrained from going as she says “for the jugular” with all she knows or has been told.)

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Jenn Sale, not “Sales.” I really do know her name, but given the subject of the blog, “sales” and “whaddaya mean I can’t return it?” must have been in my subconscious….

      “Foghorn.” lol.

    • dumberries says:

      Great find NeedAHobby!
      AWESOME!!!!!!! Zarin really does think she rules the internet – she sure got slapped. What a total fool – now she’s alienated the one popular HW blogger that’s been fairly favorable to her. Jen’s PR 101 rules should be required reading for all of the HWs…

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        Well dammit, I wanna know what she’s not saying and lost money for it. Grrrr

        • Need a Hobby says:

          Sale said this last spring she could have had more hits (& $ from advertising) to her site if she had joined in with the anti-Jill sentiment on the net while season 3 was airing.

          Also, apparently Sale has held back from revealing all of what she knows/has been told since her intent is observe, comment and critique, perhaps also to make fun of as warranted, but not to actually damage people. (Note: JZ’s proven by her own admitted actions that she doesn’t mind if she damages people, careers, reputations.)

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Yes, Foghorn just cannot leave things alone so the stories can just fade away and not keep on going. She’s gotta be right, she’s gotta “correct” people, she can’t let it go. (Who wants to bet that her loyal assistant will get blamed for this too? Will he be banned from emailing too? Allegedly, of course.)

        And she only confirms her critics’ views by appearing to do exactly in real life what she did on the show with the same result: blowback. Whether it’s her public denials of things she already admitted to, Amazongate, planting stories in the press, etc.

        Guessing between the lines, one might suspect she’s trying to “game” Bravo/Shed Media during pending or upcoming cast selection, contract negotiations for RHONY season 4. Two things can happen: they tell her to go fish and she’s not signed for Season 4 or they sign her up……with absolutely no obligation to give her a “puff” edit and she’s the “Danielle” of RHONY, season 4.

        As B observed, the foghorn just can’t get out of her own way.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Foghorn is really in a free fall fail now. She just needs to go away!

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        It’s not in her DNA to go away. And she’s fun to hate because she doesn’t have one redeeming quality that I can think of.

    • icantstandthetoxicity says:

      Jill is a control freak and she thinks she can control what people write about her. She hasn’t learned from her mistakes, she is doing the same things that she did last year. I can’t believe she was foolish enough to leak the season 4 RHONY cast information to the press. She has a reputation for planting things in the press and when the story came out earlier this week, she was the prime suspect. I don’t think there is any hope for Jill, she is a lost cause.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        She must be in some serious denial if she thinks anyone is fooled by her. Ok, some people are since I hear she gets positive feedback on her blog and FB (I wouldn’t know because I refuse to read hers) but holy moly! Who wants fans that brain dead? I guess a fame whore doesn’t care what quality of fans they have as long as they have some. Geez Louise

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        She is sort of like the boy who cried wolf….or the sky is falling….no one believes her because she lies and when caught won’t admit she lied. If she had any dignity (which someone needs to remind Danielle that dignity comes from within and no one can take it away or give it back) she would take the deal Bravo gives her and play the part she is asked to play. Then she would be on TV for another season…..but it won’t matter to me because I HATE JILL ZARIN!

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          Hating her is my guilty pleasure. I sit with a grin on my face reading when she’s done something vile AGAIN. She never learns so I never have to forgive her. It’s a fun hobby and why I came here. It works because she’s no one in my real life. I view her like a protagonist in a novel and since I never know what’s real and what’s scripted and how us viewers are being toyed with, my choice is hating her with glee.

    • Anitabee says:

      I heart Jennifer.

      ZenJen wonders why Jill gave her the smack down? Jill respects no one. Jill treats everyone that upsets her with, “Let’s Slay that Girl” mentality. All Jen did was offer Jill some very good advice after she threw her assistant under the bus. But it makes you wonder who she tried to blame this on before Darren.

      I wonder who is Jen’s source? I put my money on Ally. She’s gotta know her mommie is Bat Sh*t Bonkers.

      • Had Enough! says:

        That was one brilliant column. Felt the heat coming off it.

        I am dying, dying, dying for people who actually know the reality show personalities to start speaking up. We’ve had a few – Kevin Maher and the coke dealer (Danielle Staub), the people who commented on a blog before RHONJ started. We’ve heard rumors about Cat Ommanney (why is she using the last name of a man she was married to for less than 2 years?), again mostly from blog comments. A few people (again, on blog comments) revealed LuAnn Nadeau’s background. It just seems surprising to me that people who know (or knew in the past) these reality show personalities aren’t coming out in droves to spill their guts.

        And maybe JZ is uncontrollable. I would love to know from the various PR people who have worked with her if they really are giving her lousy advice or if she ignores their advice. I am betting on the latter. All summer long she was relatively quiet and tweeted about innocuous things like beach parties. Nice and normal. Now she’s starting her BS again. I was thinking I could tolerate her return to RHONY so long as they got rid of Kellamity but she’s making me remember the bottom line: I HATE JILL ZARIN.

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  101. Wall St Lady says:

    Hi ladies & gents(if there r any) I am catching up since noon. I am excited to see what insiteful & brilliant input I missed. As I jumped off Olivia & Quincuy were rocking w/ reality. See u in a few !
    I am a loyal friend & I have to once again thjank squirrels cuz I wouldn’t b here had she not helped a complete stranger.
    Remember “Street car Named Desire” I think Vivian Lee said ” I depend on the kindness of strangers”

  102. vilzvet says:

    Hey all, I’ve finalized plans to head to the Hampton Classic horse show tomorrow a.m. to spend the day and hopefully see Kelly compete. LuAnn’s daughter Victoria is also scheduled to compete tomorrow, too. I will have camera ready and keep my eyes peeled. Kelly goes at 9 a.m. so we will head to her ring right away when we get there.

    • boston02127 says:

      @vilzvet–Bring her a monogram tote bag. 🙂

    • dumberries says:

      vilzvet: sounds like a fun day!! have a great time; looking forward to hearing about it…

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Can’t wait for your report and photos!!

      • vilzvet says:

        Thank you! I need this mental health day! If I can get some good pics or spot a Housewife all the better!

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Sounds like fun. Enjoy the day! Look forward to hearing about it.

      • Laura aka Just done says:

        looking forward to your report back! Have a great day!

        • cusi77 says:

          Laura_ Are you still ready to head to T’s garage sale? I bet she made a big baby’s party in “The grand salon” allowing all the kids to jump in the sofas, write in the tables, ICE CREAM war! … I can just imagine Teresa dreaming in buying new furniture… she adores to go shopping! Do not miss those Gucci glasses!

    • truelifediva says:

      Tell me if she has that fugly grimace/smile in effect when she shows up. I was looking at another site the other day that featured her recent blue ribbon riding. The commentors slammed her to bits. Many stated her riding was horrible, her jacket was too tight (and therefor inauthentic) , and best of all…. wait for it…… she was competing against only 1 other person in the beginners category!!!!! She is such a phony. Why brag and misrepresent the situation? Her twitter should have mentioned she won the blue ribbon in the beginners category. No REAL shame in that. The shame comes when you try to make it look like more than it is….. End rant.

    • lillybee says:

      It should be fun. I hope Kelly doesn’t fall off her horse again.

    • Squirrels says:

      Please get close ups of her face as she attempts to jump the two foot rails. I can only imagine the intensity it takes for her to get from point A to point B. I expect her mouth to be contorted and her face twisted. Of course, I’m just a twisted soul.

      Also, if you get a chance, bring a sharpie and sweetly approach her with an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper.

      Vilzvet – “May I get an autograph please?”

      Kelly – “Oh, you are so sweeeeeeeeeeet, of course.”

      Vilzvet – “Actually, I was talking to Bill, the horse.”

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      where did Kelly find that dress? her kids’ closet? and Jill looks like she was going to an evening event! they are so camera addicted

    • cusi77 says:

      Boston Girl_ And what about JZ? They look so dressed appropriate for a Tennis match… (Not!)

    • Squirrels says:

      It’s not even Kelly’s dress that is ridiculous. If you look at her straightened leg, her skin is sagging badly. I noticed it in a pic posted a couple months ago. She has the legs of a 65+ yr old underweight woman. No tone, just bone. Not exactly healthful now is it Kelly?

    • lillybee says:

      Are Jill and Kelly now BFF’s?

  103. boston02127 says:

    Albie Manzo’s tweet—Just landed in LA!


  104. truelifediva says:

    Okay, I really need to get a new hobby 😉 I spend hours on here posting, refreshing, rereading, posting to new comments, and then refreshing again. Even though it’s only 7:00 pm here in Cali, I’m going to log off and play with my cat. He’s telling me I’m ignoring him. See you guys tomorrow!

  105. Wall St Lady says:

    Truelifediva have u forgiven me

  106. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Jill is a monster who will stop at nothing to get what she wants. Any wonder why the gals of RHONJ love to be with and aspire to be her? Caroline likes/loves being with Jill as they have the same domineering positions on their shows. Both try to control the actions of their castmates, blame everything on others, all while refusing to take blame or responsibility for their own actions. Theresa wants to get the inside track on how to manipulate BRAVO and fans, while looking to pilfer some of the Zarin jewels.

    Speaking of jewelry…We know Theresa isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, but she is a tool! LOL But anyone that has 60K to spend on drapery and furniture doesn’t have “real” jewelry. Come on. How do you pay 8k for drapes and don’t spend at least 10k on a diamond ring? Suspicious? Of course not! Any idiot knows she’s got jewelry stashed away from the prying eyes of the trustee. As soon as her bankruptcy is filed, she”ll minimize the costume jewelry and bring out the bling. After all, what is a cavewoman without her rocks?

  107. Wall St Lady says:

    Noelle how is ur sis ?

    Jenni how are u feeling. My meds make me sick but is nothing compared to cemo. WSman had lung cancer cut out 11 years ago. I know u will make it too.

  108. Quincy IL says:

    Some really heavy topics up above. May I just say that we can only be responsible for our own behavior. We can’t be held accountable for the Roman Army’s destruction of the City of Cathage. We are not responsible for the Mongols slaughter of the people of Western Asia. The Americans on Earth right not are not responsible for the sins of our own forefathers. We can do better. We should know the history and never repeat it. To blame … is a giant waste of effort.

  109. Wall St Lady says:

    Vilvett Have a blast in SH. B4 I married I spent every weekend there. My house was at the end of main St. Take a left at the cannon Balls & its the 1st house on the left. Where r u staying ? I hope u see Ramona. She is the only one I want to meet. I wonder if she is as cute in person. I actually look better on TV than in person. I think most people do cuz wrinkles don’t show. I don’t have wrinkles cuz I have worn a hat in the sun since I was 8 & my Mother at 80 doesn’t much either. Don’t know why I went there. Have FUN !

  110. Wall St Lady says:

    Quincy were u a ancient history major. How long have u been married ? I went to Saudi Arabia for 3 weeks & spent all my time w/Princesses who have a business. I love love loved the Saudi women. I almost got arrested by the behavior police cuz I was putting makeup on in public. I have several burk as & I wear them like a coat to cocktail parties. One has sequins channel CC on it & r beautiful. Have u been ?

    • Squirrels says:

      I was suddenly reminded of the movie “The Princess Diaries.”

      The evil cheerleader, desperate to get on the TV news screams, “My father thinks I’m a princess!”

      I laughed like hell at that.

    • Quincy IL says:

      I have not been to Saudi Arabia. I have gone to Iran, but I just have some ugly black scarves. I have several elaborate saris from Indian friends. I could go to DC and wear them to the White House, but I am not brazen enough to just walk in without an invitation.

      I have been to Embassy Parties in DC. My husband’s friend here, a neurologist, is the son of an Lebonese Ambassador so we got to meet Middle Eastern diplomats at a big party a few years back. Gosh, I go to DC and my own government big shots don’t invite me and ME big shots do. It’s just not normal. LOL>

  111. Wall St Lady says:

    Quincy. I know to put an before ancient (never 2 vowels) but this hateful BB is always wiping out my entire message after I do spell check & then try to reread it suddenly goes pop & my 5min of composing disappears. Since I am dyslexic it is difficult to type anyway. I only use one thump. That’s a long way of explaining why I look like I have a 5th grade education. Spell check is the pest thing since having a pencil for me. I tell you cuz ur posts r so perfect ! Good job.

  112. Wall St Lady says:

    I guess I am here alone so I will go watch a movie.
    BTW We produced 3 movies:
    Spread Ashton Kutcher
    Powder Blue Jessica Biel
    The Greatest Susan Sarandon

    Our hobby is watching movies & we watch at least 10 a week mostly old movies. Anyway I think the above r great. The Greatest is on pay per view & Spread on free HBO. I think they r great. We haven’t made a dime & probably won’t but it has been fun. So for my shameless plug I will tell u a fact : Don’t ever invest in a movie the ods of making a profit r slim to NOTHING. BTW our name isn’t on the movie but the co. Is Barbarians (like the guys who fed Christians to lions & I had nothing to do w/ the name). Our sub name for our small part is Sandollar & I did pick that name

    • Squirrels says:

      I love old films. I taught my Russian buddy about American culture by showing him everything from Gone with the Wind to The Philadelphia Story. My only regret was thinking my then 5 year old daughter would understand Citizen Kane. Talk about a chowda head mom move?!! She still talks about it today though. LOL

      • Quincy IL says:

        The story of Hearst and Davies was on just last week. Citizen Kane is based on Hearst. He and his newspapers actually cause the Spanish American War. It’s amazing how the media can change the voice of a nation.

    • Squirrels says:

      My fervent desire is to be a still photog on a movie set. I’ve done one never went anywhere stupid POS vampire flick, but the experience was well worth it.

    • Squirrels says:

      BTW. Just read your comment on my blog. If you care to, you can reach me @ waterdancer1@gmail.com and we can continue the convo.


  113. truelifediva says:

    Pssssttt, WallStreetLady, are you still in the room?

  114. Kat says:

    Paris Hilton might be in a bit of trouble:
    From the link: … The officer “followed the vapor trail and the odor of marijuana to the Escalade,” police Sgt. John Sheahan said.
    As other police arrived and a crowd gathered on the busy neon-lit Strip, Hilton asked to go into the Wynn resort for privacy, Sheahan said.
    “Miss Hilton pulled out a tube of lip balm,” Sheahan said. “At the same time … a bindle of cocaine in a plastic bag came out of her purse” in plain view of police in the room.”

    • Squirrels says:

      What the hell is a bindle? Are you serious? For all those who use drugs, get caught while batting their eyelashes, (while reminding the cops of porn tape memories) and yet have no get out of jail free card, I hear your screams from county jail. I realize one can get bail via whatever illegal source available. Still, it seems money only talks if you have more than you need.

      • Quincy IL says:

        Bethenny is a fan of Paris. Paris is mentioned in her book as someone who can eat a bite of a hamburger. Maybe it’s the coke. I hear it’s an appetite depressant.

      • Kat says:

        I wondered what a “bindle” meant too.
        “A small envelope made by folding a square piece of paper, often used for carrying powdered drugs such as cocaine. Popular because it requires no tape, glue or fasteners and does not leak when folded correctly.”

        The pot smoke vapor trail emanating from the vehicle reminds me of a Cheech and Chong movie. Getting busted by a motorcycle cop because the reek of marijuana smoke escaping from your Cadillac is strong enough for probable cause AND then to have cocaine fall out of your purse to seal the deal …
        It’s like a scene from a sitcom.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I also love how Paris is claiming the purse is not hers. Yeah, right. I wonder if she’s still on probation……hmmmm.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Interesting negotiation techniques, and I thought that NY made 10K and episode – this article says they make the same as NJ, which is about 4K. And the only one who is happy is Kelly because she now thinks she has a career???

  115. Kat says:

    I don’t know if this has been posted:
    Excerpted from story:
    “There’s no level of embarrassment that they will not stoop to,” fellow Housewife Stacie Scott Turner told me earlier today. “I just don’t get it.”

    Last night’s episode also featured a trip to the Salahis’ winery, where Stacie, Michaele and Mary Schmidt Amons did their best I Love Lucy and climbed into a barrel to stomp on grapes to make wine.
    Not only were there bodyguards stationed around the property because of some legal feud Tareq has had with his own mother, but the full-cup-of-crazy couple apparently bought the grapes from a store because the vineyard hadn’t been operational in who knows how long.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The Salahis are functioning in their own private fantasy world and the other wives don’t understand that! White stretch limo – only vehicle they have that isn’t repossessed? Saber champaign – how old world! Play around the perimeter of the winery they think should be theirs with grocery grapes to stomp (who would know the difference?? lol)….very sad but somewhere in their minds their life is much different than the others. Sad, dilusional and apparently good tv…..

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        I heard that the limo’s are part of another business of theirs. I guess they would need them since two of their cars have been repossessed.

  116. Quincy IL says:

    We are not alone in hating the behaviior of Jill Zarin. I was flying around cyberspace this morning thanks to links found about. While looking at the comments on the blogs, I saw some links from the Sale blog that were fascinating. It seems the boat is filled with people who are disgusted with the behavior of Jill Zarin, her nephew, and the legions of false fans they created to go out and attack bloggers and commenters in cyberspace.

    I think that Jill Zarin isn’t self aware as Bethenny pointed out in an article in the early summer. I am self aware. When I was kicked out of the doctor’s wive’s auxillary for saying that “red is out of style.” I knew it had something more than the fact that I made a blunt comment on fashion. BTW..it was a pastel year and by golly red was indeed out of style. Too bad a fashion leader in our little enclave had a red skirt on under that table when I made my statement.

    I am not jealous of Jill’s money. I had cousins who owned Beatrice Foods a huge company in Chicago when I was growing up. They gave us great birthday cakes that they made themselves and I loved them even though I had one pair of shoes. I water skied with the owners of Donnelly and Sons (they published the phone book all over North America) on their boats. They lived on the lake near our house and liked our gas station and my father. Mrs. Wrigley of the gum and Cubs would give me hugs when I was in high school and helped clean her summer home. All of those people could buy Zarin Fabrics in a moment. Being rich doesn’t make you a better person than someone who cleans your house, Jill.

    That is the problem. We all look at Jill and her behavior and we all know that it’s a fluke. Jill didn’t earn the millions, Bobby’s dad set that up. Jill wanted us to envy her.
    We, collectively, said, “No.” Jill can’t understand that. It’s not Jill herself, that is hated. It’s Jill’s false sense of superiority that is hated. Her nephew is following in her foot steps. Too bad, he was not more like his mom.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill’s biggest “sin” is envy and more specifically, she wants other to envy her! Part of her personality is the need for feeling she is better than others and when she is being charitable it is even more evident. She has no class, she just has cash – big diffrence! The more she attacks her enemies the worse she looks to everyone. So I am glad that Ally is safely away from the nest because if Jill is back for another season she will behave even worse than the past season. She feels she needs to vindicate herself and that is something that will never happen!

  117. anniieee says:

    Good Morning everyone! Finalllly caught up…and left some comments way up stream. Hope you all have a great Sunday. One point..on the talk of ancestory==Just finished “Snow Flower and the Secret Fan” about China and the treatment of women, and “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.” That was the book that the playboy guy asked Smelly Kelly about and she said… NOOOOOOOOO I don’t have any tattoos. Both books are fantastic and I couldn’t put them down. Make it a great day!

  118. Kat says:

    @Quincy IL~ “I am self aware. When I was kicked out of the doctor’s wive’s auxillary for saying that “red is out of style.” I knew it had something more than the fact that I made a blunt comment on fashion. BTW..it was a pastel year and by golly red was indeed out of style. Too bad a fashion leader in our little enclave had a red skirt on under that table when I made my statement. ”

    Rotfl! 😉 Were these fashion leaders Kelly’s taste-maker relatives?
    Jill may alienate all the friends and acquaintences in her fabulous social circle by the time RHONY reaches the series finale.

    • Quincy IL says:

      Well, when the lady in red called me on the telephone to scream at me (my daughter picked up the second phone so I have a witness,) she said that her clothes were her identity. Not so different from Jill, right?

      The more I did in the community, the more I got in trouble with the platoon of doctors’s wives both foreign and home grown. I went to Berkeley and learned how to teach astronomy in a portable planetarium, the Starlab, then came back and taught 5,000 kids a year in a programs that had every kid leanring their stars, writing, and creating art while learning science. The teachers and administration loved me, the doctors’ wives…not so much.

      The elite in Quincy tried to make an elite school for their elite kids and I stayed with the public school giving a lot of time to the schools which had a lower economic level. Would you believe the platoon said that the reason their school failed was that I didn’t support it? I just couldn’t win.

      I fit in here because no one gets upset if I give out my fabulous fashion advice. In fact, Lynn lets me Rachel Zoe her once a week. That’s how great this place is. rotfl.

      • Kat says:

        Starlab (portable planetarium) looked really interesting when I Googled it. You taught astronomy, that’s awesome!
        Teaching children and enriching their lives isn’t remotely comparable to the Platoon clique’s interests in themselves and seasonal color schemes. Little wonder you didn’t fit in, (I’d wager you didn’t care.) your lives were galaxies apart.

        • Quincy IL says:

          I studied astronomy and ancient mythology for the kids and could tell them stories while we learned the constellations of the Greek/Romans, Native Americans, and the Chinese.

    • Squirrels says:

      So many fascinating women (and men) on this blog. Funny how something so simple as irritation/disgust over one fool headed human being can bring such a guest list to Lynn’s table.

  119. emt2 says:

    Morning everyone.

    I was wondering why it’s strange to talk about race and politics when you are discussing a show like DC and clearly Bravo has decided that those are two of the angles to be shown this year?

    It’s like anything else that is mentioned in this blog, if you aren’t interested in talking about anti-semitism, Bethenny’s weight, the Salahi’s gatecrashing, baby nurses, etc., can’t you just ignore it and move along until you actually find something that peaks your interest?

    I don’t get it. It’s annoying when people say things like such and such character on the show is “pulling the race card” or “pulling the feminist card” (oh wait, I’ve never heard anyone actually say that last one).

    I like the community here. We talk about numerous things including personal experiences, trials, joys, worries, excitements, etc. and if you don’t really care about a topic, then ride it out. It’s that simple.

    I don’t know. That’s just me.

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Hey You! How are thing going?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      riding right along side of you – always skip the threads that don’t interest because a few scrolls down and you will hit a nugget of dishworthiness! lol
      Main reason I find little interest in DC is because Bravo set it up early on to go after the dreadful Salahis, to politically offend and to make race an issue where it clearly isn’t….my problem was expecting to see real power players not posers.

    • anniieee says:

      That makes me smile… thank you!!! Very well said.

  120. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    Wall St. Lady—-So you are the Chicken Lady as well? Founding member of Barbarian or recently on board? Loved that damn chicken. Many a night in college trying to get him to do “fowl” things! LMAO!

  121. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    Today I am the laundry queen.
    I can and will wash anything.
    No stain to big, no static to tough,
    for the laundry queen to fold and fluff.

  122. Earring Girl says:

    Giudice says “When I am attacked, I attack back” :


  123. OneMoreinBoston says:

    Slightly OT-random questions-

    -So, Ally’s dad? Who is he? Does anyone know about Jill’s first marriage? Or Bobby’s?
    Is Bobby’s first wife still alive? What is HER relationship with Jill?

    -Also, did anyone notice (or care) that Caroline was carrying a briefcase to the meeting with Danielle? Or was it a Birkin?
    I almost expected her to whip some court documents out of it during the big confrontation.

    -I wonder is the reason that Ramona is so squeamish about sex is because maybe she had some bad experiences similar to Danielle’s. But Danielle went one way to become promiscuous while Ramona went another. Could explain why she cannot stand Danielle and why she went after Alex for posing for the risque photos Simon took. Ramona seems to want to be the morality police.

    OK- so I am officially in need of a life!

    • Quincy IL says:

      I used to read Ally’s facebook. She has a great relationship with her dad and has sibling that she loves. She spends time with him too. He is not a part of the faux reality that Jill has thrown lot with at this time. I think he wants privacy.

    • kats2 says:

      OneMore – Caroline was carrying her Birkin bag. While I have never been crazy about the birkin bag, in this case the two just don’t fit.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Going on memory here, but I think Jill’s first husband is named Steven (Stephen?) Shapiro. I think he lives in North Jersey but not sure. He is remarried and Ally has stepsiblings. Ally tweeted something a few weeks ago, before she went to India, about driving to NJ (IIRC) alone. That could have been a weekend visit to her father. But he must live in the area because I know I read (as Quincy said) that she sees him frequently. I suspect that he and Jill must get along to some extent. Jill said that when she went to the airport to pick Ally up, she ran out of gas and the ex rescued them both. Her blog implied that he was already at the airport, but I really can’t remember. So it could be that he lives close enough to Newark or JFK to come over and help them out.

      Bobby’s first wife still lives in Great Neck. Her name is Eileen, and I’d be surprised if she feels anything but disgust for JZ. But as Bobby has three grown children (two sons, one daughter) and a couple of grandchildren, my guess is that they have to at least be civil to one another in public. Also, it isn’t as though Bobby left her for Jill. Many moons ago, we documented (thanks, New York Times) that Bobby was single long before he met Jill.

      Wall St Lady – I have to disagree with you about one thing. I saw Alex’s photos. They were not obscene, but they were certainly not tasteful. Some of them were simply unflattering, none were tasteful.

      Also (and remember, I like Alex and Simon a lot) Alex is in need of a fashion intervention. I know she likes to be avant garde, but that doesn’t mean you have to chose clothes that aren’t flattering. That dress with the chain around the neckline was horrible. That hideous pink shiny thing she was pictured in last summer just atrocious. Last week I saw her in a group photo. I think it was Reality Tea. Another pink outfit with ruffles. Everyone else in the photo looked great and she looked awful. And let’s not forget that awful chiffon thing she wore to the opera. That was dreadful. Aside from the fact that IMHO the clothes are simply unattractive, she isn’t wearing the clothes. They are wearing her.

  124. Wall St Lady says:

    Truelifediva when on ur site (very preety & relaxing)
    Ihit contact & got:
    The protocl specified is not supported by the handhels. Please try a different URLl
    I don’t know what that means. I will ask WSman when he returns. We have family coming so when they arrive ,WSman already told me don’t b rude
    Pa leeze,so I won’t b around till evening.

  125. Wall St Lady says:

    Duchess I don’t know what Chicken Lady is. (I did know the “Chicken man”:Frank Perdue,who BTW has 6’tall)
    We started Barbarian 2years ago & have only made the 3 mentioned films.
    Someone asked me upstream If I was know as Trading Diva & that’s not me either. I am a RIA or Registered Investment Advisor & a Principal w/ the NYSE. I have a commodities & options license as well as a series 7 which is your basic stock broker license. I ran divisions at major international firms until in 1995 w/a lotta guts started my own firm. (Why pay 50% of your earnings to folks who do nothing cuz u create your own research). WwSman knew how to be a CFO & knew how to set up the co. He had just fixed & sold a bank & really wanted to take off a year to paint agreed for a year or so to get me started. We found we love love loved to work together. Yes we r joined at the hip. He is now CIO & CFO & I am Pres. I am best in marketing & discovering outside of the box stuff. But I am NOT known for being a chicken & have been known to speak my “out of the box ” mind. But I love to “laugh & feast. “

    • Quincy IL says:

      He paints? I have been working on a corn series for the entire growing season. I walk along miles of corn and soybean fields so you can guess where the inspiration came from. My mom and husband thought I was nuts. I showed the series to my best friends husband who was the President of the Agricultural Divsion of ADM….and now it ADM people are interested in all of the paintings.

      Inspiration… and there is always someone that likes corn.

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Barbarian productions was the company behind the “subservient chicken”. It was their first project, supposed to just be a marketing tool, but it went viral and was huge in the early 2000,s. You could “tell” the chicken what to do, and he would do it—within reason. It was hysterical, some guy in a chicken costume, with a garter belt on, and if you told him “jump” he would jump, etc.
      It really put the company on the map. From there they have grown into movies, recording, etc.

  126. kats2 says:

    Time to Wake Up HW fans!

    Andy’s Tweet to a fan asking about missing episodes on the Bravo site and what I tweeted to him.

    BravoAndy CHECK ITUNES! RT @_HopePeaceLove_: , when BravoTV dot com, WHEN, will you post RHONJ Episode 15, 16 and 17 and RHODC Episode 2 and 3?

    @BravoAndy Yes check itunes for HW episodes so Andy can make more money over the trash he puts on TV – FOFF Andy!!!

  127. Scorpiosue1102 says:

    I have to say that I’m curious as to how Bravo is going to show the Salahi’s crashing the State dinner. Timeline wise the State dinner was four weeks or so after the Black Caucus dinner so I would think we’d see that episode in about two weeks. I can say that I’m interested because I want to see how the Salahi’s work….what is their thinking in advance of all this.

    • Squirrels says:

      I do recall Bravo defending the salamis being on the show, right after the whole thing broke wide open, so I suspect they’ll do whatever is needed to keep the heat of themselves. As we already know, Bravo execs don’t give a rat’s tail about any cast members.

    • lillybee says:

      That should be the best part of the series.

      • Squirrels says:

        I find it fascinating the 4 woman obviously can’t stand the salamis. The difficult part is we already know how this season turns out. All that is missing is the reunion. Now THAT should be interesting.

        • Scorpiosue1102 says:

          Agreed Squirrels :). The fact that even Stacie is no longer in their corner speaks volumes.

    • klmh says:

      There was an article in the Washington Post that mentions the sequences of events being changed to fit Bravo’s storyline. They took several events that have already been televised and put them in chronological order, not the order Bravo has depicted, so Bravo is manipulating us in this way as well…

  128. Wall St Lady says:

    Wow Quincy ,thinking outside of the box. Move over Andy Warhol!
    WStman didn’t start painting till he was 40. I 5th Ave. Office is decorated (by me) w/over paintings. So he has his own gallery. He paints in oil & I am his greatest fan. In fact when we moved in our office he was on a painting trip in Lake Como. When he returned I had framed & hung in the entrance & conference 10 paintings. He had a fit & said he felt naked. I told him to hush & I would remove over the next weekend. He doesn’t sign & has 3 styles. The were so many compliments about THE art he got more comfortable as well as flattered. I forget to say I had retrieved the paintings from storage where he kept them. We had one spot where a painting hung & was replaced when a new one was born. Anyway he got used to it & we till love the compliments !

  129. Wall St Lady says:

    WSt is not my first passion but I am good at it. The secret is that “WS” is not so complicated as men would have u think. I certainly don’t have to b great at math …. Don’t get me going. I strongly recommend that women try to get in a training program at a national firm like Merrill Lynch (they have legal quotas now) & you get paid while getting the equivalent of an MBA in finance & your series 7 license which allows u to sell securities. (Go Girl). Anyway I make a good living on WSt. But fashion, Friends ,family. Puppies & kittens & the beach r my passion. (previous includes WStman)
    Nothing makes me madder than a bullie,some who takes credit for another’s work (aka Liar)or a mean spirited person. I don’t care if they r worth a Billion. I will come down on them like an ” iron fist in a velvet glove” & I am very proud of that. WStman says my best quality is I am fearless.
    That being said I am a little afraid of Diva. I am not so tuff after all I would never hurt a good person but if Trasha shoved me in any way I would carefully step on her foot so hard she would not be able to wear her fu*#k me shoes for a week. (I have never seen anyone sued for stepping on a foot). BTW all my brothers have a signature scar where I didn’t “get mad I got even”. Take that w/a grain of salt I haven’t hit anyone in 30 years !

  130. Wall St Lady says:

    Where is evertone ?

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I was just coming to put that link here. Beat me to it. Danielle has been a bit busy.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Now THAT is Juicy! I was actually wondering something like that – if Tamra was actually supposed to be Tara….but I remember reading something about several HoWife cast members having dinner together that night so I wrote it off.

      • Quincy IL says:

        No, it was Tamra Barney, she admitted that. Ramona was just reacting to the rumor, with glee BTW. She corrected her statement and told everyone that most of NJ was with Tamra Barney for dinner.

    • dumberries says:

      Oooh, this could be one interesting reunion!

      A couple of things make me a little skeptical of the implications in this article:
      1. The speculation that Ramona typed “Tamra” when she met “Tara”. Didn’t Tamra Barney confirm she had been with them in NYC at some point that night, and Ramona said she had lunch with Tamra the next day? I’m sure Ramona wouldn’t know Joe’s alleged GF.
      2. Earlier this week, there was an article posted where another “unimpeachable” source claimed Teresa’s explosion was in reaction to Danielle saying Teresa had ignored her sick nephew.

      I do believe that Danielle had MLG family members investigated, in retaliation. That’s gotta really have them worried…

      What to believe? Guess we’ll know soon enough..

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Soooo, there really is a Tara! And she’s fairly brazen too. well, well, well

      Explains so very much, doesn’t it?

      Maybe this is why Caroline, who normally seems like a pretty level headed woman, is giving Theresa a pass on her horrible behavior.

      When I have had married friends that have been cheated on, my heart has broken for them, and sometimes I have had to look the other way when they act out.

    • felony stupid says:

      This little tidbid has been quietly making the rounds for a while now. Can’t say I’m surprised by either the info or that Danielle would bring it up at the reunion. What I do find interesting is the possibility that D may be the one who unearthed this info in the first place…now that’s gold.

      Thanks for the link Squirrels!

    • emt2 says:

      I love it. Serves Teresa right. Everyone has been investigating Danielle. Now she has done it back to them. Don’t throw stones…..

  131. kats2 says:

    Just google the names Joe Giudice and Tara and you will find many ANON comments about this, just like the faux financial situation it seems like this too is old news to any one who knows Joe.

    “young, petite, blonde he brings around the construction sites”

    It sure explains the rage we see in Teresa and why she always talking about the amount of sex they have.

    • Squirrels says:

      Oh hell, neither of them is a prize. Mind you, I don’t wish being cheated on upon anyone. However, this is just another cog in the wheel that is this pair of swindlers.

      • kats2 says:

        Yes but we are dealing with criminals and who knows Tara the mistress could also be a link in the hidden money and assets. I just think it’s coming full circle and is the Karma we’ve been talking about.

    • felony stupid says:

      I get the impression that despite the big mouith and bravado T shows, she wants to be the old fashioned housewife and for some reason this includes turning a blind eye to your husband’s extracurricular activities.

      I would lay odds that she knows all about Tara (or whatever her name is and that Tara before that) but infidelity in and of itself is not a dealbreaker for her. IMO she probably doesn’t think it is really that big of a deal and that she is the ‘winner’ as long as she keeps the title of wife and access to the bank account. I suspect that she and Dina understand eachother on this one ifyouknowwhatimean. Anyone get the idea that Dina is more than happy to not have Mr. Tommy in her bed? She strikes me as the kind of woman that doens’t like to be touched. Sorry off topic…

      For T, it’s when outsiders start to judge her “old-fashioned” values this she becomes embarrassed so she makes a show of how great her marriage and sex life are.

  132. kats2 says:

    It will be entertaining to see how Caroline and the others defend this one. I guess this is just one more thing that bonds Teresa and Dina.

    • Squirrels says:

      Caroline will play the I’m there for my friend card, it brings us closer. Now did anyone notice that Caroline and Albert were also part of the PI deal? Did something came out about them?

  133. Amber...Real Wife says:

    It looks like the housewife that does it all by herself, yeah…sure, actually left her husband by himself. Probably all of the attention she placed on Danielle, following that story line, left a bored Joe alone too long. That coupled with filming, doing press for the show and later her book, gave Joe ample opportunity to look elsewhere. Of course this too is Danielle’s fault!

  134. kats2 says:

    I wonder if any of Danielle’s PI work is linked to what Danielle pulls out of the bag. How I wish it was pictures of all the spouses with other women. Dare to dream.

  135. dallaschick says:

    OK, I know most of you disagree with me, but it’s just my opinion so be gentle…

    I have no clue what Danielle’s been doing behind the scenes, but if it’s true that she hired a PI to investigate these women’s personal lives to get back at them, I think that’s completely out of bounds. It’s my understanding that they did not investigate her. There was a published book filled with verifiable details of her past criminal activity. I’m sorry, but even though I realize it was twenty years ago, I would think twice before allowing someone with her past, who might still have criminals out there with a vendetta against her, around my children. Especially since I’ve seen no indication that her company has improved. This season she was seen cavorting with ex-cons, who demonstrated little impulse control and implied they’d be more than happy to use violence if necessary. And she had these men in her home with her two young daughters. Personally I don’t blame her ex-husband for seeking custody if it’s because he’s concerned about the caliber of men she’s allowing in her life. What’s also troubling, she encouraged these men to accompany her in situations to deliberately intimidate others. To me it looks like she uses her sexuality to manipulate that creep Danny into acting and thinking as she would like him to. Reminds me of crime stories where a strong-willed woman twists a man’s mind until he is willing to kill for her while she claims ignorance and innocence after the fact. I don’t blame the rest of the cast for being concerned.

    I do agree that Teresa was especially foolish when she arrogantly claimed that “there were no skeletons in her closet” last year, but with Danielle’s violent associates and sex tapes (one which she claims she was tricked into and the other which she is proudly making money off of) I personally wouldn’t want to associate with her either, sorry. I don’t hate her or any of the other ladies, but really don’t understand why Danielle should be championed.

  136. Sara says:

    Yea, I’m not getting why people are getting behind Danielle on this. It feels weird.

  137. Chicagogirltoo says:

    Love your “tell it like it is” attitude! Here’s another tidbit for conversation…that bitch Cat is NOT a U.S. citizen, yet she feels compelled to voice her opinion about our country’s politics. Unless she has earned the right to vote in the next election, she needs to keep her thoughts to herself! NO ONE CARES WHAT SHE THINKS! GO BACK TO THE U.K. RUDEGIRL!

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