I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of New Jersey Reunion Part II September 7, 2010
Ok well I was disappointed, I don’t know about everyone else, but this big shocking revelation was that Jacqueline wanted to let it all go? And who was leaving the show forever? That is what we were promised by the faceless announcer. Nothing mentioned during the show at all….stay tuned…
Before we get into the show, Wall St Lady forwarded me the following information researched and put together by her husband, Wall St Man regarding Teresa and Joe Giudice’s bankruptcy and he has given me permission to share it with all of you, I think you’ll find it interesting:
Wall St Man:
Don’t they have a lawyer to represent them? I can’t believe they made all these “mistakes” under the guidance of a lawyer. If they don’t have a lawyer they probably did it on purpose to appeal to the judge that they were confused as to secured debtors versus unsecured debtors (which is what chapter 7 is all about).
Regardless, a good judge will see through all this. $7mm in UNSECURED debt is outrageous. Usually it’s credit cards and medical bills in the unsecured bucket. If Joe owes contractors, those contractors can put a lien on the properties but in most cases will have to wait until the property is sold to “cure” (pay off) the lien AFTER the bank mortgage is covered. In special cases the creditors committee can appeal to the judge, if their businesses are in jeopardy of bankruptcy, to put the property into foreclosure and treat the “combined contractor liens” like a second mortgage which is in default. Provided the sale of such property generates enough income to pay secured creditors (mortgage) first then contractors (unsecured). Rare but can happen if it’s in the best interest of everyone AND the debtor has perjured themself.
Chapter 7 was designed for people “who cannot make payments due to uncontrollable events” like job loss, illness NOT because they want to live above their means. So a good judge should “throw the book” at them. What I’m reading in the petition is horrendous. So far I see perjury and contempt of bankruptcy court. To prove fraud you must prove INTENT. Overspending is not fraud, it’s stupid, selfish, etc. However, if someone can come forward and present evidence of “premeditation” then you have fraud. You can also have fraud on a “cover up”. There seems to be many items that go beyond “I forgot that one”. Clearly these items fall into perjury and a judge can throw in “contempt” if he feels Joe and meatball were “malicious” and deliberately tried to obstruct justice in their dealing with the trustee. Something that is VERY plausible.
They have other problems also. Fraud in that mortgage application(item 59…). If he didn’t lie on the application he may have lied on his income taxes. Either way it’s a federal offense. Item 60 is a humdinger for the IRS to play with. Item 68 is interesting….co-mingling personal and business money. The IRS loves to audit those kinds of accounts. Mrs. Helmsley did time for that. Email the congressmen, governor and senators of New Jersey. That usually raises eyebrows.
You can read the most recent filing in the Giudice bankruptcy case by clicking on “Giudice filing document” above (right under the attractive photo of Jill Zarin)
Wall St Man also comprised a list of famous names that have filed bankruptcy which I’ll add to the bottom of the blog. Thank you Wall St Man for your views on the issue, I think they’re very informative.
So, did anyone else notice that there was no mention of a lost footage episode coming up next week as we would typically see. I’m surprised, but on the other hand, it seemed as though they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel with scenes as it was this season, we watched a group of people at a pumpkin farm, and talk talk talking about Danielle everywhere, there can’t possibly be less interesting footage available. So, really Bravo? No lost footage episode? There is a God!
The second part of the reunion opened with more of the same as last week. Caroline interrupting everything that Danielle was trying to say. They began with the discussion of Danny using a gay slur at the Brownstone, the fact remains that Danny said it, not Danielle so why were they badgering her like that? Teresa didn’t take that much slack last season when she defended her own husband using a gay slur.
The entire reunion was more of the same, every question was to Danielle and the rest just chimed in. Danielle was asked about her tweeting to a fan who said he wished Ashley were dead, she was asked about driving past Caroline’s house, she was accused of sleeping with married men, about Dina’s leaving the show because of her. To her credit, Danielle held it together for quite a while, she finally lost it just a bit and yelled, “one at a time!” and the only thing that managed to do is cause Teresa to repeat it just ensuring she looks so ridiculous! With no end in sight and with three women screeching at her, this was an attack with Andy’s blessings.
Let’s explore another question that was never answered. Teresa interviews during the “Brownstone” episode discussing Danny’s “F” word saying, “that was a gay slur, look it up in the dictionary, girlfriend.” How did Teresa know that Danny said that? We know they tape those talking head interviews a few weeks or maybe a month after filming and they do a three or four per season. The housewives always say they don’t know what the other ladies are doing until they see the episodes. Teresa wasn’t at the Brownstone. Dina, Caroline and Jacqueline weren’t at the Brownstone, and Chris didn’t directly hear Danny say it, so again, how did Teresa know that it was said in order to make that comment?
Andy pushed and pushed the “f” comment until it got to the point where all three ladies are screaming at Danielle at the same time, Andy is even attacking Danielle for something that someone else said. (On a side note, I wonder if Andy wasn’t gay, if he would have really pushed that hard with the questions about that subject) Andy can certainly make this personal when as an interviewer he should remain neutral. Andy clearly doesn’t like Danielle. Jacqueline starts to accuse Danielle of sleeping with married men, Teresa is imitating Danielle by swinging her hair like Danielle does and Caroline is calling Danielle a liar. Surprise, Danielle is gone again.
As Danielle storms off the set for the second time, Teresa is screaming at her calling her every foul and vulgar name under the sun. Very mature Teresa! “Aint I nice?” “I’m a classy woman” As the three ladies wait for Danielle to return, Teresa, in her finest hour calls Danielle a C U Next Tuesday….even Caroline, who seems to think that Teresa is cute and funny tells Teresa that word is unacceptable. Gee, Caroline does have a tiny bit of integrity, it took a vulgar word to find it but there it was, if only for a split second.
Before Danielle comes back out Andy actually has to seriously tell Teresa to “calm down”. I like the way Teresa keeps saying that she won’t hit Danielle, not because it is wrong to lay your hands on another person or that physical violence is never the answer, the reason Teresa won’t hit Danielle is because she’s afraid of getting sued. Teresa has said that same thing several time, “Danielle is sue happy.”
Can I just say that Andy Cohen is a manipulative piece of poop! The only question that was asked of a housewife other than Danielle was Andy’s question to Jacqueline about Ashley’s behavior. Before she’s allowed to answer, we view several clips. Here is where we should have seen all of Ashley’s nasty comments, eye rolls and attitude. Instead we saw Jacqueline telling Ashley that her behavior is unacceptable, reprimanding Ashley and then we see Ashley apologizing to her mother. Had we not watched the entire season, we would have thought that Ashley was a pretty good kid.
When Andy Cohen jumped all over Lynne Curtain of the Orange County Housewives, we were treated to all of the horrible behavior, instead when it comes to Ashley, it is all sugar coated.
Jacqueline was, of course, let off the hook when it comes to her daughter’s behavior. Caroline asked why Danielle felt the need to go after the “children” referring to Ashley. However, when it comes to Ashley’s behavior, Jacqueline calls Ashley an adult that she cannot control. Yes, Jacqueline claims they took away her cell phone, took her bedroom door and took away her car. Those things had to have happened before Ashley was an “adult” right? Jacqueline said, “What can I do?” in that poor me, innocent voice like she did nothing wrong. Iron Hand Jacqueline, Iron Hand!
Ashley is a really angry young woman and there is something deep down inside that is really wrong with this girl. I personally think that Ashley feels like an outsider in her own home. She’s not a Laurita and she’s not a Manzo, she’s surrounded by people who are very tight knit and always have each other’s back no matter what. Even though Jacqueline has been with Chris Laurita since Ashley was 5-years old, Ashley doesn’t feel like a part of that family and I don’t think she ever will. It doesn’t matter how many meetings Caroline takes with Danielle on Ashley’s behalf, I think deep down Ashley knows that Caroline’s intent was to provide a season ending “event” for Bravo rather than really going to help Ashley. In fact, if Caroline’s goal was really to try to convince Danielle to drop all charges against Ashley, she really went about it the wrong way. She’s walking into a meeting with nothing to offer yet asking for a favor, how about a little humility Caroline? She has none!
Unfortunately, Andy Cohen has to bring up the departure of Dina Manzo, I mean really, do we care anymore? Personally, I didn’t miss her talking to her cats and meeting with her Energist one bit! Of course, it is all Danielle’s fault. Although surprisingly, Caroline even says that she thought Dina could have stuck it out. Interesting side note, Dina’s real name is Claudine. (thank you for that @real_housewives)
The appearance of Kim G did absolutely nothing to improve the show, in fact, Danielle was right, it was just another person on the couch attacking Danielle. Kim telling Danielle to “shut the fuck up” actually irritated the hell out of me. First of all Danielle is a “housewife” and entitled to be there, second of all, the whole point of the reunion was to talk about what happened all season so for anyone to tell someone to “shut up” just makes them look ridiculous! Although I must admit, I wished someone would have told Caroline to shut up. She never stopped butting in and commenting on things that had nothing to do with her. “Own It!” Caroline!
I did enjoy the argument between Teresa and Kim. I don’t know how Teresa can get around admitting that she started that one, she has started every fight we’ve seen this season. Teresa started by saying nasty things about Kim in her blog, Kim responded by tweeting nasty things about Teresa, mostly slamming her for her money troubles. Kim continues to this day tweeting little digs at Teresa and for my money, keep em coming honey! Kim’s “digs” at Teresa are actually not so little and they’re actually pretty funny. I find it amusing that people on Twitter who in one minute will tweet something negative to Teresa yet will criticize Kim when she does it. It is rather interesting to watch. Personally, I hope they continue to go after each other on Twitter, it is fun! Kim and Teresa’s argument was actually just starting to get good when Caroline, who was running the show from the get go, decided that it was silly because it wasn’t a Danielle bash party anymore, so it was ended on Manzo orders. It was also the one and only smile we got out of Danielle on the entire show, watching Teresa and Kim go at it!
The tweet discussion was extremely irritating, Andy Cohen seems to have different sets of rules for each of the Housewives reunions. If we are going to talk about a Tweet that Danielle sent, why can’t we talk about Amazongate with Jill Zarin? Both happened off screen, both happened on the internet, there really is very little difference here, why the different standards, Mr. Cohen?
For the record, I did see the tweet that they were discussing, the problem with Twitter is that when you respond to someone, there really is never any way of knowing which tweet you’re responding to, you are sending a tweet to someone, it could be just an opening line or it could be part of a conversation or it could be in response to something. I’m not defending Danielle, because I think she did respond to the Birthday thing, but she was right, there is no proof and the tweets that Ashley and Jacqueline have posted about Danielle are really pretty bad as well, Teresa even got a few digs into Danielle on Twitter.
Suddenly harps began to play and the sky parted, the sun shone down upon Jacqueline and the angels sang. She had an epiphany! All of a sudden and without warning, Jacqueline decides she no longer wants to try to destroy Danielle’s life. She is tired of yelling out insults, and stupidly reciting Danielle’s crimes of 25 years ago, she has gotten her little digs in and she’s finished. Tada! Congratulations Jacqueline, there may be some hope for you after all.
The infection spreads to Teresa who tells Danielle that she never called the press, never talked about Danielle and only attacked because she was attacked first. Caroline is way too far away from dingbat 1 and dingbat 2 for the love to spread to her. She tells Jacqueline to stop being weak and stop making amends and stop with the forgiving and the forgetting. Caroline wants to hold a grudge damnit and she needs her minions to be loyal to the family. The family wants to hate Danielle and once again, just like the last supper, Jacqueline betrays the family and allows everyone to move on. What a bitch! Caroline clearly prefers the mean and vicious Jacqueline to the nice, sweet and angelic Jacqueline. Yes Caroline, you are a bitch. “Own It!” Yippiekiay!
Caroline made a complete fool of herself at the end (again) with her “Own It” and when she was called out for trying to control Jacqueline, Caroline said, “I’m no dummy”. That was, in essence, calling Jacqueline a dummy. Possibly Teresa too, but Teresa is a dummy so no loss there! I wonder what Caroline would have liked to do at that point? She must have enjoyed the drama of it all and she does have empty nest syndrome, so maybe this battle was giving her a reason to live? She kept saying that Danielle dragged her into this yet I don’t remember seeing Danielle in Caroline’s kitchen fueling the fire all season, I think it was Jacqueline doing that in between eating pop tarts.
I never expected Danielle to stand up and hug Teresa and clearly neither did Teresa! The long hug between Danielle and Jacqueline was pretty creepy. It went on for an uncomfortably long time and was further creepified by Danielle’s whispers in Jacqueline’s ear, she said things like, “no more”, “I love you”, “I’m sorry”, “you have my word”, “I’m happy and moving on”, “I’m sorry about what I did to you”.
The fact that Danielle was first to apologize to all three of the ladies and in fact none of them apologized to her, leads me to believe that there certainly may be things that happened off screen that we don’t know anything about. I get that Danielle may feel the need to apologize for pressing charges against Ashley, particularly for claiming that Ashley threatened her life, because I think we can all agree that didn’t happen.
Andy also asked Danielle if she would drop any litigation against any of the other housewives, while she didn’t make any promises, she did agree to call her attorney. I’d love to have more details on that, what lawsuits and whether or not she dropped them. There were rumors that Danielle brought a civil suit against Teresa and Jacqueline for the fiasco at the Country Club
What on earth does Danielle have to apologize to Teresa for? Or Caroline? What could Danielle have done that the other ladies refuse to talk about on screen? It seems to me they were quick to report anything negative that Danielle did, why hold out on the good stuff?
I would like an answer to the previews promising that one housewife will leave forever, did I blink and miss that?
We didn’t get an answer on the reunion but Bravotv.com posted the answer shortly after the reunion had aired on the West Coast:
No surprise there, Andy Cohen states that the Reunion will be Danielle Staub’s final appearance on The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Bye Danielle, bring on Melissa!
I’ve really never looked forward to the END of a season as much as I’ve looked forward to this one being over. I really don’t know what inexplicable force drew me to the television every Monday night, but there you have it, the season is over and we can rejoice!
Andy Cohen live tweeted during the show, this is very unusual for him, in fact I don’t remember him ever doing it, here are his useless tweets:
No one knew she was there and no one was happy to see her.
It was really hard pulling the hair out of that dummy head. Caroline was laughing and I was pulling. It had to hurt.
That Twitter convo went on verrrry long and had just happened a few days before taping. I was anxious to get back to the actual show…
To @BravoAndy you guys should get chairs with seat belts
I hate talking about stuff that didn’t happen on the show. Very hard to back up…
The ladies were not told that Kim g was backstage and would be joining us soon….
What you see on tv is exactly the order the taping went… There was a lot of anger and three against one….
It is obvious that Andy doesn’t like talking about things that didn’t happen on the show, yet his card o’ questions were loaded with things that didn’t happen on the show. For example, how did Andy Cohen know about the birthday tweet regarding Ashley? It had to have been pre-planned as a question that Jacqueline had prepared with her cell phone and all, yet it didn’t happen on the show, so why was it even discussed?
Thanks again to Wall St Man who provided some famous American’s who have filed Bankruptcy:
The Great American circus owner
Actor; Romeo & Juliet
Oscar – winning actress (1993)
Wizard of Oz author
Barbara Bel Geddes
Actor; Miss Elle on Dallas
Actor; Housekeeper on Gimme a Break
Oscar – winning film producer, animation & theme park pioneer (1923)
Zsa Zsa Gabor
Cop-slapping Gabor sister
Olympic gold-medal ice-skater (1996)
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Until Next Time…….