I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of NJ Reunion Final Sept 7, 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin     Real Housewives of New Jersey Reunion Part II  September 7, 2010

 Ok well I was disappointed, I don’t know about everyone else, but this big shocking revelation was that Jacqueline wanted to let it all go?  And who was leaving the show forever?  That is what we were promised by the faceless announcer.  Nothing mentioned during the show at all….stay tuned…

 Before we get into the show, Wall St Lady forwarded me the following information researched and put together by her husband, Wall St Man regarding Teresa and Joe Giudice’s bankruptcy and he has given me permission to share it with all of you, I think you’ll find it interesting:

Wall St Man:

Don’t they have a lawyer to represent them? I can’t believe they made all these “mistakes” under the guidance of a lawyer. If they don’t have a lawyer they probably did it on purpose to appeal to the judge that they were confused as to secured debtors versus unsecured debtors (which is what chapter 7 is all about).

 Regardless, a good judge will see through all this. $7mm in UNSECURED debt is outrageous. Usually it’s credit cards and medical bills in the unsecured bucket. If Joe owes contractors, those contractors can put a lien on the properties but in most cases will have to wait until the property is sold to “cure” (pay off) the lien AFTER the bank mortgage is covered. In special cases the creditors committee can appeal to the judge, if their businesses are in jeopardy of bankruptcy, to put the property into foreclosure and treat the “combined contractor liens” like a second mortgage which is in default. Provided the sale of such property generates enough income to pay secured creditors (mortgage) first then contractors (unsecured).  Rare but can happen if it’s in the best interest of everyone AND the debtor has perjured themself.

 Chapter 7 was designed for people “who cannot make payments due to uncontrollable events” like job loss, illness NOT because they want to live above their means. So a good judge should “throw the book” at them. What I’m reading in the petition is horrendous. So far I see perjury and contempt of bankruptcy court. To prove fraud you must prove INTENT. Overspending is not fraud, it’s stupid, selfish, etc. However, if someone can come forward and present evidence of “premeditation” then you have fraud. You can also have fraud on a “cover up”. There seems to be many items that go beyond “I forgot that one”. Clearly these items fall into perjury and a judge can throw in “contempt” if he feels Joe and meatball were “malicious” and deliberately tried to obstruct justice  in their dealing with the trustee. Something that is VERY plausible. 

 They have other problems also. Fraud in that mortgage application(item 59…). If he didn’t lie on the application he may have lied on his income taxes. Either way it’s a federal offense. Item 60 is a humdinger for the IRS to play with. Item 68 is interesting….co-mingling personal and business money. The IRS loves to audit those kinds of accounts. Mrs. Helmsley did time for that. Email the congressmen, governor and senators of New Jersey. That usually raises eyebrows.

 You can read the most recent filing in the Giudice bankruptcy case by clicking on “Giudice filing document” above (right under the attractive photo of Jill Zarin)

Wall St Man also comprised a list of famous names that have filed bankruptcy which I’ll add to the bottom of the blog.   Thank you Wall St Man for your views on the issue, I think they’re very informative. 

 So, did anyone else notice that there was no mention of a lost footage episode coming up next week as we would typically see.  I’m surprised, but on the other hand, it seemed as though they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel with scenes as it was this season, we watched a group of people at a pumpkin farm, and talk talk talking about Danielle everywhere, there can’t possibly be less interesting footage available.  So, really Bravo?  No lost footage episode?  There is a God! 

 The second part of the reunion opened with more of the same as last week.  Caroline interrupting everything that Danielle was trying to say.  They began with the discussion of Danny using a gay slur at the Brownstone, the fact remains that Danny said it, not Danielle so why were they badgering her like that?  Teresa didn’t take that much slack last season when she defended her own husband using a gay slur. 

 The entire reunion was more of the same, every question was to Danielle and the rest just chimed in.  Danielle was asked about her tweeting to a fan who said he wished Ashley were dead, she was asked about driving past Caroline’s house, she was accused of sleeping with married men, about Dina’s leaving the show because of her.  To her credit, Danielle held it together for quite a while, she finally lost it just a bit and yelled, “one at a time!” and the only thing that managed to do is cause Teresa to repeat it just ensuring she looks so ridiculous!  With no end in sight and with three women screeching at her, this was an attack with Andy’s blessings.

Let’s explore another question that was never answered.  Teresa interviews during the “Brownstone” episode discussing Danny’s “F” word saying, “that was a gay slur, look it up in the dictionary, girlfriend.”  How did Teresa know that Danny said that?  We know they tape those talking head interviews a few weeks or maybe a month after filming and they do a three or four per season.  The housewives always say they don’t know what the other ladies are doing until they see the episodes.  Teresa wasn’t at the Brownstone.  Dina, Caroline and Jacqueline weren’t at the Brownstone, and Chris didn’t directly hear Danny say it, so again, how did Teresa know that it was said in order to make that comment? 

 Andy pushed and pushed the “f” comment until it got to the point where all three ladies are screaming at Danielle at the same time, Andy is even attacking Danielle for something that someone else said.  (On a side note, I wonder if Andy wasn’t gay, if he would have really pushed that hard with the questions about that subject)  Andy can certainly make this personal when as an interviewer he should remain neutral.  Andy clearly doesn’t like Danielle.  Jacqueline starts to accuse Danielle of sleeping with married men, Teresa is imitating Danielle by swinging her hair like Danielle does and Caroline is calling Danielle a liar.  Surprise, Danielle is gone again. 

 As Danielle storms off the set for the second time, Teresa is screaming at her calling her every foul and vulgar name under the sun.  Very mature Teresa!  “Aint I nice?”  “I’m a classy woman”  As the three ladies wait for Danielle to return, Teresa, in her finest hour calls Danielle a C U Next Tuesday….even Caroline, who seems to think that Teresa is cute and funny tells Teresa that word is unacceptable.  Gee, Caroline does have a tiny bit of integrity, it took a vulgar word to find it but there it was, if only for a split second. 

 Before Danielle comes back out Andy actually has to seriously tell Teresa to “calm down”.  I like the way Teresa keeps saying that she won’t hit Danielle, not because it is wrong to lay your hands on another person or that physical violence is never the answer, the reason Teresa won’t hit Danielle is because she’s afraid of getting sued.  Teresa has said that same thing several time, “Danielle is sue happy.”

 Can I just say that Andy Cohen is a manipulative piece of poop!  The only question that was asked of a housewife other than Danielle was Andy’s question to Jacqueline about Ashley’s behavior.  Before she’s allowed to answer, we view several clips.  Here is where we should have seen all of Ashley’s nasty comments, eye rolls and attitude.  Instead we saw Jacqueline telling Ashley that her behavior is unacceptable, reprimanding Ashley and then we see Ashley apologizing to her mother.  Had we not watched the entire season, we would have thought that Ashley was a pretty good kid. 

 When Andy Cohen jumped all over Lynne Curtain of the Orange County Housewives, we were treated to all of the horrible behavior, instead when it comes to Ashley, it is all sugar coated. 

 Jacqueline was, of course, let off the hook when it comes to her daughter’s behavior.  Caroline asked why Danielle felt the need to go after the “children” referring to Ashley.  However, when it comes to Ashley’s behavior, Jacqueline calls Ashley an adult that she cannot control.  Yes, Jacqueline claims they took away her cell phone, took her bedroom door and took away her car.   Those things had to have happened before Ashley was an “adult” right?   Jacqueline said, “What can I do?” in that poor me, innocent voice like she did nothing wrong.  Iron Hand Jacqueline, Iron Hand!

 Ashley is a really angry young woman and there is something deep down inside that is really wrong with this girl.  I personally think that Ashley feels like an outsider in her own home.  She’s not a Laurita and she’s not a Manzo, she’s surrounded by people who are very tight knit and always have each other’s back no matter what.  Even though Jacqueline has been with Chris Laurita since Ashley was 5-years old, Ashley doesn’t feel like a part of that family and I don’t think she ever will.  It doesn’t matter how many meetings Caroline takes with Danielle on Ashley’s behalf, I think deep down Ashley knows that Caroline’s intent was to provide a season ending “event” for Bravo rather than really going to help Ashley.  In fact, if Caroline’s goal was really to try to convince Danielle to drop all charges against Ashley, she really went about it the wrong way.  She’s walking into a meeting with nothing to offer yet asking for a favor, how about a little humility Caroline?  She has none!

 Unfortunately, Andy Cohen has to bring up the departure of Dina Manzo, I mean really, do we care anymore?  Personally, I didn’t miss her talking to her cats and meeting with her Energist one bit!  Of course, it is all Danielle’s fault.  Although surprisingly, Caroline even says that she thought Dina could have stuck it out.  Interesting side note, Dina’s real name is Claudine.  (thank you for that @real_housewives)

 The appearance of Kim G did absolutely nothing to improve the show, in fact, Danielle was right, it was just another person on the couch attacking Danielle.  Kim  telling Danielle to “shut the fuck up” actually irritated the hell out of me.  First of all Danielle is a “housewife” and entitled to be there, second of all, the whole point of the reunion was to talk about what happened all season so for anyone to tell someone to “shut up” just makes them look ridiculous!  Although I must admit, I wished someone would have told Caroline to shut up.  She never stopped butting in and commenting on things that had nothing to do with her.  “Own It!” Caroline!

 I did enjoy the argument between Teresa and Kim.  I don’t know how Teresa can get around admitting that she started that one, she has started every fight we’ve seen this season.  Teresa started by saying nasty things about Kim in her blog, Kim responded by tweeting nasty things about Teresa, mostly slamming her for her money troubles.  Kim continues to this day tweeting little digs at Teresa and for my money, keep em coming honey!  Kim’s “digs” at Teresa are actually not so little and they’re actually pretty funny.  I find it amusing that people on Twitter who in one minute will  tweet something negative to Teresa yet will criticize Kim when she does it.  It is rather interesting to watch.  Personally, I hope they continue to go after each other on Twitter, it is fun!  Kim and Teresa’s argument was actually just starting to get good when Caroline, who was running the show from the get go, decided that it was silly because it wasn’t a Danielle bash party anymore, so it was ended on Manzo orders.  It was also the one and only smile we got out of Danielle on the entire show, watching Teresa and Kim go at it! 

 The tweet discussion was extremely irritating, Andy Cohen seems to have different sets of rules for each of the Housewives reunions.  If we are going to talk about a Tweet that Danielle sent, why can’t we talk about Amazongate with Jill Zarin?  Both happened off screen, both happened on the internet, there really is very little difference here, why the different standards, Mr. Cohen?

 For the record, I did see the tweet that they were discussing, the problem with Twitter is that when you respond to someone, there really is never any way of knowing which tweet you’re responding to, you are sending a tweet to someone, it could be just an opening line or it could be part of a conversation or it could be in response to something.  I’m not defending Danielle, because I think she did respond to the Birthday thing, but she was right, there is no proof and the tweets that Ashley and Jacqueline have posted about Danielle are really pretty bad as well, Teresa even got a few digs into Danielle on Twitter. 

 Suddenly harps began to play and the sky parted, the sun shone down upon Jacqueline and the angels sang.  She had an epiphany!  All of a sudden and without warning, Jacqueline decides she no longer wants to try to destroy Danielle’s life.  She is tired of yelling out insults, and stupidly reciting Danielle’s crimes of 25 years ago, she has gotten her little digs in and she’s finished.  Tada!  Congratulations Jacqueline, there may be some hope for you after all. 

 The infection spreads to Teresa who tells Danielle that she never called the press, never talked about Danielle and only attacked because she was attacked first.  Caroline is way too far away from dingbat 1 and dingbat 2 for the love to spread to her.  She tells Jacqueline to stop being weak and stop making amends and stop with the forgiving and the forgetting.  Caroline wants to hold a grudge damnit and she needs her minions to be loyal to the family.   The family wants to hate Danielle and once again, just like the last supper, Jacqueline betrays the family and allows everyone to move on.  What a bitch!  Caroline clearly prefers the mean and vicious Jacqueline to the nice, sweet and angelic Jacqueline.  Yes Caroline, you are a bitch.  “Own It!”  Yippiekiay!

 Caroline made a complete fool of herself at the end (again) with her “Own It” and when she was called out for trying to control Jacqueline, Caroline said, “I’m no dummy”.  That was, in essence, calling Jacqueline a dummy.  Possibly Teresa too, but Teresa is a dummy so no loss there!  I wonder what Caroline would have liked to do at that point?  She must have enjoyed the drama of it all and she does have empty nest syndrome, so maybe this battle was giving her a reason to live?  She kept saying that Danielle dragged her into this yet I don’t remember seeing Danielle in Caroline’s kitchen fueling the fire all season, I think it was Jacqueline doing that in between eating pop tarts. 

I never expected Danielle to stand up and hug Teresa and clearly neither did Teresa!  The long hug between Danielle and Jacqueline was pretty creepy.  It went on for an uncomfortably long time and was further creepified by Danielle’s whispers in Jacqueline’s ear, she said things like, “no more”, “I love you”, “I’m sorry”, “you have my word”, “I’m happy and moving on”, “I’m sorry about what I did to you”.

 The fact that Danielle was first to apologize to all three of the ladies and in fact none of them apologized to her, leads me to believe that there certainly may be things that happened off screen that we don’t know anything about.  I get that Danielle may feel the need to apologize for pressing charges against Ashley, particularly for claiming that Ashley threatened her life, because I think we can all agree that didn’t happen. 

 Andy also asked Danielle if she would drop any litigation against any of the other housewives, while she didn’t make any promises, she did agree to call her attorney.  I’d love to have more details on that, what lawsuits and whether or not she dropped them.  There were rumors that Danielle brought a civil suit against Teresa and Jacqueline for the fiasco at the Country Club

 What on earth does Danielle have to apologize to Teresa for?  Or Caroline?  What could Danielle have done that the other ladies refuse to talk about on screen?  It seems to me they were quick to report anything negative that Danielle did, why hold out on the good stuff? 

 I would like an answer to the previews promising that one housewife will leave forever, did I blink and miss that? 

We didn’t get an answer on the reunion but Bravotv.com posted the answer shortly after the reunion had aired on the West Coast:


 No surprise there, Andy Cohen states that the Reunion will be Danielle Staub’s final appearance on The Real Housewives of New Jersey.  Bye Danielle, bring on Melissa! 

I’ve really never looked forward to the END of a season as much as I’ve looked forward to this one being over.  I really don’t know what inexplicable force drew me to the television every Monday night, but there you have it, the season is over and we can rejoice!   

 Andy Cohen live tweeted during the show, this is very unusual for him, in fact I don’t remember him ever doing it, here are his useless tweets:

 No one knew she was there and no one was happy to see her.

It was really hard pulling the hair out of that dummy head. Caroline was laughing and I was pulling. It had to hurt.

That Twitter convo went on verrrry long and had just happened a few days before taping. I was anxious to get back to the actual show…

To @BravoAndy you guys should get chairs with seat belts

I hate talking about stuff that didn’t happen on the show. Very hard to back up…

The ladies were not told that Kim g was backstage and would be joining us soon….

What you see on tv is exactly the order the taping went… There was a lot of anger and three against one….

 It is obvious that Andy doesn’t like talking about things that didn’t happen on the show, yet his card o’ questions were loaded with things that didn’t happen on the show.  For example, how did Andy Cohen know about the birthday tweet regarding Ashley?  It had to have been pre-planned as a question that Jacqueline had prepared with her cell phone and all, yet it didn’t happen on the show, so why was it even discussed? 

 Thanks again to Wall St Man who provided some famous American’s who have filed Bankruptcy:

 P.T. Barnum

The Great American circus owner

John Barrymore

Actor; Romeo & Juliet

Kim Basinger

Oscar – winning actress (1993)

Frank Baum

Wizard of Oz author

Barbara Bel Geddes

Actor; Miss Elle on Dallas

Nell Carter

Actor; Housekeeper on Gimme a Break

Natalie Cole


Walt Disney

Oscar – winning film producer, animation & theme park pioneer (1923)

Gary Coleman

actor (1999)

Zsa Zsa Gabor

Cop-slapping Gabor sister

Dorothy Hamill

Olympic gold-medal ice-skater (1996)

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Until Next Time…….


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749 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of NJ Reunion Final Sept 7, 2010

  1. momsthoughts says:

    I too wondered what sort of Lawyer the “Juicey” family has…but I guess there is always some one out there looking for work…and he probably figures their celebrity will bring him biz. Lawyers will do just about anything. He probably did his best to get them to cooperate and that was the best he could get – and I bet he warned them – but these two think they are above the law – so they went with their lies and omissions….apparently Juicy’s brother also filed years ago and probably told him to leave things out, etc…..unfortunately, the Juicey’s are on Nat’l tv and under a microscope. I really hope – for the people of NJ – that this judge throws the book at them. I hope the IRS makes and example of them. I am tired of dealing with the fall out of scammers and cheats like them.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Actually, they do have a lawyer, of course. But I can tell you from experience, there are lots of really lousy lawyers out there. And lots of lousy clients. That’s why I learned to document everything I said to everyone, especially clients. It is necessary to protect yourself when they won’t listen to you and they don’t get what they want, and they claim “you never told me…” Sort of like doctors who mark “discharged against medical advice” on charts. I spent a huge amount of time writing letters to clients saying “I am giving you my best advice which is to do XYZ and this is why” and “the potential consequences of doing it your way are….”

      I can’t begin to guess which of the two happened here. Maybe some of both.

      It is actually quite common for the original schedules to be incomplete. Typically you have to file fast to stop pending actions and even in simple cases, some things are forgotten. So it is common to see amended schedules.

      Their attorney has been practicing a long time and seemingly has very good credentials.

      So I am guessing that M/M Juicy Gorilla just wouldn’t listen to him. I suspect that most of you would agree that this is the most plausible explanation.

      I’ll bet he is sorry he took them as clients.

    • quincyillinois says:

      The lawyer probably gave them papers to list all of their properties and the couple didn’t bother to do the work. They seem to have a lot of confidence in him. He’s going to save their house afterall.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Knowing a couple of this type of lawyer plus one of the Illinois Trustees – I had to ask about how sloppy the Guidice Bankruptsy petition was done. First, you can counsel but the petitioner still may not be honest or cooperative or willing to take advice. Second, they may just be trying to draw this out as long as possible and are thinking only short term about keeping their current lifestyle. Third – they likely never qualified for Chap 7 and now they will be at the mercy of the trustee/judge and no longer have any control over their situation. And lastly, the IRS will have a field day with these two and beyond penalties there could very well be jail time.

      • ImaJillHater2 says:

        Is it not possible to withdraw a bankruptcy petition?

        Meaning that if the G’s determine that they won’t qualify for chapter 7, can’t they just withdraw the petition – or – are they forced to ride out the process?

        • Meadow says:

          You can withdraw a bankruptcy petition, however, the attempt to commit fraud upon the court is already a done deal and withdrawal of the petition would not guarantee that the court would not pursue fines and/or imprisonment (unlikely in this case).

          Courts do not like when people attempt to put one over on them or take up their valuable time.

          • Had Enough! says:

            Actually, two blogs back, Just Another Jersey Girl pointed out that there is no right under the statute to withdraw the petition. I’d forgotten that. I checked and she was right of course. I didn’t go back and read up on current case law about the circumstances under which it might be allowed, but when the Court thinks that the petitioners were just using the system, it is hardly going to be a cake walk for the petitioners.

            • Meadow says:

              Your’re right, any withdrawal need the court’s approval ( I should have added that) and if the creditor’s will be harmed the court is not likely to give its approval.
              I was just looking at the docket and they have until 10/4 to answer the US Trustee and won’t have a pretrial hearing until 12/14 – it’s going to be a long wait until we know something. I cannot wait to read their answer. Talk about a creative writing project.

    • Moms you gotta tell me…….how did RoidRage Joe come to be known as “Juicy”? WHAT did I miss????

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        Beth- I am not a mom. Never have been never will be.

        Evidently you don’t watch the show? Theresa said in season 1 that she was in love with Joe because he is “so juicy” hence the moniker was born.

        • I DO watch the show. I was replying to user “Mom’sThought’s” at the top. Thats why I hit the ‘Reply’ rightunder her name. Thanks for clearing that up gor me that you’re not a mom though.

          • momsthoughts says:

            Hi!! “Mom” here! Actually I first saw it all over twitter and thought at first it was a twitter nickname…but then I saw the clip when Tree said she thought he was so juicy and loves loves loves him – or w/e. So, he has henceforth been known, among other things, as Juicy Joe 🙂

            *I really am a Mom, I don’t just play one on Twitter 🙂

          • OneMoreinBoston says:

            hey Beth-no worries!

            I just thought you were trying to patronize us all again, you know with our pearls and all.

    • dancekrazy says:

      I can’t believe this blog, Lynn. Your defense of Danielle is curious. Maybe we were not watching the same show this season.
      Caroline went to meet Danielle to ask her to drop the harrassment charges, which were never proven to my satisfaction….not the simple assault. Also, Caroline went to see if she could speak to Danielle woman to woman to ask her to stop all the talk if they (the Manzo’s, Guidice’s, and Laurita’s) agreed to do the same. In other words, both get out of each other’s lives for good, but she never got that far. Prior to her leaving to meet Danielle, and before she even texted her to meet, it seemed agreed upon by all parties on “her side”. She went to bat for Ashley, who gets no sympathy from me at all. Jacquiline’s long hug of Danielle was a slap in the face to Caroline, in my opinion as I feel that she dragged Caroline right back into this situation where Caroline did not want to be. Yeah, I’d be pissed off too.
      Just as an aside: Dina is a nickname of Claudina and very common in Italian, so I’m not sure what your point was in that.
      I am not taking anything other than that which I saw on screen during the season. I don’t care about Theresa’s bankruptcy……it isn’t relevant to the reunion at all. Kim G is a non-entity. Joe’s DUI is irrelevant. Danielle’s behavior and statements all season have indicated to me that she is indeed a dangerous woman who associates with dangerous people.



      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        Danielle couldn’t drop the charges, it was a criminal offense.
        It doesn’t matter that you or I were satisfied, The NJ court system took over.

        And actually Danielle could have made it much worse by taking Ashey’s texts to a judge and asking for a restraining order. She would have gotten it in MA .

        Ironically I AM very concerned about Theresa’s bankruptcy and AM very concerned about Joe’s DUI- as they can hurt other people.

        Danielle’s bodyguards are licensed to carry, usually are former law enforcement officials, and are typically bonded. Which means a background check both criminal and financial is run on them.

        Armed or not, I believe they are safer to be around than a loose cannon like Theresa or Ashley.

        • dancekrazy says:

          Am I correct in this or not? If the complaining witness (Danielle) agreed to accept the plea of one count of simple assault (upon the judge’s and DA’s recommendation), that would’ve been it? Even in murder cases, charges are often plead down at the recommendation of the state to expedite the docket.
          Look, I agree that Ashley deserves no sympathy, but one thing that never seemed to be proven, even during a 4 1/2 hour trial (unheard of for pulling hair), was that Ashley ever threatened Danielle.
          Don’t get me wrong…….Ashley is a brat with no respect and a brazen sense of entitlement, I was just commenting on the reason that Caroline said she was going to meet with Danielle (to drop the harrassment charge), and to agree to just stay out of each other’s lives.
          As far as Danielle, I was not referring to a security detail, I was referring to the crew she “encouraged” to come to the Brownstone with her, and specifically Danny. She could have quickly told all the extraneous guys to go once she had Danny and Kim G there.
          As far as Joe’s DUI, absolutely right as that could be dangerous, but it was covered in one episode and was addressed on this reunion show, but with so much more to discuss regarding the episodes, it and the bankruptcy were not quite as important to viewers who don’t get too involved in what is not seen on TV. Personally, I like the things people say and do ON the episodes addressed.
          Thank you so much for responding. If you are an attorney, would you answer the questions in my first paragraph though because I’d really like to know.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Where are you getting that she went to Danielle to ask that she drop only the harassment charge? Her words were that she wanted to ask her to drop the CHARGES= plural. The harassment was one charge and the simple assault was another.

        It’s pretty clear that Caroline wanted her to drop ALL the charges.

        Caroline ‘offer’ IMO was borderline extortion; either drop the charges or you won’t be able to shake us.

        I don’t know how the hug was a slap in the face to Caroline, Jac didn’t initiate it and it was pretty clear it was awkward. Caroline wasn’t dragged into anything, as much as she protests about not wanting anything to do with Danielle, she certainly entertains plenty of conversations about her.

        Are you the Bravo Net Exec who runs TWOP? Why are you determining what is relevant and irrelevant at the reunion for the rest of us, especially when they have blogged about it themselves?

      • Curtis says:

        It’s like you didn’t watch the systematic and thoughtful campaign to destroy Danielle’s reputation in Season 1 and then watched this season with even the least bit of a critical eye. There was not a single instance where Danielle did anything to purposefully confront or interact with any of the Mazo gang. I ‘ll give you that Danielle went off the deep end this season in her paranoid belief that the Manzo gang was out to get her, and in choosing to surround herself with unsympathetic bodyguards made the producers jobs of turning her into the villain this season very easy, But that paranoia came from the fact that Manzo gang had been truly out to get her in season 1, had dug up material from her past that had no bearing on her current life or her relationships or friendships with any member of the Manzo family. As it turned out in season 2, Danielle was right to be suspicious, as the Manzo gang was endlessly obsessed with her and in the person of Teresa in particular was aching for a fight, and literally laying in wait to start an actual altercation that Danielle to her credit was in the process of walking right past without any need to engage. I think Teresa realizes that she was elevated to Reality TV Superstardom by her legendary table throwing incident and was desperate to capture lightning in a bottle again to keep the fame flame burning bright. I think Lynn has called it pretty accurately as to how Caroline has acted throughout two seasons of the show, that she is a phony and is completely insincere or seriously deluded about her own status as Earth Goddess and Mother of the Universe and Most Perfect and Moral Person Who Has Ever Existed.

  2. It will be interesting to see what happens. As for the bankruptcy, clients lie to their attorneys all the time.

  3. Meadow says:

    Interesting post – a few thoughts – T and J are being represented by an attorney, however, a bankruptcy attorney can only go by the information given to him/her by the clients and what might appear in public records. It’s not their job to have their own clients investigated. That said, the attorney must urge the clients to fully disclose all pertinent information and inform the client of the consequences of not being forthcoming with all the requested information.

    Unfortunately clients lie all the time and if an
    attorney is aware of the fraud/misrepresentations, he/she may withdraw from representing that client. A good attorney does not want their reputation ruined by clients like these.

    I certainly hope that their bankruptcy is denied it would set a bad precedent to allow them the protection of bankruptcy when they so blatantly attempted to perpetrate a fraud upon the court.

    • BKA amia009 says:

      If its denied they could use right? People they owe money to could actually go for the house oh wait its not paid for..

      • Meadow says:

        I’m sorry, I don’t understand your first sentence, but yes, if it’s denied the creditors can come after them with full force and they can obtain judgments that can follow them for years – attaching to any new property they may purchase, etc.

        • BKAamia009 says:

          Im sorry I meant they could lose the right to file bankrupt if found they lied?

          • Meadow says:

            Yes. That’s what the US Trustee is doing now – requesting that the court deny the bankruptcy.

            • Rabble Rouser says:

              I beleive someone who is a bit more familiar with all this said the trustees aren’t asking that the bankruptcy be denied, just that the debts will not be discharged. I think it means they still have a bankruptcy on recorded- but are expected to payback their creditors.

              • Meadow says:

                Right that’s true. I don’t like to use bankruptcy terms such as discharged because not everyone understands that and we’re not holding a law school class here. The point is that ultimately their bankruptcy is not successful if their debts are not discharged and there will be a mark on their credit report for having filed for bankruptcy even they withdraw the petition themselves.

        • Jeana says:

          We ALL know that Tacky T and Juicy will put everything in their Mom and Pops name from here on out. The Baboons biggest worry is the IRS. Surely, there was an IRS agent watching in Season 1 when Tacky T pulled out $120,000 in CASH to pay for furiture!! As a matter of fact, I don’t remember her or Juicy paying for anything on credit…just wads, and wads of cash. I don’t know about your neck of the woods, but in my neck of the woods that means either drug dealing or laundering money!

          Laundry money much????

  4. BKA amia009 says:

    Everyone is saying that Danielle was fired, did Andy or any Bravo official use the word fired? I didnt watch last night can someone elaborate more on Kim G’s fight w/ Teresa?

    • Olivia says:

      Bravo only said that Danielle wasn’t returning; no mention of being fired.

      Hard to figure out what the problem is between Teresa and Kim G but it was quite evident that they do not like one another. But I am with Teresa here, Kim G is truly despicable and Bravo did a good job featuring outtakes of her out and out duplicity in order to gain a foothold on that show.

      The best part was Caroline rejecting any possibility of their being “friends”.

      • sophie says:

        How do these women think they’re going to be able to do business as respectable people when they demonstrate they’ve got no class and are vulgar? Kim G amazes me. Knowing what I know about her, that she’s a backstabbing, two-faced foul mouthed user, I’d never ever want to do business with her.

        I don’t want to buy books from trashy women, women who commit fraud or otherwise.

        I think these ‘woman’ feel the more notorious their behavior is, the better they’ll be financially. Don’t they realize they’re a drop in the trash bucket? When the fame and money wear out, they’ll be remembered in their towns as people to avoid at all costs.

        • MAMAZ says:

          I think it’s possible that Danielle decided not to return. I wonder if it’s connected in any way to the rumour that Tom Staub is suing for custody of Jillian.
          If she asked to be let out of her contract I think Bravo would agree since Teresa is the new villain anyway.

    • TrueLifeDiva says:

      No one is ever REALLY fired. They are always “Not invited back for another season” or they decide “Not to return for personal reasons”. The translation of those phrases=FIRED 🙂

  5. Had Enough! says:

    Lynn – it never ceases to amaze me that you can wrap up all that crap in so few words and really capture the essence of what went on.

    So I have to say that I hope Mrs. Gorilla does try to walk, breaking her contract, and bringing yet another lawsuit down on herself.

    I am sure we will hear sooner or later that Caroline has detached herself from the Giudices. She is just old school and you don’t do that kind of thing in public. In public, you support your troops.

    And Caroline? If Danielle Staub is in fact sitting in a car outside your house, get yourself a video camera and call the police. They are all your buddies, so pick up the phone and call them.

    • quincyillinois says:

      It’s a public street and Danielle can give a tour to a friend if she wants to give a tour and point at Caroline’s house.

      Caroline is a close friend of the sheriff. Call him if you have a concern.

      • Meadow says:

        They friend the sheriff actually left the office for another job.

        But I’m sure they will make friends with the new sheriff….

      • PJ says:

        That is true unless there is a restraining order Danielle can drive down any public street she wants.

        • alicia says:

          I’m surprised that homes of this value are on a public street with no gatehouse ? Or at least have an estate gate.

          • OneMoreinBoston says:

            That’s not uncommon on the East Coast. Part of my family lives in Southern Calif. and they can’t get over it.

    • Savannah111 says:

      I agree 100% with you regarding at some point that Caroline will chill out her relationship with Joe and Teresa lord knows she has a lot of egg on her face today so to speak. Remember when she said on their trip or maybe even toasted to, they may not be perfect but they are perfect together meaning the 2 families those words will come back to haunt her if there not right now…

      You know what, I’ve read from them maybe on their tweets not sure but I.ve read where some of the cast mentioned she would be in a parked car outside their homes etc.. I’m not saying that it;s not true that she hasnt done it before anything is possible case in point on the 1st episode when she wanting to drive by Carolines house but at this stage in the game the way they’ve gone after her and chasing her and saying on the show she doesnt want to run into them when that Danny guy wanted to take her to a place to eat I guess their known to eat at that same place, she seemed scared. I find it hard to believe she would be that bold and not be afraid.. However she is crazy…

    • tee tee says:

      Manzos are mobbed up. Why do you think Danielle is/was such a hot topic? There are a few people in my neighborhood I don’t care for, but you’ll never hear discussing them on and on. Iget they were on a show together, but nearly every scene Danielle’s name was brought up( even in Italy).

  6. Olivia says:

    What would be unique about the Guidice’s lying to their lawyer? They have lied to the courts, the banks, the IRS, probably Bravo, and the audience itself week after week. Lying is second nature to these two.

    What’s another lie on top of the ones they have been flinging for years? All Teresa does is lie in answering any legitimate questions posed to her. The biggest whopper is Joe’s DUI. Yawning? Come on!

    • quincyillinois says:

      Sure they lied to the judge. It takes a lot of gumption to make up false IRS income documents and submit them to a judge. Skipping a property or two on a list is nothing compared to the tax form creation.

  7. jane says:

    I am so happy it is over, danielle might have a dark side , but who doesnot! she held her ground ,in the end takes all the credit for the way it ended!Teresa is ,i dont know what to say any more she is a text book of everything that is bad in America ,caroline is angry and bitter and looks older,that is what happens when you are full of hate and try to hide it all the time ,it is a very hard work (pretending) wears you out.Caroline now has to find something else to feel her empty nest.Jaclaurita, hope she remains true to her heart.Dont blame kimg,for acting the way she is,i dont think she knows better .Anyways thank you Lean, you did an awesome job.Wish all the NJ ladies the best.

    • MAMAZ says:

      Well if you are willing to forgive Danielle for her dark side and say that Kim G doesn’t know any better than why not forgive the rest of them. Maybe Jac and Caroline just have a dark side and Teresa doesn’t know any better.
      They are all crude, ill mannered, loud, crass and loathsome.

  8. bohochickn says:

    Great blog, as always!!

    Glad I’m not the only one who was bored to tears…and Kim G grates on my nerves worse than the time before. I think it’s HIGHlarious she isn’t coming on next season.

    But now I’m seeing articles on the interwebs that say that Teresa isn’t coming back, either??

  9. WindyCityWondering says:

    As expected the reunion was boring -and I call bullshit on Bravo!
    No one walked away from the show forever. No one was grilled or made to answer the hard questions except Danielle. Caroline should have been told she wasn’t the moderator and to zip it so Danielle could answer (remember Andy you did that on RHONY!?) questions or ask some of her own. Her lazer eyes and body language were over the top – drama queen much? Because Jacq took the high road I am sure she is in the dog house with Caroline once again. This also explains all the recent trips with Teresa and not Jacq….
    BUT I did love that ending – only because it showed who really wanted the feud, was holding a grudge, couldn’t forgive, forget and move on – Caroline you are a spiteful, pretentious clown! Take a big wiff – the garbage you smell is you!

  10. Scorpiosue1102 says:

    Completely anti-climatic. It was so contrived, annoying and boring. Amazing how that can happen in only one hour. Caroline had her feet dug in and was not going to change her mind or listen to anything. Teresa makes herself look more stupid everyday. Jacqueline may have found a bit of a back bone, but that remains to be seen. Kim G. is just worthless. She made herself look bad in almost every scene. And Danielle…..*sigh* Danielle was pretty brilliant by doing the whole round of “I’m sorry”. I just don’t believe her. Pretty smart though.

    The whole conversation about the other “f” word concerning Teresa. I am sure that Kim G. lit up the phone lines in Franklin Lakes and it was known by the half the town the next morning. She just seems the type to do that.

    All I can say is bring on Melissa Gorga and couple new Housewives because this season sure was some slim pickings.

  11. Earring Girl says:


    RT @Bravotv Bravotv.com EXCLUSIVE: Which Real Housewife of New Jersey “leaves forever”? Find out: http://bravo.ly/bmp0v2 #rhonj
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    • LynnNChicago says:

      I guess not everyone actually reads the blog LOL

      • Snarkella says:

        I do Lynn but you have to admit, you pack so much information in sometimes it’s hard to remember it all. All credit is due to you for doing such a thorough job, just saying that my poor little brain can’t take it all in sometimes.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:


      • that’s funny Lynn. BTW i thought your interview went very well, an, honestly, i wouldnt be surprised if you start getting invited to the talk show circuit! who would be surprised if you ended up on WWHL w/ Andy Cohen? i dont think anyone would. then wendy, then Ellen!
        something to look forward to!

  12. Night Light says:

    I am glad Danielle is not returning. It was no longer a train wreck that I enjoyed watching; all I could think of is her daughters. I would like to say that I know person like Danielle and she also has the daughter I always wanted in every respect and let me tell you it has NOTHING to do with the mother. If anything this poor girl learned to do the exact oposite. I despise Danielle for exposing her daughters to this. Its not bad enough they have to live it now the whole world knows for a FACT what kind of mother they have. The rest of the cast except Caroline in my eyes are disgusting but Danielle is a special kind of breed that makes me think of what Bethenny must of gone through. Caroline now needs to let it go move on. Caroline’s fight with Danielle should of centered around her son and the Brownstone period. She should of stayed out of the rest. Hang around garbage you start to smell like it–Caroline you started to stink!
    I know this will be lost in translation but for my Latin friends: Danielle es un mosca muerta que te pica por la espalda y esconde la mano.

    • Anitabee says:

      Literal translation:

      Danielle is a mosquito that bites you in the back and then hides her hand.

      Very fitting in deed.

    • TrueLifeDiva says:

      My mouth was hanging open with her thinking her daughters are cocooned in a bubble and don’t REALLY know about her sex tapes. But then she got all indignant about Caroline saying they had no light in their eyes. Makes me think she records the shows and creates an edited version of only the nasty comments about her (I admit there is a lot) and shows it to her girls so show them how much she is a victim. How do they know what about show gossip but not sex tape. Does she think she can control what her 16yr old sees and hears? For real?

  13. Earring Girl says:

    What a sad “second tier little goat rodeo show” that was was last night. 🙂

  14. Olivia says:

    Bravo is covering for Teresa big time. They showed clips of Danielle, Trashley, even Kim G but they withheld the ones featuring Teresa racing through stores grabbing everything in sight when it has been revealed that she was unable to afford those “shop til you drop” escapades.

    I remember scenes in the furniture store where she was screaming “I want that, and that, and that and that” then paying cash for 120,000 worth of junk. I also remember her bragging that she took the girls shopping “once or twice a week, sometimes more” as the cameras drooled over her excesses. There was another scene showing her making a call to the contractor changing her scrolled gates to another more expensive purchase yet not one question from Andy asking her to explain this montage of excess when the creditors were lining up for payment.

    I loathe Danielle but it was clear that most of the questions were directly aimed at her and her lies while Teresa sat their gloating and snickering at the answers. One sided to be sure.

  15. Kip says:

    I totally share your thoughts, especially on Caroline last night. I was telling my girlfriend that I seriously had the biggest headache from Caroline talking and wanted someone to tell her to shut up. She did get herself involved in a ton of things that had nothing to do with her. I’ve decided that she might be the REAL troublemaker here.
    I wondered about those “other” lawsuits too??
    Kim G- could you be more classless? Seriously.
    Teresa definitely needs anger management classes also.
    I was thinking Jacqu was going to say that she wasn’t coming back, anyone else?
    I tweeted Andy that I thought he did a really bad job on being the moderator. The man should have taken control so many times but didn’t. I think he’s basically very weak.
    Overall, boring hour. I want my money back!

    • Snarkella says:

      I thought the same thing about Caroline. I had read comments throughout the season referring to her as a bully, but I never really got it until last night. It was kind of eye opening to see just how bitter and harsh she was. I don’t know why I never saw it before — maybe I was sleeping through most of it.

      The thing is, when you really want peace you don’t go about it Caroline’s way. You do what Jac did. You say, “We’re not friends anymore. We never will be. But I don’t want to attack you anymore. I don’t want to hurt you. I wish you well.” And then you let it go.

      Caroline is more stupid than I thought if she truly thinks you get someone out of your life by talking down to them and calling them names. That’s called stirring the pot Caroline, not making peace!

  16. 2Stupid says:

    Sorry if this has already been posted. W/out RHNJ her 15 minutes will expire.


  17. jean says:

    I just wanted to get a dig into jill and kelly since i know their paid pr people seem to be reading us. If they are so fabulous and awesome, authentic and real, why is it that nation television new shows such as today, view and regis etc, as well as national publications are not doing any interviews and articles on any housewife other that bethany? Kelly posts mindless garbage all day long and post ucky bikini photos of herself and as usual by herself. compare that ugly bikini shot a few days ago to bethany and there is your answer. jill spends her tweet day trying to commuicate with higher ranking non celebs and even they dont acknowledge her existance. i hate jill zarin, kelly and carolyn manzo, the puffy faced wannabe mafia queen.

  18. MickeyMouth says:

    I stopped watching RHONJ before the benefit for the sick child. I watched the reunion shows because I was promised the most besteset, awesomest, greatest, fantastical show on earth with someone leaving for good. They lied.

    • Anitabee says:

      Don’t they always though?

      At the RHONY reunion I thought we would see Andy stand up to Kelly and tell her she is mentally sick. I thought we would see Andy take on Jill and have her answer to Amazongate.

      I think Andy is a warlock and somehow bespelled us into watching these shows.

      I am looking forward to the RHOA. Looks good.

  19. Go To Sleep says:

    Oh wow, your bias is SO evident in your blogs it’s getting tiresome. Danielle is not better than the other ladies and if she is able to dish it out in her talking heads and blogs, then she should expect that the rest of the family/friends will all attack her at once. If she doesn’t like for everyone to gang up on her, then she has the right to leave the show since she clearly knows that it is her against the family. I feel no sympathy for any of them.
    Andy grilled T JUST as hard last year at the reunion about Joe’s gay comment.

    • emt2 says:

      I think that Danielle bashing is tiresome, actually.

      For most of the season, we all bashed Danielle and didn’t really pay attention to what the other ladies were doing. Now it’s clear that criticism should be paid to all the ladies for their bad behaviors. You can still dislike Danielle and admit that the reunion was a bully fest against Danielle. You can still dislike Danielle and admit that Andy is not impartial and is a hypocrite. You can still dislike Danielle and admit that Caroline is a self-important bitch.

      Why do people get their panties in a bunch whenever someone doesn’t say something critical of Danielle? It’s like bringing sand to the beach. Danielle shouldn’t have to leave the show because of being bullied. That’s not fair.

      In any event, Andy is a piece of shit and I have zero respect for him. He is absolutely disgusting.

      • babelony says:

        emt2 you just said everything I was thinking much better than I ever could. TY

      • nathania says:

        okay, I just read somewhere a comment attributed to Andy Cohen, saying of Danielle, “she’s too litigious”

        but I can’t remember where I saw it. That more than anything else explains why he would let his cash cow go…and he has to know she’s the reason people watch this show. Because apparently he’s afraid of getting sued for, what, something like negligence or reckless endangerment or something like that. Which, really, he should be, for not tossing Terroresa off the show after the table flip, the country club, or the face-screaming at the reunion. If I were Danielle and I hadn’t sued her by now, I certainly would. In my state the face-screaming is assault, period. Touching would have added battery. Danielle might even have some grounds for harassment by now (until the hug of stupidity, that is).

    • Had Enough! says:

      Who is the “you” that you are accusing of bias? There is no agreement here about Danielle or anything else. Suggest you spend some time reading back a few days or weeks and you will see that for every issue, there are dozens of opinions of every shade of gray. In fact, for every 2 of us, there are probably 22 different opinions!

    • Snarkella says:

      Can’t you give your opinion without calling another person biased? We’re all biased.

    • I believe that many here, myself included, have not excused Danielle for the actions we’ve seen on screen (ie, proof) but we have voiced disgust at the incessant bullying of Danielle that the Manzo Mafia was allowed to get away with on the show & at the reunion. At this point, there is *NO* evidence that Danielle has done anything to the Manzo Mafia, despite repeated allegations that she’s threatened them, stalked them, twittered & FB’d about them. The Manzo Mafia is “tick as tieves” with local law enforcement & apparently the judiciary, so it stands to reason that if they had actual evidence of all these things, they’d have pressed charges, filed for a restraining order, etc. They haven’t done any of that.

      • nathania says:

        I watched the ‘big fat fabulous wedding’ thing of dina’s marriage to tony, and they were oh so happy to brag about all the blood money they were shelling out. it was an interesting scene watching albert tally up something like a hundred and fifty grand for the 6 bands they hired. They are so proud of their ill-gotten gains. No shame. I knew dina was a phony on the episode where she brags that Tommy probably wouldn’t spend ‘over 3.5 million’ for a house, or whatever. There isn’t very much spirtuality or ‘zen’ in that dirty mafia dough.

    • Zoey says:

      Lynn’s opinion is biased? You’re kidding??

  20. plainviewsue says:

    Believe it or not, I actually “enjoyed” the reunion last night. As a long time Danielle hater, I truly feel she came off better then anyone else! I hated what she did at the Brownstone, but dirty Teresa definitely egged her on the night of the fashion show. Ashley is disgusting. I agree with you Lynn. They should have shown more of Ashley’s antics, rather than just Jacqueline disciplining.

    Caroline came off the absolute worst. I would love to ask her if she has any friends. She is so judgemental. Kim G is more trash. I thought it was funny that the mutual hatred of Kim G was shared by all except J!

    The D/J hug was definitely creepy. Does anyone know what the aftermath of all that was? Is J on the outs with the family?

    Great blog as always. Bring on Melissa!!

  21. Sue says:

    From Caroline’s perspective, I think that without the feud, none of the women are dependent on Caroline and she becomes more of an equal than a leader.

    Her power is derived from trashing outsiders and ‘protecting’ insiders. Her kids are grown and don’t need her — and don’t pay attention to her — the way younger kids would, so she found a substitute for that by being needed by the other women in their fights with Danielle.

    She’s really full of it. Always has been.

    Interesting to see how she distances herself from Teresa. She won’t defend mortgage fraud, tax fraud, bankruptcy fraud and tax evasion – far too difficult, plus Teresa isn’t worth it to her. Besides, she has that image to protect.

    Teresa’s fraud charges and the public backlash may scuttle her next book if the publisher finds that fans and the general public have a strong negative reaction to her. That means that whatever book advance she may have planned to hide won’t be coming her way as her fan base turns on her.

  22. Shari says:

    I don’t dislike Danielle. I’m usually pretty good at figuring people out and my feelings on her are that she has never had anyone who has ever really cared about her, so when someone finally does, she does things to push them away, not realizing what she’s doing. It a way of protecting herself from being hurt.

    I’d take her under my wing and show he what a true friend really is. Maybe then she would know that some people can be trusted.

    • KirksvilleMo says:

      What a truly lovely person you must be!
      You are very wise and empathetic.It took me a long time to realise I ruined relationships by doing everything I could to make the person not love me knowing they were going to leave me sooner or later.By me pushing them away I was more in control of when they left.
      I have tried repeatedly to defend Danielle on the Bravo boards without much success and you were able to give insight to her with a few sentences.
      Thank you.

      • Ione says:

        I agree a lot with both of your assessments. I’ve been in the same situation, grew up in abuse and it has taken me a long time to trust and not to push people away. It is an ongoing process and not something that comes easily to abused individuals. I hope Lori, Danielle’s friend, is able to give her unconditional love and support and help her overcome her past.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      That’s sweet, just don’t offer for your husband to drive her home 🙂

    • Perjury, Fraud, & Lies says:

      I hate making excuses for Danielle.
      But I do believe she is wounded.
      She has boundary and intimacy issues with all the adults in her life.
      She is so manipulative and attention seeking it is hard to like her.
      I know adults that survived abuse and putting the worst foot forward during a first impression is common. Life is unusually hard for some. Dropping self defeating behaviors is a first step and I wish Danielle would master it.

  23. Olivia says:

    Looks like my “obsession” with both NYC and NJ is over. DC is just a huge bore and I have no desire to sit through OC, Atlanta or the BH franchises which just offer more of the same with only a variation in the casting.

    Admittedly I am far too analytical and opinionated to continue to watch programs that are wholly sexist and full of contrived scenes meant to lure us into manufactured “reality”. As the “resident curmudgeon”, I just don’t buy any of it. I find that I am much too interested in the presence of the camera and have come to doubt much of the genuineness of these “storylines”.

    But it has been fun to come here and I apologize for any antagonism my comments may have produced. For me, Bravo has reached an all time low in its presentations of women and I seriously question the women who readily agree to this representation by taking part in it. They do not reflect my views on feminism, or civility for that matter, nor do I see much to admire about most of them.

    Thanks to Lynn for providing a forum and permitting us to express our views without censure. It has been a blast!

    • Had Enough! says:

      Will miss you, Olivia. Please visit from time-to-time.

    • Anitabee says:

      Olivia – I will miss you. I love opinionated women. We Rock!

    • Adgirl says:

      Hey, Olivia,
      I’m an over analyzer too. If you haven’t watched Mad Men run over to the netflix site and catch up. It’s perfect for discussions.
      I’m hoping that RHNY is interesting this upcoming season. At least the cast have IQs over 22. Except Big Bird, but she adds unintended humor.
      I only come here to read Lynn’s fab commentary and the excellent posts.
      I am done with NJ, OC and ATL.

      Please continue to come back, I’ve enjoyed your comments.

    • Yasmeen says:

      Well, the truth about life is that most people dont evolve past 16. That’s the reality of things. We can dress up, go to work, and take care of children, but when it comes to interacting with people, it can be very juvenile. Although at times the producers set people together to interact, that clearly do NOT get along, its amazing they can’t work it out. I find that fascinating that grown adults, that claim to be so fabulous and having it altogether are just a complete mess. For you to think you are above it, LOL. I think, we enjoy drama, but it also helps us to become better communicators and see ourselves. I’ve been in situations like this, where it could have been handled more maturely, but it wasn’t. Someone is either threatened, lying, or putting up a facade. Sadly, most of us don’t grow out of that. But the show focuses on people’s weaknesses, and never those other moments that redeem us as people. That’s the sad part of the show, and I understand the disgust. If you focus on the ugliest parts of a person’s personality, its very hard to switch off that button. I get angry at the Teresa situation, BUT I truly just want to see the moment of epiphany where she will catch a clue. It would be nice if she was like, “I really need to get help and stop what I’m doing. I’m making a fool of myself. If I stop spending so much money,” or “I looked like a fool chasing Danielle,” I’d gain some respect. But no, but to watch, and no one’s evolving is what is hard to watch. Scripted shows, the people develop and become better people. I don’t know if this happens on reality shows. That may actually be the death of the housewives franchise. The closest we came to this, though, was when Tamra, finally owned up to her husband being an a-hole and that it wasn’t so good financially. I liked her better, not because she was miserable, but she was able to see that the cause of her misery came from covering up for her husband and lying about her finances. Hint, Teresa.

      • flippy says:

        I have commented before about your insightful thoughts, Yasmeen, and I think you are exactly right! We keep watching because we’re waiting on “that moment” and, unfortunately, we’re still waiting. I had a judge I practice before recently say, “We’ve got to get better because if we don’t we’re only going to get worse.” I’m pretty sure that if these women truly did acknowledge their shortcomings, the folks here would embrace them and offer up their support. Sadly we don’t see this acknowledgment from any of them (or very few) which leads to our frustration and need to “vent”.

      • Olivia– I admire your integrity, and fortitude. Unfortunately, you are exactly the kind-of person that we need to monitor what’s being dramatically delivered by Bravo.
        Do you think that Bravo is sad to see someone like yourself dismiss them? NO!
        My grandmother used to have a saying, I can’t quite remember it, but she would say that someone was “seeing with slanted eyes”, meaning that they were looking-at a situation from a particular viewpoint and drawing conclusions based-on prejudices.
        Olivia-we need you. We need your curmudgeonly opinion. And if you have to say that you didn’t want to watch it, but that you were dragged, forced, kicking & screaming…, please consider this request, as such.
        I know how it feels to want to say, “they can have it”, “its ridiculous”, “no one believes this, or takes it seriously”…but Olivia, THEY DO!
        Don’t you remember the guest-blogger who reported on the young girls at Teresa’s book-signing? The teen-agers who sported Ooompa-Loompa tans, and idolized Teresa, and wanted to be just like her?
        THEY need you.
        Are you just going to walk-away and allow the likes of Teresa to influence the next generation of wives and mothers, and women?
        If you can live with yourself, and do that, (ok-now I’m really laying it on thick, but you KNOW that it really is that important), than peace be with you Olivia, but someone needs to be the mean old Caroline on the couch, looking-at things with slanted-eyes, and no one does that better than you.
        Please, please reconsider.

    • boston02127 says:

      Olivia–Give the RHOBH a shot. 🙂

    • JazzNightOut says:

      “Resident curmudgeon,” I hope you will come back now and then. I always, always look forward to what you have to say. You are thoughtful and intelligent, and I respect the stances you take on feminism and civility.

    • TEB says:

      Olivia- I have always found your comments to be spot on.

      • dreemz says:

        Please don’t leave Olivia! I always look forward to what you have to say, I wish I could express my thoughts like you do…I’m trying to learn from you!

        Quincy, I enjoy you very much and look forward to your comments as well! Please stick around?

        • dumberries says:

          Me too – very much look forward to what Quincy and Olivia have to say, and also some of their classic snarks just cracked me up. Hope they will join in again soon!!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Please don’t go

  24. tvbrat says:

    I thought ‘sleeping on it’ would change my mind, but I don’t feel any different this morning than I did last night.

    They’re all liars and I’ll never believe a single thing they say or do again. They must also think their audience is stupid, ready to fall for that little charade at the end. I would have stayed in there except for those last five minutes. Reality my ass.

    As for Danielle’s edit. Can you imagine being the camera crew or producers that had to be around that level of crazy for such an extended period of time? In every one of her talking heads, all I could think was how badly I felt for person interviewing her.

    I like Caroline, but I realize I’m in the minority.

    As an aside, newer members of TWOP may not know that they close high traffic threads when they expect the number of posters and viewers to sharply increase. The RHONY was closed during a peak, if you remember and I’m sure the numbers for the RHONJ were expected to skyrocket with the second part of the reunion. Hence, the ‘closed for the weekend’ message.

    • Sha2000 says:

      I liked Caroline best last night too. I think she’s had enough of being associated with a bunch of people that can’t seem to behave like adults too.

    • Had Enough! says:

      You could be right, but my experience is that Strega closes the board when she’s got PMS. Reading PMS as “pre-menstrual AND post-menstrual.” This petty bitch has PMS pretty much every day of the month. Guess she doesn’t make much spaghetti sauce.

      Seriously, she freaks out whenever someone has the audacity to talk about the real lives of women on a reality TV show as though there is some bright line between what they do on TV and what they do when the cameras are off. She started out by recapping scifi and scripted (really scripted) shows and can’t see how reality shows differ from that kind of thing. She can’t get it through her tiny brain that if JillZee talks about THEBOOKTHEBOOKTHEBOOK on air until we all want her to take the book and put it where the sun don’t shine, then it is still part of THEBOOKTHEBOOKTHEBOOK story when JillZee writes fake favorable reviews on Amazon, gets her friends and family to do so, trashes the books that Bethenny and Alex published, and threatens the pet of an Amazon reviewer. She can’t fathom how if Mrs. Juicy Gorilla and Danielle have a screaming match on camera about the mausoleum being foreclosed on then it is still part of that story when people want to write about what is available in the public records pertaining to that issue.

      But I could be wrong.

      • Blue Sky says:

        That comment about PMS (pre-menstrual syndrome) cracked me up. I have a sister that we used to joke had “constant PMS” because she was always in a bad mood !

      • tvbrat says:

        yeah, I know. The traffic thing definitely has a hand in some of it thought.

        I think she’s in charge of too many shows. I post (under a different name) in some of the really small threads like Whale Wars. The subjects can veer off topic dramatically, but as long as no one reports that on the troll patrol, she stays away.

        I don’t know how it stays so popular, but for me I like the forum format and hate blogging format. No offense at all meant to Lynn, but trying to read this format is headache inducing.

      • TrueLifeDiva says:

        My own experience with Strega still has me shaking my head. The board was all abuzz over Kim Z. getting out of a car in a mini skirt with no panties. I replied to someones post and Strega shut me down for three days. She reprimanded me saying, “Your bitchy, know-it-all attitude will get you nowhere in life and you will never have any friends.” I kid you not!!! She later changed her mind about the suspension and flat out banned me. Idiot.

    • Adgirl says:

      But didn’t TWOP close NY because the moderator got mad about the supposedly off topic comments? (Such as JZ threatening to sue TWOP/Bravo for allowing Amazongate comments.)

      BTW how can comments about reality figures and their on/off screen behavior be off topic. That cracked me up about TWOP.

      • tvbrat says:

        It is. You can be booted for using netspeak and poor grammar.

        You can be booted for mentioning yourself or your own site, even if you have something completely relevant to say. For example, I spent time on the set of a popular show but I didn’t dare mention any of that there.

        It is what is is.

    • dancekrazy says:

      I love this blog as we all have our own opinions and views. I happen to agree that Danielle is no damn good. Remember last year’s reunion when she cried and told us all how abused she was and was basically excused for her behavior? Remember how she said, last year, when asked about being a nymphomaniac, “……well, I guess I’ve proven that a little bit” (her own words stated with coy pride). This season she begins seeing a priest to learn to pray for women who’ve wronged her, yet two scenes later is ready to go to Caroline’s fund-raiser and make a scene (the sherrif’s dinner)…..her daughters had to talk her out of it…..ages 15 and 12! She continually places her daughters in emotional jeopardy. MY MOTHER SAYS SHE’S A NYMPHOMANIAC???? IS SHE COMPLETELY NUTS?
      You know, this entire season I have never heard Danielle tell her daughters that she loves them, however continually asks them if they love her. She sucks those kids dry. Now two sex tapes out? How does a mom place herself in such a situation …..TWICE??

      Love, love, love this blog…….yes, I do!

  25. Had Enough! says:

    Popeater Rob-whatsisface liar liar pants on fire:

    Exclusive: Over the weekend, PopEater broke the staggering new report that Teresa Giudice and her husband, Joe, stand accused of fraud, after allegedly hiding over $250,000 when filing for bankruptcy. Now, sources close to Teresa tell me the ‘Real Housewife’ is terrified about what will happen next.

    No. On THURSDAY, LynnNChicago’s blog broke it. He’s not a big enough dude to admit it.

    Not that he has any credibility now, but he goes on to say:

    “It’s going to be a s**t storm when the truth comes out and Bravo is going to be filming the fallout,” a friend of Teresa’s tells me. “I feel so bad for her and honestly believe she had no idea what was going on, but she must know now.”

    Camera crews will be following Teresa and her family around for the next season of ‘Housewives,’ and she believes everything she says could be used against her in court.

    The reality star’s friend tells me she would rather drop out of the show altogether than end up in prison because of something she lets slip on TV. The poor thing is terrified.

    Yes indeed you “poor thing” – anything you say can be used against you, but it is a little bit late now. Dumbo.

    What total BS. She had no idea what was going on. Did she or did she not sign not one but THREE schedules that omitted her Fab”a”licious business? Did she or did she not sign not one but THREE schedules that omitted her book contract?

    • Need a Hobby says:

      LOL Popeater “breaks” a story by linking to a blog that was the first to have the court document? That’s not breaking a story, that’s piggybacking on someone else who got it first and then trying to take credit for it.

      A “friend” of T’s says there will be a shitstorm when the “truth” comes out? Is the friend suggesting that T & J did something untoward in their bankruptcy filings? Some friend. Too late for T to worry about what can and will be used against her in court….they’ve already done what will be the basis for any “problems” arising from the bankruptcy. I can believe, though, that she doesn’t want Bravo around filming when the bankruptcy shit hits the fan.

      • Sha2000 says:

        “No. On THURSDAY, LynnNChicago’s blog broke it. He’s not a big enough dude to admit it. ”

        That’s because he’s selling advertising & wants to keep raking it $$$ in. By claiming HE is a credible source HE can get more hits & more hits equals more $$$ selling banners. Is it wrong? YES.
        Lynn we’ve owned a technical based site for 12 years & have sold banners, because we have the traffic to do so. So do you & I’ve wonder for a while why you don’t? No that I want to be hit w/more advertising than I already am on the internet, but why not? You obviously work hard at this blog & deserve it! If you do…Just PLEASE no pop-ups, sound or annoying ads, just a few banners.

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          I’ve actually wondered about that too. This could be a wonderful platform to build a business.

          You have like minded people here, and obviously you (meaning Lynn) have become enough of an opinion leader that IMO Bravo ie: NBC is monitoring this board to read the “pulse” of their audience.

          If you choose carefully choose sponsors that don’t interfere with your editorial content (no advertising Skinny Girl Margueritas-dammit!) it could perhaps enhance this board.

          More Money=More Opportunities

        • Blue Sky says:

          Lynn, I’ve wondered too why you don’t do more advertising. With all the traffic here, makes sense! We wouldn’t mind you making some $ from your blogging. Go for it!

  26. boston02127 says:

    Lynn–Thanks for the new blog. 5 stars as usual! All we need now is head bleach to wash NJ out of our minds. Can’t wait for the RHOBH.

  27. kimGwearsgrannydiapers.com
    Lynn or Hello- anyone home? Not all of us were brave like you all so could you please elaborate on what kim G. and Teresa argued about? Also, did Andy allow Granny kim to talk to Danielle like that? What made her say that? Other than her trying to look cool? Was it addressed at all that Caroline said at one time ” If its not broke dont fix it” meaning Kim g. trying to be friends with her meanwhile their kids have been for 15 years and they never were friends so why start now? Did Andy address kim g’s ridiculous desperate attempts? Did he address how she is a two faced hag and tried to use D to get to the other ladies circle? Sorry for the questions..

  28. MickeyMouth says:

    I have no ranking of vileness for this group. They all equally disturb me in varying ways.

  29. emt2 says:

    I woke up this morning at 4:30 because my apartment was filled with smoke. I freaked out because I thought that I had left the oven on or something. Anyway, I looked out the window and saw black smoke and flames. Turns out that the building across the street was on fire! It’s still on fire and there are like 10 trucks out there.

    It’s really crazy. No one was hurt according to the news but I wonder how that building caught on fire. Crazy.

  30. kk says:

    In my view, Caroline WON! Caroline’s goal since season 1 was to get rid of Danielle, drag her down, make everyone hate her as much as she did.

    Well, Danielle is no longer on the show:
    1. She has everyone knowing her past (Caroline investigated & dug up the book),
    2. met with Danielle’s ex hubby who is suing her (another thing, he admitted to doing coke, beating, & raping her but is upset with D’s version of it because it makes him look bad. WTH, you beat & rape a woman on coke does it rather matter if it’s on glass or not–Ya still admitted you did it)
    3. physically attacked-T & Ashley hair pull stunt
    4. Have your friend Jac dump you
    5. Have Dina say lies she can’t prove in court why else would the cease & desist order stand
    6. Called every name in the book

    Danielle is no prize and probably a little bi-polar IMO and NOT someone I’d hang out with (too much baggage & sex for me) but Caroline won. She’s off the show. America hates Danielle, D’s daughters are humiliated and crying at school, probably couldn’t find a job if she tried, she’s ruined.

    Very Machiavellian of you Caroline. Was puppet master a Freudian slip?

    They all make me sick, D included–Please no more sex tapes–PLEASE. T wants to physically fight, Caroline was set to destroy and destroy she did. I am never watching RHONJ again.

    I’m sure none of you agree with me and probably run me off the board, but No one was an angel at that show. I’ve never seen such sickness in my life, from all of the NJ crew. I’m sickened by the vengeful-ness, hate, revenge all for what…. fame? All consuming hatred? Vanity? Pride? Or greed?

    Maybe I’m wrong…

    • boston02127 says:

      @kk–I agree with you, Caroline got what she wanted. But the good part is that she came out looking just as bad Danielle. Maybe not as vile as Danielle, but pretty bad. She showed her true colors. I have zero respect for her.

      • Sha2000 says:

        “As expected the reunion was boring -and I call bullshit on Bravo!”

        Agree 100% Windy!

        Yes their were tears in Danielle’s eyes but something didn’t feel right; in fact besides not feeling completely genuine, I had that feeling (again) that D is not a well woman. I think she was so damaged in her past that it’s still effecting her today emotionally; whether it’s reflected in her anger or in something like an apology. It’s sad. I think that Caroline was coming from a place of witnessing so much anger & aggression on Danielle’s part, that shes at a point where shes thinking …you consciously did alllll this $h1T & now your sorry? Too little, too late. Caroline like her or not is cut & dry; she’s direct & stands by what SHE believes, she has no time or patience for games & Danielle is completely opposite.

        • Allison says:

          I have been reading this blog for a long time but have never posted. Always many interesting comments. Your comment pretty much summed up my take on the whole fiasco.

        • TrueLifeDiva says:

          My thoughts exactly! There was a lot of stuff off camera and even though WE can dismiss it since we don’t live it, Caroline has had to watch her loved ones go thru bullshit due to Danielle’s antics for 2-3yrs at this point. Caroline merely wants to be able to not deal with Danielle. She’s already seen several “truces” between Dina and Danielle, and Jacq and Danielle. I would be hesitant too. Caroline is not cold hearted. “Fool me once, shame one you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” Sometimes you can’t hug it out. Caroline is simply done with Danielle.

    • Sha2000 says:

      No one AT ALL was an angel on that show.

    • Blue Sky says:

      No, sadly KK you are correct. Zero heros on this show. And I agree with Boston, Caroline stinks too. Maybe Danielle will learn from this maybe not. She has had a horrible life, but has come out of it a survivor, with 2 great kids. The future is hers to either continue growing as a person & have a great life or will she continue to drop the victim card and attract garbage (Danny, Kim g etc.).? Maybe her new gay circle of friends can heal her & get her on the road to a better life.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      No you’re not wrong. And no one would run off this board unless you maybe said you loved Jill Zarin-(jk!)

      I don’t know- I truly dislike Caroline, but somehow just can’t bring myself to dislike Danielle.

      She’s a whole ‘nother brand of cray cray. Any normal person (if they got themselves in her situations in the first place) would have hugged Theresa, hugged Jacqueline, and then got back up and shook Caroline’s hand. But not our Danielle…no she had to embrace Jacqueline like it was her long lost sister (hey!…maybe?) and stroke her back as she whispered in her ear.

      Poor Jacqueline looked so uncomfortable! Danielle just cannot self edit herself and set proper boundries physically and emotionally to make people want to like her.

      I feel sorry for her. She just doesn’t get it. Being her friend would be like being a friend to a vampire, she’d slit your wrist and suck you dry.

      • Zoey says:

        Well said!

      • KirksvilleMo says:

        It is hard to set boundries when your boundries have been crossed repeatedly from an early age.The need for love and acceptance makes other people feel uncomfortable.Pretty well sucks to be abused……and to be told “it happened a long time ago,you can’t blame your past forever”.Okay.But being able to explain and be cut some slack would be nice.
        IMO Danielle hugged her so long because she knew she was likely never going to see her again or atleast not in a setting where she would be able to show Jac how deeply she feels.
        Sometimes a hug just takes as long as it takes…….

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          Good points. And you’re right of course. Danielle’s emotions are valid.

          • anniieee says:

            @kk, I agree…it was vile–any redemption these women might have had–was gone, with the filthy mouth, screaming in the face, lying and eye rolling. They all have zero class. Danielle is a sad puppy–looking for love in all the wrong places–But Caroline is a vile human being without an ounce of compassion. She tries to rule with a snark and a smile, but her insecurities about HER past, rise up as she tries to deflect attention and turn it around. She is not the brightest brick in the wall–only the oldest. Teresa–fa git abot it…lost cause. Dumb as a pet rock, and mean to boot. Jac–just simple-trying to fit in..with a few redeeming qualities..very few. In living my life, I just try to be nice–smile and think about what it would be to walk a mile in someone’s shoes. The only time I loose it, is in traffic, and no one can hear me 🙂 I’m glad it is over. I feel sorry for all of them and that’s worse than hating. Pity..huh?

            • Sha2000 says:

              Yes, a sad puppy that will growl, bite & piss on you if you don’t pay it enough attention. Sorry it’s sad yes, but it seems to me she can thrive well on negative attention, despite the fact she knows better. I wish her peace & TRUE friendship in her life, she does need it.

              Worse than sorrow (at least that encompasses empathy & compassion) is not caring; and in this case it might well translate into viewers not caring enough to watch season 3.

      • nathania says:

        that’s it in a nutshell and why I keep saying this show is like a social experiment

        Danielle can’t edit herself and gets crucified. Why? Because to most people their fear is not BEING a bad person, but LOOKING LIKE a bad person. Sociopaths are successful because they ape social mores. I truly think the Giudices are sociopaths.

        Danielle is a histrionic personality. But she does have some sort of moral code. The Manzos and Giudices seem to have no moral code at all, with them, it seems to be about constructing and maintaining the facade of appearing to have a moral code. What makes one a good person is the appearance of morality, not morality itself. Hence Dina’s immense popularity, despite the screaming signs that there are huge issues with her sham marriage evident in that vh1 tape and the contradiction between her spiritual appropriations and her money obsession.

        It’s quite bizarre and there is some code we use apparently to discern who is ‘good’ and who is ‘evil’ based on their behavior. One thing I find interesting is displays that are typically masculine, like anger from teresa and ‘toughness’ from Caroline, are seen as characteristics of ‘good people’ and emotional displays like the ones Danielle is famous for, that are more stereotypically ‘feminine’ are some of what make her a ‘bad person’. Which would all be really interesting, anthropoligically speaking, if these were not real, actual humans and the plot lines didn’t have real actual consequences. Andy Cohen doesn’t seem to grasp that last part at all.

        • Perjury, Fraud, & Lies says:

          I agree with you. I think part of Danielle’s problem is that she has used sex as a bandaid for her wounds and to manipulate men, this is not well accepted and she is labeled a whore. Plus she acts like a victim and that is a weak position to come from, people for what ever reason think less of her because of it.
          The weak get picked on.
          Only men can enjoy sex and talk and be open about it in our culture, imho.

        • Ventura Blvd says:

          Superb assessment, nathania, and I couldn’t agree more.

        • Meadow says:

          I agree – nice assessment. To me Dina is the one that people need to watch out for because she’s quite similar to Danielle, but she’s better at putting up that accepted exterior. I’m sure if you poke her she will come at you hissing like a snake. I always wondered what Jac was yelling at her about “You know what you did!” Something big there.

          I have to say that Manzo family seems to be chockful of narcissists – even the mother. Someone tweeted about the whole bunch being narcissists today and I would have to agree. If you follow all of them on Twitter you will be bombarded with “How wonderful am I/we?”

          It’s nauseating.

  31. boston02127 says:

    Lynn–I just got done listening to the radio interview. It was great. Congratulations!

  32. Earring Girl says:

    Great interview on the radio – you are very popular!

    I give it – 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  33. Earring Girl says:

    Please ignore if this has been posted:

    CupcakeMag @CarolineManzo — Genuine, Humble, & Anything but Drama! http://bit.ly/cPizS5 Check out our chat from today!
    about 1 hour ago via web
    Retweeted by CarolineManzo

  34. Blue Sky says:

    Either we have all been played, or there is a sliver of truth in the reunion part 2…time will tell if Danielle’s hugs were from the heart. She’s not saying anything at all on twitter…does anyone have any info on what Danielle is up to now?

    Could Caroline be a bigger bitch? Poor Jacq, now we see the horror of being a SIL to Caroline. I do believe Jacq had a moment of clarity, where she realized, how disgusting is it to gang up on hating Danielle. So she went against Caroline, who for whatever reason will never allow “garbage” into her family circle. You know what, Danielle is lucky to be excluded! I used to like Caroline, but why can’t she be the better person, wish Danielle well, and just let it go? Nope, never, won’t ever happen. We have seen the real Caroline, and she is not a nice person. You can’t hide your true personality on these shows…eventually it shines (or oozes, like garbage) out.

    Maybe Jacq revealed to Danielle all the slights she has suffered from Caroline. That could explain their bond, why they were close in season 1.

    Best moment is when yucky Kim G still wants to go out to lunch with Caroline, and C says “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it?” So no Kim G, no lunch with la donna mafiosa.

    Ahh, Teresa. Yes I do believe she signed whatever document, did not read (let’s face it, she wouldn’t have understood them anyway) any of them, and just basically has a spending problem. However she did know that they were bankrupt, and she did hide assets…she did spend like an idiot (all taped by Bravo) and she is despicable. So what now? She’s terrified to tape another season, because she might reveal more stuff & get juicy in even more trouble? Yes she should be scared! And I do hope she does season 3 because it is just such poetic justice seeing her pay for their crimes. Maybe we will even get to see T visit juicy in the slammer. One can dream…!

    • kk says:

      By Jac & Danielle agreeing to stop making the fight continue it has saved Ashley from further trouble or involvement in it. If Ashley is doing all this to fit in or defend her mother she has nothing left to defend & will not be in trouble with law anymore. I think it was a brilliant move on Jac’s part, whether or not she did it for Ashley at that moment or not i don’t know, but that will be the outcome.

      I’d eat crow & bury the hatchet for my kid.

      Being Caroline’s sister in law must suck for Jac, BUT can you imagine Caroline being your future Mother in Law: investigated to if your good enough to marry in the family and forget having a career & kids–she’d frown on that.

      Yes, IMO Caroline is as bad as Danielle just in a different way. Danielle lies, is overly sexual, and I think bi-polar, but she’s self destructive. Caroline is destructive to others, hateful, and unforgiving. Caroline destroys outwardly.

      • KirksvilleMo says:

        I would say hurting others is much worse than hurting yourself.When hurting others you are mean and calculatingPeople who hurt themselves do so because they are wounded and ill.Caroline has had the advantage of a stable upbringing with two parents and all those brothers and sisters and a long term marriage.She has every reason to be happy and caring and kind and generous.But no,she has to pile misery on an individual who she recognises and admits is ILL.
        Make no mistake,Danielle is ill but Caroline is a monster!

      • Jen says:

        But don’t you think Ashley will just continue with harassing Danielle on her own?

        Also this explains why Ashley said she wasn’t talking to her mom after reunion because mom forgave Danielle and obvious Jacqueline or someone told her that b/c she wasn’t there- not even behind scenes because she tweeted she would have hit Danielle if she was there

  35. Anitabee says:

    This is what I don’t like about how Andy Cohen does these RH shows.

    Ok – you fired Danielle. Why? Unless he comes out and tell us which he won’t since he never does all we will have is endless speculation by bloggers and blog and us posters.

    It sucks. This is not fair to the fans of these shows.

    I mean Danielle had to have done something pretty awful for Bravo to dump her. I don’t see them getting rid of her to make way for Melissa Gorga.

    One last thing (ha, for now) why didn’t Caroline leave the show when Dina did? Where is her thicker than thieves mentality when Dina needed her to show some solidarity?

    Hey if my and my sis were on a show like that and Danielle went after her or I like that, you bet your booty we would BOTH be outta there.

    • bravofanfromday1 says:

      I know – that is kind of weird.

    • kk says:

      I think Danielle left on her own, the price is too high. I’d leave if I knew the only story line is to be physically attacked season after season.

      • Ellabean says:

        I still suspect it was Danielle’s graphic XXX sex tapes going public. Pushed sponsors & and the descision maker suits at Bravo over the edge.

  36. bravofanfromday1 says:

    From all the tweets and leaks about the reunion I was pretty sure that dolt Ashley would actually come out and be on air in person – my biggest love of the two shows is that she was hardly covered except for that tiny portion with Jacqueline last night. I just can’t stand her.

    All in all I feel SO sorry for those little Giudice girls. My god it must be hard to be Gia and Gabriella now.

    Andy has gotten better at the reunion shows but is still so out of touch in what I believe most viewers want to see covered on reunion shows. He beats to death (or allows to be beaten to death) the boring stuff and glosses over the stuff that got people talking online.

  37. Char212 says:

    Loved your interview Lynn and I loved the picture of you & the baby. Grandchild? I love that Carly said you are the “FAMOUS” Lynn Hudson. Love it. I’m so glad I found your blog.

    I’m not a fan of Danielle’s either but imo she succeeded in making the rest of them look cold, calculating and mean. You’re right Lynn, Caroline ran the reunion not Andy. She has such a high opinion of herself and thinks she’s queen bee or something. After she shook Danielle’s hand she tweeted that in the end she has her dignity and integrity….HA!

    • Blue Sky says:

      Loved your interview too Lynn! And today’s blog was great.

      I hate Andy ! Bravo desperately needs to get a new host for the reunions, maybe Jeff Lewis – he would be a hoot.

      How gross that the kid, Ben Weiner is going to be featured on WWHL again. On previous blogs, lots of us have noted Andy’s creepy attraction to this kid. Helloooo! Ben’s mom, what are you thinking?

      • kk says:

        Where is Ben Weiner’s parents? I’d shut off Bravo and turn on the travel or national geographic channel or make him watch planet earth or wild russia or something. I would never let my son think that this show RHONJ is how women should be treated, that it is o.k. to violently hurt each other. Vomit.

      • kk says:

        YES, Jeff Lewis that would be AWESOME.

  38. Blue Sky says:

    Lynn, just had an “epiphany.” How amazing would it be if YOU did the reunion show? Hah! That would be something to watch. You would not allow Caroline to hijack the show, like Andy did. All our questions would get asked, and maybe even answered.

    And thank you to WSM for his contribution to your blog. Very informative!

  39. Char212 says:

    How much do you wanna bet that we won’t see any blogs from them on Bravo? I think they all are pretty surprised at the reactions they are getting from us viewers. It’s a long hard fall off of that pedestal you put yourself onto isn’t it ladies? A classic case of they can dish it out but they can’t take it.

    • boston02127 says:

      @Char212–They have been pretty quiet on twitter too.

      • KirksvilleMo says:

        Early this morning I went back 4 hours on twitter to see what people were tweeting to Caroline.It was 99.9 % in HER favor!
        I was sick to death at how easily people are fooled.It seems they believe what they are told and never question the logistics of what is actually taking place.
        These people vote and raise children of their own!Kill me now!

  40. boston02127 says:

    Caroline Manzo….The joke of NJ. You think you’re so much better than Danielle. The only diffrence between the two of you is that you (thankfully) kept your cloths on. A link for you Caroline— http://twitpic.com/2m124z I’ll leave it at that.

    Teresa–You’re beyond trashy. Shame of you for bringing four children in to your filthy world.

    Jacqueline—You’re fooling nobody. You have dirty past written all over you and you wear it well. It will come out.

    Danielle—Don’t let the door hit you in the ass. Adios.

    Ashley—What a sad pathetic life you lead. The ugly life you lead only makes you uglier to look at.

    • KirksvilleMo says:

      OMG is that Christopher in pissed pants grinning from ear to ear?Photo no longer available,can only see small pix.

  41. dumberries says:

    Good morning all. Thanks so much for the kind words on the last blog. I apologize for using the wrong wording in my last post – I don’t plan on leaving the blog. I would miss all of you way too much. The HWs could be gone tomorrow and I wouldn’t much care, I’d still come here to chat with all of you, even about an infomercial! I was just logging off for good for the evening (after saying “Goodnight” and then continuing to respond). Off to work, but again, so sorry for the poor choice of words and thanks to all of you for having me here! Looking forward to catching up later today…

  42. You can’t be serious? Do you even watch these shows? Hmm… How did Teresa know Danny called Chris the F word? Maybe Kim G told Jacqueline. These people are friends, they speak frequently. There is no conspiracy to get Danielle. She takes care of that herself. There was an issue made because Danielle claims to be something she isn’t. A gay advocate. Going to the parades is nothing more than a fun outing for her. When push comes to shove; Is she an advocate? Lets explore that idea. Her friend calls a guy a f***&^, she says nothing. She films with him after. She was bold faced lying; which is why Andy pushed the issue. If she hadn’t made a big to-do about Joe saying gaylord this would have never been made into a big deal. She won’t admit to her own sexuality. Such an advocate. Remember, likes attract likes. I can’t read the rest of your blog. You’re the worst blogger. It’s not your writing that’s the problem. It’s your perception. Your lack of compassion, empathy and integrity. I’m not sure how you get through life being such a cold hearted wench. You walk all over Teresa’s financial struggles, like it’s nothing. Like a families lives are not in turmoil. I am inclined to believe you’ve never suffered a day in your life. There is clearly something wrong with you. When this story passes, you will still be sitting here a nothing blogger. Think about that. You have to wake up with you every morning.
    I ask myself all the time; why does Bethenny follow you.
    You are a heartless bundle of negativity. Maybe she doesn’t want to be on your bad side? Or maybe she is exactly what all the negative publicity says she is. Heartless, cold, arrogant. Much life yourself. You know whats hilarious. B has almost 300 thousand followers. She follows you openly & you only have 1400. There is a reason for that.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Okay, everyone has their opinion. And Lynn allows you to post, so thank her for that. Try posting anything on the Bravo cast blogs that isn’t dripping with adulation. If you took the time to read a few more of Lynn’s blogs, and the commenters she so graciously allows to post, you might find that you like this place. On previous blogs, not everyone here agrees with every word Lynn writes, or other posters. However, they can air their disagreement with some rationale behind it and that is why people love to come to this blog. The difference is, we welcome everyone here, and I hope that you are not just a one time poster. Please explain your view, I assure you not everyone on this blog likes Danielle. In fact, most of us dislike the entire cast! But we love coming here to discuss it. : )

      • Blue Sky says:

        Maybe Chris heard, or was told what Danny called him. He may have told the rest of the familia…word does get around. Lynn called out Teresa commenting on it, that’s all.

    • Meadow says:

      Wow your writing is so familiar to me. It reminds me of a voice I heard on television recently. Short abrupt sentences – wow it’s like deja vu!

      • Blue Sky says:


      • Blue Sky says:

        Is it Caroline? Methinks she doth protest too much!

        • Meadow says:

          It just sounds so familiar, doesn’t it? It’s almost like you can hear the voice speaking when you read the words.

          Maybe it’s just me….

          • kk says:

            Now, I have Caroline’s voice in my head when I read the post.

          • ImaJillHater2 says:

            Nope – its not just you. When I read it I also thought it sounded an awful lot like Caroline.

            Hmmmm… blog-gate? (She *was* hanging around JZ lately… maybe she learned a thing or two.)

            Everyone, hang on to your cats & dogs!

            • JazzNightOut says:

              All that is missing is the ‘okay’ after every sentence.

              • Sha2000 says:

                “In fact, most of us dislike the entire cast! But we love coming here to discuss it. : )”

                Lol! Exactly!

                But no it’s not Caroline; they are asking how Teresa knew what someone said…the answer to that is Teresa watched the show!

    • kats2 says:

      This comment from you is very telling –

      “Your lack of compassion, empathy and integrity. I’m not sure how you get through life being such a cold hearted wench. You walk all over Teresa’s financial struggles, like it’s nothing. Like a families lives are not in turmoil. I am inclined to believe you’ve never suffered a day in your life.”

      I assume it’s not that you have such a kind heart yourself, but perhaps you too are having some financial issues and the cold hard facts that Lynn spells out and you can relate to are setting you off. I hope if all works out for you and wish you the best.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      If Teresa and Joe’s family is suffering it is all because of them. No one held a gun to their head and told them to get multiple mortgages on multiple houses or to have $7 million in unsecured debt. No one made Joe forge his partners name on a mortgage and pocket the money. No one made Teresa go on many shopping sprees or have excessive parties that were captured on camera. If the Giudice’s do not want people talking about their problems their first step should be not being on a reality show.

      • Blue Sky says:

        ditto! in fact triple play ditto. Well said!

      • Meadow says:

        Agreed. And how about the people that they owed money to. It wasn’t just big lenders there are contractors/suppliers and other small business owners (and their families) who are affected by the Giudice’s refusal to pay for what they purchased.

        I read where the guy who installed those big railings in the foyer is out big money that he fronted for the supplies.

        But in that world it’s all about them.

        It’s sad that Franklin Lakes might be getting a bad rap due to this show. It’s a beautiful town and these people are not representative of the people in that town.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Hmmm… wherever do I begin?

      Ok, yes Lynn watches these shows. And that is how she has an opinion. It may be different than your opinion, but she does her homework and then some.

      Danielle is a SELF PROCLAIMED gay advocate. And Lynn is technically correct, she never called anybody a homophobic term.

      Danielle justifies her lack of outrage by saying that because Chris is not gay that it is OK that Danny called him a homophobic term. Like you I am appalled at this twisted application of logic, but not by Lynn’s blog.

      Let’s look at exactly what Lynn said:

      “They began with the discussion of Danny using a gay slur at the Brownstone, the fact remains that Danny said it, not Danielle so why were they badgering her like that? Teresa didn’t take that much slack last season when she defended her own husband using a gay slur.” Ok so far I agree with Lynn.

      “Andy pushed and pushed the “f” comment until it got to the point where all three ladies are screaming at Danielle at the same time, Andy is even attacking Danielle for something that someone else said. (On a side note, I wonder if Andy wasn’t gay, if he would have really pushed that hard with the questions about that subject) Andy can certainly make this personal when as an interviewer he should remain neutral.”
      Again I agree with what Lynn said.

      Like you I am…surprised that Danielle isn’t owning up to her sexuality, but if Andy was a straight man I don’t believe he would have so intently raked Danielle over the coals. He is super sensitive to any homophobic remarks and I BTW don’t blame him one bit. BUT there does seem to be somewhat of a double standard that he slams Danielle against the wall for something one of her friends says but gives Theresa a pass for Joe. Of course, Theresa apologized and Danielle won’t, which is probably adding fuel to the fire.

      On to Theresa’s financial difficulties: sorry I can’t get my panties in a twist over this one. Theresa and Joe have lied to the federal government in order to hide assets. And done it pretty blatantly. Like you I don’t take enjoyment out of anyone else’s pain, but I can’t be outraged over her situation because she did it to herself.

      Oh and p.s. Bethanny has 300K followers because she is on TV, and is a star. She followers Lynn because Lynn has her finger on the pulse of Bethanny’s audience by allowing them a safe forum to vent their concern over the BS that Bravo feeds us weekly.

    • Little_Rhino says:

      Hi, Jonathan Cheban! Welcome to Lynn’s blog!

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        If that is really him, I hope he sticks around till RHONY starts back up again. That should be fun.

    • boston02127 says:

      @ifclocksdidntexist–Food for thought…1399 followers if you found a blog that loved Caroline mack truck Manzo.

    • CdnFillie says:

      you guys rock…. 😛

      • What I don’t understand is why you had to make personal attacks on Lynn?
        Obviously your envy is showing, and I think that Lynn could take a page from Danielle’s blog, and say, “Thank-you for obsessively hating me so much.”
        I agree that you have some dog in this fight, but I can’t figure it out. A jealous blogger?, Personal pay-back from someone Lynn annoyed? I don’t know, but its too bad that whatever valid points that you may have wished to bring to this discussion, are completely invalidated by your rude and obnoxious attack on our gracious host.
        I really don’t understand why you make your jealousy and dislike of Lynn so transparent. If this was a “me too” club, with no dissension allowed, I don’t think that Lynn would have to concern herself with monitoring the system, and constantly giving us fresh-space to gab.
        Letting us know that you come from “a place of no”, when it comes to liking Lynn is one thing, and establishing that with us is fine, but I’d really like to know why, since your obsession & jealousy of Lynn is the main point of your message.
        So, what is your problem? I’d really like to know.

    • babelony says:

      Caroline, while you’re here let me just say that you need to get fitted for a proper bra. I would do you a wonder of good.

    • Katie says:

      There is a huge difference between a family who struggles financially because of a job loss or serious illness and the giudices who lie, cheat and steal to make their very own jersey version of dollywood. But thanks for your imput:)

    • anniieee says:

      Wow–Thanks for your point of view CAROLINE. You write like you talk, leaving out the “you know and okay.” YOU talk about compassion. Who are you kidding? You don’t have an ounce of it–for anyone, except your husband and your kids. Look in the mirror… you are one sad sad depraved human being. Are your eyes rolling? Try being nice… give up on the “vendetta” (oh an Italian word) and try to become an HONEST, Law-abiding, compassionate citizen. Oh sorry–too hard for you.

    • MAMAZ says:

      Reading and posting here are not mandatory. You are of course welcome to voice your opinion but remember that you are a guest here at Lynn’s invitation. Please show her some respect or visit another site that is more to your liking.

      • Sha2000 says:

        No folks, I don’t think its Caroline…the name is:


        The S on the end is unnecessary & frankly bad grammar. Think. To solve this puzzle the question obviously is

        Who puts S’s where S’s shouldn’t be?

        • Sha2000 says:

          …BTW, anyone been to “Chanel’S” recently?

        • Sha2000 says:

          (if you click on the name you’ll see the extra S on their page)

          • OneMoreinBoston says:


          • Blue Sky says:

            I did click on ifclocksdidn’texist (by the way, then we couldn’t tell time, so does that mean you don’t want to know what time it is?) and it went to a blog page “Ifclocksdidn’texist’s Blog” so it seemed to me that this person has a blog…anyone brave enough to leave a message?

            Off topic, but you know what “Borgata” means? That’s the hotel/casino where the reunion was taped. Borgata means “our crew.” That’s what a mafia crew calls themselves – borgata. So appropriate, no for RHONJ? Ironic to me.

    • TrueLifeDiva says:

      I can’t stand Danielle, I know women like Teresa who have gone thru her situation, and I voice my opinion here on a regular basis. I don’t think Lynn preaches the Holy Gospel or anything close. She gets the conversation started and we debate aggressively about the women we love to hate. I haven’t encountered any REAL hate on this blog. 99.99% of the folks on here are cool as hell. That’s better most can say 😉 . Sit back and hang out for a while, you might change your mind.

    • dancekrazy says:

      In defense of Lynn Hudson, she is a fair and rather perceptive blogger. Note: She did not “block” your entry, nor does she anyone’s who happens to disagree with her as I did tonight.
      Lynn is not mean-spirited, rather tells it as “she” sees it…..it is, after all her blog.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      If anyone is walking through the Guidices financial struggles like they are nothing, it’s Joe and Teresa. “T wants diamonds for her anniversary but money ain’t flowing like it use to” Badda Bing. “These kids have no idea how much we spend on their birthday parties” Badda Bing. “I live in a 5 million dollar house bitch” Badda Bing.

      How many followers on twitter do you have and what is the reason for that?

      Bitter much??

  43. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Sue says:
    September 7, 2010 at 9:03 am
    From Caroline’s perspective, I think that without the feud, none of the women are dependent on Caroline and she becomes more of an equal than a leader.

    Absolutely! The feud was the only reason they would seek her advice, it was the glue that kept these women together. As the elder statesman, Carolinebacker, kept counseling the women, refusing to speak of Danielle, yet mentioning her at every meeting with them. She wanted to arrange the detante, and failed. When she didn’t get her way, she became abusive towards Danielle, showing her true, ugly colors. That these women could try to make a cease fire, without her permission, was outrageous to her. She wanted the angst to continue. Although Jac, TMAN, and Ashley were the ones interacting with Danielle, she’s the one who derives the most pleasure out of harassing Danielle. Without the hate of Danielle, where does that leave Caroline? Alone and bored in her kitchen.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      In all fairness, Carolinebacker turned Quarterback! She has lost alot of weight, and alot of fans. She didn’t become a mean girl, due to the weightloss however, she was mean while fat also. Now she is just vicious!

    • It was fake. Fake as fake could be. Period!!! Caroline was being honest. She could have fake apologised. She recognized that would look as stupid as it did. It looked fake!!! IT WAS FAKE!!!

      • Blue Sky says:

        Yes, most of us suspect the reality of this show too…time will tell if Danielle is being honest. Many posters on this blog (Olivia has posted many many times) argue that we are all being “played” that Bravo directs the cast members to up the volume of the drama & stages the interaction. One of my favorite biblical passages is “This too shall pass.”

        Ironically, there are lots of people on this blog that refuse to watch Bravo, but enjoy this blog & get the info from here. We just like to gather together and shoot the … you know, $hit.

      • Char212 says:

        She lost me when she shook Danielle’s hand. That was FAKE! She lost all credibility when she did that and then turns around and starts bashing again. What a hypocrite!

      • CdnFillie says:

        I was a huge Caroline fan, until last night. And if this is Jac (and I think it is you Ms Laurita) what I found the most fake was your bit at the end with Danielle

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        settle down Caroline, we get it

    • Karen says:

      Yes, Jacqueline succeeded where Caroline failed, so Caroline had to denigrate the whole process by calling it fake and by indirectly calling Jacqueline an idiot. I liked when Danielle told Caroline that she has a fit when Jacqueline is her own person. That is so true!

      If they turn this show into the Manzo family hour, I will not watch it. I would rather see Teresa’s family that Caroline’s.

  44. Wall St Lady says:

    Shari I feel the same way as u about Danella. Although her porn makes me sick, remember it put Hilton & Kim K on the map. Also Lindsey Lohan is building a tribute to Linda Lovelace.
    I want to befriend her too & show her she is valuable a all Gods children are & show her she is special & deserves a loyal friend.
    I probably like u always champion the underdog. I brought many a stray animal home (had to hide it cuz Mom didn’t like strays).
    I was thinking this might cause me to twitter so I could send her some compassion.

    • boston02127 says:

      @Wall St Lady–Thank Mr Wall St for the imput. 🙂

        • MAMAZ says:

          WSL & Shari – If Danielle has never had anyone who truly cared about her ask yourself why. Think of the number of people you have met in the course of your life, the number of friendships you have developed. I can’t believe Danielle hasn’t had the same number of opportunities. So why the lack of caring relationships?
          I don’t think she’s capable of recognizing genuine friendship. And I don’t think she’s capable of being a real friend. She is far too needy. Think how quickly she presumes that an aquaintance is a dear friend, Jac, Kim D, Kim G. for instance. And she demands too much from her friends. Nobody can disagree with her at all or she sees a betrayal. There may be a number of reasons why. She claims to have been sexually abused as a child. We know she has a history of substance abuse which can slow or halt emotional development. But whatever the reason you couldn’t fix her by offering her your friendship. You would be one more person that let her down or dissappointed her because she needs/wants more than is reasonable. What she needs is a mental health professional. But it’s sweet that you both want to try.

  45. Wall St Lady says:

    Some one said Jac & T were more than friends, like lovers. We saw D. Say I loved u & we had something. D quietly muttered when accused of sleeping w/married men, that “everyone
    knows I don’t sleep w/men. ”
    I think that was D’s partner back stage comforting D.
    Anyway that last embrace was too long & creepy. Notice T. Wiped D off like a diseased animal & mad an equally disgusted/amused face

    • ICk! I’ve never heard that term before but it describes it perfectly. Also I noticed that Jaq. was about one second-away from an eye-roll or fake-gag motion during the long hug. I really think that Jaq. had to fight to control herself on that one. I could almost see her thought-process. She telegraphed her insincerity just enough to let Caroline know that she was still one of the Manzos, but not quite enough for Danielle to be able to know for sure.

  46. boston02127 says:

    Caroline was able to take time out of a family BBQ to chat with us before the big finale tonight of The Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion. For those who need to be filled in – Caroline Manzo is the strong-willed fiery red head on Bravo TV’s The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Laid back and very humble – Caroline thanks all her fans and supporters for the success of the show and says “You can’t bite the hand that feeds you.” — and we couldn’t agree more!


  47. kats2 says:

    My two cents –

    -First, I think there is a good chance we are being played to a certain degree, the line between reality and acting is really blurred at this point. I think the best way to describe this is that its manufactured drama among a cast of really disturbing people, with some boring day to day minutia tossed in.

    Do I think the vile behavior and response to the manufactured drama is real? YES I’m sure in many ways it is. Look at the violence, definitely the choice of language during the heated scenes and the reaction when the control over a situation is lost – we are seeing the true colors and lack of class. This cast is more disturbing than the others because we are dealing with entire ensemble that would do ANYTHING to be famous and in that process they have thrown the few values and little integrity they had out the window. There is NO ONE in this cast that has morals or the values of a sane person.

    Dina tried to take the high road but failed when she blamed her departure on Danielle, when we know there are other things that factored into why she left. Caroline is a big talker, and you would think she wrote the book on moral integrity, but she is the biggest liar and hypocrite in this cast.

    -I think Lynn hit on something about Caroline, this show keeps the kids coming around and keeps Caroline in control of her kids and you know in Caroline’s delusional mind she thinks the Manzo’s are so fabulous they should be famous. Plus, let’s face it Lauren will do just fine (I just hope she can escape from her mother, and create her own life). But the sons (Albie and Chris) like Ashley really need this show, they need it bad! Caroline is like a boulder she’s not moving (or leaving this show anytime soon).

    -I never expected much from this cast but the one thing I was hoping for is that someone would take the high road, my surprise was that it was Danielle (the person that we are set up to hate because she is so vile, right?). After the gang bang job the other HW’s did on her all season with all the physical and verbal attacks (some of the worst language and violence on TV). Danielle is the one who apologized and actually got up to hug them! Wow that was a surprise ending and I didn’t find it creepy at all. Was it calculated, perhaps? But either way, it took a certain amount of character and courage to do it. That whole hugging scene but the nail in Caroline’s coffin for me. It totally blew her cover – All the big talk Caroline does and wanting to move on and this to end. But her actions speak volumes of who she really is. I’m happy that Jacqueline and Teresa reciprocated/accepted Danielle’s gesture.

    -The Manzo sisters lost out on a great opportunity when they both separately met with Danielle to make amends, but they just used it as another attempt to control and verbally attack Danielle.

    -Danielle Leaving – If Bravo fired Danielle it has nothing to do with how she behaved on the show, Danielle is the star of this cast and it’s because of Danielle that the record ratings happened. I think she was fired because she claimed she had nothing to do with the sex tape and that cut Bravo off at the knees of getting their portion of the profits of that sex tape.

    Bravo is all about exploiting these women and making money off whatever fame they get from the show. They are paid next to nothing. Plus, we already know that anything goes with Bravo – the law has been broken on camera several times. For Bravo this means more ratings so they don’t care at all. But let a HW neglect to give Bravo their cut of the profits and watch out – Poof they’re gone! I’m sure Lynn from the OC was fired for the very similar reasons.

    Andy always reminds all of us and the HW’s – “no one is forcing them to be on the show and they can leave at any time.” There is something twisted and sick about the Bravo employer/employee “professional” relationship. Not too different from the arrangement a Pimp has with his prostitutes.

    Happy it’s over and any additional energy on this from me will be spent writing to the shows sponsors.

    • kk says:

      EWWW…. They get sex tape profit?

      • Blue Sky says:

        Did you know that porn drives technology? VCR, internet, etc. all became popular because of porn, and yes, the $ made from porn.

        Danielle made that sex tape after doing the 1st season of NJ howives (it was filmed, then aired 1 year later. Imagine, these women kept the table flipping, and the book – Cop without a badge – all quiet, until the series aired) so she knew exactly what she was doing. The whole intent of that sex tape was to release it and bank $. Best is, she screwed Bravo out of any $ from it.

        • babelony says:

          I started watching a movie last night (A Good Woman) set in Italy. One of the characters said “ah, the Americans, went staight from babarism to dacadence without civilization in between” [pp]. Hmmm.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Bingo kats2!! Never cut Bravo out of any profits…loved your analysis! and ITA.

    • TrueLifeDiva says:

      Since when did Lynne Curtin make a profit off those cheesy cuffs?!? 🙂 . I don’t think Danielle was fired. I think she thought she could control the noteriety and didn’t like the direction the show took. She keeps talking about doing her own show about her family that she thinks people will really want to watch. Kind of kookoo like KKB if you ask me, but whatevs.

  48. cusi77 says:

    Hello Lynn! Good morning everyone!

    I went to The Vdara last night “in a mission”… I prepared a little speech in Italian (I do not speak Italian but only a few words while visiting Italy) It was s message for Dina: I follow Lynn Hudson and I consider Lynn as well to be my friend. That’s it!

    Nowhere to be found a book signing at the Vdara for Teresa Giudice! Call concierge 866-391-7111… I tried my best!

  49. boston02127 says:

    Whoever told Caroline that she looks good in the one shoulder dresses should be fired. It’s like the equivalent of seeing a serial killer wearing ruffles.

    • cusi77 says:

      Icant_ As much as I dislike Danielle, I agree with Her about BRAVO “used” her and furthermore “abused” Her! I hope she will be doing better in her singing career.

      • Sha2000 says:

        I think it was a collaboration. As foolish as Bravo can edit these women (all the HW shows) to appear, they can’t do it alone, there has to be something to work with; bottom line.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      Funny how there is nothing about if she left or if she was let go. She does say she doesn’t need them, they need here, etc. I do agree with how she said Bravo basically said that their bad behavior is ok. A spin-off???? Yeah, no thanks.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      She is absolutely right:

      “I mean, what’s left for [the other castmates]? To kill me? Bravo seems to be glorifying their behavior. And I think it’s almost like telling children to behave poorly at school, ‘It’s OK.'”

      • jen says:

        This quote makes me think that Danielle wanted out because Bravo wasn’t backing her up when she claimed it was always 4 (or 3) on 1 and was allowing the others to slam her but not defending her (we saw it on the reunion with Andy, how he had different rules for her) …..so my guess if she wanted out and Bravo was happy to give it to her…a mutual parting

  50. MickeyMouth says:

    Congratualtions to Teresa. With Danielle gone, she has just been elevated to the dog that gets kicked.

  51. Wall St Lady says:

    Kats Double Bingo

    Andy is the pimp who pimps
    The HOwives !

  52. boston02127 says:

    Albie Manzo’s tweet—–I’m getting to the stage in life where girls Ive dated are starting to get married and have kids…very strange

    Strange? Hey Albie, you’re 25! Incomplete education, no girl, no job, no home of your own. Time to grow up lil Albie. Tell mommy to find another hobby besides wiping your lazy ass.

    • kk says:

      Who’d want to marry Albie and have Caroline as a Mother in Law & Teresa trying to borrow money.

      • Katie says:

        But think of all of the free ham and tomato sauce- made by women not menstruating of course

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Caroline reminds me a lot of my MIL, who is exactly like the mother in Everyone Loves Raymond. Whatever girl marries a Manzo boy she is going to have her work cut out for her.

    • Meadow says:

      I have to point out that Albie has a Bachelor’s Degree from Forham Univ. That’s not an incomplete education. He’s the only child in that family that has one. And quite possibly could be the only person in that family that has one.

      • boston02127 says:

        @Meadow–Let me correct myself. Next time I’ll refer to him as the the real ex-law student of New Jersey. 🙂

        • Meadow says:

          LOL! I do have to say that, having gone through law school myself, I give him credit.

          He was at a highly competitive law school that is only concern is for their final bar pass rate numbers and they clean house at the first year level. He would probably have done better at another law school in the area. And I think he should give them a shot if/when he is able to.

          Having gone through that grueling process myself, I cannot imagine trying to do it with ANY form of reading problem. It was difficult enough w/o any reading issues.


          • Meadow says:

            correction that should be “concerned” not “concern”

          • Had Enough! says:

            Seton Hall is not highly competitive. Also he was on a part-time basis. Lots of people don’t make it through the first year because it is like Greek – the material taught and the way it is taught. You don’t have to have a learning disability to drown in your first year of law school. The law schools over-admit because law schools are money makers for the universities. It isn’t that they deliberately cut people to elevate the rate of grads passing the bar (they can’t; each state has both the multistate exam and its own exam and the state exams vary tremendously among states; people are known to chose to take the bar in states perceived to be “easy”). It is that they admit way too many people, thus taking students who probably don’t have what it takes for whatever reason, because they want the tuition.

            • Meadow says:

              What he at Seton Hall? I thought he was at Fordham Law.

            • Meadow says:

              Actually I do know that the schools cut people because they fear their bar rate might be affected. I was involved in the process not from the admin side but from repping students before the academic board.

              • Meadow says:

                Meant to add:
                And I have a family member who is on the admissions committee at a law school. It’s well known that they admit/cut down based on fears of the bar rate numbers.

      • Blue Sky says:

        He’s the only one on the show that went beyond high school…that explains it all!

      • Meadow says:

        And that’s “Fordham” not “Forham”

        Too much multi-tasking going on here today!

  53. Abby Someone says:

    Part 2 of the reunion was a snooze-fest. At one point towards the end they put the camera on Andy and I said out loud “oh are you still here?” He is a nice guy but utterly useless as a moderator.. and yes I talk to the television. (I think my husband can only endure this show by laughing at my reaction to it.)

    Kim is a weasel but more than that she makes Danielle seem sane. I mean she is the kind of crazy that sneaks up on you. She is smiling sweetly, sitting like a lady, then she starts talking and it’s oh my. I’m telling you her mind is gone. True, she’s loaded, but you can’t buy back your marbles. It is not without a certain amount of shame that I love her presence on the show. I keep expecting her to be wearing her bra on the outside or kiss her waiter on the mouth.

    But even Kim couldn’t save part 2 of the reunion. In fact, instead of being amusing she was like a disoriented nursing home resident. When Danielle is the voice of reason it’s time to shut it down.

    That long hug, oh the horror. It was the most disturbing television footage since the Hindenburg. I was so uncomfortable I was saying out loud. “Ok, you can let go now. You can let go now. Omg you’re in her lap, get out of her face.” Then the close up staring. Oh the humanity.

    Last week at the LAX I saw some French people pleed with the airline to hold the door because someone from their party did not get the gate change. It went on for a bit and got heated. Their friend came running to the gate and JUST made the flight. As the door closed I yelled “FIN” and everyone joined me in applause. The French guy, realising he had an audience, smiled and threw his hands up in victory like Rocky. That was more exciting than the reunion show and there were no commercial interruptions.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Awesome post! Had me LOL – ” True, she’s loaded, but you can’t buy back your marbles. ” My image of Kim g is her on that pole…’nuff said. Please post more often, you are a hoot.

    • babelony says:

      AbbySomeone Very funny! Even just reading this was more entertaining than the show.

      I just can’t get into any of this. I didn’t watch this season except for the hair pulling, and then from the trip to Italy forward. All very boring and all very unlikable woman (sp on purpose). I don’t feel anything for any of them except to say that I hope the Giudices pay for their crimes.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Thoroughly enjoyed reading this post: ‘can’t buy back your marbles’ and ‘FIN.’ You have real potential as a comedienne.

  54. Wall St Lady says:

    Let’s make some new monikers to honor T & D


  55. OneMoreinBoston says:

    Don’tF*WithTheFeds Fugazi

  56. Wall St Lady says:

    Kats after reading the above Danielle interview I think I better not take her home to love on; she may have rabies .

  57. Brigid says:

    I apologize if these have been posted already.

    Melissa Gorga twitter : http://twitter.com/Melissa_Gorga

    And what is of course probably a silly faker account but kind of funny too:

    The background photo of Melissa’s twitter – clearly that’s Teresa’s brother – amazing family resemblance:

  58. OneMoreinBoston says:

    did you guys see this from TMZ?

    Angry ‘Matchmaker’ Offered Help … From TV Rival

    9/7/2010 12:05 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

    The “Millionaire Matchmaker” who recently launched an expletive-filled tirade at her stylist just got the most ironic offer ever from her TV rival — free dating advice … and serious anger management.
    A rep for the man behind the offer — TV matchmaker and dating expert Matt Titus — tells TMZ Titus wants to help Patti Stanger get back in the dating scene … so he’s offering her a four-week dating boot camp, personality assessment and a private speed dating event … free of charge.

    we’re told Titus also wants to offer the “Milli Matchmaker” anger management classes.

    According to the rep, Matt personally guarantees that he can find Patti her next significant other — pointing out that “unlike Patti, Matt is happily married.”

    payback’s a bitch

    • Blue Sky says:

      ain’t it though!

    • boston02127 says:

      @OneMoreinBoston–Why does this homely pork chop even have a dating show? She can’t even find a date for herself never mind hold on to a man. You’d think with all the “advice” she spews about men and dating that she’d be happily married a long time ago. She needs to go away.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        I don’t know! Someone, somewhere believed in her hype and she got a show. But can’t maintain the illusion.

      • Abby Someone says:

        LOL I will never be able to look at her again without thinking of “homely pork chop” !

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        Hey Boston, that’s effing enough talking bad about pork chops! They’ve never hurt you and they are delicious! PortlyPatti is more like a turd. From turdy turd & turd street. 🙂

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I don’t know why she thinks it’s cute or hip for a 50 year old woman to say “The pecker does the picking” or “he’s looking for the bigger better deal”. Her euphemisms are totally over used- and usually crude in nature.

        She is so full of it and I don’t buy for one second that her and Caroline Manzo are old friends and that’s why she is setting the boys up. It’s a BS ratings grab.

    • felony stupid says:


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  60. felony stupid says:

    Lynn – great blog. I haven’t even watched this…it sitting patiently on my tivo. How sad that I’m not even that excited to watch it. I don’t think I even need to watch this now and quite frankly, I’m relieved. I may ff to the hugging…just to test myself, but otherwise I think I’m finally through w/this sad excuse for a group of woman (spelling an ode to Dirty D).

  61. AZ Girl says:

    Need help here. Remember Ashley tweeting that she is not talking to her mom for a week during the taping of the reunion? Is that because Danielle and Jacqueline hugged? Or was it something else that I missed?

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Nobody REALLY knows, we’re just speculating about what she meant, but I think it’s spot on. Ashley’s never explained her tweets.

    • Jen says:

      That’s what I assume but since Ashley wasn’t there I wonder if Mom told or ‘Aunt’ Caroline said ‘ your mom betrayed the family’ lol

  62. OneMoreinBoston says:

    OK say what?

    Did anyone see this?


    “Is Jill Zarin grooming a new crop of reality stars? Sources say the “Real Housewives of New York City” loudmouth has recruited three young bloggers who signed 30-page talent contracts making Zarin their agent so she can pitch them exclusively to networks like Bravo, Oxygen and Logo. Zarin, who works with hubby Bobby in the fabric business, “considers herself to be a Jewish Benny Medina,” who famously managed J.Lo, a source says. But Zarin’s rep denies she’s running a talent agency.

    So what is she gonna try and do? Compete with Lynn? Is that why we’re suddenly getting some rather hostile posters?

    • Little_Rhino says:

      I truly believe that Jill hired someone to write Gwen Bridge’s blog. It started off as a blog about thinking Lynn took things too far by using the word “hate” about Jill and then rapidly morphed into an all-out hate storm against Alex. One blog entry had some line like “the scenes between Jill and the Countess are pure comedy gold!” No one talks that way, and frankly, I doubt anyone thinks that way. I believe that Jill stepped in somewhere between “hate is such a strong word” and “Comedy Gold!” Or maybe I’m just delusional.

    • Abby Someone says:

      Why am I even surprised. Yesterday I saw she had a video up on her facebook. It was footage from a recent book signing. The funny part was she wrote “I don’t know who posted this but thank you”. She has NO idea the video was posted or who it was, meanwhile the camera was front and center, never more than 6 feet away from her as she keeps glancing into the lens. haha

      There was one random edit where they interject Jill signing books. The anonymous camera person is right next to her as someone says “You’re my favorite housewife.” Jill rewards the “fan” with her patented constipated smile.

      • Is it those bitches at RHWOT???? If so, I have to give them kadooze. Who goes from working at a Bed, Bath, & Beyond in the middle-of-nowhere, to being on the payroll of Jill Z. just for a little brown-nosing?

        • Abby Someone says:

          ooooo I didn’t even think of that! I am sure you’re right. Jill definitely persuades her 5 superfans to campaign for her. She prides herself on that, that’s why she says things like “I will ruin her.” Can there be any doubt at this point that she is power-hungry? It’s pathetic and her saying she had no idea who filmed that is just another version of her Susan Saunders type tactics.

  63. Yankeegal says:

    At last week’s first reunion, Caroline was talking about Danielle’s daughters having blank stares and crying at school and in general, being ashamed of their mother.

    So now I’m wondering what do Caroline’s children, and down the road Jacqueline’s children think and feel knowing how their paternal grandfather was murdered and that being all over the internet. Why wasn’t that brought up in the reunion.

    I am not a fan of any of these women and barely watched the season but felt it highly unfair for all that bullying against Danielle.

    And Andy Cohen, Theresa’s bad behavior gets a pass? None of them are respect worthy individuals and Caroline always saying in the talking head segment, she wants Danielle out of her life…this is the effect you get when you do a reality show.

    • Blue Sky says:

      My son is in high school here in NJ, in a wealthy town with some (not sure just how many) families that have mafia ties. In general the kids at school do not consider another kid’s “family ties” as negative. My son said to me, when I warned him about one particular family “you shouldn’t blame him/her for the family’s mistakes.”

  64. Blue Sky says:

    BravoAndy = Bravo’sPimp

  65. Hi Lynn! i posted this upstream, but i don’t know if you’ll see it, so Im going to repost. hope that’s ok.
    your interview was great, you speak well. I believe that requests from the talk show circuits are on their way. wendy williams, Bonnie hunt, etc. I even mentioned WWHL w/ Andy Cohen(it only makes sense, right?) but now I have a question for you….would you actually be interested, or , more to the point, would you sit down w/ Andy if you were invited? what’s your opinion on this?

    oh, and I truly apologize if this topic has already been discussed and I missed it.

    • Sha2000 says:

      How cool would that be!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Wow that’d be a lot of fun, I really love your enthuiasm. I was really nervous and that was just an internet radio show, I’d be a wreck LOL I don’t think I’ll be invited anytime soon, but….

      If I were invited, absolutely I would go, I’d need meds (joke) but I’d love a chance to give my opinions and the excitement of the shows, sure! Could you imagine Jill’s team if she heard…she was pissed that I met Alex and Simon, anything like this would kill her LMAO

      • Sue says:


        I did radio for years in Philly & NJ, primarily news, docs and a couple of talk-type shows, as well as a lot of writing and producing.

        When I started, I was terrified! Just recording a voice track for a news story made me freeze in mid-sentence… all alone in a soundproof booth!

        I swear, it gets easier. It’s basically sharing information with your friends.

        Consider doing your own internet radio type shows from time to time, just to warm up to the general feeling. It becomes natural. You’ll be fine!

        PS: My first time on TV, I broke out in hives. Big, red, non-photogenic hives! While that clearly wasn’t for me, radio was. I loved the subjects I covered, so it came naturally.

        You may want a co-host just to walk you through a few shows and bounce things off — it becomes much less work and less stress. Please think about it. We’d love to hear you regularly!

      • if a facebook campaign got Betty White on SNL, I don’t think it would be hard to imagine Lynn Hudson on WWHL.(wish i had a facebook account)
        If we plant the “seed” we can watch it grow………….
        I’d bet a million that Andy reads this site. this would be his chance to conduct a “REAL” interview. lets see if he has “the chops”to step up to the plate.
        But, i am sure that he would be afraid to offend the almighty JZ.
        We could ask him on his blog
        how great would it be?

      • JazzNightOut says:

        Even more reason for you to go.

  66. buffywood says:

    After reading back all of the posts I really don’t have much to add.

    The whole cast is so pathetic, my felling continue to run the gamut between pity, disgust, anger, and joy (when I thank god I am nothing like them).

    OneMoreinBoston, I think you are a class act.

    I also wanted to thank MAMAZ for her comment yesterday regarding Caroline. I am paraphrasing but she (I think) said Caroline didn’t need the lap band surgery because the stick that is so far us her ass, it is reducing her appetite. The original comment was much better and it made me laugh out loud.

  67. buffywood says:

    From Andy’s blog… Sounds like Danielle quit and wasn’t fired? Sorry if this was already posted.

    “Last night was Danielle’s farewell on The Real Housewives of New Jersey and she went out on top, on her own terms”

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Maybe he meant that she refused to help Bravo make her into the bad guy and took the high road at the last minute.

      Good for her. Even if it was manufactured emotion, it really made Caroline look mean and bitter, EXACTLY what Danielle intended.

      Skills…girl has skills…

    • Cheri says:

      I’m betting her new friend had something to do with that she probably made her realize she didn’t need the abuse bravo and the “family” were dishing out to her. None of them were perfect but this 4 against one mentality is childish and nobody deserves it not even Danielle.

  68. kk says:

    I have a serious question. If Danielle left, what is RHONJ going to be about? Who’s left:
    Teresa’s Bankruptcy
    Caroline with nothing to do-what does she do without Danielle? Seriously
    Dina gone
    Jac dealing with Ashley

    Besides T’s bankrupcy, I have a more interesting life than Caroline & Jac. How boring.

    Really, what will the show be about?

    • Sha2000 says:

      Seriously, if they showed what transpires with the Giudices I think the networks rating will go up.

      • kk says:

        I wonder what they can show with it being a government matter. Cameras aren’t usually allowed in court rooms. I may be wrong.

  69. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    Completely off topic, but have I mentioned to any of you how I am completely usesless without my morning coffee? Well, as it turns out, I am dangerous as well. Apparently, if you start the coffee pot, and then attempt to Talk to a husband, step over a cat, and pet a dog all at the same time while walking towards a door frame (and not having put your contacts in yet) it is a recipe for disaster and a broken pinkie toe. Go figure. Maybe I should start to demand my coffee be delivered to me in bed so I KNOW I will be safe LOL!

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      ouchie! walking wounded- somehow, someway I know that Danielle is responsible!

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        I did think it might be Karma from laughing so hard at her manic maniken head last night!

        • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

          But she will not take responsibility for it. No way. No how. Heee heeee heeee!

          • OneMoreinBoston says:

            I don’t think I heard her clapping.

            • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

              Oh, she clapped. yes, she clapped. The sickest part is I was standing there, with my husband holding me up and asking “Oh God, Baby, are you okay?” and I was just laughing hysterically at how stupid I had been. Laughing and trying not to throw up from the pain, but laughing non the less. I just kept saying “Did you hear that snap? Are you serious? Are you serious?!”

      • Sha2000 says:

        Aww! I’m the same, I can’t function well with out a cup & my being up between 3am & 6 am for no good reason didn’t help today. I went to the store parked, got out of the car, moved a cart away to pull through to the spot ahead of me, shut off the car & realized I drove to the wrong store! Going to the pot to make an iced coffee now. Part of my problem is it’s BB season & I’m up watching BB After Dark for almost 3 months now…I usually fall asleep watching it; not until 3am. Most boring show on earth especially now with 4 house guests left & I’m watching like a smoe. Hope that toe is better soon…btw, its not completely your fault, I have a dog & two cats & they are always under foot; your up & they are thinking walk & food…tripping you is a way to get your attention.

        • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

          I have parked, gone into the store and then stood there trying to figure out what in the hell I came there for!

        • Ellabean says:

          Sha. You just described my exact last 24 hours: up between 3am and 6am (meno – you know what – no sound sleep anymore) – MUST have a.m. coffee. Now I am beginning to fade at 3pm – and just preparing iced coffee. I was a tea drinker only, my entire life. Bam – menopause hit: and I am a coffee convert. 🙂

          I hope you had a nice b-day. Happy handbag shopping.

          • Sha2000 says:

            Thank you! Found a bag deal today, was $178 I got it for $53 : ) Although I’m @ menopause age, no symptoms yet (hope that doesn’t queue them to start tomorrow), I’ve been a night owl from infanthood, my problem is I rarely sleep beyond 9am & most days I’m up by 7-7:30 or even 5:30-6:30. I need a nap now & then but 5 or 10 mins & I’m great, I just am not a sleeper. My husband can nap for 4 hours get up for 2 and sleep another 8! Use to drive me nuts until I realized its how his body is programmed, he has no control & he needs his sleep just like I need awake time, all good.

            • Sha2000 says:

              …anyway, anyone up late late tonight, go out & check out the stars; as I said last night was absolutely stunning!

              • Blue Sky says:

                Jealous that you can see the stars so well where you are. Here in megalopolous jersey, can’t see hardly any stars. Enjoy!

            • TrueLifeDiva says:

              Who’s the designer? Inquiring minds want to know…. and live vicariously thru your purchase 😉

              • Sha2000 says:

                Hi TLD! You know what? Usually I won’t buy unless it’s a name & preferably Italian made (they really do make the finest bags) & of course it strikes me & must not be pvc…this one was one of the smaller brands sold by Macys (got to go look @ the name) & it really just has the shape I was looking for. I love that it looks good in all three positions; on the shoulder, the crook of the elbow & held by the handles. Black pebbled leather, gold findings but just enough…It was a good find, but the quest for another perfect bag will continue, I’m sure you know what I mean! : ) Bags are BETTER than shoes, they don’t hurt your feet!

          • flippy says:

            My word, isn’t menopause great???? I haven’t had a good nights sleep in 3 years. And how the hell can I still get acne when I’m in menopause? WTF???????

    • Ellabean says:

      Ouch! Duchess . I feel for you. Hey, I broke my pinkie toe 2 years ago – hang on – doing the limbo dance barefoot on a Club Med vacation in the Turqs and Caicos Islands. I kid you not. I came home quite sunburn and limping through JFK.

    • fairydusted says:

      Oh man. I have so done that! OUCH! Best wishes on a speedy recovery. *passes the percocet*

  70. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    This article was written by Rob Shuter from Popeater. There is a quote from a TV Executive stating that Bethenny left RHONY and the ratings on RHONY remained the same. Season 4 of RHONY, without Bethenny, hasn’t aired yet. We don’t know how the ratings for Season 4 will be affected until it hits the airwaves. Rob Shuter is a hack writer!


    • LynnNChicago says:

      Not only that, but it hasn’t begun FILMING yet, talk about a typo…what a stupid thing to report.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      I don’t really understand this. How can this non compete be enforcable? If Bravo fired Danielle, or didn’t ask her back, how then can they stop her from making a living on TV?

      I think @katz2 is onto something. There has to be some sort of a financial angle for getting rid of Danielle.

      If they believe or have evidence that the sex tape(s) were made when Danielle was under contract to them, then she did violate her contract. But because she didn’t release them (wink) someone else did, I wonder if she can be held responsible.

      The more I think about it (ok why am I thinking about it?) the more I think Danny P. had something to do with those tapes. He either filmed them as the 3rd party, was the other…participant (eww, eww, eww!) or he released them or brokered them for her.

      • Sue says:

        Danny Provenzano probably had no interest in producing that tape. I can’t find the article, which ran before season 2 started, but he clearly said he took this show on to get back into acting. He needed the screen time and saw a good fit with the show, especially given his mob pedigree. He’s on IMDB and writes, directs and acts. (As for the idea of him and D having a fling, I really doubt it. He’s very shrewd, he was in it for his career, and he knew that being involved with her would create problems as far as that would go.)

        I did find this from The. NY Post:
        June 22, 2009

        DANNY Provenzano, who made his bones in the movie business writing and directing “This Thing of Ours” (2003) starring James Caan and Frank Vincent, is home from a four-year prison term for racketeering, and is set to start production on a TV pilot, “Manhattan, Kansas” — described as a “really dark comedy” about a family that moves from New York after a near tragedy and settles in the heartland. The testosterone-laden cast includes Vincent, Louis Vanaria, Vincent Pastore, John Bianco and Chuck Zito. And producers Paul Borghese and John Polizzi plan some product-placement Profits, too, with the launch of the Genco Olive Oil Company, which the main character develops and sells as part of the storyline, and the new Wiseguy Wear line of men’s clothing, which will exclusively provide wardrobe for the cast. They’ll host a private launch party tonight at Bottagra restaurant in Hawthorne, NJ.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        of course I’m getting all caught up in the story and not even mentioning that Popeater basically stole the headline from Lynn and her blog.

        Sorry Lynn!

        I wonder if there is a way to get them to give you credit. I’m going over there to post a comment.

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        There was a rumor that she was let go because of “under the table production deals”. Would those “under the table production deals” be her sex tape? It would definitely address the rumors that it was Danielle that brokered the deal. I don’t know if Bravo is upset that she did the tape or if they didn’t get money out of it.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Uh, the ratings remained the same for RHONY….because Bethenny was still on the blinkin’ show!!!! Earth to Rob…or in Kiki speak, Bethenny was like literally, literally on people’s TV screens in each episode as people watched season 3. She wasn’t gone!!!

      As you of course duly noted, icantstandthetoxicity. Clearly, Popeater doesn’t require much of its contributors. Perhaps a crayon scrawled resume and a few Kellogg’s box tops are sufficient to get one a gig on that site.

  71. Sha2000 says:

    Great interview Lynn!!!!!!! & I the baby is so sweet!!! Congrats on both !

  72. lillybee says:

    Thanks for having this blog. TWOP is still closed.

  73. KookADoodleDo says:

    I think Lynda from RHoDC is growing on me. Her response to Andy Cohen via Twitter:
    @BravoAndy yes love is the answer! Not sure those hugs were genuinely received. I stopped watching by the third episode this season . Tuned in for reunion..NJ needs a Make over. I’m new to this and have watched most of the cities but Really ?! One bad apple can spoil the whole bushel basket. Hope our time on the sofa brings HWs back to funny and well …Real…you can’t make this stuff up. Also looking forward to Beverly Hills HWs..happy holiday ! C U soon.
    THERealLyndaDC via UberTwitter

  74. butterisafruit says:

    Thank you Lynn. You really have run a wonderful blog. I don’t think I could take Bravo without being able to come here and read everyone’s opinion and your well versed reports.
    I’m sorry I haven’t posted in months. My husband had a catastrophic illness and is now on a long slow road to recovery. However I when ever I wanted to wander away from the reality of his pain and suffering I could catch up with all the fun comments and detailed assessments here.

    I don’t understand why Danielle had to say she was sorry to anyone. What still gnaws at me is all those women went to out and sat down with her ex husband with one explicit goal. That was to take her children from her. Of course the bankruptcy is the big news but deliberately taking children from their mother is (to me) far more serious. If there is a friendship among these women with Danielle ( which I doubt) that means Caroline has nothing to use as control. And who is Caroline if she’s not running the show? Clean your finger before you point Caroline!!

    Lastly to anyone who is a diabetic. Know your sugar count. Even if you don’t write it down, know what is normal for you. Take it at least daily. Don’t be embarrassed with the count. This is your life. One morning my husband’s went to 432, he didn’t know he was in congestive heart failure for hours.

    Again Lynn thanks so much for all you time, effort, research and having a venue for all these wonderful posters/detectives.

    Mary Purls

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Thank you for posting your warning here and I hope your husband is on the mend and back up soon.

    • I’m so sorry to hear about your husband. I wish him a full and speedy recovery.God Bless You.

      • butterisafruit says:

        Thank you Beverly it will be a long road but he’s already improving in small areas, he’s feeding himself and seems to have more strength.
        (and I get to read Lynn’s blog hehehe)

    • lillybee says:

      Best wishes for his recovery.

      • anniieee says:

        Sending angels and saints your way for both you and your husband. Take care of yourself as well…. it is a hard job, caretaker. God bless you!

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      Hope all is well with your husband.

      I thought that the RHONY ladies sat down with the first husband, Kevin Maher, regarding his lawsuit against her (she said he raped her he claims he did not and the ladies had info on what she told them) and not her second husband Tom Staub.

    • boston02127 says:

      @butterisafruit–Remembering you and your husband in my prayers. ♥

    • Blue Sky says:

      Mary, praying for your husband to have a very speedy recovery, and thank you for the warning about checking blood sugar.

  75. Katie says:

    This entire series was irritating to watch. 

    Not that anyone asked but the following are my top moments of “bitch please” :

    (please note I have not seen any episodes other than the date they aired, I may be a bit fuzzy):)

    Danielle driving around with her kids in the car, with their hands over their eyes, while she ruminates over not being invited to the Manzo’s. 

    The entire country clubbed episode, but specifically when jacoff stood there forever in front of the car, forever. 

    Assley’s face/stupid elf hat.

    Teresa taking about rerenovating.

    Joe telling Gia she is ugly. 

    Joe with his shirt off.

    Caroline, mostly for making me feel like you were the sage elder, when really you only appeared wise in comparison to the company you keep.

    Danielle badgering her daughter about whether she is a good girl/ talking about how disgusting sex is.

    And last but not least freaking Andy Cohen at the reunion asking Kim g, how she knows Kim d, and then acting surprised that they are sil. Really Andy? I get that this show is a production and premeditated, but don’t treat the audience like morons.

    Cheers to no lost footage episode!



  76. Sue says:

    While I agree that we were ‘played’ as viewers, I think the cast was purposely ‘played’ by producers to make more interesting TV.

    Below is from http://crushable.com/entertainment/real-housewives-of-new-jersey-contract-is-unleashed regarding the contracts the RHONJ cast signs. Especially note reference to Article 8 (the pdf of the actual contract was pulled from the site, but I remember reading it when it was first put online.)

    Amongst the hundred million reasons you should never go on a reality show, here’s another one: the contract sucks. You are, quite literally, signing your life away to producers who can essentially do whatever they damn well please with the footage. Don’t believe me? Check out the contract the potential Real Housewives of New Jersey signed, obtained by blog Popsquire. It’s chock full of legal-ese, so here are the highlights:

    In Article 2, the “Participant” (this contract reads like someone who was filmed as part of auditions and not someone actually cast on the show) is not promised any wages at all. This must’ve been what prompted Dina Manzo to seek out an attorney to negotiate salaries for the women to appear, since it looks like they were never planning on paying them.

    Article 3 states: “Producer and the Network are not obligated to have me appear on the Series, may remove or replace me for any reason whatsoever, and are not obligated to broadcast, exhibit, or otherwise use or exploit all or any part of the series.” So, you can be cut at any time. Hear that, NYC housewives?

    Article 4 is very interesting, considering the major plugs the Real Housewives of New York City put us through. It states that no mention of products may be described until approved and that’s it’s a federal offense to promote products on the show without getting permission.

    Article 8: “The nature of the series is such that, for dramatic effect, Producer may make certain misrepresentations to others and me prior to and during the course of my participation, which misrepresentations may relate to any and all topics of every kind and nature whatsoever…”

    Article 16, interesting to those of you who were especially disturbed by the “Naked Wasted” episode: “Producer is not obligated to take any action with regard to medical assistance.”

    Article 24 states that if you end up making money off your participation in the show, you actually owe the production company 10% of your Royalties for three years after the last show airs.

    Finally, they won’t film you showering, on the toilet or having sex without “prior approval.” So, if you wanted to get really real, you could.

    [Via Popsquire]

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      OMG THANK YOU!!!

      They don’t have to provide medical attention? R u f’ing kidding me? So they’ll just keep filming a heart attack?

    • butterisafruit says:

      This is great information. Does this mean that Lu Ann will have to pay Bravo for that horrible song for THREE YEARS?

    • Need a Hobby says:

      I thought that “contract” was shown to be bogus long ago? Still looks like it to me.

      This for example, smells: “it’s a federal offense to promote products on the show without getting permission.”

      Really? What part of the US Code is violated if that happens? Think about it. You flash some unapproved Pop Tarts on the show as a plug and all of a sudden the FBI picks your ass up and hauls you off to face Federal criminal charges? Really? Seriously, does anyone think that’s for real?

      It may be a violation of contract, but that would be at most a potential civil matter. Not a federal crime.

      Kinda reinforces the previous conclusions that the alleged “contract” posted on the net was bogus.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Thank you for taking the time to give us the highlights, I hate reading all that legal jargon and you did a great job of giving us the important points!

      I guess they can start the contract anywhere they want to with all of the benefits on the production side, then the “talent” or “participant” in this case, can negotiate to try to get more stuff, money, perks… We’ve read about the Atlanta ladies getting 1st class airline tickets, a clothing allowance and even money for their electric bills.

      Thanks again Sue!

      • Sue says:

        Thanks, Lynn.

        The summary was not mine, but from Crushable.com.

        I too balked on the ‘federal offense’ part. Since the full text is not available, I can’t read it to figure out for myself.

        I do think it’s sad that the producers can manipulate anyone in such a manner. It’s a recipe for disaster.

        I expect D seemed so paranoid, for example, because the producers fed that belief and reinforced it.

        As for the mentions, especially by D, of “men with guns,” it’s sad. Besides, they may have let her believe it, but no one is going to risk prison for a reality personality by flashing a gun when there’s clearly no reason. The ex-con ‘friends’ on the show are smarter than that.

        • I wrote that blog post when it was originally on BravoFan. And that language of the contract is standard. You can not use brand names on television without getting permission. That’s why the wives don’t go to chain restaurants or stores. Any brand you see on a housewife show, like say, BMW logo on a car for example, was approved. I used to work at Nielsen and tracked product placement on tons of shows. None of it is accidental.

  77. Zipit Zarin says:

    Did anyone read their contract before signing it? Holy Chitballs!
    It’s hard to believe how cheap a soul goes for these days.

  78. boston02127 says:

    Does anyone else think that Jacqueline and Teresa talk (laugh) at Caroline behind her back?

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      LMAO boston now that you mention it yes lolol

    • Boston, do you remember their faces when Carl said (s)he shaved every day?

      • boston02127 says:

        @ Beverly in new jersey–They looked like they wanted to burst out laughing but they only giggled. I’m in shock she shaves her face!!

        Now that you bring it up, I wonder where she ever learned that from. I think she must have had a slight beard at one time. She is kind of manly.

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          Years ago, my first job was behind the Clinique counter. They were really trying to push the 3 step process of soap, toner, and moisturizer.

          At that time, no one wanted to use a toner, and thought it was an extra step that was just to get women to spend more $.

          I was trained to say that it was exfoliation that slows down the aging process, SIMILAR TO A MAN SHAVING HIS FACE.

          My counter manager who had swallowed the Clinique koolaid, started shaving her face to slow down the aging process as well as using the toner.

          My guess is Caroline probably heard that at some Clinique counter 25 years ago.

          • wow. she did keep saying”its like exfoliating” when she was asked about it……..

            • OneMoreinBoston says:

              it’s EXACTLY what we were trained to say. So I wasn’t too surprised, but probably too tired to post anything about it.

          • TrueLifeDiva says:

            I used to work for Clinique in the early 90’s. Maybe that’s were I heard it first too. Exfoliation is a good thing. I wouldn’t shave for exfoliation due to the fact that I might CUT MYSELF! I scar very easily and your face is precious. 😉

            • OneMoreinBoston says:

              Ummm…YOUR face is, Caroline evidently feels she can sacrifice it! LOL

            • ches says:

              Ok , I think EVERYBODY must have worked for Clinique at one time or another. I know I did. But after my stint with Clinique I watched this 70 something, Asian woman being interviewed on TV. She had the most perfect skin…like a 20 year old. She said she shaved her entire face everyday since she was in her teens and that is why her skin is so beautiful.
              So maybe there is something to it.

  79. Ione says:

    I can not stand Andy Cohen. He is such a mean bastard and promotes showing women in the worst possible light.

    Am so glad Danielle left the show, whether by her own decision or being fired. She is right, the only thing left was being killed by that bunch of thugs. What else could they have done to advance the story line? Anyway, I thought I read on the internet a couple weeks ago that Danielle had bought an apartment in New York. I hope she and her daughters have a new, rewarding life away from that Jersey mob.

    One thing I’ve often thought about……Kelly Ripa recently mentioned on her and Regis’s show she had taken her children to kids’ parties at Danielle’s home when her family lived in New Jersey before moving to NYC. She said Danielle seemed like a really nice lady. Her voice and facial seemed to convey puzzlement at the way Danielle is portrayed on the HW show.

    • Ione says:

      meant “Kelly’s voice and facial expression seemed to convey …..”

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        interesting. My friend in NJ also says she’s very pleasant at the gym, in the parking lot at the grocery store, etc.

        But when Laura when to Theresa’s book signing , she said that workers at the grocery store she went to said Danielle was horrible and nuts.

        Maybe she had a little mental breakdown when the husband left?

        • MAMAZ says:

          Of course she was nice to Kelly Ripa. Kelly was a lready a soap star by the time she married and had children. Danielle is a user.

          • Ione says:

            Hmmm, Kelly’s kids know Danielle’s and they have visited in each other’s homes for kids’ parties. I would take Kelly’s assessment over someone who was in a line at T’s book signing who happens to work at a store where Danielle supposedly shops. Just my take on the little bit of info I have.

  80. Katie says:

    This reunion has compelled me to take up charity work. After witnessing Andy being tossed about by T-man, and experiencing difficultly braiding the mannequin’s hair or whatever he was attempting to do, I became gravely concerned for Andy’s physical well being. I move to ban together to purchase Andy a 5lbs dumbbell and a bottle of Oscal. See Kelly other people can create non sequitur charities too.

  81. SickenedByThis says:

    Maybe I missed seeing this posted but……. according to this article Teresa is afraid of prison! Gotta pay the piper babe!!!!


    • Zipit Zarin says:

      By O’SnapHighest

      The real crime is to have all of that money socked away and not to spend any of it on electrolysis. <———Hahahaha

  82. lillybee says:

    It looks like Theresa has been watching too much General Hospital because that is Sonny’s excuse for not going to prison.

  83. Char212 says:

    Alex has a blog about the reunion up on Bravo. She wasn’t happy with it either. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/season-2/blogs/alex-mccord-nj/i-need-a-mental-shower

    • NoGrifterFan says:

      Thanks for the link. I like Alex and appreciate her view though I disagree with her on many points, especially Teresa.

  84. PattyMinnie says:

    Don’t know if it’s been said (too many comments to read thru yet), but

    Caroline’s accusation about Danielle stalking her house. Known fact Caroline and Al have multiple security cameras installed outside the home. She never brought that up, just said a neighbor saw a white range rover.

  85. boston02127 says:

    The best thing that came from all of this crapfest is that I found out lazy Dina’s real name is Claudine. Dina, we know you read this blog. From now on your nickname will be Claude. No more of the cute-se Dina stuff. Claude fits you much better.

  86. Sue says:

    Just found thepiece on Danny Provenzano that I mentioned upstream from May 2, 2010.


    “He’s hoping his turn on Housewives expands his celebrity, showcases his acting chops, and generates some interest in that project.

    “I was playing in a celebrity softball game at Bears Stadium in Newark in the summer of 2009,” Provenzano said in describing the serendipitous route that led him to the outcast housewife.”

    My favorite line is this:

    “When they arrive, the others have made sure Danielle doesn’t have a table. Danny and his crew, which includes a Hells Angel and a state senator (don’t ask), rectify the problem.”

  87. floridagirl88 says:

    As I sat and watched part 2 of the reunion last night, I chuckled again and again at how Danielle pushes everyone’s buttons. She stalks off the set twice, walking slowly, tossing her hair and giving them all the side eye, and the other ladies get upset because they realize they are being played. My hat is off to Danielle today for throwing them all off balance with her antics. When she got up to hug Teresa and Jac, I laughed out loud because refusing her truce would have made them look even smaller, pettier. I wondered what the interaction with Caroline would be and a handshake seemed about as good as it was going to get.

    She played them all…

  88. I missed the first 10 to 15 minutes of the show twice and had to stay up til 1:30 to see the beginning which wasn’t much to miss out on to begin with. Thought the whole part 2 was a big joke! Bravo intentionally deceived viewers by claiming someone was going to leave forever. They’ve sunk to new lows. Thanks for the blog Lynn. It pretty much sums up what I feel too.

  89. This episode confirmed for me: Caroline Manzo can lose weight all day long, a Pig Is a Pig is a Pig. She said last week to Tree-Bag: “If I knew you were like this all the time, I wouldn’t be friends with you.” Well? What else do you need Caroline? They showed the fight at the fashion show, and there’s your fat ass on the couch giggling at Teresa. In fact they are ALL giggling at the hair-pulling demonstration. Caroline is the pushiest, most obnoxious bitch I have ever heard on television in my life. She interrupted Danielle about 30 times. And in the middle of conversations that didn’t even INVOLVE her. She LEAPT in to answer for Jacqueline regarding the Facebook fight. It sickens me how many of you “just love” Caroline and think she’s “so classy”. Makes me wonder what on earth you grew up with that that’s your idea of class. THIS is a woman you admire? You think it’s CLASSY to verbally berate another woman on television? A woman who isn’t even speaking to you directly? Just to jump in with hurtful details, or to say “STOP” or NEXT” or LIAR”? This is classy to you?
    I heard Danielle say “I shouldn’t have done it and I am sorry” SEVERAL times in BOTH episodes, and I haven’t heard ANY of the rest of them say that in EITHER episode. NOT ONCE.
    And Andy never stopped. Just GLOSSING over Jacqueline and her fresh-mouth little bitch daughter, who should have been sent off to boot-camp YEARS ago. Lets just get the wedding to the mouth-breathing boyfriend over with, have the baby, get the divorce and MOVE ON. Go live in the attic with your love-child, Knit your ugly Rastafarian hats while mom drags YOUR baby over to MommaManzo’s Kitchen of Shitty Advice, and drive around town in your pajamas chewing your fingernails and get a job as a hostess at the Olive Garden.
    And I will always admit when I am wrong…..I swore up and down the pressure would get to Kim G and she would do something to that Godawful head of hair of hers…I swore she would get some extensions but nope. Here she comes, looking ridiculous, like she’s on her way to audition for “Whatever Happened To Baby Jane” in her teenage Blue Cocktail Dress and diamonds and horribly outdated hair style. Folks, this woman can afford to buy a whole new HEAD, but won’t cave in and get some extensions or a stylist? I will say I woke up for a second when Kim G told Teresa off…maybe she’s not so bad after all. All too quickly she was gone. So far, Kim G has been the best behaved person on the show, INCLUDING Andy, who I’m sure will now go back to beating up on Danielle and softballing the 3 little pigs.
    So now we get to the end, and Jacqueline has her epiphany. Its about damn time, lady. You just barely squeaked by with your life on that one. You are LUCKY Danielle is still so needy that she not only forgave you, but that inky haired train wreck of an animal next to you. And then…oh then….Bless her heart. She had to try, didn’t she. My heart broke for Danielle when she said “It would be an honor if you would shake my hand” to that Manzo Pig and that’s when it all came to me, clear as a bell. ALL of the problems on this show? ALL of the shit we’ve been blaming on Teresa, and Danielle, and Danny Bagadonuts, and Jacqueline and her daughter Bob Marley…all of these problems lie squarely at the Feet of Caroline Manzo. She WILL NOT FORGIVE. She WONT LET Danielle have a clean slate. When Danielle got up to go over to Jacqueline you could SEE Caroline bristle like the whiskers on her face. Even earlier, when Caroline said regarding Tree-Bag and Jacq: “I tried to Counsel them” …she’s got to be running the show….she makes me VOMIT. She WILL NOT LET THEM HEAL. For all of her “Lipstick on a Pig” references, that’s all I could think about as Caroline is glowing on Wendy Williams today about her weight loss: Doesn’t matter sister. Lose all the weight in the world and you’re still a big, pushy, obnoxious, Interrupter Extraordinaire BULLY. As to Caroline and Danielle’s Big Dinner, with Caroline saying “If Danielle will disappear out of our lives, we’ll disappear out of yours”. Guess what Grandma, then YOU AINT GOT A SHOW. Do you really, REALLY think we give a rats ass what you do all day? That we want to watch you weep about your empty nest? How about you go volunteer? Be a Grandma for a child without one. I can think of about 50 altruistic ways for you to fill up your days that don’t involve Danielle. And guess what? They might, they just MIGHT, make you look and feel like a decent human being, instead of an old rich pushy, controlling gossip, void of ANY ambition in life.
    THE RHONJ DISEASE KEEPS BEING RE-INFECTED BY CAROLINE MANZO AND NO ONE ELSE. If you can’t see that then enjoy your ride on Mr-Turtle’s-Ride- Mr Kelly-Wild-Ride” or whatever Caroline opened with tonight because you have SHIT-For-BRAINS. Where is Koo Koo Kikilet when there’s a REAL Bully in the House? This crew needed Jill Zarin, maybe they could get Danielle to commit suicide, would you like that Caroline? By the way, do you guys KNOW how easy it is to FAKE a Re-Tweet?? They has some Lame-ass Twitter evidence. The As I said the whole thing fell together for me when Danielle turned to shake ManzoPig’s hand …..Evil incarnate. Sicker than all the rest of them put together. Ive been saying it from the get-go and she had so many of you fooled, drinkin that Manzo kool-aid. I hope you regained consciousness tonight, I really do because this is one Twisted Bitch.
    PS) To all of the Pearl-Clutchers….not ONE f-Bomb tonight. Happy? Didn’t think so.
    PPS) Bravo again Lies to us all week with their “And THIS time..ONE..Housewife…..Will…..walk…away….FOR….EVER!!!!!” Anybody see anyone walk away forever? Wish it would have been Caroline. Off the Brooklyn Bridge with a pair of lead boots shoved in her big fat fresh mouth.


    • ShyAsrai says:

      sing it, sister!

    • anniieee says:

      You know–I agreed with you on this one… then you had to add your patronizing comment at the end, just to get in an “I’ll show you all.”

      ” PS) To all of the Pearl-Clutchers….not ONE f-Bomb tonight. Happy? Didn’t think so.”

      Almost as mature as Caroline. “She WILL NOT FORGIVE. She WONT LET Danielle (the responders here) have a clean slate. ”

      Nuff said.

    • Meadow says:

      So, tell us what you really think of CM???

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Beth- what is with the pearl clutching? I don’t get it. You act like this blog is a PTA meeting.

      F-bombs or not, I’m not happy or unhappy either way. You have expressed the opinion of most of the posters on this blog.

      “she had so many of you fooled, drinkin that Manzo kool-aid.” Who exactly are you taking about? This blog? very few of us were fooled by Caroline and the ones that were quickly saw the light.

      Why are you trying so hard to be controversial? You are underestimating the intelligence of the people who post here. Most of us have an edge.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        You’d think we all were named Aunt PittyPat and carried smelling salts in our corsets or something.

      • Hey Boston, First of all, I want to make it clear that I am (happily) responding to YOU! Earlier I was responding to one of my Pals “Mom’sThoughts”, and some crazy person went off on me because she thought I was responding to HER and thought I was calling her a “Mom” and told me she “didnt have kids” and it’s just blowing my MIND how crazy this board gets!

        Second, do you really think Lynn would have invited a complete asshole to Guest blog? Or is it possible there was a total breakdown of communication? I will be the first to admit that when I get poked in the chest 2 or 3 times, i’ve got a mean bite. I ALWAYS cop to my part in a mess, and honestly the last thing I’m into is trying to stir shit up. I’ve got stong opinions, and I like to state them ,and get in and get out. When I guest blogged last week for the first time, people were attacking me personally for LANGUAGE and the WAY that I was commenting, not on the actual content. So yeah, I got very snarky.
        Pearl-clutching is just a reference to the conservative women of the 50’s , who when they heard a bad word would clutch at their throats (pearls) in shock and raise their eyes to the heavens . Its just a goofy reference, and it blows my mind that people take it so personally!! If I could have done my Guesting, and people would have ragged at my OPINIONS, or disagreed with me, hell I dont care, thats what makesit FUN! Thats what I was hoping for because I love a good debate. I’m the first one on Twitter to tell everybody to calm down when the fighting starts over this nonsense. So the problem is that no one talked about or disagreed with the comments, only the way in which I present them, and so I missed the intelligence and the ‘edge’, though I beleive that it’s here. But if I come back to read what happens after this, when I am being open and honest, someone will again say something ignorant and personal, and I’ll have to pull a mannequin head out of my purse. I have feelings like everybody else and when my STYLE is attacked, I bite back. I do appreciate your neutral inquiry though, it was very refreshing. We have fun on Twitter too and nobody attacks anybody’s style, at least not so far! The Manzo-Kool-Aid is a Jim Jones Reference…..Like he had all of those poor people convinced they needed to drink that kool-aid that killed them to be loyal to him. Which ultimately killed over 900 people. Thus, the Manzo Kool-Aid. GET OUT and AWAY from that crazy back of lunatics while you still can. Even earlier somebody said “I really liked what you said but you were mean in the end”, Well, I put up a little defense wall at the end…do ya blame me after last week? So lets see what happens now, if everyone can just let it go, stop talking about ME, or if there’s a Caroline out there who won’t let it GO already. Can;t we get back to the Bitches at hand? Please?

        • anniieee says:

          No, to me it was not a defense thing, it was rude slap to all the posters who did not like what you said or how you defended yourself on your last two blogs. You have attacked people after every blog. You do get nasty to the point that people have left this blog. Now you ask for a pass? Gee sounds like reunion part 2. (she says as her eyes roll back in her head and her boobs bounce on her lap)

        • cdnfillie58 says:

          “Pearl-clutching is just a reference to the conservative women of the 50′s , who when they heard a bad word would clutch at their throats (pearls) in shock and raise their eyes to the heavens .”
          WTF..I’m over 50 sometimes conservative, mostly liberal and I DON’T clutch at my throat in shock when I hear or read a bad word…you spew a lot of shit lady, and the way you come across, sorry but some of us WILL take it personally, and if this is the kind of comedy show you put out there, guess I won’t be lining up anytime soon.
          Sorry Lynn if this is bashing other posters, I don’t usually get this mad, but sometimes I have to open mouth and insert foot just to make me feel better.

        • OneMoreinBoston says:


          Typically when we reply to a poster here, we call them by their poster name. So @momsthoughts is called @momsthoughts not moms. We do that because Lynn has such a successful blog that they’re so many of us.

          When you wrote “moms”, I thought you were here to yet again attack the people who post here, and I’m not too pleased about that.

          If you want to respond to me, respond to my post up thread as well-you know the one where just now you call me crazy?

          Or do you not have the balls (sorry meant ovaries, they are so much stronger) to do so ?

          See here’s the thing, no one here is mean spirited, no one is attacking you, yet you continuously attack without provocation.

          If you live for a good debate, then dammit DEBATE! I don’t see a good debate out of you, all I see so far are insults. It’s childish and tired.

          With all do respect, I think you are so used to being attacked by the hecklers at your shows that you are over reacting.

          No one is saying something ignorant and personal to you. Certainly not the way that you did to a poster here named @Squirrels, who you ridiculed because she called you out on the use of your word “retard”.

          See her son is mentally handicapped and it’s stressing her out to the point that she started a blog on her trials and tribulations over her son’s progress.

          It’s pretty amazing writing and it would melt a heart of stone to read it. Maybe when you stop being defensive you could take a moment to read it?

          But back to you, Beth, no one here is attacking your style, we are DEBATING you on your assumptions that we don’t get it.

          I get the koolaid reference, I just used it up thread about another subject and yeah we get what your saying because we’ve been saying it all season.

          I don’t like twitter, because I’m a secret closeted writer and I can’t do it in 140 characters or less., so I have no idea what is done there.

          I do know what is done here, however. Climb off the pity pot, show some respect and you’ll do just fine.

        • Need a Hobby says:


          Paragraphs are nice.

          Speed kills.

          They’re already here.

      • So there you have it Boston; Olive branch promptly slapped out of hand. It’s not enough to ignore, gotta point out that my writing is so distasteful to her. I just don’t think that’s edgy and mature, I think that’s pretty Jilly and Caroliney. But I gave it a shot and Boston you get credit for paving a neutral way. (Sorry Lynn….You know I tried!! :))

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          Beth who are you calling Boston? are you saying me OneMoreIn Boston, or Boston 02127?

          If you’re referring to me, I am confused. I actually have a semblance of a life, as uneventful as it is, and I can’t be on this blog 24/7.

          I was making dinner, is that what you’re referring to that I am slapping the olive branch out of your hand?

          Because I didn’t respond for a good 20 minutes? And now I’m like Caroline and Jill?

          whew-girl, that’s kind of a stretch even for you!

          I don’t know-like I said I’m trying to like you but you’re not making it too easy right about now!

          Anyway, thank you for taking the time to respond to me here, I have no problems for the most part about WHAT you write, or even your schtick, but not too crazy about being disrespected.

        • flippy says:

          Chill out Beth. Its suppose to be fun.

        • anniieee says:

          wow–there was an olive branch? I missed it. I saw you put people down. That is not debating…that is chewing on the ankles like a terrier, then running to the corner and pissing all over. We have all disagreed on this blog, but we don’t attack people. I don’t see that you tried the olive branch at all–kind of back asswards and mean spirited.

          “But if I come back to read what happens after this, when I am being open and honest, someone will again say something ignorant and personal, and I’ll have to pull a mannequin head out of my purse. ”

          “I ALWAYS cop to my part in a mess, and honestly the last thing I’m into is trying to stir shit up.”

          a VERY intelligent poster left this blog because of the way that you attacked her. We all miss her here, she always added thoughtful and very funny–to the money posts.

          Was it necessary at the end of your first post–to put people down (even if you thought it was tongue in cheek?) It was rude. You drag the dirty blanket over–throw it in our faces and expect us to say “oh wow Febreeze” Nah. I miss Squirrels too much. Don’t worry, I will pass by your posts and not respond anymore–UNLESS you attack people personally again.

        • boston02127 says:


    • BambiBaby22 says:

      just for the record, I NEVER liked Caroline.

    • 201MaryF says:

      Sorry, I don’t like the way you write. That’s it. I’m entitled to my opinion. There are many other bloggers and commenters on here who write much better than you.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        I’m trying to like her because Lynn invited her to guest blog twice, but she’s starting to piss my ass off.

        In her defense, I just don’t think she reads this blog AT ALL. You know what with stealing the sheets at hotels and all, I guess she just doesn’t have the time.

        So she has made assumptions that we sit around and drink tea with our pinky’s up at the at the latest Junior League luncheon.

        If she’s drop that patronizing crap, I might enjoy her blogs, but otherwise all she’s going to hear are crickets chirping.

        • anniieee says:

          Kats2–sorry …it just ticked me off. When she talks down and makes insulting comments to all of us–thinking it is funny, I get pissed. It is such a nice place to lurk, comment, discuss and share with a group of intelligent men and women (and a few trolls that don’t last too long) that my blood pressure blows when we are treated like this. She is Lynn’s guest, I was too, so I guess I should be more polite. HOWEVER, I think this one could be a little less condescending and patronizing as well. Kinda has Caroline’s demeanor…..whoooo whooo look at me… queen of all crap.

    • KellitaM says:

      You always make me LOL!
      I agree. The bitter, angry Puppeteer has made her lil puppets dance her jig all season long. How betrayed she must have felt when Jac decided to spit out the Caroline koolaid. I would have loved to have been a “fly on the wall” on their car ride home!

    • Katie says:

      Sounds like someone has a crush.

    • boston02127 says:

      Wasn’t this posted on the last blog???? If we all brought our posts over we’d be reading the same thing over and over.

      • Anniieee says:

        No this was last night… unless I missed it on the other blog. So sorry.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        No- this is a new post.

        I can see why you’re confused, because it’s the same tired crap over and over…

        2)defensive response that includes more insults
        3)shrugs shoulders”well I tried”
        4)licks her wounds for a few days

  90. PattyMinnie says:

    Grateful the Reunion Show asked and answered the question: “Was Ashley willing to apologize publicly to Danielle for the hair pulling to have the charges dropped?”. Jacqueline and Danielle answered together that Ashley refused the Judge’s offer, and thus the case went forward. Jacqueline admitted Danielle was willing to drop the charges for a public apology in Court, but Ashley refused the Judge’s offer.

    I’m totally confused about Caroline’s reaction to Jacqueline and Teresa accepting Danielle’s apology and her willingness to drop lawsuits against cast members and all three saying they were willing to go forward and end the animosity among themselves. Caroline appeared to be confused and/or peeved – what was it she was exhibiting, saying with words and facial expressions? I just did not get where she was coming from?

  91. Sigh.... says:

    I hope I copied and pasted this right.

    This could have been a different series:

    I feel ripped off. It didn’t have to go dark and just weird.

    • Had Enough! says:

      GREAT find! I’d never seen that before. And what a big hint we got there from D: What people would be most surprised to learn about me is that I have a very colorful past.

      Is it just me, or does she come off as normal? In that case, did she go nuts, precipitated by this Manzo/Laurita thing, or was the whole thing I giant act (hat tipping to Olivia).

      • Sigh.... says:

        I thought She acted normal in the first 4 episodes of Season 1 and then the show got all weird.

        I really hope everyone watches this. I do believe her daughters love her.

        I will look for more.

    • flippy says:

      Thanks Sigh. Out of the mouths of babes!!! Nice to see some normality in this woman. I think we can thank Bravo for the “dark and weird”.

  92. Had Enough! says:

    Gawker’s up:


    If there is anyone I feel sorry for in this whole mess, it is Richard Lawson.

    His sign-off tune today is most appropriate (from the brilliant Joni Mitchell album):

    The last time I saw Richard was Detroit of ’68
    And he told me:
    “All romantics meet the same fate, someday
    Cynical and drunken
    Boring someone in some dark cafe,”
    “You laugh,” he said
    “You think you’re immune
    Go look at your eyes, they’re full of moon!
    You like roses, and kisses
    And pretty men to tell you all those pretty lies
    Pretty lies
    When you gonna realize
    They’re only pretty lies?
    Only pretty lies
    Just pretty lies,”

    Rachel Zoe re-run on. What is wrong with Donatella Versace’s face? What a tragic, horrid mess.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      I. Love. This. Guy.

      I bow before the alter of his writing.

      thanks for posting the link!

      • anniieee says:

        Awesome–Had Enough..he hit the nail on the heads of all of them. Thanks for posting it!

        • Ellabean says:

          Dearest Richard,
          That was a masterpiece.

        • Had Enough! says:

          I meant to say “the brilliant Joni Mitchell album Blue.”

          You young’uns – that was classic. Go get it. Itunes has it, I’m sure. One thing I don’t mind about my age is that my generation had the music. Sweet Jesus, did we have the music. I am hard pressed to find anything today that matches the innovation, sheer musicality, timelessness of the music of that era. Almost of all it still worth listening to.

          • anniieee says:

            Buffalo Springfield…oh yea. Traffic, Blind Faith, Cream, Canned Heat..The Band…and on and on.
            Judy Collins, Arlo, Grace Slick and Janis. Sweetwater…Country Joe and the Fish. The Turtles, Kinks..okay..I’m stopping.

    • Katie says:

      I bet he doesn’t get harassed by the housewives of nj, none of them would understand his recaps. Thanks for posting.

    • dumberries says:

      The comments had me laughing out loud. I’m not usually huge on bathroom humor, but @ismellcatpee’s comment completely cracked me up. Very fitting analogy….

    • flippy says:

      Donatella’s almost like a Picasso now. Almost.

  93. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    This is a tweet from Teresa.

    Teresa_Giudice: I know there are tons of rumors today. Don’t believe everything you read. (Except my “In Touch” cover story. That really was me!) xx
    17 minutes ago via web

    • Had Enough! says:

      Teresa. Read the court documents. If you can, that is. Let’s see you try to blame THIS on Danielle.

    • Sue says:

      She has to know that the actual document is all over the net since Lynn dug it up, but she’s calling it a rumor. That’s going to tick fans off, especially when they tweet her directly and she blows it off.

      Perhaps more important, it could tick off a judge in the future as she’s basically lying. Again. Her lawyer must be ready to jump off something!

      By the way, she also tweeted that she’ll be on Dr. Phil on 9/16. That’s going to be wreckage. Phil should skip the suit and tie that day in favor of a suit of armor.

  94. Sigh.... says:

    Here’s the clip with Caroline & Bernie Kerik (indited Bernie) stated as Al’s (Caroline’s hubby) best friend.

  95. nancy says:

    IMO I think the wording of Brovo is telling. I think Miss Danielle is not leaving the “Housewives” New York , anyone?

  96. Sigh.... says:

    Caroline saying all is forgiven at the end of the day–HA. This was shot before RHONJ season 1 started.


  97. boston02127 says:

    Real Housewife Danielle Staub reveals never-before-heard dirt about her cast mates


    • Had Enough! says:

      Explain to me how Bravo and NBC/Universals flying squadrons of lawyers didn’t insist that the signatures be notarized.

    • KookADoodleDo says:

      Boston, thanks for posting that link!
      Interesting that Danielle stated she has been talking to T’s brother…….

      “Why did what you said about her nephew make Teresa so mad in the first place?
      Teresa never greeted her nephew. I have proof of that in email. She never said congratulations to her brother when her nephew was born. Her brother has been directly contacting me for the past year and a half, letting me know how he feels about his sister. And how he and his wife — pregnant wife — were thrown from her house because they brought my favorite cookies to Christmas Eve… Teresa threw a hissy fit. And not once do you see her with her brother and her sister-in-law and their beautiful children. Not once! But she glorifies everybody else. Why couldn’t she show her real family? Why? Just tell me why? Because they have more than her maybe? Because she’s jealous of them maybe? Or maybe they would have told the truth and said Teresa goes off like that all the time. “It’s not just Danielle. Teresa’s certifiably crazy.” I think they’re going to have their chance now to speak the truth. Go for it, I’m all behind you.”

      • MAMAZ says:

        Because they brought Danielle’s favorite cookies? Seriously, I’m supposed to believe Teresa even knows what Danielle’s favorite cookies are?
        Melissa Gorga has already told this story. She didn’t say Teresa threw them out of the house, it was that Teresa threw the cookies out. It has nothing to do with Danielle in anyones mind but Danielle’s.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Anything Danielle says should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Just saying.

      Wouldn’t believe anything just on her word anymore than I would believe Teresa explaining how she & her hub came to be around $11 million in debt….and it was like all a surprise and all the other baloney they’ve been shoveling.

  98. This could be the most brilliant summation of our four friends Ive ever seen in print anywhere. If you don’t dig VERY dark humor trust me, you’ll want to take a pass on this. This guy leaves me Breathless……Lynn…what do you think? LV


    • lillybee says:

      Funny and true.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Yeah-@HadEnough posted it upthread. No one took a pass on it.

    • flippy says:

      Okay Beth gotta thank you and Boston for that one. My favorite (referring to Kim G) ….

      “That woman has never met a swear that she hasn’t fallen deeply in love with and married in international waters. All that woman does all day long is curse like a sailor from a ghost ship.”

      and married in international waters. I swear I almost peed my pants! Good one.

    • Perjury, Fraud, & Lies says:

      Beth when you write long posts could you please use paragraphs and put a line space between them? I can’t read long posts easily, one line runs into another and I lose my place.

      Thank you

  99. Dawn says:

    I’m posting this again because I felt like it got lost in the other blog. It has some interesting information about the businesses featured on the show. It discussed the comped hotel room for Juicy and Tee’s anniversary and this interesting little tidbit, “Kassir was the first doctor housewife Danielle Staub consulted on air about her breast implant reconstruction. Kassir referred Staub to Dr. Michael Fiorillo, who performed the surgery. Kassir is the surgeon who gave cast member Ashley Holmes, daughter of housewife Jacqueline Laurita, her new nose. The operation was filmed by Bravo, but didn’t air during this season. It may be featured in the third season, if the “new Ashley” becomes a theme of the show.”

  100. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s tweet——@TeddyMcDonald wow. you are torn between my hair, smile, legs? wow. i am blushing on twitter

    His exact tweet was—-@kikilet Hi, I’m torn between the hair, the smile or possibly the legs 🙂 how do you do?

    Hey Kelly–How’s loser life been going? You may want to re-read his tweet hon.

    • kats2 says:

      color me tired – I don’t get it???

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        He’s making fun of Kelly. Saying he’s torn but never saying what he is torn over.

        I had to read it a few times to get it. and not even sure I’m right…

        • kats2 says:

          Thank you OneMoreinBoston!

          • dumberries says:

            I think it’s the “possibly torn between the legs” part that’s funny. I could be wrong, but kinda funny to me when referring to Kiki…

            • dumberries says:

              Ooops, just re-read my comment. Didn’t mean like literally “torn” there would be funny. Just someone messing with Kiki as to whether it’s her hair, or her smile, or possibly between her legs that most intrigues him. Remember, she thinks A LOT of people want to see what she looks like with no clothes on…

        • Had Enough! says:

          I read it the way you did. I’m torn – which of these three things is more disgusting and freaky – your greasy hair, your insane grin, or your wrinkly legs?

  101. I just listened to the podcast with Lynn & Carly, and what’s-his-name. Nice! Lynn-as they say, you must be a “natural”, if that was your very first interview ever. And Carly Hall, the interviewer, has I think the most pleasant radio-voice that I’ve ever heard.
    I hope that Carly gives us a heads-up when she posts new stuff on her site, I like to keep-up with pageant news also. I was somewhat surprised at who Lynn would choose as the Housewives beauty-pageant winner, but I have to agree that she has the, “total package”.

    • MAMAZ says:

      I just listened as well.
      Congrats Lynn, you did a great job. I told you before I think you should be doing a weekly Reality Recap on TV. I mean it, you should make a 3 to 5 minute demo to shop around to your local stations. Sell it as weekend filler, Saturday morning maybe. Start there and who knows where you could go.

  102. Sardonica says:

    siiiigh…I have found a person who wrote what I was thinking during the Reunion/2 last night. Somehow I feel validated. Am I a crazy RHW addict, oh yes…and the recap I just read has been a pleasant rush to my fried NJHW brain. Thank you!
    …and a big thank you to realcityhousewife blog for directions to this ‘RHW dealer” Ahhh, I needed that fix. I am floating in a big cloud of gummy bears who are shopping at Chanel while they pondering fashion week and the difference between a cook and a chef. Now THIS is my satchels of gold!

  103. MAMAZ says:

    Buffywood – Thanks for the mention upthread 🙂

    • buffywood says:

      OMG, it was one of the funniest things I’ve read. I am sorry I didn’t do it justice above.

      • kats2 says:

        What did I miss? Repost it please there’s way too much ^ up there 🙂

        • MAMAZ says:

          Last night I said that Caroline didn’t have a lap band. That the pole she has shoved up her ass goes all the way up to her stomach and doesn’t leave her much room for food. Also it must be very uncomfortable since she is always rolling her eyes and twitching her mouth.

  104. nathania says:

    I totally agree with your summation of the season and the reunion episode, on all points. I find it very strange, because this is not something that EVER happens to me when reading press on this show. I don’t know if it is the difference between reading something by someone who actually did watch all shows of the season…or maybe someone who tries to be impartial to all cast members. I never had a ‘favorite’ on this show…I started out not liking Danielle, or any of them, but I found that my natural inclination toward the underdog came to the surface when it became clear that Bravo was leaning on the audience to regard each woman as a ‘character’ (hero/villian/victim, etc) rather than letting the audience make our minds up. I have lost complete respect for Andy Cohen.

    His badgering Danielle about her friend Danny’s use of the f-word annoyed me too. Let me put it this way…Danny is a tough punk just out of prison and going back. It’s no surprise he behaved this way. I want to hear the word “mafia” out of Andy Cohen’s mouth, for every time he brought up the use of the ‘f-word’ by Danny. I want him to badger Caroline and Dina about the source of their millions (and it ain’t catering). Fair is fair. It’s so interesting to me that he badgers a cast member about homophobia (of a friend) who just released a love song with a lesbian singer, and is carrying on in some kind of relationship with a lesbian. Um, I don’t get it. He never asked Teresa to clarify what she meant on one of the episodes when she commented that ‘it wouldn’t surprise me’ to find out that Danielle was gay.

    I’m grossed out by Andy Cohen and his Bravo team. Something is unhinged over there. I’m tired of watching grifters on these shows. Lynne from the OC, the Giudices, Dina herself clearly married for money as evidenced in the bridal show she did for vh1 a couple of years ago. Cat Omanney apparently has all kind of problems and is already not returning to DC. There is no reason that these housewives shows have to go like this. I personally think they shouldn’t hire family members…they are apparently set to exploit the family problems of two sisters on the Beverly Hills show that is just starting. What on earth…someone needs a moral compass over in Bravo land. (This is clear on the show “Flipping Out” as well, where Jeff Lewis continually berates and abuses his help.)

  105. Katie says:

    Greetings all, again.

    So I was thinking about how asinine this reunion was, and I thought about something jac said that once again suggests that her daughter is the stupidist person alive. Did jac say that Danielle agreed to drop the charges in court if assley apologized? And then doesn’t  jac continue to enable her moron offspring by saying that assley was mad at danielle because she lied about the death threat so she didn’t want to apologize? WTF? Yes Ashley,
    a criminal record is much better than saying your sorry. Because guess what sweetheart long after this show is gone and nobody follows you on twitter those charges will be the only thing that remains. Well that and she probably have a stash of those god awful hats.

    Caroline if you want to bitch at somebody about the charges, why don’t you bitch at your impulsive niece who scoffed at the opportunity to put this behind her.

  106. BambiBaby22 says:

    Can anyone answer this one question for me, what exactly HAS Danielle done to Caroline, any other Manzo or Teresa? I understand pressing charges against Ashley is something that can be catagorized as “doing something”.
    I think all Teresa and Caroline can come up with is that Danille has called them names. Big deal. Words are just letters strung together, unless you let the words have power, they should not mean anything to you and wanting to destroy someone over words is more than insane.
    I am just trying to figure out Caroline and Teresa’s thinking and reasoning. So if anyone can shed any light on this, I would appreciate it. BTW….I am speaking of any of Danielle’s actions on and off the show….not just filming.

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      To clarify, when I say words are just letters strung together, I mean as in name calling (such as “Coke Whore”)….I didn’t mean rumors that can ruin reputations, etc.

    • Karen says:

      What started all of this was at the end of season one, Danielle confronted Dina about allegations that she had spread all over town a book that contained the details of Danielle’s past. Dina denied it and Caroline backed her up, saying that she did it herself. But Jacqueline backed up Danielle and said that Dina was lying. Ever since then Caroline has hated Danielle. Later, Caroline said that Danielle tried to have Dina’s daughter taken away from her, but I’m not buying that. They have this need to dehumanize Danielle and make her seem like a total monster. Caroline needs to be seen as morally superior. That’s her thing.

      When season two started, Jacqueline took it all back and said that Dina was telling the truth, and that she was no longer friends with Danielle, in part because her husband Chris prohibited it. Caroline also said that Danielle wanted to divide the family, etc and from there she called her crazy, etc.

      As for Teresa, at the end of season one danielle told her to “pay attention pu-lease” and Teresa went nuts and flipped over a table. In season two, after Teresa called Danielle a old hag and b*tch, Danielle told her that her house was in foreclosure and Teresa went nuts chasing her through a country club, calling her vile names.. Then Ashley pulled Danielle’s hair.

      Basically anything Danielle said or did was called crazy and evil, and everything they said about Danielle, no mater how awful, was treated as the truth. Caroline even justified the vile things she said about Danielle’s kids.

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        Thanks for that. I did not miss anything, so really Danielle never “did” anything to the others. They just simply don’t like her and apparently that is enough reason to ruin their own reputations. I wonder how business has been at the Brownstone now that everyone knows how Caroline really is?

  107. BambiBaby22 says:

    To clarify, when I say words are just letters strung together, I mean as in name calling (such as “Coke Whore”)….I didn’t mean rumors that can ruin reputations, etc.

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      sorry for the double post…I meant to add this to my original post as “reply”.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      I don’t think there is any reasoning. They are all black or all white- there is no room for any shades of gray.

      Danielle isn’t perfect, behaves outside the norm of what they deem acceptable for a mother to behave, therefore she is evil and she must be taken down and exposed for the garbage she obviously is.

      And if that means physical violence, than so be it.

  108. Had Enough! says:

    I have a nit to pick. What was that BS Caroline was spouting about working off floor plans created by the people who are throwing the event? That is baloney. I’ve organized any number of large lunch and dinner events. We work with the facility to figure out how many tables/what kind of tables (rounds, rectangles) we need to seat everyone, with the size of the room being the limiting factor. So people don’t like rounds because everyone is so far apart from everyone but their nearest neighbor, but because rounds are more efficient in limited space, you pretty much have to use them. But beyond how many people/how to fit them all in, I have NEVER repeat NEVER been asked for a floor plan. Not one facility has ever asked me to tell them where the tables should go. Seating plans, yes, if we want to assign seating.

    And on top of that, it wasn’t that the table was in a bad place. There was no table at all.

    Now personally, I am of the view that Olivia is right and this is all contrived. But assuming it wasn’t, then it could just be that the event organizer didn’t give the Brownstone an accurate head count and/or Danielle showed up with more people than she said she’d bring. Last night she claimed it was just her, KimG, and Danny and the others showed up on their own. As I recall, Danny recruited that mob of creeps. But no matter why they were there, she should have told them that she’d only reserved for three. Assuming that they’d booked for three, there wouldn’t be an entire table for them. They’d likely be sharing a table with others.

    None of which doesn’t mean that Caroline isn’t totally full of shit.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      I have always thought that Danielle was set up that night.

      In her Bravo blog she says that a friend (who she names) bought a table of 20 for her and her friends. So that table WAS paid for. So where did it go? the Brownstone set it up that the table was gone, and Danielle would have to ask for it, and therefore create a scene.

      It back fired though because it just made them look like a poor business to be involved with, hence the constant back pedaling that Dina and Caroline had to do.

      Dina even used it as the reason why she left -which is such bullshit it hurts.

      The only place that we found out that the baby’s father was upset was from Caroline’s mouth.

      What I also never understood, was that Danielle claims that she raised 6K for the event and Dina, Theresa, Caroline and even Jacqueline said that was a lie. But how much did THEY contribute?

      It was a sick baby after all, so neither Dina or Caroline would swallow their hatred enough to go to the event or to give any $?

      They went on to bash Danielle for not posting the child’s website on her blog when they themselves did not contribute one red cent for this event! yeah easy to post the website AFTER the fact!

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        If anything I suspect that people showed up and paid at the door and sat at the table Danielle’s friend paid for. It was pretty clear that the Danielle Mafia showed up late which is why they didn’t have a table despite one being purchased.

        If they showed up when the doors opened, there is no way they would be standing around.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Why didn’t she say the number of guest expected to attend? That makes more sense.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        But if you were broke and couldn’t afford to contribute to a charity, so you went to a wealthier friend and that friend bought 20 tickets and gave them to you, why would you have to RSVP?

        Wouldn’t it be implied since the tickets were purchased?

        • MAMAZ says:

          The friend bought a table but it wasn’t for 20. I can’t remember the exact number but it was more like 6 or 8, whatever a normal round table seats.
          The father of the sick child gave an interview. The link to it was posted on Lynn’s blog at the time the episode aired. He was very upset about Danielle and her entourages behavior. On the episode Danielle was thrilled to have the “guests” Danny invited. Now she blames Danny for bringing them.

    • Seriously? says:

      Probably just a different situation, but I have always been asked to create a plan of the table locations in CAD. Worked for a major event production company producing corporate events. We had to include location of projectors, lights etc. so quite complex. We knew the number of people attending and based tables on that. Sometimes hard to get enough tables in, but you had to have them.

  109. iceNfire says:

    Hello Everyone – Just a thought, does anyone remember the “Fire Jill Zarin” petition?
    I wonder if it had anything to do with her part time status and if so how about a
    “Replace Andy Cohen with Jeff Lewis” petition.
    Major hate for Andy…Jeff would never play softball as host of reunion shows.
    ( sorry don’t remember who first mentioned this idea but I love it)

  110. Sha2000 says:

    Just on twitter & saw your pizza tweet Lynn…lol good one!

    • Had Enough! says:

      New game. Let’s call Guiseppe’s Homestyle Pizzeria and order delivery (OK PEOPLE YOU KNOW I AM KIDDING! DON’T ACTUALLY DO THIS) with all kinds of *appropriate* names. If you’ve ever looked at the menu, you know that he’s named a bunch of dishes for Mrs. Juicy Gorilla and the offspring. He’s even got a Happy Wife, Happy Life foot-long hot dog. OK, too gross to even imagine. Sorry people. I don’t make this shit up. I just report it.

      Now you know this is a famous pizzeria, right? This is the one the trustee listed as one of the businesses in which the couple failed to disclose an interest. Joe Giudice testified that his father actually owned the pizzeria. But our menu bore a picture of Teresa Giudice, listing her as the “owner.” Appetite killer if ever there was one.

      Let’s invent a few new menu items. Such as:

      Deadbeat Pizza, made with dough harvested from our own backyard

      Green salad, made with lettuce taken straight from our own freezer

      Pasta e fagioli (Warning: we tried to scoop out awlaT’s rocks but we mighta missed a few)

      Fabulous! fettucine – Our waitress will make stupid poses when she serves your dinner

      Tagliatelle – Like T’s momma never made, cuz she’s from Naples and this dish is from Emilia-Romagna in northern Italy

      StickyFingers Special – disgusting pizza-like mess of dough, sauce, and cheese that our fabulous kids played with

      SpankMeJoe Spaghetti – guaranteed to turn your stomach. Barf Bag on the side.

      Skinny Italian Special – an empty plate

  111. kats2 says:

    I don’t know about you but IF I’m going to spend any time watching any more TV,
    I’m ready for some non-HW TV, you know the kind of show that holds your interest because it’s just very interesting, really good writing and acting, and can even be reality tv but without stress and wasted energy on losers. Here are some of my favorites, I don’t keep up with them all, but will catch up during the reruns. Please feel free to hit reply and add to the list.

    1. America’s Next Top Model new cycle will be starting this week.
    (there’s also She’s Got the Look on TV Land this is a ANTM knock off designed for older models, inspiring how great these ladies look)
    2. Mad Men on AMC
    3. Nurse Jackie on Showtime
    4. United State of Tara on Showtime
    5. Weeds on Showtime
    6. Entourage season just ended on HBO
    7. Survivor new season will be starting soon (this season it will be old vs young)
    8. Bravo still has Top Chef, Flipping Out and RZ. (But I’m going to try and stay away from Bravo)
    9. Discovery Channel 0 just about anything
    10 The Office – big fan of this show should be starting new season soon on NBC

    • MAMAZ says:

      Love Mad Men and Weeds!
      I am enjoying Rubicon and can’t wait for AMC’s new show The Walking Dead. It starts on Halloween.
      What night is ANTM on? I watch it even though Tyra irritates the crap out of me. Does she have to do all those stupid skits and bad voices?

      • MAMAZ says:

        And Glee

      • kats2 says:

        Glee is good. ANTM should be on Wednesday. I hear ya about Tyra but still like her and in comparison to what we just had to watch she’s a picnic.

        • MAMAZ says:

          LOL, that’s true. I just HATE those voices. I’m embarrassed for her. Every accent she does comes out sounding like really bad Jamaican. It makes me cringe.
          I do like the show though and like the work Tyra has done with teen girls and self esteem building.

      • iceNfire says:

        Survivor is one of the few that can be seen by West Coasters during East Coast viewing.
        I’ve also set up a live chat and will be posting pictures on my Sadie non-blog. ( I leave the actual writing to bloggers )

      • Seriously? says:

        I love Mad Men and all that mid-century modern style.
        Used to love ANTM but the skits got to me. Also, the show began to seem somewhat abusive to the poor kids trying to be models. Don’t know anything about the modeling industry, but seriously, do they really treat the models that badly. I wouldn’t be surprised to see an episode where they have them pose hanging from a helicopter over an active volcano modeling designer ice cubes.

        • Diana says:

          I guarantee you that most models are treated horribly. And the money isn’t there the way many think it is until you really start landing big gigs or work very consistently. The field is huge, and to be a standout in it is beyond difficult. It’s like winning the lottery odds-wise to get noticed. It’s a twisted, treacherous world. Drug addiction, mental illness, and of course eating disorders are rampant. The suicide rate for lower and even mid-tier models is a rather well kept secret, though it’s starting to come out. Many girls end up “escorting” just to make ends meet. Frankly you are treated better working for a good escort service. Unless you are a “name” like Kate Moss, you are pretty much treated like shit–if even that good.

    • dumberries says:

      The Closer on TNT
      US of Tara & Dexter on Showtime (starts again end of this month)
      Psych on USA
      TrueBlood and Curb Your Enthusiasm on HBO
      For some reason Weeds and Entourage, which used to be my favorites, haven’t appealed to me as much lately – will watch them all in one day OnDemand..

      • MAMAZ says:

        I also like Bored To Death on HBO. The new season starts at the end of the month. It’s cute and quirky kinda like me!

    • Had Enough! says:

      White Collar!
      Covert Affairs!
      The Closer!
      No Reservations!

    • cdnfillie58 says:

      United States of Tara for me…love that show, but my favourite Dexter is back on next week…no one but no one disturbs me then

      • dumberries says:

        Dexter is my absolute favorite too – next season should be really interesting, though I’m still reeling from last season’s finale – intense!

        • BambiBaby22 says:

          Rescue Me…Californicatioin…The Big Bang Theory and I am really enjoying Rizzoli and Isles

          • Perjury, Fraud, & Lies says:

            Mad Men
            Nurse Jackie

            • kk says:

              True Blood
              Bill Maher
              The Big C
              Project Runway-
              US of Tara
              Nurse Jackie
              It’s me or the Dog
              NOVA-history channel is starting to suck
              Anthony Bourdan-TRV
              The Human Journey Series-BBC/TRV
              Top Gear–BBC
              Clean House-BBC very good it’s in syndication
              Gordan Ramsey-BBC version

              I’m very excited to watch Boardwalk Empire!!

          • fairydusted says:

            Bambi…..Lovin R & I on TNT as well. Hope it sticks!

  112. TT in OC (formerly An American Alien) says:

    Thank you all for saving me from watching RHONJ. I have to admit that I tried to watch it once and had to change channel after a couple minutes. Since then, I never watched a full episode. It is more fun to read your comments here, although I might watch the last 5 minutes of the reunion #2 … very curious about the fake apologies, hugs and kiss-up.
    One question: do you prefer fake Jill who “tried” to apology in the RHONY last reunion (which I did watch) OR stingy Caroline who “sticked” to “I/we hate Danielle” agenda? Because to me, it seems like Caroline is as bad a Jill in terms of showing her true colors.

    • kats2 says:

      @ TT in OC – Good question! I think they are really both the same or similiar enogh for me to put them in the same category. First of all they both have that same PR douchebag on the payroll so who knows what coaching they are getting. You are right they both showed their true colors and IF Caroline had apologized it would have been as fake as Jill’s. Jill was at the point of playing the Martyr during her reunion apology. It didn’t work. Caroline is a stone cold bitch. I give Jill a little more credit because during season one there were things about Jill I found to be very likeable. I’ve never had that moment with Caroline, saw her for what she was all along.

      • dumberries says:

        I agree, they are almost the same person to me at this point. Zarin tried to pull everyone together to shun one person, as did Caroline, imo. Both think they are the “connectors” – the glue holding their fellow HWs and families together. Neither can stand it when others make decisions or take action without consulting them first. Zarin hates to be left out; Caroline won’t let anyone in. The very worst thing they have in common is Patti Stanger. Zarin calls her a good friend (one of a zillion). And, Caroline, who rarely declares friendship, has called Stanger an old friend and a good friend. Enough said…

      • TT in OC (formerly An American Alien) says:

        Jill and Caroline should asked for their money back from those PR people.

        • MAMAZ says:

          I don’t find Caroline the slightest bit interesting. She doesn’t seem particularly bright or clever.

          • BambiBaby22 says:

            yeah, her life seems rather depressing. She seems to have no friends, but I am sure it would be hard to find time for friends with having to counsel the family all the time.

        • boston02127 says:

          @TT in OC (formerly An American Alien)–I’ve been wondering if PR people are responsible for the dramatic change in their looks? Do you know if PR people are responsible for that?

  113. Wall St Lady says:

    More monikers

    FillingsConfuse Us
    AndyMadeUS doIt

    I am desperately trying to catch up

  114. buffywood says:

    I saw this today and I couldn’t help but think this speaks to SO many of the idiot Houseswives and especially Ashley.

    It is usually attribed to Bill Gates but on-line it says this list is the work of Charles J. Sykes, author of the book Dumbing Down Our Kids: Why American Children Feel Good About Themselves But Can’t Read, Write, Or Add.

    Rule 1: Life is not fair – get used to it. The average teen-ager uses the phrase “It’s not fair” 8.6 times a day. You got it from your parents, who said it so often you decided they must be the most idealistic generation ever. When they started hearing it from their own kids, they realized Rule No. 1.

    Rule 2: The world won’t care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

    Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won’t be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

    Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss. When you screw up, he’s not going to ask you how you feel about it.

    Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for burger flipping – they called it opportunity. They weren’t embarrassed making minimum wage either. They would have been embarrassed to sit around talking about Kurt Cobain all weekend.

    Rule No. 6: It’s not your parents’ fault. If you screw up, you are responsible. This is the flip side of “It’s my life,” and “You’re not the boss of me,” and other eloquent proclamations of your generation. When you turn 18, it’s on your dime. Don’t whine about it, or you’ll sound like a baby boomer.

    Rule No. 7: Before you were born your parents weren’t as boring as they are now. They got that way paying your bills, cleaning up your room and listening to you tell them how idealistic you are. And by the way, before you save the rain forest from the blood-sucking parasites of your parents’ generation, try delousing the closet in your bedroom.

    Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools they have abolished failing grades and they’ll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn’t bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

    Rule No. 9: Life is not divided into semesters, and you don’t get summers off. They expect you to show up every day. For eight hours. And you don’t get a new life every 10 weeks. It just goes on and on. Very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.

    Rule No. 10: Television is not real life. Your life is not a sitcom. Your problems will not all be solved in 30 minutes, minus time for commercials. In real life, people actually have to leave the coffee shop to go to jobs. .

    Rule No. 11: Be nice to nerds. You may end up working for them. We all could.

    • TEB says:

      LOVE IT!!!!!!

    • dumberries says:

      I think you’re right; the Housewives and their offspring really need to brush up on these rules!

    • cusi77 says:

      I can relate to that. I am the “sandwich” generation, the ones who respected and obediently loved our Parents and now are scolded by our children… as they say in my Country of origin.

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      Rule #11, be nice to nerds, that is funny cuz I tell my girls that when they are looking for a boyfrined, don’t overlook the nerds.

  115. boston02127 says:

    A tweet from Kelly—-

    #iftwitterdidntexist we wouldnt be able to clue people in to the cool things happening near them. go twitter, keep us informed on whats hot

    Odd name—“iftwitterdidntexist”

    Earlier this morning (10:36) a poster by the name “ifclocksdidntexist” posted to Lynn a bunch of nasty crap.

    Things that make you go hmmm……..

    • Sha2000 says:

      As I said above ( I replied late so I’ll post it here again), when you click on the name “ifclocksdidntexist” it comes to a page that’s titled ifclocksdidntexist’S. I don’t think it’s Caroline but could be someone who likes to add S’s where they don’t belong…anyone know what time “Chanel’S” opens?

      • ShyAsrai says:

        althought misuse of the apostrophe s (denoting possession) is rampant, in the instance “anyone know when “chanel’s” opens?” the ‘s is correct, as it implies chanel’s store.

        also correct is “anyone know when chanel opens?”

        • Sha2000 says:

          My point was the misuse of the plural in the name ifclocksdidntexist’S.

          • Sha2000 says:

            The s would be unnecessary as it is an incorrect pronunciation of the name; the s would only be needed in openS. So “anyone know when Chanel opens?” would be the correct usage in this case. But in any case, I am now convinced it’s too much of coincidence as Boston cleverly pointed out. Good find Boston!

    • MAMAZ says:


    • cusi77 says:

      Boston_ I’ve just got solved the mystery about TG’s book signing yesterday at the Vdara, here in Las Vegas.

      Happens that it was NOT a private thing… it was a “Pool Party” (where she was signing books) when I arrived there the party was over… My hubby and I went to have dinner at The Mirage… Too many people in town for the long weekend, to run into her would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack!

      • boston02127 says:

        cusi– She must be desperate to be signing books at a pool party. LOL
        At least you got to go out to dinner. If you saw Teresa, she probably would have ruined your appetite. 🙂

      • fairydusted says:

        Hiya Neighbor! I live on the other side of town in Green Valley. I can’t bring myself to go see any of these ho’s.

    • lillybee says:

      Defiitely. hmmm.

      • Sha2000 says:

        Wow Boston, I think you’ve solved the puzzle! I didn’t see the Kelly part initially because I typically don’t read posts regarding Kelly. I do think you are right, too much of a coincidence.

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          huh- how do you like that? I just went back up thread and reread it with Kelly’s voice in my head. (now I have a headache-thanks Boston- JK!)

          Her voice actually fits better than Caroline’s. Hmmm…

          So that must mean she lurks here, day after day, after day. getting all pissed off about our comments.


          If you’re there-out there-GO TO SLEEP!

    • TrueLifeDiva says:

      Why is a 42yr old woman worried about “what’s hot”? I mean really? You have to Twitter to get info? I read magazines, watch t.v., and talk to friends and decide for myself what’s hot or not. What a dumbass!

    • ok, so Lynn I wrote Andy a very nice note to his blog. told him i was from NJ and that i loved him. Said i felt bad about what he had to go thru on the day of taping the reunion show. told him i had 2 questions for him 1)will there be a RHODC REUNION? And 2) can we get the great”housewives”blogger Lynn Hudson on WWHL.? We could just sneak her in the back door when JZ isn’t watchin! it would make for some very interesting TV. Andy i know you wont post this, but maybe you’ll see it and consider it!
      Cuz that..would be really good TV. respectfully yours, Beverly

      whataya think lynn! he posted my letter!”a fan from NJ loves Andy” no joke lookitup

      • i dont know why this posted up here, expected it to be last post of the night, im just tired now.

      • WWHL Needs Lynn says:

        I hope he likes your idea and reaches out to Lynn!
        WWHL would really become “must see” TV for that episode. Lynn will need to wear thigh high boots to protect herself from Jill’s bullsh!t.
        Great idea!

  116. SillyMe says:

    omg i just finished watching the second part of the reunion and i cringed seeing caroline’s behavior especially the last part when she kept saying everyone was phony…i used to like her but she clearly was a hypocritical bully here…i don’t like danielle either but caroline’s no better herself! She kept on insisting that danielle answer her question about when she has ever attacked danielle yet she couldn’t answer danielle’s question about ever attacking her! urghhh! i can’t stand her wise ass attitude! and that old lady Kim G ewww! 😉

    • Sherry says:

      Yeah, that thing Caroline always says about hanging around garbage and you start to smell like it? Well I grew up with another saying: A fox smells his own hole first. Caroline=PUUUUUU

      And Andy the big disappointment, conducting the one-sided reunion show. I remember right after Dina left the show, he either mentioned on his show or in his blog that he spent a weekend with Dina’s family doing something or other. So that is why it was so one sided. He’s in cahoots with the Manzo family.

      Watch out Andy, you are starting to stink too.

  117. TT in OC (formerly An American Alien) says:

    Bravo is rerunning the reunion part one right. It only took me about 30 seconds to change the channel …. couldn’t stand those women yelling at each other, especially Caroline kept interrupting when Danielle tried to respond to a question. Well, if I time it right, I might be able to watch the last 5 minutes of part two as I wish.

  118. iceNfire says:

    Seems to me that we suggested our favorite shows for Lynn to blog about before.

    Really, Really, Really, hate to use a quote used by Caroline but….

    If it’s not broke don’t fix it…..Bravo is your thing Lynn. Well done Dear.

    And to think I’ve known you since hubs ; )

    • iceNfire says:

      Oh Shoot forgot to say – Excellent Radio interview!

      • Perjury, Fraud, & Lies says:

        Lynn did a great job and got her points across well while coming across as intelligent and humble. Despite the blog title IHJZ, there was no hate or malice in Lynn’s comments.

  119. Wall St Lady says:

    I have herd several times that Jac L was a stripper in Vegas. Where did this come from.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      WSL-I missed you!

      In an online hometown NJ newspaper article along time ago when RHONJ was first cast, someone wrote in the comments section that 2 of the cast mates were former strippers. Everything that this commenter wrote was so on the money, they knew about Theresa’s finances, Dina’s MIA husband that when another poster dug it up, it seemed like the commenter had a crystal ball.

      So back to the strippers:

      Well, we know about Danielle, so who was the other one? can’t be Dina or Caroline, they’re big time mafia daughters, no way would their family let them strip. Same way with Theresa who has known Juicy since she was 5 and their families are from the same village in Italy.

      So who does that leave?

      Also explains the friction between J. and the judgmental Caroline. Also explains Caroline’s little stripper speech on the reunion show.

    • Char212 says:

      I was wondering that too WSL.

      • Sha2000 says:

        Out of the blue on her blog this summer J addressed how she met her husband; she said she was a model at a car show or something like that in LV. Maybe she wanted to dispel the rumors? She doesn’t seem to fit the profile, in personality (she seems somewhat shy) or body type (she is more normal in size)…maybe the comment was wrong?

    • Sherry says:

      Same here. Can’t remember where I heard it.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Anonymous rumor & Danielle.

      I’d be surprised if Jacq was that “interesting” with a bad, bad girl past. But ya never know.

      ”But just ’cause people say it, doesn’t make it true. (tm, j. zaaaaarrrin)

    • fairydusted says:

      WSL…..Don’t you know all us housewives in Vegas swing around poles. Like Jac I was a cosmotologist here as well when I was young.

  120. Sherry says:


    Congrats on such a great website. It is more informative than any news outlet. I hope it is a stepping stone for bigger and better things for you, because you’ve clearly got a knack for it!

    What a difference than looking at Bravo blogs. I kept wondering to myself, has the world gone mad? How can soooo many people look up to and admire these housewives, like Teresa. LOL.

    Then I found this blog, where the truthful opinions and a boat load of facts reside.

    It’s way better than watching the shows!

    • Perjury, Fraud, & Lies says:

      Definitely better than watching the shows!
      What happens off camera is more interesting than the shows.
      There are great fact finders here, Lynn included of course.

  121. Mikey says:

    My final thoughts on the show:

    [1] Ashley’s Boyfriend – I hope Ashley’s boyfriend will realize what a nutcase that family is and leave. Ashley seems like the type that is dumber than a box of rocks, and will not amount to anything. If you wanted low-IQ kids, I guess Ashley is your girl! she’s definately not stellar breeding stock for any man’s future offspring. If you are smart, you’d run!!! and get out while you still can!

    [2] Caroline – I used to kind of like Caroline, but she still can’t just let it go. Wasn’t she the one that wanted to put things behind and have a meeting. Now she keeps the grudge going (for what, its not like Danielle is coming back for another season?). I’ve had lots of feuds and fights with people and just because you make peace doesn’t mean they’re right or you are agreeing with them. I know you can’t go on fighting people forever — but in Caroline’s mind you can. She is like the Energizer Bunny of Grudges. Keeps on going! It seems like a lot of wasted energy to keep up some stupid feud. just let it go. Caroline looks bad here, just as she looked bad during her sit-down with Danielle. Life is about letting go. You get rid of the old in your life, to make room for the new. Its just not worth it. I don’t care how much you try to rationalize your position, or explain it away. It is still bad. If you can’t let go of things in life, you can’t move forward. We’ve all had things done to us, we’ve all had enemies, but we move on. Danielle is a trainwreck, but at least I think she’s grown a tiny bit. Caroline seems like she’s frozen in time. Always keeping score of who has done wrong to her, and living in the past. seems like way too much energy to me. To quote Bethanny Frankel “maybe you need to get a new hobby”.

    [3] Andy Cohen is at his lowest point ever. I know he’s gay — but girlfriend, man-up and get control of your show, or at least check your voicemail — because your balls are back from the cleaners and they’re waiting for you to pick them up. Andy Cohen’s drinking on his “live shows” are like a bad channelling of Uncle Arthur from Bewitched. Andy, I’m sooo over you. Andy seems not in control of things, not of his shows, his guests or anything, and gives the impression of being, “spineless”. Ouch the truth hurts.

    [4] Kim G is a tragic plastic surgery disaster that seems like she’d be more well-placed on the OC Housewives. Maybe Vicki Gunvalsen needs a new best friend? Time to switch coasts. I can’t stand Kim G, what else can I say.

    • TT in OC (formerly An American Alien) says:

      In regards to Caroline, if the “rumor” of Dina and her family has something to do with the mafia is true, it might explain her grudges. Isn’t it true that the mafia always keeps score. They won’t forget and move on, they tend to “destroy/remove” their enemies. Or did I watch too much TV/movies?

      • Mikey says:

        The highest ambition of her child is to be “the owner of a stripclub/carwash” maybe Ashley can be in the strip club.

        • kk says:

          I wish someone would have asked Caroline if she would be happy if her Daughter (can’t remember name, not Ash) worked at her brother’s strip club.

      • dumberries says:

        I don’t know, by this definition, Zarin would be a mafia leader – she’s the queen of grudge-holding and score-keeping. The Manzos may or may not be connected, but I think Caroline and Zarin are just domineering control freaks…

    • flippy says:

      Oh Mikey that got the best laugh of the night. I almost spit out my beer on that one, girlfriend. Thank you so much for the following (it bears repeating its so funny)….

      Andy Cohen is at his lowest point ever. I know he’s gay — but girlfriend, man-up and get control of your show, or at least check your voicemail — because your balls are back from the cleaners and they’re waiting for you to pick them up. Andy Cohen’s drinking on his “live shows” are like a bad channelling of Uncle Arthur from Bewitched.

      I loved Uncle Arthur…he was my all time favorite and thats saying alot because between Endora and Aunt Clara and Uncle Arthur that show was a hoot!

      • dumberries says:

        @flippy – there were some great characters on that show. I loved Uncle Arthur and Endora too. Darwood, lol… And, to this day, whenever someone is described as a nosy busybody, I get a mental picture of Gladys Kravitz. Kim G is a Gladys Kravitz on booze.

  122. ches says:

    I wonder if Theresa declared her income, on the bancruptcy papers, from the tanning salon ads she was doing a few months ago.

    • Sue says:

      No. Nor the book signings, personal appearances or table flippings (seriously — in Delaware). Nor the planned second book.

    • dumberries says:

      I believe the Sizzle Tan gig was negotiated a couple of months after the bankruptcy filing (unlike the book deal which was negotiated the week prior to the filing). So, she wouldn’t have declared the Sizzle Tan income when applying for the Chapter 7 bankruptcy. But, if the Gs request to have the debt dismissed is denied (crossing fingers) and the court orders them into Chapter 13 instead, it is my understanding that presents and future income can be included in developing a payback plan.

      • TT in OC (formerly An American Alien) says:

        I am so impressed that how many of well-educated and intelligent ladies (and gentlemen) are on this blog.

        @dumberries: I know a little about Chapter 11, I learnt Chapter 7 from this blog. What is Chapter 13?

        • dumberries says:

          Gosh, I hope I’ve got this right, but one of our great legal minds will correct me if not. @Dani posted a quick definition of the BK chapters a few days back. Chapter 13 is personal bankruptcy with no dismissal of debt – a repayment plan is required. Chapter 11, I believe, is a business bankruptcy filing…

          • OneMoreinBoston says:

            My dad voluntarily took Chapter 13, even though he qualified for Chapter 7 in order to teach us kids to have the personal integrity to pay back what you owe.

  123. TT in OC (formerly An American Alien) says:

    I just watched the apologies, the hugs and the final yelling. I have to said it’s a little creepy. Frankly, I think Danielle does treasure her friendship with Jac. And boy, what can I say about Caroline? On one hand, I “admire” her stick to her principle/belief and not to be fake. On the other hand, I don’t think her final nasty comment is necessary. You guys are right, she doesn’t like Jac. to grow a backbone and speak up.

    Oh well, onto “flipping out”.

  124. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Does anyone remember the resentment the Others had for Danielle when Dina left? Funny now that Danielle is gone, we haven’t heard any of the women say anything about Dina coming back. Dina it seems, is salivating, circling the women, making appearances for the play, making you tube videos with her cats and Lexi… you know desperate to be seen. Some here, have said that she keeps tweeting that fans keep asking her back, yet BRAVO has not. I think her ship has sailed. She left. Caroline stated that she wasn’t like them. In other words soft. Unable to take it. I am positive that all of them don’t care to have Dina back, thinking she’ll take over as the overtly zen, pretty one, with the important charity work. The women have their roles and are not willing to share.

  125. Minton says:

    I need to thank Lynn effusively for posting the BK document on the Guidices.

    I like reading it because it is cold hard fact methodically detailed by a learned and responsible person to place in front of a court of law. It is a huge relief from the smoke and mirrors and innuendos and bad acting and hystrionics that then entire RH series eventually degrades into. Tell me, after three series, do any of the Bravo RH make any of them seem like better people?

    Back to the BK. There it is in cold hard legal document. Perjury. Misrepresentation. IRS fraud. And then the prior judgement against Juicy spelling out that he/they were negligent slumlords. Awful, awful stuff. No one I know would be able to sleep at night, or be able to send their children to school with such public information.

    Don’t believe a word about Teresa quitting the show. They have no other source of income. Anything she does is only to make more money, by threatening one way or another to leave the show. Personally, I think it is unethical of Bravo to be dealing with this family.

    • dumberries says:

      I agree Minton – it is unethical for Bravo to be dealing with the Guidices. I hope they will eventually be prosecuted for perjury, tax evasion and forgery (for the loan paper Joe allegedly signed for his biz partner). But, until they are convicted, I guess they have to be assumed innocent by an employer, and Bravo has long lost concern for ethics, imo. Betchya Bravo will push like crazy to get their downward spiral on film…

  126. I think Lynn Hudson should be a guest on Andy Cohens WWHL show !!!
    Who else agrees with me? Don’t we think she would represent the “REAL” fans of the shows?! she would give us a voice, and i for one want to listen!! send your requests to Andy cohen @ watch What Happens Live. that’s what i did. if you are on facebook talk to him there. I’ll call page 6 tmro. can’t hurt. lets do this people..it’ll be fun

  127. TrueLifeDiva says:

    Can anyone tell me if my new avatar is up? I fell in love with the princess pumps worn by Rita Wilson to this years Emmy’s 😉

  128. Rabble Rouser says:

    After a long but great Labor Day BBQ and a few bevies down the hatch, I watched the reunion. I thought maybe it was the wine until I read everyone’s replies because the whole thing was sureal. I fell asleep towards the end and thought I dreamt the whole thing up.

    Danielle has the wounded dove act down to a t. She really knows how to sit there all demure like butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth while Teresa the screaming banshee is about to throw a hair bush at her. She totally reminds me of the sales clerk or teller or cashier who tells the angry customer to “Have a nice day”. If in Danielle’s mind a hand shake is a psychological F- You then a hug must be a F-You gently with a rusty chain saw.

    I noticed the decor of the room had playing cards behind it, while it was some what in theme, in reality that whole stage was more like a chess board. Every single move each of those women made was strategic be it a hasty retreat to your “lover” waiting in the wings to jumping off the couch that makes a Tom Cruise profession of love look sane in comparison.

    Jac is either bipolar or clever. She verbally assaulted Danielle for house- then suddenly wanted to put the breaks on it. My hunch is she knew something was probably about to come out that she didn’t want revealed. Of course a “Love and Light” Danielle couldn’t come after her once the olive branch was extended. Of course her stupid thoughtless little pig daughter couldn’t even contain that Jac would do something unexpected given her tweet about not speaking to her mother for a whole week- as if that is suppose to be a threat or a deterrent.

    Teresa, what could be said about her other than you can take the girl outta Patterson but you can’t take Patterson outta the girl (No offense to folks from Patterson, I am sure you are more evolved than that Gorilla Teresa). I thought her head was going to start spinning around and the words Help Me would be seen etched into her skin. I think Caroline got a glimpse of who her friend really is. She the type of girl who uses the C word with the same ease as asking someone to “Please pass the salt”. She is the type of woman who lies under oath. She is the same time of person who accrues 11 million dollars of debt then has the audacity to say she always lives with in her means.

    Caroline seemed to be channeling Nancy Grace on both shows. She would ask a question then interrupt into attack mode before anyone had a chance to start to answer. If I had to hear her say one more time “Okay- you speak- then IT’S MY TURN” I think I would have told her to STFU once and for all. If anyone doesn’t understand the dynamics of a two way conversation it’s her.

    Kim G, although not a housewife honed into my suspicions that her financial circumstances are about to change when she explained that her relationship with Kim D as “she is the step sister of my ex-husband / her mother is married to my FIL”. I’m calling it- she needs the money. She is already make such grandiose and outrages lies about her wealth such as getting an 80K chinchilla coat and the ever flowing Cristal.

    I must have fallen asleep when they announced that it would be Danielle’s last show. Of course I wonder that the back story is and if she gets a spin off what network is going to pick it up.

    I am hoping the lost footage episode is shows some of the things that were eluded to such as Kim G and her daughter telling Danielle that Ashely was into the coke.

  129. anniieee says:

    @Rabble Rouser—Caroline seemed to be channeling Nancy Grace on both shows.

    Best line ever.

    • Anniieee says:

      I guess her apology to Teresa was for show. Didn’t hold back about how she really felt. Seems like she is now able to say whatever she wants. She is gone and Bravo can’t control her anymore.

    • dumberries says:

      Oooh, you know Teresa will be fuming when she read this one. I love that she talked about the ridiculous drunk driving scenario. Was a little surprised that she went there about the ape-like hairline, but I think Teresa has criticized Danielle’s looks many times, so I guess all is fair…

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Thanks southie neighbor!

      how true is this:

      “I said this from the beginning: In time everyone will be exposed. I don’t have to say anything. They’re exposing themselves”

      And every single damning situation has been of their own making.

    • kk says:

      I went to article link where Danielle was to have said this for Stepping Out and I couldn’t find any interview or article with Danielle. Can anyone else find the REAL article not the reference one? Thanks.

    • humbruh says:

      “She needs a hairline revision,” Staub told editor Chaunce Hayden. “Planet of the Apes has nothing on her!”

      Bless your heart, Danielle. You took what all of us were thinking and put it in print.

    • humbruh says:

      Staub added, “She reminds me of Cornelius from Planet of the Apes. Could you imagine if her face is that hairy what her body hair must be like? It’s got to be out of control.”

      Without a contract Danielle is no longer obligated to keep her mouth shut. Oh the dirt this woman must have in her arsenal! Let the games begin!

    • dumberries says:

      I don’t know how old Kim G is, but she looks good. I don’t get why women in their 50s are running around in hot pink bikinis, but maybe I’m just a pearl clutcher…

      • Kat says:

        There is something to be said for aging with grace and dignity. Pink bikinis aren’t for most of us as time and gravity start to win. It has nothing to do with pearls unless they are of wisdom.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          While she is thin and seems to have had her boobs done, she is no Barberella. IMO she would look much better in something a bit more modest.

    • KellitaM says:

      I don’t like her, but she does look good in a bikini for her age. I thought I heard she’s really into Pilates.

      • Sha2000 says:

        She does look more mature but good. That particular bikini however looks like something a 5 year old would wear.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Did you read the comments?

      “Beauty fades but implants last forever”


      • MAMAZ says:

        I think she looks pretty good too but has no taste in clothes. And no matter how good she looks that mouth on her ruins everything.

  130. boston02127 says:

    Jacqueline told Life & Style that her peace making with Danielle “had more to do with putting an end to an emotionally draining season.” Jacqueline went on to state “It’s different to forgive than to give up…I just gave up. We had been taping for 12 hours, and I was exhausted. I just wanted everything to go away. That’s why I did it. I just couldn’t deal with it anymore.


  131. Brigid says:

    Just hopping in for a bit of shameless self promotion.

    Ya’ll don’t know me really – I lurk on here – but I feel like I know you all from reading your comments! Very occasionally I post. But every time you come here you see some of my handiwork (the background graphic of Kelly is some of mine – I plan on doing all the housewives – as time allows – OY!)

    Anyhoo I’m blogging for GeekMom.com a new website associated with GeekDad.com with is associated with Wired.com – phew that’s a mouthful!

    My very first post is up and I wanted to share it with you lovely ladies.


    Okay – sorry for the hijacking – now back to your regularly scheduled programming!


  132. Wall St Lady says:

    We play musical chairs be4 each new Blog.
    I think Joy is the farthest away & I didn’t want u to miss her cool blog. Forgive me if u read it.

    We get rockets all the time, but I’m not “outside the wire” as they say, so other than it being hot and extremely dirty, it’s not so bad–it can always, always be worse. The ground attacks (members of the Taliban enter base) are gut clenching, but are not frequent and end up with dead Taliban. Really after a rocket attack, especially one that hits close (and explodes) there is a sense of life-affirmation and I get especially giggly. I was with a Nepali man during the last one and I think he thought I was insane because I kept giggling while we took cover on the floor in my office.

    Re: The withdrawal. The Afghans are a patient people. The Taliban has waited and battled 9 years. What is another 11 months? I worry about the troops left behind after the draw-down. I worry about the Afghan men I have met that have told me about their families and their children, who know if the US leaves, they must go back to the Taliban lifestyle. I worry about the women–it’s the worst place on the planet for women, but it’s better than it was before. I worry about the third country nationals who are depending on these jobs to support their families and with what they are getting paid, it’s pretty bad at home.

    By Joy on September 7, 2010 at 11:40 pm

  133. Anitabee says:

    Good Morning lovely ladies:


    I’ve been trying to catch up on the blog so pls excuse me if this was already posted but I am starting to formulate a theory.

    ZenJen, the blogger,really thinks that Danielle was Fired right BEFORE the reunion. Seeing how the reunion started with a bang and then soon fizzled out in Part 2 I have to believe what one poster commented somewhere that during a break Andy Cohen must have told these women that Danielle was not coming back.

    It would not make a difference to Caroline. Jacqi being the twit she is would have then felt bad for Danielle hence the light bulb moment where she decides to forgive Danielle. Cuz you know she did not call her daughter a coke whore on TV, wish Ashley dead, and press charges on Ashley, and make false charges against Ashley in Criminal Court. Jacqui – you are one STUPID boob.

    Teresa probably wonder what?! Bravo actually lets go of Ho’wives for reals? I better sit in my seat and think if I ever did anything bad enough to have this psycho stalk me and my family after the show.

    How brilliant of Andy to undermine his own reunion cuz obviously these reunions are all about Andy not the fans of the show.

    So I’ve been wondering why Danielle hasn’t unleased hell on her former costars? Well on “Real City Housewife’s” Blog a commenter by the moniker of “jersey” wrote that Danielle has moved to New York State. Hmmm…dare I think it?

    Will Danielle make an apearance on Real Housewives of New York? Think about it for a second. What would cause more drama now that Bethenny is gone? Jill and Kelly need a third now that LuAnn no longer wants to spend time with them.

    What is that evil Andy Cohen up to now???

  134. Are we still on this page? I found another podcast that talks about The Housewives.
    I was web-stalking Danielle, trying to find-out if she’s appearing with her GF(?) at a lesbian event in Florida, and I opened this podcast thinking it would be about Lori M (Danielle’s GF(?)) & Danielle………………turns-out, the first part is all about a Jill Zarin & family book-signing event. Thought I’d pass it on here for anyone who likes to listen to podcasts while they’re online.
    You have to scroll-down to the first podcast, its in the second post from the top;

  135. Christy says:

    I just read Teresa’s Sept. 10th blog entry on Bravo’s site. She is supposedly addressing all the rumors out there in regards to her family. Interestingly, she side steps the rumor that Joe has an illegitimate child. From watching her reaction to Danielle bringing up her “nephew”, that really can be the only explanation. A husbands cheating is what would bring up those types of emotions, not the fact that she didn’t go to the hospital to welcome the arrival of a brother’s baby. She needs to be careful with what she says, because she is going to get caught up in her own lies.

  136. It is actually very easy to definitively trace a tweet, as I explain in my blog. All you have to do is click “in reply to”. http://oldbroad.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/did-danielle-staub-wish-death-upon-ashley-holmes/

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