I Hate Jill Zarin Top Chef Reunion/ Top Chef Just Desserts Sept 25, 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin Top Chef Reunion/Top Chef Just Desserts Sept 25, 2010

Overall I enjoyed the reunion, I don’t think we needed those ridiculous morphing baby photos, it was actually a little uncomfortable to watch, even the chef’s seemed to be nervous laughing and not really thinking it was all that funny…but that’s Bravo for you, they seem to think we’re all Jr. High School age and enjoy stupidity like that.

Head Judge Tom Colicchio, continues to have that “I don’t give a damn” attitude. He seems to be completely over this show and was even called out during the reunion for being crabby this season. He has “checked out” to the point where I truly believed that he would not appear on next seasons All Star version of Top Chef. Right before the episode aired, Chef Tom tweeted this:

@Tom_Colicchio: Find out what went down with the pea puree, the fan favorite and what is in Padma’s future. Tune in to tonight’s reunion.

He makes it sound as though “Padma’s future” is the All Star upcoming season and he’s not a part of it, certainly no other project for Padma was announced on the reunion. Just yesterday Bravo put out a short synopsis of the show and Tom’s name is included but rumors were flying that Anthony Bourdain would replace Tom in the upcoming season 8 of Top Chef.

The other thing that Chef Tom lets fly is the fact that “Fan Favorite” was supposed to be announced on the reunion show but Andy Cohen’s ego ensured that it was announced on his Watch What Happens Live. This was really unfair to viewers and contestants. Wouldn’t it have been nice for the rest of the chef’s, judges and hosts to be there for the announcement and be allowed to congratulate Tiffany?

I’m sure it was a nice concession for Tiffany to get a big ole congrats from Andy’s folks! (Sarcasm) I get the impression that Chef Tom isn’t nearly as impressed with Andy Cohen as Cohen is with himself and announcing the fan favorite is just one example of that. Obviously if Tom thought the announcement was to be made on the reunion show, which is what was expected and Andy taking that away from the cast of the show was very selfish! He did the same thing last season and worse, the winner wasn’t even in the studio, he was on a horribly inadequate web cam via Skype.

This season’s winner, Kevin, was asked if he felt he had an advantage and won because he had Top Chef Winner of season 6, Michael Voltaggio as his suet chef. I think that very same thought was going through many people’s minds. I don’t think it is too much of a stretch to say that Michael is a cut above the rest of the chef’s who’ve appeared on Top Chef. I only wish Kevin’s response had shown more confidence in himself. Rather than saying he could have won with either Michael or Hung, he should have said, I was the winner regardless of who helped me prepare that final meal.

I still think Ed is a bit of a sissy and while he didn’t outright blame Ilan, his suet chef, he certainly didn’t give the man any credit. I was happy to see Padma give Ilan a bit of a boost, he always seems to get those little digs insinuating that he’s not as good as the other Top Chef winners but Padma reminded us that he did, after all, beat the bunch and win the title, he must be a pretty darn good chef!

The reunion brought us a lot of montage’s including one entitled Kenny vs. Angelo. We watched a distinct change in Angelo through the season as his confidence seemed to be slowly taken away from him. Bravo’s editing surely could have had a hand in the change as they may have wanted Angelo to be more likable once they decided to bring him back on to the All Stars show. I would have really liked for Kenny to have been included in All Stars because I don’t think we’ve seen all of his talents. Clearly Bravo has chosen personalities over talent for its All Star cast! More about the All Stars in a minute.

The pea puree mystery was still not solved, while Angela insists she watched Alex prepare the peas, Kelly added that she saw Alex buy the peas at the store. Tiffany just doesn’t believe it and Ed didn’t seem to think that Angela was a credible witness. Chef Tom insists that there is no footage of Alex preparing a puree, Ed leaving his prepared puree behind or anyone taking the puree out of the cooler, Andy adds that if any of that footage existed, it would surely have been aired. Of course Alex continues to declare his innocence stating he’d never steal but Tiffany insisted Alex appeared nervous and guilty.

Yes, Tiffany announced just one day later on Watch What Happens Live that Alex was innocent but I think that was what she was told to do, I really do. It seemed scripted and obviously her opinion didn’t change overnight.

Kenny didn’t seem all that pleased as he was presented with a t-shirt that read “Beast In The Kitchen” but he did treat viewers to the same words tattooed onto his chest, I could have lived without that display.

I thought the montage of Stephen’s criticisms was hysterical. Clearly this guy’s cooking was abysmal and it makes you wonder how he even got on the show to begin with. There has to be chef’s out there that auditioned for the show that could have performed better, it makes you wonder about the people who chose the cast. The wide array of adjectives used to describe how bad his food was kept me laughing, but I wonder if he found it funny?

There were some really great Montage’s of the chef’s in the “Stew Room”, Angelo is a Russian spy and the Judges Blooper reel but the best had to be the practical jokes that the chef’s played on each other. I think the budget for plastic wrap had to be astronomical! Bravo did a nice job overall with the reunion, overlooking the idiotic “if they had a baby together” nonsense, the show was really great.

Even in the judges blooper’s Chef Tom didn’t seem as though he was enjoying his gig anymore. I really think he’s done, he may still be under contract but I believe that his days on this show are numbered.

Kevin correctly named all six previous Top Chefs in order, winning all of the contestants a slew of wine from the Quick Fire line. Kevin certainly is joining a talented group including, Harold from Season one, Ilan from Season two, Hung from Season three, Stephanie from Season four, Hosia from Season five and Michael from Season six. These seven chefs are certainly a talented group.

The All Star cast was announced on the reunion show, and they are:

Elia Aboumrad; Season 2
Stephen Asprinio; Season 1
Richard Blais; Season 4
Jennifer Carroll; Season 6
Tiffany Derry; Season 7
Tiffani Faison; Season 1
Carla Hall; Season 5
Mike Isabella; Season 6
Jamie Lauren; Season 5
Dale Levitski; Season 3
Antonia Lofaso; Season 4
Spike Mendelsohn; Season 4
Angelo Sosa; Season 7
Dale Talde; Season 4
Casey Thompson; Season 3
Marcel Vigneron; Season 2
Fabio Viviani; Season 5
Tre Wilcox; Season 3

Some of these chefs were ion 7th or 8th position during their time on Top Chef, leading me to believe that the real heavy hitters who didn’t actually win like Bryan Voltaggio or Kevin Gillespie either refused the invitation or producers felt that they would dominate the rest of the contestants. Possibly it was only personalities that mattered. Jamie Lauren for example, she was eliminated in 7th position during season 5 but was a guest blogger during a few seasons and seemed to have some fans perhaps that is the reason for her inclusion.

Personally, I’m sick to death of Marcel, his face seems to appear in one way or another every year, I just don’t find him very interesting. His attitude is ridiculous and he’s obnoxious.

I would have liked to see Cliff return, Cliff was disqualified for his stunt of trying to shave Marcel’s head. Yes, it was wrong, he admitted he was wrong and sincerely apologized to all of his cast mates. He was a strong chef and made a mistake, he deserves another chance.

I like many of the choices, Casey from Season 3 and Fabio from Season 5 definitely deserve another shot at the crown.
Some of the judges picked their favorites, Gail pointed to Tre and Tom mentioned Tiffany from Season One reminding viewers just how close she was to beating Harold. Eric noted that he’d be rooting for Jennifer as she’s now working for him but also didn’t discount Marcel.

This season is scheduled to begin airing in December and I’m looking forward to it.

Top Chef Just Desserts

Gail Simmons is doing a great job of impersonating Padma, in fact, she’s better at it than Padma. I think Gail has picked up all of the good characteristics of Padma and left the bad all while displaying many good traits of her own. She looks amazing and has just the right amount of compassion without showing favorites. It must be difficult, she knows that she is going to be compared to Padma and I think she’s performing admirably.

The chef’s Quick Fire challenge is to create a dessert using penny candy, they were all pretty creative with the exception being Seth who absolutely loses his mind and cries because he didn’t quite finish his dish. Falling into the arms of the judge and crying, “the Red Hots are for my mommy”. Really Seth? I’m speechless, and I’m never speechless.

The bottom three in the challenge include Seth along with Eric and Heather C. The good news follows and Heather H, Zack and winner Danielle are called out as the top three. Zach very classy tells the others to “Suck it bitches!” And so Danielle has immunity for the elimination challenge.

The chefs are given ten minutes to shop behind a well- stocked bar loaded with liquor and fruit and are told to prepare a dessert based on their favorite cocktail. Cry baby, Seth pulls the short straw and is the last one to shop leaving little ingredients and naturally what Seth has in mind is already been picked over forcing him to make another choice, more crying, screaming and swearing ensues as the other contestants try to cheer him on but Seth sees it as harassment and has another melt down in front of the judges.

Eric, who is not a trained pastry chef but works in a bakery seems to think, like all of the others, that his days are numbered due to his lack of knowledge in advanced techniques. Ensuring that no other contestant include pineapple in their dessert, Eric who happened to pull number one took all of the pineapple and prepared a pineapple upside down cake. This was good enough to land him in the top three regardless of its simplicity.

Seth prepares some insanely complicated gin based dish including eleven different elements that results in an odd looking blue cake and landing him in the bottom three where he tells judges that he can’t promise not to break down and cry again in the future. Still not enough to send him home, Tim’s soupy custard was pronounced almost inedible and he was sent packing.

Yigit, Eric and Erika come out on top with Erika winning it all having prepared a dessert based on a Margarita, what’s not to love?
Still a bit early to try to predict the winner, there is no doubt that both Yigit and Erika are showing a lot of promise.

Housewives News

Dina Manzo had another Twitter war, this time in private as she sent Direct Messages to a Twitter friend, @AMerems and involving our very own @PutYourHairUp (Real City Housewife). Here’s what I know:

These two lovely ladies were discussing between themselves the wedding of Dina and Tommy Manzo and commenting on those insanely expensive 500 butterflies that Dina ordered to be placed in the centerpieces at her reception.
Apparently Our Real City Housewife has made an impact with her hysterically funny blogs and this concerned Dina. Dina sent a private message to @AMerems asking her to convince RCH not to write a blog about the cost of her wedding, here are Dina’s private Tweets:

@DinaManzo: tell putyourhairup it was a MILLION dollars Pay attention PULEEEEEZE ; ) BTW It wasn’t even close 2 that, pays w OWN the place & pull favors

@DinaManzo: My husband & I work very hard for what we have. We live very comfortably but we don’t have BH money, watch & see…don’t be mean

@DinaManzo: AND I wasn’t putting them down, I said it should be interesting. God bless them for doing well. GOOD NIGHT!

@DinaManzo: I was telling YOU to be nice, but I see u are a tweethole like the rest of them. Sorry, time to block yo ass…xo : )

This is the explanation from @AMerems:

Hi, we were talking about her butterfly for $500 on Twitter, Putourhair up & I , she said she should had save $ from the wedding & fix her house & what a waste the butterfly’s were. Dina saw those tweets and sent me the msgs. Today, I was telling Twighlight about the DM’s last night and they used her real twitter name when talking about it, (the wedding the butterfly etc.) Then Dina saw it & DM’d me again with that last tweet all I did was relate the message she had ask me to deliver & told the story tonight to the rest of the girls.

Dina has a horrible temper and while she tries to portray herself as “Zen” and a nice person, don’t be fooled for a minute. If you missed the Twitter war that I had with Dina a few weeks back, here is the link to that detailing the incident:


In addition to Dina’s nasty tweets that she will either send in private DM’s or she’ll later delete so that they no longer appear in her timeline, she tweets under the name of her cat, Grandma Wrinkles with some of the foulest, nastiest, disgusting material I’ve ever seen! She deletes those too but I’ve documented those in past blogs as well.

This woman has some real anger issues and while it has been widely reported that her marriage is a sham, her husband cheats and she basically lives alone with her daughter, she has already put out there that over the top wedding. I don’t really understand why she’s concerned about a blogger reporting on it again it isn’t new information. I would even go as far as to say that Dina is just as unstable as Kelly Bensimon, she just hides it a little bit better.

Thank you to @AMerems for sharing that with me and allowing me to post. I would bet that RealCityHousewife aka @putyourhairup will provide a more detailed report in her blog. Thanks ladies! Make sure you follow them both on Twitter.

Teresa Giudice of the Real Housewives of New Jersey will be driving her husband to his AA meetings that will most likely be required before he can get his license back. He’s lost his license for two years! Thank you to New Jersey for getting this menace to society off the road. Let’s see how long it takes for them to catch him driving on a revoked license again.


Tamra Barney of the Real Housewives of Orange County filed charges against her soon-to-be ex-husband for domestic violence when he reportedly threw a dog’s leash at her, apparently there wasn’t enough evidence to pursue the case:


Thank you to Boston02127 and Icantstandthetoxicity for those links.

More links to enjoy, thank you as always to @SassNSauceBBC


Michaele Salahi Cohosts ‘Today’ with KLG and Hoda—to Our Horror | Fancast News http://bit.ly/cAk43O

‘Real Housewives’ casting shakeups: Can each series survive without its most controversial character? | EW.com http://bit.ly/b8PWut


‘It was Awkward and Horrible’ on ‘The Real Housewives of DC’ http://bit.ly/9Zdtox

Bethenny Frankel does Closet Confessions video for Bluefly.com – PopWrap http://bit.ly/aPog5w

Thank you Dawn for these links, they’re not new but a bit obscure and may have been missed. This has to be my favorite!


Jill plays t.v. interviewer and attempts to elevate herself to position of guest judge on American Idol, “I’m serious!”

I’m still posting old blogs including comments and photos on the other site, thanks for looking! New post later today!


Until Next Time….

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713 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Top Chef Reunion/ Top Chef Just Desserts Sept 25, 2010

  1. error404 says:

    I can’t help but see Seth as Miles form Work Fo Art, off his meds. He’s childish at best, but I find him unstable. Don’t they do a psych eval like they did for Apprentice?

    I was very sad to see Tim go, and I suspect this is one of those cases that the producers feel Seth is too good TV to send him home for crappy food and bad behavior. I feel bad for the other contestants as they all clearly are bothered by his distracting antics.

    I think you’re spot on about Dina being a slightly more contained Kiki-crazy. She soooo has a few screws lost, which is probably why Caroline acts as an almost body guard/nurse maid. It amazes me she has fans.

    • Ellabean says:

      Maybe Dina’s trying to get all new agey Zen is an admittance to some past bad behavior and anger issues.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      I think they do a psych eval and choose the crazies on purpose, IMHO.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I can’t beleive Seth has been allowed to stay, when I saw those three purple squares on the plate, I couldn’t get past the feeling of Violet Beauregarde’s experience in Willy Wonka’s factory. I wouldn’t be able to eat it.

      He is off is rocker and every time I see him I want to lance that thing growing out of his neck.

  2. Ellabean says:

    WSL, I left you a reply this morning on tale end of ither thread to your 8:58 am post to me. Just wanted to share some stuff about my life.

    Does anybody else ever wonder if their posts at the end of a long thread go un seen?
    No big deal, just an observation on how best to blog. 🙂

  3. quincyil says:

    Wow… Kim Z tore her nipple going down a water slide eight days about putting two new silcon bolders into her breasts. She hopes to have a tummy tuck as soon as possible.

    When my physical trainer talks about skinny fat, Kim Z now comes to my mind. The smoking really helps keep that weight down.

    If there is a person on these shows that has worse health habits than nurse Kim Z, please let me know.

  4. quincyil says:

    Thanks to this blog, I have come to know Dina Manzo a tiny bit better. I think Dina is spending too many hours in the closet with Tommy. They need fresh air.

  5. Raquel Papel says:

    I think its funny how Dina Manzo fancies herself a star. She thinks that it is punishment to block people from following her on twitter. I was banned, my offense was saying that it sounds stupid and silly when grown women say they have “haters” When you reach a certain age, you should realize that not everyone is going to like you and that you can possibly be misunderstood. It’s not a big deal. You do the best you can and move on. I certainly would not be offended by such a small statement, it’s not like I said, your hair is starting to look like straw, you get weirder by the minute, your instruction videos are strange and make you look stupid, your cat is extremely ugly.

    So much for being Zen.

  6. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    Completely off topic, but I must vent for a moment. Thank you for your indulgence in advance.
    My husband has been on vacation for 4 days now. 4 LOOOOONG days. I have no peace in my life right now. He is a “Speed Metal” fan and has been BLARING some band non stop. He is in the basement and it is so loud that my furniture is actually vibrating. Last night I finally told him to please knock it off so I could go to sleep. He then decided to research some new bands on UTube, and because he had blasted his ears off all day did not realize he kept turning the speakers up and waking me up all night long. He finally wound down at about 4:30 am and I ended up sleeping until 11:00 this morning. I got up, got my coffee and 10 minutes later he is blaring again and it has not stopped. I am in Hell. Seriously, Hell. I feel like I need to leave and go to a hotel just for some peace.
    Thanks for letting me rant.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Rant anytime! I’m sorry about your hubby, I hope for your sake he goes back to work very soon!

      Does he have head phones or ear buds? Make him use them!

    • Raquel Papel says:

      ha, it does sound like hell. I think you should start looking up hotels. 🙂

    • quincyil says:

      Home Depot has ugly yellow head sets with radios for 20 some dollars. You can use them while you do laundry. Listen to the radio or nothing at all.

      I mow with them…

      There is opera blasting in our home as my husband is home this weekend.
      I think it’s Carmen.

      Don’t suffer. Fix the problem.

    • Ellabean says:

      Oh Duchess. You always make me laugh. I TOTALLY get the hub is off for a few days and in the house too much– syndrome. I empathize.

      I’ve been talking to wsl about my hubs music. He has thousands of CD’s – and I mean thousands (he’s in the biz). Now we do have fun amateur let’s play DJ evenings and crank up the stereo and listen to all kinds of stuff .

      BUT – I go on overload when it gets to be 3am and my hub then wants to put on this obscure CD he owns of the Queen Mary ship sounding it’s horn. I kid you not.

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        Totally relate. My hubs likes to start looking for some obscure item he hasn’t used in 2 years at 10:00 at night. All of a sudden, out of the blue, it is IMPERITIVE that we find the remote for some piece of stereo equipment buried in the basement that he is POSITIVE I have moved on him. So, at this ungodly hour we have to begin tearing apart closets, drawers, tool boxes, etc. Then he suddenly remembers (after destroying the housework I worked so hard on) that he tossed it after he bought the universal remote. GRRRRRR

        • Adgirl says:

          You ladies crack me up. My husband doesn’t look for anything. it’s because he “knows exactly where it is”. That’s right, it’s in the four foot high pile of papers in his office. Which by the way still has boxes all over it from when we moved here a year ago. Do you know he still has EVERY single text book and his class notes form college??? I’m not kidding, there has to be 200 books with catchy titles like “Handbook of Fluid in Motion” and “Principles of Organic Chemistry”.
          I just shut the door to his office and try to ignore the text books that take up a full wall in our library room.

  7. LynnNChicago says:

    Hi everyone! For those of you who’ve been around a little while I just wanted to relay a message that I received from Hooked On Housewives.

    She’s not gone, she’s still lurking and keeping an eye on everyone! She’s a busy lady and hasn’t been watching the current shows but will be back …soon, I hope. Here’s her message:

    “I see a lot of new names on the blog and they are as insightful and feisty as the original posters. LOL. Please give shout-outs to the ladies/gents. Boston, Had Enough Kat, Kat2, Olivia, WestSideDude, Squirrels, MamaZ, etc. I’ll be seeing you all as soon as the season starts if not before. My love to you all.”

  8. Wall St Lady says:

    EllaBean We saw YoYo at Carnegie Hall from front row seats a couple of years ago.
    My dad was a breeder as a hobby. He was on the cover of” Dog Fancy” in 1954 with his wimaramas.
    In 1976 when I first moved to NY Daddy had 11 golden labs.
    My dad raised hunting dogs & gave then to his friends. Many times as a kid when I was bad I would hide in the sawdust filled dog house while several dogs nuzzled me w/kisses. So I never understood the term “in the dog house” cuz to me it was a sanctuary.
    Back to ’76. My dad was 6’4″ & a John Wayne type. A man of few words. I said Daddy can I have a lab. He said ” No I’d shoot it first. ”
    That may sound mean but he would not want a beautiful outdoor dog living in a NYC apartment where he said :”U don’t even own ur own GD concrete. “

    • quincyil says:

      My mom has a yellow lab. Her name is Sandy. She runs with me everyday while my mom walks the same path with a cane. Sandy and I run circles around my mom. We actually circle mom.

    • Ellabean says:

      Ohhh very nice WSL. Your dad sounds like my dad. He is 82 and looks like a 62 year old Cary Grant, and is a retired Col. from the Army, takes pride in being very physically fit, still rides his Harley and is a man of ‘interesting’ words and life observations . He would say G.D. concrete too.:)

      Shhh….the great Yo Yo is one of my hub’s clients. Hub is involved with B- way cast recordings too among other music.South Pacific at L. Ctr was one of his too – the show just closed. Did you see it? It was a wonderful mulit year run and just closed.

      Glad you caught my reply back on other thread.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        hey-my Dad is a retired Col. in the Army too! he has the physique of Jack LaLane, joined 2 gyms because one had one type of equipment but not the other and vice versa.

    • cyotteeflower says:

      WSL if you were asking your father for a dog in 1976 you are considerably younger than my impression of you.I’m not one to try to figure out everyones stats because I would never remember if I did.
      Hope you don’t wanna kick my heiney for saying you I though you were older. 8~)

      • harleysmom says:

        I don’t think she was asking for his permission, I think she was asking for one of his Labs because he was a breeder. Age wouldn’t be a factor then. I could be wrong.

        • cyotteeflower says:

          OK that makes sense.Couldn’t think back anything exacting just knew general impresion I had formed.Thanks for clarifying!

  9. tod1963 says:

    This is a link to an article at E On Line about Danielle from her ex’s Kevin. It’s kind of creepy


    • error404 says:

      LOL! No need to add “It’s kinda creepy”, as you already said it was about Danielle and form her ex husband, the the extreme creepiness is inherent. The only thing grosser than Lady D, is the people who hate her IMHO. The list of people who just need to get a life seems to grow every day.

      • quincyil says:

        I don’t hate Danielle. She has mental issues. I only hate people who think it’s ok to destroy their best friend because the best friend was doing well. You know… I hate Jill Zarin.

      • quincyil says:

        Is being a call girl, but not a prostitute as tad like being a cook, but not a chef?

        BTW, I didn’t expect that in the link. It was creepy.

        • cyotteeflower says:

          What an ass!How many years has he been holding this grudge?I hate when anuone speaks poorly of someone they supposidly loved at one time.
          The drug cartel is dismantled and if anyone from that whole drug bust wanted her dead she would have been dead long ago.That and the fact that if the feds thought she was in any danger she would have been in witness protection.
          After my own couple of weeks of being lied about and bullied online I honestly don’t know how these HW’s live through all the crap written about them day after day.

          • cyotteeflower says:

            Sorry for spelling errors.

          • quincyil says:

            I doubt it was love for either of those two. I think it was lust.

          • nathania says:

            She changed her name and dropped out of sight until this show, so she kind of did her own witness protection program, probably because she knows that many people who go into that program end up dead anyway. I think it’s Danny Aguilar that insisted she was going to be murdered someday, maybe Maher is just echoing what he has heard. The more I read from him the more he sounds like a stalker intent on destroying her if it’s the last thing he does. I think his idiotic comments admitting having abused her have pretty much sunk his case.

          • MAMAZ says:

            cyotteeflower’s right. The 80’s cocaine cartels are no longer in power. She is in no danger from them. Kevein Maher wrote a book about being a police CI. Wouldn’t he be in danger from all the people he ratted out?
            Danielle Staub is scum. She was scum whe Kevin Maher married her. Birds of a feather.

            cyotteeflower – I haven’t been on much lately. I’m sorry to hear you where being bullied.

            • cyotteeflower says:

              Thanks Mamaz,It has been the single most discombobulating thing I have ever lived thru and that is saying something.At times I have questioned my mental state but my family says I’m still normal to them. 8~)
              I have a full 6 legal size pages front and back of names,sites,incidents and the connection between them.
              It followed me to twitter last night.Three hours later I understood I wasn’t suppose to open up about it and I would be followed.
              Shhh it arrived here 5-6 days ago.I am seriously weirded out.

              • quincyil says:

                Someone is bothering you? I know that this is upsetting. I really like you and think you are a good person. I am with your family on this.

              • OneMoreinBoston says:

                wahhh??? wow this sounds really scary! No, you’re not crazy! I hope you’ll be ok

              • Bob Loblaw says:

                I find it funny that you complained about being referred to as “it”, and here you do the exact same thing.

                Also, if that’s the worse thing that has ever happened to you, you must have a pretty easy life. Really, bullying? Kelly Bensimone called, she wants you to join her club.

        • nathania says:

          It’s actually like being a chef instead of a cook. The clients are richer, you work in a lot better places, and you make a hell of a lot more money.

          • quincyil says:

            Yeah. Better clients like the ex Gov of NY who is now a tv host. Talk about come back.

            Blago… there is hope.

            • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

              Hey, our mayor used a check to pay for his, an OFFICE check (like from his budget) and went on to become the king of trash tv. Now considering a run for congress and even went on Dancing with the Stars. Go figure.

      • Savannah111 says:

        I’m sure we all agree that Danielle has many many things wrong with her, I wouldn’t know where to even start.

        I have a question though, in the article he said that she said those things on the show, ie, being raped on glass etc? I don’t remember her saying that in an episode. I must have watched each one 2 times some maybe 3 times on some re-runs of episodes and I’m trying to remember it but I don’t.

  10. Adgirl says:

    Top Chef All Stars – can’t wait!! My husband and I saw Elia walking down the street in San Francisco not long after season 2. Very pretty, and taller than I expected. I loved that season, especially because Marcel was so odd.
    I adore Anthony Bourdain. Anyone who reads Kitchen Confidential will love him too. He is the real pull yourself up from your bootstraps kind of guy.
    Anthony and Eric Rupert are very good friends. Don’t let their banter fool you. They go on speaking tours together and have or had a radio show together.
    I believe Eric will not be judging All Stars partly because Jennifer (his chef in Philly) will be competing again.
    I love Casey, she lost to Huong and Dale when she had a brain fart during finales in Colorado. Go Casey!!

    TC Reunion – Tom seems stretched too thin. Didn’t he and his wife just have a baby And he won a huge award. I think he’s pooped.
    My husband was furious that Andy was hosting. “Who the fuck is that?!” Andy just acts like a game show host which is unappropiate for the environment.
    I was surprised to read in the NYT profile of Andy’s boss, that Andy helps create the challenges on TC! (I am looking for the link, will post later) So he is a lot more involved in the show than I thought. I wonder if is his fault the show was too personality focused this season? I heard they had a new production team so maybe it was them. All Stars better get the show back on track!!! Go Casey!

  11. Adgirl says:

    NYT profile of Lauren Zalaznick. The woman above the man behind Bravo TV’s success.
    Andy’s boss at NBC Universal:


    • error404 says:

      Ha! She even looks a little like Faye Donaway! LOL

      I remember when Bravo used to be a serious Art forum…. Now it’s all like the terrorist TV Faye’s character in Network was producing.

  12. quincyil says:

    I am reading more of Jackie Warner’s book this weekend. There is information on skin care and …wrinkles that I will pass on with the review of “Thintervension.”

    • nathania says:

      Is this the ‘this is why you are fat’ one? I am thinking about buying that one, will wait for the review. It really made me think when she made that guy run up and down the stairs to burn off the calories from eating two oreos. I dont’ think I have every seen such an explicit demonstration of just what a couple hundred calories equal, exercise-wise. It helped me make some changes, I gave up soda and I have been trying to eat nourishing food at every meal (meaning protein instead of all carbs) and I have lost six pounds. Just by doing that, other than my daily activities I am not exercising. I think most people lose a bit when they first start and then level off so I know I have to start with a fitness regimen of some kind but I feel better too. Type 2 diabetes runs in my family so that is another worry.

      • quincyil says:

        Yes, that is the book and I highly recommend it.

        Alexis Bellino said it was 60% diet, 40% exercise.

        Recently, Bethenny tweeted that she didn’t have time for yoga, but staying thin is really about the diet.

        From watching the people in my running class struggle to lose their punch for months, I think it’s 80% diet and 20% exercise.

        These women are doing the circuit training as Jackie recommends, but they go to Weight Watchers which allows a lot more sugar than Jackie or my trainer would like. I went with the trainer’s ideas because I was paying for help and I was determined to listen and follow her advice from day one.

        If you have a log of weight to lose, you must exercise to save lean muscle. It’s amazing, but I am old and my chin came back, my stomach is flat, and I am really strong.

        Buy the book…. keep the food diary… you will be so happy.

        • cyotteeflower says:

          And one day all the health nuts will be laying in the hospital dying of nothing.~unknown

          This cracks me up.Granddaughter just doesn’t get it and looks at me Tree head cocky.

          • quincyil says:

            There is 100% probability that the health nuts will die. However, they they will save the US healthcare system a boat load of money along that way.

            • cyotteeflower says:

              I understand that.I fit the health nut description for nearly 3decades.Fit For Life by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond was my bible.Both my girls were raised vegetarian.
              Then something changed.
              I just thought it was a funny line.I wasn’t making fun.I understand all of what you speak.

            • nathania says:

              It used to be about health for me, now it is about vanity and comfort. I am uncomfortable at my weight and I don’t want to have a miserable old age, which I know I will if I don’t make some changes.

  13. Adgirl says:

    Top Chef All Stars. I can’t wait. Go Casey!!

    Anthony Bourdain will be judging 9they never say how often, Eric Rupert wasn’t around much during DC and he was also a “permenant” judge. I think Eric won;t be around much for All Stars, his employee Jennifer is competing.
    PS Anthony and eric are good friends – they tour together for speaking engagements. Don’t let their on air banter fool you.

  14. Adgirl says:

    TC Reunion
    My husband was furious about Andy hosting. “Who the fuck is that?!”.
    Andy brings a game show. Jerry Springer quality which is just not appropiate for TC.

  15. Kim Grandmatell says:

    I would love to hear the perspectives here- Bravo really has formula going! Let’s review the possible HW types. I asked this on TWOP but would love to hear everyones views here (coming out of lurking as you all often say exactly what I am thinking, and don’t need to post!) Thanks for the great blog Lynn.

    Mama Bear- Lynda (Caroline)
    Batshit – Michaele (Danielle, Kelly)
    “That’s just ____ bein _____” – Cat (Teresa)
    “Normal” – Stacie (Dina)
    Peacemaker/perpetual fence sitter/weird daughter issues – Mary (Jacqueline)

    And now we have…

    I live for cameratime – Erika (Kim G.)

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      Agree with most but…

      Stacie is normal, Not,never ever Dina

      Camertime lover Paul, Jason, KimG,

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        agree with most – but none are “normal” lol and being of the show would preclude that category IMHO. Stacie reminds me of Caroline – a rules person.

    • quincyil says:

      I hope we get to see more of Erica because I think she is going to surprise us. She listened calmly to the women explain why Cat is acting so negatively and she came over to try and make amends. She’s business woman and she approached Cat as if Cat was her employee. I think Erica will figure this out. She’s smart.

      Remember, in the first season all of these women are one dimensional and we only realize who they are over time. Bravo is picking and editing for a story line. It took some of us awhile to figure out Jill Zarin.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Quincy I’m really surprised by your comments about Erika, I just watched the scene again at Stacie’s house and I was shocked by how rude Erika was. She first called her clumsy and mean in the kitchen in front of the children. As the ladies were walking from the kitchen to the living room, Erika repeated mean mean mean while following Cat.

        When Mary brough up Lolly, Lynda made a comment about how easy Lolly has it at home with the parents, then Cat made a similar comment, TO MARY and Erika jumped all over her yelling out MEAN GIRL and saying it’s all about Cat, when in fact Cat was talking to Mary about her daughter. How is that about Cat?

        I don’t know, I just don’t understand how you can defend her behavior, even her apology wasn’t an apology as she told Cat not to give her “Body language” when all Cat was doing was adjusting her handbag that had fallen off of her shoulder and wiping tears from her eyes. Mary even defended Cat on WWHL saying Cat is not rude or mean. I think Erika is the mean girl. I also think Erika is upset that she isn’t a housewife but Cat, new to this country is a housewife. Erika doesn’t miss an opportunity to be on camera, maybe she’s trying to audition for next season, if there is one.

        Mary and Stacie then had lunch with Erika and they both told her that she was wrong in the way she treated Cat. These are Erika’s two friends of 10-years telling her she was wrong. The only thing Stacie could defend was the fact that Erika said it to her face, then they all proceed to talk about her behind her back. Stacie said she would have told Erika to go to hell and then would have collected her children and left, just the way Cat did.

        Usually I agree with most of your posts Quincy 🙂

        • nathania says:

          Is there a place online to go and watch the videos after the episode has aired? I tried to find one last night and couldn’t.

        • quincyil says:

          Your description of what took place is correct. I have been watching body language as well as the words.

          This is a higher class of women than we have had before, Lynn. They don’t really tell you to your face like Ramona. They make phone calls and share behind the scenes. They as a group decided to defend Cat, who they probably knew was going to be divorced,because she’s the pregnant girl who got the engagement ring and they don’t want to pull a Jill Zarin. They are smart, Lynn. They admit that Cat has “changed” or as we say in Illinois, “turned into a bitch,” because she is abandoned and alone. Erica must not have gotten that memo. She thought that the back room gossip was the message of the day. I watched her take their criticism after she tried to defend her words. She was incredulous that they were doing this to her. I watched her sit alone in the room thinking. I watched her make the effort to try and solve this problem. Cat ran, used her kids as her cushion as she has always done when she had problems (like leaving their dad for a married man.) She admitted that her children are her convidants in one of the interviews. (Frightened little girls never tell you that you were wrong.) In the hallway, I watched Erica try to connect again with cat. Erica runs a successful business so she approached Cat as if she was the boss and said Cat needed to prove that she was not mean. Cat turned that around immediately and successfully played the victim card…”I have been anniliated.” Honestly, Lynn, how was “you are being mean again” turn into anniliation.

          I told Boston that this is more than calling someone a mean girl to Erica. She is convinced that Cat looks down on her people, Black People, Washingtonians, and Americans. Her friend that committed suicide called her the “First Lady.” That’s perhaps a British thing. I doubt it though. She loved it. She was over all of us…the First… and it made her happy. Cat is up there and Erica (and the rest of us) are down there.

          I thought Cat’s true colors were there when she described her neighbors in Chevy Chase as women wearing spandex and carrying little bags of dog poo. Now, you can be unhappy in the suburbs without that kind of description of your neighbors. That’s really mean. Oh, then men have their jeans pulled up high. I doubt that. Looked like a pretty nice place to me. Was she refering to bib overhauls and farmers? I think so.

          We only get a snippens of the nasty behavior of Cat. Sitting at the computer, husband number two reacted to her comments. He is shocked on camera when she calls his work something like snogging around? Must be a British insult. He’s British and he didn’t like it one bit.

          Cat demands answers immediately when she asks something. She demands it from husband number two on several occassions when they are conversing. She demanded it when he was working on the book cover. In the car on the way to Oasis, Cat demanded an answer to her question, “Has anyone been to where we are going?” She demanded an answer from Mary about horse back riding with Michaela at Lolly’s restaurant. She firmly restates her question even if the other person moved on or was quiet. This is a woman in control of the room. She demands control and if you don’t give it to her, she can turn into the vicitm immediately.

          At Oasis, she was not going to play the Salahi games. Fine. “I know you are an American, …..” She slams Tareq and Americans. When confronted by the assisstant,….she slides into victimhood…. Very consistent… she’s a pro.

          I don’t think we have had such a smart group of women in the realm of Bravo housewives so far. They may have watched the other series and decided that the will be Kim and Nene at the second reunion (unwilling to fight on camera.) I would bet that Erica won’t make this mistake a second time too. She’s smart as a whip. She’s going to be sure she gets the memo too.

          Everyone is against Michaela. It’s safe to attack her. Wait until next year, when Cat has made the decision to go back to Washington sans children and sans husband number two. I can’t wait to see what she says about us off the cuff with a few drinks under her belt then.

          So, Blog mistress and the leader of our beloved clan, I think, in time, Cat will be a bigger Jill Zarin than Jill Zarin herself. If I’m wrong, I will be the first to say so, but I don’t think I’m wrong about Cat A… she dropped the O… and that gorgeous sweetheart of a husband who now victimizers her when he wishes they had not gone on Bravo. See… it’s a pattern.

          • quincyil says:

            confidants… didn’t see it before hitting.

          • Snarkella says:

            Holy S quincyil are we watching the same show? LOL.

            Cat has some flaws, but even so I find her amusing, smart and real. She’s pissed me off a few times but I can’t help but like her.

            Stacy kept it real at lunch with Erika. I wish she would do the same for Cat. Just tell her to her face when her behavior is offensive and let the chips fall where they may. At the moment no one is telling her what they’re really upset about.

            Once again I’m typing on my phone and it doesn’t let me proofread. Crap, right? So sorry for any errors in advance.

            • quincyil says:

              I think we are. Lynn is with you. At first, I just watched and listened. I look at what they say to each other and what they confide to their friends while away from the other housewives.

              I am keeping tabs on all of them… We will see… It may take more than a season, but I think you and Lynn will find out that Cat is the real mean girl of DC housewives. Let’s see.. husband number one found out…husband number two found out quickly..thank goodness for that…LOL… The married man and his married wife found out about Cat after the affair. The other and many other inappropriate men between her marriages found out.

              I bet Queen Elizabeth loved hearing that Cat made out with Prince Harry. I threw that in for Lynn…

            • TrueLifeDiva says:

              How are you replying directly to a post from your phone? I need that phone, mine won’t let me and 85% of the time I visit this site from it.

              • Snarkella says:

                I’m with you, 85% of the time when I visit this site I’m on my phone. I have an Iphone. But it’s still a pain trying to type replies on a phone so I rarely leave comments.

          • LynnNChicago says:

            I agree, this is the smartest group of housewives we’ve had to date, no doubt about it. Honestly, I wasn’t even defending Cat, I still think that Erika was wrong, inappropriate and pissed that she isn’t a housewife. Had Erika done the same to Lynda or Mary or Stacie, I would have said the same thing. IMO Erika was wrong, period. Each time Cat said a word, Erika was on her like white rice 🙂 (my nod to Ramona)

            I didn’t see Erika’s apology as a boss speaking to an employee but rather a mother speaking to a naughty child, but she was condesending and insincere.

            You may be right about Cat, we’ll have to wait and see if she comes back and in fact if the series comes back. With only two episodes left and the Salahi’s White House crash coming up they’re sure to be dominating the final two episodes I’m still withholding judgment on Cat.

            • quincyil says:

              Erica might have been mother to child…
              I don’t know if she has a child. I know she has a business and it sounded like a boss, “Prove your worth to me,” like Jeff Lewis to Jett.

              • Snarkella says:

                I agree with you that Erika seems like a smart, sharp lady, but she also seems like someone with an ax to grind. The problem is with her not Cat IMO. She needs to say what’s got her goat. Name calling and bullying is petty and makes her look the fool.

        • quincyil says:

          Lynn, did you notice the cruel comments about Republicans when Cat is in the closet with the girls? She called them, “dregs on the bottom of a wine glass.”
          I know many people here thought her Palin outfit was good natured fun, but after her comment with Edwina at lunch, you could tell Cat hated Sarah Palin.

          I am an Independent voter. One of the things that I hate most about American politics is the slurs that Democrats and Republicans hurl at each other. I agree with our second President John Adams that this divides our country and the uncivility of the party process is damaging.

          I’m sure that many people were offended by Cat’s actions and words. I see this as another example of Cat being mean. I wonder if Cat’s outfit didnt’ have something to do with Edwina fainting.

          • TrueLifeDiva says:

            I agree, Cat is someone who loves to dish it but cannot take it. Can’t have it both ways. I see Ericka as someone who after meeting Cat a few times and only saw the “showing her ass” side of Cat, decided she was no longer gonna give her the benefit of the doubt. Cat HAS been rude at every get together. Ericka has no need to try to get to know her better. The others know some of her back story and cut her slack because she is going thru some ish. If I met someone 3-4 times and they were rude each time, I would let them have it too.

            • quincyil says:

              I am the aunt of mixed race women. There is a sensitivity that is not unlike the first generation children of Iranians and not unlike the adopted children. They are searching for their place.

              Erica is Black and she has a touch of this desire to be accepted. Cat walks in and not only Bravo accepts her, but all of the closest friends of Erica take Cat into the inner circle. That has to hurt on many levels.

              I like Erica. I would be her friend. I would never be friends with someone who thinks it is funny to insult neighbors or American in general. I would be cordial to Cat, but she isn’t coming to my house for snacks with multiple bottles of wine.

              • anniieee says:

                My take–everyone needs manners. Both women were rude- You do not call someone out on behavior that you do not agree with, at a social event. That was lowclass-noclass… And Cat has a sarcastic tone to all that she says, but I feel she is a little lonely and out of her element. But Erica needs some manners. Period.

              • Amber...Real Wife says:

                I agree with Erica feeling blindsided by this devotion to Cat. These ladies just met her, while she’s known, hung out with and even traveled with these women. That is more than an occasional friendship. What astounds me is the lack of manners attributed to Erica! REALLY! She’s wrong for bringing her gripe up, because the kids were in another room yet I doubt they heard the conversation prior to Cat’s showbiz performance. Cat absolutely plays the victim. She is insulting to all and when someone calls her out she can’t handle it. She turns the table and her “new” friends defend her. WOW.
                Also amazing is the etiquette faux pas leveled at Erica, yet Cat is not taken to task at all. Erica is supposed to show her the kindness and consideration that Cat herself shows no one! It sounds like a double standard to me folks.

              • Snarkella says:

                I wouldn’t say double standard, more like two wrongs don’t make a right. Is Cat rude? Yes. Is Erika rude? You betcha. Just because Erika is being rude to another rude person, doesn’t make her behavior any less rude. That’s not the way to handle it.

            • quincyil says:

              I love the replies and the discussion here. I think we may be more civilized than the DC women because we have a cross section of the entire nation right here.

              I know how to keep my mouth shut in the real world. I taught that to my children too. I also know how to leave OK corral without a bullet in my chest.

              I really do love everyone here and I respect everyone’s opinons and conclusions.

              • OneMoreinBoston says:

                well, @quincy-
                I haven’t joined this discussion because these ladies bore me to tears so I haven’t watched this episode.

                I guess I’m going to have to find the reruns and watch this episode.

                I agree with your views on Cat-but didn’t watch the exchange with Erica.

                very insightful, and you put into words a lot of what is bothering me about Cat but really couldn’t verbalize.

            • Snarkella says:

              I agree with you to a point, but Erika is not going about it the right way. Instead of calling Cat out, for example at Stacie’s, “Hey Cat, take it easy. You’re being insulting to our guest of honor (the chef).” Erika name calls out of left field. She needs to be direct with Cat at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. At the moment, her very inappropriate behavior is making her look like an ass, even though Cat may have started it.

            • Snarkella says:

              In fact, I find Erika’s behavior even more apalling than Cat’s, because Cat is being rude with her head up her ass. She thinks she’s being funny, clever and entertaining. She is not really trying to hurt anyone, she just mistakenly thinks she’s making herself look better. Erika is offended by Cat’s remarks and is looking for any opportunity to attack. If she wants to address it, fine, but she’s being childish and mean about it.

              • quincyil says:

                It does look like an attack. However, look at Erica’s body language. In the ice cream event, Erica meets cat and says something about mean and clutzy, but she has Cat’s scarf and tries to do it playfully. The words are mean and the body language with the smile and moving towards Cat and touching Cat is friendly. Now, Cat may not like being touched. I know that the two huge Black families that I am related to are big touchers and huggers. Are the British kinda standoffish? My mom is not a hugger so when the Iranian relatives start to kiss hello or goodbye on both cheeks, my mom doesn’t know how to handle it. I’ve learned to go with the flow. Has Cat?

                In the hallway trying to fix the problem with Cat, Erica a product of Black Washington tries to touch Cat again and Cat recoils and cries. Cat has a zillion reasons to cry at that moment because it’s obvious that husband number two said he wants out, but Erica gets that blame. I think Erica didn’t annilate Cat. Cat came to the party annililated and that is why she had the hat on and no eye makeup. She was hiding puffy eyes from crying over the divorce. I wondered what was going under the hat and I thought her eyes looked weird. She had been crying. If you watch, they even focus in to show you her eyes.

              • Snarkella says:

                Erika’s body language would scare the eff out of me. She marched up to Cat like she was about to slug her. It’s very bossy and in charge — maybe mother and child like you said.

                But if some lady was calling me names at a nice social gathering and then started giving me the mother-child body language, she would get the biggest FU the world has ever heard.

                Even her good pal Stacy said, “I would have told you to kiss my ass.”

                Me too Stacy!

        • Savannah111 says:

          I haven’t gotten really interested in this show as much as the others and I really love the real housewife series as a whole I enjoy all of them I have my personal favorites, NYC is my favorite to watch. I have to say that the DC ladies are my least favorite, just can’t get in to this series, I have caught up and I’ve seen each episode to date.

          IMO I think Erica was a bitch it’s how I saw her.
          Cat has a bite about her but in as far as this past episode at Stacie’s house just like I posted to Stacie at the Bravo site which I’m still shocked went through; Erica had a big chip on her shoulder and just went off on Cat period. Stacie being the host of that little get together should have calmed Erica down she was both loud and rude it escalated to a loud level and children were there.

    • Savannah111 says:

      I would of added Teresa to Batshit !!
      I don’t think Dina is normal

      As far as camera time I agree 100%

  16. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    Simon, Alex and Jill attended the same wedding. I wonder if Bravo is filming this.

    Jill’s tweet:

    Jillzarin: On way to wedding. Perfect day! Love is in the air!
    about 3 hours ago via twidroid

    Simon’s tweet:

    SimonvanKempen : At a wedding reception w/ @McCordAlex which is at a most unlikely setting (uncomfortable, perhaps for 2 other guests?)
    25 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

    • Ellabean says:

      Wonder whose wedding it is. Thought Jill officially ousted Alex and Simon from her “circle” of friends.

      • icantstandthetoxicity says:

        The bride is a lady named Jennifer. I THINK she was on the first episode of RHONY last season. I remember the party that Ramona gave on Labor Day and I think it is the same Jennifer. Ramona is at the wedding also and she tweeted a picture of the bride. She looks familiar!

        ramonasinger: Me with my friend the bride Jennifer!! http://twitpic.com/2rwbd4

  17. Adgirl says:

    May I just add her that I am already sick of Tamra Barney and OC hasn’t even started this season.
    I feel somewhat bad for Simon. I know he’s a controlling a-hole but I believe his love of Tamra and the girls is sincere. Most of his controlling stemmed from Tamra’s idiotic and vapid behavior. I feel he was trying to “save” her or contain her.
    He should have married a quality woman in the first place instead of a blow up doll. It’s disgraceful that they have 3 small children and insist on having public arguments.
    He’s not a huge prize either, didn’t he get kicked out of Fletcher Jones Mercedes for making passes at customers? And don;t get me started on his stupid FB comments.

    For the most part I believe couples deserve one another -Tamra & Simon, Teresa & Juicy

    • nathania says:

      oh honey.

      I can relate to that sentiment about not marrying a blow up doll. I don’t know anything about this aspect of Tamra and I am not a Simon fan but both of my brothers made this abysmal mistake…they are both shy and awkward and there are viperesses waiting out there to pounce on men like them who have a stable job and income and don’t cheat. Both have reproduced with these walking nightmares and now there are three innocent children that have witches for mothers. It’s a very, very bad scene, and sorry to get so personal but if anyone out there is religious say a prayer for my family that my witch-queen sister in law #2 is not pregnant, for the sake of the two kids she already has that are stuck with her as a ‘mother’. My brother just got a vasectomy but they think something might have happened and I am terrified to think this woman might bear another child.

      • quincyil says:

        It’s amazing how many women are able to keep those men. I think it has something to do with sex.

        • Amber...Real Wife says:

          It absolutely has everything to do with sex. These women, who’ve been around, use every possible trick to keep these men. While they may have been loving in the beginning, they are now demanding, spoiled witches. These guys, while intelligent and superior in their fields, were socially awkward and may have had little experiences with the opposite sex. They are putty in their hands.

          Yes, I also have a nephew involved with a whore-rrible, single mother who is cuckholding him, taking his money, had his car towed because of unknown tickets, and kicks him out at 4am every off pay week. We worry because we believe he is suicidal over this wicked bitch.

          BTW, she claims she was a battered woman with her ex, yet she is constantly slapping and punching my newphew. I fear this will not end well.

          • quincyil says:

            Yikes, I feel badly for that nephew. I have had this kind of thing in my own family, but she gave my mother my nephew. She went on to a new guy and she gave away all of her kids.

          • Adgirl says:

            @Nathania @ Amber, I am praying for your families. I have seen first hand how badly things can turn out.
            And you are right- it’s all about the penis! Men, especially insecure men are vulnerable to marrying for sex. And many men actually marry these women because they want someone to tell them what to do!
            Thank God we can be frank here. There is a huge difference between a truly abusive man and a guy who throws leashes or hits walls because he is frustrated.
            I was married to a hot head Irish guy and you could say I was a “battered” wife. Mostly, I’d call myself a smart mouth who knew how to get him riled up to the point he’d punch the wall. I’ve grown up a lot since then. Sadly he passed away (OD) after his second wife drained him of all of his money & pride and isolated him from his family, including our children. Women can be far more evil and manipulative then men!
            I might mention that after I grew up, I realized something very not “politically correct” (mind you I grew and live in Berkeley).
            Men are hardwired to believe they are the leader in their family (if it’s only cultural then I am not aware of a matriarchal society anywhere) . When the man is weak, the woman will fill the vacuum out of necessity. She loses respect for him. That emasculates the man. Everything goes to hell in the family.
            I learn that for myself, I needed a man who wasn’t afraid of me; but treats me nicely with respect. And by the way – I nearly always get what I want anyway. I just don’t shame him into it.

            • quincyil says:

              I am Irish and my dad remembers more than a few slammed bedroom doors when I was growing up. My husband is calm and strong. I learned that this son of the Shah of Iran’s banker from the Eastern Provences was not going to help me with the house or yard. He was not going to watch the kids so I could have time for a hair cut. I changed and for the better.

              • Adgirl says:

                Every relationship has its own flavor. As long as it works 95% of the time, you love each other and no one is doing serious damage to the family (drugs, debts, sleeping around) then it’s no one’s business whom does which chores. My husband acts like the house & yard work is done by elves. Sometimes it bugs me. On the other hand he is a brilliant man, MBA and Chemical Engineer out of Carnegie Mellon. He takes care of us in ways I can’t. And we have the most interesting conversations. So viva la difference!

            • nathania says:

              I think my brothers married these women for their looks. Both women are lunatics and both mistreat their children. Initially it is about sex, and when the children are born it becomes about fear. Because it is highly unlikely they will ever get custody of those kids, and as soon as they figure out how unstable she is, they can either leave and know the child is going to be alone with a psycho, or stay and tolerate the psycho for the sake of the kids.

          • nathania says:

            he needs to put some video up in his home, recording 24 hours a day, every day, it can be run remotely from a webcam and recorded on a DVD drive. he’s going to end up in jail for domestic violence if he doesn’t protect himself. poor guy, my brother dropped off the face of the earth for 3 years during the worst of his marital woes, we didn’t know where he was. He is doing alot better now, but the psychotic nut nearly killed him.

            • Amber...Real Wife says:

              I agree with your earlier comment too. First it’s the sex, then these guys stay because they fear for the kids. My nephew takes care of HER daughter (not his) financially and physically, and when he WANTS to leave, after she cheats, she manipulates him with the “she’s pregnant” routine. She has had him pay for an abortion, (fake=1/2 hr procedure), 4 months ago and has claimed pregnancy every month. He HAS gotten physical with her ONCE. He slapped her back and he says she was shocked started crying and apologized. SICK. I’ve warned him, we all have, that she’s making him lose control (he drinks heavily when she goes out) and this can end tragically.

            • Adgirl says:

              Damn that’s scary. When my ex died the saddest part to our children was he did that over a woman who didn’t care all that much. It was a waste because he was a really nice man. He should have married a slightly older woman who was bookkeeper (to keep him on task financially).
              My prayers to your family.

        • nathania says:

          Thanks be to the Gods/ Goddesses/ Angels/ Buddhas and any and all other deities, and anyone who may have sent a prayer my way, she is NOT PREGNANT!

    • Savannah111 says:

      Oh those ladies with names that start with T I cant stand, Teresa and Tamera. I’ve not liked Tamera from the moment her little remarks they may come younger but they don’t come hotter, please I can’t stand her..

  18. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    The heavens have opened, the rainbow is over my house. Hubs has decided to go see his Mom and his best friend 50 miles away. Be home late tonight or early in the morning. I cannot join him as I have a vet appointment for the cat (he has cancer and needs his meds refilled) that cannot be rescheduled. I will welcome him home, but will TOTALLY enjoy my solitude filled evening. Ahhhhhh, I am thinking take out, hot bath and chick flick.

  19. Wall St Lady says:

    How do U make Holy Water ?

    U boil the hell out of it !

    Snark snark ! & double snark

  20. nathania says:

    I still wish there was a way that you could get some ad revenue from all the traffic on this site. I suspect you probably have way more readers than posters. You deserve it way more than Perez Hilton and he’s probably a multimillionaire by now. Maybe you could just post a link to your blog here and we could go to the blogger site to read it, then come back here to post and have our discussions. 🙂

    I searched the wayback machine, google cache and celebrity tweets for those deleted tweets and didn’t find them. I just thought of one more place they might be, I am sure there is an image on the internet somewhere. I read through Dina’s tweets and at best she is a normal person but at worst she is slightly off her rocker. If she thinks she was royalty in a former life like Caroline says in the vh1 wedding video then I imagine she has other issues too. I can only conclude from her comments that she thinks ‘zen’ is a decorating style like feng shui. I am not sure why she feels the need to try to elevate her image above what she so obviously is, which is just a slightly nicer than average gold digger. She and Caroline both live off pilfered mob money, for crying out loud. If someone posts something like that people can use the print screen button on the keyboard, paste it into paint, save it to a pictures file and it is immortalized. I bet she was a bit tipsy when she posted that. If Tommy is a transvestite he might still be heterosexual…who knows. These Manzo women are a trip. It’s always the people that try the most to look ‘respectable’ that have them most to hide.

    • quincyil says:

      Didn’t someone say Word Press has some advertising? It seems that they would benefit from Lynn’s hits too.

      The do record the hits… Lynn can get the count.

      • cusi77 says:

        Quincy_ Our Lynn is benefiting for the hits? Is all I care about.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        In order to advertise on WordPress you have to pay a monthly fee and split the ad profits 50/50 with WordPress which would sort of defeat the purpose. Blogspot doesn’t take any of the proceeds, and they don’t charge anything to blog there so it’s a much better deal. Until I can find a better solution, I’m going to continue to put the old blogs with the comments there because some of the people who were around back then and posted comments are getting a kick out of reading them again. Some of the newcomers too seem to be enjoying the witty comments as well as the old posts reminding us how our hatred for Jill Zarin all began. 🙂

    • cyotteeflower says:

      Zen is a decorating style like feng shui!!! Brilliant may I tweet that?

  21. Wall St Lady says:

    nathania on September 25, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    Has some good ideas ! Read blogs on other site & post here 4 1.
    BTW troops our Blog Mistress is still seeking a more perfect solution.
    ” So don’t worry chickens yo Big sister is working on it !”
    (Poor attempt to draw in Melanie’s yell to Scarlet’s sisters when scarlet shot the yankee dead !)

    • cyotteeflower says:

      If more desirable sites that do run ads have a fee why not donations.I’ve seen it done elsewhere.

  22. emdee says:

    As far as Dina Manzo goes – First off, very admirabe for her work with childhood cancer. I’m sure seeing those kids – how can you not care? However, because of her husband’s money, she has the time to go and visit these kids and hold events at the Brownstone, her husband’s place of business. Please know I am not knocking her for that. I know it sounds mean and I don’t personally know her, but this is my take on her – She was a snob on her wedding show and acted like a spoiled child, then when HW came, I know a poster also said she thought she would be the star, and that didn’t happen. She has no personality and hides behind her looks, and appears desperate for her husband’s attention. Again, I agree with other posters who say that once she left, she probably thought people would be begging her back, but as we all know, the show did just fine without her. Didn’t think of her one bit!!! My guilty pleasure is reading posts about someone not liking her!!! Now she twitters and you tubes her design techniques and stated somewhere “shouldn’t Dina Manzo have her own design show?” She is another one who apparently needs to be in the limelight, and thinks everyone thinks she is so good and wondeful. I lost all respect for Jeff Lewis when he said Dina was one of his favorites on WWHL. Him saying anyone else wouldn’t have bothered me – but her? I see right through her. She’s too good for the Jersey Shore and has to vacation in the Hamptons. I know I’m rambling but I just don’t like her. I would rather hang with Teresa or Danielle any day over her. I think she left the show because her husband told her what an “ass” she comes across as, and as I said, will do anything to get attention from him. If I was her, I would want my guy to stop hiding and come out to the world and say out loud how much he loved me etc. Haven’t seen that yet. When another twitterer asked where she got her design credetials, she blocks them. Unless you’re expressing to her how great she is, (thinks she is) she could care less about you. She’s nothing but a snob. Her husband definitely didn’t marry her for her personality. For someone who wanted her privacy back, she has way too much time for twitter and you tube. No one gives a crap about her closet.

    • quincyil says:

      She has incredible blue eyes. I think they may be contacts though because you don’t always see them.

      I really don’t think that many of the housewives are beautiful. They are thin. In America, thin counts.

      Cat, in the hat at Stacies had the tiniest eyes ever. If you watch it again, she must not have bothered with eye makeup that night. I wonder what we would look like if professional make up artists for television helped us get ready for that camera. LOL

    • boston02127 says:

      @emdee–I think Claud’s charity work is 10% work and 90% sitting on her butt tweeting about it.

  23. emdee says:

    Sorry – the point I was trying to get across about Tommy shouting to the world how much he loved her was that he has to see and know how much crap she has taken about their marriage being a sham, etc. etc. Don’t you think if he really loved her he would feel bad about her getting all that crap from everyone and show his support for his wife in some way?

    • nathania says:

      if you watch the vh1 video, he treats her like absolute crap the entire time. It’s pathetic. But when you see how much she wants to spend on everything, and how it just keeps piling up, you can’t really feel sorry for her. I almost think he kept inviting people just to torture her.

  24. emdee says:

    Now I’m really rambling – never watched any of Dina’s videos either. Just read about them. She might say to me “if you don’t like – don’t watch”. I don’t like and I don’t watch!!!

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      I agree with most of what you said except I DO think Dina has a personality. I actually think she’s very very funny and witty when she relaxes a little bit.

      She definately has a little edginess to her. And I have no problems with it-I actually prefer it to this fake holy roller zen crap. Dina’s challenge is she’s a coward. She’ll talk about you behind your back, she’ll try and cut you when you’re in front of her (ala the sit down with Danielle) but she’s really all talk. Once she’s confronted she absolutely cannot handle it. Probably why she keeps blocking people.

      Just the way she tried to hide behind Caroline when Theresa flipped the table and the look of fear in her eyes until Caroline took the hit for her on that episode was just pathetic.

      Like you-I’m over her, she’s trite and boring. But too bad for her, she really could have carved out a niche for herself and her business with this show and left her dress wearing, lipstick loving husband in the dust.

      All I can say is “run Grandma Wrinkles, run!”

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        you summed it up so well – Dina is someone different in her own mind than in person – and she expected Caroline to bail her out at the table flip supper!

      • Raquel Papel says:

        I have not seen that side of Dina, but it must be there for other people to like her. I neither disliked her or liked her until recently. I grew tired of her tweets about haters. I grew tired of all of them using that lame line to excuse their behavior. It’s childish at best. It’s nothing to get upset about enough to block someone. So, now I dislike her and think she is childish and is very bored w. her fab life.

      • nathania says:

        She wants people to think she is both zen and a bitch. I believe she is a bitch, but you can’t be both. I am from a town that is kind of a hippy sanctuary for buddhist, new age types and they tend to lead pretty impoverished lives, or well below their earning capacity in order to live a simple, spiritual life. I am so unused to seeing folks like her profess to be ‘zen’ like it’s ‘modern’ or ‘neo-classical’, i.e. a decorating style.

  25. The Buzz says:

    This may be old news to some of you, but i just read it on msn.com: there is a Michaele Salahi action figure by a company named Herobuilders. The doll sells for $39.95 and is dressed in the red and gold sari she wore to crash Obama’s first State Dinner. Who would buy this?

  26. Wall St Lady says:

    Quincy r u still here ?
    What is ur muse now.
    I had a friend who painted 100 pictures of Greenspan. I actually helped her get National coverage. She had just finished UVA.

    • cusi77 says:

      WSL_ is Quincy an Artist?

    • quincyil says:

      I only have taken classes from local artists with degrees in Art. I didn’t go to Art School, but I paint and have done it for 17 years.

    • quincyil says:

      I actually prepared water color paper just now. I need to have three paintings for a local contest and there are a couple here that are “possibles.” I am going to take some of my flower summer photos and paint loose watercolors with backlighting. I made one last year about this time for my daughter’s mother in law and it was a hit in New Hampshire with the NYC/Brooklyn/Long Island relatives. They asked for similar paintings. They look really good in dining rooms and they are the full sheet of paper 24 inches by 30.

      Judges around here don’t like barn paintings or flower paintings so I have to come up with something else asap. I take photographs and have sketch books.

      I won a prize in Hannibal, Mo., for George the Rooster. He is my mother’s rooster and he is quite the prima dona. He pulls feathers off the hens though. I think he’s mean.

      • cusi77 says:

        “”George the Rooster. He is my mother’s rooster and he is quite the prima dona. He pulls feathers off the hens though. I think he’s mean.”” Ha! Cute!

        Quincy_ I do enjoy doing Watercolor as well. I would be pleased to see your work… do you have a site in Internet?

  27. Good blog. Dina is crazy. Haha.
    I;m hung over.
    Will come back and post a real comment later.

    • Ellabean says:

      Real !??? At 3:20 in the afternoon? What were you drinking?
      Go get some protein – burger, or eggs, etc.

  28. emdee says:

    Please do Real City Housewife!!! As I stated before, my guilty pleasure is reading about stupid crap Dina Manzo does!!! I can’t wait to hear your twitter story!!!!! What, does Dina stop after every single thing she does and tweet about it? How annoying to the people that must be with her. Get over yourself!

  29. Search the Web on Snap.com says:

    Well I just went nuts as I sent out 4 or maybe it was 5,
    post to some of the Atlanta housewives, and they were
    all nasty too. Well one wasn’t, that was for Kandi. Guess
    I only sent out 3 or 4 then. I remember 2 that were very
    nasty to NeNe and Kim.
    I doubt any of them will get approved. I am beginning to
    think Mr. Cohen has left his orders, that is a list of Posters
    names that are not to allowed on anyones blogs. Oh well if
    he wants to play hard ball, hell I can too………………..Jeepers

    • quincyil says:

      Did you see the commercial where Kim Z is confronted by a new castmember who says that Big Poppa is in foreclosure? Wow. He had a mega mansion. Do these people prepare for rainy days?

    • Jeepers says:

      WTF, who the hell is or maybe I should say, how the
      hell did SNAPON.COM come into play here? I am still
      trying to figure out how my poster name got on AOL
      SEARCH. Anyone got an idea about that?……..Jeepers

  30. WindyCityWondering says:

    Been wondering about the comment regarding Michaele’s buck teeth – the front two look major league capped – like Bugs Bunny….from certain angles they appear too large. When she smiles she looks fine but when she laughs her front teeth look weird.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Because the middle ones need to be filed down. I don’t think they are buck teeth, just long with a weird curve.

    • Raquel Papel says:

      I made a comment about her teeth before, they need some work. With all that money that they have to fly off to Paris at a drop of a hat, they should have thought to get her teeth fixed. Yes, she does need the front two filed down and the color is really odd too.

    • TrueLifeDiva says:

      You would think with as much money as she spends on fake hair that getting her teeth fixed would be a drop in the bucket. Oops, I forgot she doesn’t pay. Maybe she tried to and the dentist demanded a deposit. And I am amazed that Andy Cohen forces us to look at his golden molars and incisors every week. Sheesh, it’s call Crest White Strips. They even have them at Big Lots now. I whiten my teeth every 3 months (addicted) and I’m not even on t.v.

  31. Wall St Lady says:

    Quincy can u do ur scientific work when u want to or do u have a set schedule.
    I talk mostly about the past ; u r reved up like a 20 year old. I don’t know how u do it all.
    I really wanna know how u met
    Mr Quincy & what does he know of the LynnFam

    • quincyil says:

      It’s a schedule. I like to go early and many people don’t so I get most of the start up times. I can leave early if there is coverage…

      My husband is 67 and we have talked about retirement. Financially, we are ready, but neither one of us wants to quit. It seems that we enjoy working.

      • quincyil says:

        Oh… we met on a blind date. I worked with one of his classmates at a hospital and he was dating everyone and tossing them aside for the next. He asked me out many times. Finally, I told him that I would never go out with him, but his best friend on this planet should call me and I would go out with him.
        My quiet gentle husband called two days later and said he was told that I would go out with him. I was in shock and I said, “Yes.” It’s been 38 years and I’m really glad that I said, “Yes.”

        • MAMAZ says:

          That’s a great story.
          My husband and I were fixed up by some really pushy friends.We were both gunshy and not looking for a serious relationship. We decide to play along so everyone would leave us alone. We started “dating”, laughing to each other about how we had everyone fooled. Six months later we ruefully admitted that we were in love. The joke was on us! It’s been fifteen years and we have two children.
          The moral of this story is sometimes your friends know you better than you know yourself. If they say they have the perfect guy/girl for you, they probably do.

          • cyotteeflower says:

            What an endearing story.The ol’fake it till you make it!

          • quincyil says:

            Cool story… isn’t it neat that we found and kept happiness… Some people aren’t as lucky…

          • 2Stupid says:

            My husband and I were set up by friends. Kind of the same story we played along. Ten years, two children later we’re still playing along LOL. Actually my little boy was born on the friend that set us up’s birthday. They celebrate together every year. It’s two weeks before Christmas. The best Christmas present ever!

  32. Wall St Lady says:

    How did u discover the AOL
    Thing ?

    • Jeepers says:

      I was doing a search on AOL regarding Lynns blog site,
      and I saw name posting name there. Is that what you
      were referring to?………………………..Jeepers

  33. lillybee says:

    Note to Dina. When decorating less is more especially if you are going for a Zen theme.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Yea Lillybee, Dina definitely didn’t get that memo

      • Adgirl says:

        Hah. What exactly is Zen about having all that fussy granny stuff all over? Sometimes I wonder why some people have such huge houses that they have to fill up with frippery. I’ve been dying to find out why the OC ladies have fleur de lis all over their homes. It’s like there was 2 for 1 at Tuesday Morning on wall art.

        • Ellabean says:

          Ad,cheese louise, you nail the perfect decriptive every time. You crack me up.

          Yeah – the OC houses and their fleurs and faux Tuscan catalogue chotzkees. I think – – that they think – – that they are buyin’ a bit of old ye olde Europe antiquity. Thus class and heritage and all that stuff.

          And of course the Queen of that design crap is, drum roll: Teresa.

          • MAMAZ says:

            Dina’s house looks like a store. I stayed at a B& B once where EVERYTHING had a price tag. Even the blankets on the bed. Very tacky.
            Dina’s house reminds me of that place.

            • Ellabean says:

              Another very good description, MamaZ.
              B & B exactly.

            • quincyil says:

              What style would you call it? Jeff Lewis is clean contemporary. Ramona’s home looked traditional. Bethenny liked modern.

              Her house just seems cluttered. It is almost the home of a hoarder.

              • cyotteeflower says:

                I once described it as a showroom for silk flower sales.We have such a store here and it also sells antiques and wrought iron do da’s,wall art etc.
                Dina’s house looks like that.It looks like there is no room to move in.And the round informal dining table rocks,and not in a good way.

              • MAMAZ says:

                What style ? Hoarder

        • The Buzz says:

          If I may, Adgirl – They have fleur d’lis all over because it is French and their decor is mostly Fake Francaise d’ Nouveau Riche as opposed to my family who are native New Orleanians and rooting for the N.O. Saints!

    • Snarkella says:

      I can’t even think of one of their (HW’s) homes I’d be comfortable living in other than Bethenny’s. I don’t like to be surrounded by a lot of clutter and nonsense. It suffocates me. I wouldn’t last an hour in Jill’s apartment. I’d be hyperventilating. No wonder her poor dog is bananas.

  34. Wall St Lady says:

    Hi Lilly bee.
    Where have u been ? U were missed.

  35. Wall St Lady says:

    But how did u meet & how did u have the smarts to marry out of ur family history.
    Is he dark & handsome ?

  36. Wall St Lady says:

    Many scientists r smart but dull. How did u get so QUICK witted & fun as well as smart?
    U know there was a little effort to authenticate WSL.
    I think u r over cool & I think u need to b outed ! R u real?
    I think its ur turn !
    :). :). 🙂

    • MAMAZ says:

      WSL – I disagree. Most of the scientists I know are sharp and funny. Just don’t get them started on their field of study. They tend to have the ability to focus and stay on track for a long time when they are passionate about the subject. But get them onto something else and they can rock with the best of them.

      • quincyil says:

        There is a range. I know a lot of people who are introverts and some extroverts. Generally, they are intelligent and get a lot done in a short time. You are right about the rocking… They can hit the town with the best of them.

    • quincyil says:

      Innate behavior. My children are the same.

      My computer whiz son gave a lecture for the international community on security not long ago. There were over one thousand people there. He had them laughing and taught them at the same time.

      • MAMAZ says:

        quincy – I work in an academic setting so most of the folks here know how to talk to people.

      • Sha2000 says:

        Quincy, I’ve read your mentions of your son prior, it sounds like your son & my husband might be in the same field. My husband is in information security also, is known in that field & has lectured, taught and even was a guest “expert” on the radio. BUT Lol, he would hate that I told someone what he does on a blog…shh, don’t tell him, lol.

        • quincyil says:

          I know so much because of my son. When he was young, I spent many the night waiting in a cold car so he could learn about computers from fantastic men in our town. Thanks to all of the mentors out there who care about kids.

  37. Zipit Zarin says:

    If I ever met Foghorn, I’d use the first one on her. LOL

    Paraprosdokian Sentences

    A paraprosdokian (from Greek “O “O speech in which the latter part of a sentence or phrase is surprising or unexpected in a way that causes the reader or listener to reframe or reinterpret the first part. It is frequently used for humorous or dramatic effect, sometimes producing an anticlimax. Some paraprosdokians not only change the meaning of an early phrase, but also play on the double meaning, creating a syllepsis…

    The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it’s still on the list.

    I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn’t work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

    If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong.

    War does not determine who is right – only who is left.

    Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

    Some people are like Slinkies … not really good for anything, but you can’t help smiling when you see one tumble down the stairs.

    I didn’t say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

    A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

    Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won’t expect it back.

    I discovered I scream the same way whether I’m about to be devoured by a great white shark or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot.

    I used to be indecisive. Now I’m not sure.

    To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.

    Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be.

    • Tootsie says:

      Oh, oh, oh, oh. I love your comments. I’m going to memorize them.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        They aren’t mine. I got them from a friend in an email. There were a ton more but I picked out the ones I like. Glad you like them too 😀 I’m going to use paraprosdokian in a sentence this week somehow. My family and friends will know “Ut oh, she’s learned a new word” LOL

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      OMG- I absolutely love this! thank you for posting this, very cool

    • Snarkella says:

      Love this! Thank you Zipit Zarin!

  38. Wall St Lady says:

    Mama Z
    U r right. I was just goading
    Quincy to get her to share how she accomplishes so much. She is a role model to me. She has said I could visit if I moved hay & some smelly stuff (not to b confused w/MM Salami or Gorilla , who R NOT Biodegradable.
    Quincy is my heroine !

    • MAMAZ says:

      She’s my hero too but I’m still not shoveling manure for her! lol
      I shamefully admit to being a total girly girl. I don’t like dirt under my fingernails, own way too many shoes and wear mostly dresses.
      I do like the outdoors,I like to hike but hate when I see snakes. It will keep me out of the woods for months when I do. I like to kayak and canoe. Coincidence that you can do them and keep clean? Most of all I like doing these things then go back to the lodge, have a hot shower, a great meal and a drink or two. You won’t find me in a tent.
      Sigh, I think I’d annoy the hell out of quincy.

      • quincyil says:

        Actually, I don’t like camping. I am outside so much that I like to go to cities and stay in hotels. Camping is too much like home.

  39. Ellabean says:

    Got it!

    Upthread we were discussing and trying to accurately describe Dina’ s (‘Claude’ – tm Boston) decorating style. Some great observations by all. But I couldn’t quite put my finger on it until now. I am sure her furniture and taste and direction was from a now defunct furniture chain called: “Domain”. Declared bankruptcy in 2008 – about 27 stores – NJ and NY and New England maybe other parts of US too.

    They carried semi-expensive antique reproductions mostly French Country – ‘painterly’ colorful homey items. Poofy soft pieces, overstuffed chairs and sofas, and faux hand-painted advanced sort of Shabby Chic, feminine oakie, piney, cupboards, sideboards, oversized dining pieces, headboards and other hard pieces.

    Anybody know what I am talking about here? I think Dina went in , ala Teresa style shopping, and said: I’ll take that, and that, and gimme that and 4 of those, and one of those, and so on….and filled her house up with that stuff. Then she added in some of her Dina-esque annoying cloying silly acessories.

    • MAMAZ says:

      So you think she bought the clearance stock? That would explain having so many pieces stuffed into each room. I bet she sells them to clients of her decorating business. If she really has one. More like flower arrangements for the Brownstone events.

    • Adgirl says:

      I don’t know those stores but it wouldn’t surprise me. Everyone in RHOC has furniture that looks like it’s directly off the floor of a store in Orange County named “Treasures”. You know, all oversized euro-type fill up their oversized euro-type McMansion. The quality wasn;t great either.
      The other popular store is Arte de Mexico wjere you can buy hugemongous tables, doors, fences, statues and chandeliers to fill up the entry way into the house.
      In OC nearly all the houses are the same, Same doors, windows, paint colors, flooring & molding. Every house has stucco. No wood siding or brick. In our neighborhood we had have our landscape approved by the HOA, including the plants. Everyone needed to have a lamps at the end of their walk way by the sidewalk. Everyone!
      The over all effect is boring!
      Is it like that in NJ too?

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      I am so embarassed to admit this but I LOVED that store, I spent way too much money there.

      I love Judy George, the founder. I actually interviewed for the General Manager position of the Boston store, but was passed over because I have no design experience.

      I know, I know-I’m TACKY. But I don’t care, I love my fou-fou, girlie house with ruffles and lace and crystal chandeliers even in my kitchen. It makes me happy and you can’t stop me!!!

  40. MAMAZ says:

    cyotteeflower – I’m worried about you. I hope you are taking whatever measures are necessary to protect yourself. Let us know if there is anything we can do.
    Awhile back I shared some personal history. I had a RL stalker. It was very scary and violent. It is over now, has been for a long time. But I still have nightmares and still look over my shoulder. It has left me with serious trust issues. I get nervous when I hear about others being harassed. Make sure you check in here often so we know your okay.

  41. You guys have been here all day, yet my browser sent me to the old blog??!!???
    Speaking-of Twitter, I posted a new blog, a little Twitter surprize. http://njhousewives.blogspot.com/ Guess which Housewife is winning a brand new Apple Ipad? This girl is just lucky.

  42. Blue Sky says:

    Hi Wall St. Lady,
    I think you have given us too much information, as now I know your true identity. One thing worries me, people who want to make trouble for you. I don’t think you should reveal yourself, as it may negatively affect your company’s business.

    Love your posts, but please be careful!

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Jeez, if you’re concerned about her revealing too much info, why do you publicly post this info? I emailed Lynn in August to express my concern and asked Lynn to let WSL know. I didn’t post what I had learned on the effin internet for all to see and further compromise another poster’s anonymity.

  43. quincyil says:

    Lynn, Cat Omanney is on twitter and tweetmaxine is there. If you like her…. better help her.

  44. Wall St Lady says:

    I am sure iam cyberspace dumb but how can I be hurt. I have never betrayed a confidenc & never posted an untruth. If I seem outspoken in my relationships I am the same in person.
    I see u both as LynnFam but let’s out Gretchen & Need a hobby. I don’t see the point

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Who are we outing and why? I already “outed” myself–on my blog and here with my email, for EMT. LOL. Who is Gretchen and why would we out Need a Hobby? I am now confused. Then again, I am tired so the confusion would be easy! LOL
      Hey, WSL, what was the name of the movie you said you knew some people involved in producing? I was trying to remember, and I do not want to dig through all the past posts. Has nothing to do with finding you out–I am not that savvy! I just can’t remember, but I remember thinking I wanted to try and find a trailor for it, see what it was about.

  45. Wall St Lady says:

    Gretchen what could effect my co. Negatively ? I am not getting drunk at a bar or creating a ponzi or cheating on my husband ? I am not fussing just curious.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Housewives get drunk on the shows and it doesn’t affect their careers negatively 😀

    • quincyil says:

      There is a handful of people who could figure this out. We have geniuses here at research. Your husband has been here and he knows what we discuss.
      I don’t think it’s a problem.

      I am a little disappointed that we aren’t all going to a bar in Manhattan to get drunk like Bethenny and the girls. We can always hope that you change your mind. rotfl

  46. Wall St Lady says:

    Spread & The Greatest

    • Blue Sky says:

      Wall St. Lady, I just see too much crap happen to really good people. In the sense that if some jerk wanted to hurt you by cyber or real life stalking, or spread rumors whatever. I have retired from business myself, so I don’t care who knows that my real name is Gretchen. I don’t however want my real address known, or full name, because you just can’t trust everyone. After today, reading what happened to Cyotteeflower (cyber bullying, upthread) and that MamaZ was stalked in real life, it just makes you take more care. I don’t think anyone of us in the Lynfam would ever hurt you, but there are others that lurk here. I am a very honest, open mid-westerner, so I’ve learned the hard way to be more careful out here in Jersey, (after over 25 years). Some of my friends here where I live (true New Yorkers!) are always reminding me to be careful.

      I do hope you write your book someday, because your anecdotes are wonderful and you have a lot to share. By the way, knowing your initials will not help anyone to find you!

  47. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    This is a tweet from Ashley:

    _ashleyholmes: hey everyone..just so you know..as of right now..i will not be returning for season 3.. but my mother will..i hope we can all still chat 🙂
    6 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

  48. Wall St Lady says:

    Quincy. Maryland ? Or the actor ?

  49. boston02127 says:

    A Well-Planned Retirement

    Outside England’s Bristol Zoo there is a parking lot for 150 cars and 8 buses. For 25 years, its parking fees were managed by a very pleasant attendant. The fees were $1 for cars ($1.40), $5 for busses (about $7).

    Then, one day, after 25 solid years of never missing a day of work, he just didn’t show up; so the Zoo Management called the City Council and asked it to send them another parking agent.
    The Council did some research and replied that the parking lot was the Zoo’s own responsibility. The Zoo advised the Council that the attendant was a City employee. The City Council responded that the lot attendant had never been on the City payroll.

    Meanwhile, sitting in his villa somewhere on the coast of Spain, is a man who’d apparently had a ticket machine installed completely on his own: and then had simply begun to show up every day, commencing to collect and keep the parking fees, estimated at about $560 per day — for 25 years.
    Assuming 7 days a week, this amounts to just over $7 million dollars!
    And no one even knows his name.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Is this for real? That is SO great! I love it when people are creative without hurting anyone. Remember when you had to pick your long distance carrier all the time? You’d get a zillion phone calls asking you to switch to this one or that one. One man bought the rights to a bunch of names of companies like I DON’T CARE, YOU PICK, DOESN’T MATTER TO ME, I’M CONFUSED YOU DO IT etc etc. Every time someone would say one of those he got paid. LOL

      • boston02127 says:

        Zipit Zarin—I’m not sure if it’s real, I got it in an email.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          I hope it is. You know, it made me think again…you shouldn’t ignore people who you think are “nobodies”. Everyone has value…even parking attendants. D’oh! I Who knows, some lucky woman coulda snagged him if she wouldn’t have ignored him like he was invisible 😀

      • quincyil says:

        I love humor with out victime too. Once here, I mentioned that I thought Kathy Griffin was mean and many people thought she was funny. The vote against Cat on WWHL was 34%. That’s about the number of Republicans that are hard core. Some people like Bill Maher, but he was cruel in his movie to the Amish who are the gentlest people on this Earth. I see them and talk to them all of the time. Gentle souls… I think it’s ok to make fun of yourself. I don’t think it’s funny to insult others. especially if they welcomed you into their homes like the Amish did to Bill Maher or to their party like those Republicans did to Cat. Who goes to an event with the intent to be rude to the hosts?

        I bet a lot of the more conservative Americans don’t watch Bravo because of the content. If this was not a study of Human behavior for me, I would not be watching.

        • Adgirl says:

          Amen sister. I said the same after the healthcare party and felt out of step with other posters who apparently thought making fun of Rep event was fine. I’m from Berkeley (still live there) and one day a light bulb went on that it’s politically OK to mock people who are traditional/right. When I think of my wonderful gentle Mid-Western in-laws it just makes my blood boil.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Terrible but clever! That reminds me of the report several years ago that the mob had sold phone cards with no minutes on them; or the real-life guy in Catch me if you can” (played by DiCaprio) who filed out deposit slips w/his account number and left them on the tables at the bank. In three days he made 40k. He withdrew most & moved to do it in another state, etc. This was the 1950’s, very little paper trail if any & a trusting society. Like I said terrible but you have to admit it’s clever!

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        It’s terrible if you take someone else’s money but not terrible if they were going to pay SOMEONE..he did the work, why not get paid?

      • boston02127 says:

        Sha2000 –That was such a good movie.

        • Sha2000 says:

          I read the book first because I was intrigued that the guy worked as a pilot at Pan Am (& I’m a former Pan Amer from a million trillion years ago) & had never flown but he scammed them. I read the book which was a bit slow, the movie in this case was better. The real guy now lectures & my husband either met or heard him speak at some security conference long ago…can’t remember, but the guy now makes big bucks telling co’s what not to do. Funny thing is times were so different then I highly doubt most of it applies today.

    • Snarkella says:

      Wow. Am I the only one who thinks he stole 7 million dollars over 25 years and just because he did it a little bit at a time, it’s still wrong? The $560 a day should have been going to whoever owns the parking lot. To me that is not a victimless crime. Is it okay to steal from someone if they don’t know you’re doing it?

      • oopsy says:

        Snarkella, it was interesting and creative but I have to agree with you. If I owned the lot and people charged my guests without my permission I would be pissed. Wrong is wrong is wrong.

  50. Jeepers says:

    Ms. Zarin,

    Let’s face it deary, you have lost the war, and
    you have no one to blame but yourself. Because of
    your nasty mouth, words that you can never take
    back have come home to roost. We didn’t like what
    you said about Bethenny’s new show to fellow cast-
    mates and definitely didn’t like how you treated
    Alex. Ramona tried to tell you, but you painted
    yourself in a corner. So that is where you will stay.
    I do not even like seeing a photo of you. it disgust
    me so. I’ll not give you a pass, not ever.
    Bethenny’s show is wonderful, you really did mess up
    on all the good times you could have had, and your ego
    got the best of you. I do not think you really meant the
    apologies given. You really are a mean spirited woman
    which I shall never forgive………………Jeepers

    • Jeepers says:

      I just finished this post directly to JZ blog site, bet
      they will not post it tho………….LOL………….Jeepers

  51. LynnNChicago says:


    New (old) blog posted from April 30, 2010 including comments- you guys the comments are hysterical! This blog was written during the heat of the Bethenny/Jill battle – worth another read 🙂

    Thanks everyone!

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      OMG…Kelly with a package photo. LMAO

    • icantstandthetoxicity says:

      I just finished reading the blog from April 30th and the comments. I saw one of my old comments, I said that Gloria looked like a cross between Liberace and the Crypt Keeper. That was mean! I might have been in a bad mood when I posted that comment. 🙂

    • quincyil says:

      I noticed that posts were added long after our original threads were created. I’m sure it’s worth going back to see what others thought.

    • Savannah111 says:

      The old posts I read just brought something back to me..

      Ok so here’s the thing I was thinking the whole time when the episode was on where Alex delivered the message to Jill from Bethenny not exactly Bethenneys words but to the point .. You know how they all have the their little diary of what they were thinking at the time etc… Well in Jill’s she was saying the Alex was breaking out in hives and she just kept wishing she would just spit it out already what was the message just spit it out and blah blah.. Here’s what I was thinking to myself.. I was thinking well JILL if you would have just SHUT the FU*K UP she would have !!! I was really pissed off when it kept going to Jill’s diary before Alex actually relayed the message she wanted to give Jill, Jill said something to the effect of thats always the case with Alex she never comes out and just says things she just lets it simmer..
      IMO thats not the case Alex tried to spit out the rest of the big mouths Jill and Kelly and Luanne the man kept interupting her.. Boy, I can remember the entire scene it just really pissed me off that they always cut Alex off..

      Jill never gave Alex the respect that she deserved ever..

  52. Chris says:

    The reason Dina doesn’t want this news to come out is because she’s being filmed now for the next season of NJ (jump was recorded by Bravo)
    She got what she wanted.
    Pouted, threw a temper tantrum and left the show mid season because she didn’t like Danielle and the same fucking thing will happen the next time she doesn’t like a housewife.
    I heard she passed on some horrible rumors through the local high school about Danielles girls which is why they are now being homeschooled.
    Yup, they cried in the nurses office, because of Dina and Caroline.
    They think they are the McMayors of Franklin Lakes and Bravo and what they say goes,
    Apparently Andy Cohen is afraid of them and Teresa too, so he allows them to play their games,
    I for one and done with NJ and will never watch that trash again.
    I however will cheer when each of them Dina, Teresa, Caroline are brought down by the law.
    Too bad someone doesn’t know how to keep her mouth shut.

  53. Chris says:


    The reason Dina doesn’t want this news to come out is because she’s being filmed now for the next season of NJ (jump was recorded by Bravo)
    She got what she wanted.
    Pouted, threw a temper tantrum and left the show mid season because she didn’t like Danielle and the same fucking thing will happen the next time she doesn’t like a housewife.
    I heard she passed on some horrible rumors through the local high school about Danielles girls which is why they are now being homeschooled.
    Yup, they cried in the nurses office, because of Dina and Caroline.
    They think they are the McMayors of Franklin Lakes and Bravo and what they say goes,
    Apparently Andy Cohen is afraid of them and Teresa too, so he allows them to play their games,
    I for one and done with NJ and will never watch that trash again.
    I however will cheer when each of them Dina, Teresa, Caroline are brought down by the law.
    Too bad someone doesn’t know how to keep her mouth shut.

  54. Sha2000 says:

    Anyone have an Asian supermarket near them? I am having a cup of hot citron honey, that I bought at the Asian market…yum. It looks like a jar of marmalade & has paper thin orange rinds in it, you just add hot water. Only 50 calories per cup. Good for a cold too. I know I sound like a commercial, but it literally is so delicious I had to mention it. I’m a big tea lover & I love citrus, this is some thing a bit different but perfect! If you like those things try it!

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Sounds wonderful. I’ll look for it! And thanx 😀

      • Sha2000 says:

        If you do, let me know what you think. My Japanese friend first served it to me & I flipped for it. It’s a find. Supposedly she says the Japanese one is the best. I only know mine say’s made in NJ.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        Thanx! and Woot on the below I copied and pasted 😀

        Yuzu marmalade can be a ingredient in cocktails. An easy one is the “yu-gin cocktail”: put a few ice cubes in a cocktail shaker, add a few ounces of good gin (my favorite is Plymouth) and a tablespoon of yuzu marmalade, put on the cover, and shake for 10 or 20 seconds. Strain into a chilled cocktail glass. Vodka would be an easy alternative. For a traditional Korean approach, you could use soju—the clear and mostly flavorless alcohol of the Korean countryside—as the alcohol base. The alcohol content is about one-half that of vodka or gin.

    • TLM says:

      Is it called hot citron honey tea, or just hot citron honey? I’d like to try…

    • TrueLifeDiva says:

      I love finding out about exotic and/or healthy new food finds 😀 I will make a note to self to buy some next time I do groceries. Sounds like something that would go well with a movie on a cold winter night. MMMmmmm!

  55. cusi77 says:


  56. Jeepers says:

    Well Lynn,
    I want to personally thank you for your warm welcome
    to your blog site. It has been enlightening to say the least.
    You have many great posters on your site also. So may be
    a little to territorial, that is both understandable and I am
    sure taken with a grain of salt. It has been fun I will say
    for the short time I was here. Good luck to you and I hope to
    see your name in big print some day…………Love……..Jeepers

    PEACE OUT EVERYONE………………………………

  57. Wall St Lady says:

    WSM wants to Poppysmic WSL
    Define Poppysmic

  58. Wall St Lady says:

    I liked Jeepers a lot but I never believed she was 79. She never answered my ??s. I think she/he will come back w/a different name.

  59. cusi77 says:

    Zipit_ You have enlightened me with Maxfield Parrish! What an amzing American Artist! I am a lover of Art and Art History and I have to admit I have never heard about this talented Artist. Tytytyty!

  60. Zipit Zarin says:

    I’m a gonner for Pre-Raphaelites 😀

  61. cusi77 says:

    Yes. Umberto Eco himself! This is his thind book about Beauty. I am in the 3rd. chapter ; Beauty as Proportion and harmony… I can’t tell you how well written it is!

  62. Wall St Lady says:

    sshhh. Maybe when she speaks everyone listen

    By Adgirl on September 25, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    That is priceless !
    U r showing ur age. & ur smarts.
    I did work for EF Hutton!
    I had 5 coffee cups b4 I left

    Thanks for ur brain power but u waste it on me. Who can we figure out next.

  63. Wall St Lady says:

    Watching SNL The Evangical ministers daughter
    She is so cute. Major hips but a fab show but what’s w/the “whole lotta woman” dancer. I gues its cutting edge as she is its just unusual

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Blogger NaughtyNiceRob just told me that the movie Wall Street 2 was great and he recommends it, are you going to see it?

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Mocking Christians is all the rage yaknow. It’s the one thing that is PC.

      • quincyil says:

        Yes, because they are afraid of what will happen to them should they mock other ethnicities.

        • Adgirl says:

          I know. I posted up thread that I live in Berkeley, where I was born. Thought Police everywhere. It upsets me that people like my hsband and his Mid-Western parents are mocked so severly. They worked hard their whole lives doing back breaking work. My husband put himself through college (Carnegie Mellon)and studied hard. No freebies for any of them. No step up helping hands. Just the opposite in fact. They believe in working hard and taking care of your family.
          Something wrong with that?

  64. cusi77 says:

    Nighty night to everyone.

  65. LynnNChicago says:

    Hey I had an idea, if anyone is willing to share their photograph with the group, I am going to start a new page (up top just like the Giudice document) and include any photos of poster’s here.

    If anyone is willing to allow me to post their photograph, please email it to me and I’ll post it so that we can all up names to faces. What do you all think?

    Email LynnAHudson@aol.com

  66. Wall St Lady says:

    SNL Katie Perry. Beautiful but her thighs r the
    Size of my waist

    I mentioned I was w/my QVC Queen & in the elevator @ St Regis hotel & an actor is in the elevator & none of knew who he was.
    I asked him what was his next film. Afterward I wished I had thought to mention our film co. I am not shy. Anyway it was
    Stanley Tucci.

  67. Wall St Lady says:

    Tiny always reminded me of a corpse & Icabod Crane.
    You didn’t take a rose to smash in a book ?

  68. Zipit Zarin says:

    I was onna plane with Alice Cooper. He was a very attentive husband and doting father from what I witnessed. Turns out he is a Christian and “preaches” with his music now.

  69. cyotteeflower says:

    Something changed in me tonight.I need to tell you that cyber hate it much more intense and destrustive to the sense of self than anything I have ever lived through.
    It doesn’t seem at all logical and you may choose not to believe me but this past week has torn me in ways before unknown.
    Maybe because there can be no understanding of why.Maybe because of shear numbers of people hurling lies and insults and then laughing at you as if the lies were real.
    If someone doesn’t like you for something you’ve done you can work to change.If someone hates you for something they think youve done there is nothing.
    Without saying more I want you all to know this.We are all real people.We all want to be liked and accepted.When you recognise that someone is wounded or different somehow please try your best to be kinder.
    I don’t know what horrible thing I did that anyone would want me dead.Tonight I found out someone I confided in was connect to the bullies from a totally different place.After I told her everything last night she tweeted something about me trying to kill myself on twitter.As ridiculous as that sounds several of my twitter peeps believed her.I begged this psychologist person to produce the proof.She and some others told me to F off and go to sleep.
    That has been what has happened at other sites all week.Make up a lie,everyone jump on hate hate hateHATE now go away.I’m sorry this is rambling I am still shaken up.

    • quincyil says:

      The twitter world seems incredibly inhumane to me. Why don’t you shut down that site. Disappear for a period of time and then go back, if you want to with a new identity.

      I can read people’s twitter by googling the reality star’s name and the word “twitter.” You can follow people without dealing with the people and their games.

      Forget trying to control the net and people. Look at tweetmaxine. He never gives up.

      Why let pain come into your life?

    • quincyil says:

      Yes, cyberspace is the haven for those people. Run like the wind away from that. This is not the place for you, girl.

      I like this place. Lynn monitors and she is strong. The other women here are respectful and kind. It’s a haven.

      Do not let people who really don’t know you affect you like this. Sign off from that account or just drop it and never go back. It’s not a battle that you need to win.

    • anon says:

      @cflower. I understand you. I haven’t experienced cyber bullying, but have been in this exact position with my own family – for most my life. They’ve blamed me (and laughed at me) for all kinds of things they THOUGHT about me. I wasted a great deal of my life and energy DEFENDING myself because they’ve made up stories. ‘What the hell are you talking about?’ is a common phrase that has come out of my mouth.
      I hope you can shake the feeling and get on with your life – it’s awful to find out you trusted people who cannot be trusted, but it’s just not your fault and there is nothing you can do when ppl lie, but tell them the truth. Or just walk away. What matters is YOU know the truth and no one can take that away from you.

      • quincyil says:

        A first cousin who I hadn’t seen or talked to since I was 14 told my brother that I was a bitch and wondered why he would come to visit me. One of my sisters made a rude comment about me and something that I did, according to her, when I was 12, that upset my husband when he listened to her.

        Family …shesh… They think they can say anything and be forgiven.

    • quincyil says:

      wow.. I googled “twitter stalkers” and it’s really awful out there.


      Scary… my son warned me about these people. He has to deal with attacks from the Chinese and Middle Easterners daily. There are attacks from Africa too. He just bans them… They will come back in other attempts, but then you wipe them out again. You don’t get emotional. You just shut the door on their foot.

    • Ione says:

      Please take quincy’s advice and sign off the account. Don’t interact with the bullies and don’t take it personally. Those people enjoy picking on others and don’t know you or care about you.

      Sign off, don’t go back, please.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:


      I don’t know if this will help you feel better or not, but this article opened my eyes up alot to these type of attacks.

      It’s long, but may make you feel better. Basically, it’s not personal- you just stumbled into someone’s cross hairs. (at least that’s what it sounds like in your postings here):


    • please don't beat up on me says:

      In all honesty, you have to recognize that you own a part of the exchange that originally occurred on RT two weeks ago. While that whole exchange was extremely disturbing on many levels, you had the opportunity to end it when you left to pkg your cobbler. I have been very distressed by some of your posts and have worried about what the after-effects might have been. But when you re-appeared under another name and initiated yet another disturbing exchange and then the one that you entered into last night with Aileen and Veronica, I’ve decided that perhaps you enjoy these kinds of situations. There is no reason for the others to belittle you and call you an “IT” and for that, there is nothing I can say to change that other than to say that I am sorry that occurred. But, you need to take ownership as well. In both exchanges, you were very oppositional and when afforded the means to end the situation at hand, you continued to return to push and provoke until they attacked you again. Then in the second exchange, you resorted to using slurs that once again provoked the others into fighting back and we once again descended into madness. But then to read your postings since these instances of “cyber-bullying” and to find you reaching out for comfort and to try to create the appropriately injured demeanor, I find that you are perhaps more damaged than any of your victims could know. You are crafty and very intelligent, you really are. But, I caution you to exercise care in creating these scenarios in the future. The world is full of angry people and if you continue in this game you’ve constructed, you may find someone that does not find any humor in what you’ve done and try to take their revenge. I would also suggest that you leave your 18yr old granddaughter out of your schemes – she should not be included and could suffer at your hands without ever having any knowledge of what you’ve done using her personna.
      I realize that many of your fellow posters here at Lynn’s blog may be angry at me for this post, but I encourage all off them to simply visit RealityTea, search for “Cyottee” and read the full exchange on the 15/16th of September, and then to search for “Memphis” and read the two exchanges under that moniker and then go to her Twitter account and read the full exchange between Cyottee and the other two ladies. It is truly an amazing web, and you will be stunned at the cunning ability of this individual to create such anger in people that are not known for being angry and mean.
      I apologize for the length of this post, but I wanted to provide another viewpoint of the story behind Billie’s post.

      • OneMoreinBoston says:


        OK- I won’t beat up on you. But why are you bringing a feud that happened on another site here? And one that happened almost 2 weeks ago?

        Why is it so important to bring in “another viewpoint to the story”?

        As long as @cyotteeflower has posted HERE, she has always been polite and respectful and I’ve never seen her use slurs to insult anyone.

        I, for one, am certainly not going over to another site and looking up some incident that happened over there almost 2 weeks ago to please someone who obviously has an agenda.

        What that agenda is- I’m not quite sure unless it’s to try and humiliate someone here by “outing” their behavior on another board.

        Now, seems to me that YOU are the one who is deliberately seeking “to push and provoke until they attacked you again”


      • quincyil says:

        Hi. If the people involved in this are reasonable as you suggest, would you please ask them to stop contacting cyottee and allow her to stay here with us. Sometimes, people get upset and can’t let it go. Two weeks is a long time. Again, if you are what you say, walk away from this and allow her to be here.

        • please don't beat up on me says:

          Actually, noone has contacted her – she decided to take the initial conversation to a woman that says that she is a degree’d therapist to have her analyze the situation. The woman did not share her ‘take’ on the ‘abuse’ she suffered on the other site and Billie took offense. She then indicated that she was thinking of harming herself and that resulted in the concern evidenced. The ‘twitter war’ she is engaged in with this individual and another frequent poster on this site was quite telling last night. She has posted a tremendous amount of personal information about herself all under the guise of her grandaughter’s picture, which could be problematic in and of itself. She has not been contacted by myself or any other person from the other site, this is yet another ploy for you to offer comfort and assistance.
          I am/was concerned about her mental state, and after what she displayed last night, that concern is well placed, however, I will not fall for her shenanigans again. I wish her well, and hope that she discontinues this behavior.

          • quincyil says:

            Then, please leave her with us. I would appreciate your help in having the others understand that she can be here under Lynn’s rules. Everyone has to survive on this planet. She can stay here.

            • Bob Loblaw says:

              We tried to explain that exact thing over on the “other” site, but she kept coming back and back, hurling gay slurs, and encouraging, YES encouraging people to look her up….google her, check out her information…boggles the mind. I hope she took your advice quincy…she really needs a break from the cyberworld if she can’t handle it.

      • cyotteeflower says:

        Wallflower you have stalked me once again.It is very telling that I have been chatting on message boards since 2004 without insident till I met up with RT.The fact that you needed to follow me here after I left RT says it all.
        To those who know me and have supported me,Thank You!
        I want to assure you that I never started trouble but stood up or myself when I found it.I never involved my beautiful granddaughter in anything other than innocently having her picture as my avatar on twitter.When it was suggested this mess could harm her I took it down.
        At no time did I hint at committing suicide and tried to prove it by having my accuser post the evidence.She responded by blocking me.Her actions tell the story.I did not stalk this person as has been claimed.I had contact with her at twitter only with a discussion begining about a TV show and ending 28 hours later with a gang bang and unsubstaniated claims.
        The end.Lessons learned.
        Thanks again to those who have known me over months for standing for me at a time when I was unable to stand for myself.

        • Bob Loblaw says:

          Wow…..just wow….you are so nice and sweet and righteous over here…..had you come in with this attitude, I imagine your experience over “there” would have been a lot more enjoyable.

        • please don't beat up on me says:

          This will be my last communication to you. I am not Wallflower, I hate to break that to you, but I am not that individual. If you were to review the fraud that you perpetrated on us, you would see that I am the only individual that offered compassion to both of your personalities. I was more distressed by your game than you might have expected, but I am sure that you are enjoying the knowledge that someone was gullible enough to fall for you and to cry about the treatment you rec’d. Billie, you are a very troubled individual and you should take the transcripts of all of these instances to your therapist and not Veronica, and ask them to help you understand the pathology involved in this game you’ve constructed for your amusement. I’m not certain why you chose this game and why you derive such pleasure from this, but please do not do this to anyone else. It is truly a horrific circumstance that shaped you in your childhood and for that I am truly sorry. You should never have to suffer like that at the hands of your family – they should be the ones to offer you comfort and peace.
          The young lady on this site that bore the brunt of your anger and the anger of your ‘friends’ that, in innocence, used the moniker of ‘Wallflower’ is yet another victim of your sick game and has enough in her life to work through and process. She does not deserve the trouble caused by her use of this moniker and for that, I do apologize to her and offer my condolences. I took care of my Grandmother for more than a year prior to her death, and no matter how prepared you may think you are, you still feel the pain and it does still tear at your heart.
          Billie, I truly hope that you find peace within yourself and ask that you not continue to play these games. They do hurt more people than you are aware of, and that simply cannot be worth it to make you smile for a few minutes.

          • cyotteeflower says:

            Nice try with your dumb story of me.Like I said there was never any problems in my online life till I met up with RT.You are Wallflower.Take your delusional attemps to harrass me and go back to RT.
            The women here see through you.

        • Bob Loblaw says:

          Actually, it isn’t Wallflower. I was reading on the other site, and I know exactly who this poster is, and I can tell you 100% not Wallflower….this is probably the only person that was trying to be kind to you after all the crap you stirred up.

  70. This mystery is driving me crazy. Maybe it was one of you guys who posted this link to Gawker earlier? http://gawker.com/5639947/teresa-guidice-is-paying-off-her-debt-with-awkward-old-photos
    Its an item about the silly photo of Teresa & Joe, from 1984, (according to In Touch Weekly).
    Anyhoo-someone at Gawker pointed-out in the replies, that that particular fashion, (if you can call large licensed cartoon character shirts a fashion), was not from the early 80’s. Hmmmmm.
    Here’s where I need some help: 1- Can ANYONE, (please), name the cartoon lady on Teresa’s sweater?
    And 2- So, if this photo was taken in 1984, and Teresa is 38, as has been claimed, that would make her 12 years old in this photo. How believable is it? and any other clues to authenticate when this picture was taken.
    I don’t remember ever having a cartoon shirt myself, but I do remember a large shirt, with a parrot-(thank God there is no picture!)…but this mystery, if there is one, is driving me crazy. I would post the photo here, but I don’t know how to do that-and I don’t know if it is allowed since they are selling those pics.

    • quincyil says:

      They do look young, but he has a mustache. Italians might mature at a young age, Iranians do. Your math is correct if she is 38 now. She doesn’t look like a 12 year old to me. Maybe in NJ, twelve year olds look older.

      • vilzvet says:

        Well I’m fairly certain that the photo is NOT from ’84. She could be 16 in that photo, so more like ’88. Not a big error…

    • Buffywood says:

      I didn’t follow the link this time but are you looking for the name Tasmanian Devil? I think that is what was on it last I looked.

    • error404 says:

      it’s almost impossible to tell, as she is sitting down, has 80s oversized/figure obscurig clothes on, a TON of make-up, earrings, big home-eprmed hair, etc…

      I would say 2 things are very possible:

      1. She’s 12 but tarted up like a 30 yo divorcee on the make, or…

      2. She lies about her age and is 40 or 42.

      1. I find it hard to believe her OTB father permitted her to leave the house at 12 w/ all that slap on

      2. She did go to a fertility clinic for her last child

      So I’m gonna place my bet on “She’s 42 and lying about her age”

      That said, she and Rachel Zoe must be the two most haggard 38 yos around. Blech.

  71. Sorry I forgot to turn-off the italics in my last post. I know this is off topic, but I have got to complain about something. My neighbor runs a catering business out of her home.
    It is 3:30 am here right now, and, (once again), the aroma of ????????? I don’t even know what it is-maybe meatloaf? It smells like it has ketchup in it whatever it is…………….the smells that this woman produces just drive me nuts sometimes.
    Seriously I would never ever complain about it, (as-in “officially” make a complaint to my city), BUT-I can certainly understand why there are zoning laws about this kind of thing.

    • quincyil says:

      I lived in a subdivision a while back and there was a convenant. People were always breaking the rules. One had a business and semis delivered to her door. The rules did apply to some people who weren’t in the clique though.
      I live in the middle of no where now and I prefer that.

      Bethenny lives in a building with food and marijuana smells. She pays a lot for the sensory experience.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      You should check to see if there are zoning ordinances that are in place. You would be amazed at what people think they can do because “it is my house”!

  72. quincyil says:

    I looked at Cat’s blog. She states that Erica is single and that she is joined at the hip with Stacy. I noticed that one poster called Erica a lesbian. I guess that is because Erica supports equality in marriage. Erica can me heterosexual and not married.

    I read elsewhere that Erica has a very successful business. I think she devoted her life to making that work.

    So… the way Erica spoke to Cat with a “prove yourself to me” attitude was probably from the business like Jeff to Jett. That’s how Erica runs her life and her business.

    I have had to help a friend close up her long term business and she treated me like an employee when I was only helping a friend in need. Another friend, who worked for the retiring woman said that under stress this is the way she reacts. I accepted that.
    Friends accept these things and understand.

    Cat doesn’t want to be Ericka’s friend. She states this in her blog. Erica shouldn’t bother trying with Cat either. They should be cordial to each other from now on.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      http://erikadc.com/ Erika’s web site shows a bit about her business.

      Erika’s most recent tweets:

      @erikaindc: Don’t give me that bad body language….
      @erikaindc: The morning after….so what did everyone think? Do tell! Business as usual for me!

      • quincyil says:

        Do you know what she means by the “Don’t give me that bad body language..” remark?

        I think that body language is essential to understanding the statements of individuals. An employee can be saying, “Yes,” and have the head going back and forth in a “No.” I believe the body language over the verbal response.

        Mary and Stacy have swatted their long term friend on the tushie. Or…thrown her under the bus. They said it was out of character for her to act that way at the dinner. Why does Cat get a pass for “change” while Erica gets the fly treatment? It’s the “we are housewives and you are not” clique that we see in all of the shows. My how a tiny bit of fame can cause “change.”
        Of course, “change” is still ” turned into a bitch” in Illinois’s colloquialism.

        Erica probably feels she is correct in her “Perception” of Cat so she doesn’t want to pull back from her statements. She doesn’t have to drop down on her knees and beg everyone’s forgiveness. I wouldn’t do it. That’s probably why I am not so popular with certain people here. rotfl.

        • Snarkella says:

          Erika doesn’t have to drop down on her knees, but probably if she stopped shouting mean girl every three minutes that would be a good place to start.

          Stacy and Mary weren’t choosing Cat over Erika by any means. They simply let Erika know she behaved badly and they did it in a very nice way, not in front of Cat which would have embarrassed Erika. Cheers to Stacy and Mary! That’s what good friends do.

          I am sure Stacy and Mary are aware that Cat can be rude at times, but they do what nice people do. They roll their eyes and get on with it. It’s not necessary to confront people and attempt to “annihilate” them over every little perceived slight.

      • quincyil says:

        I read the statement on her blog about race. I liked the last paragraph which stated that both Blacks and Whites need to reflect on our own words. She mentioned sheets in our closests. I bet she has sheets in her closet too. We all have them neatly folded next to the extra towels and extra table clothes. We all have linens. We all are exactly the same. I hope Erica figures that out.

        I like strong women. You have to take the good and the bad with them. You should tell them when they are out of line, and Erica got the message. rotfl… big time…

      • quincyil says:

        See… brilliant woman… she protected her tweets so riff raff like me can’t see them. She’s smart to do that. rotfl

        • anniieee says:

          I replied upthread about Erica–Here is my take… MANNERS…what the heck happened to them. If you don’t like someone – don’t call them out in front of people in a social setting…That was rude and uncalled for and put everyone into the situation. I call what Erica did as lowclass-noclass.

          Body language–I just saw the scene. I learned in an English class in college all about body language. If you look at Erica–she is totally in Cat’s face – an intimidation factor-and trying to hold her so she can’t get away. Cat is probably trying to get Erica out of her personal space- as she had just been jumped on in a social setting by this classless Erica.

          If we were more polite–we wouldn’t have things like Road rage..etc…Erica is a perfect example of–“I am so important–that my way is absolutely correct and what I say goes–and don’t you dare cross me, because I am a hipster DCer and will cut you down to size.

          I don’t like her one bit.

          • quincyil says:

            LOL… and this is what makes us more intersting. No Stepford wives in this haven.

            What would Caroline Manzo say about that night? Was Erica aggressively defending her friend of a decade, Mary, who was too drunk to defend herself? Is Erica, the Teresa of the fashion show looking for a fight and chasing after the victim Danielle (Cat) when the victim attempted to flee the crime location? Both Danielle with her “Ashley is a coke whore” and Cat with her more than once harrange about Mary and her daughter’s troubles taunted.
            Both Danielle and Cat had a history before the encounter.

            Yep. It was a cat fight, not unlike the NJ cat fights. This one was done in a very nice living room filled with educated, intelligent women. No table tossing, no running down the halls, lots of words and lots of body language.

            See why I watch these shows? Honestly, with some of writers here and their talents we should get a publisher and create a guide to the Bravo shows. We could hit it from all directions….

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            don’t like Erika either – don’t like the rest of them for sitting there “stunned” instead of telling her to back the hell off Cat. Erika is a wannabitch!

            • Snarkella says:

              They were in a tough spot. Hindsight is 20/20. They probably wanted to say something but at the same time didn’t want to embarrass Erika because she’s their good friend of many years.

              I give them a pass because sometimes by the time I figure out what I should say in a situation, the opportunity has passed. When you’re shocked and surprised you don’t always have the perfectly correct response in your back pocket.

  73. Wall St Lady says:

    Happy Dance while singing
    “Oh Happy Day”

    The 2 NC state papers didn’t waste any ink discussing
    Ms Gorilla’s Raleigh book signing at a college dive Thus 10pm-2am. I hear she charged a cover charge & when the kids herd she wasn’t even an unknown band ,they left.
    So much for success in my town which by the way has 2 Black Universities :Shaw & St.Augustine , 3 Women’s Colleges,St.Marys & Meredith and NC State. Duke & UNC Chapel Hill r both 25min away.

  74. Wall St Lady says:

    I left off the 3rd womans college Peace College

  75. Wall St Lady says:

    Erica’s biz sounds like a temporary employment agency for maids to personal assistants. I would say sign me up but I find it is easier to do it myself than take the time to train.
    If she provides a temporary to permanent employment I like that. I have a family of lovely Colombians who have helped us around the house for 18 years. They have more designer purses & shoes than me. Main thing I love is I never tell them a thing to do. They manage me.
    Quincy u once asked the $rates. It is $15-$20/hr. I have family members in NC who have 2 college degrees who make $8/hr so I am not stupid. BTW legal US Citizens w/SS taken out. I keep telling them one day they will like it. Meantime I pray SS will b there for us all.

    • quincyil says:

      I insist on paying SS for any help on the farm and I have workman’s comp and an insurance policy to help if something happens. I knew a female Indian physician who hired an American African American for over 20 years and paid cash..and very little cash trust me on that. When the lady was ready to retire, her daughter took her to the SS and found no money in her mom’s name. Huge problem for the Indian physician. Lawsuits, government penalties, back pay to meet minimum wages… so many issues… Lawyers fees…

      Be honest. People need to pay into SS so they get some SS and Medicare when they are old. For some people, that is all of the income they will have when they are old and they will need every dime.

  76. boston02127 says:

    Good morning ☼

    I have on the RHODC repeat. Watching Michelea pretend to be a cheerleader, she’s making a fool of herself. I think if I were going on national TV to lie, I would have said I was a rocket scientist and not a washed up looking cheerleader.

    • butterisafruit says:

      Good Morning!
      I watched the repeat yesterday. She came right out and said …”I’m a former Redskins Cheerleader” She didn’t say it was a benefit for being in the alumni. She said she was a FORMER cheerleader.

      • quincyil says:

        Just like the medical records, show us one photo of you on the field in the 80’s, Michaela.

        It’ s so each to prove her claims if they are true.

    • quincyil says:

      She was peppy and hugged the other cheerleaders. I loved when the instructor moved her to the outer edge so she wouldn’t have to watch her cheer.

      If Michaela wasn’t such a fake and a liar, I’d like her. She’s more fun than Lynda and Cat rolled into one.

    • quincyil says:

      I think Erica made and impression on the DC producers and she is going to be in season two as a housewife. Maybe, one of her employees will pick up dog poo for Cat and report back to us. Someone has too, right? What happened to the three dogs? The girls are in bording school. I hope the dogs didn’t have to go to a boarding school too.

      The teachers here nominated my daughter to the Ill School of Math and Science. She got accepted. I thought about it, but I decided that she would get a good education here with those teachers who wanted the best for her. She got into Brown Med and did a Harvard residency. Staying home didn’t hurt her one bit.

      Cat’s daughters have each other while away at school. I hope that they will be ok.

      • anniieee says:


        • quincyil says:

          rotfl…. you are wonderful…

          • Char212 says:

            I think Erica might be the kind of person who automatically thinks that if a white person doesn’t like a black person that they have have to be racist. It doesn’t cross her mind that you can not like them just because you don’t like them as a person and it has nothing to do with their color. It doesn’t matter if they are black, blue or orange or white, if you don’t like them, you just don’t like them plain and simple. It is possible to not like someone just because of how you perceive them and has nothing to do with what color they are. I’ve met people like that (black and white) and it’s so frustrating to talk to them.

            • quincyil says:

              I suspect that I am equally unliked by
              Black people and White people especially when I have to asign a work schedule for Thanksgiving,
              Christmas and New Years.

            • WindyCityWondering says:

              very good perspective – if we take every thing/act/comment on a race level instead of on an individual person level then we will never be a positive example of either

        • Olivia says:

          Both Cat and Erica have HUGE chips on their shoulders. Trying to determine which one of these two is less insufferable to have around is time wasting.

          They share the same gene as JZ: a heavy does of self love.

          They can live with the “love/hate” as long as it guarantees a place on tv.

          I would not wish to spend time with either one of them as Cat would be looking to “mock” while Erica would be looking to take “offense” at anything said.

          A pox on both houses.

          • quincyil says:

            rotfl… I am into de poxing houses. It’s my job. LOL.

            I think the only one of all of the housewives that I’d like to have dinner with would be Sonja Morgan. I think she’s intelligent, honest and funny in a good way.

            I like Bethenny’s show, but she’s too frenetic for me. I might like Stacy in real life. She’s real and reminds me of my niece. I can’t think of any other housewife that I would enjoy meeting.

            I’d like to meet and have Jeff Lewis decorate my house. I think most of the time he’s professional. I want to get rid of a lot of stuff.

            • TLM says:

              OMG, I think I’d rather have 10 root canals without anesthesia than have Jeff Lewis work on my home. He is rude and overly personal not only with his staff, but with clients. I also think his “style” is not any sort of genius, but is rather predictable, ultra-modern stuff. Every kitchen he does looks the same that I can recall. I feel badly for him that Ryan apparently screwed him over in that whole computer flap, but a part of me wonders how Ryan put up with Jeff for so long.

              I would save yourself a ton of money and just declutter. Box it up, bag it up and give it away. That costs nothing. Call a charity and have them come pick up what you don’t use, and get a receipt so you can take a deduction at tax time. There is no magic in Jeff’s designs…he simply puts very few elements in a room and he tends to use very neutral paint colors.

              • anniieee says:

                As I am kinda of a klutz– I would like to have dinner with Teresa… I would get up too quickly and accidently push the table away and over. Of course we would be drinking red wine and eating pasta–so all of that food would land all over her leopard print dress.

                Sonja is my choice as well…but for laughs–I would go bar-hopping with Ramona and Bethenny. If I was suffering from insomnia–it would be LuMann–and if I needed a psyche check…Koo koo for cocoa puffs–just to make sure–I was normal.

          • OneMoreinBoston says:


            So happy to see you!

            When you stated on your last post that you were going to “fade away into oblivion” I thought we lost you. Missed you, and glad to see your pithy comments.

      • Unless Cat planned carefully in advance before she moved back to the UK the dogs wound up in the UK quarantine system. The UK has changed the law in the past few years, but the paperwork is tedidous and if she didn’t have documentation done ahead of time (with microchips, ect), the dogs were put in the UK state run kennels.

      • nathania says:

        One scene that bothered me with Cat was the scene where the daughter comes in and says she got an A on her math test and it was 120 questions and (unless this scene was edited for time which would be a relief to me), Cat says, Eddy-style “that’s nice sweetie-darling but let’s focus on mummy now” and launches into the story about her deceased friend. 120 questions on a math test for me at that age (and this age) is the equivalent of torture. Plus it was inappropriate for Cat to lean on her daughter for emotional support in that way. I like her humor because it is my sense of humor as well but there is definitely a strand of narcissism among many of these women on these shows that becomes most glaring in their interactions with their children.

        • quincyil says:

          I forgot that. I listened to it at the time and was in shock. I have never in my life asked my child even my adult child to focus on me. Oh, thanks so much for bringing this to our attention.

          Who does that?

  77. Wall St Lady says:

    Cflower. I am the same age as Quincy.
    I have always subscribed to Oscar Wilde’s statement :
    “A woman who will tell her age will tell ANYTHING”

    I am very upset at your recent cyper experience. U were basically ambushed & beat up. Sounds like u got the $hit kicked out of u.
    My first response is to tell the coward : I am very sorry u have a teeny weeny penis that doesn’t work & not even hired hands will touch even if they could find it. Oh if u r a woman same goes ur balls stink.
    Alright now that we have given a verbal lashing.
    I warn u I am a witch & u now have a spell on U. I won’t b responsible for the horrible fate ahead of u but moving ur family to a bomb shelter that is sealed for the next year might b advisable.
    Last I am part of a family (notice for protection I didn’t say LynnFam). My family supports me and I have a safe place where u R NOT WELCOME. IF U EVEN PUT a TOE here we would throw ur a$$ back to Hell where U Belong. Meantime there is hope there is a home page for Teresa Guidice & she welcomes all degenerate into the arms/tentacles of her stinky so wo wo.
    God help u but we here ant gonna try. Go crawl back under ur rock Opps don’t do that I would be tooo tempted to step on it.
    Hey TUNA Breath
    Got the picture ?

    I feel much better. Do U.

    As Joan Crawford said when the board members tried to throw her off:
    “DON’T FUCK with me boys.
    This ain’t my first time at the Rodeo !”

  78. boston02127 says:

    According to Simon, Tamra became irate when she ‘ran into’ Simon’s new girlfriend, a woman Simon’s been dating for two months.


    • quincyil says:

      Let me guess. The new love of Simon’s life is a much younger version of Tamra who is allowed to wear the sexy outfits that he felt Tamra was too old to wear.

  79. Wall St Lady says:

    I wrote a post to C Flower that took me 20min to write & it went out to cyber space. I hope it reappears. Luv u C Flower !

  80. boston02127 says:

    Have a good morning. 🙂

  81. klmh says:

    Boston o2127:
    Sorry, the story is false, but its a good one…


  82. anniieee says:

    @quincyil–i think this is the first time I have disagreed with you on your take about a housewife. I just find Erica rude, without manners and classless. I don’t see her as a strong woman, but an insecure one–trying to edge her way into the show “with a storyline.” My mom raised me with manners, to be polite in social settings to help everyone feel comfortable. If you didn’t agree, there was a polite way to do it–you didn’t call names and attack the person… “mean mean mean.” I find her nasty. She made everyone uncomfortable with her attack on Cat–and Lynda spoke up!! Good for Lynda– Integrity is just a word without courage. Erica can go away–she adds nothing as far as I am concerned, except putting a bad name on women, again.

    • anniieee says:

      @quinceyill—And now I agree with you!! A pox on both houses..yippee… they are both fugly…but I like Cat more. Not much more, but a little bit more. Can’t muster up much interest in any of them.

      • Olivia says:

        Someone mentioned upthread that the DC cast was the “smartest” group so far.


        Michaele is an idiot. Mary close to comatose. Stacie wants to inform her uninformed brother of their mother’s past life via Facebook. Lynda defends Mary’s handling of Lolly because she herself just purchased a huge home so that her adult children can come live with her. And Cat insults everybody and everything in sight as she whines about the same treatment.

        Unless I am missing a huge chunk of the action, there really is no reason to believe that these women are “the smartest” group of women on a franchise that has yet to display much in the way of “smarts”.

        • quincyil says:

          Olivia, that is comparing the DC housewives to Atlanta, NJ, NY and OC. The bar isn’t set very high. rotfl…

          • Olivia says:

            It is safe to suggest that none of these “stars” would fit the Mensa requirements but I would have a very difficult time trying to choose just one who fit the into the category of “smart”.

            With the exception of Bethenny who parlayed her appearance into a business, “smart” is not a word I would associate with any one of them.

            Self centered, ambitious, canny, tough, aggressive, perhaps, but smart, not so much.

            • TLM says:

              Not to split hairs, but Bethenny already had a business when she came to Housewives. She already also had her first book deal. She just used the show to help promote them.

            • quincyil says:

              “Smart” in the sense of “wily.” I think the DC girls are long time associates/friends who discussed going on this show and the pitfalls. They probably have an agenda promoting their businesses and charities and agreed to support each other. The news of the Jill Zarin war against Bethenny was out long before these women filmed and they knew that they had to try and avoid this pitfall.

              So now, Olivia, your theory comes into play. These women decided to self script their lives for the benefit of Bravo and the profits they hoped to reap as a result.

              See… wily… smart… crafty…

              Stay tuned for the Wily Coyote kaboom just ahead on that curve… Erica.. explodes… rotfl.

              • Olivia says:

                I think it is interesting to pin down the term “friends” when it comes to these series.

                They touted the Jill/Bethenny friendship to such a degree that we were led to believe they lived in each other’s pockets. Yet I remember the first series where Jill basically introduced Bethenny to Ramona in LI.

                Jill is then seen introducing Bethenny to both Lu Ann and Alex at a lunch that same first season.

                One would assume that had they been so close, Bethenny would have not needed to be introduced to either one. Lu Ann and Ramona did have some past relationship. But I remember the first season when Lu Ann hardly knew Ramona when they both attended the horse show where Victoria was competing.

                It is probably that Jill and Bethenny “hit it off” when the series began but I question how close they were other than what the “storyline” that developed from their appearing on the same show.

                It would follow that Bethenny would have been aware of both Lu Ann and Ramona had she and Jill been that tight.

            • nathania says:

              I do think we were mislead a bit by the series but I imagine there were slim pickings DC wise because a lot of folks in the political circles are too smart to allow themselves to be filmed, and participate in the lop-sided editing that Bravo is known for. I wouldn’t mind if they re-cast the whole show leaving Cat in for comic relief and asking Stacie (you don’t get a Masters from Harvard without being intelligent) to ask three or four of her friends to join the cast.

              • quincyil says:

                Think this group will be invited to a lot of events when some of them come in costume? I don’t think so.

        • TLM says:

          I like Mary. I don’t know what it is, maybe the fact that she’s pleasant and she’s a calming influence. I am more drawn to people like that than people as manic as Ramona, Danielle, Caroline, Sheree or Vicki. Or as nutty as Kelly, Teresa, or Kim Zolciak. But I do think Mary is more interesting than say, DeShawn of Atlanta.

          • quincyil says:

            Mary’s constant reminder that she, her sister, and daughter are all the same age throws me for a loop. I think she has a flaw in her thinking about age. That’s a generation Mary. I had my first at 25 and have no problem understanding that I am older than my daughter.

          • Sha2000 says:

            I like Mary too & I like her sense of style, her home is just perfect.

        • error404 says:

          I think it’s split down the middle.

          DC and NY have mostly smart women with a few exceptions. Kiki and Michaella are definitely NOT smarter than 5th graders! lol

          Atlanta and NJ are full of low class idiots with a few exceptions. I actually think Danielle is smart, but crazy and very misguided. OC Viki seems kinda smart. The others are too bimboed out to be even mistaken for smart.

          Thank God Bethenny is a quick witted brunette… it’s sometimes hard to take a middle aged woman with fake boobs wearing a skirt shorter than a toddler’s seriously in business.

          • quincyil says:

            Before marriage, Michaela seemed to be ok. She wanted to climb socially and probably thought she was marrying a wealthy man. He seems to play the game well. It might have been years before she knew the truth about him.

  83. butterisafruit says:

    I might be able to tolerate Cat, if she stopped her complaining,
    and dropped her Talulah Bankhead voice.
    And take off that stupid HAT!

    • Olivia says:

      Am trying to think of one of these people I would like to spend time with and am coming up empty.

      The only one worth their weight in gold is Rosie, Lu Ann’s housekeeper, who came across as the real deal.

      The others, not so much.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I’d love a cooking session with Bethenny!

      • butterisafruit says:

        YES, the pickings are pretty slim. I always felt sad for Rosie. When she came to visit LuAnn. LuAnn never asked how she was doing instead she said….So Rosie how do I LOOK? I hope Bravo paid Rosie for that visit.

        • Olivia says:

          Rosie had their number. She was more of an influence on those kids than the Count and Countess and the kids more or less admitted as much.

          Rosie is just another “cog in the wheel” for these vainglorious women who takes care of their kids, cleans their homes, cooks their meals, and scoops up the dog poop. These “cogs” do more than earn their $10.00 bucks an hour to guarantee these prima donnas time to pursue their “charities”.

          I’d take 20 Rosie’s anytime over these pretenders.

        • quincyil says:

          Rosie had to lug all of those suitcases up the stairs. She looked exhausted most of the time.

        • klmh says:

          Do you think there might have been some footage that wasn’t shown? Maybe Bravo decided to clip the footage? Im sure the conversation lasted longer than was shown…

      • OneMoreinBoston says:

        I also REALLy liked Harry, Kim’s driver.

        Who can forget his line to Theresa, “I’m keeping an eye on you-you’re fast like a gazelle”

        I don’t know if I’d go out to dinner with him, but I’d buy him a cup of coffee.

  84. WindyCityWondering says:

    Yesterday I got to thinking about the DC crew – they are boring because they are housewives who have no major motivation to be professional career women, their dilemas/problems (search for birthparent, kids who don’t work, liars, thieves, con artists, bad manners, mystic leanings, poser wannabitch, etc) are the same as NJ without the over the top crap, they are not in the DC power circles and we had higher expectations for them and are disappointed that they are not what we were pitched. Even their lead in quotes are lame.
    Bravo should drop this franchise offering and stick with what they have – too many choices and fans start tuning out!

    • Olivia says:

      I agree. Apparently Kelsey Grammer’s ex who is scheduled for the BH series is going to reveal a lot of dirt about him on this show. Seems he does not like to wear underwear!

      These women are morons. Has she ever considered what effect this will have on their kids? Who needs to know these things? She is all over the promos announcing that she employs 4 nannies to look after 2 kids. Why do these women even bother to have kids when it appears that their primary interests lie with remaking themselves via surgery, etc., to look like Barbie dolls?

      At least Michaele did society a favor by not reproducing. And didn’t Tamra announce to the world that she wanted a divorce from the back seat of a limo while the cameras rolled?

      Who does that?

      • anniieee says:

        Fugly famewhores 🙂

      • quincyil says:

        I’m sure Simon will share photos of the Tamra replacement soon. If someone see it, could we have a link.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        We will see botox used as never before! The use of plastic will astound us! Have you noticed in the promos that half these women can not move their top lips????

        • anniieee says:

          Those lips are gross… who said “plumped up misshapen lips are ‘hot’? Jeff’s are gross as well.

          • Ione says:

            Are Jeff’s not real??

            • anniieee says:

              No–they have been plumped… notice the hangy downs on the sides of the upper lip…yuck.

              • WindyCityWondering says:

                probably why he is always using ChapStick – the flappy parts are adhered to his bottom lip!

              • nathania says:

                i was wondering if that was natural. It does not look appealing to me at all, I wonder if he thinks it makes him look better than he did prior to having it done. He needs to back off that a bit.

              • quincyil says:

                I think Jeff had collagen injected and I think the duck lips are there forever. I’m sure he regrets that medical procedure.

        • Olivia says:

          What we can expect from this series:

          1. A “cooking lesson” where they all gather in someone’s kitchen.
          2. A fashion show.
          3. Someone scooping up dog poop.
          4. Stylists, make up artists, hair dressers as “best friends” they all love, love, love!
          5. Someone searching for a long lost relative.
          6. Bratty and overindulged kids.
          7. Someone with a product to sell.
          8. Someone writing a book.
          9. A trip to a cosmetic surgeon.
          10. Closets the size of a gym loaded with more clothes than TJ Max and barely worn.
          11. A shaky marriage.
          12. Jewelry store splurges.
          13. An anniversary, engagement, birthday, or renewal party.
          14. A huge home either undergoing construction or renovation.
          15. A fight.
          16. Talking heads putting down other talking heads.
          17. A day trip aboard a boat.
          18. At least one cast member treating another cast member like dirt.
          19. A typical ditz in the Kelly/Michaele mode.
          20. A typical bitch in the Jill/Cat mode.
          21. Boobs falling out of every costume including pajamas.
          22. Arched eyebrows. Duck lips. Weaved hair.

          Same old, same old, different city.

          • anniieee says:

            Amen…well said..The sisters are already bitching at each other.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            Hope the new city will be interesting! lol cause you called the players and the game so well.

          • nathania says:

            I think Cat is the antithesis of Jill. Cat is a lone agent while Jill can’t work her dirty deeds without the support of other people. Cat just tells the truth whereas Jill wouldn’t know the truth if it bit her on the behind. Jill is a social/media climber extroardinaire whereas Cat seems to be the type that is so brazen with her opinions she should have been exiled to her own island by now but people are naturally drawn to this quality and it makes her ‘popular’ in a certain way because most of us wish we could just walk around spouting off our opinions here and there without thinking and she actually does it.

            • quincyil says:

              What truth does Cat tell? She gives her opinions and she uses hyperbole. She restates what she is told with sarcasm.

              If the truth is saying that something was weird at Oasis, every one said that.

      • Dawn says:

        A very insecure, manipulative person seeking attention and validation from outside sources would announce on camera that she’s getting divorced.

    • Snarkella says:

      Okay, here goes. I don’t agree with any of you! LOL

      I like the DC wives. Except for Micheale. I don’t dislike her personally, I just can’t be bothered to put any thought into her. She’s just there for comic relief and I’m not into slapstick.

      Nor do I personally like any of the housewives. But as a social study, I love to see women I can at least minimally relate to (uh, let’s see. We’re women of a certain age who live in American cities.) interacting. I find them facinating. They tick me off. They make me laugh. They make me think and sometimes they just make me think they’re stupid. Then I get to be all superior – lol.

      I do think the DC wives have more to offer than the NJ wives, because the NJ wives are just on a level with The Three Stooges. They are all nuts! I don’t watch OC or Atlanta. NY has more style and better parties. But hats off to DC, in their own minimally intelligent way, they are bringing up issues that get people talking and thinking. There are moments when I hate each of them and moments when I like each of them. To me they are just your basic run of the mill human beings. I am surrounded by the good, the bad and the ugly. Thank goodness for that because I have a lot of all-the-time-good, all-the-time-wonderful people in my life, and although I love them, respect them, give them all the praise they are due, they are not the people I choose to be around most of the time because I find them a little dull.

      Just want to go on record in case Bravo is watching — I like the DC wives! Please give them another season!!!!

      • nathania says:

        It does seem a bit more civil to me because when they are arguing about social and political experiences they argue from their own experiences and at least on NJ it was very much a he said/she said. Most of that season was devoted to things that happened off camera, and the whole show became a competition with people trying to out-lie and out-manipulate each other. This is why I wish that Bravo would not have relatives on the show. There is too much history that the viewer is just not privy to, and it creates allegiances by association and then you have a gang-bang like NJ ended up being. I would much rather these folks talk about politics and cultural issues than who texted what to who (and I was under the false impression when I started watching NJ that no one over 35 even used texting on a phone…silly me.)

        NJ was really a show about nothing. At least DC is a show about something.

    • nathania says:

      Stacie is a real estate agent and a Harvard MBA so that is not true of her. However, the rest of them leave a bit to be desired. I don’t think anyone in DC power circles would be stupid enough to have themselves followed by a camera all the time. I think Mary is a socialite of some kind but she gets upstaged by camera-hog Michaele a lot of the time. DC is a smart town and if you are in politics to any degree which many people there are, anything you say or do or that your spouse says or does that is questionable or could be distorted as such could have serious career repercussions. I think that’s the reason that most of the housewives on most of the shows qualify in the first place, most of them don’t have a career to lose…they see being on this show as a shot at a career.

      • Snarkella says:

        I agree nathania. I never expected for a moment that some inner circle Washingtonian was going to sign up to be a Bravo Housewife. LOL. I guess that’s why it was not a disappointment to me when I discovered that none of them did. I got what I expected and I’m happy with it.

  85. Amber...Real Wife says:

    We beat dead horses here! (yikes) It is what we do. 🙂

    This resentment of Erica is very strong. I don’t recall any such discussion when Michaele’s assistant called Cat a bitch, or said she was being bitchy or acting like a bitch. You get the idea. That situation, where Cat was indeed behaving bitchy, was SHOCKING! An employee, support staff, insulting a guest, albeit a rude guest, with a curse word no less. Even a boss who agreed with the staffer, should have mediated and either forced an apology from the employee, or apologized to the guest or smoothed the ruffled feathers all around. None of the above happened and Cat left.

    Erica didn’t curse at Cat, just called her a mean girl and that has folks up in arms, yet no resentment for the outspoken employee. Why? Neither is a housewife, and they both are garnering cameratime. Can it really be as simple as a white woman can call a white woman a bitch without repercussion, but if a black woman calls a white woman a mean girl she’s crossed the line?

    *loading my Walther 25, with double clips, asking RealHusband for the bulletproof vest*

    • Olivia says:

      You may have a point. When Alex called Jill a “mean girl” the applause meter went up a few notch’s. And Jill had been acting like a complete ass all season as much as Cat.

      My guess is that they all deserve the same criticism insofar as how they conduct themselves. Alex may have been fighting to remain viable on the show by calling Jill out as much as Erica may be fighting for a place on DC by calling the same attention to herself.

      (I will join you in the foxhole for taking a shot at Alex. Move over.)

    • anniieee says:

      I truly do not believe it is that.. I believe it is because it was a social setting–with everyone (everyone-not waitstaff) as a guest. Erica made a social gaffe by calling someone out in front of everyone else. She then continued to berate her in front of everyone–making everyone uncomfortable. The waitstaff..and I did not see that episode–should have been chastised and made to apologize–I can’t speak to it–I didn’t see it. But if fugly hate the race card…This has NOTHING to do with race–it has to do with manners. IMHO

      • Olivia says:

        It just show how we can absolve those we approve of through “collective amnesia”.

        Alex did pretty much the same to Jill in front of other people yet we stood back and gave her “credit” when the circumstances were pretty much the same because we all loathed Jill.

        We “forgive” Ramona her little outbursts because she has a following yet she has said some pretty hateful things along the way herself.

        Maybe Erica’s behavior this time around is that we are getting a little sick and tired of the same pattern of behavior that this series promotes?

        Just saying.

        • quincyil says:

          Or…we aren’t invested in Erica yet.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Every appearance of Erika was one of waiting to pounce on Cat – why just Cat? She is like a little devil on Stacie’s shoulder – stirring and stirring – without being put in check. Cat called her on the Tyra remark and then Erika went ballistic. Why didn’t anyone call Stacie on her remarks about Mary’s deadbeat daughter? So if this is Erika’s “tryout” I think she is failing. She adds nothing positive, nothing interesting and Cat clearly has no intentions of letting her continue to be boorish, rude and relevent. Amen!

          • Char212 says:

            I was just about to say the same thing WCW. Erika didn’t say a word to Stacie when she started criticizing Mary’s daughter but jumped all over Cat when she said something. With Erika it’s not what is said but whose saying it that she’s concerned about. If she is such a good friend of Mary’s she would have called Stacie out and not just Cat.

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Excellent point.

      • MAMAZ says:

        IMO it’s because Erica thinks Cat is a racist. White people are extremely sensitive to “the race card.” White liberals even more than white conservatives. We try so hard to prove we aren’t racist that it often comes off as false to a person of color. Think Mary and her segregated hair salon babble. So we recoil from Erica’s calling out Cat for behavior we dislike because it seems to implicate us somehow.
        I don’t believe Cat’s Tyra impersonation was necessarily racist however as an adult you need to recognize the realities of racism and behave accordingly. Cat didn’t know these women and should have kept her mouth shut. You can be more honest with people who do know you and won’t leap to conclusions about your motives. I have many friends from India and I don’t do Apu impressions. They would be horrified if I did. Likewise I don’t mock my southern friends by making stupid statements in an exaggerated drawl. Commen sense and courtesy go a long way.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          In Europe/UK there is not the same perception of racism as there is here in the USA. If Cat was being herself in the whole Tyra “dialog” she can be faulted for a poor imitation of the subject – nothing racist. Cat doesn’t have to like Tyra and did say she was an excellent businesswoman. Erika took this “slight” and ran with it. She is a bit player and she is trying too hard to move up to housewife status.

          • MAMAZ says:

            They have plenty of racism in the UK, it’s just against different groups. Ask a Pakistani.
            In France they dislike Muslims, particularly Algerians. In Germany it’s Turks.
            I agree that Cat wasn’t being racist but I think she was insensitive and crude.

          • Snarkella says:

            I rewatched the Tyra-mocking scene yesterday and didn’t think it was the big racist deal that some people thought it was. It lasted about three seconds and Cat seemed to be impersonating Tyra in the way she sends people home on Next Top Model. I happen to be married to an Englishman and I know they find our over the top behavior (all generalizations here, sorry) cringe-worthy. I happen to be an American who finds her over the top behavior cringe-worthy. I honestly don’t think if was a race thing. I think Cat was trying to get across that Tyra thinks she’s all that and Cat doesn’t like it. Was it rude of Cat? Yes. But I really wish people would take race off the table. When you shout racism at a simple misunderstanding, it muddies the waters in the fight against true racism. This is what bothers me. I truly hate social injustice and I hate to see the fight against it getting stuck in petty bullshit.

    • Snarkella says:

      The only reason I keep commenting is because quincyil keeps defending her. I’m not trying to get into it with quincyil — nothing like that — but when I see her posts defending Erika and bashing Cat — I feel the urge to reply. It has nothing to do with Erika. I don’t think she is the most awful person ever. If I didn’t see the posts defending her I wouldn’t even give it a second thought.

      • quincyil says:

        LOL…. I’m glad you respond.

        • quincyil says:

          I really think that Cat is Jill Zarin with an English accent and larger dogs. I think Cat is a narcissist. I think we will learn a lot more when her inappropriate affairs are revealed in her book.

          • Snarkella says:

            quincyil, you have mentioned Cat’s affairs enough times to make me believe that this is one of the main reasons you don’t like her and that you believe it is one of the main reasons we will all come to hate her in time.

            • Olivia says:

              I don’t need to read the book since I never liked her in the first place. Her superior attitude toward everything around her made me dislike her from the outset.

              However, this does not negate Erica’s behavior since they are laden with the same amount of contempt.

              Characterizing them as “strong women” because they refuse to censor their comments and behave like “bullies” overlooks actual “strong women” who know how to conduct themselves in otherwise adverse circumstances.

              What these women inflict upon one another is not a sign of “strength” but a degree of arrogance that is mistaken for “honesty”. It is neither.

              • Snarkella says:

                Ah. You made a good point there about strong women, Olivia.

                Cat and Erika are bringing some polite drama to the show. For me, this is much more interesting than trying to figure out why Teresa chased Danielle through the country club. Because with those two nutcases who cares? They are so beyond the norm they might as well be cartoon characters.

            • quincyil says:

              Yes. Cat’s book should be interesting. She thinks she lead a fabulous life leaving husband number one for a married man who I bet was someone of importance in Britian, but we have never heard of him. I suspect that Puritan ethic that is ingrained in many of us is going to kick in just about the time we hear about her many inappropriate affairs. Of course, I could be wrong, but Kim Z was told to close her legs to a married man by Nene. rotfl…

              I wouldn’t have Nene as my role model, but I saw a photo of her with shiny dark purple eyeshow and she looked like Nefretiti. Honestly, they may have retouched the photo but her face was incredible. I want that photographer for my family.

  86. anniieee says:

    and that is *I* fugly hate the race card…sorry…

  87. anniieee says:

    Jill shouts over everyone. Jill has no manners- Alex tried to speak to Jill in private. Jill refused..everyone kept talking over Alex making it impossible for her to speak–over and over and over again. Alex’s frustration level was off the charts–however–she was just as rude and just as wrong…they need to wait for an appropriate moment i.e. Bobby talking to Alex about his feelings…alone and away from the crowd. Your defense mechanisms aren’t so high and you can have a rational conversation.

    • Olivia says:

      The difference is that Alex was not defending herself as much as she was trying to defend Bethenny in that scene. She was “moving the arc” of the storyline along by her outburst. She insisted on being heard; it was not a spontaneous move because she was willing to wait until she had their attention.

      I loathe Jill as much as the next one but if you look at that episode it was clear that Alex came with a purpose to deliver that message and she was not defending herself but someone else. She was more than willing to “wait them out”.

      Erica too was “lying in wait” to bring up Cat on her behavior. Lynda also chose her moment to confront Michaele in front of a group of people and however you slice it, those moments are worth noting since it is how they are received by the person taking the hit. Humiliating.

      • quincyil says:

        If you consider how much support from your peers counts in one of those situations, we could say that the person anniliated at Stacy’s ice cream party was Erica. She was left alone on the couch while everyone hugged Cat.

        • Olivia says:

          And deservedly so. Do you think she should have been given a pat on the head for making everyone feel uncomfortable?

          Cat is rude. Ramona is rude. Jill is rude. Teresa is rude. Erica is rude. Lynda is rude. Kelly is rude. Kim G is rude.

          Why should one rude person be singled out for absolution when they have all at one time or another been rude? Not sure if I am following your logic that Erica should be “absolved” for behaving the same way as the others.

          Rude is rude no matter who is delivering it.

          • quincyil says:

            I think Erica’s crime is the same as Cat’s crime. The reason that the ladies defended Cat was she’s the pregnant girl who just got the diamond ring. No one wants to look like they are against the divorcing girl who is all alone. Who knows the troubles that Erica might be having? We don’t know her back story at all. She could be pregnant…

            • Olivia says:

              If she is it is the longest pregnancy on record since this show was filmed last Fall and we are already heading into almost a full year since.

            • Snarkella says:

              Cat is not the pregnant girl with the diamond ring. LOL. They are nice people for the most part and for the most part they behaved like nice people. Nice people don’t rare up like lunatics everytime they are offended. They didn’t defend Erika because she was completely out of line, and they didn’t say so at the time, because she’s their good friend and they didn’t want to embarrass her.

              • quincyil says:

                Ok, it looks like you are upset over this. I will gracefully leave this discussion.

              • quincyil says:

                Oops, I didn’t see the LOL in the first paragraph. For a second, I thought you were upset by my observations and opinions. Sorry, about that…

              • quincyil says:

                The reason that I compared Cat to the pregnant girl with the diamond ring is at the last NYC reunion, Bethenny said at the announcement of the engagement, Jill had walked away and then after being told of the engagement Jill had an epiphany where she actually said on camera how will it look if I don’t go over there and congratulate her. Bethenny said that Jill knew it would look badly if she was mean to the pregnant girl too. My thoughts on the Erica/Cat fight were that Erica didn’t get the DC housewives memo that we can’t be mean to Cat because we will be mean to someone suffering in a divorce. If Stacy had warned Erica about this, believe me, Erica would never have made those statements. Lynda told her after this fight started, but by then Erica was in deep shit. I’ve been in manure in the paddock and it’s a slippery slope. Erica was trying not to land face first into manure, but she made a misstep and you can guess what happened.

                Sometimes, I wonder what I would say or do in the various situations that these women find themselves in. I have the benefit of hindsight, so I won’t call Cat mean…to her face. I will write it on this board and then take my hits from my Lynn family. rotfl…

              • Snarkella says:

                I understood the reference. I just didn’t think it applied to Cat because I don’t see her as an object of pity, despite the loss of her friend and bad marriage. I don’t think Jill wanted to be friends with Bethanny because she was worried about being the mean girl either. I think the real reason is that she didn’t want to miss the wedding, bridal shower, baby shower, etc. She gave that bullshit excuse to Bobby but I don’t believe that’s really what was going on in her devious little mind. She saw herself on the cover of People with Bethenny and the baby. Zing!!!!!!!!!

                Oh and by the way, I’m not upset in the least. I’m just giving my opinion. You never have to worry about upsetting me. If you don’t see me around here it’s because I’m usually on my phone when I get to visit this site and it’s too much trouble to comment. My husband is at a football game so I’m having a lazy afternoon.

              • quincyil says:

                Mine is preparing a lecture.

                The women from DC have witnessed the troubles of Jill Z and they are trying to avoid that trap. I would too.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      Actually I thought Bobby showed poor form, approaching, reprimanding and shaming Alex at that party. Alex who had been abused by Jill for years was made to feel like the bully, and encouraged to apologize to a hateful Jill who ignored her. No one goes to any party THINKING they will have their evening ruined by a rude guest, nor do they think they’ll be called out and forced to apologize. And…the staffer at the vineyard is her personal assistant. I believe she was warned of Cat’s bitchiness and given the go to defend her bosses if necessary. I’m sure the Salamis promised her a bonus that she still hasn’t received! 🙂

      • Olivia says:

        We have to keep in mind that this stuff if designed as a “story” of women going about their daily lives.

        Bravo is not prepared to follow these women as they shop at Whole Foods or drop the clothing off at the dry cleaners. They create a “narrative” and each one agrees to play the role assigned.

        Very few of these ladies appears on camera (maybe Bethenny being the one exception) where they are not quaffed, made up, or dressed in some expensive outfit. Lurking behind the camera is the lighting and sound crew, along with the stylists who make them look good.

        We are not permitted to see them as they get out of bed in the morning, scratching their bums with their hair in disarray as they plod to the kitchen, moaning and kvetching that the coffee maker has not kicked in. That would be too much like “reality”.

        • MAMAZ says:

          Olivia! The Countess DOES NOT scratch her bum. It’s very poor manners dahling.

          • MAMAZ says:

            And Jill Zarin probably pays someone to scratch hers for her.

            • MAMAZ says:

              Vickie is too busy working to scratch.
              Tamra lets Eddie Judge scratch hers. Gretchen thinks Slade is scratching her bum but he’s really looking for a wallet. Alexis is made of plastic so she doesn’t itch. Poor Lynn Curtain can’t afford to scratch anything anymore.
              Kelly itches all the time, it’s the meth.
              Caroline exfoliates her bum with Albert’s razor. Dina is too busy scratching other people’s eyes out to scratch anything else. Jac is too lazy to scratch. Teresa doesn’t scratch but she does pick the bugs off her fur and eat them. Danielle taunts other people into scratching hers then sues them.

      • quincyil says:

        Bobby should have taken the hits for that. Rich Amon would call it violating a man rule. He did it twice that we know of: once with Alex at Luanna’s fundraiser and once with Bethenny in the Virgin Islands. Why didn’t Simon and Jason comment on Bobby’s violation of man rules?

        • Amber...Real Wife says:

          I think Bobby gets a pass as he’s the henpecked husband of one big bitch! LOL That and the recent cancer scare made Alex and Bethenny uncomfortable in upsetting him with truths about his “beloved” wife. I’ve always believed that coupleslike this work as a team. The good guy/bad guy routine is a front, as Bobby knows how rotten Jill is and they probably laugh at pain she causes others.

        • Amber...Real Wife says:

          Bobby probably gets a pass for being the henpecked husband of bitchy JillZarin. Also Alex and Bethenny, due to his recent cancer scare, didn’t want to upset him with truths about his “beloved” wife. I personally don’t buy that good guy/bad guy routine. Bobby definitely knows how horrible Jill is and they must laugh together at the pain she causes others. On camera, Bobby must play mediator, defends his wife but chides the others for their behaviour. His wife is the victim. They are a pair. A pair of assholes!

          • Dawn says:

            Jill wears the pants in that family. I doubt Bobby can get a word in edgewise at home unless he’s agreeing with her. He’s stuck validating everything she says or he’s on the outs and has to endure either the silent treatment or her constant carping and bitching. He’s very passive.

            Remember the scene where for some convoluted reason Gloria had to have a different rental car? Bobby schlepped off to get another just to keep the peace. His peace that is.

          • Zipit Zarin says:

            Amen and Amen Amber!

          • quincyil says:

            There was a video of Jill in Bobby buying jewelry and we witness a bit of their relationship. We also saw how she manipulates him when she was kicked off the island. Bobby thought Jill was the victim of Alex and Bethenny last year. When Jill was upset at the announcement of Bethenny’s engagement and when she was cornered in Ramona’s apartment and asked to end the war, she wanted Bobby.
            It’s a mixtue of the little girl needing daddy and the sexy kitten giving favors for favors. She plays game and he enjoys them.

            After pizza and Bobby playing daddy advisor, they went for sexy lingerie. It’s the fun side of Jill and Bobby that they enjoy telling us about on the show.

        • nathania says:

          I keep thinking that Bobby somehow sees his wife as some kind of victim who can’t stand up for herself. It’s beyond bizarre. Like how on the island she cried ‘it’s so humiliating’ into his shoulder. Both of my brothers were/are thusly afflicted. Their borderline wives played/play the victim and con all the men around them while torturing all the women in their families and enjoying the hell out of it. She fulfills their need to feel ‘like a man’ by playing poor put-upon, while really she’s the one behind any animosity people feel towards her. He needs to feel like a hero so badly that he’s not willing to give up this role no matter how out of touch with reality it requires him to become.

        • Snarkella says:

          Because Bobby’s so lame he couldn’t do much damage anyway. It’s like getting a scolding from a little panda bear. Who cares?

      • MAMAZ says:

        As much as I dislike most of the Houswives this is a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation. If Erica, Bobby or Alex had called the person to set up a private meeting to discuss the issue we would have said “Who does that?” Like with Dina/Danielle and Caroline/Danielle. Yet when Dina and Caroline call Danielle out in public we cry inappropriate! Most of these people only see each other on camera so when else would they address it? I don’t watch DC so I can’t say that what Erica did was okay. But it does seem to be the Housewives typical MO.

        • Olivia says:

          Without the “faux” infighting the “faux” apologies would make not sense.

          Bobby, who pretty much disappears from any event he is dragged to, was “urged”by the producers to make a case on Jill’s behalf.

          Not sure if he knew that Jill would rebuff Alex that same night, but I have a feeling he did not act on his own in appealing to her.

          It also moved that storyline along.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      OMG! I still hate Jill Foghorn Zarin!

      • Olivia says:

        It is quite possible that I may be in need of an “intervention”.

        I detest this series for its shallow portrayal of women, loathe most of the “stars” who agree to this treatment, see the same format being played out on all franchises, see little value in the presentation, and view the quality of the “storyline” as thoroughly scripted, yet I continue to watch.

        What the hell is my problem?

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          my darling- this is called an addiction.

          So what-it’s not hurting anyone, well maybe corroding a few brain cells.

          Personally, I like to pull back the advertising/marketing curtain to see the little man pretending to be the Wizard of Oz.

          • Olivia says:

            I have this nightmare scenario of ending up babbling nonsense much like Kelly and wondering where I parked my unicorn.

            How can the same person who watches “Rubicon” with its convoluted plot be the same person watching this tripe covered in plasticity?

            I must defy “pigeon hole” demographics with these two being a staple of my viewer watching.

            • quincyil says:

              I think these plots are very convoluted.
              The writers are the women themselves and the producers. You have over time given us the basic outlines of the stories. We take your outline and give subtopics, then discuss. It’s a literature class without books.

              Think about the Austen novels. They have themes based on the women of the era and the rather liberal views of Jane herself.

              We have the social climbers. We have women who are up there and looking down. We have the scallywags. We have matriarchs who want to hold other women in their place, and don’t forget the mean women who think their neighbors are too low class to come to their parties.

              Olivia, I think you are subconsiously organizing the outline of a Jane Austen novel for the rest of us. It’s your job. It’s messy. I de pox houses and wallow in manure. Somebody’s got to do it.

              • Olivia says:

                But I am always mindful that Jane Austen wrote “fiction” based on the culture of her day and we seem to want to believe that because they stick a “reality” label on these shows we are watching the real thing.

                I watch them knowing full well I am being “played” for all its worth. Part of the fun is reading the reactions pointing to the heroine or villain in each set piece because without one or the other there is no “story” to pursue.

              • quincyil says:

                I have the desire to write the script for these women.

                Bethenny portrayed herself as the scrappy underdog who married a prince and found happiness. That is Austen.
                There’s the happy ending that Jane didn’t find for herself. Success as your own person and a gorgeous guy at home with a baby.

  88. anniieee says:

    We can sit and debate our differences, point out our inconsistencies, blindly declare our morals. But in the end, no matter how defined, or strong, or how different you think you are when cornered we’re all the same beast. – Rafael Casal

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      *hugging Anniee*

      Thank you Anniee and all others, this is the most respectful discussion of race, class and etiquette on a Sunday ever! And as always we are mothers, fathers, daughters, sons, sisters brothers who respect all. We walk softly and carry big sticks! LOL

      • quincyil says:

        Now, if the rules of this blog could be extended to the twitter realm.

        • anniieee says:

          I agree– I love the fact that you all let me say what I want to say–without fear of reprisal. A lot of the time, you all change my mind about someone–as I begin looking through your experiences and your viewpoint. HUGSSSSS to all of you … and thank you all so much!!

          and my z and r are sticking…so forgive that stuff….

          • quincyil says:

            We might ask you to watch one of the shows that we can’t abide and report back. You never know when we will ask for either your first born or a report on Atlanta.

      • quincyil says:

        and remember… genetically… almost everyone is the same race.. You can claim some genetic uniqueness if you are a Pygmie or a Watusi living in Africa, but they are really not visiting Lynn’s blog.

        I would tell Erica that she is really genetically Cat sister in every way. I am willing to take DNA from both women and run the gels for them to show them this fact.

        • anniieee says:

          Amen Sister— I use the term Monochromatic to my art students to explain the “human race.” If I take the color brown…and tint it allllllll the way down to white, what color is still in it? Brown… now take brown and allllllllll the shades with black…til it is black..what color is still in it? Brown…we are all one color–just diferent shades and tints and experiences. I am a human bean.

          • MAMAZ says:

            Unfortunately it’s not just about skin tone. It’s about cultural or perceived cultural differences ascribed to people of certain colors.

            • anniieee says:

              And we can learn so much from so many different cultures.

              • ShyAsrai says:

                but not everyone has to like, accept, celebrate or support every or any other culture, or aspects of other cultures, that are not their own. people don’t even like all aspects of their own cultures.

                people self-segregate, and have done so since man walked upright. it’s a level of comfort and trust one has in others hardwired into our brains as necessary for simple survival.

                IMHO, one can admire and even adopt certain aspects of other cultures (ex: love yoga but hate the caste system) while rejecting the tenets of a society or culture as a whole.

        • nathania says:

          I was thinking about this in relation to Stacie and how easy it would be for her to send off DNA samples to see if there is really any chance that she is of Nigerian descent before she proceeds any further pushing her birth mom, who may have more than one ‘secret’. I’m sure the storyline has already played out further than it appears on the show but this is what I would have done before I contacted anyone else about it.

          • Sha2000 says:

            “people self-segregate, and have done so since man walked upright.”

            Not all people, just people who are fearful of moving forward beyond their own comfort zone to perhaps learn & experience something new. Then (and not until then) should they decide if they can appreciate the aspects of another cultures or weight in on what the feel are the cons. To experience is to learn & to learn is to grow your mind. Correct, no one can love all aspects of another culture but to “self-segregate” is indeed for those who are *just* learning to walk up right.

  89. zoekayla says:

    Hi Lynn! I clicked on a couple of ads. Hope it helps in some small way. I have caught up, for the most part on the other site. I am worried that some posters may make themselves vulnerable to unwanted attention through revelations (clues) as to personal identity (i.e. WSL). I love how some posters and lurkers pop in to the discussions. I have lurked and posted since the spring when we all found ourselves meeting each other under the I Hate Jill Zarin hubpage. I hate it when some leave… I miss Squirrels… Always glad to read posts from Olivia, Had Enough, One more Boston, Boston,WSL/WSM, True life Diva (love the stiletto),Quincyil, Kat, Zip it Zarin, Cusi 77, ellabean, Jeepers, Windy city wondering, Real City Housewife (love your blog too!)and so many others.
    Lynn, your blog is huge now. New friends, original posters, all are welcome and most are respectful. That’s what brings me back every day. I also cry with those who are suffering with grief, illness, or other personal tragedies. We are also a community-this LynnFam.
    Two things that I wonder about re: RHoDC. Why won’t Michaele utter the words, Multiple Sclerosis? I remember some comments about this…the fact that Diane Dimond is the one who said it and wrote it (in the Salami’s “book”). Someone (are you reading this, Andy?) needs to put her in the position of naming her disease – actually saying the words.
    Another question I have is related to Tareq. What is that pin he always wears on his lapel? It seems top have two flags coming out of the top of a globe shape. He also occasionally sports another round pin. Just wondering…seems like he is trying to fly the “insider” gear…you know how the politicians all wear lapel pins. Secret service also wears them on duty – they signify different missions on different days. Just curious…Also, he creeps me out the way his eyes are so shifty whenever he is being questioned. I watched the episode in the hotel and limo with Stacy “looking” at real estate. Anytime she asked anything about getting information about qualifying them for loans, his eyes gave him away.
    Have a great Sunday everyone! Thanks for great blogging every day, Lynn!

    • cusi77 says:

      Zoekayla_ Michaela (?) does not have “MS”… What she has is “PMS” and a severe “II” Inflammation of the Imagination! And her charity is also legitimate… very charitable for their empty pockets!

  90. cdnfillie58 says:

    Hmmmm @tommymanzo is following me on Twitter….should I be creeped out? 😛

    • quincyil says:

      Well, it’s can’t be tommy because he works all of the time and never has time for Dina. It must be Dina spying on you so you have to be careful and not flirt too much with tommy. Don’t share your clothes with him either. He doesn’t give them back.

  91. kodiac33 says:

    new here –luv this site–great comments and some pretty good insite on RHW topics-this is a new daily must visit site for me!

  92. Olivia says:

    I hate football which brings me here this afternoon as well.

    But what I have noticed about these Housewives series is that most of the men come off like total wimps. I know this remark is going to lead me to the woodpile but I think there is reason to believe this.

    Any spouse who would agree to allowing this intrusion into home and hearth, especially where their kids are going to be exposed as well, have already conceded to the female in this case since we all know these women to be super fame whores.

    Bobby come across as a rather docile sort was may have expressed an opinion but was overridden by Jill. You would think that with the misery she has had to endure for the past few months would lead him to put his foot down since she came out looking worse for the effort (just look at the title of this site as an example) but she soldiers on. Bobby does not have the final say.

    Juicy Joe certainly could not be happy that his personal and financial life has been held up for ridicule, or that his kids are made objects of fun owing to how they are reviewed. Yet Teresa will more than likely be asked back for more unflattering coverage and all he need do is refuse to sign the contract but does so because Teresa rules that roost.

    Vicki’s husband Donn was seen in a few scenes being taken to task by his controlling wife yet they are back for another season. We don’t see much of Mario unless he is either shaking his head at Ramona’s tactics or looking the other way when she overimbibes. My guess is that Mario probably does not wish to be bothered but Ramona wears the pants in that house and he goes along.

    Kelly, Lu Ann, Sonja, Danielle, are single women but even so their former spouses, apparently are willing to sign on the dotted line (we don’t really know Sonja’s ex’s position when it comes to the child). Danielle’s ex should have come down hard as a result of the exposure his kids were subjected but went along with the game plan.

    Alex and Simon are an entirely different “beast” so to speak. If there is anything Simon likes better than “fashion” it is appearing on tv. This is a “collaboration” that is now being played out in DC with the Salahi’s. These two couples seem to have an intact relationship because they are each getting something out of it that all parties desire: the fame.

    Something tells me that we will be seeing much more of Simon in the next season as he has resigned his long time job and will be more available for filming during the week. Won’t be surprised to see him appear in the opening credits holding an apple of his own.

    I hope that Jason Hoppy takes a look around at the debris that has befallen most of these people who remain as “stars” on these shows, when their family life has fallen apart under the pressure, and evaluates the need to continue. It will take a “strong man” to beat back the thought of making money against the danger of losing a home and family in the bargain.

    • zoekayla says:

      I agree with your concern for the Hoppys. I think that it’s one thing to watch Bethanny plan her wedding, have her baby, build her brand (albeit with Jason by her side)…and quite another to watch her and Jason build their marriage. This is a vulnerable time in a couple’s life and the delicate negotiations of daily living and career building brings pressure to the relationship. Film it all under lights, make-up and wardrobe and the added pressure can take things to a breaking point.
      I would prefer to watch Bethanny as she goes about her business and friendships with occasional glimpses of life with Brynn and Jason. My protective instincts kicking in…
      As a very young “celebrity”, Lauren Conrad is also thinking this through. She has committed to a new program on MTV, but with a strict division beween her personal life and her growing fashion career. She learned the hard way.

      • Olivia says:

        The thing with these shows is that there is just so much interest to be had and they run out of steam after awhile. OC, going into its 6th or 7th season may be a prime example of this. How much more can they share?

        The BGM? show was a cute premise as she tried to keep a business going while planning a wedding and preparing for a baby but how long can a series run, or the interest be maintained, with the intrusion of a camera capturing scripted and unscripted moments that may not benefit the players themselves?

        Sometimes a good thing is just that: pushing the envelope further may be less entertaining than the original intent. Some of these shows have proven that the need for fame is more toxic than kids, marriages, or relationships.

        • anniieee says:

          Okay–off to play pool and beat the big boys! (They hate it when I win) and meet a friend for coffee.. have a wonderful rest of the day everyone!!

          • I’m reserving wether I will watch Beverly Hills or not.
            I think at this point, with the Housewives, I’m looking-for a little bit more FUN, and a lot less reality.
            (as-in real jails, real courts, real trouble…)
            The one thing holding me back from the BH group, is the little that I know of it, Kelsey Grammar is one of the husbands, and I have an uneasy feeling about watching his wife, or ex-wife, destroy his reputation.
            Yes I know that he has had trouble before, but personally, I love his Frazier character, and his contribution to acting.
            Also-I don’t know what NeNe’s husband did to her, but I’ve seen previews of her dressing him down verbally, and I hope that doesn’t ruin her character for me either.
            If he cheated on her or abused her, I’d say that he deserves whatever he gets, but if his only “crime”, is that the money-tree dried-up, well-I don’t want to see that either.
            The party-crashers are liars & fame-whores, but I have to give them credit for not dragging children into the ugliness, (although the relationship with the elderly mom poses problems). Their Bonnie & Clyde routine is looking a lot better when I compare it to some of the other nonsense, and I’m sorry that I didn’t tune-in for DC after-all.
            Although when you drag reality-tv BS into The Whitehouse, that really is just going too far in my opinion.

            • quincyil says:

              I totally agree with the White House Security issue. This is our President and the head of state of India. There should be no games when it comes to this. I think they should have been thrown in jail and I don’t know why there was no punishement.

              • Amber...Real Wife says:

                I cannot bring myself to hate or harbor ill will for the Salahis. The White House crashing was the event that was to put them on the map, but it served as a wake up call to the security of our nation.
                These grifters were able to reach heads of state, posing for pictures, yards away from our President. They wanted fame and gratefully they saved Obama’s life. The lack of security that allowed these famewhores access, has now been fixed. I hope and pray!

                BTW The hairdressers, Jason and Tim were no better than the Salahis. Once they realized they had no invites and were going thru the kitchen, they should’ve said no. I guess the sense of adventure and future cocktail anecdotes was too much to resist.

              • Snarkella says:

                I agree with you Amber. The fault lies entirely with WH security and if people were fired over it they certainly deserved it. Why should the Salahis be punished? If the people protecting our President are that stupid, thank goodness the party crashes were just there for pictures. Could have been so much worse.

            • nathania says:

              I’m not watching Beverly Hills. I just found out that one of the ladies is Tia from Witch Mountain. Tia was like my idol when I was still in the single digits. That character profoundly affected my life. To this day I occasionally have this recurring dream that I can move objects with my mind and when I wake up and try it and can’t I am always disappointed; those dreams started after the Witch Mountain movies and I thought Tia was the most amazing thing that ever existed in the universe. There is no way I am going to ruin it by watching what the actress who played her has morphed into.

          • Char212 says:

            Granted that the men are all wimps but I don’t think it’s because of their wives. I think they are fame-whores themselves and likes the extra $ being on the shows brings in.
            They are wimps when they can’t reign in their wives and tell them to shut-up when they need too.

    • Sha2000 says:

      I’m with you Olivia; I can’t even pretend to stand football.

  93. Adgirl says:

    In case anyone is intersted in the Barney’s ridiculous life here is an article in the OC paper about the court proceedings. PizzaGirl/Lovelace comments below

  94. HD says:

    You all have been busy today. I know I have been gone so I was a little lost as I read through the post.

    Why are people trying to guess who the Wall Street Lady is? Is she famous or a friend of one of the housewives? Does she have inside Housewive information? I’m lost.

    Mamaz-Your comment on the scratching was HILARIOUS!

    As for Erica, who seems to be a hot topic, she was downright rude. They were having drinks and stuff, just sit back and drink your wine and STFU! You are not even a housewife why are you talking again?

    • quincyil says:

      LOl.. welcome back. You have to admit that Erica is interesting. I bet not being a housewife bothers her too.

      • HD says:

        I love the drama, it makes me want to watch these shows. If everyone got along, I must admit, I would be flipping the channel. So Erica does add another element to the show I just don’t know why she flipped out then. It seemed like it came out of nowhere.

        I am sure she wants to be on the show hence being in damn near every scene with Stacie.

        • quincyil says:

          Oh, I think they have been close friends for a long time. I actually love it that Stacy has good friends. Actually, i love seeing people in general that have strong female friendships. It makes us better people.

          • HD says:

            I am sure they have been friends for a long time. I always wondered why I never saw the women with their friends on the show. I know they don’t hang out together in “real life” so where are their friends?

            I have been fortunate enough to have a great female friend in my life so I appreciate those types of relationships. I appreciate any true friendship which is so hard to come by.

            • quincyil says:

              I’m so glad that you returned. We needed you.

            • The Buzz says:

              HD, one of the things that has always bothered me about all the “Housewife” shows is that they have no real friends. How “real” can that be. I could not bear to have no girl friends. What do you do without a “best” friend?

  95. please don't beat up on me says:

    Good afternoon all!
    As a first time poster to this site this afternoon/early evening, I would like to ask a question. I am asking this in all sincerity and am truly interested in your response. I am a frequent poster on another blog that has been experiencing instances of sort of hit-and-run blogbombing. The individuals jump into a conversation that is online at the moment and throw out various slurs – either gay or ethnic – ruffle feathers by inciting anger by their virtual attacking of various posters, and then they return to another blogosphere and “report the damages”, so to speak. I was reading upthread and recognize one such poster, and am curious as to the motivation. In an earlier post on this site, someone also recognized that there has been a spate of these ‘drive-by’s’ on this site, as well. In your opinions, what could possibly be the motivation to do this?
    Thank you for your thoughts on this issue.

    • quincyil says:

      I wonder what happened with Ashley and Bravo. Is Jacqueline going to ignore her oldest child? They will have family events and not ask Ashley?

      • Dawn says:

        Am I the only one to question whether or not Ashley is telling the truth about not returning? Have there been any official confirmations? How do we know she’s not doing this to get people talking about her?

      • nathania says:

        It’s so weird to me she made this ‘announcement’. It’s almost like a Teresa’s gaudy front door or Grandma wrinkles saying they are ‘not returning’…you were just kind of there in the scenery, but not really invited.

        Did Bravo get some scruples and come to their senses about what messed up crap can happen to young women when they try to play older women games but don’t know the rules?

  96. lillybee says:

    Anyone watching the Amazing Race tonight?

  97. please don't beat up on me says:

    She plays the game with the other site – she joins in the discussion, throws a few of the various gay slurs in her arsenal and then when she is met with some opposition, she comes back to this site and creates an injured scenario in hopes that the reasonable and vocal posters here will comfort her and then she returns and throws out pieces of what you offer and starts another heated exchange and then it starts over and over. I was truly worried about her after she related some very personal history of her childhood abuse and her documented mental illness (she is quite proud of telling that she has two documented issues and is truly mentally ill her words not mine) and felt the sting of falling for her tale of woe when I discovered her deception and saw the evidence here on this site. I admit that I shed tears for this woman and now feel very gullible, but I believe that there has to be some shred of something in her that enables her to have a close family relationship. I simply want to understand what her motives are and if not her motives, what you believe the motivation behind actions such as this might be.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      You’ve been in high school, right?

      It’s a kind of behavior written about in the annals of history. Famously, for example, in the Chronicles of Adelph the Beshitten. A noted shit stirrer of the 14th Century.

      But it’s a phenomenon as old as humanity itself. As when, for example, Cro Magnons and Neanderthals battled over who would be the Pleistocene’s Next Top Model and sent couriers to spread disinformation about each other and the contestants. At that time no one could know for sure if the rumor was true that Ughiket, the Neanderthal favorite, was in fact the spawn of a cave bear (poor thing was rather hulking and hairy) and so she lost to the Cro Magnon’s champion, Egiggur the Bald of whom there was no doubt.

      This critical event in the early history of mankind is recounted in Cro Magnon cave paintings in France. Only recently have anthropologists solved the mystery of why Cro Magnon paintings were discovered in a cave that had only been inhabited by Neanderthals: they discovered that the renderings of what was thought to be a cave bear was actually a depiction of poor Ughiket.

      It’s now considered the world’s first documented incident of trolling.

      And here endeth the lesson.

    • anniieee says:

      This is a nice site here–we will be friendly and welcoming to anyone. We don’t talk about out posters here in a negative way–only the housewives. And on that note…Welcome.

      Amazing RACE–oh yeah..traveling vicariously thru the TV. Night all…

    • OneMoreinBoston says:

      Frankly, I am not interested in the least what her motivations are. Because she didn’t post anything like that here.

      You, on the hand…what exactly are your motivations? Why are you continuing to post about her here? What are you trying to accomplish?

      Exposing her transgressions? Trying to seek karmic retribution? Or just plain old fashioned bullying?

      Or maybe you’re Jill Zarin, trying to divide and conquer. After all, if we all turn on each other maybe she’ll be off the hook?

      Whatever it is, it’s getting old and tired real fast.

      • klmh says:

        This woman has two posts on this page and she is asking for a possible explanation to the actions of another poster on this blog. Does this warrant such a response from you? Obviously you feel threatened by her questions and feel the need to scold her for it. Are you the new monitor for this blog or is this just bullying, on your part?

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          Can I ask who the person is who is being asked about? I’m a member of D.E.N.S.A. 😀

        • OneMoreinBoston says:

          hold on.

          She has 3 posts. One of which she says that @cflower is so mentally ill that she was going to kill herself. look upthread

          So no, I’m not the new hallway monitor, but don’t you think that is character assasination? and since cfloyer posted that she was afraid of recent cyber bullying, don’t you think that is harrassment?

          I asked her why she is persisting, particularly because she thinks that @cflower is mentally ill. No. I don’t think that is bullying-I’m a little surprised you do.

          • quincyil says:

            You were absolutely correct about this issue.

          • klmh says:

            You’re right. I did not see her first post. The reason I involved myself in your response was because it was threatening to her, IMHO. When I first came to this blog, I was welcomed with threatening remarks, calling me “troll” and questioning my identity by calling me JZ. One or two people, including Lynn, came to my defense, agreeing with me or understanding my concerns, and realizing different opinions and asking questions added to this blog. She might have something important to add to the conversation and if that is your way of welcoming new posters, there won’t be many who want to repost.
            Also, please notice there were several bloggers that were worried about her state of mental health last night…

            • please don't beat up on me says:

              The individual that I was referring to has stated HERSELF that she is indeed mentally ill and has documented that on numerous occasions. My concern for her well-being is echoed by others. She contacted a person that is a degree’d therapist to ask for an opinion about the game that she plays and when she was not rewarded with approval, she became combative and made comments that lead others to think that she might do injury to herself. I brought this issue to light so that noone else falls for her scheme, because I can honestly say that this has been the most distressing issue I’ve dealt with in a number of years. It is difficult to remember that she is indeed mentally ill and to not be very angry with this individual. Take what you will, and make the decision on your own to welcome her back into your fold. You are truly an interesting group of individuals. Enjoy each other and the forum you have built.
              Time to make the donuts (so to speak!), there is a roast and some soup calling my name!

              • Bob Loblaw says:

                I propose that she ASKED for people to check her out….this is the post

                15 Sep, 2010 at 10:47 am
                Too all the geniuses here.If you google my name you will learn I am a 57yo woman living in Missouri.You will also learn if you follow my posts on various blogs that I was beaten and abused in all forms from my earliest memories at age 3.My mom,dad,older brother,two husbands,one boyfriend and in 2001 my younger brother all participated.
                You will also learn that I am married,have two lovely adult daughters,and 6 grandchildren.
                I am not Danielle and I am not an IT just because I don’t care to kick and ridicule the underdog.Yes my compassion comes from years of being the abused underdog.Tell me,where does your LACK of compassion come from?Always being the bullie?
                psNo Christian judges and attackes another the way you do Danielle.Do any of you give one human thought to Christine and Jullian or is this just all too too much of a stroke to your ego?
                And for being such a holier than thou group someone here is “real close” to gay porn,real close.Hypocrites are my least favorite people on the planet after greedy people so I’m coming here once more just to be fair and give everyone a chance to “play with IT”.
                As a group you could be mildly amusing if the character flaws were not so disgusting.
                You have atleast 4 hours to Google me. I have to load up the cobbler for the cheerleaders bake sale and pick up the little ones from school.
                Now tell me does an IT do that? hehe!
                pssAnyone else going to put on your big britches and reveal who you are?

  98. anniieee says:

    Welcome, we are always respectful of other posters and don’t talk about them. We talk about the housewives. Keep that stuff on another site please and have a good time here. And on that note… I am going to travel vicariously thru the teams on Amazing Race. I am off to London!!

    • anniieee says:

      dang posted twice and couldnt remember what I said… at least it was similar. night all…

      • zoekayla says:

        Aimee and Need a Hobby, You said it best! We do discuss topics that arise from the RH shows, but are generally smart enough not to get overly involved in hot topic rhetoric. I like reading the smart AND funny posts (Mamaz made me laugh out loud with her scratch list). When I sense a troll or instigating postings I tend to scroll on by and pick up on a new thread. Keeps my blood pressure in check…
        g’night all 🙂

  99. quincyil says:

    Oh, this can’t be true…

    Somewhere I heard Cat claim that she lost 3 stones of weight during the divorce. So finally tonight, I looked up stone and one stone is 14 lbs. Three stones would be 42lbs. From the earliest days of the show, she was very thin correct? There’s no way that from the beginning of the show until WWHL, Cat could have lost 42 lbs.

    I think she uses hyperbole all of the time.

  100. cdnfillie58 says:

    here’s another hmmmmm….@tommymanzo unfollowed me…who wants to bet me whoever he/she is are lurking here 😛

    • vilzvet says:

      I did notice that Kelly KB tweeted to him yesterday about a horse she had ridden. I thought that was odd…

      • cdnfillie58 says:

        yea…now his pic is gone and his profile now shows he’s following no one…this morning before I posted on here about him following me, he was following a few of the same people on my following list…yep…creapasoid

        • cdnfillie58 says:

          whole lot of following huh LOL

          • OneMoreinBoston says:

            freaky and creepy

            maybe he likes the dress in your avatar, and thinks it will fit him.

          • cdnfillie58 says:

            sorry I meant @tommy_manzo

            • cdnfillie58 says:

              there’s another account @tommymanzo…no tweets or follows. @tommy_manzo is there as before but he follows Danielle as well as Jill Caroline and Kookoo, but not his wifey..how odd is that

              • quincyil says:

                If Dina wanted to play games by becoming her own cat, why would she become someone that we might suspect was Dina. Same goes for this tommy.

                I don’t understand why strangers would becomes so invested that they create alternative identities with the names of the reality stars or their families.

                For the few dollars these women are paid, they take huge risks for their families. I actually saw one guy ask Kelly for a train ticket so he could go to see her. That request was on her twitter. That just scares the heck out of me. Kelly worries about putting Ramona’s daughter in a town car. She should be worried about tweeting the places that she and her kids are going to be.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Kelly would tweet to Hannibal Lecter & Minnie the mouse. She hasn’t a clue.

  101. MickeyMouth says:

    Hi all, I am just blog catching up after a very long obligation weekend. I am now two DC shows behind and really don’t know what everyone is talking about regarding the show, however I can read a lot of opinions on race, politics and blog etiquette. You all have been very busy. 🙂

  102. Lynn – OY VEY!!!

    I thought you were still on Blogger and have not seen recent posting and saw little to none in comments..

  103. Adgirl says:

    Any Mad Men fans??? Sooo, what did you think about the epi?
    Sounds could be falling apart at SCDP.
    And do you think Joan did it?
    What’s Faye’s position in Don’s life now?

  104. lillybee says:

    Poor Clare on TAR. She got hit in the face with a watermelon and still finished the challenge.

    • Adgirl says:

      OMG that was craaaazy. Although I expected it because I saw a preview on another show.
      I knew those guys would come in last – losers edit. And hello? We’re in the country of London? I expected a little better from an TAR contestent.

      I like the docs.

      Am I the only one who gets happy when the TAR theme song starts??? LOVE IT.

  105. JKW says:

    Hi Adgirl…MM fan here. Wow alot happened tonight…most of it bad. Not sure on the Joan situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if she decided not to. Sort of seemed like Don was giving Faye the brush off toward the end.

    • Adgirl says:

      Yeah it looks like Faye got too close.
      So Don Draper inadvertantly takes down his own company? If I were Pete I probably would have told everybody what the real problem is. Bert already knows, so only Roger needed to be told (Since Layne is away). Is he covering for Don because if there is no Don there is no agency?
      Roger is sad.
      Holy shit I was shocked about Layne taking his dad to a key club, but I guess that was the point – to shock him. Layne ended up getting the shock.

      I follow Spoiled Bastard machine blog http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/tgoodman/index on MM but Tim posts a day or so after the show. His posters really analysis the show.
      And there is http://www.lippsisters.com/

      • Olivia says:

        Last night’s episode showed Don’s vulnerable side to having those past revelations revealed since so much of the ad agency is dependent upon his involvement.

        However, as soon as he learned that the investigation was no longer in play, he reverted back to his “old ways” by pushing Faye aside and reconsidering Megan as a playmate.

        This is Don from start to finish. He may have some feelings toward his children but his true nature is self preservation.

        I love that the “happy endings” are not always in the cards for these people. One reason that makes this show so interesting.

      • JKW says:

        I don’t know that Don thinks he is taking down the company. No one knows yet about Roger losing the cigarette account. Of course Roger was freaking because he thought the defense acct would soften the blow of losing his account. I have to say this was one show I didn’t like Roger very much. I think Faye is on the way out….Don will back to superficial relationships. I read the TVgasm recaps. She does a great job of analysis and brings up things I miss. Here is a link to an interview with Kiernan (plays Sally ) she is a very smart, well spoken little girl. I love that her mom pre-screens the show and won’t let her watch the whole thing.

  106. JKW says:

    Lily…..Claire did great considering being hit in the face. I was hoping it would be her partner instead…my God she was getting on my nerves with that constant cheerleader chatter.

    • Adgirl says:

      Getting punched by a watermellon has got to hurt. I wonder if she will have a bruise! I agree about the yelling during roadblocks. I tell my husband all of the time that is my least favorite part of the show. The producers must insist on it because they all do it.
      And ugh the 1st place team getting the fast pass or whatever. They remind me of that team from a few years ago, her name was Victoria and he yelled all of the time at her.

      • Adgirl says:

        TAR is supposed to be the smart classy reality show. I’m annoyed they have someone on who doesn’t even know she’s in England (she thinks London is the country)?!

        • lillybee says:

          Hey, if Sarah Palin thinks Africa is a country, I can give those dummies a pass. At least they know they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

          • quincyil says:

            Did you catch Mary and Lolly recanting the Declaration of Independence and claiming it was the US Constitution? That was a Sarah Palin moment for sure. Did her daughter skip college?

        • JKW says:

          They always have a couple of those dopes that screw up the country or continent. I imagine Claire’s face was a mass of bruises. I am surprised her nose wasn’t broken. She kept saying her face was numb..and her idiot partner kept yelling how proud she was of her and to keep running. I think I would have picked up a watermelon or a rock and thrown at her and told her to shut up !

  107. TT in OC says:

    I finally caught up with all the comments (I worked weekends) and am very proud of my Lynnfam. Once again, we proved that we are civilized and intelligent. We expressed our viewpoints and at the same time respected others. I have yet to organize my thoughts about the latest DC episode, but I think I mostly share Snarkella’s viewpoints.

    This is the best site ever!!

  108. Wall St Lady says:

    Lillibee & Adgirl
    CFlower has been gone since early this morning when she shared her mean attack on the other pog. Anyone know how to check on her ? I am worried.

    • quincyil says:

      I don’t know, but she has a family. I wouldn’t worry.

      • Adgirl says:

        I don’t know her. I hope she is OK.

        It’s hard to understand what is really going on with people you “meet” on the net. Especially on message boards where we use handles and selectively release info about ourselves.
        I’m glad to hear she has family. I kind of hope we don’t hear from her because she decided to stay away from her computer.

  109. please don't beat up on me says:

    She does have family and they are apparently close, so I would think that she is safe. After she created the suicide drama last night, I believe that others may be checking up on her, as well. That was one of my reasons for concern, and wound up feeling a fool for worrying. She can easily be located in Missouri if you need the full name, Google and you will find it. Don’t use the ‘flower’ portion of her moniker.

  110. It's Hot In Texas says:

    I just saw this about Teresa’s plans for October 3rd:

    Teresa Giudice of Bravo’s “Real Housewives of New Jersey” will appear at Sorella Day Spa at 1220 Whitehorse Mercerville Road in Hamilton on Sunday, Oct. 3, at 2 p.m.

    Does anyone know if the auction is still on for that date???

    • vilzvet says:

      It looks like it has been pulled off the calendar with the notation that it is still postponed. Maybe they are getting their wish that relatives are going to buy back their stuff. Darn it!

  111. MickeyMouth says:

    Lolly just tweeted good luck to her mom at the reunion today.

  112. quincyil says:

    Lolly’s art

    I know a lot of local artists with college degrees. Even those artists who are nationally know give workshops for extra income. One of the top St. Louis artists came here a few years back and I helped her load paintings after a month long show. She said that it’s difficult. I go to art galleries like one in Monterrey, Ca., where the artist selling that day said it has been a horrible year.

    I suppose Lolly believes that her mother’s friends will stand in line to buy her paintings, but they all have decorators and you better have colors that go with the couch. It’s not my place to judge, but I did look at the painting in her gallery from the video at Bravo. I absolutely don’t know what sells in DC, but I don’t know if she could get a spot in a gallery at this point. You need series of paintings, exposure, and usually a number of wins in juried competitions to become a known artist in the Midwest.

    Or…it has to be an entirely new idea… like Jackson Pollock had in the 1950s. He had his wife advocating for him and rich backers like Peggy Guggenheim.

    I visit galleries and museums. I haven’t seen anything like her work in either venue.

    • cusi77 says:

      Quincy_ I have not seen Mary’s Gallerie or Lolli’s paintings.
      Certainly it is not easy no make a life selling Art in this days…
      I was a succesful printmaker in the 80’s, sellling for Hyatt Regency Hotels… Thank God! I could sell for about 3-4 years that I could buy some real state that today gives me rental income regularly, otherwise I can’t live paiting, sculpting, doing silver and gold jewelry… I think Lolly is not in touch with reality and the only person in her life who has given her some kind of advice is her Father…

      • quincyil says:

        Mary said she painted for years. I am sure Lolly loves to paint. It’s just such a hard life if you have to support yourself.

        A nationally knowo watercolorist told a group of us that he struggles to send paintings to contests because of the shipping costs.

        I think Lolly should be encouraged to enter juried competition and to take more classes from the best teachers in DC.

        • cusi77 says:

          Ty Quincy. I haven’t entered to any competition in years! My work has been selected in the past but never won any award! I had a couple of Goldsmith pieces published for their design, though.

        • MickeyMouth says:

          I wrote this somewhere, I think. Lolly tweeted something about working for a faux finishing company for the last year. I think it’s a home furnishing company. I don’t know if she is involved in making the “faux” finishes but if she is that’s a good way to earn money from her art.

      • nathania says:

        I know…if she is really going to make a go of this she needs her @ss kicked, not to be humored by mom. My dad and both of my brothers are incredibly talented artists. My dad supported himself and our family as a billboard painter (back in the days when most of them were painted instead of posters). We used to be so proud of him because for a time he had his own company and when we saw his logo on billboards we would tell everyone within earshot “My Dad painted that”. During that time he had two bad falls, one in which an employee slipped and grabbed a rope that flipped the scaffolding down and he ended up with a broken arm, I think that time they feel about 10 or fifteen feet. The other time a rotten wooden scaffolding buckled underneath them and he and another employee fell forty feet. My dad ended up with several broken vertebrae and the helper was permanently injured. Since they signed release forms because he was self-employed, the company who owned the billboard was found not to be liable and my parents ended up filing bankruptcy after that because of medical bills. Immediately after the injury even with a broken back my dad had to crawl to his truck and drive down the highway to find someone to call and ambulance, and it took them 45 minutes to get them out of his truck onto the stretcher to take him to the hospital. (He is on disability now and mainly his painting lately is restricted to characters like Nemo and Thomas the Tank Engine for his grandkids)

        Of my brothers, one works in graphic design and the other works for a telecom company. They are both astonishingly talented as artists, my oldest brother, like my dad, can do just about anything, and my youngest brother specializes in cartoon type drawings…I don’t know how to describe them but he can sit down and freehand the cutest drawings of his family, his kids, anyone, there is such a quality of happiness in his work, he wanted to be a cartoonist for disney at one time, but didn’t pursue it.

        That being said, to me Lolly’s work looks sloppy. It looks like the kind of semi-abstract stuff that a a lot of painters do when they are first starting out and think they have ‘vision’. I’m not saying she doesn’t, but I think there is a weird undercurrent of guilt that Mary has for some reason regarding Lolly…she really isn’t doing her any favors by not forcing her to get a real job. My mother had to strong-arm my brother through graphic arts school to get his associates degree at the local community college and it was a tremendous gift that she gave him as he has always been able to work in the artistic field, and he has always been able to hold a real job with benefits and insurance and so on. His first job was for a company that designed golf scorecards and he did that for close to a decade I think. I think his job is a bit more IT oriented now but he has never gone hungry (not that Lolly ever will). I am probably speaking out of turn but that sloppy technique with abstract work annoys me, if you are going to do it you should really try to do it well, and then convey the ‘uniqueness’ of your mind in a way that doesn’t scream “I’m special and you would understand me if you are too, if you don’t get it it’s your fault.”

  113. cusi77 says:

    I have been thinking about a “hot” topic in The American Society: DRINKING AGE. Since I have been raised in another culture and been living for several years in European Countries, I would like to share what I have learn and lived about drinking – before it becomes old.
    I was a child in the 50’s and 60’s. I do not remember when I had my first glass of wine… I remember Sunday lunches in my Grandparents home… and Christmas Eve, Etc. We, the kids had a glass of water, a cup for wine in case we wanted wine with our meal. Normal. There are not alcoholics in my family (to my knowledge). I recall my Aunts and Uncles a little more bubbly and perhaps more noisy… laughing and having a great time, I always thought they were happy but never passed for my mind there were drunk!
    Living in Europe with my then 13 year old Son, we used to eat once a week with red wine, one glass. That bottle was there for three or four weekends.
    I live now in Las Vegas for the last two years, I have seen very young soldiers with big guns… It seems (to me) incredible that they can go to give their lives for our Country (I am an American Citizen now) and they are NOT ALOWED TO DRINK!!!!????
    Enlighten me, please, how that makes sense.

  114. Wall St Lady says:

    I am not on FB & don’t twitter I googled cyotee & I don’t understand what I saw. When I saw cyotee here I had no idea she was doing anything but posting as a grand mother who cooked with & loved her granddaughter.
    Could u enlighten me.

    • quincyil says:

      No, I did not look at the other site. I do not know her personally, but she is from my area because she knew some of the places that I know. It also could be someone registering under that name other than the person we know.

      This is why I don’t twitter or visit sites that attack you if you disagree. I also ask no for help with the internet other than Kat, my computer guru who found an issue that I didn’t know about.

      I have dealt with people in real life who have issues. All you can do is be calm and logical, then hope for the best.

      We are lucky to have Lynn and others here who are intelligent and reasonable women. It’s a cold and dark place out there in cyberspace. I refuse to go through that door.

      • Bob Loblaw says:

        Just for the record….Cyottee wasn’t an innocent victim. She came out looking for trouble, then played victim when people stood up for themselves. The enitre “argument” started over someone posted that Tamara was “a trailer trash breeder”, and Cyotte just went OFF….(that’s the truth)

  115. Wall St Lady says:

    WSM went to see Wall Street at the biggest theater in NYC ,the Zigfield. This was his brief review to me.

    Ok movie. Michael Douglas was a little like a “dull knife” cutting a steak. The girl in our film the Greatest is in a lead role (carey mulligan). Should be down there.
    A lot of people we know have cameo. Bartiroma, Scaramucci, Chanos, Insona, others.
    I will go again w/u.

    • quincyil says:

      I bought Maria Bartiroma’s book on the weekend when everything changed. I just love her. She’s smart and beautiful.

      Even if people have problems, I still care about them. It’s called compassion. LOL… I think everyone here feels the same.

  116. Dwight Schrute says:

    Suet Chef? Ummm, it’s “Sous Chef.” “Sous” means “under” in French so it is type of chef under the main chef.

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