I Hate Jill Zarin The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Nov 12, 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin    Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

Southern California is heating up now, it didn’t take long for these ladies to start bickering, it seems that with a few exceptions they didn’t know each other all that well but bring on the cat fights.

I really like Lisa, I believe that she’s a really good person and you can see that she tries to keep the peace and wants everyone to get along.  The show opens with Lisa and her freeloading houseguest Cedric preparing for their day.  I don’t understand how Lisa can stand to continuously carry that little dog around with her wherever she goes and whatever she does.  She’s trying to prepare two cups of coffee for herself and Cedric with Giggy under one arm and I just wanted to shake her and yell, “put the damn dog down!”  Luckily she moves on with her day minus the dog as we see her shopping for flowers and arranging the most stunning huge floral piece for her restaurant.

Lisa explains that she’s training Cedric who can now perform all of the necessary tasks at the restaurant in her absence, it was good to hear that he was actually doing something to earn his keep.  In all fairness he seems like a nice guy and obviously provides something of value to Lisa, she’s too smart to keep a deadbeat around for too long.

Lisa plans an intervention for Kyle whose fear of flying has gotten out of control and helping out today is a hypnotherapist.  While she was initially skeptical, Kyle tells us she thinks that it has done the trick.  Her blog confirms that she certainly flew with less stress than in the past, so good for her!

Dual shopping sprees show Taylor and Kyle doing damage on Rodeo Drive while in another shop, Adrienne and Kim are stimulating the economy in their own special way.

I was really sorry for Adrienne as she took that phone call letting her know that her uncle passed away.  Adrienne is so lovingly dedicated to her family and as we all can clearly see, she is beside herself and in shock.  I was a little disappointed in Kim for letting Adrienne just leave by herself without offering to go with her.  It just seemed a bit cold to see her walk out alone like that.  Assuming Adrienne had a car and driver standing by, it might have been nice to have a friend stay with her until she could be with her family.

Kyle and Taylor’s shopping spree was much less dramatic if you ignore Kyle’s comment about being a size 2-4 which is “huge” for Beverly Hills.  I can’t even comment on that ridiculous statement.

Luckily there were no annoying packing scenes just the ladies arriving at LAX and the, in your face, ad for Virgin Airlines.  The airline employee asks Lisa a very simple question, “Have you flown with Virgin Airlines before?”  Most people would just respond with yes or no but not Lisa, remember she knows everyone.  Lisa’s response, “of course, I know Richard”.  (referring to Virgin Airlines owner Richard Branson)

Tonight’s episode featured Camille Grammer opening with her discussing the New York trip with her sounding board and family friend, Nick who seems to be Camille’s Danny.  Danielle needed someone to talk to so that viewers knew what was going through that sick mind of hers, Danielle had Danny, Camille has Nick.

Seeing Camille with her mother, who is being treated for cancer was really disgusting, there was no empathy for her mother but she spent the time complaining about how tired she is from her Hawaiian vacation?  Is she serious?  This is just a bad person folks!

We learn that she is still very upset with Kyle for comments made off-screen and once again I cannot understand why she would bring it up on-screen.  Similar to Luann from New York bringing up Mario’s “Countless” comment, viewers would have never known that Kyle made a rude comment to Camille if she had just let it go.  In both cases the goal was to get viewers on their side and make the other party involved look bad and in both cases, it failed.

Does anyone else think that being one of Camille and Kelsey’s house managers is the best damn job in the world?  Appearing to be just another dinner guest, she’s seen sipping her cocktail and dining with the mistress of the house.  This is a paid employee?  I suppose a paycheck and cocktail are in order just for tolerating Camille Grammer.  I could do that, where do I sign up?

Another really idiotic plan of Camille’s backfires as she tours the New York apartment and tells us that the 3500 square feet is simply not large enough for her family of four.  She is just not sure if she can be cooped up in that tiny space all summer long.  I still cannot imagine why this marriage didn’t survive!

It was nice to see Kelsey playing with his children and their genuine glee at seeing Daddy after a long absence.  I hope that he has maintained close contact with them as the divorce is happening.

As the ladies arrive in New York City, Camille welcomes them to the hotel as if she owns it the way Adrienne owns the Palms.  The ladies congregate in Taylor’s suite and are presented with gifts of t-shirts featuring Kelsey Grammer’s Broadway show along with cocktails and girl talk.

Kyle and Camille step into another room to hash out their differences as Lisa and Kim listen at the door.  After they seem to agree to disagree about what exactly was said in Las Vegas, they hug it out and emerge with a plan to meet for dinner in 20-minutes.

Those 20-minutes seem to have been enough for Camille to completely forget about the truce and hug because she is determined to continue the battle at dinner with all the ladies present.  Kyle is as shocked as the rest of the table as Camille informs everyone that she thought about it over the past 20-minutes and is upset once again over what she claims Kyle said.  Kyle continues to deny saying to Camille, “who would be interested in you without Kelsey around?”

I have to admit that I have a hard time believing that anyone would say that, let alone Kyle who doesn’t seem to have a mean bone in her body.  Kyle is understandably upset that all of this is being brought up yet again and Camille triumphantly tells viewers that she wins because she maintained calm.  Personally, rather than calm, Camille seemed a bit psychotic to me, like the quiet but crazy one who surprises all the neighbors by turning out to be a serial killer.

Cut to Lisa’s restaurant where the husbands gather to celebrate their wives being out of town for a few days.  Only Lisa’s husband seems to be missing his wife as he tells the others several times and they just look at him like he’s a bit crazy.  When everyday women like us go out of town, typically our husbands are responsible for watching the kids, feeding them and maintaining the house.  These men have none of those worries because they’ve hired people to do all of that for them and so they’re enjoying a relaxing night out with the guys missing only Kelsey Grammer.  Cheers!  (pun intended)

Back in New York at Serafina Restaurant, Kyle becomes even more visibly upset as Camille is like a dog with a bone and is determined to ruin dinner for everyone.  The argument includes Kyle calling Camille a liar and causing her sister Kim to gasp in shock and cover her mouth as if she’s acting in a Disney movie.  Some things die hard.  Camille has this sinister fake smile and her voice becomes childlike making her even more creepy as she continues to push the issue.  The argument continues next week, Watch What Happens…

I am really missing Adrienne these past few weeks and hope that she returns with more scenes soon, since she was not at the drama filled New York theatre trip, we may not see too much of her next week either.

Andy Cohen hosted another episode of Watch What Happens live last night, my blog on WWHL will be posted here:

http://lynnnchicago.blogspot.com/

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Until Next Time…

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844 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Nov 12, 2010

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  5. plainviewsue says:

    Spot on as always Lynn!

    Camille is a disgusting human being. First of all, can u tell me why she even has children? She is never with them, i.e. Hawaii trip, etc. Hopefully, they are getting some love from their 4 nannies.

    To even say on camera that the apartment was too small. And to top it all, the scene with her mom. Why isn’t she with her mom while she is going thru her treatments? Oh yeah, she has to run her house (wait, she has a house manager), take care of her kids (wait, she has 4 nannies), go to Hawaii and make sure the pool and hot tubs are ready for her.

    She definitely has the Kelly gene, the way she attacked Kyle. Love Lisa.

    • American Idiot says:

      I agree with you. I see alot of Kelly in Camille. They are the only two housewives, so far, out of all the franchises, who have made me white, hot angry. Both Kelly and Camille have trouble processing coversations. Something is said, but they hear it a totally different way.

      Also, this is really petty, but why wasn’t Camille’s mother getting a manicure too. I bet she would have loved some pampering.

      • babelony says:

        I felt so bad for her Mom. Moms need their daughters at times like that and Camille not only wasn’t there for her, she almost sounded accuatory that her Mom had passed down the cancer gene.

        • sophie says:

          It was Camille’s narcissitic nature that made her ‘compete’ with her mother’s cancer. She can’t just let her mom be sick and be there for her, she has to turn it around and make it about herself.

          I didn’t like this woman from first sight. She’s a manipulator, a user, and a problem. She found a wealthy, famous man in a weakened state, got her hooks in him, right away got someone else to bear the two insurance policies i.e. her children and is happily awaiting her cashout.

          She’s on this show because she WON’T be in Kelsey’s ‘shadow’ anymore and needs her own clout. This is her way of keeping herself out there.

          I really doubt that Kyle said those things to her face. I’d say them behind her back though. As most of America probably is.

          Camille: Nobody is interested in you without Kelsey there. Period.

          • nathania says:

            At this point, I almost have to wonder if Kelsey knew this show might dampen any bad press he got from divorcing her. Because he had to have seen what kind of women do these shows, and he had to have known his wife is one of the crazier ones. I am starting to understand now why Kelsey would urge her to be on this show; At first I thought it was insanity being that the affair was going on…now as the show progresses he can just sit back and say, just like Bernie Mac, “See what I went through, America?”

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      Agree with all of it. I was amazed at how self absorbed Camille is. Her mother is suffering from cancer yet she complains about trivial things. Unreal.

      • Melinda says:

        notice how Camille turned it right back to her by telling her mom that SHE has the gene for cancer and now has to be extra careful!!! OMG….her poor mom!

    • kbinldo says:

      I’m still scraping my jaw off the floor from her comments to her mom who actually HAS cancer. “Oh poor me, I had to go through all these tests & I’m wiped out because cancer is genetic & I have to find out if I have that gene or not. [s] I hope I have that gene so I can milk having cancer for all it’s worth. [/s]And on top of *all that* I had to go to Hawaii to check out my house, I’ve got a show in development with Nickelodeon [s] for which I was only the idea person, but really who cares about the writer who has to do all the *real* work anyway? [/s], then I went to Vegas to see a concert, & now *this* trip, where I find out my 3500 sq ft apartment is just *way* too small for my family & all my staff. Woe is me! Oh, so, how’s your chemo going, Ma?”

      GMAFB.

    • Melinda says:

      I totally agree with you……..Camille is EVERYTHING that we see and she tries to say she isn’t but let’s be real…….to complain multiple times about the size of the apartment in NYC (it is NYC for god’s sake!!) is disgusting! She did not grow up as a rich/privileged kid but somehow has gotten very comfortable spending her husband’s money!

      oh and with her mom…….did you notice it was Camille who got a manicure….NOT HER MOM!!?!?! her mom was just sitting their like a lady-in-waiting to Queen Camille!!

      I agree with your whole post!

    • babykakes says:

      Kim is the perfect candidate for a shrinks couch..truly pathetic! i really feel
      sorry for her.

      Camille is just ‘batsh*t karazzzy’! her & Kelly B. should be sharing jelly beans!

      • babykakes says:

        anyone think that Kelsey has probably been stepping out on Camille
        for a loooonnnnnga time? who could stand to be around her for
        very long. unless, he’s something else behind closed doors that
        we are not aware of.

        • nathania says:

          yep. and he knew he had no prenup and kids so he stuck it out as long as humanly possible. and then he was probably like, ‘you know what, 30 million is a small price to pay to buy this b*tch a plane ticket out of my life’.

  6. In response to Kim not supporting Adriane well its Kim lol she cant handle her own stress u could tell she looked lost on what 2 do but i think A was better off not having her go. i think A would of rejected.lol i know i would oh goodness & that camille how the hell turn a conversation from ur poor mom having Cancer in TO YOU? WTF? I cant stand her. What job does she do? anyone know?

  7. quincyil says:

    The conversations among the BH housewives are just as real as conversations I hear every day. There are so many walking wounded on this planet and they are determined to take people down with them.

    I was flabbergasted by Camille’s treatment of her mother who has cancer for the second time. Yes, second time. The lady is dealing with a recurring, life threatening disease, and it’s all about Camille. Camille’s genes. Camille’s hospital tests. Camille’s fears for herself. Kelsey found a doctor for her mother and I think he cares more about his mother in law than Camille ever cared.

    Nick meets with Camille and he asked her if “you guys” called each other to say you were sorry. Camille says, “No.” Later, Kyle tells Camille that I called and called, but you never called back. A little hard to have the discussion if Camille isn’t returning calls. I think she wanted the drama in NYC. She wanted to show her victimhood on national TV and take Kyle down.

    I too think that the Oklahoma girl is in the mix of things, but it doesn’t take much to stir the Camille pot.

    Kelsey stated that he was married for 13 years and he knows Camille like no one else knows Camille. I think we know Camille too and it’s been less than a month.

    Camille told TMZ that the miscarriage of Kelsey’s new girlfriend’s baby was Karma.
    This speaks volumes about Camille. Kelsey run for the hill and take your kids with you.

    • Night Light says:

      When I read that’s what Camille said about about the miscarriage, I thought she was taken out of context. This was before the series started.

      BTW she keeps saying she rather be with her Real friends and when they show clips of her Real friends they are paid staff. She doesn’t have any friends.

      • American Idiot says:

        Yes, I am always a little wary of anyone who claims their hairdresser, makup artist, drycleaner, waitress, etc. is their “best friend”. They may be friendly towards you, and you may have known them for years, but they are doing their job.

        (I have a sister-in-law who does this all the time and it drives me nuts)

        I am also very wary when I feel someone is not a girls’ girl. I am, and I love having girlfriends. I still have a good friend from kindgergarten; and also HS and college and beyond. Anyway, it’s a red flag for me.

        • babelony says:

          I still have three gf’s from elementary school and I’m with you, she’s not a girls girl. She thinks she’s impressing us with her (her husbands) wealth when, really, her attitude is a huge turnoff. She’s as phony as they come.

      • quincyil says:

        I think Camille was seathing and furious over Kelsey’s girl friend and new baby. She’s into Mercury in retrograde and where is the moon, so Karma is right up her alley.

      • good does this mean ther will be no camille for season 2?

        • quincyil says:

          I think she wants stardom like Jill Zarin, so no matter the trouble, she will come back and back and back.

    • Melinda says:

      HA…did Camille learn NOTHING from Jill Zarin about trying to LOOK like the victim?!?!?! Camille just sabotaged herself!

      • Zoey says:

        Or did she not see the type of publicity that Kelly and Michaele both got? I wonder if she’s thick-skinned enough to take being famous at any cost, even being thought of as dumb, shallow and mean. I think she is.
        Would love to hear more about her upbringing.

    • nathania says:

      the Bravo cameras are always looking for hidden clues and contradiction and I have to admit when I saw the look on Nick’s face it was as if he was thinking “not this sh*t again” as far as the obsession she has with people believing Kelsey is the main draw. It was so funny that friend Nick went out of his way not to affirm her delusion or support her telling of the incident, at least not on camera.

      Camille has more than a few screws loose. I would bet at least 50 percent of them are jangling around up there in her head unattached to anything solid or structural. And it’s just the beginning. I wonder if she has gotten worse with age? Women who have borderline and or narcissist tendencies can sometimes go completely outer limits when they first start showing the signs of age…especially when their entire identity has always been based in their sexuality. I think Kelsey is getting out while the getting is good.

  8. AZ Girl says:

    Great re-cap. I fell asleep again. The time change is killing me. I can’t stay awake. I will have to catch up this weekend.
    Camille starts her blog saying that this episode exhausted her. Does this woman need freaking vitamins or what??? She exhausted getting ready to go to Hawaii. She is exhausted coming home from Hawaii. She is exhausted watching the show.
    A staff of 10 to help with whatever needs she has and she is EXHAUSTED.

    Memo to Camille….eat a Big Mac and get some fat in your bony ass body and maybe you will not be tired all the time. For heaven sakes. I do more in my day from 5 a.m to 6 a.m. then what Camille does in a 24 hour day.

    @ Quincy, I think Camille needs a trip to your place and a day of work. Walking your mother’s dogs is good start.

    • quincyil says:

      I’d rather have lunch with Lisa or go shopping with Kyle.

    • kbinldo says:

      Camille would need a battallion of staff to do what you, I, & everyone else do between 5 a.m. & 6 a.m. And she would *still* be exhausted. lol

      • quincyil says:

        I am actually off today and have been furiously raking oak leaves. I want to use them for the better good. Right now, I drop them into a ravine where the ground is now has a low pH from years of oak leaves. Can’t we use oak leaves to power private jets from Virgin? Ask Lisa to ask her friend.

      • quincyil says:

        I think all of the women here are more efficient than Camille. Lisa and Adrienne seem to have it together.

        Andrienne said she had a house keeper. Everyone here knows how much work it is to keep our homes. We saw her home. It is physically impossible for one housekeeper to keep that house clean.

        • kbinldo says:

          hahaha….I actually have a maid (thanks to being very ill a couple of years ago & not being able to do housework for a while) who comes twice a month. I keep asking her back because (a) I can (sort of) afford it & (b) I really truly hate housework. I still have to do housework if something comes up in between visits (like the kitchen & bathrooms–I don’t mind doing those, funnily enough). My goal is to be able to afford her to come over once a week.

          • quincyil says:

            I used hypnosis on myself. I convinced myself that all work: barn, house, and yard; is exercise.
            Now if I would just stop barking when the bell on the dryer goes off, everything would be perfect.

          • sophie says:

            Nothing wrong at all with having a person to do the homekeeping. We all work, some of us more than one job and the last thing anyone wants to do is come home and clean our house, or spend our precious weekends doing it.

            Plus, it helps the economy to hire someone else who’s probably much better at it anyway!

  9. Night Light says:

    Where to begin with, I completely adore Lisa and Kyle and their husbands. I can tell these two couples love and respect each other. These two ladies have a wonderful sense of humor and I have completely enjoyed them. Kim, poor Kim, I think the reason she didn’t go with Adrien (I think it was a perfect opportunity to bond) when she left was because they are just getting to know each other. Kim is what I would categorize is a social klutz but is harmless and I think once you know her she is pretty sweet. I don’t see anything about Taylor that is not attached to money. That girl’s catch phrase, “I might seem like I have it all, but I want more” says it all.
    Now to the most shallow RH of them all as far as I am concerned, Camille. She is not a girls girl so I don’t see why any woman would be supportive of her. I would never wish anyones marriage to fall apart much less have your spouse cheat on you BUT I can understand why it didn’t last, what I don’t understand is why it lasted! Camielle, is not only shallow but she is cruel and vicouse. I would recommend Lynn to add her name to “I hate Jill Zarin and Camille who married Kelsey Grammer.”

    • Snarkella says:

      Or I hate Jill Zarin and Kelsey Grammars Exwife. Lol

      Sorry I’m typing on phone and it’s difficult.

    • Dawn says:

      What type of man chooses a Camille? This is what he wanted in a wife. Given his past history, it’s obvious that he wasn’t looking for a sainted wife. I can’t stand Camille but I’ll give Mr. Grammer no pass in the matter. He got what he bargained for.

      • quincyil says:

        He was in a very bad place when he married her. I’m sure she was supportive and probably helped him deal with the drugs, alcohol and sex addictions.

  10. realminkey says:

    Lynn, I too was relieved to see that Lisa had put Giggy down to go do other things. I was beginning to worry about Gig becoming atrophied from having no exercise. I love Lisa, but the Richard Branson name-drop was uncalled for.

    I never really got the feeling that things were ever smoothed over between Kyle and Camille at the hotel. I thought the way the one-on-one ended was unsettling.

    Every minute Camille is on camera the intensity of my loathing of her grows. Could that sweet woman with cancer really be the mother of such a narcissistic monster? Her eyes at dinner said it all. They’re not whacky Romana-like crazy; they’re venom-fueled-psycho crazy!

    • quincyil says:

      Why does she think that she has to win in a discussion with a female friend?

      I think Kyle really wanted to patch this up. Her husband probably was Camille and Kelsey’s realestate agent in the purchase of those glorius mansions. Kyle doesn’t want to affect that relationship/income. I don’t think that Kyle needs to worry about Camille telling friends not to use Kyle’s husband because her friends are needy and she likes the underdog. Shades of Jill Zarin here, ladies. Have we not seen this before? She helps people, but they better thank her over and over and over and never ever forget who is in charge in that friendship. Heaven forbid, someone stay home with his baby when Camille needs a ladies/gents in waiting for her royal court.

      I am disturbed that Taylor still hates the puppy. It’s work for her. I bet she the maid is doing the clean up, not Taylor. How long will her resentment against her husband’s gift of the puppy go on?

      • realminkey says:

        Anyone who can hate an innocent puppy for any reason, is automatically on my sh*t list.

        • error404 says:

          the dog was just a pawn. Taylor and Russell hate each others guts, and usually they use Kennedy to get back at each other. The spitefully expensive Barbie necklace and the poor puppy no one even the kid seems to care about where just how the rich slap each other.

      • debbie says:

        quincyil .. Kyle needn’t worry about Mauricio losing Camille’s referrals. As American Idiot said, 95% of her “best” friends are employees, bought and paid for. I don’t think that they have Kelsey’s money; On WWHL after the first episode, Camille said, when asked, that she pays her nannies 50-75k a year. I don’t think they’ll be buying BH real estate anytime soon, unless they marry another Kelsey.
        On another note, did anyone notice how forced the playtime seemed that Camille had with her kids in NY? There was no real laughter going on in that scene at all. It appeared staged for the cameras and creepy, imo.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Maybe she doesn’t hate the puppy as much as she hates that Russell upstaged her at her, I mean her daughter’s birthday event…..It was surprising to she her carrying the puppy to the door and it was sad to see her daughter trying to melt into the staircase.

        • quincyil says:

          Sometimes couples are married for the wrong reasons. I think Russel wanted an attractive wive and Oklahoma wanted money.

          • Jen says:

            I don’t think Russell wanted to be married at all- hence the reason she had to pursue him, she wanted $$$- he just doesn’t seem into their marriage

      • sophie says:

        She hates her husband, not the puppy. Did you notice as she gave the toast, with her husband standing right next to her, she continually referred to “MY” daughter…and not OUR daughter?

        This is extraordinarily telling…and her attorney will inform her on the way into divorce court, that she’d damned well better not pull that kind of a stunt in court during the custody battle. The judge listens for the ownership of the children. They want to hear the child referred to in an and all capacities as “OUR”…and NEVER “MINE”.

        It just shows that Russell is her bank account and sperm donor. She resented him being at his own child’s birthday party, and likely designed the party deliberately to keep him from wanting to attend….’girly’.

        She’s a piece of work, that Taylor…right along with her buddy Camille. Golddiggers the both of them. Birds of a feather.

  11. Kokuanani says:

    Seeing Camille’s mother was a reminder of what “graceful aging” looks like.

    I don’t doubt that she’s had some “work” done, but it looks natural, she looks natural.

    OTOH, there’s Jill’s crypt-keeper mom . . .

    • Obsessed with RH says:

      Did you notice when Camille was talking at dinner and she raised her eyebrows, most of her forehead didn’t move but at the very top she had three wrinkles? If you get plastic surgery (and I personally count botox as plastic surgery) you should make sure they get the whole area, although Camille looks as fake as they come and those eyes definitely reminded me of Ramona’s crazy eyes.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        It’s hard to look rightously indignant when your face is frozen!

        • quincyil says:

          rotfl. Nah… I do it all of the time…rotfl.

          In winter…in the barn with those North winds blowing… rotfl.

      • TLM says:

        Agreed,I noticed that as well. Her whole face looks like the result of bad plastic surgery, and yet she never had her under-eye area filled in so that that looks sunken. Finally, what is the deal with her wonky eye? It is so distracting. I’ve heard several people talk about Andy Cohen’s wonky eye and I don’t even notice it; hers gives me a headache. Evidently this woman thinks she’s 18 and super-hot, when she’s nothing more than a rapidly aging, desperate looking woman.

        The bad news for Kelsey is that there was no prenup and she is likely to get half of the Frasier money. One more reason to feel sorry for him!I hope she gets stuck in the “tiny” 3500-ft apartment. Poor, poor Camille… does her daily torture of playing tennis and going to lunch ever end?

        • Dawn says:

          I have no sympathy for Kelsey Grammer. Why would I? He CHOSE her. I think his taste in women speaks loudly about who he is.

          • TLM says:

            You have a point. It is kind of funny that he played such a highbrow guy on Cheers and Frasier, yet married an MTV dancer/Playboy model.

            I say that I feel sorry for Kelsey jokingly. I loved him in his role as Frasier Crane but I never followed him outside of the shows. I read that he has had many tragedies in his life, including the murder of his father, sister, and death of his half-brothers in a scuba accident. I just read that he was married to a stripper in 1992. So maybe he had a penchant for those types.

            • sophie says:

              He married the girl he could never get in high school. His fame and money bought her. If he was a teller in a bank, she’d never have given him the time of day.

              They both got what they wanted. She got a rich and famous man to take care of her, and he got a hot chick.

              Be careful what you wish for because it can come back to bite you in the butt.

    • Night Light says:

      OMG Thank you!! Gloria is a hot mess!! How can you have SO much money and look like that!?! But then if your “friends” are paid staff I can see why.

  12. MickeyMouth says:

    When I was young, when my sisters and me would be overdramatic my mom would call us Sarah Bernhardt. Watching Camille reminded me of that. Then I remembered wasn’t there a movie called Camille where title character is overly dramatic. I looked it up and there was one with Greta Garbo. I may have just found my movie poster for Camille. Is anyone more familiar with the movie? Does it suit her?

    • realminkey says:

      Haven’t seen in eons, but as I recall Garbo’s Camille was a somwhat sympathetic character, and by the old corny Hollywood standards was a tearjerker when she dies at the end.

    • ilovelynn says:

      “camille” was a movie where the leading lady died of tb. greta garbo spent most of the movie swanning around going “cough, cough”. a real tear jerker! my mother and father used to call me sarah bernhart too! did we just age ourselves by admitting that? I bet no one on this board under the age of, ahem ahem’ knows who sarah bernhart was. lol!

      • quincyil says:

        I know who she is. She was born before the Civil War and died in the 1920’s. I dare say, she is before our time. rotfl

    • viki55 says:

      My parents said the same thing. There was actually an actress:
      Sarah Bernhardt (c. October 23, 1844 – March 26, 1923) was a French stage and early film actress, and has been referred to as “the most famous actress the world has ever known”.[2] Bernhardt made her fame on the stages of Europe in the 1870s, and was soon in demand in Europe and the Americas. She developed a reputation as a serious dramatic actress, earning the nickname “The Divine Sarah”.

      • viki55 says:

        WOW…she was in a very old production of Camille. “Her next film appearance, in the Film d’Art production of Camille (1912), was a critical and popular success, helping give cinema artistic dignity.”

    • debbie says:

      Mickey Mouth!! You must be my long lost sister.. My mom called me Sarah Bernhardt too!
      Going to try to find Camille, the movie…I’ll let you know if I get a clue.

      • ShelleyT says:

        I am “50-sonething” and when I got dramatic and carried on as a girl I was also Sarah Bernhardt. Did all our parents use the same line??

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Thanks, maybe it was the lingering death scene that I was confusing. I thought I’ve heard people use it as a reference when joking about drama but maybe they just meant dragging it out. I don’t find Camille to be sympathetic so Camille is NOT her movie.

      My mom had me late in life. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it 😉

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      When I was young and dramatic, my mother would call me Sarah HeartBurn.

      As in “get off the stage, Sarah HeartBurn!”

      I really thought that was her name!

    • kbinldo says:

      My dad called me “Sarah Heartburn,” so I would use that term to describe Camille.

    • error404 says:

      It’s a play (lady of the camellias) and an opera (la treviata) … a kept woman is generous and kind hearted, but squanders her money and lives frivilously. Her “friends” urge her to be ket by a rick villian, but she can’t help but fall in love with a young middle class boy. They live for a short time quite happily int he countryside until his father points out to her that she’s ruining his sons life, even his daughter can’t marry properly because of the shame. Marquerite decides she has to sacrifice her happiness in order to protect her lover, so she pretends to miss her old life and leaves him for the rich jerk. He hates her for it, and publicly humiliates her insinuating she’s a whore. By the time he finds out she’s sick, impoverished and dying, it’s too late. He runs to her and begs her forgiveness but she dies in his arms.

      I don’t see Camille Gramer in the story,

      • Kansas Girl says:

        Rick Villain would be a wonderful name for a character in a novel!

      • MickeyMouth says:

        Yeah, Camille doesn’t fit.

        I never realized La traviata was the story of Camille. I know the opera. The things you learn on this blog.

        • sophie says:

          Camille is one step away from being Danielle Staub. The only difference I see is that the divorce may not be final and she’s still being supported in a grander style….and she’ll get more money out of him.

  13. ilovelynn says:

    omg, after reading lynn’s recap I can’t wait to see the episode. like az girl, I too fell asleep. one comment though, after watching this show anyone who thought kelsey gammer was a sh*t for leaving his wife is now saying why did he wait 13 yrs. she did a very self serving article in people magazine a few weeks ago that almost made you feel sorry for her. now her true colors are front and center. the poster that said he was still on drugs when he married her was right on! love lisa, love kyle, love adrianne. also, love, love, love lisa’s husband!(what is his name?) love lynn!

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Kelsey is a seasoned actor unlike all of the housewives. Some have dabbled but not have ever had his success. Does anyone else feel when watching the scenes with Kelsey, including the talking heads that he is acting?

      He is a Master Thespian. Acting!” (John Lovitz anyone, lol)

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  15. AZ Girl says:

    I did re-watch last weeks episode of HWOBH and as always there are somethings you miss the first time watching. Lisa is a lovely woman. She truly cares about her family and her family cares about her. Even with the trappings of wealth they sit down and have a family dinner together. One the Lisa prepared. Not some staff member.
    Yea…Giggly (or whatever the dog’s name is) is a bit much. They need stop feeding that dog at the table.

    Taylor’s husband is just sad. He is not a happy camper and who would be being married to Taylor. At the party you could tell he just wanted to spend time with his daughter and celebrate her birthday. He is not comfortable making small talk with a bunch of people he does not know. He looks like he would be more comfortable with someone more down to earth.

    • MAMAZ says:

      I thought the same thing about Russell at the party. He lit up when he looked at his daughter. I think he bought the puppy because he knew it would make her happy, not to spite Taylor.

  16. WindyCityWondering says:

    Wondering how much of Bravo’s magic editing is making Camielle so offensive to us?

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      agreed! it’s too, too much! overkill Bravo!

      • T-REX says:

        Maybe there just isn’t anything Bravo could use from filming Camille that would make her likeable, she is just not a good person. Like Kelly B and Danielle, their all whackos, there just seems to be no way to edit “crazy”.

      • BessiB says:

        If Camille could not come off in a good light with her cancer-stricken mother, there is nothing Bravo could do.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      For me, Camille is at her worst when she does her talking heads. She says the most obnoxious things. Those talking heads are like a “gift from baby Jesus to make me laugh.” Gotta throw some Bethenney in there. 😉

    • Zoey says:

      That’s a very good point. It worked, she is very unlikable.

    • klmh says:

      Didn’t Camille say something about winning the argument because she kept her cool and didn’t make a fuss?

  17. vilzvet says:

    Camille did change the square footage of the apartment in her blog, it’s actually ONLY 2000 sq. ft., the average size of a home in the U.S. I would think, at least for a normal sized high ranch or colonial. So she apologized for being off, LOL. Guess we should forgive her.

    • realminkey says:

      Nope, I’m not going to forgive her. lol

      Forgive her? Nah, not me.
      She probably pumped up the sf to impress, but it backfired on her. Now she’s back peddling.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Yes, because the square footage was what made that scene so obnoxious, lol. She is a gift that keeps giving.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The apartment would not been crowded if she did not bring a dozen people with her! Seriously, why all the people? Other than a nanny (one fulltime 24/7) what did they really need? A chef could be local and the rest of the entourage should have been left back in California!

      • quincyil says:

        Does NYC have delivery of food? rotfl….

        She could probably do without a chef for the weekend.

        • realminkey says:

          No, no delivery in NYC because there are no restaurants. lol

        • kbinldo says:

          She’d still need someone to gather up all the delivery menus, decide which place to call, & then actually make the call to order. That’s very hard work & *very* exhausting, dontcha know?

      • vilzvet says:

        For sure! Camille is obviously a hands-OFF mother who doesn’t know how to boil water either. I would kill to have that kitchen! ONE nanny I could see since she’s in a new city and would be going out alot. By the way, what about that comment in her blog that she hadn’t seen Kelsey in a couple of MONTHS by that time?? She can fly to Hawaii but not NYC? Isn’t that about the same flight time and distance?! Crazy. Most Hollywood marriages do fail because of the time apart, and the most successful ones state that they only go a few days at the most without seeing each other. Obviously the Grammers did not have that rule, or else Kelsey didn’t want that!

        • realminkey says:

          You just know there’s a real back story as to why she hadn’t flown to NY to visit him- like he most likely did everything within his power to successfully discourage it. And then there was her comment about their separate master suites in Hawaii, for when they need their space, or whatever the lame reason she gave.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            IIRC – she mentioned not going to NYC because Kelsey was exhausted by all the rehearsals and promotional obligations…….yeah right!

      • sophie says:

        Why do they need a nanny? Camille doesn’t actually ‘work’. Her kids are in school during the day. All she has to do is wake them up, make sure they get dressed, feed em a bowl of cereal and make sure they get to school.

        When they come home, help em with the homework, spend some quality time with them, feed them, get them to bed.

        If she can ‘manage’ 800 houses from afar…why can’t she do what normal people do with just two kids?

        Oh yeah…because these children are an investment, just two little somethings to make certain when the divorce comes up, she gets even more money. She didn’t want the inconvenience of them ‘ruining’ her body, and she doesn’t want the inconvenience of even waking them up in the morning, much less raising them.

        What kind of mother expects the help to wake up her kids?

    • cusi77 says:

      When they show the apt. and Camille said it was 3500 sq. feet I thought it was wrong, I have the eye for dimensions. And what about the kids bedroom decoration… what about that expensive decorator in BH and choosing fabrics and furniture? My granddaughters have a better bedroom, with less (much less, for SURE) budget! That shopping spree was another scene for Bravo!

  18. Nett says:

    If I remember correctly, Camille made the comment about “her apartment being too small” after they showed the children’s room. She seemed embarassed that the room was small and they had to share it. If Camille didn’t have such a large staff to cater to her every want/need, then her children could have their own rooms. She makes me gag!

    • quincyil says:

      Kelsey Grammer isn’t as rich as others in the cast. They say he’s worth 85 million. In BH, that probably isn’t that much.

      • Night Light says:

        I think he’s worth more. He has Cheers money, Fraiser royalties, the African American girls show and many many others he’s receiving royalties from.
        But you can always tell the heirarchy regarding wealth because of who has to initiate apologies and the sort.
        Adriene, Camille, Lisa, Taylor, Kyle and then my poor Kim. I don’t know why but Kim gives me this poor lost puppy vibe.

    • buffywood says:

      She probably said it after she realized the children’s room was so close and she would be forced to be near them.

  19. kbinldo says:

    “Maintain close contact” hell. I want to see him get custody. It’s going to hard for Ms. “I need 4 nannies to take care of my kids 24/7” to argue that she’s the better parent & that Kelsey would have to hire someone to take care of the kids while he (actually) works.

  20. MamaCat55 says:

    You all beat me to most of my comments about Camille! For the record, we raised two kids in a 1100 sq foot home with no basement and no nannies or house manager! lol From what I understand, that is not a bad size for NY and heaven forbid they rent a second place for the staff. How she treated her mother made me want to jump thru the screen! I think the scene with Kelsey and the kids speaks volumes to her relationship to all three of them. Kelsey was not too smart in not getting a pre-nup but I say give her half and RUN Kelsey RUN!!!! I think most people see right thru Camille no matter what she says or does, she has the liablilty of coming on the franchise after some doozies so our radars are up! I also got the vibe that things were already off between her and Kelsey and that maybe she was using the show to get into “acting/producing” on her own…jmho. The ones I didn’t expect to like, Kyle, Lisa and Adrienne, seem to be good people. Kim, I think has some problems but has things that are good about her. Miss “Oklahoma” needs to go back there when her hubby kicks her to the curb or better yet, move in with Miss “Camille!”

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Exactly what does “Oklahoma” bring to an old fashion back alley beat down?Was anyone else surprised that Taylor threatened physical violence to Kim?

      • error404 says:

        Yes. As I said earlier, we’ll see what happens next week, but Taylor’s IMO OTT responds to Kim’s accusation smells of guilt to me.

        • JazzNightOut says:

          I don’t believe for a minute that Camille didn’t start discussing Kyle with Taylor once the other ladies had left. Camille wouldn’t let it go for a minute.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            And Kim threw some sisterly pay back passive agressive gasoline in for good measure…Camielle was ready to burn by the time they got down for dinner.

    • sophie says:

      He didn’t get a prenup because he was under the influence when she got him to marry her. She deliberately looked for a rich, famous man in a weakened state to take advantage of. He was dumb enough to get himself into the addictive situation and be taken advantage of.

      After a dozen years, he’s probably slowly awakened to the reality of who he married…and he probably stayed married to her this long because A: no prenup, and B: the kids.

      I think when he finally found his true love he decided she was worth the hassle of divorcing Camille, and losing lots and lots and lots and lots of money.

  21. realminkey says:

    I’d like to see Camille and Fauxdra do lunch. HAH!

  22. TrueLifeDiva says:

    I agree with the poster upthread who mentioned we ALL know people like these women. I once had a co-worker whose mother had chosen to decline treatment when her breast cancer came back a 3rd time. She was given less than a year to live and my co-worker thought this was a good time to get breast implants! To say I was appalled is an understatement. She came to work the day after getting her implants and cried out in pain everytime she lifted her arms. I was so disgusted with her I laughed out loud. She never did make the connection.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Camielle should stop worrying about carrying a cancer gene and start worrying about the cancer in her soul…..

    • Kat says:

      I worked with two women and we were all friends. We were young. One of the women had a brother and he went out with the other woman. The brother committed suicide. The woman that went out with him calls the other woman right after the death and proceeds to say she had been pregnant with the brother’s child but had an abortion.
      Good grief. I still don’t understand that.

  23. error404 says:

    I agree with ever said Bravo is giving poor Camille the edit treatment. It’s obvious to me that what she actually said was “3,500 sf is too small for my family, my staff, and the 3,500 homeless people I’ve given shelter to for free.” but they just edited the last part out to make her look bad.

    Likewise, I think she said in her talking head “Kyle lost her cool scarf, so I paid for a new one. I was afraid it wouldn’t be able to find one just like it, but I kept my composure and I wondered aloud how NY could be so cold this time of year. Then Kyle lost her phone.” but eveil Bravo edited it down to just “Kyle lost her cool. I kept my composure and I won. Kyle lost.”which is not what she meant at all! Bravo’s evil!

  24. zoekayla says:

    re-posted from last blog…just missed the changeover as I was composing my post 🙂
    Good morning, everyone! I am home today recovering from some bad food last night. I enjoyed catching up (as always). Kat, you said the funniest thing the other day – you said, “what a load of Zarin!” Funny!!
    So, answering the question of when I found y’all, I go back to the hubpages. Like many others I found my way here through Jill/Susan’s bogus review on Amazon. You know, I find it hugely ironic that Jill actually sent many of us here! I’ll bet she regrets mentioning the blog.
    Loved the fortune cookie. I agree that there is a certain tone to troll-text.
    I enjoy reading posts from the regulars, and I especially appreciate how the lurkers have come out to play yesterday and today. Welcome to all of you (even thought it is Lynn’s blog, we all feel so at home we feel like co-hosts in greeting and supporting new contributors). Real City HW and Stoopid HW, I also enjoy reading your blogs. Thanks so much to Lynn for keeping things so open here. So unlike insecure Camille. I see a really odd, almost pathological glint in her eye when she is asking questions in her little girl voice. It actually changes into what I think she calls innocence mode, but the “act” never reaches her eyes. I have seen that same phenomenon in other celebrities eyes. Sort of a cold calculation…
    Anyway, I am going shopping in a bit – I have to find something sort of dressy to wear to a “do” Monday night, but I will check in later to see how the day goes in IHJZ land.
    ((((HUGS)))) to all!

  25. KellitaM says:

    I’m not defending Camille, but I wonder if, when Kyle said, “Don’t be insecure,” that came off to Camille as presumptuous, patronizing and insulting. I like Kyle a lot. She’s probably my favorite on the show. And I think her heart was in the right place and she was truly trying to reconcile. But maybe “Don’t be insecure” wasn’t the best choice of words. But who knows? Camille does seem like a drama queen, and it’s possible that anything that Camille said would have been interpreted by her as negative.

    I like Kim. She just seems sad and lonely. I want to fly out to Cali and be her friend.

    There’s something “off” about Taylor to me. I am wondering, as a few people speculated, if she helped to stir the pot with Camille. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    • KellitaM says:

      *Meant anything that Kyle said would be have been interpreted by Camille as negative. (oops)

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I’m betting Kyle says “don’t be insecure” to her sister alot. I’m also doubting she meant it as a dig to Camielle either – but more as a don’t be silly dismissive of a situation that clearly wasn’t anything to get jacked up over. Camielle on the other hand saw this as an opportunity to play her “I’m not in Kelsey’s shadow” card yet again……this time I think it is backfiring bigtime.

      • nathania says:

        I think Kyle is used to getting away with an awful lot with Kim. And I think she ought to understand how someone might find that an offensive statement. But whereas Kim is so beaten down and passive, Camille is downright crayzee and she’s going to teach Kyle a lesson of epic proportions. I think there is something weird that happened at that prior dinner with Camille/Kim, where Camille picked up on Kyle’s habit of throwing digs at Kim. Camille at root feels like a victim for whatever reason and seeing Kim being victimized she spoke up and praised her for raising her children alone. And in her twisted little mind, she then, I think, started formulating her plans to ‘get’ Kyle. This is the typical borderline ‘search and destroy’ mission that you encounter when you piss off someone this unstable and insecure. I think Kyle is so frank and intelligent she is used to just barreling right over people and leaving them speechless or without retort. I know Camille is nuts but it might be time for Kyle to rethink this tactic anyway, because when she does it to Kim it comes off like she’s kicking a puppy…it just makes her look like a big jerk.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      I think in a way they all put the word “insecure” into Kyle’s mouth, figuratively speaking. I also think it may be why Kim feels a little guilty (that and whatever happened during those 20 minutes between the making up and the dinner table). Kim relays a perfectly suited story in her talking head equating back to being a child star. I rolled my eyes when she began, but then realized she was making a good point and a sympathetic one to Camille. She stated a friend of her’s said it was hard being a friend to a public figure and she equated it to how Camille must feel living in Kelsey’s shadow. (paraphrasing) I don’t know if we all were shown everything that was said at the airport but I think we saw a consensus among the women that Camille is insecure. They all said Camille is insecure or am I misremembering.

      Later when Camille and Kyle are having their behind closed door meeting Camille says something that almost sounds like she’s admitting she’s insecure. I am paraphrasing again because I don’t have the tape, yet 😉 and Kyle says you don’t have to be insecure.

      I’m with Kyle on this one because I believe she thought she heard Camille state she was feeling insecure, something they all had been discussing earlier in the day. I truly believe she was trying to be comforting to Camille. Kyle had ulterior reasons not to have a fight going on between her and Camille. Her husband does business with them. So why would she intentionally try to hurt Camille’s feelings.

      I can understand Camille not wanting to have someone tell her she is being insecure but I think Camille has Kelly Bensimone Hearing Syndrome. She hears things and adds her own words and implications that suit her.

      • Shane says:

        Yep. Camille said she was shy or uncomfortable or something like that.

        • quincyil says:

          I looked at the recording. Camille used the excuse that she was painfully shy. Then, Kyle said you don’t have to be insecure…

        • Zoey says:

          Yes, Camille said she was shy; very, very shy. She then said either she didn’t fit in with the women in the other room or didn’t feel comfortable around them, or something to that effect. Because she is very, very shy. Very shy.
          Right. Everyone who flashes their butt crack to the world is shy.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I think things have to be taken into context, Camille said she doesn’t like calling people because she feels like she was “imposing”, I think Kylie was responding to that remark.

      Camille really makes me sick, the whole scene at the restaurant when she was saying how she ‘won’ because she kept her cool made me laugh. The difference between her and let’s say “Danielle” who kept her cool during the sit down with Caroline- is that even though Danielle raise her voice but she was attentive and mentally present and showed in her responses to Caroline.

      Camille just whispers bullshit- then retreats into a world of leprechauns, satchels of gold and lollipops while the other person is talking/responding- then goes back to whispering bullshit.

      It was much more like the Kelly(Camille) vs Bethany (Kylie).

      • Bosandi says:

        You’re right; Camille seemed to be speaking through some drug-induced haze or from some far away theatrical script (that Kelly wrote). I don’t know if I’d compare her to Danielle. I think Danielle really wanted to fit in at first. When they rejected her that’s when she turned diabolic. Camille seems to make little effort to be friends with the ladies. She goes out of her way to show how superior she is to them.

        I guess California really is la la land. She killed me when she said a few episodes ago that women have so much work to do but she has like 30% more work than other women. LOL!

        Whoever said Camille needs vitamins – I’ll spring for the shipping!

  26. simpy cyn says:

    I posted a couple weeks ago a tweet to Camille about the “Karma” remark with the baby. She immediately replied “I didn’t say that”…and then deleted it.

    • quincyil says:

      Well, we have observed her to be completely truthful so far so we have to believe her on this. (sarcasm)

  27. WindyCityWondering says:

    Thanks Lynn for the WWHL blog. Didn’t enjoy last night’s show either. Andy seems to get further and further away from the wit and whimsy he started out with and is just plain unlikeable now. He either has great guests or so so guests. WWHL used to be the perfect topping on a RH episode….not so much anymore.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I couldn’t watch WWHL because just looking at the previews it looked like Andy was being an obnoxious drunk (again).

  28. Adgirl says:

    Camille = Danielle.
    Narcissistic, delusional and potentionally evil.
    First clue is neither has any girlfriends. Why? Because they hate other women. They view other women as competition and have to dominate them.
    They are both over the top with the sexy come ons.
    They both lack empathy.

    Run from the crazy!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I agree with everything you said, but I think Danielle has a lot more stones than Camille. I think if Camille found herself broke and penniless, she would down a bottle of pills. She has NO clue how to even to begin to function in the real world.

  29. nepenthe says:

    Lisa’s my fav because she’s the only “real” person on the show….she has NOTHING to prove as she and hubby have MADE IT! They have money, status,social position and as such they DO NOT have to be posers. The posers are Taylor and her hubby whom I predict will turn out to be the BEV HILLS version of SALAHIs…..not in terms of being scam artists but in that they’ll be divorced by Season 2.

    That being said I have a question for all…….Lisa’s hubby said he married her 28 years ago when she was all of 21 years old. NOW, as good as Lisa looks there’s NO WAY she’s “only 49”. She ‘s 55 if she’s a day! Bueller…..Buellar??

    I also predict that Kim won’t be on next season. She’s boring, has no friends, no social life and is obviously living hand to mouth… she has no visible means of support other than the Housewives franchise and child support from a few baby-daddys. Meow.

  30. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    Just read Lisa’s blog. She says that something DID happen between the hotel suite (when Taylor and Camille were alone) and the restaurant and that in a future episode she gets to the bottom of what that was. Hmmmmmm……..
    Also, I did LOVE when Andy said last night that “Going Oklahoma on your ass” was “taking you out back and assaulting you with a chorus of Surry with the Fringe on Top.” I have to admit, I cracked up at that one.

    • Adgirl says:

      reminds me of the Sharper Image scene in Harry & Sally.

    • Bosandi says:

      I think Taylor did stir the pot with Camille. Did anyone catch the comment she made justifying that absurd birthday party? She said something like – I love lavishing my daughter with things instead of doing things for myself… Lisa would probably buy a pair of shoes for herself.

      I think we can all agree that obscene party was ALL about Taylor – not her daughter.

  31. Adgirl says:

    Camille hates other women. “I win, she loses”.

    Notice Camille is fighting with the cast member most people find the best looking???

    Camille is JEALOUS and has to dominate the female she thinks is her competition for male attention.

    • MoDee says:

      Exactly on the mark IMO! That snake has been slithering around in that skin for awhile. You’re right, she is taking out the competition. I have a feeling that since Mauricio does business with them, that he was fair game for her flirtations, and he’s not taking the bait. I don’t know if anybody noticed this, but at her dinner, Camille told Nick’s wife that she wanted Nick to sit by her so they could flirt…Come on now, who does that to a supposed “friend”? She wouldn’t have got away with that if it had been my husband (and I’ve been married 27 yrs.) Something’s goin on there!
      Also, Kyle told her “Don’t be insecure” when they captioned the words at the restaurant (sp.) Camille said “You’re so insecure” . She is stirring the Sh!t big time. If she tried that on Lisa or Adrianne, she knows they would crush her, and let’s face it what would she have to gain by going after Taylor or Kim?
      Another thing, then I’ll shut up. I had to laugh when Camille greeted Kelsey with a kiss and he wiped his mouth afterwards…Awwww good times.

  32. Nappykink says:

    I wonder if Kelsey is just a few steps ahead of the rest of us. What if prodding Camille to do the show was a set-up so that he could leave her for his mistress? He mentioned last night that he’s known her for 13 years unlike anyone else. Do you think he knew how she would come across on the show and basically ‘let Camille speak for herself’?

    • Adgirl says:

      Excellent point you have there!

    • quincyil says:

      I think accepting the NYC gig was a way of leaving too.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kelsey doesn’t come off as liking Camielle in the two times he has been on the show. He is an actor and that is saying alot when he can’t even pretend to care about his wife!

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        I definately picked up a vibe that said he was SUPER uncomfortable with her touching him and kissing him on camera. Maybe he didn’t want the new girlfriend to see that? When she was stroking his face and commenting on his sideburns he practically leaned out of the shot to avoid her hands!

        • quincyil says:

          If you can do a play back… First he turns his head away and kisses Camille on the right cheek. The she kisses again and gets his lips… He actually touched his lips as if wiping it off.

          • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

            Yeah, I wonder how far his relationship with his girlfriend had gone at that point. It seemed like a combination of his lack of affection for Camille and the thought in the back of his mind that he did not want his girlfriend to be ticked off when she saw the shows eventually. He was done at that point, and just hadn’t told Camille it was over yet. And I do agree that his talking heads don’t defend her in any way shape or form. But don’t they do those months after filming–so wouldn’t he have been seperated from her officially by then?

            • quincyil says:

              She does look lovingly at him when he is playing with the kids, and she said something about being in bed when she was talking about the side burns. I don’t know if she suspected something or not, but she was acting for the camera.

    • Nappykink says:

      What I am trying to say is that Kelsey has remained very mum on the split from Camille. There was an article in people mag that gave camille’s version of the split. I think that Kelsey knew that people would automatically take her side after being ‘blindsided’ by the split. But I think that Kelsey, being the thespian that he is understands the human psyche maybe a little deeper than most people. I think he knew that Camille would come off as bat-shit crazy on the show. Then Joe public would realize what he was dealing with and become much more understanding of his decision to leave Camille, and much more forgiving of his transgressions. In that people mag article, Camille says that Kelsey won’t even talk to her. Even I can understand that after last nights showdown at Serafina. Between Kyle and Camille. I know I don’t have the energy to verbally spar with someone who doesn’t listen and who manipulates words to their favor.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        interesting…
        So RW became the vehicle to show Camille as bat shit crazy.

        Reality TV as a divorce tool.

      • cusi77 says:

        That’s it! During the last weeks since the RHoBH started if I found a movie or a program with Kelsey Grammer I avoided it… After last night episode, I feel sorry for him… and questioning how he could be for 13 years with that self-centered non-brained woman. He knew better letting her being “her own person”!

      • BessiB says:

        It kind of worked. At first glance, you have actor leaves wife for 29 year old stewardess. (BOO) Then rack up all of Camille’s traits, take a second look at the girl-friend – no make up, no surgical alterations, schlepping around NYC in comfortable clothes with her boyfriend – then you can actually get to the point of empathy. (MEH)

    • JazzNightOut says:

      He didn’t say he knew her for 13 years and she is a wonderful person; he said he knew for 13 years. I kept waiting for the compliment, but it never came.

    • Imseasquared says:

      I was going to suggest that very thing. But taking it one step further, having known the type of woman Camille really is, I think Kelsey pushed her to do the show so that she would implode in front of all of America and thus garner him some sympathy and get people to forget that he was cheating on her the whole time.

      • TLM says:

        I tend to agree. When he said it was time for Camille to grab some of the spotlight, what he was really saying was, “I think it’s time America saw what I’ve been putting up with for the last 13 years.”

  33. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    My second thought about the whole “Go Oklahoma” thing is that Taylor is NOT the person I would choose to have my back in a physical fight. Good Lord, one hard pop to those silicone inflated tire tubes on her face would swell them up over her eyes and she would be BLIND!

  34. Mary T says:

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why Kyle would be the favorite of anyone…she is just as fake and phoney as the rest of them….I get so tired of seeing her throw her head of hair around & why, if she didn’t say what Camille is accusing her of, is she getting so mad? She is protesting altogether too much!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I’d bet Kyle has watched the other shows and isn’t happy that she is the one getting set up for the bad girl fight scene!

  35. AZ Girl says:

    “Taylor” is morphing in to “Oklahoma” slowly but surely we have another “moniker” from Lynn’s family.

  36. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Here goes nothing…

    Kyle and Camille are both master manipulators. Both use their wiles and cunning to get what they want. Kyle, of course, is smarter than Camille, using quick wit and denial to gain supporters. Camille, though, uses the bewildered hurt card in order to gain sympathy.

    I am sure Camille did misunderstand Kyle’s words. She felt “interrogated” by all the questions and Kyle admitted to commenting about vacationing without Kelsey. Could it have been the Hawaii charity event that led to the comment? Who knows.

    The power play between Camille and Kyle, comes from the business relationship with Mauricio and the Grammers. THAT was the reason Kyle had to apologize. I doubt she would’ve have bothered had that not been the case. Multi million dollar properties result in six figure commisions. Being, ASKED to apologize, Kyle did so but couldn’t help but jibe Camille by adding the insecure comment. Camille, deep in her role of “accepting” Kyle’s apology, didn’t immediately catch the insult. When she did it led to round 3.

    Round 3 showed a calm Camille rehashing the original comments, adding the insecure jibe to a stunned table, and Kyle responded in a heated manner further insulting Camille. Camille thought she won, but they both lost. Camille came off as a whiny pain in the ass, who keeps looking for veiled insults and Kyle came off as a quick tempered bully. But the elephant in that fight was MONEY. Camille has more, Kyle’s husband has worked for the Grammers and Kyle, after apologizing, refused to kiss ass again.

    • justanothermary says:

      Exactly!! This is the way I’ve been feeling about them both since the first week. I know people like each of them and want neither in my life. Thank you for expressing my thoughts since my addled brain would never have been able to put that together.

    • TLM says:

      I don’t get the impression Kyle is manipulating anyone. If anything, she took a chance on losing business for her husband in order to stand up to Camille and not put up with Camille’s trying to smear her for something she didn’t say. Camille is so insecure about Kelsey that I don’t doubt when Kyle asked her, “Is Kelsey joining you?” Camille heard, “No one will care about you if Kelsey isn’t there.” I agree with Kyle that Camille needs therapy. I don’t think Kyle “lost” in that instance. I respected her for not putting up with Camille’s BS.

      I get the impression that Kyle is upfront. Camille, on the other hand, seems very contrived and phony to me. She seems to think she has everyone fooled and is being so subtle with her faux Marilyn Monroe persona, but she’s about as subtle as a red sequined dress. I don’t know who can stand her constant “woe is me” complaining when she has more luxuries than most people will ever have or know of, and it is obnoxious. Kyle acknowledges she is well off and grateful for it, and I don’t see her complaining about how put upon she is for having to take care of her children or anything else. I also don’t see Kyle throwing herself at any available man around. I do not see these women as similar at all.

      • American Idiot says:

        I agree with everything you wrote here, TLM. In a way, I see some of Bethenny in Kyle. Both tried in vain to get through to their detractors, but to no avail. Remember Bethenny in the bedroom with Kelly. After beating your head against a brick wall for so long, you lose your cool. I think that is what happened to Kyle. How many different ways can you say “I never said that”, without getting frustrated.

        I’m a big Kyle (and Bethenny fan) and really dislike Camille, and Kelly, well there are no words.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          I agree. Kyle talked over Camille a lot – and never let her explain how she felt. Which led Camille – who is less aggressive – to retreat and then get more mad.

          When Kyle mentioned she called – and Camille said she didn’t get the call – Kyle quickly mentioned that she always calls – meaning she didn’t call after the incident – she just has called in the past, and expected Camille to call this time. Well to me that means neither tried to make up until the trip.

    • Bosandi says:

      I like Kyle but here’s my fear – I liked Jill in season 1 too.

      There are some indicators that she could be a real witch and she could have some of her own insecurities as well. She’s mentioned at least 2x about feeling fat or that being a size 2 is fat in BH. She was angry with Kim being late for the party when Kim told her long before about moving into her new house.

  37. ilovelynn says:

    I just stumbled onto another site(I have no life!): tvtime101.com and that blogger said camille’s mother has a basal cell cancer for the second time. certainly something that needs to be taken care of, but the blogger, who has gone through breast cancer, chemo, etc. was upset that camille was intimating her mother’s problem was more serious than it really is. drama. anyway, check out the blog, it’s very interesting.

    • American Idiot says:

      That’s really interesting. I will check it out. I thought Camille mentioned the BRAC I or II gene, which I always assumed was the breast cancer gene.

      • quincyil says:

        I did too… I think she said something about mutated… I think Camille must have precancerous cells.

      • JazzNightOut says:

        I thought the same thing, AI. I have had breast cancer twice (both caught very early and prognosis good). My sister had uterine cancer so I had the BRAC I and II tests for my granddaughter’s sake. I don’t have the gene. I know Camille said she had the BRAC tests and did test positive for the gene so unless she was lying about that (what a concept), it seems to me her mom’s cancer is more than basal cell carcinoma. Her mom was having treatment.

        • MoDee says:

          I think I heard that her mom is doing the topical chemo which is lucky if they caught this very early 2nd time around. A friend of mine had breast cancer, had a double mastectomy and had her sister and 2 daughters tested for the gene, it came back positive for it so all 3 of them are electing to have double mastectomys and breast reconstruction. I wonder if Camille has thought about that possibility.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      That’s cool, I just posted that site on the Blogspot blog, that is @imajustsayin ‘s blog – she’s hysterical on Twitter! 🙂

    • floridagirl88 says:

      I just checked that site, tvtime101.com and that was an enlightening lesson about cancer. So Camille’s mother has skin cancer, the most curable of cancers and Camille is going on about BRAC1 and breast cancer? Very interesting. Poor Camille, what a disgusting person she is turning out to be.

  38. Dre says:

    I caught that little exchange between Camille and her mom as well. Her mom had this great positive attitude about having cancer, and then Camille goes off complaining about jet lag. I was just sitting there like, “really?” More than anything else she has said and done on the show, that small moment between Camille and her mother was what really showed what kind of person Camille is.

    Also, people who say they’re “above” things, are usually the shit-stirrers right in the middle of everything.

  39. TEB says:

    I like Kyle- but I can see where other people might not get her. I have a sister and we have a similar love/hate/fight/hug relationship. I think that is why I can like her because I can relate to she and Kim’s style. I have found my friends who do not like her don’t have a sister (or that type relationship with their sister). I will be interested to see Kim stand up for Kyle next week.

  40. elisa says:

    Hi,
    I’m new to post, but have been reading Lynn’s blogs for a bit and love all the HW shows. I have two thoughts on Camille to add:
    1. When Camille was talking to her mom about cancer, first I thought she was amazingly selfish. But then I thought, ‘wait, she’s going to move on from her fears for herself to her fears for her kids (genetically), and that will redeem her a little.’ But…no. Unless it was edited out. But if it were, surely she’d write that in her blog to defend herself. I’ts not there.
    2. I realized that more than anyone, she reminds me of Phil Harman’s wife. A beautiful, attention-starved wannabe actress/dancer/somehow famous who, when rejected, was lethal. Scary.

  41. WindyCityWondering says:

    It struck me while watching the dinner scene last night that the editing seemed choppy with too many “cut to horrified faces” and not enough dialog. Will have to watch it again but it felt like it took too much effort to get to a “fight” scene. IMHO!

  42. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    RHONY cast will be in Morrocco. This is going to be filmed by Bravo. Scary Island Part II??
    **************************************************************************

    First it was Carrie Bradshaw, now the Real Housewives of New York are swapping Manhattan for Morocco.

    Leaving New York City behind, Kelly Bensimon, Jill Zarin and Countess LuAnn de Lesseps were all spotted by our spies at JFK Airport on Thursday, checking in at the Air Moroc counter.

    “We were so excited to see the Housewives, they didn’t all come together though, we saw them arrive separately checking in at the Air Moroc check in,” one eyewitness told RadarOnline.com.

    “We overheard a fan say she was excited because she was on the same plane as them headed for Morocco.”

    In keeping with the Muslim country’s more modest dress code, we’re told the Housewives will swap their mini-skirts and strappy tops for more traditional and full-length clothing.

    Producers have remained tight-lipped about the plotlines and what exactly brings the New York women to Morocco.

    But we’re told fellow stars Alex McCord, Ramona Singer, Sonja Morgan and new co-star, Cindy Barshop, are also expected to travel to the Arab nation.

    The Housewives follow in the stiletto footsteps of their Sex & The City counterparts, who traveled to the the bustling centre of Marrakech, Morocco, to film the sequel to the box office smash hit.

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/11/exclusive-real-housewives-morocco-new-york-stars-go-exotic

    • quincyil says:

      I look forward to the ladies in modest clothing. Will Jill ride a camel and fall off? Will they live in a fabulous suite with individual male attendants? Will they have problems with conservative natives? Stay tuned for the television version of “Sex in the City 2.”

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Oh jeez…..Jill’s kvetching and Kiki’s lunacy going international? I hope the US embassy has been advised those two loons are on the loose. The Countess will probably expound on the proper etiquette for eating goats eyes or something like that. Alex and Sonja (if she hasn’t had a few) can probably be counted on to notify the proper diplomatic authorities and make arrangements for bail or rescue if needed.

      Anyone remember an Ab Fab episode when Patsy & Edina went to Marrakech, Morocco?

  43. klmh says:

    This is bond to make you smile:

    News From The Manitoba Herald, Canada
    “Reported” by Clive Runnels
    The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop the illegal immigration. The recent actions of the Tea Party are prompting an exodus among left-leaning citizens who fear they’ll soon be required to hunt, pray, and to agree with Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck.
    Canadian border farmers say it’s not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, animal-rights activists and Unitarians crossing their fields at night.
    “I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn,” said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose acreage borders North Dakota. The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry. He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken. When I said I didn’t have any, he left before I even got a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?”
    In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences, but the liberals scaled them. He then installed loudspeakers that blared Rush Limbaugh across the fields. “Not real effective,” he said. “The liberals still got through and Rush annoyed the cows so much that they wouldn’t give any milk.”
    Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons and drive them across the border where they are simply left to fend for themselves.” A lot of these people are not prepared for our rugged conditions,” an Ontario border patrolman said. “I found one carload without a single bottle of imported drinking water. They did have a nice little Napa Valley Cabernet, though.”
    When liberals are caught, they’re sent back across the border, often wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumours have been circulating about plans being made to build re-education camps where liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR races.
    In recent days, liberals have turned to ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have been disguised as senior citizens taking a bus trip to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching half a dozen young vegans in powdered wig disguises, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior citizens about Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney to prove that they were alive in the ’50s. ” If they can’t identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we become very suspicious about their age.” an official said.
    Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating an organic-broccoli shortage and are renting all the Michael Moore movies.
    “I really feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can’t support them.” an Ottawa resident said. “How many art-history majors does one country need?”

    • klmh says:

      Oops, bound, not bond

      • Dani says:

        This is too funny, I sent it on to all my conservative friends. I know they will enjoy it.

        • klmh says:

          Im a bit of a tree hugging liberal, but got a bang out it as well. I hope no one took offense, its just a well written comical piece both parties would enjoy. My list of conservative and liberal friends on my email list thought so, so I thought it would be well received here as well. Lots of smart folks here…

  44. Dani says:

    I have to say that I really like Kyle and I felt sorry for her last night at dinner when Camille went off. Kyle thought all was well and good when she left to get ready for dinner with the ladies. At dinner Camille is all over her for a statement that she made while apologizing to her. I think that in order for Kim to get in with Taylor that she said something to Taylor on the flight about Kyle and the fight with Camille. As sister’s Kyle probably told Kim what she really thought of Camille and Kim used that inside information to bond with Taylor. Taylor used the information from Kim to get in good with Camille. So basically Kim gave her sister up. Wow, I truly thought with all their money they would not play the same games as the other housewives. Guess I was wrong!!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I too think Kim will have some explaining to do…..

    • klmh says:

      Sounds like its going to be the argument from hell that will go on and on, from Andy C. remark last night.

    • quincyil says:

      OK, women have done this around me too. We are just blabber mouths. You think you can convide your frustration to a friend and it comes back to bite you in the rear. I think it’s worse for Kim to have done that to her sister than it was for her sister to have asked questions about a stupid vacation or to tell someone, “Don’t be insecure.” Lisa was right. “This is a bloody tempest in a teapot.”

      • Dani says:

        I agree, I think it would be terrible of Kim to tell Taylor what her sister said to her in confidence. However, I think Kim needs a story line and this could be it.

      • klmh says:

        The jealousy in that family is tearing them apart. This to me is the saddest relationship damage in all the housewives series.

  45. error404 says:

    http://tvtime101.com/2010/11/12/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-recap/#more-892

    Ok, 1 the plan was interesting, and although I know developers in NYC play games with net sf vs gross, etc… looking a the the 6 room, 4 bath apt, I’d have to say La Camille was right the first time, this looks 3,500 sf to me, not 2,000.

    It’s also very interesting to hear a cancer survivors take on it. I actually did walk away from the episode thinking La Camille had a real risk of breast concern, but to hear that it’s all Micahele S type MSBS doesn’t surprise me.

    My dad had prostate cancer, and I get checked regularly, but holy toledo, even when thinking it was a serious risk I was also thinking La Camille is a total hypocondriac.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Was really getting into the blog and it stopped short of dinner! Great writing. Thanks for the link!

    • klmh says:

      Im still trying to figure out why she seems to be so tired all the time. I don’t know how badly she has IBS but could a restrictive diet without proteins and fats do this especially if she has an eating disorder? She seemed to poop out pretty quickly after some exercise on the surf board, but I have never done that. Maybe its really a lot of work.
      She also may be clinically depressed.

  46. Jen says:

    I honestly don’t think Kelsy Grammer cares at all how he comes off in split- he just does what he wants……

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      agreed – he is the one who split, hooked up, got someone else preggers! IMHO. Kelsey and Camielle deserve each other because they are both shits!

    • realminkey says:

      He had a decades-long history of being a philandering bimbo-loving rich guy. She’s a gold-digging bimbo. They got married. Nuff said.

      Those poor kids.

  47. Wall St Lady says:

    Nov
    1 Noelle
    2 Scprpoisue
    14 Debbie
    20 Nancy
    21 Michele
    22 realminkey
    24 jazznightOut
    28 Canada
    30 kat

    Dec
    5 Buffywood
    10 tuzentswarth
    24 KirksvilleMo
    26 JustAnotherMary
    29 Rabble Rouser

    Jan
    2 WaxDiva
    12 Cakers
    16 Lillybel
    24 Kirks Cyotte
    26 Jezzibel
    30 krone

    Feb
    04 Free Ginger
    14 AdGirl
    16 Quincy

    March
    12 Waslurking
    13 Vilzvet
    25 Am Idiot

    April
    19 FelonyStupid
    21 Ione
    22 AZ
    24 Savannah111

    May
    29 WindyCity

    June
    11 TrueLifeDiva
    30 Cuci77

    July
    14 Pantry Viewer
    20 TT
    28 TEB & Zoekayla
    30 Diana & WSM

    Aug
    13 Tootsie
    16 Lynn Hudson
    24 shamrockblonde

    Sept.
    1 WSL. & Boston 2
    3 dreemz
    6 Sha200o
    7 ms molly
    8 FloridaGirl88
    11 jillz68
    14 One Mo Bo & Dickens
    21 Ellabean
    30 error404
    Oct
    14 Designing Deva
    25 25Stupid ButterisaFruit
    27 Zoey
    28 twoile
    Ok do I have to call u out by
    Name ?
    Ok just to name a few :
    KLMH
    HD
    cantstandthetoxicity
    American idiot
    Snarkell
    Justto makeyou laugh
    Nightlight
    Mickymouth
    TlM
    realminkey

  48. Wall St Bitch says:

    Hi Lisa !
    Bobby never herd of you
    So I gave him
    Your number.

    Now the rest of you
    Just tighten your corset and enjoy the barbecue. Each one of you has at least 2 beaus
    Who are fighting over which
    Will get your desert. (But remember Mammy said young ladies aught to eat like birds in public to avoid looking like a
    field hand.

    And LynnFam ,
    You are
    one Hell of a Lady !
    (Error u r pretty special too)

  49. Wall St Lady says:

    TEB where should I make a reservation ? We could start the day having coffee from the Star bucks that is next to the Bed bath & Beyond that is under ill’s apt. They have benches there & its great people watching. Then we must photograph u w/U know who’s door man !

    What is TEB ? (Besides cool)

  50. klmh says:

    Was Camille’s mother wearing a wig? I thought she was probably going to chemo.
    If not she has great hair.

  51. realminkey says:

    When did Grammer buy that place in NYC? The reason I ask is, it surely doesn’t look like any of the other “family” places we’ve seen. It’s cold and sparce, and yes, by Camille’s standards, it’s small. And as someone else pointed out, it’s not very well decorated or furnished. Nothing to me said it’s ever been a home to anyone. Looks more like a landing pad for a wealthy bachelor. I don’t get any sense that it was purchased with a family in mind at all.

    • realminkey says:

      Just saying, I wonder if Camille looked into the master bedroom closet, whether she would have found any of his clothing.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Granted, I haven’t been paying attention. I thought Camille rented/leased that apt for a year while K was in the play? Or did she “makeover” an existing place Kelsey had? Sorry if everyone knows but me because I wasn’t really paying attention to the details of that place.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      In the beginning of the show when she brags on how many houses they have, I had the impression they’d had the NY apt for some time. Last night I thought she said or implied they bought it because he’d be in NY for the play. I’m now wondering if she makes everything a little vague and confusing on purpose. She has such a vague way of speaking. I’m confused when they bought it. Not that I care all that much!

      • American Idiot says:

        I’m confused also. In the first or second show, Camille said they owned a NYC apt. Last night I thought I heard her say they recently purchased they were in but maybe she meant they were leasing it for the year.

  52. Error404 says:

    Camille vs Kyle:

    Assuming the worst: that Kyle was probing Camille for dish on her vaca to see if her and Kelsey were having problems, and even went so far as to say Camille is just a trophy wife: so what? Seriously, so what? The Atlanta and nj girls say worse things to each other everyday and then kiss and hug. Camille can spin it as the worst thing since hitler invaded Poland, but even taking her side all one if left with is a self absorbed mess who can’t handle criticism.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I was thinking the same thing. If one, the other or both would just say “You’re right” or “I’m sorry we have misunderstood” and let it go, it would be nothing. It’s not really a big issue at all. You’ve got to WANT to be hurt to let something like this bother you enough to berate anyone.

    • Dani says:

      I agree with you Error404, maybe what upset Camille the most (if Kyle did say it) was that she knew it was true.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      On a good day that is all one is left with. I fear the other days of the year are even worse…

    • American Idiot says:

      Camille hints in her blog she had a feeling that something was not right in her marriage. She could have been using the fight with Kyle as distraction, to keep everyone from seeing what was really going on.

      I know by the Tony awards Camille says onscreen their marriage is a farce; its in the preview clips, but does anyone know – does Camille find out about Kelsey’s affair during actual filming – as in will we actually see her find out on screen or was it after filming was completed.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      LOL error, you slay me

  53. Wall St Lady says:

    Barney’s ?
    If it is like Saks or Bergdorf’s
    Restaurant ,they don’t have windows or a view. Food may be pretty but overpriced. I don’t mind overpriced if I get fab atmosphere or breathtaking views I have several restaurants that have tables outside when the weather allows & most r french. The food is fresh & delicious made by chefs vs department stores that to me serve food brought in freshly packaged each day.
    Blarneys may have a chef & windows. I haven’t made it past the 1st floor. But I am a regular & a fan of the ones I mentioned plus Bloomingdales.

    Does anyone like Lilly Pulitzer ?
    I bought my 1st one in 1968. Saks has a department that has sales 75% off !

    • TEB says:

      I’ve never been to Fred’s at Barney’s but my NYC friend says its good people watching. I will be happy to have you show me around! We can have a Lynn Fam gathering of people watching and snarking.

    • quincyil says:

      Never heard of her, but if you like her and it’s on sale, go for it!

    • TEB says:

      And my daughter has a Lilly Pulitzer dress (that I bought at Marshalls. So excited)

    • twoile says:

      WSL U r fantastic 2 keep up this b’day listing, sorry 2 b a bother my b’day is in August NOT Oct

    • realminkey says:

      I’ve loved Lilly P since 5th grade. I went to this little private school, and my grammer teacher Mrs. Campbell wore one every day. She had dozens of them in all those wonderful colors and floral patterns. She wore them really well, too. Mrs. C. obviously had some ca$h.

    • AZ Girl says:

      My mom used to buy me “Lilly’s” when I was little. I hated the feel of the stiff fabric. Loved the colors though.

  54. quincyil says:

    Lynn mentioned the size 2 to 4 comment from Kyle. She doesn’t look heavy to me at all, but she is self conscious about her body, hiding it in a smock at the pool in Vegas and wearing loose blouses all of the time. I think she just needs to exercise after that later in life baby. I bet she was in great shape a couple of years ago.

  55. Zipit Zarin says:

    MickeyMouth, I haven’t finished reading all the posts but when you were talking about Sarah Bernhardt I thought of Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard. “I’m ready for my close-up Mr. DeMille.” She has that crazy face that Camille does. It could work! 😀

  56. LynnNChicago says:

    http://lynnnchicago.blogspot.com/

    Watch What Happens Live Blog

    Thanks for all of the support everyone! :)xoxox

  57. Zipit Zarin says:

    Does it matter how many times you click an ad? I mean, does it know I don’t buy anything? lol

  58. TEB says:

    Toddler bath time. BBL

  59. LynnNChicago says:

    The Real Housewives of New York are off to film in Moroco – Cute how Alex and Simon miss each other already…

    @SimonvanKempen: @McCordAlex left 4the arpt Feels like an ep of #WifeSwap &they’ve forgotten 2send her 1wk replacment!

  60. Zipit Zarin says:

    Lynn, I’m with you about not watching WWHL. What did those men have to do with the HWs? I thought it was originally set up to dish about behind the scenes stuff and a chance to ask the HW’s questions. I don’t know what it is now but it’s a huge snore. I really wish they’d get a ballsy comedian like Kathy Griffin to host that show and the Reunion shows. That would garner bazillion viewers and since its all about ratings, why the heck do they put this show on …it looks like Wayne’s World basement. If they are going for that theme then why not actually put some real dish out there. Andy is worthless. He’s so worried about not being impartial he’s impotent. Anyway, the show sux as it is now. Even the guests look bored.

    • TLM says:

      I agree. The supposed “clubhouse” decor isn’t working for me, and I find the games, trivia, etc uninteresting and a huge waste of time. Throw in the constant phone-ins from a 13-yr old boy and I have the mute button on half the time.

      It always seemed to me that WWHL was a self-serving vehicle for Andy to become a tv personality more than a tv executive. I do find that he fails to hold peoples’ feet to the fire in questioning them, and we don’t really get to see what we were hoping for.

      Speaking of bad ventures on Bravo, was The Art Show — was it called Work of Art? — canceled? (Dear God, I hope so).

  61. JKW says:

    Andy looked more plastered than usual last night. Wonder if Brad stole Demi as one of his clients.

  62. Dani says:

    Zipit Zarin, my all time favorite line about Andy ” He’s so worried about not being impartial he’s impotent.” Isn’t that the truth!

  63. sweet pea says:

    Camille is really getting slammed in the Bravo blog comments. Hope she reads them and knows how she came off to the viewers of the show. She “won” nothing but disdain.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      I saw that too.

      I have noticed in the past with the Bravo blog comments that usually when a character is unsympathetic they wait until closer to reunion time to show the more negative comments. Not this time.

      Methinks Camille has made some enemies at Bravo.

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        I think I read somewhere that Camille has been in contact with Bravo about how much she doesn’t like how she’s been portrayed. Boo hoo.

        • MickeyMouth says:

          Oh well complaining about editing never got any one of them anywhere.

          I also wonder if Camille might have been offering too many suggestions and opinions on how things should be done while filming. I know I don’t like being told how to do my job. Just a thought I keep having.

  64. MickeyMouth says:

    From Taylor’s blog:

    ” As Camille and I were freshening up after our long flight to NYC, I told her how odd I found Kim’s questioning of me in the airport. As soon as I said Kim had asked me if she was “insecure,” things went south. Unbeknownst to me, this was the last word Camille heard from Kyle before the ladies left my room.”

    Why would she repeat that conversation to Camille? I need to re-watch this episode. I think they’re all shit-stirrers, lol. Except Lisa and Adrienne; at least in this fight! 🙂

  65. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Wall st. Lady, I’m so mad at you right now! I was planning on having baked tilapia for dinner but now I’m thawing out chicken wings after reading your bbq reference.
    @Need a Hobby, you’re no help mentioning cornbread, potato salad, etc. Now I’ve got to figure out how to do this healthy. Baked bbq wings, cornbread muffins, steamed broccoli, and rice. With red koolaide 😀

    • JazzNightOut says:

      It’s the red koolaide which will make it healthy.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      LOL! Sorry TLD. I know how it is. Suddenly I was starving with visions of BBQ dancing in my head. I am in fact eating steamed broccoli right now, if it helps. 🙂

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      Try Vita Top corn bread tops. Pretty good, low in calories and high fiber. 1 pt. for Weight Watchers members.

  66. boston02127 says:

    Millionaire Matchmaker fires back at Chelsea

    Millionaire Matchmaker Patti Stanger is speaking out exclusively to Life & Style after her former staff member Chelsea Autumn questioned Patti’s matchmaking skills because she’s single. “I have been in relationships that last longer than marriages,” Patti tells Life & Style. “I can commit.”

    Chelsea also says that she met her current boyfriend randomly and not with Patti’s help. Wrong again, says Patti: “I just had to laugh. I did set her up with her boyfriend. He asked me out first, but I knew he needed someone younger and gave him Chelsea’s number. I later found out that he had no car and no home, and I warned Chelsea, but she didn’t listen. You would think that after eight years in the matchmaking business, she would have better judgment skills.”

    As for Chelsea’s claim that Patti’s right-hand team, Destin Pfaff and fiancée Rachel Federoff, joined Patti’s company only for the reality show? “Destin and Rachel have worked for me for years,” Patti says to Life & Style. “Destin was hired before we even had a pilot!”

    from Life&Style

  67. Zipit Zarin says:

    MickyMouth, about the first and last letter only needed…Freaky Deaky! And way cool yes!

  68. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @JazzNightOut, thank you for telling me that! I was worried I had it all wrong. I only have mint tea, lemonade, and red koolaide to drink. I’m happy to know I’m making sound nutritional choices 😉

  69. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @MickeyMouth, Wassup! 😉

    • KellitaM says:

      I think she seems really sweet. I hope we see more of her life and get more of an insight into her.

  70. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @MickeyMouth, watching pt2 of Oprah’s “200 men who were molested” episode while I’m waiting for my wings to thaw. Makes me want to hug the whole world. These HouseWives bitches don’t even know what problems are.

  71. boston02127 says:

    Did Camille wait for someone to answer the door when she got to her apartment in NY?

  72. Kat says:

    Looks like we’ll be able to make in a snowman in the morning. Cool.

    • boston02127 says:

      I luv it when it snows.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        I have a tradition. I always listen to Joni Mitchell’s song River on the first day of snow. I moved to Texas and luckily last year we had snow! Woot!

      • Imseasquared says:

        Boston, given you zip code and you’re loving snow comment I’m going to guess that you either a) don’t have a car or b) have a private driveway and don’t have to save your spot with a beach chair!

  73. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Kat, it will be 78 degrees where I live. 😉

  74. OneMoreInBoston says:

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    We wonder what they had to talk about!
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  75. Adgirl says:

    @ One More – I had my first chem peel today!! My skin looks better already!
    Even my husband who has been teasing me about this whole facial rejuv thing noticed!!

  76. ArizonaMagpie says:

    Sorry that I haven’t read the comments down to the end yet but I wanted to say Hi (I’m a many month lurker and only posted single sentences twice) and to say a kind word for girls who aren’t girls’ girls. Not all of us are after all the men in the room, but we do like to hang out with them. Totally unlike Camille who is on my “hate” list slightly ahead of Jill Zarin, Theresa and Danielle. I won’t say I hate Kelly cuz she is bat shit crazy (much worse than Danielle) but I really, really dislike her.

    I’m 62 now and that’s way my life has always been. I was always a tomboy but some of the other girls were too. But then puberty hit and I still hung out with the guys because we had the same interests…sports (tennis), science, math, etc.

    I am still learning how to apply makeup properly. I have never been comfortable or capable of talking about fashion, shoes, makeup, weddings, etc. I did have an early marriage and two wonderful sons but when the youngest was in school full time I went to university and took a 4 year electrical engineering degree because there was no way that marriage was going to last. University was the first place I ever felt comforable and with my “own kind” LOL. We even talked about that a few times with each other because we were all geeks and not awkward any more.

    So not all guy’s girl’s are out to get all the male attention. I just hang out with the guys because I worked in high tech engineering, then for General Motors so I like talking about computers, cars, trouble shooting computers, sports, etc. I am sure Camille doesn’t talk about these things. I don’t do video games or fantasy sports at all. I’d rather play tennis and still do 3 hrs a week.

    I had a great career and after 31 years of being single (with a 20+ year fiancee relationship with a mechanical engineer who I never did marry), I finally got married last year to a very young, 55 yo, mechanical engineering geek who had never really had a girl friend before either. It has its bumps but it will work out. I have to teach him ways of women.

    Anyway, this is too long and just I wanted to come out of lurking, say Hi and that I love this blog and I am here several times a day. I feel I know you all so well and feel comfortable around all of you. 🙂

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Well hello there, and welcome!

      Now, do you make inappropriate small talk about your perfect breasts to your friend’s husbands? That is, of course, in the world according to Camille, is the mark of a guy’s girl.

      Anyhoo, so you are a newlywed! Was it difficult for you to combine households after 31 years of singlehood? How did you meet your husband?

      Now I am a self proclaimed girly girl. Do you think there’s hope for me? Does your geeky husband have any friends for me? OMG I am so kidding right now!

    • boston02127 says:

      ArizonaMagpie—welcome 🙂

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Hi Magpie! I was a tomboy too but I’m a left-brainer. Or is it right-brained? Anywho, I can’t do math but say “I don’t DO math” like it’s a choice. LOL I love reading about quantum physics but only when someone explains it without all the formulas on a chalkboard stuff. I can still ride my bike with no hands “all the way to school”, played Army with the boys and built forts by Rapid Creek in the Black Hills of South Dakota. You sound very blessed to have found your mate in life. I shoulda waited until I was older. What a stupid choice I made. It was a ~~~~brilliant mistake~~~~~ (Elvis Costello reference) but when you are 20 and want to be all growed up …yadda yadda.

      Swanyway, glad you came out of lurkdom. This is so great all these new people to meet and greet 😀

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Welcome and thanks for sharing.

      I could say a lot about the difference between Camille’s description of not being a girl’s girl and yours, but I think @OneMoreInBoston summed it up best – “Do you make inappropriate small talk about your perfect breasts to your friend’s husbands?”

      Camille likes the attention of men and women are the competition.

    • nancy says:

      Welcome to the Lynn Family

    • Zoey says:

      Hi Magpie, nice to meet you! I enjoyed reading your thoughts, and I’m glad you’re here.

    • KellitaM says:

      Hello, Magpie. Welcome!

    • AZ Girl says:

      Welcome to Lynn’s family. This AZ Girl is from the Valley of the Sun.

  77. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Kat, I like the personal pics from celebs I’m a fan of. And sometimes you get to talk to them directly. I don’t bother with the stars I don’t like, just my favs 😀

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Like Ice-T? don’t think I forgot!

    • Kat says:

      Twitter seems so public. I’m a shy hermit type. But I can think of a few celebs I would like to follow. None are RHWs.
      This board has some very interesting people. Could be fun.

  78. emily says:

    I don’t think this has been posted,

    Reality Tea recap of last nights RHOBH – and they take Camille’s side!
    http://t.co/0eVwsNK

    basically they believe Kyle really said what Camille claims, whilst still calling C out on her despicable behavior.

  79. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @OneMoreinBoston, I saw on a hiphop blog this morning CoCo Tweeted a naked pic of herslf spread eagle across two wooden blocks to demonstrate her “flexibility”. That could never be me. She looked like a pig roasting on a rotisery. Yuck!

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      There’s something off there.

      When MTV or E! did that special on rap star wives, she had those big ol boobs but she did NOT have that ass. Do you think she had butt implants? or just gained weight?

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      That’s what I call SUBTLE!

  80. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @OMiB, I’m gonna say fat. Sometimes her gut is out of control. She wears a lot of corsets and EVERY outfit is 100% Spandex.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Well, TLD, I think this may be a new all time low for me. Spending my Fri nite debating whether Coco ‘s ass cheeks are implants or fat.
      But I thank you for gamely participating in my downward spiral.

      • Kat says:

        I’m joining you on your spiral.
        I’m tired but awake, and have been for far too many hours now.. 30+
        I’m getting silly tired. I don’t usually drink and I’ve cracked a tall boy. And I’m listening to Creed and the Fugees and Nickleback. Rockstar reminds me of the Real Housewives.
        Tangent over.

  81. OneMoreInBoston says:

    Well, evidently I am the only one lame enough to be here on a Friday night, so I think I’ll sign off.

    Nighty nite, don’t let the trollies bite!

  82. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @OMiB, let’s go to hell together 😉

    http://plixi.com/p/56318226

    She’s wearing a g-string, I couldn’t tell with all that ass.

  83. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @OMiB, I’m built like a 12yr old boy compared to that roboho! Wonder what that will look like once she hits 40? Sloppy sloppy!

  84. MickeyMouth says:

    I must go to bed now. Have a good night everyone. Get some sleep Kat 🙂

    Thanks for the great housewife snark.

  85. TrueLifeDiva says:

    Nightey nite MickeyMouth 🙂

  86. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @OMinB
    I went back and looked at the dominetrix pics. Corset with bikini hiding gut yet again. And why is she taking sexy pics with her “sister”. I once worked with a chick who took nasty lesbian/interracial love/S&M pics with her 1st COUSIN!!! She never picked them up and the photographer wanted ME to deliver them to her. BARF!

  87. Adgirl says:

    Hey Everybody!
    We are MISSING SOME GREAT STUFF!
    Must start reading the RHOBH Producers blog!!!

    Behold:

    ………………………

    BH Producers
    Working Overtime

    Our producer explains that we’ll never know what really happened with Kyle and Camille, and why he’s glad.Well, let the drama begin, right? It’s funny how things happen in life-–and on a reality show. The argument between Kyle and Camille really developed out of a perfect storm of events coming together. (And there’s way more to come in next week’s episode.)

    First off, let me address the original conversation in Las Vegas that caused all the subsequent drama. I keep getting the question-–why didn’t we show that conversation? And did we choose not to show it to try and influence the audience to side with either lady?

    The simple answer is that we didn’t show that Las Vegas conversation because we didn’t shoot it. Other than Big Brother, which I worked on as a producer in season 2 (the Evil Dr. Will year), no other reality show I’m aware of shoots 24/7. It’s just too cost prohibitive. So it was my decision to choose to not shoot on our travel day back to Los Angeles–-and that’s the day the Kyle-Camille dispute happened.

    Did I make the wrong choice? The obvious answer would be yes. But the more I’ve thought about it, the more I think it was the best possible thing to happen to us. Allow me to explain.

    Producing a reality show is definitely a marathon and not a sprint. As the showrunner, it’s my job to make sure that both the cast and crew know that I have their backs and I am going to look out for their best interests at all times. I cannot stress that point enough. We worked for two incredibly long days shooting from morning till late at night. I needed to reward the team by letting them have a little time off to relax. And when I say “team,” I’m including the cast in that. I knew I was better served by letting them have some time off. Again, my team, both cast and crew, has to develop a trust in me. Because down the line, there are always going to be tough times, and if there is no trust established–-things completely fall apart.

    Secondly, the Vegas trip was still pretty early in our shooting schedule. Anyone who has seen a Housewives show knows they thrive on conflict. And I very much got the sense that our cast was willing to go there if they felt a genuine conflict…but it was also clear to me that no one wanted to be the first one to do it. So the conflict that wound up happening off-camera between Kyle and Camille –-I one hundred percent believe it never would’ve happened if cameras were rolling. And since this feud winds up twisting and turning and basically scorching through the rest of our season, the producer in me is very glad it happened!

    And finally, I’m thrilled we didn’t shoot it because things get so intense in this feud I am certain Kyle and Camille would’ve come to me at a certain point and said, “Can we just see the video so we can end this one and for all?”

    But that option was never possible, because no video of it ever existed. So did Kyle say what Camille thinks she did? I honestly don’t know, because I was about fifty yards away when the incident happened. I didn’t hear it. Neither did Lisa, or Adrienne, or Taylor, or any of the husbands. The only three people who witnessed that conversation are Kyle, Camille and Kim. And like the classic Japanese movie Rashomon (wow-–never thought I’d reference a Japanese movie in this blog!), each of the three women remembers it differently. So who’s right? And here’s the beauty, at least for the show, we’ll never know! Which is precisely why Kyle and Camille get so worked up about this issue–they both feel the need to prove themselves correct.

    Producing a reality show requires lots of skills. Sometimes, you need to be a therapist. Sometimes, you need to be the organizer. And sometimes, you need to have a little ESP. Since Lisa, Kyle, Kim and Taylor flew to New York on our first day of shooting there, we thought they’d be tired and the shoot day would end in that hotel suite. But a funny thing happened. Kyle pulled Camille to the private bedroom to “clear the air,” which they presumably did. It was after 11 p.m. and the next night was Kelsey’s premiere, so we figured that would be the late night. Nope. After the “clearing the air” talk, the ladies all surprised us by deciding they wanted a cocktail and some late night dinner. Trouble was, our crew was scheduled to wrap. We didn’t have a restaurant cleared. And while all the ladies were smiling and happy, the little voice in the back of my head started talking to me.

    “This isn’t over. This is gonna blow. And it’s gonna blow big!”

    I convinced the ladies to go freshen up, which gave us approximately 15 minutes to find a restaurant that would allow us to film and set up a few lights, all the while convincing my Line Producer Dave Patry (who handles the budget) that I wasn’t crazy and this would be worth all the overtime we’d wrack up.

    Cut to fifteen minutes later. My ridiculously talented Senior Segment Producer Ken Schoech had somehow convinced a restaurant that was about to close to let us shoot there. My immensely talented Director of Photography Matt Valentine was doing his best to light an incredibly dark room. The ladies started arriving-–and just like the little voice in my head predicted-–the smiles had disappeared. Camille was angry, and so was Kyle. I literally used every person I could to try and keep the women separated. But once I realized we couldn’t stop the eruption from happening, I remember shouting on the walkie, “Stop lighting! We need to shoot! NOW!”

    Three hours of overtime later, we finished shooting one of the most intense and pivotal events of season one.

    Not that my work night was over. Far from it. But I think I will save the story of one of the strangest nights of my career for next week’s blog.

  88. Golden Girl says:

    Ok first off I do not like Camille but, I do find it interesting that the feud between her and Kyle was about Kelsey not being in Hawaii and anyone being interested in her without him well…. She explains in her last blog that she was there for a charity event called “Cheers 2010”. Makes me go hmmmmmm.

    • Golden Girl says:

      The “Cheers 2010 charity event” is a benefit to raise funds for the North Hawaii Community Hospital. They were able to raise over 1.3 million dollars during the event and bravo filmed it but decided not to air it. (Probably because Kelsey wasn’t there lol)

  89. housewifeaddict says:

    Camille wants all of Kelsey’s money?

    Somehow I’m not sure if the judge will agree to that, but oh well most delusional Camille. Embrace your crazy side!

    http://www.showbizspy.com/article/218258/camille-grammer-wants-all-of-kelseys-money.html

    “KELSEY Grammer’s estranged wife Camille is planning to squeeze every last dime out of the Frasier star — sources say.

    Insiders claim Camille wants to take Kelsey — whose new girlfriend, Kayte Walsh, recently suffered a miscarriage — to the cleaners financially, according to American tabloid the National Enquirer.

    “Let’s get this divorce over with — so I can get married again!” Kelsey allegedly told Cammile.

    Kelsey is said to have canceled his Thanksgiving plans with his children so he can spend the holiday with Kayte.

    “Kelsey’s new life with Kayte has taken priority over the kids,” the source said.

    “Now he wants to rush the divorce so he can marry Kayte.”

    Previous reports have claimed Kelsey’s divorce from Camille could cost him more than $71 million.

    “The split has been anything but amicable. Camille was devastated when she found out about the betrayal – even more so when she discovered her husband’s mistress was pregnant,” a source told Britain’s Daily Mirror newspaper.

    “Kelsey is in love with Kayte and simply wants to move on. But he’s bracing himself for a huge payout.”

    However, Camille — who owns half of the star’s Grammnet Productions television company — is said to be seeking the payout for revenge, rather than monetary reasons.

    “It’s not all about cash for Camille though as she’s extremely solvent in her own right,” said the source.

    “But she remains a woman scorned. Camille feels humiliated and wants Kelsey to apologize for his mistakes.”

    Camille married Kelsey in 1997, four years after Frasier — in which the actor played radio psychiatrist Frasier Crane — first aired.

    The former Playboy model — who has two children, Mason Olivia, eight, and Jude Gordan, five, with her estranged spouse — filed for divorce in July citing irreconcilable differences as the reason for the separation.

    According to reports, Camille — the actor’s third wife — is requesting joint legal custody and primary physical custody of the children, as well as spousal and child support.

    Kelsey is allegedly not offering spousal support and is requesting Camille receives none of his earnings from before the marriage.”

  90. klmh says:

    Several of us have kittehs, cats, and I think it was Boston 02127 that first posted the “I can has cheeseburgers” sites.
    I found this and thought the Land of Lynn readers might enjoy this:

  91. TrueLifeDiva says:

    Sitting down to a plate of bbq wings at last! It’s 8:05 pm but so what?!?!

  92. Wall St Lady says:

    realminkey I was just checking to see if u read my post. And for that get sweet dreams tonight in Lilly prints.

    I met Lilly in Palm Beach at her first store. When I am in Fla.
    90% of what I wear is Lilly. I buy it for WSM too.
    At first he refused to wear any thing but the “jams”(swim suits).
    One day To please me he wore Lilly pants that matched my dress but reluctantly.
    He had so many WOMEN come up to him & say they loved his pants that he thought this is not so bad. So I converted him & now he likes shorts too.
    I even have Jakie O shaped sunglasses in a Lilly print.
    A few years ago Lilly sold out & now she is still living in PB.

  93. ArizonaMagpie says:

    Thanks for the welcome.

    No, I don’t make inappropriate comments about my breasts to husbands of friends lol.

    I met my husband 5 years before we started seeing each other. We both belonged to the same social group we paid dues to join. There are several other engineers there.

    Once I twigged onto him I had to stalk him for 6 months before we started seeing each other. LOL A few years before he apparently made a pass (who could tell?) at me but I missed it.

    I may no longer have close relationships with women (the last 3 died of cancer.. one was the only sister-type relationship I ever had) and I just can’t chance it again. I am friendly with many women in the social group but keep my distance. Different interests too.

    However I like dressing well and love jewelry…and most important…I hate Jill Zarin.

    • Adgirl says:

      I’m married to a nerd too. Romance to him is letting me listen to his lectures on whether “green” energy creates enough units of energy vs the financial cost.

      I love my geek.

      • ArizonaMagpie says:

        Yep, geeks are special. I love my geek too.

        Tell him I vote that green energy is too little for too much. Especially when it is only viable with heavy subsidies.

    • Kat says:

      We all die. I don’t discriminate.

    • Golden Girl says:

      I am sorry about your girlfriends passing away but from what I read here you will find some very friendly women on this site that you may have some things in common with. I too have a husband who is an engineer, I like jewelry, (or anything that sparkles I’m a crow) and I like to dress well.

      • ArizonaMagpie says:

        Great to know all of you.

        Maybe I will continue to post but lord knows you all have posted my opinions.

  94. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @GoldenGirl, I lift my koolaide glass to you and toast. Salut! (Sp?)

  95. Adgirl says:

    OT – do any of you beautiful ladies use eye cream? Any recommendations? I have puffiness under the eye, no darkness.

    I’m so confused about the variety and cost.

    • Golden Girl says:

      I only use Sciabica’s extra virgin Lavender olive oil for my whole body. I remember years ago during an interview I saw with Sophia Loren in it she said that olive oil was all she used and I switched.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      My mother bought me the first eye cream that la prairie made when I was 13. I have used it religiously 2tx per day for 34 years.
      It’s very expensive, but one little jar lasts me for over a year because I use just the size of a piece of rice for both undereye area.
      Swear by it.

  96. Golden Girl says:

    @ Zoey or anyone else who is interested, I posted another soup recipe for you on @boston02127 recipe blog.

    • Zoey says:

      Awesome, thanks lady! Sending my son to the grocery store in a bit for fixin’s to cook this afternoon. Hm, what type of soup and what type of cocktail? Decisions….

      Anyone else find themselves looking in other people’s shopping carts to see what they buy? I seem to buy the same (though a huge amount! I have issues…) things over and over, but I’m always looking for new things.

  97. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @AdGirl, I hear those Olay Regenerist eye thingies that have caffeine and three roller balls works great on puffy under eyes. I forget the name but they look like a “G-2 mini massager”.
    One More in Boston might have some recommendations.

    • KellitaM says:

      I’ll echo that the Olay Regenerist line is really good. I’ve read alot of reviews about it that were really positive, and it’s not super expensive. I’ve been using the serum under my moisturizer and love the results (I’m in my mid-40s). You can use the serum under your eyes. I’ve read that you don’t need a specific “eye” cream, just be gentle under that area as you apply what you would to the rest of your face.

      • MAMAZ says:

        Olay has a great line!

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        I don’t agree with that.

        If you think about it, you have hair over every single square inch of your body. Called vellus or vellum. Next to each hair follicle is a sebaceous gland that secretes oil.

        So what is the only part of your body that doesn’t have hair? under the eye area. So no sebaceous glands.Which is why that area tends to wrinkle first.

        IMO you need a separate eye cream, and a cream made just for that area, not just an essential oil like lavender oil. I use all types of different essential oils on my face- my fav line for that is Darphin, but no matter what I’ve tried, nothing compare to the la prairie. Although clinique makes a pretty good one too.

        • Zoey says:

          I am saving this page for later reference for eye cream info! Love the REAL recommendations from you ladies. I find the world of cosmetics is expensive and overwhelming.

          • justanothermary says:

            I have been using the Olay line. They have a separate eye cream and I use that and the night moisturizer. I love the stuff and can actually afford it.

  98. Wall St Lady says:

    twoile. I fixed it Oct to Aug.
    I am glad to know another Virgo

    • twoile says:

      Fantastic ty & yes another Virgo 4 the group…looks like we could recruit 2 balance the #s…..interesting as reputedly August has the highest birth rate overall.Thank you again & 4 all U contribute to this blog, U R Gr8!!!!!!!!!

  99. Noelle says:

    Let me just start by saying: I’d like to kick Camille’s ass! (borrowing line from Kat 😉 )
    She’s an insufferable bitch and no amount of editing would ever make her look good.
    How nice for her mother to be entertained by that piss-poor excuse of a daughter while her nails are being done?? whining about the gene she tested positive for??!! WTF…what a massive asshole. Disgusting.
    Btw, her Mother looks better then she does.

    • Kat says:

      Noelle! I’m happy to see you. Missed you here. I hope everything is going well for you.

      • Noelle says:

        Hi Kat. Always happy to see you.
        My family is recovering from the flu, ran rampant thru the home this pass week, and I’m the only one who didn’t catch it. I’m also the only one who didn’t get a flu shot (unable) but boy am I hearing it…”never get another flu shot, never again”..blah, blah. Only able today to try and catch up here.

        How are you my fellow insomniac?? 🙂

        • Kat says:

          Insomniac theater here… but very tired tonight.

          I’m glad you didn’t cath the bug too. I think it’s harder to be the caregiver than the one sick especially when the entire family gets hit. You must be tired.

          I hope you rest up and join us here soon.

  100. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Noelle, hey girlfriend 🙂

  101. Wall St Lady says:

    Women used Preparation H for years b4 the market for creams exploded. I was told the basic ingredient is the same as the very expensive creams for
    Puffiness.

    The olive oil thing must b similar to my mom swearing by
    Vasoline.
    I am an Oil of Oley girl since my 1 st use of cream at 20.Add my Avon skin so soft Oil & I am good to go .

    • Kat says:

      I believe it is an astringent. I’ve heard the same thing.

    • ArizonaMagpie says:

      Vasoline is the waste that is left over from processing crude oil.

    • KellitaM says:

      I use to use the Prep H under my eyes, too, and it did a good job. I squeezed it out of the Prep H tube and put it in an empty moisturizing container, though, because it made me feel better. Lol

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        My mom used to use prep H on her lower body and wrap herself in Saran Wrap and layout on the roof when she was competing in Beauty pagents. It forces all the puffiness out of wherever you put it.

    • Zoey says:

      Since I am among girlfriends here (and guy) I will share with you one of my ‘life’s most embarrassing moments’. While staying in a hotel I went to brush my teeth and accidentally grabbed a white, generic-looking tube, which turned out to be hemorrhoid cream rather than toothpaste! While I brushed I thought, wow, this Equate stuff is really weird; kind of baking soda-like. It wasn’t bad, just weird! It probably shrunk my gums!

  102. Wall St Lady says:

    Noelle
    Kat kicked Camille’s a$$
    Would u like to kick Teres’s
    A$$ w/me ?
    Did u know she has a pre trial
    Hearing on Dec. 14. Its a pre trial for the July 2011 trial to throw the BK R request out due to fraud.

    • Noelle says:

      No, I want to kick Camille’s ass. (Just borrowed the “I’d like to kick blah’s ass from our lovely Kat!) (I’m with Duchess…LMAO@Kat)
      Count me in with you in kicking another ass(s) to the turd curb.
      The time frame is warped to me…does this mean criminal charges charges are eminent?

    • Noelle says:

      I’m sure you’ll keep us informed with the latest.

  103. Noelle says:

    I’ve only just caught up with the (from Tues.–>) blogs/posts today and all I have to say is WOW! Fine week to miss.
    @Lynn – You’re a PEACH! What you provide here is immeasurable, I don’t know how you do it, really…but Thank you. xoxo

    @WSL – So sorry and unhappy to read that you were caught in the crossfire. Just awful as you were one of the first to comfort and extend a helping hand only to have it bite. (I felt bad for her @the time too but just WOW now. Who knew..) You have a great heart and you’re not where your at without wits and durability. That’s an understatement of course!

    @OnMoB0 – Great clues, and you should really think about penning children’s books! There’s a fortune just waiting for you.

    @Kat – You are such a love and so damn funny too! You also have great CLAWS when need be. 🙂

    @TruelifeDiva – I get you, you fierce doll.

  104. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Noelle, you just had to be there! Lol :-D. Someone told me on Twitter they’ve been dying to do what I did today. So I not only wear the TrollSlayer crown, I wear the AssHole slayer sash!
    We missed you this week, don’t disappear like that again on us. 😉

    • Kat says:

      @TLD~ You definitely have earned every hat/sash/crown you wear.
      You nailed down some details for me that I was missing. When I thought about EVERYthing as a whole instead of pieces things fell together.
      I went back to 9/25. My hat is off to you. Nothing quite like the experience of being bitten by the person you tried to help.

      You hung in there for months while the teapot started to boil. The attack on you was furious yet it lacked fact and substance. Stuff was made up, baseless accusations were made, and you were written about as though you were stalking and harassing a victim. The word bitch wore out its welcome.

      I lack your patience. I think I would have just left and said screw it.
      She is back. She is not done yet. It was too easy. imho – LOL
      I reread some things and changed my opinion on a few things today.
      Your rock solid stance serves you as well as others well.

      • Kat says:

        FWIW The people – 2 or 3, from RT who posted here on the subject were just trying to politely yell fire and let us know what happened to them. All good people. No attack or stalking on their part, they offered facts and genuine concern for wulfietulips and us.

        I do see illness. And I see that my idea about turning off internet access and seeking real help is of little merit when the illness is active. Still it is not an excuse for this behavior. I think Katie explained the vicious cycle of behavior quite well on the previous blog.

    • Noelle says:

      I’m having trouble posting. I’m going to try this again:

      What a week to be gone, Damn! I feel bad. (Family had to come down with the flu….damn them(Insert SNARK here) 🙂

      Oh my Diva, troll slayer crown!
      You’re my hero-ine!! xoxo

  105. Adgirl says:

    This is the best board EVER! What funny and insightful comments from TV, recipes, pet care and general info. Thanks to all of you! I enjoy each comment even if I can’t remember your handle off the top of my head. I am grateful for QuincyIl, HD, HadEnough, ZipItZarin, OneMore inBoston (who BTW coached me so I got a terrific laser/microdermabrasion deal!), Boston123 (or whatever your zipcode is),TrueLifeDiva (you are a scream) and of course WSL who aside from being extremely entertaining in her own right, has also had many direct interactions with the notorious ladies of Bravo .
    And thanks to Lynn who is fast asleep I am sure. I am on the west coast so I am just digging into the blog when everyone else is off to attend to their own lives.

    Love to you all!!!

  106. JKW says:

    I didn’t see this posted but I might have missed it. Guess everyone is getting in on the act.

    TLC has ordered their own version of Housewives. They’ve headed down south for the Bama Belles. I love that everyone is trying to ride the Housewives wave. Variety reports (about the cast), “The “Bama Belles” include radio personality/real estate developer and mother Amie Pollard, 39; ex-beauty queen Melissa McLaney, 35; beautician Jana Roberts, 28; Internet entrepreneur and New York transplant Val Tignini, 26; and Army reservist Dakota Redding, 24″

    It looks like the cast is much younger than our fabu women on Bravo, but my question is, do they pack the same punch? And on another note, didn’t the old SoapNet do Southern Belles already? I know that was set in Louisiana, but it’s still the same idea.

    Bama Belles airs on December 5th at 10PM on TLC.

    • Adgirl says:

      Yeah Southern Belles … I saw that and I think they dropped it after one season. It’s hard to deliver the drama if you don’t have a really sharp production company running the show and choosing the cast. On SB the main bitch got married on the show. After the show ended her husband ran off with a local female judge who had tried out for the show.

      The younger thing – does TLC think that they will match Laguna Beach or The Hills?
      Remember Real World – SF, Miami, Hawaii … those were the days!

    • Kat says:

      Too many housewives’ shows burn me out. I only have so much hate. 😉
      I wish the new shows success if it helps the women on the shows achieve what they are seeking. ( narcissistic adoration?)

    • California35 says:

      I did wonder how come there are no younger couples house wives. You know, with less bottom and need to feel younger. And/Or more average lives. It probably won’t be good tv.

  107. JKW says:

    Will be interesting to see how the show does. Maybe bring in a younger audience or just bomb. I don’t know that TLC brings in that many younger people. I agree, not sure if I can watch one more of these things.

  108. Kat says:

    Where have Ellabean, nathania, Desertgal66 and Olivia gone to?

  109. Noelle says:

    @Kat,
    Hi night owl…I spoke to soon(I could give a laundromat a run for it’s money this week!)

    Oh and btw again, those fools that say you don’t need two of anything can kiss my ass..they should have spent the past week here. 😉

    • Kat says:

      So you did catch it? Ugh. Be good to yourself and rest. I think sleep is healing.
      I wish I could help you out.

      • Noelle says:

        No, knock on wood.
        I’m fine…but what is it about the “BED” when you have a bucket next to you?
        I’m so happy doing what I’m doing and feel blessed….washing sheets..taking care of people I love and washing sheets. lol 😉

        • Kat says:

          Laundry doesn’t bother me either. But I hate that “sick” smell that seems to come from a fever. It motivates me to clean everything. When I was much younger I worked with the elderly. Long term care.
          I really enjoyed the people. I had favorites. Over the years they all passed away. I moved on to other things but that was my favorite job.

    • Noelle says:

      two sets of anything

  110. California35 says:

    I’m finally done reading -wow I am late although, but even later for most of you. Midnight here. I read a little during the day, but had not seen Last night’s BH.

    I read a lot of what I have in mind and agree too. It seems that everyone is on the same team regarding Camille. I wanted to like her, really I did. Who knows we might like her again. As far as the fight with Kyle, someone said that some parts seemed “voice over. I agree, it makes me think that there is something else that they are not showing. Her response is so over the top also – why would Kyle say that no one will car about Camille if Kelsey isn’t ther when they are talking about a trip. Either that or she is like many of you said, Kelly.

    I like BH, but the “staged” or not staged fights make it not fun to watch. It is a new show, we still haven’t invested time or fall in love with either one yet, and boom a fight. Do women really talk and confront each other like that? I have curiosity or interst on other things…like Lisa’s love for her family and business, the way she dresses (although too much pink :-P), the way she carries herself. Addrienne’s business , Kim and Kyles’s relationship to get better. Hoping Tyler will have more moments with her daughter and (hopefully the dog) where she bonds with her.

    Somehow the bickering and fights sell though 😦

    It is their first episode so I will con tie watching….we should see.

    • Noelle says:

      The only Camille voice over I heard was on her patio(I know..but I LOVE it.) with Nick?.. And even Nick (friend’s hubby) asked if she apologized.
      Hmmm…

      • California35 says:

        Yeah I noticed that too. She acts like they are good friends and flirts, but she is the only one. He doesn’t join in the crazy 😛

        I think there was another moment that made me think it was a voice over. In the room when they are “alone”.

      • quincyil says:

        Nick knows Camille and crazy. He had his head down. He knew this was a part of the syndrome.

        If Nick is Kelsey’s friend, he is there to monitor and guide the nutcase.

  111. California35 says:

    Sorry forth cut words, if I don’t pay attention the iPad changesbthe words on me.

  112. California35 says:

    Good night – it is late – I hope to join the fun tomorrow a bit earlier 🙂

  113. boston02127 says:

    Did anyone else notice when the husbands were having dinner together and talking about missing their wives while the women were in NY that Adrienne’s husband was there but Adrienne’s uncle died and she didn’t go to NY.

    • quincyil says:

      I have learned a great deal here. I love seeing women who are able to share.

      • quincyil says:

        This didn’t go to the right spot. rotfl

        OK, I did notice that Paul was at the luncheon. My husband worked during the period that we were going to bury my dad. I think he was in the same area and you have to eat lunch so he went. It is more appropriate for Adrienne to go into mourning and spend that time with her mom. If his uncle had died, I would not expect him to have gone to lunch.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Maybe they (Bravo or production company) filmed out of sequence.

    • KellitaM says:

      Maybe it was really filmed later? One of those times that Bravo manipulates us again?

    • cusi77 says:

      Bostoncito_ I noticed it too. I think he belonged with the guys whose wives were out of town since Adrienne was raised in Arizona… perhaps her uncle passed over there…

    • JKW says:

      I love that she wore the dress. Notice that the sleeves are cut off, which is what Kors and Nina had a problem with. It would have been great if she wore it with the long sleeves…as he made it. At least she didn’t wear anything of Wretchens.

  114. AZ Girl says:

    Rise and shine everyone. Beautiful day here in AZ.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Overcast and dreary in Wisconsin; so I am borrowing your AZ sun.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Chicago could use some of that sun too – looks like rain and then cold coming our way…..

        • KellitaM says:

          We sure were spoiled this week with the unseasonable sunny and 70s! Dang! I was pretending it was May. I’m not ready for the cold. 😦

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Overcast and chilly in Kansas. Rained most of yesterday, so dank is the best description for today.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Yesterday was the start of the 3 Day Walk for the Cure for Breast Cancer. One of the stop overs is a park by my house. They set up tents and camp in the park overnight. I have never seen so many pink tutu’s in my life. Huge turn out this year. It is wonderful.

      • ArizonaMagpie says:

        I agree about the beautiful day in AZ.

        What area do you live in? I live in North Phoenix but not that much north.

  115. LynnNChicago says:

    Danielle Staub Is Filming A Pilot For A New Reality Show On VH1! Exclusive! « Hollywood Life http://t.co/QyASghs

    • cusi77 says:

      Good Morning Lynn and everyone here!

      I am not a Danielle’s fan… but NEVEH will start being truth to TG!

      Come one Danielle make it BIG! It is your best rebanche against the NJ wives!

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        have to agree Cuzi – revenge would be wonderful!

        • error404 says:

          me too! Danielle was never exactly likable, but they way the other 4 went after her like a lynch mob was just despicable.. if Bravo had even a shred of morals, they’d have intervened the way the police have to protect child murderers from an angry mob.

  116. realminkey says:

    Morning everyone. It’s a gloriously beautiful day here in the Hudson Valley.

    WSL, loved your Lilly experience. Jackie O sunglasses? I need me some!

    • AZ Girl says:

      I had not thought about Lilly’s in ages. I remember my Mom bought my sister and I Lilly’s for Easter one year. The fabric was stiff but the colors were amazing. There was a great article about Lilly Pulitzer in Vanity Fair last year and how the dresses are on there way back in fashion.

    • error404 says:

      we’ve been having stunning weather the past week haven’t we! I hope today includes a nice walk… or is that the dog mind controlling me again! lol

  117. Noelle says:

    I’ll believe it when I see it, sounds like Danielle herself gave the “scoop.” Although VH1 doesn’t have standards but then again what channel/station/network does.

    • Kat says:

      I think Danielle’s standards are suspect too. She must be anxious to stay in the public eye and remain relevant. Fifteen minutes must fly by.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        This seems like one in a long series of news releases about Danielle’s new projects. She appears to be crying wolf – but who knows. If someone thinks she can pull in the ratings they’ll put her on air. I personally think she’s not worth the time to watch anymore. She didn’t add anything to NJ last year – well some crazy with Danny and the thugs – but the victim card was worn too thin and became a hollow piece of nothing. And she was ick.

  118. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Kat,I’m just now reading your post to me from last night regarding my hats/crowns/sashes/light sabers :-). I intentionally pulled the pin and then fell on that grenade for the Fambly. I knew what KrayKray was up to since I had seen her in action before. Like you mentioned, anyone else would have thrown their hands up and never came back. I knew too much to be truly hurt by anything that mutt had to say. I triggerd her in a very calculated way and she showed her ass just like I knew she would. As a result, a few more Fambly members here are more troll savy 😉 we all win!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Thanks TLD (and Kat) – it was a learning experience and I will listen to my trolldar when it goes off even if I am not sure why. Not to start a troll thread – but do you think this individual will be back here again?

      • housewifeaddict says:

        In a few weeks seems to be the pattern LOL

      • Kat says:

        Yes. I think this last episode was too easy and lacked the desired attention and requisite drama. (I missed the previous day though with WSB/WSL, perhaps her needs were filled?
        I think she was here with more than one identity. She may have a little used one to fall back on or just create a new one.
        I liked Katie’s idea (iirc) of troll Tuesdays. Just let them in and carry on as usual. Done by hump day.

        Good morning @TLD and @WCW. 8) Cold here with snow. I love it!

  119. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @AZ Girl, I do 5k/10k runs every month as a hobby. When I first started I looked up the charities I wanted to run for. That 3day is SO EXPENSIVE! $3200 min :-(. So those women are giving a lot to the cause. Mind, body, and wallet!

    • AZ Girl says:

      My mom had breast cancer and survived to live to the ripe age of 80. I ran in the Race for the Cure for 12 years. My knees can’t take it anymore so I walk the Race.
      It is amazing and it is grueling. 60 miles and sleeping in tents for 2 nights. It got down into the 40’s last night. I was stopped in traffic on the way home from work trying to get into my neighborhood. If I am able I will take pictures and post them. They may have already moved on to Phoenix.

      • quincyil says:

        I just started those races. I think the physical trainer wants everyone to come up with goals all of the time. If we don’t have a wedding, she’ll come up with a race. Please, everyone here invite me to your weddings.

    • AZ Girl says:

      I forgot to tell you that the participants get pledges to cover the $3,200.

  120. housewifeaddict says:

    Troll
    Wow – I always thought when people referenced the ‘trolls’ they were something to do with the housewives and JZ trying to disrupt this particular site. But according to this article, this sort of stuff is pretty pervasive, and a game for some folks out there. Interesting read – I’ve pulled some of the more insightful stuff out.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=3

    “In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word “troll” to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities. Early trolling was relatively innocuous, taking place inside of small, single-topic Usenet groups. The trolls employed what the M.I.T. professor Judith Donath calls a “pseudo-naïve” tactic, asking stupid questions and seeing who would rise to the bait. The game was to find out who would see through this stereotypical newbie behavior, and who would fall for it. As one guide to trolldom puts it, “If you don’t fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.”

    Today the Internet is much more than esoteric discussion forums. It is a mass medium for defining who we are to ourselves and to others. Teenagers groom their MySpace profiles as intensely as their hair; escapists clock 50-hour weeks in virtual worlds, accumulating gold for their online avatars. Anyone seeking work or love can expect to be Googled. As our emotional investment in the Internet has grown, the stakes for trolling — for provoking strangers online — have risen. Trolling has evolved from ironic solo skit to vicious group hunt.

    “Lulz” is how trolls keep score. A corruption of “LOL” or “laugh out loud,” “lulz” means the joy of disrupting another’s emotional equilibrium. “Lulz is watching someone lose their mind at their computer 2,000 miles away while you chat with friends and laugh,” said one ex-troll who, like many people I contacted, refused to disclose his legal identity.

    Another troll explained the lulz as a quasi-thermodynamic exchange between the sensitive and the cruel: “You look for someone who is full of it, a real blowhard. Then you exploit their insecurities to get an insane amount of drama, laughs and lulz. Rules would be simple: 1. Do whatever it takes to get lulz. 2. Make sure the lulz is widely distributed. This will allow for more lulz to be made. 3. The game is never over until all the lulz have been had.””

    • quincyil says:

      Interesting article. It a bother for people like Lynn who have to delete and send people to spam.

      I read that Jeff Lewis will have a talk show. I wonder if he is giving up flipping and those employees will lose their jobs.

    • Kat says:

      Thanks for the info.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      I read that article , and even have it saved in my bookmarks.

      What a bunch of sick bastards! Trolling sites that have people who’s loved ones have died and hen writin terrible things about them, publishing people’s private information like addresses, phone numbers, ss numbers, that THEY don’t like.

      Internet facsist Nazis.

  121. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @WindyCityWondering, yes they will be back. Its what they do. It’ll be much harder since their long established Id’s are blown. One of their traits was multiple Id’s that would all pounce on the chosen victim. While smart enough to open numerous email accounts, not smart enough to give fake personalities different voices. Fake outrage is one major giveaway. Its hard to explain but you know it when you see it. Our troll has visited a few times recently but cannot establish the toehold it once had. This person is sick with too much time, access to technology, and a twisted sense superiority.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Thanks TLD – I am glad you are here and know what to do!

      • housewifeaddict says:

        TLD – do you think our trolls are the anonymous sort, or fans of the housewives hoping to disrupt the flow of things? There has been lots of confirmation that the HWs read this blog, and presumably some of their supporters do as well.

        On the other hand, that NY times article was pretty clear that some people just get a kick out of being disruptive. And a lot of the troll like posts don’t really mention the HWs – they just seem to attack us (the posters).

    • Kat says:

      I thought at first she really felt attacked. But she fabricated facts that were easy to check and that confused me. Misinformation to confuse people is premediated not spontaneous illness. Then she questioned the motives of people who read her posts but didn’t share her perspective on what was actually written in the posts (she had asked her posts be read). Finally she attacked Lynn, followed by the blog at large.

      Perhaps this is mental illness in action. Part of my brain says, “nay the lady overplayed her part” and the other half thinks this cries sickness. However she jumped over here after doing the same thing at RealityTea.

      RealityTea has had regular posters attacked and some have quit posting. This happened to them just prior to or during our latest troll visit. IIRC RealityTea changed posting rules too and now only allows OT chat on dedicated Open Posts. I gathered this from reading comments there.

      My point is that she stays busy. Very busy. I wonder if she quits taking her meds or if this is just a fun way to pass her time.
      I had checked other blogs back in Oct and found posts unrelated to RH that were very revealing. But I question their veracity.

      I given her too much of my time. LOL almost Lulz
      I do love a good mystery though.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        If you look carefully at her postings, she seems to start to lose it by midday. In the morning she appears to be somewhat agreeable.

        I thought she took some type of meds before bed, woke up still under the influence, started to get agressive by 2:00 and then is in full on battle gear by 6-7:00.

        Whatever the issue, I DO feel badly that someone is so f*ing warped. But the amount of turmoil they cause, and havoc that they wreak is not worth it.

        Interesting though, the attacks on posters who originally sided and supported them. So a special venom reserved for posters she beleives “betrayed” her.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          Watching Kelly on scary island was a step into a different sort of world. Paranoia, and attacks over nothing. We need Sonja to tell us to stop reacting and start worrying. Too bad we can’t ship our troll off this island so that she can get the help she needs.

        • JazzNightOut says:

          That someone could want to make others feel sooo bad just for laughs makes me shiver. Touch of evil.

        • Kat says:

          OMIB, I think it is awesome you noticed a link between time of day and agreeableness/aggressiveness.
          I completely missed it. You probably are on to something. Either medication, the presence of her target at that time or some type of “sun downing” occurring.

        • Kat says:

          Borderline Personality Disorder. Lots of drama for drama’s sake. She did cite that as one dx.

  122. housewifeaddict says:

    Wow – reading back on old posts made me realize that I barely remember RHWDC at all. Cat who? Mary whatzername. Lynda and the good looking young BF. Even the Salami’s 15 minutes seems to be up.

    Bravo must have had Atlanta and Beverly Hills filmed and being edited, and realized what a dud DC was going to be when it was set to air. I can see the execs saying – “just make a few episodes, document the Salami madness – and fill in with anything else that won’t put the audience to sleep.”

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Well I think I’ve answered my own question. No one wanted to do the show, LOL.

      http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0910/the_real_housewives_of_mclean_and_bethesda.html

      Interesting that Edwina agreed to do it, then backed out – hence the small amount of air time with her. And Lynda’s husband was mentioned as if he was still in the picture a year ago – I kind of got the impression she had been divorced for a while. Clearly Stacy (and Erica) and Cat were last minute additions.

      Does show that many of the woman in DC have a lot of common sense.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        That ship was sinking before it left the dock! Lol, seems that some of the ladies are intelligent enough to know that the price of “fame” isn’t worth it.

  123. WindyCityWondering says:

    After reading the Bravo BH blogs and comments I am wondering why Kim does not post. Did the Kyle vs Camielle fight unhinge her so badly that she can not speak of it? She seems to be the key to unraveling the flashpoint.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I’ve been wondering the same thing. Maybe all of the filming set her into a downward spiral. She seems so fragile. There’s been a few tidbits of her in the press saying how hard it was to show her private life to the camera crews (and the world).

      I know most folks think Kyle is great – but I’m beginning to think she is pretty crummy, just looks good compared to Camille who is really darn awful. Kim wasn’t a good choice for a reality show – she’s just too socially awkward and without a script can’t come off as anything else. Kyle should have known that and protected her, instead of pointing out how socially awkward her sister is every chance she gets on-camera.

      I’ve got a sister a lot like Kim, and while she gets on my nerves and I resent having to look out for her (she’s almost 50 and still needs emotional and financial support), I always stick up for her in family situations, and am like glue by her side when she needs me. Some folks are just too fragile to take any sort of negativity.

    • quincyil says:

      She may not be educated. Some children actresses are isolated and although they have tutors, they may not do well. Others, like Brook Shields, go to Ivy League Schools. It’s hard to know why she isn’t writing.

  124. WindyCityWondering says:

    Watching BH – Camielle with Nick conversation. First, Camielle’s check implants are too big and have displaced her natural wrinkle lines. Second, it looks like her face was done is a very patchwork fashion – why didn’t she do her entire forehead? Third, she doesn’t know how to apply makeup to minimize the work she has had done – she advertises it instead. As for calling what she and Kyle had in Vegas as a “tiff” with her snakey smile should have tipped us off – oh she has calculated the mileage on this vehicle!

      • ilovelynn says:

        hysterical, housewifeaddict! I watched the episode for the 1st time today and kyle is correct, camille needs therapy! she is cockaroach crazy and one of the most self absorbed person I have ever seen. that scene with her mother is painful to watch. creepy! run, kelsey, run! there’s an article in the national enquirer (so it must be true) this week that states kelsey cancelled thanksgiving with his kids to be with his girlfriend in nyc and “poor camille” is going to take him for 71 million! zeesh!
        she is a truly unlikable person and I can’t believe one thing she says.

        lisa makes me laugh. when the hynotist(therapist?) came in and lisa wanted to speak to him in private she said in her interview she was going to ask him to make it so kyle starting quacking like a duck with they said “fasten your seat belts” on the plane. too funny!

        I have to say, this group of ladies are heads and tails above all the other franchises. they really are rich and funny and snarky. I think rhony is going to be a real letdown. no wonder they went to morroco!

  125. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @HouseWifeAddict
    There seems to be two types of trolls that visit/disrupt us 🙂

    1.Fans who are offended when someone doesn’t like their idol and defend them to the death. Dozens of links are posted to prove everyone else is wrong and insults to intelligence are common.

    2. Drama for sport. These people come on board with elaborate back stories. They play nice for a while, pretend to be confused by the internet and all things related. They cozy up to the caregiver type personalities and win their trust. Then when the time arrives, they turn on everyone. They become evil, nasty, and use information given in confidence against those most vulnerable. Their goal is to convince people to leave forever. Their goal is to cause mistrust. They like to feel they run things like a puppetmaster. Their own personal lives are sad.

    Tune in tomorrow for more TrollSlaying101 😀

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Is it bad that I giggle at the over the top ones (Grandma Wrinkles Ass) who only seem to come out when a blog topic is Dina or Teresa?

      • housewifeaddict says:

        It does seem that anytime someone posts ‘inside’ information on the NJ girls, a lot of ‘trolls’ come out and play. Especially Dina and Kim G supporters/haters. But they come out barrels blasting and are easy to identify. This other stuff – meh – good thing we’ve got our troll slayers, as I’m usually the last to recognize it.

      • Kat says:

        I laugh too sometimes. Jill has rapid fans as does Dina.
        Twitter wars amaze me. All that effort but in 140 characters.

      • KellitaM says:

        Grandma Wrinkles Ass is pretty LOL crazy funny.

    • Kat says:

      TrollSlay101…. Lmao! Too Funny. Yet great info.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      I can anticipate and recognize and somewhat understand Troll Type 1 but Troll Type 2 is really sick. They give me the willies because they play on the best of someone to make them hurt; just evil.

    • KellitaM says:

      Thank you for the TrollSlaying101! I have learned a lot. I haven’t been on this blog long, but I, too, got the “troll vibes” a few days ago.

  126. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Kat, not to beat a dead troll :-D. But during the Sept massive attack, she was maintaining at least two twitter wars as well. When she was posting RealityTea links on her Twitter page, if you scrolled back a few days you saw her attacking random people as well! She said lots of nasty stuff to me on Twitter hoping I would respond. The funniest though was when she finally admitted defeat, “Well, this bomb was a dud!” And then she deleted dozens of entries and has been silent since. I think she’s started new Twitter accounts since then. She loves chaos too much to ever be quiet indefinitely. She once told someone she was harrassing, “As long as I have electricity and internet, I will never shut up.”. I believe that to be true.

    • MAMAZ says:

      TLD – At the beginning of her attack on you here I did a little research. She was also posting on Topix in her town. Topix is a haven for trolls. That’s when I realized I had been taken in by the account of her being attacked on RT. I looked there and saw that you were NOT attacking her nor as far as I could tell was anyone else. You were in fact defending her. The others seemed to be reacting to her aggressivness.

      • Kat says:

        And she baited the gay men there by using the slur f**.
        She is an insistant and prolific poster.

        Mamaz I will be googling Topix now. Curiousity and Kats.

    • Kat says:

      You can’t medicate determination and dedication like she has. Good grief.

      Your post expresses my reasons for questioning the illness bent she tried to play. Several…no – many many of her posts referenced her mental illness.
      Things that make you go uhm.

      Glad she’s not my neighbor. One of us would be in jail.

    • quincyil says:

      I am your fan. LOL…. if that helps.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      You know it takes a strong and healthy personality to recognize and deal with Troll No. 2s. You got it, babe. You can be my health gieger counter. :-D!

  127. Kat says:

    @OneMoreInBoston~ I just wanted to tell you that I think you have talent. You may want to consider writing. You write so articulately and with such humor you could probably pen a novel or be the next Erma Bombeck.

  128. MAMAZ says:

    Someone posted upthread that Camille was in Hawaii for a Cheers event. If she was then it’s possible that Kyle questioned why they would be interested in Camille without Kelsey there. And it’s a legitimate question. I’m not the sort of woman who goes to entertainment conventions but if I was I would go looking to meet the stars not their wives.
    It does offer a reason such a question might be asked. I couldn’t for the life of me understand how such a comment might come up.

    Kyle – What are you doing for spring break?
    Camille – Going to Hawaii.
    K – Why would Hawaii want you there without Kelsey?
    C – Well, I’m going to visit with friends.
    K – Why would your friends be interested in you without Kelsey?

    Doesn’t seem feasible. But if Camille had said she was going to participate in a Cheers anniversary event, reunion or convention sort of thing it makes much more sense.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Yes, that does make sense. And it fits with Kyle’s personality to ask that as well if that were the information she was given. Sometimes, Kyle is a little too blunt; she forgets there is a person on the other side of her opinions.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        It does make sense. But I’m not ruling out Camille making the whole thing up – mainly because Kyle is blunt and so far seems honest – and if she had any idea what Camille was going on about would try to explain what she really did say.

        • MAMAZ says:

          I think if Kyle said it at all it was probably voiced differently than Camille is claiming.
          I still think Camille is loathsome.

          • JazzNightOut says:

            I do too! RHOBH is becoming my second favorite RH aftern RHONYC. I never post unless I am involved. And loathing Camille is involving.

            • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

              I can see it coming up areound the topic a a Cheers event as in
              C–“I will be attending Cheers event”
              K–“Without Kelsey?”

              and then Camille turned it into more in her own mind.

    • California35 says:

      MAMAA you took the words out of my mouth. I noticed that last night, and couldn’t post it on the correct spot so I didn’t. The Cheers even might explain why Kelsey’s name even came out on that conversation…and it went like Duchess of Dryer Lint said “C–”I will be attending Cheers event”
      K–”Without Kelsey?””

      btw – I was able to cut and paste 😛

  129. ArizonaMagpie says:

    @AZGirl
    Where in AZ do you live?

    I am in N Phoenix.

  130. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Kat,WCW,HWA,MamaZ,Quincy,and OMiB love you all. We are all warriors fighting for good over evil :-). We all know the truth and knowledge is power!

    • quincyil says:

      Now, if we could find a solution for weeds, calories in desserts, and taxes. We could call this Utopia.

    • Kat says:

      @ TLD ~ As I’ve said I would have left if I had been you. I know you knew you had friends here but the blog often tilts as a unified machine. Wulfietulips finally tilted the machine all by herself with her incessant “the sky is falling posts.” I never found the post with her “Full legal name” and I looked hard for it back then.
      When Olivia set her straight I about died laughing – partially out of relief.

      I am so glad you are here! (I might say that every day for a month or a year.) 😉

  131. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @QuincyIl, AZ girl, I started doing races to give myself short term fitness goals and support charities. I try to better my finish time with each race. I’ve decided my New Years resolution will be to spend 2011 training for the Rock n Roll HALF marathon in Las Vegas in Dec. Gives me a year to build up. 😀

    • quincyil says:

      Everyone in my family is going to walk and run on Thanksgiving. I thought it would be fun. Today, the cold wet wind is blowing… I wonder if I forget this is Nov. LOL.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Go for it. Phoenix has a PF Chang Rock and Roll Marathon and it is a blast. I think that is great. Best part about AZ is the running. I wish my knees were still young. I enjoyed it so much. Phoenix Ironman is next Sunday.

    • Queen Butter Bean says:

      That is great!!! I’m training to walk a marathon – just can’t do the running thing – maybe one day.

      I started for fitness reasons as well. When I walked my first 5k, I felt like I had really accomplished something and was quite proud of myself. Now – I do a 10k everyday at a minimum.

      The short term, small goals are the things that keep me exercising. Otherwise, it’s too overwhelming.

  132. OneMoreInBoston says:

    Once upon a time children, in a land far, far, away, there was a wonderful and happy place called IHJZ. It was the type of place that whomever entered felt welcomed and loved. Everyone agreed amongst themselves that there was never such a place of good will and fellowship that any of them could remember for a long, long time.

    Now IHJZ was ruled by a beautiful, kindly and benevolent blog mistress. Her loyal subjects called her Our Beloved Lynn. She watched over her world and her loyal followers with the ferocity of a mother lion tending her cubs.

    In this shimmering and magical place lived a beautiful warrior princess. I will name her TrueLifeDiva (TLD) for the sake of our story. Because you see like all warrior princesses, TLD didn’t understand or believe in the power that she wielded. She preferred to stay anonymous, on the peripheries of the blog world that she roamed, content for others to take the limelight.

    It came to pass that Our Beloved Lynn was so loved and so much in demand that other worlds wanted her to come to them to show them how she ruled. Because Our Beloved Lynn wanted all of the world to be as harmonious and peaceful as hers, she agreed to help. So she began to broadcast her melodious voice with the aid of another beautiful and wise princess WSL. (WSL is a whole other story, children, for another day.)

    Then calamity struck! Our Beloved Lynn’s attention was turned away from her shining world, just for one small second when her vigilance wavered, just for a little tiny fraction of time when her watchful eye looked away, the door to her world was left oh so slightly ajar.

    And a hungry, and smelly, and nasty, and vicious troll snuck in!

    Now if you’ve never met a troll, well then children, count your self lucky. They will jab you and poke you and stab you with their evil pointy claws, and nibble on your toes with their tiny sharp little teeth.

    Trolls are tricksters, and love to play pranks. They will disguise themselves in the costume of a fair maiden and of a damsel in distress, so that all of the good and kind people of the IHJZ world will befriend them.

    Now when the troll first slipped in to IHJZ, our beautiful warrior princess, TLD furrowed her brow. Because you see she smelled something! And she smelled something bad! It worried her, and bothered her, that smell did.

    So she got out her Troll Sword and put on her Troll Armour and with a screeching battle cry sprang forth to slay the beast!

    But alas, the good and kindly posters at IHJZ formed a wall of protection around the troll! Because you see, the troll had done what sometimes very old and very wily trolls do: cast a magic spell that blinded all of the posters around them.

    The kindest and sweetest of all of the posters was KLMH. Who was also a secret warrior princess. But no one is supposed to know children, so we’ll keep it a secret for now. The troll knew though. The troll knew.

    So the troll hid behind KLMH while TLD poised to attack. “Be gone!” commanded KLMH and she consoled the troll, saying don’t worry I will protect you! And this is how children the biggest fight of the land occurred between the two beautiful warrior princesses of IHJZ.

    Oh it was terrible! The earth was scorched, the air was thick with the smell of hatred, weave hair and fake nails littered the ground. Our Beloved Lynn couldn’t bear it another second! And the troll was cast out back into the cold and lonely internet world without a happy place to play.

    But when there is a war, children, when there is a rift, even between warrior princesses, the world you see, is never quite the same. The good people of IHJZ looked at each other in wonder and horror. How could this have happened? And what could they do to make sure it never happened again?

    Well since TLD still had on her Troll Armour and still held onto her Troll Sword, she began a series of classes, short lectures if you will, that she called Troll Slaying 101. And the good posters of IHJZ sat rapt with attention, even the secret warrior princess KLMH, and they learned slowly but surely how to protect their world from the Troll army that is always lurking just outside the steely gaze of Our Beloved Lynn.

    • MAMAZ says:

      LOVE IT!

    • klmh says:

      That is a good and probably truthful tale, well written. 🙂

      Its amazing people do stuff like this, trolling. I made an honest but stupid mistake and will try to rectify my behavior by waiting and watching. I will also try to read the posts better and not pass them by when ranting is going on. If I defend someone, I should read what they say instead of jump on some posters that seem to demean, but are instead trying to put her in her place for other posters to see, like me and a few other naive folks here.

      Thanks again for forgiving an ole goof… lesson learned. nox

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I feel like we’re in Lord of the Rings – not Lord of the Flies LOL (but never lulz)

    • JazzNightOut says:

      OMiB: You are my favorite babysitter when Lynn is away. Could you give us a bedtime story again soon? Really missed so much that you understood so well.

    • KellitaM says:

      Giggling. That was awesome! I always love good fairy tale.

    • Kat says:

      OneMoreInBoston, Brava! I hope you hold story time right after TLD’s Trollslaying. You’ll both have my rapt attention.

    • twoile says:

      Fantastic writing…….get the a publisher oh talented one!!!!!!!!!

    • klmh says:

      And I thank you the compliment above. I enjoy the posters here and the site is just too addictive… Lots to learn. :>)

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Aesop has nothing on you! A wonderful tale!

  133. housewifeaddict says:

    New Atlanta Gawsipp

    http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/12/real-housewives-of-atlanta-private-investigator-letter-sheree-bob-whitfield-dwayne-alexander/

    Sheree hired a private investigator named Dwayne Alexander back in 2005 to dig up dirt on her then-husband, ex-NFL star Bob Whitfield — but according to a court order obtained by TMZ … she still owes him $28,858.93 for snooping services and interest.

    Now, Alexander’s gone way over her head to get the money, firing off a letter to Bravo — the network behind “Housewives” — claiming he plans to garnish Sheree’s wages from the show to settle the debt once and for all.

    Sheree’s lawyer claims Alexander’s judgment is “void” — telling us, dude “has no idea what he’s doing in a court of law and what he’s trying to do is improper.”

  134. housewifeaddict says:

    Here’s a little (and I mean just a little) information from Kim.

    http://tellycafe.com/television/kim-richards-of-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-is-raring-in-unknown-territory/

    Kim Richards of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Is Raring in Unknown Territory…

    Having acted in movies in past, Kim Richards took up the show of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills as she thought it would be fun! And how much! She thought she’d get her sister – Kyle Richards – around and other gals with whom she could hang around!
    And fun, she says, she’s had! Is she without hiccups? Not really. Kim has shared that the idea of shooting for films and being shot in reality like a film are two completely different things. As she became the subject of the latter, she got a little unnerved to begin with!

    She says that she spoke many a things on the camera in the course of her regular life, which she later wished she could take back. But such is obviously not possible.
    Kim says that this show has brought her out into an unknown territory of yelling, fighting and so on, which is in complete contrast with her homely mom’s image. Yet, through the show, she enjoyed the time she was independent and unattached from her kids and others!

  135. MAMAZ says:

    Kat – Topix is a strange playground.
    I started going there because someone told me it was a good place to talk sports. I work for a university with a great b ball team. I am a rabid college b ball fan. I had never been to a forum before. There were some great basketball threads but I also got sucked into some racism threads. It didn’t take long to realize there were many trolls on there just trying to upset people like me. I’m a big girl and I can take a little heat. I had a few cyber friends on there like I have here at IHJZ. There was one woman inparticular I was fond of. She was a professional African American woman recently unemployed. We talked all the time. I defended her from the trolls like a mother bear. We even talked about getting together for dinner or drinks. To make a long story short eventually the truth came out. “She” was a man who also posted under another name on the b ball threads that I talked to on a regular basis. I felt so betrayed. He couldn’t understand why. His excuse was that he was using this persona to create a dialogue and break sterotypes. I saw it as a kind of cyber blackface. While this was happening the b ball threads were being overrun by some really nasty trolls, people who make our trolls seem lovable. I was so disgusted I stopped going to Topix altogether.
    Just be careful there. They have some serious trolls who can hack into your account and harrass you by email, facebook, Twitter and release your personal info. I’ve seen it happen.

    • Kat says:

      Mamaz I’m just going to read not post. I couldn’t find any posts by her in Kville. Maybe I should try KC, Mo? Per twitter… doh. 😉

      I was on a forum and befriended a woman. A month or two later she told me she had cancer. Over time she expanded her story to include an abusive husband. Then she was terminal. We had talked on the phone and I knew where she lived and it was a few states away. In my mind from what I’d been told, she was weak, very ill and terminal. Her husband was an ass.
      I could not imagine dying in such a sad situation. I talked to my partner and we decided we’d rescue this woman and deliver her to a local hospice when it was time.

      To shorten my story the woman made the whole thing up. I found out she had a history of this behavior. She had even been on a cancer support board and made friends there. Later she posted using her husband’s name and claimed she had died.

      That was her thing.
      Garnering sympathy whilst spinning a web of lies was how she spent her time. I was stunned. Seriously stunned.

      I’ve never forgotten the lesson I learned. I seriously am hard to get to know online. LOL

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        wow just wow

      • JazzNightOut says:

        Kat, how hard for you; I would have bought it too; I have bought sob stories, hook, line and sinker in real lie. I try to share very little about myself online. There can be a false intimacy that is easy because we don’t see each other. But there are things I wouldn’t tell my next door neighbor and when people share those things online, I wonder. Is there something wrong with me or am I self-protective in a healthy way? Some things just sound WRONG to share and it turns out every troll we have had here has done just that.

      • Zoey says:

        I can’t fathom these two stories, wow. Makes me feel very neive for being so trusting and accepting people for what they say. I don’t get what they get out of such a twisted game….wow.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Oh yeah, there are some strange “personalities” in networld. Some come not only with a complete front and backstory, they’ve even got pics of their “family” etc. to round out the picture.

      • MAMAZ says:

        Need A Hobby – Yeah my “friend” Marie had pics, with family and beautiful tender stories to tell. Nothing outlandish like kids in the basement, good grief! I was new in the area and thought I might have made a friend outside of the workplace. It was very hurtful. Even worse was that the man couldn’t understand why impersonating an African American woman was offensive even if he did have the best of intentions.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          I don’t understand why he would’t understand how wrong that was. Unbelievable. I’m sorry you had to deal with that. I wonder what he got out of it.

          • MAMAZ says:

            Thanks HWA. About him not understanding- I know, right?
            I tried to explain that as a woman I was offended that he actually thought he could speak for women in a woman’s voice. I can’t imagine how insulted I would have been if I was also African American. Some people have no clue!

    • klmh says:

      The stories from Mamaz and Kat open up another world for me. A month or so I was reading ROH and there was someone on there that was horrid. She was trying to defend Dina, who I have never bashed and actually defended, and she or rather it was using some weird fugmata etc language. I didn’t get bothered until it wrote about abusing a handicapped child in a basement. Well, I blew. It seemed like such a rare and cruel random attack about a totally different subject on a blog, but that’s where my problem begins, because I don’t post anywhere but here.
      I appreciate your stories ladies. Thanks

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        I member that my little fugmatta

      • quincyil says:

        I only post here and I won’t post elsewhere. On the Farscape board, there was a father of three who was a physician. I thought it was odd that he would ask simple things about medicine. He was a “male” partner in a lesbian relationship. I don’t know why she had to have a fake id. One day, she outed herself and then lashed out at everyone for no reason. Then she took over the board in a mean way. She had had a few disputes which seemed unreasonable to me earlier. I don’t think she was like these trolls because she was reasonable for a long time.

        • MAMAZ says:

          Kat – I’m sure she has changed her name on the Kirksville site by now. And that may not even be her town. It could just be a forum she was bashing for awhile, then she used it in her posts here.

          It looks like I’m not the only one to have been bamboozled on other forums. I’t amazing to me how many of you have similar stories. Kat, you and your partner are beautiful people. Your willingness to help a stranger is one of the kindest, most chartible things I’ve heard. As was Jean sending the wigs to justanothermary.
          Like quincy and klmh this is now the ONLY place I post. Lynn rules with a strong but tgentle hand, lol. It’s the safest forum I’ve ever seen.

          • JazzNightOut says:

            As far as I know, and I don’t know a lot, but having the rule Lynn has about not attacking fellow posters is unusual online. That she has it, and enforces it, is why I read and post here. That is a human value, and other bloggers are “personalities.” They are online to get attention. Lynn is not which is why she garners so much attention. I think we are all really lucky to hate Jill Zarin because we found perhaps one of the only safe blogs online.

            • OneMoreInBoston says:

              Interesting observation, I never thought of it like that. But you are absolutely right of course.

              • justanothermary says:

                Having shared my story here, it amazes me that some people could make up hard luck stories and use them to manipulate others. It’s an insult to this cancer patient that someone would fake such a terrible disease. It’s the sign of a truly sick mind.

              • JazzNightOut says:

                Justanothermary: putting my reply here cuz there is no reply on your comment.

                It is evil what they do; cancer is not a game at all.

      • klmh says:

        oh, an on occassion ROH.

  136. housewifeaddict says:

    Well this is scary:

    Kandi: Well, I would say as far as Kim is concerned, she’s not putting it on for the camera—when you see her on TV, she’s like that every day, even when the cameras aren’t around. Like she is reality TV Gold because you are not going to find another Kim or another NeNe, or even another Sheree anywhere you go.

    Full interview here:
    http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/atlanta-housewives-kandi-and-cynthia-offer-sex-tips/

  137. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @OneMoreinBoston
    SHUT THE FUCK UP! 😀 Oh my, I have tears running down my face from laughing so hard! But I have one question: who’s fake nails and weave were on the ground? Shoot, my shit is REAL! (Okay, sometimes I wear fake ponytails…but still)
    I’m gonna laugh all the way to my Zumba class now.
    SMOOCHES!

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      My weave, my fake nails from trying to break you two up. But I was no match for your superhuman strength.

  138. On the whole Phaedra lying about when her baby is due, just another example of why do people go on reality tv if they have things they want to hide?
    But besides that, I didn’t realize ’till I saw comments here, how upsetting her lie is to people in the medical profession, and parents of children born early.
    I”ve tried to look at the story from the point of view, that Phaedra was trying to protect her parent’s feelings with the lie. That maybe they are very old-fashioned and opinionated?
    Or maybe she was trying to protect her professional image, if she has been vocal about abstinence before marriage?
    But ultimately, the thing is that she is going to be a parent now, and I think that she does owe apologies to the viewing public, but I hope that now that she has had her baby, that she cares enough about his feelings to realize that her child will probably find out about this desperate attempt to hide the circumstances of his conception.
    Anyone who would go so far to deny an obvious truth, and involve an innocent baby in the lie, unless it was some misguided attempt to protect her baby’s reputation, is a liar.
    I cannot believe that she put her child in such a position without being considerate that he will someday see the shows, or hear about it from someone.
    I just hope that now that she is a mom, that she understands what she did to her own baby, and that she figures-out some way to make it up to him, or explain it to him before someone else tells him the story.
    Or, maybe she is just a very stupid woman? It wouldn’t be the first time that Bravo has presented us with an educated, credentialed woman, (like Kelly), only to show the viewers how stupid they really are.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Phaedra is trying to create a persona for her reality TV show. That persona of a Southern Belle, doesn’t fit with a woman who conceived a baby before marriage. When her co-stars started asking questions about her due date, she could either avoid the questions, or lie, to keep up with the persona she created. She lied, probably thinking it made for better TV. I doubt she expected the backlash – she probably was thinking the lie would cause more gossip (which it did) and give her airtime (which it did).

      I don’t think she’s stupid at all, but I also don’t think she gave much thought to how many people have delivered babies at 7 months and all of the serious issues they’ve had to work through as a consequence.

      This lie is in line with her other racist comments.

      She’s done a good job of stealing the show in Atlanta, which is a hard thing to do with the likes of Kim and NeNe. And she’s done a much better job than some (Kelly) of acting a part and sticking with her script. We’ll have to see how this works out for her.

  139. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @AZ Girl, I’m aware most of the $3200 comes from pledges. That’s still a lot of money. According to my math, unless you know some wealthy people, you will need approx 50+ pledgees and hope they all honor the committment. I take my hat off to all who do it. I just don’t have that kind of hustle in me. That’s why I stick to causes that don’t set minimums or no more than $500

  140. PleasehearmeoutB4Ujudge says:

    Test

  141. Adgirl says:

    I am repeating this from upthread because I am sure most of us have not read the Producers very juicy blog!!!

    Hey Everybody!
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    Must start reading the RHOBH Producers blog!!!

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    ………………………

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    Our producer explains that we’ll never know what really happened with Kyle and Camille, and why he’s glad.Well, let the drama begin, right? It’s funny how things happen in life-–and on a reality show. The argument between Kyle and Camille really developed out of a perfect storm of events coming together. (And there’s way more to come in next week’s episode.)

    First off, let me address the original conversation in Las Vegas that caused all the subsequent drama. I keep getting the question-–why didn’t we show that conversation? And did we choose not to show it to try and influence the audience to side with either lady?

    The simple answer is that we didn’t show that Las Vegas conversation because we didn’t shoot it. Other than Big Brother, which I worked on as a producer in season 2 (the Evil Dr. Will year), no other reality show I’m aware of shoots 24/7. It’s just too cost prohibitive. So it was my decision to choose to not shoot on our travel day back to Los Angeles–-and that’s the day the Kyle-Camille dispute happened.

    Did I make the wrong choice? The obvious answer would be yes. But the more I’ve thought about it, the more I think it was the best possible thing to happen to us. Allow me to explain.

    Producing a reality show is definitely a marathon and not a sprint. As the showrunner, it’s my job to make sure that both the cast and crew know that I have their backs and I am going to look out for their best interests at all times. I cannot stress that point enough. We worked for two incredibly long days shooting from morning till late at night. I needed to reward the team by letting them have a little time off to relax. And when I say “team,” I’m including the cast in that. I knew I was better served by letting them have some time off. Again, my team, both cast and crew, has to develop a trust in me. Because down the line, there are always going to be tough times, and if there is no trust established–-things completely fall apart.

    Secondly, the Vegas trip was still pretty early in our shooting schedule. Anyone who has seen a Housewives show knows they thrive on conflict. And I very much got the sense that our cast was willing to go there if they felt a genuine conflict…but it was also clear to me that no one wanted to be the first one to do it. So the conflict that wound up happening off-camera between Kyle and Camille –-I one hundred percent believe it never would’ve happened if cameras were rolling. And since this feud winds up twisting and turning and basically scorching through the rest of our season, the producer in me is very glad it happened!

    And finally, I’m thrilled we didn’t shoot it because things get so intense in this feud I am certain Kyle and Camille would’ve come to me at a certain point and said, “Can we just see the video so we can end this one and for all?”

    But that option was never possible, because no video of it ever existed. So did Kyle say what Camille thinks she did? I honestly don’t know, because I was about fifty yards away when the incident happened. I didn’t hear it. Neither did Lisa, or Adrienne, or Taylor, or any of the husbands. The only three people who witnessed that conversation are Kyle, Camille and Kim. And like the classic Japanese movie Rashomon (wow-–never thought I’d reference a Japanese movie in this blog!), each of the three women remembers it differently. So who’s right? And here’s the beauty, at least for the show, we’ll never know! Which is precisely why Kyle and Camille get so worked up about this issue–they both feel the need to prove themselves correct.

    Producing a reality show requires lots of skills. Sometimes, you need to be a therapist. Sometimes, you need to be the organizer. And sometimes, you need to have a little ESP. Since Lisa, Kyle, Kim and Taylor flew to New York on our first day of shooting there, we thought they’d be tired and the shoot day would end in that hotel suite. But a funny thing happened. Kyle pulled Camille to the private bedroom to “clear the air,” which they presumably did. It was after 11 p.m. and the next night was Kelsey’s premiere, so we figured that would be the late night. Nope. After the “clearing the air” talk, the ladies all surprised us by deciding they wanted a cocktail and some late night dinner. Trouble was, our crew was scheduled to wrap. We didn’t have a restaurant cleared. And while all the ladies were smiling and happy, the little voice in the back of my head started talking to me.

    “This isn’t over. This is gonna blow. And it’s gonna blow big!”

    I convinced the ladies to go freshen up, which gave us approximately 15 minutes to find a restaurant that would allow us to film and set up a few lights, all the while convincing my Line Producer Dave Patry (who handles the budget) that I wasn’t crazy and this would be worth all the overtime we’d wrack up.

    Cut to fifteen minutes later. My ridiculously talented Senior Segment Producer Ken Schoech had somehow convinced a restaurant that was about to close to let us shoot there. My immensely talented Director of Photography Matt Valentine was doing his best to light an incredibly dark room. The ladies started arriving-–and just like the little voice in my head predicted-–the smiles had disappeared. Camille was angry, and so was Kyle. I literally used every person I could to try and keep the women separated. But once I realized we couldn’t stop the eruption from happening, I remember shouting on the walkie, “Stop lighting! We need to shoot! NOW!”

    Three hours of overtime later, we finished shooting one of the most intense and pivotal events of season one.

    Not that my work night was over. Far from it. But I think I will save the story of one of the strangest nights of my career for next week’s blog.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      After reading the producer’s blog yesterday and watching the Kyle vs Camielle fight set up it was really obvious to be that Kim talked out of turn and put Kyle in a bad place. Taylor seems to know it and that is why she called Kim out. IMHO the biggest fight won’t be Kyle vs Camielle – it will be going after her sister!

      • klmh says:

        Love a twist or two in the tale, don’t we all?

        • housewifeaddict says:

          What are you seeing that I’m not about Kim? Other than she witnessed the initial conversation, she was never alone with Camille.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            IMO – Kim told Taylor what Kyle said (during and after) the Las Vegas trip convo with Camielle. Taylor said something to Camielle about her strange convo with Kim. Kim is freaking out because she knows that Taylor said something to Camielle – and she is going to have to explain to her sister why she told Taylor!

  142. Wall St Lady says:

    Am I the only one who has noticed what I think there is an elephant in the middle of the blog ? (This has NOTHINg to do w/WSB)

  143. jeang says:

    Talk about being obvious. Add dumb and stupid as well. WE are ready and prepared with our queen and all the princesses too.

  144. Adgirl says:

    Re: Producers blog on bravotv.com
    FIGHT LASTS ALL SEASON
    I think Everyone will be involved in an epic fight that runs on & on all season!!
    Taylor is an instigator (why did Camille get riled up all over again?) and Kim obviously heard the original Kyle/Camille convo but doesn’t really recall what was said!

    Camille is a nasty peice of work but why didn’t Kyle just excuse herself and leave the table at dinner instead of screaming at Camille?? That made her look very bad.

    Lisa and Adrienne will try to make peace between the parties but I think will be sucked into the mess.

    This makes the Jill/Bethenny, Teresa/Danielle, Kim/NeNe
    feuds tiney when you consider how wealthy these ladies are.
    Lisa wants peace and Adrienne fortunately wasn’t present for the dinner & show. Poor Adrienne, she probably wants out of the foolishness.

  145. Dawn says:

    Interesting information contained in this blog about Sonya from RHONY owing over 7 million to a production company for breach of contract. Don’t recall reading that anywhere else but maybe that information was discussed here before and I missed it? Article postulates she may be doing the show because of the debt.
    http://realestalker.blogspot.com/2010/04/sonja-morgans-townhouse-on-then-off.html

  146. Wall St Lady says:

    NewMexicopapercake is odd.

    Or is it just me being parnoid ?

  147. California35 says:

    Hi everyone!

    I am not too late, I think. I am busy with my house shores, I have no maid or house manager 😛 so I take care of my shores on the weekend.

    I am on my computer this time, so hopefully less weird words 🙂

    It is windy here, how is the weather where you are? It is also a bit cool, but I am not feeling that since I am runing around cleaning house.

  148. TrueLifeDiva says:

    On the Ellyptical grooving to “Let’s work” by Prince. Good times 😉

    • Kat says:

      I’m listening to Sympathy for the Devil and then Levon.
      I hear coyotes howling at the moon, so I’m turning up my music’s volume.
      Quiet co-existance until it isn’t. 2-3 weeks maybe.

  149. WindyCityWondering says:

    @Boston – I have been watching Kyle and she does do mean – that said, it isn’t the Jill Zarin kind but more like the Salahi kind – razor blades wrapped in roses!

  150. boston02127 says:

    The blog is rolling very slowwwwwwww.

  151. HD says:

    Hey, everyone. I was just wating a little of RHBH, and I saw that part again with Russell and his wife. (I think her name is Taylor). The part that intrigued me was when he pulled her away to “go get something to eat”. Okay…I thought they just had dinner before the concert. At any rate, what do you think is up with him? He kept looking over at her and didn’t seem to really like her being with the other women.

    • Adgirl says:

      I thought A) he was watching her pouring champagne and maybe she gets too drinkie poo (ever hear of alcoh-rexics?) or B) maybe he felt bad about skipping out on the business trip and decided to have some couple time.
      I’m not ready to say he is a jerk just because he isn’t as warm as the other guys. My man is a nerd too.

    • AZ Girl says:

      I have the impression from that scene that he does not like the drinking. He has Taylor on a short leash when he is around. That is why he was so pissed at the birthday party. He had no control over the over-the-top event. I think Russell is having financial problems or he would not have agreed to be filmed.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO, Russell isn’t into the BH lifestyle and gets somewhat embarrassed by his wife’s over the top spending. But pulling her away from the girls was just a show of domination in the relationship. I don’t dislike him and I think he is tolerating the whole RHOBH experience because Taylor needs it.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      They did eat early – maybe he was hungry. He’s beginning to grow on me – he seems sort of normal.

      • vilzvet says:

        I did like that at the guys’ outing he said he was going to turn over a new leaf and follow Lisa’s husband’s advice of not going to bed angry.

    • boston02127 says:

      He can probably only look at her face for so long each day.

  152. California35 says:

    HD
    I noticed that too…as if they will be bad influence on her. It could be too that he was just not comfortable with the guys he doesn’t know yet. On that episode, she talked as if he counted on her for everything like she is his assistant. This event was going to be about her or because of her, and he didn’t like that at all.

  153. Adgirl says:

    Hey WSL about WileyWeed and SantaFeCrow I have a confession to make!

    When you first started posting on this board I was skeptical about you! I watch and wonder when new posters jump in at length and with a lot of personal info or fabulous andecdotes!

    But you won me over!!

    Adgirls Troll detector:
    First posting – I am new here!
    Second posting – 4 paragraphs about their Lifetime special life disclosing they suffer from X disease or have won the Nobel Prize. Or they won Nobel Prize for curing their disease.
    Third posting – attack mode.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Do they attack because we don’t try to cure their disease? Or because we don’t mention our Nobel Prizes when we do?

      • Adgirl says:

        Ha! Maybe they are using Lynn’s site as a petrie dish for their world saving research into ridding the world of internet troll haters.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Well I have decided that I won’t ever understand Trolls or why they do what they do. I will not bait them and will try to ignore them. What I have learned is they are not allowed to mess with our LynnFam because together we are stronger than they could ever dream of being.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        okay- no joke- I really did Laugh Out Loud at this one! you are getting quite a sense of humor! or maybe it was there all the time and you just were too sick to let it out?
        In any event, I just luvs it!

        • JazzNightOut says:

          Having had breast cancer twice in the last year really put a dent in my sense of humor; went into a huge depression. I am regaining it and my vitality by taking an anti-depressent (sp?). I tell my sister that my personality comes in pill form now.

          • AZ Girl says:

            Stay strong. Lynn’s family has your back.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            could you pass the bottle over here?

          • MAMAZ says:

            You’re ok now Jazz? Health wise?
            My personality sometimes comes from a bottle to. A bottle of vodka!

            • MAMAZ says:

              That should have been too as in also!

              I’m not going to apologize for my typos anymore. There are too many of them.

          • housewifeaddict says:

            @ Jazz – I hope this blog provides some comic relief for you 🙂 We’ll do our best to keep your mind off the real stuff. Stay strong.

            • JazzNightOut says:

              Thanks everyone; this blog is great for many, many reasons. I was/am very, very lucky; my BC was caught at Stage O and Stage 1. Found first in my left breast and then in my right. Finished treatment on left and then had to start again on the right. At one point I felt that if I heard that diagnosis again, I would just walk into traffic. I had little resilliance left.

              Because I am so, so lucky, I didn’t understand why I was depressed. But cancer and its treatment can be a knock in the gut, and I grieved and grieved. I am and intend to stay well. My prognosis is good. The depression actually was worse for me than the cancer. Many have it worse that I have, and I feel guilty for being depressed when I should be grateful. But I did. It ain’t fair but it is life. Going to stop now, but thank you for your concern.

  154. Nappykink says:

    Hope this makes you all chuckle:

    I’m not new. I’ve been hovering since the hubpages days. Was there one before that? I feel like this blog has moved so many times…

    I don’t generally have witty anecdotes.

    I’m healthy.

    I don’t have any major awards to speak of.

    I found the site by googling ‘i hate jill zarin’

  155. I am sorry but Taylor’s lips ruin this whole show for me. It would be one thing if she had been born like that, or been tragically disfigured in an accident, but she did this to herself on purpose. Just horrible. Adrienne’s lips are awful as well. I wonder if they will ever come to their senses like Dr. Frank Ryan’s patients did after he died?

    Personally, I think that Taylor’s husband is very attractive. I don’t know why Lisa had to make those comments.

    • MAMAZ says:

      Her appearance is freakish.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kim and Kyle look the most normal to me – Taylor’s lips and Camielle’s cheekbones are a couple of sizes too big. Guess it is like Teresa saying she only wanted B sized boobs and came out with Ds…..

  156. AZ Girl says:

    Just got back from a Chili and Chocolate festival. Yummy! If you have not had good dark chocolate laced with chili powder I suggest you try it. Wash it down with a Corona and I truly believe it will give you a “moment”. HA!!!

    • That sounds really delicious. I’ve been experimenting with making my own facial treatments, and for some reason, it also sounds like it would make a great beauty-mask. Minus the Corona of course, unless I drank that while letting the potion sink-in.

      • AZ Girl says:

        Be careful..Chili power or even its oils will burn A LOT on your skin and eyes…. stick with the Chocolate only….

  157. California35 says:

    LOL -yeah those lips :-/

    Maybe Taylor talked very highly of him and so Lisa expected more. I dont think he is ugly either.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I may eat my words, but as of now Lisa sees pretty nice, just witty and sarcastic, so I’m going to take in the context of how she said it – that Taylor had said her husband was a big, good looking, Texan (one of those larger than life personalities), and then in walked Russell. It was probably the contrast between vision and reality she was reacting to. I mean she has never snarked on Paul, and he’s a big goof ball.

  158. emily says:

    From Reality Tea – Reality Stars’ Week In Photos – November 13! http://t.co/RpNeyGq

    the first picture is the rhony and i love Alex’s dress. I can’t say the same about the rest of the ladies.

    I wonder how Alex is doing in Morocco with everyone? Hopefully this isn’t a repeat of Scary Island and Sonja and Ramona are there to even out the cray cray.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I think Ramona will be like a bulldog to defend Alex, but more than anything I hope LuAnn is neutral if not nice, and Jill doesn’t grind any axes. Poor Alex and her hives. She seems to be able to take it, but clearly she’s just as human as the rest of us.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        Kelly seems overdressed. Strange – usually she wears mini minis.

        • emily says:

          in that first pic, they were at a fashion show in which Kirazy walked, so probably the designer dressed her.

          There are some great pics of her if you scroll down which showcase her “trendsetter” style.

          • housewifeaddict says:

            Oh yes – I should have read the paragraph underneath. I’ve always wondered how they walk in heels and dresses like that without stumbling.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            ok- that clears up the little mystery!

            Camille looks very very tough.

            Love Brandy’s green dress.

            Are the Kardashian’s breasts taking over the world? Just wondering?

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          Waaayyy down they showed her again with Luann- who is wearing the same outfit and Kelly is in more street clothes.

          TeriJon has some pretty formal things, maybe Kelly was modelling?

          Jill must have read my comments to wear black tights LOL- but they don’t really look right with this dress either. The dress is pretty though. It just photographs sort of charcol grey.

          Alex looks great! I would have liked to have seen her shoes, the little glimpse we got of the top looks interesting. she looks very happy and rested. maybe because she’s next to Luann and Ramona and as far away from the kraykray as she can get!

          I wonder if Simon styles her? Or if she styles herself and he nixes what doesn’t work for her? Maybe she should send him over to Jill”s house!

          Where is her gay husband? She was looking better when he was around-now not so much.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            Jill’s gay husband- not Alex’s gay husband. I thought we put those rumors to rest! sheesh!

            • housewifeaddict says:

              Alex looks really good in those photos. Doesn’t Alex have a gay husband too? Her “Day Gay” which I feel safe typing because I read in an interview he didn’t find the term offensive. And Simon was her “Night – cough – Guy” LOL

    • emily says:

      From the comments section about JZ’s ensemble. i HAD to share 🙂

      “You can tell Jill tried to make her own outfit even thought she obviously can’t sew. Maybe Saks cut her off after her “friendly fraud” type returns…wear/return…wear/return. Cute!

      Maybe you can start your own label, Jill. Call it “Susan Saunders NYC.” “

      • housewifeaddict says:

        I like Bethenny, but that suit she’s wearing half way down the photos with her boob and bra hanging out is a strange choice.

        LuAnn looks like she’s wearing the same outfit in the top photo as one way further down at another event. (Which is probably a good thing – why should they buy a new outfit for each event :))

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          I thought it was the same event? Teri Jon fashion show 2011?

          • emily says:

            True, but in housewifeaddict’s defense, Luann IS guilty of repeating her outfits.

            But as far as I know, Luann doesn’t wear/return to Sak’s….

            because she gets such a discount picking thru her friends’ donations to the upscale 2nd hand shop.

            snark snark

          • housewifeaddict says:

            Oh my bad. I was thrown off by Kelly changing. I guess there is no way they’d wear the same outfit twice LOL.

            • MAMAZ says:

              I like LuAnn’s dress but the boots on her are getting old. With that dress she should have gone with a pair of patterened tights.

  159. WindyCityWondering says:

    Camielle eyes get buggy when she lies! She doesn’t like to be called out for it either.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Oh, now that is a very interesting observation. I commented a day or so ago about the odd, changing appearance of Camille’s eyes during the confrontation at the meal. I think you just hit the nail on the head.

  160. justanothermary says:

    OT so please indulge me.

    It’s been snowing here all day, we have about 8 inches on the ground and we have suddenly turned into a winter wonderland. The really cool thing was about 5:00 this morning. We had what’s called tundersnow. The snow was floating down, twisting and twirling on it’s way, the thunder rolled in the background then we’d get a bust of lightening. The whole sky would light up in the blink of an eye as the lightening reflected of the new snow. It’s really something to see.

    • MAMAZ says:

      I wish I could see that, it sounds beautiful.

    • skogsstig says:

      What a wonderful, visual description! (Wish I was there with my camera…)

      • housewifeaddict says:

        Wow – thanks for painting that picture. I grew up with snow. Now we get a quarter inch once a year. I grow into a kid again when it arrives.

        • justanothermary says:

          It’s my puppy’s, Tucker, first snow. There was just enough breeze so that the large flakes danced their way to the ground. Tucker was grabbing them and wrestling them to the ground. It was hysterical.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Don’t you love the first snow of the season? Thundersnow is hard to describe but you did it so well! So glad Tucker likes snow – watching dogs play in the snow is always entertaining.

  161. AZ Girl says:

    O.k. I am caught up now. Camille is Kelly B crazy. Kelsey Grammer is repulsed by his own wife and Camille is just freaking delusional.. I was waiting for “stop, stop,stop scene with Bethenny and Kelly.

    • AZ Girl says:

      I have been re-evaluating this episode and Camille is not Kelly she is Micheale Salahi. Messed up inside but this happy facade outside which is just weird.

  162. skogsstig says:

    Delurking for a bit – have been reading since the Hub pages, and commented rarely.

    For your reading pleasure:
    http://www.stylelist.com/2010/11/08/isaac-mizrahi-fashion-show-ultimate-collection-iman-real-housewives/
    (SL = Style List, IM = Isaac Mizrahi)
    Excerpt:
    >>
    SL: You have a “Real Housewives of New Jersey” versus the “Real Housewives of Orange County” challenge. Was it a fashion smackdown?
    IM: It was so fabulous and a great leveler for the contestants because as amazing as these ladies are, they are not models. They have a slightly bigger body, and let’s face it, there’s a lot of enhancement. They are average women with larger than average breasts, egos, and personalities.

    SL: Do you have a favorite “Real Housewives” outpost?
    IM: New York. There’s just this smart balance of high glamour and low glamour. When everyone looks like Charo, it’s boring.<<

    Great snark, IM. 😉

    • housewifeaddict says:

      That is funny. But true. “They are average women with larger than average breasts, egos, and personalities.” LOL

  163. TrueLifeDiva the troll slayer says:

    @OneMoreinBoston
    We have been engaged for a while now and are set to marry soon in 2030. I have been waiting for the Guidice Estate Auction so I can get that gorgeous ring from Italy and place it on your dainty finger. After reading that beautiful love letter you wrote to me this morning, my heart swelled with love for you all over again. After my Zumba class and personal Sweating To The 80’s workout I decided to show my love for you in return. In the same mall that my 24hr fitness is in is a high end accessory store called “Icing”. I picked this beautiful ring out for you there. It’s not even on sale or nothing! I’m willing to shell out full retail price for you. Now the salesgirl will only hold this ring for 24hrs before she puts it back on the rack with the 20 others they have right now. What do you say?

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Bedtimes stories and romance! Waiting to see what happens next…

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Well I’m blushing! (is the icing still in business?)

      But you did swear to me that night, (you remember- THAT night, that if I YOU KNOW WHAT to you) I would get my green Venetian glass ring purchased with taxpayer’s money across the street from Chanells in It-ly. I’m holding you to that promise. It’s the green glass venetian ring or nothing. I can wait until 2030.

      The way this bankruptcy is going I think I’m going to have to.

      • TrueLifeDiva the troll slayer says:

        Yes, Icing is STILL around. Maybe the last one is here in San Diego ;-). I would go to Italy and buy another Green Carnival Glass Grape Cluster ring for you from Channels but Italy is closed right now…. I thought the Lucite Flower ring would be symbolic of the shoes you like me to wear on the stripper pole ;-). Ain’t I thoughtful honey, ain’t I?

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          umm, I really thought that was a sacred ritual shared only between us within the sanctity of our very own stripper lair.

          • TrueLifeDiva the troll slayer says:

            I’ve been visiting Coco T’s website and learning new ways to camouflage my middle age spread. Stripper poles, Lucite everything, Spandex everything, and corsets are our secrets. Only you and me know about that….shh! The rest of the world only knows about the shoes;-)

  164. housewifeaddict says:

    Wow – Kim G did the Kardashian’s a real favor according to this article – snark – but becoming the celebrity attraction, when they bailed out of an event fans paid $30 to see them at.

    http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/movies/kardashian-mess-cleaned-up-by-kim-granatell-of-the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey

    Kim saved the day by posing for autographs and photos with fans, even using her new catch phrase “square tits” to delight the crowd. Urgh. This woman is a mess – not a hot mess – just a mess.

  165. boston02127 says:

    @TrueLifeDiva the troll slayer—here’s some help.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      ok now you ruined my Christmas surprise.
      thanks alot

    • TrueLifeDiva the troll slayer says:

      That is SO going to be my next avatar!

      • JazzNightOut says:

        If we all use it as our avatars, do you think we will be troll free or will it look like a challenge?

        • TrueLifeDiva the troll slayer says:

          Back off sister! I called it first, it’s mine!!!!!

          • JazzNightOut says:

            Now wait a minute, sweetheart. If you scroll back to 3:20pm today, you will see that I have a can of troll spray at the ready.

            I will, however, let you use it as an avatar. My cat is all the protection I need. Her breath will do it.

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  167. KellitaM says:

    Just saw a 70’s white stretch limo at our friendly neighborhood Marathon station. Wonder if the Salahi’s are in my town?? 😉

  168. Dawn says:

    Looks like the gravy train for RHOA Kim has ground to a halt.
    http://www.accessatlanta.com/celebrities-tv/lights-out-at-union-714367.html
    Big Poppa money woes. Mall owned by him has lights turned out due to nonpayment of electric bill. House in Forsyth Co. in foreclosure and elsewhere owes more than quarter of a million dollars in back taxes.

  169. TrueLifeDiva the troll slayer says:

    On my way over to the new blog now….

  170. Dawn says:

    Lynn should be attending the MS Cocktails for a Cause in Chicago this evening hosted by Multiple Solutions. Michaele Salahi was the special guest at a VIP reception. Maybe it’s no too late 😉

    http://michaelesalahi.com/news/index.cfm?newsID=8

  171. housewifeaddict says:

    Great blog as usual.

    Hmmm no Ramona on the Morocco trip. I hope she manages to join them – as she’s able to keep Jill in check a little.

    I actually found the Perez article fairly sane – and some of the stuff he’s written about Jill hasn’t been flattering – I guess I assumed that because Bethenny called him out on RHWNY that he’s be snarking on her – but maybe I’ll start reading him again.

    Whoo hoo on your comments. I guess we all love hanging out here!

  172. amy says:

    Camille’s a mix of Kelly and Jill. Irrational and cruel. She has that annoying voice and she’s scary. Remember how Kyle feared for her husbands business being hurt by Camille. I worry that this insane spoiled brat is vengeful.

  173. Tuzentswurth says:

    No time to read all comments so I’m not sure if anyone brought this up, but Adrienne’s husband was at the dinner with the guys discussing if they missed their wives, so this crap all has to be set up and filmed completely out of sequence. Adrienne didn’t go due to the death of her uncle. The producer’s must have forgotten this, figured no one would notice, or said, screw it, run it anyway ’cause we have a cheap production budget.

    • KellitaM says:

      A couple people mentioned this upthread. We’re also speculating that they filmed out of sequence. Another manipulation by Bravo!

  174. missmi says:

    Camille is a horrible woman and I believe diabolical. I think she picked on Kyle because as Kyle stated. Her husband does work for Kelsey and they cannot afford to lose as a client. Camille said point blank that she is VERY shy and does not feel like she is aprt of the group. That is a form of INSECURITY. Get over yourself and quit trying to sound like a victim. She is pathological and I agree that the creepy crap about winning the fight was bizarre. She is far more dangerous than Kelly ever could be, simply because she has the ability to sit there and stay calm and continue to state lies. Kelly ended up going crazy on camera.

    • 2Stupid says:

      Lynn,
      I didn’t know where to comment regarding the blogspot blog to all your posters. I have actually been reading you since you were a guest on your friend’s blog. This is a new experience for me, but I consider this a community of great minds. I really gain alot from all the posters here. Howvever, I don’t know much about blogs, but I don’t many people that would personally thank all their regular posters. This is a shining example of what sets you apart from other reality bloggers. Also, the fact that you promote so many other people’s blogs shows how generous you are. If BRAVO was smart they would take notice, of how many people visit your blogs, and check our pulse to see what is working and what is not. I really think JZ realizes you have an affect on her presence on RHNY.

      Thanks for the special note.

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