IHJZ The Fashion Show / Millionaire Matchmaker Guest Blog

I Hate Jill Zarin Millionaire Matchmaker / The Fashion Show Guest Blogs

Today we have our usual Wednesday morning treat, our guest blog from Quincy IL of The Fashion Show and Millionaire Matchmaker. A bit of a twist this week, I did write my thoughts on The Fashion Show, only because it featured the Real Housewives did I feel the need to add my two cents so an extra long IHJZ entry today with three full blogs for the price of one…

The Fashion Show Week Five by Quincy IL

Dominique is melancholy. She spoke up last week to save David, her love, and her friend Ro was sent home. The House of Nami is depressed. The House of Emerald is on a high, laughing and smiling. It’s morning and there is a note from Isaac under the door. They are to go to the Upper East Side to a restaurant called Danielle where elegant ladies meet to discuss what they are going to wear to the Opening of the Met or a NYC Gala.

The teams enter the restaurant where the notice women sitting at tables with their backs to the camera. Isaac tells them that they are to design for out of town women who want to fit in with NYC fashion. Caser feels he has the advantage because gowns are not a problem for him. Dominique is worried. She designs shorter dresses.

The Twist

Issac tells the two teams that they are going to design for “real” women, not models. (“Real?” That’s a stretch of the truth, Isaac.) He introduces the Real Housewives of Orange County and the Real Housewives of New Jersey. Calvin tells us, “ I don’t work with real clients because they can be bitchy.” Calvin looks over the women and says that one side sparkles with blond hair and the other side is dark hair. He says, “All about bosom and bosom some more.” Isaac speaks to the NJ housewives and says, “Don’t think that the irony of the name of the restaurant, Danielle, is lost on me. The NJ housewives act coy. Dina only smiles, but Jacqueline says, “Danielle, who?” several times while laughing. Jeffrey tells us that these are women who know what they want and get what they want. We also learn that the idea from this challenge comes from a dress down article from “Harper’s Bazaar” on the NY City RH and we are shown a photo of the women in long dark/black gowns on glamorous couches with their hair on top of their heads. Bethenny is in the center it looks like the season two cast. Cesar tells us that this is a West Coast/East Coast challenge. He watches the Real Housewives series and knows the women. He says NJ will be hard to deal with so his team requests OC. Calvin watches the Housewifes series too and he says, “New Jersey don’t need to dress up, need to class up.”

Client Interviews

The designers have 30 minutes to meet with the ladies and get a sense of the gowns they would like to wear to a gala in NYC. (Not one of those ladies would go to the Opening of the Met it seems.)

The House of Emerald : Jeffrey has Lynn. He looks at her body and decides to cover up flesh. He talks about sleeves and the lines of the gown. (Jeffrey does not watch OC because he has no idea of Lynn’s fashion sense.) Cesar has Ashley, Laurie’s daughter, who has real and large breasts. He tells us that a dress for Ashley will be more difficult as she will need a lot of support to hold the breasts up. He thinks there should be a hour glass look with a corset. Gonessa has Gretchen who has brought her own drawings. Gonessa thinks this might be a problem. Gonessa measures Gretchen and is impressed that her measurements at the same size as her mannequin which was set up for her model Gretchen is pleased to hear this. (Trouble coming.) Cindy has Laurie and their conversation about design goes well. Laurie likes lots of cleavage, but Cindy will tone that down.

The House of Nami: Eduardo has Dina who has difficulty understanding his fashion design terms and his Peruvian accent so she makes fun of both. She asks if he is designing for an animal and laughs. (She is trying to be humorous.) Dominique meets with Jacqueline who hates her own arms, doesn’t want to show cellulite and tells Dominique that you have to make her look good on the runway because “we ate the ones who have to walk out there.” David meets with Caroline. David has a great love for his mother and grandmother. They taught him how to sew. David tells Caroline says, “You have the same figure as my mother. Caroline dead pans. She is obviously upset. David tries to fix this and says, “but not as much breast.” Caroline tells the camera, “I almost wish I had Teresa’s designer.” (That would be Calvin.) Teresa tells Calvin that she likes green She likes to be different. She wants her butt and breast to show. Calvin talks about a mermaid dress. When discussing the cloth, Calvin says to Teresa that he will use “silk charmouse.” Teresa doesn’t understand and she cannot pronounce “charmouse.” Teresa is happy. She wants the most fabulous dress and she wants to win.

Mood Boards and Presentation to Isaac

The teams are given 30 minutes in their work space to come up with mood boards for their collections.

The House of Nami seems to be in disarray. David tells us that Eduardo is off in his own world, that Dominique is depressed that Ro was “out of fashion,” and Calvin is Calvin (not a team player.) Calvin has a lot to say about the design that David offers to Isaac. He says, “Caroline don’t show her back because of age, look very, very slutty.” Isaac seems to like the suggestions that Calvin has for David’s dress. David does not want help from Calvin. He tells us that Caroline has very flat shoulders (Where have I heard that before?) The colors that they chose were jewel tones from the sea, greens and blues. Calvin tells us that darker colors will flatter the darker skins of the NJ ladies.

The House of Emerald is on a high. They chose golds and light colors. Isaac tells them to be careful and points out a yellow gold cloth that looks cheap.


Each designer is given 100 dollars. As usual, they combine their funds and share materials. Team Emerald finds silk jerseys in the right tones. Team Nami has 3 blues and one green that everyone but David thinks is wrong for the collection. Dominique describes the green as cheap and “leprechaunish.” The team gives in and David buys that green cloth.

Design Day 1

House of Emerald: Cesar tells us that Onessa doesn’t drape, cut or sew well. Cindy does not like Cesar telling Onessa what to do. Cindy and Onessa have worked together for years and are best friends. Cindy said that Onessa knows how to do these things. Jeffrey lives in NY and he knows that NY fashions are different from Hollywood. Gretchen wants to show off her figure especially her perfect mannequin rear so Onessa makes the silk jersey skin tight according to Grethchen’s measurements taken in a slinky gown.

House of Nami: Dina usually wears cocktail dresses. Eduardo thinks it will be a challenge to make her figure fit a long gown. He creates the upper dress and then waist line area, then drapes. David is really worried about Caroline’s shape. He mentions his models mannequin several times. Caroline’s body scares David. Caroline is short with large breasts. David is upset. Calvin comes to David to help him and ends up yelling that David needs to give more support for the breasts. Calvin has finished his dress and is bored. He decides to make another dress for fun. Teresa is getting two designer dresses.

Fitting the Housewives

House of Emerald: Gretchen arrives and she points out the dresses that she hopes is not hers. Lynn doesn’t like her dress, she has never chosen that color before, and there is too much cloth. When the dress goes on Lynn she is really upset and pretends she can’t breathe. This is the kind of top that Lynn wears when she is running. Jeffrey takes a scissors and carefully cuts down the front of the dress and folds back the cloth exposing breasts. Lynn can breathe again. The OC ladies all say that this looks better. Breast tissue is properly exposed. Jeffrey tells us in interview that Lynn wanted to be naked.
Cesar likes his dress on Ashley. The dress holds up her large, natural breasts. Caser feels his task is complete. Cindy helps Laurie into her dress and Laurie loves it. It shows her figure and is the perfect color. Laurie says that she could win an Oscar in that dress. Onessa shyly helps Gretchen into the skin tight dress and Gretchen is pleased. Then, Gretchen walks and rips the silk jersey seam on the left side of her hip. Gretchen firmly tells Onessa, the designer, “Make sure it looks good whatever you are trying to do.” Gretchen is not pleased now. In the line up for the fashion show, the dresses look cohesive and other than showing Gretchen’s white lace underwear and hip skin, everything is great.

House of Nami: Dominique helps Jacqueline into the modest dress that she asked for. The dress looks like a design for a servant’s dress from the 1600’s. It does not show cellulite, arms or breasts. That is what Jacqueline wanted, but you can tell she does not like the dress. Calvin helps Teresa into the first designer dress. Dina thinks the dress looks like something from Scores, a strip club. Jacquelline says, “Ask Danielle.” Thus the tone is set for the NJ Fashion Show. Teresa tries on the second dress and it is more dramatic. Teresa would like the first dress in the color of the second dress and Calvin freaks out. He says that he is the designer and she will wear the first dress. In an interview, Calvin says, “These women are not mannequins.” David’s dress is very green and has a wing on the back of the left shoulder. Dina says that Caroline looks like Peter Pan. Steam comes from Caroline’s nostrils. David is in trouble. His green color does not go with the collection and it looks awful on Caroline with her very red hair.

Back to work

House of Nami: Dominque is in tears. Nami is falling apart. Calvin asks if there is enough cloth to make another dress. David is now freaking out. Dominque and Eduardo change their plans and give David some chiffon in their colors and they decided to cover the first dress with cloth that will cover the green and help the collection cohesiveness.
Eduardo helps David. Then, Calvin tries to help with the zipper area in back. David freak. Calvin freaks. Dominique cries.

House of Emerald: Jeffrey hates the neckline that Lynn insisted on and he is worried. Gonessa adds cloth to the Gretchen hip tears. She says that something was wrong with Gretchen’s measurements, Onessa thinks that either the silk shrunk of Gretchen is not mannequin size. Onessa adds cloth, but the it looks like a vagina on her Gretchen’s side.

The Fashion Show

The House of Nami: Dominique is upset over David’s dress. Caroline loves David’s dress which has blue chiffon over the emerald green dress and is missing the wings in back. It looks great on Caroline too. The ladies (of both houses) look like the rest of us before makeup and hair. Caroline and Calvin get into a fight. Caroline is in a chair when Calvin tells us his blood is beginning to boil. Caroline tells Calvin, “Look at me, look at me.” She wants to give Calvin her demands. She tells us in interview that “Calvin is an ass.”

House of Emerald: Laurie is to walk first. She loves her dress and walks like a model. The music is from the Met. Lynn is the second to walk. She turns and the camera focuses on the folds of skin hanging on her lower back. Dina is shown on camera announcing that “her beams were showing.” This doesn’t fit, but is Bravo editing at its very best. Gretchen walks and appears happy. Ashley walks last. They line up on the side of the stage. We are told they look like “Barbie Dolls.”

The House of Nami: the designers have watched the OC ladies and they think they have lost. The music comes on and it’s burlesque. An arm comes onto the stage like Gypsy Rose Lee. The arm belongs to Teresa and she looks gorgeous. She walks with a strut and shows her stuff. She sits on a long couch. Jacqueline comes out with two men in tuxedoes and she walks. Caroline walks and sits with her head turned. Dina is the last. She walks with a hand on her hip. The NJ girls were given the instructions to be gentile and the NJ gentile rocked it with the audience. The designers are shocked and happy. The NJ girls saved them.


Before the Judges make their decision, they want to hear from each house wife. That is why this show was 75 minutes and this guest blog is very long.

House of Emerald: Isaac tell us that the colors were perfect and designs reflected High Society. Jeffry tells the judges that he wanted a high neckline, but Lynn did not. Isaac tells Jeffrey that he should have explained to Lynn that a high neckline was better for Lynn. Lynn would wear the dress to a pool party, but the judges tell her that the goal was not attire for a pool party. Cesar’s dress for Ashley was “Scarlett O’Hara.” The judges pointed out the odd hemline and the unfinished petticoat. Cesar is told to pick a design that he can finish in the allotted time. Gonessa is told that the top of Gretchen’s dress is exquisite, but the bottom is terrible. Isaac asks about the odd seam on the hip. Gretchen tells the judges that she had spanx on during the measurements and the judges gasp. Cindy’s dress for Laurie was loved by the judges. The mention the strength, fluidity, and proportions. However, the length was not correct.

House of Nami: Calvin describes Teresa’s dress. He tells the judges that Teresa is confident like himself. The judges like the bodice, but hate what was happening at the hip. Teresa tries to pull it down, but that does not help. Dominique describes Jacqueline’s dress as modest and classic, but the judges think it is meek and that the dress did not show well. (It looked like a milk maid outfit to me.) David’s chaffon covered Peter Pan dress was a hit. The judges remarked on how the green underdress and blue chiffon over dress shimmered in the lights. Eduardo’s dress for Dina was perfect for her body and hips. The judges loved the materials. They loved the design. However, Isaac asked if they had seen this before. Eduardo is told to go out of his box.

Winners and Losers

The winning team is the House of Nami. The judges love David’s two layered dress worn by Caroline and Eduardo’s dress for Dina. Dina’s dress is chosen as the winner and she kisses Eduardo. Eduardo now has 1500 extra for materials if he makes the finals.

The losing team is the House of Emerald. The judges single out Jeffry’s dress for Lynn and Gonessa’s dress for Gretchen. The judges like Cindy’s dress for Laurie the most. The judges are not enthusiastic about Cesar’s dress for Ashley, but he is given a pass. Jeffrey and Gonessa stand on stage. Gonessa is told “ You are out of fashion.” Gonessa hugs Jeffrey and then cries in the arms of Cindy her partner and good friend. She cries in the exit interview, but says she is still there with Cindy. She takes her things and leaves.

Millionaire Matchmaker By Quincy IL

Patti and Powerful New York Women

We open with Patti’s fabulous life and a party for her fabulous friends which include Jill and Bobby Zarin. Jill suggests that Patti find someone for their good friend, Judith Regan, who was a book publicist and has become extremely wealthy. Judith is willing to play along. Judith is 56 and soon to be 57. She has one divorce that lasted longer than her marriage and doesn’t seem the marrying type. She wants someone funny like Bruce Bilach who is a gay comedian. Patti thinks Judith has no sex drive. (At least compared to the sex drive she had in her past.)

The other female millionaire is Andrea, 40. Andrea owns a catering business for celebrities. She has worked non stop since she was a teen and now wants to find love. Amazingly, this beautiful woman can not find a man without Patti’s help. Andrea can’t turn off “being the boss.” Andrea has a list of wants that she has kept since she was a teen. Patti doesn’t like that.

Cattle Call

It’s a small stand of cattle this week. 3 men are chosen for each woman.

The staff looks at photos to find 3 guys for Andrea. Some are too old. Some are too ugly, but somehow Patti finds 3 that are just right.

Patty and her 3 employees walk the streets in New York City like the girls in “Sex and the City.” They go at noon to a comedy club to find men with a sense of humor. The jokes from the comedians all fall flat. It’s noon. Patti finds Carlos who owns a restaurant and has a few good one liners. She has a second comedian that she will use. Then, she mentions Dave from a few weeks ago because she thought he was funny.

Patty takes Judith Regan to Delmonico’s to meet the “famous” comedian, Bruce Vilanch who tells Judith that he is openly gay. Bruce states that, “It’s the dicks, not the chicks.”

The Mixer

Andrea really doesn’t like any of the guys but it willing to go with Carlos who owns a restaurant. Carlos likes Andrea.

Judith and Patti are shocked that back up Dave is a heckler and will not let the other two men talk on camera. He is told to leave. Patti tells up that Dave is a “neurotic idiot.”
Judith chooses John (not back up Dave.)

The Dates

Andrea violates the rules and shows us her entire menu as she cooks samples for Carlos who has never had a woman plan the first date. He tells Andrea about his life of poverty to working in a kitchen for food and to owning NYC restaurants. She is impressed and the date goes well.

John takes Judith to a Sex Museum filled with stuff that I refuse to write about. Judith is a good sport, but she was not thrilled with this. (Later, Patti thinks this was creative.) John does take Judith to dinner and she is very polite and kind. His jokes fall flat John thinks Judith was a dominatrix, but she does not respond verbally.

Date Report

Carlos, on the phone, tells Patti that Andrea planned the date. Patti calls Andrea in and goes ballistic. Patti screams, “I’m done.” (If only that was true.) Andrea is able to control her emotions and in the end she is going to go on a second date with Carolos.

Patti claims that she was successful in finding mates for both women, but I doubt it.

Thank you again Quincy for all of your hard work, I admire you for being able to stomach Patti Stanger week after week, her voice alone makes me want to throw something at my tv, so I have to turn her off!

I’ve lost track of her matchmaking record but even if we reluctantly give her these two matches, she’s still no where near “amazingly high” and certainly not “98%” in her success rate. Go away fraud!

The Fashion Show By: LynnNChicago

Oh My Gawd, the crying by this chick is ridiculous, I know the lack of sleep and emotional roller coaster must get to some people but this Dominique woman cried throughout the episode about the last person who was sent home. Did she not see that coming? This is how the show works, people go home, people win competitions, if no one leaves, no one can win in the end. If she’s there to win, everyone’s gotta go home at some point.

Tonight’s show featured the Real Housewives of Orange County and The Real Housewives of New Jersey, talk about the biggest nightmare for the designers, this was just cruel. Knowing the New Jersey ladies never pass up a chance to be on television, all four of the veteran housewives were present and accounted for. Jacqueline, Teresa, Dina and Caroline, were not only clients from hell but they were bossy, indecisive, rude and argumentative with their designers. Don’t these women know what the designers have to endure during this competition? Apparently not.

I can understand wanting to look good in the gown that was designed specifically for you but in the end, this is a competition for the fashion designers, why not let them do their thing and be judged, this is supposed to be part of the challenge. Tell the designer what you like and dislike, help them with some ideas and tips but in the end, the idea is to see how well the designer can please their client and make them look their very best.

On the other side of the room were the Real Housewives of Orange County, with a poor showing of real cast, we got past housewife, Laurie and her daughter Ashley fueling the rumors that Laurie is returning to the show this upcoming season. I really don’t know why Laurie left the show, she jumps at every chance to return during finale episodes and reunion filming’s and now we have not only Laurie but her daughter on The Fashion Show. Joining Laurie and her daughter are Lynne Curtain, another former housewife as rumor has it Lynne has been downgraded to a role similar to Lisa of Atlanta, the dreaded “part time” housewife.

Finally, we have Gretchen Rossi, the only one who can really call herself an Orange County Housewife at the moment.

More annoying clients as Gretchen announces that she is also a fashion designer and arrives complete with sketches of her work, again, not the idea of the show Gretchen!

In the case of Lynne Curtain, she had the designer completely re-work the design but in her defense, the original dress was hideous. The high neckline and long sleeves looked like a long sleeved t-shirt with a big skirt attached to it. This guy clearly didn’t listen to Curtain (or look at her outfit) during their initial consultation and to his credit, obviously doesn’t watch the show to see Lynne’s style. The designer went too far in accommodating Lynne, she mentioned that she jogs in midriff baring shirts and so rather than just changing the old fashioned neckline to give her the cleavage she wanted, he cut out areas just above her waist and made it look like a high school home economics project landing designer Jeffrey in the bottom two.

Teresa’s designer, Calvin actually made two dresses for Teresa to choose from, another kudoose (a nod to Ramona) to Calvin for not watching the shows, anyone who watches The Real Housewives of New Jersey would never give Teresa a choice. True to form she struggles to choose between the two gowns to the very end before finally deciding on the more conservative of the two, the one Caroline preferred. I personally preferred the other one but I was impressed that this guy slammed out two gowns while all of the other’s struggled to complete one dress.

I hated Jacqueline’s dress but it was her style on top, the rest of it looked like it was thrown together in just minutes, it was hard to believe that the designer spent any time at all on it. Luckily the New Jersey team won the challenge, had they not, I think this dress would have gotten Dominique sent home in more tears.

These Jersey housewives will never be able to be on television without mentioning Danielle Staub at least once. Leave it to Jacqueline to take a jab at Danielle when she’s not there, no one brought her up and Jac promised fans she would let it go. It was not to be, Jac just couldn’t resist a little “stripper” dig at Danielle on tonight’s show. Very disappointing and really made Jacqueline look like an ass.

The amount of time and effort put into Caroline’s dress was off the charts, her petite frame and coloring was clearly a challenge for the designer. With a little help from his friends, the end result looked pretty darn good but the original dress that Caroline tried on really did look like Peter Pan with the wings at the shoulders and back of this dress. Caroline was, in true Caroline fashion (no pun intended) a complete bitch. I don’t think she understood either that the whole idea was to allow the designers to put them in gowns that they thought looked good on their clients, the majority of the design ideas were supposed to be part of the competition. Caroline not only gave her own designer, David a hard time but had a complete bitch fest with Teresa’s designer, Calvin.

Finally, another ex-housewife Dina was featured, paired with talented designer Eduardo. He did a great job making Dina look good on the outside, nothing could improve her on the inside but she seemed to cooperate and allow the designer to do his thing. Maybe if the other ladies had done the same, they would have looked as good as Dina did in her gown proving once again that you can’t judge a book by it’s cover. Eduardo won the challenge and he really did deserve to win this one.

The Orange County ladies were the losing team but not for lack of trying. They worked the runway and gave positive feedback to the judges on their designers and the work that they did. Unfortunately nothing could save that atrocious monstrosity that Ashley was sporting down the runway. Wow, even the lining was showing as the front of the dress jetted out well above her ankles. The top of the gown was likable enough with a corset having been inserted and the dress was time consuming and contained a lot of different elements, but in the end, it just didn’t work and made Ashley look like a huge hot air balloon.

Laurie was a good client and allowed the designer, Cindy to take the lead and create a gown that really looked good on Laurie. She definitely looked good and was the best of the worst on the losing team.
Gretchen’s gown just looked a bit cheap and when the designer failed to measure her correctly at their first meeting, the dress needed an extra piece of material sewn into the hip area of the dress making it look completely ridiculous and sending her designer, Golnessa home.

You can view the losing dress and hear the designer’s exit interview here:


Thank you to my Twitter friend @Abbysomething95 for sharing this link with me, its a bit old but I had not seen it before, its hysterical! I don’t know how I missed this the first time, maybe some of you have seen it already but its worth a 2nd look: Bonnie Hunt’s parody of The Real Housewives of Atlanta featuring Niecy Nash as NeNe Leakes:


I hope you’ll take a few minutes to take a look at my newest blogs on my Yahoo site:

Portrait of a Housewife NeNe Leakes @ http://look.ac/fZvbW9

Skating with the Stars Air Date December 13, 2010 @ http://look.ac/eEFt3c

Until Next Time….

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333 Responses to IHJZ The Fashion Show / Millionaire Matchmaker Guest Blog

  1. quincyil says:

    I loved your blog, Lynn.

    Whew…. it was a whirl wind this morning. I have so many notes from this episode of the fashion show because in addition to all of our normal players we had eight Real Housewives that many board members will want to follow.

    I have some typos, but the 25 horses and 5 barn cats were fed and watered. I also had to get dressed and drive 25 minutes to work. Luckily, I was almost done as I had to leave the house.

    I could not write about the sex museum on Patti’s show. I don’t want to think about the sex museum. I went to Catholic School and live in farmland USA. Kelly Bensimon and I are wavelength when it comes to this.

    I hope you all have fun with the discussion of “The Fashion Show” with Housewives. The personalities of every designer and the women of Bravo were all there last night. I tried to give quotes and pick up on their feelings as well as describe the clothes.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Quincy, you deserve a medal for watching the Skanker’s disgusting show, I just cannot watch it. Great recap, on both shows.

      • quincyil says:

        I had a hard time with this show. I thought it might have been cool because Judith Regan is so famous. I don’t know why Patty chose to put her in this position. It also seemed like little thought went into finding a person for Judith that might actually become a long relationship. There must be someone in the data base that is age appropriate and has an interesting personality. I bet they had no time to put this together.

        • Blue Sky says:

          No one wants to be on this show. It’s not like LA, where there are so many gold diggers looking for their 15 min. of fame. Most people around NYC would demand to be paid big $ before even thinking of going on the Skanker’s show! Personally, no amount of $ would make me go on it, & thank God I’m married, whew!!! Skanker & her show are circling the terlet bowl, hee hee.

    • floridagirl88 says:

      I only saw part of the show and missed the part about the sex museum. If it’s the one I think it is, I’ve been there and it’s not so gross. It was, um, informative and at times, odd with only a few OMG moments. There was nothing outrageous, more stuff and devices people have developed over the years to um, er, attend to their sexuality.

  2. kbinldo says:

    OMG, am I first? Whee!! Great stuff as usual!! 😀 Loved seeing Calvin (who I hate) treat Teresa like a throw rug. And I was really praying they’d make Caroline walk the runway in that green dress. heh.

  3. American Idiot says:

    Lynn and Quincy, thanks for much for the recaps. I did not get to see either show, but will try to catch them as reruns.

    That clip of Bonnie Hunt and Neicy Nash is the funniest take off on Atlanta I have ever seen. Who got so mo wine?

  4. Wall St Lady says:

    by WSL on December 15

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    U da Dude
    In fact ur new name is
    Housewife dude !
    SERIOUSLY (pun intended) u r malicious & mean bully who’s Mamma should spank till u feel like u fell on the ice. (Go Gracie ; u hipo [ctite])
    With all respect,
    I love love love U.
    Thanks for letting me get to know ur brilliant , funny & witty writing style !
    Keep it coming !


    • cdnfillie58 says:

      ??? not sure what this means???

      • quincyil says:

        seriously was the person who attacked my Dinah travel adventure. WSL liked the fashion blog. I can speak Farsi and NY blackberry.

        • quincyil says:

          Black berries have tiny key boards. People shorten words. In fact someday, you will be u. The language is changing every day.

          I like to take courses so I went to our Jr. College and took 20 hours in computers. They recommended a typing course which included business letters. What I learned about punctuation in high school is no more.

          WSL reads and remembers all of my posts. I wrote about skating on bumpy ice. She liked my blog and my writing style.

          I love WSL too. She enriches our family. Now, I have to go to the barn and shovel manure. The horses have decided that standing in a stall is better than standing in a field with 60 mile an hour winds, sleet and snow. Who ever thought that animals were not smarter than us? I am working and they are waiting for dinner.

  5. WindyCityWondering says:

    Thank you Quincy and Lynn – I didn’t watch either show last night (Patty is too obnoxious and while I like the Fashion Show, I didn’t want to see the NJ crew). IMHO – while I like the ocassional crossover of show stars – Bravo is doing too much of it of late! And besides doing it to the point of boring, they are bring back housewife has beens! Maybe they need to talk to Bethenny about building their brand in a more exciting fashion…..

    • quincyil says:

      I actually have to give the NJ girls so credit because they helped their team win. They were very theatrical in their fashion show. I don’t know if it has something to do with the Broadway show or the fact that some of them have been on tv shows and have had some acting instruction, but they really made a stage presentation that was great.

      Everyone was themselves, of course. Gretchen was the real Gretchen. She looked down on the servantile designer. Caroline wanted to have power over Calvin. Dina looked for one lines and some hit their marks. Lynn was nutty and “wanted to be naked.” Laurie was nice. Ashely was nice. Teresa was confused and demanding, but looked great on the runway.

      We have not had an OC season with Lynn, but I have a feeling that is going to rock.

      I love Calvin. I’d like to meet him, but he doesn’t meet with clients because we are bitchy.

      • Blue Sky says:

        Those Jersey Girls have had their debut on Broadway, in Dina’s show “My Big Gay Italian Wedding.” She was a producer. I agree, they rocked the runway. And they did look good, props to hair & make up, & the designers.

        • quincyil says:

          Yes. They may not have personalities that we can appreciate, but when they do good work, we have to give them credit.

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  7. Cusi77 says:

    Goodness Gracious Quincy! You are right in your way to be a profesional Blogger, Girl!
    I like it very much!

    Great Blog Lynn!

    I Agree, Dina looked beautiful outside… “Domage” is when “Aunque la mona se vista de seda, mona se queda” -trying to translate…- Ah! Caroline said it best in Season 2! “If you put lipstick in a pig… it is still a pig, right?

  8. HD says:

    This in regards to the last blog

    @ Had Enough…when you say shell corporation and all I know about stuff like this is what I see on TV so I often see them as some front of some kind like they show on American Greed.

    How does he afford this lifestyle? How does his wife not work? How do they have nannies? How do people live like this? It is like they are playing with monopoly money or something!

  9. MickeyMouth says:

    Thanks for the recaps ladies :0)

    If only Lynne’s dress was excuted like this one http://bit.ly/hlUj78 .

    It could have been beautiful.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      WOW nice find Mickey, that’s so true but Jeffrey would have had to sell it to Lynne who was just not having any of it – she hated the high neckline and had to be talked into the long sleeves. Maybe if Jeffrey had this photo and stolen this design, it would have worked LOL

      • quincyil says:

        The OC ladies just have to show off their breasts. They all agreed that the dress was better showing flesh.

        That Jersey really shows all of the bumps. Even seams in bras show. I guess the designers like it because it moves well on the runway, but for normal people, it might not be the best choice.

        • Kansas Girl says:

          I think that kind of jersey has to be lined to avoid showing the small bumps. That one seemed to have no lining at all. and when she pulled it off her shoulders, it made it worse. The color was terrible — at least on my tv.

          • JKW says:

            My favorite part was when Caroline kept telling Calvin to come here…and he ignored her and walked off. Surprise Caroline….only on your show does everyone listen to you. I think she was a bit shocked. As Calvin said…Oh hell to the no !!

  10. HD says:

    I just caught the part of Millionaire Matchmaker once they went to the Sex Museum. (I thought that was cery creative and interesting.) I thought the woman loved the date. She seemed interested and laughed at his jokes or so I thought. I did wake up to watch it so maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me but I thought she had a good time. When I watched it I was shocked by how well a date FINALLY went on this show since most of them are flops.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      I agree. She seemed happy on her date, and very “open” (lol) to exploring the museum and the comedian.

      • quincyil says:

        I think she is adventurous. Look at her relationship with Bernie Kerik (was on NJ with Caroline and the police dogs.) She was his mistress until she found out that he has another mistress. The wife part didn’t bother her.

        I watched her face during that part of the show and she was playing a role for the camera. This is a very smart lady. This is her friend’s show and she wasn’t about to do anything to make Patti look bad. Her smile never changes. She held some objects and pretended to be on that cross, but the smile never changed. I’m not sure she wanted to be placed in the position she was in. She did start it with her choice of that gay commedian as the kind of man she wanted. To Patti, that meant that she was done with the dating scene.
        She may be a powerful woman, but she’s down with that kind of museum.

        • Adgirl says:

          Judith is probably trying to get a Bravo show of her own. Like we really need more of the “Trilogy of Terror” Jill/Patti/Judith.

          Sex Museum? On a first date?
          We went to the one in Mont Marte (Paris) and wow, way make sex boring.
          Nothing but display after display of body parts, mostly male, through the ages. Kind of like going through the tribal fertility idol room at a museum. The best part of the exhibit was the low budget flickery 5 cent movies they shown in the nickelodeon machines. The subject was really tame but watching through the glasses felt a little “dirty” and fun.

          I’ll shut up now in case my mother, or your mother is reading this.

          • quincyil says:

            My mother taught my kids to use bad words. She had been supervisor at a US Postal Service package handling center and spent too much time on the loading docks. She’s better now that she goes to church 3 times a week.

  11. boston02127 says:

    Great blogs Lynn & Quincy. Thanks.

    • cdnfillie58 says:

      nice to see you again boston…for what it’s worth, I’m missing my mom too, (badly) 1st holiday without her, and that’s always the hardest. Keep in touch, there’s a lot of people here that can support and comfort you..hugs!

      • StillAWallflower says:

        Ditto–my mom passed at the end of September and there are days I still pick up the phone to call her and tell her some little thing that happened. You’ll both be in my prayers this Christmas.

        • Melba59 says:

          My Mom died November 15 and I also still pick up the phone to call her. The loss of a Mom is like no other.

  12. boston02127 says:

    Why was Dina even there? What’s with her? One day she doesn’t want to be a in the spotlight and the next day she does. I’m wondering if it wasn’t for Caroline if anyone would put up with Dina.

    • quincyil says:

      Dina probably loves the limelight too. It’s fun to have designer clothes made for you. I think Dina is going to be with us for a long time.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I always go back to Teresa’s table flipping dinner when Jacq says “you know what she is like” in reference to Dina…..there is something that is just so off with her! IMHO, when Dina gets loopy – Caroline gets her the attention she needs – like being on tv.

      • quincyil says:

        We all know Dina thanks to her twitters that have been recorded for all of time. Being angry and lashing out is something that both Dina and Caroline do. Apparently, it’s ok to do that in NJ if you aren’t Danielle Staub.

        The flat shoulders comment about Caroline reminded me of one of her nicknames here Carolinebacker. That is how football uniforms look with the shoulder pads.

        Lynn Curtin is absolutely bone thin so the rolls on her back are not fat. It’s skin. I bet she was a smoker for many years and my still smoke. I have noticed that the skin actually falls away from the muscles in smokers when they hit their 50s. I see it in friends who have been thin their whole lives.

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          THANK YOU!

          Yes so true about smokers, it happens to their faces too and much much earlier than their 50’s. I have girls that have worked for me, and I always know who smokes and who doesn’t, and they are in their 20s.

        • TLM says:

          That dress was so unflattering with the skin the way it was on Lynn’s back. I couldn’t believe a designer would see the way it looked and go ahead with that design. Just because someone is thin doesn’t mean they look good showing skin, plus her age should have been taken into consideration. That designer could not think on his/her feet to adjust the design when it clearly didn’t work.

  13. Buffywood says:

    This is the first time I have watched The Fashion Show so I didn’t know what to expect. Many of the dresses were so/so. I thought Dina looked amazing as did Laurie. I was impressed with their positive attitude and the way they all strutted their stuff.
    What is it with the close ups the camera shows? I am not sure what their motives are; to highlight issues with the design or to highlight the flaws in the “ladies”. Unfortunately I feel it was the latter and in many cases not necessary.
    The back shots of Lynn? OK yes, bad dress design but the woman is in her 40s, it happens. If she had the $ I am sure she would be researching plastic surgeons to get that corrected, but then again it is Lynn and without a pot to piss in she probably is anyway.
    The tummy shot of Teresa? To me that was more of an issue with undergarments then with the dress… I can’t stand the woman but she did have 4 kids. After 2 c-sections (and one at 39) I can relate. In Teresa’s case maybe she deserved this shot as she portrays herself as all of that and a bag of chips… but still it was uncalled for.
    In contrast to Teresa, I wish Jacqueline would feel more comfortable in her body. I feel bad she is so insecure. The dress itself wasn’t flattering and I think she has a better body than it showed.
    Boy Bravo is going to get laughs at Danielle’s expensive even though she is no longer with the show. The HoWives of NJ clearly still have nothing more interesting to talk about then her. What else do they have in common? Just when you think they have potential to show a little class, yet again they let their true colors show.

    • quincyil says:

      The Danielle Restaurant.. I wonder who chose that spot.

      From the shots of this show, I think it was filmed in the late spring. Lynn did not know she was fired. Danielle was still on the NJ show. I wonder why they had to have Laurie’s daughter. I bet those two are going to be on OC this year.

      I bet the women are paid when they cross over too.

      • Buffywood says:

        Ah, I didn’t realize it was filmed so long ago.

        Either they are paid or there are a certain number of required Bravo things they need to do written in their contracts, or both. Wasn’t there soem type of $ dispute before over them “having” to do other events and either not getting paid for them or not getting paid enough?

      • Kansas Girl says:

        I’ve wondered if Dina is still required to do some things for Bravo for being released from the show.

  14. Adgirl says:

    Great blogs Quincy!

    I notice that whenever “real” clients are used on Project Runway (and here on Fashion Show) the designers seem to do the poorest job. I guess designing for real hips, heavy arms or shorter people confounds the designers.
    On PR the worst performers were always during the Mother challenges, were the designer would make something for another designer’s mother. Inevitably, there were hurt feelings because of nasty remarks made about the body of another designer’s mother.
    The real people challenges are the hardest and show the designers maturity or lack thereof.

  15. boston02127 says:

    @quincyil– (from the last blog) I met with an advisor and I’ll be picking up more classes right after Christmas. Also, I won’t be cleaning anymore after January. I took dance lessons for years and the woman that owns the school offered me a job. She was friendly with my mother. After I let the people that I clean for know that I’m leaving I’ll be working nights at the dance school. I’m going to keep cleaning thru the holidays (tip season).

    • quincyil says:

      Good for you. Helping young dancers will help you too. Mentoring young girls is something we all have to do if we want our society to improve.

      Plus…all of that exercise makes our Boston one good looking young woman.

      We are all in this life together, Boston. You have a lot of god mothers and god sister on this board. You are never alone.

    • Adgirl says:

      Change in your routine is good when life throws you a curve ball. Good for you!

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Good for you! New things to do and keeping busy. That’s the way to go!

    • Kansas Girl says:

      LOL at the “good for you” theme we have going here!

    • Blue Sky says:

      That’s great Boston. Your soon to be ex boss is a real jerk & better for you not to have to put up with him anymore!

  16. California35 says:

    “Daily Horoscope for Wednesday, December 15
    Your career demands are starting to wear on you, but it could be worse. You need to let your people know that you’ve got big business to take care of — but that you’ll make it worth their while soon! ”

    Wow! It is related to what I talked about last night.

    Thank you all again for your support and suggestions, I felt much better after our conversation. I went to sleep thinking about in a new way (not crying), and woke up this morning feeling even better. I need to start thinking of a solution in a more positive way. I had been thinking of solutions before, but ending feeling down because all of them left me thinking I would lose a lot. Now, thinking that I can have control of at least part of it, makes me feel hopeful again. I will share with you what happens.

    On a different note, I made fun plans for this weekend. Kathy Griffith is coming to California, and I plan to go see her. It will be fun! I have seen her stand up on TV, but never in person. The last one had some material on the Housewives and she talked a bit more about Theresa. I feel I should take notes, so I can share them with you 🙂

    • Buffywood says:

      Your horoscope is a sign of good things to come in 2011! I am so glad to hear you woke up happy today, attitude really can be everything.

      Have fun at Kathy Griffith, I would love to see her in person. She was in Atlantic City this past summer but for some reason I couldn’t go.

      • California35 says:

        I was originally going to try to see her in Santa Barbara on Jan 7th….since I had asked for that day off from work, but I had to cancel my request :-(. Since my birthday is on the 6th, I thought I would take the day after because it is a Friday. Any ways, I am glad I can go to this one. The tickets start at $25, and that was a very pleasant surprise 🙂

        • Blue Sky says:

          Love Kathy Griffith, have a good time!

          Keep up the good work at your job, good employees get rewarded. Don’t hang out with the complainers/negative people at work (or anywhere!), as their negativity will bring you down. Keep notes at work about how things could be done better, “bottom up” thinking is often overlooked. Take what ever job you are doing from top to bottom/& vice versa. Often, cost savings can occur when you think how your project affects the customer (always focus on their needs) all the way to the product you are producing, even consider supply side/shipping product/billing customer, the whole cycle. There is no company without consumers/customers. Write up your findings, after doing research, & present it to your boss. Guaranteed you will get noticed for this “above and beyond the task” thinking. Just do good research, on the job, & ask us here on the board for feedback & mentoring California35. We’ve got your back!

          I worked in corporate jobs, biochemistry labs, real estate offices and now I help my husband manage his computer engineering company (the financial side). But raising my son has been the most challenging job, and most rewarding too.

          • California35 says:

            I agree about the negative people, I don’t. I also don’t talk to people about my job sorrows because – who wants to hear a complainer? At the same time I deal with work already why do I want to talk about it just revisiting the problem? For those reasons, I have been keeping all of it hoping things would change. Unfortunally they haven’t and I really wanted to let it out. Thank you all for listening and helping out. My job is more employee service then customer service. I am taking your suggestion, and will try something. In the past, my ideas were not really taken. As I said before, my position is an admin position and as much as I did in the past and all the responsabilities I had, now I am seeing only as an admin. The money stay the same though, so I had no complains, but I have seen the decrease on respect to my position or my past accomplishments. I understand that I have to focus in the present and what I can do for the company now. That is where I am at, and nothing I do is without someone telling me to do and rushed to.

            Oh no! I am feeling a sad attitude coming, sorry I better stop.

            I will just keep in mind all the support and the suggestions to better my situation. Thanks again.


            • Blue Sky says:

              It’s hard when people put pressure on you. Your “customers” are the other company employees that you interact with; think of it that way. As companies expand & grow, they have to change how things get done. If management is not good at this, then you get squeezed, along with everyone else. I had the opposite situation, as the large insurance company I worked for was downsizing for 4 out of 6 years I worked there! We just kept getting more & more work piled on fewer & fewer people. Fortunately, I left to take care of my son (when he was 10 months old) so I got out of there. Before the downsizing, it was a fantastic place to work. We used to have lots of “quality management” training, flattening out the levels of management, so people were more in charge of their work.

              I think lots of people really had great advice, and you are going to be okay. One day at a time, you will see things improve. My husband used to give me great advice on how to handle the people that I had trouble working with, he really was my “rock.”

              While doing real estate, I took lots of sales classes. It was very beneficial. One of the #1 rules is: provide a benefit/service to someone, and it will be reciprocated…do a good deed, and you will be rewarded in kind. #2 Be the best you can be, always strive to give the best service and so on. Really be a great person, then you will be a great salesperson…it worked for me. I sucked at real estate, Floyd Wickman courses changed my life. Hang in there!

        • jillz68 says:


          I also want to see her that night in Santa Barbara (I live here)! I am SOOO bummed I have an event that night
          and can’t go.

          • California35 says:

            Come to the Gibson, she will be in tomorrow and Friday. It might be too short notice and far if you are coming from SB. You live there?! I used to – I do try to go there once in a while and prentend I live there again 🙂

          • LynnnSoCal says:

            Oh how cool! I’m from SB too and my birthday is on the 6th! I didn’t know she was going to be here. Too obsessed with Anthony Bourdain’s visit to L.A area. Missed him last time he was in Santa Barbara. Aloha!

            • California35 says:

              LynnnSoCal and Jillz68,
              You both live in SB, and I used to many years ago. I moved back to Ventura County in 1998. I still miss SB. Too expensive for me.

  17. quincyil says:

    So… who do you think will win “The Fashion Show.” Since it has the team concept, they can’t let too many people go before the finale. If there is only one person on one side that can’t be a team effort. Right now, Eduardo wins week after week. Isaac wants to steal three of Jeffrey’s designs for his collections. I think Isaac loves Jefrey’s ideas. Cindy is doing well week after week. She works quickly and can do everything. Dominque went a little crazy with all of those tears this week. She’s right out of school, so she’s really young, but she knows a lot. Calvin takes risks, but you can tell that Isaac thinks he could win. Cesar rocked it in the beginning, but I was shocked that his tattered petticoat was showing. I don’t think David can win on his own. His team mates seem to save him every week.

    I know Eduardo is the front runner, but he had made the same design several times.

    I bet Jeffrey might just pull this off. His fascination with unisex clothing might be on our racks in the near future. I already wear jeans and rubber boots with orange hunting jackets so I am going to buy his stuff right away.

  18. klmh says:

    Dirtbag Bellino’s letter to his “friends” about not declaring bankruptcy:


    There was an interesting discussion on the previous blog about how this happened. Hope the truth comes out about it somehow. What a 2 faced holier than thou dirtbag!

    • Adgirl says:

      Soooo, the Bellino’s are not broke; the same way the Giudices are not broke, and the same way Gretchen wasn’t sleeping with Jay Photoglu while jeff ws dying, and the same way Jill didn’t write crap about her castmates books on Amazon, and the same way She by Sheree was couture, and the same way Kelly didn’t copy someone else’s owl necklace, and …. dang I’m tired already.

      • klmh says:

        It mentions they have several properties, but when I looked at the information, it just mentioned the boutique hotel. I found it interesting the bank changed their payments and was wondering if it had to do with what you and Had Enough were talking about, the mortgage with the home and business. Maybe they were able to deduct all with their home in their corporation, until the bank finally found out or put their thinking caps on. I have no idea about this stuff, but why in God’s name would you put yourself out there is you were doing something as illegal as this?

    • quincyil says:

      I thought that Salahis were shading starting new corporations and going into debt right after filing Chapter 7 too. Something has to be wrong with the system.

      • Buffywood says:

        God this just pisses me off. The WE are not filing bankruptcy crap. When you use our current system they way to do, put all of your assets in your left hand, and all of your debts in your right hand, and then file bankruptcy. What a total piece of shit.

      • klmh says:

        What needs to happen when a court can see the corruption of the Giudice filing and keep extending the date for a hearing? My God, its been since Oct of ’09 and nothing has been accomplished. The poor victims of this pathetic hood and suffering financially and where are the Giudice’s? She is proud as hell with her position in life, and he doesn’t give a FATSRATSASS. I am furious with our government that protects these lying thieving vultures of society. Our government protects the strongest of us and could give a damn for our weakest.

        • klmh says:

          are not and. Got a little hot under the collar when writing this.

        • Had Enough! says:

          Not to argue, but just to give you some perspective so you can direct the anger to something that merits it: nothing has been extended. This is the totally normal timeline for a bankruptcy case in which there are lots of complexities. For instance, there have been a dozen or so motions by creditors to lift stays. There have been three “depositions” by the creditors. There is usually always one and in this case, it was complex enough that they held two more (one for Joe, one for Teresa). It takes the trustee a while to verify the schedules of property and debts, and then in this case, you of course had the Mastropole trial (going on now) and the fairly extraordinary filing of two objections to discharge – one by the bankruptcy trustee and one by the U.S. trustee. So there is no delay here and no one is being protected. The system is working the way it is supposed to work.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Is he taking lessons from Tareq Salahi – who when questioned about the misleading submission video of them tramping across a mega mansion never being their home came back and answered ‘We are not the ‘current’ owners of the home.

      ‘We are NOT bankrupt, we are filling for bankruptcy protection…it’s also ALL the banks fault- they should have never extended me credit….but please know that you can- I’ll pay ya back- I swear- on my terms tho.’.

      I hope Alexis learned a lesson, when you marry short, fat, smell and greasy male chauvinist for his money- the the illusion of wealth disappears what you are left with is just a broke ass short, fat, smell and greasy male chauvinist! Ha Ha

  19. boston02127 says:

    On the Wendy Williams Show: Camille is threating to reveal a sex tape of her & Kelsey if she doesn’t get a good settlement.

    • Adgirl says:

      Oh yeah I heard about that yesterday. Yawn. Kelsey must be an idiot for not santitizing their vault before decamping to NY to dump Camille. If she had no idea he wanted out of the marriage then he easily could have told her he was worried about the tapes getting into the wrong hands (ala Pam Anderson).

      And way to protect your kids Camille. Family first, you know!

    • JazzNightOut says:

      I say release it; it will hurt her more than Kelsey. I won’t watch it, however. Just want her to go away, far away.

      • JazzNightOut says:

        Him too, actually, far, far away.

        • quincyil says:

          Release it and send the children into social services because neither parent cares about them.

          • JazzNightOut says:

            That is so sad, isn’t it? Parents have no idea how much they affect their children. I wonder if either will get it enough to be able to apologize to those kids later in life.

            • Adgirl says:

              When their kid enters rehab or jail their PR spokeperson will release a statement about how upset they are and sorry that Hollywood and privildge ruined their child’s values.

          • Carrie Fischer was on Showtime doing her one woman play”Wishful Drinking” the other day.
            She talks about her childhood and what her parents(Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fischer) did during the 50’s 60’s. She mentioned that it was standard practice for Hollywood couples whose marriage was already “shot” for one of them to leave Hollywood and go to New York to “do a play”
            It was an easy way to start a separation w/o
            acknowledging that there were problems in the marriage. She said even though this was common her Mother(i think, could have been a friend) was still blindsided when it happened to her.
            It took me a few days to note the similarity.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Sounds more like Camille’s threatening the public with this tape. What has the public ever done to you, Clammy? Jeez.

      Yeah, go ahead and release the tape, Clammy. No one gives a shite. The “ick” factor will be competing with a drunken Hasselhoff eating a hamburger and other “Hollywood celeb” embarassments.

      Clammy’s showing what she’s really made of. As if anyone really had any doubt.

    • error404 says:

      I’m sorry to be so stupid, but what?!? How wold proof that a married couple had sex provide more money to the wife? I’m completely lost. Unless it’s a 3 way and half way thru it, Kelsey and Nick push Camille off the bed because they’d rather do each other, I’m lost. It’s not like the guy actually has a good rep to protect.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        IMO – Camille probably thinks that Kelsey places some value on his dignity/reputation and that there is money to be had in “helping” to perserve that illusion. Kelsey is a dog and Camille is a bitch and none of the general public care about either of them!

      • cdnfillie58 says:

        “Unless it’s a 3 way and half way thru it, Kelsey and Nick push Camille off the bed because they’d rather do each other,” perfect snark error..LMAO

    • kbinldo says:

      Big problem for Camille: No one wants to see it. Seriously. What does she think this tape will get her? It’s not like she’s claiming to have had an affair with What’s his name & he denied it. We all know they’re married & getting divorced.

      Further proof that Camille sees her kids as accessories: A good mother would not want something like that out for her kids to see &/or be teased about at school.

      • Salish says:

        This I don’t understand why she would threaten the tape either. Isn’t a sex tape somewhat bragging rights for the man?

  20. JazzNightOut says:

    Great blogs, Lynn and Quincy. I have watched ‘The Fashion Show’ a couple of times, and I love the tone you take with it, Q. I don’t read the recap on the MM because I don’t want to imagine PStanger in my head or imagine her voice. Not as young as I used to be and don’t want to short circuit anything important. Now, onto Lynn’s blogs on NeNE and SWTS. Don’t you love the feeling when you know you have something good to read?!!!

    • quincyil says:

      I actually have learned a lot about fashion by watching the show. I have learned about drapind, seems, zippers, and spanx. So… the spanx pull Gretchen in so much that it made her the size of a manequin. I was wondering where the skin the inches go to. Surely, spanx can not erase matter from the body. You can only push atoms so close together before they push back. I am thinking that this is some kind of miracle product. The measurement that Onessa took was over the slinky dress. She assumed that she was measuring Gretchen and ended up several inches too tight if you look at the large swath of cloth that she put in the left side of the dress.

  21. JazzNightOut says:

    BTW, ((((((((((((( Boston + HD )))))))))))))))))))). Sending love both your ways.

  22. error404 says:

    Nice recaps! Double the please, double the fun!

    I found the episode a bit difficult to watch. I began ok, but then actually left he room and did housework for a while, as I have two problems:

    1. Sorry, but I actually can’t tell one RHoOC from the other. Seriously, I just can’t. It was like they just cloned one 4 times.

    2. RHoNJ acted on this show just like the horse’s behind they are. 4 of the most annoying intolerable idiots on TV!

    Came back for the end. Was surprised at all of the Nami angst, as Emerald’s stuff looked as crappy as it usually does. Seriously, I don’t know how this house won even 1 challenge. That color was awful! David was his usual jerky self. And of course Bravo was it’s usual fake self too… tons of commercials all week long making it seem like Calvin and the RHoNJ fight tooth and nail, yet every minute of the show I saw showed them complimenting each other and getting along really well. Classic Bravo!

    A well deserved win, even if it did somehow compliment Dina “I’m the biggest ass in the world” Manzo.

    • quincyil says:

      Calvin had his moments, but Bravo made them look worse. If he is “out of fashion,” the show ill lose a valuable point of interest.

      • error404 says:

        It was interesting that Iman defended him (and herself) on WWHL

        • vilzvet says:

          I cannot believe I didn’t recognize Ashley, Lauri’s daughter. I had missed the first half of the show and only saw the little parade in front of the judges at the end but still didn’t catch her name. I wonder what happened with her skin care line, they had devoted an episode to showing it being made in a factory, etc. Too bad I don’t recall its name.

  23. boston02127 says:

    Jill’s very orange looking. It’s not a nice look.

  24. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    EXCLUSIVE: Inside Teresa Giudice’s Courtroom Drama, Husband Says ‘I’m Tired Of This TV Sh*t’EXCLUSIVE: Inside Teresa Giudice’s Courtroom Drama, Husband Says ‘I’m Tired Of This TV Sh*t’

    From the small screen to the courtroom, drama seems to follow Real Housewives of New Jersey star Teresa Giudice wherever she goes. RadarOnline.com has all the exclusive details of her latest outburst.

    During a break Wednesday afternoon in a New Jersey courtroom where Teresa, her husband Joe Giudice, and their former lawyer were scheduled to testify in a fraud case brought against Joe by his former business partner Joe Mastropole, Teresa incited a yelling match in the hallway with the wife of the plaintiff’s attorney.

    Mastropole claims that the housewife’s hubby forged Mastropole’s signature on a mortgage document in order to take out another loan and keep $1 million for himself.

    While in the courtroom before a short break, Teresa turned and pointed to Monica Ciccone, the wife of William Saracino Jr., the lawyer representing Mastropole, saying, “You and me gotta talk!”

    While in the hallway, as the plaintiff’s attorneys were talking about the previous testimony and as Monica was engrossed in a conversation with another person, Teresa interrupted saying adamantly to Monica, “I need to talk to you!”

    Monica, also an attorney who previously represented Mastropole in the case, denied her request saying, “I don’t have to talk to you, we both have lawyers,” which made Teresa irate. She jumped in Monica’s face, pointing her finger and yelling, “You need to stop telling people my business!”

    Monica retorted: “I’m not talking to you, you’re a bully!”

    As words continued back and forth, Teresa’s burly husband pulled her away to get in the elevator. As the doors closed, he was overheard saying in frustration, “I’m f**king tired of this TV sh*t!”

    Before Teresa took the stand to testify in the trial, the Giudices’ attorney told her to calm down. “I’m calm!” she responded. “But I don’t know nothing!”

    Joe is expected to take the stand Wednesday afternoon.


    • Had Enough! says:

      OH PLEASE LET THIS BE ON BRAVO TAPE! Some courts don’t allow cameras in the courtroom, but the hallway….


      • Need a Hobby says:

        So this is another civil suit by Mastropole against Thuggy G?

        Surprised we’re only hearing about it now. The first Mastropole suit and judgment is what prompted the Gs to file for bankruptcy.

        Sounds like a “to be continued” story.

    • Blue Sky says:

      wow, this is good stuff…kinda wish I went to that courtroom today, with a camera, & recording device! ; D

    • klmh says:

      Thanks for the update. I thought some sort of hearing was supposed to happen on the 14th and then I couldn’t find a thing. Someone also mentioned the determination of their bankruptcy would be in July of ’11. It will be interesting to hear about this.

      • boston02127 says:

        Teresa needs anger management classes.

        • Blue Sky says:

          She needs to go to jail for assault, her bullying is way out of line, next time she tries this sh*t. What a monster, wouldn’t want to ever get within 25 feet of her.

        • quincyil says:

          I’m not sure the classes will help her. She seems to have a screw loose.

          • klmh says:

            I don’t know Quincy. We didn’t see this behavior from her before the table flip and then, well then she became a “STAR”! The other ladies mentioned the first year they had never seen her get this angry. I’m afraid some of this bad obnoxious juvenile behavior is from her perception of stardom. Not being able to tell the difference between infamous and famous doesn’t help either.

        • Need a Hobby says:

          I suspect her anger management skills would improve considerably if she ever lost her sense of entitlement.

          In the meantime, a nice term in a federal pen might be efficacious.

        • klmh says:

          Maybe so…?

      • klmh says:

        This is the article I referred to above: “http://www.zimbio.com/Teresa+Giudice/articles/JHVI6FXT5-X/Joe+Teresa+Giudice+alleged+bankruptcy+fraud

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Joe’s comment leads me to believe that the hallway confrontation may have been filmed.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        The article doesn’t mention cameras. I think Bravo’s filming has to be with agreement of those HW to be filmed & I can’t imagine the Gs would agree to have their court appearances, or the circumstances surrounding them, on tape for a TV audience. Unless maybe they got more $$$$ to do so. Guess we’ll have to wait & see.

        Even Thuggy G knows that if it weren’t for the TV show there wouldn’t be any media interest or presence at his various court appearances. He’s snarled at the press before when they’ve covered his DWI or bankruptcy.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      “But I don’t know nothing” sounds like Teresa’s version of taking the fifth….because to continue to say she knows nothing about her husband’s business is BS! I’m wondering what Joe’s exbusiness partner is looking to get out of this case – perhaps the tackilicous mansion?? Considering all the money these weasel monkies have spent since “declaring” bankruptsy they could have spent it paying Joe’s business partner back!!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      ” I don’t know nothin'”

      Truer words were never spoken

  25. JazzNightOut says:

    “Unfortunately this entire situation (JW’s obsession with Bethenny) is also negatively affecting Bethenny’s partner Ethan Burgess who is working extremely hard to teach Bethenny and try to make her look good on the ice. He’s being punished as well for Weir’s personal feelings toward Bethenny. It is really unfair to Ethan, it is Weir who is casting a negative shadow over the sport of figure skating.”
    I absolutely agree with this statement, Lynn. Johnny comes across as silly when he expects any of these ‘stars’ to commit to ice skating as he does. By stating his commitment so often, it begs the question of how commited he has been in the past. Google his name to find criticism of his commitment to himself over the sport. He could coach, rather than snipe. But nooooooooo. I think Ethan is a better sport about his sport than Johnny ever could be. Too little substance in his reviews and too much gutter sniping.
    “NeNe Leakes is a star on the rise, there is no doubt in my mind and I wouldn’t be surprised if sometime in the future she makes a move to New York or Los Angeles. While she’ll always be our Atlanta Housewife, there are bigger and brighter things on NeNe’s horizon.”
    And I agree with this too. NeNe is gold. I laugh with her, and it is a good kind of laughing, not mean and derogatory. She is a smart lady with faults of course, but she does know what is “drama” and what is real life and treats each appropriately. Hard to do while being watched so intently. I would love to see her bring her “NeNe” to some commentary on celebrities. She is at the perfect age to really bring all her experience to her comments. I wish her best luck in her future.

    Haven’t figured out how to post on Yahoo blog yet, but I am sneaking up on it.
    Thanks for both blogs, Lynn.

    • Blue Sky says:

      I enjoyed your blogs too, Lynn. I do think Bethenny is learning “to rise above it” she must be getting some goood coaching. When JWeir spews, & she just smiles & says little or nothing, he just comes off looking sooo much worse, lol. Love how she is handling being on SWTS. It’s such a total train wreck of a show, I’m actually enjoying it. Let’s see if next week’s ratings are better, due to JWeir battling with B! Go Bethenny.

      I saw Laurie Ann on Wendy Williams yesterday. She’s a little kooky, but I liked what she had to say on WW. She didn’t get into Bethenny, she likes the Olympic skiing guy (me too).

      Your blog on NeNe was good too. I’m not a RHOA superfan, but I watch it for the laughs. Kim is so OTT trashy, love lol at her antics. NeNe comes up with good lines, she’s very funny…she might make it as an entertainment reporter. Imagine her on the View…or some show like that. I don’t watch the View. I will watch the Apprentice, it should be feisty with NeNe on it.

  26. knocknoc says:

    It amazes me how you two ladies, Lynn and Quincyil,
    can write the recaps that replicate the actual events
    on the Bravo shows. Thank you for keeping it so
    authentic and true. The humor is also much appreciated.

    So many shows to recap and while it takes a while to read
    them all– it’s like a gift that keeps on giving. It is difficult
    to offer so much admiration because in the back of my mind
    I feel someone may offer you both an advancement and you’ll
    be snatched away from us and enjoy greener pastures to do
    more recaps.

    All kidding aside, I admire you both immensely and your
    writing skills are amazing.

    • quincyil says:

      Thanks… it’s just like attending a college lecture.

      • JazzNightOut says:

        My first one of the day. Does having that attitude help watching MM; think I would fail the class if I had to watch. Oh yeah, duh, wouldn’t take the class :-D.

      • Adgirl says:

        Love to see your college notes. Heh.

    • It really is true@ Knocknoc!
      and sometimes you feel redundant saying “great Blog!”, but what else are you supposed to say?
      I feel so lucky to have found a group of people that genuinely have the same life-interests as myself. all well educated, whether it be from school or life or both. Sometimes I’ll realize that a new bog may be posted and I’ll jump up and run to the computer like Santa just arrived.
      The only problem is that I enjoy spending more time with everyone here than doing other things, and the other things are getting neglected! But I am learning time management and getting better everyday!
      ANYWAY,,,,Great Blogs!!

  27. OT
    I was wondering if anyone( esp Quincy) could help me answer a question.
    My cousin just texted me saying she is sick. somethings been “wrong” for months(you know when you just don’t feel right?)
    She said that she has cirrhosis of the liver. She said in text ” fatty liver fighting auto-immune system caused Hepatitis went into Cirrhosis. liver 50% gone.”
    She does not drink.
    What does this mean??

    I tried to look it up, but just went in circles.
    Then I remembered i have a living encyclopedia at LynnHudson101
    Thanks to anyone who can give me a clue to what she’s dealing with.

    • Had Enough! says:

      I am not a doctor but I play one on this blog. Actually, I am the Queen of Google.


      When looking for medical info, always try to find a website from the National Institutes of Health, the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, or another major medical research organization.

      All joking aside, best wishes to your cousin.

    • quincyil says:




      “She said that she has cirrhosis of the liver. She said in text ” fatty liver fighting auto-immune system caused Hepatitis went into Cirrhosis. liver 50% gone.”
      She does not drink.”

      I am not a physician so I helped you with some research. People can have fatty livers from obesity. One of the women in “Thintervension” had a fatty liver and was frightened when she was told this by the shows doctor. She was able to reduce the fat through diet and exercise before her liver was affected and many people can do that.

      She also mentions that she has an autoimmune disease. Several autoimmune diseases can affect our livers. It’s like a war and part of our body attacks the other parts. I don’t know what disease she has. I’m sure the doctors told her but she’s in shock and probably could not take in all of the information when they were talking to her. Everyone has this happen when they are seeking help. Plus, some doctors don’t share unless they are asked.

      I think her doctors have done a lot of tests and determined that her liver is failing. Some people are sick for a long time before they realize that something is wrong. Again, I am not a physician. I just think that is what she wrote to you. I’m sorry.

      • My cousin is the type of person who has never been considered
        “heavy” – yet all her life she could have lost, like,20-3olbs and been considered healthier. She truly enjoys her food(like everyone else in the family)
        I think you’re right that she is in shock-she hasn’t told anyone in the family yet,
        At least I know what she’s up against thanks to Genius that is this blog……………….thanks all
        thanks, Quincy

        • quincyil says:

          I skimmed through today’s comments and they are so rich in diversity. People find articles on the net relating to the housewives and we get that information right here hot off the wire.

          It’s a treasure trove.

        • quincyil says:

          I feel badly that your cousin is sick. I’m sure she did her best to be healthy. Some things just happen.

    • TLM says:

      Can you email or call her for more of an explanation?

    • Kansas Girl says:

      You’ve got a lot of good advice here! This is what my mother died of. She was a nurse and tho tests could never prove it, they thought she had an exposure to hepatitis. She lived for many years with this condition — far longer than the doctors expected. Taking good care of health and watching diet was a huge help. It can also go into remission for a time. So the more your cousin knows, the better off she’ll be. She now knows the enemy and can arm herself for battle. You and she will be in my thoughts.

      • quincyil says:

        That’s how I feel about disease. I feel it is a war and you have to go to battle

        • HD says:

          Diet as most have said is a huge factor to good health and even reversing bad health. The body tends to work well when given the right tools. I would also look into taking some milk thistle it protects and repairs the liver and also drink lots and lots of lemon water. Like most said now she knows how to fight and she can. Blessings to you and your cousin!

          • twoile says:

            If I’m correct I believe the liver can regenerate, so taking “extra” care would certainly b beneficial……..best 2 both U & ur cousin.

  28. klmh says:

    This might help in your investigation since she mentioned hepatitis:


  29. Had Enough! says:

    Holy cow. Could it be possible that we (and the other RH/Bravo blogs) have really made a dent in TwoP (Television Without Pity)? I just saw a commercial for TwoP!!! Maybe so many people have left TwoP due to the evil STREGA and her flying monkeys that they are really hurting and need to advertise?

    Oh what a wonderful thought.

    Too bad the commercial didn’t say “It is safe to come back. Strega is gone.”

    To which I would say – too late, Bravo, way too effing late. I am staying here with Lynn.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Who is that Strega person- they are insane. I barely go to TWOP because he/she shuts down almost every conversation- even if it is reality to the HW shows.

      • quincyil says:

        I tried to follow their conversations a long time ago, but gave up on them.

      • Had Enough! says:

        Strega is a pathetic lonely woman who was part of the original group of moderators in a “hobby board” that was later acquired by Bravo for reasonably big bucks. Strega recapped a bunch of shows and then became a mod, but she never grasped the difference between fiction programs and reality programs, i.e., on the latter, there is no line between what you see on the screen and what happens off screen. So she – having no life – spends all her nonworking time taking out her hormonal rages on the TwoP commenters who break her insane rules. And after all these years, she’s still a hobby bitch. That’s right – she gets paid zip for being such a witch.

        This is her TwoP profile:

        a.k.aJust don’t call me Sue LikesPetty grudges, good books, bad television, her chinchilla, playing devil’s advocate, complaining about her many dislikes DisLikesCentipedes, laugh tracks, 95% of fandom, peanuts, Oliver Stone, and too many other things to name Favourite ShowsFarscape, Babylon 5, The Singing Detective, Fawlty Towers, The Prisoner, Aeon Flux? whoa, I’m such a geek. Yikes. BioStrega grew up watching Star Trek, Monty Python, and David Letterman, which probably explains a great deal. She was born in California, went to college in Illinois, and now lives in suburban Maryland, where she works in a gray, suburban office building. Strega spends far too much time thinking about cookies. Every so often, she remembers to update her website. RecapsAngel, The West Wing, Carnivale, Battlestar Galactica, Farscape

        But thanks to Strega, we all ended up here, so Strega can go wither away in her gray suburban Maryland office building and kiss my ass.

    • lillybee says:

      There is a new mod named Howard who is being annoying on the General Hospital board.

    • twoile says:

      Yes I’ve seen several commercials over the last few wks, very interesting…..personally I have not gone onto the Bravo site since finding Lynns’ excellent blog(s). Maybe there has been a significant decline in “hits” as a result of Bravos’ monitoring of the HW’s blogs including twop which, incidently I found simultaineously(2 Lynns’), I mistakenly thought was the same as Lynns’…….NOT! My expectation is that given the target demographics 4 HWS’ series, there may b more tech challenged (me!) viewers who have abandoned (Bravo blogs) b/c they r 2 manipulated etc.

  30. Had Enough! says:

    Teresa bitches at the judge!


    And Joe said:

    Joe Giudice also took the stand this afternoon and admitted forging both his wife’s and former business partner’s name on papers, claiming that it was a routine practice.
    “Everybody does it,” he said, adding that he “didn’t think it was a big deal.”

    Wow. Just wow. I don’t do it. And it is a big deal. You slimy POS.

    • klmh says:

      Thanks for reporting. Did he also mention its common practice to not only sign your partners name but walk away with a million bucks?
      Giudice got over 30 traffic tickets he didn’t pay for, and had a DUI, drove with a suspended license, gets find a piddly few bucks, and stays in jail for a few days for rest and relaxation. What do you think this judge is going to do? I envision the judge taking a bottle of single malt whiskey, opening it in chambers with the attorneys and all present, pouring a stiff one for all concerned and having a good laugh about this. Hope I’m wrong, but judges in NJ seem a bit lenient with this criminal.

      • Had Enough! says:

        This is a federal bankruptcy court judge. A whole different world from the state courts. I most seriously doubt that they even know these judges; this particular judge has sterling credentials.

        I am confused about why this trial is occurring now. There was nothing in the bankruptcy court schedule …. I must have missed it. Sorry.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      “Everybody” who is A CROOK, LIAR, AND THIEF does it, Joe. Which is why there usually are criminal charges for forgery, fraud, etc.

      How has this guy not been clipped yet? He even admits in court to committing fraud.

      • Blue Sky says:

        Sadly there are lots of people like Joe in NJ, getting away with crimes. Some get convicted, put in prison for a lengthy term, then magically are released due to “health problems.” I don’t trust the DA in my county, not sure about the police…and I am very serious. I would contact the FBI, not any state agency, to report a crime.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      How surprised could she have been when all the collection notices and calls were coming in for demands of payment? How surprised could she have been when she went to use her credit card and it was declined? How surprised could have she have been when she went to get into the Maserati and found out it was repo-ed?

      Granted, she is a moron but even Forrest Gump could have seen this coming.

  31. Rabble Rouser says:

    I really enjoyed the MM blog- I must have blinked and missed JZ’s appearance- she was suppose to be on wasn’t she?,

    I enjoyed Lynn’s NeNe blog too although I can’t say I agree with most of her sentiments about NeNe. That’s cool though, I don’t think everyone here has to agree about everyone and everything. Really it’s just a minor detail in this awesome community.

    While NeNe does have a quick wit, I don’t see her as a crown jewel in entertainment, nor do I see her a loyal friend or wife. I think she is pretty ragged and self indulgent. I think her head is hopelessly swelled- and if it wasn’t for her snappy comebacks and comical candor- she would be pretty much the same as a Jill Zarin.

    Rumors of her infidelity came to the surface last year- and Greg had her back. This season we have seen her accuse Greg of cheating although there hasn’t been any proof (even a ‘ho’ coming out of the wood work) to support this accusation. She went to to see a divorce attorney well before the leaked tape of Greg came out, not to mention she has thrown Greg under the bus every chance she got this season- so much so that her story line primarily consisted of her complaining about Greg and her marriage.al

    I’ve said it before, but Nene isn’t the great communicator she thinks she is. She can’t comprehend the difference between talking TO someone and talking AT them.

    Her son- the boy she raised into ‘man-HOOD’ is a work shy idiot. IMO- typically the type of people who get caught with weed in their procession while visiting someone in jail- are also the same type of people who SMUGGLE this crap in.

    Now- he has some girl pregnant….

    The huff and puff scene we saw with NeNe and Brice- was all just smoke and mirrors. Brice didn’t suddenly overnight become a lazy drug user without ambition; so for her to tolerate if for as long as she did- then try to throw the gauntlet down, isn’t good parenting. It’s failed parenting- and much too little- much too late.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      NeNe’s temper would give me pause. She can’t stop once she gets started on the program, i. e., Dwight and Kim. She gets right in your face. However, as a ‘character,’ she still is TV watching gold to me. Just not platinum and diamonds like Bethenny; B appeal spreads across to other media than just TV.

  32. JazzNightOut says:

    Where’s WSL?! It’s getting juicy for the Giudices; I want her here to enjoy it.

  33. klmh says:


    Could someone with a twitter acct write to Kim G and ask her to Please Please outbid the Giudice’s and give the furniture to charity or whatever? It would be a lovely holiday gesture on her part…

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  35. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    EXCLUSIVE: Claims Against NJ Housewife Teresa Giudice Dismissed In Fraud Case; Husband’s Kept IntactEXCLUSIVE: Claims Against NJ Housewife Teresa Giudice Dismissed In Fraud Case; Husband’s Kept Intact
    Real Housewives of New Jersey star Teresa Giudice is now in the clear in a fraud lawsuit brought against her husband Joe by a former business partner. Claims against Teresa were dropped Wednesday by a New Jersey judge and RadarOnline.com was on the scene as the court action unfolded.

    Teresa testified injury in the federal case that was brought against Joe Giudice by his former business partner, Joe Mastropole, who claims that the housewife’s hubby forged Mastropole’s signature on a mortgage document in order to take out another loan and keep $1 million for himself.

    Mastropole alleged in his claims against the Giudices that Teresa participated in fraudulent activities along with her husband because her name and signature is on the mortgages.

    Judge Morris Stern dismissed claims against Teresa based on information given in court that proved she was not connected to her husband’s business dealings and although her signatures were on the mortgages she was not a business partner in her husband’s real estate ventures.

    However, according to the judge, this may not fully exonerate Teresa as there still may be a breach of contract issue.

    In 2007, Mastropole claims he gave Joe a $586,000 loan secured by three East Orange, NJ, buildings. He says Giudice repaid only $300,000 — and the balance was due three years ago. Instead of re-paying the money owed to Mastropole, Giudice forged a June 2007 document stating the mortgage was paid, says Mastropole.

    Mastropole won an October 2009 judgment in the case, which is now in dispute because the Giudices filed for bankruptcy that same month. The Guidices are hoping the debt will be discharged because of their bankruptcy.

    Teresa’s husband Joe also testified Wednesday as his lawyers attempted to get all claims dismissed.

    But the judge refused to dismiss fraud and willful and malicious injury claims against Joe Giudice, who was hurt by testimony from his former attorney Joe Testa. The attorney was treated as a witness in this case.

    The judge is now deciding whether the debt will be considered dischargeable based on the bankruptcy.

    There is no date set for judge’s decision.


    • justanothermary says:

      As much as I hate to admit it, I think it was probably proper to dismiss Tree. I’m quite certain that she signed whatever Trunk put in front of her and asked no questions (Ain’t a good puppet Joe? Ain’t I?). Just the idea that she would understand any type of business dealings is absurd. Any judge who listened to her speak more than 5 words would know that she is not very bright. Should she have know – ABSOLUTELY; did she – I don’t think so.

      • Need a Hobby says:

        Teresa plays dumb when it suits her. She’s not as dumb as she sounds. Arrogant, with an unearned sense of entitlement, yes. But not as stupid as she wants people to believe when it’s convenient for her. She previously bragged about her businesses, property etc until shit hit the fan & then all of a sudden she “knows nothing.” Bull.

    • Adgirl says:

      This is going to end very badly for Juicy. I don’t know anything about NJ law but the allegations & admittances made in civil court by Joe concerning fraud and forgery are admissable in most criminal cases right?

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I don’t know why it would be privileged and since Joe’s ex- attorney was able to testify against him in civil court, I don’t know why he would be prohibited from it in criminal court.

        I’m not sure why this case is bring brought up again tho, I thought his ex-partner already got a judgment against him in this matter.

        • BessiB says:

          Two different forgeries: 1) forgery to indicate the $286K was paid off, then ) the forgery to obtain a $1M loan on a property

      • quincyil says:

        Do you think he put the money into her dream house?

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          of course!
          IMO, Teresa knows everything and is lying through her teeth – Joe brags to his wife!

      • Mimisfbay says:

        Hope springs eternal. These people, both NJ and CA are pond scum. It is so outrageous that they forge documents and walk away from millions with a shrug. It is appalling that they not only get away with this stuff but that they are picked up for a reality show.

    • klmh says:

      Wait, when can an attorney testify against a former client?

      • quincyil says:

        I thought there was confidentiality between a lawyer and his client, but he has to be paid. I once had a friend ask me for one dollar because I asked him a question about something. That way there was the protection. It was not a big deal. I saw something and didn’t know if you were required by law to report it or not.

  36. Adgirl says:

    I can’t wait for NeNe’s appearance on Celebrity Apprentice. That is a really tough show. You can’t hide on there. If she handles herself well this could become something really big for her, but it will painful for her.
    She’s been a gas and a gas-bag on RHOA. Her behavior last year really turned me off (setting up Kim for the Sheree wig tugging, demanding to be on Tardy, chasing Kandi around Sheree’s party etc) but I have forgiven her.
    It’s one thing to be the Queen of Atlanta HW but something else to get a serious foothold outside of it. She’s a hard worker and truly wants to make something of her opportunity. I hope it works out for her. She’ll need to money to raise Bryce’s baby.

  37. Adgirl says:

    I kind of feel bad for Bethenny in that SWTS will be her 2nd reality competition show that she appeared on the first season and it flopped (assuming SWTS is a flop). Bethenny was on Martha Stewart’s Apprentice, the show’s first and only season – it was cancelled. This was prior to her being cast on RH.

    I hope this doesn’t discourage casting directors to avoid her or to feel she’s over exposed.

  38. boston02127 says:

    A woman has a TINY waist that is about as wide as a jar of mayonnaise.

    from OMG facts

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  40. quincyil says:

    I wonder if Gretchen feels badly that a young designer went home after she measureed Gretchen in spanx. Gretchen must have know the measurements would be wrong. Gretchen designs clothes so she knows that is improtant.

  41. klmh says:

    If you aren’t watching anything in particular, on 269, the History Channel the Third Reich, the Fall is on. Some things I had never heard before. Fascinating and frightening…

    • boston02127 says:

      Have you ever watched Conspiracy Theory?

      • klmh says:

        No. Is it a movie or documentary?

      • klmh says:

        There was a documentary I think on History a few days ago. Somehow someone got the diary of one of Hitler’s physicians. He had a bucket load of problems besides the obvious. He apparently has Parkinson’s and in 1940 was tested for Syphilis but the test was negative. During his later years he was given what they gave Syphilis patients, and he had all the symptoms except speech and one other problem. I was only able to watch it a few minutes, but need to try to find it again. I had no clue. He also had an intestinal problem and was prescribed a bit of arsenic with another med several times a day to reduce his gas. You have to wonder what that did to his already demented mind. They are finding new information about this time an the people involved even today.

      • klmh says:

        Found it. I can’t tolerate Mel Gibson, but I’ll read about it… Thanks

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Don’t know if you saw, but last night they had on the first part of the documentary, the Rise of the Reich. Focusing on what people of that time wrote & thought about what was going on.

      Thanks for reminding me the second part is on tonight. I’m on west coast so I have time. to catch it.

      • klmh says:

        Well, no I didn’t see that. Darn it. It will be on again probably. Did you see the documentary about Hitler’s illnesses and do you remember the name?

        • boston02127 says:

          @klmh –I found the HC schedule. I’m don’t know the name of it so I won’t know it if I see it. Maybe you will.


        • Need a Hobby says:

          I missed the one about his health.

          Last night they also had one on about Hitler’s family/relatives….including those living today. I missed most of that. Looks like that one’s going to be repeated late tonight (early tomorrow morning).

          They’ll probably repeat all of the shows again. THC gets into programming ruts. A friend of mine called it the Hitler Channel because for a while it seemed it was mainly WW II & Hitler all the time. Then THC will go into its Nostradamus/end of the world phase or something else. It’s like binge programming. 😉

          • Adgirl says:

            …like Bravo housewife binges?

          • klmh says:

            Exactly! hope so anyway. I might be able to find it on a dvd somewhere…

          • Blue Sky says:

            Between watching shows about Hitler and the 2012 end of the world shows, there really isn’t any hope at all. Nostradamus predicted 3 anti-christs. Napoleon was #1, Hitler #2 and the 3rd one must be coming as part of the 2012 end of the world scenario. Better move up my time table of escaping to Canada before 2012, just in case! RCH (Real City Housewife) should do a blog about this, if she ever comes back to blogging after her ghost experience.

  42. butterisafruit says:

    I don’t understand how he could forge is partner’s signature. Well he can but why would the bank accept it. We have a small business and our lives are one giant loan. When we mortgage, refinance or take out a new loan, we MUST sign in front of a rep. from the bank.
    There have been times when our lawyer has had authorization, and we’ve had to deal with notaries. However the banks are quite firm, on this. They want a body to make the signature. The do everything but take fingerprints.

    • lillybee says:

      Maybe Joe has a notary on his payroll.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Hmm, you definitely do not live in New Jersey. Things like forging a partner’s signature, that’s like the big red button on the Staple’s commercials “that was easy!” The mortgage banks, local banks, county DA, police, mayors, city zoning boards, dare I say even judges & juries can all help the connected client do whatever they are doing – legal or not. It all depends on who you know, if you know what I mean. Passaic & Hudson County are cesspools of corruption, and even some other counties in NJ are bad too.

  43. Had Enough! says:

    Will someone please explain to me why Anthony Bourdain insists on wearing these grandpa suits? They are just not his style and they make him look old. Tonight, the black suit with the skinny tie isn’t nearly as bad as that navy pin striped number with the red tie in the Bravo step and repeat photo, but still. The guy looks great in a plain white shirt and jeans and flip flops but in a suit, meh.

    • Adgirl says:

      He wore something similar on No Reservations this week (in India). I guess skinny suits are in – if you are skinny.

    • LynnnSoCal says:

      Let me preface this by saying Tony is my dream man, he can do whatever he wants! I’m not liking the suit look, but I think it may be to set a tone for the judges table. I’m trying to forget the bad suit photo from some event he attended last week. Not flattering. Still, I’d kill to run my fingers through his curly, silvered, locks! TMI? Yes, I know…he’s married.

  44. Wall St Lady says:

    So LynnnSoCal & California3d
    U r both born on Dec.6 ?
    If so u didn’t invite me to ur birthday party !

    • justanothermary says:

      WSL – ot question – I’m still unable to find an attorney – any ideas?

      • justanothermary says:

        My email is **** if you want to answer off the board. Thanks so much! I’m at my rope’s end!

        *** From Lynn: Please forward your email’s to me for Mary, I’ll make sure that she gets them.

        LynnAHudson@aol.com or LynnAHudson@gmail.com Thanks!

      • Adgirl says:

        Hi Mary, I know your question was for WSL but I was wondering if you are in touch already with a cancer group? Maybe there is a person there who has an attorney. Also, I had to look up cases on the internet involving a hospital (superior court civil cases in a certain county). I used the plaintiff’s attorneys as a call list.
        One more thing to try is drop in to personal injury attorney’s (which is what you need anyway) office and bug the receptionist a little until she gets you an appointment.

        I couldn’t get one for my family because I was living in another part of the state and couldn’t drop in regularly. My family members who needeed the assistance were too young (mid 20’s) to have the cojones so they never got representation.

        Just random thoughts. Sorry to intrude.

      • Blue Sky says:

        JustAnotherMary, you could send an email to Lynn LynnAHudson@aol.com or LynnAHudson@gmail.com & ask Lynn to forward it to WSL.

        Ask WSL what she thinks about taking your story to the media (Anderson Cooper? WSL knows Kathy Gifford personally!) if attorneys don’t think they can help you. Maybe shame MN state agency that oversees doctor malpractice into doing something for you, but that would be your last resort.

        • justanothermary says:

          Thank you both for your imput – please don’t think you’re intruding. I’m up at this hour cuz I’m stressing. I really need to find some answers. I think the MN state agencies is an angle I haven’t tried. Also, I can’t be the only one with an issue with Abbott Northwestern, maybe looking up those cases and contacting the plaintiff’s attorney is a good idea. At least it gives me something to do other than worry.


    • LynnnSoCal says:

      Jan 6, you didn’t miss anything yet. Thanks for asking, WSL!

    • California35 says:

      Jan 6th 🙂 Coming up soon.

  45. TLM says:

    This is hysterical — Teresa yells at someone, “You’re violating ethnics!” And she isn’t talking about immigration.


  46. Adgirl says:

    Did anyone watch Top Chef?
    Agh! I did not one of the two people who was sent home to leave! And I adore Fabio but his food is dissed every week – how does he hang on?

    I almost had a heart attack watching all of the high speed slicing during the Quickfire. Amazing that all of their fingers were left in tact. My huge American Bulldog was giving me her “gimmee busybone” stare with heavy, very loud panting during the Quickfire and I thought I’d have to put her in the car to keep my blood pressure in check.

    • justanothermary says:

      I’m just glad Stephen is gone. What an obnoxious SOB. Thankfully the judges are not as impressed by him as he is impressed by himself. I simply do not tolerate the arrogance of people like Stephen and Marcel – it’s so unattractive!

      • LynnnSoCal says:

        I’m surprised he lasted this long! He did seem to admit he’d been away from the kitchen area of his restaurant too long. So why bother competing? No loss. Anthony was much less snarky this week. What’s up?

    • JKW says:

      Adgirl…I didn’t mind either of the contestants being eliminated. I didn’t think either would last long. I dont get the Fabio thing either and figured he would be gone.

    • American Idiot says:

      This was a good article, Had Enough. Looks like Camille attended the same college as i did. Don’t think she graduated from there, however. Wonder if she ever finished her degree. I also remember reading she attended NYU for film and also a college in CA for film.

  47. Had Enough! says:

    Scummy grifter chutzpah:

    Bellinos may sue Chase


    They claim the bank changed the terms of their loan mod. I say: BS. I say – they were negotiating and didn’t get the terms they wanted. At most they had a verbal agreement to certain terms but you know what? Until it is on paper and signed (and NOT a Joisy Joe Giudice signature, if ya know what I mean), you don’t have a deal.

    Where is Bravo finding all this pond scum?

    • quincyil says:

      In the case of the Bellinos, I think they manipulated their way into the OC housewives. They made friends with Jeana after she helped them purchase their home. I am not sure what house this was since it seems they rented the one on TV which is probably grander because it is all about appearances.

      If Jeff Lewis with his great taste and ability to flip houses can’t make a living in the California market at this time, how can someone like Jim?

      I think the mega church membership had something to do with the Alexis choice too. Here you have a conservative church and an “enhanced” Alexis at the same time. Bravo producers just loved that. Alexis really didn’t take any hits last season in the show. Vicki said some things, but who listens to Vicki?

      I guess they will have to change the name of the Real Housewives of Orange County to Cougars loose in the burbs this year.

  48. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Good morning~
    I wanted to read Lynn & Quincy’s Blogs before commenting~I missed the shows too because I fall asleep very early & get up around 5 am or sometimes 4 am like this morning. I will watch both episodes when they come on early~lol~
    I guess I didn’t miss much~is this 2 parts?
    Your blogs are hilarious & well written as always~
    It’s funny all these people that Jill are friends with popping out of the woodwork~
    She still makes me sick to watch her. I don’t know if anyone answered but is this the NYC wives last season? I thought I read somewhere that it was.
    I don’t get MM anymore either~I used to watch because there was nothing else on.
    I hope you all having a fabulous day 🙂

  49. Had Enough! says:

    “Mornin should i wear a red dress or a nude shirt and leather skirt today, thoughts??”

    Everyone – please yell as loud as you can:


    • quincyil says:

      Feathers are always in fashion. Yellow feathers with a a yellow cap and yellow boots. Yep… It’s called the Big Bird ensemble. I hope to be a fashion stylist someday.

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        I love my rasta hat & red gloves~looks hysterical but it’s the warmest. How was watching housewives on fashion show?

        • quincyil says:

          I think this was an interesting challenge for the designers. They had to work with non manequin figures. How can you make a dress that is attractive for short people with normal figures? What looks good on them? It’s something we all want to know.

          You really see the personalities of the designers on this show. It’s not a fight in their apartments, it’s how they react under the time pressures of creating collections.

          I love Isaac and Iman. The judges really look at the fashions and ignore personalities. Isaac deals with personality conflicts in a fair way. I love it that Isaac encourages all of the designers and even want to steal their ideas with a wink of his eye.

          I love Tabatha’s show too because she is trying to help people become better. Everyone has to have hair cuts so she helps customers also.

          I am not a fan of Patti Stanger or her show. I think she is not a good person. It bothers me that she takes Jill Zarin’s side in arguments without considering that other people have to survive in this economy too.

          I like “Flipping Out,” but I think Jeff is mean to people. It’s the clean design that he uses and his color pallet that I am fascinated by in his show. His kitchen for “House Beautiful” was fantastic and I wish I could have seen it in NYC.

          I follow the housewife series because I study Human interactions. If I can understand how people relate to each other, it helps me in the real world.

          • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

            I love Issac as well~Tabitha Too~Iman scares me a little 😉
            I hate that I cannot stay up to watch shows when they are on but I usually get caught up Saturday mornings of all times~
            I like Jeff too but I would have been a basket case if I had to work for him. I am way extremely sensitive to critical remarks especially when you know you are doing above & beyond for your boss.
            The only reason I wanted to see Jersey wives was to see Teresa make a fool out of herself~
            She does have a great body~even without paid for boobies~;)

      • Had Enough! says:

        I think you’ve hit on the perfect KellIdiot outfit for the occasion!

  50. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Good morning HD~
    What is the occasion today?
    I didn’t read all the comments yet, just the blogs..

    • Had Enough! says:

      Are you replying to me, and my comment about what KooKooPuff should wear to her WinkyDinky joory show? I am Had Enough, not HD. I would love to have HD’s talent and heart, but sadly, I am just a middle-aged broad with a smidgeon of insight into a bunch of things that really don’t matter.

      So I don’t know how long you’ve been watching Real Housewives, particularly NY, or following the escapades of Kelly Bensimon, our pet moron, aka Jill’s Trained Sasquatch. Well, her tweets alternate between WTF, stupid, insane, nasty…sometimes she manages all at one time. And she wears clothes that would look terrible on an AUTHENTIC model, and on her weird body, they look vomitaceous. And they are almost always way, way too short. Like long shirts.

      So today she asked our advice about what she should wear…and that’s why I said we should all shout real loud that she should cover her coochie (also known in NJ as a chuckie). I guess we should have added: NOT pink pajama bottoms, NOT Davy Boone’s lace-up suede moccasin boots with fringe, NOT bunched-up brown plastic garbage bags with a faux Lanvin label, NOT this:


      NOT this:

      NOT this:

      NOT this:

      NOT this:

      You get the picture (pun intended!)?

  51. Had Enough! says:

    Is it wrong that I was laughing out loud while watching WWHL last night? I am not a fan of Andy Cohen, but Amy Sedaris was hysterical and Tom Colicchio – so adorable! His eyes are kind and sweet and sexy all at the same time. He was so funny with the googly eyes mask. I thought that candle salad thing was just a stupid joke, but I googled it and sure enough, it was popular in the 1950s, and apparently even appeared in a Betty Crocker cookbook.

    candle salad


    • Kat says:

      Pass the phallic salad.

    • kbinldo says:

      I loved that they put “Ramona Eyes” on Amy’s blindfold. Made Tom crack up so much he couldn’t feed her.

    • LynnnSoCal says:

      No, I was too! Amy rocks! Her brother is even more hilarious. David Sedaris, highly recommend him! They’ve written some plays together too. One of the better WWHL’s.

  52. Had Enough! says:

    But how do we know she wasn’t lying?


    Like Mastropole said….she’s acting dumb.

    • quincyil says:

      I think she may have an extremely low IQ. She has difficulty speaking our language and she was in NJ schools for 12 years. I suspect she was a poor student. She didn’t understand basic bookkeeping when she comingled her personal account with the web site funds. I think she just didn’t know that this was illegal.

      She has a good figure and looks good in photos, but that doesn’t mean you are intelligent. I wonder about the blogs that had the foul capital letters. I can see Teresa wanting to insult the fans, but how in the world did she come up with that? She is not that smart.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      “Everybody’s doing it!” You said “Everybody”. Hmmm if everbody was jumping off a bridge would you jump off too? Kudos to mothers everywhere. 🙂

      Everybody’s paying taxes, filing tax returns, paying bills, saving for their future (when they can), driving sober and legally, being productive citizens who walk in an upright position without dragging their knuckles on the floor. Can’t you emulate that JizzyJoe?

      • quincyil says:

        I wonder if Joe grew up in a family that did not respect laws. Look at his brother’s bankruptcy too. They created ahouse of cards business model.

        I think it’s fascinating to see private homes owned by corporations where the expenses for living in a mansion are paid by shell companies. If only the rest of us could use the Jim Bellinos method of being rich.

        I have to file state and federal taxes every year. Why didn’t someone notice that Joe and Teresa didn’t file? The government is at fault here too. I bet in the years that they did file there were problems with accuracy. They probably got away with it from the very start.

        Who goes on a reality show when you have so much dirty laundry? Don’t they know they will be researched?

        • Blue Sky says:

          you are starting to get how crooks get mentored, family style here in … NJ

          • quincyil says:

            and NYC… Bernie Madoof’s parents had gone to jail for a Ponzi scheme when he was young. It makes you think his sons were trying to blame everything on their dad and it didn’t work. Why is Mrs. Bernie Madoff not in jail when she was Bernie’s bookkeeper? Surely, a book keeper knows the books are cooked.

  53. Had Enough! says:

    I want to make sure everyone understands the effect of the dismissal of Teresa from this case. A creditor who gets a judgment against only one of two spouses can not attach property owned by both of them. So if Mastropole gets a judgment only against Joisey Juicy, he can’t go after any property owned by both of them. At this point, it looks like the only property of value is the house, and the bank is owed more than it is worth, but in any case, he would not be able to go after any jointly-owned property if he has a judgment only against one of them.

    What is worrying me is this claim that he also forged her signature on the bankruptcy petition. She may skate as a result; it could end up that the two cases to deny the bankruptcy relief end up going forward only against Joe. Except that even if it is true that he forged her signature, the trustees could argue that she acceded to it and affirmed her intent to seek bankruptcy relief because after she learned about it, she actively participated in the case and never went to the trustee or the court to ask to be removed from the case. I don’t remember her claiming in her response to the trustees’ cases that her signature was forged on the bankruptcy petition.

    But there is always the IRS…but even then, there is “innocent spouse” relief…

    Click to access p971.pdf

    But I think that’s limited to people who filed but omitted things. I don’t know if you can get innocent spouse relief if you never filed at all.

    • quincyil says:

      Do you think he is taking the rap for her?

      • Had Enough! says:

        Maybe. That may be her price for not throwing his sorry ass out. She’s earning the $$, not him, and if she ends up in serious trouble, that $$ stops and then there are the four kids. So yeah it is more than possible that they cooked this up deliberately. And this way, if he goes to jail eventually (maybe on the tax evasion), she gets rid of him anyway, at least for a while.

      • quincyil says:

        Way back when they were filming that last season of NJ… in the Country Club fight with Danielle, Teresa seemed to know a lot about her house not being lost in the bankruptcy. I think the strategy of Teresa being cleared so the house could not be attached was in place one year ago. That’s why Teresa was so sure. Good lawyers guiding their clients.

        • Had Enough! says:

          IIRC, she was yelling that her house was not under [sic] foreclosure. I don’t think she said anything about bankruptcy. And if the bankruptcy petition had in fact been filed by then, it would have stayed the foreclosure proceeding. Unfortunately, NJ courts have limited info online, so I’ve never been able to find out if a foreclosure action was ever filed, but I doubt it just because (a) some reporter would have hauled her ass to the courthouse by now to check and (b) the banks have been swamped with defaults and it is taking quite a long time to file foreclosure actions (that’s why they hired the robo-signers that got them all into such hot water recently).

          • quincyil says:

            I watched a news program where people looked at their positions as up side down on mortgages and then the laws. With their incomes, they decided to give up the houses and take the hit for a number of years because they could put away money and when the time limit was up, but another house. I think Simon Barney came up with that strategy too.

            I bet it’s like a divorce in that one partner knows it’s going to happen and moves money around to hide assets from another. I have watched that happen here. You don’t want to get involved because it’s not your business, but it makes you made that they are cheating in more than one way.

        • Buffywood says:

          “The Defendant wife testified at the Meeting of Creditors that she does not
          have any interests in any businesses, which was a false oath in light of her subsequent
          disclosure of her ownership of TG Fabulicious, LLC.”… This was as the same meeting December 23, 2009… Was this a body double?

      • Buffywood says:

        I absolutely believe she knows everything that is going and this whole “I didn’t know” tactic is nothing more than a plan to keep one of them out of jail and increase their chances of keeping something. This bitch can’t say in one interview “I have my own properties” and then turn around and say “It’s in my name?”. Sorry Bitch, I don’t buy it. So she didn’t know what was going one? She testified in person on Dec 23, 2009 regarding the bankruptcy AND one of the topics she testified about was the tax returns submitted. I hope the courts nail them both as this yes I make all of the money but it is MINE because I knew nothing can’t fly. Seriously, how much does a handwriting expert cost? I’ll send the state of New Jersey a check to cover it.

        • Buffywood says:

          I couldn’t fine a forclosure action on the Indian Lane house either, but there was s forclosure action notice filed on Teresa’s 86 Pine Street property (the property is ONLY in her name) date August 7, 2009. Yet again showing this bitch knew they had financial issues.

          • Buffywood says:

            To put some dates to events… Bankruptcy filing was in Oct 29, 2009 and the fashion show was November 11, 2009 so Bitch (aka Teresa) knew they had already filed bankruptcy.

            • quincyil says:

              That’s what I thought too. I remember reading comments on blogs from people in New Jersey. I think the online sights didnt’ pick up on this until later.

  54. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    No one I know here in KY watches these shows except me. I tried to get my 80 yr old mama to watch but she hates them as she does soaps. Her mama watched a couple of soaps though. She likes CSI & cop shows & lawyer shows.
    I also love Kathy Griffin & just finished reading her book~it was hilarious just like her!

    • HD says:

      You are sadly mistaken, I am in KY. 🙂

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Thank you HD~my mistake lol~
        nobody I know until now that is you sweetie~

        • HD says:

          No one that I know here watches them all like I do either (probably besides you). I have been watching Real Housewives since OC and I have not missed one episode of any show from that point on. I am not sure if I should be proud of that or not. LOL!

          • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

            I am the same~I tried not to watch but get sucked in every time. I was not going to watch DC wives then saw one episode & they were quite likable most of them. Except of course the lying duet~
            Now my favorites are still NYC ~ OC ~ sometimes Jersey & now DC~the Atlanta wives are a little too hard to relate to for me. I also thought I would hate Beverly Hillbilly Wives as I call them~but I like them except u know who?

            • HD says:

              After Jill pissed me off where I thought my head was going to explode I told myself I was NOT going to watch anymore but I can’t help myself! And every show there is one person that seems to just make me so angry Jill, Phaedra, Salihi’s, Camille…hmmm no one has made me mad on OC. The only one on OC I wanted to slap one good time was Lynne for being so silly when it came to her kids.

              • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

                Vicky gets on my nerves big time for some reason. I think because she acts like her poopies don’t stink & we know they do lol
                I like the rest of OC too.

      • quincyil says:

        I started watching when the NYC girls came on TV. The reason was their clothes. I saw previews and liked their dresses. Then, I notice the OC and didn’t like it forever. I really like NYC, DC, and BH. I like their homes and clothes.

    • kbinldo says:

      Did you read her mom’s book? TIP IT! LOL!

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        No I haven’t, but being an alcoholic I probably won’t lol~that was what I used to drink too~

        • error 404 says:

          What’s your take on the Maggie jokes? I can never tell if Kathy is always making fun of her Mom’s alcoholism because it’s true, or because it’s not.

          • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

            In her book she said she makes up a lot of it for the show as far as Maggie goes. Her mama really does not drink that much. But she said she has relatives that went from beautiful, sweet, loving people to screaming maniacs that had their lives destroyed. I can relate unfortunately Error~

  55. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Someone’s gotta watch her kids right?
    Her parents are probably getting tired of doing it for her.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Baabee – if you are replying to a specific comment, click ib “reply” so your comment stays with the discussion you are taking part in. Otherwise, it just shows up as a new comment and it is hard to know what it belongs to.

  56. HD says:

    This is for anyone and I know I probably soooooooo late….Lynn said Gretchen is the only one that can call herself a OC Housewife….Did she marry Slade?

  57. Had Enough! says:

    SHOUT LOUDER. She still hasn’t heard us. Here’s one of her “fashion” choices for today:


    Not as freaky as some of her outfits, but too short, baggy, the belt does nothing except draw attention to an already way-too-top-heavy outfit. It looks like a long red shirt with no shape.

    Someone has got to tell her that her legs are going to look long even if she wears a dress of a more flattering length, and then she won’t look so ridiculous.

    • error 404 says:

      No, I will not clap for that, nor will I shout.

      You’re talking about a woman who thinks direct insults are good press. Since she’s a former “model” and a former “fashion editor” I somehow feel that there’s always a queue of people trying to tell her to stop at all times, she just turns the volumn down to 1 since she can’t stand all the noise.

  58. TLM says:

    Teresa may be responsible for butchering languages other than English. First of all, does anyone else recall her blaming her poor English skills on the fact that she lived in Italy until she was 2 years old or something? Or let’s say 5. Is she kidding? I’ve known people who came to the US in their thirties who have a greater command of the English language.

    And then, to her use of Italian, her supposedly native language. This has been a bug up my butt ever since I heard it. In the famous table-flipping episode, she is heard to say to Joe, “Viso, il libro.” Bravo subtitled this phrase as: “Look, the book.”

    My Italian skills are elementary at this stage, but “viso” means “face.” It is not even a conjugation for visionare (veez-ee-oh-nahr-ay), to view something (which would still not exactly be the correct use, since it means to view, as in microfilm). But, giving Tree the benefit of the doubt, the imperative of visionare would be “visiona” (veez-ee-oh-nah). Not “viso.”

    The correct verb to have used would be guardare (gwar-dahr’-ay) – to look at – and the imperative would be “guarda” (gwar’-dah). So, talking to Joe, she should have said, “Guarda, il libro.” Is there anyone with advanced Italian skills who can back this up or correct it?

    • error 404 says:

      people like Teressa speak dialect, not proper Italian. Imagine for a minute trying to translate Nene into proper English. “Plonk” alone would stump me.

      I was living in Florence when I visited Sicily, and really, I could have swore they were all talking Arabic, that’s how off the accent is. Imagine if you’d learned British English, and then visited New Orleans… you’d be lost.

      Then again, I was never so lost as that one time in London when a cockney gent stopped me on the street sounding just like Jim Branning. To this day I still don’t know a single word he said!

      • TLM says:

        I guess what I would want to know if what she said is even correct dialect. My money is on no, LOL. Maybe it was correct, but good Lord, I just can’t stand that woman. 😉

        I remember first studying Italian and wondering why everyone here says “Pasta Fah-zool'” when it is “Pasta -eh-fahg-ee-oh-lee” to look at the spelling. I learned that that actually IS a dialect, and actually is spoken that way in Italy, not just an American bastardization as I had assumed.

        Philadelphia’s Italian-American population is second in the US only to NYC. Unfortunately, I grew up around people using isolated words rather than the Italian language, usually referring to food. Few of the children and grandchildren of the immigrants speak the language, but rather just know words. It would drive me insane when they would say “Pro-zhoot” without pronouncing the o at the end, or “Mozzarelle” without the a at the end. (For any of the “Jersey Shore” watchers, you’ll note this pronunciation there as well). I thought this was an attempt to sound more authentic, but was incorrect. After doing some digging, I found that many of the people in my area are from the poorer southern part of Italy, and several families who own restaurants are from Ischia. And as it turns out, southern Italians actually do speak that way.

        I hear you about certain styles of American English speech. I tuned into the Tom Joyner Show one day after seeing him profiled on 60 Minutes, and couldn’t understand a thing. I have asked coworkers to translate words like “trifling” to me(!), so at least I have a basic understanding. I love language and didn’t want to shy away from it, but rather to understand it. But I think there is a distinction between cultural phrases and things that are just plain wrong. Words like “conversate”, as in, “We need to conversate”, make me blanch. I have actually heard a law school graduate say this.

        Sorry, I guess that went kind of off-topic. Thank you for your input Error! Would love to hear more about your time in Italy.

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