IHJZ The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Air Date Dec 23, 2010

The show opens with all of the wives trying to explain to their husbands what on earth happened at Camille’s dinner party from hell. With the exception of Camille, whose husband moved 3,000 miles away from her to get some peace and be interesting, the men all got the scoop on the previous evening’s events.

I really am a bit disappointed that we don’t see more of Adrienne on the Beverly Hills housewives, she is just too normal, not enough controversy or bickering from Adrienne. The only one she bickers with his her husband. Tonight we saw Adrienne attending the two events of the evening but she tries to say neutral and even create peace between Camille and Kyle.

Adrienne had lunch with Camille and even while Camille attempted to make the whole meal a discussion of Kyle’s faults, Adrienne was careful to remain neutral. Camille’s constant rants about Kyle even forced Adrienne to end the lunch by saying she had to pick up her son. The salads were finished but and Adrienne left rubber burning on the café sidewalk. We know how you feel Adrienne!

Lisa held a fundraiser for a young lady who had been burned by a virtual stranger that she had one date with. A horrifying situation but typical of Lisa to help those in need, her fashion show luncheon raised $25,000 even without Camille Grammer and her millions. Not only does Camille fail to show up at the fashion show but she ensures that Kyle’s afternoon is ruined by texting her that the Grammers will no longer do business with Kyle’s husband Mauricio, their realtor.

We would need to consult a psychiatrist to really diagnosis Camille Grammer but what kind of woman sends a text message like that under these circumstances? It literally makes no sense, unless the Grammer’s were, at that very moment, in the market for a new home or wanting to sell a home, there wouldn’t be any business to be done anyway. Add to that, Kelsey Grammer is the one with the money and would most likely be making the decisions about who to do business with. I can just see Camille going to her husband with her complaint against Kyle and making a business decision based on the psychosis of his wife.

Camille “Kelsey, Kyle said I wasn’t interesting unless you were with me, don’t buy any more houses from her husband”.

Kelsey “Hey baby, I hear the blues a-callin’, Tossed salad and scrambled eggs, And maybe I seem a bit confused, Yeah maybe, but I got you pegged! “

Camille would rather televise her affair with her married friend, Nick than attend a fundraiser as she gears up to get on the BMW motorcycle and ride off into the sunset. There is no way that woman should have been on the back of his bike, not only because it should have been his own wife sitting there but because Camille Grammer dissed her husband’s Harley Davidson motorcycle and should be smacked around for that alone. Kelsey Grammer should bring that one scene to court with him as he divorces this bitch, any judge would view that scene and give Kelsey his divorce with great speed.

Kelsey probably thinks the same thing that we’re all thinking, Camille really is DULL without her husband by her side. If Camille Grammer thinks she was “verbally abused”, she should read some of the tweets that have been sent to her.

Lisa is a bit more involved in the Kyle/Camille war than Adrienne, while she doesn’t get into the arguments, she definitely has an opinion and she can see who is right and who is wrong and she’s not afraid to tell it like it is.

Taylor Armstrong is a strange bird, as she plans her Roaring 20’s party she makes a call to Camille to ensure that she’ll be there. Since Camille missed Lisa’s fundraiser, Taylor is worried that she won’t have the fun party that is the talk of the town if she doesn’t have the friction between the battling Housewives at her party. She couldn’t stand to have a dull, uneventful bash that no one is talking about the next morning.

Kim refused to attend the party because her daughter was leaving town the next day to get away from her crazy controlling mother and spend some time with her father in Texas. While Kim did apologize to Taylor for the “go blow up your lips” comment, she chooses to say home and fold her kid’s clothes rather than have another “blow up” with Taylor. The two ladies have a mani/pedi spa day together which was awkward and seemed to be set up by Bravo’s producers as it seems really unlikely that they would have planned this on their own. The perfect hands and feet couldn’t distract Taylor from the fact that Kim is just an odd woman.

The night of the costume party arrives and the ladies are all getting their hair and makeup done by their personal stylists, outfits are chosen and ready to go and Camille decides that she will attend even though Kyle will be there as well.

Lisa surprises everyone by showing up dressed as a man and her gay husband dressed as a woman. Here’s what they didn’t address, Lisa said that at the last minute they decided to switch outfits, are you telling me that Lisa’s dress fit Cedric? Was that really the dress that Lisa was going to wear and Cedric just slipped it on and it fit? That’s a bit strange but even Lisa’s real husband, Ken was shocked as the couple walked down the stairs wearing each other’s costumes.

Taylor arrives and her smooch with her husband was similar to the one we saw Camille share with Kelsey backstage on Broadway, it was strange and extremely awkward. It wasn’t the usual married couple kiss or even the cheek kiss, their faces literally didn’t touch each other, the ultimate air kiss. A party guest even noted that he got more of a kiss from Taylor than her husband was able to get out of her. I am seeing more and more that this is a marriage of convenience, possibly a couple who are staying together for their child?

The party is in full swing and the other housewives arrive with the exception of Kim, but who would notice either way? Kyle brings her hunky husband but strangely enough also brings her assistant, dubbed a “Lady Sitter”, this guy is in costume and enjoying the party but I have to wonder, why would you bring your assistant to a party? Camille travels with her friends/employees but that’s because she doesn’t have any unpaid friends and her husband put an entire country between them, but why does Cedric go everywhere with Lisa and why is Kyle’s assistant at this party? Is that a Beverly Hills thing? If you invite someone to a party you have to include their employees as well? That could serious affect some of these guest lists and the amount of party favors you have to purchase.

Camille arrives and getting out of the car, seems to be alone but as she walks into the party there is a hanger-on following her into the bash. Dressed in all pink fringe, Camille looked like a spy without the trench coat as she wandered around she kept one eye on Kyle at all times.

Kyle looked like she was born in the 20’s with her hair and bright red lipstick making her appear much older but I was impressed that she made an effort to talk with Camille and make amends. I think that part of the problem between these two ladies is that Kyle talks, a lot, and when she does the words that come out are all jumbled in Camille’s head and are interpreted as an insult. Kyle actually said that when they meet Camille seems like a really great person and she just doesn’t know what happens to make it all go horribly wrong. Really? I know what happens, Camille is a bit insane and with every word Kyle says, Camille is plotting her strategy against Kyle. The first part of Kyle’s assumption is wrong, the part where she thinks Camille is generally a nice person.
The two ladies seem to make peace but Lisa is skeptical because being the smartest Beverly Hills Housewife can be a burden, she seems to know that Camille is unstable. I’m sure next episode we’ll see Camille noting that Kyle only tried to make peace to keep her husband’s business dealings intact.

It tickles me that Camille continues to keep going on about people being jealous of her, I can’t imagine what anyone would be jealous of. Other than the amount of money that she had access to as Mrs. Kelsey Grammer, she doesn’t have a loving husband by her side and she certainly isn’t fulfilled by being a mother, her friends are all paid to spend time with her and she is making a complete fool of herself on national television. Jealous anyone?

When word got out that Kelsey left her for another woman she had public sympathy but now that the world is getting to know her through this show, it becomes more clear with every episode that Kelsey Grammer was running for his life.

I would like to wish everyone reading this a very Merry Christmas, if you partake, I hope Santa brings you all everything you wish for. Health and Happiness to you all! xoxo Love, Lynn

Until Next Time…..

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294 Responses to IHJZ The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

  1. TheDesignDiva says:

    Merry Christmas to all…..
    Thanks for all the memories thur the year !!!
    Looking forward to many more !!!

    Hugs and Peace to All
    Diva

    • Zoey says:

      Same to you, and to all our fam here. Thanks to everyone for the support when I’ve been down, and reading the support of others throughout the year has boosted my mood.

      I’ve laughed, cried, almost peed myself, learned a lot, sympathized, empathized, been confused, guffawed, understood, been entertained, had food envy, admired, and am all around better for having frequently visited my Lynn fam. And I’m sure I’ve forgotten other benefits. Hugs to all!

    • twoile says:

      Thanks for being here, & Merry Christmas & Happy New Year…may the things you enjoy be wonderfull for you this season.<3 Jeanne

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Merry Christmas

  2. Melinda says:

    LOVE THE RECAP!! Did you see Camille’s face when Adrienne said they “both needed a time out”?! hahahah….priceless…..

    Taylor’s marriage does seem…..um, “not right”….and it is painful to watch. Kim is one strange bird indeed!

    Camille is so horrible it makes me cringe to watch her…..and I noticed when her and her “boy-friend” went riding….he helped her hair out of her jacket….a mere friend does NOT do that….not a male “friend”. She is a fool if she thinks we all don’t see it…..

    Oh did you notice that Camille’s blog from last week went “poof”…..it is gone….WHY?!?!?!!? 😉

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS!!

    • Zoey says:

      Hearing Taylor say that you, too, could one day live in Beverly Hills, etc, was just so sad. If her idea of a successful recovery from domestic violence is living in a seemingly loveless but wealthy marriage, I don’t think she’s come that far. She seems subservient to his every wish, and hollow inside. She’s not a bad person but I think she should seek help so her daughter isn’t raised with the same frame of mind.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I don’t think Nick, Camille’s pretend husband, is really having an affair. I think that he is there to help himself and Camille get air time with Bravo. He is Maxx from Kelly and Sonja from NYC RH. He’s an actor who knows how to follow Camille’s direction. If I am wrong, Nick’s wife needs to sue Camille as soon as she gets her settlement.

      • LynnnSoCal says:

        Thanks Quincy, I don’t feel so alone with my take on the Nick/Camille sitch. He’s not much of an actor(IMO) but he’s getting quite a bit of exposure. Maybe I’m wrong, a lot of people believe thyre having an affair. Camille is suffering delusions that she’s an Oscar worthy talent. It’s actually scary to me that someone as a parent could be capable of such self absorption. She’s desperatley empty. I don’t think anyone needs to worry about Mauricio’s livelyhood being effected by CamelToe. She doesn’t carry much clout in Kelsey’s business decisions. PS: Glad you’re home safely, Lynn!

        • American Idiot says:

          I too, never thought Nick and Camille were having an affair, but last night when they were getting ready for the motorcycle ride, Camille put on her jacket, then lifted her hair up and out. Nick helped her with the hair, but then his hand lingered on her back, for longer than I thought was approporiate. It was such a small gesture, but now I am not so sure about those two.

          • quincyillinois says:

            Absolutely, the hair touch was odd. Hollywood people are so good at deception. I just don’t know. Why would a young and handsome guy go for a 47 year old Camille? It doesn’t make sense.

    • klmh says:

      Camille’s blog can be found along with some comments on RCH blog.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I don’t think Camille and Nick are having an affair. I TRULY believe Camille has had inklings of her marriage not going in the right direction and all of this with Nick is a way to make Kelsey jealous. Problem being that Kelsey already moved on.

  3. Rabble Rouser says:

    I posted this in the other thread but I think it got missed….

    Santa is not happy with Camille….he sent her a message

    http://www.portablenorthpole.tv/watch/-8gtOEv-09lM1jhmp4z-UA

  4. quincyillinois says:

    I think Kyle’s pony tail down the back was odd and it pulled out partially half way through the party. The jacket of Kyle’s 20’s attire may have been vintage, but I didn’t like it. The silver dress Taylor said was 100 years old was fantastic.

    Camille had pink shoes on for the 20’s event. I wonder if they are the same pink shows for the Broadway opening. I think not. The Broadway shoes seemed a tad darker. I need to hold the two pairs of pink, extrememly expensive shoes close together to judge if the pinks are just a tad different.

    • Zoey says:

      I absolutely looooved Taylor’s dress. I liked the first one she tried on also, but the one she wore was just gorgeous. I agree, Kyle could have looked much better. The hair, the way too much make up, the outfit- terrible!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I loved Taylor’s dress and headpiece.

      My DH and my fav new show is boardwalk empire and I am so fascinated by the fashion of that era.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      And you say you aren’t into fashion 🙂

    • sophie says:

      The dress Taylor had was nearly 100 years old, more like 80. One hundred years ago women were wearing Edwardian clothing. The ‘modern’ Roaring 20’s hadn’t stopped by yet. The dress appeared to be late 20’s/early 30’s.

  5. housewifeaddict says:

    Kyle hasn’t quite yet figured out that Camille is bat sh*t crazy – so she’s still putting effort in to trying out fix this situation. Bethenny knew BSC Kelly before filming – and had her pegged. She just had to wait for Kelly to show it to the others – and then all was good.

    I’ve got a bat sh*t crazy in my life right now at work. Absolutely unpredictable. You can never anticipate what they’ll do – but when they self-destruct they seem to take as many people down with them as they can. I’ve come to the conclusion that some people are literally non-functioning – and Camille is one of those. Add to that her clear need to be the star of this show – and growing desperation as she realizes how she’ll come off – and poof – self destruction.

    But I do with Kyle didn’t take her frustrations and direct them at her sister. Kim may be a nut – but Kyle blaming her when Kyle is way further out of line is very mean – and Kim was right to stay far away from the drama.

  6. lurker315 says:

    Here is the link about a “fan’s” attack on Lisa and her companions. Nice start to Christmas festivities.

    http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/24/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-attack-polo-lounge-beverly-hills-hotel-lisa-vanderpump-robert-kovacik-reporter-police-assault/

  7. TrueLifeDiva says:

    Happy Holidays! 😀

    • Blue Sky says:

      Same to you, TLD have a very Merry Christmas/Holiday & Happy New Year to you too!

      Keep talking about zumba classes, exercise etc. I need to get back on track with the exercising!!

  8. klmh says:

    I don’t blame Kim for being a no show at the 20’s party. I wouldn’t want to go without a spouse or friend and the way Kyle has treated her when others are around is just sad, and unsisterly.
    Im surprised that there hasn’t been a mention of Kyle’s husband’s remark to her about protecting his clients. He also questioned why she can’t control herself around Camille when no one else affects her in this manner. Im sure this was all rehearsed in their home before filming to smooth over the loss of Grammar’s business, and try to regain it, but I found it to be demeaning to her. His loyalty should be to her first and foremost, not someone whom he does business with on occasion.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I think his loyalty to his family is also dependent on his ability to provide for them. Real Estate is VERY competitive right now and he can’t afford to loose client’s, especially those with a lot of inventory that will be probably be liquidated.

      I think they might be having money issues as their house has already had about 50k shaved off the listing price in less than a month of being on the market.

      • Kansas Girl says:

        I’m surprised Mauricio didn’t just phone Kelsey directly to keep communication open between them. I suspect it’s Kelsey who deals mostly with the real estate. Of course if Mauricio did phone him, Kelsey would likely have clued him in that it’s not a big deal and to not mind what Camille says — and that would ruin the story line.

        • quincyillinois says:

          Mauricio doesn’t know how Kelsey feels about Camille yet. It’s bottom dollar for Mauricio. He probably made millions while selling for Kelsey. I’m sure that is important to Mauricio.

      • klmh says:

        Im sure they are important clients, and throwing her under the bus was the way they chose to handle the situation on TV, but that doesn’t make it right.
        There was a site mentioned a few weeks ago on a post that showed his sales and he is the biggest seller in the firm. Has been for a few years, but I can’t address his current money issues.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I think he is loyal to her – and is helping her try to understand why she behaves the way she does around Camille. There were a lot of people a that table – but she did jump in a few time with Allison before it all let loose. Even Kim saw it coming.

      It really won’t be doing Kyle any favors to validate what she did or egg her on to do more. It reminds me of Jill with the Countess and Mario – she could have diffused the situation – but instead kept it going. Mauricio was both supportive, and helpful. He clearly loves Kyle a great deal.

      • klmh says:

        Maybe so, but if you were put in a similar situation, how would you behave? I would probably react as Kyle did when my relationship with my family was questioned and ridiculed. She saw it for what it was, a setup, and if my husband asked me why I related to Camille like that after he knew the circumstances, the expression “to the moon” comes to mind.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          I’m not sure how I would have behaved, but if I behaved like Kyle I would be mad at myself the next morning (like she was) and would be trying to make peace again (like she did). I think Mauricio has her back totally and completely, but always telling someone they are right is not having their back.

          • klmh says:

            No, but understanding what Kyle has been through with Camille has to be the issue here. If you get slapped over and over again, do you go back for more? I wouldn’t and my husband, no matter the job he has, would ask me to do so. He would support me.

            • klmh says:

              Sorry, would not ask me

              • MaryannB. says:

                I’ve read that recently Kelsey does still indeed have a listing with Mauricio, well after Camille’s text to Kyle. In addition, Mauricio is also listed as the agent for Lisa’s home and that he was the agent for the sale of the 60K square foot 55m that was featured during Kim’s “blind date” . Has anyone else read this or was in mentioned already?

      • Blue Sky says:

        It’s important for Mauricio to have a wife who can keep a calm head when under fire, especially because he deals with so many people that are important clients. I believe Mauricio deeply loves his wife, and he is nurturing her to be more mature in conflict situations. Notice that Adrienne & Lisa (both very experienced, successful business women) do not lose their temper even when the situation gets heated. Experienced business people, and future clients, that see Kyle’s behavior will not be impressed, and may even decide not to use Mauricio for future business. Please understand, no matter how much you may think Camille deserved the heated retorts she got from Kyle, it made Kyle look bad. Camille has already made herself look like a fool, no need for Kyle to show her lack of restraint by losing her temper.

        • nathania says:

          I agree with klmh about wanting loyalty from Mauricio. I thought, though, that this whole interaction shows just how mature these two people are. It was refreshing, that both of them appear to be able to take it on the chin and move on.

          And even though Kyle was right to be offended by Camille and Allison’s below the belt comments, ultimately Mauricio is right. Because Camille is a loon, and not worth that level of emotion. I liked Faye’s attitude at the table…she seemed to have fun with the whole situation, without ever showing much strong emotion. If Kyle can’t handle it that way, she’d be better off not reacting.

          I am strongly starting to suspect the reasons why Kelsey Grammer encouraged Camille to do this show. I am guessing it might have been his copy of “The Art of War” that she was reading at the table. She walked right into what may have been a Machavellian plot to show the world why 30 million dollars, 3000 miles and a stewardess later, it was all worth it to get away from her.

          • Blue Sky says:

            Love the way you think, Nathania. If Kelsey did a 12 step program, for his drug addiction etc. then it’s part of the program to improve yourself. And get away from toxic people, which Camille certainly is!

    • quincyillinois says:

      I think she was hurt when he said it and when he went over to Camille, but she also tried again so I think he did influence her before the 20s event.

      Taylor is really into themed events. Allice in Wonderland and the 20s… What is next, Anne Oakley?

      • klmh says:

        That would be a blast! Would enjoy seeing some of those folks on horses, wouldn’t you? Not really with loaded guns though…

    • Kansas Girl says:

      As I watched the reruns last night (working on Christmas knitting — reruns are ideal knitting time), I came to the conclusion that Kim and Kyle are quite similar in the way they respond to what they perceive as criticism or attack. Like Kyle with Camille, Kim jumped in to defend herself from what she thought was Taylor criticizing or correcting her. I don’t think Taylor had the chance to finish what she was saying before Kim was on her, and I’m not sure Taylor was actually going where Kim thought she was. It just struck me that it was the same quick jump to defend herself that Kyle has done.

    • NMhousewife says:

      I agree. I thought that it was not very loyal to his wife, that would have hurt me very much if my husband put others (be it business or anything) before my feelings. Of course, this is way before all of Camille’s awfulness has been exposed to its fullness. After seeing and hearing the terrible things Camille has said about Kyle and Mauricio’s marriage knowing she was being filmed, I hope Mauricio apologized for not being more sympathetic to Kyle.

  9. Rabble Rouser says:

    That idiot self professed anti-bullying ‘advocate’ aka Jill Zarin lackey is at it again with messaging Mary to say she was so disappointed her husband interviewed by a ‘hate blogger’.

    It’s just so SICK those two bozo’s hold up victimized children as their human shields.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I think the reality stars have to be careful not to rock the boat, but if they read this site, they will see that it’s common sense that guides the discussion here. I’m sure that every reality star takes the link to this place at one time or another just to see if Jill is telling the truth.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Of I think they know, this ‘advocate’ was so mad that Sonja was not apologetic for it, she subtly suggested that her followers ‘do something’. Of course, she had so little followers it made no impact but still…the intent was there.

        This same wack-a-doodle accused Simon of sending people to ‘harass’ her.

        Really, I know these women are just spinning their wheels but it’s just the whole pretense of it all that deeply offends me. There are kids out there that are really suffering and being ridiculed, and they want to put criticism of Jill Zarin in the same vein as that. SHAME on them.

  10. Wall St Lady says:

    TL Diva
    U r not off the hook for saying my humor is corny. (I am laughing so hard I am about to drop my BB)
    You r still in my will for my hat collection. (I have 60. 1/2 in NYC & the other in PB)

  11. Agatha Cranky says:

    Tried posting this a couple times last night. I will try again. Great blog Lynn, Happy Holidays to all posters too! You make me laugh and cry!

    Camille is gunning for Kyle’s husband she’s practically salivating. She is once again pulling her Dangerous Liaisons routine.
    The dinner last week, planned and executed!
    The Text insensitive and selfish so Camille can be center stage at an event that she’s a no show and hit her in the wallet. Now Kyle will have to face her husband. Just another instance of making her bow down. Shred her of everything!
    The book to Kyle with the circled passages, planned to weaken Kyle, make HER insecure and whinny to her husband thus making her unattractive to him. And above all to create tension and strife in their marriage. ( ‘Who lil ol’ me?)’
    The tennis match next week, knowing Mauricio’s is such a good player. invites the whole family. (What could be kinder and safer than that? So wholesome and outdoorsy. Ha!)
    This is after both Kyle and her husband out classed her at the Tyler’s party tonight. This was an opening for her, not to make up with Kyle, but to put on her sex show at the tennis courts for Mauricio to enrage and humiliate Kyle. Inviting only Adrienne and not the other gals, because Adrienne is classy, not catty, she will observe, not gossip, and let Camille flirt with everyone’s husbands, including hers.
    Camille has an endless dusty Lifetime movie reel playing in her head. You know the script of giving your alcoholic best friend drinks, driving her insane to turn her husband and family against her? So she can come in and steal your husband, your home, your kids and your life, They show one of these movies at least once a day. I believe this is how she thinks, because this is how she acts. You could substitute any actress in those movies with Camille.
    She’s a sick puppy Camille. Don’t kid yourself, she plans it all!! I have no doubt that these Dangerous Liaisons kind of parlor games were common place in the Grammar household. I think they liked to set up situations to mind fuck and humiliate their guests. You can bet, if any event is at Camille’s house, she has calculated her every move and her opponents as well… oops I mean her guests.
    She analyzes methodically everyone’s weakness, to her advantage to set the saboteur’s stage. In some ways, how she landed Kelsey; although he educated her to the finer things in life, including literature. I imagine he taught her the psychology of chess as well. I agree with someone who said the Eliza Doolittle scenario.
    Then after an evening of fun and games she regales a rapt audience of stylists and pay pals, hanging on their mistresses every syllable, stories about everyone, tearing them down. “How could they do this to me in my OWN HOME”… kind of crap.
    She is safe and in control on her terra firma, which leads me to believe these kinds of games, among other games, is what got her and Kelsey’s rocks off. As she’s descending the stairs to greet her tennis guests, you can see this is what she does. It’s written all over her face and body. In control- game- set- match.
    She is one nasty woman. Empty so empty.
    In one of Kelsey’s interviews, he said something like you can only hope to marry someone decent. Maybe he got so tired/bored of these games that had once bound them together. Maybe between acting gigs these games kept him interested, his skills sharpened. All her “Art of War”, “Dangerous Liaisons”, “Little Prince”, Machiavellian (Machiavlliac) bullshit, she got from him, along with all the other big words (big houses) she sprinkles about at all the wrong times.
    I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind fucked her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!
    I imagine an evening with them would be like Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in “Who’s afraid of Virginia Wolf.”
    Poor Camille really had no self awareness for many years, didn’t need to. She’s lived a sheltered, wealthy, over indulgent, entitled, fantasy life, now she meets the real public and what the small people out there in the dark really see her as and perhaps give her the opportunity to reflect and grow. Very sad.

    • Blue Sky says:

      If indeed Mauricio falls for such an “act” that Camille is playing out, I will be very surprised. Mauricio IMO is a far better man than that. Let’s see what happens. You are probably very correct about the evil manipulative Camille. She was a very shall we say experienced stripper when she met Kelsey, & most likely met him at the strip joint. She has a shady past – stripper, porno flicks, prostitute to rich Arab men…

      http://absurdtosublime.net/2010/11/20/camille-grammers-past-leaking-out/

      There is a good reason Camille has very very few friends, especially female.

  12. Agatha Cranky says:

    Hey guys : HAPPY HOLIDAYS to Lynn and all you wonderful posters. I’ve tried posting 3 times and it doesn’t show up here. I have no links included, is it because it’s a long post?

    • Blue Sky says:

      Sometimes key words cause a post to go to mediation, could be words like wh*ore, swear words, etc. I’ve had many posts go to mediation but Lynn posts our thoughts, as long as there isn’t any outrageous troll type attacking going on.

      Keep posting, & Happy Holidays to you too!

  13. tweatcyn says:

    Camille’s bravo blog was captured by a few peeps before it was removed. You can still read it on RealCityHousewives’ blog. I think Kyle only gave it another attempt for her husband’s sake, as any loving wife would do. She doesn’t want to be the “cause” of him losing a client or negative gossip that will affect his business. Camille has no problem slandering her in public as we’ve seen.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Thanks, someone posted the link.

      I bet Camille’s head imploded with all the ‘verbal assaults’ she had to endure from ‘jealous’ and ‘pernicious’ women.

    • Blue Sky says:

      I think Camille’s blog was taken down because her “public relations person” saw that it was pure bullsh#t, and it was attracting over 90 % bad comments. Lol, so glad RCH (real city housewife) got to do her blog on it, it’s hilarious!

      http://realcityhousewife.wordpress.com/2010/12/22/bs-bravo-blogs-camille-grammers-deleted-blog-about-the-dinner-from-hell/

      Your biggest number one enemy is yourself. No one can do more harm to you than yourself. Have the strength & wisdom to stay away from people that can or are hurting you. That includes “family.” Then work on solving the problems you are causing yourself, it’s all in your own power to help yourself. Self help books can do you a lot of good. So can a good mentor/coach. A foundation in good morals, from religion doesn’t hurt. Camille doesn’t get it yet. Dale Carnegie’s book would have helped her more than “The Art of War.”

      http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/product-reviews/0671723650/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

      • nathania says:

        I have two sister in laws like this. They both grew up with incredibly destructive, unstable mothers who married multiples times, and since there were so many different men in and out of the house I am certain both suffered some degree of sexual abuse. They both seem to have absolutely no concept of the feeling of genuine goodwill and ‘joy’ that the human heart is capable of, and seem to look at all of life as a game of ‘destroy or be destroyed’. Neither seems to gain any pleasure whatsoever from anything except sexual attention from males. I mean, even their own children do not seem to bring them any authentic happiness. It seems such a tragic way to live, and both are truly dangerous people because the seem to want to bring everyone around them down to the level of misery they live in on a day to day basis.

        • Blue Sky says:

          Exactly the type of people to run run run away from, but sadly these are your SIL’s. Ughh! It would be very hard to improve their minds at this point, right?

  14. TLM says:

    Maybe no cares by now, but this is an interesting piece on Johnny Weir. And the comments he made as a competitor are oddly similar to the way Bethenny was. I actually see them as having a similar personality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqtVeoEyRUM

  15. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille is gunning for Kyle’s husband she’s practically salivating. She is once again pulling her Dangerous Liaisons routine.
    The dinner last week, planned and executed!
    The Text insensitive and selfish so Camille can be center stage at an event that she’s a no show and hit her in the wallet. Now Kyle will have to face her husband. Just another instance of making her bow down. Shred her of everything!
    The book to Kyle with the circled passages, planned to weaken Kyle, make HER insecure and whinny to her husband thus making her unattractive to him. And above all to create tension and strife in their marriage. ( ‘Who lil ol’ me?)’
    The tennis match next week, knowing Mauricio’s is such a good player. invites the whole family. (What could be kinder and safer than that? So wholesome and outdoorsy. Ha!)
    This is after both Kyle and her husband out classed her at the Tyler’s party tonight. This was an opening for her, not to make up with Kyle, but to put on her sex show at the tennis courts for Mauricio to enrage and humiliate Kyle. Inviting only Adrienne and not the other gals, because Adrienne is classy, not catty, she will observe, not gossip, and let Camille flirt with everyone’s husbands, including hers.
    Camille has an endless dusty Lifetime movie reel playing in her head. You know the script of giving your alcoholic best friend drinks, driving her insane to turn her husband and family against her? So she can come in and steal your husband, your home, your kids and your life, They show one of these movies at least once a day. I believe this is how she thinks, because this is how she acts. You could substitute any actress in those movies with Camille.
    She’s a sick puppy Camille. Don’t kid yourself, she plans it all!! I have no doubt that these Dangerous Liaisons kind of parlor games were common place in the Grammar household. I think they liked to set up situations to mind fuck and humiliate their guests. You can bet, if any event is at Camille’s house, she has calculated her every move and her opponents as well… oops I mean her guests.
    She analyzes methodically everyone’s weakness, to her advantage to set the saboteur’s stage. In some ways, how she landed Kelsey; although he educated her to the finer things in life, including literature. I imagine he taught her the psychology of chess as well. I agree with someone who said the Eliza Doolittle scenario.
    Then after an evening of fun and games she regales a rapt audience of stylists and pay pals, hanging on their mistresses every syllable, stories about everyone, tearing them down. “How could they do this to me in my OWN HOME”… kind of crap.
    She is safe and in control on her terra firma, which leads me to believe these kinds of games, among other games, is what got her and Kelsey’s rocks off. As she’s descending the stairs to greet her tennis guests, you can see this is what she does. It’s written all over her face and body. In control- game- set- match.
    She is one nasty woman. Empty so empty.
    In one of Kelsey’s interviews, he said something like you can only hope to marry someone decent. Maybe he got so tired/bored of these games that had once bound them together. Maybe between acting gigs these games kept him interested, his skills sharpened. All her “Art of War”, “Dangerous Liaisons”, “Little Prince”, Machiavellian (Machiavlliac) bullshit, she got from him, along with all the other big words (big houses) she sprinkles about at all the wrong times.
    I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind fucked her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!
    I imagine an evening with them would be like Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in “Who’s afraid of Virginia Wolf.”
    Poor Camille really had no self awareness for many years, didn’t need to. She’s lived a sheltered, wealthy, over indulgent, entitled, fantasy life, now she meets the real public and what the small people out there in the dark really see her as. Very sad.

    • vilzvet says:

      The blog wasn’t the problem IMO, it was all the fantastic comments that probably got Camille’s knickers in a twist. Yes the blog was delusional and offered no apologies to anyone, but again it had to be on-target comments against Allison that got Camille’s PR people, sad little peeps they may be, to get it removed.

      • Blue Sky says:

        We think alike, just posted the same above! Camille needs better pr people, but even then they can’t save her from herself (a la Jillzilla).

      • BessiB says:

        It seems to me, that Bravo would can the comments, not the whole blog.

      • BessiB says:

        It seems that the comments would be removed, not the blog.

      • nathania says:

        I’m wondering if Camille’s comments might have been actionable, honestly. I think the blog might have been deleted because she states at the very end that she didn’t “believe” the charge about Mauricio ‘loving women’ when she said it which to me is basically a confirmation of malicious intent, and if it were to harm Mauricio’s reputation to the point of causing him financial harm he could sue. And who better to sue, really…than someone coming into about 30 million bucks.

        • Blue Sky says:

          Yes, suddenly she went from slander (malicious lies spoken about someone, as at the dinner party) to libel (malicious lies written about someone). Camille’s lawyers saved her from herself, darn it! Try being a realtor & slamming your competition. If they hear about it, even through a third party….they will threaten you with a lawsuit. Seen it happen…no lawsuit but the threat was there. This is why doctors do not want to say anything bad about other doctors, as they really don’t want a lawsuit. So we have lots of doctors, realtors, (fill in the profession) who are negligent, but the public will never know…

        • Anna says:

          Camille is getting a hell of a lot more than $30M. She is getting 50% of all future earnings of Fraser from the time after they married. That would put it more in line with $70M. The $30M will sum during the summer.

          Additionally, this does not include child support.

          As for a defamation case sticking that would be hard because Mauricio would need to prove harm, actual monetary loss and not just the Grammer business. It must be tangible lose and not speculative loss. Mauricio is not a public figure and good luck with any defamation case sticking. Bravo has them sign waiver agreements not to sue each other for things said on the show for all characters and supporting characters. It places them on notice of possible issues that may arise.

  16. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @WSL, do not quit your day job and take your act on the road ;-).
    As for those hats, I have lovely large hat boxes to store them in. If you ever run out of room I will give you my P.O. Box so you can ship them to me anytime 😀

  17. Adgirl says:

    It’s Christmas Eve!!!!!

    Don’t forget to leave the giant shot glass of whiskey out by the hearth for the big guy!
    We always leave bourbon. He must love it because it’s always gone in the morning.

  18. WindyCityWondering says:

    Dearest Lynn – you gave us the best present of all – your wit and wisdom and a place where all feel comfortable enough to share! Thank you! And happy holidays to all – may everyone have their wishes come true and find a way to share with others who need your help this time of year.

  19. Wall St Lady says:

    http://www.opednews.com/Diary/A-Plea-Save-Your-Life–S-by-June-Werdlow-Roger-101224-591.html
    I don’t want to b a downer but this post has some resource tel#
    for folks so depressed u fear they have suicide thoughts. More suicide happens during holidays.
    Love, peace and that EXTRA kind word b4 anyone leaves your company.Compliment someone less
    fortunate than you.Say hi in an elevator & be sure to look the checkout girl in the face and find something to compliment.
    I know sometimes it is uncomfortable to speak to, sometimes grumpy strangers I do these in NYC,where people r afraid of nuts,I know it startles folks but is appreciated. I 30 years I have never had some on say : shut up. And one of the greatest gifts I possess r the returned smiles that I keep in my heart.
    I never forget that the last words my brother said to me b4 he took his life was :baby sister,I love you. I can’t say I was as kind to him.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Oh, WSL, you are a treasure! I know you ache for your brother from what you’ve written, but he did say he loved you and that despite how you were treating him — so he really did. I hope you can find some peace eventually.

      You are very right about kind words to all. I went to the grocery store this morning expecting to find craziness. It was crowded but people were in amazingly good moods and smiling at each other. Two young guys in the produce section were in suits, ties and vest in honor of another employee who had done that for years and was not working today. They got a lot of attention and were so pleased with themselves. One said he’s a trumpeter and planned to go out front and serenade later. One lady had a recipe in hand, looking for Kitchen Bouquet, and had no idea what that was. This turned into a group discussion with several shoppers on the aisle after I tried to help and asked another lady standing there. The checkout people were chatty too. It was the most fun I’ve had at the grocery store in a long time! I think it finally got me in the holiday spirit!

    • Adgirl says:

      Thank you WSL. My exhusband OD nearly 2 years ago and we are still trying to come to terms with it. No one saw it coming (except his wife probably, but she is truly BSC and evil but that’s another story). Even though we were long divorced I never expected the boy I married to wind up that way.
      I always wish that I had known how much trouble Kevin was in because I know I could have fixed it for him. He needed someone to care and show him the way. It makes me so mad that my children suffer today because of mind games played by seductive lunatic.

      We miss him this Christmas.
      I know we could have prevented this!!

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        AdGirl- I never really talk about this here, but my fiance took his life 9/25/2009.

        Like you, I thought I could fix his problems, and love him enough to show him the way.

        It didn’t happen like that, and he almost killed me in the process.

        Everything, even the really shitty things, happens for your higher good.

        You are here today for your children. If you had reached out a hand to him when he was suicidal- you may not have made it.

        The only person who could’ve prevented this was Kevin. Please don’t beat yourself up or imagine different endings. The suicide was part of his journey. And IMHO the journey doesn’t end with this lifetime.

        I’m sending you love today.

        • Adgirl says:

          Thank you OMiB.
          I am so sorry about what happened to you, no one should have to endure that.
          Let me tell you that I am so grateful to have you and all of the other board members “in my life” (virtually). This is such a nice environment that sometimes I forget that I don’t actually know you ladies!
          Happy holidays!

        • JazzNightOut says:

          ((((((( OMiB )))))))) knew you were wise but now I know why. Sending you love and graitude for sharing here (and for your wonderful sense of humor!).

        • twoile says:

          @OMIB(((((((((((()))))))))))) So sorry for your loss…& very glad to read of your realization that you could not have done anything 2 prevent it’s happening. Best 2 you this season & Take care<3 Jeanne

        • Had Enough! says:

          (((((((((((((((((((((OMiB)))))))))))))))))))

      • twoile says:

        @Adgirl, It sounds like Kevin’s OD was more likely a mistake……sadly so may addicts go past the point of no return inadvertently…..& some on purpose. In both cases it is the disease that takes the final dose & the only one one who can fight the disease is the Addict not the ones who care 4 him/her, though it truly is those left behind who shoulder the burden. Tragically if the act was on purpose then often times if the initial effort failed it would have been repeated until successful. Love has no effect 4 the person who believes it is hopeless, we can only surround them in the white light 2 expidite their peacefulness. May the season bring you comfort & peace. Take care<3 Jeanne

      • sam in the city says:

        i can empathize with you adgirl – my fiance ODed 3 years ago in november and the seasons have been very difficult since. i found that i got a lot of pleasure working with kids – they bring so much joy to a persons life and truly enjoyed my time as a substitute teacher. an OD is always hard bc you think ‘what could i have done?’ i know my fiance and i were not in a good place. sending love to everyone this holiday season

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      WSL- this is a beautiful sentiment- thank you for thinking of others during this holiday- the true definition, in my mind at least, of a Christian.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      You are faithful to him now, and his spirit knows that. Now is where he lives so now is what he knows of you (((((((( WSL ))))))))). Your past, present and future with him is love, always love.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I am sure he knows of and can feel your love.

      I am also sure he is proud of the woman you have become and how much tribute you give to him in your daily life and decision making.

    • Blue Sky says:

      WSL, you have a big heart…love & peace to you, keep spreading the message of Christmas like you do. This is a very hard season to be happy like a Norman Rockwell painting. So many people have so little, yet they can be happier with the spiritual gifts our Lord Jesus gives us than all the riches here on earth.

      Heaven is a just reward for a life lived well, generously and faithfully. Your brother must have suffered greatly (no fault of yours or anyone, he probably had undiagnosed & untreated depression) and I truly believe you will meet him again in the hereafter.

      Maybe because of Hindu/Bhuddism beliefs of those close to me, I think I do believe in reincarnation. If your soul is on the right path, but there are still things to be learned or perhaps done here on earth, reincarnation offers your soul that opportunity. It could be “the road to the life everlasting.” Have you ever heard of Edgar Cayce? I’ve read a little about him. At one point, he reportedly said that the prayers of just a few can save many, even a city.

      http://www.edgarcayce.org/edgar-cayce1.html

  20. Adgirl says:

    TMZ story about the assault on Lisa and Ken at the Polo Lounge. A reporter was punched by a drunk. Paul sewed up the reporter.
    ….
    Lisa Vanderpump, one of the stars of “Real Housewives of Beverly Hills,” was involved in a real brutal confrontation at the famous Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills Hotel early this AM. … TMZ has learned.
    Lisa tells TMZ … she was sitting in a booth with her husband Ken and L.A. news reporter Robert Kovacik … along with two elderly people, when a man at a nearby table began harassing them with verbal taunts.

    Lisa says the man was “extremely drunk” and was shouting, “I’ve seen the show. You’re wearing a lot more make-up now, and your eyes are darker and smokier.” Lisa says then it got personal, as he hollered, “What are you doing sitting with old people?”

    Lisa says the man then walked over to her booth and continued his rant. That’s when Robert, a long-time reporter with the L.A. NBC affiliate, stood up and said, “Please stop.” Lisa says the man then cold-cocked Robert, punching him squarely in the mouth … and shoved Lisa’s husband to the ground.

    Lisa says Robert was hurt, bleeding badly, but they had to wait because the hotel called the cops. When Beverly Hills police arrived, Robert said he did not want to press charges. Lisa took Robert to a family friend’s home — a doctor — who cleaned him up. We’re told the doc was none other than Beverly Hills surgeon Paul Nassif … married to Lisa’s “Real Housewives” co-star Adrienne Maloof.

    We’re told Robert is going back to Dr. Paul later today to get his lip stitched up.

    The attacker was not arrested. It’s unclear if Robert will press charges.

    Lisa tells us, “I hope Robert presses charges. The man was outrageous.”

    Beverly Hills — it’s dangerous out there!

  21. TLM says:

    I just took my ice skates that I haven’t been on in 25 years out of the closet. Who else thinks I’m crazy for thinking about taking lessons??

  22. Agatha Cranky says:

    Lynn, I don’t mean to be a pain, but when I’ve tried posting a few times, it came up that I already posted, it does not show up here. These short notes post, but not my take on last nights episode. Help!

  23. Kansas Girl says:

    She’s back! Welcome back Lynn! We missed you, but thanks to Quincy we carried on.

    Christmas/season’s greetings to all of you. I agree with those above who said that this blog and these friends are the best gift this year! Peace to you all!

  24. m293131@yahoo.com says:

    I think that Camille likes Mauricio and is jealous of Kyle and Mauricio’s marriage

    • boston02127 says:

      @m293131@yahoo.com—So do I.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Probably – but she’s also totally crazy IMO. I also think she is desperate to come off looking kind, giving, generous – blah blah blah – and can’t stand that Kyle might make her look bad on TV

    • twoile says:

      ditto!

    • nathania says:

      it would be just up her alley to try to seduce the husband of an ‘enemy’. That was probably her plan since she fabricated the comment about ‘who would be interested in you without Kelsey’ (assuming that wasn’t just a hallucination due to too many prescription drugs or something). She’d be like ‘your husband, that’s who’. It isn’t going to fly on a show full of women with husbands who seem to genuninely love them. Someone up thread said that these parlor games might have been common throughout the Grammer marriage. That is scary to think about, but being that Camille seems to be at root, a ‘ho, and Kelsey a cad to put it most lightly, maybe this is just their ‘way’. Boy is she in for a rude awakening.

  25. boston02127 says:

    Welcome back Lynn. ♥

  26. boston02127 says:

    I know many of you will be busy the next couple of days. I just want to wish everyone a Happy & Healthy Merry Christmas and Love & Hope. Luv, Shanna ♥

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The very same to you Shanna- may the coming year be filled with wonderful new things! Will send a wish your way at midnight mass. Peace and love.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Dear (((((( Boston )))))))): Happy Holidays to you and your family and to your Mom who is still here with you in your heart. Love you, dear Shanna.

    • AZ Girl says:

      “Hugs” Boston. Wishing you the best of the season.

  27. Agatha Cranky says:

    All men must adore and drool over Camille. It’s her bible. Should you not, beware!
    Camille is gunning for Kyle’s husband she’s practically salivating. She is once again pulling her Dangerous Liaisons routine.
    The dinner last week, planned and executed!
    The Text insensitive and selfish so Camille can be center stage at an event that she’s a no show and hit her in the wallet. Now Kyle will have to face her husband. Just another instance of making her bow down. Shred her of everything!
    The book to Kyle with the circled passages, planned to weaken Kyle, make HER insecure and whinny to her husband thus making her unattractive to him. And above all to create tension and strife in their marriage. ( ‘Who lil ol’ me?)’
    The tennis match next week, knowing Mauricio’s is such a good player. invites the whole family. (What could be kinder and safer than that? So wholesome and outdoorsy. Ha!)
    This is after both Kyle and her husband out classed her at the Tyler’s party tonight. This was an opening for her, not to make up with Kyle, but to put on her sex show at the tennis courts for Mauricio to enrage and humiliate Kyle. Inviting only Adrienne and not the other gals, because Adrienne is classy, not catty, she will observe, not gossip, and let Camille flirt with everyone’s husbands, including hers.

    • quincyillinois says:

      It’s weird, but I never liked men paying attention to me. I never expected it when it happened. I was once so miserable in a Greek restaurant that we left without eating.

      Camille and I are polar opposites in many ways.

      • JazzNightOut says:

        Quincy: Happy Holidays to you and yours; you are such a delight here.

        • quincyillinois says:

          Happy Holidays to you too.

          We are going to a Mexican Restaurant where Santa is going to speak Spanish to our Granddaughter. We aren’t Spanish, but we all learned Spanish in school.

  28. Wall St Lady says:

    Kansas girl I have found peace for that 17yr old boy who took his life 42 years ago. But it left me with a vow to never leave w/o a kind word & to apologize quickly.

    Ad girl I am so sorry for you
    & your children. Some close to me,very recently said my family was cursed. They were referring to suicide and substance abuse. When I responded every one is sober and productive. They inhered that taking was life meant hell. I reminded them that,that is a Catholic doctrine & a concept not found in Scripture. The Protestant belief based in Scripture is that the only unpardonable sin is to not believe in eternal life thru the gift of salvation given by our Savior born on Christmas !
    http://www.suite101.com/content/do-people-who-commit-suicide-go-to-hell-a65637

    • Adgirl says:

      What a terrible thing to say that your family is cursed. I don’t believe in that.

      I do however believe that some people are toxic, and to varying degrees, evil. They can twist people in their sphere into doing things that are destructive.

      One must learn to recognize that there is positive and negative behavior. We all have the choice to be good and find a way to be strong even in the face of negative influences.
      That is how God works in my life. He shines a beacon and I can choose to follow the light or I can choose to fall into the dark.

      In my family’s case, the death of my ex was an example of a weak man overcome by an unstable and manipulative woman. She loved the drama and kept pushing. He was too weak & needy to walk away, so he became unstable too. He used to know God but turned away to the dark, towards her.

      We all can get through anything if we walk towards the light and away from crazy people!!!

      WSL you walk towards the light every day of your life and it shows through on this board.

      • JazzNightOut says:

        It shows in both your lives on the board, Adgirl and WSL. Light is so much more attractive than dark at the end of the day and at the end of the blog. The dark brings suffering; the light brings hope and compassion and life.

    • twoile says:

      @WSL , I understand that the concept behind sef inflicted death = no heaven is actually the sin of hopelessness=lack of faith (renunciation). IMHO it is the fear of the loss of salvation (that is expected)that can stop the act, ergo salvationIn some cases it may work, in some cases it may have excerbated the issue profoundly & caused agony over & above what actually caused the original pain (of hopelessnss)while going forward with the act. If it is addiction related it is the disease that takes the act imho. In any case the pain is g8er than can be indured & I wish him/her white light of peace. May this season bring you joy & peace. Take care ❤ Jeanne

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        hmm, that’s a very well reasoned, well thought out post.

      • debbie says:

        Another point of view…
        Although Christianity and Judaism share historical roots, these two religions diverged in the first centuries. Judaism places emphasis on actions, focusing primary questions on how to respond to the eternal covenant God made with Israelites and Proselytes, as recorded in the Torah. Ever since the First Council of Nicaea, Christianity places emphasis on correct belief with some Christian denominations going so far as to claim that human actions are irrelevant, see also the discussions at Sola fide and Christian anarchism. Simply put, Christians achieve indivual salvation (Heaven/Kingdom of God) through accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. This is stated clearly as the path and way to heaven a number of times.
        ***”In Judaism, Heaven is sometimes described as a place where God debates Talmudic law with the angels, and where Jews spend eternity studying the Written and Oral Torah. Jews do not believe in “Hell” as a place of eternal tormenmt. Gehenna is a place or condition of purgatory where Jews spend up to twelve months purifying to get into heaven,[citation needed] depending on how sinful they have been, although some suggest that certain types of sinners can never be purified enough to go to heaven and rather than facing eternal torment, simply cease to exist. Therefore, some violations like suicide would be punished by separation from the community, such as not being buried in a Jewish cemetery (in practice, rabbis often rule suicides to be mentally incompetent and thus not responsible for their actions). Judaism also does not have a notion of hell as a place ruled by Satan since God’s dominion is total and Satan is only one of God’s angels.”

    • Blue Sky says:

      Anyone who would say that to you is either dumb or delusional. In so many ways, negativity can hurt us. So you know to stay away from such people, they are not worth being close to. WSL, please read what I wrote to you upthread. Find comfort in the belief that your brother’s soul is out there, and you will meet again.

  29. Agatha Cranky says:

    Part 2!
    Camille has an endless dusty Lifetime movie reel playing in her head. You know the script of giving your alcoholic best friend drinks, driving her insane to turn her husband and family against her? So she can come in and steal your husband, your home, your kids and your life, They show one of these movies at least once a day. I believe this is how she thinks, because this is how she acts. You could substitute any actress in those movies with Camille.
    She’s a sick puppy Camille. Don’t kid yourself, she plans it all!! I have no doubt that these Dangerous Liaisons kind of parlor games were common place in the Grammar household. I think they liked to set up situations to mind fuck and humiliate their guests. You can bet, if any event is at Camille’s house, she has calculated her every move and her opponents as well… oops I mean her guests.
    She analyzes methodically everyone’s weakness, to her advantage to set the saboteur’s stage. In some ways, how she landed Kelsey; although he educated her to the finer things in life, including literature. I imagine he taught her the psychology of chess as well. I agree with someone who said the Eliza Doolittle scenario.
    Then after an evening of fun and games she regales a rapt audience of stylists and pay pals, hanging on their mistresses every syllable, stories about everyone, tearing them down. “How could they do this to me in my OWN HOME”… kind of crap.

  30. Agatha Cranky says:

    Part 2 of Camille the cunning…………..Camille has an endless dusty Lifetime movie reel playing in her head. You know the script of giving your alcoholic best friend drinks, driving her insane to turn her husband and family against her? So she can come in and steal your husband, your home, your kids and your life, They show one of these movies at least once a day. I believe this is how she thinks, because this is how she acts. You could substitute any actress in those movies with Camille.
    She’s a sick puppy Camille. Don’t kid yourself, she plans it all!! I have no doubt that these Dangerous Liaisons kind of parlor games were common place in the Grammar household. I think they liked to set up situations to mind fuck and humiliate their guests. You can bet, if any event is at Camille’s house, she has calculated her every move and her opponents as well… oops I mean her guests.
    She analyzes methodically everyone’s weakness, to her advantage to set the saboteur’s stage. In some ways, how she landed Kelsey; although he educated her to the finer things in life, including literature. I imagine he taught her the psychology of chess as well. I agree with someone who said the Eliza Doolittle scenario

  31. Agatha Cranky says:

    Take 2; Camille the cunning Camille has an endless dusty Lifetime movie reel playing in her head. You know the script of giving your alcoholic best friend drinks, driving her insane to turn her husband and family against her? So she can come in and steal your husband, your home, your kids and your life, They show one of these movies at least once a day. I believe this is how she thinks, because this is how she acts. You could substitute any actress in those movies with Camille.
    She’s a sick puppy Camille. Don’t kid yourself, she plans it all!! I have no doubt that these Dangerous Liaisons kind of parlor games were common place in the Grammar household. I think they liked to set up situations to mind fuck and humiliate their guests. You can bet, if any event is at Camille’s house, she has calculated her every move and her opponents as well… oops I mean her guests.

  32. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille the cunning, Take 2:
    Camille has an endless dusty Lifetime movie reel playing in her head. You know the script of giving your alcoholic best friend drinks, driving her insane to turn her husband and family against her? So she can come in and steal your husband, your home, your kids and your life, They show one of these movies at least once a day. I believe this is how she thinks, because this is how she acts. You could substitute any actress in those movies with Camille.
    She’s a sick puppy Camille. Don’t kid yourself, she plans it all!! I have no doubt that these Dangerous Liaisons kind of parlor games were common place in the Grammar household. I think they liked to set up situations to mind f%# and humiliate their guests. You can bet, if any event is at Camille’s house, she has calculated her every move and her opponents as well… oops I mean her guests.
    She analyzes methodically everyone’s weakness, to her advantage to set the saboteur’s stage. In some ways, how she landed Kelsey; although he educated her to the finer things in life, including literature. I imagine he taught her the psychology of chess as well. I agree with someone who said the Eliza Doolittle scenario.
    Then after an evening of fun and games she regales a rapt audience of stylists and pay pals, hanging on their mistresses every syllable, stories about everyone, tearing them down. “How could they do this to me in my OWN HOME”… kind of crap.
    She is safe and in control on her terra firma, which leads me to believe these kinds of games, among other games, is what got her and Kelsey’s rocks off. As she’s descending the stairs to greet her tennis guests, you can see this is what she does. It’s written all over her face and body. In control- game- set- match.
    She is one nasty woman. Empty so empty.
    In one of Kelsey’s interviews, he said something like you can only hope to marry someone decent. Maybe he got so tired/bored of these games that had once bound them together. Maybe between acting gigs these games kept him interested, his skills sharpened. All her “Art of War”, “Dangerous Liaisons”, “Little Prince”, Machiavellian (Machiavlliac) bullshit, she got from him, along with all the other big words (big houses) she sprinkles about at all the wrong times.
    I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind fucked her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!
    I imagine an evening with them would be like Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in “Who’s afraid of Virginia Wolf.”
    Poor Camille really had no self awareness for many years, didn’t need to. She’s lived a sheltered, wealthy, over indulgent, entitled, fantasy life, now she meets the real public and what the small people out there in the dark really see her as. Perhaps some self reflection on her part would do her a world of good to at least pretend to be part of us simple humans. Very sad.

  33. Agatha Cranky says:

    I have a part 2 and conclusion to this, I’ll keep trying…..Stay tuned!

  34. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille take 2; Camille has an endless dusty Lifetime movie reel playing in her head. You know the script of giving your alcoholic best friend drinks, driving her insane to turn her husband and family against her? So she can come in and steal your husband, your home, your kids and your life, They show one of these movies at least once a day. I believe this is how she thinks, because this is how she acts. You could substitute any actress in those movies with Camille.
    She’s a sick puppy Camille. Don’t kid yourself, she plans it all!! I have no doubt that these Dangerous Liaisons kind of parlor games were common place in the Grammar household. I think they liked to set up situations to mind f%# and humiliate their guests. You can bet, if any event is at Camille’s house, she has calculated her every move and her opponents as well… oops I mean her guests.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      The problem with people who play games with someone else as their wingman or wingwoman is that at any time, one can turn on the other. How can you trust someone who is Machiavellac (:-))? They will do it to you at some point.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Well said. Glad you kept trying to get it posted.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Agatha, I know you spend so much time with your post so I wanted to reply to acknowledge them. Don’t worry they will not go ignored, once the madness stops here I will give them a thoughtful response. 🙂

  35. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille take 3:She analyzes methodically everyone’s weakness, to her advantage to set the saboteur’s stage. In some ways, how she landed Kelsey; although he educated her to the finer things in life, including literature. I imagine he taught her the psychology of chess as well. I agree with someone who said the Eliza Doolittle scenario.
    Then after an evening of fun and games she regales a rapt audience of stylists and pay pals, hanging on their mistresses every syllable, stories about everyone, tearing them down. “How could they do this to me in my OWN HOME”… kind of crap.
    She is safe and in control on her terra firma, which leads me to believe these kinds of games, among other games, is what got her and Kelsey’s rocks off. As she’s descending the stairs to greet her tennis guests, you can see this is what she does. It’s written all over her face and body. In control- game- set- match.

  36. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille in conclusion:She is one nasty woman. Empty so empty.
    In one of Kelsey’s interviews, he said something like you can only hope to marry someone decent. Maybe he got so tired/bored of these games that had once bound them together. Maybe between acting gigs these games kept him interested, his skills sharpened. All her “Art of War”, “Dangerous Liaisons”, “Little Prince”, Machiavellian (Machiavlliac) bullshit, she got from him, along with all the other big words (big houses) she sprinkles about at all the wrong times.
    I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind fucked her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!
    I imagine an evening with them would be like Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in “Who’s afraid of Virginia Wolf.”
    Poor Camille really had no self awareness for many years, didn’t need to. She’s lived a sheltered, wealthy, over indulgent, entitled, fantasy life, now she meets the real public and what the small people out there in the dark really see her as. Perhaps some self reflection on her part would do her a world of good to at least pretend to be part of us simple humans. Very sad.

  37. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille take 4:She is one nasty woman. Empty so empty.
    In one of Kelsey’s interviews, he said something like you can only hope to marry someone decent. Maybe he got so tired/bored of these games that had once bound them together. Maybe between acting gigs these games kept him interested, his skills sharpened. All her “Art of War”, “Dangerous Liaisons”, “Little Prince”, Machiavellian (Machiavlliac) bullshit, she got from him, along with all the other big words (big houses) she sprinkles about at all the wrong times.

  38. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille take 5( hopefully if it all fits) the conclusion/end scene:I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind fucked her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!
    I imagine an evening with them would be like Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in “Who’s afraid of Virginia Wolf.”
    Poor Camille really had no self awareness for many years, didn’t need to. She’s lived a sheltered, wealthy, over indulgent, entitled, fantasy life, now she meets the real public and what the small people out there in the dark really see her as. Perhaps some self reflection on her part would do her a world of good to at least pretend to be part of us simple humans. Very sad.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      I think your comments on Kelsey are interesting. His persona is so cerebral that it is hard to know who he is. Perhaps he is so far along now in recovery that he can choose what is best for himself without his prior knee-jerk reactions to women.

      • twoile says:

        @JNO Yep his personna /act is cerebral, but he is a blank other than what his biography of tragic loses of family members & his history addiction/s. If his current decisions are made as a result of healthy perspective, wonderful, but addiction is the disease of relapse.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Did Kelsey say “let’s have a drink” and laugh when he was in the NY apt. with his 2 kids & Camille? I think I heard that while they were all on the couch, right after the pillow fight. It seems to me that Kelsey already had Kayte on the side, long before anyone suspected (especially Camille). He wanted Camille to do RHOBH so that everyone could see her true personality – reality tv does that to people, it’s impossible to completely fool everyone all the time. What is Kelsey really like? From what I’ve heard, he’s not that great a person.

      What is fascinating to me is that now Kayte is looking more Camille-like. Check out the photos on realitytea. Kayte has lost a lot of weight.

      http://www.realitytea.com/2010/12/24/bh-housewife-camille-grammer-kelseys-getting-married-in-january/

  39. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille take 5:I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind fucked her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!

  40. Agatha Cranky says:

    Take 5 for Camille: I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind fucked her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!

  41. Agatha Cranky says:

    Camille for her close up take 5: I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind fucked her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!

  42. Agatha Cranky says:

    Almost ready for my close up: I think these parlor games gave her stage to act and act she will! But now that she’s national, what she could once do in the cocoon of her BH life, is on display for the world, and the masses are not falling for the facade! Kelsey mind f#%& her, set her up and she fell for it. Please, these two were done before the show, he just played his hand the way he wanted- changed the game on her!

  43. Agatha Cranky says:

    And in conclusion final scene: I imagine an evening with them would be like Richard Burton and Liz Taylor in “Who’s afraid of Virginia Wolf.”
    Poor Camille really had no self awareness for many years, didn’t need to. She’s lived a sheltered, wealthy, over indulgent, entitled, fantasy life, now she meets the real public and what the small people out there in the dark really see her as. Perhaps some self reflection on her part would do her a world of good to at least pretend to be part of us simple humans. Very sad.

    • American Idiot says:

      Yeah! Agatha, you posts are here! Gotta go back and read them now. Just happy for you that they showed up.

  44. Agatha Cranky says:

    Thank you American Idiot! ( love that name) I had to do it in sections, was the only way for me to post it!
    Happy Holidays to all the housewives, posters and bloggers. Have a safe and happy new year!

  45. WindyCityWondering says:

    Sometimes it is hard to watch an episode as we know it was filmed awhile ago and may not even be in proper sequence. Because Kyle is still very wary of Camille (the hoping the apology was true on WWHL), I am wondering if the whole not using her husband as the Grammer’s realtor was a Camille without Kelsey decision done for the show and not a real life decision. Camille sent the text when she knew Kyle would be on camera. Her desire to hurt Kyle is so evident. In the show timeframe we know Kelsey is off in New York with his new love and I doubt he is communicating with Camille on any level other than the children. But as we sit here on Christmas Eve – Kyle is surrounded by family and Camille is not!

  46. American Idiot says:

    Gotta go run now and get ready for the Christmas Eve celebration at my in-laws. They are 80 and 82, but they still want to host it. Only six people, my husband’s family is so small. He is an only child of two only children, so he grew up without aunts, uncles or cousins.

    I want to wish all of Lynn’s poster and lurkers a very happy holiday. Full of blessings and peace, and relaxation and joy. Remember to appreciate all that you have, I know I do. I realize I am very blessed to have 2 wonderful children and a great husband. And I am thankful for that. For those of us who may not feel so joyful this time of year, I hope you are encourged by all your “friends” here, and that you find some comfort and companionship here.

  47. Adgirl says:

    That text to Kyle reminded me of when my exhusband’s 2nd wife sent me a horrible nasty letter about me and my children. She timed it to arrive exactly when the children were on vacation with me. I know she planned it because she closely questioned my daughter about the letter and my reaction.

    Run away from the crazy!

    Run Kyle Run!

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Can you imagine what Camillie does to Kelsey’s girlfriend!

      • Adgirl says:

        I’m sure that’s why he won’t talk to Camille. I’ll bet she’s got the kids good and twisted by now.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        She already thinks the loss of the pregnancy was the cosmos taking her side. Who says things like that?

        While I can understand any woman not being happy that their husband got another woman pregnant and how they would be worried about the permanent effects it would have on the life’s of her children- I don’t get the gloating over a loss of a child.

    • TLM says:

      Move away from the crazy. Just like the amoeba from the drop of oil.

  48. JazzNightOut says:

    Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukkah (I know it’s over, but all the same), Happy Kwanzaa and Happy New Year to the whole LynnFam. Thank you for all the fun and support this year. Thank you dear Lynn!

  49. Agatha Cranky says:

    So sorry to everyone. I guess my original posts were delayed. I did it in sections, now I just noticed the original and all the sections. YIKES!.
    You can tell I don’t post much on any site, so my mistakes are from a novice poster, but an experienced lurker.
    . I did not mean to hog this. My sincerest apology to all.

    • Buffywood says:

      No apology necessary, we were all newbies at one time or another. Welcome and Merry Christmas!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      LOL- it’s no problem other than it’s hard to know which one to reply to. It seems like some other posters took the initiative and picked one- so I will just follow their lead.

    • LynnnSoCal says:

      No problem A.C., I had a similar problem here a few days ago with a much shorter post. Ended up posting 3 times. Christmas computer pixies! Enjoyed your take on things. CamelToe is vile as a character and appears to be so in real life too. I don’t really care for her. She gives off an odd vibe of something unhealthy to me.

  50. klmh says:

    WSL:
    This is the church’s doctrine on suicide, as it was changed in 2009:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/mental_health/article6673319.ece

  51. WindyCityWondering says:

    OT – got the best Christmas present ever – just got an e mail from my teenager (yes he is sitting in the next room on his computer….) and he informed me of when he will be busy next week. Apparently, last week when I asked him to drop off our donations to our township food pantry, he filled out an application to volunteer there and that is how he will be spending next week’s winter break. When I asked him why he did that, he informed me that it would be the perfect gift from him to me and a way to help our community!

  52. Wall St Lady says:

    Thanks Adgirl. With u and Jazz I am in honored company.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Dear WSL – please share some of your holiday traditions with us. You have a wonderful way of inspiring and tis the season.

  53. Wall St Lady says:

    Thank u KLMH
    I am going to bookmark that teaching. My husband is Catholic & we attend the Catholic and protestant services.
    Blessu for sharing.

  54. Earring Girl says:

    I am not sure if this has been posted or not, but we all have been speculating about Kelsey and Camille as to who knew what when. This is a “he said-she said” article but it sort of makes sense as to how delusional Camille is and how she twist everything to fit her “jesus complex”.
    http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/816113/kelsey-grammer-divorce-the-details-1

  55. klmh says:

    WSL:

    A day late and a dollar short, but they (Catholic church) have finally come to their senses on some issues, in my opinion. I believe twoile nailed it when she discussed the fear factor being the reason for why the Catholic Church made this a mortal sin. I also remember when eating meat on friday was a sin too!

    • twoile says:

      @WSL, Fish on Fri was strickly an economic decision base on the fishermen lobby.= translated into sin…….anything that was considered unsavory was a sin of ommission or commission….got you either way eekk! I remember as a young girl that any movie we may wish to see had 2 b cleared via the “PILOT” newspaper, a weekly Catholic np.( 2 keep you posted on the latest RC edicts etc.) all (good) RC households were expected 2 subscribe. There was an attempt by Pope John the 23rd to make RC more Christ like less insitutional, bottom up vs top down Mgt.It had a beneficial effect hence sefl inflicted death was no longer a mortal sin, seen as illness deceased was able 2 b buried in consecrated ground/funeral Mass etc. In earlier time frame (in my lifetime, not sure of when it chg) all unbaptised babies were buried in a seperate plot in some cemetaries b/c they were only alloweed 2 enter Limbo (no beatific vision). Now RC is taught there is no limbo, babies can b conditionally Baptised etc so it takes care of all thoes sticky issues of innocents etc.I can only imagine the profound pain the parents suffered due 2 such cold doctrines manufactured over time having nothing 2 do w/spirituality. Make sense that at that time the common (expected!!!!!) practice was to Baptise a baby at two weeks of age(fear of limbo ergo guilt). Now it is more flexible, still after Pope John 23rd’s death each successive Pope has been considerably more conservative(regressive). My my I do go on…sorry Ifirmly believe your brother has found peace in spirit & You & WSM are golden in the best way….I remember ur health advocacy etc….Best of the season to yea! Take care Jeanne

      • klmh says:

        Another positive:
        http://www.religionnewsblog.com/18025/limbo

        I cannot imagine what mental anguish “good catholics” went thru before 2007 if there baby was a stillborn or death occurred before baptism.

      • klmh says:

        I was not aware of the reason you listed, but these statements from Wikipedia are more in tune to what I was taught:

        The Code of Canon Law of the Catholic Church states that the penitential days and times (such as Lent) in the universal Church are every Friday of the whole year and the season of Lent (Code of Canon Law 1250). In Code of Canon Law 1251 states that, abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
        The law of abstinence binds those who have completed their fourteenth year. The law of fasting binds those who have attained their majority, until the beginning of their sixtieth year. Pastors of souls and parents are to ensure that even those who by reason of their age are not bound by the law of fasting and abstinence, are taught the true meaning of penance (Code of Canon Law 1252).
        Catholic Practices
        Catholics usually only eat fish on Fridays during Lent because during that time they believe they should give up to meat every Friday as penance and in recognition of the crucifixion of Jesus. Many Catholics do choose to eat fish as an alternative.
        Answer
        The Church continues to encourage abstinence (eating no meat) on Friday as an act of penance. The practice is no longer binding under sin.

  56. Amber...Real Wife says:

    About to leave for festivities. We celebrate on Christmas Eve, the clan, at Mom’s house, opening our presents at 12am. On Christmas Day, we all stay in our individual homes, eating leftovers and opening our “home” gifts, as the kids play with their toys.

    Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays to everyone! May this season bring you joy and hope.

    Happily Yours,
    AmberRose

  57. Adgirl says:

    It’s time for me to run around cleaning the house in a panic!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Sister, I hear you. It’s 4 pm here and I just sat down. I haven’t even showered yet. MIL is coming over and making a seafood feast- she is Italian and they don’t eat meat on Christmas Eve. There is no way will make it to the family mass at 6pm- the 8pm mass is in Spanish so that leaves 10pm (there is no midnight mass at my local parish).

      I don’t think we will get to wrapping til the kids are asleep.

  58. kbinldo says:

    Happy Holidays everyone! 🙂

  59. Had Enough! says:

    Merry Christmas to all of you who – in Lynn’s words – choose to partake, from one who does not but would certainly welcome an invitation to help trim your tree and eat your Christmas pudding!

    • quincyillinois says:

      Lynn and my boiled suet pudding with brandy brownsugar and butter frosting?

      LOL..

      We are waiting for a 16 month old to go down because we have to put together a walk in play kitchen, a chair and a plastic desk set. We think the four of us can do it all in a couple of hours if we work together.

  60. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Blue Sky
    “Same to you, TLD have a very Merry Christmas/Holiday & Happy New Year to you too!

    Keep talking about zumba classes, exercise etc. I need to get back on track with the exercising!!”

    It’s funny how you forget other people read your posts besides the person you are addressing. I was telling a co-worker today about my stress filled weight gain and journey to lose 50lbs three years ago. I’m allowing myself a little slack diet wise until Jan 02, 2011 and then back with a vengance.
    Thank you for reminding me in your own way why I should continue to take Zumba, Turbo Kick Boxing, Yoga, and run 5K races. This year I will kick it up a notch and run 10K’s every month building up to the Las Vegas Rock n Roll marathon (I’m running the 1/2) next december. With all the talk about hanging out in Vegas on the board, maybe a few of you will join me… Just a thought 😉

  61. Wall St Lady says:

    twoile 4:40 pm
    Jeanne dear,I don’t ever remember being so enlightened in one brief presentation. Thank u for helping me along on my path.
    May God Bless u & ur family richly in the new year.
    Hugs
    Lee

  62. twoile says:

    OT Re: Beth….and her need to gain wgt….so many comments were nasty, didn’t realize that there r so many haters ouch. I couldn’t post the link it is in Huffington Post entertainent section. 🙂

  63. Wall St Lady says:

    Klmh thank u sweet lady. U have turned my world upside down. Quickly my faith plants me firmly. Thanks for teaching me today. I feel so much better.

  64. HD says:

    Everyone summed up my thoughts on the show and on Crazy Camille.

    I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas in which ever way you choose to celebrate it! It has been a joy getting to know all the women on the board, sharing our lives together. I wish you all a Happy New Year -from the looks of the trailer for New York we will have a lot to talk about. 🙂

  65. Wall St Lady says:

    Windy
    We usually act as servers at a 42nd St Mission. We didn’t this year but regardless we have a late dinner of Champagne & caviar w/pancakes & sour cream. The caviar was so expensive this year that we got 4 different kinds from 2 places. We put the lids underneath the 4 tins and had a taste test. We liked the least expensive the best. (Kelly’s Katch). We are taking a break now but next we will have spiked eggnog as we watch
    “It’s a Wonderful Life”
    For the last couple of years we have re wrapped a gift the other really loves ! We find it funny that we can take an item & we don’t even notice it gone. We agree we both have tooooo much.
    We plan to remedy the days of excess and pray God will show us the way & forgive our over indulgences.
    So Windy what u doing sweet lady ?

    • quincyillinois says:

      We really don’t give gifts. We give money for their mortgages and money for college. I don’t like shopping. So there are no gifts under a tree.. Actually, I haven’t decorated in nine years because there are no small children at home. My daughter and her husband have gifts here under a tree as that is his family tradition. I don’t like stuff. If I have to dust it, I don’t want it. I like empty counters.

      When growing up we received necessities like socks and underwear at Christmas. You don’t waste money when you have 7 kids. My husband said that he didn’t have toys either as it was post WW2 Iran. Neither of us feel we were deprived in any way. That was the best our parents could provide.

      So… our granddaughter is getting a lot of toys from her father’s side… I think she will enjoy tomorrow morning.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Dear WSL – like yourself we find ourselves with too much stuff – so December is a giving month. With Santa no longer coming to our house, we try to bring the spirit of the season to others. My youngest and his friends collected bicycles (12 in total), cleaned them up and we drove them over to Goodwill. My oldest will be working at the local food pantry all next week (his present to me). We volunteer at church and have been delivering presents to those who can not get out of their homes or who have lost a spouse. With family so far away each year we have one or two sailors from the Great Lakes naval base over for Christmas dinner (presents, football and phoning home) – which is always fun! Midnight mass must be attended and we joke with the kids about all the years they fell asleep in church! Both boys have incredible voices and I make them sing loudly!! So peace on earth and goodwill towards all – to you and yours I wish this tonight.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Watching “It’s a Wonderful Life” is one of my favorite childhood memories. My mother in law is making pasta and Lobster tail. Dinner is going to be late tonight, I don’t even know if we will make the 10pm mass.

  66. klmh says:

    WSL:

    You have made my day. Thank you.

  67. Blue Sky says:

    Dear Lynn, and everyone here, wishing you Merry Christmas, from this Beatles song
    “So this is Christmas”

    Peace on earth, good will to all…

  68. JazzNightOut says:

    All those of us with Twitter, check it! Ginger Zarin is back, just in time for Christmas. Has a surprise for us 🙂

  69. Wall St Lady says:

    Hi Blue Sky
    I hope u have a beautiful day tomorrow. NYC is supposed to get snow by Monday.
    I love the Beatle’s Christmas song. Thanks for bringing it up in my memory. I will humm it & think of u !
    Merry Christmas !
    Lee

  70. Wall St Lady says:

    Jazz
    WSM said all his favorite Classic Jazz artists r dead except Wynton Marsalis or Clark Terry. Do u have any suggestions of a band we should see. Spirogyro,fusion,is ok.
    Merry Christmas
    Happy New year !
    Love,
    Lee

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Hi sweet lady. The only one I have seen recently and completely and absolutely recommend is Wynton. He is wonderful. I sat above him, and he played “Skylark” on his horn to us. He connects with his audience and educates as he plays. You are near Jazz at Lincoln Center; he is there often when he is not touring around the world. Wish I had some others to recommend but he is really the one! Happy Holidays to you and WSM; seems like just yesterday we all met.

  71. boston02127 says:

    Good night my sweet friends, Merry Christmas.

  72. TLM says:

    My first attempt at an Xtranormal movie: Camille vs. Kyle, Part 1. Enjoy.

    http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8188379/

  73. colibrimoon says:

    Merry Christmas to Lynn and all of her talented and fun commenters!

  74. Rabble Rouser says:

    These kids won’t go to sleep. Hubby is down stairs with MIL wrapping and I am in our bedroom with the kids, they are watching Dora’s Christmas.

    • Adgirl says:

      Mine never would either so I told them they could stay up and read as long as they were quiet. They fell asleep pretty fast after that.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        They still won’t sleep…….I am trying to keep them trapped in here. They keep asking for their daddy, but I told him he is waiting for Santa and that he won’t come if he thinks they are still awake. The youngest has no idea what I am talking about and the oldest buys into it for a few minutes before they start chanting “Daddy, I want Daddy”.

  75. Wall St Lady says:

    While visions of sugar plumes
    Dance in their heads

  76. lillybee says:

    Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and Seasons Greetings to all.

  77. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Good Morning~Merry Christmas Everyone!

  78. ilovelynn says:

    merry christmas evryone! xxx

  79. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Great Blog Lynn~
    Got to actually watch the show first & then read your blog~Thank you;)
    I thought Kyle’s husband could have more supportive & just not even speak to Camille at the party anyway. The main reason I like him other than he gorgeous is that he is faithful & listens to Kyle. That really would have pissed me off. It was like when Alex told Simon about Jill & he went right up & started talking to her at that party. When she told him about Camille & her text he had a strange look & should have said don’t worry about it. I am sure they have plenty of clients in his Real Estate Business anyway right?
    Lisa is beautiful & I love the way she dresses & is very funny but would not want to be her target if you know what I mean. lol
    Kim is a little hard to watch. Sometimes she acts like she’s miss party girl & has these weird jokes she plays on people. Then she acts like the child instead of the parent when her daughter is going away.
    We Got 2 Inches Of Snow!
    First Time Ever In 10 Years on Christmas Day..Be Careful Out There~
    Peace & Hugs To All 🙂

  80. Wall St Lady says:

    Ho Ho Ho Ho

    I have filled your stocking
    With joy love and peace
    And it is hidden in your heart
    So that you can carry it with you
    Where ever you go
    for the whole next year !
    You are loved by God
    You are beautiful
    You were uniquely made
    there is a plan for your life
    and God is always with His special child
    You !
    and I love you too my Lynnfam !

  81. boston02127 says:

    Good morning. Merry Christmas everyone.

  82. boston02127 says:

    Jill Zarin Confirms Return to ‘Real Housewives of New York’, ‘Adores’ Bethenny Frankel’s Replacement

    http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/12/10/jill-zarin-confirms-return-to-real-housewives-of-new-york-adores-bethany-frankels-replacement/

    • twoile says:

      @B(((((Boston)))) Tx 4 the links, hope you have a peaceful day filled w/love. Take care Jeanne

    • California35 says:

      Thanks for this. She wants to build an empire and go big or go home… Hhmm

    • Kokuanani says:

      Good grief. Although a right-wing tool of a paper, the WSJ USED to have some iota of credibility. What on earth is it doing sucking up to Jill Zarin? She “must have something” on WSJ owner Rupert Murdoch.

      • Anne says:

        That is the WSJ blog and it is the section called Speakeasy, which has been there for a while. It doesn’t impeach the integrity of the journal reporting on TV. TV gossip is just that gossip. One thing about the Journal is that globally it is still the paper and information site of choice for business related news. Most noted professionals will testify to that assertion as being correct.

        Rupert could be having sex with a goat and no one would care. He is Murdoch and has one of the last successful papers in the industry. The Times well they are just as bias and don’t have the revenue growth, which the Journal has.

  83. quincyillinois says:

    The walk in kitchen was a hit. I have to write to Amazon’s comments. Another grandmother and granddaughter satisfied. rotfl

    She is cooking, talking on the phone. She can’t reach the microwave buttons, but in time she will be able to do that. She leaves the refrigerator door open. No woman does that. rotfl

    • AZ Girl says:

      OMG! I just think that is just adorable. Having two boys (now grown) our Christmas’ were soccer balls being kicked INSIDE the house on Christmas Day. How sweet!

  84. boston02127 says:

    Kelly made a chair with a glue gun & stuffed animals. From her tweet:

    http://yfrog.com/gzeolloj

    • Had Enough! says:

      But was it charitable?

      (((((((((((((((((((((Boston))))))))))))))))))

      • quincyillinois says:

        Not my gift, but my daughter used the same amount of money for a check to Toys for Tots so other family could have plastic toys for the holidays. LOL..

        In our town, I am the Captain of the Salvation Army’s speed dial. Honestly, whatever happens, he calls me. It’s not my religion, but all of their workers call me by my first name. I walk into their facility and everyone greets me. Camille would be so jealous.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      (((((((((((( Boston )))))))))))))))

    • California35 says:

      Coo coo -lol

  85. Wall St Lady says:

    nathania says:

    December 25, 2010 at 5:15 am

    I know people like your sisters in law. I could have been one myself except for receiving a “stocking” that has been hidden in my heart since I was 15. I usually remember its there and it sustains me. I was really healed when I married a man who has loved me so much that
    I really understand what unselfish love is. (Matter of fact I am having trouble typing cuz he fell asleep beside me holding my hand and I am typing on my BB w/one hand ,I promise ! He just let go)
    Any way, you can only share the love you have. Your sis in law may be so damaged they have become a psychopath (look up deff) which they did not choose to be but they are dangerous and you must b very careful because they will hurt u. They will suck out ur insides and you have to avoid them. Is very unlikely they will change. U can expose them to the love of God through your family faith but they may use that to suck you in with a false hope only to try to steal more love in your heart. You can try to bless their children but that could instill selfish rash that could stun you in its sick & mean manifestation of jealousy & hate towards you. Again read the definition of a psycho. Your only path may be to set a loving example in your life and pray that a miracle may happen and the psycho healed. Again sadly,that is unlikely. Sadly your only weapon is prayer for the psycho, from afar. Prayer for yourself and your brother that God protect you with His grace. Again, because they probably will never change.
    Last ,Scott Peck’s book “People of the Lie” explains that a narcissist is the hardest to be healed be cause they believe the entire world is at fault & that they are the victim. Peck says if u can’t acknowledge u r part of the “problem” u can’t b part of the solution. Peck says this is what we call evil or the person of the lie.
    I am so sorry for your brothers but they are blessed to have a sister like you who suffers with and for them. You can help them. You can encourage your brothers to fill their hearts with God’s wisdom. They are blessed to have you. I would get them Pecks book.
    Meantime, may God Bless u and your family and show you the way. Scripture says “yea thou u walk through the valley of the shadow of death,I am with you.”
    For give me if I have mentioned God & He’s not your thing but His truth is the only thing I know I can really share over the internet & my words come from my heart cuz I know that God loves you & your family(even your sisters in law)
    You are a blessing to your family !
    May the New Year bring answeres to all your hopes & dreams !

  86. TLM says:

    My “Camille vs. Kyle Part 1” Xtranormal video is now on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR2XvuBqIWs

  87. AZ Girl says:

    Merry Christmas to you all!!
    My “second born” arrived late afternoon from Flagstaff just in time for church. We all went out for good Italian food after church and all is quiet this morning. I will be starting a cooking marathon in about an hour. In-laws for brunch and nephews for dinner. I will try and check in every once in a while.

    Special holiday wishes to Lynn, QuincyIl,, Boston, OMIB, JustAnotherMary, HD, Had Enough, WSL, TrueLifeDiva, Rabble, WindyCityWondering, KLMH, Blue Sky and ADgirl.

  88. nancy says:

    Here for a moment. Well, I have 2 hours to get ready to go to my oldest. Want to give a great welcome back to Lynn. Quincy did you proud. Merry Christmas to all. Oh, hate to be braggy but my hubby bought me a new car. Well new to me but was used. Eddie Baurer. ( spelling ) I had been without a car since May. Son always took me shopping. How he pulled this off I will never know as I check our money daily. What a sneak but love him so much after 27 plus years. Sorry to brag but I am so happy. Again, love to all. Merry Christmas lynnfam.

  89. OneMoreInBoston says:

    This is pretty cute-
    I snagged it from RCH’s site:

  90. Wall St Lady says:

    Dutchess of lint
    I miss u.

  91. California35 says:

    Feliz Navidad!!! Wishing you all a Marry Christmas, and a peaceful but happy day.

  92. debbie says:

    Thanks to all of you for sharing yourselves and your thoughts. You’ve made the last few months so much more enjoyable…and helped me to come out of my shell.
    Merry Christmas!! I’d wish for you, your friends & family…No Worries, Great Health, Hearts Filled with Love and Peace in the New Year.

  93. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Nancy, that is so wonderful! I’m so happy for you. That was truly needed and your husband is some kinda great guy to pull off a surprise that. You be sure to show him how great he is after all the guests leave 😉 (boom chicka wow wow!)

    • nancy says:

      My My My you are the nasty one. LOL.. He will get lots of extras. Car, kitchen,table,you get the idea. Wow this is so unlike me but I am so overjoyed.

  94. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @AZ Girl,
    Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and a wonderfull 2011 to you sweetie! 😀

  95. Waxdiva says:

    Lisa Vanderpump isn’t having such luck lately… she was robbed in NYC:

    http://stoopidhousewives.wordpress.com/

  96. Powell says:

    Lynn,
    It has been a pleasure to read your blog and all your fans comments. I am very glad that I stumbled upon your blog in 2010. I am so happy for you that your blog has become so popular that you have “Housewife” cast as fans and that your popularity has led to other writing jobs. Keep up the good work in 2011. I’ll be reading
    And laughing!!!!!!

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