IHJZ A Message to the Housewives

An Open Letter to the Real Housewives and Husbands of Bravo by: LynnNChicago

The social media like Twitter and Facebook are excellent ways for you all to communicate with the fans of your prospective shows. I know that the majority of you use these tools to keep up with public opinion and to “hear” what fans are saying about you all but I think mostly it is a good tool for you to communicate with us.

I know better than anyone that there are rude, crude and vicious people out there, particularly on Twitter. Facebook is definitely a kinder, gentler forum. On Twitter, sometimes you just have to block people who are mean and are simply tweeting nasty, vicious things to you. If people are just going to call you names and are completely unreasonable, by all means block them. But that really should be the exception rather than the rule.

I have to give a lot of credit to you housewives and husbands who rarely block fans, even if their comments are less than complimentary. A great example of that is Jacqueline Laurita of New Jersey. During this past season, Jacqueline did some things that left fans a bit less than impressed. The stunt at the country club, yelling while screaming at Danielle her 25-year old crimes was not Jacqueline’s shining moment and I would bet that she regrets it.

I was not alone in calling Jacqueline out on her behavior, many of us had a hard time understanding Jacqueline’s actions and we tweeted our disapproval. Now here you might ask, who are you to call someone out on their behavior? Well, we’re fans of the show and the cast put themselves on TV, they open up their lives to fans and we’re expected to have an opinion, in fact Bravo hopes that we have strong opinions so that they get ratings. If fans were indifferent, there would be no viewers and no Housewives.

The reaction of the Housewives is really the key to their success, in my opinion. In my example, while Jacqueline was under fire from many fans, she didn’t just take the whole bunch of critical fans and block them. She read the tweets and in some cases she responded, in other cases she sent out a general tweet to everyone addressing fans concerns and still others, such as in my case, Jacqueline sent a personal private DM. I cannot tell you how much respect I had for Jacqueline at that moment.

Here was a fan that watches her show, was criticizing her behavior but she didn’t lash out, she didn’t even make excuses and she certainly didn’t block me, she sent me a private message and if her goal was to get me back in her corner, it worked!

Jacqueline made a promise to fans that she wouldn’t mention Danielle ever again, and while she wasn’t perfect, she really tried to do what fans wanted her to do and just let it go with the whole Danielle battle. In fact, Jacqueline’s actions at the reunion earned a lot of people’s respect.

This, ladies and gentlemen is how a good housewife/husband treats fans. Jacqueline is the perfect example of how to handle a bad situation and turn it into a positive.

On the other end of the spectrum, we have housewives like Kim Zolciak, Jill Zarin, Dina Manzo and Teresa Giudice who have the “Block” on both Twitter and Facebook on speed dial.

I really don’t mind being blocked by a housewife but I like to have earned the block. In the case of Jill Zarin, for example, while I don’t blame her for blocking me just based on the name of my blog, I really haven’t said anything to her on Twitter that wasn’t the complete truth or that wasn’t an opinion shared by many. I was never vulgar or foul mouthed, I don’t see the point in just swearing at people on Twitter, or anywhere for that matter.

If someone is just spewing vulgarity at someone, of course they’re going to be blocked.

In the case of Kim Zolciak, she had posted some of her clothing on Ebay, expensive designer gowns and shoes but it was obvious that she did it herself and had never posted on Ebay before because it was missing so much information. There was no size of anything, there was no mention of what the material was, and it was literally a photo of a dress with an absurdly high price tag. There was one designer gown listed for $10,000.

In my head, I really wanted to help Kim to improve her Ebay listings and so I tweeted to her that her listings “sucked” (ok I could have chosen a better word) but I went on to Tweet to her that she needs to add a whole lot of more information to her Ebay listings if she really wanted to sell her items. Needless to say, she blocked me.

Over the past several months since then, I’ve made a few attempts at trying to get Kim to unblock me but to no avail.

I really don’t think I earned the block by Teresa either, she would probably have as many followers as Bethenny if she didn’t block so many people. (Ok that is an exaggeration but you get my point). Teresa even tweeted at one point that she was going to block people with vulgar language and then went on to block dozens of Tweeters that said nothing vulgar at all, simply questioned what Teresa was saying. You probably guessed that this was the time when Teresa was bashing Bethenny on her BravoTV.com blog and on Twitter.

Teresa tweeted that Bethenny’s fans are disgusting and vulgar and anyone who swore at her would be blocked but she blocked people who simply defended Bethenny without using any profanity. However Teresa blocked many people that day, in fact she blocked everyone who disagreed with her and defended Bethenny whether they used profanity or not.

Blocking fans for these B list celebrities is really cutting their own throats, the more fans following them, the better obviously but it is not only that, I have learned that even though fans may not like a specific housewife, they will still talk about them. In fact many fans talk about the housewives they don’t like a whole lot more than the ones that they do like.

Believe it or not, Kelly Bensimon actually “got it” for a while, I did nothing but criticize her since I started using Twitter and at first she blocked me but then suddenly one day she not only unblocked me, but she followed me. I don’t know why it happened but it was actually a genius move because I was conscience of the fact that she was following me when I tweeted anything about her. I tended to give her the benefit of the doubt more often and even gave her a few compliments.

Suddenly one day it was as if the Columbia Education leaked out of her head and she went back to blocking me. (I should add that it wasn’t just me, she treated several fans the same way as she did me) I don’t know if Jill Zarin got to her or if maybe she was seeing too much negativity in her timeline by unblocking her critics but as soon as she blocked me again, I went back to being just as brutal to her as I did before. It wasn’t completely conscience either, I did have some respect for her having the guts to follow her critics so I laid off of her just a bit.

So what if all of the housewives just unblocked their critics, not the wack jobs who are vulgar and vile but those of us who just have critical things to say about their actions. Like Jacqueline Laurita, she now knows exactly what is being said about her by not only her die-hard fans, but by those of us who can be critical at times and don’t suck up but try to tell it like it is.

The newer housewives like Cynthia and Phaedra from Atlanta and all the DC and BH ladies don’t seem to block people as frequently as the veterans. Phaedra took a whole lot of criticism during her canned goods episode but still, she answered her critics or ignored them, but didn’t block everyone who had something negative to say to her.

With the exception of Camille Grammer who completely wiped out her Twitter account due to the amount of unfriendly tweets she was getting, even Taylor who is getting a lot of lip jokes hasn’t blocked a whole lot of people.

Its all in the way that they handle the critical tweets, but come on Housewives, stop blocking everyone!

Just a suggestion….

Until Next Time..

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349 Responses to IHJZ A Message to the Housewives

  1. boston02127 says:

    Lynn, Thanks for the new blog. If I were in their place (which would I never would) I’d want to know what everyone was saying.

    • Blue Sky says:

      you are smart Boston, I like the way you think.

    • boston02127 says:

      correction—“which I never would be”

    • sophie says:

      You would think, that knowing full well the resultant backlash of behaving in a nasty way, these women would ‘get it’ and cease and desist their bad behavior.

      However, egos are involved. Suddenly the ‘world’ is paying attention to them, they feel deserving of praise and can do no wrong. They are above everyone and everything.

      It is the rare bird who is not negatively influenced by sudden ‘fame’ or fortune.

      I know some very formerly down to earth people who’ve suddenly come into money and become unbearable in their conceit. My husband always buys lottery tickets, and I tell him we’ll never win, because we are not meant to lose our friends and loved ones over money. I actually fear winning. I’d love to think I would be among the few who isn’t changed by it, but hey…you never know. I’d rather remain poor and obscure and keep my friends and loved ones and live a simple enjoyable life with little more than the usual worries and pressures.

      A few of the Housewives seem to have retained their own values in spite of wealth or fame. But not many. We see women who will live above their means to continue the facade and are willing to trash their public reputations at the exclusion of all else. And the way they treat others is a reflection of the way they probably really feel deep down about their own lives. Miserable and unhappy.

      • sammyjoesmom says:

        ” I tell him, we’ll never win because we are not meant to lose our friends and loved ones over money” That is one of the most perfect sentences I have ever read.

  2. Melinda says:

    YES!!! thank you for saying it!!! I was blocked by Jill Zarin I believe simply because she saw you on my list of followers/followed because up until that moment I had never tweeted to her saying ANYTHING!! I never tweeted to her at all…..but as soon as she blocked me….well, gloves off Jill 😉

    I think Camille wussed out…….she can dish it but she can’t take it. I do agree there are UGLY haters on Twitter (some go after famous and some go after everyone) but easiest thing to do is not read their crap. If someone is being vile, block……but not just because they follow someone you don’t like. 😉

    Great Blog and happy almost 2011

    • kotagirl29 says:

      I can tell you for a fact that Jill blocked me because I follow you Lynn. When this all began with the “threatening” mail, tweeting her address, or whatever the heck that mess was this summer I was following both you and Jill (to name just a few). Well when the accusations started flying and Jill was informing the “proper authorities”, all of the sudden one day I was blocked. So after reading and tweeting about what was going on, I got curious. I un-followed Lynn and wrote Jill telling her that I have no idea why she blocked me, I felt it was an error. I got a message back a short while later with an apology and BAM – I was un-blocked. So I started following Lynn again. Within two hours I was once again blocked by Jill. Strange coincidence, I don’t think so. Needless to say, I’m not all broken up about being blocked as I can’t stand the woman anyway, but it does certainly prove that some of these housewives just can’t take the criticism. I guess their Mom’s never told them that you have to take the good with the bad.

    • Jennifer Neehan says:

      Same thing happened to me by Lindsey Nitzsche she and her group blocked me because I posted on her RealHousewivesblog Face Book page how terrific Lynn is and how great this site is. So it is not only the Housewives but their groupies that do it.


  3. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Well Said Lynn~
    I miss a lot of things since I haven’t tweeted in months.
    I don’t have twitter or facebook anymore because of all the garbage in the form of some people & virus’ you can get that will harm your computer.
    I still use myspace though. It’s a lot more mellow 😉

  4. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    I also wanted to say I hope you all in places where the snow in piling up & warm & safe.
    Peace & Hugs

  5. StillAWallflower says:

    Great blog! I don’t Tweet/follow Twitter, but it seems that these “stars” (I’d say d-list, not b-list) should expect the scrutiny when they sign up to do these shows.

    Either they are “playing a part” and should welcome the response their “acting” gets, or they are putting themselves out there for the world to see and shouldn’t be surprised when their bad behavior elicits criticism.

  6. TrueLifeDiva says:

    A few weeks ago someone posted comments made by Jill. I went to look at the actual comments and it was taking forever for them to load. I thought they might load quicker if I followed her. And then BAM! Twitter informed me I had been blocked by Jill. I was Pre-blocked y’all ;-). I’ve only been on twitter for 3 months and mostly lurk. How did she even know of my existence let alone feel the need to block any potential comments? Oh, okay. I follow Lynn and Ginger Zarin, the unauthorized spokesdog. But Lynn and Ginger have thousands of followers. Do you mean to tell me you pre-blocked everyone who follows someone that makes fun of you? You really do need a friggin hobby :-D.

    • quincyillinois says:

      Hmmm. I think an argument can be made for prejudice here. I am not on twitter, but I have probably been blocked and I think my civil rights are being violated. This has to be a First Amendment Freedom of Speech issue. Jill Zarin’s twitter is a public/celebrity site so keeping me from following her words of wisdom 24/7 is certainly a court worthy action. Perhaps, I should contact the Hamptom’s police dept.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Yup, just like kindergarten. Or high school. And sadly, real life. Who your friends are determines how others perceive you. What you have to say, doesn’t matter to “team Jillzilla.” But we love you here TLD…and remember what Caroline Manzo said “if you associate with trash then you will smell like garbage.” Lol, Jillzilla did you a favor!

      • Jennifer Neehan says:

        I don’t do Twitter. I was going to the RealHousewives Blog Facebook page mainly to read the Twitter as that is what it mainly is. Lindsey has a continual stream of Twitter posts from the Housewives she follows. Most of it lost me.
        What aggreviated me was that after making what I thought was a constructive post that didn’t praise Teresa Lindsey and all her groupies accused me of being someone else they didn’t like, started using obscenities and insulted me and the other person and I was banned. So I think a lot of the banning is because you happen to remind them of someone else. Juvenile and kindergarden.

        Does this make sense?????


        • Blue Sky says:

          Yeah it does to me. You went against the group, so the “groupies” punished you. How immature of them!

          Kind of explains why when there’s a group of people gathered together, & something bad happens, no one has the courage or the integrity to stop it. Group think….it’s very dangerous. On this board, the posters are mature enough to allow anyone to post their thoughts. They will listen, judge the reasoning of the argument, and will not attack you for voicing your opinion. However, if a poster is attacking others here, that is troll behavior. Trolls are banned.

          Keep posting Jen. You’re going to like it here!

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  8. Butters'Mom says:

    Well said Lynn. I only follow Bethenny on twitter. All the rest I will look at their tweets one in awhile. I guess I am lazy I leave it to you and others here to follow them then post what you all think as worthy of attention. Thanks for shouldering the burden for me. Especially KKB my head would explode if I had to directly read her tweets.

  9. Blue Sky says:

    Lynn, you know that they block because they can’t handle all the negativity. I wouldn’t want all that negative attention either, so I don’t blame them at all for blocking.

    Twitter is the black hole of human dysfunction when it comes to twits tweeting mindless garbage about others. If someone tweets a constructive criticism, it is lost in the black hole of twitter nastiness.

    However there are some people out there tweeting some really neat things, philosophical musings or whatever. Those kinds of tweets do not seem to involve reality cast members such as the ho’wives lol! Maybe Bethenny will be an exception.

    Had Enough said this in the previous blog about Bethenny and her journey on becoming a better human being (Bethenny has a good therapist!)

    “I have a feeling that Bethenny really is coming from a place of yes and positive since Bryn was born. Avoiding toxicity doesn’t mean just avoiding Jill Zarin. It means not creating toxicity, either. Yes, toxicity with a dose of humor is a bit less toxic, but it is still not good. It is like people who write something nasty or cutting in an e-mail and then end it with a winky or laughy emoticon. I think Bethenny realized that not everyone appreciates her humor, and more, that it was not always humorous, and that it was more often than not gratuitous and totally unnecessary. Why should she make a comment about Rachel Zoe? What was the point? Who asked her? So one thing about Bethenny is that she is self-aware (to the point of pain) and I think she just took a hard look at herself and what she was doing and decided to knock it off.”

    Thank you Had Enough, I am going to make avoiding toxicity and even more important, not creating toxicity a main goal in my future. Of course we will continue to snark about the ho’wives, because they are on tv, & they are putting themselves in the harsh spotlight….but I’ll try to be nice about it!

    Lynn, thank you for creating your blog. You allow us to gather & discuss important topics, I love you. And I love so many of the wonderful posters here too. Thanks for helping me get through the tough days, & teaching me new ways of thinking.

    • California35 says:

      Thanks for bringing that Blue Sky, I read it but didn’t comment on it because it was too late. Had Enough – I had been noticing that about Bethenny, she is more careful now. We liked the way she was because we got her humor, but others (and mosttly those she was talking about) didn’t. She is noticing that, and she has way more in her life now. I think she selects how she spends her time better. When she was a guest bloger for NJ, I thought she was great because what she said was on my mind and she said it in a waythat was funny. Teresa showed her hate from then on (or more so than before). When I’m sure B thought her coments would be for laughs. As you said, she probably is looking at herself closer and now edits herself more than before. I like her for that, we all need to do that from time to time (make improvements), but I hope she doesn’t change too much. After all, she got so many fans during the time.

      • TLM says:

        Lynn, I think it sounds like Kelly practiced PR 101 on you!! By unblocking and following you she has diffused you. Look out if she tells you you have a pretty dress on (PR 102).

        I really don’t think Bethenny’s changes have anything to do with avoiding toxicity, but she definitely has started pushing A Place of Yes, and I hear her injecting that title into every interview now. Obviously her life has changed in the last couple of years, but she was using the term “A Place of Yes” when she had that initial meeting with Kelly, long before Jason and Bryn came along.

        I think B’s curbing public comments like that does not mean she no longer makes them in private. If she is asked to comment on someone, she doesn’t generally hold back. She just tends not to put things out there unsolicited anymore. She didn’t hold back when asked about Martha Stewart (“she’s a cold person”), and she didn’t hold back about the SWTS judges. But she knows it can backfire, and I think she’s just trying to limit what she puts out there for public relations reasons, not for spirituality. Bethenny is still Bethenny. She didn’t become a Tibetan monk when she had a baby.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          I agree absolutely, Kelly was trying her PR101 and PR102 on a few of us, I wasn’t the only one that she followed, I was just curous as to why she turned it around and re-blocked after a few months – if it was her decision or if someone influenced her to do it.

          • sammyjoesmom says:

            When you say “Blocked”, do you mean totally blocked? I am blocked by Kelly so that even if I just go to her twitter page, it says “You have been blocked by this person”. Also, if I tweet to her, respond to her tweets. I hope that makes sense.

    • klmh says:

      I agree. Why would I want to want to communicate in any way, shape or form with someone who demeans or berates me? Why would I want to take advise from someone who sees me on television a few minutes once a week for a few months when timelines are changed, story lines are developed and manipulation is used in producing these shows? Why would I expect those who criticize me know who I really am and why would I subject myself to their negative scrutiny?

      • quincyillinois says:

        I don’t know why they are on twitter. In the old days stars didn’t interact with the public. I think the old time stars were smarter than today’s crop.

        • klmh says:

          Im not sure. I suppose because their ego is being fed. But I don’t know why anyone would put themselves and their family members out there like that to have their lives dissected, scrutinized and damaged. Its beyond me.

  10. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Welcome back Lynn! You are on fire upon returning and on point. I don’t do twitter but glance on everyone’s from links on this blog. It is a crazy world that twitterverse, but I haven’t been sucked in to join. I’d rather snark here, because if I got on twitter, my family wouldn’t eat, the house would be a sty, and i’d be fighting with tweetheads all day long! LOL

    Your Portrait of a SmokeStack (tm another poster), I mean KimZickyaack was great! That woman wouldn’t know the truth if it walked up to her and smacked her. She is a vile piece of inhumanity that whores, curses, smokes and drinks way too much. Her daughters, though, love her. That is a testament to her. Could it be that she is the ONLY one who is with them, their biggest cheerleader, or spoils them rotten? Regardless, they get her and love her. Kudos to Kim.

    Quincy did such a wonderful job holding down the fort in your absence. I didn’t even know you were gone til day 2! LOL She kept the conversation moving and handled everything with great aplomb. She was quite the Lieutenant, an awesome #2, in this army of outspoken HW fans. As the General you should be pleased that you can have a blog AND go on vacation, knowing we’ll still be here. 🙂

    • quincyillinois says:

      Always… the foot soldier… Your chance of survival is better. The sharp shooters always take aim at the guy on the white horse.

      I find rocks and logs are useful places to hide behind.

  11. I don't have my notes says:

    This post about blocking has struck a chord with me as I’ve had a similar situation in my personal life that has some parallels here I think.

    I met a new friend while on vacation a year ago. We live a few states away and have kept in contact via phone and email. She started exhibited severe depression saying very disturbing comments of not caring to live anymore, not wanting to seek therapy to help herself, etc. She also described she now feels the way she did during a major depressive episode many years ago where she lost her job, apartment and most of her hair. Of course I was very concerned and was looking into having a crisis intervention team show up on her doorstep and told her so.

    Two days later, she was all sunshine and roses. I would say manic, which makes me believe she must be bi-polar. Anyway, the emotional whiplash was too much for me and I told her that she is scaring me and must get help. I told she was, in fact, not fine.

    Her response to this was to write me a letter thanking me for my friendship and she’ll never bother me again. She has also blocked my email and telephone number.

    My conclusion in this and possibly with the celebrity of the housewives is this:

    People don’t like it when you get to know too much in their business, even if they allow it and invite it in. Especially if you won’t go along and just indulge them and tell them what they want to hear, even if it is detrimental to their health and well being.

    To me, blocking is like a small child sticking their fingers in their ears and closing their eyes to make us, the voice of reason or criticism disappear so they don’t have to deal with it. And therefore, the problem really doesn’t exist.

    Just my two cents. Thanks for letting me share.

    • quincyillinois says:

      and…people don’t like it when you figure them out. Sounds like a lot of manipulation was going on with that woman and you were feeding her needs.
      You saw a problem and reasonably wanted to address it, but she gets her needs fed by going from person to person and sucking up their life force. I am impressed that you reasoned your way out of this.

      • I don't have my notes says:

        I think you just nailed it! Thanks.

        • quincyillinois says:

          I am available for very nice dinner parties in Malibu and Beverly Hills. I have a ratty sweater and tan slacks too.

          • Adgirl says:

            And you’ll be glad to “predict” unhappy marriages or divorces for everyone Idonthavemynotes doesn’t like.

          • kotagirl29 says:

            Just because you brought up the psycho, I mean psychic I have to tell everyone what I saw on TV last night. Yup, electronic cigarettes. They supposedly taste like a cigarette, but don’t smell like one. The “smoke” is vaporized water. I really hope these things don’t become popular.

    • California35 says:

      I’m sorry she did that, when all you had told her was that you cared and worry for her. I thought you were going to tell us that you had to block her because you were just too worry for her all the time….instead you said she blocked you 😦 think of it this way, you dont have to see her sadness and change of moods…what’s better – you don’t have to feel bad for blocking her.

      • I don't have my notes says:

        Oh agreed. I did want some “space” from all of this but not cut her out completely. I appreciate your thoughts.

    • klmh says:

      Ignorance is bliss and denial is a great defense mechanism. Do we take criticism well from strangers? Do we accept criticism well from friends when its not solicited?

  12. kris says:

    I was blocked from posting comments on this site this summer

    • quincyillinois says:

      but you are back so welcome and Happy Holidays to you and your family.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      welcome back Kris! I can’t imagine why you would be blocked unless maybe you were rude to someone here?
      Regardless, welcome back – I look forward to hearing your thouhgts, so please don’t be shy about voicing your opinion!

      • BessiB says:

        Well. I have been blocked for the last couple of days from the last blog for no reason that I know of.

        • quincyillinois says:

          I have no idea why that was either…. You are back so Happy Holidays to you and your family also. I hope you all have health and happiness in 2011.

    • Kat says:

      kris did you post as joyce? Your quilt pattern is familiar.
      Welcome back.

  13. California35 says:

    Lynn you always give the wives credit and I like that about you. You tell them like it is, but also give them credit. You give your opinion, that’s it – people can take it any way the want. I am glad that you have this blog, so that you can give your opinion to us who share your point of view. At the same time, giving as a podium to do the same.

  14. MickeyMouth says:

    An interesting blog Lynn. Twitter is a rough place. I have used my block button. Mostly for spam, but sometimes to relieve myself of someone who is annoying, obnoxious or both. But a reality “celebrity” blocking seems counterintuitive. Most don’t have an agent or a studio backing so they really need to be their own cheerleader with the fans. Blocking arbitrarily based on who you follow I get and I don’t get. I have no doubt that Jill Zarin perceives you as her blogger/twitter nemesis. She may assume that those who follow you will be of the same opinion as you regarding her antics on RHONY. I almost can’t blame her for blocking based on who follows you; however, I don’t think she realizes how this may impact fans. She probably has made more enemies using this formula of blocking than addressing it in a way similar to as you have described Jacqueline Laurita’s twitter behavior. Maybe you two could discuss it on your podcast. I think that interview would be awesome! 

    I hope everyone has had a good holiday and I wish you all a Happy New Year!

  15. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @MickeyMouth, hey chick! How ya been doing? 🙂

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Good! It’s been a busy time but I am taking a break this week. The boys are out shoveling the snow and I am playing catch-up on line!

      How have you been? 🙂

  16. boston02127 says:

    If the housewives lived & acted like decent human beings they wouldn’t have to block anyone. They block people because they are ashamed of themselves and their actions.
    Too bad they don’t realize that a simple thing like blocking doesn’t make how they acted disappear. Hello Jill & Teresa & Dina!

  17. Wall St Lady says:

    Kris do u have any idea why u could have been blocked ?

    • quincyillinois says:

      I doubt that we will ever know the reasons, but having been the fill in captain of the ship, I was given access to the ship’s logs for a few days. No one is banished from the planet without a reason. You can be placed in suspended animation or disassembled, but there are rules. kris, which was probably not kris back then, must have violated the rules of the board.

  18. TEB says:

    Twitter is a scary place. I go there to lurk sometimes and have posted just a couple of times. There are some people on twitter that use the anonymity as a shield to say some really disturbing things.

  19. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @MickeyMouth, I’m doing good. I’ve tossed my diet in the wastebasket until sunday 😉 I will excersize as usual but am not turning down second helpings or sweets. Whatever the scale says Jan 02,2011 will be my new starting point. But for now life is good 😀

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Yeah I pretty much did the same with my diet. I have enjoyed Christmas this year. I didn’t allow myself to get overwhelmed and just tried to live in the moment. I hope 2011 is a good year for everyone!

  20. WindyCityWondering says:

    While I don’t twitter nor do I have any desire to – it seems it’s inherit purpose is for spewing hatefulness at anyone and everyone. Obviously, there are also good people who want to use this communication tool in a positive manner! But when you say mean things (Dina) and then delete them it truly doesn’t absolve you of your actions! When you do mass blocking (Jill) because of who you think is associated with whom it shows a pettiness worthy of the school yard bully. This is a slippery slope tool for those whose intentions are not honorable or who want positive communication.

    • quincyillinois says:

      Nothing ever disappears from cyberspace. I think in real life Dina and Jill probably make nasty comments to friends, but when they publish those same thoughts, they worry about how they will be perceived and delete.

      The problem is… those words are saved and shared with people who are online and not a part of the twitter kingdom so we just think Dina and Jill are awful people and those thoughts stick with us. Everyone does some good, but you can quickly negate all of your hard work with a few nasty words. It’s such a shame, but it’s true.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Exactly – nothing every really disappears (Camille’s blog, Dina’s tweets, Jill’s Amazongate, etc)! These are grown ass women who by now should know this fact to be self evident….it reminds me of grade school and passing notes, The rule was/is and always will be: Don’t say anything bad/mean that you don’t want other people(or the teacher) to read!

        • quincyillinois says:

          The rules that we learned as children always apply. Jill and Dina probably skirted those rules back then so they are learning this now.

  21. WindyCityWondering says:

    OT – been watching the Weather Channel this morning – to all on the east coast, please stay safe and warm!

  22. HD says:

    I don’t Twitter. My life is too boring and quite honestly I don’t care to know what someonne is doing all the time. I am on Facebook which is drama filled for some people. To be honest if someone kept coming to my page with bovine spillage I would block them. However if I am getting negative comments or whatnot I would want to read them but constant drama starters would be blocked.

  23. quincyillinois says:

    When I visit a hotel or a home with great internet, I enjoy hulu. They have discussion threads too. There is a discussion on Mauricio and that Las Vegas fight.

    Did you see how Mauricio warmed to the women at the table when he was walking with Kyle in the restaurant before she told him about the text firing him? He does flirt. Kyle ignored it because she feels secure in her marriage, but an insecure woman would notice the flirting and take action.

    Ramona’s husband was following attractive women in a street cafe and Bravo picked up on it. Jill actually called Ramona to tell her because Ramona didn’t see it.

    It’s wild that Jill and Camille would notice this in someone else’s husband.

    • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

      Thanks Q
      That’s one I didn’t know about~Hulu

    • MickeyMouth says:

      Good observation Quincy. I really didn’t think what Mauricio was doing was flirting. I thought of it as schmoozing. If my husband did that in front of me, I would probably tease him about it later. I would never jump to the conclusion that he was actually interested in having an affair. Perspective is everything. I wonder if Camille has ignored past philandering from her husband.

    • I was greatly disappointed in Mauricio’s reaction when Kyle told him about her fallout with Camille. I thought he was cruelly disloyal to Kyle when he said he was responsible to his clients. Then he flirted with Camille talking about all his jewelry at that costume party while Kyle watched. What did he think he was doing? I read he works for Kyle’s sister’s husband, THE HILTON, so I think his “loyalty” to the Grammers is misplaced.

      His behavior also made me think maybe Camille wasn’t making it up when she implied he cheats on Kyle. I got to thinking, hm, maybe it’s Camille he’s hit on, or maybe she’s seen him hit on other women or does know something. He sure was…chatting Camille up in a rather “eye-batting” kind of way, wasn’t he? I went from really liking Mauricio to really not. How thin these shallow facades are.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Mauricio wasn’t disloyal to Kyle – he was not sucking up to Camille either. He doesn’t have a dog in this fight and he knows that Kelsey is the key player not Camille. IMO, he is a nice guy, who knows to stay out of manufactured drama!

        • klmh says:

          Mauricio was not happy with Kyle’s behavior to one of his wealthy clients because he feels she should have controlled herself. It comes down to dollars for him. He did have a dog in this fight, because of the marriage. Of key importance is the phone call to Kyle from Camille telling her Kelsey would no longer be doing business with M. Why do you think he didn’t have a dog in this fight? Thats what all of this postering was about!

          • klmh says:

            Sorry, posturing, not postering.

            • quincyillinois says:

              Yes, those deals are worth millions of dollars to Maurico’s employer and himself.

              My husband has helped people I do no like for good reasons, but I ignore this because he has an oath and has to help everyone.

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        Remember Mauricio is acting on why Kyle told him and not what we have seen so far. There was a lot of ugliness that I’m sure he does not know about, heck, even Kyle didn’t know about i.e. Allison, Camille and DeeDee talking about her behind her back. I’m sure both Mauricio and Kyle a. feel differently about all that happened and b. got the last laugh since Camille now has her financial hands tied and is getting divorced from Kelsey.

      • TLM says:

        Wow, I didn’t see it that way at all. I think Mauricio and Kyle will always support each other. Both had an interest in smoothing things over with Camille because of the financial interest involved to themselves and to Mauricio’s company. As crazy as clients can be, you often have to kowtow to them, and Kyle is no different from the wife of an executive who doesn’t get along with her husband’s boss’ wife. Jeff Lewis is very outspoken, and yet he has put up with insane things from clients — including one who slapped his design associate across the face and then laughed about it. I would have told the guy to get f****d, but as much as Jeff shoots his mouth off, he said nothing. It was all about not losing the business. I thought that was far worse than this. He didn’t even stand up for his employee who was physically assaulted in front of his face. At the end of the day, Kyle and Mauricio love each other and appear to have a great marriage.

        It doesn’t surprise me that Camille thinks men come on to her all the time. She thinks she’s incredibly hot and doesn’t see herself as the desperate old cougar she is. I honestly don’t think she can tell the difference between a guy coming on to her, and her throwing herself at him. I’m sure she would love to think that Mauricio fantasizes about her, but I think nothing could be further from the truth. She is a client and he is being a politician, trying to smooth things over. Nothing more, nothing less.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      In Mauricio’s case, in that restaurant situation, I figured it was business & he wasn’t just flirting. He’s in real estate, connections are important, and being a handsome, gracious, charming fellow to clients & potential clients is smart business. Not saying he’s phony, but he’s smart.

      • Sparkles says:

        That’s how I interpreted it too. He’s a charmer, but that doesn’t mean he’s a cheater. Also, when he talked to Camille at the 20’s party, I don’t think he was flirting. In fact he didn’t even comment (at least not that we saw) on how she looked even though she told him he looked good.

      • klmh says:

        Me too.

  24. Here’s my question: how on earth does someone keep up with thousands and thousands of “followers” or “friends”? I can’t imagine why they’d even try. I’m sure an assistant is doing the heavy lifting, and I can see blocking a spammer. But really, these TV personalities don’t actually know their fans or social networking critics, either, so why would they care? Aren’t they old enough to know that even saints have critics?

    That’s life. Public life–multiply times 1000. They shouldn’t take it personally because in truth, it’s a BUSINESS they’ve entered into with Bravo. They could use some of the honest feedback for personal growth or public relations growth, either one, but anyone who gets upset over garden variety criticism should just get out of the public eye.

    Though I have to say, I can never imagine why these people want to be on these shows. Those who obviously are doing it to promote a “brand” like Bethenny–that makes sense. But those who are financially secure, I don’t get it. Those who are in financial trouble or who have big secrets in their lives…even more surprising, as the closet always gets searched and the skeletons come rattling out. Did they not know that would happen? Or do they not care? I don’t think we have seen them reveal the “reality” of their motives yet. We can guess, though.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Totally agree with you. Some people want the limelight so bad (Danielle!) that they don’t care about all the skeletons that come out. Camille fits this category too.

      Twitter can make a d-list star $ for tweeting about products, vacations, whatever. Doesn’t Kim Kardashian make $1,000 (or more) a tweet? The ho’wives are delusional if they think that they will become as marketable as Kim Kardashian. Bethenny is the only one that has done well with books, tapes, products etc. Makes me wonder why Dina et al waste their time, attracting the crazies & getting absolutely zero out of their twitter nonsense. Is Bravo is encouraging them, or maybe they are all “Bethenny wannabees.”

  25. One thing I should have said, though, is that without the social networking sites and blogs and forums for discussion, the Housewives series would not be half as successful. I can’t tell you how many times I almost quit watching, only to be drawn in by reading the blogs–which are very often far more entertaining than the actual episodes–or seeing a comment on Twitter, etc. I watch the episodes now to enjoy the shared laughs with others over the silly antics of the casts and to laugh over with the bloggers’ comments and recaps. Otherwise, I doubt I’d bother anymore.

    So Lynn, Bravo owes you! And so does Jill Zarin. No doubt she’s bragged many times she has a whole website devoted to hating her.

  26. Wall St Lady says:

    Happy Day !

    Kansas girl
    Ad girl
    Blue sky

    I wanted to thank u again for enlightening me on a heavy topic for me. I had a new mountain top experience that felt really good. So thanks again dear ones.
    I hope I get to return the blessing to u sometime !

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      We seem to enlighten each other on a daily basis! How does NYC look in it’s blanket of snow?

    • klmh says:

      Glad you had a better day. You helped make mine better too. Thanks again.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      You have returned the blessing already, many times over. You are one of the most kind and giving persons I know. And I don’t know who you really are; I just know WSL and love her for the good, good person she is.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Love you WSL & how are you weathering this blizzard? Now the winds are picking up, my driveway is 2 feet deep in drifts, and just about an hour ago, the street got plowed. Not going anywhere today.

    • twoile says:

      @WSL Glad 2 have been helpful & wanted 2 follow up with the name of a gr8 resource Joseph Campbell….just Google etc there is a DVD of a PBS series 6hr in total of Bill Moyers W/ JC ,Wonderful!……of course he has several marvelous books as well. Happy exploring. Take care Jeanne

      • JazzNightOut says:

        Some of the Joseph Campbell PBS series gave me goosebumps, the kind you get when you hear, see, smell, know something is true to the depths of your soul.

    • 2Stupid says:

      WSL, I had a similar experience a few years ago when a relative committed suicide. He was bi-polar and boderline schizpophrenic. As a result he had to be heavily medicated and he did not like. He finally couldn’t take it any more per his note. He said he felt like he lived his live in a haze. I was conflicted about this, due to my faith (Catholic). I spoke with a close friend who was also a priest. He told me the church no longer taught it was a mortal sin, and that, in my relative’s case it was the influence of a disease. I felt like a weight had been lifted from my shoulders. Ignorance is not always bliss! I am glad you had a good experience from learning more about the Catholic religion as I did.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      You’re quite welcome for whatever it was that was enlightening! (Thunder snow, perhaps?)

      Clearly I missed a good discussion and will have to go back and read. We had sunny but cold skies today and a friend phoned me to get out and shop. We were out all day, had middle eastern for lunch and a nice relaxing day. You’ll laugh, as we went to Bed, Bath & Beyond and tried out ALL the massage chairs. It was like a mini vacation.

      I’m feeling for those of you who got lots of snow. We were snowed in last Christmas and what a time it was! WSL, how deep is the snow on your terrrace? Did it all blow off?

  27. Dear WSL,
    Thank-You for the info re: NYC. I would like to apologize for overreacting to your
    initial response to my question. I don’t know what the heck came over me, to respond as I did. I feel like an idiot.
    I hope you have a happy, healthy and prosperous 2011.
    my best,

    @TLD thanks for shaking the marbles in my head and bringing me back to my senses. You are the best.

    sorry for the disruption folks. Hope you know how much you all mean to me.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I would love to be your friend in the real world.

    • American Idiot says:

      Hi Beverly in NJ. Good to see you. How are you doing. How much snow did you get. We got about 24 inches here in Northern NJ.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      My Beverly!
      I haven’t seen you in a few days-how are you making out with the snow?

    • JazzNightOut says:

      I had my head jangled by a few here that I am still very, very grateful to: Blue Sky, Buffywood and TEB. It takes a good soul to grow from mistakes, dear ((((( Beverly in NJ )))))))))))).

      • Buffywood says:


      • Oh, thanks everyone (((((everyone)))))))
        We got about 22″, but hard to tell w/ the drifts. The street plow
        just came, went 1/2 way up the street and turned around and left.
        we live on a steep hill and there is no chance to get up or down w/o a full plowing..my neighbor(w/ his brand new Range Rover)
        went down the hill and that’s where the new truck sits.
        My husband keeps asking me stupid questions(“why did the plow only go 1/2 way up street??) “why did he drive his truck down the street” “why did the truck get stuck?”
        you get my drift. I loooove my husband, but he asks too many questions sometimes. it looks like we’re going to be in the house for another day. I like it when we’re all stuck together in the house, I could keep myself busy for days.
        I wonder is anyone else housebound?

        • quincyillinois says:

          yes, in CT with my daughter and granddaughter… We ususally go to bookstores and eat out, but we have been home for days.

          • Kansas Girl says:

            It begins to seem like a very long time, doesn’t it! I remember last year it felt like I was in the house for years. I’d go out to shovel, just to get outside for a bit.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Hi Beverly, how are you doing dealing with our wonderful blizzard here in NJ? My husband is asking me to find his snowgloves….maybe we will get dug out today. Still not going anywhere, having more fun here!

      Beverly, my favorite hobby is real estate. I check the NY Times for Manhattan condos, & WSL will be the best resource for you too. Use the advanced search on this site. I would go to some open houses, find several realtors to work for you.. shhhh! don’t tell them you are using more than one. I’ve noticed coops are cheaper, but watch out for those monthly charges! There’s a tax abatement on new buildings, for condos. Some day that will change. Maybe you can rent a place for awhile, then it will be easier to do your search if you’re in the city. There’s so much research you can do online. A good realtor will send you listings, with all the info you need. If you know the neighborhood you want, that will make it easier.


      • Hi Blue Sky! Is your street plowed yet? It always amazes me how different towns operate. might as well be in another state.
        Blue Sky, I love real estate too. Thursdays Post section, Fridays Daily News. I never checked out the site you gave but will asap. My biggest problem with going into the city is exactly what you said. Can Not decide on a neighborhood! My husband said yest. that we prob. should lease or rent for a while to get a feel for what
        appeals to us the most. It is amazing that I have looked forward to this stage of my life for so long and now I feel like we’ve hit a brick wall! It sucks all the joy out of it.
        I think you and my hubby are right, might have to rent for a while to get a true feel. when my friend moved she knew exactly what she wanted , found it and now lives it. I envy her only for knowing what she wanted..
        Thanks, Blue sky. xo

        • Blue Sky says:

          Beverly, we finally got our street plowed around 3 pm today. Then we started shoveling, to be able to get our SUV (hybrid, trying to help the environment) out. The darn snowplows left a good 3 feet of snow at the end of the drive, after our wonderful lawn guy had plowed out our driveway (only about half of it). We have huge snow mounds all over, I’ve never seen this much snow! We live in Monmouth County, not far from the ocean. I think we got close to 2 feet of snow, then it drifted…there must be 4 feet on my deck. We then went over to another town (just about 12 miles) to help a friend. She can’t shovel, so we dug out her driveway enough for her to get her car out. The local roads are really bad, it’s not easy to get around.

          It’s my husband’s dream to have a place in NYC. I’m not so keen, but I do have a feeling we just may end up there in a couple of years. We could go anywhere to live, but we’ve been in NJ for so many years (since 1985) that it may be easier to just stay in the NYC area. I love the country, so we will have to have a second place to get away to. I’m ready for a condo. Having a yard, house etc. & all the upkeep is wearing me down.

          I’ve been in real estate in this area since 2001. It has gotten very slow, so I’m not as busy as in prior years.

      • quincyillinois says:

        Bethenny is renting in Soho. I wonder why. She surely knows the city. Maybe, they thought they would like more space because of the baby.

        • Blue Sky says:

          Seems to me she would like to move to LA maybe. NYC is so expensive, you need way over a million to buy a place that is bed bug, rat, & insect free.

  28. Adgirl says:

    I don’t twitter and I don’t blame any of the HW for ignoring or blocking people on twitter. It sounds like an emotional time bomb to me.
    If they knew what was mentally healthy for them they would have their assistant handle their public utterances and reponses in order to have distance between them and the twitterfaceverse.

    While I thought it was dumb for Camille to retract her blog I don’t blame her for not using social networking.
    She is currently in the middle of a very public divorce. All of her activities the public has witnessed on tv so far have been negative so she’s been getting a ration of shit from the public.
    Personally I would have taken the kids to Fiji and unplugged the world if I were in her place. Too public. Too painful.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      She painted herself into a corner – cutting off communication was probably the best course for her at this point. And you are right – she should take the kids and go hang somewhere out of the limelight. It would be great for the kids but it might also do her some good too. A farewell tour of the many houses of Grammer might be in order.

    • klmh says:

      Well said Adgirl.

    • Need a Hobby says:

      Cam’s no little flower shying from public “pain,” rather she’s been working it: she’s conducting her divorce via a public PR campaign, giving interviews for example, on how she “shed a tear, or several” while decorating her Christmas tree, etc.. (Does anyone believe she “hands on” decorated her own Christmas tree? Next she’ll be baking cookies and darning socks, all misty-eyed by the hearth where Tiny Tim rests his crutch. Hah.)

      She expresses herself in a medium & manner she can control, where she can shape the discussion.

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        Totally agree. My MIL’s best friend has $$$ and has someone put up her Christmas lights etc. Camille doesn’t take care of her sick kids how can we believe that she would put up a Christmas tree???

        • TLM says:

          Of course she decorated it. Didn’t you see her hanging the one ornament on tv? LOL.

          I’m sure her “house manager” and other staff have been busy night and day to get everything ready for the big photo op.

          If this woman cared one whit about her kids, she would let them heal and not bring Extra TV into their living room for the holiday. She never met a camera she didn’t like.

      • quincyillinois says:

        I believe that she decorated the tree herself. I think she’s going to be doing a lot of stuff by herself fairly soon. If she doesn’t, she will spend all of her money and will be broke. I don’t believe that Kelsey Grammer’s lawyers failed to protect his interesting over the years. I bet that he was hiding money from Camille for a long long time. This quick divorce was planned too. She files..and suddenly 6 months later it’s over. If he had filed, she would have had more time to manipulate things.

    • JazzNightOut says:

      What a nice take on Camille’s circumstances; made me think. I love to snark about Jill and Kelly; I think they just feed it thru their actions. However, when someone is going thru a life experience I have lived thru, my outlook is different. I try to not forget that I really don’t know these women except for the time I see them on RHs or what they do in the press. For Jill and Kelly, I include the nastiness they perpetuate on Amazon (Jill) and Twitter (Kelly).

      When I heard Jill was blocking even tho I didn’t follow her, I blocked her. Thought she would get around to blocking me in some fashion as I follow Lynn and Ginger Zarin. And wanted to be there first :-). I love being on Twitter for the Lynn and Real(ly) Old Housewife evening show and for Craig Ferguson and the Dalai Lama. I pick and choose who I follow very carefully. I block followers who want to peddle nastiness (have few followers btw). I figured it is my twitter account and I can shape it any way I want.

    • Blue Sky says:

      Yes, with all her money coming in, what the blazes does she need to be on a ho’wife show? Camille, take the $ & run. Enjoy every penny of Kelsey’s money. I’m sure your earned it.

  29. Adgirl says:

    Hey, do you think if you bought a Zarin bed set and mailed the receipt to Jill’s attorney she might unblock you? Don’t forget to return it to BBB.

  30. quincyillinois says:

    So Jill is going to Aruba which is fairly close to the dictatorship once known as Venezuela. The island had a legal system based on the Dutch system, is semi arid, and seems to have streets that look a lot like New Orleans.

    My vacation was to CT where we don’t want to leave the house or get the cars in an accident on the slippery streets. We were lucky though, as our flight is Wed. and the airports that we will visit seem to have good weather forecasts. We aren’t on the phones trying to change reservations either.

    On the trip out, there was a mechanical problem and United would not allow anyone to change our reservations. We stood in long lines 3 times before they said, “OK.”
    To my surprise, we were given 1A and 1B seats with no group boarding numbers. I did not know what group we should board we waited until almost the end. The reason there was no group number was… that was first class. The attendant offered us a drink and I was shocked as the plane had not taken off. I commented that we hadn’t paid for first class and she said that anyone sitting there gets the service. I than said, “Thank you, we weren’t used to being treated this nicely” then everyone in first class began to laugh. The first class people were so nice. They told us that that our coats would be hung up and that we had little pillows and blankets. There were snacks and free drinks, but I just said, “No thank you , to that.” The other first class people told me to go off first too so I could remember that and they all seemed to have a great time helping that grandmother with a really once in a lifetime experience.

    • klmh says:

      What a great story! Tx for sharing.

      • quincyillinois says:

        I’m sure Jill flies first class or on private planes all of the time.

        It’s crazy out there around Christmas, so I am hoping for the best Wed.

        • klmh says:

          My friend was supposed to leave from Boston tomorrow and she couldn’t make another reservation until thurs afternoon. She said she was on the phone 2 1/2 hrs before she could talk with someone. I bet its hell there! Ugh..
          Hope you are ok on wedn.

          • quincyillinois says:

            I think the airports will be cleared this evening, but they have to fit passengers from several days of cancelled flights into the schedule. We will be there early for check in.

            I feel for the people hoping to get on flights. It’s happened to us once in Washington, DC, It took 4 days to get home.

    • Adgirl says:

      OMG you were in the passenger area that got real food??

      • quincyillinois says:

        It was a snack box, but they did not charge for them. I am not into snacks these days. There is extra space and I think the seats were larger. I guess we were the last people to be allowed on this flight so they sat us in their last open seats. So many afternoon flights were overbooked and the standbys were not getting on. We were lucky in several ways.

  31. MickeyMouth says:

    @DedraWhitt has apparently (still not sure it’s her) reopened her twitter account. On Chrsitmas day she tweeted this about one of my chops. Maybe she’s been thinking along the same lines as Lynn.

    • quincyillinois says:

      She has a conversation with someone called twittwitty??? Dedra says that he was in the middle of the affair when the show started…. Tons of secret information there. Why? Why come out with this? I think Camille wants this information out there right now because Kelsey wants to marry that girl asap.

      What power does that 30 year old have over Kelsey? It seems like something must be up ….

      • MickeyMouth says:

        All the links have stayed from when she tweeted with me before the account was canceled so I guess it’s her. But this time around, she’s reaching out to the me and blogs like RCH trying to get a side of the story out and expressing her friendship with all the RHOBH including Kyle. It does seem calculated.

        Youth is a strong appeal to older men. What I now know of Kelsey I don’t find him to be a deep man.

        • quincyillinois says:

          Money and power are attractive to young women. I’m sure she snuggles in his arms and gives him the impression that he needs to take care of her. Camille has grown strong and independent. Kelsey wants something else right now.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            hmmm…good point. now I know what to do to attract Mr Wrong.

            • quincyillinois says:

              Men are so easily manipulated one more. I know how to do it and you do too. You watch them and observe for a while, then pounce. Almost any man can be controlled by a woman. The marriages fail when the men realized that they were trapped and manipulated, but that takes a few years. No man or woman are who they seem to be when dating. We are who we decide we are. That is the truth.

          • AZ Girl says:

            I think you are absolutely right on with the first two sentences. As for Camille growing strong and independent I don’t agree. I think Kelsey sobered up and took a good look at what he was married too. A vapid, shallow, gold digger.

      • AZ Girl says:

        I definitely think that Dede and Camille are on a PR campaign to improve her stance in the divorce. The divorce has now hit the “he said” “he did” “she said” “she did” stage and it is a waste of time in terms of the litigation. No one wins this game (except the attorneys because they charge by the hour). Kelsey knows this and that is why he has petitioned to expedite the divorce.
        When the divorce drags on both parties look bad. They should opt for mediation, draw the line in the sand on the finances, get it done and move on.

    • klmh says:

      You do great work! Loved the NeNeisms too.

      • MickeyMouth says:

        Thanks for the comment 🙂

        • quincyillinois says:

          Thanks also for this link. Very interesting. Something is up with Camille and Dedra is doing the heavy lifting.

          I wonder if Camille yelled at him or tried to get him to come back home when she found out.

          • vilzvet says:

            Ugh, IMO Dede the hairdresser/friend was bad news from the first time we saw her, a true “yes man” to Camille who was the person time and time again who kept telling viewers how EVERYONE has been jealous of Camille since Day 1. Just rewatched the real estate/Mauricio conversation again where Camille was talking to Nick and it was Dede who said, “WAS your real-a-tor, hahaha!” She’s nothing but a troublemaker and seedplanter.

            • MickeyMouth says:

              She agrees with you:

              I find her tweets fascinating. Is it realization or PR?

              • quincyillinois says:

                I think it’s PR… but why does Dedra need PR… It has to be for Camille. Camille must want this information out. If Camille didn’t want this out, Dedra would not be talking to us.

                • vilzvet says:

                  Now she’s playing who me?? Guess when she’s doing Camille’s hair she’s not aware of what’s coming out of her mouth!

                • BessiB says:

                  Because she would probably like to have some clients in B.H, and Kyle (and the other women) seems to be popular. She has hooked her wagon to Camille, and has realized it would be better to have options.

                  I think it is something like this that Maurice referred to when he mentioned “clients” in the conversation with Kyle. He referred to it being a small town – word gets around, and you do not want chit-chat to influence whether or not people would give you opportunities.

    • TLM says:

      How did you post this in the thread? I would like to post PDF items but can’t seem to figure out how…

  32. HD says:

    As for Kyle’s husband when they were going out to eat I think that was for business. I thought he knew that woman he was speaking with.
    As for his reaction to Kyle about the fight, I didn’t like it. Business is one thing, my wife\husband is another.
    I am sure Kelsy is not his only client. I would support my spouse especially if they were not wrong.
    Business comes and goes and in his it really goes but their relationship seemingly is forever. (Who knows on these shows)

    As for Mario eyeing that woman, I have always thought he cheated. Not sure why but my gut tells me he does.

    • quincyillinois says:

      Mario seems like the type to me too. I think Ramona wanted the renewal as she is scared like so many women my age. A public commitment seems like a contract renewal.

      Sometimes the guys that you suspect are really doing it. I have a couple of recent instances in mind right now. Out of the blue, one would say he would never do that and he was already doing it.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Mauricio is a flirty pants, but I took it as a business move. I used to date a quasi famous hairstylist- who was straight- who was gorgeous- and who LOVED women, but was faithful to me for as long as we were together. (yes, I had everybody and their sister spying on him) He acted just like Mauricio did when walking by the resturant.

      Now, I’ve also been cheated on by a handsome heart breaker – sort of like Mario. BUT Mario was checking out women IN FRONT of Romona, so I took as- just because you’re on a diet doesn’t mean you can’t look at the menu-?

      Although, I’m finding the older I get, the more I realize how naive I am. So jury is out on Mr. Hunk a Hunk a Burnin Love Mario…we’ll have to keep our eye on him.

  33. Sparkles says:

    I was reading this old story about Kim Z. (hey, she ASKED us to Google her) and thought the comments were interesting. One person claims to know Kim’s ex-husband and says he is broke, spent time in jail, and is the father of only one of Kim’s girls. http://durangotv.blogspot.com/2008/11/photo-of-lee-najjar-atlanta-housewife.html

  34. TrueLifeDiva says:

    @Beverly in New Jersey, I got your back girl ;-). When I saw your post that night I immediately jumped on my BB and scrolled until my thumb was sore! I knew exactly where you were coming from. It’s like pointing to a beautiful necklace in the display case and telling the salegirl you want to buy it only to have that salesgirl announce the price out loud as if you couldn’t possibly afford it. And then when you hand her your charge card she tells you you can’t return it and pauses as if you will now change your mind. And after you buy the damn necklace you no longer feel pretty wearing it because you just gave that witch a fat commission on the sale. It’s funny what can trigger emotions in people. I knew why your feelings were hurt. I knew WSL wasn’t trying to insult you. There was no way I could let you leave without attempting to mediate. I’m glad you listened to me. We all have our faults and weaknesses. But overall the folks on this board are good people. Glad to have you back with us.

    • quincyillinois says:

      Bev, starting the first week in Jan., HGTV, has “Selling NY.” It features several real estate companies that sell in NYC. I really enjoy that show. Sometimes they have older homes that groups buy and make really fantastic condos with the most wonderful kitchens. I think Bravo is bringing the family Six design (?) back too. They showed a lot of houses in the downtown of Manhattan and along the Hudson that looked interesting.

      • “I jumped on my BB and scrolled until my thumb was sore!”
        @TLD you genuinely make me laugh. As soon as i saw your post that day i knew I had to re-align my thought process. I’m sorry about your thumb, though.
        I’m so glad to have you as a friend, 🙂

        • Quincy, I love that show!! They’ve been showing the repeats recently and I rewatch them all. just like the Housewives.
          how is that? I cannot watch a movie twice, but I swear I’ve seen every episode of every Housewives at least
          five times??

  35. SoutheastVA says:

    I think it’s a sign of personal and media immaturity to block un-offensive followers. BTW, we got 12 to 14 inches of snow in southeastern VA. This is unheard of especially in December.

  36. boston02127 says:

    Kelly’s tweet: Come jump into the ocean with me for charity on jan 1. Main beach, eh. 1pm http://yfrog.com/gyieokmj

  37. Adgirl says:

    So I really can’t figure out how you guys got dirt on Grammers from those tweets. I tried reading them and the linking ones but they are hard to follow.

    Can someone send me a copy of the Rosetta Stone to translate? Or even better can you copy and paste here the juicy parts?

    • JazzNightOut says:

      Yes, copy and paste for those of us who choose not to follow but want the dirt. (That may be only me btw.)

    • quincyillinois says:

      Take the lit up @ twitt..something links on the first page… All of Dedra’s words are at the other site….

    • HD says:

      I am cracking up at the Rosetta Stone line. LOL! I am the same way. I don’t understand tweets to save my life. Once all the @ symbols get going I am beyond lost.

  38. @tweatcyn says:

    When I first came on the twitterverse, my first celebs I followed were Alex and Simon. I had never tweeted anything negative about Jill or Kelly when I tried to follow them. I wasn’t even following Lynn at the time. Nevertheless, I was auto blocked by both of them, simply for the sin of following SILEX, her arch enemies. Go figure. Needless to say, my tweets about them have not been very kind since. #ItsJillZarinsFault.

  39. Cusi77 says:

    Happy Holydays from Acapulco, Mexico!

    I have been lurking a couple of times- wanting to answer! I did not know how to put my Email.

    Thank you Lynn for your hard work and perseverance, creating such a great loving place where we congragate. Thanks Terry! Thank you Quincy! Love-xoxo!

    Counting my Blessings in 2010, one of great importance was finding Lynn Hudson and everyone here. I thank you for your patience understanding me, for your great sense of humor, links, all kind of information, loving caring and compassionate support from one another.

    I extend my cyber arms to give to all an everyone of you one cyber (((((((((((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))))))))))

    Love and happiness in 2011, Thanking God for the Ones who went to HIS encounter and the new ones that enter our lives!


    • AZ Girl says:

      Safe travels Cusi! Feliz Navidad and Happy New Years to you and your family.

      • Cusi77 says:

        Thank you AZ! I have been enjoying my two granddaughters – most of the time while playing with the sand at the beach…. they are adorable! We write our names: Frida and Cusi, then Dany and Cusi, a huge heart … and… run! because the wave is taking everything away!

        But I keep reading the Blogs! I miss you girls and -error!

    • California35 says:

      Wow – From Acapulco!!!
      Nice of you to write – keep enjoying the sun and your family 🙂

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Good to hear from you and that you are having a great time with your granddaughters! We’ve missed you!

    • OneMoreInBoston says:


      be safe- hurry home- miss u

  40. Wall St Lady says:

    AZ Girl says:

    December 27, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Personally I think all men are
    Hypnotized by their pe pe

    I couldn’t agree more.
    When I am talking to the boys
    I ask :
    “Which head you thinking w/Boo ?
    Yo big head or yo
    Little head ?”

    Most think with they
    little head.

  41. Wall St Lady says:

    I watched Kyle on a U tube interview.
    They discussed the HW divorce curse.
    Kyle was cute.
    She said if her husband left her, she would leave with him.

  42. twoile says:

    @TLM Tx 4 the E-bay info I’ll give it a try:0)

  43. California35 says:

    Is Dedra DD? Camille’s friend? I’m a bit lost…

    • vilzvet says:

      Yes I just posted upthread my thoughts how I think Dede feeds a lot of crap into Camille’s head.

    • quincyillinois says:

      yes, it’s the hairdresser/best friend/ travel companion of Camille. She sounds very nice and very normal on twitter. Since, I have been one of the people who recorded her exact comment on Bravo, I have some questions, but I am not going on twitter to ask her. She claims that Camille is so nice and that we would like her in real life. The producer of the BH RH series said that he likes Camille, but he is a guy and Camille knows how to make guys like her.

      I don’t know what to think about all of this. My first impression is, my goodness, she’s so nice… My second thought is why and why now? DD also said that the medium is a nice person That is so counter intuitive that I have to reject that concept out right.

      PR people really know how to manipulate us. I’m sure that Camille has people working over time.

      Just a reminder, DD said that Kyle was pathetic. She smiled when Allison was destroying Kyle. She added to the conversation in negative ways during the fight.

      I think Dedra is very intelligent. She’s stuck being Camille’s servant, but that could be the economic times. I think she was a part of the planning for that dinner. She was in the closet when Camille made nasty comments.

      Hmmmmm…. No… I don’t trust Dedra… Sorry… Something is wrong.

      • AZ Girl says:

        Yes, I agree…is she using Camille as a step ladder to better things?

        • quincyillinois says:

          I don’t know. I think it may be a way of sharing information that Camille wants out there too. If Dedra is truly an insider why say those things about Kelsey? I have had friends going through divorces and they never wanted their information shared with other friends much less all of North America.

          • quincyillinois says:

            There is no simple or easy divorce. That just never happens. Kelsey Grammer has a screw loose if he thinks this is going to be amicable.

            • California35 says:

              Thank you all, I somehow missed a few of the posts that would have explained who that person was. Unless she truly changes or leaves La Camille, I wouldn’t like or trust her. We all saw her on TV, feeding Camille and agreeing with her. Because she is grateful or a friend, either way…she didn’t help matters.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            Maybe DD is trying to break free and start her own deal-io?

            Sort of like when Jessica Simpson’s assistant was trying to get her own show?

            She seems smarter than Camille, and maybe now that she has a taste of the limelight she wants it for herself.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      DD is smart enough to know who butter’s her bread – as far as a friend goes…telling someone only what they want to hear is not what a real friend would do. She agrees with Camille because a happy Camille is her job. It would be hard to trust what she says or does knowing what her job really is!

      • vilzvet says:

        I agree Quincy and also DD is damn lucky to get enough screen time as she has, she is boring and for a hairdresser needs to do something with her own hair for TV, lol. No way on earth would she ever warrant her own show. This is all just to help Camille with her divorce I think.

  44. buffywood says:

    Over the years I had put together a list of things I do each year to make my life a little easier/stress free. I use to share some of these in my company’s employee newsletter so I thought I would share a few here as well.

    Tips for the New Year

    Take pictures or videos of every room in your house. Try to capture everything in the room and this includes opening cabinets, jewelry boxes, and closets. Store these digital images offsite. In the event of a fire or catastrophic event at your house you have a complete record of all of your belongings.

    Review any medical expenses from the past year and think about any future plans and adjust your FSA deduction accordingly.

    Make any additional charitable donations or IRA and Tap contributions. If do make non-cash donations (clothing, household good, etc.) take a picture of the items and make a list. You can then determine their FMV using an on-line product like itsdeductible.com.

    Make a copy/scan of everything in your wallet, both front and back.

    Back up all of your cell phone contacts.

    Back up your computer to either an offsite server or to a disk to store offsite.

    Change the batteries on your smoke detectors.

    Check the millage on your car. You may be missing out on the low millage deduction with your car insurance.

    Do you have any big purchases planned in the New Year? Review the calendar to see which two months you will get a 3rd paycheck (if this applies) as it may help you time your purchases.

    Did you have any big life events such as the birth of a child or grandchild? You may want to review the beneficiaries of any life insurance policies or investment accounts.

    Did you get a new credit card number or new expiration date? As you are updating this information on the various on-line sites you may want to consider updating your password as well.

    • TEB says:

      You’re pretty smart for an ODU girl 🙂 Too funny that I do all the same things. Interesting how all my ODU friends have made such a success of their life (unlike some of those who went to ‘better’ schools! and thought ODU was low)

      • buffywood says:

        ODU? Oh yea, that’s right… that was the name of the school across Hampton Blvd from the bars I went to!

        Yes, I can say that ODU definitely served me well.

        • TEB says:

          Hilarious!! Elbow Room, 4400, Friar Tuck’s. I was served well too (sometimes I was over-served…) Remember when it was important to figure out who was a ‘squid’ or a ‘seal’??

          • buffywood says:

            OMG! My freshman year we went to Tech to the VA Tech Navy football game and I had never heard the term squid before. Me being loud to start with plus a little drunk said “Squid, what’s a squid?”. Needless to say a small fight started to break out. Once I pleaded my ignorance, apologized, and made it clear I was cheering for Navy (an ex boyfriend was playing) all was right with the world. As for Seals I worked at Little Creek Marina and we had a lot of them that were Live a Boards… great guys. A little strange at times, but great guys. Oh, the stories I could tell.

        • TEB says:

          I SWEAR we must have had cocktails together in person!!

    • California35 says:

      Thanks Buffy, those really good tips.

  45. AZ Girl says:

    @QuincyIl. I think you got it nailed about DeDe leaking info that Camille wants out in cyberland. Camille thinks this will help her but as I posted up stream this “he said” “she said” part of the divorce just hurts both parties. Only winners are the attorneys who bill by the hour. Judges’ hate this stuff. Slows down the judicial system. Like I mentioned up stream they should both bury the hatchet and get a mediator. Draw the line in the sand and get it done. Media will eat them both alive.

    • quincyillinois says:

      My dream job… divorce attorney for Kelsey Grammer… every few years… infusion of megafunds into my bank account.

      • AZ Girl says:

        I have two friends that practice law. One practices criminal law and the other practices divorce/family law. Guess who is packing “heat” in their desk at their office? Not the criminal attorney. HA!!!

  46. Wall St Lady says:

    Joseph Campbell. Got it. Thanks.

    Cussi 77
    Good to see you

    No biggie. We all occasionally bang our pinky toe & shriek in pain cuz it hurts like hell !
    I am also sorry my “corny” humor,
    fell flat !

  47. SoutheastVA says:

    Buffywood and TEB,

    I went to ODU too. Go Monarchs!

    • Buffywood says:

      Omg you are kidding? What years?

      • SoutheastVA says:

        I started in 1987 took a few detours (i.e., started family, early career track) and finished 1993.

    • TEB says:

      I almost replied to your earlier post about snow (but I can’t stay on the board as long as I want b/c of young kids). Welcome SEVA and I hope you enjoyed your blizzard 🙂 Go Monarchs! and now FOOTBALL??

      • SoutheastVA says:

        I understand. I had to get off esterday evening to play the PS3 Move with my kids. I love that the fact that Football has returned. I’ve been to a couple games. It was a great feeling.

    • TEB says:

      I was a Gresham girl. Bigger rooms and more parking. “-)

  48. jessie says:

    Happy Holidays to all. I have been here I think since the beginning (after strega banned me) and I feel like I know so many of you. The postings are a great glimpse into so many lives.

    Anyway, I am 31 and was married to a great guy for ten years (yea I got married YOUNG). we tried and didnt have kids. My whole life was I thought in prep for kids.. it just didnt happen for us. unfort he more a best friend than a husband and I ended up meeting someone a few years ago and after alot of confusion I decided to leave the hubby. he agreed with me and was actually on one of those damn dating websites! but it was a “guilt” reliever for me. we both were over the marriage (sometimes that’s what happens when you marry at 19).

    Now I am with the new guy (and funnily enough due to money issues my ex-husband lives with my boyfriend and me and they are like best buds) and we still can’t have kids. I’ve seen some talk here of women who just for one reason or another never had children. My question is how to tell your family or friends that keep HARPING on you about kids. i would die to have a child, but i think i’m getting older and it just won’t be happening. People don’t seem to realize that it is not a choice sometimes and to lay off. Instead I’m constantly dealing with people almost attacking me about it. I have no medical reason why. My doctors don’t have any cause. I just have never gotten pregnant.

    I think I am starting to come to terms with never having kids. It dosent make it easier and luckily my boyfriend understands and is someone I can talk to about it, but it honestly is so hard and i feel so alone about it. i have a best friend that uses abortion as a pregnancy solver (9 SINCE high school) method and it hurts. everytime she says she is pregnant (and honestly everyone I know who gets pregnant) it seems like something gets ripped away from me. I love kids and am very close to my friends children, but it does not change the feelings of resentment and jealousy everytime someone is having a baby.

    So…How do you move on and make a life when all you thought your life would be can’t happen? How do you tell your mother (who wants nothing more than grandchildren) that you just don’t think it will happen?) How do you not hate people having kids when they suck? How do you just build a life that is missing a key ingredient you thought you would have?

    And at what age do you finally give up your dream of having that family?

    • klmh says:

      Hi Jessie. My husband and I don’t have children and adoption wasn’t an option for me. We would have loved to have had them, but it didn’t happen and I was lucky enough to have relatives that understood sometimes things don’t work out. I have been asked by new acquaintances why we don’t have children and I simply said I couldn’t have them. That statement ends that topic of conversation.
      Im sorry your family is giving you grief about this, but shouldn’t your first concern be marriage to the boyfriend? If and when that happens, then you can address the child issue if you want but at this time, you have the best excuse in the world.
      If you feel so strongly about having children you have many options, in vitro, adoption, hormonal injections, etc., but if you decide not to have them, its your call. Coming to terms with your feelings is something only you can work out Im afraid, but you have the support of your bf at this stage in your life. Time passes, life goes on, and you come to terms with your decision. With the last paragraph you wrote, you have some difficult questions to answer. If you have a priest or minister to talk with, maybe that could help. You might want to talk with a counselor or there might be a website and blog that might address these issues. There are no easy answers. And to address your last question, I suppose when you end up having a hysterectomy or become menopausal at 50, you realize your dream of having a child will not be fulfilled.

    • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

      Can you adopt a child?

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      @klmh- wrote you a wonderful and thoughtful response. As someone who was told when I was 17 that I would never conceive- I feel you. And I wish at that time I had someone like @klmh tell me what she just told you.

      What I did to deal with this:

      -realized that I am more than a uterus. I have a lot of love to give, and if it can’t be to my own biological child- then it will be to my friend’s kids or my pets. As the wise WSL once wrote- I am the best auntie any kid could ever have – or something like that.

      -I have considered adoption, but became a Big Sister instead to “try” it out. OK that was enough for me. Maybe there’s a reason that I can’t have kids (just speaking for myself) because they exhaust me.

      – Your family loves you. maybe it’s time to have a frank discussion with your mother and other close relatives as in- I’m trying- but lighten up already.

      -When strangers or distant relatives ask me, I usually ask them why they’re asking. And then I say in the sweetest, most sing song voice, with the fakest smile I can muster “and that’s your concern, why?” It pretty much stops them in their tracks.

      – sometimes real jerks persist and I find that by saying the word “teensy” somehow in a sentence they stop. I swear- I don’t understand it but it always gets them to stop. As in:

      “I’ve had a teensy bit of a problem conceiving- why do you ask?”
      “and that’s your concern how?”

      “it sounded just a teensy bit like you were asking me a very personal question- why do you ask?”
      “and that’s your concern how?”

      “I’m in a teensy bit of a bad mood right now, so sorry- but why do you ask?”
      “and that’s your concern how?”

      And with all due respect to you- maybe that’s a question you can ask yourself in regards to other people’s children: how is it your concern that they suck and also have kids? As someone who lives it every day- it IS frustrating but simply not my or your business.

      Your last paragraph broke my heart- I feel your pain-believe me. We all have our own journeys and our own roads to take. I have no other words of wisdom for you.

      my mother used to say: God only gives you a cross heavy enough for you to bear. If your “cross” becomes too heavy for you, then maybe it’s time to look into other options.

      I am thinking of you and sending you love…

      • Cusi77 says:

        OneMore= Why I did not meet you after my only son was born? The way you answer to people is JUST pefect!

        When my son was born – a week later- I had a very bad abdominal infection, after several surgeries I had total hysterctomy. I was older than you, I was 23. I know… the difference between 0 and 1 is abysmal! But I was young and dumb and though that I was not a woman anymore… ugly people not important to me kept asking for my second chld (WTF!) I did not wanted them to know I did not have uterus…

        One day -several years later- I just say IT! “I do not have uterus, but I am thankful for the one son I have” I saw how I scared them the heck! People stop asking. I regret I did not know how to answer like you do! Love you so much (((((OneMore))))).

        OT- Lets celebrate TLD and OneMore in Vegas!!!!!!!!!

      • klmh says:


        Well said. I hope we’ve been able to help her.

  49. TEB says:

    Sorry Buffy and Southeast VA- would LOVE to post but I’ve got an almost 2yr old with a yucky poop. Can’t wait to catch up again!!

  50. California35 says:

    Hi Jessie,
    I am in my 30’s and have not have children either, went through some things like you. I was sad for not having children or having someone special to have them with. Later I though it was for the best, because I have not been in a situation when I can have children. In was too busy with work and paying bills and alone to eve
    N think of children, yet my family was always on my case about it. I couldn’t afford to have children, I didn’t have a boyfriend, and i always thought I was still not ready for neither one. With time, hard work and struggles, I gain some comfortable living. Around that time I meet this nice guy, who was going through a divorce and had no intentions of getting married ever again, or have children since he already has two. I liked that he was sincere, and since that I wasn’t even thinking about children then I began a relationship with him. I don’t regret it, I love him and he loves me.. After a while and some getting used to (we both had some issues to work out) we got engaged. That is when it hit me, if I marry him there is NO WAY I will have children. That is when I freaked out. I was constantly thinking about it, ad worried too much, that we ended up braking up. I was devastated when we were apart. It turned out that he was too, and after six long months, we got back together. During those months, I kept thinking how come I freaked out, since I had already come to terms to not being a mother. I had for a long time. I thought I couldn’t possible be a mother, that if only if I was with someone who absolutely wanted them and had a father type of personality, because I would need a lot of help (a story for another day). So, if the only reason keeping me away from my BF was not have children, then I would come back to him. The thing is that he tells me now that if I really want to have a child, we could figure something out, but I am not ready.

    I don’t know if this helped you at all. I have been noticing that this “era” there more woman with no children who seem more than ok with that. My family and some people around me still say something, and I rather not tell them anything any more. Less people say things to me, and I ignore it when I hear it. I am happy with my life. All that matter is what makes me happy – it took me a loooooong time to figure that out and to be ok with it. Everyone has their own life, and they live it the way they want to. We all do what we can, we all try to have a good life. My BF and I are happy. There are a few ladies in this blog who don’t have children, and I am actually looking forward to hearing from them.

    • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

      I don’t have children~I will be 52 in march & have not had a period in around 8 months. I wish I had them sometimes but things were never right time or right place or right person.
      California a lot of people here in KY ask me why I don’t have children still.

      • vilzvet says:

        Well. no one should ever ask that question! Hope you always have a good response, sheesh! My wonderful sister was never able to have a child, she had one miscarriage and some fertility treatments, and I do regret that a few months before that I had my tubes tied. I think I would have carried a child for her, although we never did have that conversation.

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          ladies – I commented up thread- try some of my comebacks if you’d like- they always work for me.

  51. JazzNightOut says:

    AdGirl: Saw Mike Singleterry has gone bye-bye. Packers still in it, but they meet Lynn’s Bears this weekend.

    • Adgirl says:

      Yeah big Mike got the boot. Personally I think all major league sports should have the right to force a sale if a team is consistent loser. It’s incompetent or greedy ownership that won’t put in money to build a quality team.

      My daughter is a huge Bears fan.
      Last Christmas I gave her a license plate frame that says
      “This Car Belongs to Mrs Brian Erlacher”. It was her favorite gift.

  52. Wall St Lady says:

    Now I am old enough, that people have stopped asking me about my lack of babies.
    In the past
    In the past when some one would ask what I considered to b an inappropriate ? about kids , I didn’t answer but I would return the favor, by asking an equally. Inappropriate ?.
    *Gosh are u pregnant ?
    *How old r u ? Can u still have children
    *Does your husband want more kids
    *Have u gained weight ?
    *Did u know u have a big black hair on your chin.
    Last u can just say
    F#*k off ! or more lady like:
    Go take a long walk
    Off a short bridge.

    • California35 says:

      I like your way WSL 🙂

      • California35 says:

        There are still a few out there who like you said, make inappropriate questions or comments. I try to be polite and get out of it, but why shoukdi be polite if they are not? 😛 lol

        • klmh says:

          I didn’t feel threatened or embarrassed about my inability to have children, so I didn’t become aggressive, but I also tried to look past the inappropriateness of the question. I suppose people expected us to have children because of my husband’s profession though…

          • quincyillinois says:

            There have always been women that did not have children. Jane Austen tells us about many of them in her era. I’m sure all of us have friends and family members without children. From a science standpoint, I worry about some of the things doctors do to women to try and help them have babies also. It seems unfair that some people have children so easily and they are bad moms when potential great moms did not have the chance. I know WSL is a grandmother and that all of you love your nieces and nephews or the children of close friends. I wish I had a magic wand.

            • I wish you had a magic wand, too. You would be one of the few people on this planet that would use it wisely, one of the few people who could be trusted to do the right thing. One of the few people who would not blow it.

            • klmh says:

              But that’s the point. Life is not fair. It was such a hard lesson to learn and you can hear it over and over again, but until you live it, you can’t understand it.

              • OneMoreInBoston says:

                harsh but true. Life is not fair, and sometimes really sucks.

                The time that your character comes out is not when things are hunky dory but when things are tough.

                That is the mark of a “true lady” in my opinion, one that handles the bad with as much grace as the good.

              • quincyillinois says:

                Life is not fair and it breaks my heart.

      • twoile says:

        OT but close, a family friend adopted a child & also gave birth to one….& as ppl do some if not many would ask which one was the adopted child……her response after a suitable pause was always “I can’t remember”……..I thought she was fantastic!!!!!!!!

  53. California35 says:

    Okay everyone, it was nice as always. I go back to work tomorrow, and need to go to sleep. Wishing you a good night. I will check in tomorrow.

    BTW – In looked at Bravo listings for this week. It shows MM as new, but not the BHHW. Is that correct?

  54. Adgirl says:

    California35 hope work is slow for you tomorrow so you can acclimate!
    WSL – you crack me up “Have U Gained Weight?”
    “Did u know u have a big black hair on your chin?” Recently my friend had the best sales day of her career. She felt in command of the facts and that people really responded to her. She knew she could really make a lot of money. Later that same day her brother exclamied “Hey, did you know that you have a giant black hair growing right here?” and he pointed right at her chin. “Here!”
    LOL. That broke her spirit for a few days.

    I always carry tweezers in my car – that’s where I always spot those rascals!

  55. quincyillinois says:

    Ha…It’s 3 AM eastern and there was a promo for the bad boys of realestate…Maurico…Kyle’s husband was hugging a bad boy…. It must be a mega deal. I am sure of this as I stopped it to look. Mauricio has a 5 oclock shadow..

    I think Mauricio likes being on tv so it’s not going to harm their marriage.

    Have you noticed how many of the reality stars had something to do with real estate?
    It must have something to do with the personalities of people who sell for a living.

    • klmh says:

      That mixed with making a bucket load of money before 2008 and seeing and feeling the after effects of the recession. This also gets their faces out there for business opportunities possibly in the future.

  56. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    good morning

  57. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    I hope this works~http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKdngIhCMZE
    Happy New Year Everyone!

  58. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

  59. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    I did it~yeah~finally figured it out~enjoy~it is too funny~

  60. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    For those with Birthdays Today!

  61. Had Enough! says:

    Brace yourself, people. Our pet moron is going to do a polar bear plunge for charity. Bikini picture sure to follow.

    • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

      Maybe she won’t come back out? lol
      Or an animal will get even with her for killing & wearing their furry cousins..

    • quincyillinois says:

      I am close enough to have gone over there, but I chose to have a second cup of coffee and watch “The Prince of Tides.” There is something about intellectual movies from NYC that I never see in Jill. It’s the language of genius. It doesn’t matter if there is an accent….there are thoughts and emotions shared through words. It’s sad that Jill lives in such a great place and she does not relish the arts and music.

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        When people ask me here what I miss most about nyc it is the museums~parks~public transportation. Concerts & people who don’t care what my personal beliefs are. They just accept them as I do.

        • quincyillinois says:

          I lived in Chicago, but I had to pay for my own education and living so I never had a penny for extras. I wish I had been able to enjoy the city more back then.

          • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

            My first husband was a lawyer & we lived in Long Island & had a home in hunter mountain.
            We were very lucky to live on a canal in Freeport with a nice boat docked right out our back door.
            Manhattan was only 45 minutes away.
            But that was in 1982 to 1993 when he died of liver cancer.

        • neroes says:

          I grew up on Long Island and worked in NYC as a bookkeeper on 5th and Madison. I miss the energy of the city, pretzels, the smell of chestnuts roasting. I also miss the windows at Christmas, the tree and the angels. I live in Fl. now but my heart is always in NY.

    • vilzvet says:

      Hahah, HE, I posted before I read your thoughts! When Kelly can combine “charity” and showing off, it’s a slam dunk. Main Beach/East Hampton on January 1st would normally be a ghost town by the way.

    • BessiB says:

      I bet she is a no-show.

  62. skogsstig says:

    Good morning 🙂
    1. I know this is off topic, but I couldn’t help thinking of Phaedra, when reading this article about the risks of induced, early deliveries. Kim Z was more right than she knew…

    2. To those of the wonderful women here who for various reasons are not mothers:
    Giving birth does not define your “worth” as a human being, nor is it the only/best/most important way in giving what a mother gives to a child/children. As an urban educator, now retired, I have seen the effects of the unconditional love, caring and support of women as aunts and grandmothers (both kin and “adopted”), foster mothers, big sisters/Big Sisters, church members, volunteers, tutors and more…. can have on the lives of children. Those women are unsung heroes. They have made/make an enormous difference in the lives of the children, both in terms of their education and their emotional and physical well being. I never felt I could thank them enough. I know from speaking with some of these women that they have received much in return. I know from working with the children that they look at these women as their “other mothers.”
    So, take heart. If the spirit moves you, and if you choose to, there are some alternative, vital ways to share yourself with children.

    • California35 says:

      🙂 Thanks for that Skogsstig. I feel a bit like the character Meg Ryan played on the movie “Prelude to a Kiss” some times…but I also just saw on the Sex and the City 2 – Carry and Mr Big.

      If some day, there is a reason or a feeling for me to have a child…there are so many children who can be adopted. Also, I have nieces and nephews and I enjoy the times I spend with them. My family has so many issues (like many, I am sure) that someone made coments about my spending time or giving things to their kids. I was so hurt, nothing disturbing, but sad to hear…stuff like since I don’t have my own, I want theirs…on another times, I hear how much help they need though. Any ways, so I do keep my distance and then hear stuff about that also. sigh… wow there are issues there….sorry. As I said, there are plenty of those in my family. I keep my distance for a reason…and I try to have a peacefull life with none of that in my life, when I visit I enjoy the time with them docking any negative coments tours me when there are any.

      My point about all of this I guess, is that I just need to live my life as best as I can, and I work hard for what I have even if it takes me a while, I deal with my issues or my concerns on my own time. WOW! once again, thanks to all for listening….send me the bill 😛 lol

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        the bill comes to:

        1 hilarious cat video per week.

      • quincyillinois says:

        I saw “Sex and the City 2” recently. Dish had a contest with a free trip to NYC, so I bought the movie. LOL… It was weird that Carry and Mr. Big had made the decision not to have children because they didn’t seem comfortable with that decision. I think it was his decision because Carrie Bradshaw always wanted children. I guess he didn’t want to change his lifestyle.

  63. vilzvet says:

    The polar bear people, even though it’s for charity, are idiots! Do something else for charity. Who on earth goes into the freezing New York water in the winter? Sorry, that always drives me crazy. There are also polar bear clubs here that just do it “for fun”! Insanity. The only reason Kelly is doing it is she’s going to wear a bathing suit, and she thinks she’s the bomb in a suit.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I think it’s great that Kelly is exposing her digits to frost bite for the sake of a charity. This is why we in IL gave her the award for being most charitable when she was a teenager. It’s the self sacrifice for the needs of others that impresses me and makes me want to buy her another trophy for this act. When she told us that she donated two boxes of cheerioes and that we should follow her example, I did want to give food to a food bank. Of course, my donation was a number of prepared bags that the food bank had requested, but cheerioes might have been in those bags. I didn’t look because they were sealed.

      I often think of Kelly while I walk and see road kill that could easily be transformed into her fur accessories or feather jewelry.

      In a way, Kelly Bensimon has helped all of us think about caring for others and actually act to give more than she gives.

  64. AZ Girl says:

    @OMIB I finally was able to catch up on HWOBH last night. You are correct about Mauricio. He is a flirt but it is part of the job. Real estate market in the price range that Mauricio works is dead. He probably has not had a commission in quite some time.
    As for Camille and the party, the divorce had not been filed yet and smoothing things over with Camille may have been a good business move. In reality Mauricio probably only has dealt with Kelsey and Kelsey alone on the real estate transactions. I find him very charming. Love how Kyle is so confident in her marriage that she does not worry about the flirting.

    • quincyillinois says:

      I think that is true. Kyle is secure and Mauricio makes her feel that way. If he leaves, she is going with him. That is true love. It is something that Kelsey Grammer is incapable of sharing because no woman feels safe with him.

      • AZ Girl says:

        I wonder if this time is the charm and Kelsey finally listens to his attorneys and gets a pre-nup? Why do I have this feeling that Kelsey is going to end up like Ed McMahon? All the money Ed made from The Tonight Show and Publishers’ Clearing House ads and he died broke and married to his “10th” wife.

  65. HD says:

    Did ya’ll see that Camille could walk away from the divorce with 50 MILLION dollars?!! (Sorry if this has been discussed)

    • vilzvet says:

      Yes, that number sounds about right! That’s got to be half of his net worth, much of it tied up in real estate. Didn’t Harrison Ford’s wife or was it Kevin Costner’s get around 100 million!? Can’t even image what Steven Spielberg’s ex got….

      • HD says:

        For the life of me I don’t know why these men marry without a pre-nup. The way marriages are going these days only a fool would not have one when he/she has that much money. I love the thought of love but I’m a realist too.

        • Had Enough! says:

          I want to point out something about this claim that the soon-to-be-Ex-Mrs.KG was responsible for getting Mr. Creep Supreme on his feet. First, she was a hooker. More likely she got him on his back (oh, I slay myself sometimes!). No seriously. They met in 1996. Where exactly was Mr. Creep Supreme back then and what was he doing? Well, he was busy winning a Golden Globe for Frasier. In fact, it looks like he was starring in Frasier from 1994-2004. While he apparently had substance abuse problems during that time, he wasn’t exactly down-and-out, now was he? He obviously managed to get up and go to work every day, and to keep his job and do it well (five Emmys, two Golden Globes). Oh, and coincidentally, he did Betty Ford in 1996, but not because of Camille. He did it because he flipped his car in a drunk driving incident.

          Oh, now this is rich. From a 2005 blog written by an Irish reporter:

          And, by the way, he says, his wife never posed nude for a girly magazine. “This is very important, because if anything was written like that, my wife would be very hurt. Deeply, deeply hurt.”

          He goes on to explain rapidly, with a measure of sadness and distaste how Camille came to be filmed topless. He says she was a dancer on an MTV show, who had moved to New York in the hope of becoming an actress. Finally, she gets offered a part, only when she turns up for the shoot she’s told that it’s her breasts which are to play the major role in the movie … Oh, and, by the way, baby, if you don’t do it, you won’t get paid.

          “Other than that,” Grammer says, “she hasn’t done anything I think she should be ashamed of. She has a beautiful body. She is a lovely woman. She’s also probably the most intelligent girl I’ve ever known. And she’s certainly an intellectual challenge to me.”


          • TEB says:

            Wow! great find Had Enough!!

          • LynnnSoCal says:

            Good Morning H E and all, what a great find. Will people
            ever understand nothing disappears from cyberspace? Kelsey has such a destructive history. He doesn’t have much credibility re his choice of female companions. When all the info out there is compiled, plus her contemptible portrayal on RHOBH, he will only have himself to blame. What a pair. Kayte is certainly not the last. What a train wreck, yet I cannot look away.

      • ilovelynn says:

        spielberg, $100mil to amy irving.(she deserved it! she was with him from the beginning and then he cheated on her with his presesnt wife when they were making the 2nd indiana jones movie.)

        • quincyillinois says:

          and Kate Capshaw was raised in the home of her Protestant Minister Uncle so that must have been interesting to her family too. I know the house in Quincy that the Uncle and Aunt lived in and I know people who know them quite well. They are pious people. I wonder if the Amy/Steven marriage wasn’t over before the affair is this one case. I suspect distance affected their marriage.
          Kate was divorced, but it seems odd that she would deliberately go after a married man, knowing what I know.

  66. vilzvet says:

    “Bethenny Getting Married” reruns right now on Bravo…

  67. klmh says:

    My brother-in-law who was married to my little sister that passed away, remarried about 2 years after her passing (about 6 months ago) didn’t “bother” with a pre-nup either and he’s an attorney. All that they had and made together will probably go to her children if something happens to him and much of it belonged to my parents. Their estate was fairly substantial, and I am still seething…

    • klmh says:

      Sorry, this slipped and should be under HD’s post about pre-nups.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Oh, dear. I hope that he did his job as an attorney better than that. The pre-nup is really not the issue. It is the estate planning. If your parents didn’t leave that money in trust to your sister and/or her children, and your sister didn’t have a will or trust that assured that the money went to the children, then your ex-brother-in-law inherited all of it and can do with it as he likes. Suppose when he dies, he is still married to wife #2. And suppose his will doesn’t provide for the kids. Wife #2 gets it all (or whoever he designated as his beneficiaries…could be others as well). But the point is that this really isn’t a prenup issue. It is an estate planning issue.

      I don’t know what state your ex-bro lives in, but in most states, anything you bring into the marriage remains your separate property at the time of divorce unless there is evidence you intended to make it joint property, i.e., making a gift to the new spouse. Now, it can get messy and hard to prove sometimes, especially in the case of a long marriage, because you have to go back to what the house was worth at the time, what stocks were in the portfolio at that time and what they were worth, etc. It requires far more meticulous record-keeping than most people are capable of, and of course,no one plans for divorce so they are unlikely to be thinking of this when they are getting married or are newly married.

      But if your parents and/or your sister didn’t handle the estate planning properly, it is entirely possible that your ex-bro inherited it all without any restrictions.

      Now, it is also really, really common in second marriages that both spouses write wills that say “mine goes to my kids and yours goes to your kids.” Maybe they’ve done that. But even then, the problem is proving what was his alone and what was hers alone.

      • klmh says:

        Unfortunately, its out of my hands. I wrote a note to him and it didn’t go well. He is still hurting, I know, but he is not thinking about the kids, just himself. He has changed and has no plans for the future, just living day to day.
        I just wish the kids could have been better protected to receive my parents, my sisters estate.

  68. elisa says:

    Hi Lynn,
    As you noted (!) I love to read your posts and enjoy all the comments, as well. I think all the writers here are interesting and insightful. I wanted to write that in reading this last post of yours, I get the sense that you are hurt or frustrated by treatment from housewives toward you (and others). And I just wanted to write to suggest that it seems to me it has everything to do with the name of this blog. The name is irreverent and ironic and candid, and absolutely appeals to me, as well as gazillions of others, obviously. But you must understand that the name is hurtful to Jill and triggers paranoia from other housewives. I doubt housewives would entertain your comments simply because of the name of the blog, and you really can’t hold them responsible for calling you a ‘hater’ when “[hate’s]” in the name… I don’t find you hateful at all, nor other writers here (nor me, your loyal reader!). I’m merely writing to say that I don’t think you should take the housewives’ criticism or rejection to heart—they can’t help but make false assumptions from the name of this blog… Forgive me if this reads as critical or inane. I think you’re a wonderful writer with great wit and insight, and I love to read things here.

    • Had Enough! says:

      Hi, Elisa – Your point is well-taken, but consider the facts. Alex and Simon did a reception organized by Lynn. Sonja, Rich Amons, and Tabatha Coffey have all done interviews on Lynn’s radio show. I think that they read Lynn’s blog and realize that the name is not at all characteristic of either Lynn or the blog or the comments. The smart ones realize that this is a great blog and that being interviewed by Lynn is a great way for them to connect directly with fans.

      It may be that Jill Zarin finds it hateful, but then again, she finds everyone who says anything negative about her to be hateful. Look at amazon-gate, for instance – not only did JZ make up a phony name and account to write her own reviews, but she threatened the pet of Amazon’s top reviewer, who didn’t like JZ’s book. I mean, this woman hired someone to monitor her FB account and delete the hundreds (thousands?) of unflattering comments. She really truly can’t take the heat.

      I would be willing to bet you a CHEESECAKE that Lynn could change the name of the blog today, write Jill a sweet note, and Jill would still not like this blog or the comments, because …. we call it as we see it, and Jill Zarin, unfortunately for her, rarely gives anyone an opportunity to say anything nice about her. I have tried many, many times and a couple of times I have succeeded in finding something nice to say, but it is really hard to do.

      So I want to close by saying I appreciate the thoughtful comment and hope you will join in the conversation more often, but I seriously doubt that Jill Zarin would like this blog or unblock Lynn on Twitter no matter what the name of the blog.

      • elisa says:

        I see your points, and now I want cheesecake. But I must add that it’s not too surprising the most receptive housewife(s?–do we count Simon?) would be the one most ill-treated by JZ… I agree with pretty much everything you write, though. And thanks for the warm response!

  69. Wall St Lady says:

    Hi Ladies & Error (what other gents r here ?)
    I am on my way to PB. Roads r completely clear on way to JFK. I looked up Cindy’s Barley there salon. Found 2 but hear one closed. I ain’t gonna get my
    Va J J bedazzled (mayb WSM will snark snark. I can tell him its a “Happy Ending” treat).
    Seriously I will check it out & try to meet her. I hear she is on the brunette team which includes ill.
    Arrived at JFK.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      omg- you r hilarious!
      tell WSM you will va-jazzle for a piece of jewelry-

      oh wait! sorry that’s Jill not you! Got my New Yorkers that run with a fabulous crowd of people mixed up!

  70. Had Enough! says:

    Oh more details re: St. Camille. Seems that Kelsey checked into Betty Ford on 9/21/96. He didn’t marry her until August 2007. Nearly a year later. So much for her being responsible for his being clean-and-sober. And besides, no one is responsible for someone being clean-and-sober except the substance abuser.

    • klmh says:

      I have a friend that has been to Betty Ford 4 times, with 2, 2 month stints, so he may have relapsed. I think Im the only one here that thinks Camille is an intelligent sociopath, but she had to have done something right for him to have remained married to her for 13 years. I can’t imagine being married to someone like her and remaining sober all that time. She would drive me to drink, or worse…

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        yeah- she looked the other way when he had affairs, that what she did “right”

      • twoile says:

        @k Sociopaths r generally much brighter than adverage citizens usually superior IQ level….which makes then that much more of a challenge. The prisons r full of them…bright deviant etc…..

        • twoile says:

          oops them not then & ment to add relapse is part of addiction in many instances, just the way it is, fall off the horse…get back on…NO moral issue at all! Support of love ones is fantastic but the action comes from the one who is addict.

        • klmh says:

          I know that, and you know that, but it was meant to help complete the thought. Thanks though for further clarification.

    • klmh says:

      I couldn’t have stopped drinking without the love and support from my husband.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        but didn’t it have to come from you first? All the love and support in the world won’t help unless someone is ready to stop.

        kudos to you on a good strong stable marriage, and the sobriety to enjoy it.

        • klmh says:

          Thats a great question. I could have gone on and on Im afraid. I hadn’t reached bottom I don’t believe, as many do. No big event or accident. He simply let me know things had to change and I knew what he meant. I was a mean drunk. Scotch was my choice of weapon.
          Thank you for the kind words OMIB. I love my husband so much and am so lucky to have him.

        • klmh says:

          So to answer your question, it had to be me to make the effort, but the effort was made because of the fear of loosing him. Getting myself sober was quite a bonus though.

      • California35 says:

        I am so glad to read that klmh….happy thoughts going your way 🙂 YOU did it! but it sures help to have someone who loves you and support you through the whole thing 🙂

  71. amia009 says:

    you missed caroline manzo remember she said “who ever follows tweet maxine i will block ” lol ppl dont follow her max just b/c they liked her as PYUP says its just to see wht crap she tweeted. she in now @thetweetmaxine oh & dina think she got her suspended not what happened. sorry dina you dont have that much power.

  72. California35 says:

    Good morning everyone, I made a short stop to say hi! I better not make more stops here so I can get the work done quickly. Next week is closing week…ouch next week will be a busy one so this week I need to close regarding payroll and bonus, and do the company cc reconsiliation. Okay, I am not the person who will closes, really, but I am doing big part of the work so my boss can close…and we are short one person for these two week. This week, the office is not as crowded, so I hope do accomplish all I have in mind.

    This morning I heard the news about Camille and Kelsy, the divorse is final and she got $50M. I heard it in the local news, I assume it is accurate. Good! they are done…now they can move on.

    I will visit here later….have a lovely day everyone.

  73. California35 says:

    Oh! Thanks for your wishes Adgirl – I hope I do well too 🙂

    I just noticed there is a new blog, I will have plenty to read this evening 🙂

  74. justanothermary says:

    Hello all. I’m just home from my Christmas adventures in North Dakota and am getting ready for nice long read. First, however, I wanted to thank you all for the very kind birthttp://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6139538/adoption_a_birth_mothers_story.htmlhday wishes. All were very much appreciated, the cake has been found and consumed (nummmmm) and I love the birthday messages WSL sends out and was looking forward to mine. THANKS!

    I also found out another article of mine has been published, I actually got paid up front for this one! Here’s the link if you’re interested. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6139538/adoption_a_birth_mothers_story.html

    I’m going back now to catch up – “talk” to you all soon!

    • justanothermary says:

      Sorry – don’t know how the link got thrown in there twice – a week away from a computer will certainly warp your brain!

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      Thank you for the link – a lovely story!!

    • twoile says:

      @J I’m bloting the tears as I write to let you know you are a fine/gifted writer of a lovely story ….what ever they paid you it is not enough! It is grand that they paid you up front though, guess they do know “a good thing” when they see it. Congrats!!!!!!!!!Jeanne

  75. DJ Fruit Loops says:

    Jill blocked me for whatever reason was in her head at the time it could be that she saw i followed you but if that is the case fuck her who needs her
    but prior to this she had sent me one d/m saying all the stuff about her fight with Bethenny wasnt true (well we all know how that turned out) it was odd but her d/m seemed to say it was really important that i believe her like my knowing made a difference
    and i was able to reply because she was following me as well
    as soon as she blocked she stopped following so i guess ill never really know for sure but she did anger me like no other housewive has by doing so
    i dont mind when i post to one and they dont reply it would be silly to expect them to reply to everyone they are super busy and im super touched when one takes the time to do so the funniest ones i ever got were from Krazy uh i Mean Kelly from rhony
    if you thought she was nuts on the show her tweets make that tv character look sane but eventually she blocked me as well

  76. knocknoc says:

    Latest news from Prince and Princess of Aruba:


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