IHJZ The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Jan 14, 2010

I Hate Jill Zarin The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills January 14, 2010

Kelsey Grammer is not as smart as I thought he was. If the order of events are true on the show, Kelsey called his wife just a few weeks before the Tony Awards and told her that he wanted to end their marriage.

Step two, Kelsey, in order to get her to come to the Tony Awards with you so that no questions are asked about the marital status, you tell Camille that the two of you could have a romantic weekend and possibly resurrect the marriage. Your wife arrives in New York only to find that she’s not welcome in your New York home, the one that she decorated, planned on moving into (although it was way too small) and includes a bedroom for her children. WTF was this man thinking?

Kelsey, for future reference, those big events like the Tony Awards include press and so if you want to put on a show that you’ve still got a happy marriage, don’t ask your wife for a divorce BEFORE the Tony’s, wait those few days or weeks until after the Tony’s and then you can introduce your wife to your mistress and let the chips fall where they may. Oh and make sure you get a pre-nuptial agreement with the new girlfriend. You moron!

Wow are you stooooped! Enjoy living on HALF of what you’ve been living on before…

I was a bit confused at the opening lunch as Lisa tells viewers that Kyle was her friend first and Taylor seems to be butting in, it was surprising to hear Lisa talk that way, it’s a bit high school and very beneath her. The three ladies seem to be having a lovely lunch together until Lisa brings up Taylor’s marital problems and wants to have a serious discussion about it. Was Lisa feeling left out because Taylor only confided in Kyle? Clearly Taylor’s not interested in this topic of discussion at this time and makes a joke out of it. Lisa is getting irritated at Taylor’s flippant attitude and takes leave with the excuse that her husband is waiting for her.

Kyle is preparing for her daughter’s college graduation, Farah who is 21 years old makes mom so proud that she buys her a diamond ring for her accomplishment. We also meet Farah’s dad who attends the festivities. The Hilton family announce that they won’t be there as they have European commitments that are obviously more important but they do call Farah on her big day and send her a big plant and even bigger check. If all else fails, pay them off, I guess that is the Hilton way.

Earlier we witness Kim doing an interview with Radio Disney and announcing that she is interested in returning to acting now that her children are grown. She might have had a shot at it before The Real Housewives gig but I would think that now, any producer who might have been interested in casting her would run for the hills.

Kim was very supportive of Kyle during her daughter’s graduation festivities, its easy to be there during the fun and exciting things, but Kim seems to fall apart any other time. Kim also seems to want to ensure that everyone knows how upset Kyle was when sister Kathy announced she wouldn’t be attending the graduation.

Adrienne shopping with Paul for some clothes was like a comic sketch, the constant bickering and disagreements about which outfits they each liked was like an Abbott and Costello bit. Highlighted by the interview Paul gives saying he knows exactly what his wife’s tastes are and he could pick out her clothes then pooh-poohs every outfit she chooses.

Later at the graduation party, Adrienne and Paul corner Maricio’s mother who happens to be a clinical psychologist and basically asks her to work during the party. Having never met this couple and knowing little about them, I don’t see how she would be able to diagnosis the problem so quickly but it seemed as though they simply told her that they’ve been married for eight years and bicker a lot.

Rather than Paul inviting the good Psychologist to his office for plastic surgery, she should have given this couple her business card and told them to make an appointment.
Lisa and Ken are still at odds over what to do about their adult houseguest who will never leave. Ken called it expertly when he said that Cedric goes behind his back to Lisa whenever Ken asks him to move out of the house. Cedric plays on Lisa’s emotions and I can see how hard it is for her to be strong and insist that Cedric leave after what he’d been through. He really lays it on thick in this episode saying that no one loves him and that he doesn’t deserve love even that he, at 7-years old must have pushed his mother away. You could almost see Lisa’s heart breaking for him all over again and of course she’s not going to kick him out of the house after that speech.

It’s tough to know if Cedric is on the up and up or if he’s scamming this amazing couple, their big hearts are overshadowing the entire scenario and I don’t think Cedric is ever going to leave this couple’s home until he’s good and ready. The cycle keeps going round and round as Ken asks Cedric to leave, Cedric pours his heart out to Lisa and Lisa overrides her husband’s demands. In the end Cedric stays.

Lisa’s reasoning for not wanting Ken to get eye surgery was hysterical, she claims that the timing was perfect, as she’s falling apart her husband’s eyes were getting bad. Now he wants to fix his eyes and she is worried? No need to worry Lisa, you are no where near “falling apart” but it is sweet that after all those years of marriage Lisa still thinks that way, this couple clearly love each other so much!

As we watch the Grammer’s prepare for the Tony Awards you can feel how awkward things are right through the screen. Kelsey arrives at Camille’s suite while obviously his mistress has taken over the couple’s New York apartment and Camille asks for Kelsey’s suggestion on which dress to wear. If ever a man didn’t give a damn what a woman was wearing, this was it! He put in his two cents about the rain ruining the long gown with the train but when Camille offers to try both dresses on for Kelsey, he snorts an uncomfortable laugh and tells her it doesn’t matter.

The Grammer’s share a toast with friends before climbing into the limo and as they all toast to “love” and “friendship”, Camille adds her own toast to “Marriage” and gives her husband the look, you know the look…everyone knows the look. The look on Camille, however, is ghastly and evil as it includes that sick little grin of hers. Even Kelsey looked a bit frightened, as though the look said to him, “Half, I’m taking half!”

As expected Bravo’s camera’s weren’t allowed at the Tony Awards but it would be the last public appearance together that Camille would make with her husband of 13-years. I feel for the children.

Did Camille gain any public sympathy after last night’s episode? Will she get more next week? What about her appearance on Watch What Happens Live last night, did anyone change their mind about Camille Grammer?

Next week we see Camille in tears and apparently questioning her friend DeDe about how “that woman” could break up a home. Why do the women always put the blame on the other woman? Kelsey is the married man who cheated on his wife, lets put the blame where it belongs.

Reading Taylor’s blog this morning, there seems to be a bit of tension over the lunch with Lisa and Kyle. Lisa’s comments apparently didn’t sit well with Taylor. You can read her blog here:


Complete recap of Watch What Happens Live along with a bit on Kelsey Grammer’s appearance on David Letterman’s show tomorrow right here at IHJZ!

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I love the face that Jill makes in the photo at the table, so perfect!


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437 Responses to IHJZ The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Jan 14, 2010

  1. error404 says:

    oops.. missed the cut off mark, so I’ll repost this here:

    Who else here is actually old enough to remember Kim Richards?

    I used to be a fan. My sister and I watched “Nanny and the Professor” religiously. It’s too bad it never got a 2nd life via NickatNite or one of those channels. I wonder how it holds up.

    I was just rewatching the witch mt series on TCM the other week. So campy! But I loved them way back when.

    I don’t remember Kathy at all, and Kyle is one of those kid stars that once you’re reminded of what she was in, your like “oh yeah” because you remember there was a kid being babysat in ‘Halloween’ but you don’t really remember her. She was no Drew Barrymore.

    I still think a lot of the underlying tension between the sisters is because Kim was actually a real star, and Kyle was just some kid who was in a few things. Who knows.

    • Mary Jane says:

      Hate to admit it but I’m old enough to remember Kim Richards. I was quite a fan of hers. Watched Nanny and the Prof. when I was a kid too.

      Kathy was not much of an actress. She had small parts on some 70s sitcoms, but no career to speak of. Kim was the star in that family. I agree about Kyle’s acting. She had some parts in movies and shows but she was hardly memorable. I think she was jealous of Kim as a child and resentful of her mother’s devotion to her.

      • 2Stupid says:

        I think you are right. I think Kim said last night that her mom was the one that wanted to be an actress and had children really young and gave up that dream I have the feeling she pinned all her hopes on Kim. I bet she was probably upset when Kim stopped acting to have children young in unstable relationships. It seems to have been a pattern for the Richads sisters!

    • Kellita says:

      I was a Kim fan back in the day. Loved all the Disney movies. “Nanny and the Professor” was on Nick at Nite back in the 90s. I recorded the Witch Mountain duo for my 8yo, and he’s been watching them.

      I only remember Kyle from Halloween and Little House. And Kathy???? Never saw her in anything. It’s interesting that Kim had the most successful child star career, but seems the most lost now as an adult.

    • klmh says:

      I think Kyle feels responsible for Kim because of her mother’s wishes for Kyle to take care of her. She resents it. There are also some issues and problems we haven’t seen that required Kyle’s mother to ask her to watch over Kim.
      Kim also, has not been supportive to Kyle. I think thats what I find most offensive about Kim. Kyle expects complete loyalty because she gives complete loyalty, to her friends and family. Thats why she gets so hurt when not supported they way she would support them.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        How has Kim not been supportive of Kyle?
        Because she didn’t jump in and say that Kyle never said those things to Camille? If that’s the reason, I don’t see what difference it would have made- no one believes it other than Camille- and I am not even sure about that.

        It’s hard to tell if she really is so demented that is what she hears or if Camille likes to spin stuff-for her benefit.

        • klmh says:

          Well, she had several opportunities to clear up the question that has been the bone of contention thru out this series.
          I take it you don’t have any sisters or your relationship isn’t close, but what sisters do for each other is support them. Period. You might not agree with them, but you are there for them.
          Also, how many times do we need to hear from Kyle that Kim wasn’t there for her (other than the graduation of her daughter). It is evident Kyle feels that every time an argument begins, Kim has to jump in and make it worse with Taylor ( two times that we have seen at least).
          The basis for several shows revolved around Kyle/Camille sentence. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you. Sorry.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I actually do have a sister and we have a wonderful relationship- at least in our adulthood. Adolescences was a different story, where my side of the room was a shrine to Matt Dillon and hers was a tribute to heavy metal type-or long hair bands like Metalica and Skid Row.

            Yes- Kyle keeps saying that Kim isn’t there for her- like the time Kim was in the middle of moving and she didn’t leave all her possessions at the side of the road to go and help her prepare for Portia’s birthday party. Never mind that she had a party planner and at least two daughters old enough to help in a meaningful way.

            I don’t remember seeing Kathy at the party.

            I am pretty sure I remember when Kim was upset about her daughter wanting to go to Houston for the summer- Kyle not being in her court- and her words were something to the effect that she won’t support her sister if she is in the wrong.

            She also has plenty to say about to Kim about arguing with Taylor and making the situation more hostile but doesn’t hold Taylor to the same criticism. Not to mention that when it comes down to the Taylor/Kim mash up- it’s Taylor who is in the wrong.

            I’m not seeing it because in my opinion if it’s there- it’s Kyle who doesn’t have her sisters back.

            • klmh says:

              Sounds like you aren’t close now, and relationships change as you get older, don’t they? The bond becomes unbreakable and Im sorry you haven’t experienced that.
              Kyle can be an ass but its obvious she feels her sister has let her down on a number of occasions.
              At the birthday party, I had the feeling the date had been set for her daughters b-day party and Kim decided to move on that date. You can change moving dates easier than changing birth dates, and its not difficult to take a few hours out of the day to help your sister with her nieces party, imo, but thats neither here nor there.
              We don’t know anything other than what is said by these sisters a few minutes a week for a few months out of the year. With Kim having a screw loose, I tend to believe someone I feel has better judgement and more friends, which shows better relationships with others, and thats Kyle.
              What I have seen has led me to my decision, and you to yours. Cheers.

              • Rabble Rouser says:

                I’m not sure how my perception of Kim and Kyle’s relationship suggests that I don’t have a good relationship with my own, especially when I know I do. We had obvious differences when we were younger, when peripheral things and people had more significance but our mothers death when we were in our 20’s brought us closer and gave me a deep respect for my sister.

                Now that we are both married with children- we are a great source of support with each other. We don’t get to see each other as often as we would like-we live in two different countries but we speak several times a week, I talk to her more than I do any other friend.

                I also don’t think moving dates are easy changeable, you have to be out by a certain date. I also don’t think most kids parties are held on their actual birthday day-unless that day falls on a weekend. I think Kyle just laid that whole thing on her, so that she could again wallow on how Kim doesn’t have her back.

                We know that Kim came to the Portia’s birthday party, the white party and Farah’s graduation-but was Kathy at them?

                It goes back to what I was saying before with her being upset with Kim for getting into it to it with Taylor. Kyle seems to have a different measuring stick for everyone else.

                Sure Kim is a bit flighty, but she has always shown up for her sister and her family at special events despite her social awkwardness and probably anxiety. Having a husband with this time of condition, I can full appreciate the toll it takes on them and see the effort as a sign of love.

                Kim does have friends, they just are part of the fabric of the show. She was the odd duck on the show from the get go and it seems like none of the other girls let her forget it.

                Kyle does a lot of talking about ‘looking out for her sister’ but really what has she done to protect or shelter her?

                She’s watched silently as her friend Taylor threatened her.
                She’s screamed and and humiliated her in front of people.
                From the upcoming episodes it also looks like she throws death bed promises made to their mother in her face- and tries to physically attack her in a limo like some scene from The Bad Girls Club.

                • Rabble Rouser says:

                  I don’t know why an entire section came up in bold- I only wanted to highlight one word.

                • klmh says:

                  Sorry, I thought you meant your relationship wasn’t good.
                  I appreciate your explanations, but you aren’t going to change my mind, and its not important for me to change yours. I prefaced my first sentence with the words I think.I base it on my relationships with my sisters.
                  You know as much about the situation as I , so lets just agree to disagree.

                  • Rabble Rouser says:

                    oh sure- it’s not a big deal and who knows we might see something in the next episode that will give us a different take
                    i would make a smiley face but i’m on the pc because my laptop won’t connect and one of the kids must have spilled juice on the keyboard because the shift key won’t work.

                    the ‘t’ and ‘y’ also don’t work so everytime i need one i have to copy and paste it.

                    the backspace key doesn’t work either so if i make a mistake i have to highlight it and press delete

                    i think it took 20 minutes to type this out… lol

  2. error404 says:

    nice recap.

    I’m not going to waste anytime trying to figure out the specifics of the Gramer break up, as I feel both are bold-faced liars as well as seasoned TV vets, so I highly doubt that what we were shown on RH has any basis in reality or actual events/timeline, etc…

    I’m also not suddenly going to get all mushy about the kids, as being raised by Camille and Kelsey together seemed like a living hell to me, so it’s not like they all of a sudden got a crappy childhood just because their two hot-mess “mememememe” parents decided to divorce.

    Kyle and Taylor were giggling uncontrollably about nothing, purposefully excluding Lisa, and holding hands… and Lisa was acting “high school”? What kind of school did you go to? lol

    Kim will be fine. It’s my TV that need help, as it keeps showing me this completely normal if slightly off beat person. Yet I keep coming here and having this raging lunatic described. How come my TV never shows me that Kim? Is she only in HD? 😛

    • LilyLynn says:

      Also remember that Lisa thinks it was Taylor that got Camille all worked up again after Kyle had smoothed things over in NYC. I think Lisa is very right to be wary about Taylor. That was very a very uncomfortable lunch.

      • Kansas Girl says:

        I noted there was no lunch on the table – only wine. Did the meal go on so long the plates were cleared, or did it fall apart before food arrived? Or is this the Beverly Hills diet?

        • LilyLynn says:

          Yeah I think they had a lot of wine – seemed a bit tipsy by the end. And we’ve all heard those scenes take longer to set up and film than they appear, so time for even more wine which Bravo probably loves. I wish Lisa had asked Taylor if she had stirred Camille back up in NYC – I wonder if Taylor would have had the balls to go all Oklahoma on Lisa 🙂

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I also think Kim in a way is very normal-at least in her interviews. I thought it was especially true in her recap of ‘The Last Super’ where she was fully aware of Camille and the Psych-ho baiting Kyle and her wishing that Kyle wouldn’t fall for it.
      But that being said, I also feel that Kim is probably the most fragile person on the show and the least equipped of all the women to deal with confrontation. It’s almost like she is suffering with some sort of PTSD and just goes into meltdown/shut down mode.

      • Lily says:

        I agree with you Rabble Rouser about Kim and PTSD. Kim seems to be unable to deal with Kyle’s anger, especially when Kyle runs out of patience with her. I think Kyle protests too much about Kim being loyal to her when it doesn’t seem like Kyle reciprocates. I know sisters are supposed to be loyal to each other but Kyle runs out of patience with Kim quite a bit. It seems to me Kyle frequently disrespects Kim. Kyle would never talk to Lisa or any of the other ladies the way she talks to Kim. I wish Kim would get help because it really seems like something big and bad happened to her when she was young and she hasn’t dealt with it. Maybe if Kim got some help it would stop Kyle from resenting Kim so much.

    • lovesfall says:

      I Kim similarly to you. I think she is a little awkward in social situations, and gets flustered very easily. She then falls apart during conflict, but I don’t think she ever purposely sets out to be offensive, she just lacks social skills. I don’t remember exactly what hapened, but she said someting a bit off to Taylor during their pedicure that seemed to offend T. I don’t even think she realized she had done it.

  3. Melinda says:

    oh boy, that Kelsey sure has nerve doesn’t he?!?!!? I mean, let’s be honest….no love lost here on Camille but I see a side of Kelsey Grammer that is clearly disgusting. Sounds to me like their marriage has been very much a strange sham from the beginning. I don’t blame Camille for giving him attitude the night of the Tony’s …..he should be so thankful that she agreed to even show up!

    As for Lisa….i know what you mean…..it felt a bit like she was feeling insecure (that dreaded word!! haha) but Taylor is a shit stirer plain and simple….the fact she was sitting there making Lisa feel uncomfortable by not talking about something and alluding to the fact that Kyle knows…..well, that is shitty!!! I don’t blame Lisa for feeling like she needed to clarify with Kyle her thoughts on Taylor. I know Taylor totally pushed Camille that night in NYC……it is SO OBVIOUS!

    I am starting to really not like Taylor at all and that she is really a mean girl who isn’t hiding it very well.

    Sad to see that Kathy Hilton and her family didn’t make the real effort to support her sister and family. Money can’t buy you love…….right?! hahaha

    • 2Stupid says:

      Did anyone see Kelsey on 30 Rock last night. I was waiting for WWHL to come on and caught him on 30 Rock. I have to say, I did think Cammille took one for the team last night (Team Cammille) and let Andy ask some tough questions. I about died when he asked if she had ever been an escort. After that I was waiting for the porn question, that one never came.

      I’m with you Error! I think Kim is just very needy, but not a ragind lunatic. I really find myself not liking Kyle in most of their interactions. I did think last night was really sweet, but next week looks like a doozey!

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I thought perhaps the Hiltons simply didn’t want to appear on a Bravo show.

    • twoile says:

      OT a bit IMHO I think that the Hiltons left 4 the “beach” a day early in order to avoid being on the reality tv show!

    • babykakes says:

      Kathy Hilton & family are very selfish people…only caring about themselves.
      her, Rick , & their 4 children. just look at Paris & the one son that got in trouble in Malibu..then daddy bought him a new Mercedes..it’s sooooooooooo

  4. quincyil says:

    About Kyle’s missing college….. She goes to tons of parties, she could have taken classes and slowly gotten a degree like a lot of working moms. I know many moms who do it all and are still great moms. She could too.

    • alicia says:

      I agree ! I was married at 24 and finished up my bachelors degree in a year. We were living right across from Palm beach and all my friends there just partied like crazy ! Many weekends I spend studying- it can be done.

      Quincy- hope you are fully recovered from your concussion .

      • quincyil says:

        Thank you, I am much better. The good wishes here helped me a lot.

      • twoile says:

        Yep u do what needs 2 b done 2 succeed…..as a single Mom of a 3yr old I went to Community college (I felt that I had a D 4 devorced plastered on my back) at the time I was the first Non traditional student in school. Got a job, traveled on Tues PM after work 2 U MA in Amherst MA 4 more classes over 100miles one way…..lucky I didn’t get killed falling asleep while driving. There is plenty more but my point is if you see a need fill it! It is grand that Kyles dtr has grad from college, but would b more impressed if Kyle did as well.

  5. Pantry Viewer says:

    Seriously, the lunch with Lisa, Taylor and Kyle had my mouth dropping a bit. I don’t see Lisa as getting jealous, so much, as her warning bells are going off and she is seeing bits of the real Taylor. I really, really dislike Taylor very much. I think she is as fake as they come and a trouble-maker. I have been unhappy with how she goes balistic on Kim to disguise that Taylor was, in fact, gossiping about Camille’s insecurity at the airport. Taylor desperately doesn’t want that fact confirmed and takes advantage of Kyle’s tendency to treat Kim badly. Taylor does the same thing to Kim to discredit her when, in fact, Taylor did say those things. Very irritating. And Kyle always screaming Kim doesn’t “have her back,” Kyle doesn’t have Kim’s back in that regard either.

    Taylor was a silly bitch at the table. I totally get what Lisa is saying about wanting a friend who isn’t a shit-stirrer or two-faced like Taylor and trying to help Kyle see that. I don’t think she is jealous as much as warning her or trying to get her to open her eyes that Taylor isn’t the innocent kitten or straight-shooting woman she wants everyone to think she is.

    At Kyle’s white party, Taylor was very much putting out there that she was in victim mode with regard to her husband. The pouty, pitiful shots of her, longing looking at others having fun was all for show. I’m not saying she doesn’t feel those things, but she played it up for the camera, imho. Then took it all back on her blog the next day. Whatever.

    Taylor was at the root of stirring the Camille shit pot two times. Yes, Camille is responsible for her crazy-a** behavior – totally. But Taylor has a hand in the mess as well.

    I’ve been dear friends with a sweet lady for several years. Another mom came into the picture and really woo’ed me to be “best friends” with her. I didn’t see the type of person the new friend was. My old friend tried telling me. I defended new friend. Turns out, old friend was absolutely right. New friend was nothing but manufactured drama and a trouble-maker extraordinare. So I don’t want to throw out there that Lisa is necessarily jealous of Taylor and Kyle, but just sees things for what they are … and that Kyle is not seeing right now.

    • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

      Hi Pantry: I like your putting a “real face” on the issue with Lisa and Taylor by way of your own experience. I do agree with you. I think Kyle should proceed very slowly with Taylor and the “new” friendship. Kyle and Lisa are longtime friends, and it is not a crime to make a new friend. I am sure Lisa realizes that. But Lisa is, I believe, trying to make Kyle see that until she knows Taylor better,Kyle should be careful. Taylor might turn out to be a very needy friend, the kind that sucks the life right out of you. Kyle is a busy wife and mother, and may not be able to give Taylor the kind of attention Taylor needs. I like meeting new people and making new friends, but I always proceed slowly. I am not a big fan of “instant friendships” Echos of Jill and Bethenny maybe.

      • Pantry Viewer says:

        Thanks, LavaLady. It’s funny how this is so simliar to what I just went through in real life friendwise. Our daughters had joined a new team and the moms were all getting to know each other in the example I gave about. And I knew I couldn’t just write off old friend as “jealous” because we both made new friends and didn’t feel the need to warn each other about the other new friends we’d made … just that one!

        • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

          Well, I think you are very lucky to have your “old friend” in your life. She was looking out for your best interest, and that is a true friend. And “kudoz” to you for not taking the “jealously” road.

    • LilyLynn says:

      Well put Pantry Viewer. That lunch – every time Lisa directly asked Taylor a question, Taylor would turn her head to Kyle and either just laugh or give her answer to Kyle only. That would annoy the hell out of anyone. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lisa is the one who explodes during the reunion and it is all directed at Taylor.

      • kitkat says:

        Agree about the Taylor assessment… she seemed to be purposely excluding Lisa at lunch, and that, to me, is as High School as you can get. Can’t stand that passive aggressive crap.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      Adrienne is godmother to Taylor’s daughter Kennedy so you would think we’d see these conversations about her marriage with Adrienne instead of her new friend Kyle. I can understand getting really close to a new friend, but it does seem a bit strange when this new friend (Taylor) and your sister do not get along at all. I’m not saying Kim is all that, but it is interesting.

      I don’t think Lisa was being nasty to Taylor at that lunch. I think Lisa smells a rat and like she said, she’s not afraid to say what’s on her mind. I remember Lisa saying that they do get to the bottom of how the whole New York-gate fiasco started earlier in the season. I wonder if next episode we see exactly that.

    • Lily says:

      Hit the nail on the head Pantry Viewer. While I really liked Kyle in the beginning, the more I watch her, the more I started to see her agressiveness. I hear Kyle going on and on about loyalty but she isn’t showing much to her long time friend Lisa. If they’ve been friends that long you would think she would give more weight to Lisa’s observations about Taylor than she did. Kyle just waved Lisa off and DID NOT want Lisa to confront Taylor. Why not confront Taylor? Someone should because that is WAY overdue. So far in this series Kyle has confronted everyone but Taylor. Kyle usually makes a point of not letting anyone get away with saying anything that offends her, Camille, Kim and even Lisa on occasion.

  6. WindyCityWondering says:

    Lynn, thanks for an excellent recap.
    Between this week’s episode, WWHL and all the articles/interviews flying around – I am sick of and sick at heart about the end of Kelsey and Camille’s marriage. I see no justification for Kelsey because he is as vile as Camille and while a divorce is in order – taking a mistress so publically is not nor is using your children as props.

    • quincyil says:

      And… being so bold to walk up to Camille and shake her hand with a firm grip, then be on tv with the kids at Letterman’s. This new woman is aggressive in a petite, “I need you,” way…

      • ImaJillHater2 says:

        Was it the new squeeze backstage at Letterman with the children or was it Kelsey’s older daughter, who he mentioned was now living with him?

        At 1st glance I thought it was the new squeeze, but after a review, I think it was the daughter.

        (But I’m with you that *if* it was the new squeeze, then absolutely in poor taste to appear on Letterman).

        • quincyil says:

          Hmmm.. now I am not sure… I knew he had an older daughter, but I did not know she was possibly in NYC with him. I thought that Camille said that yesteday she met “the new squeeze” so I thought she went with the kids to Letterman. “The new squeeze” seems quite bold for a very shy person who needs Kelsey to protect her from the mean ex wife, Camille.

        • If You Had It Like This says:

          It was definitely the new squeeze.

  7. firepainter says:

    Hey Lynn,

    I really enjoy reading your blog on the RH’s and hardly ever post but had to weigh in on the Grammers. You wrote “Why do the women always put the blame on the other woman? Kelsey is the married man who cheated on his wife, lets put the blame where it belongs.” Well, the way I see it, a man couldn’t cheat is there wasn’t a woman willing to sleep with someone else’s husband. They are both guilty of rotten behavior and are equally responsible for breaking up someone’s marriage. Granted it is primarily Kelsey’s responsibility, but if you know that someone you are interested in is married and you go ahead with the relationship, that is just cruel and compassionless. Playing a role in breaking up a marriage is a horrible thing to do to someone and there is a special place in hell for women who do this. I think her behavior speaks volumes about her and good luck to Kelsey, I think he has a gold digger on his hands with no morals or values.

    I also don’t get why some people are giving Kelsey a pass on his behavior based on their dislike of Camille. Granted, Camille is hard to take but Kelsey’s behavior has been cruel and classless towards her. After 13 years of marriage she deserves better treatment from him. To go out and start another relationship to the extent of getting the other woman pregnant before ending his marriage is dishonest and gross. If he is unhappy in his marriage deal with it first, get divorced and then move on. I hope Camille takes him to the cleaners.

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  9. DJ Fruit Loops says:

    I actually changed my mind a little regarding Camille
    Oh dont get me wrong i hated her and loathed her throughout RHOBH but something changed on Andys WWHL she came across as charming friendly and eve funny i was shocked and suprised as i was all set to scream at her thru the tv screen
    and it isnt as if this is the first time Kelsey screwed over a wife by trading her in for a younger model
    nothing suprises me about that old tired closet queen other then he trying to pass as a heterosexual ladies man its very telling that he and his wife hadnt had sex in years
    well not with each other at any rate we all know who Camille was most likely sleeping with and you have to give the woman some credit as Mark is 10000000000000000000 times better looking then Kelsey
    ps Andy looked quite dashing in his glasses

    • quincyil says:

      I thought she was “nice,” in a coy way. She gets her digs in at Kelsey just like she does with Kyle and the book. This is the kind of woman that you need to stay away from. Kissing on the lips has meaning too. Even if Nick’s wife doesn’t want to do anything about it, it’s not normal behavior for a married man.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I think Camille’s constant kissing Nick on the lips is her way of telling both him and his wife that she ‘owns’ them. She is saying, I don’t care if he is married to you- he belongs to me and will do as I please. It’s almost as territorial as a dog pissing on a tree.

    • Kellita says:

      I agree about Camille. She came across really well on WWHL. She had a good sense of humor and wasn’t at all defensive. My respect for her went up a few notches.

    • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

      DJ who is Mark? I did not see WWHL.

    • 2Stupid says:

      I felt myself warming up as well. The thing about me though is I am a sucker for the underdog and can always be easily munipulated by the Camille’s of this world.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      I don’t have new respect for her. I think her bad PR went through the ROOF. She really didn’t have much choice except to come on and acknowledge some of her craziness was not right.

      She is still the same person. She had plenty of innuendo and the whole flirty, fake thing going on. She hasn’t learned a thing. I just think her PR people had her come on and acknowledge some of her craziness.

      • 2Stupid says:

        I know but at least she did THAT. Our good friend Kiki is still screaming she was bullied on scary island. I really think if Kelly would own up to anything, people would give her a break too. The thing about this country is we love a good redemption story!

        • Pantry Viewer says:

          True, true. I get what you’re saying. Okay, so Camille gets to be one tiny rung above Kelly? I guess I can live with that – LOL!!!

          • Dani says:

            Pantry Viewer, I agree with you Camille did nothing last night to make me like her better. In fact she did answer the questions, however, each answer was a excuse. I don’t think that Dede made her say the ladies were jealous of her constantly that was all Camille.

        • DJ Fruit Loops says:

          i would feel differently about Krazy if she at least accepted one thing she did on scary island anything
          she was completely off her rocker

      • jeang says:

        Also I recognize she was talking with a “man”/and not a woman. She comes across better with a man, even if it is Andy, which evidently Krazy and Tamra and even Camille think they can change into “wanting” their “you never had it like this” asses.

      • DJ Fruit Loops says:

        But think about it Just maybe she knew everything was going down with Kelsey for a long time before she admited to it and perhaps that was teh actual reason she was acting so nuts

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I think Camille did come off nicer, but I think it was calculated. She has been going on a PR tour about how she has acted. I just go my US magazine were she says, “I Was A Monster”. I still need to read it so see what she says. Camille has seen the writing on the wall, or her PR person has, and if she doesn’t want to be so vilified she needs to do all of this. Time will tell though.

    • babykakes says:

      NEVER FORGET that Camille is a LIAR! she has proved it more than once!
      so how can we believe anything she says, & not attribute what she says to
      getting back at Kelsey. NEVER FORGET THIS!

      • babykakes says:

        last night on Andy Cohen Camille backtracked on every
        negative thing Andy brought up about her…for instance, regard-
        ing her many statements about woman always being jealous of
        her & blaming DeDe for it. she knows how HATED she is & is
        trying to save her a**….good like Camille! it didn’t work.

  10. Kellita says:

    Great, thorough and prompt blog as always, Lynne!

    I’ve totally lost respect for Kelsey after this series. I think he totally played Camille to get her to come to the Tony’s for his image management. I was glad to see Camille take her daughter to dance lessons. I wonder how many of those scenes made the cutting room floor, or does she really rarely hang out with her kids?

    I was disappointed in the Hiltons for blowing off the graduation, when it meant so much to Kyle. They seem to be a close family, so that wasn’t cool.

  11. missmi says:

    I have seen Taylors type many times. She purposely brags on Kyle and sucks her in to her turmoil. She did stir the pot with Camille and opted out of that friendship real quick when she realized what a hot mess Camille was. I think Taylor treats Kim poorly because nobody will defend Kim, including her SISTER!

    Kyle feels that she is above Kim and looks down on her. She expects Kim to do for her, but then treats her with no respect and frankly I think it irritates her to have to be linked to Kim. Its funny, that Kyle becomes friends and even defends the one woman that is mean to Kim and obviously played a part in the NYC fiasco.

    Camille is an idiot, plain and simple. What self respecting woman would stay at a hotel and attend an awards show after just finding out that her husband wants a divorce. Which as she claims came as a shock. Something does not add up. I have thought from the beginning that they already ended their marriage before filming.

    • jezzibel says:

      Camille did say in her Howard stern interview that the marriage had been over for a while, so your right things are not adding up, I think maybe some of the shock and upset on her part is the fact he had already found someone else. She might have been expecting him to be single and miserable and come crawling back to her.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      Sing it, sister! I’m with you.

      Oh, I had a thought to add about why in the world Camille went to the Tonys. She is such a narcissist that there was NO WAY she wasn’t attending the Tonys. Her whole self-worth was tied to being Kelsey’s wife and Tonys and Broadway and the whole shebang. In her eyes, that is all that matters in life…that she be with someone “famous” and do “famous things”. I think it matters more than any self-respect she may have left.

      If her marriage was so terrible as she is saying now (no sex, cross-dresser, blah blah), I highly doubt that she was going to give it one more try. She wanted her moment in the sun. Which is funny, because who really cares if you’re the wife of some actor anyway? Not to be rude, but that’s just not my personal end-all, be-all, and I think that is the most she can aspire to.

  12. WSL says:

    I have another theory.
    Kelsey call & says he wants a divorce and that he is UNINVITing
    CamZilla to the Tonys. Camzi slings a fit & falls in it. Camzilla threatens & demands to go so that she can wear her new red dress. She says to Chslie that she will organize her army of fans to cause a scene. The fans love her cuz she is never insecure & kisses other women’s husbands on the mouth. Chelsie wants to get this dog in a new show so he agrees but says u stay in yo own cage & me & my new bitch,stay in ours. He comes over only cuz Camzilla threatened to come over if he didn’t.
    Look the way to make a break,u transition. 1st u go alone. U suffer the gossip. Some truth surfaces. Now u introduce the new partner.
    Trust me.
    Chesley was forced by the C word to bring her !

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      WSL, I thought the exact same thing. GMTA 😀

    • twoile says:


    • TEB says:

      I thought the exact same thing!!! He didn’t want her there. She insisted on being there and made up the story about him ‘wanting to have a romantic weekend and ressurect the marrige’ I don’t believe her a bit.

    • Anne says:

      Usually they don’t go alone. Tom Cruise didn’t do it with Nicole when they were clearly done six months before. The same with Jennifer and Brad. When you are up for a Tony, Oscar, GG, or any major award you don’t end it because of the press afterwards. Julia Roberts didn’t end a clearly ended relationship with Benjamin Bratt when she was nominated and then won her Oscar for Erin Brokovich.

      I dislike Camille as well, but usually when you are nominated you don’t go it alone.

  13. Golden Girl says:

    Thanks Lynn for the blog! On the last blog Adgirl pointed out how when Camille and Kelsey were toasting to friendship and so on what were they drinking? Kelsey is supposed to be on the wagon and Camiell doesn’t drink so what was it?

  14. jezzibel says:

    There was one thing that really caught my attention, did anyone else notice when the Grammers and their friends were doing the toast before going to the award show that Kelsey also thanked the british people, the reason that stood out to me is that his new mistress is from Bristol UK, I thought that was a rather passive aggressive dig on my part.

    • Mimisfbay says:

      I am so glad that you said that…when he said “To the british people” I thought he was just another passive aggressive jerk.

    • LilyLynn says:

      OMG – that toast was all kinds of passive-aggressive – everybody got a dig in during that one. I wondered why he brought up the British, I completely forgot the girlfriend is British – zing! I gotta watch that toast again.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I thought it was lines from a play. It seemed like he was trying to be a character.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I said the same thing on the last blog. It was such a dig and showed him to be a manipulative jerk. Two thumbs down to both Grammers.

    • Anne says:

      His co-star was British and the run started in the UK with another star.

  15. Noreen says:

    I agree that Camille did a much better job last night on WWHL; but people, let’s not fall for it. She was coached and prepared by a team of publicists and lawyers. I have to believe the real Camille was who we saw on the season of Houswives. Let’s not forget the pecking order comment and everyone is jealous of me comments, during the commentary sections filmed seperately, not because DeeDee brought it up first excuse. I think she is loathsome and I think she have gotten everything she wanted out of life and don’t feel sorry for her at all. The only victims in this sham marriage are those two darling children who have little chance of growing into better human beings than their parents.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      Noreen, I, too, believe we saw the absolute true Camille this season. I do not believe she is any bit different after last night. The only difference there *may* be is that she realizes we don’t buy her jealously/she’s-so-wonderful schtick.

      I, too, believe her PR/public perception was so incredibly bad that she really had no other choice but to go on and pretend to “own” some of her bad behavior. Even with that, she blamed DD for “starting” the talk of everyone being jealous of her – OMG, blech!

      She was still fake and sickeningly coy as they come last night, throwing out innuendo about Kelsey or whomever she saw fit. I hate those kind of people.

      • Noreen says:

        I know what you mean about the innuendo about Kelsey. She has to get a hold of herself and realize she is speaking of her childrens’ father. And I don’t buy her spin that he is gay and their marriage is one of convenience, because if it were, why wouldn’t he just stay in the marriage and continue on in the same fashion.

        • error404 says:

          I love when she told Andy that Kelsey uses the kids as just props! Making your kids feel like their dad is just using them, that mothering 101, right? Way to instill trust Camille!

        • DJ Fruit Loops says:

          this is like the 3rd time he has gotten a younger version and dumped his wife
          the gay rumours started long before he was ever married and right after his relative came out in teh press and accused Kelsey of sexually abusing him as a kid was when Kelsey finally married the first time
          My Gaydar has NEVER been wrong

      • DJ Fruit Loops says:

        your forgeting that she didnt bring up anything about Kelsey she was replying to questions asked by Andy who brought upp the howard stern interview and on that show she was replying to questions asked by Howard
        Innuendo LOL please anyone that just out right believes that man is straight is a lil off to me

  16. error404 says:

    RE: Lisa’s lunch from hell:

    I think what she isn’t getting is Kyle’s position.

    She gets that she is on “team honest” and that Taylor is on “team phony”, but her mistake is her belief that Kyle is solidly on “team honest”.

    It seems obvious to me that Kyle bats for both teams… or is on a 3rd team, “team half-honest, half-phony”. There’s a reason Kyle is friends with Taylor, and it’s not just because she’s been tricked.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      Good point.

      • 2Stupid says:

        Word to your Mother! Spot on Error. I been getting that feeling myself about Kyle. I want to thing she is the puritan in all this, but my BS radar goes off a lot with her. The same way I sometimes feel about Bethenny. I want to believe everything is how she portrays, but something tell me she can play as dirty as the next one. Just my two cents….

    • klmh says:

      I think she is blinded by loyalty. She is one that wants to be needed and she obviously take the position to heart.

    • LilyLynn says:

      I’m thinking Kyle may go the way of Jill Z next season. And just like with Jill, we will look back on season 1 and see all the signs. Did anyone see the coming attractions for next week’s episode with Kyle and Kim fighting in the limo? What did Kim yell that really set Kyle off? I thought I heard her yelling “You stole my house” ????

      • Night Light says:

        I heard clubhouse…?

        • IMJ says:

          Seems like sisterly jealousy.

          • DJ Fruit Loops says:

            after the show had already been done filming and editing someone made an assumption about teh sisters really not liing each othere and i pointed out they are like all sisters they love they fight they make up ect and i got a dm from Kyle thanking me for getting it
            she LOVES Kim sure they fight all siblings do

    • Nappykink says:

      I think that Kyle likes having Taylor around because she boosts her esteem and follows her around like a puppy dog. It’s always nice to be idolized, but I expect this friendship will fall as fast as it was built. Its only fun fo so long. Then Lisa will give us her very best sarcasm in a brilliant talking head moment.

  17. WindyCityWondering says:

    In the back of my mind, I have always felt Taylor is guilty of friendship supterfuge. She desperately wants to belong and gives out bits of nasty information about other women in order to secure her place in the pack. She definately stirred the pot with insecure Camille (Lisa nailed it but didn’t do anything at the time). Taylor constantly goes after Kim because Kim is weak and could expose her antics. Kyle is superficial and Taylor feeds her need for validation. Taylor knows how to manipulate and use people’s weaknesses against them and is in constant fear of being exposed.
    In the world of Queenbees and Wannabees – Taylor is a banker!

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      You are right on the money, WCW.

      • quincyil says:

        In the world of alphas, betas and omegas….Taylor is a beta..
        She’s nipping at the skirts of Lisa and Adrienne the alphas. Kyle…. is a beta… maybe, an alpha minus minus minus. Kim is omega and very confused about what an omega is. I think Camille is rich, but still a beta. Sorry Camille, wanting to cause fights makes you a beta plus plus plus.

        • Pantry Viewer says:

        • Night Light says:

          My only addition is Adrienne is alpha plus. That girl is on a league of her own.

          • klmh says:

            You have peeked my interest. What is it that makes Adrienne an alpha plus to you?
            I am looking at her interaction with the women on the show. I see beta minus, and her relationship with her husband is defensive but playful. I know she is a great competitor, but I see that as competition within herself, and her husband of course.

            • Night Light says:

              I have yet to ANY of the ladies in all RH end a conversation that they were not vested in. Adrienne ended the conversation with Camel because it didn’t concern her. Unless, I have missed it, I haven’t seen insecure behavior. She doesn’t have to kiss and make up with anybody (mind you she hasn’t fought with anybody) because her husband might loose the account. Her intro says it all, money is what she has not who she is. I would add money lets her be herself and answer to no one.

              • Night Light says:

                Add to that, she seems very level headed and in that over used word, authentic. When she called out her husband for going out with the other husbands for drinks after her uncle died rung real to me. I haven’t seen her be condescending to anyone. She bickers with her husband but not in a below the belt kind of way. This lady to me seems very grounded.

                • error404 says:

                  not sure what you mean by “authentic” but the whole scene is what drives me nuts about Adrienne. She had like 1,000,000 opportunities to ask her husband to come with her to her mothers, yet she instead decided the most healthy solution was to wait a day and then once the camera were all set up, tell him and all of america what a shitty husband he is.

                  I think Adrienne is real, A real bitch that is! LOL

                  • Rabble Rouser says:

                    I think the whole situation with Paul going for a bevy instead of going with her to her mothers really kind of boils down to men and women being from different planets.
                    Paul thinks if he was needed or wanted, he should have been asked or told to be there. He probably also wasn’t exactly relishing the though of consoling grieving women.

                    Adrianne thinks he should have been there as a show of support and when it came down to actually doing anything, he could have poured the drinks.

              • klmh says:

                This might be of interest to you: Beta Female
                The Beta Female is the Alpha Female’s right hand woman. A beta will be one of the Apha’s closest friends and one of her most trusted confidants. She knows the Alpha very well perhaps even since childhood. The Beta female will be called upon to voice her opions and her evaluations will most times be valued by the Alpha Female. She also knows when to keep silent and when to talk. She is second in command. A Beta Female will be someone who thinks similarly to the Alpha Female and is unfailingly loyal to her and vice versa. Unfriendly Beta females may be intimadated by the unknown Alpha Female and will either be befriended or create an enemy according to her attitude. A Beta is never an Alpha wannabe, she is comfortable with who she is.

    • klmh says:

      I don’t know. It will be interesting to see what happens next week. I was surprised Taylor was so defensive when she first sat down to the table for lunch. She said something like, comforting a friend to Lisa as well as jealousy, as well as being defensive, at first. And then the hand holding thing as if to say, Lisa, you are not going to break this friendship up. We have missed something. The whole lunch was an eye opener to me.
      Lisa wants things her way. Honesty, no bull shit and I am that type of person too. But you can’t dictate how others handle themselves and telling Taylor she needed to stop with the laughter and get honest was a bit strange. All of us feel we can confide in some people, but not others and obviously Taylor had tried that tactic with Lisa, and it failed.
      I must say, I hope next week answers some questions instead of putting more into the mix.

  18. WSL says:

    Kesley didn’t need the C word in any way to smooth/save his career. “This is 2011 Dumpling,2011”. Betty Davis in “Jezabel”

    BTW While watching Today w/Hoda they shows an the upcoming “whatever the next one”.
    Too many to keep them straight.
    Anyway,a beautiful Latin gal,whose name I don’t know :
    Has on Camille’s red dress !
    That stylist is in trouble !

  19. missmi says:

    Camille has been a hypocrite this whole season. says one thing and does another. I think this whole show backfired on her. She really felt that everybody would love her an understand how hard it is to be Camille and in the end have sympathy for her. In fact, I would bet that the Nick thing is to be on the offensive to what Kelsey has been doing. Her ego is so big that she does’nt want it to look like he went somewhere else for love and sex. This way she can “insinuate” that perhaps she was doing the same with this hot guy.

    Error…… can you explain your point about Kyle. I think I know where your going with it, not sure though.

    • error404 says:

      I think Kyle is a good person who leads a basically decent life, not vindictive, not malicious. I also think she isn’t above being catty. She says bitchy things all the time, like when she oh so innocently and sweetly asked Cedric to tell his story, and then snarked to the camera that it was probably a lie. We’ve also seen her being goaded into saying awful things by Camille, like when she called her delusional and a f-ing liar. Harsh words, but prompted by passive aggressive behavior. Almost a set up.

      I think it’s entire possible that Kyle said “Why would anyone be interested in you without Kelsey”, or something quite close to these words. . God only knows what Camille was saying or doing to prompt this response, but it’s not out of Kyle realm to say such a thing. She may not even realize she said it. She’s obviously a hot head, and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn she says all sorts of things in the heat of anger than she later has no recollection of saying.

      I’m also very suspicious of her sister’s resistance to say “she never said that!”.
      Everything about Kim’s behavior says “Um, ya did say that. But I’m not gonna rat you out cause A. You’re my sister and B. You’ll probably order a hit man to take me out if I don’t back you up, so…” Even when she finally told the camera, it was a sort of carefully worded “Kyle never said those exact words” kind of alibi witnesses come up with later, and cloaked in lots of “oh I don’t remember. When people yell I just go all blank.” kind of excuses. I think she took one for the team.

      • quincyil says:

        During the trip to Hawaii, Camille attended a hospital fundraiser for the hospital that saved Kelsey’s life when he had the heart attack. “Why would anyone want you there when Kelsey was not there?,” would fit so nicely into that discussion.
        The Kelsey Grammer Hospital fundraiser featuring Camille Grammer, but not Kelsey. Kyle would have asked questioned that implied this without saying it too.

        • 2Stupid says:

          Good point Quincy! Also, Error I concur a 100% that Kyle is a good person, I just think she maybe can be unforgiving where Kim is concerned.

          • quincyil says:

            Sister can love each other and still have long memories. I hate it when my three sisters remember my mistakes and remind me of them out of the blue.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          Good point-
          I was thinking that maybe Camille might have been droning on about the paparazzi or something- and Kyle saying it or something like it under those circumstances.

        • twoile says:


      • missmi says:

        I can see that. I always felt that Kyle possibly said something more like “why would friends want to go to Hawaii without both of you” rather than not wanting to go without Kelsey. We have lots of friends that are fun as a couple when my husband and I are together. Not so much if someones other half is’nt apart of it. Doesnt mean we don’t like one or the other better.

        Kim is so not high flutant and I think with this group, including her sister, its obvious she does’nt fit in well. Kyle makes that obvious as well.

      • klmh says:

        In one of next weeks clips, it does seem to lead to Kim agreeing that Kyle said exactly that to Camille about Kelsey.
        Yikes on Kyle making that aggressive move toward her sister. Out of control anger.

        • LilyLynn says:

          I asked up thread a bit, but wondering what Kim yells out to Kyle in the limo – rewinding, still not sure – I thought I heard “You stole my house!” ???

          • klmh says:

            Ooo, I didn’t hear that! I’ll try to find the clip and get back to you.

            • AZ Girl says:

              That is just harsh. I can’t believe that anything that Kim did warrant bring up their mother’s death. Kyle is a bitch for saying what she said.

              • Night Light says:

                In impersonation of the guy screaming “Leave Britnney alone!” I am screaming, “Leave Kim ALONE!” lol I agree with AZ Girl, I can’t imagine her doing anything to have Kyle treat her that way. SO Kim is socially awkward, don’t be “there” and throw it in her face. I like all the girls except Camel and the relationship between Kim and Kyle.

              • twoile says:

                Kyle has mentioned her Moms’ wish 4 her to b close 2 Kim & take care etc. It looks 2 me that Kyle RESENTS Kim & the obligation her Mom put on her. The anger gets placed on Kim , but really belongs to Mom, which of course Kyle could never agree to. No matter what this situation will not b corrected until both can acknowledge the truth of obligation(unfair) resentment (understandable but misdirected) & scapegoating of (Kim by Kyle) serving unhealthy individual needs.

                • lovesfall says:

                  Yes, lots of resentment by Kyle. I agree she feels put upon to “take care of” her sister Kim.

            • LilyLynn says:

              I think there was another preview shown during commercial break of WWHL where Kim yells (whatever she yells) – and Kyle yells back “You take that back!” I’m not sure now and I’ve already deleted WWHL. I did go back and turn on my closed captioning and the preview at the end of HWoBH last night shows Kim yelling “Mom’s a liar” after Kyle makes that cruel comment (about their mom dying and leaving her the burden of Kim.)

              • Night Light says:

                Did anyone notice that Kim’s “blind-date” is in the limo? look at his face! That looks like its going to be an insane finale.

                • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

                  The group in the limo is an odd gathering, Adrienne without her husband, Kyle without her husband, Kim, and then the blind date guy. IMO, very strange.

                • LilyLynn says:

                  Night Light: Lol – I knew he looked familar, but couldn’t place him. Guess he went back for a second helping of crazy 🙂

              • LilyLynn says:

                Okay – not that I’m obsessing over this or anything lol – I googled and found this:


                Quoting from it here:
                “It is Easter!! We are informed that Kyle Richards and Kim Richards always go to Palm Dessert to their mom’s home. Not sure who owns the home now? Did you catch that piece of information? Is it Kyle’s or do they share the home?”

                I forgot about that house (and Kim’s special potatoes.) So maybe I’m not completely off base on what I “think” I heard.

          • Scorpiosue1102 says:

            I need to see and hear the whole conversation before I am going to pass judgment on either Kyle or Kim. It doesn’t look pretty though.

        • quincyil says:

          kmlh, I want soothsayer points for that guess. rotfl

  20. HD says:

    Will someone please explain to me how Taylor stirred stuff up with Camille at the inamous New York Trip? I am so lost. I didn’t think Taylor said much of anything. I need to watch it again. I just never saw Taylor as someone that started trouble.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO, while the others were getting ready for dinner, Taylor took the opportunity to fill Camille in on the conversations at the airport – she is insecure, projecting, etc. She probably embellished alittle, made sure Camille knew she didn’t feel that way herself, and set the stage for Camille to question Kyle’s sincerity in her smooth it over/apology. Taylor baited the trap and Kyle walked into it! Taylor never owns up to her part and that is why she went after Kim at dinner to distract the others away from her behavior.

    • 2Stupid says:

      Right after Camille’s and Kyle’s pow wow, she and Camille spoke. She basically insinuated that Camille was talked about the whole trip to NY and how they were saying that she was insecure. As true as that probably is (Camille being insecure) that got Camille all stirred up again. The thing is that Camille was not the topic of converstation the whole trip and if Taylor hadn’t stirred the pot the whole blow up in NY may not have happened.

    • quincyil says:

      Camille stayed in Taylor’s suite when the other ladies went to freshen up before dinner. Here and there in the show, we saw that Taylor had discussed the fight with Lisa on the airplane and Kim on the ground waiting for the plane. The ladies come back to meet for dinner and out of the blue Camille starts asking questions about things the ladies discussed with Taylor, but Taylor denies she said things that were recorded and shown to us.

      Yikes…. I actually knew this?

    • Noreen says:

      I beleive what happened was in two parts during the NY trip. In the aiport on the way to NY, Taylor brought up that Camille was insecure (Bravo only showed a small clip of the conversation). And while at the hotel, after Camille and Kyle made up in the hallway, it seems (and help me out folks) that Camilled stayed in Taylor’s room and told her how the “other” ladies were saying Camille was insecure during a conversation in the airport. All the while, it was Taylor making those comments. Again, I am doing this from total recall, so please straighten me out if I have this wrong.

      • HD says:

        Thank you! I guess I totally missed that! I did not know Taylor was talking to Camille about what was said. I am so gonna watch that again. Well no wonder Camille flipped out again at the dinner. I could not understand how she went from making up back to crazy so fast.

      • klmh says:

        Actually the first time the word insecure was used, it was used by Kim, not Taylor. I think Taylor said insensitive, or something. The conversation was at the airport and Taylor looked like she initiated the conversation, and Kim used “insecure” at that time.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I remember Kim asking Taylor if she thought Kim was insecure and Taylor saying “Yes”. I think this is why Taylor keeps saying that Kim baited her, when really she just asked her if that was her opinion.

          • lovesfall says:

            That’s how I saw too. Kim did ask, because she knew Taylor had been around Camille more, and therefore might have better insight to help them all get to the bottom of what wasbelieved to be a misunderstanding. Then Taylor later realized what a can of worms she had opened with what is apparently Camillle’s ‘hot button’ word of insecure and tried to spin the airport discussion so it looked like she had nothing to do with gossip about Camille.

            • klmh says:

              All I can say is its on tape. I cant tell you why or what was going thru their heads when they said it, its just there on tape to view.

          • klmh says:

            The first time the word was used was when Kim used it, not Taylor. She may have agreed, but was not the first to use the word, she used another word of description, then Kim used insecure.

            • klmh says:

              Baiting Taylor as T. has commented to Kim? No, not in my mind, just an innocent comment, but with their relationship in the crapper one word can set off a firestorm.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      You are all spot-on. I wonder if, hopefully, this will be taken on at the reunion? Yes, yes, Camille is vile. That’s obvious. But so is Taylor in her way and no one seems to be catching onto it or acknowledging it, which is irritating me immensely as you can see from my 11 posts on it this morning – LOL!

      • klmh says:

        Im not ready to hang Taylor yet. If you think she is vile because she and Camille talked about what the ladies were talking about on the plane, then ok. But if she was telling the truth, as we know she was, should she be blamed? If you are asked a question, do you tell the truth, or lie? Since Camille believed Kyle said that to her (Hawaii issue), do you think she was just looking for more ammunition and trying to make more of this than there was in the discussion with Taylor?
        And also, we have seen Camille talk with Adrienne at lunch, and we know she hears what she wants to hear. Hell, all of us do that every day. I am not giving Taylor her halo yet, but there is a lot more to this story.

        • Pantry Viewer says:

          Good point, klmh. But my issue that to me makes her vile is how she goes absolutely ballistic on Kim when this issue raises its head. Kim is calmly pointing out the sequence of who said what. Taylor completely runs Kim into the ground, because she can, to turn attention away from the fact that Taylor did contribute to the conversation/gossip.

          Heck, I don’t blame her for the gossip/discussion itself. Not at all. I’m not that innocent, girl! What makes me crazy is that Taylor takes Kyle’s lead in decimating Kim for daring to speak. It makes me furious. Kim is insecure and a little odd, and I feel for her. For Taylor to do that to Kim, to cover her own ass, makes me lose all respect for her and makes me angry.

          • klmh says:

            Maybe I saw it differently, but every time the camera catches Taylor saying something its in response to what Kim said first. Like T. asking A. to stop the hate fest at Camille’s dinner table. After she asked her, Kim said in a pretty mean way, why don’t you do it, and then the retort, and so on. Same thing at the table in NYC. Kim said T. used the word insecure and started that argument.
            Another thought is that Kyle is defending Taylor and I think she is privy to more information about the actions of her sisters animosity to T.
            I think K. is jealous of Kyle’s friendships.

  21. quincyil says:

    I wonder if Kathy Hilton wants the large check back after Kim told the planet that Kyle cried for days because the Hiltons left the country at the last moment rather than be with Farrah on her big day.

  22. klmh says:

    To those of you with Blackberrys:

  23. Noreen says:

    Do you think the Hiltons think the show is beneath them or is their some jealousy?

    • quincyil says:

      I think Mr. Hilton, Paris’s father, may be less enthused than Kathy Hilton and Paris. I haven’t researched him, but Paris has been a hand full and a father might not want more publicity.

      It seemed like a sudden trip to Caan for the entire Hilton family. Paris is an adult, she could have chosen to go to the her first cousin’s event. My guess is, Kyle invited them and thought they were coming, but close to the event, they cancelled. Kim was cryptic on the phone so I think she knows more, but did not share on national TV. I think it really had to do with the event being filmed for Bravo. Farrah is going along with all of this, but she doesn’t seem enthused either. That is just my feeling from her behavior this season.

      • HD says:

        I think Paris has brough enough publicity to the family and not in a good way. I don’t think the parents want or need any more.

        • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

          Also neither Paris or Nicky Hilton went to college. I don’t think Paris even finished HS. I’m not saying this is the reason the Hiltons did not attend the graduation ceremony and party, but it might be a small part of their decision.

          • Amber...Real Wife says:

            Bingo! Totally agree. It was a major milestone, the first grandchild to graduate college and they all disappear to Cannes…

      • Debbie says:

        Is it possible that the graduation ceremony happened around the same time that the son (Conrad) got into trouble and they left the country to avoid anymore bad press?

  24. boston02127 says:

    Great recap. Thanks Lynn.

  25. boston02127 says:

    Real Life
    You don’t have to actually answer the questions. Just ponder on them. Just read
    straight through and you’ll get the point.
    1. Name the five wealthiest people in the world.
    2. Name the last five Heisman trophy winners.
    3. Name the last five winners of the Miss America pageant.
    4. Name ten people who have won the Nobel or Pulitzer Prize.
    5. Name the last half dozen Academy Award winners for best actor and actress.
    6. Name the last decade’s worth of World Series winners.
    How did you do?

    The point is, none of us remembers the headliners of yesterday. These are no second-rate achievers. They are the best in their fields. But the applause dies. Awards tarnish. Achievements are forgotten. Accolades and certificates are buried with their owners.

    Here’s another quiz. See how you do on this one:
    1. List a few teachers who aided your journey through school.
    2. Name two friends who have helped you through a difficult time.
    3. Name five people who have taught you something worthwhile.
    4. Think of a few people who have made you feel appreciated and special.
    5. Think of five people you enjoy spending time with.
    The lesson: The people who make a difference in your life are not the ones with the
    most credentials, the most money…or the most awards. They simply are the ones who care the most. Pass this on to those people who have either made a difference in your life or who you keep close in your heart, like I did.

  26. Jane says:

    Any sympathy I had for Camille went out the window when she went public on national news claiming Kelsey was a cross-dresser. The move was idiotic and only served to make her look desperate and foolish. I don’t feel for the kids as much as the kids weren’t raised by Camille or Kelsey. The consistency in their lives comes from 4 nannies.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Agree with everything except the “any sympathy I had for Camille” part. I’ve never had any and never will.

  27. LeaLea says:

    I’m a longtime reader–but never really posted on the website. I just have to say that I don’t see where all the Taylor hate is coming from. Although I don’t agree about the pot-stirring insecure comment, is that enough to make so many people really dislike her as much as they do? Based on my reading the blog for months, it seems like the hate started with her party–then just kept excalating over really little things. Also, it seems like everyone seems to forget that Camille wasn’t just upset about the talk of her being insecure in the airport, but the fact that Kyle actually used the word “insecure” when speaking to Camille in the hotel room while they were making up.
    IMO Lisa has said and done way more offensive stuff than Taylor–her comments about the people at the DMV, her game with Cedric of not letting him get in the car while she kept driving away, her constantly holding over his head the fact that he lives in her house and her being all demanding about Kim calling Martin (I think a man should call a women too). She has just turned me off from day one. Also, when you think about it, she made comments about Faye too–one of Kyle’s friends. Maybe she is jelouse and doesn’t want Kyle to have any friends. She seems way possessive and she doesn’t seem sorry for or take responsiblity for any of the things that she does.

    • LeaLea says:

      Sorry for the misspellings :(. I know you guys are sticklers.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO, both Lisa and Adrienne are somewhat different in both lifestyles and life choices than the other women. Adrienne thinks the drama isn’t worth commenting on and Lisa makes fun of it.

      • LeaLea says:

        With regard to Adrienne, i can see where you are coming from. Sometimes I wonder though why she even signed on to do the show if she was going to keep it and the cast members at a distance.

        • klmh says:

          Trying to get more business for their casino in Las Vegas…

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            That’s what I think too- as well as bring attention to some of the recording artists on her lable.

            I can totally understand why she is not going to fall into this trap of BS. When you are trying to secure multimillion dollar investors for various business ventures the last thing you need to be doing is getting into petty cat fights.

    • klmh says:

      Don’t worry about your spelling. We can decipher most stuff now and are getting pretty good at it. Just kidding. Everyone makes mistakes around here. The person that used to complain has left the building.
      Anyway, I agree with you on your thoughts about Taylor, but next week might answer some questions.
      I love Lisa though. She is my favorite housewife.

      • Night Light says:

        Yes, Lisa is my favorite. I learn something about her in every episode. For instance not swallowing goes against everything she’s been taught. 😉

        • klmh says:

          Im afraid to ask, but what did she mean?

        • California35 says:

          yeah it was cute.

          I have a question about the whine tasting – do you really spitt it out? I thought you can taste and drink what you sipped unless you didn’t like it. I would throw away what is in the glass if I got more than I wanted to taste.

    • error404 says:


      – whines a lot to the camera that her husband doesn’t make her happy, but refuses to ever do anything about it. It’s dull and annoying. If you love him, make it work. If you don’t, leave him. Simple. But no, it’s all whine, whine, whine, poor, poor, me. She loves to play the helpless victim.

      – seems to have an odd relationship with her kid. She threw the girl a party and gave her a gift, neither of which the kid seemed to have even the slightest of interest in. Had they just met? When the kid instantly loved the father’s present, Taylor acted like it was a direct insult to her personally, and has been trying to get rid of the present ever since.

      -When the kid turned out to be allergic to the dog, she told the husband it was all his fault. Her exact words. “It’s all your fault!”. Um, hello, did he inject some sort of secret dog allergy into the kid? Gee Taylor, if the dog had been your idea and the kid turned out to be allergic, would it then have been all your fault? No, or course not.

      – her “Kyle’s my new BFF” act would carry more weight if it wasn’t just a week or so ago that she went to lunch with Camille and sat there nodding her head, mumbling “yeah. yeah.” in total agreement while Camille trashed Kyle as a lying jealous bitch.

      • LeaLea says:

        I can see how one could be put off by Taylor highlighting the flaws in her marraige–but I personally don’t take it as whining. I think it makes her more realistic in that she’s not trying to pretend that things are perfect when they are not.
        And about the dog–I tend to agree with her that the allegic reaction was it was his fault–they discussed the issue before and decided not to get the kid a dog. That’s a big marriage NO NO–you don’t agree with your spouse not to do something, then go behind their back and do it. Especially when it makes you look like the good guy to your kids and your spouse the bad guy for being practical about things.
        But I guess just as I favor Taylor over Lisa, I can see that some things that Taylor has done has allowed people to favor Lisa and Kyle (who I think is very mean) over Taylor. I was just wondering if what she’s done was really “all that bad” for people to be so “anti Taylor.” Even these things that you just mentioned seem kind of small.

        • Night Light says:

          I not put off by Taylor but she does need help. She needs some counseling to help her with childhood trauma which I think has affected her marriage. I wonder if her husband knew what she was exposed to as a child. When she gave her speech he kind of seemed surprised. Her girlfriend of MANY years didn’t know. Taylor needs help so that she can communicate what she needs from her husband.

          • klmh says:

            I don’t mean to be argumentative, but why don’t you think she has brought this up to him and he just doesn’t care? I would bet she has, but I don’t see him changing anytime in the future, do you?

            • Night Light says:

              I don’t know why. But I can say from experience not everyone reacts to abuse the same way. Sometimes, a person doesn’t even realize that they are white-knuckling it through life. That’s all they know, how to survive. So if Taylor is complaining GOOD there is a pulse there and maybe seeing herself on tv is what it takes to realize she is not living the life she wants. Now Cedric, I don’t see a reason not to believe why his story is not true so I am choose to believe it. If anyone on a reality show should of learned by now is that people will dig into your past. Having said that, I think it has become a crutch for him. I have seen people have horrendous childhoods and never get past it and everything that goes bad in life as far as they are concerned is because of it.

              • Night Light says:

                I was just thinking about Cedric saying he is a product of rape and how that must fester in his mind.

                • Night Light says:

                  KMH there are certain life experiences that help you process what you see and then you to draw a conclusion. I hate to be too vague.

                • California35 says:

                  My heart went to him when he said that… 😦 poor thing, I imagined him growing up also and felt so sad for him 😦

                  I don’t like how Lisa feels like she needs to support him completely though. I hope he gets some help so he can be better, Lisa has done a lot for him and her husband is getting sick of it. I think that is the problem, that Lisa could or should help if she wants to, but not on everything and forever.

              • klmh says:

                I understand what you are saying about Taylor. One time she said, they told us to keep it real and I am, so I think thats why we are seeing her in this light.
                She seems to have a good sense of self with Kim anyway! Ha!
                Cedric is off my radar.

        • error404 says:

          I think she is confusing two different issues.

          She didn’t know the kid was allergic anymore than he did. She just didn’t want the dog because she didn’t want to take care of it. She came right out and said so.

          I completely agree that he shouldn’t have gotten the dog if she had said no. But he in no way, shape or form caused the kid to have an allergic reaction to the dog. It is not his fault that the kid is allergic. It’s not anyone’s fault.

          By saying it was his fault, Taylor was just showing how petty and small she is, how illogical and mean spirited and sorry, I can’t agree that these are “little things”. It’s not like the other housewives are murdering people! lol

          All she does is complain. For what it’s worth, this bothers me about other HWs too. Tamara, Nene, etc… Women who go on national tv to discuss with the general public how put upon they are that they have to live with the very same men they married out of their own free will. The whole thing is just one big ploy to get a better divorce settlement IMHO. That’s just my gut reaction. This isn’t my close friend sharing “oh, and he leaves the toilet seat up too!” stories with me over coffee. This is a grown woman who knows she’s on tv, telling all of america that her husband can’t make her happy. At best, it’s TMI.

          • error404 says:

            oh, and how could I forget. When she was blaming him for the dog, making her unhappy, and global warming and everything else, she was doing so on an expense sofa set she went out and brought and installed in the house with out even telling him!

            R: “What’s this?”
            T: “This? Oh just some $10,000 couch I bought behind your back. Now, let’s get back to discussing all the ways you disappoint me.” LOL

  28. TLM says:

    My one strongest thought from last night was, when is Nick’s wife going to man up and tell him that if he kisses Camille one more time, she’s going to kick him in the balls and dump his ass, using the footage from RH to get every dime he’s earned from his C-list acting jobs?? And when is she going to tell Camille to back off of her husband? It wasn’t enough for her to kiss Nick in front of Trish at that hotel room, she had to ASK him for an additional kiss on the lips, and then made this lascivious expression afterward as she sashayed away. His WIFE is fucking standing right behind you, you horrid woman.

    If Lisa “knows everyone” in high-society BH, the answer to The Cedric Problem is simple: get him a job as a live-in celebrity assistant and be done with him. That’s really the job he should have, since he follows her around, but he needs more duties and responsibilities which he would have if he were a proper assistant and not just a hanger-on. If he gets fired from the job you got him, be sympathetic but don’t take him back in. Done and done.

    I’m sympathetic to Taylor. I see a whole lot of people all of a sudden think she’s evil incarnate, but I don’ get that. I think she and Kyle are developing a nice friendship and Lisa is turning weirdly possessive. Perhaps she feels if Cedric leaves and Kyle has found a new friend, she won’t have anyone to talk to. Don’t worry Lisa, you still know “everyone” in Beverly Hills.

    The scene with Camille’s quasi-daughter at the dance studio was cute, although I doubt the little girl knew that the Botoxed lady sitting on the sidelines was her legal guardian, since she has spent 99% of her time with the dance instructor and her 4 nannies.

    I think the Hiltons didn’t want to be on camera for whatever reason, and used the Cannes trip as an excuse, but I don’t really think their absence mattered much to Farrah. WTF was that plant they gave her?? It just looked weird to me. Why not just send a gorgeous bouquet of flowers. I thought that $12K ring for a 22-year old was simply crazy. Mauricio does well but he’s no Donald Trump. They have 3 daughters yet to put through school and all their other expenses. I would hope the Umanskys are smarter about money than most of these people, and I’m sure they got a break on the price in exchange for the publicity for the 14 Karat Store, but still. Does anyone else think that jewelry store looked very downmarket, like it should be next store to a check-cashing place? Didn’t look like the kind of store that sells $12K rings.

  29. WindyCityWondering says:

    The limo promo has me wondering if once again Kim fails her sister. So I am figuring for another Kyle takes the hit situation and Kim gives another lame excuse for not coming to her aid – three strikes and you get called out!
    And was that Martin in the limo that Kyle jumped over?

  30. TLM says:

    Did an earlier post which isn’t showing up yet, but to add to that, I agree with Kyle that whatever Taylor may have said — which I don’t personally believe she did — but for argument’s sake, if she did, Camille is still responsible for her own actions. And basically she just kept accusing Kyle of something Kyle didn’t say.

    • Katie says:

      As long as that same rule applies to Kyle – I don’t care what Kim said in the limo or what happened in that preview clip – Kyle physically charging towards Kim as an adult grown ass woman and bringing up the dead mother, how Kyle responded to Camille’s odd behavior and that just escalated the whole stupid fight and repeatedly shuts Kim down. When is Kyle going to own her actions and start controlling her temper?

    • error404 says:

      “And basically she just kept accusing Kyle of something Kyle didn’t say.”

      No. Basically she just kept accusing Kyle of something Kyle SAYS she didn’t say.

      Unless you were there and know what Kyle did or did not say, in which case, please dish!

    • Lily says:

      LeaLea also noticed this too. If you watch the episode again when Kyle and Camille talk to each other in NY at the hotel, before seeing Kelsey’s show and without the others, one of the last things Kyle says to Camille is that Kyle thinks Camille is insecure. The rest of the housewives leave the room. Taylor stays behind and tells Camille what happened on the trip to NY and again Camille hears that Kyle has said she thinks Camille is insecure. That’s when Camille decides to not let Kyle get away with saying it and confronts her at dinner.
      I think it was good Camille confronted Kyle. Surely by now all of the housewives have watched that episode too and heard Kyle say Camille is insecure. That is probably why Kyle is accepting Camille’s apology to just get it behind her. Kyle seems to me to be a bit of a hot head. She certainly jumps all over poor Kim a lot. You would think a loyal sister would be more kind.

  31. Rabble Rouser says:

    Hi Family,
    Sorry that I haven’t posted in a few days but I was a bit behind in my television watching and since it’s obviously the topic in the blogs I didn’t want to visit until I watched the show.

    That being said- Thank Gosh Jamie is gone from Top Chef- I was growing tried of watching her dodge bullets. My husband who doesn’t watch the show (when really he kind of does under protest) even said it was time for her to go-he actually hope it would be her and Marcel because ‘everyone hates them- and they are the most annoying’.


    Lisa is 100% right about Taylor- while she wasn’t the face of the fiasco in NY- she was certainly a hand in it . Although, I am not too sure why she would care about Kyle cultivating friendship with Taylor unless she thinks Taylor might put a bug in Kyle’s ear in regards to Lisa.
    I also don’t know why she was trying to get Taylor to open up to her about her marriage when it’s becoming apparent they aren’t close, it came across as very insincere and almost like she was trying to weave herself into Taylor’s boring ass story line. I don’t know why she would bother with that nonsense.

    I also thought it was really weird of Paul to start randomly talking to Mauricio’s mom (and I can see where he got his good looks btw) and Mauricio qualifying it by listing his mothers credentials. It’s like the BH franchise is trying to create their version of “Gloria” -the mom of which everyone seeks council of. Hopefully, it works better for her that it did for “Mother is not happy”.

    Unless it was something wonky with the editing, it came across as incredibly rude of Paul to start making plastic surgery recommendations. I don’t think if I was having lunch with someone and they started to tell me everything that was ‘wrong’ with my appearance and the type of work I needed I would have been able to hide my shock and displeasure.

    Congratulations to Farrah on her accomplishment.

    I really didn’t like the ring Kyle picked out, I just don’t see a young girl in a large cocktail ring. I would be thinking more along the lines of some diamond stud earnings or a trip to Cabo.

    • LilyLynn says:

      I agree about the cocktail ring being an odd gift for college grad. Think Kyle picked it out for herself anyway- she even said something like “if I like it, I figure she’ll like it.” Later (in another interview after Farrah got the ring), Kyle seems like she was a little disappointed that Farrah didn’t make more of a fuss and have a larger reaction over the ring. Someone needs to ask Farrah how many times her mom has borrowed it so far.

    • California35 says:

      I forgot about that…when she was buying the ring, I wondered if her daughter was into the jewlry as much as she is. Would she like it? Personally I think she would have liked the money instead, or a trip to Europe or any other place… like other kids go when they graduate college. I am sure she could use the money though…unless Kyle gave her money on top of the ring?

  32. lovesfall says:

    OK, here’s my take on things…it might get long, apologize in advance. First of all, thanks Lynne for a great blog and place to read what others think about my little guilty pleasure; since none of my “real-life friends” get my obsession with the HWs, and share my thoughts too.

    Adrienne: Basically stable, the voice of reason, and somewhat ‘above’ all th HW drama though she does tend to keep her mouth shut like at the lunch with Camille. I would have been jumping across the table at some of the things C was saying about Kyle and her ‘attacking’ C. As far as her marriage, I see it as two fairly independent people who don’t always see eye to eye and have different styles. She doesn’t have to depend on Paul for anything, not financial stability, not caring for the kids, or household duties. So there’s some disconnect going on there. The bickering is a little over the top, but I get it. Sometimes my husband and I (OK, much of the time) don’t agree and can get into some heated discussions. I think the bickering is what’s ‘drama’ in their life and what gets shown. It would be boring to watch them always getting along. But they do have fun sometimes too. How many of us would have jokingly shaken a fist if our husbands pushed us into a pool? How many would have cursed him out?

    Lisa: Wow, this woman really seems to have it together. A long-term marriage, grown kids who seem to really love their mother (even if her son has some issues), successful businesses, and “the lifestyle” all with an amazingly down-to-earth attitude and sense of humor and she’s not afraid to get her hands dirty so to speak. She’s not afraid to tell it like it is, and go there even if it’s just poking fun at herself. I think she’s insightful and her discussion with Kyle was, like another poster pointed out, her way of telling Kyle to be careful how much she trusts Taylor because she feels T did stir the pot with Camille and may have been spinning the trip and discussions of C on the way to NYC to take some of the responsibility away from herself. Not sure how I feel about the Cedric situation. If his early life was like he relates, I understand her reaction to him. She sees him as that injured insecure child and perhaps has let him get away with being a bit immature and let him take advantage of her and Ken’s generosity. He needs some tough love.

    Kim: EXTREMELY introverted. I think she really missed a large part of her adolesence and normal maturing. She never learned how to relate to other people or get along in a group, and is therefore really uncomfortable in a group setting. She really did devote herself to her kids after she ‘retired’ from acting, and never fostered friendships, and doesn’t have a support structure except her kids and to an extent, her sister Kyle. When she attempts to “have Kyle’s back” she gets drawn into an argument with Taylor because she wants to let everyone know that the information they got about Camille being insecure came, in large part, from Taylor. Then it deteriorates into name-calling because she doesn’t know how to “fight fair” and make her point when all is crashing aroung her.

    Taylor: Hmmmm…. Don’t know what she sees in her husband (and quite frankly, vice versa). He seems to be quite a dud, but obviously has deep pockets. She wants/needs attention (remember Kennedy’s Bday bash?) and isn’t getting it from Russell. There is NO communication in their relationship. She wants her own way. He wants his. He usually gets his way. I don’t think he knows how to have any fun, and she seems to want to, and is often forced to go/be alone (Las Vegas when he went on business during the trip) or leave when she doesn’t want to go yet, making her resentful. She absolutely was dishing on Camille in the airport/on the plane because up to that point, she had had the most interaction with and insight into C and the other ladies were asking about her. No harm no foul, but then she proceeds to spin it to C like the other ladies were discussing C, and T had no input into the discussions. Someone else hit it on the head when they wrote she picks fights with Kim because she wants to divert the attention from the fact she WAS dishing on Camille, and because Kim’s the easiest target. Kyle most certainly does not have Kim’s back though she insists Kim have her’s.

    Kyle: ENOUGH of the Mom told me to take care of Kim BS. Kim’s a big girl, and while as her sister, Kyle should try to help and support her, she doesn’t need to be responsible for her. I think their mom knew how emotionally needy Kim was and how difficult it is for her to build relationships and wanted Kyle to try to help her. Not try to run her life. We really haven’t seen Kyle be there for Kim, she bullies her and tries to make decisions for her, she certainly makes fun of her and criticizes her alot – both to her face and behind her back. That’s not looking out for someone. As far as her life, Kyle seems to have it together personally, too. She has what appears to be a great marriage, a husband she loves and obviously loves her in return, well-behaved kids that she cares for primarily herself (though she has to have a ‘sitter/nanny’ cause she has a LOT of free time to travel/lunch), and amazing personal style (IMHO, though I also feel she needs to stop playing with her hair so much, lol). She does have a tendency to shoot from the hip and make comments quickly without maybe thinking them thorugh. I remember in the episode before we were shown the Kyle/Camille blow-up, Kyle was shopping and in a voice-over related that in the discussion that led to it, she was asking C about her Easter plans, and when she found out C was going to Hawaii alone, she stated that she (Kyle) wouldn’t want to go on a vacation like that without Kelsey if she were Camille. I get that, I wouldn’t want to go on a ‘family’ vacation, to a fund-raiser for a hospital that cared for my husband and spend time with my husband’s friends (remember the guy in the hot tub?) without my husband there. This is where I think Camille misunderstood and believes Kyle questions why anyone would want Camille around without Kelsey. She may have heard variations of this throughout her marriage (stepping out of my husband’s shadow, anyone?) and is somewhat sensitive about the subject. Which leads me to….

    Camille: What a hot mess this chick is. Delusions of granduer anyone? She was a dancer on Club MTV (and apparently on the Bar Mitzvah circuit, lol) and had a minute part in Howard Stern’s movie. Someone introduced her and Kelsey and WHAM-O she struck gold. Yes, she stuck by him through rehab, but what choice did she have? She goes from obscurity to being married to one of the most well-known actors (notice I didn’t write best) of the era. He had money, and was pulling it in hand over fist with Frasier and then his production company. I don’t necessaily believe C had as much to do with that as she’d like us to believe. She has homes all over the world, can buy anything she wants, staff to do everything from a house manager, chefs/cooks, drivers, stylists, personal shoppers and make-up artists to 4 nannies (they have rotating shifts? does she EVER care for her own kids?) for 2 children that she had a surrogate for. Forget caring for the children, does this woman do ANYTHING for herself? Yet she claims to have 3 times as much to do as a normal housewife – must be exhausting to manage that staff, huh, Camille? Who needs a pool boy when one has Nick? I can’t imagine what most husbands would have to say about their wives playing tennis in the middle of the day with this hottie not to mention riding off into the sunset on his crotch rocket (pun intended – does Nick have a job?). Her best friend is also her make-up artist who also lived in her guest house when she fell on hard times. She doesn’t drink but is seen slamming back tequila shots (and champaign, and whatever those drinks in the fishbowls were, etc.). Miss I don’t have a lot of female friends – ya think – because women are jealous of me. Maybe they didn’t like the way you hung all over/kissed their boyfriends/husbands on the lips and danced in front of them like a stripper or paraded in fron of them in a bikini while talking with them about your breast enhancements? Perhaps it was your ENORMOUS ego – there just isn’t space in the room for it and girlfriends too. Maybe it’s the passive/aggressive bit, I know I HATE that. Or the backhanded compliments/comments. Or maybe it’s just that you don’t have a clue how to have a relationship with someone who isn’t indebted to you in some way and therefore kisses your ass. Ever hear of forgive and forget? When you talk something out with someone and accept their apology you cannot then bring up the subject endlessly from that point forward. When you agree to disagree, it doesn’t mean you then have to publicly disagree with that person every time you see them – beat a dead horse much? You most certainly do not invite someone into your home with a guest of their own and proceed to take pot shots at said guest and encourage your ‘psych(ot)ic’ friend to ‘verbally abuse’ another guest and then be surprised when all hell breaks loose and you are called on it. There has obviously been emotional disconnect going on between Camille and Kelsey for quite some time. In the first episode, we see her clinging as he is more than happy to be going across the country for a year. We then see more evidence of this disconnect in the NY apartment and backstage after the play. It appears they don’t know how to interact with each other. She definitely connects with Nick much more easily! Then we hear that Kelsey called her and is contemplating a permanent move to NYC, knowing that Camille doesn’t want to live there permanently – READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL!!! Yet she was shocked by the phone call telling her the marriage was over? That marriage was over long ago, and she knew it, and if anyone was jealous, it was Camille of Kyle and what appears to be a “perfect” marriage. Yes, Kyle and Mauricio may be lower in the ‘pecking order’ according to Camille, but they obviously have entree into the same society as Camille, and Kyle has fame (a modest amount, but some fame nonetheless) on her own, not only was she a child/adolescent actress, but she is the aunt to one of the most well-known names in the world. And people LIKE her – she has real girlfriends who aren’t on the payroll, lol. In othe words, Kyle has everything Camille doesn’t have, and desperately wants and tells us she has – just because you say it, Camille, doesn’t make it so. It’s no wonder this acquaintance imploded.

    Whew, stepping down from the soapbox now. Thanks to anyone who had the stamina to read all that!

    • Debbie says:

      Clap Clap clap clap!!! Well written and right on!!

    • MSU Chicago says:

      Wow! Good thoughts, especially about Kyle. I was typing my comment and I hit the “back” button, lost what I was writing, and then I saw your post. You are right, I am sick of hearing the mom dying comment, because it isn’t like she is with Kim 24/7. It is obvious that Kyle has her own life, with a husband, children, and time to spend shopping and going out with her friends. Obviously taking care of Kim isn’t a full time job. It broke my heart when during the confessional, Kim stated that Kathy couldn’t make it, but she was there. Kim seems to try to stick up for Kyle, but the reverse not so much. Kyle yells at Kim that she doesn’t have her back, and yells at her some more when Kim questions Taylor’s part in the situation. Kim may not be the best defender, but hell, she is at least trying. Maybe Kyle is a bit jealous that Kim was the star of the family, but get over it.

      Maybe it is Lisa that loses her cool during the reunion? She called out Taylor to Kyle in the beginning of the episode and I loved that. It is weird that Kyle didn’t want Lisa to say anything to Taylor. Lisa has been her friend longer and from what we have seen so far Lisa is level headed, and I doubt she would have gone bat shit crazy at her own restaurant. It may have been the only way it could have been brought up civilly, especially since we saw what will be going on next week.

      • Nancy says:

        What I thought was strange was that Lisa didn’t even know that Taylor was joining them. If Lisa was the one that asked Kyle to lunch wasn’t it rude of Kyle to invite Taylor to begin with?

        • California35 says:

          It was rude, in my opinion.

        • lovesfall says:

          Yep, rude to invite someone on a lunch date with someone else without first making sure it is ok with the first person. Looks like in one of the previews that Kim is trying to tell Kyle that Lisa and Taylor aren’t her friends, and Lisa especially takes exception to that. Should be a wild ride of a final episode…and looks like it’s supersized; apparently a new final episode trend!!

          • MSU Chicago says:

            It was absolutely rude, in my opinion! That is why I hope that next week verifies it. Though it will not. I think we know what will happen…

    • California35 says:

      Wow – did you take a break while writing all of that? 😛 I did read it all and I agree with all of it. I wish I can articulate all that is in my mind this way (and even add the funny coments in between :-))

      • lovesfall says:

        LOL, thanks…nope, no breaks, just flying fingers trying to get out everyuthing I’ve been wanting to say for MONTHS, but never have an outlet!

        • It's Hot In Texas says:

          I also thought it was wierd that Russell dropped Taylor off. She said that he had a crazy schedule, but they were together on a weekday at lunch? Was Taylor planning on spending the day with Kyle?

  33. Adgirl says:

    Kyle, you love to play both sides of the street don’t you??

    “Hmmmm. Lisa ,Taylor, Lisa, Taylor, who gets to sit by me at lunch today…?”

    I think you are going to get run over in the middle of that street by a big truck with FIGHT OVER ME painted on the side. Lisa will be driving it.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      LOL I love it.

    • quincyil says:

      I thought holding hands like that was reminiscent of children. She’s my friend and we have secrets. Lisa had a right to dislike that kind of behavior. It showed that Kyle and Taylor are not respectful of Lisa. Keeping secrets and laughing when your friend don’t know the secret is simply wrong when three people are at lunch. Also, I think Taylor just showed up without an invitation when Lisa was paying and that is not polite.

  34. Zipit Zarin says:

    Why would Kim say in the limo that she wanted to be far away from Kyle? Like she’s afraid of Kyle getting physical with her. Kyle protests too much. Then things escalate and Kyles goes after her physically! Methinks it’s happened before. Maybe that is why Kim is such a hot mess. Kyle is always on her ass to get herself together, say the right thing, have her back etc. and when Kim doesn’t act the way Kyle wants her to, she explodes. Who wouldn’t be a hot mess living with that?

    • MSU Chicago says:

      Bingo! Kim acts like an abused child. If not physically, obviously mentally.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      I am already sick and tired of Kyle saying she promised her mother she would take care of Kim and what a BUURDEN it is. Okay, then stop doing … whatever it is Kyle thinks she is doing for her. But blasting Kim whenever Kyle feels like it in such an embarrassing manner is getting old pretty quickly for me. Her bitch scale zooms from about 0 to 100 in seconds flat where Kim is concerned. I’m over it.

      • Adgirl says:

        I agree! It’s shameful to keep bringing that up – is Kyle trying to make Kim feel that she worried her mother to death??

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        I was old for me the first time she said it. Announcing that she’s taking care of Kim…telling the whole world that Kim needs taking care of in the first place. THAT isn’t taking care of Kim. It set the tone for the rest of the show. And she’s kept it up reminding everyone what a f’up Kim is …according to Kyle.

    • kotagirl29 says:

      I have six sisters and one brother. Lucky him huh? I have good relationships with some sisters and REALLY bad ones with others. Two of my sisters are identical twins. I have seen these two literally on the floor pulling each others hair out and slapping, kicking whatever, but let anyone (including another sister) start in on them and watch out, the claws will be turned your way. Its like that with all of us and I have said it to many people, “Its okay for me to call my sister a bitch, but its not okay for you.
      Real Housewives is all about survival of the fittest. Kim is the weaker one and everyone else goes after her because they know that she is incapable of fighting back.

  35. Adgirl says:

    Her parents must have bickered alot. I think her dad mocked her mom alot so Adrienne copies him.
    Adrienne is in the Maloof family boys club where the Maloof royal blood is everything and spouses are servants.

  36. Dani says:

    lovesfall, excellent assessment of all the ladies on HWOBH.

  37. Adgirl says:

    Again Kyle is irking me with her harsh words to Kim.

    The preview next week – I am guessing Kim got too involved in a situation of Kyle’s (“these are not your friends” Kim points at Lisa & Taylor).

    Kim is an unpredictable timebomb that refuses to explode when Kyle wants her to and goes off when Kyle least wants her to. LOL.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Yeah, well then she can’t control Kim. And I’m glad she can’t. She sure tries hard to. I wish Kim would move away from her. Kyle has never “taken care” of Kim that I’ve seen. She abuses her verbally and emotionally and now it looks like Kim is afraid of her physically too.

      • Adgirl says:

        I agree. Very astonishing how Kyle flips out of Kim. It seems that Kyle believes Kim is a lose cannon that messes things up for Kyle. well why did you agree to do this show Kyle???

  38. Adgirl says:

    Did Kim have a bunch of kids to have a built in social life? She seems neurotic away from home.

  39. Adgirl says:

    I think the rest of the Hiltons didn’t attend the graduation because they were angling for a reality show from Bravo and couldn’t control the editing at the grad party.

    Why should they appear on camera for free? They are big stars! Kyle and Kim wouldn’t be on RH is it weren’t for Paris and Nicky being famous! We want to look good and we want something for Paris to do – give her a show Bravo!

    They were disciplining Bravo and punishing Kyle by announcing at the last minute they were going away. I think that’s why Kyle was so very upset.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Good analysis. I thought that immediately…the part about being too big for Bravo. I love (sarcasm) how Paris got her fame. A normal person would get plastic surgery to hide their face, change their name and move to Siberia after that video. But it worked for Kim K. too. shrug

    • error404 says:

      “Kyle and Kim wouldn’t be on RH is it weren’t for Paris and Nicky being famous!”

      boy, that was a stretch! lol

      Um, are Nene and Teresa and Jill and Gretchen and Stacey all aunts of Paris Hilton too! Must be the only reason they got to be on a reality TV show. 😛

      • Adgirl says:

        I’m just saying from the Hiltons perspective. They are the stars of the family. Kyle and Kim are the washed up aunts who are suppose to bask in the glory of Paris and Nicky.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          Yeah Error…keep up. Wink 😉

          • Adgirl says:

            @error & Zip – it is pretty amazing the characters that Bravo digs up and makes

            • Zipit Zarin says:

              Evil geniuses ain’t they?

              • Adgirl says:

                It makes me nervous. LOL. Have I been wandering around in the world surrounded by people just waiting for their sex tape to make them famous?

                AHHH! How about that woman at the grocery store? The pizza guy?? My boss???? Eeek!

                • Zipit Zarin says:

                  Ok, I’m no prude but I don’t want to see ANYONE especially myself making love. When there is an explicit love scene in a movie I don’t watch. If I got a ladder and looked in someone’s bedroom window at them making love I’d be arrested for being a Peeping Tom but watching the same thing in a movie is somehow different. I don’t see the difference. Whatever floats a person’s boat, but why the heck people tape themselves is something I’ll never understand. Maybe Mauricio’s mother can explain it to me.

                  • Adgirl says:

                    I thought Mauricio saying “hey my mom’s got a PHD in Sex problem solving” was icky too.
                    Espec when she was talking to Maloofs.

  40. Night Light says:

    Lynn, I have truly enjoyed your blogs. I closed my twitter account ’cause it had outlived its purpose for me but I am happy you have this blog for everyone to give their opinion. I wont be participating much if any since my classes start up again and I am working on a new little venture. Wish me luck!

  41. Adgirl says:

    Cedric did say that he was worried he would lose Lisa forever if he had to move out, like Ken was trying to divorce him.
    Actually, Cedrics emotions and concerns are valid considering his past but what we don’t know is if he’s had therapy or if he’s just calculating with playing on Lisa’s emotions.
    Personally, since they have enough money, wouldn’t be easier to engage an apartment for him prepay 6 months rent and schedule the movers.
    It’s a surprise gift! How wonderful! Let’s have a housewarming party for you Cedric! Come over to dinner with us on Sundays!

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      LOLOLOL Too funny Adgirl. And someone said Lisa’s not talking to Cedric. Well, I’m thinking he’s not talking to HER and she can’t.

    • California35 says:

      That is a good plan, but I worry that it will mean they will be paying his rent and all his expences for ever. It is cheaper keeping him in their house. A dateline should work either way…that way he can get himself a job in that period of time and Lisa won’t feel bad for not helping him anymore.

    • babykakes says:

      how ’bout employing him as a busboy or something at one of their 2 restaurants.

  42. error404 says:

    Kim is passive agressive. Kyle is just plain agressive.

    Kim is the type to ask for advice or help, and then turn around and do just the opposite, making you feel like you just wasted your time.

    Kyle is the type to volunteer to do a favor, then later throw that very same favor back up into your face like it was some kind of outrageous request.

  43. Adgirl says:

    The timing is in sync…..the Cynthia Bailey/ Peter Thomas wedding is scheduled to air January 20 on Bravo. Star Jones, in the meantime, just finished filming “Celebrity Apprentice” with Nene Leakes and Latoya Jackson, where she reportedly got into a screaming match with Donald Trump and abused LaToya Jackson so badly that Nene Leakes had to defend LaToya.
    At least as a magazine editor she won’t be not seen or heard.

    BLACK PR WIRE) NEW YORK–(BUSINESS WIRE)–UPTOWN Magazine will publish UPTOWN Weddings & Travel (on newsstands January 20th), a special issue that focuses exclusively on exotic travel destinations and perfect wedding tips. This issue also marks the debut of Star Jones as Editor-At-Large. Real Housewives of Atlanta star (and newlywed) Cynthia Bailey Thomas graces the cover.
    Articles focused on marriage include “Weddings vs. Marriage,” where Editor-At-Large Star Jones shares wise words on what’s more important than having the most fabulous wedding in the world (hint: a solid a stable marriage) and Real Housewives of Atlanta star Cynthia Bailey Thomas models a handful of elegant bridal designs in “An Atlanta Housewife says I Do.”
    ..::Black PR Wire, Inc. – Press Releases

    “Star Jones as Editor-At-Large”… was that the best title she could negotiate for?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Like NeNe – Journalist/TV celebrity reporter at large….Or Kelly Ambassador of Wool at large….Or Camille Producer at large…stop me this is getting to be too much fun!

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Didn’t Star have a ridiculously over-the-top wedding and then the marriage fell apart? Or was that Melissa Rivers. Or both.

      • Adgirl says:

        Star married Gay Al and lost her job on The View because she demanded free stuff for her wedding in exchange for on air plugs.

        And later she mysteriously lost 100 lbs and wouldn’t cop to the weight loss surgery. Like we don’t have eyes. LOL.
        Gay Al was really gay so they broke up.

        Star Jones is still “large” because she an Editor at Large. LOL.

  44. vilzvet says:

    Hey Kyle, here’s some advice: Stop looking at and answering your freakin’ cell phone/texts in restaurants! Do you realize there’d be tons less storyline/drama on this show if Kyle used manners and put her phone away? At the restaurant with Kim, talking on SPEAKER to Lisa, looking at the Camille text during the charity event, and now here during her lunch with Lisa. Taylor had nerve to just invite herself anyway. Lisa had no idea about it.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I got the impression that Lisa really wanted to have a heart to heart talk with Kyle and then in walks the topic of the conversation and steals the scene right out from under Lisa!

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        Her ears were burning? hehe

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          And why did Russell drop her off? Can’t she drive?

          • Zipit Zarin says:

            She’s too thin to drive. It might wear her out? LOL The thought of her “going Oklahoma” on someone’s ass is just toooo funny. Unless she means using a firearm cuz she’s so thin her arms and legs would prolly break like match sticks.

          • California35 says:

            Maybe it as her intention to bring back the “”poor me” my husband droped me off instead of hanging out with me”.

            • error404 says:


              I wish they’d filmed the trip. It seems the car is where Russell gets his best passive-aggressive digs in. Remember when he told her on the way to her big event that she held it on the wrong weekend. lol I think the cast of RHoBH need a seminar on what the phrase “I got your back” really means.

  45. error404 says:

    from Kyle’s blog:

    “I was so sad watching, thinking that while I was celebrating one of the happiest times of my life, Camille was going through the worst time in hers. We sat there watching her marriage unfold right before our eyes.”

    Do you think this was a malapropism? Perhaps she meant “watching her marriage fold” as in collapse.

    Or do you think it was a Freudian slip? As in “watching the true nature of her sham marriage be revealed”.

  46. NMhousewife says:

    this is for Error 404’s question from last blog:

    “Who else here is actually old enough to remember Kim Richards?”

    I am….I remember Kim and watched theDisney movies, remember her episode of Little House on the Prairie (I think she was a little Swedish girl with a lame leg, all healed by the end of the episode), saw Tuff Turf way back when, and that’s about it.

    Kathy I have no recollection as I think I am too young for what she did. I recall a few episodes, but at that age, I was only focusing on the 2 little kids.

    Kyle, I of course remember LH on the P (Alicia) and Halloween, and recently saw Watcher in the Woods (not a good movie), but I really remember after school watching that cable show Down to Earth (?) with the angel houeskeeper. Also I was a huge fan of ER and do remember her as “Nurse Dorrie” (something like that) a recurring character that would pop up every now and then, and I remember recognizing her as Lizzie from the angel show.

    Okay….I have to admit I also have Tuff Turf in my Netflix queue because it has been years since I’ve seen it and want to see if it is as good as I remember. Unfortunately, there is a long wait, so I suspect other BH fans have it in their queue and there is probably only 1 copy being passed around.

    Oh yeah, I did see Black Snake Moan a couple of years ago where Kim played a small part as the main trashy girl’s trashy mother, and I thought she did pretty well.

  47. error404 says:

    Ok, I’m copying this over from yesterday’s blog, because I apparently like the sound of my own voice, or whatever the web equivolent of that is! lol

    dancekrazy said:
    “Loved, loved, loved Kyle; was cautious of Taylor; thought Adrienne was sort of a “nasty” wife; thought Lisa was fabulous; and, wasn’t certain who was going to be committed first Kim or Camille, to the Kelly Bensimmone Rest Home.”

    I actually think you were spot on from the beginning.

    Kyle: I still like Kyle even though I’ve been calling her out as a bitch since the get go. I think she says catty things all the time. That doesn’t make her a villain, as unlike Jill and Camille, she’s not vindictive and doesn’t try to get revenge by losing people their jobs etc… She basically a good person, who likes to snark. I think she and Lisa share this trait. I also think that Kyle’s excusing Taylor because Camille shouldn’t have reacted that way was also excusing herself. I’ve said the same thing for weeks now. Even if Kyle did say that thing to Camille, it’s no excuse for Camille’s reaction to it.

    Taylor is a two-faced manipulative bitch. She most resembles Cedric. Yeah, I’m sad you had a crappy childhood, but that’s no excuse for continuing that passive-agressive bullshit into your adult life. Just because you were victimized as a kid doesn’t mean you have to play the victim for dramatic effect the rest of your life. Taylor is so put upon, no body ever gives her what she wants, nothing is ever good enough, and everything is always everyone else’s fault but her own. Poor little sad girl going home form the party early with cake because mean old daddy won’t treat her like a princess. You live in LA, get some therapy already!

    Adrienne treats her husband like crap and if she wants to believe this is how all marriages are, that’s her problem. I’m more concerned with why someone so rich looks like a $10 hooker from Sunset. Get a real stylist honey.

    Lisa is fabulous. She’s also human and has some qualities that bother me, but who here has a friend that’s perfect in every way and never once gets on your nerves?

    Camille is bonkers and also comes off as fragile. Her grip on reality is a very tenuous one IMHO.

    Kim is also a bit meek. She’s not KKB cray-cray, but as much as I complain about how awful Kyle is to her, I can also see how on a daily basis, Kim’s kookiness could grate on me. I just think she and Lisa are total opposites, and it’s a shame they don’t try to understand each other better. When you compare Kim to some other washed-up child stars, she does seem like the model of sanity. But I still contend that stage mothering is a form of child abuse and I’m not wishing to be a Richards sister anytime soon.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      I will clap for that again 😀

    • firepainter says:

      Taylor likes to play the “let’s you and him fight” game. She stirred up the crap between Camille and Kyle; at the infamous dinner kept trying to get Adrienne to jump in the fight; somehow is able to get Kyle to jump on Kim, and now is getting between Kyle and Lisa.

  48. AZ Girl says:

    Up tread klmh posted the video which is on Bravo.com with Kyle, Kim, Adrienne and blind date guy. I have re-watched that video and there is NOTHING Kim could have said that would warrant having Kyle to say the horrible things she said. To bring up their mother on her death bed asking Kyle to take care of Kim is horrific AND to say that on camera and in front of others is just cruel and selfish.

    O.K. Kyle we know…get over it. Everyone has a disfunctional family member that has to be dealt with. Kyle, if you don’t want to deal with Kim than don’t deal with her. Mom is not going to rise from the dead and haunt you like Jacob Marley.

    Taylor is the shit stirrer. She got Camille going in NY and sat back until Kim confronted her and Taylor decided she was going all Oklahoma on Kim. Give me a break . Personally, Lisa has Taylor’s number and Taylor knows it. This Kyle and Taylor “lovefest” is BS to Lisa and she will not fall for the BS.

    • error404 says:

      Eh… Kyle is a hot head who says all sorts of shit in the heat of the moment. I don’t think she means half of them. But the more she pulls this shit, the more I’m convinced she actually did say “Who would be interested in you without Kelsey?”.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        And why not own it if she did say it. Who WOULD be? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

        • error404 says:


          I also think Kyle is like an anger-drunk. I don’t think she remembers most of the things she says once she gets going, like a blackout.

          • quincyil says:

            She’s very emotional. Crying for days over the Hilton’s sudden trip to Caan was a bit much. It seems both Kim and Kyle have uncontrolled emotions. Their mother might have played one daughter against another in order to control the family. They talk about being moms and act like all you can do is push a swing if you are a mom.

            • Sha2000 says:

              Well why go to Europe when you know you have your nieces graduation? It’s not like they up for a Palme d’Or; Cannes will still be there later & they have enough money to go at the drop of a hat, why go? I may well be wrong but maybe they didn’t want to be filmed on the HW show??? Kim told her so she wasn’t even told & obviously was suprised. Also, the marching in & presenting of the orchids; why all the pomp? Why not deliver it to their home? Too not looks so bad on the show? I get why she was upset, but I think there was more too it… sisters though always make up.

      • California35 says:

        I thought of that too. She could have said it jokingly or series…but Camile didn’t like it. Camille should let it go, but she might not let it go because Kyle has not accepted it.

    • California35 says:

      Kyle is always so annoyed by Kim, then why hang out with her? I agree with you, she keeps bringing up that her mom made her promis she will look after Kim….I am sure the mom didn’t ask her to be a bully tours Kim either.

    • Kellita says:

      But the weird thing is that, in one of Kyle’s early blogs, she then minimized what she said on film about her mom’s deathbed wish. She wrote in her blog that her mom asked all the girls to take care of each other. So which is it really, Kyle?

    • klmh says:

      I think the problem came before they got in the car. Remember in the advanced clips Kim says something about Kyle shouldn’t be trusting Lisa and /or Taylor. Then things escalate and we hear Kim telling T. to get away from her and T. telling Kim its her party blah blah blah. So I think the fighting began beforehand.

  49. California35 says:

    I am pro Lisa on the lunch thing – I don’t think she is jealous; she is just not too trusting about Tyler and tried to warn Kyle. I didn’t like how Kyle dismissed her and invited Tyler to lunch without telling Lisa. I don’t like how Tyler acted in there either, making Lisa look like she is jealous. The thing is that she made Lisa feel uncomfortable and it seemed on purpose, while Kyle could care less. Aren’t they friends???

    On Camille and Kelsey – For all we know Kelsey tried breaking up with her and Camille begged her to take her to the Tony’s. Maybe Kelsey told her all about the new girl also, who knows…but she is telling us what will make Kelsey look bad. AND ENOUGH with kissing someone else’s husband on the lips…gee, the wife is RIGHT THERE and this time the husband too. Maybe she thinks she can because it is safe, because he won’t take advantage and try more than that kiss? That is so weird. She comes across as needy also.

    On Kim and Kyle – I don’t like their relationship. Kyle seems easily annoyed by Kim. Kim seems like a sensitive person. They both do things the other doesn’t like. I don’t know what the reason is; maybe we will see more of that on next episode. On the not having Kyle’s back, she doesn’t have Kim’s back either. Either way I don’t think either one is mean spirited.

    On Tyler –Is it her childhood, is it her need of attention, is it her need to be popular, is it, is it. . .? I don’t know, but she is not my favorite at all. Maybe Kyle just wants to make a new friend, at first I thought she was just trying to be nice to Tyler, but was not that into hearing about Tyler’s problems. Somehow though, maybe Tyler wined her over.

    I wouldn’t think the Hiltons would show up at the Bravo show. I get the impression that they ARE “up here” (sorry I think I do use that phrase a lot :-P). They might be the nicest people, and they might not act “up here” with their family (Kyle, Kim and their family), but they I can see them selecting their events very carefully (who will be there, etc). Plus I get the feeling that they don’t show up on any event/tv show if they are not getting paid.

    Adrian and Paul – Lynn had said before that they don’t really bring much to the show. I agree. They are like the comic relieve. There is no drama (thank God), no real issue, nothing exciting either. Adrian seems to like it that way thought. She has said that she knows what’s important in her life. The other things are just petty.

    Lisa and Cedric – I feel for him if his story is true, I would feel unimportant and miserable…BUT if it isn’t true (or it is) and he is using it to get a free ticket into Lisa’s life and life style..it is wrong. Although I feel bad for him I feel worst for Lisa, for being taken advantage of. I wish she would help him by guiding him or giving him a job or something like that, instead of supporting him. He had the nerve to say that he feels like he is imposing on them….aaaah! you think?

    • error404 says:

      Lisa did give Cedric a job. He works at one of her restaurants. In fact, he started out as an employee and then developed into a friend. In London to boot! He basically squirmed his way into his boss’s life and then followed them to another country when they moved. He’s a piece of work, regardless of his background. In addition to being a bad roommate (using the car and returning it on empty) she’s also complained about his work ethic. When she hosted the charity lunch at her restaurant, she asked him to come in 15 minutes early to make sure it all got done. He showed up at the regular time. Anyone else would have been fired, raped prostitute mother or not.

      Adrienne did the show to help her failing family business. If its not about the Maloof empire, she’s not interested. She’s useless as a mediator. When Kyle and Kim start to kick off in the limo, Adrienne mumbles one meek “ok” and then clams up trying to pretend she’s not even there. Is that how she handles disputes in the casino?

      • Cusi77 says:

        About the falling Maloof empire IT IS SO TRUE! Caesar’s Entertainment is trying to buy-steal The Palms Casino which is in serious financial trouble because in the fake Real State bum here in Vegas they built three huge high end condo towers. When the first one was almost finished they had sold out the second one as well… then… prices went down and most of the condos were returned. They have one option out… Caesar’s Entertainment (Source: My hubby! equals: gossip around!)

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Lisa’s relationship with Cedric is the one thing I really dislike about her!

      • error404 says:

        I’d love to know what her kids thing of him! Cedric, like her other ridiculous pampered pet gigolo Giggy, don’t bother me as much because they come form a very human place of empty nest syndrome. She said in her house tour video that she’d been made redundant and let go, as her kids had left home. Funny, with an undercurrent of sadness. No, the stupid gags bother me more. I fully expect her to call a tobacconist next episode, ask if they have Prince Albert in the can, and then tell them to let him out before he suffocates, hanging up in a fit of giggles.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          Oh man. Welp, when you have that much money and can do anything your heart desires, you must run out of things to do. LOL error

          • Sha2000 says:

            I think Cedric was telling the truth about how he feels. Yes his story seems too movie of the week to be true, but he looks sincere so I’m buying it. Oh, looked at the VB menu online, sounds yummy & is very fairly priced. I wonder if they’ll deliver 2000 miles away? ; )

            • twoile says:

              @S2 I agree w/u as 2 the “Movie of the wk” theme from Cedric…I would go so far as 2 say he believes his own story having repeated it so often…Lisa needed a “cause” 2 fill her “mothering needs”Cedric fills the bill until he doesn’t.

  50. boston02127 says:


    Hey Jill & Hey Kel. How’s life in nothing land?

  51. quincyil says:

    I went throught the list looking for a thread on Kyle’s spending habbits. Mauricio said something to her in the beginning and she mentioned the American express bills later in the series. Last night she told us that she has to buy herself a gift whenever she shops for a gift for someone else. I think that is weird. Adrienne’s shopping spree was over the top and Paul knew it. I’m glad these women have the money to spend because it helps the economy. When does it become a problem? When your spouse is not supportive of the spending.

    • HD says:

      I don’t think it becomes a problem when your spouse is not supportive. Rarely do I know a man that says, “oh yeah! You are shopping again!! GREAT!”

      • HD says:

        Also, I didn’t think Adrienne’s shopping spree (if we call it that) was over the top. How often have we seen her shopping for clothes? I only recall one which she was interuppted by the death of her uncle. She said it herself, she rarely shops so when she does she gets what she gets and that’s that. I understand her. She is a business woman of major companies she does not have time to casually shop every weekend or day so when she has the chance, she gets what she likes and she may not go shopping again for another 2 months or whatever. I understood that.

      • Sha2000 says:

        Lol, HD. If men would only enjoy shopping as much as we girls do.

    • error404 says:

      So true. But this whole franchise seems to revolve around Bravo searching for shopaholics with anger management issues, and then baiting them to shop until they drop and then pop off. It’s like a bizzarre version of ‘Intervention’ where the show takes them to bars and buys them drinks.

      • HD says:

        Well it is kinda foolish to give a shop until you drop assignment to one of the Maloof empire holders. I mean really! She is a Maloof. So honestly I can understand her shopping how she did. This woman is flying back and forth, bankrolling this and that, do I REALLY have time to stop and pick up a thong?! If I was that rich, I would get my stuff when I could and be done with it. She doesn’t have time for all of that.

        • quincyil says:

          Do you think they wear clothes once and never again?

          • HD says:

            Why do you ask that? Did something I say indicate they wear clothes once and never again?

            • quincyil says:

              Just a question that came to my mind because they all seem to buy new clothes frequently. Camille’s closet was huge.

        • error404 says:

          to quote one of my favorite lines from an Almodovar film “I could never buy real Chanel while there are starving people in the world! ” LOL

          anywho, as for the tacky Maloof princess with her Vegas hooker dresses, Vegas hooker make-up and Vegas hooker hair, and her tacky McMansion modeled after a 16th century European castle, I didn’t buy that “I shop for myself clothes off the rack at a discount store” scene for the camera only, for one second. Set up! Sure, sure. Bethenny Frankel has a stylist bring designer dresses to her small rental apartment, but Adrienne who has more money than God, buys dresses off the rack with her surgeon-to-the-stars husband sitting there holding her purse. Is there beach front property in Nebraska Adrienne is going to sell me next?

          • quincyil says:

            I have noticed a number of online articles about their financial distress.

            I laughed whe Adrienne said that her taste in music was diverse and then listed their own recording artists. I thought she was going to say country and operas. LOL

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        OMG! Are we housewife hoarders? We collect them, can’t stop snarking on them and dissecting their every word and action.

        • Sha2000 says:

          I think they wear the clothes again unless it’s been photographed or evening.

          • Zipit Zarin says:

            I wear a pair of shoes until they literally fall off my feet. Then I mourn their passing. It’s not like I can’t afford another pair, it’s just that when you find the perfect pair and they go with just about everything…well, it’s an art to find that pair.

            • Sha2000 says:


            • Debbie says:

              Ooo, I can’t tell ya how many times I find the perfect shoe, blouse etc and wish I had bought a bunch of the exact thing. By the time I realize something is perfect for me and I go back to get a couple more, they are usually gone or at least gone in my size. I don’t have too much money to throw around anyway.

            • California35 says:

              OMG I’m so with you. I have been looking for a pair of black shoes. How hard can that be? But it has been, there are so many styles..when I found one I really liked, they didn’t have my size at thar store.

  52. HD says:

    One thing I think that is always important here is to remember Kyle and Kim(?) are sisters. They will fight, they will argue, they will cuss each other out, but they are sisters and anyone here should know, family is family. We hate, We love, We fight, We hug. That is the nature of family. I don’t know what popped off but what I do know is they are sisters and they will get over it. Family fights like no one business but let an outsider step it, well, its on and popppin!

    • error404 says:

      Yes, and a show of hands, how many of us can truthfully say we’d pick our siblings to be our lifelong friends?

      • HD says:

        I can truthfully say I would pick my sister to be my lifelong friend but I know everyone is not like me.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        I have 8 siblings. 6 would make the cut.

      • Regular Poster Incognito says:

        Not in a million years, for all the tea in china, and only maybe if my life depended on it. I wouldn’t be an “acquaintance” and if my brother was walking down the street I would probably cross the street to avoid talking to him. BUT… he is my brother and I love him.

        Sorry for the temporary name change but my brother watches all of the HW, Hates Jill Zarin, and for all I know reads this blog so I had to post anonymously just in case.

      • error404 says:

        I have 4.

        one I am very close with.

        Another I’m close with, but reminds me a bit of Kim Richards. Unlike Kyle, I chose to just ignore what I see as “odd”.

        the third, we’ve had good times and bad, but truthfully I’m not sure the theoretical “friendship” would last. Very high maintenance, and I lack patience.

        the forth I barely speak to and barely tollerate. I always feel bad for friends who have only 1 sibling who’s a jerk. I’d hate to think if I only was stuck with just this one. Ew.

    • lovesfall says:

      I think sibling/family relationships are the most intense we have. We love them with everything we have, but we also fight with them with everything we have. But heaven help someone who tries to get in the middle! Leave sibling/family fights to the siblings/family!

      • HD says:

        Right @ lovesfall. After the Real Housewife franchise is longggggggg over…these two will be sisters. Period. None of this will matter.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          I think it will matter. It might not make them never speak to each other again, but I wish they would seperate …like far away from each other to get some perspective.

          • lovesfall says:

            Oh, it will definitely matter and affect their relationship in the future. But this dynamic has been affecting them their whole lives anyway. It didn’t just crop up prior to filming, there’s been long brewing resentment all season on both sides – Kyle for having to look out for her sister, and Kim for having her sister constantly butt into her life.

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  54. quincyil says:

    Lynn gave a bunch of links so I hitting on them. Rachel Zoe showed a dress in a fashion shoot in 2007. One one the dresses was vintage and she loved it so much she bought it. She hold an opening for her new line of clothings and that design in her line.

    You can’t do that right? If you have a line of clothing, they should be your designs, not something in your closet from a vintage store.

    • Sha2000 says:

      I worked in the accessory biz in the 80’s, one designer who now is a very famous clothing designer & who’s collection was on one of the HW’s shows. She as well as other designers often get their “inspiration” from vintage pieces; very common in fact. Trends are discussed with employees & buyers, old things are looked at & reworked; everything old is new again. Very few things in fashion that haven’t already been done.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Who designed the vintage dress? Does anyone know? And plagerism is plagerism. Just because the designer is dead doesn’t mean You can steal it. That would mean I could repeat Cicero’s rhetoric and not give him credit. The list is endless.

      • Sha2000 says:

        No they should never copy it exactly.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          If I had the money, I would have a ton of ancient Roman stolas and pallas made and only wear that. In every color. Heavy material for winter and light as air silk for summer. Those BH housewives have all that money can buy and no creativity or individuality. (as far as fashion is concerned…what a waste)

  55. butterisafruit says:

    LYNN……….you DID IT. Your blog is in the top 100 on WordPress. WTG YOU ROCK!!

  56. HD says:

    @ Quincy…I am not sure where my post went…but why did you ask me about them wearing clothes again? Did I say something about that?

    • quincyil says:

      No… It was a train of thought post. We were talking about all of their clothes and I wondered outloud (in a post.) Camille’s closet with those extra racks in the center flooded into my mind.

  57. Zipit Zarin says:

    I’ve always wondered what material the dresses are made of that the HW’s wear in the promos…them standing there together holding the WhatEver. Shiny clingy material that shows every unappealing lump. SO not flattering. Do they not see that? I don’t get it.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      And is throwing your hip out like that supposed to be sexy? LOL

    • quincyil says:

      I never thought about the cloth until “The Fashion Shoe.” Now, I am looking at how cloths drape and how seems look. I have studied and learned.

  58. Need a Hobby says:

    I’ve been busy with work and so not entirely caught up here. Don’t think anyone’s mentioned this recent news item so here goes. Apologies if someone has. But I just saw the item & immediately wondered what the Duchess of Dryer Lint may have been up to…

    Woman recreates da Vinci’s ‘Last Supper’ with lint
    Thursday, January 13, 2011

    A northern Michigan woman has put her own spin on Leonardo da Vinci’s “The Last Supper” by making a replica out of laundry lint.

    Laura Bell of Roscommon collected lint from her dryer and fashioned it into a 14-foot-long, 4-foot tall reproduction of the Italian Renaissance painter’s masterpiece.

    Bell says she needed about 800 hours to do enough laundry to get the lint, and 200 hours to recreate the mural. She bought towels of the colors she wanted and laundered them separately to get the right shades of lint.

    Her artwork has caught the eye of Ripley’s Believe It or Not! The company plans to put it on display at one of its museums.

    Pictures of the artwork that can be enlarged are here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/13/state/n195206S17.DTL#ixzz1B4Fs8hsp

  59. Buffywood says:

    There is going to be yet another New Jersey based reality show! The headline reads “Are You the GLBT Snooki?”


  60. Adgirl says:

    About sibling love & hate. I sooooo wish I had a sister. I think I would be a fantastic sister. I wouldn’t say publicly that “our mother made me promise” to take care of someone.
    I have one sibling. A brother who has many troubles (mostly organic or birth defect related, like ADD) but my primary issue is he is a devoted anarchist. He creates protests that devolve into riots & vandalism and he enjoys feeling important about his creation.
    How can I support that?

    • error404 says:

      is he serious?

      My “Kim Richards” brother is an anarchist in theory only. Other brother is a dull conservative. He votes republican only because he works in nuclear weaponry and the republicans assure him a job. Idiot. Anywho, “Kim” brother loves to stir the pot. Once got conservative brother all upset by wearing a Che Guevara T shirt to dinner and proclaiming himself a communist. Later, when I returned from Blockbuster, he was upset I didn’t bring home “Pretty Woman”! Poser. LOL

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        “dull conservative” meaning he doesn’t fall for lame leftie rhetoric? http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/01/14/top-25-left-wing-films-4-the-china-syndrome-1979/#more-436624 Jim Nolte is a conservative Hollywood movie critic. One of my heroes. 😛

      • Adgirl says:

        Is he serious?
        He is serious in that he has found people who approve of his activities so he has a cohort group (Food Not Bombs, Coalition for the People etc). I sort of can’t blame him (b/c of birth emotional issues) except he filed for bankruptcy last year for $50K in credit card debt. WTF.
        My husband is rather conservative, but he can site facts for his stand on issues. So please don’t call him an idiot.
        I grew up in the most progressive (and politically violent in my childhood) place in the US. I have my own feelings about the government and personal freedom and responsibility. I just don’t like being told whether I have a right to those feelings or if I can speak of them in public or if I am “stupid” for feeling the way I do.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      And the two siblings in my family that wouldn’t make the cut are liberals. No surprise there. Both are brilliant and I used to have music and literature in common with them. Then they turned nasty when I wouldn’t get on the group think band-wagon. Sux but oh well. 😦

      • Adgirl says:

        It’s hard to have political disagreements with friends and family. That’s why I don’t like specific politcal talk here on IHJZ. It insults someone (some other poster) so we shouldn’t do it.
        I can insult them/be insulted on another board. LOL.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          I know you’re right, but the deal is that liberal talking points go unchallenged to keep the peace here. I won’t go to the mat about it…just don’t want to seem like a wussie to myself. If that makes sense.

        • error404 says:

          eh. I thought i was talking about family. Now feel “misunderstood”. But that’s not “political” either. Yesterday I asked why someone was defending Phaedra’s Apollo, only to be told “I’m not being defensive!”. It seems to me that I speak English, but considering how often people misread what I say, apparently I don’t! LOL

    • California35 says:

      I’m sure there are plenty of people here who wouldn’t mind being your sibling :-). I have soooo many, but no one I can talk to or hang out with on a regular basis. Neither of us have things in common, and some a kind of mean…as we get older there has been some respect with some drama from time to time, but some of us just try to keep our distance, The closest I have is a sister who with nothing in common, we can at least talk and respect each others points of views. I’m sure that if the moment would come up she would have my back, but I just never have put her on that situation.

    • twoile says:

      @Ad You must b exhausted by all his antics……..worry is very costly……maybe in the course of lifes events you may find a f friend who can be your sister. :0)

  61. Adgirl says:

    Lisa about Ken’s lasik cracked me up. My mother said the same thing about my (late) dad getting cataract surgery “but he’ll see all my wrinkles!”

  62. Zipit Zarin says:

    To clean the palate…I Hate Jill Zarin. heh

  63. Great Blog Lynn, as usual! thanks again.

    OT does anyone remember how Laurie Waring Petersons new husband
    made all that money? I thought he was big into land development? if so, how is his
    business thriving? is he dealing with any cash flow issues?
    It seems reasonable to me that in his business there must have been a serious slowdown
    in there business and cash flow. the OC building took a hit from the recession
    that was far worse than anything we experienced in NJ. everybody got affected
    one way or another and I heard it wasn’t pretty. How is laurie Petersons husbands
    business doing?DOES ANYONE KNOW????? IS ANYONE ELSE JUST THE LEAST BIT CURIOUS? let me know what you know…………………..

    • Adgirl says:

      I want to know … but there isn’t anything public about them. Maybe George was smart enough to divest early?

      • vilzvet says:

        Yes, that I would like to know as well, and if they still live in that lovely home where they got married.

  64. Sandra says:

    Come on people! Are you seriously changing your opinion of Camille after only one interview with Andy Cohen? Please put some extra thought into what you see and hear! Is the American public so easily swayed these days? Are we that naive and lazy? Your saying that after only ONE interview, that you are changing your mind about Camille? Must I remind you that this person has consistently over an entire season shown poor, tasteless, evil, disgusting, reprehensible (the list is endless) behavior towards pretty much everyone she has come into contact with. Really think about it. Use your brain for more than one second. Don’t you think that she has PR people coaching her on how to act? She’s just acting. Her interview on WWHL was just a bunch of BS. She was told by her PR people that she probably should act a certain way because she is the most hated housewife. People do not change overnight. I can’t believe that people are now giving her props and admiring how she handled the interview after all of the vile behavior she has willingly and consistently exhibited over the course of the show. It kills me how people don’t really put thought into what they see or hear. It’s all an act to garner sympathy and support. If you can’t see through it, then I don’t know what else to say. It’s sad.

    Also, with regards to Lisa trying to talk to Kyle about Taylor. It was not a high school comment. She is trying to warn Kyle about Taylor’s true nature that we all see but she obviously doesn’t. Think about Taylor’s behavior. Isn’t it kind of obvious that she really tries to befriend people that are rich and powerful only for her benefit. That is why she doesn’t care for Kim. She has nothing to offer her and she isn’t rich and glitzy and glamorous like Taylor wants to believe she is. The only reason that she doesn’t really bother with Lisa (and mind you this is an assumption) is probably because Lisa made is very clear that they she has no interest in being her friend. Lisa probably can’t tolerate Taylor’s whining and cunning behavior and most likely can see right through Taylor and knows that her intentions are not true. Taylor is a wannabe and Lisa is already someone and already has one hanger on in her life and doesn’t need another. Not to be caddy, but who here really isn’t being, those lips on Taylor are just atrocious. Who in their right mind defiles their face like that and finds it to be complementary to their face? I dont’ get it, but that is Hollyweird for you. I don’t think I will ever understand how women abuse plastic surgery to the point where they actually look worse than they did before. It’s supposed to be used in a minimal and moderate way to enhance not destroy ones face to the point of where they can become unrecognizable. I guess if you only see a bunch of over plumped, frozen and distorted faces around you, you start to think that it’s normal to look like that. I can’t think of any other reason as to why one would do such a horrible thing to their face and think that they look great.

    Oh, well. I’ve worked a thirteen and a half hour today and am extremely exhausted. So I apologize if this post seems to ramble on a bit. It’s written at a time of pure exhaustion. Thank goodness it’s a three day weekend.

  65. Adgirl says:

    @Sandra =The fashion Bravo introduced Lisa’s wariness about Taylor was out of left field. I agree there is a lot more to see about Taylor.
    People who radically change their looks really bother me. I feel it is self abuse. I wonder what Paula and Adrienne looked like prior to surgery. He shouldn’t be wandering around advising people to alter their looks. Paul’s face looks like he has had too many fillers. Maybe Adrienne finds it unmanly?

    To my political friends – I took a break to watch “Precious” the movie with my conservative husband. He really learned a thing or two about a life he couldn’t comprehend. I had seen it prior to our seeing together so I knew it was a difficult movie to watch. My husband was really upset about the sad plights of innocent children in the slums who are victimized by those who are suppose to care for them. If you have ever seen “The Wire” tv series it humanizes street thugs and gangsters so you can see how lonely and nihilistic their lives are.
    This is how I educate my husband, through the art of others – the brilliant writers and actors of serious art concerning the sad facts of our country without the preaching.

  66. NikkyT31 says:

    Great Blog. I enjoy reading your blog everyday.

  67. quincyil says:

    To all of the ladies and gents stuck in their houses as the blizzard reign down on us, we have one advantage over the ladies of the sunbelt. Our skin gets a winter’s vacation from the sun. When Kyle was in the jewelry shop trying on the rings, I noticed her hands again. Those are the hands of a sixty five year old woman from IL. You know she doesn’t scrub the bathrooms and that she has manicures weekly, she should have hands as youthful as her face. Kim also have skin affected by a lifetime in California.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Well QuincyIl you are right. The sun is a bitch on the skin. I wear hats constantly. My hands look terrible I hope everyone survives the storms and stays warm.
      I am off for a hike today….he, he, he, he……

  68. Steph says:

    hi everyone,

    It’s very hard for me to keep up with all the comments here, so I don’t know if this has already been discussed, but here’s a video preview up for the next episode of RHOBH and it illustrates what I hate about Kyle:


    She treats her sister like crap. I’m not some huge fan of Kim, but here is someone who was probably too fragile to be pushed into the world of acting, but it was her mother’s dream so that’s where she ended up. I think Kyle grew up feeling jealous of her sister’s success (especially since Kyle also went into acting and wasn’t as sucessful as Kim). I’d be jealous in that situation too. Hell, kids will be jealous of sibling who excell in anything they don’t, from sports to academics. It’s normal! I think the problem is that all the pressures of acting at an early age have had a serious effect on Kim (I read that she’s had a drinking problem in the past), and I think that she’d benefit from staying away from Kyle for awhile.

    I think Kyle gets around Kim and they both feel like they’re kids again. Kyle needs to put Kim down in order to feel good about herself. Since Kim excelled in a field where Kyle didn’t, it felt good for Kyle that she excelled in the family dept (happily married with kids) while Kim struggles with love. So, yes, Kim was the famous one, and Kim was the most successful in Hollywood, but Kyle is emotionally successful compared to Kim, and she needs Kim to be around and looking like a sad sack in order for Kyle to feel good about her own life.

    I don’t think the physic/medium picked up on anything with her statement about Kyle and Mauricio, but I think she made a rational connection based on Kyle having a 2 year old daughter and wanting another baby: this woman is afraid for her kids to leave and for it to be just her and her husband because they’ll realize they don’t have the strong emotional connection they thought they did. Remember how Kyle said that Mauricio was upset when she wanted to bring the kids on their romantic weekend of the bike race?

    Anyway, Kyle and Kim’s relationship has bothered me from day one. And now there’s a clip from next weeks episode (which I linked to above) where Kyle has THE NERVE to make Kim feel guilty that her mother worried about her when she died. WHAT A BITCH!! At one point on the show she was yelling at Kim that she had to promise their mom that she’d watch out for her and I thought, you bitch! your mother didn’t tell you that so you could make your sister feel like a pathetic piece of sh-t! And then she blogs that she meant that they promised their mom they’d all look out for each other–then why would you say it like that, like it was only KIM that had to be worried about? SO now you make her feel like she stressed out her dying mother because she’s a loser?


  69. missmi says:

    I have posted this is in the past, but I will say again. that the book House of Hilton has some insight into Kim and Kyle. In short, it sounds like Kim as a drinking problem and has always been into her kids. Her dying father begged his new wife to be removed from her house because she would drag all kids into the room and jump on his bed all while being 3 sheets to the wind. Kyle and Mauricio agreed to help him, but then dropped the ball big time. Kyle and Kim and their mother were also extremely, snarky, catty behind peoples backs. Their mothers biggest concern was that all 3 girls marry money. status and money was everything to this woman.

    quick side note: Kathy Hilton was all about the players in the OJ Simpson trial during that time because she wanted to be in the loop. She had all of these people to her home frequently. This would explain IMO Kyles frienship with Faye Resnick. I read the book last year. Its been funny how things have matched up.

  70. I’m finally catching up on your blogs Lynn!
    I love it when we disagree on the shows. It makes reading the other blogs more interesting.

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