IHJZ Top Chef and Housewives News

I Hate Jill Zarin Top Chef – Restaurant Wars! 10 Chefs Left Jan 20, 2011

I could not understand this guest judge at all, his accent was so strong it was taking every ounce of strength that I had to decipher each word that I finally gave up and by judges table he might as well have been speaking Teresa Giudice’s made up Italian.

Antonia the jinx reminds viewers that every time there is a team challenge she loses her teammate at judges table, including last week where she lost not only one but two of her teammates Jamie and Tiffany. Luckily for viewers Marcel chose the Top Chef jinx for his team this week.

Anthony Bourdain introduced the Quick Fire challenge this week as it was his design, in his new book Bourdain devotes an entire chapter to this phenomenal chef at Le Bernadin.

The Quick Fire challenge wasn’t pretty, cleaning, scaling and filleting fish, but it showcased some of the chef’s talent at doing prep work, and doing it quickly. The fish butcher/chef at Le Bernardin, Justo Thomas was very impressive as he filleted those fish in eight minutes but whatever he’s making, he needs a raise. The restaurant has to utilize three chefs to do the same work this guy does while he’s on vacation, how many people can say that about their job? Amazing!

The Chef’s have ten minutes to fillet the same two fish ensuring there is little to no waste. When the smoke clears the bottom four are Carla, Fabio, Tiffany and Antonia and the top four are Dale, Richard, Mike and Marcel. The final winner will be chosen after the top four prepare one dish utilizing the throw away portion of the fish that they just filleted. Dale comes out on top and wins immunity.

Dale is much calmer this season, he hasn’t beaten up any prep tables or punched any walls yet. He seems to have grown and matured since his original appearance and he may just win this whole thing. We know for sure he’s not going anywhere tonight.

The final 10 prepare to hear about this week’s challenge, Padma is practically jumping up and down she’s so excited because this challenge is Restaurant Wars!

The Quick Fire winner will be a team captain and will be allowed to choose the other team’s captain. Dale made a genius move in choosing Marcel, this solved two issues for Dale, it ensured he wouldn’t have to work with Marcel and it put Marcel in danger of being eliminated as head chef of the opposing team.

Team Bodega consisted of Dale, Richard, Tre, Fabio and Carla. This is the dream team, if they had Angelo it would be the perfect team. When Richard suggested that they open their meal with a bag of chips I thought he’d lost his mind but it was one of the things that Chef Tom Colicchio pointed to as a winning idea. They served their tuna dish in a oval tuna can, even as one diner complained that he didn’t understand it and it was hard to eat out of it, most people thought it was a great idea, another one of Richard’s who is also a top contender to take this entire competition.

Team Etch, Marcel’s team was a mess from the beginning, Angelo, Mike, Antonia and Tiffany did not seem thrilled to be working with Marcel, particularly when he was put in charge of the team. Marcel couldn’t manage his way out of a parking lot, he is the epitome of every negative adjective known to man. The key to a chef running a successful kitchen is respect. No one in this contest has an ounce of respect for Marcel, he has no idea how to talk to people, how to deal with people and this is his second time around so there is no excuse for his behavior. Most of the other chef’s in the competition seemed to have learned something from their previous appearance on the show, but not Marcel.

I firmly believe that it was Marcel’s attitude and lack of teamwork that led to his demise his first time around. I don’t think that Ilan was a much better chef than Marcel, but he was a better leader and he earned the respect of his co-workers and the judges. Bravo and the Top Chef community certainly don’t want someone with Marcel’s attitude representing them as the best and brightest. It isn’t just one person who hasn’t been able to get along with Marcel, this is every chef he’s come into contact with on this show. It can’t possibly be everyone else’s problem.

The front of the house was like night and day, Fabio for team Bodega was professional and swiftly took care of every area of the dining room. He handled the diners with style and grace while instructing and supporting his wait staff. Tiffany had a completely different style, simply trying to connect with the diners and bringing feedback into the kitchen in hopes that they can improve certain dishes. Where Tiffany failed was that amazing, wonderful true laugh that she has was heard throughout the dining room except it was fake and forced not to mention way too loud. Padma even noted that it was inappropriate to hear the hostess laughing louder and more frequently than anyone else in the dining room.

The kitchen at Team Dale held it together well, as Carla noted they had a bit of a rough start but quickly were sending out amazing food like a well oiled machine. While Dale was the team leader, there is no doubt that the concept and the entire feel of the restaurant was all Richard. Richard also had his influence in many of the dishes that went out of that kitchen and he clearly took the lead and won it for the whole team.

The dynamic in the kitchen at Team Marcel was tense, unorganized and uncomfortable. There was no doubt that not only did Marcel completely fail as the leader but he failed as a member of the team and as a chef because even his food was sub-standard. I believe that Marcel was responsible for the failure of the other chef’s dishes as well. While the judges had no problems with Angelo’s or Mike’s dishes, Marcel threw Tiffany off her game without a doubt as her first attempt at her egg dish failed. Marcel as the leader didn’t support and try to help her, he just criticized her more. Then my pet peeve about this show, Tiffany was in the dining room forcing others to prepare her dish. Antonia was stressed and thrown off by all the bickering and unorganized kitchen.

As Chef Tom made his rounds visiting the chef’s, Marcel was rude and practically asked Colicchio to leave, his comment, “we can talk about how I’m in the weeds or you can let me work and get out of the weeds” I know all the chef’s are somewhat annoyed by Tom’s visits particularly when they’re flustered already, with a million things to do the last thing you want to do is stand around chatting about the plan. However, Dale managed to make a few minutes for Tom and if we’ve learned nothing from past episodes, pissing off Chef Tom is the perfect way to get sent home, just ask Jen.

Angelo has to get credit for saying that he was there to support his leader, Marcel, and Angelo did tell Mike and Marcel to stop bickering but the only thing that he accomplished was getting his head bitten off by Marcel. Marcel wasn’t sharp enough to recognize that Angelo was trying to support him and snapped at the one and only guy who was trying to be a good team player for Marcel. Chef Tom really should not have chastised Angelo at Judges Table for not stepping up, I think Angelo was doing what he could to keep the peace and support his leader. You’re not always going to like the person that you work for but as Angelo said, you have to support them 100% no matter what happens.

At judges table the winners, Team Bodega were a true team and I thought it was great when Carla said that Richard had some influence over almost every dish and improved them all, the ultimate compliment. That one comment probably earned Richard his $10,000 and the win. I think Richard should throw Carla a few bucks for that. Richard should throw each of his teammates a few bucks because they worked so well together that they all deserved that money.

On the other end of the spectrum, Team Etch’s judges table was a bus caravan with each chef throwing someone directly under as the busses crawled by. Just when it seemed as though they would all keep quiet about all the arguing in the kitchen, Tiffany called them all out! She was being questioned about her lack of direction in the dining room and deflected by saying she was thrown by all the arguing in the kitchen. BAM! As NeNe would say, let the accusations fly! Marcel claimed that he took command but that no one would listen to him, Mike explained that Marcel was unreasonable and unorganized and right then there was a moment between Angelo and Chef Tom as Mike was speaking. Just as Angelo nodded in agreement with Mike, Chef Tom made eye contact with Angelo and it was at that moment I knew that Marcel would be going home.

Marcel just doesn’t get it, he interviews that his only mistake was choosing the wrong team members, there wouldn’t have been any chefs that would have worked well with him, there never are any chefs who are comfortable working with this guy. Maybe he didn’t hear the judges saying that his food was also poor quality, and that’s the bottom line in this competition.

With just nine chef’s left, I really like them all, I would be happy if any one of them won the whole thing but I think there is little doubt that Richard is the front-runner. There was some speculation that his season was taken by the first female to win in Top Chef history and possibly they just chose the best female because they were determined that a woman would finally win a Top Chef title, proving that they’re not opposed to a woman winning the competition. It is clear that Richard feels like he should have won his season and he is convinced that he’s a better chef than Stephanie, the winner from Richard‘s season.

Just because he’s so hot, I have to mention Tre, although he’s been in the middle of the pack for most of the competition. I’m hoping he will step up in future episodes and do more than just “get by”, let’s see Tre win a few!

The previews for next week seem to point to Fabio being in the deep weeds and Antonia announcing that she thinks Mike should be the next to go home. I don’t think Antonia has a chance in hell, she was inconsistent during her season and is proving to be the same here. When she’s good, she’s outstanding but her dishes fail just as much as they succeed, she just can’t seem to maintain any kind of high standards.

If Vegas had odds, I think Richard has to be the favorite to take home the crown but don’t count out Angelo, Carla or Dale just yet.

Chef Tom’s blog has been posted, he is very straightforward about Marcel and summed it up nicely, while Marcel seemed to think his only problem was choosing the wrong team, Tom was clear that there was much more to it than that:


Don’t miss Anthony Bourdain’s blog, he’s genius as always and as if he was speaking directly to Kelly Bensimon, he defines the “Chef” as opposed to “Cook” debate and noting that Marcel fits into the later category.


Proving to all that Marcel still doesn’t “get it”, his exit interview makes him look like a bigger dope than ever, then stick around and play the videos that follow, the extended judges table and Eric Ripert talking about his fish butcher Justo:


Tonight Bravo airs the final episode of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, a quick preview:

As we come into the home stretch of the Beverly Hills Housewives, we learn even more about the ladies in the finale and at the two episode reunion shows. Bravo has released some shocking footage of the reunion that includes Lisa’s husband talking about someone who has betrayed his family, most likely that person is Cedric.

Is Kim Richards an alcoholic?
Is Cedric Martinez a scam artist?
Was the whole season set up to make Camille look bad?
Is Kyle just a bully?

All signs point to Cedric being a complete scam artist. Can you imagine how hard it must have been for Lisa to watch this entire season keeping quiet about Cedric as fans asked her questions about him and he had the public sympathy? If this all turns out to be what we all assume it is, Cedric is about to become the most hated man in Housewives history.

Is it true that Kelsey Grammer encouraged his wife to become a Bravo Housewife? If he did, it was a brilliant move. The public got to see the real Camille Grammer and had very little sympathy for her when he left her, in fact many asked why he stayed with her as long as he did. Camille is now playing the “Bad editing” card, it is one that fans of the shows never buy into, and it is only making her look worse. These shows don’t put words in people’s mouths and the producers don’t make them do anything that they don’t want to do (Yes Kelly Bensimon, that was for you). No one forced Kelly to go to St John and no one forced Camille to say all those hateful, insecure, unstable and elitist comments.

Camille was actually very secure when the season started, her comments were spoken with a definite assurance in her relationship with her husband. She may have been insecure in other areas of her life but when it came to her marriage, she had no doubt that her marriage was solid. When Kelsey threw the bomb on her, she was then blaming editing. She had been gushing over her long-time husband and never dreamed that he would leave her.

Camille watched the episodes and continues to support her psychotic friend Allison, even after seeing what happened again so obviously the edit was exactly what happened. Bravo doesn’t have magicians on their payroll so they weren’t able to edit in real unpaid friends for Camille. Her talking head interviews were vicious attacks on the other ladies, mostly Kyle and included Camille saying that the other housewives were just jealous of her. Camille admitted on Watch What Happens Live that she would like to take some things back and that she said things out of anger, how can you regret what you said and did yet still blame editing? You can’t have it both ways.

I’m looking forward to tonight’s episode, I hope you’ll all watch as well and then join me right here tomorrow as we snark our usual snark awaiting the reunion coming up next Thursday night.

Tonight’s Watch What Happens Live airing immediately after the Beverly Hills housewives will feature Taylor and Adrienne joining Andy Cohen in the clubhouse.

Many of you have already heard the big news, Simon VanKempen of The Real Housewives of New York has snagged his own show, a web broadcast on Bravotv.com that will air simultaneously with the Real Housewives of New York.

Simon’s web show is explained here by Rob Shuter of Popeater, Shuter calls Simon’s comment about his new show a “Dig at Bethenny” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth, Simon’s comment was just Simon trying to be funny, it was certainly not a “dig“. Leave it to Shuter to try to find something to stir the pot…


I think that was a great idea and I can’t wait to see what Simon has for us, I’ll bet he got congratulatory flowers from Jill Zarin. Our very own Quincy has already agreed to blog Simon’s show while I’ll handle the Real Housewives of New York, Quincy is going to become our resident “Simon expert” I can tell!

Bethenny’s season two which has been named, “Bethenny Ever After” will begin to air February 28 and The Real Housewives of New York starting February 15. Finally in February, Million Dollar Listing minus Chad Rodgers will begin to air on February 3rd. Way back in April of last year in a brief tweet, Madison Hildebrand of MDL told me that Chad had been eliminated like a Top Chef contestant from the show.

You can find that tweet from Madison here:


The Real Housewives of Orange County will begin to air March 6th with a much anticipated final season party that will include an attempt to push someone into the pool and drinks being thrown… sounds like fun!

Join me here tomorrow for a full recap of tonight’s Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and then on Friday, a discussion of Watch What Happens Live featuring Taylor and Adrienne of Beverly Hills along with a preview of Sunday’s Real Housewives of Atlanta.

Until Next Time…..

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606 Responses to IHJZ Top Chef and Housewives News

  1. AZ Girl says:

    Thanks Lynn for the great blog!
    I love Anthony’s blog. Referring to the Quickfire Challenge (which I LOVED) how Antonia’s fish looked like it had been gnawed by a raccoon all night. HA!
    I have always wanted to know how to “breakdown” fish and that chef on the Quickfire was amazing.
    I did not see the end of the episode so no comment about the elimination until later.
    Can’t wait for Simon’s show.

  2. Cusi77 says:

    Good Morning Lynn! Great Blog as always! Thanks!

    If it is not too late in the year, I would like to share this prayer:

    “Dear God,

    All I ask for in 2011 is a big, fat bank account and a slim body.

    Please don’t mix these up like you did last year.


    • klmh says:

      Actually, I posted that on the last blog, but its great. Im not sure, but someone else said they read it a few days earlier, and I hadn’t seen that one either. Hit home for several of us, ha!

      • Cusi77 says:

        Maybe we have the same contacts! This was sent to me by my best friend who lives in Houston!

      • klmh says:

        Mine came from the Denver area. I have one that bombed yesterday, the one with the notable quotes. I thought it was hilarious and have more from the same series but it failed. This joke I knew, with the dieting going on here, wouldn’t fail.

  3. WindyCityWondering says:

    Thanks Lynn for a great recap and for including Tom and Anthony’s blogs.
    Restaurant war is my favorite challenge because the cheftestants have to put aside their own ego and work together in order to win. Even though Dale can get down right pissy – he pulled the best move possible by making everyone’s enemy Marcel the opposing captain! The looks on the faces of the other contestants was epic. And true to form (or foam) Marcel went down and never saw it coming and still didn’t understand why in his exit!

  4. California35 says:

    Good morning Lynn,

    There is a lot of exciting stuff coming up in regards to housewives. Tonight’s BH finale, hopefully with many answers; WWHL with two of the housewives; the reunions starting next week. I’m happy to know both NY and Bethenny’s own show are coming up in Febuary, I’m looking forward to it!!!! It will be fun to watch Simmon, and I agree that his comment was to be funny not mean. Bethenny does that kind penguinsg to him too, so I think they have the joking going on.

    In will defenetly be back here tonight and tomorrow to read about BH. I am looking forward to your recap and all the comments here about it 🙂

  5. error404 says:

    Yes, looking forward to RHoBH tonight!

    WWHL, not so much. Both Taylor and Adrienne were on the show before and both were as dull as dirt. A hooched up Regina King would be better. Now that’s a reaction to the HW fighting I’d like to hear! lol

  6. quincyil says:

    I looked at the comments on the link from Lynn for the article on Simon. Someone pointed out that a person is logging in and out but consistently saying, “too faced.” (It should be “two faced.”0 The anti-Simon fan seems to be intent on making a stir there. Who in the world would get upset over Simon getting a little video on Bravo.com? I wonder if Jill’s people have been assigned to do that. They get bored in the basement of Zarin’s Fabric dusting the books and waiting to have some one sign up to Lynn’s twitter so they can ban them and call a news conference with the alert that another person was banned from the Jill Zarin site/twitter.

    • error404 says:

      are typos a Susan Saunders trademark? lol

    • AZ Girl says:

      “Boar” rather than “Bore”..HA! “Too” rather than “two” You can spot their comments a mile away. Same mistakes…different names on posts. Jill needs to have her people take grammar classes.

    • icantstandthetoxicity says:

      I’m surprised that Jill didn’t congratulate Simon on Twitter. Every once in a while, she likes to go out of her way to prove to the public that she is a nice person. She wished Bethenny a FAKE good luck on Twitter right before SWTS began. Of course we can’t forget the infamous baby announcement when she congratulated(FAKE) Bethenny on giving birth to a baby boy. Aint she nice?

  7. error404 says:

    with the season finale upon us, let’s review the tag lines:

    Lisa: “In BH it’s about who you know,and I know everyone.”

    Ok. Too bad none of your contacts could tell you if Cedric was for real or a con artist. But I give you props for not constantly name dropping every famous person you’ve ever met, like our “friend” Jill Zarin.

    Adrienne: “Money is what I have, not who I am.”

    Ok. Too bad what you are is a very dull woman with middle class habits, low class taste in dress and decor, and a annoying habit of hen pecking your husband non-stop.

    Taylor: “I have it all, but I want more”

    Let’s just brush past the fact that this sentence doesn’t even make sense. Unfortunately Taylor, you don’t have it all, as you are lacking in honesty, compassion, loyalty, perspective, passion and common sense. One can only assume that the “more” you crave is a divorce.

    Camille: “I’m ready to move out of my husband’s shadow and be me”

    And boy did you! You could have passed under the radar as merely trophy wife #3, but instead your now receiving such “honors” as “The most hated real housewife EVER!” Good job Camille.

    Kyle: “In a town full of phonies, I’m the real deal”

    Nice. Both insulting to your neighbors and ego driven all at once. The jury’s still out on Kyle’s realness. It’s entirely possible she did insult Camille and refuses to cop to it. And we’ll see how much she “got her sister’s back”. Outing someone as an addict on national tv: support or betrayal? Discuss.

    Kim: “I was a child star, but now my greatest role is as a mother”

    Ok. But are they casting you? That’s the question. A little research would have told you Bravo loves to make fools of boastful women. Enjoying all those scenes of your kids ignoring you or treating you like an annoying distant cousin? Yeah I know, Bravo just HAD to show them, right. As well as all those scenes of you walking into plants, or getting lost in the ladies room. Funny, after “dinner party from hell” aired, you were probably the last one I’d suspect had a hooch problem. With all of those “sober” women screaming outrageous accusations at each other, who woulda thunk the alcoholic was the quiet one who politely thanked her host before leaving.

    • TEB says:

      I thought Kyle said “In a town full of phonies, I’m not afraid to be me.”

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Those houseswives intro tags (all franchises) have always bugged me. While there may be some truth in what they say, Bravo picks the tags. It is their intention to seed the audience with how they think the (cough) unscripted season should view their players.

      • vilzvet says:

        Yeah I read that Bravo picks the tags too. Although I could just imagine Kelly coming up with hers all by herself, the gag-worthy “I’ve created a great life, and I love living it!”

    • TLM says:

      I thought Camille’s line was, “It’s time for me to move out of my husband’s shadow and s*** all over everyone.”

  8. Debbie says:

    Kelsey said it perfectly in the very first episode of BH’s. In his very first talking head interview he says”It’s time for the public to see the real Camille”

  9. buffywood says:

    If anyone is bored today the BH housewives are on ALL today.

    • vilzvet says:

      Watching the Dinner Party from Hell again sealed the deal for Allison’s future career as far as I’m concerned.

  10. ramonacoaster says:

    Watching the preview for the fight between Kim & Kyle, I’ve been wondering why Martin was sitting in the limo. Did he wish he wasn’t there? Was he too drunk to intervene or figured Adrienne with her self defense training was more of a man than him? Was Lisa still trying to fix him up with crazy Kim? Would Adrienne flip one of them over like a 220 lb man? I guess I’ll find out tonight.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Martin was pretty much a drunk lump on a log in the limo. I doubt he expected to get a face full of Kyle’s behind and was in shock. Adrienne on the other hand was ready for her and blocked her launch at Kim.

  11. Great Blog, as usual, Lynn.

    @error, this is so funny, tho you probably know already, RE; the YouTube video
    you posted either yesterday or the day before with the woman texting and falling
    into the fountain in the mall…….she’s suing the Mall and security dept. for
    posting the video!! ha ha

  12. quincyil says:

    A site called Hollywood gossip said that Camille Grammer was paid over one hundred thousand dollars for her “role” in RHBH. In Hollywood, that’s not much if Paris Hilton gets $200,000 to attend a party.

  13. Amber...Real Wife says:

    It’s amazing that in the HW’s franchises, with so many wives drinking like fish, it is poor Kim who is called out intervention style during the reunion! These women throughout the franchises drink often, not only at social functions, but daily. In BH there have been few scenes where the silent housewife, Wine, is not seen. Lisa, Kyle, Taylor and even Adrienne, where present, are seen drinking happily and steadily. Camille who doesn’t drink, is shown drinking Tequila shots and drinking huge Martinis.

    The OC, where Vicki the Working girl, has grown muscles from throwing drinks back and getting drunk. Tamra a lush who enjoys making scenes when drunk, either happy or crying loudly. Tamra also plots to get other wives “wasted”. Gretchen was the victim of Tamra’s plan, though she does like the vino too. Then Lynn & family who enjoyed the drink as a family and something else?!

    NY we have Ramona who LOVES her Pinot and her Pinot loves her! It was practically running thru IV! Sonja who had a DUI in the off season. Bethenny, rarely soused, but who readily admits she loves her tequila and even invented a drink. Kelly another non-drinker shown drinking!

    ATL where Kim is seen drinking at 9am in a parking lot. She uses wine as mouthwash, as it is never far away. She doesn’t eat meat but boy does she love her grapes! Nene is shown celebrating often, with a drink in her hand and most of her altercations this season have been when she is 6 Bloops to the wind! Cynthia seems to live off of liquid meals as she’ll pop the cork or unscrew the cap to any bottle all day.

    NJ Wine was shown during meals, and it seemed Teresa’s home went through alot of it. The most imbibed one was of course Jaqueline. She was alwas drinking out of a fishbowl sized wineglass.

    Then we have DC where these women loved loved loved the wine. Stacie, Kat and Lynda ALL drank enough wine to help their local wineries, but one was the most visually drunk all the time…Mary! The show should have been I Dream of Mary, because dammit Janet, (RocHorPicSho) that woman lived in the bottle. She tossed those wineglasses back and was always ready for a refill. Wine was this jeanie’s assistant as she needed it to help her get thru events, hair appointments and even family photo shoots.

    Yeah it’s a bullshit move what they seem to pull on Kim at the reunion. How does Kyle allow that to go down? Was it to deflect the actions done to her sister? Did she ask Lisa to blame Kim, so she’d look more angelic for dealing with an alcholic, even though she wanted to beat the punk shit out of her on camera? Yep, Kyle is keeping her promise to her mom, her way. Corporal punishment included.

    • Adgirl says:

      That has seriously bugged me about the inuendos this week about Kim.

      I haven’t seen anything on screen to make me think anyone on BH has a drinking problem. Kim is a flush & flustered woman who is dying to run home and hang out with her kids (= friends).

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        Even if she did have a problem, the reunion is not the place for this to be discussed. She signed up for HW’s not Intervention! She’s got a caring family and grown children, who could have done this at home, off camera. For her to be called out in that forum was wrong.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        IMO – she was called out at the reunion because other family interventions didn’t work. Many of Kim’s scenes and talking heads show signs of too much something something. I think Lisa knows alot more about what’s going on with Kim than we do and sincerely wants Kim to get help.

        • Katie says:

          Based on the previews I’ve seen it looks like to me that Andy gets on Kyle regarding the way she treats Kim and as Kyle has alluded to there is past history between them (my guess this is where the drinking problems come in) and that is some how the excuse for how and why Kyle treats her sister badly. So Lisa sticks up for her friend and officially outs Kim for a drinking problem that I assume is based on the past. Kim does act goofy at times on screen but I don’t think that has anything to do with drinking.

          At least this how it all plays out in my head.

          • California35 says:

            hhmm maybe that is it. Because in reality, we have seen how Kyle and Kim act tours each other, but no reference to alcohol or drug abuse yet. We saw previews of tonight’s show and the reunion (WOW!!), and comments here that have made me think about the drinking etc. I guess we will see tonight and at the reunion.
            What you are saying though, sounds about right Lisa defending Kyle and both mentioning things about Kim so we can understand the reason Kyle has been that way tours Kim. Maybe tonight we see the true or some of it. Also, I think Kim saying that Lisa (and Tylor) are not Kyle’s friends is what made Lisa snap at Kim. Something I had not seen before.

      • quincyil says:

        I think Kyle and Kim have lived their entire lives in public so they have no inclination to keep some things private.

        Kyle made an interesting statement in one of the interviews in the beginning of the series. She said that Tina Louise walked up to her and said that Kyle’s mother was a whore so Kyle had another baby. That is so strange and yet it seems to be her pattern in live.

        • TLM says:

          Kyle was talking to another actor, and said she was IN A MOVIE where someone (maybe Tina) said that line to her. She was just demonstrating that line. I didn’t remember her saying anything about having another baby in response to that at all, and I’ve seen that scene many times.

  14. quincyil says:

    I just went through days and days of tweets from Jill Zarin. There is not one tweet congratulating Simon van Kempen for his Bravotv.com video cast. She did talk about her dogs hurt foot and enjoying lunch with Kyle Richards though. I guess a video podcast is no big deal on Planet Zarin even if Simon is your good friend.

    • icantstandthetoxicity says:

      LOL! I posted a similiar comment further up. Since we all know that Jill reads this board, I’m sure she will congratulate him on Twitter later on. Then again, maybe she is so jealous because Bravo probably won’t EVER consider her for a spin-off. I think the only way Jill will ever get her own reality show is if she posts her own videos on Youtube, like Kelly does. LOL!

      • vilzvet says:

        Hey, whatever happened to Kellamity’s proposed webcast of A Day in the Life? Was that just a thought in her blank slate head? Thank goodness no one took her up on it.

        • icantstandthetoxicity says:

          I don’t think anyone was interested in producing a webcast about a day in her life. I remember when she announced in an interview that there was going to be a webcast. That was in the summer and I haven’t heard anything about her webcast since then. I guess she will have to continue to post her boring home videos on Youtube.

      • quincyil says:

        GMTA because we all know Jill so well.

        I am going to open the Lynn Family Soothsayer University with doctorates in Jill Zarin Tweetology, Jill Zarin Animal Husbandry, Jill Zarin Interior Design, Jill Zarin Science of Gemology with a sub specialty on manipulating your significant other, Jill Zarin Friendology with two subspecialites: Bethenny Franklin and Alex Mccord, Jill Zarin Fashion Design Institute with a subspecialty limited to size 1 clothing, Jill Zarin English grammar with two subspecialities: conjugation of verbs and alliteration, and finally there will be a lecture series featuring Lynn Hudson and her entire board as experts in the prediction of what Jill Zarin is going to do in Season Four.

        You have seen the promos… I think we all are pretty sure who that thug in a cocktail dress is. Ramona tweeted that it wasn’t her. Sonja was upset about someone misbehaving at a party so it wasn’t her. Neither Sonja nor Alex would call the star of Scary Island a thug as they know she has something very wrong. The new lady is busy removing the hair from the other cast members bodies. So…. who is left?

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          The one crying in the limo that she didn’t want it to go that way……the ever repentant, never changing Jill Zarin!

        • If You Had It Like This says:

          It’s a dream of mine that it turns out to be the Countess. I’m sure it’s not but she does seem to go after Alex a bit over Jill.

  15. Adgirl says:

    Top Chef.

    Dale has improved this season – but he really screwed everyone during dimsum service, he only made 8 iems for the judges. In general he seems a happier man,

    I love Tre, but he always make a version of the same dish? Pork shoulder/rib/belly basted slowly etc.

    And I have a crush on Antonia now. Will you please be my friend? She is always so cute, warm and down to earth. That giggle!

  16. Adgirl says:

    Marcel, earlier this season I thought you had matured out of your little punk routine.

    Angelo, I think I’m finally getting you.
    You’re New Age-y & arrogant. That was really nice of you to support Marcel. Maybe you sense he’s an oddball too that doesn’t connect with a the boys club either.

    I don’t think that you intend to mess up other people’s food when you “help” them with their dishes during challenges. But you ought to keep your hands to yourself and chant instead of sq.

    • Adgirl says:

      oops, accidently entered “send” before I was done … Angelo should chant instead of squirting lime juice or whatever all over someone’s dish to “improve” it.

  17. WindyCityWondering says:

    Watching the marathon of RHBH with different eyes.
    Camille should do so as well – she hasn’t said anything nice about anyone yet! DeDe is the matches to her gasoline.
    And the actual NYC dinner was about Kelsey not going to Hawaii so who would want to see Camille without him. The insecurity thing is secondary to it and somehow it got thrown into the mix in the suite before dinner. Oh Taylor. Oh Kim. Together you really created this monster and neither of you are woman enough to own it. Tonight will be fun because Lisa just has to call Taylor out and in turn Taylor will call Kim out. Then Kim will wig out and Kyle will freak out and we will get the fall out at the reunion. Not bad for a rookie season!

    • TLM says:

      I have been wanting An American Family to be released on DVD, and sadly, this has not been done. I have heard that getting clearances for music appearing in the original series was the reason, but it seems ridiculous for this groundbreaking work to be kept from the public almost 40 years later, and should be able to be worked out. Sadly, Lance Loud is dead. The producers did two follow-up specials on the Louds, one that showed them ten years later, and one that chronicled Lance’s death. Diane Lane is one of my favorite actors, but I don’t know that I see her in the role of Pat Loud. I will definitely watch the finished film, but I would much rather have the opportunity to view the original series rather than snippets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Family

  18. Sha2000 says:

    Oh! So glad that we won’t be treated to watching Chads bangs on MDL this season; even though I only catch it in reruns.

    • quincyil says:

      I really wonder what happened between Bravo and Chad. The girl friend seemed to leave him with the dog at the end of the show. The way he treated his girl friend was really odd. It was as if she didn’t exist. She was smart to say , “Adios.”

      • twoile says:

        @Q Did U catch the info re the Hilton….RE agency Chad was listed last…I was surprised…didn’t expect to se him there. Oh maybe he isn’t, that would explain a lot.=)

        • quincyil says:

          The one from waxdiva’s stooopid housewives site? I did see that list, but didn’t read all of them. I’ll look at that.
          Thank you.

  19. Kellita says:

    I’m going to an event tonight and won’t be home until late, so I can’t watch the last BH episode until tomorrow. Ugh! (Although I may sneak on here and read people’s comments as my preview when I get home.) It should be interesting!

  20. suzyqtip says:

    Adrienne & Taylor were on Wendy Williams this morning. Must be in N.Y. to do WWHL tonight. Wendy said Russell treated Taylor disgusting, & Adrienne agrees she doesn’t like the way he treats her. They are now in counseling. She also asks about Camille, Adrienne hair glitter, yada yada, nothing really new here.

    • California35 says:

      Thanks for sharing…maybe this gives us an idea on how they will be tonight….

    • Adgirl says:

      Did anyone ask Adrienne about how she treats Paul? LOL.

      • suzyqtip says:

        Wendy said she thinks Paul & Adrienne are cute and make a good couple, but she has read on blogs (maybe this one???!!!!) that people think she is mean to him. Adrienne says,”that word mean ,uh…, we bicker, it’s not bittersweet it’s bicker sweet”.

  21. PattiStinker says:

    Since your comments are pre-approved I figured this is the best to confront you rather than on twitter because I tried to respond to your Direct Message and your not following me.
    My issue with you is, your the reason that I made the account @pattistinker. I’m a 23 year old stay at home Mom and a avid reader of your blog. I figured it would be fun to mock Patti Stanger since she is such a bully and to provide entertainment. I have had issues with @gracecharles @gracestarrs . When I first made the account @pattistinker I was having a conversation with someone and here comes this person @gracecharles saying “these fake accounts are going to stop” I had never said a word to her. It’s ok for accounts like @gingerzarin though.
    Anyways, I told her that if she didn’t like it she didn’t have to follow me. I hadn’t heard from her after that for a while. Every time I get a follower I follow back, I don’t care who likeswho. I noticed a person @gracestarrs was following me. I thought it may have been @gracecharles because of the avatar but followed anyways, thought maybe she was just on the rag that day or just having a bad day. To back track a bit on my page it used to read “Are you having a twitter love spat that needs intervention for the right fee I can intervene” Of course that was a joke. It was a mockery of Patti Stanger.Well, people took it literally and had requests that weren’t “love spats” My inbox would get filled with them. So finally I just took it down because people took it the wrong way and literally.
    So one day, I decided to erase some messages and noticed alot were from @gracestarrs regarding @gumby not tot metnion all with in a couple days of eachother. During that time @gumby was participating in my “shows’ so I never had a reason not to like her as people started to tell me things about her. Honestly, I didn’t care she was nice to me and I’m not Jill Zarin. I then started noticed how grace was taunting her. Let’s just say if you would like to see the the messages I would be more than happy to show you. This gets to my purpose of writing you. I noticed you quit following me when I was trying to respond to your direct message. Someone suggested it’s because I had a fight with your friend @gracestarrs and if that is the reason Lynn then that is VERY JILL ZARIN OF YOU. Maybe if you knew more than what she is telling you like my messages from her, then you would think twice before you stop following people for her.
    Your not on twitter that much anymore, so you can’t say it takes up your time line because if that were the case then Grace’s taunting tweets to Gum’s would also take up your time line too.
    I have never done anything to you Lynn, matter in fact we have interacted well, I lost followers because I followed you which is fine because if someone is not gonna follow me because of you then it’s no loss and I don’t socialize with people like that in real life. My point is I hope your not being like Jill Zarin by un following me because of a friend of yours and I has an issue. She has been taunting a “fan” of mine lol as I say fan on twitter and sending me nasty messages because I didn’t respond and that was the reason of my blow up on her.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Once again I am reaffirmed that Twitter is a ridiculous method of communication.

      For all you here that I care for so much.. I beg you to be FREE!!!! Do NOT look into the the Twitter light!! Look away from twittering and come back to a stress free life of snarking on Housewives 🙂

      • Need a Hobby says:

        It’s not the medium, it’s the messenger. As amply illustrated.

        Those with a high noise to signal ratio on twitter do not in long form suddenly become trenchant wits and sages.

        Think of twitter as espresso to unfettered prose’s coffee: if one is a boob in long form, one’s boobacity is simply distilled to its essential essence on twitter. And perhaps therefore more evident.

  22. Katie says:

    Lisa was on Ellen’s show today, did anyone watch? Anything to share?

    • California35 says:

      Not yet, it will be recorded since I am not home.

    • suzyqtip says:

      Again, nothing really new here. Same ol’ watch tonight & next weeks reunion as things all come together. Wouldn’t confirm Cedric had moved out, again watch & find out. Ellen did present Lisa with a pimped out pink stroller complete with chandeliers & wine glasses for pushing Giggy around. Lisa did say she would come back for another season though.

    • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

      She looked very pretty, but her dress was so tight and her heels were so high she could barely walk.

      • Katie says:

        I think Lisa wears her clothes way too tight and way too high heels and trying to walk in them makes her look older than she is. Just like when younger females do the same they look like they are playing dress up. IMHO

        • quincyil says:

          I wait in the international part of the airports and have noticed that the flights from Europe have many very nicely dressed European women in very high heels traveling to the US.

          • Katie says:

            I think it looks great if they can actually walk in them, when they can’t not so much

            • suzyqtip says:

              Lisa looked really pretty though. Adrienne on Wendy Williams looked like a hooker in a very shiny cheap looking pink dress with black stockings with these designs on them (don’t know what they were-flowers?) Very cheap and tacky. Definately in need of a stylist. Taylor did look pretty in a black strapless dress.

              • vilzvet says:

                I was watching Oprah in Australia instead. The Croc Hunter’s family was tearjerking. The little girl is now a young lady and the little boy is a chip off the old block. Terri the widow was not able to keep her composure.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          If her dress is tight enough then her parts won’t jiggle.

  23. quincyil says:


    I found this on the internet…it was published at 11 am today.

    Cesar Galindo, a Houston native and designer of a clothing line described his experience. “I was in prison for a month and one half.” They would finish one show and push on to the next because of their budget. It was filmed last summer in NYC and they had to deal with the heat.

    Dominique David is assisting Cesar in his latest collection. He is friends with Jeffrey Williams. Cesar’s comments on Calvin Tran are powerful: “No one should tolerate a Calvin Tran as a client or contestant, he was nasty, he was constantly trying to scheme and figure out a strategy. If he wins, the show should be called, “Ultimate Bitch.” It wasn’t about Dynasty, it’s all about designing. ”

    I don’t think Dominique won because she’s working for Calvin. I haven’t seen anything about Jeffrey’s current work, but I am looking. I’m a little shocked that Cesar is still so angry because it’s been months since he had the experience with Calvin. I really thought that Jeffrey would win because the judges loved his work from day one and so many times they asked for his dresses.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Dearest Q…I would never had watch this show if it was not for your re-caps. This link is a great find. Interesting enough Dominique is from Ojai, CA and my sister in law live there for about 15 years. If Dominique did grow up in Ojai she did know my sister in law. She was the local elementary school secretary for all 15 years. Everyone knew my sister in law. Small world. f.y.i: 4th of July is Ojai is the best. Love that town.

      • Adgirl says:

        Isn’t Fabio’s restaurant in the Ojai area?

      • quincyil says:


        Holy cow! Look at the comments section of this article on Cesar being “out of fashion.” Calvin Tran is there in the comments section saying that he tweeted that article. I went to Calvin Tran’s twitter and he did tweet it. There are some cryptic comments there that make you wonder what is going on too.

        I have been googling the people who were dismissed from the show and in the past I did mention an article about Golnessa and the Gretchen double spanx measurement fiascal. Never… have I seen a comment from another contestant in the comment section before.

        There is nothing on Jeffrey out there that I can find. I think either Calvin or Jeffrey won. Jeffrey has had some bloopers in the past. Calvin never won a design prize and his pregnant lady design was not liked enough by Isaac to be hated.

        I am actually afraid that Calvin pulled this off and that is why Cesar is furious. It’s my soothsayer alert going off…

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Sounds like Ceasar has kept in contact with the other contestants and like Kelly on Scary Island – Bravo left another monster unchecked. He didn’t reveal who won but it does make it clear who might of and shouldn’t have at the same time.

          • quincyil says:

            I think he shared the secret with us. If Dominique or Jeffrey had won, he would have been happy. The fact that he is furious speaks volumes.

          • quincyil says:


            In this article, Isaac speaks of next weeks finale winner and says that it was almost a perfect collection. He says that we will be surprised.

            If the house of Emerald had won, Calvin would have been sent home so it was Dominique’s designs that won this week.

            Isaac also says that Cesar’s designs pulled down the House of Emerald. So the designs of Jeffrey were the better. Yet, Isaac claims that Jeffrey has problems with construction.

            Isaac’s idea of a perfect collection is the key. Isaac has loved Jeffrey and Dominiques designs this entire series. It was rare for him to like Calvin’s designs.

            • Kansas Girl says:

              That’s a really enlightening article! Good find! The way I read it, Calvin does not win. I think Isaac was giving us a lot of clues.

              • quincyil says:

                I think that Jeffrey was the one who had dresses that Isaac wanted for his collection several times. Isaac never said that to any other person.

  24. mamecastle says:

    I love the re-cap, as always! But I have to disagree, I think Dale is a pouty, simpering, accusatory little bitch & I hope he goes home soon. He is always throwing fits & I remember in his season he was constanly hitting walls, etc… I think they all came back a little wiser (looking at you, Tiffany!) but he is still really yucky.
    I cannot wait for tonight! I have started a new policy in my house, only take-out for dinner on Thursdays & my husband deals with any homework issues on this night as well. I don’t hate Camille with the same white-hot passion as I did a couple of weeks ago, she is smart to keep her mouth shut at this point. After WWHL, I almost, but not quite, felt a little sorry for her. I’m sure she’ll sabotage herself on the reunion. Love it!

    • California35 says:

      Hey! I should practice the take-out dinner for Thursdays also 🙂

      I won’t get home until late tonight, in a way its good because it will be recorded by the time I get home, so I can skip the commercials 🙂

      • Cusi77 says:

        @California35! I used to live in Simi Valley and I attended Moorpark College to obtain my ESL! We were neighbors!

        • California35 says:

          You know where I live?

          • Cusi77 says:

            You mentioned up tread! I have been trying to catching up with the comments. I was so surprised because we could have met sometime there. The is less than three years ago I move to Vegas.

            • California35 says:

              Fabio’s restaurant is in Moorpark…

              But, yeah I live in the Ventura county. I just don’t remember saying where I live, only that I live in SCal and might have said that I live near LA.

              Its okay…so you live in Vegas but used to live here? I have lived in South California from S Barbara to Granada Hills. I never got used to Granada Hills…mostly becasue of the weather. I have always live close to the beach except then.

              • Cusi77 says:

                I used to work in Thousand Oaks. The city of Ventura is beautiful and Santa Barbara “to die for”! I lived in Simi for about 5 years.

                • Cusi77 says:

                  Is that Restaurant Fabio’s in that place that used to be “The Secret Garden” in High Street?

                  Or in L.A. Ave.?

                  • California35 says:

                    I don’t know what it used to be, but it is in LA avenue. There is a small theater and some stores and banks. It is Cafe Firenze.

                • California35 says:

                  I work in TO!!! wow you are right we could have been neighbors. 🙂 Althought I began working here about the time you moved out.

  25. Adgirl says:

    Cedric ….
    I have no idea if he is scammer but I would think with all of the Vanderpump-Todd money they would have hired a PI to try to find his mother, as a gift to Cedric.

    I think Cedric’s anger is jealousy of the Vanderpump-Todd kids, and the money they will have. Lisa and Ken did adopt one of their children.

    I’ll bet Cedric thought they would adopt him!
    Seriously, because Lisa acts so maternal towards him ” Cedric is part of our family” I think he really, really expected it.

    That’s why he told Ken he hated all of them.

    • quincyil says:

      They could have investigated this. Do they have foster care and social services like that in France? It sounded like what we have here in America with kids being moved from family to family.

      • Adgirl says:

        He could have been abandoned or a runaway.

        I still think he was expecting Lisa and Ken to adopt him now as an adult.

        He kept saying to Lisa “if you make me leave I will be losing my only family” with his lost puppy face.

        • Kansas Girl says:

          He’s over 30 now, isn’t he? And he’s been with them for 10-15 years? Less? He has a college degree. It seems to me he’s been with them as an adult, not a young kid. I’m having trouble imagining that the relationship was such that they’d adopt him.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            ITA – he mooched off them and played on Lisa’s sympathy until they got tired of it! He didn’t have a job or the good sense to help out without being asked. People have had worse childhood then (cough) his – and went on to live good, productive, self sufficient lives!

  26. Cusi77 says:

    Oh! My! I feel this excitement like when I was a child and Santa was coming tonight!

    I know,,, is crazy! But I can hardly wait for tonight RHOBH final!

    Someone else feeling exited?

    • California35 says:

      I am, I keep coming in and out here also 😛

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Yes I am waiting in anticipation of an interesting finale – which I will watch twice and know I will wake up tired tomorrow! So bring it on Santa, I am ready!

    • Debbie says:

      I am too!! I am so glad we will all be watching it together (or close together, I know time differences and the like) I’m as excited for the reunion too. Does anyone know if it will be in 2 parts or just 1 part?

  27. Katie says:

    BTW – I went back to look to see if Kim was ever on camera drinking and I could not find anything. On the plane ride to the b-ball game she toasted but was not shown drinking. She was around booze and other people drinking for example at both dinners and no drinks for her.

    • HD says:

      I kept trying to look to when I watched the show and I don’t recall her drinking if so not like I would imagine a through and through alcholic drinking. I am sure most of us know one. I have plenty in my family. Maybe she is one of those closet drinkers or maybe she got help. Has it been confirmed that indeed she is an alcoholic?

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Kim has been linked to doing rehab for both substance and alcohol since her 20s. She doesn’t do it openly but the results would be the same – slurred words, nonsense answers, outbursts, balance issues and blank stares. My spidey senses, not to be confused with Quincy’s channeling abilities, say Kim’s condition may have made shooting difficult at times. Kyle wants her to do well and gets frustrated when she comes to shoots messed up….Kyle loves her and tries to protect her without coming right out and putting it on tv. And Lisa strikes me as tough love when tough love is necessary – which is what I sense happened at the reunion.

    • California35 says:

      I kept trying to remember also, but I don’t remember either way. That could be a sign that she should not drink, maybe? I don’t know.

      Wouldn’t it be funny if the one with the problem was Kyle insted? 😛 or anyone else, but if it was Kyle it would be one of those “wooo, did not see that coming” kind of thing 😛

    • Cusi77 says:

      Katie_ I was paying attention in the episode in Camille’s dinner “house of horrors” and I did not watch Kim drink more tha coke and water at the table.

      • quincyil says:

        I think it’s Kim because of the book on the Hiltons and articles that I read while researching the net.

      • California35 says:

        I do remember that because I know the “others” Camille and friends were.

      • Adgirl says:

        My girlfriend took anti-anxiety or mood elevating medication for a while. She stopped quite awhile ago but she still seems like she is drunk or impaired.
        Very strange and sad.

  28. TLM says:

    Kim has never acted drunk to me, just flaky, however, I imagine there are “functioning alcoholics” who have such a high tolerance they don’t appear drunk even after consuming a lot of alcohol. But who knows. I guess we’ll see what happens at the reunion.

    I think Alison Dubious actually did call everything correctly, except that she got the wrong person. All of these things apply to Camille: Married just once, headed for divorce; current husband will never fulfill emotionally; talks more easily to men than to women. All Camille, Camille, Camille. Camille even said, “That’s me!” Why, then, when Kyle AND Camille agreed that applied to Camille only, did Alison Dubious continue to attack Kyle? Especially since Alison Dubious supposedly knew NOTHING ABOUT NEW YORK?

    I don’t know why I didn’t pick up on the obvious lie that Faye Resnick caught. The irony is that Camille AND Alison Dubious accused of Faye of coming there with an agenda.

    I wish I had gotten popcorn at the market yesterday for tonight’s show. Eh well, I should be drinking water anyway. If water is my substitute for popcorn, I should drink a good gallon during tonight’s show. The more anxious I get, the more I tend to munch.

  29. Adgirl says:

    Re: Cedric and possibly angling for adult adoption by Lisa and Ken.

    He’s delusional. He’s pampered. He’s got a sad story. Take me in and keep me.
    I think if he could have married into the family he would have gone that route.

    I’m just getting at that Cedric’s sense of entitlement seems to be focused on Lisa’s maternal behavior and he may have developed an idea that he could exploit it for financial reasons. It’s all about Lisa and using her to cement his way into money.
    Cedric: “Why do her kids get to have it and I don’t? Hasn’t she said a million times I’m one of the family?? Let’s make it legal.”

    It’s pretty hard to give up the mansion lifestyle if you can figure out a way to make it permanent.

    If this doesn’t work he’ll have to find a rich old queen.

    • TLM says:

      Cedric wasn’t very smart. He could have easily asked Lisa for recommendations for jobs, and since she’s well connected, he could have gotten a job as a celebrity assistant, model, or any number of things. He could have had a smooth transition into a good job and his own place. Instead he just lived with her, lounged around and went shopping until things turned sour. He stayed too long at the party, even when it was clear that it was time for him to go. Lisa may have enjoyed spending time with him, but she wasn’t going to split up with her husband for him. Now he not only severed ties with her, but the bad publicity from his split with Lisa will affect future opportunities and brand him as a scam artist.

      I don’t know how much of his story I believe, but whatever the truth was, it is a shame Lisa and Ken were left feeling like they were slapped in the face and made fools of in exchange for their generosity.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Cedric could have gotten much training in the Todd’s restaurants not to mention a JOB….he is a pretty boy with a sad story and he found an easy mark in the maternal nature of Lisa. It didn’t sound like Ken was ever on board with the Cedric – he just wanted his wife to be happy.

  30. Debbie says:

    If Bravo does want Camille back next season I think we will know it tonight. According to a lot of media outlets, Camille will only come back for a 2nd season if she is “edited” better. Honestly, with Kelsey and her Kelsey issues out of the picture next season, Bravo would have no use for her as she is boring without the Kelsey drama. She’s a bitch to everyone but not on her own. She can only be a bitch when she is married to a TV star and has his clout. Without her husbands “station in life”, she will have to become real humble real quick. Humble and Camille=Boring TV.

    • TLM says:

      She’ll still have a lot of money, so that’s something, but it will still be boring. When you think of it, her life on-camera won’t be that different since Kelsey almost never made an appearance during the show. She’ll still have enough money that she won’t be forced in to a Lauri Waring situation, living in a small townhouse and asking a friend to let her work for them. That would be the only think I would enjoy watching, frankly. If her station in life changes, I don’t think it will be by much. 2 nannies instead of 4, maybe? A 4,000 square foot house instead of an 8,000 square foot one? Everything will still be grand by normal standards.

      Camille wouldn’t get a say over how she is edited unless she was an executive producer of the show, and that isn’t going to happen, nor should it. I fully expect that after her Bravo stint is over she’ll be pitching her own reality show similar to Denise Richards’ “It’s Complicated” show.

      • Adgirl says:

        Good edit?
        Camille shops. Camille tennis. Camille in bikini.

        Camille sadly but bravely becomes a single mom.

      • Debbie says:

        That is what I was trying to say. Although Kelsey isn’t in the show, he was all Camille talked about in the show. I do really believe he intended for the her to be shown to the world for the bitch she is.

  31. jeang says:

    Off topic, as of today I can only find separate wikipedia accounts for betheny, kelly and luann. the others are all lumped under the rhny account. Surely some of the wicked witch jillous minions rectify this aggregious injustice too sweet.

  32. tweatcyn says:

    @PattyStanker-Shut Up Already!

  33. Jennifer Neehan says:


    I love this comment “he might as well have been speaking Teresa Giudice’s made up Italian”. Hehehehe.

    Americans don’t seem to realize that just like here where we have different accents and ways of speaking, there are different accents and dialects for different regions within European countries. And….. as in Germany with its “high German” for the elite and “low German” from the middle and lower classes, there are different forms of a language for the educational and economical level of the speaker. Usually people leaving a country to re-settle in the U.S. are not of the elite upper level of the society they are leaving. Immigrants are usually impoverished and not too well educated and are immigrating in hope of having a better life and education for their children.

    Having said all that, I think it explains the type of Italian Teresa talks.


    • DarkSonnet says:

      “Despite what many people believe this term referring to the type of language spoken in Germany, has nothing to do with class or scholarly attributes.
      High German is a translation of Hochdeutsch. It refers to the languages that were spoken inland in the more mountainous regions. Low German or Plattdeutsch is connected with the northern, lowland areas. It is purely a geographical distinction.
      Part of the confusion has arisen because Hochdeutsch was the dialect of the Hanover region. It assumed a similar status to Oxford English. The fact the Hochdeutsch is better than Plattdeutsch is a misconception that no amount of linguistic or historical argument has been able to erase.
      On a linguistic level the high German has given rise to modern dialects like Bavarian and Yiddish whereas low German entered the languages of English, Flemish, Dutch and other lowland countries in the northern hemisphere.”

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Teresa’s Italian was taught at home by her parents – no way did she ever study the beautiful language formally. So she has neither a mastery of Italian nor English – but ain’t she nice!

  34. AZ Girl says:

    From all the post up tread I think BH’s finale is one of the most anticipated finales in quite some time. I can’t wait. I hope we are not let down.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Maybe we should consider scaling back our expectations?? It is Bravo after all. 🙂

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Hey its nice to hear you again – you were missed.

      • Katie says:

        Yes and could it be that we are just bored? Just kidding I too am looking VERY forward to it and I kind of hate myself for caring but I do.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Ranking up there with waiting for Scary Island part two.
      Is Bravo getting better at this franchise formula or is it that NY and BH had better material/wives to work with?

  35. quincyil says:

    Boston, this is for you.

    Kikilet tweeted:

    Ahh. Wow. I won Hollywood life’s hottest bikini girl. @BonnieFuller I am so FLATTERED.

    A poll:

    Kikilet tweeted:

    Ahh. Wow. I won Hollywood life’s hottest bikini girl. @BonnieFuller I am so FLATTERED.

  36. Adgirl says:

    Maybe Cedric is just pissed and didn’t want to move because he won’t be on tv anymore getting famous and (probably) compensated by Bravo. LOL.
    He can try to get on the gay reality show on another network and hang out with that other star chasing fame whore Riechen.

    • Katie says:

      Oh I’m sure that has a lot to do with it, why move out now when the cameras are rolling. But you triggered a thought Cedric and Riechen together would be fun to watch.

  37. TLM says:

    Someone above mentioned Kelly being on Wikipedia. I went there and discovered there was NOTHING about her crazy crackup on there, just that she “has appeared on Real Housewives.” Well, I added the following section, and I hope people here will keep that entry honest by re-posting it even if KKB deletes it; I fully expect that to happen. Unfortunately for her, you can’t delete history.
    ===The Real Housewives of New York City===

    Killoren Bensimon appeared in Season 3 of Bravo’s popular reality show, The Real Housewives of New York City.[11] She famously suffered a nervous breakdown at the end of Season 3, which was captured on camera in the episode, Sun, Sand and Psychosis. During this episode, which was filmed in St. John, USVI, Bensimon lashed out at co-stars Bethenny Frankel and Alex McCord, and made disturbing statements that Frankel was trying to kill her and that McCord was “a vampire.” At one point during a dinner with the cast in St. John, she inexplicably burst into giggles, shouting, “Al Sharpton! Al Sharpton!” Her co-stars said they didn’t understand these statements, nor the reason why Bensimon repeatedly accused Frankel of “being a cook, not a chef” on the trip. Bensimon also accused Frankel of attacking her children in the press, a claim Frankel denied.

    Bensimon was escorted home to New York by a Bravo producer before the scheduled end of the shoot. She later denied this was due to a nervous breakdown, saying she instead had a “nervous breakthrough”. On the three-part reunion for Season 3, Bensimon claimed she never wanted to go on the St. John trip and was forced to go on the trip by Bravo. Bravo Executive President Andy Cohen stated on that same reunion show that Bensimon was never forced to go to St. John. Bensimon accused the other women of bullying her, stating, “It was four against one.”http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20420951.html

    Despite the expectation of many Real Housewives fans that Bensimon would not return to the show after the Season 3 debacle, she was invited back for Season 4, and will appear in that series, which included a trip to Morocco with the rest of the cast. Season 4 of the Real Housewives of New York City is slated to debut on February 15, 2011.

    • jeang says:

      Awesome TLM, I knew there were some computer smart people on here that could remedy some of her crap. Like you stated it will only be a matter of time before she tries to delete that, as will Jillous get herself a flattering wikipedia account as well. Hopefully someone here can add her true attacks on betheny and alex also.

  38. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    Jill’s latest tweets:

    Jillzarin: Would you guys pay $.99/month to subscribe to celebrity VIDEO tweets up to 30 seconds of anything celebrity wants to share?

    After most people said that they wouldn’t pay for this service, she tweeted this:

    Jillzarin: Did you all think I said 99 dollars? I meant 99 cents!

    Here are some of the responses:

    (name deleted) @Jillzarin we know it’s $0.99 cents. It’s just not very classy.

    (name deleted) @jillzarin how can you compare yourself to bieber or pdiddy??

    (name deleted) @Jillzarin I wouldnt pay for them either. I think it is greedy. They make a lot, pander here and now want more. In poor taste @ least for me

    (name deleted) @Jillzarin No, and especially not from YOU!

  39. AZ Girl says:

    Re-watching last week episode. Cedric is so transparent now. Amazing how a small piece of information i.e. clip of Ken at reunion show changes everything on film.

  40. boston02127 says:

    Faaa–loooo home…..bombed around corners on two wheels! (not really two wheels) 8:56! Just in time. Let the cat fights begin!

  41. WSL says:

    No One wants Ill Zarrin for 99 cents !
    Thanks I can’t stand the Toxicity But was there even one response telling ill that they love her ?
    I hope so. Otherwise it’s very pathetic !

    • icantstandthetoxicity says:

      Two people said they would subscribe to her celebrity video tweets. I think she was very surprised that most people said that they wouldn’t. LOL!

  42. boston02127 says:

    Cedric = p.l.a.y.e.r.
    Cedric = l.i.a.r
    Cedric = b.u.m.

  43. boston02127 says:

    Camille…….Here’s a tissue for your issue.

  44. vilzvet says:

    So many here had it right that Kelsey’s new GF went into the NY apartment as “Mrs. Grammer” leading to Camille being refused access. That I do believe. She was pretty blindsided. Well, she did need to be brought down several pegs anyway.

    • boston02127 says:

      I don’t think their marriage could of been rock solid. Also, I feel no pity for her, she’s just too nasty to feel sorry for.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I bet with her IBS, it was all she could do to keep from shitting herself right there in the lobby when she came to the realization that someone was sleeping in her bed.

  45. Katie says:

    Watching the Camille stuff is hard, feel bad for her and the kids.

  46. boston02127 says:

    So far the shocker for me tonight is that fact that Kim can’t put on makeup. But the limo ride is still to come…..

  47. WSL says:

    Unless I am crazy
    Kim has on the same dress Lisa tried on at her house. Pretty,one shoulder w/flowers,black cocktail dress.

  48. Debbie says:

    I just gained a ton of respect for Kim for having the balls to go on ANY HW’s without make-up. Good for her. She may have a problem but I love “real”

  49. @TweatCyn says:

    Here’s a little ditty I found. Cedric Martinez’ website. He’s also on Facebook. His resume page is blank, but there’s lots of photos and press releases for articles about him which I haven’t read yet…Enjoy

    • HD says:

      I wonder with his list of “accomplishments” why did he live with them anyway? Why didn’t he save money and get his own place? I know he is a user. I fell for his hard luck story too. I had a very turbulent upbringing so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. How wrong was I. I saw on the last little clip it sad he and Lisa got in a bad argument so he must have been the one saying he couldn’t stand her or her kids, etc. I cannot believe it! You try to be good to people and they just walk all over you. I have been through that and that hurts and the sad thing is it really taints you when it comes to helping others. Cedric should be ashamed.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I wanted to believe his story on the account that someone lying about that short of thing, is in some ways as bad as it really happening because it makes that person garbage and not a survivor.

        But since last week and it was confirmed this week with his bullshit about not wanting to move because he feels like ‘he would be losing the only family he has’ and ‘out of sight out of mind’ are the greasiest lines I ever heard.

        Lisa and Ken’s own children- who are almost half of Cedric’s age don’t live at home. It’s ridiculous.

        Maybe he can get a webshow with Kato Katlin called- “Couch Surfers no one gives a crap about”.

  50. boston02127 says:

    Kyle wasn’t too quick to jump in and stand up for her sister. I guess Kyle thinks that she’s the only one who deserves that treatment.

  51. Cusi77 says:

    Kim has always been drinking soda or water during the entired season and now I understand why… Alcohol and Kim does NOT mix!

  52. Cusi77 says:

    BTW: BAD aproach Taylor!

  53. Katie says:

    Wow Taylor is a bitch

  54. NMhousewife says:

    Okay….after trying to keep my like for Kyle, I have lost even more respect for her during Taylor’s party. Kim to me did not seem drunk, had no attitude, and Kyle had major attitude the minute Kim entered the party. Who cares if she is late to functions, that is hardly the worst thing a person can be. I know it can be annoying, but hardly something to hold a grudge over.

    Also, I cannot stress enough how much I hate Taylor. Terrible place to hash it out with Kim, purposely didn’t sit down, towered over Kim in a menacing way, and was very hostile to Kim. I don’t blame Kim for not enjoying being around them, they always put her down! Ugg, I am so frustrated…

    • klmh says:

      She didn’t seem drunk to me either.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I thought Kim seemed 1/2 lit. She wasn’t a fall down, obnoxious drunk but I definitely think she would have blown over the legal limit if she was driving.

        I think after seeing “Turtle Time” and Vickie “Whoo Hoo” falling on her butt- Kim does seem sober by comparison.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I agree with everything you said and then some, Taylor was late to her own party but Kyle didn’t seem to mind or notice. She acted like an old lady sitting at a bus stop and Kim was the driver- and because of her- she is going to be late for Bingo.

      Taylor started crap with Kim-and is now trying to pass it off that Kim was drunk.

      Kyle see’s a commotion and automatically accuses Kim (again) of starting with Taylor.

      Kim was obviously in control enough to apologize to Lisa and say that she didn’t mean to question her friendship with Kyle.

      Taylor’s explanation of what happened in NYC only solidifies how she wanted to mess with Kim- by telling Camille that she was talking about her at the airport. I think she wanted to create tension with Kim and Camille.

      Taylor, How about when Camille asks you how the trip was- you just say ‘Fine’- you are a lair and a snitch.

  55. Cusi77 says:

    Thank you LYNN! What would we do without having this forum to talk about what we like about the HW’s? Thank you so much!

  56. @TweatCyn says:

    Um, ok, here is part of an interview Q&A on Cedric’s website:

    “If magic lamp existed and you had 3 wishes, … what would those be?
    My 3 wishes would be, meet mister right and raise a family, make lots of money so I could take care of my sister and her kids, and found out who my father is.”

    Sister? Excuse me, wasn’t he abandoned by his mother at age 7? WTF? If he has a sister why was only he abandoned, and if his mom had one afterwards, did he get back in touch with her and find out he has a new sister? There seems to be a lot he has not said.

  57. @TweatCyn says:

    Surprise Surprise, He’s working on a “tell all book” too. No doubt going to try and humiliate the Todds with exposing family secrets he was privy to. Ass. Totally capitalizing off of their kindness and generosity to him.

    “What is next for you?
    The world is my oyster at the moment. I am finisihing writing a tell all book, i am taking acting classes, doing some modeling again and my ultimate dream is to end up on a soap.”

  58. boston02127 says:

    Grrr…..I can’t not stand Kyle.

  59. WSL says:

    I think Adrian is bored w/her husband & her passion has died. She probably loves him but isn’t in love anymore. That is why she comes across as mean. He irritates her but she needs to go to a therapist to learn to cope with her irritation if she plans to stay in the marriage. She comes across as very disrespectful. It is going to damage the children’s image of their dad if she does’nt learn to at least have the discipline
    to be kind.
    I bet, as she has seen how others see her via the show,she is humiliated ,sorry or she gets a divorce.

  60. boston02127 says:

    Watching this with Kim & Kyle, I think Kyle is more insecure than Kim.

    • Debbie says:

      I can’t figure this one out. My brother is an alchoholic and while I know what Kyle is going through, I would never say such a hurtful thing to Kim about their mom’s death. I asked about Kim’s house earlier today (Look to my earlier post) because I knew that someone else had to be taken care of it. When she was talking to Kyle on the phone from her house (earlier today in a re-run), I thought that house is way too organized for someone who drinks and doesn’t have any help. It reminded me of my brother. I watched the whole season today (On and off) and I swear that when I asked about the house I knew that Kim was being taken care of be someone. I have been living that same nonsense with my brother for years. That episode wasn’t as bad as Andy made it seem. I was preparing for something worse than scary island.

  61. IMJ says:

    The Richards sisters need some serious family counseling. They have decades of resentment built up towards each other.

  62. boston02127 says:

    I didn’t hear what Kim said to Kyle!! You stole my…….??????

    • Shannon says:

      I thought she said house, but I’m not sure.

    • Katie says:

      House is what I heard

      • Katie says:

        I think since Kim worked and paid for it she thought she would get her when her Mom died but obviously Kyle got it. If I’m connecting the dots correctly.

        • quincyil says:

          Kim also said she bought Kyle her first house. I think that Kim supported the family and her mother took the income and used it for all of them.

          • Kansas Girl says:

            Quincy, your reading of the Hilton book review and other sources was right on! Kim was the workhorse, supporting the family. And now no one appreciates that she was made to sacrifice her youth.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          According to “House Of Hilton” the house was left to all the the Richards girls- Big Kathy’s last husband who was at her death bed- got zilch even though he sold his own home and reportedly put the 250k into renovating hers.

          Another Big Kathy step daughter (by another of her husbands) said Big Kathy was always insistent that the houses were always put in her name only-even though the spouse was paying for them.

          Big Kathy reminds me of Zsa Zsa Gabor
          “I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house.”

    • Cusi77 says:

      I think she said “You stole my mother’s house”… of course, with my limited English….

    • suzyqtip says:

      I put on C.C. She said “you stole my G*d damn house!”

  63. boston02127 says:

    I think the only real reason Kyle went down to the limo was to see what was being said about her.

  64. Katie says:

    So what does it take to start a I hate Kyle blog?

  65. NMhousewife says:

    Regardless of any issues Kim is struggling with, she did nothing at this party to embarrass herself (regarding being drunk or doing insane things at the party). Kyle loves to feel superior to Kim and loves to get the othes to feel superior to her also. She says she never had a fight like that with Kim before, but she has since episode one talked down to Kim even during friendly times.

    • quincyil says:

      Bravo showed that what Taylor had claimed was said was incorrect tonight and in the NYC fight. Both times Kim was correct.

      • yes, and how happy does that make us?!

      • Debbie says:

        Yes she was. I feel bad for Kim and I hope she is not being thrown under the bus. I have an alchoholic in my family and Kim doesn’t get mean when she’s drunk like I have seen in a alchoholic. I know everyone’s different. I just feel sad after watching this show.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I know- for such a ‘raging drunk’ she seems to have the best and clearest recollection of anyone who has been involved with drama. I think she is up there with Lisa and Adrienne as far as truthful perceptions of what went on and who said what to who.

  66. HD says:

    WOW!!! Kyle..Kyle…Kyle…really? She clean just went off on her sister. I don’t know what to say…I…I’m stunned…and then to put her business out there. Yeah we kinda knew she drink but damn!

  67. I can’t wait to see Taylor on WWHL tonite!! lets see her weedle out of this one.
    I hope Adrienne stands up for Kim

  68. HD says:

    Was it just me or didn’t it seem like Kyle was lurking waiting for something to pop off?

  69. Miss Katherine says:

    long-time reader… college student… bravo enthusiast

    remember the WWHL episode after the BH premier and Kim was shitfaced? To the point where Kyle practically had her hand over Kim’s mouth? I think it’s awful for Kyle to expose something so personal… dirty fighting, something Jill knows plenty about. The only housewife I actually like is Lisa… Adrian is good too. I feel for Camille, but she behaved boorishly. Kyle had me fooled for a while, just as Jill did.

    • quincyil says:

      Welcome. I agree with you totally. This was an awful thing for Kyle to do to Kim. Does she not know how the public will take viewing all of this? Mauricio probably realizes it. I’m surprised he did not step in and stop this.

      • Kansas Girl says:

        There goes Kim’s hope for more work from Disney. The poor dear.

      • Debbie says:

        Holy shit!! I have been in my own little world watching the whole season today that it just hit me. The WHOLE world is seeing this. Oh my, I am speachless and feel a little dumb.

  70. Cusi77 says:

    WOW! This was an exploding final. I never thought that the struggle between Kyle and Kim was that Kim was alcoholic… believe me, been there, done that, IT is very difficult to live with an alcoholic!

    • Katie says:

      Yes and like many diseases it’s hard to live with, but it is a disease and there is no reason why Kyle the sister and Lisa who knew the disease and issue couldn’t step in and get Taylor out of Kim’s face. Just have the girls back like Adrienne did.

      Kyle showed so much support for Taylor regarding the marriage issues why can’t she do the same for her sister.

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        There comes a time though that it is impossible to have that persons back anymore. My step-father was an alcoholic. You can try and help them, cover for them, but it is ultimately up to them to get help and be a responsible adult. My mom almost lost her house because of him spending all the money at the local watering hole. Thank goodness my mother divorced him. Unfortunately for my step-father, he drank himself into an early grave.

      • error404 says:

        Kim is an alcoholic. Kyle is a popular girl who loves to get her girlfriends to help her mock her dorky sister. Kyle is past 40, but if you went by her behavior, you’d think she was 16.

    • Cusi77 says:

      explosing? I can’t find the word… gosh!

  71. Katie says:

    Can’t blame Kathy Hilton (the 3rd sister) for not wanting to be any where near this show.

  72. WindyCityWondering says:

    The sisters’ relationship is complex and goes back to their childhood. Kyle tries to take care of Kim but Kim won’t take care of herself. If you have ever had an unstable alcoholic family member it would give you a clue as to the horrible dynamic those two can’t break free of and how much it hurts the family and friends. The ending said it all – Kim’s family put her in rehab (she didn’t want to go), she checked herself out (she didn’t acknowledge her problem) and she is living on day at a time (she wants the cycle to continue). And Kyle – she wants her sister. Very sad for everyone.

  73. HD says:

    How about Kelsy saying to Camille, “I already won”. Ouch!

  74. Zipit Zarin says:

    So, Kyle and Mauricio have been making payments for things for Kim? Is that what Kyle said? I’m still digesting the whole thing.

    • Katie says:

      That’s what it sounded like.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        Thanx Katie 😀 Wowzer. My first thought is always “Why would you go on national tv when you have all this dirty laundry that you’re hiding?” People are nuckin futs!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      It sounds like it to me – they saved her house but she thinks they stole it? I would love to see the hours of film edited out – because there are way to many telling, warning looks and missing portions that would make the conversations make sense.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        Who knows if their Mom put the house in Kyle’s name for Kim, because she felt Kyle was more responsible. But now, Kyle acts like it’s hers because she’s the record owner and pays the taxes? She did act territorial telling Kim’s daughters they left the house dirty. That is suspect, that a house that was purchased by a child actors earnings, was given to another child.

        • quincyil says:

          Some one has to pay upkeep and taxes on the Palm Springs house. I bet that monthly bill goes to Mauricio.
          The original funds came from Kim’s work, but Kyle is paying now. Each is correct and thus the conflict.

    • Cusi77 says:

      Zipit_Shocking, right?

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        YES Cusi! I’m just amazed that people want fame so badly they risk everything for it. I guess that’s what the Faustian agreement is.

        • quincyil says:

          Goethe, I love it. This is one of the reasons that I love the members of Lynn’s board. It’s more than a discussion of a group of housewives. This is a discussion of Human behavior and philosophy. Thank you so much for this post.

  75. WindyCityWondering says:

    I loved Adrienne’s shoes! But I would keep them on the mantle so I could look at them and not be hurt by them!

  76. error404 says:

    Kim hates conflict but Kyle thrives on it! Kyle feeds on it. She’s always spoiling for a good fight, and loves to call anyone who even hints that she’s anything less than perfect, insane.

    Poor Taylor. She’s pure evil and has now kicked off two insanely useless and hurtful fights, but somehow Camille stole her thunder. Taylor really deserves to be “America’s most hated housewife”.

    • boston02127 says:

      Taylor is like an unmade bed. It’s almost as if she moved to Hollywood and married the first man with a dollar sign over his head and then bought everything all at once. She’s never got the pulled together look.

      • she had a fight w/ Russell before party, clearly. her husband gave
        a crap-ass toast. Taylor wanted to take out mean on someone-
        perfect, Kim’s here and Lisa told me to do it! It’s all Lisa’s

    • klmh says:

      Tell me why?

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Kyle certainly has a hair-trigger temper, doesn’t she. It would sure be hard to be around that — you’d never know what might get her going.

      • klmh says:

        Sadly, she treats her friends better than she treats her sister, but obviously the history, the competition and the resentments aren’t there.

  77. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Kyle is whore-rrible! That witch never fooled me, from the start. She was bossy, criticized everything about Kim, demanded thanks for all her deeds and wont let viewers or friends forget how hard she has it “caring” for sister. She was so close to violence, I doubt it was the first time, as Kim cowered, and knew to do so. Had Adrienne not been there it could have been worse than the vicious insults and intimidation.

  78. jeang says:

    Like Lisa said, regardless of what was said at the airport as to who said what, Taylor was wrong to tell Camille any of that unless she was trying to stir the pot. Which obviously she was, just like tonight, to start all this again at the poor pitiful Taylors unhappily married birthday party. I dont feel sorry for Taylor at all, she is playing the victim in friendships and marriage. Poor Kennedy.

  79. Did the other girls know Taylor started it, or do they think they were “just talking?”

  80. Scorpiosue1102 says:

    Not that I am excusing Kyle’s behavior, but I’ve lived with an alcoholic and it is a whole different ball of wax when you add an alcohol to the mix. Money goes down the drain, you have to cover up for their behavior, deal with mood swings, the lack of someone acting like a responsible adult….it is draining. There comes a time when you blow. It’s not pretty and I think we saw Kyle’s blow. And it wasn’t pretty. There’s a lot more to all of this.

    • Katie says:

      Of course but. . .
      Why go on the show?
      Why bring it all up on the show?
      Why not have Kim’s back?
      Kim can’t be blamed for the temper we saw Kyle had with other HW’s.
      I want Kyle to admit that Kim did nothing wrong at the airport and Taylor did stir the pot.
      In addition to not liking Kyle, I’m pissed at Bravo for exploiting Kim’s situation

      • error404 says:

        God only knows what goes on in the f-ed up Richards family, but Kyle looks like a fool making such a huge deal out of the fact that Kim didn’t back up her story about what she said to Camille. WWIII started over nothing.

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        Because THAT is your normal and you are used to covering up and making everything all hunky-dory.

        Why bring it up on the show? Who knows? But when you are in the heat of the moment all kinds of things happen. You don’t think you’ll see a verbal spat with a drunk step-father at a circus, but it happens. It’s embarrassing an becomes all too real at the moment. Other people around you are just in the peripheral.

        Does Kyle have a temper? She does. Yet having an alcoholic for a family member changes you. It’s not a real family dynamic.

    • Cusi77 says:

      Scorpi_ I live that 18 years. It is EXACTLY as you described.

    • Cheri says:

      So have I and unless you have experienced this first hand you don’t have a clue dealing with someone like Kim and yea sometimes you reach your breaking point and that is what happened to Kyle. Did you ever think she might not have wanted her to leave because she knew what Kim might do while being drunk that the rest of you don’t know

  81. suzyqtip says:

    Kyle’s blog is up on Bravo.

    • Katie says:

      Her blog does nothing for me, I was hoping she would have said that Taylor never should have confronted Kim at the party and I’m so happy Kim quoted what Taylor said at the airport perfectly.

    • quincyil says:

      Thank you for the information. I read it. In my opinion, the blog does not help Kyle. Thanking the producers as if it was a normal television show, is stupid. Kim should never have been on this series. The women should have agreed not to attack her from the get go as I am sure that Kyle shares everything with them. I don’t believe for a second that her issues with her sister are family secrets.

      You would think that Kyle’s mother in law would be able to help her and Kim. They surely could share their problems with her.

    • error404 says:

      Epic failure as damage control.

      “Taylor and I grew closer during taping. She opened up quite a bit to me. She is kind and vulnerable, and I wish her nothing but happiness. She deserves it”

      So, after having just watched Taylor stir up trouble with Kim for for no apparent reason, you decide that Taylor is your bff and that exposing your sister’s problem on national tv was ok.

      I used to like Kyle, but after this, I can’t think of anything to defend her deplorable behavior. Sorry Kyle, you deserve Taylor.

  82. WindyCityWondering says:

    Lisa confronted Taylor. Taylor confronted Kim. Kim wigged out, Kyle freaked out. Adrienne tried to get both of them off the roof. Camille sat quietly and mourned life as she knew it. A housewife chain reaction! Not a single happy ending.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Well, Snowball’s probably happy.

    • vilzvet says:

      For once Camille was NOT involved in any of the drama. She was on the opposite end of the country. Her ending was all about putting on an act. Sad stuff on both coasts.

      • Zoey says:

        But I didn’t see one tear fall out of those beaty eyes of Camille’s as she pretended to pour her heart out to her fake friend. Maybe she’s secretly glad she’s now single and rich!

  83. HD says:

    This was a minor thing I picked up on…these housewife women and their “friends” . Did ya’ll catch Taylor’s friend say “I love your backyard. You can do some bbq’s out here.” If this is your “friend”, close enough that you give her your dog, why is this the first time she has seen your backyard? I think so many of these friendships are just superficial!

    • vilzvet says:

      Yep! And tonight DeeDee was listed as “friend” because she wasn’t doing Camille’s hair, LOL. But we know she is really her “employee” and on the payroll.

    • error404 says:


      But pay attention. These “friends” often show up on other reality tv shows the next season.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Plus it’s a pool, not a yard LOL

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        On that note- I can’t believe that with a 4 year old child living in that house- there was no fence around that pool.

        • vilzvet says:

          Yes the aerial shot of Taylor’s house shows it sitting on a hill with steep drops on all sides and the pool is the entire backyard. Definitely not a kid-friendly home.

    • quincyil says:

      How many managers were at that party? Kyle had some. Some left with Kim when she was going down stairs to leave. Adriene had a man there. Did Taylor have any real friends to her birthday party?

      • HD says:

        Right! I have always thought it was soooooooooooooo strange these women never have any of their friends with them. Do you think that is like a clause in the contract or something? Surely these women have friends but you never see any of them and if you do they are stylist or hairdressers or makeup artists. Your so called friend has “never” seen your backyard? Really? You want us to believe that. You bring managers and agents to a party? Really?! Unbelievable!

  84. jeang says:

    I know from personal experience of dealing with an alcoholic, you try so hard to help them to save them and they dont have control of themselves, so neither do you. you are helpless and frustrated trying to figure next how to help and to no avail.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Amen to that! And for that reason I just can’t hate Kyle.

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        Ditto. And the anger of not being able to wrap your head around why liquor in a bottle is SO much more important than any loved one in their family. For me, Kyle’s behavior makes so much more sense. I’ve lived it and it makes total sense.

  85. vilzvet says:

    Yikes, Cedric is 37, just caught that on the rerun. How the hell long has he been with Lisa?!

  86. jeang says:

    Adrienne shoes!!! I would buy them and just sit home in my t shirts and shorts and wear them around the house cause they would kill my feet. But they would make me feel good just to have them!!!

  87. Katie says:

    New videos up on Bravo too

  88. boston02127 says:

    Just read Kyle’s “poor me” blog. Paa-leeze.

  89. WindyCityWondering says:

    I was waiting for either Paul and Ken to yell “cat fight”!

  90. Katie says:

    Watch this clip and tell me if Kyle and specifically Taylor or not the meanest girls ever?


    Towards the end – Taylor is whispers something to Kyle

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      She whispers “Should we talk about how she was at the table? She’s about to push me there” I think.

      • Katie says:

        Yes Kim’s state of mind at the table in NYC, implying she was drunk.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          Like someone posted upthread..they ALL drink ALL the time! Why is Kim (who’s never appeared drunk in any episode) all of a sudden the one with the drinking problem?

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            Their “Kim’s a drunk” mantra is already getting old and is as tiring as Camille’s ‘they are all just jealous routine’.

            Kim could have wet her pants and thrown up at the table- it doesn’t change the simple facts that Taylor purposely got Camille riled up- and tried to cause more conflict be it with Camille and Kyle or Camille and Kim.

            It doesn’t change the fact that as a ‘domestic violence advocate’ the threat of physical force was the first place she went-even if it was just all bark and no bite.

        • HD says:

          Wow…you know, what ever happened to that little family rule that I can talk about my family but YOU can’t. Whispering about Kim’s state of mind to her own sister? Kyle can have her issues with Kim concerning her drinking but Taylor needs to STFU. You don’t know the history, you have not been there keep your smart comments to yourself!

          This show has been fairly boring to me but tonight it seemed like it all came together and now I understand their personalities a bit better.

    • error404 says:

      Taylor makes a dig about Kim’s “state of mind” but Kim is spot on as usual, why would someone who’s “sensitive” to domestic violence so readily threaten someone with “going Oklahoma on their ass”?

      Does anyone know anything about Taylor’s past? Because at this point I’m suspecting that the domestic violence goes something like Taylor stirs and stirs the pot until one of her step-dads and her mom kick off. We’ve seen how she can wind up Kyle with Camille and then Kim. Can you imagine Taylor as a teen? The horror!

    • Sparkles says:

      Kim was spot-on. Of course Taylor (who reminds me of Madame the marionette) gets all smug and tries to twist things so that Kim looks bad for bringing up the charity — as if Kim was criticizing the charity!

  91. jeang says:

    Also remember when Taylor was fanning the air between her and Russell. I think she was insinuating alcohol cause I kind of dont see Russell as farting. Stirrer indeed!!!

  92. Sha2000 says:

    Wow that was some show tonight, it made scary island seem tame! Kim I never liked & liked less tonight; what was with that matchy matchy jewelry? Very dated Dynasty style, maybe it was a costume from that show? Kyle, very nasty & bitchy, we’ve seen it before but it was when she was arguing with Camille so no one faulted her I guess. And yes, ugly dress & way too short especially for her age! Sisters…I’ve argued with my sister so I get it to an extent, but it was really horrible and should have not happened in public & on camera. So reminded me of a best & childhood friends complicated relationship with her sister BUT when they were in their 20’s… a bit inmature it
    seemed tonight. Hope Kim gets the help she needs, and Kyle works on her anger with Kim. Btw, good of Adrainne & Martin for trying to help, but there’s no helping sisters only they can work it out.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Yea! Posted from the iPad & it worked! Watching the show while under the covers, the best way to enjoy Lynns blog!

      • California35 says:

        Yey! On the iPad. I do the same.

        I got scared earlier when I tried to run it on an dit didn’t…false alarm…

    • quincyil says:

      “Dynasty” was based on the family of Gregg Davis, Kim’s second husband. They own Davis Oil and a movie studio. So if Gregg bought that jewelry, it would look like “Dynasty.”

  93. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Most amazing tidbit of the night… Kim, the alcoholic per Kyle, remembered that Taylor said Camille felt insignificant! What a memory the nut has huh? LOL

    Poor Kim, she’s ganged up on, insulted and then left alone. She turns around and the guests are looking at her like she started it! Great work Taylor! Way to solidify your friendship with Kyle, by attacking her sister. You’re IN!

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Spot ON! I’m thinking there really WAS bullying on the BH franchise and the target was Kim. Buncha hyenas.

  94. WindyCityWondering says:

    @WSL – we need sunglasses with all those glossy fake lips flashing us at the party!

  95. Cusi77 says:

    Taylor is 39….. why in heavens she needed all that cosmetic surgery? I thought she was more like 49! Even at 49 it is early for doing all that!

    • error404 says:

      I believe Taylor said on WWHL she had the lip implants at an early age

      • Katie says:

        I think what Lisa said about Taylor is spot on – she’s more interested in the Beverly Hills life – not fixing her marriage.

        • Sparkles says:

          ITA with Lisa’s comment and also with the observation that Taylor’s plastic surgery makes her look way older than she is.

    • California35 says:

      I agree she is only 39 and she has done so much o her image….so skinny, lips, face, I thought she was older.

  96. error404 says:

    so… was Kim drunk at the party? Or did being attacked by her sister and her girl gang of thugs send her over the edge and back to the bottle?

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      I’m thinking the latter.

      • latter.

        I bet Andy’s question of the week is “who started it?,,Taylor
        or Kim??”

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          The whole thing is just STUPID. They both agreed that Camille is insecure about whatever..I don’t even recall what Camille was insecure about in their minds. But they BOTH talked about it. Kyle never said it except to Camille’s face trying to be a comforting friend. Egads, drama over nothing.

    • Katie says:

      Kyle claimed she was drunk, but as someone pointed out she had a pretty good memory and I thought handled herself well, but who knows. But if the family checked her into rehab some signs or something was going on.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        And she checked herself out. Maybe she doesn’t have a problem and they just want to be rid of her. LOL Ok, now I’m thinking mystery novel. 😀

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kim came in artifically happy and was way too friendly to everyone after snubbing her sister. IMO she drank before she got there. Kyle has probably seen this many times before and knew what that signaled. I don’t think Kyle wants her sister to look bad on tv and that causes her too come off harshly.

  97. boston02127 says:

    Does anyone know how long ago Kim & Kyle’s mom passed away?

  98. Was the reunion filmed before or after the girls saw this episode?

  99. Zipit Zarin says:

    Didn’t someone mention upthread that Foghorn was hanging out with Kyle? My ears perked. I thought Kyle was Bethenny’s friend. WTF? Now my mind is wandering to Bethenny and her mother the drunk and her dealing with that her whole life…now Kyle dealing with Kim with that issue. Something in common. But why is Foghorn hanging out with Kyle?

  100. Sha2000 says:

    Tonights show putTeresa manufactured table flipping rage seem tame.

  101. Sha2000 says:

    Made not put, lol

  102. Kansas Girl says:

    Watching the replay. Martin is keeping an eye on Kim during the fight. He does care about her — perhaps not romantic interest, but as a friend. And then he’s in the limo. He may be a player, but I think he has a heart.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Rewatching too waiting for wwhl. What did Kyle just say to Adrianne before she walked off?

    • yeah i saw that too, Kansas. that says something about both Martin and Kim.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      It looks like he picked up on Kim being the outsider. Obviously Lisa and Kyle treat her as a joke so he also made a face when she greeted him. However, when he saw the squirmish and Kim take off distraught, he behaved in a caring gentlemanly manner. He showed good form.

  103. boston02127 says:

    Not for one single second do I believe Kesley told Camille to come to NY, go to the red carpet event with him, try and have a romantic weekend……. Nope, never happened.

    • NormaJean says:

      Of course it did. He would not want his marriage problems to be the focus and overshadow a Tony win.

    • Cusi77 says:

      I agree with you.

    • Dawn says:

      I believe Camille. Never thought I would utter those words. Kelsey played her for PR purposes. He wanted her there for the Tony Awards, didn’t want controversy. Played her without sympathy.

  104. Kyle says to adrienne “it’s Talyors bday party and she just attacks her””
    so stupid and so wrong

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      I KNOW! Taylor attacked HER and as someone so aptly put it…using Lisa’s suggestion that she put it to bed as the excuse! I swear they forget there are cameras and fans watching AND DVRing it all. Sheesh

  105. Pantry viewer says:

    I.hate.kyle. And taylor, too.

  106. mariareads says:

    Quick thoughts after watching:
    Taylor is a major, unhappy bitch. She ambushed Kim and why bring this up at your freaking Birthday party? Mean.
    Kyle is an angry person with major problems. If Kim is an alcoholic, Kyle is a dry drunk. I am the relative of an alcoholic and I know what it’s like but that hatred is awful. I guess I have a more forgiving heart, especially for an illness like alcoholism.
    Adrienne is kind. As for her relationship w/ her husband, I’m still not convinced that it’s a bad one. Maybe they are BOTH boring.
    Lisa is a bit of a know it all but I think she has Taylor’s number.
    Camille? Forgive me if I don’t shed any tears. No matter what Kelsey did it’s inappropriate to do what SHE’S doing. Did anyone hear her say “I hope if it’s a woman”? I might be losing it. She’s running around either airing dirty laundry to hurt him or to satisfy herself. Her kids are going to hear this one day. She’s an idiot.

    That’s better. Now I can fall asleep knowing I got me some snark in.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      You’re not hearing things — or if you are, I had the same delusion.

      Agree with you on all counts.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Good insight, just disagree about forgiving alcoholics; it depends on what’s happened in the relationship because of the drinking. I’ve lived with someone that had that problem & it’s hard to forgive sometimes. As for Camille, yes why say that when there are children? She’s super angry I guess but no excuse.

  107. Butters'Mom says:

    It was definately an OMG episode. Somehow though my main reaction is one of sadness for them all.

  108. Sha2000 says:

    Kyle in the car flipping her hair & the body language, she was there for a fight not to talk.

  109. HD says:

    Did Kim tell Kyle in the car, “oh yeah, you drink every damn day!”? Seemed like Kyle was trying to yell over her.

  110. error404 says:

    Kyle: “You’re an alcoholic!”

    Kim: “Oh really? Guess who drinks?”

    Whoa! So…. is Kim not he only alcoholic int he Richards family? Hmm….

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      Yeah, Kyle’s favorite niece, Paris who drinks, does drugs, makes sex tapes and goes to jail.

  111. boston02127 says:

    I just watched the limo scene again. After Kyle called Kim an alcoholic Kim said, Oh my God, O my God and you that drinks five…….and Kyle started yelling and I couldn’t hear Kim finish the sentance.

    • HD says:

      Right!! I thought was hearing that too! Something about Kyle drinking or someone else drinking. Of course you know I watch this again and again but I could have sworn she was saying someone else drinks.

  112. overaggression says:

    First comment from me. That episode was upsetting- sitting here wondering why Kyle immediately had Taylor’s back during the argument and proceeded to shame Kim. I just don’t come from the kind of family that supports publicly airing family issues.

    I was wondering if anyone else noticed that the sisters share an agent and that Bravo says that Kim came to cast through Kyle. Did Kyle believe that she could use her relationship with Kim to look good on the show? Perhaps, Kim is recalling that familiar feeling of being used by her family? Does Kim resent being put back to work only to support her sister’s image like she used to support her monetarily?

    • error404 says:


      I think it’s a 50/50 chance. Kim might want to go back to work and Kyle may have been : ” Well, my friends and I are are doing this show…maybe you should be on it”

      • error404 says:

        It could in fact help explain Kyle’s anger. “I get you this job and you f-ing show up drunk!”

      • overaggression says:

        I agree that Kim wants to get back to work, too. She might have believed this would be a good thing- was encouraged with that carrot. She started to feel the discomfort and seemed to hold a lot back as filming progressed when she saw how her sister was behaving. I think she started to get the picture and began feeling the resentment- maybe that is what held her back from defending Kyle to Camille in NYC. They had agreed to be real, but Kyle was playing a part. Kim felt uncomfortable playing along.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Maybe Kyle thought it would be good for Kim to do the show (Kim said she likes to be alone – she is isolating herself) and Kim did a very poor job of hiding her problems from the others.

  113. boston02127 says:

    GTG read. Lynn if I fail my classes I’m going to blame you & this blog. Then I’ll become like Cedric and have to come live with you. I hope you have a cute dog & a big pool.

  114. housewifeaddict says:

    Wow. Just Wow. Those Richards sisters have real problems. Both of them. Kyle needs anger management. I wonder if she was drunk too – she came into that limo swinging. Every time she gets stressed she attacks Kim. She really needs help. Funny how she used that line on Kim tonight – just like she did on Camille. But Lisa was the instigator this time – she just couldn’t let Taylor get away with it – but it sure backfired onto Kim. Glad this is the end of these ladies for a while.

    • error404 says:

      How is this Lisa’s fault? She told Taylor to put this to rest to end the drama, and Taylor, who’s apparently not so bright, decided that confronting Kim at a party was what she meant. Soooo not Lisa’s fault!

      • klmh says:

        She confronted Taylor at the beginning of the show.

        • error404 says:

          Lisa confronted Taylor one on one at a quiet lunch. Was very polite and calm and rational.

          Taylor confronted Kim at a party in front of an audience and was defensive and accusatory and sarcastic.

      • Sparkles says:

        I think it is more nefarious than Taylor not being bright. Taylor knew what she was doing. I also think she would never treat one of the stronger women the way that she treats Kim. Taylor reminds me of the guy who has a miserable day at work so he comes home and kicks the dog.

        It also seems that Taylor wants to be closer to Kyle (the popular girl) which makes her encourage a wedge between Kyle/Kim and Kyle/Lisa.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Taylor tried to open a dialog with Kim expecting to be met with maturity and it didn’t happen. It was awkward and I agree that the rest of them should not have gathered around. I think what they all really wanted to know was why Kim didn’t clear up the misunderstanding when she had the opportunity to do so and stop the drama that continued the rest of the season.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I really didn’t see Taylor’s approach as one that would be met with a favorable reception, especially since she was so full of crap in her version of events.

        I would also say out of the three of them who argued, Kim seemed the most discreet.

        I don’t know what it is with Kyle and her hand waving, it’s like she is throwing Beverly Hills gang signs. And since Taylor’s face is clearly incapable of showing expression, she has to rely on her words and the volume of her voice.

        I don’t see what would have changed if Kim said at the table “Kyle never said those exact words”. I don’t think Kyle would have felt anymore vindicated- I think she is just using it as a source of contention to rake her sister over the coals because before then, the real reason behind her anger and animosity (Kim allegedly being a drunk) was being ‘hidden’.

  115. error404 says:

    so blow fish was given the chance to ‘splain herself, and decided the first thing to do was insult Kim’s height. WTF? Just how evil are you Taylor?

  116. WindyCityWondering says:

    What an jackhole question on WWHL – there are no sides in a family issue about a disease!

  117. cc in Miami says:

    Oh Taylor will not own anything on WWHL!

  118. NMhousewife says:

    Taylor is such a liar! No way was she trying to just have a nice conversation with Kim. I am sorry, but if Kim was drunk, she was in no way sloppy drunk and was minding her own business. Why wasn’t the poll question about whether Taylor stirred up sh*t?!….I’m more frustrated than I wish I were.

    • Sparkles says:

      I agree – I wish that was the poll question too. Taylor needs to be called out on her horrible behavior.

    • California35 says:

      Yep! Kim was out of the way. Taylor came to her…Kim was having a hard time defending her side, but she always has that problem…Taylor is just more aggressive and quick when she talks, but it doesn’t mean she is right or that she wins.

  119. klmh says:

    Lisa confronts Taylor, on camera, about what happened in NYC. T. tells her side of the story, and because its not what L. expects, L. decides to give a damn about what happened, but wants the argument to stop.
    Fast forward to T. party. T. comes up to K. and tells her she doesn’t know how she got involved with the argument and blames K. She does this because L. tells her to get it straightened out and the cameras are rolling. T does not know Kim is drunk, and she could have picked a better time to bring this up. But when T and K are talking, Kyle walks up in an offensive posture and increases the tension. Then all join and it gets heated.
    I can see the timing was wrong, but that’s it. To me, Taylor was being honest when Camille asked her how the trip was from LAX to NYC. She simply told her the truth.

    • error404 says:


      Q: “How was the flight over?”

      Option A; “Fine”

      Option B: “Awful, all the other girls couldn’t stop talking bad about you. They said you were ________, _______ and _______……”

      • klmh says:


        Didn’t hear the conversation, as you did, but she was asked a question, and said she had a conversation with Kim, which was unusual because of the trouble they had had before, and it went from there. But then again, this is what she said happened, and I wasn’t in the room. It was unfortunate that the word “insecure” was used when Camille and Kyle were in the other room talking about trying to make amends.

      • Zipit Zarin says:


        • Zipit Zarin says:

          My “exACTLY” was to error

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            Me too- exactly.

            Really-why after the fire was put out would she take a casual question like ‘How was the flight?” to launch into a “You should have heard what Kim was saying about you” or whatever words she used= as there would be nothing to be gained by it except for drama.

            That’s like when the teller at the bank says ‘Hi how are you today’ and the customer launches into this long winded account about how their sciatica is acting up and their TV is on the fritz.

            I also don’t trust Taylor’s version of what was said Camille since ‘drunk ass Kim’ can still recollect verbatim their conversation and Taylor can’t.

            Kim’s an actress, who as part of the craft memorizes dialogue- she can run circles around Taylor in that aspect. But Taylor is too much of an arrogant bully to see it.

  120. Sparkles says:

    I am so disgusted with Taylor!!!!!!!

    If I start listing the many reasons why, I’ll be typing all night. She is one nasty piece of work.

  121. NMhousewife says:

    Andy looks like he is having a miserable time with these 2 ladies, definitely not 2 of his funner guests.

    • NMhousewife says:

      Much better guests with Tiffany and Debbie, vibe really changed, and they tell it like it is. Please don’t let Adrienne and Taylor back!!

  122. @error!!she got jackhole of the week!!!!

  123. error404 says:

    “Much to my chagrin, Russell is throwing me a birthday party”

    The poor guy really can not catch a break.

    • Sparkles says:

      Yeah, I’m sure Taylor was real chagrined for her husband to throw her a party. (And then the rest of the season she complains because he doesn’t spend enough time with her at parties.)

      His toast was horrible, but who cares because it was for her.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        Agree. He “stepped up” and gave her one even tho the last thing he’s comfortable with is all eyes one him.

      • Mookies1mom says:

        How dare he do such a thing! The guy has the nerve to through her a birthday party. Even if his assistance did the leg work who the hell does Taylor think paid for it. He obviously went out of his way (and comfort zone) to do something nice for her and yet she still complains.

        Actuall, Zipit Zarin you said it much better and more concisely than I did.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Taylor seemed pensive and subdued at her birthday party. I was surprised she copped to her real age too. Maybe she left her coke hat at home or maybe she wasn’t looking forward to attempting to clear the air with Kim.

  124. Katie says:

    Hey just thought of this – Why is Kyle pushing Kim to be in a relationship? Lesson the burden? But I thought that is the worst thing for a person recovering or trying to???

    • California35 says:

      I recently heard a person say to another “he is your problem now” “not my problem anymore” about her brother to his girlfriend. Maybe Kyle thinks the same… If Kim has a boyfriend, she will be his problem no longer hers.

  125. Zipit Zarin says:

    I am really hoping Kim comes out the winner in this whole thing. She’s been the underdog the whole season. Ignored, shamed, humiliated, put upon, played with (blind date), blamed, attacked. Fans aren’t stupid and voted her the winner tonight. People love someone who pulls thru against all odds. You GO Kim!

    • Sparkles says:

      My heart ached for Kim tonight as we learned more about her childhood. It was then painful to see her ganged up upon. That’s one of the reasons I’m so disgusted with Taylor as she instigated this family feud. On the other hand, I saw a kind side of Adrienne.

    • California35 says:

      I hope so too poor Kim

  126. WindyCityWondering says:

    Tayor explained the suite talk with Camille to my satisfaction on WWHL.
    They all care about themselves first. Taylor cared about Kim talking to her but not the conversation. Camille cared about “them” talking about her but not about the fact that Taylor was surprised that Kim had a conversation with her. Insecurity and not having each others’ back in BH must be like blood in the water to a shark. It seems petty to me.

    • Zipit Zarin says:

      Ah, I see what you mean. And yes, that must be the world they live in. Where your “real” friends are the ones you’ve hired. And where you don’t know your marriage is in trouble even tho your spouse goes across country to work for a year.

      • DarkSonnet says:

        I don’t believe a word that comes out of Camille’s mouth. And Taylor is running a close second at this point in time.

        Is it a prerequisite that you have to be a card carrying member of the Super B*tch Club to be a Housewife? They seem to run at about a 96 percentile on these shows.

        Taylor changed her name from Shanna to Ford because of customer’s comments about her name on her business card? Why am I having trouble believing that one? She appears to be under the misapprehension that we are all imbeciles.

        • DarkSonnet says:

          Sorry – “changed her name from Shanna to Taylor”

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            I thought Taylor was her last name and she changed it to her first name. So wouldn’t that make her Taylor Taylor? Where did the Ford come from?

        • clearly she thinks we’re all morons. she didn’t say one believable thing all night.
          if she thinks Russell is gonna fill her love tank tonite after
          the way she acted..
          she also knew no-one was buying
          her BS. bet she’s not in the mood anymore either.
          she lives in a constant state of denial.

          she also had a fight w/ russell b4 party. she had a puss
          on, he checked his BB, not a word was said between

  127. WindyCityWondering says:

    Here’s my question. Kim and Kyle had a fight before the birthday party – does anyone know what it was about or was it an off show incident?

    • I think Kyle was annoyed that Kim was running late.

      • Zipit Zarin says:

        Oh yeah. Kyles always bitches about Kim being late. What does it matter what time you get to a party? Maybe if they are holding dinner up for you but other than that…what’s it matter? I thought being fashionably late was de rigueur.

        • Zipit Zarin says:

          Unless you are Kelly and it’s your party and people showed up doing you a favor and have other places they’d rather be 😀

    • California35 says:

      Since Kyle keeps saying that she worries about Kim all the time, maybe she was worry because she naturally does now. Like wil, Kim show up? Will Kim show up drunk? Will Kim make a scene? Will Kim not show up at all and where could she be? Will I have to look for her?

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        That’s my take on it. I don’t think she was worried about her being late, but being drunk.

        • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

          yes, that is probably why Kyle gets upset with Kim being late and holding everything up because Kim has probably been drinking beforehand.

    • error404 says:

      could be anything with these two, but I suspect it was probably something to do with Kathy not showing for Farah’s graduation. Kim was the messenger, Kyle loves to shoot people, and Kyle was “crying for days” because Kathy didn’t show. God only knows what KIm pulled out of thin air to try and stop Kyle from blubbering, and Kyle probably took it the wrong way.

      Kyle holds grudges, even after fake apologies. Camille is just as bad, but for someone who wanted to burry the hatchet, Kyle would bring the NYC fight back up at every meeting. Yeah, we all know she’s really angry at Kim for the drinking, but seriously, she’s so “And then once on a Tuesday afternoon at 3:00 in February of 1972, you said ________”

  128. Adgirl says:

    The Bitchard Sisters

    Kim is a closet drinker (or rather a bathroom drinker – blind date party) ?

    The “house” is probably the Palm Springs house that they now share. Kim probably “paid” for it via management fees to Big Kathy when Kim was a child star. Kim doesn’t see why they ‘share it.

    Kyle and Kim are on the show so Kim might get a j-o-b.

    If I see Kyle paw or swing her hair again I’m putting it into a banana clip. Staawp!

    • Zipit Zarin says:


    • California35 says:

      It’s a pain to have to deal with long hair, I have that 😛 but I don’t swing it like she does .. Hi Kyle we know you have long hair, no need to keep showing us 😛

    • quincyil says:

      I think there is a big market for psychics and I’m trying very hard to get my credentials by pretending to our your boad soothsayer. I’m getting old and when I retire, I hope to be a Bravo medium/fortuneteller. I have some crystals that I can use for props.

      • quincyil says:

        “board soothsayer” I predict my hands are going to get even more stiff in the morning as the days pass. I can see that future very clearly.

      • error404 says:

        ok, I’ll be your first client. Please tell us, do you sense there might be conflict at the reunion show?

        • Adgirl says:

          OMG great question! That would be off the hook if there was a conflict at the reunion. Everyone being on their holiday manners and all.

        • quincyil says:

          Yes…. there are going to be huge fights at the reunion show. Camille will claim that she was set up before the season began. Kim will be asked if she has an alcohol problem and Kyle will hold her hand on a couch. Taylor will deny every accusation and will go Oklamhoma on Andy who will be forced to sing show tunes while riding in a surrey with fringe on top. (This takes place off stage, but it happens.) Kyle will act like Jill Zarin because she created this group of women and she is going to be in charge forever. Cedric fought with Lisa and Ken is really mad at Cedric who by the way… now has a sister, mother and a father who is a rapist, but Cedric wants to meet him.

          This is just a little of the future that I have to share with you. I have more, but I’m at work and my break is over.

  129. lillybee says:

    I really started disliking Kyle after Camille’s party. Kim was going home alone in the limo and called Kyle. Kyle looked at her phone and turned it off. Kim looked so unhappy after that.

  130. Zipit Zarin says:

    At the dinner Kim had with her daughter, I thought her daughter looked just like Kim in her movies. Only with dark hair.

  131. lillybee says:

    Kyle has her own psychic. Who would have thunk it? Do they all have psychics?

    • Adgirl says:

      Let’s ask Allison. She knows everything.

    • 212 says:

      And why was the psychic at Taylor’s party? Saw her in the shot as they were panning to Kim and Kyles’s manager.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      These women…uggg…I am sure they also have psychics for their pets.

      And really- you go to see your psychic with a camera crew in tow- after she has signed a release to be on “The Real House Wife’s of Beverly Hills” and ‘insight-fully’ tells you she sees conflict between you and another woman. No shit.

      These women need to get a magic 8 ball application on their I-phone for this type of guidance- it’s cheaper and just as accurate. Of course Taylor might hear the words “8 ball” and start to roll a hundred dollar bill (allegedly)

  132. Adgirl says:

    How the BH cast was formed (excerpt) from the Producers Blog …

    And about the cast, we have a casting department that does everything imaginable to get the word out that we are looking and tries to meet every interesting person possible. But I will add, much of the cast came out of Kyle, who was the first person to sign on. Kyle led us to her sister Kim, and her good friend Lisa, who in turn led us to her neighbor Adrienne, who was already friends with Taylor. Finally, when Bravo really hoped we could add a celebrity’s wife, it was Kyle who suggested Camille, whom she knew because of Mauricio’s job as Kelsey and Camille’s realtor.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Oh great- now Kylie is going to think she is the centerpiece of the show and everyone should be indebted to her- just like JZ.

  133. Adgirl says:

    Taylor wants Russell to be more romantic. For her birthday he throws her an expensive roof top party and the next day they leave for a Mexican vacation.

    Why am I confused.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Need some opinions, please! I found a site that claims this is Taylor when she was still “Shana” and a picture of her in her high school year book. She is listed as Shana Hughes, not Shana Taylor.

      However, I ran some other searches and found a dual listing for Shana L. Hughes AKA Shana L. Taylor. Was she married before?

      Does this look like her? (less the emaciated, blown lips current look?)

      (Click on the page to make it larger)

  134. WSL says:

    U ladies posted like rabbits reproducing. Too fast for me to comment on posts.(U said some very thought provoking things). Then it’s like u all fell down the rabbit hole to follow Alice to Wonderland.
    I think I am going to eat mushrooms & hang w/the glow worms !

  135. California35 says:

    This episode was exhausting!! Poor Kim I felt so bad for her. Tylor confronted her to clearvthings up, that was not Lisa’s idea when she asked Tylor to end things. Kyle – I am sure is poor Kyle for worrying and taking care of her while Kim while intoxicated or while having $ problems, and might just had enough of Kim, I get that, but I feel more sorry for Kim right now. I am sorry to all thos who have dealt with that problem…both the addict and thevpeople dealingvwith them. I cant help but feel bad for both sides….but again I felt so so bad for Kim and I hope that she does well.

    Was Kim drunk in this episode? Kyle keeps missing the other points (that Tyler attacked Kim, or that Kim is uncomfortable, etc) because she has only one thing in her mind—Kim didn’t have her back, their alcohol history..Kim looked drunk.. bla bla bla…All in the mean time, she keeps being mean to Kim on camera. They are sisters and they are probably goingvtonwork things out, and fight again.

    Ok I better get some sleep….I have a lot to read the board has been busy… I’m looking forward to Lynn’s take on this. Also everyone else’s!

  136. lillybee says:

    Kyle had no business not letting Kim leave when she wanted to.

    • California35 says:

      I thought the same. Kim leaving avoiding the fight that Kyle went out to get into…Ay

      • Sha2000 says:

        I wonder if that had to do with Bravo suggesting it. “Don’t let her leave” say’s who? Who paid for the car? Apparently the driver took directions from someone other than the passenger. Maybe that’s why we saw the other two unexpected characters in the car too? Perhaps Bravo stirring the pot a bit?

  137. California35 says:

    Oh yeah Camille – oh come on cry me river. Big house, big settlement, freedom to kiss anyone on their mouth…I don’t feel sorry for you. Fake sadness, DD seemed more authentic about how sad she was…Also- She has been on two shows that I remember bad mouthing Kelsey…stop it!

  138. Help Get Money says:

    Looking through everyone comment there are some good long list going on here. amazing!

  139. 212 says:

    I would like to know why Lisa was so compelled to regurgitate all of this and confront Taylor? The matter was dead and buried. No?

    Not totally buying into the jealousy thing. I am getting a strong whiff of some producer manipulation. Not saying it was scripted, but they definitely knew where it wanted to go.

    No big secret about Kim’s alcohol problems…read about it months ago.

    And…one more thing…not so sure Camille was hearing voices in her head.

    • California35 says:

      I know!!! Lisa – she meant well and wanted to clear things up, she wanted Tylor ttacit responsibility bc she got her #.. But it only started everything up again.

    • Sha2000 says:

      “I am getting a strong whiff of some producer manipulation. Not saying it was scripted, but they definitely knew where it wanted to go.”

      Agreed & what I’ve been saying too up thread. Where’s Olivia? She’d defiantly say it was Bravo, she said it all along about the other HW’s. But, hey it’s their product, they have to manufacture it is some way, right?

  140. 212 says:

    “……definitely knew where it wanted to go.”

    Should be…definitely knew where they wanted it to go.

  141. WSL says:

    Good monin!
    5 ” of snow.
    I think I will stay in Wonder Land. The Queen asked me for tea !

    • boston02127 says:

      Good morning. Snow here too. 150 minute school delay. Every other school is closed. Lucky me 😦

      • Kansas Girl says:

        So THAT’s where our Wednesday storm went! It dropped 8″ here and we’re still shoveling it. It’s pretty tho.

        • Sha2000 says:

          Don’t miss it at all! Raining here but now but yesterday was beautiful sunny near 70. Snow is great for a day or so, but unfortunately in most places winter is much too long & summer to short! Keep warm guys!

  142. boston02127 says:

    Kim said that she supported her family when she was young. She bought houses & cars. When she said to Kim “you stole my house” Now I’m wonding…..

    How long Kyle & Maurico have been married.

    Were Kim & Kyle ever divorced single mom’s at the same time and did they ever live together in the family home that Kyle bought?

    Did Maurico swoop in and marry Kyle and did they buy the house from Kim and then resell it for a better price?

    Does Kim feel cheated out by this (if it’s true)?

    Kyle seems like the type of person who can justify anything she does & not caring or realizing if she is right or wrong. Kim seems like the one with the better memory of events.

    • vilzvet says:

      Good ideas. K & K do have kids in the same age bracket; they very well could have temporarily been single with their kids all together somewhere.

  143. AZ Girl says:

    Taylor is dirt. She so heartless. She starts in on Kim and they all surround Kim (who is drunk) like a pack of dogs. A pack of dogs led by Kyle. WTF? Kim is in no condition to defend herself so she does what she should do and leave. But NO! Kyle needs to keep this ridiculous fight going in a limo with 2 poor hostages, Adrienne and Martin in tow.

    Kyle should have just put an end to the discussion and pull Taylor to the side and said “Hey my sister is in no condition to talk about this let me get her home”

    Cedric’s hairpiece is even more distracting to me as ever. Thank god he and the hairpiece are gone.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO – Bravo wanted resolution to the NYC question of why Kim didn’t speak up at the dinner and stop the drama. They didn’t have any control over Kim showing up drunk and acting loopy.They didn’t have any control over Camille learning about her imploded marriage and skipping the event. What should have been the final look at the fabulous BH didn’t go according to plan. We got human drama instead of the coveted good life that BH is supposed to be.

      • Sha2000 says:

        We got to see BH behaving as badly as NJ & ATL at their worst moments. I agree, money can’t buy class & BH last night proved that.

  144. WindyCityWondering says:

    Good morning to all! @Boston – I will trade my -7 below with -24 wind chill for your snow. My husky don’t even want to stay outside!

  145. 2Stupid says:

    I am not inferring Kyle actions were right, but I would like to share insight I have about it seeming she had her friend’s back instead of Kim’s. When you have dealt with an alcoholic for years that has embarrassed you, manipulated you by guilt, and tormented you by always bringing up the past you crave normalcy. You create a fictional life with your friends where everything is perfect. I think Kyle feels secure with her friends that here life is GOOD. I think she is afraid to have that all come crashing down when her family secrets come out. People in that situation live in fear that people won’t understand and want to be around them and all their family drama. I think we should consider what Kyle says, about dealing with this for a long time. Her anger problems stem (IMO) from not being able to properly deal with her years of resentment. She has probably been listening for 20 yrs how Kim supported the family and Kyle lived like a princess when that probably wasn’t the reality. Everyone reaches a boiling point. Ok I’m through with my pscycho babble for the day!

    • Sha2000 says:

      All good point & true in most cases. Having been in a long relationship with a alcoholic boyfriend many years back; I can say you, take & take & take it until you can’t anymore & go public. I also think she was drunk & her sister knew; as I said up thread, you only have to look in their eyes & you know immediately they’ve been drinking. Seriously it’s a certain glaze in their eyes, no mistaking it especially when you know the person well. That said, it was her time to explode yes, but why on camera? And why so bitchy? The moment for Kyle was due but to do so publicly was wrong; that is unless perhaps for a moment that exposing it & embarrassing Kim would finally sober her up once & for all? Who knows. All that to consider coupled with the fact we are talking about sisters makes it complicated to say the least! I read Kyles blog & she seems heart broken, I think she regrets her public words to Kim deeply, but does Kim? Does she see now where she has a problem & how it hurts her sister? That’s the question we are left with.

      • Sha2000 says:

        The moment for Kyle was due but to do so publicly was wrong; that is unless perhaps for a moment **Kyle thinks** that exposing it & embarrassing Kim would finally sober her up once & for all? Who knows.

        For got to add that sorry!

    • Error404 says:

      Drunks are tough to live with, that’s why the rest ofus go to alanon.
      After all these years, this is how Kyle chides to deal with it?
      Adrienne was right when she suggested counseling, but Kyle didn’t want to hear it. She was too concerned with attending her own pity party: poor poor me, big bad Kim has ruined my entire life.
      This my friends is an example of how NOT to deal with an alcoholic in your life.

      • Sha2000 says:

        Don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree with Kyles actions at all, I’m only saying I think I understand how she got there.

        • error404 says:

          I know, I got that.

          I’m just saying, it’s always good to stop and say ‘Which part of this problem is me?” and I don’t see Kyle doing a lot of that. But who knows, we’re only getting one tiny corner of the whole picture.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The closing tags for Kim and Kyle said it all last night. Kim: her family (forced) checked her into rehab; she checked herself (she doesn’t have a problem) out a week later and she is living her life one day at a time (she likes the cycle she created). Kyle: grateful for friends but really wants her sister back (healthy).
      As much as we snark on the manufactured and petty drama of RH franchise wives – we saw a real slice of real life in BH. The Richard family’s dirty little secret came out and there is no sides in this – they both need help because it is affecting both of their lives/families in a very sad and negative way.

  146. amy says:

    I don’t get this whole blow up. I thought that these women were above this. Why it was necessary to rehash the NY fight is lost on me. Taylor could have had a let’s be friends/ start a clean slate talk with Kim without going there. I think Kyle has many good qualities and I still like her but this fight is shameful. She should be begging Kim for forgiveness. If Kyle was hurt because her (scared little bunny/non-confrontational) sister Kim did’nt stick up for her in NY how can she justify the public character assassination of her sister in BH. Kim is a mother of a young child and being accused of alcoholism is very serious for a single mom. I feel bad for Kim.
    I also don’t care if Taylor riled up Camille in NY, it was Camille’s choice to attack Kyle, period. People are responsible for their own actions.

  147. buffywood says:

    The whole thing is just sad. I wonder how much irreparable damage has been done to the Richards sister’s relationship because of this show. There is so much history and damage in both of them, the biggest mistake they made was being on this show in the first place. Kim and Kyle’s agent was there? Adrienne’s PR Person was there? This wasn’t a Russell planned and paid party. This was a Bravo set-up from the beginning. Not letting Kim leave? As far as I am concerned if the driver (who I am sure was paid by Bravo) wouldn’t let her leave then it was unlawful restraint. There is a reason why they showed Kim discussing earlier how uncomfortable she is when she is all dressed up. They wanted her to feel out of her element and uncomfortable from the beginning. Where was the camera when Kim was getting ready before the party? They show most of the other ladies getting ready and even if they didn’t show it they probably filmed it. If Kim was drinking before hand, someone knew.

    There is a difference showing people’s problems and issues on TV, but to encourage it and exploit it is different. I am calling shame on Bravo for this one as I see their puppet string behind this one.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Well said Buffywood!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Bravo probably had planned a fabulous party to end the season on a high note. No way did they know Camille’s marriage was imploding nor that Kim would show up drunk. Kim came in looking for trouble and Kyle knew it from years of experience. IMO, if Kyle would have tried to quietly get Kim out of there – there would have been a hugh fight. I do fault Lisa for not giving Taylor a head’s up from what Kyle said to her. Taylor walked into a fight waiting to happen because Kim does not process information correctly nor have the ability to answer questions (how much of her life is black outs so she has no ansswer?). I didn’t see the other’s coming over to gang up on Kim – they looked genuinely concerned. Adrienne knew that Kyle couldn’t help Kim and stepped in like a concerned friend would do. Alcoholism is a disease and it does affect more than the person who has it – I didn’t expect to see it on a housewives franchise.

  148. cdnfillie58 says:

    Kim wasn’t just drunk last night, I’ve seen it too many times before in my life…she was on some trip

    • Sha2000 says:

      That’s interesting. Like I said up thread if you’ve lived with it you can tell. Whats the tell tail sign you saw, curious?

  149. Adgirl says:

    That was a very interesting comment Kyle made “my husband sends you a check every month like you are a second wife”.

    So, if Kim needs financial support every month, but is still saying “I bought you a car 20 years ago”, “I need a big house even though my kids are grown up” or “I’m thinking about having another baby” that is seriously messed up.

    As far as the “stealing” her house, Kim may have “borrowed” so much of Kim & Mauricio’s money that she was asked if she would exchange a percent of her ownership in the Palm Springs house.

    I don’t like how Kyle acted, but if Kim is taking money every month she needs to stop talking about when she was the family breadwinner and learn to add and subtract in today’s currency.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I somehow think they aren’t just ‘giving her money’; I think the exchange is tied up in the ‘you stole my house’ comment.

  150. @tweatcyn says:

    It really annoys me when people call Alcoholism or Drug Addiction a “Disease” or “Illness”. They are mental and physical dependencies. The medical community reclassified them as disease for the sole purpose of getting rehab paid for by insurance. It is a lifestyle choice which leads to a dependency.

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