IHJZ The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills – The Finale

I Hate Jill Zarin The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills – The Finale Jan 21, 2011

Did Taylor Armstrong just bypass Camille Grammer for the most hated housewife on the Beverly Hills series? Can you imagine what would have happened if Camille had attended Taylor’s Birthday Party?

Before we get to the birthday party, does anyone really believe that Camille “begged” Kelsey not to leave her? If she did, I don’t think it was because she loved and adored this man. Knowing what we know now and the hurtful comments that she’s made about Kelsey Grammer, if she begged him to stay with her it was just because she didn’t want to lose the status of being married to a celebrity.

Both Camille and Kelsey had to have signed some sort of an agreement when they agreed to appear on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, they agreed to allow the cameras to roll as they lived their lives so why are we hearing all about what happened in New York from Camille and not seeing it for ourselves?

Camille claims that she went to their apartment in New York and was questioned by the doorman who allegedly didn’t believe that she was Kelsey Grammer’s wife. That does not sound like a doorman of a high end building in New York City. They do not argue with the residents and guests of their buildings. I find it very difficult to believe that a doorman would have a conversation the way that Camille described it. They just do not behave that way. They certainly have to protect the residents of the building but they treat everyone with respect and I cannot see a professional doorman calling someone like Camille a liar.

Camille also failed to finish her story, why did she go to the apartment to begin with? She told us that Kelsey insisted she stay in a hotel while in New York, she must have agreed to those terms before leaving Los Angeles. After her alleged argument with the doorman did she finally go into the apartment? Was she turned away even after showing ID? If she went in, what did she find there? Another woman’s belongings? Another woman? Why did she think Kelsey didn’t want her there? She had to have at least suspected that there was someone else already in the picture. I’m finding I don’t believe anything that Camille Grammer says.

There isn’t any doubt that she was blindsided by Kelsey leaving her, she was so cocky in the beginning about being Kelsey Grammer’s wife and how he needs her, she kept him clean and sober. She never dreamed in a million years that he was ever going to ask her for a divorce. Camille claims that she was doing the show to break out on her own and come out from behind her husband‘s shadow. That does tie in with her comments about Kelsey holding her down during their marriage, he didn’t want Camille having any friends of her own or having a career. I don’t think Kelsey was being protective or overbearing, I believe that he didn’t want Camille to embarrass him while they were married. This is a man whose reputation is obviously very important to him, once he decided he wanted out f the marriage, he tried to save his reputation by putting his wife on this humiliating show to make her look bad which in turn made the public sympathetic to him having to live with this beast of a woman. Kelsey Grammer is an evil genius.

Camille made it sound like she had an option to file for divorce or to not file for divorce, I’m not sure how she came to that conclusion but since Kelsey already had a new woman and left Camille without looking back, did she think remaining married was one of her choices? This isn’t Let’s Make A Deal, it was really only a matter of who was going to file for the divorce and as is typical with high profile divorces, the put-upon spouse is allowed to do the filing. Make no mistake Mrs. Camille Grammer, had you not filed, Kelsey would have.

Camille’s final Bravo send off included her custody fight with Kelsey over their children and Kelsey’s engagement to a 29-year old flight attendant. His plan on getting married next month seems a bit optimistic since he’s not quite divorced yet, with no pre-nuptial agreement, Camille is going to do well but she may not be overly motivated to close the deal quickly.

Lisa and Ken finally made it clear to Cedric that they wanted him out of the house. The panic in his eyes was very real and as he tried every guilt trip and underhanded tactic he could think of to get the overly-generous Vanderpumps to allow him to stay longer. The reality was that he had to pack his knives and go. As it turns out. the knives were on his tongue which would have caused a lesser housewife like Kelly Bensimon to break down and cry in her gift bag. Cedric tried the “out of sight, out of mind” trick and the “Italians allow their kids to stay forever” argument but even with the soft hearted Lisa in his corner, she agreed that it was time for him to move out. The couple even told him that he was welcome back on weekends and holidays just as their very own children are, but apparently that wasn’t good enough for Cedric Martinez.

We will learn more of the details during next week’s reunion show but we did learn that Cedric and Lisa had an “explosive argument” as Cedric was moving out and they haven’t spoken since that day. The reunion previews include Lisa’s husband Ken telling viewers about Cedric’s parting words, Cedric did say that he would leave that house kicking and screaming, it sounds like he was true to his word.

After watching tonight’s episode, I do not think that Lisa is the least bit jealous of Taylor’s relationship with Kyle, Lisa is doing what a good friend is supposed to do, she’s watching Kyle’s back. Lisa has had her suspicions about Taylor Armstrong and her concerns over Taylor’s relationship with Kyle are spot on. Lisa knows that Taylor stirred the pot in New York with Camille and Kyle. She also knows now that Taylor stirred the pot with Kim at her own birthday party resulting in a huge blow out fight between the sisters, Kim and Kyle. Lisa seemed to know from day one that Taylor was trouble and she was absolutely right!

When Lisa told Taylor to talk things out with Kim, it was clear to everyone that she wanted Taylor to talk this out and make things right. Lisa was direct and even a bit authoritative telling Taylor she needed to fix this problem with Kim. What Taylor did was aggressive and unnecessary, similar to Dina Manzo’s meeting with Danielle Staub, Taylor knew that the way she approached this conversation with Kim, it wasn’t going to end well. Rather than trying to sit calmly and talk with Kim about the events that occurred, she got in Kim’s face and told her she wasn’t going to be dragged into this argument. Pretty silly since she was already part of the fiasco.

Taylor confirmed on Watch What Happens Live what we all already knew, she did tell Camille that all the ladies were talking about Camille at the airport. Taylor tried to spin it so that she didn’t look quite so bad but in the end she admitted that when Camille asked her how the flight was, Taylor didn’t come back with the usual, “fine” the way most people respond to that question, she used that question to launch into a whole story about the discussion at LAX. Taylor was actually trying to get Kim into the hot seat because she’s had a problem with Kim from the beginning, I don’t think Taylor anticipated that Camille would go off on Kyle.

Yet as Camille was going off on Kyle at dinner in New York, Taylor sat quietly and let Camille implode all over her supposed friend Kyle. Taylor is a manipulator and Lisa is right to be wary of her, particularly when Taylor is now focused on Lisa’s friend Kyle and becoming her friend. Taylor is not the kind of friend you want to have, she’s disloyal, sneaky and seems to like to watch other people’s misery. This is the second time during the season that she’s created problems between sisters Kim and Kyle. This is also the second time she’s refused to take any responsibility for her part in the fights. Apparently it’s true, misery loves company.

Taylor’s relationship with her husband continued to be strained and awkward. Russell planned a beautiful roof top birthday party for his wife, although his wife didn’t seem all that thrilled about it, she noted that Russell’s secretary most likely made all of the arrangements and when inviting Lisa to the party seemed less than enthusiastic to even attend herself. Russell, clearly not a public speaker, had no idea what to say during his speech/toast at the party, with no pre-arranged words prepared he simply said that the couple had a good year and hopes to have another good year next year. He could have been speaking to a board room full of executives and discussing the company finances rather than speaking to friends and family about his wife.

Lisa’s observation that Taylor wants the Beverly Hills lifestyle even if it means she’s unhappy seems to be right on the money.

Taylor told viewers on Watch What Happens Live that she and Russell did go to Mexico as planned and they’re still together working through their marriage and attending therapy. The biggest news out of Taylor’s camp is that cute little Snowball, her daughter Kennedy’s birthday present was given away to friends and living a lovely life. Kennedy’s allergy symptoms disappeared when she was separated from the little pooch.

Adrienne seemed completely out of character on tonight’s episode, after watching her avoid conflict at Camille’s dinner party she seemed to be the type who runs in the opposite direction and stays out of the fray when arguments start. Tonight Adrienne was the one who went out to try to comfort and talk to Kim when she was visibly upset after being confronted by Taylor. Does anyone else suspect Bravo producer involvement here?

Adrienne could have been in danger of being cut from season two of the show since she really had little to contribute. The ending of the show included the usual Housewives blurb about each of the ladies and an update on their lives since filming ended. Adrienne’s was ridiculous simply telling viewers that she wasn’t responsible for her husband’s broken nose. I really like Adrienne and I hope she returns, but her life is too normal, well adjusted and happy. Her only “issue” is that she bickers with her husband, don’t we all know couples like this? Some of you probably ARE couples like this.

Adrienne and Kim’s one time date Martin joined Kim in the limo as she tried to leave the party. It wasn’t clear why the widespread panic when Kim stormed out, Kyle was determined not to let her sister leave the party, even recruiting the manager she shares with Kim to call the driver forbidding him to take Kim home. In hindsight, Kim going home would have been the best thing that could have happened.

Kyle really does live a charmed life, with the exception of her sister and feeling responsible for her, Kyle’s life is picture perfect. Her husband is an amazing man who clearly loves her so much, as this couple was getting ready for Taylor’s birthday party he couldn’t keep his eyes off of her and told her how amazing she looked over and over. Maricio appears to be the perfect husband. Add to that Kyle’s four beautiful daughters, amazing home and anything money can buy, what is left to worry about? Her sister, that’s what she worries about.

As Taylor and Kim began to argue at the party, Kyle came in mid-argument not really knowing how this started or what had been said. She heard her name because Taylor decided to throw Kyle’s name into the mix. If there is one thing I know, you never ever try to come between sisters. Taylor used Kyle to try to infuriate Kim even further and implying that Kyle would take Taylor’s side if given a choice and reminding Kim that Taylor and Kyle have become fast friends.

Unfortunately for Kim, Kyle immediately assumed that since her sister had been drinking and an argument was happening and Taylor had previously convinced Kyle that she was a sympathetic character, this has to all be Kim’s doing. Kim felt attacked by the crowd and in fact, that is sort of what happened. Taylor had already been attacking Kim and Kyle, for several reasons just assumed Kim was the aggressor began to defend Taylor.

Kim isn’t as naïve as she seems to be, her question to Kyle about whether Taylor is really Kyle’s friend was actually a good observation. Maybe it was just luck on Kim’s part to have made this comment but it turned out to be a really good question. If Kyle believes that Taylor is really her good friend, she is a bit naïve herself. Taylor is out for Taylor and no one else. Taylor didn’t care if she created a massive wedge between the sisters so long as she got to keep Kyle on her side and Kim got nailed to the wall. If Taylor was truly Kyle’s friend she would never have treated her sister that way, Taylor’s goal would have been to make peace with her friend Kyle’s sister.

Kyle’s next mistake (her first being trusting Taylor) was going out to that limo when she was visibly shaken and angry with her sister. Kyle still didn’t seem to know that Taylor was the aggressor at the party and that Kim had been happily sipping her wine and talking to a friend when Taylor attacked. What the sisters yelled at each other were things that should never have been said in front of others, in a limo on national television. These things should be discussed in family therapy with a counselor because there is obviously a whole lot of resentment between these sisters.

Kim feels that she lost her childhood and that all of the money that she earned working so hard her entire childhood was used to support the entire family, including Kyle. Kim is jealous that Kyle had friends, went to school and learned how to apply make-up at slumber parties with her girlfriends growing up. Kim worked through all those years when she should have been enjoying the same things that Kyle was enjoying and is now left with no money. Kyle just got to be a kid and enjoy the fruits of Kim’s labor. That is Kim’s side of the story.

Kyle feels that Kim has been a burden to not only her and her husband but that her mother’s final days were spent worrying about Kim as well. Kyle feels that she and her husband have to support Kim financially and emotionally as it was her mother’s dying wish. Kyle, in her anger, announced to the world that Kim is an alcoholic and that her husband has been giving Kim money every month.

This situation has long term therapy written all over it. Both sisters have good points and both sisters, in the end, are really not responsible for the way the other sister feels. All of the money that Kim earned working as a child is obviously gone and Kim is bitter that it was used to support the whole family leaving none for her as an adult. Kyle couldn’t have possibly controlled that as a kid but obviously recognizes that her mother did use Kim’s money to support the family and is now trying to make that right.

Kim really needs to recognize that while Kyle did benefit from all of Kim’s hard work, it really wasn’t Kyle’s choice or her fault that it all played out that way. Kyle needs to recognize that it wasn’t Kim’s fault that she is now financially needy, there should have been money put away for Kim to rely on later in life. That money may have been gone long before now but it should have been there nonetheless and it obviously wasn’t. The one person that both sisters are angry with deep down is most likely their mother but they obviously would feel guilty being angry at Mom since she is dead and gone. They are taking out their anger on each other when deep down they feel guilty because it is their mother who deserves the anger. Wow junior therapist here…anyone else have any problems they’d like to share with me?

Kyle’s announcement that Kim is an alcoholic wasn’t a big surprise, so many child stars get involved in drugs and alcohol. The season-end verbiage for Kim Richards was that her family checked her into a rehab center and she checked herself out a week later. It seems that Kim and Kyle continue to work on their relationship. Kyle’s Bravo send off let viewers know that she hadn’t spoken to her sister for several weeks after that fight at Taylor’s birthday party but that the sister‘s children are working to get their mom‘s back together. Adrienne added on Watch What Happens Live that Kyle and Kim’s relationship continues to be “touch and go”.

There was speculation that Kyle Richards and her husband were struggling financially when word hit that their home was on the market, apparently nothing could be farther from the truth:

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills* Kyle Richards Upgrades to Larger Crib http://etonline.com/p/?qt55kq

I’m looking forward to the reunion shows beginning next Thursday.

Thanks to Quincy for this ratings information that she found, I don’t think there will be any questions about a season two for Beverly Hills.

The series ratings have continued to grow, with attracting 3.7 million viewers for the January 13 episode ranking No. 1 in the 9PM Timeslot Among Adults 18-49 Versus All Cable Competition

Until Next Time…..

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565 Responses to IHJZ The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills – The Finale

  1. Great Blog, as usual.
    i will miss this series

  2. Sha2000 says:

    Good blog, do have to disagree with your thoughts re: the doorman. It could have been a new doorman or one who did not know Camille. Kelsey is a celebrity, letting the wrong person in could cost him his job or a big tip at the end of the year in the very least. I believe Camille on this one.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Forgot to add:

      “evil genius”??????

      No, more like an unfaithful cheating husband, which is wrong no matter how vain & shallow the wife seems, he DID marry her after all! Which came first a chicken or the egg?

      • mamecastle says:

        I thing evil genius is dead-on! If he did encourage her to do the show in order to distract her her from his creeping & cheating it was totally successful. It also had the added bonus of showing the world what a vapid, vain, cruel & evil bitch she is. I think if he did it on purpose, a man with such long-term planning abilities should be working in the state department! Not wasting his time in cross-dressing plays, hitting on sky-waitresses.

        • Di says:

          Lmao! I thought I read some stories when RHBH was in production that Kelsey was against Camille doing the show, but if he encouraged her, I have to like him even more. Smart man.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      In a building like this, the doormen are union, seasoned veterans, newbies are not assigned to high end buildings and aren’t left alone at that desk until they know their residents really well.

      My bigger question though is where is the rest of the story? Did she eventually go into the apartment? What did she find when she went in? Why weren’t we told the rest…

      I believe Kelsey is an evil genius for encouraging his wife to be on this show…. it certainly helped him out a lot. Wrong and a cad…absolutely but what he did bought him some sympathy and he was smart enough to foresee that was what would happen. JMHO 🙂

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        Lynn that might apply in Chicago believe me i have had my fair share of run ins with rude doorman in NYC
        it does happen
        and if he had been seeing a different younger woman with kelsey for months and addressing her as Mrs Grammer its not too hard to think he believed Camille was a fraud

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          i dont think Kelsey is getting any sympathy at all
          as hated as she became from the show people felt sorry for what he did to her
          i havent heard anyone say anything possitive about him at all

          • Di says:

            I totally have sympathy for Kelsey. Camille is a blood-sucking leech in my humble opinion 🙂

            Do I think he’s innocent? No. Do I think Camille is a piece of crap that probably has a whole lot more karma coming her way? Abso-freakin-lutely.

            Cheaters are cowards who don’t have the self-confidence to end one thing before they start another. Did Kelsey cheat? Maybe, maybe not. Do we really know what kind of relationship the Grammers had? Open? What about Nick or other men? I believe Camille knew more than she leads on. Kelsey may have done so cowardly, but at least he found his way out. His karma has probably come in the form of another user, but who knows?

            All I do know is I have sympathy for anyone who has to put up with Camille in real life for more than five minutes. Her and her “friends” are leaking the most damaging stories about Kelsey that they can. Kelsey humiliating Camille may or may not have be intentional. Camille humiliating Kelsey couldn’t be more calculated.

            • DJ Loops Fruit says:

              Kelsey put himself in that situation
              how many wives has he cheated on now
              and lord only knows how many times with Men

          • vilzvet says:

            Put it this way, the doorman obviously believed that Kayte Walsh was Mrs. Grammer. Who’s fault is that is pretty obvious: Kelsey’s! And yes, Camille did not start or finish her story…after she shows her I.D. as she claims what happened next? Why did she even bother going over to the apartment if she knew she was staying at another location? Her and DeeDee must have had a plan to snoop.

        • Sha2000 says:

          Agree on all counts DJ. In my years living in NY we had some amazingly wonderful doormen; seasoned & veterans but we had our share of rude ones too.

        • nathania says:

          I don’t know what to believe about this, I have heard this before, I think it is quite possibly something Camille read somewhere or saw on one of those Lifetimes movies. It might be true but with Camille you just never know. The whole season practically revolved around a comment Camille claimed was made by Kyle, which we all know Kyle never said.

      • Kansas Girl says:

        Camille took us via the cameras to that apartment, and apparently the doorman knew who she was then. Something’s not right in this story.

        • Sha2000 says:

          Different shifts of door men Kansas girl; the one who questioned Camille had never seen her before that day.

          Di, did he cheat???? Wasn’t it reported that the GF is pregnant? Yes, google it there are articles dating back to december

          • Di says:

            Sha2000, did he cheat if they had an open marriage? Separate bedrooms in all their properties–i’m just saying…

            • Di says:

              Carrie Fischer said a Hollywood actor going to Broadway to do a play is oftentimes the equivalent of officially divorcing in Hollywood. Me thinks it rings true here. I think this marriage was over, except for the “image” of it a long, long time ago.

            • Sha2000 says:

              Who knows Di? Could be; why else kiss “friends” right on the mouth in front of everyone? Lol, that might be the answer!

              • Di says:

                LOL. I tricked my hubby into watching RHBH with me (he loves it). Last night he’s like “just in case you’re wondering, I’d have a problem with you kissing your tennis buddy like that.” Not that I have a tennis buddy. Who does that?

                For the record he’d also have a problem with Cedric living with us. 🙂

        • Debbie says:

          I remember reading an article after the NY episode that said Kelsey had bought a 2nd, larger apartment in NY for him and Kate. I was wondering if Camille had gone to that apartment to see (confront) Kelsey and it was that doorman that didn’t know her as Mrs Grammer, having been introduced to Kate as Kelsy’s future (ex)wife. Of course I wouldn’t expect Camille to explain this as she likes to portray her sorry self as the victim. We know she’s underhanded and I dont put this past her.

        • Ireland says:

          Perhaps it was a different doorman.

      • quincyil says:

        How could a doorman not know the famous Camille Grammer? If she didn’t go to the Tony Awards with Kelsey the media and the public would be shocked. rotf.

        • Di says:

          LOL Q! That’s the best part of her story. It makes me laugh when her delusions of grandeur and her lies told in order to gain sympathy collide. Crazy, fame-whore. She thinks the public is so stupid.

          Reminds me of Jill. This behavior was the reason I typed in the phrase “I hate Jill Zarin” and ended up here so many months ago.

      • lovesfall says:

        As far as the NYC apartment, Kelsey had been living there for months and, from what we’ve seen, Camille had only visited once before (for the premiere) and been in CA the rest of the time. So the doorman may not have known her on sight. Add to that the speculation that Kelsey had been seeing Kayte and presumably bringing her to the apartment, or perhaps she came and went as she pleased, with a key of her own, possibly even being referred to as “Mrs. Grammer” and the doorman’s reaction to Camille is not only possible, but perhaps probable. Camille has never been recognizable unless on the arm of Kelsey (again, “coming out of my husband’s shadow”?) until RHBH and the divorce. For the past 13/14 years, she has been his little haus frau, closeted away in one of their many fabulous homes unless he needed the arm candy at a public appearance or publicity jaunt. Why else would Kelsey want Camille in a hotel room for the Tony’s (especially when Camille presents the the ‘fact’ that he called and told her the marriage was over, but he needed/wanted her to come to the Tony awards and perhaps they could have a romantic weekend and work things out?!?!?) Methinks Delusionille is at it again.

      • TrillianAlice says:

        The mistress was going as Kelsey’s wife at the apartment. That is why the doorman did not let her in until she showed proof of who she was. This was at the time when everything was starting to fall into pieces about the affair.

    • Di says:

      Camille is the least believable person I’ve ever watched on tv. She couldn’t tell the truth if her life depended on it. She is a manipulator, and in tonight’s episode she wanted sympathy and to stick-it-to the new lady in Kelsey’s life.

      Notice the little line about Kelsey leaving her bed while she was asleep? B.S. That man practically chewed his arm off to get away from her; highly doubtful he’d be in her bed, but she wanted that message to get back to the other woman. I think the only reason she got to go to the last awards show was she threatened him with all the dirty little secrets that are coming out now in the press (gee who’s the source?) She was staying in a hotel without Kelsey, not the family’s apartment. If he really wanted to “have a romantic weekend” like she said, wouldn’t he need to be around her? And who suggests a romantic weekend to his wife in the same conversation that he told her he was leaving her for another woman?

      It appears her whole life has been, and probably always will be a series of lies.

      • sophie says:

        Why does anyone believe this story about the doorman? I don’t. I believe it’s a complete fabrication that no one can confirm or deny and it was done to gain sympathy. I think the woman lies like a rug.

        • kotagirl29 says:

          Thank you! I don’t believe the doorman story for a second. But she also isn’t that great an actress, so I don’t think she could lie that well. Her buddy DeeDee managed to squeeze out a couple of tears when Camille couldn’t even get one to fall from her cold, dead eyes. Camille is rather pathetic.

      • nathania says:

        yep, and there is a still small voice inside me that wants to scream that men who marry simply for T&A deserve whatever they get.

        Though that is what both of my brothers did and they have been through hell. There is a reason that the sex industry is a multi billion (or trillion?) dollar industry, I guess some men have sense enough to keep their hookers on the side, it’s way cheaper than marrying one apparently.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      Agree about the NYC doorman. He would not allow a stranger/stalker/thief or possible murderer, access to the apartment of any tenant. They are the first line of security. He would question her and even if she proved herself with I.D. he probably called Kelsey’s number and was told to turn her away or act as if no one was home. It must have been humiliating and devastating. It was over!

      • cdnfillie58 says:

        I think Kelsey warned the doorman about Camille…he was likely tipped rather well not to let her through the door..IMO

      • error404 says:

        No NYC doorman would ever ever let someone in an apt without a key. Not your wife, not your mother, not your evil twin brother. It’s fantasy to think that post 9/11, people just waltz into NYC buildings by simply saying “oh, I’m the wife”. Even if you try to leave your key with the doorman and say “My wife is coming in later, but I won’t be here, can you give her this” they won’t take it. It’s agains the rules. We all have to leave 15 minutes earlier to meetings because getting inside office buildings is so hard now, almost like the airport. This story is all pure bs, aka just another typical conversation with Camille.

        • Sha2000 says:

          CDN & Erro agree, well said.

          Lynn, it would be great to know the rest of the story. Here’s to hoping you get a Camille interview & answer to that question; but I doubt she’d be totally honest!

        • Debbie says:

          Im certain that many of the more exclusive NY addresses have computers for the doorman at the desk. You can enter the lobby but need to be announced before going up to visit. Im sure there’s a computer on the desk for the doorman to access information regarding who is living in the building..apartment number, name and photo. I dont believe Camille was listed as resident.

        • NYConsultant says:

          This is a ridiculous blanket statement. Are you under the impression that all NYC buildings operate under one set of rules? I live at 20 Exchange Place, which backs to Wall Street and is a few doors down from the NY Stock Exchange. It is a ‘stone’s throw’ from ground zero. By any measure it is a luxury building with a concierge and at least three doormen working at any hour. The doorman will do whatever I damn well tell him to do, and for that I am grateful (and extraordinarily polite). I have left keys with vague instructions for others to pick up, I have called the desk from another location when someone was standing in front of the doorman asking to be let into my apartment (without a key and no notice given), I have asked the doorman to enter my apartment himself and allow a delivery man to enter without my presence, all sorts of scenarios. Doormen at high end buildings sometimes make exceptions because they don’t want to upset or inconvenience potentially bitchy residents. And frankly, if I pay 4k a month for 800 sq feet (I do), I do not expect to have to cross town to hand someone a key. I have only lived here two years, so it’s not like I’m a lifelong resident either. All buildings operate under different rules, and all rules are bent/broken sometimes, by some people. Any of the scenarios posed regarding the Camille/doorman situation seem reasonably plausible to me. And this is not unique to my current building, I previously lived at 184 Thompson St and they also allowed leaving keys for others or asking the doorman to unlock the door for someone at my request in a pinch.

          • Anne says:

            I live at 1088 Park Avenue NYC, which is considered one of the most exclusive addresses in the City. The doormen know all the residents. It is a co-op building. They do go into the apartment at the owner’s request. They let people up and with a key if the owner has placed their name in the book or calls in.
            The concierge will have a duplicate key at all high-end buildings so they can do anything at the owner’s request. They even pack way your Fresh Direct if you don’t have live-in help and they have a freezer down-stairs, as well as, placing your laundry or anything packages either in the conceirge storage or directly in your apartment at your request or standing request.
            The same was true when I lived at City Spire at 56th and 6th. So, I agree that Camille’s story is very plausible. They will ask who you are if they do not know you, and if they have been introduced to another person as his wife.

  3. Adgirl says:

    That was a very interesting comment Kyle made “my husband sends you a check every month like you are his second wife”.

    If Kim needs financial support every month, but she is rationalizing it by saying
    “I bought you a car 20 years ago” ( you owe me) and on the other hand over spending Kyle & Mauricio’s family money: “I need a big house even though my kids are grown up” or “I’m thinking about having another baby” that is seriously messed up and would make me mad if I were Kyle.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      she didnt just buy Kyle a car once though did she
      wasnt she her entire familys cash cow way back when

      • Miss Anthrope says:

        Exactly what I was thinking. And if that is the case then I totally understand Kims feelings and wanting to reiterate that, “HEY! I supported you at one point too!”

    • quincyil says:

      I am confused. Kim had child support and alimony from Gregg Davis.

      Here’s an article that says she gets 20,000 a month in child support from Gregg Davis.


      The alimony for life from Gregg Davis was $250,000 a year.

      Surely, she gets some residuals from Disney.

      It costs a lot to live that lifestyle. I once estimated that Bobby Zarin needed 1.6 million a year to keep Jill.

      I say sell the house in Palm Springs. That would give Kim a few buck for the down payment on a Jeff Lewis home.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I somehow doubt that Mauricio just blindly mails Kim cheques. The same way I don’t know if I think Kyle ‘stole’ Kim’s house. I think the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
      My gut says-it’s probably some real estate deal that Mauricio brokered which leaves Kim thinking “they stole my house” and Kyle thinking they are financially taking care of Kim.

      • nathania says:

        The truth is we will never know. I pretty much lost respect for Kyle when she threw that fit. She gave credence to Allison Dubois’ assertion that she is ‘such a bitch’ when she behaved like that. And Mauricio wandering around with a blank stare all the time also underscores the assertion that he won’t fulfill her emotionally, the more I watch him the more I get the feeling he probably can’t do that for anyone.

        I really think Kyle crawled into the gutter in this episode. Most of the BH housewives have vices and quite a few of them are probably substance abusers. I had pegged Kim for pills but for Kyle to announce it like that is beyond reason…what she was hoping to gain I have no idea, she just makes herself look like she has an ax to grind from the past, sibling rivalry due to Kim’s success as a child actress.

        I totally believe Kim has nerve problems, I believe her when she said that she ‘doesn’t like confrontation’, and I have seen her really struggle to stay out of the fray. The disturbing thing about Kyle is that she really seems to enjoy tormenting Kim in whatever way possible. I think clearly she resents the financial help Mauricio is giving Kim, and for both of their sakes it needs to come to an end. If someone can’t live off of 20 grand a month then that is just their problem to work on. The price Kim is paying to get ‘help’ from Kyle’s family, which she is probably doing for her kids sake, is way too high. Kim doesn’t seem that high maintenance, she’s probably the least high maintenance housewife on any of these shows except maybe Kandi on Atlanta, so I wonder where the money is going…

    • Jane says:

      I’m more curious about the fact that Kyle and her husband are the ones bankrolling Kim. I would think that Kathy Hilton would have more money than God and it would be less of a financial strain. Heck – Kathy could probably find a way to employ Kim at one of her hotels in some cushy job and write her off as an employee. We never see that side of the relationship!

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        In House of Hilton, the wife of Little Kathy’s step dad (but the only father she knew)- who is Kyle and Kim’s dad- said when he was dying from cancer- and they were bombarded with medical bills that he had to called Kathy and Rick and BEG for a small loan to pay their expenses-he was denied at first being told how they have to buy their daughters expensive party dresses and all that crap. They needed to sell their condo to pay back the 10k loan.

        I think the only reason Farrah got a big cheque from them was because they knew the cameras were rolling.

  4. Miss Anthrope says:

    This episode was crazy. I felt really bad for Kim because she really genuinely does seem to be terrified of conflict. You can see how she becomes totally flustered and anxious whenever a conflict begins to arise. I think that Taylor picked up on that from the start and used it to her advantage. There was NO reason to bring New York up again. The subject has been rehashed at least 5 times and Kim and Taylor will always have a different perspective on the events. That’s it. It needed to end long before Taylors party. But no- Taylor just had to go after Kim one last time. And what made it worse is that even though Kim probably was drunk, she appeared to be having a great time and was in no way harming anybody. It was probably the happiest we have seen her, actually.

    The way Taylor tried to dfend herself on WWHL was pathetic. She claims that Kim was the one who went after HER that night? Uh…then I guess that’s some amazing editing work that Bravo did. Because that is NOT how I saw things. And her version of how the discussion with Camille took place still makes her an instigating bitch. Just because she tells the story in a light and “innocent” way doesn’t mean she didn’t start the drama.

    I’m sorry to say it but I cannot stand Kyle after watching this mess. She can say that the reason she is mean to her sister is due to her alcoholism but I’m not entirely buying that. Look at how she behaved in the grocery store with Kim. Kim couldn’t even pick out butter properly! She treats her like a mentally challenged baby. And granted, if Kim truly is an alcoholic (which she should NEVER have announced to America!) then I can understand that she would lose her patience with her much easier than if she wasn’t a drinker. But how about some empathy? She’s your sister and it seems as though she hasn’t had an easy life. You don’t “help” an alcoholic by beating them down on a constant basis. If anything, Id think that would push her further into her addictions.

    All I know is that when I think of having to live a life as an alcoholic, it is terribly grim. It must be very lonely and desperate to be in that situation. Kyle isn’t making things any easier for Kim by treating her like crap.

    • Di says:

      Well said Miss A. I couldn’t agree more!

    • Kansas Girl says:

      If Kyle didn’t have her sister to criticize, who would be the brunt of her unhappiness? I think she needs a scapegoat.

      Does Kyle now understand that Taylor is not her friend? Will she have been able to see that, watching the show? (My vote is no, but I hope I’m wrong.)

    • MK Valle says:

      You shouldn’t judge Kyle so harshly in regards to her relationship with Kim. Living with an alcoholic is very difficult, especially when it’s someone so close to your heart. When it goes on for years, it’s even tougher. It seems to me that Kyle has been enabling Kim for years which is easy to understand. Tough love is hard to do when you love someone. Kim has to seek help and want to get help for all her issues…there are too many to list.

      • Di says:

        I hear ya, MK V, I think you sound very kind and empathetic. But as someone who buried her alcoholic mother who drank herself to death 3 years ago, I can speak. I dropped everything in my life countless times to try to save her. I can’t tell you the heartache and pain I experienced. I can’t count the relationships I lost, the professional opportunities I lost, the peace of mind I lost.

        What I can say is that I never, ever told her that my dad told me on his deathbed to take care of her. I never told her the resentment I had about it. I never told her what a burden she was. I didn’t act perfect, she saw me angry, really angry at times, no doubt. However, I never told anyone but my now husband, my Al-Anon support group, and all you sweet anonymous people here. I can’t imagine how much it would have hurt her and my family if I wielded that as weapon. My mom and I had problems getting along my entire life and I still never threw my resentment and my dad’s dying wishes in her face because that is about the lowest thing I can think of to do to another human being when they are obviously struggling.

        I think a support group or therapy would really help Kyle (and Kim of course). Kyle needs to learn her resentment is her issue, not Kim’s. Kyle has the choice to do what she wants, and no one’s dying wishes take away your own free will. Self awareness is a good thing. Kyle needs to see her part in all of this too.

        • Di says:

          Oh and while she’s at it, she probably should stop carrying around locks of her mom’s hair–ick! She needs to let her mom and the past go, and with it will probably go most of her resentments. I just don’t think she can do that without therapy–Adrienne was right on with that advice to her in last night’s episode.

        • Debbie says:

          I am so sorry for all you had to go through. I understand. I completely agree with your well spoken post.

          • Di says:

            Thanks Debbie, so sweet. We all have our sad stories. I just really related to this storyline–it seems a lot of us here do.

            • BambiBaby22 says:

              I have TOTALLY changed my mind about Kyle. I do not like her after this episode, I think she is a miserable person.
              I also thought she was about 15 years too old for that ridiculous outfit and it must’ve been uncomfortable becasue she kept tugging on it all night.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I’m so sorry that you had to go through that. I hope your kindness is repaid 10 fold.

        • nathania says:

          Sorry for your loss and your struggle, that stuff is really tough. And the thing is, Kyle didn’t just tell Kim, she told the whole american public.

          And I will never forgive Kyle for making me give Allison Dubois’ assertions about her a second look. Her characterization of Kyle in high school…it seems more believable now. From the beginning Kim has seemed low-key, low profile and vulnerable. She is the only housewife I have ever seen in Chuck Taylors. I idolized her as a child and I didn’t even want to watch this show because I saw the previews and knew she had signs of some kind of problem. It’s harsh to watch your icons get torn down. Bravo’s last clip of Kim crying in the limo was especially cruel.

          If anyone watched WWHL afterwards, you saw Andy Cohen’s shock that the poll respondents sided with Kim, by a three quarter majority. I think there must be ice in his veins, he just is not ‘normal’ when it comes to things like compassion and empathy, he never seems to ‘get it’ when people on his show cross the line. It’s a disturbing pattern that seems to emerge at least once a season.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I didn’t see tough love coming from Kyle towards Kim. I saw anger and resentment- which is completely different.

        Lisa show ‘tough love’ in her discussion about her sons’ battles with drug abuse- even going as far as to send him away from the influences that surrounded him living the life style of the rich and uber privileged. She showed trepidation about him going to a music school in the heart of Hollywood and took measures to ensure if paid for him to go to school there- she wasn’t going to be enabling his addiction.

        Her declaring that Maurico supports her (although I suspect it’s not as cut and dry as all that) isn’t having her sisters back- if anything it’s enabling her.

        Allowing Taylor to constantly attack-and LIE about Kim- then scold Kim when she truthfully defends herself is unfathomable and difficult for me to watch.

        If Kyle thought Kim was drunk, then she should have taken her aside and told her to go home- instead she highlighted the behavior and allowed it to be used as a means for Kim to be unwarrantably attacked.

        Kyle’s blog where she tries to redeem herself didn’t win her anymore favor from me. She says she regrets saying those things to her sister- but then defends Taylor again-and again when by now she has seen that Kim was telling the truth.

        I believe it’s because Taylor validates her behavior with her sister instead of a woman like Adrienne who can see there are so many layers to the issue that it requires professional intervention if it is ever to be resolved.

        I think Taylor is far worse than Camile.
        As it was mentioned- not only does this domestic violence ‘survivor’ threaten physical force (even if she was just blowing smoke- she should have never went there)- she also expresses herself to be sensitive to drug and alcohol abuse (which IMO-is more of a business venture than a sincere commitment to recover) is making digs about “Kim’s demenor” at the table in NY as a way to deflect from her own guilt and feed in to Kyle’s anger.

        I could just see the way her brain was working- ‘Kim and Lisa are on to me- and Kim is about to prove I am a shit disturber! I think I will just call him a drunk and say that she doesn’t have Kyle’s back- that way it Kyle can’t disagree with me’.

        • Kimberly says:

          Rabble Rouser, I totally agree! I too think Taylor is worse than Camille. I think Camille acts the way she does because she is deeply insecure but Taylor acts the way she does because she is a snake at heart.

        • Miss Anthrope says:

          You said everything I wanted to say, only better than I could 😛

          What bothered me most is how Kyle kept saying “What are you doing? What are you doing right now? Look at you with your antics again!” but she really wasn’t doing ANYTHING but trying to have fun at a party. She seriously didn’t do anything wrong at all. So wtf? Why haven’t any of these women aside from Adrienne at least come out and acknowledged that even if Kim is an alcoholic and a “bad sister” or whatever that she still hadn’t done anything that night to warrant the abuse she got?

          It’s understandable to have some resentment toward her if in fact the things Kyle said were true, but that doesn’t excuse what she did to her that night or what she repeatedly did to her throughout the season.

          And another thing that strikes me as odd-
          If Kim is that bad off, needs that much guidance and help, and is a serious alcoholic…then why on earth would Kyle agree to be on this show with her? I know that if that was my sister and we both had the opportunity to be on the show I would try everything to get her not to be on it, and if she decided to do it anyway I would refuse to take part. You do not encourage and partake in a lonely, desperate alcoholic putting themselves on national television on a show known for drama and then claim you are always trying to protect them. That just doesn’t make any sense.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            Kim and whatever issues she is dealing with clearly aren’t the real ups and downs of Kyle’s life. Sorry, I don’t believe it.

            Even though they up sized on there house- I think it’s BS- there is a TON of inventory in BH and Bel Air- and not much is moving. There is no way I don’t believe that Maurico’s income didn’t take a cut. I think they are spending money they are projecting they will have from enforcement deals.

            Before HW, I never heard of Villa Blanca but now I must have heard it mentioned 6 times on TMZ that they caught some celeb leaving there.

            I heard that plastic surgeons have probably taken a 40% cut since the recession- and they are visiting Paul at work-and Paul giving consults at a lunch table.

            Kim was hardly the only one who wasn’t recession proof.

            Despite the good qualities some of the HW’s have- they are all in it for the cash grab.

        • nathania says:

          Wow, great post.

          This episode really revealed the true character of everyone on that show. No stone was left unturned. Lisa, though she has her glitches, has a keen eye for character when it comes to everyone on earth except Cedric. Adrienne, God love her, behaved in an incredibly moral fashion…I didn’t warm up to her but she really won me over on this episode and also on WWHL. If there had been a true moral center in the NJ franchise we never would have been subjected to the witchhunt that happened vs. Danielle Staub last season. (Because all of those women are equally immoral and have checkered pasts).

          I’m embarrassed to admit that I shouted “you b*tch” at the tv at work when Taylor gave her version of what she said to Camille. What she said was bad enough, so what she admitted to was probably the downplayed version. I am beginning to think of Taylor as an android, she doesn’t seem to have any discernable human qualities. I feel for Russell who is clearly either high functioning autistic or asperger syndrome and will NEVER be able to fulfill her needs in terms of being a suave don juan type like Mauricio. Mauricio doesn’t seem very bright, though, so I guess you have to make trade offs. Taylor is no great intellect either, though I have a feeling she could out-Camille Camille when it comes to manipulation. If I had to guess I would say that the whole motive for her doing this show is exposure to find a richer husband. And her befriending Kyle probably has to do with Kyle’s proximity to the Hiltons. Taylor is just not ‘good people’, I don’t think.

    • TLM says:

      I agree that Taylor should not have confronted Kim at her party, and I don’t know why anyone would choose to confront someone at their own party. How about talking to her the following week?

      Kyle had little patience with Kim but I related to it. They are like night and day. At the market, Kim threw her cheap purse on top of Kyle’s Birkin Bag, which could have scratched Kyle’s bag. That was the first thing, and I would have done the same thing Kyle did. I did feel that Kyle was probably paying for those groceries and it made sense she should have more of a say in what they bought for the house. Kim also seemed to have no understanding of what processed food vs. unprocessed is, and was choosing fake margerine, jarred rather than fresh salsa (which she weirdly pronounced sal-Za) and got fake tortilla chips that were more like Doritos than authentic chips. I guess I related to Kyle’s impatience because I have the same preferences she does for the food selected, and yes, with a family member, you are less patient and more honest than you would be with a stranger. I couldn’t relate to Kim; it seemed like these two grew up in totally different worlds. And while most people in North America know how to pronounce “salsa” correctly, Kyle IS married to a man who grew up in Mexico. But it seemed to me like Kim just wanted to argue with Kyle.

      I could not believe Kim actually blamed Kyle for the fact that she didn’t know how to apply makeup??? She said it was because Kyle went to school more than she did and had more friends. Well, how about the fact that as a working actress, Kim, you had your makeup applied by professionals for years? You should be an expert on makeup application if you had learned from them. You had the opportunity to be better trained than most women. Instead, it’s Kyle’s fault you don’t know how to do makeup. That one took the cake. Addicts are really good at blaming everyone else around them for their problems.

      • Sha2000 says:

        I thought that too; why not pay attention during the years in the make-up chair? My thought is she feels inferior & that’s an excuse.
        Less attractive than her sisters, looks many years older (especially without make-up), sad downward brows, dated looking…the make-up was an excuse.

      • Miss Anthrope says:

        All those things at the grocery store that you mentioned are nitpicky though. And not to mention bourgeois. If my sister and I went grocery shopping and pulled the “omg you got the cheap chips”, “ugh you’re getting the store brand margarine!” crap I would think she was fake as hell. It’s snobbery and it’s pathetic.

        She wasn’t blaming Kyle for her not knowing how to do makeup. She was just saying that maybe because she worked as a teenager that that’s why she doesn’t know. I’d also guess that if you had your makeup done by professionals when you were a teenager you wouldn’t really feel the need to learn. Look at Britney Spears. She can’t do her own hair and makeup either- probably because she didn’t have to when she was growing up.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I agree with you and I also think it goes further than that.

          While growing up- the Richards weren’t the richest of the rich in Bel Air-they still lived there. They still have a house keeper who took care of the basic life skills type of things that most kids learn growing up to become self sufficient adults. I’m sure Kim had handlers when she was working a lot- how much decision making experience has she had?

          I can’t imagine where I would be in life if all the vices were easy accessible to me; if I was a cash cow to my parents instead of their child; If success was define by marrying rich instead of being well adjusted- happy and good at what you do.

          In Celerity rehab Jason Davis said that he had no idea how to do laundry. It’s pathetic and sad at the same time- how can someone be capable of making life saving decisions for themselves when they can’t toss some dirty jeans in a washer?

        • TLM says:

          I don’t think it’s a class issue since they grew up in the same house, and actually Kim was exposed at a younger age to wealthy actors & actresses she worked with. It’s like there is a huge missing piece of the puzzle — I can’t figure out why Kim seems to act oddly sheltered. It is at odds with her own history. She lives in So. Cal. and doesn’t know how to say salsa. She thinks “organic” food means it’s fattening or something. Like she had no clue what the word meant. I don’t think it is snobby to eat less processed food, nor should it be labeled a class issue. My point is that Kim and Kyle grew up in the same house but you would never know it.

          Yes, I admit I have the same preferences at Kyle but even if I didn’t, I would just be puzzled by how different these sisters are.

          • Miss Anthrope says:

            I agree that they are very different and not just in the normal ways that all siblings are different from one another. It’s because Kim is very socially awkward. She pretty much admits that. But so it goes with child stars. I can’t think of a single person who found stardom at a young age who grew up to be a totally well adjusted person. I also suspect that her whole family was eating the fruits of her labor. I can’t even imagine how I would feel if I was working my ass off as a kid only to watch my sisters drive around and party with their friends with the things I paid for.

            While they both obviously grew up in the same family, I really do think they had a very different childhood from one another.

        • nathania says:

          I think too the big issue is that Kyle has coping skills which Kim does not have, because Kim did not have a normal childhood and sadly did not learn them. And that seems to be the plight of so many child stars, they get to adult hood with zero coping skills and then totally decompensate. I generally like Kim on this show but so many times she was painful to watch, especially with acid-tongued Kyle always hovering around and trying to knock her off her game. Kyle needs to take a long look in the mirror and ask herself what she is really trying to do here. I am sensing that this show has been more about fulfilling an acting dream and a wish to be ‘the center of attention’ for Kyle.

      • Anne says:

        Really? I don’t think having your make-up applied by a professional leads to one knowning how to apply make-up. If that were true then all of the on camera reporters and anchors who go the same salon I do across from Rockerfeller Center would actually know how to do it and for years they don’t. I hear them I am getting my hair and make-up done and they don’t know how to do it. They are all famous. I just disagree with that statement.

        Kim was taken advantage of at a young age by her mother. Kim should have had a normal life, but she didn’t. She was the solo financial support for their family, so Kyle does owe her. She owes her for the life-style she supplied her with and the ability to meet people like Mauricio. Same same holds true for Kathy. If not for Kim Kathy wouldn’t have been in BHH for to run around with Rick.

    • kotagirl29 says:

      As an alcoholic myself I have to tell you that you are so far off base it is not funny. Alcoholism is not a disease that happens overnight. It takes a long time, it sneaks up on you and the ones who love you. They watch as a once caring and productive person loses themselves to a bottle. They watch as you make horrific mistakes. In the beginning, they try to help. They give you emotional and financial support because no one wants to believe that it is a problem. After time your family and friends become frustrated with having to help you. They get angry because they are watching you kill yourself slowly. They get you to repeatedly promise that you are done, you won’t put them through this anymore. But as soon as there is a little bump in your road, its just the excuse you need to have a drink and make things better. Alcoholics and drug addicts use because they can’t deal with their emotions, their memories, their lives. I can’t tell you how many times people in my family screamed at me, threatened me, stopped speaking to me. Nothin changed until I was ready to change. If Kim is an alcoholic (which I believe she is) then Kyle was doing her a favor by telling everyone what is going on. Addiction is a disease of secrets. I don’t think it is fair to blame either one of them for the position they find themselves in now. Kim has a problem, she has bitter resentments against her family, and who knows what other secrets haunt her. Kyle is frustrated because she can’t fix this and she doesn’t know what to do. Yes it comes off as angry and mean. Yes she is angry, but she is not cruel or heartless. It is because she cares so much that she is so angry. She doesn’t want to watch her sister kill herself anymore. Can you really blame her.

      • klmh says:

        Well written and I agree.

      • Di says:

        Hi Kota, I really appreciated reading your insightful post and totally understand what you are saying. However, I think where we disagree (and maybe there’s a little misunderstanding) is how Kyle went about telling everyone, who was the “everyone” she told, and what it was she told.

        I’m all for the honesty you speak of. Our secrets make and keep us sick. I know this. I lived this. In my own experience, I reached out to all our family members, enabling friends, etc., in order to tell them what was going on in order to remove her veil of secrecy. This destroyed many of my relationships with these people, but I didn’t give a damn if it helped make her well, which it didn’t, but I think it was the right decision anyway.

        I think there is an enormous difference with being honest with all the people in the addict’s life and inviting a national t.v. audience in to be “honest.” It is cruel and unproductive in my opinion. I also think it is cruel and unproductive to use the most important dead relative’s supposed words and feelings against the addict when that dead person isn’t there to speak for themselves.

        I think Kyle has issues beyond Kim’s addiction. She should spend her time on her own issues in my humble opinion.

  5. Mary Jane says:

    Nice recap. I have to agree about the sisters and their shared anger towards their mother. From what I have read about her she was very money hungry and pretty much focused her whole life around getting others to pay her way. I wouldn’t doubt that Kyle may have some jealousy/anger issues toward Kim because the mother probably favored Kim when she was young and successful. Since Kim was so busy and making so much money their mother probably focused on her more then her other daughters, and Kyle being the youngest may not have gotten as much attention as she needed. All just speculation on my part of course, but some therapy would greatly help both of them.

    • Di says:

      So true M.J. I saw it the same way, and in therapy they could realize it was their mother that did this to them with the values she instilled. This is what happens when a mom (or dad) who doesn’t get to chase her (or his) own dreams becomes a stage mom (or dad) and uses kids to support their family. It’s so unfair to do to the whole family, and the resentment has never left either one of the sisters. They each have their own sad stories, and they can’t appreciate the other one’s pain because they are too hurt themselves.

  6. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    Adrienne is the only housewive on this show with common sense she ran after Kim because she saw how the others all ganged up on her
    Yes Lisa has her friends back but had she not told Taylor to make it right perhaps the fight at the party wouldnt have happened
    as for Kelsey being a genius evil or otherwise I dont think he planned anything other then being away from his Shrew for months on end if he had half a brain he would have had a pre nup i mean really how many marriages before one learns
    now i dont know if Kim was actually drunk at that party because it was Kyle that was over reacting to everything being said and it was Kyle that was lunging after her sister

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Adrienne is used to breaking up sibling fights at home. She said in the lunch with Camille that if she wants to hear petty fighting, she can get that at home with her boys.

      • TLM says:

        I have to wonder why Adrienne is known as the peacemaker among all her friends and the voice of reason, yet every waking moment with her husband is an argument over some stupid crap. Where are her peacemaking skills then? Does anyone else think this is weird?

        • Sha2000 says:

          Growing up with brothers & working in a male dominated atmosphere may have made Adrienne tougher & less emotional, but in a good way. She just seems more logic driven.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I agree-
            I am sure she was thinking, my families empire is in danger of being lost- and these woman are lunging at each over on whether or not someone used the word ‘invisible’ instead of ‘insignificant’. I’m sure she has to be bit stunned by the pettiness.

          • twoile says:

            @S I would add that “A” grew up w/ all brothers & is the mother of 3 young boys…she is perfect given her life experiences……boys as a general rule shrug off hurts etc after conflict….girls have a general rule have a tendency 2 hold onto the hurt ergo resentment etc. Oh yes this concept can be considered controvercial & 20 yrs ago I would have had a lot to argue against it, life has adjusted my observations.=)

    • nathania says:

      it was interesting to me that for being so ‘drunk’ Kim remembered the exact words that Taylor said to her at the airport or whenever. It was kyle that pointed out that Kim was ‘drunk’…I am a recovering alcoholic so to me drunk has a different meaning than what I saw from Kim. It’s sad that Kim acted with more composure ‘drunk’ than Kyle who was apparently sober.

      I don’t know what role alcohol plays in Kim’s life but I suspected from the word go when Kyle said Kim was ‘drunk’ or acting drunk, that her intentions were to reveal or slander Kim as an alcoholic, it was like it was just killing her to be keeping this ‘secret’ from the world, and by god this was the night of the finale so it was her last chance to put the final knife in her sisters abdomen. It was such a pathetic display. And Kim does not have the stones to deal with these kinds of scenes, you can’t even feel comfortable spectating because Kim always looks like she is going to come flying apart. I really wish that Adrienne had put some martial arts moves down on Kyle’s behind, that would have made the finale exponentially better. Watching Kyle flail at Kim like that would be like watching someone kick a puppy; there is no way the puppy deserves it and no way the person kicking it isn’t a complete @sshole.

      • NYConsultant says:

        ITO. I secretly wanted Kyle to get in one good punch just so she’d get her damn whiskey tango azz hauled off to the slammer where she can reflect on what a cruel creep she has been and be revealed as a slime ball to all of America. I would have gladly provided Kim with an ice pack and a referral for an attorney. A slightly better scenario, as you proposed, would have been Adrienne drop kicking Kyle, and as she falls she gives a crotch shot to the camera. All season long I have seen Kyle abuse her sister and shook my head in disgust reading comments from others stating ‘this is just how sisters interact sometimes.’ I grew up in a difficult home and regardless of circumstance, I would never *ever* treat anyone the way Kyle treats Kim, LEAST of all my sister. Our relationship is far from perfect but the dynamic between Kyle and Kim disgusts me and the fact that so many sisters seem to relate to their situation devastates me. I’ll hug my sister a little tighter from now on.

  7. kbinldo says:

    Here’s my take on last night’s show: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6247636/another_party_from_hell.html?cat=39

    It runs along similar lines as yours, Lynn. Great blog, as always! 🙂

    • quincyil says:

      I agree with your last few paragraphs. From Kyle’s rhetoric over the season, I thought that she may have been in therapy at some time. She certainly knew the “words” of therapy.

      Thanks for the link to your article.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Great article

    • nathania says:

      good blog, and good call about noticing how good Kim looked and how Kyle’s reaction, ‘she’s drunk’ came off like petty jealousy. The best thing Kim could do is get Kyle out of her life for six months to a year. Let her head clear, and deal with whatever substance abuse issues she may have, if there is any credence to that charge. She might very well find it is Kyle’s sniping that is leading her into depression and sadness in the first place, and without Kyle around constantly trying to trip her up, she might have the equilibrium to stand on her own, because she seems genuineley oblivious to how venomous and undermining Kyle is of her.

    • NYConsultant says:

      “Puss-in-Boots eyes”…. BRILLIANT!

  8. Thelittlewife says:

    I haven’t heard anyone comment on Kyle taking her mother’s ashes? To the psychic with her. I thought that was one of the more bizarre RH moments for me.

    Love the blog Lynn! Excellent work Quincy!! Long time reader first time poster.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Yeah. Ick. Plant her already! It’s as if the mother is idolized.

      • Sha2000 says:

        LOL KG!!!

      • quincyil says:

        “Big” Kathy is a manipulator from the grave. I will need medium skills do deal with that ghost.

        • LCM says:

          I think they both idolized their mother, and it seems like they both had to take care of their mother – moreso than normal. Some mothers, especially very narcissistic ones, who aren’t well adjusted create a situation where the child or children become responsible for her, and not the other way around. The children feel a huge sense of responsibility to protect and cater to the mother in this kind of role reversal. It’s a crushing amount of responsibility for a kid, but in some ways, it can also be empowering — after all, the child really is protecting the mother by buying the house, etc.

          I think Kim wants respect and recognition for that from Kyle, and I think Kyle wants respect and recognition from Kim for her role as the more together, responsible, mature one who has looked out for her. Chances are that they resent each other for these things because of their mother’s influence. They both idolize their mother (Kim did a jewelry line in her honor and Kyle has her ashes and a lock of hair) but it’s probably their mother’s fault that they have these deeply entrenched feelings and resentments. It feels like these two grown women are still fighting for their mother’s attention and affection. I also get the feeling their mom never really gave either the appropriate recognition. Since their mother either was a trained actress or wanted to be an actress, but had children very young (as all 3 of her daughters did) she may have been a real stage mother, living through the successes of her children and considering it her own.

          Both Kim and Kyle were traumatized by the fight, and both mentioned having anxiety and panic attacks because of it. Just the way Kim cringed when confronted by Kyle in the limo is telling. She’s been there before (in a helpless position, likely with her mother).

          Martin definitely gets a lot of credit for going to Kim in the car. He doesn’t do it because he’s interested in her as a date, but rather because it’s clear that she’s very distraught. It was genuine concern for another person. No alterior motive.

          Kyle and Kim’s kids need Al-Anon and Alateen. It would be enormously helpful as family of an alcoholic.

          As far as Kim saying that Kyle ‘stole’ her house, it could have been that the house became too expensive and Kyle & her husband bought it from her at a price she feels, in retrospect, was low.

          As always, Lynn, great blog!

  9. TLM says:

    The end of the series really wasn’t a shock to me regarding any of the women, although Kyle’s revelation that her husband was helping to support Kim did answer a question I had had. I found it hard to believe she was still living off the money from her work 20+ years ago on shows that haven’t even been shown in syndication in years.

    If I had to guess, I would say Mauricio probably helped find the rental for Kim as well as paid part of the rent. My question was about Kim’s remark, “You stole my goddamned house.” I was thinking about it and thought she might be referring to the family property in Palm Springs where they go for Easter. It’s possible Kim’s money bought that house, but since she didn’t have the money to keep the house, the Umanskys assumed all financial responsibility for it to keep it in the family. I wonder if that will be addressed in the reunion.

    I know people all along have complained that Kyle could be dismissive to her sister, but I hope this episode drives home what I always suspected: Kim has put Kyle through the mill over the years, financially and emotionally. Addicts lie to families and exhaust their trust. Kim’s kids probably came to Kyle because they needed a parent who was present. Who knows if these kids have had to clean Kim up and put her to bed many nights when she was drunk. Even though Kim loves her kids, I am sure they have resentment and that there have been many incidents of her being drunk and perhaps ruining events they have gone to.

    I wondered if “Taylor’s birthday party” doubled as an end-of-season party like they had in Orange County. It seemed odd that so many people were there who weren’t friends with Taylor, like Martin, for example. BTW, did anyone think it was completely bizarre that Martin got into the limo with Kim and Adrienne? Kim had blown him off about 3 times prior to that. I can’t imagine he’ll be going out with her after that whole thing, and Single Gary is probably thanking God he didn’t pursue her either.

    I did not have sympathy for Camille, even as she was crying with Didi. She seemed to want to get a jab in by saying, “In my heart I believe it’s a woman” Kelsey was with. Watching the earlier episode where she announced to everyone that she “lost weight, and most people would be proud of that but I’m not.” Congratulations, Camille, you just totally treated it like a badge of honor. Camille seems to find a way to be grating and show her narcissism even as bad things are happening to her. It phenomenal to me how she can make you hate her even when her husband has forbidden her from entering the apartment she designed, and has told the security guards (who apparently never watch television) that someone other than Camille is Mrs. Kelsey Grammer. Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me, although I find it funny that when she gets ultra-angry, she drops her affected voice and starts sounding more like her real Jersey self. It’s still subtle since she has worked for many years to cultivate her fake breathy whispery whiny posh voice, but it’s definitely there. You can take the girl out of Jersey City, but…you know the rest of that story.

    I wondered why it took Lisa so long to wise up to Cedric. First, I was SHOCKED that he was 37, but if he was with them for 15 years I guess that makes sense. Just hearing the number 37, though, sounded crazy to me. I didn’t quite hear what he said to Lisa about people still being “kids” until they were 50? Huh??? Was he expecting to stay with them until he was 50? His attempts at manipulation were so transparent. It was one thing for him to take her aside and try to sweet talk her, but that whole bullshit speech to Lisa and Ken about it being the first time he felt he had a family? Are you effing kidding?? He lived with these people for 15 years. Even after they told him it was time to go, he whined, “I guess it’s out of sight, out of mind.” Lisa had to tell him that even if he was her son, he wouldn’t be allowed to stay. In making the argument he had with them while moving out, he ensured that he WAS out of their lives forever. I hope Lisa learned her lesson, and that this is the last “permanent houseguest” she will have. I kind of wonder why, with all her money, she never had a private investigator check Cedric out in the 15 years he was there. I mean, you’re letting this guy into your home to have full access to everything. Wouldn’t that occur to you? He’s a con man, plain and simple.

    • vilzvet says:

      The “I hope it’s a woman” remark was incredible. Not too many people are noticing or commenting on that. She’s getting her slams in any which way she can.

      • Sha2000 says:

        vilzvet, you’d think she’d wait until after the settlement, lol.

        • Ratzy Girl says:

          I’ve read in several publications that Camille was actually finacially better off than Kelsey when they first married. Because of his alcoholism and heavy party-ways, he was almost broke. She apparently is a saavy investor and helped aquire much of the real estate holdings they jointly hold right now.
          That might explain why she had so many nannies, and has house staff, etc. She may have actually earned a lot of that money and Kelsey didn’t have much room to complain about it. She somehow got him/kept him sober, invested the money he was earning from Frazier and now they jointly are worth just over $100 million. She may very well get a cool $50 million.
          I’m not defending her, but I don’t think the title ‘golddigger’ is on her resume.

          I think Taylor is definitely the snake in the grass.

          Camille is just a bit conceited and self-absorbed, and now insecure because Kelsey ran off to NYC right away. at the beginning of the series. I think his running off to broadway spiraled her into jilted woman craziness subconsciously. They were married 13 years, so that has got to mean something. I think Camille transformed into more crazy because she began to realize her hubby wasn’t so special and unique anymore. He’s an adulterer with a roving eye and she subconsciously knew that the end was near-we witnessed her crazy developing at the start of RHOBH.
          I still think Kyle is passive/agressive and most definitely Alpha, and Kim is not. It drives me crazy that she keeps talking over Kim, interupting her, getting Kim flustered…Kyle knows EXACTLY what she is doing and needs to filter herself and quit acting like she is the victim.
          My ex was an alcoholic, (an unfortunately still is, just got out of 30 days of rehab again) but if Kim really has a problem, Kyle needs to quit laying the guilt trips about always having to take care of her.

          Kyle, you are not doing such a great job. If you won’t go to a therapist for your own indiscretions of anger toward Kim, or go to Al-Anon to learn the right way to deal with an addict then quit antogonizing your sister, and enabling her behavoir. I think Kyle likes having something to complain about, Oh poor me, look what I have to put up with, she doesn’t always have my back. Nothing worse than a whiney Alpha female that has a practically perfect life but is quick to point out thefaults of one who isn’t as strong. Shame on you Kyle.

          And Taylor, you are not all that.
          And Camille, hopefully you have been humbled by this whole experience and can settle down with all that crazy lying behavoir. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt since we don’t have much of an idea of who you were before your disappearing-act Actor Hubby hooked up w/ a 29 year old. (Other than the wife of a famous actor)

          Lisa & Ken you guys rock (Good riddance Cedric)
          Adrianne and Paul, you guys are cute when you bicker and crack me up. She is so laid-back.
          Kim, hang in there, maybe you can find a good friend that is there for you when you need it (without being reminded why you are being helped at every instant, that you don’t have their back, and how long you’ve been a burden, etc)

    • cdnfillie58 says:

      Spot on TLM…couldn’t agree more

    • VV says:

      I’m from Jersey City, lifelong…I love the space I have to live in, within 10-20 minutes from everything I need to have in Manhattan. Closer, actually, than most Manhattanites do, so…

      • TLM says:

        I didn’t mean it as a slam VV, was just commenting that Camille is affected and phony in my opinion. I feel she would rather no one knew she was from there. I grew up in NJ and PA and am still there.

        • Anne says:

          I am originally from Princeton, NJ and I went to Princenton, as well. I am proud to say that. My home town harbors one of the best Universities in the world and for a small town it is known to be very culturally driven. I think it is dangerous to paint with such a wide brush.

          Also, almost everyone I know who works in the City and were not originally from there liven in Hoboken or JC for a time. Many still live there because both JC and Hoboken are not what they once where. Actually, Goldman, JP Morgan, etc. all have large buildings in JC. It is very different if you haven’t been there in many years.

      • quincyil says:

        I know someone who lives in an apartment in New Jersey with a view of Manhattan. I have seen the photos from their deck. It’s cool that you live there.

        • NYConsultant says:

          I live next to Wall Street and my view is LOUSY. It is partially obstructed by a high rise called the Beaver House (I know, right?) which is yellow and brown brick. I could throw a stone from my terrace and hit it. I agree hands down that many Jersey apartments have much better views (also Brooklyn). But I do still prefer living in lower Manhattan, it’s just easier and I’m lazy. Still, nuthin wrong with Jersey.

  10. buffywood says:

    I am bring this over from the last blog.

    The whole thing is just sad. I wonder how much irreparable damage has been done to the Richards sister’s relationship because of this show. There is so much history and damage in both of them, the biggest mistake they made was being on this show in the first place. Kim and Kyle’s agent was there? Adrienne’s PR Person was there? This wasn’t a Russell planned and paid party. This was a Bravo set-up from the beginning. Not letting Kim leave? As far as I am concerned if the driver (who I am sure was paid by Bravo) wouldn’t let her leave then it was unlawful restraint. There is a reason why they showed Kim discussing earlier how uncomfortable she is when she is all dressed up. They wanted her to feel out of her element and uncomfortable from the beginning. Where was the camera when Kim was getting ready before the party? They show most of the other ladies getting ready and even if they didn’t show it they probably filmed it. If Kim was drinking before hand, someone knew.

    There is a difference showing people’s problems and issues on TV, but to encourage it and exploit it is different. I am calling shame on Bravo for this one as I see their puppet string behind this one.

    In addition I agree that both have serious anger/resentment issues toward their mother and rightfully so, these need to be addressed as you can’t change the past, just hope you allow this to affect you as you go forward.

    Financially supporting a sibling is very complicated and I know from experience. Where is that line between supporting them and enabling them? If someone finds it let me know.

    In regards to the doorman, I don’t doubt that he may have asked her for ID. Not knowing her that is what he is trained to do, especially with all of the stalkers out. He never met her and with Kelsey saying she shouldn’t go there he would have had no reason to give his building a head’s up to expect her. In college I worked at a very high end gated marina and a large percentage of the men had both a wife and a mistress. We were trained on how to handle this situation delicately like I believe most high end doormen in NYC are as well.

    • TLM says:

      Re: Taylor’s party, exactly Buffy!! This is why I said I was wondering if it was less a “Taylor’s b-day party” and more an end-of-season party thrown by Bravo which happened to have an awkward toast by Russell. I don’t think Russell planned or paid for any of it.

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  12. tweatcyn says:

    Great therapy session. It was so inappropriate the way Taylor instigated that whole gang-up on Kim at her party.She had a sourpuss face from beginning to end of her own BD party. My coworker went to LA Zoo last weekend and saw Russell there looking very unhappy, then saw Taylor chewing Kennedy out in public. She did agree to taking a photo with him though. She had black leggings on which made her legs look like little sticks. She is way too skinny.

  13. Miss Katherine says:

    a very interesting episode. i’m surprised though that lynn didn’t make the connections between kyle and our own dearly hated jill zarin. kyle fought dirty in that limo. seeing her scramble for something, anything truly horrible to say about kim and revealing something as serious as a substance abuse problem was in a word–sickening. i really feel like we saw the real kyle tonight. it will be interesting to see how she behaves season 2. i think she could easily fall from grace as jill did, especially when you consider the WWHL poll. she fought dirty and now i can’t stomach her. she’s the biggest phony of them all.

    i like lisa… cedric is a clear manipulator and it was never more obvious than last night. adrienne is the peacemaker. i think she genuinely likes the richards sisters which is why she was trying to mediate in the limo.

    taylor is a 14 year old girl. here’s a word to describe her that she’s probably familiar with: INSECURE. the party was not the time or the place to try to “patch things up with kim” which we all know was really her wanting to antagonize the easy target.

    i may be in the minority but i truly feel for camille. i think she behaved poorly all season but there is nothing evil about her. i think kyle was way scarier in that limo than camille has been all season. camille loved kelsey, i believe, and wanted to make it work. kelsey is a pig to do this to her and to their children. it always disturbs me when real housewives shows the unraveling of marriages (Tamra/simon, nene/gregg). it seems like a line has been crossed because the children will have to witness and endure this, knowing all of america is privy to their family secrets. i don’t really think bravo should air some of those awful fights because of the damage it can cause to innocent children. that being said, camille deserves every penny and kelsey deserves a knee to the balls. his new relationship is a joke.

    you know, after seeing last night, i think camille was right at her dinner party. she said “if i wasn’t here they’d be picking at each other.” well camille wasn’t at the party and they were at each other’s throats. camille was easy to pick on because she speaks without thinking and has kind of proven to be delusional. it’s no coincidence that in her absence they turn on kim.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      I agree, Camille does/did love Kelsey. Two things stood out.

      “I asked him to stay for the children but he refused. This man was no longer my husband”.


      “I filed for divorce because he was already gone”.

      We all know when a man is over you, he becomes a stranger. Gone is the love and in its place is a cruel person whom you never knew was inside. Sure Kelsey would have filed for divorce, but why should she wait? He was gone, living with another woman, who was pregnant…it was indeed over. She had no choice.

      • sophie says:

        Have a very, very strong feeling that this marriage was over long before filming began and they agreed for the sake of the cameras to ‘fake’ it for awhile. I don’t believe one word out of Camille’s mouth. We’re getting one side of the story and she’s got the upper hand there. She’s also publicly badmouthing him in the worst way to the detriment and shame of her children. If she loved these kids she wouldn’t pull this b.s. ….her husband remains silent. In doing so he will be the one his children respect when this is all over. Remember, they will see their mother’s past as well, and her foul stories about their father will lose impact because of it.

        • nathania says:

          oh wow, good point. what woman who is really concerned for her kids goes on howard stern and tells the world her husband is a cross dresser so they can be teased at school. Dina Manzo might have a new best friend here though.

    • Kimberly says:

      It was inexcusable of Kyle to insinuate that Kim made their mothers death more painful because she had to worry about what would happen to her. I don’t think Kyle resents her mother she is always gushing about her like she was wonderful. I’m not surprised Kim has issues. It can’t have been easy growing up as the meal ticket and never having a life. Kinda reminds me of the Lohan’s.
      I found the party scene incredibly painful to watch. My heart broke for Kim. I have never like Taylor from day one. She is a Beverly Hills wannabee, she doesn’t seem to be in the same league as the others so she resorts to dirty tactics to fit in. I sincerely hope that Kyle sees her new friend for the snake that she is.

      • NYConsultant says:

        “I’m gonna take you out back and pull some Oklahoma on your azz”… I DIED. She is so ghetto just a smiiiiidge beneath the surface. Hilarious. I read on another recap (and sorry to steal, whomever you were) that after she convinced Russell that Kennedy was allergic to Snowball she could finally stop rubbing the child with grass clippings and dust mites.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I disagree regarding Camille. Camille has shown over and over that she is sneaky, calculating and mean. The difference between Kyle and Camille is that Kyle is a powder keg and Camille is sly. The constant “Kyle is jealous” tirade started to get a little old and when Camille, D.D. and Allison were talking about Mauricio and Kyle and making it out like Mauricio was cheating was pretty despicable.

  14. MickeyMouth says:

    Did anyone else think that Camille was on something during her interviews? She seemed so mellow out of it.

    • TLM says:

      It’s called Botox and no expression. LOL. And perhaps a few Valiums.

    • quincyil says:

      Her eye lids were drooping. I think she was exhausted.

    • error404 says:

      she has IBS and often tells Dede that she’s sick to her stomach. I don’t think Camille got very much sleep during this show either. I think she lets stress get the better of her, and she didn’t take that divorce well at all.

      • sophie says:

        Just curious…how does one acquire IBS? Could a person who’s livelihood depends on how their body appears possibly bring this on themself? Say, through the abuse of laxatives as a means of weight loss? I would presume this would mess up one’s bowels pretty good. Too many women in the entertainment industry were addicted to laxative abuse. I bet Camille’s one of them.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I developed symptoms after the birth of my second child. I don’t know if that is what brought it on or was just getting older.

          • NYCer says:

            My best friend got IBS during her divorce. Every doctor she has been to says stress is the common factor.

  15. Vcosentino says:

    Hi everyone! I have been reading this blog for months but I have never been compelled to post until today!
    What a season finale! It made me feel really heartbroken towards the end and quite frankly I did not find it entertaining. There was way too much drama and too much bitterness surrounding all of these issues. Between the sisters I really cannot take sides since we only see a piece of the drama. I can only bestow compassion upon both Kim and Kyle. I agree with Lynn that there are deep rotted issues regarding their mother. I do feel that kyle could treat Kim better, but after all of these years you being to resent seeing someone act out and such. All of that anger is really a manifestation of fear, guilt, and sorrow. I hope Kim finds peace, joy and happiness in her life because we all deserve it.

    The only reason why I liked Taylor was because she opened herself up regarding her exposure to domestic violence. However, I do feel that she is a toxic woman and she needs to seek some counseling. Sometimes we re-create our childhood experiences with our friends, peers and family. She must feel at “home” in the midst of all the drama. It is what she only knows. I try to feel compassion towards her and hopefully she discovers that she continues to express what she only knows.
    Lisa- I loved her from the beginning! She tries to be fair and understanding and hopefully she continues to be that way.
    Adrienne- She is likeable, but I would like to see more of her life. It does not bother me that she does not create drama. I think Bravo could use her more for documentary purposes. I would like to see her have lunch, dinner, her insights, and how she uses her prosperity.
    Camille- I do feel that she was edited to be the villain. Yes she is responsible for what she has said and done. However, we know that Taylor orchestrated the entire drama, and those are her reactions. I feel that Camille is insecure and thus her reactions confrim that to the viewers. There is so much more to her than what we have seen and I would rather keep an open mind regarding her situations and hopefully if she returns so she can show a better side of herself.
    It was a riveting and fascinating show and I do like how these women host and attend ostentatious parties and that they allow us to see their opulent lifestyles. I would rather see more positve experiances and less drama. I have to also state that DC was my favorite series because the drama was not as intense and we were able to see how these women live their lives. Each city has a different flavor and for one I prefer minmal drama and less displays of conspicous consumption and the commodification of drama.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Welcome Vcosentino! I’m glad you decided to post, you have some great insight into these ladies. I really like how you pulled the most positive qualities from each of them.

      I hope you’ll continue to give us your thoughts on the shows 🙂

      • Vcosentino says:

        Aww thank you! I really think that you are a fantastic writer and I certainly believe that dwelling on a person’s positive traits are essential. I really like everyone’s insight and opinions because we all see things differently and that is what makes this blog unique and special. Thank you again!

        • Di says:

          I’m glad you posted V. I liked reading your point of view. I hardly post normally, but I really had a lot to say about this finale too.

  16. WindyCityWondering says:

    We will never agree on the dynamics of the Richard sisters. Those of us who have alcoholic relatives know what they can do to a family. From the beginning of the season, I could see Kim was off and the signs were familiar. I really believe Kyle thought that Kim being on the show would give her an opportunity for future jobs and an income. Sadly, families of alcoholics do believe they will eventually get the person they knew and loved back. As hard as it is for some, Kyle loves her sister, wants her sister happy and healthy and may still not realize that it may never happen.
    Looking at the timelines from filming to airing to reunion – Kim is still not getting or wanting help. It is a very real and very sad situation for their families.

    And that doorman – definately had instructions from Kelsey not to let Camille into the apartment. He was just doing his job. I doubt Camille got upstairs but she definately got the message.

  17. girlygirlnyc says:

    Unless you have dealt with someone who is an alcoholic, it is impossible to know what Kyle was going through. It is terrible that she called Kim on the carpet in front of the cameras, but watch it again, she didn’t want to. She kept asking why are you doing this right now? With all of this in the limo?

    Kim pushed and pushed. The thing about addicts is, they are master manipulators. That is how they are allowed to continue their addiction. Anything they do while they are drunk or high is never to be mentioned again, and you can never hold them accountable for it. If you DARE mention their problem, then that immediately makes you the A-hole. Kim practically dared Kyle to say it in the car. Look what happened, everyone jumped on the “Poor Kim, Kyle is a Bitch” train. It works every time.

    • cdnfillie58 says:

      Exactly girly, Kim is not only an alcoholic but an addict..and above all else a master manipulator…I have seen it too many times in my family…the person I’m referring too hid the other addiction behind alcohol..figuring being called an alcoholic was less severe than being labelled a drug addict. Kim’s behaviour last night at the party and in the limo brought back bad thoughts for me :<

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        ITA – I had that sinking feeling when Kim waltzed into the party – Kyle knew what was coming. An alcoholic/addict needs to make you feel sorry for them and that they are a victim – its a game. Kim was gonna have her scene -She snubbed her sister and did the fake BH hello dance with all the other wives (who were surprised by it). She dismissed Martin and his eye roll said it too. It didn’t matter if it wasTaylor or her sister – she was on her course. And the conversation (Taylor’s point of view) vs confrontation (Kim’s point of view) was edited. Taylor wanted to do as Lisa asked put the crap to bed and Kim wasn’t mature or sober enough to just say yeah we need to let that go. I think initally all of them went over to Taylor and Kim with genuine concern.
        IMO – Kyle couldn’t have gotten Kim out of there quietly either! And I think Lisa sent Martin after Kim to make sure she didn’t hurt herself. When Adrienne saw that the others were attending to Kyle and she elected to also go see if Kim was alright. I would hope that Bravo doesn’t invite Kim back because she clearly isn’t in control of her life.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I disagree with you about Taylor’s approach-and Kim’s reaction. Taylor didn’t to mend fences- she wanted Kim to submit to her BS account of what took place.
          She then has the audacity to say that Kim put her in the middle of the argument when it’s was really Taylor who was got caught when she was trying to run between the fences.

          While I am sympathize to those in our group who have had to deal with the residual effects of having an alcoholic in the family;and I do believe that gives some valid insight and perspective I also have to wonder there is some sort of transference going on.

          The think the dynamics of the Richard family and their issues are so multilayered; it goes well beyond any substance issues Kim might have-and on that note I am sure she is not the only one in that family who struggles/struggled with those issues.

          Whatever issues Kim might have- doesn’t mean she ‘baited’ Taylor. It doesn’t mean Taylor’s account is correct-it’s clearly not and the camera’s proved it.
          Taylor didn’t want to put the issue to bed- in between the lines, the message was clear-“Don’t expose me- I’ve got your sister wrapped around my finger and I will use her resentment towards you to my advantage’

          I don’t Kyle approached with genuine concern- at least not for Kim.

        • klmh says:

          Spot on.

    • kbinldo says:

      Excuse me, but what precisely did Kim push in last night’s episode? Was she the one going around, demanding confrontations with the others? No–she was confronted by Taylor, out of the blue, while she was sitting with a friend. Kyle then came over & dialed it up a notch, then *demanded* that Kim not be allowed to leave. I suppose somehow that drunk, druggie Kim manipulated all that?

      Maybe she’s done this in the past, but what I saw last night was a person attacked for no reason defending herself (albeit badly) & doing what she could to end the confrontation (leave). No one told Taylor to go stir up crap with Kim, no one told Kyle to tell everyone Kim was drunk, no one told Kyle to have the limo stopped or climb in the back & physically assault her.

    • Di says:

      Did you catch Kim’s response to Kyle? Something like Kyle drinks all day too. Kim is not the only broken one in the family. Kyle has massive anger issues, as well as some others I suspect.

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        If Kyle truly loved her sister, she should have walked away from that limo instead of egging Kim on and telling her she is insane and needs help….etc.
        Kyle should NOT have made the limo stay there.

        • Di says:

          Bambi, I think your last sentence is key. The fight at the party was bad enough. Kyle doesn’t know how to detach from Kim. She feels responsible for her–from what time she shows up to Taylor’s party, to when she can leave. The only reason it escalated was because Kyle could not stop trying to control Kim’s actions. Kim left because she felt attacked and unsafe. Kyle then made sure she was trapped there and then she went in for the kill. With a sister who takes care of her like that who needs enemies? It was disturbing to say the least. Kyle needs professional help just as much as Kim does.

          • Amber...Real Wife says:

            Absolutely! She was going to “confront” Kim and have her Academy moment! She was going to insult Kim for “ruining” poor Taylor’s event and remind viewers how much she suffers taking care of Kim! Puh-leeze! Had Adrienne not intervened Kim would have had two black eyes! NLOL

            • Scorpiosue1102 says:

              Whoa. Kyle may have a temper, but I think assumptions that Kyle would assault her sister is an assumption that I don’t know if we should make.

              • Di says:

                Hi Scorpio,
                There’s no assumption required. The video speaks for itself.

                A battery is the intentional touching of, or application of force to, the body of another person, in a harmful or offensive manner, and without consent.

                An assault, which is merely the act of threatening a battery, or of placing another in fear or apprehension of an impending and immediate battery.

                • Di says:

                  No one has the right to physically touch another in an unwanted or threatening way, or to threaten to do so. The law makes no exception for a really angry sister dealing with an arguably drunk sister.

                • NYConsultant says:

                  Right-o! Her actions in that video absolutely reached the legal threshold for assault (as I saw it, admittedly it was a difficult angle) and almost certainly battery. And the DA could still press charges (though almost certainly *won’t*). Let’s not forget our beloved Amber and Gary from Teen Mom (cringe)…

      • sophie says:

        Kyle DOES have an issue with drinking: she cannot control her emotions when she’s drinking and is not in complete control of her faculties. Every problem she’s had a hand in this season, she’s had a drink in her hand. She becomes defensive and combative when she’s drinking. She’s drinking in nearly every event. This is a person who cannot drink and maintain dignified behavior. Kim has a point…and just because we don’t see Kyle getting “drunk” doesn’t mean she herself doesn’t have a problem.

    • nathania says:

      wow. I didn’t get manipulation from Kim at all. I got ‘I don’t like confrontation’ and then ‘get me the hell out of here’. It was sad. It was Kim that tried to leave, and Kyle that had her stay put, probably because Kyle led Kim to believe she was going to try to patch things up. And Adrienne believed that as well, and probably wanted to lend support. Kim didn’t have to dare Kyle to say it because Kyle said Kim was drunk the moment Kim walked into the party. She said it on camera, and she’s been hinting at her role as marytr/enabler for the whole season…it’s one she clearly relishes, for all the wrong reasons.

      Kyle, to me, is one of those people who is always pointing out the flaws of others so she won’t ever have to focus on herself. Someone like Kim she will practically cannibalize before it’s all over with. It’s very trite, and juvenile.

  18. Pantry Viewer says:

    A quick disjointed thought between working.

    At the beginning of this show, I now believe that Taylor thought Camille would be “top dog” of the show and wanted to be hanging onto her coattails, be big buds with her. Thus, that is why Taylor was whispering the gossip in Camille’s ear, wiggling up to her like a puppy.

    It became quickly obvious that Camille was a nut and would be shunned and not part of the main “popular group” of top dog girls. Taylor then changed course, attaching herself onto Kyle. She had to discredit Kim along the way to cover her tracks. She is also just the type to shit on the more vulnerable in the group to try and be one of the women who calls the shots.

    Sick.en.ing. What a weasle in so many ways. Her talk with Kim last night infuriated me and made me sick, as well as watching her weasle and waffle in her talk with Lisa and then in the group of girls “confronting” Kim.

    • vilzvet says:

      And weasel and waffle with Andy Cohen!

    • nathania says:

      great analysis, I hadn’t thought of it that way, but she strikes me as well as being reptilian and calculating rather than warm and embracing. It totally makes sense she would warm up to Camille and then boom when Camille’s marriage is over, no more brown-nosing because all Camille’s friends are sycophants and the connections she desired are all on Kelsey’s side. Kyle, being related by marriage to the Hiltons, is her next most desirable target, only because her insecurity makes her vulnerable to someone like Taylor. Lisa and Adrienne are far too shrewd for Taylor, they would see through her in a second and she knows it, so she needs to sidle up to Kyle, and to do that she needs to drive a wedge between Kyle and Kim because Kim sees through Taylor as well. What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive…

      I think she may have the most honest opening motto, when she says, “people say I have it all, but I want MORE.” That’s quite obvious.

      I think her whole obscene cotton candy eating stunt was a commercial for a new hubby. This woman is twisted.

  19. Amber...Real Wife says:

    We all know Kyle is quick tempered, but her violent nature was surprising as it was directed at her sister, while cameras were rolling. It started with a veiled threat of “you better get your finger out of my face”, to lunging across the limo and being restrained/blocked by Adrienne. Kim, meanwhile was seen fearfully cringing, recoiling and trying to avoid Kyles attack! This doesn’t seem like a first time occurrence. Using the excuse of Kim being an alcoholic, or whenever she made a scene when drunk, Kyle probably manhandled Kim, getting her frustrations out. Does she treat her children this way? She seems to be loving, but also no-nonsense and doesn’t tolerate fools, would she jump on a disrespectful kid like that? It’s not impossible, as she loses her cool and goes 0-60 in 10 seconds flat.

    • quincyil says:

      I bet “Big” Kathy was the kind of stage mom from hell who used force to control Kim. I think she broke Kim’s spirit. A mother can destroy a child. “Big” Kathy didn’t care about he men that she used or the children that she created to control the men.

      • kbinldo says:

        GMTA. Kim never learned how to do things for herself because her mother made her work all the damn time & did things for her. Kyle still has issues over that, hence the constant tension between the two.

      • missmi says:

        Big Kathy was a bit of a bully as a teen.

  20. error404 says:

    Kim’s ex husband is richer than God, so where did all of this “Kyle’s lowly just-the-local-realatour husband has to support her” stuff come from? I’ll have to take everyone’s word for it that Kyle said he sends a check, what with tivo and cc etc… but I heard something like “He supports you” which could be moral support/friendship and a typical jealous reaction from possessive Kyle.

    Kyle’s family life is just too perfect to be believed. She seems to be a total rageaholic with everyone else, but at home she’s mother Theresa with her husband and daughters? Hmm…. Oh wait, I forgot… Kyle only ripped Camille a new one complete with accusations of insanity because Kim forced her to. It’s all Kim’s fault. Can’t wait for the reunion where Kim, who like Tia in witch mt apparently possesses superpowers, and mind controls Kyle into blowing up at Camille again and calling her all sorts of horrible names.

    • error404 says:

      and Kyle’s assertion that “Kim is alone because she drives people away!” was a low blow. When Kyle is angry, all sense and decorum fly out the window.

      as we all know from Camille, Mauricio is just the local real-a-tour. Kim’s ex was super rich. So, was this just one more of big Kathy’s instructions that Kim followed more successfully? Better career, richer husband, etc…

    • BChick says:

      She never said that he sends a check….only supports her. I’m totally with you that could mean many things other than monetary support. I would think with the Hiltons money, it would be more likely that kind of support would come from them, if needed.

      I also find it ironic that Kyle’s revalation that (gasp) Kim is an alcoholic was wearing so much on her while her lovely niece has been arrested on more than one occasion for DUI and Drug possesion!! That family has many demons to deal with.

      usually just a lurker but this episode truly had me in tears and I felt the need to comment.

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        Actually I thin Kyle said “he supports you every month”, if i reember correctly. I wish Bravo would use captions in the scenes where people are screaming their heads off.

        • TLM says:

          LOL Bambi… I often wonder why they put captions on things that are easy for me to understand, and other scenes that I have to replay 5 times and still can’t figure out have no caption.

  21. TLM says:

    In this day and age when the problem of alcoholism and alcoholic behavior has been well documented and discussed (Intervention, Dr. Drew, and so many others) I am amazed at the number of people who took Kim’s side and did not pick up on her erratic behavior. Kim is the older sister but she looks far older than her years, and unhealthy. In the beginning I thought her very ruddy skin looked like that of an alcoholic.

    I can’t relate to people who say Kyle is a bully. I think Kyle has been a saint. She has put up with all Kim’s insanity for years and still been there to help her, to include her and try to introduce her to new friends (remember the beginning of the show?), and to be a caring aunt to her kids, and even to ask her husband to help Kim financially. She never divulged Kim’s alcoholism until pushed to the breaking point, only describing Kim’s issues in extremely generalized terms, until Kim actually accused Kyle of stealing her house. That would have done it for me. I am glad Kyle finally said she’s not helping Kim anymore. With the truth out, her financial help gone and her kids leaving, maybe Kim will be forced to finally go back to rehab.

    • error404 says:

      why do people seem to act like all alcoholics behave in exactly the same manner? Yes, I’ve know angry drunks who make everyone’s life a living hell. Big time self-medicaters. And I’ve know quiet drunks who keep to themselves. I’m not going to believe Kim is “insane” just because Kyle says she is. Says she’s insane while screaming like a mad woman and making a scene I might add. And with the casualness with which Kyle calls Camille insane to her face, it’s lost all impact. I’m also not going to believe she’s insane just because I’ve know drunks who really are insane either.

      • Kimberly says:

        Kim was minding her own business, having fun and not causing any problems. Kyle was putting Kim down before she even arrived at the party. It was Taylor that started this, but Kyle jumps to Taylor’s defense and gives her sister no support, not to mention everyone except Adrienne ganged up on her. I don’t care if Kim is an alcoholic, you don’t treat people this way and then expect that everything will be a bed of roses. Kyle should know this better than anyone.

    • Di says:

      TLM, I took Kim’s side. I lived with an alcoholic mother. I recognize Kim’s alcoholic behavior. With that said, Taylor attacked Kim last night because she saw her as someone she could dominate, and then Kyle jumped in because she was pissed that Kim seemed drunk.

      Kyle needs anger-management and Al-Anon at a minimum. I’m also not convinced that Kyle doesn’t have other problems. Dealing with an alcoholic does not give one an excuse to act like an animal. It is an extraordinarily difficult situation, no one deals with it perfectly, but I would have never, ever, ever, ever done that do my own pain-in-the-butt alcoholic mother for what’s it worth.

    • Shannon says:

      I have three brothers that are alcoholic and I would never treat them the way Kyle treats Kim. And, I’m sure I do a lot more for them then Kyle does for Kim. To me, Kyle is just a bitch and I will never be a fan.

    • Cheri says:

      I agree with you. I think Kyle reached her breaking point and that is why all that came out and I bet she really feels bad about what happens. Face it kyle is an enabler and the best thong for her to do is step back and let her sister face whatever comes to her as a result iof her drinking. They both need couseling, Kyle for all her anger she feels for sister and her mother too. Kim needs to deal with her drinking problem and her anger at having to work when she was young and her continued problem of seeing her self as a victim and refusal to address her problems. The only thing I fault Kyle with is being an enabler, she needs to deal with this and until she does this problem she has with her sister is not going away

      • sophie says:

        I have a sister who’s not only an alcoholic, she’s also diagnosed borderline personality disorder and has attempted suicide many times in the last few years. After a lifetime of walking on eggshells around her, of being screamed at, falsely accused, hit, chased, drug down flights of stairs by my hair, (I could go on and on) because of the personality disorder, and now with the drinking and suicide attempts…. I began to not only resent it, I began to develop that second skin to protect me from it. I am at the point where I feel…. hey, why doesn’t she just do it already and get it over with so we can all have our lives back. Unkind, yes. But at some point I have to either let it kill me too, or refuse to allow this toxicity to ruin/run my life.

        That said, I’ve never publicly humiliated her, although the same cannot be said for her towards me. I’ve never ‘outed’ her to anyone outside immediate family that she’s got these problems. Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, not one has a clue. God knows she’s made sure everyone she works with knows, and many customers of the store where she works have seen her in action, but that’s HER choice. I would never publicly call her out and announce to the world her problems. That’s HER responsibility.

        I understand Kyle’s frustration with Kim. But she went too far and may suffer a lifetime of consequence for it in her family…not worth it for a television show. If Kyle hadn’t been drinking TOO, perhaps she could have remained in a calm enough disposition to properly handle what transpired without shaming anyone.

      • floridagirl88 says:

        Well said.

    • nathania says:

      As far as I know no one except the sisters and a few others know what the back-story is behind the ‘stealing of the house’.

      Kim’s rumored ‘alcoholism’ was not for Kyle to divulge. I had my questions about Kim from the beginning because of her nervousness and seeming scattered all the time, but that is no crime. Kyle seems cutting, spiteful, and out to undermine her sister in just about every way possible. For someone dealing with a substance abuse problem, having an abusive relative who claims to ‘love’ you just adds to their problem.

      As to Kyle ‘divulging’ Kim’s alcoholism, if she did indeed share a truth, I can only say, so what? Being alcoholic is not a crime and it doesn’t make Kim guilty of the charges you listed. It’s possible that she is the way that you describes, but it’s also possible that she is not. She seems content to be left alone and raise her kids. She’s surprisingly probably the least pretentious ‘housewife’ of any of the series except DC.

      Kyle has some serious anger issues, like other people have mentioned. She needs to pull it together because she’s coming off like an erratic hothead. In fact, I have to think that Allison Dubois was probably right about her in terms of her behavior in high school. She probably peaked during those days and is using the Bravo show as a vehicle for creating the aura of ‘popularity’ that she had back then. Why else would a woman her age wear her hair like that, show up to a party in an 80’s disco dress, and climb into the back of a limo and act like the cast of Jersey shore. Something just does not add up. The problem with Kim I think is that she doesn’t have a spiteful bone in her body so she doesn’t know how to play these girl vs. girl power games that Kyle seems to delight in. I hope for her sake she really does get sober, because then she will see Kyle in a truer light, for what she really is.

    • Anne says:

      To the breaking-point on a TV show. Come on that is not sisterly love. It is ratings. I don’t care what goes on, but Kyle has been in Hollywood all her life. Her husband has been on that other Bravo Show a few times as well about realtors, so she knows the deal. Kyle chose to devulge a very private family problem and that is truly unforgiveable to disinterested people. We are not doctors, friends or anyone. We are the public who will base our opinions on little to no real information other than edited segments.

      Additionally, if you re-watch the limo scene Kim mentions Kyle’s drinking as well. Kyle was already near her and started to get even more irrate. Kyle didn’t want the something about Kyle’s use of whiskey getting out. Now, I don’t know if Kim was being spiteful, but that is why family secrets which have no benefit by coming out on a TV program shouldn’t.

  22. error404 says:

    Adrienne: So, now that s1 has tackled alcoholism, will s2 take on anorexia? How many scenes exactly did Bravo dedicate to Paul begging his wife to eat, like the way parents beg a finicky preschooler to eat. I can think of at least 3. None of them resulted in any food ever touching Adrienne’s lips.

  23. Real Bullsh!t says:

    #1 – 4 paragraphs devoted to “penniless” Kim? You think Kim is broke because Kyle said her husband gives Kim money every month? That retort was in response to Kim saying that Kyle stole her house. Remember the Palm Springs house at the beginning of the season? The subtitles read “Kyles house.” It wasn’t always Kyle’s house. Mauricio is in the real estate business. Think about it.

    #2 – Kim had a huge career back in the day. She gets residuals for the rest of her life.

    #3 – Kim has 4 kids. She has not raised those four children solely on child support checks.

    #4 – Kim was drinking at the party and may have liquored up prior – but she was not drunk. She got a little tongue tied, but she did not slur her words, did not stumble in those heels, and memory and observations were spot on during the assault.

    #5 – I have been right about Taylor all along.

    • error404 says:

      I’ve never seen Kim drink on screen. That doesn’t mean she wasn’t drunk, but at the parties it looks to me as if she is always drinking water, which most caterers serve in wine glasses. In the limo she looked to be drinking diet coke. And Martin offered to get her either seltzer or tonic water, I forget which, but I assumed he knew it was her drink of choice from them being out before.

      • 2Stupid says:

        It has been my experience that many alcoholics won’t drink in public. Will sneak off and do it privately. I have one friend that I swear I’ve never seen drink, but have seen him drunk many times. The type that will sneek off and drink a glass of stright vodka. It baffles the mind, and hard to reconcile when you NEVER see him drink!

        • girlygirlnyc says:

          Perhaps, sneak off to the bathroom for long periods of time while everyone is waiting for you at dinner?

          Never order a drink on screen, but require a ride home from a person you just met becuase you may have had “one too many” as Lisa put it.

        • cdnfillie58 says:

          I haven’t forgotten the dinner party where Kim disappeared for a noticeable length of time…she certainly wasn’t in the loo dolling herself up… 😛

    • buffywood says:

      #2 Assumes that her contract included residuals. From what I understand many child actor contracts back then did not include residuals, as they could be negotiate away for a larger “session fee”. Now there are various laws to protect the income of child talent, especially in NY where a there is a mandated percentage that is deposited directly into a trust fund by the hiring company so it never touches the hands of the agent or parent.

      • TLM says:

        Plus the fact you only get residuals if the work is shown again. Where exactly is Hello, Larry and Police Story airing? If they are, I don’t think it’s enough for her and her kids to live on. If you look at Kim’s body of work on IMDB, many of her show appearances were in one or two episodes only.

        • vilzvet says:

          Yes her work was years before the good money was to be made in residuals, like the “Friends” cast, “Seinfeld”, etc. These are the peeps making tons of money. There is no way she is getting huge checks for stuff in the ’70s, no way. Her child support from Davis is her income.

          • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

            Kim currently has three children who she may longer get child support for at ages 24, 20 and 19. Just got their ages from her bio. Sometimes child support ends at age 18.

            • vilzvet says:

              Oops, forgot that fact. Her youngest, the brunette one, is around 16 from a non-marriage. So I can see her child support drying up.

              • quincyil says:

                That is the problem the our Kelly Benisom, Countess and Kim Z will have soon.

              • Rabble Rouser says:

                I read somewhere that her child support from the kids she had with Gregg ended in 2009. But she still gets a large alimony for life- or until she gets married.

                • quincyil says:

                  If it ended because they were 18, that would mean she does have financial difficulties. I’m sure Gregg is paying for them to go to college. That is expensive, but a dad would want his children to be educated.

        • Anne says:

          Disney has always been better than the networks at paying residuals and having them placed into their contracts, that is how Annette Funicello continued to receive residuals from the Mickey Mouse Club which aired years before Kim ventured to Disney.

          Also, Nanny and the Professor is or was on Nick at Night. Additionally, if they were able to get foreign rights, then if it airs in Japan or China or Brazil she would still receive a residual.

          Finally, Kim’s ex-husband is Gregory Davis, Marvin Davis’s son a Forbe’s listed billionaire. No way she didn’t receive a great settlment from him. I know she receives alimony and child support. No bad.

  24. jen says:

    Thoughts on doorman- Kelsey bought this new apartment for his gf and not Camille so it’s entirely possible the doorman only knew Katy as Mrs.Grammar and thought that is who Kelsey’s wife was and in NYC doorman protect their famous/rich tenants against plp coming in so he I believe he could have easily thought Camille was lying and told her so if he thought Katy was Mrs Grammar and never knew her as anything different-
    Great blog, just had a different thought on that point!

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I’m beginning to wish I’d kept a database of facts about them all. I thought Kelsey bought/rented the new apartment recently — while the show has been airing. So the one Camille tried to enter would have been the same one she showed us on TV. But I could be wrong. I just remember that we had a link to photos of the new apt and I commented that it had those large windows like she admired in the apt she showed us.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      We have to keep real time and Bravo time seperate. The NYC apartment in the show/during the filming was the one Camille decorated. The bigger apartment came after filiming ended but while we are watching this season.

  25. LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

    I have just watched some clips from WWHL and Andy asked Adrienne if Kim said in the limo “YOU STOLE MY HOUSE” Adriennce said NO. But when I watched the clip of the limo fight, Kim does say “YOU STOLE MY HOUSE” Anyone?????

    • kbinldo says:

      That’s what I heard, although I think there’s something between “stole” & “house.”

    • Sha2000 says:

      I heard the same as you did.

      • lovesfall says:

        Yes, she said you stole my goddamn house.

        • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

          ok, so I’m going to go back to the WWHL clips, but I am sure Adrienne says Kim DID NOT say that. I don’t get it.

          • Sha2000 says:

            As someone suggested last night, watch w/cc. I will watch again w/it on; couldn’t understand some of what they said, but did hear the house comment loud & clear.

        • TLM says:

          Adrienne is calorically deprived and probably blanked out, lol. Kim said, “you stole my goddamned house,” although I had to listen several times to hear it.

          I am so sick of seeing scenes where Paul all but tries to shove food down Adrienne’s throat. If he wanted peace he would just not ask her any more. She’s an adult and she can see food in front of her. If she doesn’t want it, that’s her deal. Conversely, Adrienne’s harping on “Marky Mark, my wife… Marky Mark, my Wife” made me want to smack her. I am sick of watching these two find ways to irritate each other. Don’t they ever have conversations? Do they have nothing to talk about? Shut up already!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      it was her god damn house cause there was a bleep.

  26. Irish says:

    In my opinion Taylor makes Camille look like Shirley Temple. Taylor attacked Kim at this party, I don’t care how Taylor tries to spin it. If you look at the video preview of the reunion you see the way Taylor speaks to Kim, it’s really disgusting. Taylor speaks down to Kim in such a dismissive way, Taylor is one haughty witch. But the thing is that everything Kim has said to Taylor is right on. Kim is right if Taylor is so against violence then why threaten Kim. Taylor can say she would never have done anything to Kim but threats are verbal abuse and part of the cycle of violence.

  27. Irish says:


  28. error404 says:

    Basically, Kyle and Camille are both playing the same victim card. “fucked up addicts have ruined our lives” is their message. I’m sure that neither Kelsey nor Kim are any picnic to live with, but going on national tv to destroy the reputation of a beloved actor just to whine about how tough you have it is pretty self-serving and childish. Kyle and Camille are “frenimies” because they are very much alike.

  29. WSL says:

    How many of you have lived with a loved one that is a substance abuser ?
    If u have been the “ENABLER” you become just as “sick” as the user.
    If so, u know the many times you are scared to death, when your loved one is late, that they are in jail or dead in a ditch or have fallen down in a parking lot or other public place. U may have covered for ur drunk when they missed a family birthday or school event for a kid. U may have stayed awake many nights fearing for their death in a car accident or even at their own hand.
    U tolerate all this and hold it on your shoulders because u believe that your love & sacrifices r enough to get the drunk to stop. But it doesn’t. It gets worse.
    Fights and arguments don’t work. Finally out of total frustration u quit covering for the drunk and hope a public humiliation will cause the abuse to stop. The details of a public argument over $$ or houses are not the problem. The hurt, disappointment, lying,cheating,sometimes stealing,denying,and sometimes physical violence that can happen behind the scenes, is devastating.
    Like I said, b4 long U become ANGRY, tired, physically ill and as sick as the user and r called the enabler. When the user has some normal appearances, u still fear the monster may jump out at any moment. During these “normal” outings it is also easy to resent a fake appearance, that all is well, so displaced resentment and anger can be shown by the enabler who is angry the user is fooling those around, that the user is normal.
    This hell that the user & the enabler & enabler’s family live in won’t stop till the enabler stops dancing (out of love) with the user. The enabler must let go and be prepared to let the user hit rock bottom or even hit the streets or die. The user will not get sober until they r ready.
    If Kim is a user and Kyle is the enabler; I believe Kyle has decided to let Kim hit her own bottom. I think we should pray for them both.
    Al anon is the place to go while u hope the user will get sober.
    Many enables don’t know what to do when they let go of that all consuming job they lived as the enabler.
    The person who enabled the drunk becomes just as sick and needs just as much love, support and healing.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Good explanation! I thought last night when Kyle said she was finished, she really was. But we don’t know that she’s really let go. If she has, wouldn’t she be able to talk to her sister and not still be fighting? I am sure not an expert on this and find it enlightening to watch.

      • TLM says:

        I think Kyle needs to cut off contact with Kim for a while. I think that’s a good thing. In rehab they don’t allow contact with the people closest to you for a certain period because the addict needs to disconnect from everything and focus on themselves. But talking with Kyle is probably going to dissolve into fighting at this stage, because she quit rehab and probably nothing has changed.

    • MickeyMouth says:

      I make a lousy shrink but I can certainly see the pain in both of them. Kim just makes a better bambi than Kyle.

      • Sha2000 says:

        “If Kim is a user and Kyle is the enabler; I believe Kyle has decided to let Kim hit her own bottom.”

        That’s what I tried to say on the last blog; maybe by outting Kim in anger (right or wrong) Kyle thought for a moment “f it, let me embarrass her enough publicly to sober up”. A push to hit rock bottom if you will. A theory at least, but only they know the truth.

        • Sha2000 says:

          One last thought…maybe thats why the rest of the family did not attend the graduation? Think about it. They told Kim not Kyle; maybe they were concerned that Kim would be drunk on camera or knew that the stress between them (& I’m sure the other sister too off camera) it was coming to a head & wanted to avoid a situation on tv??? Why else did kyle supposedly “cry all week that they weren’t coming” according to Kim.

          Just a guess.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            That was in the back of my mind too – Kathy has let go of Kim and it is all on Kyle now. And I didn’t understand why Kim felt going to her niece’s graduation was having her sister’s back either.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I don’t believe for a second they didn’t go to the graduation because of a fear they were worried about Kim’s behavior when clearly they enable and defend Paris’.

            I think it’s much more to do with Little Kathy being just like Big Kathy-and not seeing past her own nose.

        • Debbie says:

          Let me simply say Sha2000, that I agree with your comments about letting Kim hit rock bottom and enabling her.
          I watched this episode from two points of view..alcoholic and enabler..I’ve dealt with addictions from both sides. I have a lot to say about this episode but cant find the right words yet.. I’ve typed a reply and deleted it.. I need to harness my thoughts and emotions. Remember that until we’ve lived in Kim/Kyle’s shoes we don’t know what their family dynamic is. Even though I’ve lived a similar situation, I don’t feel qualified to really comment as each situation is Entirely Different.
          Let me simply say Sha2000, that I agree with your comments about letting Kim hit rock bottom and enabling her.

    • Debbie says:

      That was right on the money in my opinion. Great blog Lynn and great posts Everyone!!

    • Debbie says:

      Ain’t that the sad truth..well said, WSL

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      You are a wise, wise woman. Spot on.

    • twoile says:

      @WSL…excellent assessment, sad but true. take care Jeanne

    • nathania says:

      I don’t think Kim and Kyle have lived together for years.

      Kyle is apparently in her right mind and there is enough help out there available to her to avail herself of coda and al anon. I don’t feel sorry for her because she is so hateful to Kim and has been from the beginning. I don’ think that is about enabling. Enabling is not about wanting the american public via a tv show to hate your sister and delight while you physically attack her and verbally destroy her (not to mention that self-same sister was trying to leave and would have left had you not insisted you stay so you could frame this shenanigan). This is about something far deeper, unresolved issues of achievement from childhood that need to be worked out in therapy. If Kim truly is alcoholic or addicted I hope Kyle stays away from her because it could be her life on the line and Kyle is nothing but a negative influence in her life. Kyle, on the other hand, seems to have a great life, and would do really well to avail herself of some gratitude, and dare I say it, a HOBBY.

  30. Ireland says:

    Where Taylor goes she leaves drama and fights in her path.

  31. buffywood says:

    Does last night’s show change anyone’s anticipation level of the reunion show? I know I don’t want to see Kim and Kyle fight. I don’t want Kim to appear like a mouse thrown into a tank full of snakes. There are some situations and relationships that just shouldn’t be exploited for “entertainment”. Kyle said her and her sister have never had a fight like this is all in their lives, why now? Bravo? I just don’t know but I can tell you I really don’t want to witness it. The whole situation breaks my heart. Maybe because it hit so close to home, I don’t know…

    • error404 says:

      did you see the clip of Kim confronting Taylor? As usual, Kim was lucid and made great points. As usual, Taylor was phony and fake and talked a lot of smack while never answering the questions put to her. I’m kinda looking forward to that.

      • buffywood says:

        I agree Kim was right on the money and lucid. She just appears to not have the confidence, mental fortitude, or what ever to stand her own ground. To me that makes it all the more sad because she is right but doens’t have the skill set to articulate it. Big strech here but it makes me think what it would be like to be Mohammad Ali or someone suffering from Parkinson’s. You have so much to say but just can’t formulate the words. I can’t image how that would feel.

        • dsc60 says:

          i agree with you completely. last night’s episode was disturbing to watch and i don’t look forward to a replay of the same at the reunion. i couldn’t even bring myself to watch the rerun last night… i watched up to the point of taylor’s b-day party, then switched the channel. i had an alcoholic brother myself, thank God he is 19 years sober now… but i would NEVER ever have humiliated him like kyle did kim IMHO. i realize every family dynamic is different, but it comes down to basic humanity and what kyle did to kim was the farthest thing from that.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I am not as excited about the reunion either. Kim is confronted once again about her drinking – so she has not gotten treatment since the show ended filming in July, 2010 (one week in rehab does not count).

      What I don’t get is why Bravo let KKB fly her freak flag on Scary Island but tiptoes around Kim?

  32. error404 says:

    I’m not a friend, neighbor or family member of any of these people. I watch a tv show.

    Kim Richards and Kelsey Grammer are beloved tv stars, adored by fans. They are also addicts who apparently do terrible things to their loved ones.

    Kyle and Camille have decided they are sick to death of putting up with it anymore. So they go on national tv with for the purpose of exposing a beloved celebrity as the monster they really are. That’s kinda sick IMHO.

    Kelsey is a crossdresser. Kim is insane. Kelsey is bisexual. Kim is fiscally and parentally irresponsible. Camille saved Kelsey. Kyle takes care of Kim. Blah blah blah.
    I’m a viewer, not your therapist.

    • Pantry Viewer says:

      No kidding. I certainly don’t feel compelled to feel sorry for Kyle or Camille for airing their dirty laundry, or dirty laundry they are making up, on a national television how. Oh, poor Kyle, my ass.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I’ve gone from “run, Camille, run” when we thought Kelsey was at fault, to “run Kelsey, run” when we saw Camille more clearly, and now have arrived at “run Kayte, run” because they may both be crazy! I hope Kayte IS watching the show and paying close attention to it all. Who needs that kind of crazy!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      It has been less entertaining but I think our use of the internet changes our perspective. Imagine all the viewers who just watch for entertainment, feel they are in real time with the show and don’t know any backstory – would that be more entertaining?

      • vilzvet says:

        Was I half-asleep at some point, because I swear I saw a clip of Camille trying to get her kids to bed “without big strong Kelsey” to help pick them off the floor? I guess that was another nice dig.

        • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

          You saw it correctly, she said something like ” Daddy isn’t here to pick you up”

  33. WSL says:

    Hi Kansas !
    In my opinion if u let go so the user can find their bottom, u remove your self so u can’t b manipulated.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Thanks! I was sort of arguing both versions with myself, but with no expertise I couldn’t see the answer.

      Your reply and something that happened yesterday has clarified something I need to personally do. It’s sure hard to see manipulation sometimes till you get slapped in the face with it!

      I’m still keeping your roses in my thoughts. 🙂

  34. Adgirl says:

    News report: All child stars, even Shirley Temple were fleeced by their parents.

    • kbinldo says:

      Yup, hence the Jackie Coogan laws. I think they need to be tightened up even more. I’m sick of parents using their kids as meal tickets, & not giving them time to be normal kids.

      • Adgirl says:

        The Coogan laws were in effect then! There are a million ways around it. Just ask Lindsay Lohan’s family.

      • error404 says:

        yeah, but still. I’d rather make a movie than work the fields until my hands bled. At least the stage moms pay lip service to education. Most 19th century kids could barely read.

        • kbinldo says:

          I sure would too, as well. What I meant was, I’m tired of parents getting to “manage” their child’s career (meaning, they become their own child’s employee & get a big check), making the kid work his/her ass off so that they (the parents) can sit back & live the life of Riley. When the kid turns 18, they have little/no social skills, don’t know how to handle rejection, don’t know how to do anything (the Lohans, the Jacksons, the Spears, the Richards)! Is it any wonder that so many of them become train wrecks once they become adults?

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Those Gosselin kids are getting screwed too.

      • dsc60 says:

        even with the coogan law, that only requires that 15% be put away in trust.

    • buffywood says:

      Absolutely! Let’s see… 100% of the money for YOU now or you can get residuals which may or may not pay your child to ensure he or she has some income in the future. Mommy said “Show me the money”.

      The Jackie Coogan law had so many loopholes it were pathetic, at least up to around 2000 or so.

    • Sam says:

      My son wasn’t.

      My husband and I never touched a dime of what he earned doing TV shows and movies — not one penny. We didn’t even make him pay for his own headshots.

      In my opinion, parents shouldn’t be taking money from their children — and that includes children who aren’t actors.

      • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

        Same here, Sam. My son did a few television commercials, and 15% had to be put automatically in a trust fund for him. We invested the rest. I paid for all headshots, transportation, etc.

        He was able to buy a nice truck at age 17, and still has some money invested. He did get some residuals, but it was not too much money. His commercials were “put in the vault” after a year or two, so he no longer get any money from them.

        • Sam says:

          Hey LavaLady, I’m glad to hear about your son! Sounds like we had similar experiences. (My kid used part of his money to get a car too.)

          • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

            He doesn’t even really know about the money that is invested. I don’t talk about it too often. When he is ready for a big investment, like a house or starting his own business, it will be there for him. First, he has to finish college, which my husband and I are paying for, just like we did with my daughter.

            • Sam says:

              Wow, we ARE a lot alike! My son doesn’t know exactly how much money he has invested either. (And really isn’t interested in knowing, since he knows he can’t tap into it yet.) We also paid for his college just like we did for his non-actor siblings, plus now we’re paying for him to go to culinary school.

              Eventually he wants to start his own restaurant, and at that point we’ll make the money available to him.

  35. quincyil says:

    I wish I could be a friend to Kim Richards. I think she needs a friend who will walk the hills with her and her dog. She needs a friend who can laugh at her sense of humor which I totally get.

    Supposedly, Kim was dating someone during this time. He is from the North East and he’s helping her with her career. We only get part of the story in these shows.

    Kyle needs to let Kim’s kids be the adults to help Kim Richards now. The relationship between the sisters is fractured and neither of them will be able to return to what they once had. There is a reason that people fall off the wagon. They stop holding on for dear life.

    Yes, I would like to be Kim Richard’s friend.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I think it would be good for her! You should invite her to visit and ride. She seems like a person who might actually take you up on an invitation.

    • error404 says:

      Kim said she’s not lonely, that she likes to be alone. I think this is just one of the “insane” things that gets Kyle so mad. Pack leader Kyle, everyone’s best friend. What kind of freak would prefer to be alone? That Kim is just insane, yeah, that’s the only answer.

      • Sha2000 says:

        I don’t believe she meant it when she said she “liked” to be alone; stronger people do, her I doubt it.

        • quincyil says:

          She likes her environment to be without stress. She has barbeques for her kids and their friends all of the time. She invited “Single Gary” over. How many meeting with Kyle were pleasant in this season? Even coming to a birthday party a few minutes late on the day you moved into a new home moving things in your own van because your lease was up.

          I have a feeling that the stress Kim feels comes from Kyle.

          • error404 says:

            Kyle has a lot of anxiety… hence the fear flying.

            Mr 404 said last night “her decor may be all Asian zen, but she still needs anger management classes” LOL

          • nathania says:

            I remember that episode and I thought it was hysterical the prank they played on single Gary,with Kim going off and pretending to breastfeed her daughter’s infant. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that that kind of cutting up is exactly the kind of fun you CAN’T have around oh so serious and secretly calculating housewives types. Kim is on the level and blunt, a manipulator would never have said to all four of them at once, ‘I don’t really enjoy your company” though all of them may have reservations about each other. It probably strains Kim to be around women like that and she probably has a lot more fun with her family, and with men who aren’t into the constant never-ending intra-group struggles for dominance. It wears me out just watching it, honestly.

        • Scorpiosue1102 says:

          I doubt her too.

  36. vilzvet says:

    Off topic but I’m officially sick of both the Campbell’s Soup (Tim Allen) and Progressive commercials. They are both sometimes on twice during the same commercial break. No, I will never open a can of soup, pour it over white rice and serve it to my kids as dinner. Thank you.

  37. Adgirl says:

    The limo scene where Kim is cringing and demands Kyle stay “over there”.

    1. Reenactment of fights between Kim and her mother. Kyle gets to be “Big Kathy”.

    2. Kim finds the cringing and fearfulness quite effectively ends the argument with her “winning” and the other party backing off or apologizing.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      Or Kyle actually hits or slaps her in which the fearful cringing is justified! I doubt the cringing would stop an attack if no one was there to intercede.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I found myself wondering which of Big Kathy’s traits each of them inherited. We all become our mothers to a certain extent, but not totally. What started me on this path was wondering if Kyle’s aggressiveness what her inheritance.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Its part of the game – I am a victim. They may both be physically violent but Kim knows how to play to the camera better than Kyle.

  38. coocoopuffs78 says:

    Another great one Lynn! I’d rather read your recaps than watch the actual show.

  39. WSL says:

    We are certainly thinking alike.
    When I herd the accusations between the sisters of “u r an alcoholic” & who drinks all day,I thought it was just words in anger.
    At the end when Kim’s rehab was mentioned,a huge light bulb went off and it became completely crystal clear going back to the trip to the game that this was all family alcoholic behavior & the cover up.
    I was a little up set w/myself,to have not seen this till it was a fact that Kim went to rehab.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Can you explain what part of the game trip was showing this behavior? I need to be educated. It’s been pointed out to me recently that I’m not all that perceptive about people (heck, I thought was very perceptive!) and I need to rectify this.

      • error404 says:

        lol re: perceptive. These things are all relative to whomever you’re being compared to. Compared to Bethenny, I’m lazy. Compared to Kim Z, I’m a workaholic.

  40. Amber...Real Wife says:

    It seems what the Richards Mother did best was instill emotional guilt in Kim and Kyle. Kathy Hilton, not so much. While the two little ones fight and bicker, about having each others backs, the older sister, feels no guilt and lives her life. Kyle tries to be the fixer, who is constantly annoyed. Kim the pleaser who is quickly overwhelmed. Then there is Kathy, who seemed to remove herself from the toxic relationship, that these two have. Hey, she’s got her own life and her own problems. She not only, missed the first college graduation in the family by going on vacation the same day, she wrote a check, made a call and didn’t care if Kyle was devastated that she wasn’t there. While Kim was there, Kyle, who cried for days, was upset that Kathy and family weren’t. When Kathy says NO!, Kim and Kyle have to accept it from her, but wont accept it from each other.

    • error404 says:

      I don’t know. I think she’s become a mediator/mother substitute. The producer who blogs said that there were endless 3 way phone calls between the sisters, with Kim and Kyle each giving their side of whatever the argument du jour was. Sounds like a living hell for Kathy IMHO, but I’m sure she plays her own role in all of the drama.
      Kim and Kyle had a big fight just before Taylor’s party, and I suspect it was over Kathy pulling a no show to Farah’s graduation.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        Agreed she would play mediator as the oldest. However, she refuses to stall her life, to please her sisters. She knew that Kyle wanted her to be at the graduation party, but chose to be a no show and go on vacation. Be it, pre-planned, outright refusal, or jealous that her daughters didn’t reach that milestone, she KNOWS how to say NO! And the younger sisters, no matter how upset, tearful or resentful have to accept it.

        • Sha2000 says:

          My theory is that maybe they wanted to avoid being filmed at the center of a Kim & Kyle tensions..a fight that was coming? The father I bet wanted to avoid being there. Kathy, Paris, Nicky all on tv, the dad rarely.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Kathy seems to have her own toxic mix going. Look at her kids.

  41. WSL says:

    vilzvet says:

    January 21, 2011 at 11:03 am

    The “I hope it’s a woman”
    Where did that come from.
    Do u know what it means ?

    • error404 says:

      Camille’s been bad mouthing her husband all over town, and this is not the first time she’s hinted that he might sleep with men. I’m sure if you asked, it will be insult #456 that Camille denies or says she regrets saying.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I was thinking that she meant it was better to get dumped because of another woman than to just get dumped.

        • vilzvet says:

          Ooh, never thought of it that way! So she would actually PREFER that there was someone else? I think it’s time to go rewatch it. You catch so many things on the tenth viewing, LOL.

        • Debbie says:

          That is what I took from it as well. Another question, if Kyle is so overwrought because Kim is an alchoholic then why does she speak so highly of her neice Paris? Hasn’t she had much more severe problems with drinking and drugs?

          • Adgirl says:

            It’s so much better to be the aunt instead of the sister when there is a loose cannon in the family.

        • twoile says:

          @WCW, I believe it (ref 2 woman) was instead of male…..alluding 2 several alligations having already been thrown out in the public forum.(via Cameltoe)

  42. Sam says:

    Someone here suggested that Kim can’t be broke because she gets residuals. But residual payments are much, much smaller than you think, the checks aren’t issued often, and your manager and your agent still get a part of that money. So I have no trouble believing that Kim receives very little income from her childhood acting (especially since I don’t think her work airs much; residuals are based on airings), and I think it’s a tragedy that her parents tapped so heavily into what she initially made.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Good point Sam & IMDb shows no work from 1990 to 2002.

      • vilzvet says:

        I remember Valerie Bertinelli “only” made 20K a week during the end of One Day at a Time, which ended 25 years ago. Compare that to the Friends cast getting one million per or the outrageous salary of today’s stars. So I do agree that residuals from ancient shows are not a ton. I bet actors in commercials get more! Since they are played over and over.

  43. Adgirl says:

    I think Kim quit re-hab because they make face your own manipulations and take responsibility for your actions.

    When my (ex) husband was in rehab they gave him the title “King Baby”. He was the one who used his saintly-ness to justify his using. It’s immaturity and egoism.

    • error404 says:

      Who knows. The kids checked her in because she needed it, or because that’s typical damage control once the cat’s let out of the bag? Considering how many times my ex-BIL went to rehab and finished, I sometimes consider “term limits” for users. lol

  44. Cusi77 says:

    Lynnnnnn! Thank you so much for giving us this great place to congregate!

    You are the BEST! LOVE YOU VERY MUCH! Te quiero!

  45. Kukulet says:

    Great blog, Lynn!

    I don’t believe that Kim Richards “completely” supported her family during her acting years. Contributed, yes-completely supported, no. Kyle mentioned on a an earlier episode that Kim received the bulk of her earnings the day she turned 18 and immediately bought a new Porsche. I also think Kim shows classic signs of alcoholism-I grew up with an alcoholic mother-and I understand some of Kyle’s frustration if that is the case. It’s very difficult to deal with an alcoholic day in and day out over a period of many years-it wears you down.

    That said, Kyle shouldn’t have jumped into the argument the way she did without hearing both sides, because Taylor was full of bullshit. Denying that she said that Camille must have felt “inferior” – Taylor kept insisting that she said “invisible” and that Kim was baiting her, when the archival footage showed otherwise. Kim didn’t “bait” her at LAX, and Taylor engineered the second half of the Camille/Kyle drama.

    And who the heck starts a fight at their own birthday party? Taylor must have realized that Kim had been drinking and was in no shape for a confrontation, but charged ahead anyway. Taylor’s a manipulative, conniving witch who needs to either leave her husband or stop bitching about him and enjoy the lifestyle she so clearly married him for.

    No real comment on Camille and Kelsey. They are both equally responsible for their marriage breaking up, it seems.

    Cedric is 37? Wow. I thought he was in his late 20’s. Jeez, dude, time to get your own life. Maybe he had the grim childhood, maybe he didn’t-but at that age, he really has no excuse for not turning his energies towards being a survivor instead of a victim-and sponging off good hearted people isn’t acceptable at any age.

    I like Lisa and Adrienne. I did think Adrienne seemed rather forced in her attempts to console Kim and Kyle and smooth things down. And I love hearing her and her husband bicker. They’re funny.

    Kim and Kyle need therapy. I like Kyle, have little patience with Kim, but I hope they manage to work through their issues and find happiness in their sisterhood. And if Kim is getting $20,000 a month in alimony, what the hell is she complaining about money for?

    • cdnfillie58 says:

      I hear ya :>

    • nathania says:

      Re: Cedric

      This man is gorgeous, his face is not what one would call ‘forgettable’. So I have to ask, why is there no information out there about him?

      Someone has to know something. I am half expecting some american gothic type couple from somewhere like indiana to step forward with his birth certificate and claim him as their own.

      I would think that somewhere on the internet there is more information about just how true his story is. He seems to have cleaned up very well. I am not saying it is not possible that his story is true, but it is equally likely that someone with his background might have ended up in jail or in an insane asylum, if they’d survived at all.

  46. cdnfillie58 says:

    Kim dodging behind Adrienne when Kyle confronted her…kinda reminded me of my childhood fights with my 9 other siblings, and dodging behind anything or anyone I could to avoid gettting the crap kicked out of me, usually after I instigated or “poked the sleeping bear”, in my day that’s how we amused ourselves. 😛
    I’m not saying Kyle would have been physical with her, because I don’t think she was, it just looked to me like a drugged/liquored up Kim acting like an 8 year old “child star” thinking she was protected from bad Kyle by dodging behind Adrienne. IMO

    • error404 says:

      Please. Kyle is Nene Leeks with better elocution.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Poke the sleeping bear – perfect. Kyle came into the limo soft voiced. Kim’s don’t get any closer was classic baiting/hapless victim and the dodging behind (something/someone) Andrienne was what you did when you got called on baiting. Another part of Kim’s problem is her immaturity. She loves to live in her past too. I am not putting Kim down – she has real serious issues and denying them does not make them go away.

      • Di says:

        That’s one way to look at it Windy. Here’s how I saw it– Kim was trying to get away from Kyle, by leaving the party and getting in the limo. Kyle wouldn’t let her limo leave and followed her to confront her again. Kyle involved the manager and doorman to have her stopped, but why? Kim wasn’t driving drunk; Kyle was just pissed and wasn’t done letting her have it yet (because in my opinion she’s an angry control freak in addition to being a resentful enabler).

        When someone leaves to get space, you should let them go, not falsely imprison, and then assault and attempt to batter them. Kyle needs to learn to be responsible for her OWN actions, not Kim’s. Kyle doesn’t even have control of her OWN self and yet she’s trying to control an alcoholic. Good luck with that!

        • Di says:

          Just to be clear, when I said “you” in my second paragraph I should have said Kyle. I don’t want anyone thinking I was talking about you Windy since I began the first part of my post to you.

          I can see how upsetting the situation would be for Kyle, but it doesn’t give her the right to act that way. She is very aggressive when she argues, and sadly last night she crossed over into criminal conduct.

        • Cheri says:

          Maybe sent didn’t want her leaving because she knew/feared what Kim might do left on her own in that condition and yes I think she was drunk. When you’ve lived with a drinker you can tell if they’ve been drinking just by looking at them. I could always tell just by looking at my ex if he had been drinking. I bet you money that the reason Kyle was upset with Kim for being late was because she knew exactly what condition she was going to be in when she got there from years of experience with her kim’s a drunk simple as that and that I’d how drunks are

  47. missmi says:

    Thanks Lynn! Great blog. I agree totally about Taylor and the doorman issue and I seriously think that I saw that on a tv show or a movie. Woman shows up and doorman inadvertantly lets the cat out of the bag because its not who he has been seeing (lifetime movie anyone?). But Im starting to wonder if Camille was letting Kelsey believe that she was’nt discussing this arrangement on the show. If he told her he wanted a divorce why would he pretend in the car that they were fine. Almost like the two of them agreed to play the part for the show and then an announcement after. Much like the Salahi’s, watching a housewife attend an important function is part of the “glam”. Im also skeptical of some of Kims claims, she has’nt acted in a long, long time. Enough time has gone by to find a new career. Kyle worked as well, so it doesnt jive that Kim is buying Kyle a new car. Kyle would have gotten residuals from LH on the P. Kyle though, needs to get over that NYC thing and I think she browbeats and belittles Kim to the point of submission.

    Lynn, I could not agree more that what Kyle said about Kim on national tv was horrendous. She should be ashamed of herself and she needs to kick Taylor to the curb to prove her loyalty. Taylor has been the catalyst to all of Kyles misery on the show.

  48. Eve says:

    As strange as it may sound….I think that Kyle made the nasty remark to Camille. Kim heard it and has been pressured to lie for Kyle. She has constantly been warned by Kyle about watching her back and I think there is an underlying threat to Kim. Kyle has been longing to tell the world about her sister’s alchohol issues for a few reasons:
    She thinks it garners her sympathy; She thinks that in the end if Kim can’t remember what Kyle said it won’t matter because she has the world believing she is crazy; And she thinks that it justifies her aggressive mean behavior.

    I think Kyle made the comment. As much as I don’t like Camille I believe she was telling the truth.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Or Kim simply blacked out – alcoholics can loose chucks of time. Kim may have been zoning out and didn’t really listen to the initial Vegas conversation. These are things Kim can not admit without outing herself.

    • Constance says:

      I agree Kyle probably did say that to Camille and Kim wouldn’t lie for Kyle..it’s clear Kyle doesn’t think before she speaks.

      I’m also on the fence about Kim being an alcoholic….Kyle’s say so doesn’t convince me. Kim was not remotely drunk in last nights episode.

      And all this crap about having her back?? Are you kidding..Kyle’s had Kim’s back alright..look for the knife.

      • nathania says:

        that’s the whole danger of acting like Kyle did on the finale.

        Whatever credibility you may have had goes right out the window, and then people start looking backwards and questioning your every move.

  49. RubyNewbie says:

    I for one feel for Kim. Being a former child star can be a harrowing experience. Kids are pretty much forced to support the family, their educations are neglected, and they are exposed to way to much. Abuse (both emotional and sexual) often comes with the territory. Kim probably has reason to be a nervous wreck. Granted, she probably could be handling the after effects better, but still. Of course you’d be bitter if your Mom was your pimp, your money was not really your own, your siblings resented your success and were both forced to go with dear Mom’s Plan B, which was marry money and get knocked up. Doesn’t Kyle’s situation remind you of Beyonce’s little sister and Britney’s little sister: pregnancy as an exit strategy? All that has caused a lot of resentment. Kim was golden back in the day, not so much now. Kyle never matched Kim’s success then, but has a stable life of privilege now. It’s a weird dynamic, no wonder Kathy stayed away.

    I was as distracted by Camille’s strange pulled yet dented skin around her eyes as I was by Taylor’s inner tube lips. Taylor is clearly damaged goods and needs to go inside and reflect rather than being poison to all she encounters.

    Cedric isn’t the only freeloading guest among the jet set (remember OJ and Kato). He probably thought he could be Lisa’s accessory indefinitely. I can’t decide if Lisa is really kind or a sucker.

    • Adgirl says:

      Well, we don’t know anything about Lisa’s upbringing so it will be interesting to learn if she a “rescue” complex.

  50. lillybee says:

    Does anyone else think that Adrienne had some work done between the end of the season and WWHL? She looked different.

  51. Adgirl says:

    Who else thinks this was one of the most depressing finales of RH?

    • vilzvet says:

      I sure do. One thing NJ never was is sad, or NY for that matter. Certainly not OC. Not sure how much further these shows can go.

      • error404 says:

        well, NJ is “sad” because those women are just pathetic.

        BH was sad because after all of the manufactured drama of the other shows, it was shocking to see real life problems. Sibling rivalry, divorce and adultery, substance abuse, even the token gay accessory had a Dickensian story to tell.. who could get wound up over “who brought the book to the salon, Dina or Caroline?” after that.

    • m293131 says:

      I thought this was the most depressing finale of RH. I felt so badly for Kim. We all know Kim is an alcoholic but I would think that Kyle would be more compassionate with her. The way she treats Kim is terrible and I could not believe that way the woman all ganged up against her especially her sister.

  52. Adgirl says:

    “….overly-generous Vanderpumps ”

    Ken Todd is married to Lisa Vanderpump. I don’t think Ken likes being called Mr Vanderpump. That’s her father’s name.

    • vilzvet says:

      Hey, that was funny on WWHL when Andy revealed that when you call Adrienne and Paul’s house they answer “Maloof residence”! Adrienne claims it only happens half of the time, hmmm…..

  53. Adgirl says:

    Camille = Loreena Bobbit

    “In my heart I believe it’s a woman” Camille figuratively castrating Kelsey.

    • nathania says:

      what’s funny to me is that every time kelsey has been on camera he is so stiff that when he smiles it’s like his face is about to crack in half. you can tell he despises Camille beyond all reason and that if he could get away with it, she would take a vacation alone and never manage to be heard from again. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen such a display of acting chops from anyone as when Kelsey is forced to be around Camille on camera and smiles and manages not to kill her with his bare hands.

  54. BostonGirl says:

    My father was an alcoholic. We would never in a million years treat him the way Kyle treats Kim. It’s unthinkable. She critizes and demeans everything Kim does and literly goes after her every chance she gets. If she holds so much resentment then she should stay away from Kim and why would she go on this show and deliberately make her sister look so bad? Some of you seem to think if a person has a weakness or flaw, it’s ok to abuse them? Kyle is a time bomb, and maybe she has a reason to be angry at Kim but it does not give her the right to attack her sister. If anything Kim is the kindest person on the show, all of the things she’s been accused of are speculation, we don’t even know the situation and it wouldn’t make anything Kyle has done ok. Camile is a sad soul, Kyle is a mean and vengeful one. She’s even starting to make Jill look good. At least Jill went up against a strong and confident person (who I like a lot) but Kyle is kicking a troubled and vulnerable person who is her actual family. Mean girl doesn’t even do her justice. She is of course beautiful and has a handsome husband and pretty kids but it doesn’t make the ugly inside ok.

      • Jacqueline A says:

        Wow! The fight was very emotional. To me, Kyle is crazy… totally BSC. I have been on Kyle’s side all season with Camille vs Kyle but she is a terrible person. I don’t think she bullied Camille but she did totally try to destroy her own sister. What does that say about Kyle’s character? I don’t care if Kim is an alcoholic (which is horrible to declare to everyone on national tv for everyone to know). Who talks the way Kyle talks. She is absolutely vile and if I were Kim I would never speak to her again. She attacked Kim and was attempting to hit her. If she is willing to do all of this in front of cameras and millions of people can you imagine what she says in private.

    • Rae says:

      Whoa. I never said it was okay to abuse anyone, regardless of their flaws.

      While I applaud you for treating your father with kindness and gentleness, my point was that alcoholism IS hard to deal with and it DOES wear you down emotionally. What I said was that if Kim is an alcoholic-and there have been signs that she is throughout this season-I can understand SOME of Kyle’s frustration. Not ALL of it.

      • Nancy says:

        If Kim really is an alcoholic WHY in God’s name would Kyle think it would be a good idea for Kim to go on a reality show?

  55. Butters'Mom says:

    Adgirl good call. I couldn’t have put it better and she continues to do so.

  56. WindyCityWondering says:

    I think the reunion maybe more of the same depressing, polite deferral, darting eyes, nasty asides we have been treated to all season. We will see the same chain reaction we witnessed over and over again. Camille and Kyle, Taylor and Kim. Kim and Kyle. Lisa wanting closure and Adrienne refusing to put a dog in this fight.

  57. shamrockblonde says:

    whew! that was a whole lot of reading! – but worth it – and I have to say – I am in agreement with almost everything that Error404 has to say –

    thanks again for the recap, Lynn –

  58. WindyCityWondering says:

    Alright – I am going to claim Adrienne’s shoes and Snowball’s escape as the best moments of the finale. And I am going to wish that next season we will see less of the one shoulder, flower embellished dresses too.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Oh and no more psychics too!

      • error404 says:

        What? You don’r carry around locks of your dead parents’ hair in a plastic baggie? How odd. Well, after having had 3 huge fights with a co-star who’s divorcing, if the psychic would tell you you’re in conflict with another woman, I doubt you’d be open minded enough to realize she was talking about your sister, not the woman you have a big fight with every time you see her. Just like we knew Allison was talking about Kyle when she picked up on vibes that someone in the room had a husband that was cheating on her. Some of us just have a special sense for these things. 😛

    • AZ Girl says:

      Loved those shoes!!!! Loved the dog. Glad it made its escape from Crazy Taylor.

    • floridagirl88 says:

      How cool were those shoes?

  59. boston02127 says:

    Classy Camille–
    Warning NSFW—-Warning


    • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

      So I see Camille attended NYU, previously I read she attended Montclair State in NJ, and also a college/university in CA. Did she manage to graduate from any of these?

  60. Kansas Girl says:

    Am I crazy for finding Kyle’s reaction to Farrah’s graduation way over the top dramatic? She even had to keep reminding herself that it was about Farrah and not herself. My own mother was so dramatic that she sobbed when we brought home report cards with straight As, but she was not that distraught when we graduated from college. Maybe Kyle’s reaction was in the normal range, but it seemed too much to me.

    • boston02127 says:

      About the graduation….I wonder why, when Kathy Hilton called to say her family couldn’t make the graduation didn’t she call Kyle direct? When Kyle was working out in the park with Farrah, it was Kim who called to tell Kyle the news.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Knowing Kyle was sad she never went to college and IIRC Farrah was the first to graduate from her family it was a big deal. Kyle really had a hard time keeping it together.

    • TLM says:

      I thought it was touching. She never went to college herself and may have feared her daughter wouldn’t get to college since she was so young when she had her. I thought she was just a very proud Mom.

  61. LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

    Who was the blonde dressed in black with the french twist who was described as Kim’s best friend? I was a little wary of her. Thought maybe she was Kim’s drinking buddy?

  62. Stop and Go says:

    Come on Lynn, I usually like your blog for being fair and non biased, but I think you’re beginning to get sucked into the drama too, and lately you’re grasping for straws in some places.

    Does anyone believe Camille begged Kelsey not to leave her? And we’re not supposed to believe that because she made “hurtful” comments about Kelsey? Considering, what happened, I think she’s taken the high road for the most part, and her comments against him have been few and far in between. In fact, it’s suprising she hasn’t said more. A joke or two about him possibly cross-dressing or a discussion of their sex life is hardly “hurtful” compared to what he’s putting her through.

    And about the doorman, give me a break. Like so many people have mentioned, this sort of thing has happened before with men and their mistresses posing as their wives, and the resulting snafu that happens when the real wife shows up. Have you been to every high end building? Have you met every doorman? Have you been to that building in question? I don’t know how you make such a broad statement about every doorman. It may not be professional behavior, but I’m sure you’ve had experiences with people of all fields at some point in your life, where they did not act professional and this is no different. You make it sound like doormen are such flawless perfect people, and it’s anyone has an altercation with them it cannot be possible be their faults 😡

    And how is Kelsey’s reputation important to him? If it was, he would have divorced Camille first at the very least before getting together with anyone else. You want to talk about “cocky”, I don’t believe there’s ever been a more blatantly open case of a high profile celebrity affair in recent times. Most other celebrity affairs are more discreet or apologetic when caught, but Kelsey has been quite open and unapologetic in the way he’s been handling this.

    And calling him an “evil genius” sounds way too dramatic and unrealistic and maybe even insulting to Kelsey to think even he would play such a childish game! lol First off, even if that was the plan it obviously didn’t work. The public may have turned against Camille initially, but in recent weeks, Kelsey’s reputation has taken a much harder hit, and Camille has gained more sympathy. If he truly wanted to protect his reputation, while having an affair, he wouldn’t have even asked her to do this show in the first place.

    And even before the latest episodes with him, people didn’t seem to buy the whole so called “she deserved to be cheated on” motif in the first place. I think most people can realize that no one deserves to be cheated on especially a woman they barely know from television who is featured for less than an hour a week, and who was going through emotional problems that would make her say snarky things that she may not have normally done. Surely, the public is more open minded and intelligent than that right? People can criticize Camille for the comments she made in her interviews, but bottom-line it seems like most people know that nobody deserves this.

    And how did Camille make it sound like she had a choice? Unless I missed something, it made it sound like she didn’t have a choice.

    • Shannon says:

      This is how I see it. This is Lynn’s blog so she can write what she wants. I don’t agree with everything she writes, but I just skip over it. It’s not my business to complain to her about how she sees things. It’s her blog.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      All your opinions are valid and you can post them here. There is no reason to challenge the person who writes this blog – many long time posters’ opinions are different than Lynn’s and we all try to respect each other’s view.

      • Di says:

        I’m always impressed of what a good flow of different opinions we get here without posters needing to attack each other. It’s so different from so many other sites. This is the only blog I comment on because of it, but I mostly just enjoy reading others’ posts–except for today, I can’t stop posting on the topics from this finale.

        • quincyil says:

          Have fun, Di. I love reading your posts and the posts of others here. There will always by naysayers, but they can’t stop us from enjoying life.

    • twoile says:

      U R entitled 2 ur opinion, & so r we, Lynn gives of her time 2 produce this blog & we r grateful.=)

  63. AZ Girl says:

    Kinda OT
    This is my theory on Kyle’s comment “my husband sends you a check every month” and Kim’s comment “You stole my house”.

    The Palm Springs home that belong to Big Kathy was probably left to all three daughters with equal interest in the home. We don’t know if the mortgage is paid for, and if so, the costs to keeping a second home is expensive.

    Little Kathy probably would never use the house and had her interest bought out.

    Lets say that Kim needed cash and wanted to get her equity out of the home and Kyle/Mauricio bought her out. If it was within the last three years the value of the home depreciated about 30 percent. This would be a smoking deal for Kyle and Mauricio.

    So Mauricio bought out Kim when the market’s was down, signed a Promissory Note, and is now making monthly payments to Kim, and Kim got screwed. Kim probably realizes this and there is the “you stole my house” comment.

    I have seen this happen a LOT the last few years. Deceased parents would leave their home to their children. Struggling economy and people are out of work. You can’t sell the home because you can’t get a good price. So one family member buy’s out all the others on a down market is going to make a killing later. Everyone is resentful.

    Just a thought

  64. boston02127 says:

    When Kim & Kyle were fighting in the limo, I wonder what would of happened if Kyle wasn’t stopped after she lunged over to Kim. I wonder if they get in real fist fights?
    I wonder if Kyle gets like that at home?

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Without Adrienne being there, I have no doubt that it was going to be physically ugly very quickly. It appears that Kyle did make contact, right before Adrienne became more active in keeping them separated.

      I don’t know about home, but it is rather obvious that Kyle has anger issues that she cannot control in some situations.

      The look in her eyes at certain times last night was downright malevolent.

      • Adgirl says:

        I know! She gets a glint in her eye right before she screams.
        Like my cat’s pupils get huge right before she pounces.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Regardless of what Kyle actually would have done, but IMO I think she would have gotten psychical with Kim; it was clear that Kim behaved in a manner that was displayed that she fearful which is probably why she didn’t want Kyle getting to close to her.
        It also makes me think about her comment about expecting Kyle to fly across the table at The Last Supper.

        I heard big Kathy was heavy handed with both children and husbands.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      Nah…she’s probably on her best behaviour at home, where there are no cameras present! She just acts this way for TV! LOL

      I have the same thoughts.

  65. JKW says:

    This won’t be real popular but here goes. Kim was a child star. She is now an adult, has been married and has kids. Yes, your childhood does influence your behavior and thinking…but at some point (as a grown up ) you need to take some responsibility for your actions and decide that you will be adult. No reason you can’t learn to put on make up (which was a ridiculous example ), be independent, find a job, make some friends or do something useful. Kim seems to use this excuse for everything wrong in her life. Yes, things were unfair as a child but she is an adult and it’s her choice how she is perceived and what kind of adult she chooses to be. As for Kyle, she has a short temper and can be unreasonable. I do think after a while the resentment of taking care of your adult sister would get to you.
    Kyle seems to say whatever comes into her head and I think that’s what happened. Also Taylor was confrontational rather than trying to smooth things over. She is a snake. However, Lisa did tell her that this might be a good time to speak to her. Whether she thought things would go well or not…the party was not the right time to do this. It did look like they were ganging up on Kim.

    • error404 says:

      Kim was no Shirley Temple. She was a sort of odd-ball tom-boy/hippie chick type who got a lot of character parts playing slightly off-beat characters. People can often be very oppressive in their gender assignment roles, and Kyle is totally a girl’s girl girly-girl type. It’s not hard to see why Kim may have grown up with some resentments. Kyle puts her down on a daily basis, and yes, if I went to lunch with a bunch of bitches who somehow feel it’s socially acceptable to tell me my make-up is all wrong, I’d start getting a mixture of resentment and insecurity too. Especially since Kim is the only cast member who doesn’t look like a whore. Kim always looks nice, but it was even sadder to see her make the effort to fit in and get all glammed up for the party, only to have her sister’s girl gang of she-bullies corner her and go in for the kill. She was right to be suspicious of this group, and every time she makes an effort to fit in, they just eat her alive for sport.

      • JKW says:

        My point is that Kim bring up the child star thing every time things go wrong. She is not a child now, she is a grown up and needs to let it go. It is now her decision whether she continues to be resentful or gets on with her life. If I was insecure and shy..as Kim is…I wouldn’t be on a freaking reality show. She knows she has no social skills so why go on a show where you are forced to interact with others ? And people try to start confrontations when you know you can’t handle it ? Get some therapy if needed and get on with your life.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Some child stars lives end badly because they never stopped the party and grew up. Kim is immature, a substance abuser, lives in her past and has no idea what her behavior is doing to her children.

        • HD says:

          I am sure this is very hard for people that have been raised in dysfunction or the Hollyweird industry. Kim is not the exception to the rule. There seems to be a lot of child stars that fall into a lot of hard times as adults. You don’t even have to be in Hollywood for this to happen. It is much harder than saying, “get over it and grow up.” Oh how I wish it was that simple. Some issues run deeper than we will ever know and all we see is the surface and that is why it is easy to say, “get over it and get on with your life.” If it was that simple life in this world as we know it for so many people, not just child stars, we would so simple. However life is complicated and when the seeds of dysfunction have been planted, Kim is simply the fruit. In order to deal with the fruit we have to deal with the root and that often times is difficult to face which is why you drink yourself into a stupor or snort coke or fall into serious depression.

      • Constance says:

        Well said

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        You know- reading your post it occurred to me – that whole party scene kind of reminds me of one of the final scene’s in the movie Carrie.

        Carrie gets all dressed up for the party thinking she is finally being accepted- all the while hearing her mother’s voice- “They’re all going to laugh at you” echoing in her head. Then blamo- she gets doused with a bucket of pigs blood.

        And they wondered why complete and utter chaos pursued….

      • twoile says:


    • TLM says:


      That photo of Kim in the limo demands too much of my attention. Her accent grave and accent ague eyebrows are fighting each other, and the jewelry she took from the prop table of the set of Oklahoma! is making me dizzy. I keep wondering if that choker hurts, and also, how come the bracelet is turned around to face the camera, instead of us seeing the back of the cuff? And why is she wearing a choker with a one-shouldered dress? And the choker and bracelet are too matchy-matchy. Did I mention her fancy makeup and hair look the same as every other scene where she has makeup on?

      I wish Adrienne would return her dress, shoes, tinsel hair and makeup to RuPaul.

  66. DarkSonnet says:

    There is something somewhat puzzling to me that just keeps running through my head today.

    When Kim made her entrance to the BD party, Kyle commented: “She’s acting drunk”

    She didn’t say “She’s been drinking”, or “She’s drunk/smashed/hammered”, or any similar variation. I find this to be odd. “Acting drunk”??

    Kim obviously was exhibiting some rather strange behavior on her entrance when she was speaking to the group that included Martin. My first impression was more along the line of some sort of chemical influence.

    I’m not sure that Kim’s actions during and after she left the party were something that I would place in the drunk category. She was able to remember things accurately and her communications were relatively clear. Despite wearing heels, her walking ability never seemed impaired. Obviously she was upset, but I wasn’t getting the impression that she was drunk.. I do feel that there is a problem and it could very well be alcohol. I’m just not convinced that last night was an example of her being drunk.

    I also found it odd that the limo was “out and about”, driving around during the first part of the limo episode. Why? Was the reason to prevent Kyle (or anyone else) from being able to enter the limo until “somebody” deemed it to be the right time? Was the time used to let Kyle reach a fever pitch while she wondered what was transpiring, (out of her control) in the limo?

    Kyle’s first communication(s) were “What are you doing?” – “What’s going on?”. Does Kim carry knowledge that Kyle would not like revealed? Was Kyle concerned that maybe she had pushed Kim too far with her lack of support and aggressive/accusatory behavior at the party?

    Hmmm… Something just seemed off about that part of the interactions between the sisters.

    • error404 says:

      Even if Kyle picked up on tell tale signs that Kim was “enhanced” it still doesn’t explain why she felt the need to tell Lisa, and hence all of America, that her sister she loves so much was “enhanced”. But Kyle always does this. Yes, perhaps it comes from years of concern and worry “where is she she? Is she using? Will she make a scene?” etc… but that understandable inner turmoil does nothing to explain why at every party they filmed, Kyle feels the need to go around telling everyone that Kim is acting “weird” with a strange glimmer in her eye, like she’s exposing the faults of her worst enemy. It’s always “look look, she’s late again. Now she’s in the bathroom. Poor me, the burden of having a sister that shows up late and then uses the bathroom. I have a Jesus complex you know.”

      As for the limo: we’ve seen Kiki do this to Bethenny a hundred times. “what are you doing? Why are you acting like this?” etc… It’s stall tactic to throw focus off yourself and your actions and make the other person somehow seem strange.

      • DarkSonnet says:

        Yes, but Kiki is a blooming idiot, Kyle is not.

        (Sorry – I just like to type that Kiki is an idiot)

      • babelony says:

        Kiki is the first thing I thought of as Kyle kept saying “what are you doing? what are you doing?” I like your explanation, as I’ve never been able to figure out why either would ask that.

        I agree with your posts about this episode. I’ve never felt the Kyle love, she’s reactionary and explosive and has treated and allowed others to treat Kim like shit.

    • JKW says:

      Alcoholics are used to drinking and don’t always show signs of being drunk. They can handle more alcohol than other people. There are many that function in life and hold down jobs and can act normal around people. Usually the people closest to them recognize the signs. They live with them and see the consequences.

      • Constance says:

        How do you know Kim is an alcoholic? I hope you’re not basing your statements on Kyle’s say so

        • JKW says:

          Would you think her family would put her into rehab if there wasn’t some kind of problem ? I never said Kim was an alcoholic. It was making a statement that you can’t always tell by a persons behavior if they are an alcoholic or even abuse drugs. Many can function in society which would explain why she doesn’t look like she was drinking.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Enhanced is a good way to put it – Kyle knows the signs (we don’t) and the behavior that typically follows enhancement (we don’t). Kim came loaded for bear with her theatrical entrance and Kyle telling Lisa was likely to put her on alert that help may be in order. They don’t gang up on Kim and Kim takes their concern as a threat. They know better what is going on with Kim eratic behavior and likely are trying to shield her/protect her from making a complete fool out of herself.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I feel like we watched two completely different shows.

        Taylor confronted Kim-and not in a well meaning way.

        On lookers see them in a heated discussion- and off the bat Kyle decides it’s Kim’s fault.

        Taylor drops Kyle’s name-and like she was beckoning Bloody Mary-she appears.

        Kim tries to leave- and they prevent her. It was like chasing Danielle around in the country club and blocking the car from leaving.

        Why? What would be accomplished after all that.

        • error404 says:

          Yeah, all of that “concern” that Taylor, Lisa and Kyle showed for Kim at the party must have ended up on the cutting room floor by the hands of Bravo’s infamous evil editing guy! lol

  67. boston02127 says:

    How much taking care of did/does Kim require? Kyle acts like she shuffles her around in a wheelchair. Didn’t Kim raise a few kids? Work? Own a home? Drive?
    I understand about the alcoholic thing. (father) I had guessed it was Kim because of her skin. Was this the only time Kim was checked in to a rehab in her life, in 2010? If she was in and out of rehab all her life wouldn’t one of us have known that?

    • DarkSonnet says:

      How did you define “family” when you read that she had been checked into rehab by her family? Why not say her children/daughters? Was it Kyle?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      What kind of woman would agree to marry a man who isn’t divorced yet? She hadn’t even met his children which would be a big part of their life. And what woman would get pregnant when all these other variables are still in play? He is an aging toad. And she is a golddigger. They deserve each other.

  68. boston02127 says:

    Does anyone know how old Kelsey Grammer’s oldest child is? Not the kids he has with Camille, his older children. And how old is his girlfriend?

  69. LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

    Can anyone explain to me the paternity of Kim’s children. I know she has 4, appox. ages 24 20 19 14? Someone mentioned she was not married to the father of the youngest? Just wondering.

    • error404 says:

      from Wikipedia:

      “Richards has been married twice. Her first marriage was to G. Monty Brinson, with whom she had one daughter, Brooke Ashley, born on February 21, 1986, in El Centro, California. In 1991, Richards was engaged to commodities salesman John J. Collett. Mr. Collett was murdered by a hit man over a business deal gone awry.[7] Richards was then married to Gregory Davis, with whom she had two children, Whitney and Chad. Both marriages ended in divorce.
      Richards also has a daughter, Kimberly, with former boyfriend John Jackson.”

  70. error404 says:

    Remember the episode where Lisa was concerned that her addict son choose the right school? I don’t remember them screaming hurtful things at each other in the car. Oh well.. we’ll probably never fully understand the complex relationship the Richards sisters share.

    • Debbie says:

      Error 404
      You’re right..None of us will ever understand the complexities of the sisters’ relationships. As for Lisa remaining calm with her son while checking out the school, remember he had been clean for some time, he wasn’t at that time taking advantage of her. There was no reason for her to be angry. Her son has started proving to her that he can be responsible and make better decisions and accepted (hopefully) that he has had problems of his own making.
      None of us know what Kathy, Kyle and Kim have gone through ,who enables who, who has caused the most disruption and chaos and who’s words are true. But you know there’s some truth in both their stories. This is a really touchy topic and I find myself hesitant to make any judgment calls. I could ramble on here forever so I think its time to close.

  71. butterisafruit says:

    I don’t feel bad for Kim at all. I know what it’s like to be constantly
    indebted to someone when I never was old enough to have a choice.
    I do feel for Kyle however. I was always the one people turned to,
    mostly to fix, repair or manage some problem that I never knew of till
    it was close to a disaster.
    Kim is a drunk, I know what living with that is like. I was always protecting, hiding the
    circumstances for two family members. Then one day I stopped cold. Enough
    is enough they were sucking my life dry. I think Kyle is feeling that desperation now, mostly because they’re in the public eye more than ever.

    Bravo concocted that party. Kim and Taylor already had an ice cream outing. Now Taylor is bringing it up again? Russell has an event for his wife but Kyle and Kim’s agent/manager comes too? Of course Taylor was a putz to do it. You don’t treat a guest like that.

    Kim could have stayed in Rehab. Instead she left. She left because
    once she completed rehab she’d have to be responsible for herself and
    stop blaming the past and her sister for her problems.

    Therapy is needed here, but both people should be sober to make it work.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Im betting Kyle had a big role in raising Kim’s kids and now she does not have the simple joy of raising her own because of the constant attention her sister needs.

    • error404 says:

      there are always two people in any argument. two equal partners.

      I hope the Richards sisters are smart enough to realize that this isn’t all about Kim’s problem, and everything won’t magically go away once she quits. Yes, the drinking is the crisis. How they each reacted to the crisis is about them and their personalities. Strip away the addiction and Kim is still needy and Kyle still judgemental. Kim’s alcoholism isn’t why Kyle judges her, it’s just one more thing to judge her for.

  72. Jane says:

    I am really looking forward to the reunion show coming up – like I have never looked forward to a reunion show in the past. Does Kyle really tell Camille that doing porn is worse than appearing in Playboy? I think this reunion will be interesting!!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      And all the clowns will be present! It would be fun to see Allison make an appearance.

  73. AZ Girl says:

    Just watch a clip of the reunion. Kim confronts Taylor on her treat to do “all Oklahoma” on her and Taylor’s domestic violence charity. Taylor is seething. After a few words, Taylor turns to Kyle (who is sitting next to her) and ask “should I bring up her state of mind that evening?” “she is pushing me”.
    Once again Taylor is making Kyle choose between being a loyal sister or being Taylor’s friend. The pain on Kyle’s face was telling. Taylor is mean bitch and each episode she makes Camille look more like Bambi.

    • AZ Girl says:

      oops..”threat” not treat…..

    • TLM says:

      Just where was the CAKE at this supposed birthday party for Taylor? Wouldn’t they have cut the cake when Russell made his lame-ass toast??
      There was no cake, because it wasn’t a birthday party, it was set up to be a Bravo Brawl. I’m amazed they didn’t drag Camille and Didi away from the mansion so Camille could have thrown a punch at Kyle while Didi pulled her hair. Then Camille could have pushed Nick to the ground and had sex with him while his dead-behind-the-eyes-wife just stood there, as usual.

  74. Amber...Real Wife says:

    RE: Kyle

    When Paris Hilton had one of her PR nightmares, don’t remember which scandal it was, the porn tape, drug arrest, dui, (you get the point), Kyle was seen with Paris often in public, as a buffer. She was the tough aunt who would answer media questions, or tell them to shove off. Kyle was the family member known to handle the media in tough situations per Paris. Now she’s the one who is facing negative press and comments. It seems she’s using the regret card. But on the reunion, she had her pals throwing Kim under the bus. If you’re sorry, don’t let your friends insult your sister. Especially when they ask your permission!

  75. codystl says:

    Great wrap-up Lynn and agree with you on almost all of the points made. Kyle probably needs some therapy just as badly as Kim. They need to define some boundaries in their relationship and Kyle needs to stop “feeling” responsible for Kim. And what the hell kind of clearing things up with Kim did Taylor do? That wasn’t a “lets be friends” conversation. You’re right, Taylor stirs the pot and sits back and plays innocent. I would have a little respect for her if she would just admit that although she may not have used the word insecure, insignificant is pretty damn close.

    Just one question (since I’ve just started following your blog a couple of months ago) will you ever change the background of the blog so we don’t have to look a Kelly winking at us? Or is there a story behind it?

  76. HD says:

    Great and funny recap! “cry in the gift bag.” Love it!

    I do have say one minor thing I disagree with…I read in your blog and a few others agreed about Camille going to the apartment and questioning why?

    HUH?!!! You are married to a man of 13 years, he has a lavish apartment in NYC and he puts you up in a hotel?! I would have been over to that damn apartment so fast! Why did I go?! Because my husband told me not to and this story is not adding up!! I wish my husband would have a lavish apartment in NYC and I am booked in a hotel room. Yeah right! Camille would be a bigger fool than she already is not to go over there and find out what is going on.

    • Di says:

      I think Camille knew exactly what was going on. I think she convinced Kelsey to let her come out for one last red carpet event. She probably told him it would save face on her RHBH show (he didn’t know what all she was taping), or maybe she threatened to let out some dirt about his private life. Oh she wouldn’t do that, would she? 😉

      • HD says:

        A woman always knows as they say but I can see Kelsy saying what Camille claimed. He’s an actor. He’s at the Tony Awards. It is possible people will ask where his wife is and wanted to avoid all of the questions from the media at that particular time. Men do that all the time. “Let’s try to make it work, let’s give it one more try” knowing all along they plan on leaving.

        There is no reason on God green’s earth that Kelsy could have given her that would justify her staying in a hotel. That would have sealed the deal for me. So hell yeah, I would have went to the apartment! If nothing else for me to confirm what I pretty much already knew. She knew but sometimes people just need to see it in black and white.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Kelsey could have said he didn’t want Camille’s entourage at the apartment – it would be more convenient for them/RHBH crew etc to use a hotel suite.

          • Adgirl says:

            I guess he couldn’t use the “we’re in the middle of decorating” excuse.

            Bedbugs would have worked.

          • HD says:

            Still wouldn’t work for me. Put the entourage up in a hotel. You haven’t seen your wife in months. Most men would want some sex but we now know he was having sex just not with Camille. At some point I am sure Camille can say no filming I am sleeping with my husband. Just like Bethanny said she chose not to have her proposal on film. So she can call some shots if it came down to the BH crew and being with her husband she has not seen in months.

            I wonder what excuse he gave her not to come to that apartment? I hope Andy asks her that question.

            • quincyil says:

              I read a long time ago that a friend of Camille’s saw Kelsey in a restaurant and that Camille’s friend called Camille to tell her. Camille tried to contact Kelsey and he did not respond. I imagine the midnight call and kiss off came at some time later than Camille’s friend’s call.

    • error404 says:

      LOL true.

      The one thing I’m not sure about is part about Adrienne, the Bravo producers, and having a storyline.

      The other women often make reference to Adrienne as being a mediator. I think several of them said the NY argument wouldn’t have dragged on had she been there, and Taylor at least tried to get Adrienne to mediate at psycho psychic dinner party. Her own explanation is that she won’t involve herself in the Kyle vs Camille feud because it’s just so stupid, but she did interfere in the Kyle vs Kim feud because they’re sisters and she feels they should heal. Adrienne actually seems pretty bright.

      • Adgirl says:

        I love how everyone thought Adrienne is the only grown up capable of being level headed. Look what happens when mommy isn’t home.

  77. WindyCityWondering says:

    What exactly is an “explosive argument”? Voices get raised? The f bomb gets tossed? Threats of harm are made? Hurtful barbs are used to wound each other emotionally? Fists fly? With all the Richard Sister drama I am really curious about Lisa and Cedric. He just seemed so creepy to me and knowing he is 37….ewwww.

  78. HD says:

    On the “in my heart I believe its a woman” line…I took at face value. Like, I think it must be another woman. I can see with all that she has said on Howard Stern how it can come off as a gay jab but I took it as “I think he’s having an affair and a woman is up in the apartment.” Who knows with Camille…

    • Adgirl says:

      She is trying to publicly emasculate Kelsey.

      Camille:If I can’t have him, then no one will want him after I’m done with him.

      • HD says:

        She lost that fight. I guess her ‘I’m going to act like my husband is in the closet’ trick didn’t work.

        I wonder why he is in such a rush to remarry? I think men remarry so quickly! Did you see Sandra Bullock’s ex-husband is engaged. I mean damn. Is the ink dry on the divorce papers?

        • AZ Girl says:

          Any man that would give up Sandy for a tatted out chick has issues. Sandy is cool. She is smart, money savvy and you don’t see her hanging out at the “in” restaurants in LA to get her face in a tabloid. I don’t mind one or two tattoos. That is fine. But, I can only imagine 10 or 20 years from now what these tatted out women are going to look like. Trust me a tramp stamp is going to be on your hamstring. :0

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            Kat and that Nazi ho bag are just nasty.

            Jessie obviously likes very dirty girls- and to say that everything he has been through in the past months was worth it to be with Kat- is beyond disgusting. How about the hurt and devastation you put your wife (now ex) and kids through.

  79. Adgirl says:

    This season was all about Kyle having fights.

    • error404 says:

      Every season of every HW show seems to be about the women ripping into each other. s1 & 2 of NY was about Bethenny and Jill fighting with the others, until s3 when they turned on each other.

      I said it after the first episode and I still think it: BH is more interesting because of the sibling rivalry dynamic. All of the other arguments are just childish bs. The show would have been nothing without Kim and Lisa IMHO.

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        I also think BH is more interesting because these women have real money. I would describe three of them as “filthy rich”, and I love looking at their stuff.

        • Adgirl says:

          Agreed. It’s the wealth. I think that’s why NY is better too. The real money and the education level is higher.

          The burb editions:
          NJ I hate the entire cast. Didn’t watch.
          Atlanta is just the NeNe and Kim UFC.
          OC needs to go away.

  80. HD says:

    I had a lot to do today so I was not able to follow along but did ya’ll talk about Tiffany apparently outing Johnathan Knight on WWHL. When she said he was gay I thought hmmmmmm I never heard that but I didn’t really think much of it. He is not someone I keep up with. Was he really outted or did people suspect he was gay?

  81. AZ Girl says:

    Seating arrangement for the reunion. Adrianne, Kim, Camille, Andy in the middle, and Kyle, Taylor then Lisa at the end. Sometime during the taping Kyle does sit next to Kim when Andy asks about the substance abuse. I really hope that Taylor fries herself. Taylor does have anger issues from what I see in the clips. Much more than Kyle.
    Finally…who would be so unhappy with everything Taylor has? Healthy child, great house, no need to work. Many here have less and do more and are very content.
    Taylor is becoming my new “Jill”. She really pissed me off last night.

  82. Cusi77 says:

    Great Blog Lynn!!! *****Stars****** One of my favorites of all times!

    Good evening everyone!

    Isn’t this the first Franchise of Housewives that did not cash in at the end of the season selling books, singing, etc. etc.?????

    • HD says:

      I didn’t miss that Lisa said Villa Blanca was working on a cookbook that has been a long time in the making but funny you sure did find time to get it done now. I wonder why?

  83. @tweatcyn says:

    Oh boy, here’s a doozie about Shana Hughes, aka Taylor Ford, aka Taylor Armstrong, who said on WWHL that she never changed her name. LMAO!


    • error404 says:

      Love it! I can’t wait for season two, as I’m sure the train wreck that is “Taylor Armstrong” is heading for another crash, and I can’t wait to rubberneck.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      And in the comments there are people who knew her in high school confirming. Good find!

    • BChick says:

      There was also a link for court papers….Russell is quite the catch!

    • Nancy says:

      We need to get this info to Lisa ASAP!

    • Sparkles says:


      The more I’ve read and seen about Taylor, the more things don’t sit right with me. As someone here pointed out, the whole name change story didn’t add up. The past few days, I’ve been getting a “Cedric” vibe about her.

      Another area I’m interested in: her bio claims that she is an entrepreneur who sold a bunch of businesses. There are no specifics, though. Also, she is president of that IT consulting firm, yet she apparently has no higher education.

      I think the reason her relationship with Russell is 80 percent business is that her role is to help him wine and dine wealthy clients (since he’s no social butterfly).

    • nathania says:

      good grief, it’s the freaking Salahis all over again. Taylor really flew under the radar for me until the last night. She definitely knows how to shade the truth, just about everything she says is some degree of the truth or some degree of a lie, just enough for people to trust her.

      What a strange crew these shows pull in. Some ‘real’ people like Adrienne and Lisa who probably look at it as free advertising for their various businesses, the rest grifters. It is almost starting to seem to me that you are either one or the other if you are on one of these shows.

  84. jillz68 says:

    Wow this episode made me feel something that these shows have never made me feel. Sadness. I understand that living and taking care of someone who abuses substances can be exhausting, depressing, maddening, etc. That said, Kyle (who I HAVE been a fan of), behaved like a rabid dog. I don’t care how much either of my sisters have pissed me off I would not treat them that way around my friends and on camera. I haven’t lived it so maybe they drive you to this in the course of your life but you have to remember that this person is your family and the mother to your nieces and nephews so escort them home so they can sober up and deal with it later.

    My Taylor hatred is ranking up there with Jill, Teresa, and Kelly. I actually find Taylor more disturbing than Kelly and Teresa because they are so simple minded I don’t see them as manipulative, just awful human beings. I like how someone SO CONCERNED with domestic violence threatens someone who may or may not be sober with going all OK on her ass. If she had said that to me, I would have told her to bring it and then snapped her boney ass in two (not condoning violence!).

    I like Lisa and I am glad she is on to Taylor. I have a feeling Adrienne is onto her as well but probably doesn’t care enough to mess with it. Camille didn’t bug me this ep. I think that she is the type that once you know her you know how to handle her (from a distance). Taylor is the one who will be your friend and confidante and once you are of no use, she is on the phone selling your secrets or using it to try and steal your hot husband.

  85. jeang says:

    RHWBH has made me remember some things I thought and hoped were gone, but were not. I cannot tell you how many times todayI have remembered and thought about how my sweet daddy survived this kind of disfunction. . My daddy was born in the late 20’s to two alcoholics, and with other issues. cheaters on both side and deadbeats and nonsupportive on both sides. My daddy would have died had his natural mothers sister in law with a baby his age, had not fed him. He spent his entire life till his death at age 52, from a heart attack, trying to grow up as a baby, toddler, child, a teen and adult and then trying to hide that from us, his own children, all the physical, mental and emotional abuse he suffered/ The entire time caring for the two most worthless people that ever took a breath. They lived in their drunken and manupilative existence till their 80’s. They robbed him and my sister and I because I feel, had his life been easier hewould still be with us. ….Times are different now and its not the great depression,icannot forget what i saw and lived///I know Kyle was wrong but I think the”you stole my house “as the final straw for her. I just wonder and worry for Kims children and what have they seen and survived and how will they get past what she has put them through. She was put into rehab and took herself out again……based on past experiences, probably not!! My daddy was the only one of four kids that tried to help him. The other 3 ,walked away just like little selfish kathy hilton.

    • Cusi77 says:

      How remarkable man was your father Jean! You have his good heart.

      • jeang says:

        I am so glad I got that from him. He was the best, he turned out to be the most gorgeous handsome hunk in our area back in those day, and I always wondered why; He was like the Johnny Carson of our area/ I think that was Gods reward for his horrible nasty parents. He was raised basically by others, and that good woman, poor soul, that married his daddy in later years. His daddy abused her and stole from her as well, but I know she earned her crowns in heaven as well because of that nasty man that fathered my father. we always loved her because she really was the one that cared for my daddy, not his own nasty whore mama. we went to both their funerals, the first for my grandaddy, only because my daddy did love that sob and then after my daddy died and his natural mama died, only for the respect for him, NOT HER/I am a Christian, and I know its not right, but I cannot help but hope but that they both burn in Hell.

  86. If You Had It Like This says:

    I wanted to comment on this upstream but lost my place! I think that the Hiltons didn’t show up to Farrah’s graduation because Paris is used to being the star and not a supporting character. The producer pretty much spells it out in his blog. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-1/blogs/bh-producers/time-flies?page=0,4

    That coupled with that Vanity Fair article about Big Kathy and Kathy Hilton and their shameless desire to make Paris a star “bigger than Marilyn Monroe”, paints a pretty good picture of who Kathy Hilton is. IMO.

    • Adgirl says:

      I always thought that’s why they didn’t go to the graduation. What they really want is Bravo to give Paris her own show.

    • Cusi77 says:

      Me too I thought they will not appear on RHOBH without cashing.

    • vilzvet says:

      I guess we were supposed to be impressed when Kyle was on the phone with Kathy and dropped the “Paris, Nicky” names, and previously when the whole family’s names were up on screen, but it felt very manipulated and dumb. I couldn’t care less about “Conrad and Baron” the boys, but I’m sure they’ll be big players in the tabloids if they are anything like Paris. Actually Nicky seems kind of cool, and she is a designer of some sort, so she has half a brain at least, but I don’t think we missed anything by not seeing the Hiltons.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Little Kathy learned from Big Kathy and Paris and Kim are the products of their creation. So Little Kathy has her hands full with Paris and Kyle gets the job of taking care of Kim. These people don’t have skeletons in their closets – they own the whole frigging graveyard!

    • Kellita says:

      It’s interesting that Little Kathy seems a lot like her mom in that regard, while Kim and Kyle did not go the route of Stage Mom with their kids.

  87. vilzvet says:

    LOL at finally watching the Ellen show and seeing the gift she gave Lisa, the pink stroller with little hanging chandelier inside for Giggy so they don’t always have to lug him around. They always come up with the cutest gifts on that show.

  88. ches says:

    Found this in Google Books. It’s a very compelling read (even though parts are missing) and gives some good insight into the Kim/Kyle/Mother relationship. Very interesting.
    House of Hilton

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Oh, this is GREAT! Parts are missing, but enough is there to be a good read. This is what Quincy was reporting on yesterday. Ya gotta go read this!

      Also, in Bravo’s videos there is a Best Moments about Russell where Dwight and a friend of Taylor are talking her out of having the second baby Russell wants her to have (she says) and Dwight comments that Russell now has 3 children by 3 women.

  89. TLM says:

    My contribution to comments on the Producer’s Blog.

    BH Music Hits a Sour Note

    Dave, I didn’t realize there was a “producer’s blog” this season. It’s nice to have some explanations from behind the scenes.

    I’m sorry to say I don’t share your enthusiasm for the soundtrack. In particular, the “melancholy” moment you mentioned at the White Party totally sounded to me like it was ripped off from CSI or Cold Case. It felt out of place and creepy, like someone on the crew was a frustrated wannabe-producer of a dramatic murder mystery show. Even the visual at that point looked to me like a scene where you are seeing the party guests through the eyes of the killer. That’s jarring, and it takes the viewer out of the story and makes them think, “WTF? Did I bang into the remote by accident? Wait, I thought Cold Case isn’t on until Sunday.” Not good.

    The other thing I wanted to mention is that I am sick to death of the same stock music being used for every bar or disco or party. I call one the “Faux funky dance.” It sounds like it ripped off part of “Let’s Groove” by Earth Wind & Fire, only without the voices or the excitement, and it’s played about at half-speed of the EWF song. Then there is another piece of music that’s equally annoying but faster paced, which I call the “exciting nightlife” music, and usually ends with reverb and a visual of buildings in a city at night. Both are totally overused. Never in my life would I have assumed you have composers at the ready on your staff, because the shows feel like there’s one sound library and you all take music from that and drop it into scenes where you can’t get clearances for the actual music, such as the Jay-Z show or any other music played in a club.

    I don’t mind the generic music, I mind the constant repeated use of the SAME generic music. There’s a piece of music I think I first heard used in the NYC episode in St. John where Bethenny swims into the ocean away from the boat they’re all on. It was really cool the first 10,000 times I heard it, until I saw it was used EVERYWHERE since then. I still call it the “Bethenny Boat Music.” The music from the sound libraries seems to be used across all Bravo shows, too, regardless of the production company or show. I think I even recognized music on early episodes of Housewives on Project Runway. Don’t know if you guys realize it, but as viewers, we really do notice when things are being used again and again. For the love of God, please get some original music, or get a rights & clearances person. It would be nice to hear an actual song at some point that isn’t Luann or Kim Zolciak or Kandi Burruss singing.

  90. ramona_coaster says:

    I think Kyle can’t wait to put Kim away in a nursing home. Boy did she throw her under the bus. I still hope Kim gets some acting jobs her way. She’s not the only addict working in Hollywood. I think she should be given a chance. It would be better for Kim if she were kept busy. At least she would have another focus.
    Bravo lucked out on another drama-filled housewives show.

  91. Amber...Real Wife says:

    To lighten the mood 🙂

  92. NYCer says:

    I live in what’s deemed a “luxury” building in the East 60s. I’m sure it’s NOTHING like Kelsey Grammer’s place but it’s nice and we have at least one “celeb” that I know of in the building. Anyway, I disagree with Lynn a little on the doorman story. Everyone is stopped in the lobby and no guest (even a repeat guest) can go upstairs without the doorman calling and getting approval from the apt. In the first SIX (!) months I was living here I was stopped by doormen I had MET!! –depending on what I was wearing or how I did my hair that day they wouldn’t recognize me. And it’s 24-hr service with at least 2 men on at a time, so there are a lot of people working who have to learn to recognize you.
    Camille probably exaggerated a bit (as I am sure I did when recounting my own doormen stories to friends), but there is there is something so insulting when you have to identify yourself in the lobby of your own building!

    • NYCer says:

      and one other thing–of the people on during a shift, there is always one “concierge” who seems better trained and actually deals with residents’ problems, hands you mail and packages, calls you when you have a guest in the lobby, etc…and then there is a “doorman” –someone who literally stands in the cold or heat and opens taxi doors and the building doors. Both ask you who you are visiting if they don’t recognize you.

      I’m a little biased towards believing Camille because this is our first full-service building and what was meant to be an amenity came off as antagonistic until we were well-known by the building staff. Now that I’m never questioned, I think of it as valuable security. 🙂

      As for the finale, I’m disappointed that they’ve already filmed the reunion! This episode showed how awful Taylor really is, and I’m bummed that Andy won’t have viewer sentiments to lob and both Taylor and Kyle!! Poor Kim has a slower tongue than the rest of them and can’t keep up in an argument.

      • MBDEA says:

        Yeah, I was initially conflicted about the whole Kyle/Kim side.

        While I could see that Kyle’s anger might be construed as frustration over Kim’s “neediness,” I am leaning more towards believing that Kyle would want us to think that.

        Stringing together the episodes (from the grocery shopping in Palm Springs to the last episode), Kyle seems to enjoy her role of a martyred savior –namely Kim’s. It seems to fuel her self-esteem to knock Kim’s down and she can be quite cruel about it. The scenes in the limo were so disturbing to watch mainly because, as someone previously pointed out, Kyle hit below the belt several times and used what I imagine is a common tactic for attacking Kim –trying to present her as crazy, outrageously inappropriate and ridiculous when there is NOTHING to that effect in Kim’s behavior other than pain that anyone could relate to (after being attacked so publicly). Poor Kim, indeed.

        • error404 says:

          it’s interesting because Kyle, Taylor and Lisa all make comments about Kim being crazy, acting weird, etc.. but Bravo chose to edit out every single example of such behavior. Again at the reunion, Taylor makes reference to Kim’s “state of mind” at the NYC late night post flight dinner… Umm, Bravo filmed the whole thing. Why did they edit out every single example of this “state of mind” thing Taylor is talking about? Or was this horrible behavior only seen by Taylor thru her secret state of mind seeing glasses?

          • If You Had It Like This says:

            Yeah, this state of mind business. WTH? I’m sure it’s just the fact that Kim was drinking and I guess she’s a recovering alcoholic. Or was recovering. I am not clear on whether or not she was sober for a period before they taped that. I am clear on the fact that Taylor is a snake, however. I really hope Kyle defends Kim a little more and doesn’t let Taylor rip into her again. Also, after reading some excerpts from the House of Hilton book it seems that Kim and Kyle’s mother had a vicious abusive streak according to a step-daughter and obviously that’s rubbed off on Kim and Kyle in different ways. Kyle can be very mean spirited and very controlling and she must get that from her mother.

          • NYCer says:

            I think Kyle told everyone that Kim was an alcoholic and a burden and everything Kim did was then colored by that. Of all the housewives these women seem to drink (and eat) the least. But it is weird that we never saw Kim’s “antics” when you compare it to drunk scenes of Ramona, Gretchen, Kelly, Lynn, Kim, NeNe, Sonja, Vicky, and Tamra.

          • kukulet says:

            How about Kim pretending that that baby was hers, and that she was going to breastfeed it when the potential date stopped by? Or a grown woman having her daughter tell a guy over the phone that Kim had about four more children than she actually did? Sorry, but that WAS weird. Bravo didn’t edit that out.

            • Rabble Rouser says:

              That was all part of the same lame joke- I don’t think it was any odder than Lisa having Cedric chase her around a parking lot as she pretended to drive away.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            How about the time that she jumped in the pool fully clothed? Oh wait…that was Mauricio.
            Or how about the time she made obscene hand gestures and the dinner table? O wait, that was Allison Dubious.
            Hmmm, how about the time where she threatened to “Go Oklahoma on” on someones a**? Oh wait, that was Taylor.
            I know, how about the time she lunged at family member and had to be restrained because bystanders thought she was going to attack someone? Oh wait, that was Kyle.

            If outrageous behavior is the calling sign of an alcoholic, Kim is in good company and not the the first in line.

  93. lillybee says:

    I have decided that the producers on Bravo really hate women, otherwise they would find a few with redeeming qualities. Decent women seem to be few on Bravo programs.

    • MBDEA says:

      I’d have to agree but how many decent women would agree to put their lives on display like that? Clearly, the ones who crave attention (some who really seem to need it) are the only ones jumping at the chance to be on TV like this. Yuck!

  94. MBDEA says:

    Wow am I late to this party. You all had so many excellent points to make and surprisingly I agree with almost every comment (only “most” because I just couldn’t get through every single comment without my eyes twitching).

    Maybe because I didn’t get through all posts, but did anyone comment on the white little puppy Russel gave his daughter and how Taylor used it to teach Russel a lesson, “I SAID no dogs and I MEANT no dogs”

    Here’s my 2-cents; that dog is a maltese (or a maltepoo). I have one. In fact, I purchased one for my girls specifically because they have terrible allergies (they’re on 4 different meds daily to control them). Before my girls were born, we had min-pins (miniature pinschers). However, we had to move them outdoors once it was determined by BOTH our pediatrician and allergists that our girls were allergic to animal fur. It was heartbreaking to even THINK of giving them away. My girls adored them. So we opted to move them outdoors (insulated dog house, heating pad, sweaters and coats) PLUS we live in SoCal (which is why I’m usually late to this party).

    After diligent and exhaustive research, I decided on the maltese as a one of the few varieties of dogs that were considered hypo-allergenic (seems they have HAIR instead of fur). While I will admit there is some disagreement as to whether or not there is such a thing as a hypoallergenic dog, most of my research and consulting with medical pros pointed me to my maltese decision.

    After owning our beloved maltese for 3 yrs now I can attest that INDEED it is hypoallergenic. It lives indoors and my girls have had NO (none, zero, ningun) problem with an allergic reaction to our maltese.

    Long story shot, Taylor is a lying manipulative bitch who lashes out when she feels someone made her look bad. Russel’s genuine gift of love to his daughter upstaged her vapid gift and she would NOT stand for it. He was going to PAY even if it meant making her own daughter miserable. What a BITCH!

    I would not put it past her to misrepresent her child’s allergies as THE reason for getting rid of their maltese puppy. She never even told her daughter’s pediatrician what kind of dog she had. Also, taking her daughter to the ped with Bravo cameras in tow to confirm her EXCUSE for getting rid of the puppy was so contrived. Those crocodile tears each time she mentioned having to get rid of the dog were pathetic attempts to shun guilt and responsibility for getting rid of the dog simply because SHE didn’t want it –and to teach Russel a lesson.

    If her marriage to Russel is not a happy one, it has been made clear by her own words and body language that SHE’s the problem. Russel looks sad because he is married to an icy, manipulative petulant money-hungry, vapid desperate wannabe. That is all.

    • Adgirl says:

      I so appreciate your post! You give your family and the prospective pet a good chance of permanent bonding. Good for you!!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Welcome to the party!

      I am in SoCal too, if you have COX- if you watch Bravo on HD it’s set to EST so it’s on earlier. 🙂

    • nathania says:

      I agree. and I think the scene with the girl at the end was very strange. it chilled me to think, ‘what if this is just some chick Taylor hired and said, I’ll pay you a thousand bucks to do a scene with me on my show so people won’t think I’m a bitch’. Because I just did not feel any warmth coming from that girl toward her supposedly potential new pet. I guess because I watch animal planet all the time and see how potential adopters reach out to the pet and their eyes light up and they are so excited. That girl completely flatlined in that part, she didn’t reach out for the dog, it was just weird. Taylor might have said, ‘drop her off at the pound on your way out of town’ or something. It just breaks my heart.

  95. WSL says:

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  96. NYCer says:

    Why would Kyle have to support Kim when Kim has a rich ex-husband (remember the gate-butler-but you’d find us in flip-flops story?) and her other sister is married to Rick HILTON! The more I think about it, Kyle is as manipulative as Taylor. Kyle is responsible for what the other women think of Kim.
    I don’t know what Bethenny sees in her.

    • Adgirl says:

      Who knows if Kim is still getting the support?
      I know the Davis family has been squabbling over money (or the lack of it).

      • Sha2000 says:

        Not defending Kyle but I want to point out that when she made that remark Kim didn’t snap back “no you are not”. I think there maybe a bit of truth in it.

  97. error404 says:

    Lucky Russell. What hardworking man doesn’t look forward to time spent in a tropical location, discussing his feelings and the future of his marriage (read: his wife bitching about how awful he is to live with!).

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      And who wouldn’t want a woman who looks like a barbie doll……..who looks like she melted in microwave.

      • nathania says:

        there was an interesting blind on dlisted about a housewife on one of the currently airing franchises that supposedly starts out every day with a bit of cocaine. A lot of people guessed Kim from Atlanta but my guess is if it were her she’d be addicted and a whole lot thinner. Someone suggested Lisa with Cedric being her connection and that being the reason she’s allowing him to live there. But now that I have read all these posts, I am thinking if there is any truth to the blind it might quite possibly be about Taylor because god knows she looks the part.

  98. WSL says:

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    • JKW says:

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  99. WSL says:

    Kansas Girl says:

    January 21, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Can you explain what part of the game trip was showing this behavior?
    Kim was stand offish and didn’t enjoy the moment. She might not be shy but want to not build friendships so she isn’t accountable & then can sneak off to use.
    Kansas for some reason I remember u as in your early 20s. Is that right ?
    I am not sure u can detect the illness of abuse immediately. I have had family in recovery for 30 years & I missed all the signs of kyle & Kim.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Thanks for the reply. I had taken her stand-offish behavior as shy. I was shy as a kid, so the behavior made sense to me. But you’ve opened my eyes and of course it could be the sign of other issues. I’m learning! I’ve not been around people who are abusive or addictive until very recent years, so am learning quickly. I agree that looking back with knowledge, the signs are clear, but no matter how knowledgeable, sometimes we just don’t see it coming at us.

      I’m chuckling and sort of flattered that you pegged me as 20. Uh, no, not quite. Add 37 years and you’ve got it! Hopefully it means I have a youthful outlook in my comments. Not that I’m immature! LOL! We’re about the same era, I think, eh?

  100. HD says:

    This has nothing to do with Housewives but is it just me or does Fabio make gnocchi a lot?

    • Debbie says:

      LOL..You’re right HD!! Fabio makes a lot of gnocchi. Have you been to his website and read his blog? The most recent one on Restaurant Wars is funny and you can tell he wrote it himself. He writes as he speaks..with an Italian accent 🙂
      Blog | Chef Fabio Viviani http://bit.ly/esi84a

  101. boston02127 says:

    Good morning ☼

    Just got done reading about Taylor and the reasons for her name change. Hmm…Shanna/Shana didn’t sound wealthy. Well….it looks like my name now matches my bank account. I wonder if her real name is pronounced Shana (sounding like crain) or Shanna (sounding like banana)?

    Also, Jill tweeted that she’s cleaned out her closet and is selling her cloths on Ebay.
    I don’t think there is enough Purell in the world to make me want to touch anything of hers.

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      Selling her clothes on ebay? Really? She can’t find a nice little charity for women to donate her old clothing?
      She is a piece of work!

  102. boston02127 says:

    The book, House of Hilton by Jerry Oppenheimer was on Ebay. I got it for only $2.99. I haven’t received it yet, I ordered it on the 18th. It’s only 288 pages and I’m guessing it’s a quick read. If anyone wants to read it after I’m done, give Lynn your address and I’ll pass it on.

    That’s right Taylor, poor Shanna from Boston bought a book for 2.99!!! HA

    • Debbie says:

      Oh I would LOVE to.

    • karenne says:

      I just ordered the book about the Hiltons from Amazon, for one cent, plus four bucks shipping…I read partial bits on Google reviews and the story of Big Kathy, just makes everything understandable, as far as the behavior of the sisters. When I read “she pitted the girls against one another” and she kept Kim very dependent upon her alone, and how she raised them to Catch a Rich Man to Marry, well, I just had to read the rest of it!!

  103. icantstandthetoxicity says:

    This is funny, Quincy and I were surprised that Jill didn’t congratulate Simon on his new show. Jill probably read our comments from earlier this week. LOL

    Jillzarin: Congrats to Simon for his new web series. It will be fun to watch! Let us know when it starts running. @SimonvanKempen

  104. missmi says:

    Im bummed I missed the exclusive club. I was reading all the posts at that time.
    @Boston, I read the House of Hilton book, it is a good read. One thing I just remembered from the book which was while ago, is that Big Kathy didnt have any sense of a moral compass. It played into Rick and Kathys attitude about Paris and her celebrity. Basically, the Hiltons do not view their daughter in a porno has horrible. They care about the attention. My point is……Kim was on hard times, Kyle and hubby get her a rental and MOST RECENTLY have been helping financially. Kyle gets Kim on the show so that she can have an income and possibly restart her career. If I remember, Kyle was irritated with Kim cuz Kim wasnt packing and was talking about having a baby, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, because celebrity is the ultimate goal. They may honestly not realize boundries. In the end….the Richards sisters, namely Kyle, are famous. Little shame for what they are putting out there. Let the chips fall where they may. Sorry it was so long, just a thought.

  105. Debbie says:

    I am watching the re-runs right now. I have a Major question… Kyle ad Lisa are at lunch. They are discussing New York and that Lisa has questions for Taylor. Kyle tells Lisa that Taylor is coming and right away tells her to not ask Taylor what she said to Camille while she was alone with Camille. This would have been the PERFECT time. Why did she ask her not to? Why didn’t she?

  106. Debbie says:

    i give up…i get email updates on the blog & i keep opening and seeing ITA as a comment. can someone please clue me in as to what it stand for. nothing is coming to me…a and i’m feeling pretty lame ;-p

  107. MommyFrazzled says:

    Loved the blog! Saw so many responses on many sites.

    My 2 cents:
    I agree there is a lot we probably did not see, as is the case with all of these shows. With a lot of child actors they have issues from being the bread winner for the family, totally giving up a normal childhood. All of that aside leading up to the show, my problem with Kyle was the fact that she never, ever took up or forgave her sister over Taylor. Taylor talked in NYC, Taylor brought the crap up at her own party. Drunk or not, Kim was sitting quietly with her friend talking when Taylor chose to open that can of worms.

    From the minute I saw Kim at the beginning of she show she looked mousy, scared, unsure of herself, everything the other ladies were not. Kyle is her sister, she should know it takes Kim awhile to get anything out of her mouth much less backing you. But when she did get it out of her mouth, every single time she was defending her sister. Drunk or not she remembered verbatim what Taylor said at the airport, score one for Kim.

    I am sure Kim probably only did the show because Kyle asked her to. She would be terrified to commit to something like that on her own. I wish it had gone better for her. I give Lisa huge props for calling Taylor out about the NYC and Adrienne for comforting Kim when she saw it was a gang against one person. It was not right. Even Martin came to her defense and that said a lot about his character to me.

    Personally, I think Klye said the most hurtful thing she could think of because there was someone defending Kim. She didn’t want to look exactly as she was picking a fight with the wrong person yet again. When they left Kim to go home alone from Camille’s, Kyle had everyone with her and Kim had no one. That was sad. Hell I would need a drink after that crap. I have a sister also and we do not always get along or agree with each other, but NEVER is anyone else allowed to mess with her while I am there. We NEVER do that.

    Kim needs some help yes, and she needs to become more sure of herself to stand on her own two feet because there will be times she has to be strong. We all do. I wish her luck and I hope Kyle re watches the episodes and be honest about her actions.

  108. Periwinkle says:

    Wow…took me over an hour to read all the commets but thanks for the blog and keeping me entertained on a sleepless night.
    I was wondering if anyone caught exactly what Camille said about the night of the Tony awards. Did she say that Kelsey spent the night w/her and just fell asleep w/his arm around her? If I was a certain 29 year old flight attendant, I’d be pretty pissed right about now.

    • NYCer says:

      Camille said she was on the bed with Kelsey’s arm around her and he left as soon as she fell asleep.

    • Anne says:

      No you wouldn’t be because the 29 year old flight attendent is only into Kelsey for the money. No other reason, unless she is brain dead. She speaks and eats, so there is some higher function going on between her ears.

  109. Nashvegas says:

    Am I the only one who thought Kelsey and Camille were already seperating, and he agreed to the show for Camille? From the first second we saw of them together it was akward and seemed obvious to me that they didnt have a relationship. I think Camille thought she was famous since she was married to a celebrity and thought she could make herself famous through the show. I just dont think she expected him to move on quite as quickly and publicly as he did.

  110. SillyMe says:

    Hi everyone! Ohh my i just finished watching the finale and my heart really breaks for Kim in this particular episode and Taylor just made me cringed!! She was CLEARLY attacking Kim and was TRYING to get Kim or people around to hear that it was Kim that flamed the fued in NY between Camille and Kyle but in fact they were ALL talking about Camille at the airport and Taylor was the ONE who reported that back to Camille so really Taylor is the one at fault here…Urghhh I really can’t stand Taylor now and am glad the season is over so i don’t have to look at her anymore…Kim and Kyle i feel sorry for them both as it will take a lot of work for them to rebuild their relationship…Taylor really is the evil one yikes i hope Kyle sees her true colors after watching this episode. However in Kyle’s blog about the finale she still seems to stand behind Taylor calling her a good friend and person and all…why can’t she see what the rest of us see??

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