I Hate Jill Zarin How Did They Do That? RHOBH v. RHONJ

I Hate Jill Zarin How Did They Make Us Watch That? RHOBH v. RHONJ

I miss Beverly Hills already, the series did a great job casting and shooting but…

Would you ever have imagined an entire season of a one-hour show being completely built around one comment made by one person one night in split second?

The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was able to do that, and each week the ratings soared until they went through the roof for this series.

When Bravo cast six ladies to be featured on the show, I understand that they are encouraged to get together, get to know each other and invite one another to parties and functions that they’re hosting. In the case of Beverly Hills early on in one of those parties, somewhere in the dark with no cameras around Kyle Richards and Camille Grammer had a conversation. Both ladies agree that the conversation started out pleasant enough, Kyle asked Camille how she was spending her summer vacation and Camille told Kyle she would be spending a few weeks at her home in Hawaii. Both ladies agree as well that Kyle asked Camille if her husband Kelsey Grammer would be joining Camille in Hawaii and both agree Camille answered “no, Kelsey has to remain in New York to do his Broadway show”.

It is the next few seconds that come into question and throw this entire series on its hiney! Camille Grammer asked Kyle why she was so interested in this topic of her vacation and then according to Camille, Kyle’s next remark was “Why would anyone be interested in you without Kelsey?” Of course Kyle completely denies ever saying that or anything like that, in fact she denies even thinking that!

In Camille’s mind, Kyle was questioning why Bravo would film Camille alone without her husband as there would be little interest in anything going on featuring just Camille Grammer. Kyle insists she was simply making small talk and never said anything of the kind.

And so it began, The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills aired episode after episode and this one incident was the center of the universe for these ladies for months. While other things did happen, this conversation between the two “leading” ladies of Bravo’s Beverly Hills franchise spun this series on its ear, weaved its way through almost every storyline, it created arguments, debates and discussions between all six housewives at one time or another.

This one seemingly harmless chat was able to carry an entire season of a show consisting of six women who live in Beverly Hills.

Probably even more unbelievable was the series in New Jersey that built an entire season around one housewife being hated by the other four housewives. Danielle Staub was elevated to star of the series not because of anything that she did but by the four women who vowed to hate her.

From the first episodes Jacqueline, Caroline, Teresa and Dina spent hours upon hours just talking about what Danielle said, what she had done, how much they hated her and what they were going to do about it. Almost three entire episodes were devoted to Dina making a decision and then following through with her decision to tell Danielle face to face that she wanted nothing to do with her. Then Dina promptly left the series.

Once Dina left there were meetings, dinner parties and plans discussed all surrounding one woman who had really done nothing of significance to these three ladies. Teresa and Jacqueline had play dates with their kids, Caroline had Jacqueline over to her home for dinner, all three ladies went to lunch and without fail the topic of discussion was Danielle Staub, how much they hate her, why they hate her, whether or not to attend any event that might include Danielle…and on it went for an entire season.

Jacqueline, Caroline and Teresa went on a trip to Italy with their husbands, children, parents and an entire film crew, the talk was not excitement at visiting Italy but rather the relief of getting away from Danielle, who by the way, they hadn’t even seen for weeks. Jacqueline and Teresa’s husbands on a cruise ship in Italy discussed, you guessed it, Danielle Staub.

While other housewives series have season ending parties and special events, the Real Housewives of New Jersey based their season finale on a meeting between Caroline Manzo and Danielle Staub. A meeting that Caroline set up to follow in her sister Dina’s footsteps, to tell Danielle Staub that she wants nothing more to do with her. This was after the admission from Caroline that she’d not seen Danielle since the previous season’s reunion. Danielle hadn’t done anything or said anything to any of these women all season, while Teresa baited her, Jacqueline screamed at her and Jacqueline’s daughter Ashley pulled Danielle’s hair out of her head, Danielle said and did nothing. Yes, she pressed criminal charges against Ashley and may have embellished on exactly what happened to police but in the end, had this stupid girl not pulled her hair, none of that wouldn’t have happened and Danielle‘s self-imposed distance from the other ladies would have remained in tact.

Danielle seemed perfectly comfortable living her life without the other housewives in it, she had moved on, she was involved in her daughter’s modeling career and youngest daughters’ singing career. Danielle threw a charity event/sweet 16 birthday party for her daughter, she began a search for her birth mother. While early on in the season, Danielle did invite Dina and Jacqueline to a luncheon she organized, this was simply because Dina had been texting Danielle with words of encouragement and kindness and Jacqueline had not been honest about her decision to cut Danielle out of her life.

While the Real Housewives of New Jersey was criticized widely for putting together an entire season with so little happening just hating Danielle Staub as the only topic of the show, still the ratings soared.

The major difference between The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and the Real Housewives of New Jersey was that the Beverly Hills seemed more natural and the course of events really did just seem like the everyday lives of these six women. With New Jersey, everything seemed scripted, set up and pre-planned. All of these big “meetings” didn’t seem like something that these women would naturally do in their everyday lives. Who really does that? Who sets up a meeting with someone they don’t like to tell them they don’t like them and don’t want them in their lives? Even at casual dinners and the meetings, discussions seemed fake and an act for the cameras.

The good news is both of these series will return and will have to move past the one hit wonder disease. We already know that the New Jersey series has a big casting shake up. The main and only subject of the previous season, Danielle Staub will not be returning next season. The good news is that the two women who will replace Danielle Staub and Dina Manzo are both relatives of Teresa Giudice and reports are that she doesn’t get along with these two new housewives/relatives.

The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills seemed to have hashed out the Kyle comment on the show’s reunion. The two ladies detailed the entire conversation and while Camille did seem to finally admit that those exact words did not escape Kyle’s lips, she still seems to feel that Kyle’s attitude did reflect those feelings.

Let’s hope the Beverly Hills Housewives make a pact to move past this one incident that tore through the series and start with a whole new insult next season. The tension between Kyle and her sister Kim clearly has much more to be explored if these two women are willing to put it on camera. It is obvious that Taylor doesn’t like Kim yet wants to build a friendship with Kyle, this could continue to cause stress between these three women. Lisa has strong opinions and isn’t afraid to share them, her concern over Taylor’s agenda was evident and could certainly play a role next season.

Love her or hate her, Camille Grammer does lead an interesting life and if Bravo had any sense, they’d start filming her right now for next season. It could make for fascinating content as she is going through a court battle with Kelsey and she’s about to become a very rich divorcee. I wonder if Kelsey would let Bravo film his upcoming wedding, complete with the signing of a pre-nuptial agreement?

Finally Adrienne, a fascinating woman who may have avoided the majority of the drama this season, but she completes the circle and certainly holds it all together.

This franchise will only get more popular as these ladies have done what every good Housewives troop have done, made us angry, sad, laugh and cry with them, but most important we care about them and that is always the recipe for success.

Until Next Time….

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311 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin How Did They Do That? RHOBH v. RHONJ

  1. Sparkles says:

    Good insights, Lynn.

  2. plainviewsue says:

    I’m first to post! As always, a great writeup. The only thing I disagree with is the take on Danielle. While I do agree that the other ladies went overboard with her, esp Teresa and Ashley, this woman is not without blame. Setting up two empty seats at her luncheon for Christina (who wasn’t even there!), the entire storyline of the benefit dinner for the child with cancer are just two examples of her narcissism and bottom line craziness. She might not of attacked Caroline, but she was beyond disgusting to Chris.

    As for RHOBH, I found the final 15 minutes so disturbing. It truly was so hard to watch. These two sisters have to go into some very intense family therapy. There is obviously so many hard feelings through the years.

    I’ve been a huge fan of Kyle all season, but she definitely does have an edge. As for Taylor, I think she is the biggest trouble maker of them all.

    Love love Lisa!!!


    • error404 says:

      I’m with Lynn on this one. The Manzo clan need to put up or shut up. Two entire seasons of remarking on what a monster Danielle is with not one single concrete example. Even Camille was smart enough to know she had to provide an example, hence “Why would anyone be interested in you without Kelsey?”. Otherwise, it would just be 16 weeks of Camille claiming Kyle is a bully with out any evidence. There’s only so far “You know what you did!” can go.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        The whole ‘You know what you did’ accusation is so annoying to me because their vagueness isn’t being tactful or discreet for the sake or Danielle or her kids- but is actually an effort to camouflage their wrong action . What they are really saying is ‘You’re a snitch’.

      • nathania says:

        honestly I think when it comes down to it, the NJ women got stuck on that topic because it was all they had to talk about. Dina and Caroline were close but with Dina gone Caroline was forced to spend time with Jacqueline and Teresa, neither of whom she had much in common with. Jac and Teresa would never befriend each other without a common enemy (neither would Dina and Teresa, for that matter). There was nothing else drawing these women together, I think the sister relationship was supposed to be the draw and with that gone Danielle was the only commonality left. I know Jac and Caroline are sisters in law but there is tension there and I think Caroline is not the kind of liar that Jac can tolerate or prop up very well, just as she refused to do with Dina.

    • babykakes says:

      Their older sister should also particate in the thearpy…she is the oldest & would be able to contribute a lot re: their family dynamics. personally, i think Kathy Hilton is too selfish!

  3. boston02127 says:

    Lynn, Great blog, thanks. So true!

  4. Kellita says:

    Great points, Lynn!

    I completely agree that much of NJ seemed scripted and set up. I’m not even sure if I’ll be watching their next season. The constant bashing of Danielle in every episode made me so sick of them. I can barely stomach any of them, especially narcissistic Teresa.

    Loved BH, and I’m sad it’s over. But the limo scene was so disturbing to me, and my heart went out to Kim. I truly hope she and Kyle work on their various issues. Adrienne is to be commended for her role in protecting Kim, and attempting to make peace between the sisters.

    And now, onto NY! I can’t wait for that one.

  5. boston02127 says:

    Jill Zarin is a mean person but I think she’s a stupid and clueless mean person. Taylor is a sneaky mean person.

    • Kellita says:

      Totally! Taylor is very calculating. She’s an insecure, opportunistic social climber. She attacks the weak one of the pack (Kim) in order to becomes besties with the pack leader (Kyle). I felt more and more sorry for Russell with each episode.

      • Nancy says:

        People are finding a lot of info re: “Taylor’s” past. Hold onto your boots ’cause it’s going to be a bumpy ride. (Taylor’s going down folks!)

    • kukulet says:

      I agree, Boston. The big difference between Jill and Taylor is that Jill likes to stir up drama between herself and whomever she’s decided she isn’t forgiving this week. She usually has one purpose: to satisfy her need for vengeance. Jill’s objective is to destroy.

      Taylor likes to stir up drama between other people and then sit back and watch the fur fly while playing the innocent. She usually has a two fold purpose: getting the others on the outs with each other so she can slide in and play “friend” to one or both of them. Taylor’s objective is to divide and conquer.

      Taylor might be cannier than Jill to some degree, but she’s not as smart as she thinks she is. Considering the facade she tried to build as a former “Ford of Oklahoma” now married to a “successful” entrepeneur, putting herself in the limelight was dumb. All her lies are now being exposed, including her background and Russell’s business troubles.

      They’re both idiots.

      Kelly, on the other hand, is dumb AND crazy. (I just like asserting that whenever I can.)

    • error404 says:

      Camille = Jill IMO.

      Both take high offense at some random comment, just because they believe the comment implies they are anything less than the most fabulous person on earth.

      Both then proceed to tell the entire world what a monster that person was for saying that, and each retelling of the tale gets more and more embellished.

      They then try to somehow harm their perceived attacker, usually by attempting to lose them a job or some income.

      Taylor = Danielle IMO.

      Both are sneaky, viscous and manipulative causing tons of pain under the radar while effecting a “What? Me? I didn’t do a thing?” facade. Both hit below the belt and both love to dig up dirt on others despite having the most skeletons in their closet out of the entire cast. For someone who’s involved in a charity to help victims, Taylor’s hatred of Kim and frequent hints to Kim’s “state of mind” are shockingly insensitive. This woman shouldn’t be anywhere near abused women, she’s an abuser. Look at the way she treats her own husband.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        Look at the way she’s abusing Kim! Picking a fight with Kim to prove she didn’t start the NY fight, while starting another fight between Kim and Kyle, by saying that Kim said she rescued Kyle in NY! WHEW! She knows Kyle is abusive to Kim, yet she chooses to push Kyle’s buttons so she’ll get angry at Kim. Know your place Kyle. Don’t come between family.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Camille used the same MO as Jill in that being mean, turning others against the chosen victim is enough – hit them where it really hurts – their livelihood.

      • twoile says:


      • ImaJillHater2 says:

        Yes, yes and YES! You nailed ’em!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I think they are both calculating, when JZ said she didn’t think she would be back on the show if Alex was on- or said that Alex was spread eagle in the lobby of her husbands hotel-she knew exactly what she was doing.

      The difference I see between the two is that at least Jill champions for who she sees is the underdog and vets her anger and hostility towards a capable opponent.
      While Taylor likes to tug at what she thinks is the weakest link.

      • Anne says:

        Of course Jill knew what she was doing when she was talking about Alex at the reunion. But, we all saw the fact that the pictures that Alex took full frontal nudity were taken at the Chandler Hotel, which I believe has now changed names in NYC.

        Jill at the renunion went after Alex because Alex as attacking her comments about Bethenny. I know Lynn loves her and I will catch hell, but that is patently obvious in viewing the reunion.

        Jill goes after anyone she believe is attacking her or going after her. Taylor might actually believe it was a very minor problem she caused and is now trying to cover it up.

        Without knowing more about Taylor it is hard to judge. She covered-up a statement she made to Kim and Camille, big deal. IMO. How many times have we all done that in order to detract heat from us? It is normal. It is not evil. We need more evidence to support the notion that Taylor is subversive. IMO.

  6. FlowerPower says:

    It’s taken me a couple of days to get through the blogs on this one. I must admit that toward the end of the season I had softened a bit toward Taylor–until the last episode. Yikes. What a piece of work! Wasn’t there a quick moment when Lisa told her not to get between Kyle and Kim because there was a lot going on there?

    I hated how Kyle went after Kim, but I’m willing to suspend my disgust for her just a bit, since we really don’t know the whole story. Even though BH comes off as more genuine than NJ (honestly, NJ seemed so contrived and nasty, I just couldn’t watch), there is editing. Yes, the housewives need to own what comes out of their mouths, but we need to remember that those remarks aren’t the only remarks they’ve made. Footage is still edited to craft the story the producers find most compelling. We don’t know what hits the cutting room floor. They did catch some very raw and revealing moments with the Richards sisters that got a lot of people talking. I just hope that the fallout from having that all on tv doesn’t irreparably damage that family (and the kids involved).

    As painful as it was to watch that last episode, I gotta say, I want to know what happens next with these women. The NJ cast can disappear in a puff of foul-smelling green smoke. I hope the BH women stick around (even Camille…shudder).

  7. Vcosentino says:

    Hello everyone!
    I am going to miss watching the Beverly Hills series every Thursday evenings 😦
    I do think it is time to move on from them for a while and start watching other shows. I am anticipating NY because that is where I am from and I feel that I can relate better to them because I live in the same geographic region, as the same case with NJ. It is interesting to me how the small distance between NYC and Bergen County, NJ creates a vast disparity between social status, behavior and etiquette. I actually did like Danielle Staub and I really thought she meant well and her past was continuously thrown to her face. She was the fun type of crazy(I hope). I wish her success and happiness and I hope that she continues to be true to herself. I am excitied to see Melissa Gorga. She seems to be a really nice lady and It will be a truly wonderful experiance to see how Tri reacts to her. I think that Teresa’s true colors started to show and now we will see another feature of Teresa’s personality.
    The NJ ladies are just trashy guidettes living in marble mansions.
    NY is my favorite series. I am going to be rooting for Sonja because I think that she is the classiest out of them all and is not afraid to expose and reveal her life to us. Jill Zarin used to be my favorite until she blocked me from twitter and I cannot comment on her facebook anymore either. Seems to me that she blocks people who happen to follow the IHJZ blog. I was saddened by that because despite all she said and did, and I was willing to continue to support her. This blog is not all about JZ so I found no harm in reading this blog. Blocking a person who actually likes you is ludicrous to me and it shows that she truly is one sided, myopic, and does not handle criticism well. Oh well, no major loss for me.
    I will not be watching Bethenny Ever After. I do like Bethenny but I want a break from reality TV and I will only watch one hour a week of it! This has been too much for me to keep track of Atlanta and Beverly Hills. I will not watch OC because I never had an interest for them. I really hope DC comes back sans the Salamis! Lynda is my favorite HW out of all of them!

    • TLM says:

      The NJ Ladies are trashy guidettes, however, amazingly, they don’t have long acrylic talons like their Jerseylicious and Jersey Shore neighbors. I think they almost all have short natural nails. One of those anomalies…

      • Vcosentino says:

        Maybe that is a South Jersey/Shore trait? haha. who knows lol. I never noticed that. I am 100 % Italian and I was born there as well. I do not display any of Teresa’s or Manzo behaviors. Teresa does give a bad name for italians. She really does not speak it properly either. She speaks a dialect of Italian which I understand, however, I also speak standard Italian fluently due to the fact that it was my minor in college and I visited Italy frequently for long periods of time. Teresa and her husband are “mountain”italian people which really is a pejorative(spelling?) remark because they usually are low class people and unfortunately it shows. I come from the same region as she does, however, my town is considered to be in the province of Naples and generally those people are more urbane and and sophisticated then their counterparts in the mountains. Again, I love all italians so to me it does not make a difference where you come from. It is just that regional traits do distinguish levels of education and behavioral traits.

        • error404 says:

          I’m shocked she’s not Sicilian! LOL

          My grandmother was from south Lazio, and would become indignant if someone suggested she was “Neopolitan”. She was “Roman” and don’t you forget it! lol

          These prejudices are funny, especially today as we’ve become so nomadic. I remember going down south back around 1970 and feeling like I was in another world. My parents were jonesing for iced coffee and they couldn’t find it anywhere south of the mason-dixon line. Growing up in RI, we kids drank coffee syrup in our milk instead of chocolate.

          • Kellita says:

            I remember coffee syrup! I was born in RI and lived there for the first 5 yrs of my life. My parents used to be coffee syrup whenever they visited there. Lol

          • Vcosentino says:

            That’s too funny and very true. The further south one is from, the more you are looked down upon. During my trips to Italy I would also stay up North in Milano/Milan and they loathed the Southern Italians. Luckily I consider myself to American so there was not any prejudices against me. Romans are even more sophisticated then Neopolitans. And Milanese think they are the best because they have the most money and economic advantages, hence most Italian immigrants are Southern Italian.
            Are the Manzos/Lauritas Sicilian? I have always wondered. Caroline definately has a Sicilian personality and her daughter Lauren looks Sicilian too, so I would not be surprised if they are Sicilians.

          • Anne says:

            Really Lazio is considered country in Italy and to any Italian in Italy. I have an apartment in Milan next to the Duomo and I have worked there for years in I-Banking. It is common that if you are Lazio you are thought of being provincial.

            Naples has had a University for 800 years which is older than Cambridge and Oxford. Salerno another city south of Naples had the first Medical School in the Europe and still operating and considered by FT as a top 10 Medical School in Europe.

            Naples had the first opera house in the World and it still operates called the San Carlo.

            Naples was part of the Kindgom of the Two Sicilies which was part of the Bourbon Empire.

            No to any Italian who knows history and culture Lazio aside from Rome you are in the province and that is in 2011.

    • Anne says:


      I have to disagree. You will find a huge number of Hedge Funds guys in Bergen. Blackstone CEO lives in Bergen County. If you know old NJ money you wouldn’t say that. Even the Forbes family who publish the Social Register are from and live in NJ.

      Bravo choose the cast for NJ to look like the Sopranos who were in Bergen County. The music in the beginning is stereotypical Italo-American music. It was take-off on how success the Sopranos were. Mafia relationships. If they do a Chicago show should we have Blago and all the corruption of the Daley’s…even Kennedy couldn’t get elected without kissing his ring of Richard J. Daley.

      Bravo is making a show and that is it. It has absolutely no representation of any State or City. It is a mere show and looks to create rating and drama. Period end of story.

      Bravo’s most successful in rating is first NJ and depending on the season Atlanta or NYC. Drama breeds success and not the attributes of the State. If you look at both Forbes and Bloomberg reports on the states with the most wealthy people it is first CT and then NJ not NY. Well DC is after CT actually, but it isn’t state so, CT and then NJ 2010 numbers.

      Drama breeds ratings and not what the state or people represent.

  8. NYCer says:

    It’s hard to believe Kim’s problem with alcohol is as bad as Kyle says. Why would Kyle recommend that her alcoholic sister be on tv? Why would Kim still have custody of her kids? Why would Lisa (who seemed to know the “secret” all along) set up an alcoholic with one of her good friends, Martin? Also for a franchise that has built ratings off the drunken scenes of Gretchen, Ramona, Kelly, NeNe, Kim, Vicky, Tamra, Lynn, and Sonja, why was Kim never shown in that state? I just wonder if Kyle is exaggerated the “burden” this has placed on her, considering no one in that family, which includes the Hiltons, is hurting for money to help out. Plus, Kim describes her ex-husband as having a gate and a butler, so I’d be surprised if she didn’t have some alimony.

    The saddest part about this finale is that Kim thought it would be a fun night- she got a makeup lesson and a new dress! She had no idea that bitch Taylor would ruin it. And once again she’s left alone in the limo- poor thing.

    • kukulet says:

      I don’t know if Kim’s problem with alcohol is as bad as Kyle suggested-although I do believe that she does have a problem. Maybe Kyle thought that, if Kim saw herself on television, it might be a wakeup call? Plus, Kim said recently on an episode that she wants to start acting again, and maybe both of them thought doing the series might help Kim do that, with all the related public exposure. I don’t think either of them expected the season to go the way it did.

      Kyle may be exaggerating-it’s hard to say. And she may have used poor judgment in advising Kim to do the show. But I don’t think she did it maliciously.

      • error404 says:

        Drinking isn’t the problem, it’s just the most frequent thing these dysfunctional sisters argue about.

        IMHO, here’s the core issue:

        Kim is an oddball loner who made a career out of playing oddball characters on tv and in the movies. It’s why she’s popular with fans.

        Kyle is a popular girl who craves “normalcy” and always travels in a pack. It’s why she’s popular with people she knows.

        These two can barely walk a city block without Kyle suddenly screaming “OMG you freak! Look at the way you’re walking! You’re embarrassing me!”

        Kim’s being “different” has been a thorn in Kyle’s side long before Kim ever titled her first bottle IMHO.

        • kukulet says:

          I don’t disagree with you on the whole, but if Kim is an alcoholic, then her drinking IS a problem, especially for her kids. It’s not just grist for arguments.

          • error404 says:

            definitely, its a major problem that eclipses everything. But it’s not “ground zero” for their issues. Their issues color how they deal with Kim’s addiction.

            • Kukulet says:

              Oh, okay…I see what you mean. The difference in their personalities is the basis for their conflict…I agree with that.

              Kim’s drinking might be one of the elements at”Ground Zero”, though- depending on how long she’s had the problem and how long she’s refused to seek treatment for it. I could definitely see that it might be one of the primary reasons Kyle is so intolerant of Kim…if Kim has a long history of alcohol abuse, Kyle’s impatience might have started with that, among other things, and now extends further than it should.

              In any case, they could both benefit from family counseling.

            • quincyil says:

              and money…

              Money from Mauricio every month ….so much so that it’s like having a second wife.

              Money is at issue.

              • Adgirl says:


              • Sparkles says:

                I agree that money must be part of it but it could also be a matter of supporting Kim in terms of getting her out of jams.

                • WindyCityWondering says:

                  And raising her kids for her – Kim got pissed that her kids went to Kyle for advice.

                  • Sha2000 says:

                    Part of being a good & supportive aunt is listening to your nieces when they need advice regarding their mother, from someone who knows their dynamics, etc. I don’t know if uncles get these phone calls for advice ( doubt it, it’s more a female thing) but it’s part of an Aunts job to be supportive and give advice. Mother, daughter, sister, aunt, it’s all tied together & normal for these kids to look to Kyle for insight; who would know their mother better after all? I’ve gotten these calls for advice too, we all have.

  9. error404 says:

    Why these two?

    s3 of RHoNY was 16 weeks of unending drama revolving around a voicemail made off camera months before the season even started. “You need to get a hobby!” is iconic at this point.

    RHoDC can be boiled down to “Did you or did you not have an actual invitation to the white house?”

    RHoAt will always be Nene vs Kim. Phaedra tried to co-op the entire season with “I’m having the baby 2 months early as it’s already 10 lbs” or whatever nonsense she spewed, but nobody eclipses Neim (Nene + Kim) and “you’re slave is right behind you!” will live in infamy.

    You could probably expand upon this idea and boil every franchise down to one sentence. That might be kinda interesting actually. I have no idea what happens in most of them, so… Does RHoOC actually have any plot?

    • quincyil says:

      Never underestimate the power of women to bicker. I learned that two score and ten years ago.

      The designs of the show where there are interviews are pure genius. You show someone a clip or tell them what someone else has said out of context and let the person react.

      In the real world people gossip, but you don’t hear their gossip. If you do hear something, you don’t call them on it unless you are Jill Zarin.

      There are patterns in all of Bravo’s shows. Look at MM or Tabatha’s show.

      I love looking at the houses of NYC and BH. NJ, Atlanta and OC are a little too close to normal so not as interesting.

      I had recorded the first show of Atlanta’s first season. I had that those original houses were huge. They were showing how wealthy they were to us, but now we know that is no longer true. Kim had handfuls of 100 dollar bills at one point.

      • Sha2000 says:

        And we saw Teresa pay over $100,000 in cash for furniture to decorate her new house too, remember? What joke that is now. I remember thinking, how does a woman with grammar as bad as her’s & obiviously an IQ to match doing so well? Now I know the answer; things aren’t always what it seems.

    • jezzibel says:

      I think Kelly managed to eclipse the voicemail thing by her mental break on the island. It’s going to be interesting to see how her castmates are going to be around her after that, if I wear a castmate that witnessed that first hand I would’nt film with her alone and if it was a group setting I would ensure I was always on the opposite side of wherever she was.

      • Anne says:

        Well the only people who have a problem with Kelly are Ramona and Alexa. Ramona is usually drunk with her life-support of Pinot Grigio, so she won’t really care. Alex will make a big stink about it and that is that.

        Sonia will suprise you this season on her relationship with Alexa and it won’t be all peaches and cream.

        Sonia is pretty good friends with Kelly, so I don’t think they will have as much trouble as you think. The drama was between Bethenny and Kelly. Bethenny is no longer on the show, so you might be surprised.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Error, its funny that you say that, I started to go on and on with each franchise then I realized how long it was and (I mean, it was really long) and so I cut it off at these two, someday I’ll post the rest! 🙂

  10. Obsessed with RH says:

    I was just reading some of the blogs at bravotv.com and Taylor has yet to put up a new one but one of the comments brought to light an excellent point. On WWHL Taylor said that her last name was Taylor and her first name was Shana and that she changed her first name to Taylor because everyone used her last name at work. However, Taylor’s last name wasn’t Taylor, it was HUGHES in her yearbook so she is consistently lying or trying to cover something up. How many times has she changed her name and what’s the REAL reason? If anyone knows I’d be really interested in the answer.

    • error404 says:

      it might be something about birth dad’s name vs step dad’s name, etc…

      If you look at the 3 “Richards” sisters, they each have like 3 or 4 last names to choose from. I can see why Kathy goes with Hilton, and Kim goes with Richards, but why Kyle goes by Richards is baffling.

      • Obsessed with RH says:

        But then she would have had to change her last name twice, once from Hughes to Taylor and then from Taylor to Armstrong. Anyone know what her given/birth name was?

        • Obsessed with RH says:

          I just found something that says Taylor went from Shana Hughes, to Taylor Ford, to Taylor Armstrong….

          Her little story on WWHL doesn’t even come into that string.

      • Kukulet says:

        I think Kyle just uses “Richards” as a stage name. She said in the first episode that her name is “Kyle Richards Umansky”, so she probably does use the “Umansky” legally.

      • missmi says:

        I dont believe Kathy was ever Kathy Richards. She had her fathers last name, although he was absent from her life for the most part. Kathy was raised by Ken Richards, however he never adopted her.

        • TLM says:

          Is Kathy Hilton a half-sister to Kyle and Kim? Never knew.

        • error404 says:

          all of Kathy acting work (Bewitched, Family Affair, etc…) was as “Kathy Richards”

          Since this was the 60s on LI, it makes sense that she would take her step father’s name. It’s not like today in BH, where Farah can have a different name than everyone else in her family and no one bat’s an eye.

      • If You Had It Like This says:

        I think Taylor is something of a grifter. A shape shifter, if you will.
        An Oklahoma girl who changed her name and her looks and went after the Beverly Hills lifestyle.

        It was interesting to find out that Kathy Hilton’s bio dad is not the same as Kyle and Kim. She took the Richards name after her mother married her second husband.

    • Sparkles says:

      This was discussed towards the end of the comments section on the last blog, where someone posted a link to realfauxhousewives. Bottom line is that Shana Hughes from Oklahoma apparently reinvented herself as Taylor Ford, telling people that she was from the famous Ford family. She then became Taylor Ford Armstrong until appearing on RHOBH, where she dropped the Ford (maybe because her stories would not withstand scrutiny).
      Sparkles Trump Rockefeller Carnegie

      • Obsessed with RH says:

        Thanks Sparkles, I just found that website as well. My question is why did she lie on WWHL where she said her name was S. Taylor and her last name was Taylor? That isn’t even true according to her string of names!

        • Obsessed with RH says:

          I meant her last name was never even Taylor….sorry..I need to proofread better.

          • kukulet says:

            Unless she was married before Russell, and Taylor was her married name.

            • Sparkles says:

              I had the same theory but was corrected here…apparently Taylor claimed on WWHL that she used the name Taylor because it was her last name and people in high school used to call her by her last name. So the marriage theory wouldn’t work.

              • Rabble Rouser says:

                I think it’s because Taylor was and is a liar.

                I’m sure the truth is she crafted the name Taylor Ford- because has a hip and trendy heir-ass ring to it; it was all part of her grifter master plan.

                There was no way on WWHL she was going to tell the truth, especially when it wasn’t verifiable at that moment. Just looking at her interactions and denials with Kim have have taken place proves she is liar.

                She married a liar and a thief, it isn’t a coincidence she hooked up with someone with those same qualities. The same way it wasn’t completely random that Joe and the Gorilla hooked up.

        • Sparkles says:

          That’s a good question, obsessed. Maybe that answer (to her) sounded better than saying that she created a whole new persona?

          Time and again, however, when someone with a dubious past goes on reality TV, the truth starts to eventually seep out.

          • Obsessed with RH says:

            I also read something that said that “Taylor’s debut shot on the show was of her stepping out of a bright yellow Rolls Royce drop head (convertible) – a car that anyone who spends any amount of time in Beverly Hills knows does NOT belong to her. It belongs to Bijan Pakzad, the fashion designer. It’s a fixture on Rodeo Drive, it’s parked outside of his boutique practically every day. ”

            Yet another lie by Taylor/Shana/S.Taylor aka Jane Doe?

            • quincyil says:

              Wow… I don’t think many people knew this so thanks for sharing.

            • Sparkles says:

              fyi Stoopid Housewives has posted on her site that she’s got something (a theory? some dirt? not sure) coming up on Taylor/Russell.

            • WindyCityWondering says:

              Kind of like the “house” Salahi filmed her tryout in….never hers, it was being remodeled. Lies/excuses/lies.

          • nathania says:

            You know, it’s interesting when coupled with the story about domestic violence as well. Because, if that was her surname, Ford, then essentially she’s saying that the famous Fords of Oklahoma’s son beat the h*ll out of her mother back in the day. It’s so funny when lies collide.

            • Anne says:

              Who are the famous Fords of Oklahoma? Henry Ford was born, raised and died in Michigan. Ford, the company is HQ’d in Michigan.

              Who are these famous Fords of Oklahoma?

      • error404 says:

        actually, by maiden name was error 411. I’m heir to the famous 411 phone directory dynasty.

          • Kansas Girl says:

            The 411 family is a good one! Better than being heir to the 911 dynasty — they’re all drama queens and think everything’s an emergency!

        • quincyil says:

          rotfl… You should get a Nobel for Humor on that one.

          A friend from the board and I were looking at Taylor and Russell’s Nobel Charitable Foundation which seems not to be a tax exempt charity. Looking at the controversy about that charity makes you wonder.

          • Sparkles says:

            what do you think that means, Quincy?

            • quincyil says:

              The man who founded the Nobel Charity is a relative, but he changed his name to Nobel. The Charitity has been established for a while, but only claims to have given $10,000 away. The man who founded the charity also serves as an advisor to Russell’s company.

              The Nobel family had filed a suit against the use of the name “Nobel” at one point.

              Russell and Taylor are in photos with Prince Charles of England. Supposedly, they have have a charity in common with the Prince, but I don’t know if it is this charity. I know that Prince Charles is interested in alternative forms of energy which this charity supposedly support.

              I don’t know what it all means, but like others here, I feel that something is just not right with Taylor and Russell.

              • Sparkles says:


              • Kukulet says:

                Do the Armstrongs not realize that Prince Charles has probably had his photo taken with about 4 million people? If they are using a photo to give themselves some kind of credibility, it’s a big fail.


              • nathania says:

                So, at this point I have to ask…is there a grifter playbook out there somewhere? Because this sounds exactly like the modus operandi of the Salahis. At least Lynne’s family on OC were just outright thieves, lol, and didn’t get all charitorious and schmoozey about it.

              • ImaJillHater2 says:

                Gotta’ tell you – when I saw that photo, my first thought was it must be photoshopped!

                I’m not believing its “for real”.

                For real – I don’t believe it! Nope!

        • twoile says:

          Gr8 1 E, lol:0)

    • Nancy says:

      “Taylor” and Russell have a past and it’s going to come out soon.

  11. missmi says:

    I agree with the earlier post regarding Danielle and her contribution to the craziness. Although she did not see them on her own, she was just as consumed with them avoiding her. Im gonna miss the BH ladies and I like how the wealth seemed to take a backseat this time. Seems like the ones that don’t really have money tend to want to shove it in your face that they do. The financially secure HW’s tend to have more genuine emotions and interactions. Whether you like what it is or not. So this leads to a prediction. I see Taylor going down the path of financially distressed housewife. I believe her attitude, b-day party flashiness, opportunist friendship, picking on the weak, unhappy wife, no clear business even though thats why they are married, will crumble!! It reeks of a FAKE LIFE!!

  12. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    While I agree that Taylor is a snake, and I do not like the way she treated Kim at the party, am I the only one that caught the altered reality Kim has painted of the NY dinner?
    Kim tells Taylor that “You all, all of you, were stirring the pot and I took my sister aside and tried to warn her and then I got her out of there.” Taylor responds with “That is not what happened. You had the chance to defend your sister, you did not take it, and YOU did not take Kyle out of there, LISA did.” Kim says again that SHE is the one who took Kyle out of the situation and Taylor repeats “you could have said, Kyle did not say that. You sat there and LISA took Kyle out of there, leaving you sitting alone” or something to that effect. In her mind, Kim sees a completely different scenario. She really seems to remember that she is the one who left with Kyle and we all saw that Taylor’s version is what really happened.
    What was that all about? Kim DID finally say she never heard Kyle say anything like what Camille “heard” but it was in a talking head interview. She DID just sit there, and she DID NOT attempt to get Kyle to leave, she just kept saying “you better watch it” to Kyle (she says that to Kyle many times throughout the season!) which just sounded strange!

    • Kukulet says:

      No, you’re not the only one who caught that. (Although Kim WAS telling the truth about the interaction between her and Taylor at LAX-Taylor was the one who twisted that around.)

      I also noticed that Kim told Kyle that “these TWO are not your friends”-pointing to Lisa and Taylor-and then told Lisa she didn’t mean Lisa, she just meant Taylor. That was an odd exchange.

      • error404 says:

        they’ve all said that the fight at dinner went on for hours and we only saw a little bit of it on tv. Who are we to say Kim manufactured things? We don’t have a court transcript of everything that was said and done.

        I also feel like I hear things others don’t hear and vice versa, but I can’t be bothered to rewatch. lol ex: I was shocked by how many said Kyle said Mauricio sent Kim money as I never heard those words. The exact quote was in an article I read, so I now know that I was right, Kyle never mentioned money at all, but I can also see how everyone made the assumption they do. “He supports you every month” probably doesn’t mean emotional support/friendship. Anywho, I thought Kim said something like “I took her aside” which is entirely possible, but Taylor just jumped to the conclusion that she meant she exited the building with Kyle at the end. As soon as Kim admonished Kyle for taking Camille’s bait and flipping out like a friggin psycho, I knew that both Kim was right and that Kyle wouldn’t never see it that way.

        • quincyil says:

          Kim also said at one point that she told Camille that she could not be her friend. It seems there was a lot of things that went on and we only see part of the whole.

          • Amber...Real Wife says:

            And that’s sad if indeed she stopped her friendship with Camille over the Kyle bullsh*t. Camille defended Kim in Vegas when Kyle was belittling her. She said she admired Kim for being a single mom. Now she’s a single mom too and they have even more in common beside being a victim of Kyle’s vicious tongue!

    • Sparkles says:

      I think it is at best presumptuous, and at worst cruel, for Taylor to interject herself into Kyle and Kim’s relationship and encourage a fight between the sisters. If she were truly Kyle’s friend, she would not do this. It was like lighting a match near gasoline.

      In contrast, Lisa and Adrienne’s actions showed the opposite.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      If you also notice – everything has to be repeated to Kim – she may have difficulty processing thought/response. If you watch the finale fight and listen only to her you will be surprised how on the offensive she really was.

      • twoile says:

        Good observation…Kim may have audio intergration difficulties..which could certainly account 4 Kims’ hesitation in responding under pressure (confrontation). This situation would possibly lead people (kyle) 2 think Kim was incapacitated 2 a degree…IMHO.

  13. error404 says:

    next season intro tag line suggestions:

    “I’m ready to come out of my husband’s shadow, and sell all of his secrets to the tabloid press”

    “In a town full of kiss-and-tell star-fuckers, I’m not afraid to get famous by exposing my sister”

  14. missmi says:

    Its funny though, why would Taylor look to Kim then to stop things at the dinner party from hell. Between herself, Adrienne and Lisa she told meak Kim to stand up and call a truce. I always thought that was odd.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I think Taylor was looking at Adrienne not Kim and Kim chimed in with why don’t you and started a side fight. I give Taylor props for calling the end of the table wars.

      • missmi says:

        Maybe. But I cant see Taylor pointing at Adrienne and telling her what to do. If she did say something to Adrienne I cant see Adrienne not doing anything while 2 fights are happening.

      • nathania says:

        makes me wonder if she was afraid the psychic might pop off and say something like ‘and Taylor is a total phony’ and she was trying to beat a path to the door before that happened.

    • twoile says:

      I think it was to stop-gap the inevitable out pouring of truth as 2 what Taylor said vs what Taylor said she said.

  15. nancy says:

    Hi all. Inregards to “child support” that Kim got from her x. These children are for the most part in their 20’s. So no child support. Yes she may get spousal support of $250,000 but how far can that get you in Californis? Also, to her drinking issues I believe it may be more than drinking. If you watch her mouth she has a twitch and grinds her mouth. This is a sign of drug use be it legal meds or other wise. Just my take. I am so glad to be back posting.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kim is on that site that tells net worth at $20 million. If that is correct then I don’t know why Kyle’s family has to bail her out monthly. And child support does end so she may only be collecting for two of the four added to $250,000 annually alimony for life should take care of living expenses so my bottomline is Kim is not in charge of her money or makes foolish financial decisions. So maybe that Palm Spring’s house wasn’t so much stolen as it was bailed out by Kyle, who then made sure it stays in the family but not under Kim’s control.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I don’t always trust those sites to always be 100% accurate. I really doubt she has that kind of money yet has to rent a house.

        I think that maybe Gregg Davis might be worth that (the Davis family is reportedly lost their billions over the years)

        • nathania says:

          is this the Davis family that has a son on celebrity rehab right now? I think his name is Jason, and another son Brandon who runs with the Hiltons? They are supposed to be oil heirs or something.

  16. nancy says:

    Also want to add that these older children live at home to watch over their mother. IMHO. To me, many of her relatives have had to take care of Kim. Yes, what Kyle did should not have been done in front of the cameras. But to me she had just had enough. Let Kim take care of herself but I don’t think she can. Plus I believe that Kyle loves her so much that she won’t ban Kim from her life. I hope Kim gets the much needed help that she needs.

    • error404 says:

      I got the impression from all of Kyle’s henpecking and criticism during the house hunting that not all, if possibly none of Kim’s kids live with her full time. Whitney couldn’t get out of there fast enough! A decision Kyle supported 110%. I’m sure there are tons of valid reasons for this, and how do we know what goes on in a stranger’s private life.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Kim’s nest is emptying out quickly – not wanting her daughter to spend the summer with her father, not agreeing with her getting an apartment when she returned – another should be ready to go to college in a year – leaving just one (heaven help her!). Kim saying she needs a house with bedrooms for all was sad because the kids will not be coming back and she can’t accept that reality.

  17. WindyCityWondering says:

    BH has real wealth that is part of the background. Taylor is what I envision as a real BH trophy wife complete with expiration date. She loves to gossip but it is part of the landscape as well. Since Taylor and Adrienne were supposed to be friends prior to the season it was weird that they never got together seperately for a scene. While they are all BH players it doesn’t strike me as their real lives are all that similar.
    NJ on the other hand has no real wealth and falls on the family is everything sword too much. Too much of the cast is related and that doesn’t interest me – we all have families! And the everyone hate Danielle theme didn’t appeal to me either. In all fairness there wasn’t much to work with in NJ and what they did do reeked of being planned ahead/scripted and boring.
    BH has a symphony yet to play and sadly NJ has one note (and I am not sure even that was played correctly).

  18. Amber...Real Wife says:

    You know for someone who doesn’t have her back, Kyle sure does expect alot from Kim doesn’t she? She needs her to prep her party, even though she’s moving on the same day. She’s got to show up for the graduation, which Kim does proudly, because Kathy and Paris are a no-show and Kyle can’t appear to by sans family. She constantly criticizes Kyle, for being single, tardy for any party, an overprotective parent, socially inept etc. Who wouldn’t drink with all of this shit being tossed at you? LOL

    The way Kyle has tortured Kim with the “you didn’t have my back” routine and that her friends blame Kim for her silence, is criminal. If Kim is sad, unstable and a drunk, wouldn’t that constant emotional guilting by Kyle push her further to depression and drink? I never liked Kyle from the episode where she blasted Kim’s past love life in front of the other wives and husbands in Vegas. I never saw where she had Kim’s back this season. To the contrary, I saw her undermine Kim with her children, ridicule her, and get angry with her when she was unable to come to Kyles beck and call.

    Kyle’s friends have been given carte blanche to to laugh at, pick on and threaten Kim, because Kyle allows it. Imagine Kyles pre-introduction of Kim…

    Kyle: ” My sister’s coming today. She is so annoying but I promised my mom, on her deathbed, that I would take care of her. She’s a drunk who is always embarassing me, she’s always late, doesn’t have social skills, can’t keep a man because she’s a mess and always starts problems. Be nice if you can, but I’ll understand if you don’t because she’s a pain in the ass and gets on my last nerve too! Oh here she comes…what the hell is she wearing…Kim over here!”

    LOL I entertained myself!

    • nancy says:

      I really do not agree, with all do respect. Kim would be nothing without Kyle’s help, her children’s help, family help and all those who kept quiet about Kim’s drinking all season.

      • error404 says:


        where did you get that from! Kim was a “somebody” Kyle never even go to be, way back before Kyle was out of diapers!

        and Amber has a point, if Kyle really is Kim’s biggest supporter, it’s obviously done off screen and in secret, because everything Amber described above is exactly what Bravo showed us on TV.

        Nancy, I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying that your theory requires a lot of reading between the lines, while’s Amber’s theory is based on what Bravo actually showed us.

        We’ll probably never know what really goes on in that family, which is only right. It’s private and quite frankly, the Richards sisters have told us too much already IMO.

        • nancy says:

          Point take. Again, I ask why her 2o plus aged childen live with her. Remeber how she did not want one daughter to live with her father for the sommer? Something is not right. I belive it’s to take care of her that her older children live there.Kim does have the odd mouth twich which one gets from meds by Dr.’s. Thorazine, ets. Plus alcohol abuse.

          • Amber...Real Wife says:

            Maybe her older kids are living the Cedric life! LOL Who knows, in this economy, why they choose to live at home. Paid rent, clean laundry, full fridge, home cooked meals? Irresistable to Cedric! Her 20 yer old daughter wanted to go to Houston to visit her dad and her boyfriend. Many mom’s would worry about an out of state kid, courtship and extended stay.

          • BChick says:

            My 20+ daughter still lives with me and I’m a bit offended by the suggestion that there is something wrong if they are still at home. We are a very close nit family. When I had my children I welcomed the life-long commitment of raising them. They will always be my children no matter how old they are. Now my daughter is not lazy or a free loader. She goes to school full-time and works full-time. She has a nice bank account with an incredible amount of money saved. She’s just a logical thinker and knows the expense of being out on her own. As a mother, I worry about her safety as well. How often do we hear of young women turning up missing? I’m reassured to know that she is safe under my roof. Maybe that is how Kim feels. I hate to break it to some of you but many of my daughter’s friends still live at home as well and are productive Young adults. I hate how so many tell their children that they are out once they are 18. I ask “Why did you have children if you couldn’t wait for them to leave?” I love my family more than words can say and they will know when the time is right for them to strike out on there own. It’s no one else’s place to judge.

            • BambiBaby22 says:

              Thank you for saying that BCHick, my oldest will be going to college in the fall and she will live at home. I don’t want ANY of my kids to move out until they are married, as long as they are going to school and or working.
              I want them to be able to stay here and save thier money so when it is time to fly the coop, they have an emergency fund in place and don’t have to rely on credit cards to get by.
              I honestly do not know how it became “normal” in the US for kids to move out so early.
              As a matter of fact, in most countries, college students DO live with mom and dad.
              I once saw an episode of “cribs”(?) featuring Rod Stewart and his very successful twenty something daughter lives in a smaller house on his property. I liked that.

            • nancy says:

              And that is my point. My 19 year old lives with us, going to school ( Pharmacy ) plus works 20 hours a week. What do these children do? Take care of mom.

              • Anne says:

                We have no knowledge to the effect that Kim’s children take care of her. Where is the evidence to support that assertion? Not saying it is wrong, but I would like to see it.

                Oh and to Cedric’s point even British families these days with wealthy Brits their children live at home well into their 50s. But, they are their children and Cedric is only Kato under another name it seems.

            • buffywood says:

              I think it is very wise for children to come back home during/after getting their education or while they are working. It allows them to save up their money to give themselves a good start in life.

        • nancy says:

          Don’t we all seem to read between the lines on this blog? Nothing wrong with this we we all do.

        • nancy says:

          Hmmm I thought we all like being told things that RHW’S should not put out there.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        That’s okay, with disagreeing, that’s why we have flavors! 😉

        I believe Kim would still be “something” without Kyle. She’d still be a mother, daughter sister friend etc. I find it suspect that everyone “kept quiet” about Kim’s drinking all season. Who kept quiet, Kyle, Lisa and Taylor? REALLY!! They kept quiet until Kyle let it fly and now needs back up to justify her behaviour.

        BRAVO kept quiet too? The biggest regret per the producer, was not getting “the comment” that forged the battle of Kyle vs. Camille! Now BRAVO either dropped the ball again, or chose not to show any film of Kim being an alcoholic or shitfaced to “protect” her? I don’t think so! BRAVO isn’t that kind. They’ve shown countless wives getting plastered throughout the franchises. BH’s too. Yet they didn’t have but one occasion where Kim appeared to be drunk? Not buying it.

        This alcoholic issue came up at the wrap party and again at the reunion. BRAVO had months to edit the film on Kim, all they could come up with was her goofiness, feeling left out amongst the wives, smothering her kids and being Kyle’s redheaded stepchild. The two other occasions/fights, NY dinner and Dinner from Hell, everyone was drinking. The women were agitated, yelling and out of character. Except for Kyle! She was just being herself! LOL

        Could Kim be an alcoholic? Absolutely. Was the evidence or proof of it, i.e. drinking excessively/drunk, caught or shown on film? Absolutely not!

        • error404 says:

          ITA with everything except Lisa and Taylor staying quiet until after the limo ride. Both have been dropping hints that there is something “off” about Kim all season long. I love Lisa, but her thinly concealed Kim bashing has never sat right with me. Every single episode had Lisa giving some wink wink dig toward Kim, thinly disguised in the cloak of her famous “humor”.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I just remembered that in Lisa’s blog- or maybe it was the talking head something about the reason she was annoyed with Kim for not calling Martin was that Kim was in no condition to drive/and or drunk so Martin drove her home and had a friend follow them in his car- which took them hours out of their way.

          • If You Had It Like This says:

            Wow Error. You said a mouthful. I have felt the same way about Lisa’s behavior towards Kim.

        • JKW says:

          Someone who drinks or abuses drugs everyday can function day to day. They may have their moments but they are so used to the amt of whatever substance that they don’t come off drunk like someone who didn’t drink on a daily basis and was falling down drunk. So Kim not acting drunk doesn’t mean she isn’t an alcoholic.

          • Sha2000 says:

            And some are alcoholics privately in their homes. They get to work and are responsible citizens and you never would know unless you lived with them… I know this because I lived with one long ago. Sober by day, drinking until they pass out at night.

      • nathania says:

        Kyle? is that you? LOL.

        There is no proof I’ve seen that Kyle has done much for Kim but tear her down every chance she gets.

        I’m not sure what kind of support Mauricio is giving her. I think Kim’s kids live with her because they want to. They can’t do better on their own. If they don’t want to move, why should they.

    • Shannon says:

      I completely agree Amber. Kyle seems to enjoy causing Kim pain, because if she didn’t she wouldn’t say things about her in public to embarrass her.

    • Kellita says:

      Perfectly said, @Amber!
      And, IMHO, no matter what Kim’s drinking issues look like off camera, none of that gives Kyle the right to belittle her constantly, and then assault her in the limo. Kyle’s behavior toward her sister all season has been abusive.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I totally agree with you.
      Lisa who is probably the closet to Kyle on the show has never engaged with Kim in the vile manner Taylor has; neither has Faye.

      They might be quietly sympathetic to Kyle or wary of Kim’s oddity but they certainly have not acted or pushed the sisters n a course to destroy each other.

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      Agree 100%!!

  19. nancy says:

    any comments to my posts upthread? Will go back to lurking.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Amber replied to you.

      Don’t take it personally when something isn’t replied to -or replied to right away. The blog just went up this morning- and I haven’t even finished my first cup of coffee.

  20. WSL says:

    Sorry I didn’t copy who said this
    ” Kim goes with Richards, but why Kyle goes by Richards is baffling

    I have a theory.
    Since Kim was already famous, when Kyle starting acting, she used the same name for immediate recognition. All the other acting
    Dynasties like Douglas, Fonda,
    Zarrin(Jill’s daughter teee Hee)
    do it !

    • quincyil says:

      Sure… Kyle’s dad’s name was Richards so that is her name. She had it througout her childhood and career. Many actresses like Julia Roberts have a stage name.

    • error404 says:

      I admit it was a little dig.

      All 3 sisters used Richards during their acting careers. But only Kim was actually a star, so it makes sense to me that she still uses it as the name is recognizable. Kathy and Kyle’s “careers” are a joke IMO. I can see why Kathy traded up to Hilton, and had Kyle managed to land a DuPont or a Morgan, she’d probably go by that too, I’m sure. Clinging to Richards seems desperate to me. Kim at least was a child star, not a kid who got a few roles.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        LOL You’re still digging! LOL

        Poor Mauricio, can’t compare to a DUPONT!

        You’re T-ERROR-BLE!!

        • nathania says:

          I met a du Pont once, a girl I worked with.

          Messed up girl, messed up family. Messed UP. In that town I don’t think it mattered much to anyone what her last name was and I think she expected it to.

          It was very odd because she was with someone but hit on me and started buying me little trinkets. And was supposed to be gay but then was hitting on my best work friend’s boyfriend. It was weird. She grew up in boarding school, maybe why she was so needy.

  21. Adgirl says:

    Did anyone notice Adrienne’s brothers were at Taylor’s party. When the siblings were standing together I thought “oh look, there is 900 million dollars”.

    • quincyil says:

      That was a strange group of people at Taylor’s birthday party. A lot of them were guest of other guests. This was the end of the season party from Bravo normally held at the hotel next to a swimming pool in OC.

  22. Jennifer Neehan says:

    Fantastic Blog Lynn. Fantastic. Bravo! You are spot on.

  23. WSL says:

    Re Taylor’s original entrance plan from a Rolls. Does any one remember Jill’s actual original entrance scene ?

    Is Taylor dumb ? What’s wrong with Hughes ,as in Howard.
    Maybe she really has something to hide.

  24. Jennifer Neehan says:

    This is off topic but I am sitting here wondering so I am going to put it out.

    This week there has been a big FBI sting in NYC and North Jersey. I am wondering if this will effect RHONJ. We know the Manzo family was connected and that Tiny Manzo, Caroline and Dina’s father-in-law, Tiny Manzo was found naked and bound (and dead), in the trunk of his car, but the sons don’t seem to be connected now. Then there is Teresa and her and Joe’s family and “businesses” which seem to be very connected. There was a post on the RHONJ facebook page asking if anyone from Teresa’s family was indicted and I have been wondering………


    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Ha – when I saw the story I thought that maybe Joe has something else to add to his resume!

  25. terry aley says:

    It’s time. My Top 10 Most Deranged Real Housewives Moments of the Week!! http://tinyurl.com/4u2x29y

  26. WSL says:

    Wow Jen !
    I had not thought of that but I bet some, even distant relative, is in the very broad sweep.
    It is kinda fun to “dream & see”.

    • nancy says:

      upthread error and then I am done for the day. Kim is a alcohalic and thoraxine user, IMOP. Hubby in medical field and stated this early on. First show I stated something was off with Kim.

      • JKW says:

        I assume you mean Thorazine ? Never heard of Thoraxine

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          What’s that used for ? I heard of it.

        • nancy says:

          Oh dear the spelling police. Thorazine is used for patients that can be (spelling) psycotic.

          • JKW says:

            Nancy…no spelling police. I actually looked up the drug Thoraxine because I thought it was something new ! HA. Then I realized it was thorazine. Several people asked what it was so that’s why I wanted to clarify the spelling. Thoraxine has something to do with cars.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            Kim’s not only on but abusing this drug? What is the basis of that conclusion?

            It doesn’t seem like it would be the right fit for her- under all her nervousness, I don’t see a raging psychotic. I could see her suffering from anxiety and depression- and maybe slightly paranoid.

          • nathania says:


            I have only heard of that used in mental wards to sedate people who are dangerously psychotic. People talk about the ‘thorazine shuffle’ which I have never seen Kim do anything remotely similar to. Even when she was supposedly drunk the other night she was quite lucid. Nothing got broken, no one got hit, nothing was stolen and she didn’t wet herself. I wondered from the beginning if she wasn’t on some kind of downers but thorazine is pretty far down the list.

          • Anne says:

            Chlorpromazine is also used for bipolars and they are not psychotic, but is used during a manic episode. Just to say it has much more widespread use then merely to sedate a psychotic episode. Additionally, it is superceded my all 3rd to 4th generation drugs.

      • AZ Girl says:

        Anthony Bourdain brought up Thorazine when describing Casey knife skills on Top Chef when she was breaking down onions. He said that Casey had the knife skills of Barney Rubble and it was like watching Ida (Barefoot Contessa) on Thorazine. I always wondered if it was an “upper” or “downer”.

  27. sydney says:

    If ever there was a woman to make Gypsy Rose Lee look shy and unassuming, it’s Kathleen Elizabeth Avanzino Richards Hilton. Hilton was herself the daughter of a stage mother, the pretty, vivacious Kathy Dugan, known to everyone as Big Kathy. Dugan, writes Jerry Oppenheimer in his 2006 book, House of Hilton, was an Irish Catholic high-school dropout who grew up in Manhasset, Long Island, eventually marrying four times. She told her daughters again and again that marrying rich wasn’t a goal; it was the ONLY goal.
    From the time Big Kathy’s children were infants, they were in the spotlight. Little Kathy was only a small child when she started modeling. Eventually Big Kathy moved to L.A. to help boost her daughters’ careers.
    While sisters Kim Richards and Kyle Richards are working as actresses today (Kyle in frequent TV gigs and Kim most recently as Christina Ricci’s mother in Black Snake Moan), Big Kathy’s namesake snared only a few bit parts, on shows such as The Rockford Files and Happy Days. “Of course Kathy wanted to be a star,” says Hollywood party cougar and Hilton friend Nikki Haskell. “Who didn’t?”
    Kathy never got her big break, but she did find her Prince Charming. According to Oppenheimer, she had known Ricky Hilton—the sixth child of eight born to Barron Hilton—since they were teenagers, and they began dating seriously in 1978. Rick was a sweet University of Denver party boy. (Not that the entrepreneurial Hilton spirit was dead within him: he was known for throwing fabulous parties at the Denver Hilton and charging students 20 bucks a head.) Soon he was smitten with Kathy, and the two were married in Beverly Hills on November 24, 1979. They have, by all accounts, a very loving marriage (Rick is known to call his wife “Mommy,” the New York Post noted in 2005), though whether that love is shared by the extended Hilton family is questionable.
    continued at link….

  28. quincyil says:

    I just visited bravotv.com There was a video called “Calling Taylor out.” Andy has a card where the person asks why Taylor who works for against abuse would threaten Kim and take out to the alley to go Oklahoma on her. That was a very threatening statement in my opinion. Taylor gets very load and authoriative when she is angry. At the reunion, Taylor asks Kyle if she should tell everyone about Kim’s state of mind at that dinner in NYC. I think it’s horrible to say that to Kyle with Kim right there. Taylor also said that Kim should not bring up the charitity, but Taylor put the charity in the show. Kim should feel hurt by Taylor’s threat especially when Bravo showed us twice the Taylor was lying. If Kyle remains friends with Taylor, she should consider her sister’s feeling when threatened in NYC and by Taylor exposing her state of mind at the reunion.

    • Vcosentino says:

      Taylor is so very toxic! Wouldn’t someone working with battered and abused women be more compassionate and understanding towards Kim’s emotional and possible substance abuse problems? Taylor is vile and a phoney, and it is shocking that Kyle cannot see through taylor. The face, lips, body, and name change signify a person who really hates themselves. Also Russell could be a better husband if Taylor showed more love and emotion towards her him. Remember the airbrush kiss to her husband at her 20’s party? T needs to look within a realize that her behavior is awful and maybe counseling could help her overcome her domestic violence issues. She has potential to be genuine,because we all can be. We just have to be willing to change.

      • DarkSonnet says:

        Name change(s). Also, remember how surprised her husband and friends (Adrienne) seemed to be at the charity benefit when “Taylor” recounted her story of an abusive background as a child?

        Something is very wrong here and I think there is a very good possibility (bet money on it) that both “Taylor” and Russell are going to rue the day they signed contracts to do Housewives.

        She stated that the reason for the Taylor name change was due to the fact that people called her that due to her business card saying “S. Taylor”, so she decided to change it. However, this does not explain why she went from using Shana L. Hughes to Shana L. Taylor in the early 1990’s.

        Yeh, okay, right… Any business card that I ever had indicated my full name, usually a middle initial, and a title.

        Now my interest has been piqued after doing some minor searches regarding this stellar pair. It appears that something is indeed Rotten in Denmark.

        • quincyil says:

          It’s been mentioned on the board that Russell had a Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2005. At that time, he had 100,000 or less. At least, he signed a document saying that was the truth. He had an expensive palimony suit also. I have known some people who made a lot of money, but no one that made it so quickly. Taylor and Russell are shown on screen with Taylor being suprised that he put 10,000,000 dollars into a project. That’s just one investment. I have known wealthy people who had a lot of money, but so much money in so few years sends up red flags.

        • error404 says:

          I don’t know about rue… The Salahis seem no worse off and the Guidices are actually better off.. what would they do without all of her book money and appearance fees?

        • Kansas Girl says:

          She just tweeted that her stepfather’s name was Taylor and when he became her dad, she took his name. She says she explains this at the reunion. http://twitter.com/tayloratweets

          • Kukulet says:

            Then I’d have to question why she was listed under her original surname in her high school yearbook, or why she claimed to be a “Ford” from the famous Ford family.

            I think Taylor is full of crap.

          • Sparkles says:

            Even if so, she claimed on WWHL that all her friends called her by Taylor, which is why she changed her name.

            I think she wanted a name that sounded more “old money” to help her social climb.

            • Kukulet says:

              According to fellow students who posted on the Bravo site, they knew her as “Shana”, not Taylor. She’s making all this up as she goes along.

              Can she spell “grifter”, I wonder?

              • nathania says:

                one person posted in the comments of the link where she is referred to (in jest) as “Chankla” that she even had ‘Shana’ painted on the side of her car in high school. There is a point at which people like her should just stop talking. But they always miss that point.

          • quincyil says:

            Are people tweeting these questions to her? How does she know people like us are wondering what the name change is all about?

            • Kansas Girl says:

              Click that link and look. The person who asked has been tweeting attacks to Kyle and Taylor. Taylor responded to the one about her name. The tweeter is being rather vile, but Taylor did answer her question.

      • Nancy says:

        She is a complete fake. More will be reviled.

    • AZ Girl says:

      I brought this up on yesterday’s blog!!!! It is so disturbing that Taylor would turn to Kyle and say something like that! Trust me when the “powers that be” on this board get done with Taylor and Russell they will be fully exposed and it will not be pretty.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I think Taylor is this shows epitome of saying one thing and doing another.

      She volunteers at a shelter for battered women and children- but then resorts to intimidation and threatens the use of violence.

      She’s invested in treatment facility for substance abuse yet when she is around suspected users- she uses it as a point of ridicule.

      I’m starting to wonder if Taylor’s participation at the crisis center came to be as the result of her being sentenced to community service.

  29. Debbie says:

    I am watching the re-run of the finale. I do not like how Kyle andled this at all. Kim showed up happy and was friendly, laughing, introduced her bff to Adrienne and out pops Kyle whispering to Lisa that Kim is acting drunk. I just don’t think Kyle can stand to see Kim happy, having a good time or even have a good night with the others.

    • kbinldo says:

      I don’t think Kyle or Taylor liked the fact that Kim was all-glammed up & looking fantastic. Jealousy, pure & simple. They had to take her down a peg, hence Taylor’s decision to confront Kim & put her back in her place & Kyle’s sourpuss face & telling everyone Kim is drunk.

    • Jerseydaisy says:

      I agree Debbie, after watching it again I have become less of a Kyle fan. I was wondering why Taylor would make such a classless move as to confront someone at her own party. There is a time and place for everything. If Kyle was my sister I would have a hard time trusting her again after blurting out that Mauricio supports her and she is an alcoholic in front of everyone, not to mention a TV audience. Kim at that point was like a deer in the headlights and her sister should have zipped it and talked to her later.

  30. nancy says:

    Bambi and Bchick upthread for my response. My 19 plus lives with us. goes to school (Oregon State School of Pharmacy) and works.

    • nancy says:

      Plus we pay for everything. Insurance, cell phone,food, gas,etc, All we ask is that he stay in school. LOL he loves school.

  31. JKW says:

    By the way, through the whole Kim and Kyle blow up…where was Kims best friend ? Wouldn’t you think she would be the one comforting Kim instead of Martin and Adrienne ? I found that odd…or maybe she is the smart one and ran like hell !
    As for Kim, she may get her chance at a TV career. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see her on Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew. Maybe she checked out so she could get into their next season.

    • Nancy says:

      I would love to know how many “Stars” have remained sober after leaving
      Dr Drew’s?

    • quincyil says:

      I wondered about the best friend and if the best friend was really one of the many managers and staff people all over that set. I do say set, because it seems very staged to me. The was an end of the year cast party for sure.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Kyle was surprised to see her there and definately not amused when Kim went all fake BH greeting on her – my guess is enabler.

      • nathania says:

        the producer said they had a cast party several weeks later and makes some weird and gross comment about ‘grinding on’ some of the cast members. ick. (that was in the producers blog).

  32. Amber...Real Wife says:

    I read RealityTea’s blog on the BH finale. It was pretty good. In the comments some Anonymous posters, kept saying that Kyle’s hubby was a cheater and that’s why Kyle is so full of rage. I thought could this be true? I mean anybody could cheat. And would a cheater’s wife not be angry often? I’m thinking she could be a drinker too. What’s her issue?

    She appears to have the perfect marriage, to a successful ‘attractive’ real-a-tor (per Cammie). She says she’s the jealous type, and if he left her , she’d leave with him. She has four beautiful children, and lives in a ‘lovely’ home, which she’s since upgraded. She spends her days shopping lunching and dining, but still keeps her family together.

    Kyle is a former child actress, but has only managed to secure bit roles on tv dramas lately. Now as a member of the RHOBH, where she claims to be in a town full of phonies, she’s in control of the clan. Kyle, a la JizzZarin, referred most of the cast and she was the first one signed. Her show? She has portrayed herself as a martyr, due to the promise she made to her dying mother that she’d care for her older sister. She has suggested she financially supports her unsupportive sister, and has outed her as an alcoholic after a terrible argument.

    She has also gotten into heated battles with fellow housewife and husband’s business client, CamilleGrammer, due to some misunderstanding that came after Kyle drilled her for information. She blows a gasket everytime the subject comes up, and Camille refuses to retract her position. She blames her sister for not clearing up that misunderstanding.

    While her angst for her sister may be somewhat understandable to some, her quickfire reaction to Camille isn’t. WTF? Like who cares and so what? Why is she quick to be annoyed and call people out? It’s like for a woman with the “perfect” life, she goes postal and wants to battle to the death no matter how trivial the topic. Is that why the maid left? lol Lisa, may get miffed but never past the “darling, you misunderstood”. Kyle calls people “Fucking liar!”, “Alcoholic!” and lunges across a limo. WOW. Why so serious?

  33. WSL says:

    This is my Opinion !
    Ho Husband !

    I bet Russel’s house is rented
    I am sure their parties r designed to make him look successful & he writes them off as business expenses even though they weren’t invited as business discussions. (That is legal)
    Remember the movie the “Sting”.

    Russel is playing “3 Card Montie” and Shanna is his accomplice. I wouldn’t doubt if they cooked up the Taylor in sad marriage play, as part of the sting. Russell can fall in love w/her again later in the play,when all hearts r breaking & create the ending of a script everybody loves.

    As for the $10mil. That WASN’T Russell’s $$$.
    Like Madoff did,Russell raised it. It’s called OPM (other peoples $). Unlike Madoff I will assume he invested the $ in a venture that hopefully does make money.
    Since it wasn’t his $$ I am sure he got a commission or an ongoing management fee.

    If he charged 5%
    (My Co.charges 1%)
    Here is the math :

    5% of $10 000 000 – $500 000

    $500 000 is not a bad way to finance the first years plan.

    Remember NeNe had $300 & Lordy look where she is now !
    Bloop Bloop !

    All the cast mates r potential investors in his next deal.
    So Russell has reinvented himself & become a Ho Husband who is now recognized as a deal man,even if he has no track record !

    • AZ Girl says:

      You go WSL.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Which explains why she says their marriage is 80% business. This is a house of cards, isn’t it!

    • twoile says:

      ITA, U R 1000% on target as is ur usual performance….=0)

    • Anne says:

      First of all most PEs and VCs do not invest their own money it is the fund that they develop. It is perfectly natural to say you did an invest of $10M. It doesn’t mean it is yours. Taylor said he was in Private Equity.

      Additionally, I don’t think he received a 5% finders fee if it came from the fund because that is not how PE or VC work. PE is the 2 and 20 rule and that is standard WSL. In fact Rangel wants to do away with the partnership tax structure for private equity because of the windfall.

      When Schwartzman does an investment for Blackstone he says and I have heard him say it directly, “I have made an investment of $100M.” It is rule of thumb in PE to make that statement and the same is true for Mez Financing and VC…

  34. iceNfire says:

    Hello Everyone- Back to NY & I Hate Jill Zarin…saw her facebook about “good blogs” but 1st…
    Do any of us really know everybody on our facebook/tweets/ blogs/friend list? Here is a task for you. I would like all my IHJZ, facebook, tweeter, friends to comment on how you 1st met me and I you.
    I met Lynn & a lot of you ( names too numerous ) on hubpages
    I remember Had Enough, & ( shoot me ) otay
    Hi Boston sry wasnt here for you…*hiding in corner* ( Love To You )

  35. Sparkles says:

    * New Finding *

    Here is another apparent business of Taylor’s: http://www.ereachagency.com/whoweare.html

    It is called eReach. Not to be confused with eimplement. The management for both companies is the same– Taylor and Dwight Coates — but eReach seems to be an older one because she goes by “Taylor Ford Armstrong” on this website. On eReach they offer their expertise in advertising/online marketing.

    • quincyil says:

      Gosh, they are Jacks of all trades, masters of none.

      Russell bought some kind of rehab center in Malibu too. She sells diet supplements. She was drug company representative/salesperson.

      Is there anything she can’t do?

      • Adgirl says:


      • Kukulet says:

        Deflate her lips?

        • DarkSonnet says:

          Speaking of said lips – I’m not convinced that she has “implants” rather than injections.

          If she had implants, wouldn’t the appearance remain more or less the same? Her appearance (lips) has varied, going from inner tube to blow fish at times.

          Plus she indicated that she had the implants inserted in her early 20’s. Did they even exist in Oklahoma at that time….:)

          • Adgirl says:

            LOL …. so true.
            lips moving = lying.

          • klmh says:

            Yes. And we have running water too. Electricity has become almost the norm and some company was talking about bringing something like “solar” into use. We dumb ass folks even have cell phones, and better yet, some Okies know how to use them.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          Tell the truth…

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Isn’t Dwight suppose to be her brother? Where does the name Coates come from if her bio dad was surname Hughes and step-daddy was Taylor.

      My prediction, next season’s focus will be on ‘Who the hell is Taylor Ford Armstrong”.

  36. WSL says:

    I don’t like people who go
    bankrupt at the gross expense of others. Donald trump, unlike Jo, is an example of one who filed business/corporate Bankruptcy. Trump didn’t lose any of his massive personal wealth. He stiffed all the business (mom & pop too).
    What kind of bankruptcy did Russell file ?

    • Adgirl says:

      WSL – Russell & his buddies (including Mohammed of the huge house) were sued for defrauding investors a few years ago. Now, that can happen even if Russell didn’t do anything wrong, people don’t like to lose money and they want it back, so I’m not judging that part.

      The item that caught my attention was the lawsuit stated Russell was selling investments when he already had a prior felony, so he wasn’t allowed to.
      Is that a law? If you are a felon you can’t sell investments?

      It did not mention what the felony was.

      • Debbie says:

        My brother worked at ML before they went under. I remember him telling me about all the stuff they have to do to get their lisence. He said they even check your credit rating so he said he had to make sure he had no financial problems of his own in his past. He did say they ran criminal background checks. He lost his lisence with ML right before they went under. It is against the law to make an investment while you are under the influence and my brother lost two clients $250,000. This whole last episode hit so close to home for me because he is an alcoholic and after he lost his job in Washington my parents bought the house next door to me and moved him in so I could babysit. I live in Indiana. They live in Florida.

        • Adgirl says:

          Wow Debbie. That is quite a story about your brother. Is he still living next door to you?
          I’m not a very good babysitter, I’d move to the otherside of town.

          • Debbie says:

            Yes but I am out of the situation. I see him occasionally but I was too sick of apologizing to other neighbors for his nonsense and the stress of it all was making me physically sick. I could write a book here of all the disfunction that was going on. It was 2 1/2 years ago that they did this. I have been away from it for 6 months. I am not as close with the rest of my family now but a lot closer to some and I have all my friends back as well. At one point things were so bad that I had the producer of intervention’s phone number and email but my parents were never on board so I told them to give the opportunity to someone that it would help. Intervention’s set up is really cool though. They were more than nice.

      • Anne says:

        Yes that is the law. If Russell is selling investment to the securities exchange and he has had his license revoked due to a felony, then he can be sued for misrepresentation by the state and federal government, which is a Felony.

    • quincyil says:

      I don’t have the reference now, but I read it was Chapter 7.

    • quincyil says:

      Trump was going bankrupt right at the time of his divorce from Ivana. I think she got 27 million. First he was a billionaire, then bankrupt, and then a billionaire. How do they do that?

    • Anne says:

      Trump did lose a lot of his massive wealth in BK number one in 1991 because he had a personal debt of $900M. He has used BK 3 other times all Ch. 11 restructuring and into CH 7 liquidation of property. Dubai project ended in 2009 when the Emerite was on the verge of 12 hours from collapse.

      Corporate BK doesn’t mean the creditors will not request personal guarantees to the debtor through the BK trustee. They have done that to Trump 4 times.

      Everyone in the real estate business in NY hates Trump and that includes Zucker.

      Trump corporation is notorious of reniging from any deal entered into, which is fine because commerical real estate is the ultimate out clause in any contract. However, it is rare to leave after Mezz Financing is achieved and Trump does. No one likes to do with him.

      Tischman Speyer are one of the best and they are just as rich as Trump, but they are also known for the disaster of Stuyvesant Town. But, Tischmann walked way without entering BK. You never want to enter BK it is the kiss of death when looking for significant Mezz Financing in NY from people like BlackRock and that is why Trump is doing most of his new development out of the City.

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  38. Adgirl says:

    Ooooow, a double wedding and their babies can play together ….


    Kelsey Grammer is in a race to the altar with his daughter Spencer Grammer, RadarOnline.com has confirmed.

    Kelsey’s 27-year-old actress daughter has just announced her engagement to longtime boyfriend James Hesketh, and the father of the bride is said to be delighted.


  39. Amber...Real Wife says:

    I read RealityTea’s blog on the BH finale. It was pretty good. In the comments some Anonymous posters, kept saying that Kyle’s hubby was a cheater and that’s why Kyle is so full of rage. Could this be true? I mean anybody could cheat. And would a cheater’s wife not be angry often? I’m thinking it could be she’s a drinker too. What’s her issue?

    She appears to have the perfect marriage, to a successful ‘attractive’ real-a-tor (thanks Cammie), who is extremely charming to the ladies. She says she’s the jealous type, (making the cat claw motion with her man hands) and if he left her, she’d leave with him. She has four beautiful children, and lives in a ‘lovely’ home, which she’s since upgraded to a larger one. She spends her days shopping lunching and dining, but still keeps her family together.

    Kyle is a former child actress, who has only managed to secure bit roles on tv dramas lately. Now as a member of the RHOBH, where she claims to be in a town full of phonies, she’s in control of the clan. Kyle, a la JizzZarin, referred most of the cast and she was the first one signed. Her show? She has portrayed herself as a martyr, due to the promise she made to her dying mother that she’d care for her older sister. She has suggested she financially supports her unsupportive sister and outed her as an alcoholic after she was blocked from attacking her, by a tinseled black belt. LOL

    She also battled with fellow housewife and husband’s business client, Camille Grammer, due to some misunderstanding that came after Kyle drilled her for information. She blows a gasket everytime the subject comes up, and Camille refuses to retract her position. She blames her sister for not clearing up that misunderstanding.

    While her angst for her sister may be somewhat understandable to some, her quickfire reaction to Camille is a little WTF? Who cares and so what? Why is she quick to be annoyed and call people out? For a woman with the “perfect” life, she goes postal and wants to battle to the death no matter how trivial the topic. Is that why the maid left? lol Lisa, may get miffed but never past the “darling, you may have misunderstood”. Kyle, OTOH calls people “Fucking liar!”, “Alcoholic!” and lunges across a limo. WOW. Why so serious? Is it because she can’t stand anyone thinking there is a crack in the perfect facade? Does she think these negative comments make her look mean or bad on camera? Can’t wait to see who she fights with next season! It better NOT be Adrienne! LOL

  40. quincyil says:

    As your pretend board soothsayer/medium/good guesser, I have a prediction about Jill Zarin who is in Chicago in a suite at this very moment. (I can google twitter and read.) I predict that tomorrow when she leaves the hotel to go to her 100 dollar a person event, she will be very, very cold between the hotel and the cab. I also predict that she will complain to her sister Lisa about the cold.

    It is so much easier to tap into Jill Zarin’s frontal lobe with her 300 miles away vs. 1300 miles away. The sky is clear and that makes channeling easier too.

    • quincyil says:

      Oh, my did I say cab? Black limosine…. no way would Jill ride in a Chicago cab. That must have been a glitch in my channeling. I accidentally tapped into my friends who are going to the opera tonight in Chicago. They are using a cab with this cold. Whew….. thank goodness I fixed that post.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Is she still peddling that book? When do you stop peddling and just throw out the trash?

        • quincyil says:

          I am sure they have dusty books from the Zarin basement with them, but they charge a huge fee for the meet and greet. I don’t think that Alex and Simon charged when they met people in Chicago. I think that was a normal booksigning.

      • Kansas Girl says:

        I’m sure you just typed the wrong word. Total faith in your sooth saying!

    • Kukulet says:

      Quincy, I think you are “cold” reading. 😉

      • quincyil says:

        I am feeling more thoughts from Jilllllllll….

        Ok, I looked at her twitter again.

        She and her sister both have suites that are fantastic and they are tweeting each other …How cute!

        A really nice suite in a downtown hotel is probably expensive. We pay 120 plus parking for online discount single rooms, but our rooms are not tax deductible like Jill’s suite.

        • quincyil says:

          oh, oh… Jill’s double layer of her version of spanx is off so she’s looking at the room service menu for dessert. She knows she should not eat at night, but she just can’t help herself. Don’t worry. She will order diet soda to go with the cheesecake.

          I have to turn her off. Maybe, if I borrow one of those tin foil anti troll hats from one more in Boston.

          • Kansas Girl says:

            TMI! I’m going blind from the vision of the spanx coming off! (Is there a pop when they roll off? LOL!)

  41. Adgirl says:

    If you missed the link upthread make sure to read the story now!!

    Russell and Taylor 2004 trying to bilk a couple in Florida. She was total bitch & drunk drunk drunk. Russell and Taylor snuck out in the middle of dinner and left the couple with a huge tab.

    No wonder Lisa is skeptical of Taylor. She’s probably heard alot about the Armstrongs, maybe from their mutual acquaintance Mohammed.


    • nathania says:

      it kind of explains the strange look Adrienne had on her face when she was listening to Taylor’s story about domestic violence in her past. I couldn’t figure it out at the time, it seemed to be a hint of bored plus some disgusted. Now I know, Adrienne has probably heard that kind of thing A LOT.

      I get the feeling that Adrienne is doing this show in part to connect somehow with the world outside her wealth. Kind of the same way those of us who are paupers might feel driving through a wealthy neighborhood, like, wow is this how those people live…

  42. WindyCityWondering says:

    Russell and Taylor remind me of Joe and Teresa – scamming other people to fund the lifestyle they think they are entitled to! Why do people like this go on television?

    • Kukulet says:

      Because achieving some pseudo fame as a Real Housewife gives them access to even more people they can scam? Or because most criminals aren’t geniuses in the first place? Or both? 🙂

  43. quincyil says:

    I had heard of the restaurant “Sur” before this show. I think I read about movie stars going their in a magazine while in a beauty salon. Lisa is smart to advertise her restaurants, but I bet they were already busy. It seems she is finishing a cook book with the help of her chefs at Villa Blanca too. Cedric was stupid. He could have gained skills during the time he was with Lisa and had a very good job now.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Cedric was the ultimate Lazy Boy. He wanted everything handed to him without any effort on his part. He was very stupid.

      (quincy – Is this your original reference? http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/10/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-taylor-armstrongs-hubby-filed-chapter-seven-in-05/ (Hope this is helpful)

      • quincyil says:

        Yes, that was one of many references. I wonder if the Armstrongs knew that so many people would write articles about them. I’m sure Kyle and Kim knew because of Paris.

        • DarkSonnet says:

          If they didn’t consider it then they might be considered very naive. Or more likely just plain brazen because they are used to getting away with things.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      They showcased both restaurants very tastefully. I expect their winery will have a new line soon.
      Cedric could have gained mad skills by working for them instead of sponging off them – they may have even backed a venture for him so he could be independent with an income. I was shocked that he is 37 years old.

      • quincyil says:

        He and Lisa fought when he was going. You would think he would be grateful for their help for such a long period of time. He seems like a manipulator to me.

        • Adgirl says:

          Totally. Charming until you are around him for 24/7 and he expects to be included & treated as part of the family forever.

    • Adgirl says:

      I think Cedric had worked for the Todds for years. I thought Lisa said 15 years. He was absorbed into the family as a friend then moved with the Todds to LA.
      Anyway, that’s what I recall.

      • Kansas Girl says:

        Yes, that’s what I thought — he initially worked for them and came to the US with them. I thought she gradually explained that in the first few episodes. Will have to watch online or in replays. It seems to me his story changes from him living with them while working for them to being a free-loader. Something about it grates with me. Initially it seemed she was not unhappy with him being there.

  44. Adgirl says:

    Maybe Kim is under a conservatorship or something?

    I’m still wondering all about how much (if anything) the Umansky’s contribute to Kim financially.

    That comment by Kyle was a big surprise to me but it makes sense. Early in the season Kyle became very upset by Kim’s desire to have a baby, or her need to have a large house for grown up children who already live elsewhere.

    If Kim is irrespondsible with money that Mauricio earns, then I can understand Kyle being PO’d.

  45. quincyil says:

    Taylor and the Ford Family….

    My maiden name is the same as a very large bank. I am going to get a saving account at the bank and…call it my bank.

    No, seriously. I was on a committee to prevent child abuse here with this extremely organized mother of five. We became friends. Her husband drove everday 40 miles north to a Heitz Company factory where he was the manager. Quincy was small city compared to that small town so our schools had a few more opportunities for their children. It turned out that this fantastic mom was actually a member of the Heintz ketchup company. She was so quiet about it that few people knew. We learned about it when they returned to the East after her husband’s stint in farmland USA was over. She was so generous to the schools and charities and worked her tail off while she was here.

  46. error404 says:

    so, are both the sisters problem drinkers?

    “You’re an alcoholic!”

    “Oh really? Well look at who drinks all damn day!”

    is that why she flies into a rage at the drop of a hat?

    • Adgirl says:

      Interesting. Or Kim wants us to think so.

      • quincyil says:

        Jill and Kandi are the only housewives who don’t drink.

        • error404 says:

          I always wondered that about Jill. She’s definitely addicted to Diet Coke, that’s for sure. But the only people I know who don’t ever drink, are recovering alcoholics. It’s also the dry ones that are the first to point the finger… *cough*outing Simon*cough*

          • karenne says:

            yes, I agree…nothing worse than a reformed drinker, smoker etc. When they first are “reformed”.
            But what did you mean about “cough outing Simon cough” ???
            Outed as in ????
            just curious!

  47. Rabble Rouser says:

    I got a funny DM from Lisa on twitter

    I asked her if Villa Blanca was toddler friendly because I wanted to go there for lunch someday but all the white linen makes me nervous.

    She message and said
    It’s fine…but just order it to go….kidding.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      Thanks! A little tv interlude. I had a heck of a time figuring out where Kim was till the credits.

      • error404 says:

        “Melody”, the girl the brother is all into, is Kathy Richards.

        I love when Kim gets the glue all over her. I guess she was drunk even back then! LOL

        • Kansas Girl says:

          I quit watching too soon and didn’t see that. OK, off to watch some more. The ads are irritating. But I got an ad for a drug-free America and had to laugh.

        • Kansas Girl says:

          Oh, that was so fun. Thanks for getting me to watch the whole thing. Kim is clearly a better actress than Kathy, even at that young age. Kathy was wooden and Kim is natural. The glue, drunk, that explains it! LOL! I got a charge out of the furniture and the tight pants. No way that kid lost a rock from his pocket with those pants! It was really a blast from the past. Thanks!

  48. WSL says:

    Ad Girl
    If Russell is a felon,he cannot get a securities License from the US Government Securities Agencies SEC or FINRA. He cannot sell registered securities.

    • Anne says:

      Russell is likely doing private placement and the is a Reg. D. Under the private placement market it is totally different the Dodd-Frank leg. wants to have a block to people who have been convicted of a felony of any kind, the so called “Bad Actor”. Dodd-Frank was enacted in 2010. The SEC must issues rules for disqualifying issuances of PPM under two situation, but the only one which would effect Russell is “Bad Actors” section (b). So until the rules by the SEC come out Russell can personally place a PPM, it may well be disqualified going forward.

      However, if Russell is a mere consultant to the PPM and not the drafter for main partner of the deal he is not considered a Bad Actor.

      It depends on how the structuring of the PE was created. This is the same way that Kevin Ryan’s partner Henry Blodgett gets away with it. Ryan former co-founder of DoubleClick and Founder of Gilt, SAI and many other things.

  49. Sparkles says:

    * New finding *

    Well, it’s new to me at least. Taylor is going to be blogging about addition-related topics for the Malibu Beach Recovery Center, where the Armstrongs recently invested. The site says:

    “Taylor has worked for a leading pharmaceutical company and has a B.S. in Biology so she understands the neuroscience behind the disease of addiction.”


    First, I was surprised to read that Taylor has a B.S. degree (in Biology, that is…I already knew that she had a “BS” degree) because it isn’t listed on her other professional bios. I wonder which university she attended and under which name.

    Second, I sure hope that this isn’t the rehab where Kim’s family (Kyle?) sent her. If so, that would be creepy and I do not blame Kim for leaving.

    Third, I find this interesting given how vicious Taylor is to Kim.

    • Sparkles says:

      BTW, I mean to write that Taylor is going to blog about “ADDICTION” not “addition.” (Though I wouldn’t be surprised if she says she’s a mathematician too.)

    • Kansas Girl says:

      LOL! I was just going to ask what university she attended and under what name. OK. New thing for us to find!

      I think it’s about time for the night shift to take over, isn’t it? Things are getting quiet (and I’m getting sleepy).

    • Nancy says:

      Sure she has a BS degree. Didn’t you know that she attended the same college as Kelly Bensimon from NY Housewives? Kelly helped Taylor with her “neuroscience” class.

    • Nancy says:

      Kim went to the Betty Ford Clinic. I wonder if Taylor gets any money from Betty because after all Taylor is in the Ford family!

  50. LynnNChicago says:


    I’ve updated the “Messages to you all…” page, I’m still only on the “J’s” I’m sorry it is taking so long and I’ve still got to update some of you who’ve recently joined us, I will make more of an effort to get it done. xoxo

  51. tweatcyn says:

    I’ve seen that yellow Rolls parked on Rodeo Dr. many times also, in front of the yellow store. I even took a pic of my friend standing next to it like it was hers, and no, it wasn’t Taylor, lol.One thing I noticed-none of the ladies let’s Kim finish talking before talking over her and arguing against a point she hasn’t even finished making. She does process more slowly that the other ladies and just gets flustered and gives up. Frustrating to watch that. They need to listen more.

    • quincyil says:

      I went to Rodeo Drive once when I was on a bust tour. The shops were nice, but extremely expensive. Have you gone to Villa Blanca? I just love looking at the restaurant. If we go back to LA, I am going to make a reservation long in advance for lunch there.

  52. WSL says:

    Yes Sha2000 !
    Our Lynn is pretty awsome !
    But I think we r too
    For joining LynnFam !

  53. Mookies1mom says:

    And they call this a hate blog!

  54. ches says:

    Remind me not to buy anything from beautyticket.com.
    The last thing I want to do is put more money in Driplips mouth.
    January 18, 2011 03:09 PM Eastern Time
    Crescent Financial Partners’ Russell Armstrong Announces Purchase of 30% Equity Stake in BeautyTicket.com
    Los Angeles-based merchant banking firm will provide capital and infrastructure development for online retail destination for premium beauty brands

    LOS ANGELES–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Crescent Financial Partners, Inc., a private equity merchant banking firm that provides a range of services for early stage and middle market companies, has announced through Managing Director Russell Armstrong the purchase of a 30% equity stake in BeautyTicket.com.

    “Our goal is to impart business development expertise that will lead to exponential growth, while providing the necessary capital to build out a solid infrastructure.”
    .Recently named InStyle’s “Best of the Web 2010,” and Women’s Wear Daily’s “Top Beauty e-Tailer,” BeautyTicket.com is the online retail destination for premium beauty brands up to 85% off. Fueled by a weak economy and the popularity of online discount retailers, the company is positioned to become a leader in the online beauty space over the next twelve months as consumers continue to look for deals and buying decisions are influenced by the people behind the brand.

    “We believe this company has the ability to rapidly increase market share and become the #1 destination for consumers who want to purchase premium beauty products at a price that fits today’s economic climate,” remarked Russell Armstrong. “Our goal is to impart business development expertise that will lead to exponential growth, while providing the necessary capital to build out a solid infrastructure.”
    I wonder if they know about all of his shady dealings…and convictions.

    • Sparkles says:

      So on Jan. 18, it’s announced that Russell’s firm buys an equity stake in BeautyTicket.com.

      Then….on Jan. 19, BeautyTicket.com announces that Taylor is named Chief Creative Director.


      If this is supposed to attract customers, it will – for many of us at least – have the opposite effect.

      • quincyil says:

        I wonder what the Armstrong reputation is in BH. Somehow Taylor made friends with a number of important people in a short time. Even important people can be taken in by people like Bernie Madoff. Debbie Fisher lost all of her money when one of her husbands invested with Hollywood predators.

        I can’t trust someone who is an expert in so many fields. Taylor has a BS in biology so she is an expert in drug addiction? She is and expert in diets when she is emaciated? She is an expert in internet technology?

        We have witnessed Taylor making comments about Kim and acting like Kyle’s relationship with Taylor is better than Kyle’s relationship with her own sister. This is so hurtful to Kim. Taylor only thinks of Taylor… or whatever her name is.

        • Anne says:

          One thing about Bernie and he committed out and out right fraud, but Bernie was a respected part of the financial community and the first head of NASD. Now, everyone in securities knows that NASDAQ is filled with a bunch of criminals a little less so than the AMEX which is out and out right Mafia. NYSE a little and slightly less bunch of criminals because it has the most liquidity and the prestige, but Bernie once years ago was a highly respect guy. He did make money. He had other profitable funds before. He saw an easy was to keep making money when he couldn’t be the “Jewish T-Bill” and for over 10 years took it rather than fold.

          The moral is Bernie is a Wall Street veteran. He was someone. He is not infamous, but he had 30 years of success before committing 15 years of fraud.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Correct me if I am wrong- but doesn’t Russel take other people’s money and ‘invest’ it? It seems like he has been sticking his fingers in a lo of pies lately under the pretense that HE-and his busted barbie doll wife are the ones investing- I suspect it’s other people’s hard earn he is tossing around.

  55. lillybee says:

    I really feel bad for Kim. She doesn’t deserve the way Kyle treats her.

  56. HD says:

    Lynn, thanks for the blog. I was suckered into watching NJ. It is so boring. Why do I keep watching it? I am just a housewife addict.

    Thank you for the comments on your personal message blog! You are too kind. Love ya back!

  57. quincyil says:

    News Flash:

    There are no reports in the news of Jill Zarin and her sister visiting Chicago. The crack team of PR people employed by Jill Zarin must be on vacation. The only evidence on the net seems to be Jill and her sister tweeting each other. It could be faked though. Maybe, Jill is in NYC and pretending to be in Chicago.

  58. WSL says:

    Great work Ches !

    In fairness to Russell and his past; a young internet co that needs $$ to expand, doesn’t care where the needed $$ comes from ,long as it green. Often the co. who needs $$ finds a Russel. So Russell believes in the idea & raises the $$ from people he pitches the deal to promising POTENTIAL returns on their investment. Russell gives the money to the co. for a % ownership of the co. but then comes in to manage the co. or at least oversee the co. In other words to “turn around” the company.
    Investment Banking and Merchant banking, as well as Venture Capitol are private deals and not regulated by the SEC. If they were to go public and sell shares they would have to register w/the SEC. In that case Russell would need to distance himself to get the stock offering passes by the SEC. He could make Taylor CEO & himself a low employee 🙂
    Astute investors or their lawyers do a background check. Russell had to explain his felon am sure he has a good reason why his last set of investors were wrong to feel he committed fraud. They were probably just greedy when they lost money ! 🙂
    BTW our securities laws do have a good qurke.
    “Weather u r registered or Unregistered FRAUD comes the jurisdiction of the SEC. ”
    (Sorry but I don’t care enough to see if he was sanctioned by the SEC but he probably was). Unfortunately some folks like to change their name.
    Russell & Taylor always seemed Barbie & Ken to me.
    That being said ,a good lawyer does a good background check. The sad problem is a Madoff check would NOT have discovered his decades of fraud !

    • ches says:

      So WSL, if I understand what you are saying, the money he put into Beautyticket didn’t come out of his own pocket but from various investors. Is that right? I’m totally lost in the investment arena.
      Also I know somebody posted this back in December but I’m reposting again for anyone who missed it.
      Even with my lack of knowledge, after reading these documents, I would be very wary entering into any investment dealings with him.
      It seems like they’re both very sketchy characters.

    • Anne says:

      Are you kidding in many small PE funds an “accredited investor” does not do a background check. Heck I have seen Calipers not do a background check and they have hundreds of billions of pensions.

      It depends on the size of the investment. The rules of an accredited investor are so low as a threshold that most people don’t do significant background checks. It also, depends on the structure of the fund and his role. If he is an advisor then you rarely do a background check of the advisors because you don’t have disclose all or any in certain circumstances.

      Finally, not only a young internet company goes to a VC (Venture Capital), PE (private equity), Angel investors, Mezz financing, or any kind of financing. NASDAQ’s exchange was brought forth by VC funding. From Internet to Bio Tech to most anything new or even existing can use VC, PE, angel or etc. PPM can come into an existing Fortune 10 company when they create a sub with other people. Whatever way you want to shake and bake it you can do it.

      Blodgett is still working.

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