I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion Preview

I Hate Jill Zarin   Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion Preview Jan 26, 2011
Explain to me please, Bravo why you do a double elimination last week on Top Chef All Stars then you don’t air a new episode tonight, what’s up with that?  Is this some obscure holiday that I wasn’t privy to?  I’ll never understand Bravo’s scheduling.
In any case this gives us a great opportunity to preview The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion show airing tonight (so I’m told) on Bravo.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Bravo pulled a Super Bowl stunt and had a by-week between the finals and the big game, I kid…it will be on tonight.  Unless Andy Cohen is in a mood and decides not to air it…joking!
Bravo has released a few preview scenes on BravoTV.com and you can view them here:

One of the video’s is the ladies playing a WWHL style game called “who said it?”  Andy reads some lines that were uttered by the Housewives and the ladies have to guess who said that.  I suppose it was Andy’s way of breaking the ice.  One of the questions Andy posed to Camille was, who said this, “My 4-year old son was more mature than my 40-year old husband”.  Camille couldn’t figure out who said that.  She really is an absolute moron, Adrienne is the only one who has a 4-year old son.  Wow!
I always like to take note of where the ladies sit on the couches.  It seems that the two that sit on either side of Andy are typically either the most popular or the most notorious.
Camille and Kyle snagged those prime seats next to Cohen, with Taylor next to Kyle.  On the other side Camille is on Andy’s right with Kim in the middle and Adrienne on the end.  Rounding out Kyle’s couch is Lisa on the end.  In later scenes however, we see Kyle sitting next to her sister Kim and holding her hand, it appears at some point Kyle and Camille switched places.
I have to admit that I was a bit surprised that Kim wasn’t sitting next to her sister Kyle initially and why Lisa was on the end with Taylor in a more prominent spot than Lisa.  Maybe Taylor earned that spot by starting fights with Kim.
Another preview clip features Cohen showing us all of the ladies shoes and naming each designer then choosing his favorite.  I have to agree that Adrienne’s $995 Louboutin sparklers were my favorite as well.  I noted too that all of the women on Camille’s couch are wearing deep purple dresses while Kyle’s couch are all in black.  Except for all the bling, they could all be attending a funeral.  Lisa has the most amazing necklace on, take a look at it, gorg!
In yet another clip, Taylor actually has the nerve to start more arguments between sisters at the reunion when she’s questioned about her comment threatening to take Kim out back and go all Oklahoma on her ass.  Taylor at one point turns to Kyle and says, “should we talk about her (Kim’s) state of mind at that dinner table?  She’s about to push me there.”  Kyle just puts her head down and won’t look anyone in the eye and doesn’t answer Taylor’s question.
Taylor has a lot of nerve going there, she is obviously ready to spill the beans about something, assuming that it is Kim’s drinking again, regardless of whether or not Kim was drinking, Taylor has absolutely no right to “go there”.  Taylor was asked a legitimate question from a fan of the show by Andy Cohen she was only attempting to divert the heat from herself onto Kim.
Does Taylor really believe that she is going to get Kyle to take her side over her sister.  The fact that Taylor is trying to drive a wedge between the two sisters again makes me want to go all Chicago on Taylor’s ass.  I guarantee Chicago is tougher than Oklahoma.  Lisa had the foresight to see that Taylor was one to watch out for, Taylor is a troublemaker and she then runs and hides and lets everyone else battle it out.
Taylor did the same thing at her birthday party while lecturing Kim, she made comments that were trying to imply that Kyle would back Taylor over Kim in this argument and the Kyle came over and did exactly that, went against Kim and joined Taylor leaving Kim defensive and she started to lash out.  Taylor started the entire thing and everyone fell right into her trap.
I think Taylor is the type of woman who is uncomfortable with the three-women friends scenario.  She is that girl, the one who has to cause trouble so that she can have the one friend to herself.  Taylor was catty with Lisa because I think Taylor sensed that Lisa was on to her nonsense.  Then Taylor knew she had to get Kim out of the picture in order to have Kyle all to herself.  We all know one of “those” women, don’t we?
The Camille and Kyle argument is also rehashed as we knew that it would be, it was the center of the whole show.  Camille practically admitted that Kyle never said the words, “who would be interested in you without your husband”.  Camille got that vibe from Kyle but I think its clear that Kyle never said those words, it was simply a feeling that Camille had yet all season Camille insisted that Kyle actually said those words.  Camille overreacted and continues to call herself a victim of bullying (channeling Kelly Bensimon?)  The scene ended with Camille assuring everyone that she doesn’t lie, “I’m not a liar”.  That’s questionable.
Since when did someone defending themselves become a bully?  The ladies on St John were defending themselves against Kelly’s attacks and suddenly they became bullies.  Kyle was defending herself against Camille’s accusations and now Kyle is a bully?  Sorry all you crazy Housewives, none of you have been bullied on television.  There have been arguments and accusations, that is not bullying!
Kyle is right, it’s the “buzz word” right now and it is meant to gain sympathy but it is over used and has lost its true meaning.  That is the only thing Kyle is right about, she refused to get all the facts during the finale, she attacked her sister assuming that Kim started with Taylor when in fact it was Taylor who got in Kim’s face and started the argument.  Taylor’s excuse that Kim stood up is ridiculous, it was Taylor’s words and tone of voice that created the entire battle and it caused a huge fight between two sisters and for that Taylor is Beverly Hill’s most hated housewife at the moment.  She has long since taken the title away from Camille Grammer.
We’ve all seen the previews of Lisa’s husband Ken explaining what happened between his family and Cedric Martinez, the long suffering houseguest from hell that Lisa had defended for months against her husband.  She obviously enjoyed having Cedric at her disposal but he was getting a whole lot more than he was giving.  If this guy had played his cards right, he could have possibly stayed with the Vanderpump’s indefinitely.  As Ken pointed out, Cedric got way too comfortable and over confident.
Had Cedric kept to himself a bit more and let this couple have their space, done a few chores, filled up the vehicles gas tanks, he may have had a longer stay in paradise.  Cedric was right there when Lisa was choosing a dress for Taylor’s party, he was lying out by the pool while Lisa and Ken were having a nice lunch out there, he was ever present and in their face at all times.  Maybe had he gone out with friends or even kept to his room a bit more often, he probably wouldn’t have annoyed the man of the house quite so much and may have been allowed to stay longer.  He attended every function with the Vanderpumps, rather than staying home once in a while or making some friends of his own, it just became too much Cedric all the time.
In the end, it was clear that the Vanderpumps had every intention of treating Cedric like one of their children.  Someone who was welcome there on weekends and for holiday dinners but that wasn’t enough for Cedric.  Cedric burned those bridges and after many years of support and love from the Vanderpumps, he’s finished.
Part one of the two-part reunion airs tonight on Bravo.
Until Next Time…

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706 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion Preview

  1. Melinda says:

    OMG, Taylor IS ONE OF THOSE WOMEN!!! who can’t be friends with more than one person at a time or in a group!! has to go behind backs and sabotage other friendships and in this case…..SISTERS!!! While I have always had no love lost on Camille, it is Taylor who is really a sneaky mean girl who clearly is hiding behind those puffed-up lips! FOR SHAME! it was so obvious during Taylor’s party that she was going after Kim, not to clear the air….but to rake her across the coals and I can’t believe how stupid Kyle and Lisa were to fall for that!!!! I suppose if you were there it might not be so obvious……I was hoping Lisa would come to Kim’s defense against Taylor thereby leaving her without back up……I bet if Lisa had come to Kim’s defense Kyle would not have sided with Taylor.

    BOTTOM LINE is that Taylor caused more strife between Kyle and Camille and Taylor caused problems with Kim and Kyle and Taylor caused Lisa to feel pissed off about her weaseling in on a good friendship and trying to push Kyle away from Lisa too!!!

    I am sure that the reunion shows will be good, but oh how I wish I could be there asking questions directly at that Taylor!!

    • Kellita says:

      Taylor is a snake. She never takes responsibility for anything she says or does. If she would for once, we’d respect her more. Seriously- she blames her argument with Kim in NY on Kim’s alcoholism?? Way to divert, Taylor Shana Hughes Ford Armstrong!

      I’ll join you, Lynne, in going Chicago on her.

      • ann marie says:

        Melinda and Kalita – I feel the same way!! Also, I could not figure out why no one said anything to TAylor about what she incited in NYC?!?! Until of course last week when Lisa said it to Kyle. I wish Lisa had went right to Taylor, in NYC, on her own and confronted Taylor right then and there. My guess is Taylors explanation was lame to say the least and I’ll bet she exaggerated to further infuriate CAmille. I think Taylor wanted to BFF CAmille since she was Kelsy’s wife and the most press would be on her. Camille was obviously going to be the focus of BH’s wives so Taylor right out of the gate aligned with her. Once it was clear that Kyle was the breakout Taylor aligned with her and tried edging Lisa out.

        • Kellita says:

          I agree, Ann Marie. She’s a user & an opportunist.

        • nathania says:

          yep…she proved it tonight when she was bending over backwards to brown-nose Camille about all the bad press she was getting, plus the flack from viewers. I thought it was so odd for Taylor to say that to Camille that if anyone said those things ‘to Camille’s face’ they would back Camille up, yet right beside her, her bff Kyle and Camille argued the whole reunion and Taylor was mute. I thought it was hysterical when Camille couldn’t remember who it was that implied Camille used a surrogate to save her figure, and the camera honed in on Taylor who of course was the guilty party. That was just after her saying that she would defend Camille. You could tell she was sweating bullets.

          Someone on here previously said that Taylor honed in on Kim because Kim is an easy target because she gets flustered when confronted, and that was proven tonight. Kim is just no good at being a ‘mean girl’ which says an awful lot about her character. Her characterization of why she didn’t ‘defend’ Kyle really made alot of sense. She stood up for Kyle, then Kyle made up with the girls she was mad at, then another confrontation happened and she ended up in the hot seat. She was right to call the whole thing ridiculous. She is way too down-to-earth to even try to hang with those women.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I’ll go Irish on her.

        I predict Taylor is going to get blasted on twitter tonight and end up canceling her account.

    • ramonacoaster says:

      So true. She talks about her annoyance with her husband about the dog to anyone within earshot. So passive-aggressive. She’s not a person anyone needs in their life.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Taylor is vapid and Lisa nailed it – she wants the “Beverly Hills lifestyle” over being a happy person. She chases a dream vision that all too quickly will evaporate into nothing.

  2. elle says:

    Great blog, but what happened to the font? It was so hard to read the post.

  3. VincenzoNewYork says:

    Thanks for the blog!!!
    We have tons of snow again here! I wish the reunion was on now.
    Have a good day everyone.

  4. butterisafruit says:

    I agree Melinda,
    Taylor is way out of line. And this tough guy talk doesn’t hold water. I saw the same type of talk on the Orange County series. Bring it on, is their favorite. Who are they kidding, it’s very unatractive, and totally uncalled for.
    Hell between them all not one of them could open a pickle jar.

    • Buffywood says:

      I saw on the last blog you said you couldn’t visit your husband at the hospital today because of the snow. Is he ok? I hope it is nothing serious.

      • butterisafruit says:

        Thanks Buffy. I just got a call from my step son, he’s sending a machine down to plow me out. (we’re in the woods). Then I can get to the hospital. He was supposed to have a procedure this morning but the doctor called and said he wants to give him a unit of blood first. So they’ll do it tomorrow. He has numerous problems but he’s not considered serious. But everything he has is a problem. He’s a heart patient with diabetes and a stroke victim. One compounds the other.

        • twoile says:

          @Bisaf, You have much on your plate, blessings 4 both your husband & you, safe driving….;0)

          • butterisafruit says:

            Twoile thank YOU. We had a nice day, actually. I was surprised, the weather was perfect and he felt fairly good. You never know, this time it was GOOD. Thanks for the sweet thoughts.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      OC just makes me laugh- as you said they are all fronting “Bring it On” and the moment someone calls them out on something- they act like they are mortally wounded

  5. vilzvet says:

    Kelly Ripa congrats Kelsey right off the bat on his engagement. Guess she can’t congratulate him on his divorce yet! Then again we see Kayte on camera. His comment was about how last year was his making changes and finding the meaning of love or something. Hmmm…..

    • Debbie says:

      Yeah, I can’t believe I watched Kelly just to hear Kelsey say only that he was searching for a deeper love.

    • MBDEA says:

      Darn! I missed the first minutes of Kelsey. Just caught him saying something about a woman coming to him at the show and saying how it makes her want to love and *DING, DING, DING, DING* he realized THAT’S what he needed –love then tried to qualify, deeper love.

      To boomerang Camille’s quote, “Well, OUCH, that hurt.”

      Wonder how much lower Camille’s blows against Kelsey will get now.

  6. klmh says:

    Lynn:
    Taylor at one point turns to Kyle and says, “should we talk about her (Kim’s) state of mind at that dinner table? She’s about to push me there.”
    Taylor has a lot of nerve going there, she is obviously ready to spill the beans about something, assuming that it is Kim’s drinking again, regardless of whether or not Kim was drinking, Taylor has absolutely no right to “go there”.
    Since when did someone defending themselves become a bully?

    These sentences are from your article above. Lets go from there.
    Taylor defending herself against Kim by saying the first quote above, yes, she has the right to defend herself, she has the right to go there, if it is pertinent to the discussion. Kim being drunk does NOT excuse anything. If it explains the situation better, I say, go for it. These ladies have put themselves on the block. Let their heads roll and the truth be told.
    By the way, your remark on Chicago being tougher than Oklahoma is juvenile and sophomoric.

    • Kellita says:

      I thought it was a funny comment that Lynne made. It made me lol, being a Chicagoan.

    • Debbie says:

      I thought it was a joke and a funny one at that. Taylor said she said it jokingly after she is asked about it. Why so serious when Lynn uses the same joke??

      • klmh says:

        Taylor did not compare her statement to anything or anyone. She stated she was going to go all Oklahoma on her. Is there a comparison there? No.

      • CdnFillie58 says:

        Ever since Taylor said it…I tell my grandkids I’m gonna go all “grandma” on your ass if you don’t chill…it cracks them up

        • klmh says:

          Now thats cute.

          • quincyil says:

            I think it was meant as a joke. Andy made light of it on WWHL and in a previous blog, Lynn mentioned Andy’s “surrey with the fringe on top.” Lynn’s humor is a part of her blogs.

            I don’t understand everyone’s humor, but I can see that they are jesting and give them a break.
            Even professional commedians have jokes that fall flat.

            • klmh says:

              I get Lynn’s humor and love it. This was not humorous, jmo.

              • Kukulet says:

                So don’t laugh and move on.

                • klmh says:

                  If you don’t like it, pass it by sweety. I made a comment and have been asked many questions, which I answered.

                  • ann marie says:

                    Taylor’s direct quote “It was kind of a joke and I don’t appreciate you bringing my charity into it” Taylor said it – that is where your comment should be directed.

                    • klmh says:

                      I have no idea what you are talking about. My comment was to the Chicago being tougher than Oklahoma comment.

                  • Kukulet says:

                    Too bad you didn’t take your own advice to begin with.

                    • klmh says:

                      When asked a question or comment, I will answer it. I have a right to an opinion. You do too. We get to comment about it. If you have something to say to me about my initial comment,I will be happy to answer. But telling me to move on, is not polite.

    • ramonacoaster says:

      I thought it way funny. By the way, I would’ve gone New York on Taylor’s ass.

      • CdnFillie58 says:

        I would have gone all grandma on her ass…Canada doesn’t seem to have the right tone to it 😛

        • buffywood says:

          Yes, you peace loving, kind Canadians, very imtimidating! Now grandmas on the other hand… my grandma could whip a wooden spoon out of her apron, flick me on the back of the hand with it, and have it tucked back away so fast nobody ever saw it happened. She would have been a kick ass gun slinger.

    • mamecastle says:

      I would bet that they could all beat my California ass since all we do is surf all day, leaving the ocean only briefly to some pot and do some yoga. Lastly, we round out our busy day with a vegetarian dinner. See? Harmless! Lighten up klmh, it’s supposed to be fun.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I thought the comment was meant to be funny- and highlighted how ridiculousness of Taylor’s remark by making it a ‘my pop is bigger than your pop’ type of thing.

      I suppose we’ll know more tonight, but I took Taylor’s comment about Kim’s state of mind as a way to try and cut the legs out from under her. It would be the same if Kim just randomly said “Oh yeah, well your husband is a FELON”. Yes, it’s true but as the saying goes “What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?”. But like I said, we’ll know tonight if there was any actual merit to it even though I strongly doubt it.

    • error404 says:

      You are absolutely right. It’s only perfectly natural that when asked by a viewer about her insensitive remark threatening violence while being a spokesperson for an anti-violence campaign, the the only right answer was “Well, it’s ok because the person I was threatening was drunk at the time”. Makes perfect sense. In fact, next time you beat someone half-to death, simply tell the police that it was ok because the person you beat was drunk at the time, and possibly a drug user. In fact, God will probably give you a special place in heaven, you know, with all the other people who rightfully threaten drunks.

      • klmh says:

        I know you know, but I don’t know. What?

      • Waslurking says:

        You put all my thoughts together error, thanks!
        Nail meet hammer.

      • nathania says:

        my thoughts about this are that Taylor really showed her true colors tonight, I have officially dubbed her the Wicked Witch of the West Coast.

        Nothing good is going to come from any association with Taylor, for any of those women. She is just like Michael Salahi, lining up rich people to invest in her husband’s various scams.

        Kyle is using Taylor for a sounding board about Kim. Both Kyle and Taylor are alot alike in that way. You can break down their schtick to just this:

        “Oh there is this person in my life that just complicates things and makes things so hard and won’t do what I want and what they should and they are just breaking my heart and if they would only straighten up and fly right, life would be so wonderful. I am such a saint to put up with them and I try so hard to teach them the right way to be and live but they just won’t listen. However, I am going to be long-suffering and relentless in my quest to save them from their wicked ways, even though I am far superior to them. In fact, it’s my superiority as a moral being that endears them to me and my generous heart that compels me to help them despite the probable futility of doing so. I am just self-sacrificing that way.” (followed by quivering lip and crocodile tears)…for Kyle it’s Kim for Taylor it’s Russell, I’m sure they bore each other stupid with their soliloquies of suffering each at the hands of their own personal villain.

        What’s interesting is I get the feeling that Russell and Mauricio are a lot alike. Russell seems like the nerdy type and Mauricio like a dumb jock, but neither seems like they have a whole lot to say, leaving both wives bored to tears. Kyle’s hobby is codependency and Taylor’s is lining up marks to fleece, I guess.

  7. PJ says:

    Kim has been right on in all of her observations about Taylor. It’s strange that Kim can see Taylor for what she really is and Kyle can’t. When Kim says to Taylor that she is surprised that someone who supposedly has dealt with Domestic Violence would be so quick to threaten violence, Kim is right on again. Taylor tries in her condescending way to dismiss what Kim says but in my opinion Kim is absolutely correct. A threat of violence is part of the cycle of domestic violence and it is certainly verbal abuse. Taylor used this threat of violence to shut Kim up to keep Kim from revealing her (Taylor’s) part in the Kyle/Camille fight. Now Taylor is using Kim’s alleged drinking problem to step on Kim and keep her down, to take Kim’s voice away from her. I just find it so odd that Kyle, who obviously thinks she is so smart, can’t see through Taylor. I’m beginning to think that everything Taylor does and says is all part of an act designed to manipulate. Her problems with Russell, talked about in her little heart to heart with Kyle, designed to create sympathy with Kyle and viewers. Inviting herself to the lunch with Lisa and Kyle, and then the way she acted at the lunch, looked to me like just a way of telling Lisa that she is Kyle’s new bestie. Taylor is a real piece of work.

    • quincyil says:

      Some women have to have only one best friend at a time. I think Taylor may be one of those women.

    • ramonacoaster says:

      I agree with you. Kim was right on about Taylor. Taylor and her little machinations behind the scenes are only going to get Kyle in a lot of trouble. First with Camille and then with Kim (which is considerably more despicable since they are sisters and she should stay out of of it). It sounds like Kyle told Taylor about Kim’s problems. You would think if Taylor knew about Kim’s problems she would empathize but noooo, she decided to use that info to against her so she could keep her down. So disgusting!

    • Nancy says:

      I don’t believe for a minute that “Taylor” is a victim of domestic violence after all she’s from the Ford family. I’d love for Andy to ask her which Ford went “Oklahoma “on her? I also hope that her & Russell’s past comes up tonight. They are complete scam artists that are no better than Teresa & Joe from NJ.
      I think “Taylor” is worse than Jill because the fight between her and Bethenny was a fair fight. The one between Taylor and Kim was (is) anything but! I truly think “Taylor” is evil and I pray she gets exposed tonight.

      • PJ says:

        I have a problem believing that she had domestic violence in her past too. It’s sad if she really did, but I just don’t believe anything she says at this point.

        • nathania says:

          I haven’t read the Bravo blogs but I wonder did she express any regret about the violence that Kyle showed towards Kim thanks to the tiff that happened at her party? Has she spoken out against that violence? Because that is violence within a family.

          Taylor is a bitch. I question her involvement with that charity. She kept calling it ‘her’ charity. I wonder if she’s running it, and if it’s even truly legit.

          She had zero right to censor Kim tonight about anything, I really can’t believe her gall in trying to. I was glad when Andy brought up the viewer comment, as if to say to Taylor, ‘equal time’.

  8. Amber...Real Wife says:

    @ Adgirl from the other blog.

    How does one steal a house?

    Well, I know this older gay gentlemen who used alot of meds for anxiety and bipolar. He had a breakdown and went out on disabiliy receiving 1200 a mo. He’d inherited a house from his mom with a clear title/deed and he needed a new roof and wanted the house painted. His daughter, who recently entered his life and moved in, told him no one would give him a mortgage because he didn’t work or have any credit. This was in the early 2000′s when stated income was the rule. She told him to transfer the title to her girlfriend/lover as she was a sheriff and had good credit. For $250.00 they signed a QuitClaim deed and the house was now under the lovers name.

    They told him the loan was for 20k to cover repairs and gave him $200. The daughter and her lover went to Vegas, AtlanticCity and Biloxi and purchased a new “modular” home within a month of the loan. His daughter was taking his check to pay his mtge/utilities and would buy him food.

    Later when he needed a water heater again his daughter said she’d get a loan and the inspectors came by. In 2008 he saw mail that said his house was going in to foreclosure. The mortgage had not been paid for 6 months. His daughter angrily, told him she would no longer be paying his bills and he was on his own. She said if he wanted his house he should call his family to help him get a 120k dollar loan to save his house. From 20k this girl/devil got a 120k in loans against the house. My friend was evicted in July2010 from his childhood home, built by his parents at age 60.

    You steal a home by convincing a confused or financially strapped person, family member that you are helping them. Buzz words like, homestead, taxes, good credit, better rates, income to debt ratios etc. are used to convince the person to transfer title. Always promising it is in name only. Always assuring them that they will handle everything.

    • 2Stupid says:

      But for everyone of those stories there are other stories where the family actually does transfer deed to help the person. They take over all the responsibility financially and then have something like “you stole my house” thrown in their face when in reality the person would have lost the house without family intervention. I have dealt with people that cannot accept the reality of a given situation and only see it the way they want to. I think it the case of Kim and Kyle there is a lot we don’t know. Also, the resentment between these two is deep rooted. Kim retired at age 18, Kyle was 15. Even if Kim supported her family up unitl tha point the family could not have lived off the proceeds indefinitely. She mourns a lost childhood, but she plays the guild card as much ad Kyle does. Just my opinion.

      Sorry to hear that happened to your friend. I have dealt with long lost relatives stealing from elderly people in my profession as a trust officer. It is truly heartbrekaing.

      • 2Stupid says:

        Sorry for all the typos. Good thing I am not a hobby blogger!

        • Amber...Real Wife says:

          Thanks, 2. You are absolutely correct. Sometimes there are those who would lose everything and are saved, calling the saviour a thief. They are irrational and don’t want to get their head out of the sand. Some actually save while some prey.

          • Anne says:

            We do not know the background behind Kim’s statement and there could be a myriad of scenarios. Kim could be talking about her mother’s former house that is now actually Kyle’s house. If Kim paid for that house and supported her mother as she stated and I believe for a substantial period of time, then this could be the house.

            Possibly Kyle received the house in division of the estate. Kim could be angry because she originally purchased the house on behalf of her family and mother.

            In the end we don’t know the scenario or the reason for the statement. Additionally, the way Bravo edits we don’t get the statement before or after, so it is up to anyone’s interpretation.

    • PJ says:

      But it was stated by Adrienne on WWHL that Kim didn’t say that, Adrienne said that Kim said she paid for Kyle’s house.

  9. California35 says:

    Good morning!

    Great blog Lynn, thanks for the reunion preview.

  10. Anna says:

    Cedric annoys me beyond belief. This man is nearly 40 years old, yet expects to be cared for like he’s a child. He should be embarrassed that at his age he’s amounted to nothing but moocher and freeloader. And then to badmouth them after living in the lap of luxury at their expense? He has some nerve. I am really glad to see him leave.

    • Kellita says:

      My theory is that he’s still a 7yo inside, stuck where he was when he was abandoned. I hope someday he realizes the gift of Family that Lisa & Ken gave him for so long.

    • CdnFillie58 says:

      Personally, I don’t belief any part of Cedric’s story…he’s been scamming since day one, they found out, and I’m thinking that’s the root of the blowup with Lisa.

      • mariareads says:

        Sorry, I think cedric is an opportunist and a slug. What man is 37 and just hangs around doing nothing? Why they allowed it all this time is another question. There’s compassion and then there’s the AHA moment. His ass should have been out long ago and at the very least he should have been working in one of Lisa’s restaurants.

      • twoile says:

        ITA!!!!!!!!!

  11. dreemz says:

    Taylor “should we talk about her (Kim’s) state of mind at that dinner table?” to Kyle. Kyle looks down at her lap, doesn’t defend Kim, doesn’t agree with Taylor.

    Someone elses “state of mind” is purely subjective, how presumptuous of Taylor or anyone else to diagnose another person’s state of mind. It is a re-occuring theme with Kim, others seem to think they have the right to label her condition at any given moment, she can’t seem to conform no matter what.

    Didn’t Kyle mention recently something about Kim not really getting along with the other ladys? Well, Kim seemed to be excited for Taylors party, got made up, dressed up, seemed happy went to the party and she still wasn’t good enough, look at the reception she got.

    It doesn’t really matter what she says, does, how she acts or looks. Maybe she is an alcoholic, maybe she isn’t. One thing seems crystal clear to me. Kim is the SCAPEGOAT.

    • klmh says:

      Maybe its because they have been around Kim when the camera is off and feel they are more competent to judge the situation that we are, and maybe Kyle has been blabbing about Kim and her problems to Taylor and thats why Taylor has such a poor attitude toward Kim. I hope we get some answers this evening.

      • klmh says:

        sorry, then not that, second line

      • katie says:

        I think Kyle uses Kim to ease her own shortcomings and insecurities. 

      • Nancy says:

        Remember when the “ladies” went to the basketball game and “Taylor” was sitting next to Kim at the end? She kept her back to Kim the entire time. What was that about? I really think the only reason “Taylor” went on the show was to scam some rich people this time. I so wish Andy would ask “Taylor” how she could spend $50K on her daughter’s 4th birthday party when they had to file chapter 7 just a few yrs ago?
        BTW…Russell & “Taylor” are just renting in Bel Air. Total fakes!

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I’m sure they were also lying about the cost of the party. The claim has the Houdini estate was 10k to rent and really it was just $1,500- and that’s even if they were charged. I am sure they bartered a ton of stuff for advertising.

          I wonder how many of Russel’s investors paid for some of their parties under the guise that it was a business expense and promotion.

        • nathania says:

          question, does anyone here remember their fourth birthday party? I don’t.

          I’ve seen pictures, I know I got a bunch of presents, but I don’t really remember.

          So 50k is a waste.

    • Debbie says:

      I think you are DEAD ON with thay post. Kim is their scapegoat.

    • Night Light says:

      That’s exactly what I took her excitement to be. I thought it was pretty low of anyone to IMPLY (I hate people who imply, say what you will but say it!) she has a drinking problem. Not once did Bravo show her drinking to foreshadow that comment. I don’t know if she is or she’s not but what we were shown is she takes care of her family. She has issues, so what they all have issues. I have come to accept my radar is off but I am smart enough to recognize when other’s are always spot on. Bethenny and and now Lisa have good ones in my book. I lost all respect for Kyle in treating and talking to Kim like she did in the limo.

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. She’ll never be good enough because her sister has told everyone she’s damaged. She is the scapegoat because Kyle has made her that. She’s so willing to believe Kim causes dissention that she’d side with her friends over Kim anyday. She seems annoyed by her mere presence, which others pick up on and utilize to their advantage. Kim gets the blame because Kyle will allow it, as she does nothing to discourage it.

      • quincyil says:

        Sister and Mother told everyone that Kim was damaged. What kind of games did “big” Kathy play with her daughters? I suspect that Kim had issues and four small children without a husband so Kathy was able to manipulate Kim more as we see “big” Kathy was the stage mom from hell. How would it make you feel if you sister and mother were saying these things to America. This all happened before the show. Why bring it up on the reality show? Kyle is not the person I thought she was when the season began.

        • Amber...Real Wife says:

          I think your fall woke you up Quince! 🙂

          You finally see who the REAL Kyle is. A UberPhony in a town full of them. Cruel and manipulative, controlling and vindictive and that’s just towards her sister.

          • quincyil says:

            It’s amazing how additional information about the housewives can change how people feel about them In the beginning of NJ, the young mom building a big house seemed reasonable. Now, we know Teresa and our opinions have changed.

          • nathania says:

            Kyle was a bit transparent tonight. She was really in her element, the ring leader of the mean girls. Kim was probably her planned target on this show, she started out gangbusters trying to slander Kim. What is so ironic is that it was Kyle’s treatment of Kim that first got Camille riled up and rolling with her plans to get Kyle in the hot seat. Then Camille became the ‘bad guy’. I do believe that Camille is in a better state of mind now than on the show. I think she was questioning ‘who is my husband cheating with’ and now she knows. I think her worst fear was that it was another celebrity or a model. You know, someone with a JOB and their own separate identity. Now that she knows it’s a stewardess, she’s relaxed a bit. Even now though it appears that Taylor is going to end up being the true villain of this show. And Kyle as well, if she doesn’t learn to at least fake some compassion and ‘zip it’ from time to time.

      • Nancy says:

        I think Kelsey Grammer and Kyle got Camile and Kim on this show with hidden agenda’s. Charming eh?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMHO – Kim’s behavior held up RHBH taping – being late, being enhanced, not being in the filming moment and way too much film probably hit the edit room floor. . .We know they tape more than the five minutes we see. When I look back at the season, Kim is somewhat off in just about every event, sometimes even her talking head segments don’t make sense. Something is still left unsaid about Kim/Taylor – and all these ladies tiptoe around it. Taylor is taking the heat for it/Kyle is embarrassed about it/Camille and Adrienne aren’t in on it and Lisa knows but wants Kim to bring it out in the open and deal with it. Oh so Beverly Hills! So tonight, I will be watching their eyes because their faces don’t move or give away how they feel!

      • klmh says:

        Couldn’t agree with more, on all counts. I hope we can get some answers this evening.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Taylor was late to her own party.

        Most of the girls were late in getting to Camille’s, of course Kyle blamed it on the fact they had to get Kim- and there were roads closed that held them up.

        I really don’t think Kim tossed a wrench in the works at all.

        If she was drinking on the DL- it wasn’t anything compared to what the other ladies did when they openly drank.

      • error404 says:

        sorry, but’s that’s just plain ridiculous. We saw like a total of an hours worth of footage of Kyle freaking out because her sister wasn’t the very first person at any given party or event.

      • Nancy says:

        I used to really like Lisa but it was not her right to “out” Kim on a frigging reality show. She should know better.

        • nathania says:

          that footage, isn’t that from next week? or did I miss something…remember how Bravo edits the previews to be the opposite of what really happens.

    • twoile says:

      I concur!!!!!!

  12. nancy says:

    Lynn, I know I’m old, LOL. ya know in my 54th year or is it 53rd year. But please fix the font. I will not bring out my mothers old magnifying glass. Rest her soul. Have to have some pride here, girl. LOL

    • Buffywood says:

      If it makes you feel any better I am 42 and still had to change my zoom to be 150% to read it.

    • quincyil says:

      I went into “view” at the top of my computer and then hit font size. I then hit largest and the print was fine for my 58 year old eyes.

      I hope that helps.

    • Shannon says:

      On most computers you can hit your control button and hit the plus sign at the same time and it will make your screen bigger, and you can do the same with a minus sign to make it smaller again. Just for a quick fix. Hope that helps.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Peter is a player and Cynthia is his bank account – opps not cool to put that on national tv!

    • CdnFillie58 says:

      I don’t get the attraction here…Peter’s a narssicistic ass with a big mouth. I would have dumped his ass the night he commented on Nene’s lack of sex drive as a reason for her marriage problems in front of everybody….to me Cynthia putting up with that crap drops her down a notch or two in my opinion 😛

      • dreemz says:

        Cynthia looks like the classic victim of emotional abuse. It doesn’t happen overnight. At first they get together and everythings great, he behaves like a “man”. More than likely, Cynthia had been working pretty hard in her modeling career, nothing had been handed to her. There were still (and likely still are) racial barriers, slights, comments, she had to overcome throughout her carreer. It’s possible & probable that when she & Phil started their relationship he represented himself as a ‘taking care of business kind of guy’. She was probably at a point where she was ready to exhale for a few minutes, was in a decent place financially and could finally let her guard down, that is, if she was with a guy who was solid, responsible, no-nonsense & honest. I believe he hooked onto her and little by little brought her down to what she is now. People think she is crying over the wedding. I really don’t think it is the weddding…no, she is crying over the loss of the man PHIL REPRESENTED HIMSELF TO BE IN THE BEGINNING. The wedding is merely the symbol of the fairy tale she so desparately wanted to believe in. For all of you who say “well, why doesn’t she just LEAVE him?” Oh, if it were only that simple. He latched on to her when she was vulnerable, has been convincing her she can’t live without him, and basicly that she is worthless without him. Frost that cake with her age and modeling carreer( which some say is incompatible) and Phil’s got her and her (probably dwindling) savings right where he wants her/it. In his interview with Uptown (?) he is so cocky sure of himself, anyone who hasn’t read it, should. He is the CLASSIC manipulating, emotional, (possibly) physical abuser. He is not even SMOOTH enough to give an interview to hide his evil qualities. Cynthia needs re-programmed, like the kids did that joined the ‘cults’. He is seriously damaging.

  13. Debbie says:

    I truly hope that Kyle didn’t convince Kim, tonight on the reunion,to just take all the blame for everything that happened during this season. I can see Kyle telling Kim that all of the drama was her fault. She really reminds me of the mother in “Carrie”, “Their all gonna laugh at you”

    • Nancy says:

      I don’t think that’s going to happen as I heard Andy Cohen say that the two sisters are not even talking yet.

  14. WindyCityWondering says:

    I too was struck by the somber dark purple/black attire of the ladies – perfect backdrop for fantastic jewelry without a doubt. Andy’s attention to their shoes (Adrienne definately had the best) was a nice touch – so props to the show’s stylists because they all look so Beverly Hills!

    • CdnFillie58 says:

      They all look stunning to me, except Kyle, hers doesn’t quite suit her as well as the others. But then I never liked that silver thing she opened the show with. Adrienne and Camille have the best look. I agree, they all look exactly as I would expect for Beverly Hills at this time of year

  15. klmh says:

    Interesting article on Kim and her first husband:

    http://starcasm.net/archives/75814

    • California35 says:

      aaww cute story, it is nice to read that someone cares for her. Like the end of the story says, why can they get back together? but there is probably more to the story – and there is a reason why they can’t be together.

      • klmh says:

        I think she seems like a bucket load of fun and has a great sense of humor, but she has issues and they have interfered with her life Im afraid, in so many ways.
        I wish she could find out how sobriety could change her life for the better.

        • Nancy says:

          I totally agree. My husband and I are in recovery (he’s a doctor and I’m a nurse and we attend a 12-step meeting every week just for medical people. I know there must be a meeting somewhere in Hollywood that is just for actors.) I have no doubt they would welcome Kim with open arms and it would change her life for the better.

    • klmh says:

      Underneath is a photo gallery of what we will see this evening. It includes 20 pictures, with captions to the right. Very interesting.

      • error404 says:

        so true! Kyle is holding Kim’s hand, but her legs are crossed away from her, her torso is tilted away from her, and there’s this huge throw pillow wedged in between them.

      • Sha2000 says:

        There are some interesting links on that page, like kyles new home ( sorry the old one seemed prettier) & separated at birth lol pics. Sorry on the iPad have no idea who to past links with just my fingers, lol.

    • Debbie says:

      I am really happy he is gone. Mainly because I like Lisa’s husband. I would hate for some fly by night deadbeat to hae eventually come too far between them. I just find Ken to be so cute with the animals and all.

  16. AZ Girl says:

    Great blog Lynn. I agree with you on Cedric and how he could have given Lisa and Ken their space. You can provide a roof over someone’s head and not have them involved in your life 24/7. Especially in this economy. Many families are “blending” to save money.

    Seems that Cedric had no friends, no outside interests and desire to find a job outside of Villa Blanca. I was not aware that he had been living with them for so long and then to find out how old Cedric is was a shock. Curious where he is now. Anyone snowed in and want to snoop around on the internet?

    Taylor’s behavior tonight is going to backfire on her. She has NO business getting involved in Kyle and Kim’s relationship. That is a private family matter. She is coming across like the high school bitch that turn friends on each other. Lisa is too smart for Taylor and will wait until Kyle figures it out.

    • Nancy says:

      I’m so upset that we didn’t find out about Taylor’s past BEFORE they filmed the reunion! She is TRASH!

  17. WSL says:

    OMG u folks r chatting away. I read Adgirls how u steal a house & wrote an essay & 2 more. I got here & haven’t read upthread & usually don’t post till I do. So forgive me if I am the
    Re peee to Queen.

    Adgirl
    Some one could steal the house a couple of ways.

    *the house goes into foreclosure and Kyle negotiates w/the bank to pay & gets the deed from the bank
    *the mother tells or writes a hand written statement that Kim gets the house and another sis is the estate administrator & doesn’t give it to her. (This happened to me. I didn’t want to own the house anyway or even a part of it w/ siblings (no one ever agrees & I would get stuck w/sudden expenses). I also didn’t want to sue the estate even though I had written proof. We all knew my father wanted me to have his house & all it’s contents which included all my grandmothers things).
    *Lets say Kim did inherit the house. kim could have mortgaged the house & then borrowed $$$ from Kyle to make the payments till Kyle & M. got tired of making the mortgage payments and decided to repay themselves the amount Kim owed them. By now they thought It was impossible to ever get repaid by Kim so they insisted to take 1/3 of the house. Kyle could have then figured if Kathy joined this plan & bought 1/3 too,Kim could keep 1/3 of the house then Kathy could buy 1/3 of it’s value and give Kim much needed cash. In that case stealing meant, going from 100% ownership to 1/3.

    *The sisters could have known that Kim w/her financial problems, was going to sell the house. Who knows, Kim might have felt this could force her sisters to pay her for the house in order not to loose it. We know Kim feels they should pay her back since her $$ paid for the entire house anyway. Her sisters don’t buy the “I paid for the house out of my acting earnings” and Kim’s plan didn’t happen. Not only did that plan fail but Kim’s % went down with her sisters cash infusion.
    *the house could have been inherited w/a mortgage on it,that Kim couldn’t pay,so Kathy & Kim paid it and negotiated that payment to be subtracted from Kims inheritance so her entire ownership of the house was lost.

    • Adgirl says:

      WSL -Thank you!
      I’m sorry about the situation surrounding your father’s estate. It’s easy to see how the Richards family fell into their “camps” after the mother passed.

      In the above Richards family scenerios it isn’t “stealing” but business arrangements where one party is unhappy with the result. Kim feels she already supplied the consideration by earning the money the mother used to pay for the property (if indeed that is where the money came from). Therefore why should she contribute more money for upkeep or give up a portion of the home to her siblings.

      Kim claims somehere that she and her 4 children moved to AZ to care for her mother Big Kathy and returned to “discover” her name was no longer on the title. Her characterization makes it sound like a huge surprise.

      That seems odd, in that titles can’t be easily transfered without the parties written consent. legal notification or a judgement of some sort. Right?

      • PJ says:

        I haven’t heard this story before but if Kim paid for her mother’s house and the house was in her mother’s name and one of the other sisters had power of attorney it could happen. However, Adrienne said that this was not what Kim said in the back of the Limo.

  18. mariareads says:

    We have a bad storm in Md/VA/DC. Bad for this area, that is. I come from CT where we drive in anything and the state is also ready for anything. It took my husband 6 hours to make an hour drive from Va to MD last night. 6 to midnight with me waiting for him as the lights blinked and blinked. I’m grateful they didn’t go out and that he made it home, no matter how long it took, to get in his own bed and be warm. He said it was like a war zone out there w/ cars stranded all over and accidents everywhere. He saw 1 plow in 6 hours. Oh well. ~Can’t wait for the reunion show tonight. I know it will be filled w/ commercials, but it’s something to look forward to on a miserable snow and ice aftermath day. Hope everyone is safe. Our son in NY said they got hammered yesterday and it’s a huge mess in the city.

    • Kellita says:

      So glad your husband made it home safely! I feel for you East Coast people who keep getting walloped. My widowed m.i.l. lives in CT, and I’m a little worried about her.

      • vilzvet says:

        The problem is there is NOwhere to put the snow! Even with a snowblower if it only shoots the snow say, 5 feet, if the snowdrifts are 5 feet high it will fall back into your driveway. So I have been out there with a shovel trying to help and I ended up walking each shovelful like 15 feet to deposit it. Too ridiculous.

        • Kellita says:

          Ugh! You poor people. 😦

        • mariareads says:

          I hear you. My brother lives in CT and he called today to say he has just about had it. They had 30″ in one storm and it has been snowing on and off ever since. He sent me pics of the tunnels he has shoveled from the front door to the driveway. Unbelievable. Son #2 lives about 45 minutes away from him and he has not had as much snow. Just that mileage made all the difference. When I left CT 6 years ago I thought I had left this crap for a while, but here we are in the metro DC area getting hammered for the 2nd year in a row. You’re right. There is no place to put the stuff and plows push it but trucks have to come and haul it somewhere else or parking areas are gone, lanes are gone from higheways-huge freaking mess. Be careful shoveling this junk. I was making paths for our little dogs and after a little bit and I could feel my back getting tight. It’s only the end of January! ARGHHHH!!

  19. TNBelle2 says:

    Another great blog Lynn and Taylor is definitely one of those trouble making women. She was probably that way as a child. I am so glad that Lisa saw through her character. You are so right Kim was soooooo soooo wrong for siding against her sister in relation to NOT finding out that Taylor actually started all of that drama. I mean what grown woman in her right mind choose that moment at a birthday celebration to approach someone aggressively about an unpleasant subject. Taylor is definitely one of those instigating women.

  20. WSL says:

    An inheritance can devastate a family.
    I think Big Kathy raised her girls to b very competitive.
    Sometimes the inheritance can be seen as a measure of the parents love so the kids fight “tooth & nail” cuz it’s an issue of their self worth mirrored by their parents love for them.
    I would have thought Kathy would have asked for her share of Moms sentimental stuff and given the $$ to her sisters who needed it. Maybe Kathy did and they both spent it.
    I didn’t need my inheritance 10 years ago. I was sure my other siblings for various reasons would spend theirs quickly and they did. I fought for my share. Every dime I got is in a bank w/ growing interest in an account to be given to my siblings at their retirement. They thought I should have opted out but I wanted to protect their future and I know it made my parent happy. They know about it now & now understand my motives but did not for years. I hated being resented all those years by some. Now they regret spending their own.
    Like I said an inheritance is never easy.

    For all we know.Kyle may have a reasonable monthly budget but M. may not pay Kyle’s excess above that budget. Most of us know that green monster that lives in most of us that overspends. Kyle has an extravagant group to keep up with. The BH ladies all have excess. Look at Lisa’s jewlery,fake or not she has a lot. Then notice no one wears the same thing 2xs. Kyle is the only one who wears the same jewlery & I definitely don’t think they r real emeralds or they would cost $100 000+. (Lisa has worn the red 1 1/2″ U shaped necklace 2x but I think it cost
    $50 000++ & repeating real jewlery is OK). Kyle usually wears big fake rings& & bangle bracelets that r costume. Except for Lisa & Adrian & Taylor,Bethany Sonya & Ramona (WSL) most of the HW (NeNe Teresa.Tamara Jill etc)wear those gigantic fake gold tone hoops like kyle wears. They r fashionable vs classic & available for $10. Kyle may not car about jewlery but I didn’t get that impression when she bought the gift for her daughters graduation.
    What I am saying is Kim seems to need $$ too.
    So Kim needs money for housing & Kyle for excess above her budget. So they fight over the inheritance/house. Which for Kyle is like a bank account & to Kim it was her survival.

    • klmh says:

      Its interesting that Kyle mentioned on the first episode Kim spent so much of her money when she was 18. A new car etc. Kyle’s husband then turns around and says Kyle spends so much money, and the golf conversation happened. With every hour he is out playing golf, she can spend x number of dollars.

      They were probably brought up with everything they needed and its hard to adjust once you’ve had it.

      The Coogan law protects a part of the child’s stars money, but how much of Kim’s paycheck went to feed the family with not only food, but cars and everything else?
      http://www.writearticles.org/Articles/The-Coogan-Law-Securing-the-finances-of-your-child-star-65.html

    • Kansas Girl says:

      According to the House of Hilton book, Big Kathy spent all the money the kids brought in, plus she mined her boyfriends/husbands for all she could get. She and her girls had whatever their hearts desired. So far as I’ve read, it’s not clear if she was the girls’ manager, but the author is clear that she had her hands in the till.

      There is a story (in the book) from Ken Richard’s last wife. (He’s Kim and Kyle’s father.) He had cancer and needed money for treatments. They (he and that last wife) went to little Kathy to ask for money because she was wealthy and he had raised her as his own daughter. (Big Kathy did not allow him to adopt her, but short of that she was his daughter.) Kathy agreed to loan him $10,000 with the agreement it would be repaid. In a short time Ken ended up selling his Boise house and all his belongings to live with a relative and be able to repay this loan. He was in his late 70s at this point, so was no longer working. The wife says she can’t believe Kathy could be so cruel to the man who raised her.

      • VincenzoNewYork says:

        Thats unfortunate. I would have given him the money without expecting it back. I would rather save someone’s life; especially the person who helped raise me.

  21. TNBelle2 says:

    p.s Cedric should have gotten the boot a long time ago. I did not believe a single word out of his mouth pertaining to his troubled childhood. He has seen one too many Lifetime Movies. The other women was able to see through him. Lisa and her husband Ken have huge hearts and are giving. Cedric was a slick leech. I am so glad Lisa was smart enough to not let him keep interfering with their marriage. If he had been through all of what he claims, there is NO WAY he would be so open to discuss it and be so outgoing and free to take advantage of Ken and Lisa. He was a LEECH in every since of the word. Instead of thanking Ken and Lisa for all they had done, he had the NERVE to state “you are going to miss me like crazy and beg me to come back” UGH!!!! Ken is to classy to deck him, but I would have grabbed my set and knocked him the F— OUT!!!!

    • Have to laugh at Cedric’s point of view. They support his luxurious life-style and in return he allows them to support his luxurious life-style.

      “I’ve never sort of used them for anything. Either for money or favors…nothing…. I’m just not that kind of guy,” he says. “They’re very generous, but you know, in return, I was part of the family.”

  22. kbinldo says:

    The only “bullying” I saw was Taylor & Kyle bullying Kim.

  23. nancy says:

    West coast here. Just saw Kelsey on Regis. Whatever you may say about Kelsey I found that he was gracious, kind and funny. Never once did he had one word to say about Cameltoe. In fact, I have never heard him say anything hurtful about Cameltoe. Fact is he wants to have the love that he has been missing in the past year. Hopefully he has found it with his new love. Just my take.

  24. CdnFillie58 says:

    Kyle seemingly “bullying” Kim, I think, was a knee jerk reaction to what was another explosive episode with an addicted sister. Taylor was trying to get between the sisters, Kyle should have told her to butt out, and drop it. That’s the only thing I see Kyle should have done and didn’t.
    As I said in an earlier post, I have had to deal with a sibling such as Kim, the few times I have gotten through to her was by bringing her problem out in the open for all her “enablers” to see. Unfortunately, it only helped for a while, and it’s frustrating. Whatever personal issues Kyle and Kim are having right now, IMO, is highly over rated compared to the real issue with Kim. This is what Kyle has to deal with on a day to day basis….it sucks let me tell you.
    I don’t like Kyle or Kim, but I feel sorry for them. Kyle is enabling her sister out of guilt and she’s chosen a different albeit crappy way to deal with her sister, via the show and the other ladies. Kim wants another shot at an acting career; she likely thinks this show is her last shot. There will sadly be more drama and desperate actions with these two long after the show is off the air.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      ITA

      • Katie says:

        I like Kim and thrilled with Kyle and understand it’s a difficult situation. But the whole Kim thing aside I don’t like how Kyle dealt with Camille’s craziness and could have avoided the conflict. What’s that saying from Atlanta HW’s “a dog doesn’t bark at a parked car” I wish Kyle didn’t engage and get so angry at Camille.

        If Kim’s situation is really bad, for the life of me I just don’t get why they ever agreed to do the show.

  25. nancy says:

    My take on no film of Kim drinking could have been in the contract she signed. A number of times I felt Kim was drunk or loaded. Why did that one guy have to drive her home if she had not been loaded? Also my take on why Kyle may not have wanted Kim to leave is because she may have need to speak to the driver to make sure Kim did not ask to go anywhere else. Drunks do this. “Oh please drop me off here for a drink. I will be right out.” My take

    • klmh says:

      Maybe so. Hope it’s addressed this evening.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      If that was Kyle’s intention- then she shouldn’t have stormed the limo. Their manager or another ‘sober’ companion- maybe even a producer should have escorted Kim home.

      Bethany and the other girls didn’t chased Kelly through the airport, but Kim is forced to deal with another confrontation?

      • mariareads says:

        Do you think Kim was drunk that night? I don’t think she was drunk. Maybe she had a drink or two but I have seen drunk women and she didn’t behave like she was drunk. I thought she was trying to have a good time, new dress, new make-up and determined to make the best of it because it’s obvious it was a command performance given the crowd that was there. What a set-up. I think it was orchestrated and then it went terribly wrong. Taylor is so quietly vicious. Her type actually enjoys the fighting and attacking of their victim. It’s disgusting behavior and she deserves all the unhappiness she pretends to have with Russell. In this case I think Lisa is correct. Taylor loves the BH housewife BS and she will stay married no matter what. She also gets lots of attention playing the woe is me card.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I find Kim very hard to read, she is quirky, nervous and a bit eccentric.

          Someone mentioned before that they thought Kyle’s statement that Kim was ‘acting drunk’ odd. I agree, isn’t the goal of closet drinkers to ‘act sober’.

          I don’t know if she was drunk or had something to drink or not- but base on what we saw, she wasn’t behaving inappropriately. Kim can’t seem to win, if she engages with people, she is drunk and/or picking a fight…if she breaks off from the group she is drunk and/or a anti-social loser.

          One thing I do know, Taylor is a snake.

        • Nancy says:

          She’s a total fake.

    • error404 says:

      This is exactly why we have “innocent until proven guilty”. This wasn’t even filmed as part of the show, but just blabbed about by Kyle dear friend Lisa, who never made it thru a single episode without getting in at leas tone good dig at Kim’s expense. I can think of about 100 reasons why I might get driven home from a party. It’s no more proof of an addiction than eating cheese is proof that you’re a murderer.

  26. nancy says:

    Also, one other point. Why would Adrieann (spelling) be in the limo first if maybe all were not concerned about Kim leaving? After all, last shot shows Kim was in the Limo by herself.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO – Lisa sent Martin after Kim to make sure she was alright. Adrienne went down to assess the situation. And just maybe they felt Kyle could handle Kim better than they could. I think Bravo should have stopped filming Kim when she left the party – and the only one who could give permission for that to happen was Kim.

      • Katie says:

        I thought I read somewhere that they are not allowed to call cut or stop filming regardless of the situation, not sure how this works but I recall reading that somewhere.

        • That could be but I remember in the second OC season when the daughter whose father died(can’t remember any of the names) got so drunk at her own birthday party and her mother said ‘that’s enough’ and they left the show. I admired her for putting her daughter’s mental health ahead of everything else.

    • Nancy says:

      I hope that reminder stays in Taylors head for a while. Not that she’d own any of her behavior though.

  27. Miss Anthrope says:

    I really cannot wait to see this reunion.

    Taylor….ugh. In the preview clips of her and Kim getting into it over the “goin all Oklahoma on your ass” comment, her reaction makes me want to punch her in the face. Those smug looks she gives and the fact that she keeps trying (and failing miserably) to deflect and pretend that she didn’t actually mean it “that way” is infuriating. How many different ways can “I’m going to take you out back and go Oklahoma on your ass” be taken? Surely I am not the only one aside from Kim who took that as a threat of physical violence. Nobody takes someone out back to give them a stern talking to.

    I actually felt bad for Taylor during most of the season. I thought she was in an abusive relationship with her husband because having been in an abusive relationship myself, I definitely saw the signs. But i just can’t feel sorry for her after the finale. She’s a manipulator and she clearly never got the memo stating that only a horrible person sets out to drive a wedge between sisters.

    That said, Kyle doesn’t get a free pass either. For all the bullshit she talked this season about Kim never having her back, she sure did prove herself to be a hypocrite after she assumed that it was Kim who started the fight with Taylor. In fact, she proved herself a hypocrite at Camilles dinner party when she yelled at Kim outside and then left her to go home by herself. Yeah, nice sister you are Kyle. I always leave my sister to go home by herself while I ride around in a limo with all my friends.

    My sisters oldest daughter was a hardcore heroin addict for years. She stole money from me, thousands of dollars from my parents bank account, pawned god only knows how many family heirlooms and expensive gifts she was given. And the whole time she played it off like she was the victim. It was everyone being mean to HER. And it worked for her because my mother was in complete denial. So I get it. I know what it’s like to resent a loved one with every fiber of your being.

    But I never announced to the whole world or even to extended family that she was a drug addict. I never hung out with her only to berate her and shit on every move she made. What good would that have done? Instead, I went down to the court house, pled my case in front of a judge, and forced her, by law, into rehab. Admittedly, I even exaggerated some things so that the judge would have no doubt as to how bad off she was. She’s now 3 years clean and married with a gorgeous baby. So tough love DOES work, but anyone who thinks that what Kyle is doing to her sister is “tough love” is sadly mistaken.

  28. California35 says:

    Did you guys see this yet?
    $10M should he passes away shortly after their divorse…??

    http://www.popeater.com/2011/01/27/camille-grammer-kelsey-grammer-additional-money/

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Camille is not stupid and she has good lawyers – plus she has two minor children to protect. While I don’t necessarily like her on RHBH – how she deals with her real life is what is important. Her soon to be ex is engaged, wants to marry quickly and hasn’t been the least bit concerned with how his behavior will impact his very young children.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        If my soon to be ex husband of 13 years and father of my 2 children- wanted a quickie divorce so he could marry his mistress-and not have a prenup, I would also make sure that myself and my children were financially protected.

        • quincyil says:

          I wonder what kind of step mother Camille was. Some later wives (I don’t know what number wife she is…) don’t care for children from previous marriages. I wonder if Camille was kind.

        • PJ says:

          Camille isn’t doing anything that any other woman in the same position would do.

        • PJ says:

          Camille is doing what any woman in the same situation would do.

  29. If You Had It Like This says:

    I think somebody needs to go Nene on Taylor’s ass.

    Speaking of Taylor, apparently Russell is going to have more personality next season.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-26/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-kyle-richards-husband-mauricio-umansky-and-russell-armstrong-on-being-house-husbands/2/

    • Interesting that Mauricio says this to the Daily Beast: “One of the reasons Kyle and I decided to do the show was, we felt we didn’t have any skeletons in the closet.” Yet when Kyle has the conversation with Adrienne in which she rejects the idea of getting professional help in dealing with Kim she goes on and on about how hard its been to keep secrets and cover for her sister for so many years.

      I can believe she and Mauricio probably have no marital skeletons but one would think, if Kim was as bad as Kyle suggests, that they might think twice about exposing her on the show.

    • AZ Girl says:

      What? Are they going give Rusty electric shock therapy to get him to show is emotions? The guy has the personality of paste.
      p.s. I am just warming up for tonight.

      • Zoey says:

        Haha, funny. Yeah, he’s going to have more personality, but I wondered that too, where’s he gonna get it from? No matter how much money he has, you can’t just buy it!
        He’s what I call a drip! And I wonder what he’s reeeaallly up to on all those business trips….

    • floridagirl88 says:

      Ooooooo, wouldn’t that be a great scene with Nene outtalking Taylor, taking her down a notch. I would pay to see that.

  30. AZ Girl says:

    At the office. Found a great article on NeNe/Star Jones fight on Celebrity Apprentice on msnbc.com. can’t post link from phone. Check it out. NeNe sticks it to Star

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        fist fights? Jones/Leakes make Omarosa look nice? NeNe brought her RHoA game to Apprentice and we are surprised? lol

        • buffywood says:

          From an earlier article linked down on that page. We all know her charity can’t be Twisted Hearts as 1) it never was a charity and 2) the LLC was shut down by the state.

          As RadarOnline.com previously reported, NeNe has been taking advice from former Apprentice contestant Omarosa Stallworth and she’s been schooling her on how to get ahead on the show.

          “NeNe isn’t really stepping up to the plate and doing the work that the other contestants are and so they’re mad at her.” The source said NeNe isn’t very popular with her teammates.

          “She is just trying to promote herself and not really doing the work for the charity.” The source said that while many of the celebrities have long standing relationships with their charities, some of them think NeNe just picked a random charity for the show.

      • AZ Girl says:

        Thanks for posting it.

    • Adgirl says:

      NeNe doesn’t get along with many people, does she?

      • mariareads says:

        Wow. Talk about a fall from fun! I used to laugh at Nene’s antics but now she really turns me off. She’s not funny. She’s nuts. This Apprentice has some crackpots on it for sure. I don’t watch it but maybe I’ll set the DVR and watch on those insomnia nights LOL!
        The thing that really makes me angry is that she does all this posturing and gets away with it. Someone needs to call her out on her garbage. Nene will react like a maniac and get her arse hauled into jail for a day or 2!

        • klmh says:

          Me too, and my opinion changed quite quickly. Sad, because she has a wonderful sense of humor, but her anger is out of control. Scary too.

        • Adgirl says:

          @ mariareads “Talk about a fall from fun!” LOL.

          She is a nut. A rotton nut.

  31. WSL says:

    Lou Man Strips !

    http://www.film.com/features/story/nyc-housewife-appear-semi-nude/44002894

    Maisy Fernandez,  Jan 27, 2011

    When you read the headline to this story, we bet you were like, “Oh, it’s totally Kelly!”

    Well, guess what, folks? It’s the Countess, of all people, who’ll be shedding her designer duds for the sake of acting.

    Real Housewife of New York City Countess LuAnn de Lesseps, 45, will expand her entertainment career beyond reality television and crappy pop songs when she performs a semi-nude acting role on Law & Order: SVU.

    De Lesseps will play “an eccentric art patron who poses semi-nude for a painter,” according to the New York Post. The episode, which airs Feb. 23, opens with a crime scene involving her character. Shooting begins Thursday and lasts for three days at Chelsea Piers in New York.

    While she is the first of the Bravo Housewives to score an acting gig, she isn’t the first NYC Housewife to show some skin on camera. Co-star Kelly Bensimon posed for Playboy, while ex-Housewife Bethenny Frankel appeared nude-but-strategically-covered for a PETA ad.

    Money can’t buy you class, but apparently, it can persuade you to show a little ass.

     

  32. Amber...Real Wife says:

    I’m a little annoyed at Lisa also. She went from being oh so sweet, to sly and cunning. She showed jealousy re: Taylor and Kyles friendship and wanted to out Taylor, but Kyle refused to blame Taylor at all keeping her focus on Camille. Lisa then decides to tell Taylor her findings and when Taylor deflects by blaming Kim, she tells Taylor to fix it with Kim so there wont be any further squirmishes. Maybe the fact that each fight between Taylor and Kim brings Kyle and Taylor closer has a bit to do with her wanting an end to it.

    Lisa has also scolded Kim for not calling Martin even though he hasn’t called her either. She mischievously escorted a “drunk” Kim over to Martin, on the night of the finale. She knows there is no attraction, yet she forces the exchange for her amusement, and we see Martin roll his eyes when Kim leaves. Now why would she set her good friend Martin with a known alcoholic? Doesn’t make sense, that she’d set up the dear old family friend, with a woman who was not his type, that she KNOWS is an alcoholic with issues, and is a little off? Unless…it was all a practical joke, done to ridicule Kim and Martin. Lisa is the joker! After all her humor is a bit remedial with the answering machine prank, and pulling off in the car without Cedric routine. Lisa is not as nice as I thought she was.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Lisa’s pranks aren’t designed to hurt anyone. Lisa knows a lot more about what Kyle is dealing with and is trying to not just support her but to help her come to a resolution. Lisa did figure out there was something going on between Taylor and Kim. Her solution was too mature for either Kim or Taylor to perform – apologize, clean the slate and move on.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        That said, some jokes, cause others discomfort, embarassment and humiliation. When Martin rolled his eyes, the joke was on Kim, and it was between he and Lisa. They were making fun of her. Some may consider it harmless, others may take offense to being made part of an inside joke that others know about. Her jokes aren’t so innocent to the unwilling victims that are being laughed at.

        • Nancy says:

          It was Martin though to be the first person in the Limo to make sure Kim was OK. I think he’s a gentleman.

    • mariareads says:

      Lisa instigated that confrontation between Taylor and Kim. Not that Taylor isn’t a bitch-because she is one nasty piece of work-but Lisa pushed it during that fake lunch at the restaurant. Who would approach Kim at a PARTY? At your own party? It’s ridiculous and they all look like sharks. Kim is no angel but I feel a little vindicated as I was remarking on Kim’s fragility when the show first went on the air while others thought she was just an airhead. She may be , but I also saw someone who is badly damaged whether by her own hand or with the help of others. Lisa is definitely not as nice as I thought and it appears to me that there are more villains than anything else on RHBH.

      • Amber...Real Wife says:

        Indubitably! Thank you and hello! 😉

      • TLM says:

        I haven’t been thrilled with how Lisa acted either. She basically outed herself to the cameras by saying, “Kyle and I have been friends for quite a while, and Taylor’s trying to wiggle her way in there…back off, Taylor.” I think that’s the reason Lisa fixated on Taylor and tried to make Kyle dislike her. Camille was responsible for what Camille did, and I don’t think Taylor did anything underhanded to anyone. Lisa needed to spend more time worrying about getting Cedric out of her house than attacking Taylor. And then after badmouthing her to Kyle, Lisa actually said to Taylor, “We’re all here for you”??? Give me a break. Now who’s the one who’s two-faced??

    • Shannon says:

      I agree, it’s a good blog.

    • buffywood says:

      That was very good. She came accross very intelligent and articulate, more of the person I anticipate her to be given her profession and success. It is hard for me to reconcile in my head what she says here to some of the dumb crap that has come out of her mouth on the show. I know people joke that pregnancy makes you stupid, maybe in her case it was really true.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Pheadra gets it and she says it too! Great blog, thanks for bring it over for us.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      That was actually good and for once she actually addressed things we observed in the show. One of the things I hated about some of her previous blogs is that it came across as a lot of lawyer double talk, she never seemed to get the point- or get to the elephant in the room.

      I don’t think Kim is a racist- I think she is a idiot. I think that because she doesn’t see herself as racist, she crosses racial lines of individuals without giving much forethought as to how those words or actions will be perceived.

      I think NeNe is an angry loud mouth. I think the yelling we hear is probably nowhere near as deafening as the screaming rage that goes on inside her head.

      I still don’t ‘like’ Pheadra- I am just more tolerant of her. I really don’t find her or Cynthia all that interesting. I think they should bring DeShawn back- now there is a story.

  33. buffywood says:

    Nothing can tear a family apart better than money. If you financially support a relative despite all of your best intentions; in can bite you in the ass in the end. What’s that expression, no good deed goes unpunished? When there is pride involved and the desire to “keep it a secret” it can get even worse. You can have all of the right legal documents as well but in the end it doesn’t matter; others will view it as you trying to take money out of their pockets and it is disgusting. Where were they when the taxes needed to be paid? Where were they when Gram needed food, heat, medicine? If any of you financially support a family member, I strongly recommend you look at the money as a gift of kindness without an expectation of it being returned. Or, make sure other family members are 100% aware of the situation at all time despite the person’s wish of it being a “secret”. Given a choice of losing money or family, I will say goodbye to the money any day. With me though there will always be that lingering feeling of resentment towards the “others” and how they behaved but that is because I am pretty good (or bad depending on how you look at it) at holding grudges.

    • Debbie says:

      I always tell my family…I don’t do loans to family, I do gifts. No wonder I am broke now. LOL

      • buffywood says:

        Great rule to have!

      • mariareads says:

        Debbie, I agree with you. If we give money to someone to help out we call it a gift and don’t expect it back. It won’t get paid back anyway-usually. Not a good thing to have in a family. It’s tough, depending on the personalities. Just kiss it bye bye and hope for better times, I say.

    • klmh says:

      Yep, you’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.
      Its interesting too that Kyle mentions her husband treating Kim like a 2nd wife, in terms that we consider financial, but there was no mention of Kathy helping Kim. I would have expected that to be thrown into the sentence as well if so. Isn’t she the one with the Hilton name and bucks?

    • Adgirl says:

      I’m dreading when my mother dies. Her will is pretty clear (not that there is much to her estate). That won’t matter to my brother or his friends who will advise him. I will probably have to supply many accountings and be sued over things not mentioned until I give him more more more cash. It only bugs me because he spends zero time with our mother and rarely calls her. He has plenty of time and lives nearby.
      He will immediately blow our parent’s hard earned money on radical political organizations that will blow him off the second the money is gone. Then I will be saddled with him in old age.

      • Debbie says:

        Totally OT Oh Adgirl, I am so sorry. That is what will happen to me. I am the baby of 4 (one used to work high up at ML) but my parents made me executor (or whatever it’s really called). I will just want to take my grandmother clock (my mom bought it in France where I was born and it was an antique then. I’m 45 so it’s old.) Everyone has always known that is the only thing I ever want. It was a constant in my life as a military brat and moving all the time. My mom and dad gave it to me last year when I was at their home. I told them “I’m not ready for so much responsibility” give it to me when you’re done with it.

      • klmh says:

        Adgirl,
        Your mother can set a trust up and make you or an impartial member of the family, friend or attorney responsible for monthly or yearly distributions so the money wont walk out the door in a month.
        The sale of her belongings could be auctioned and that money would be set in her trust, to be distributed to you and your brother.
        But for a few hundred dollars, you could consult an estate attorney and get some great information so you wouldn’t have to worry.

        • Adgirl says:

          She has it set up the way she wants to. I asked her about a trust for him/us w/ monthly payments etc. She doesn’t want to deal with (it’s for me to handle). He is

          50 yrs old unemployed and a troubled mind. He will find it unfair no matter what we arrange in advance.

          • klmh says:

            Im sorry to hear your mother wants to leave it on your shoulders, but I understand. She simply doesn’t want to deal with it or disappoint.
            My mother had set up a trust for one of my sisters, because she could go thru it in a short amount of time. Then a few months later, back to the attorney we went to cancel it. It was my mother’s choice. When she passed, 3/4 of my sister’s inheritance was gone in a year. Now she is looking at retirement, without a retirement fund to speak of, and we will be taking care of her because mother didn’t want to disappoint one of her daughters. But what a wonderful lady she was, the best.

          • quincyil says:

            Do everything you can to keep her healthy.

          • buffywood says:

            Honestly unless the behavior changes you are stuck. If he got monthly payments he would probably be at your door by the 20th of each month or so saying he needs money for food, car payment, etc. anyway. It is so sad and I can relate.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            I hate to say this but you can tell your mother that her terms are unacceptable. She is his mother and he is her obligation not yours but that you are willing to help and that you also have a life to live. It isn’t easy to discuss and can be painful but it can be done to benefit everyone. I had to do this with my father. When his will was read it was apparent that our discussion was respected. My mother and sister are still very unhappy but they are taken care of and when they bitch at me I reply that I am following dad’s wishes.

          • Fairweather Viewer says:

            Just because you are named as Executor doesn’t mean you have to do it. I’m sure she has a successor named. Whenever the time comes and if an actual Probate estate is required, just sign a Refusal to Serve as Executor and hand the matter over to the second party named as Executor.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Do you think you can go to the courts and get a conservatorship?

        • Adgirl says:

          He is in the grey area of being too low functioning to handle stress and he drifts towards people who accept his strangeness. On the other hand he can feed and care for himself so no court will allow me to care for him.

          And I do not want to. I’ll bet that is part of the Richards history.

  34. Amber...Real Wife says:

    ERROR???

    It’s snowy in NY, are you snuggling and ignoring us today? LOL If you are busy with Mr.404 cook yourselves a grand meal for the reunion tonight. 🙂 Can’t wait to hear your delicous take on the reunion manana!

    Make it juicy!

  35. Mookies1mom says:

    I just watched the Calling Taylor Out video. I find it strange that all the while she is claiming she’s not violent and never been in a fight she then tells Kyle “She about to push me there” (or something close to that). Where is Kim about to push her too is what I’d like to know. You know, for someone who claims that they are not violent.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I get the feeling that Taylor was asked not to comment on Kim’s behavior at the NYC dinner (and it has gotten Taylor a lot of negative press). Kim is pushing her and Taylor is letting Kyle know that. Kyle hangs her head because she knows Kim isn’t Taylor’s responsibility and she can’t stop Kim from pulling her crap (which in this case bringing Taylor’s charity into an irrational discussion).

    • Nancy says:

      I LOVE the fact that Kim just won’t drop it. It is PRICELESS! GO KIM!

  36. Adgirl says:

    I suppose the nut of the Richards family argument is:

    1. Kim believes that her earnings were the sole support & enrichment of the Richards family.

    2. Therefore her work is through and she should now be supported by Kyle who benefited from the original earnings via Big Kathy.

    3. Kim does not recognize that Big Kathy’s profit was taken as a management fee of Kim’s career (that an outside manager would take and keep).

    4. Kim wants that money or property purchased with that money to be returned to her.

    5. At some point the family “house” became a financial drain or issue and the title was transferred but kept in the family.

    6. A second home was purchased with both Kim and Kyle on the title.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      It doesn’t appear that Kim understand her financial situation. If she neglected to pay mortgages/taxes and ignored foreclosure and Kyle didn’t step in – would she blame the bank for stealing her house? Kyle mentioned early on that Kim’s financial situation wasn’t a healthy one so likely Mauricio and Kyle are trying to keep Kim from losing whatever funds she has left.

      • Adgirl says:

        Kim seems to be to be childish in that I think she shrinks away from dealing wiht unpleasant or difficult situations. Then she resents that others step in to caretake her.

        I also believe that one reason she has alarge family and wants more kids is because she hides in her family and is dependant on her children emotionally. That’s why she freaks about them leaving home.
        I don’t doubt her love, just find her neediness to be unhealthy.

    • error404 says:

      not sure how you came to these conclusions.

      1. Big Kathy married many rich men, so how was Kim the “sole” supporter. “Main” maybe. “Sometimes sole” maybe. She also recognizes that her sisters worked. Yes, these were usually contacts made thru her fame, guest appearances in small roles on her own shows, etc.. but I don’t think she thinks “sole”.

      2. She made more money than Kyle. She married richer men than Kyle. Why would she expect Kyle to support her? Support her on what? Mauricio is a real-a-tour. Is real estate in some sort of boom only the Richards know about. Even the government seems to think the collapse of the residential real estate market is the main cause of the current recession. As for the new house, it’s a buyer’s market and a lot of realtors are currently buying because of it.

      3. What? I’m sure there is a story or two out there of managers stealing ALL of their clients money, but usually they don’t. The list of “Momagers” and other parents who just use their kids as cash cow, then toss them aside when they are “done” is a very long list indeed.

      • Adgirl says:

        3. If Kim is claiming she “bought” the family home, is she referring to the money Big Kathy siphoned off as manager fees and used to purchase the home?
        Would Kim think she has rights to an outside business manager’s home because he bought it with proceeds earned by managing Kim’s career?

        If Kim’s earnings outside of manager fees to Big Kathy was used to purchase the home then she is right. I think she should have sued to reclaim the money or the family should have voluntarily returned the misgotten assests.

  37. Adgirl says:

    Since we are coming full circle to RHNY again (yey!) I have to tell you that I’ve been reading a book about the Eiffel Tower and 1889 World’s Fair in Paris.

    It seems the Count De Lesseps pleaded with Eiffel to re-engineer the doomed Panama Canal that De Lesseps was building. De Lesseps was just digging a channel between two oceans and it was a disaster. Eiffel agreed and the lock system was added.
    It was too late because De Lesseps’s project went bankrupt and the investors lost everything. The project obviously was correctly built later.

    Everytime I think of the Count & Countless it cracks me up.

  38. sydney says:

    In the “old days” Kelsey and Katye would have been run out of Hollywood ala the Ingrid Bergman/Roberto Rosellini affair. Unfortunately today we (all of society) have lost our sense of decorum….illegit babies, affairs overlapping one’s divorce, discussing one’s dirty laundry on TV, without being the least bit apologetic, or embarrased. Apparently if one’s behaviour is openly discussed then anything’s OK. Well some of these views have been instrumental in the breakdown of the American family.

    On the other hand at least Katye doesn’t look like your typical Bev Hills plastic surgery maven….she looks very much like the girl next door, but that still doesn’t mean you should flaunt your affair on national TV. Meow.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kelsey isn’t being very mature or considerate about the dissolution of his marriage or what effect this will have on his children. And I really question the motives of his fiancee….sadly she will someday see Kelsey do the same to her. Meow, meow!

    • California35 says:

      I thought that the hurry was because of the pregnancy, but he is still in a hurry even after the misscarage. He might still want to do the “right” thing to her by marrying her becasue even though she lost the baby, she got pregnant, and he loves her, etc etc etc…but I wonder why still in a hurry. hhhmm maybe he should just wait a while.

    • quincyil says:

      Who knows what she will look like in a few years? Kelsey seemed to enjoy Camille’s augmentations.

    • Adgirl says:

      He is an a hurry because he’s an Addict!

      He loves the rush of something new! new! new!
      Rushing head long into parenthood, engagement, divorce, marriage (quoting Mary Amons “not neccessarily in that order”) is exciting!

  39. sydney says:

    It seems the Count De Lesseps pleaded with Eiffel to re-engineer the doomed Panama Canal that De Lesseps was building. De Lesseps was just digging a channel between two oceans and it was a disaster. Eiffel agreed and the lock system was added. It was too late because De Lesseps’s project went bankrupt and the investors lost everything.

    ***So glad you brought this up. I too viewed the PBS AMERICAN MASTERS episode this week and when the narrator mentioned DeLesseps I just about you-know-whatted in my knickers, especially when he mentioned DeLesseps had been charged with monetary inpropriety. Guess Luanne thought we’d never hear the truth.
    http://video.pbs.org/video/1747929120

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I don’t really care of the Imperfect Woman website, too many women there drank the Kate Gosselin kool-aid my liking.

  40. sydney says:

    Sorta off topic….but has anyone else noticed the absolutely beautiful Venetian mirror always seen over Lisa’s shoulder when she’s being interviewed/filmed. Gawd I love those mirrors but they’re thousands of dollars. Love Lisa’s dressing area, it’s so scrumptous.

  41. Codystl says:

    Why does Taylor always have these little side conversations? Why can’t she say what she wants to say directly? The remark to Kyle about Kim’s state of mind was ridiculous. She did the same thing at the dinner party. She kept telling Adrienne to stop the chaos.

  42. Adgirl says:

    Reality TV hits home with its interior designs

    In the first episode of this season’s hit Bravo show “The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills,” we are treated to long, lingering looks at how the other half lives, a world replete with votive candles, oversize white sectional sofas and a cast of self-absorbed women who even at 11 a.m. have a glass of white wine in hand.
    “I really think that of all the Housewives, they are the most glamorous,” says Justin Wittenberg, a 25-year-old Bay Area native who lives in San Francisco. Like millions of other fans, Wittenberg is transfixed by the Housewives’ petty foibles and the kind of to-the-manor-born excess that would make even the Beverly Hillbillies blush. “Lisa Vanderpump’s house is really my favorite. It’s just really classy and elegant.”
    More …..

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/25/DD2C1HAOUE.DTL#ixzz1CGwwmuMh

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      If my home had it’s own stylist (and I had the money) it would still not look like those fabulous houses. I love the landscaping of Lisa and Camille’s houses.

      • California35 says:

        I love the scene when she is cutting flowers, it looks so peacefull and beautiful…she looked great too 🙂

      • Adgirl says:

        I like extreme anything. If I could have several homes (not fancy mind you) I would be so happy.
        I adore: Modern (I live in a mid-century modern), an English cottage, a high mountain cabin and a Tuscon or Provence style country home.
        I would be so happy to play with them!

        • quincyil says:

          If it has to be dusted. I don’t want it.

          • California35 says:

            How about if some body else does the dustin for you? 😀

            I agree though, less is better. We want things to look nice but not the work it takes to make it look nice 😛

          • AZ Girl says:

            Don’t move to AZ you will go nuts! I dust everyday.

            • Adgirl says:

              Dusting? Wasssdat?

              I keep all my crazy collectibles & doodads in glass cabinets or framed so I don’t have to dust all that crap.

            • quincyil says:

              My husband told me that the reason Iranian housewives all have full time servants is the dust from the desert.

          • buffywood says:

            Do you know what I do for duest? I kid you not every Spring I get out the leaf blower. I start in the back corner by the bathroom and make my way to the back door with it on full speed. With rafters and walls made of stone fight the dust is a losing battle. After the remaining dust settles I wash the hardwood floors and I consider it a success.

  43. sydney says:

    Kim claims somehere that she and her 4 children moved to AZ to care for her mother, Big Kathy, and returned to “discover” her name was no longer on the title. Her characterization makes it sound like a huge surprise.

    *****Watch this vid, supposedly from 2002, I say supposedly because if that’s true then Kim has aged 20+ years in the last 8-9 years….alcohol and sun damage have taken their toll.
    At about the 4 minute mark in this video, from Entertainment Tonight, Kim Richards, looking younger and happier, and her mother Kathy Fenton, shortly before Kathy’s death in 2002, discuss Kim’s moving to AZ to care for her mom.

    I can’t believe how good looking she was just 8-9 years ago……time’s a bitch.

    • mariareads says:

      It’s amazing how the skin is affected by the environment and what we put in our bodies. Alcohol is a bad one for anyone’s skin as is smoking. My brother has finally just quit smoking and he has reduced the amount he drinks. He is not an alcoholic but he always drank more than I was comfortable with. I am 3 years older and people think I’m 10 years younger than I am and that my brother is older than me by that much. He has wrinkles, which I don’t have and his skin has lost elasticity. Hard to describe. Kim is fair and it’s much worse for her type. I suspect she smoked or still smokes and if she was drinking and/or drugging, it really aged her quickly. She looks like women I know who are in their 70’s and fair, not a woman in her mid to upper 40’s. Sad.

    • sydney says:

      OOOPS!! Here’s the vid link.

  44. WSL says:

    In case u haven’t done this yet !

    Jill revealed an exciting secret:
    She is offering fans a personal phone call when “The Real Housewives of New York” premiers Feb. 15. Sign up for her newsletter now for all the details at http://www.jil lzarin.com/latest- news/want-jill-zarin-to-call-you/
    Boy is Jill raking in the doe !

    • AZ Girl says:

      Great a personal phone call….”Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii” like a foghorn in the earpiece.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      We are blessed that Jill is already doing jillz things for our amusement and the season hasn’t even started!

    • Adgirl says:

      If you buy 10 copies of her paperback Secrets of a Shrewish Mother with the extra chapter on “bullying” she will call you personally at a preplanned time!

      Is she offering tips on “How-to” bully?

      @WSL – As a gift I will buy you 10 or 20 copies so you can hear from ill’s own lips her wisdom on “bullying”.

  45. Adgirl says:

    My husband frequently points out that a family’s attention is always consumed by the “broken” child.
    So true.
    All of the energy and material wealth are pointed towards “saving” that individual who usually could care for themselves if only they had a mind to.

    • klmh says:

      I suppose there is one in every family. I liked your husband’s quote too.

    • error404 says:

      Thank you. I am so glad you used the word child. Very important. When we were kids, most of the attention went toward the one problem child. Now that we are adults, each with our own family, we usually just ignore the problem child.

      As children, Kim was the family breadwinner. Her adult struggles with alcohol are her adult struggles with alcohol. I pegged Kyle right away as someone who volunteers a favor and then throw it back up in your face non stop. If she chose to support her adult sister, than she chose to support her. Now it appears she has chosen to expose her sister publicly as “ungrateful”. Whatever. Same old horrible behavior by Kyle, just a bigger crowd to watch it.

    • quincyil says:

      The broken child in our family pulled himself up by the bootstraps.

  46. WSL says:

    Ad Girl. “I don’t see Camille as a very warm person”.
    Unless she is humping the tennis player ?
    Or talking about how beautiful her boobs are to the gal’s husbands.

  47. quincyil says:

    Announcing a new entity on the Internet: The Subset Blog

    The “I Love Jill Zarin” blog on the Prairie by quincyil Jan. 27

    This subset blog is dedicated to only good things about Jill Zarin of the Real Housewives of NYC. I have to google Jill Zarin’s tweets. Good news, the New York Post is now following the tweets of Jill Zarin. So, I went to the twitter of the New York Post and this is what they have to say:

    “Video: Gorilla Walks” The video was not of Jill Zarin, but the Gorilla did walk.

    Jill Zarin was gone most of the day yesterday. She was unhappy with the number of security people and long lines at “Ohare,” yesterday. She did make it back to NYC though.

    Jill and Kelly went to a Knicks game. Jill also asked for people to be nice to Kelly because she was a friend to Jill when she didn’t think she had many.

    Lauren gave Jill “scrapasa boots boots” I’m not sure what that is, but I am assuming that is footware.

    A hub pages blog got 15,000 hits after Jill tweeted their blog. Congrats to that blog from the “I Love Jill Zarin” blog on the praire/subset blog of IHJZ. It is our dream to be honored by Jill Zarin in this way someday.

    No mention of what she ate today, but I will update my blog if she describes her food this evening.

    Remember ….only positive comments are allowed on this subset blog. If you want to make a comment that Strega would delete and ban your for, start your own post below. This space is dedicated to Jill Zarin’s request for an “I Love Jill Zarin” blog.

    I won’t be able to tweet these good tidings as I don’t tweet so no one on the planet will know about this subset blog.

    I and Strega thank you for following our rules.

    quincy….and Strega…

    • lillybee says:

      Keep up the good work, Quincy.

    • Katie says:

      “Strega” – so funny and fuck Strega 🙂

    • Adgirl says:

      I like Jills hair.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Hi Quincy!

      Just wanted to pop in for a minute and say hi! to all. I know WSL has filled all you in on all my traveling 😉 just wanted to say how much I miss all of you!

      And Quincy, thank you so much for the new I LOVE JILL ZARIN sub blog.

      Does this make you a sub blog mistress? (sounds vaguely naughty…)

      My goodness what an action packed schedule for our Jill! It makes Camille look like a true slacker! Just a quick question for the “soothsayer”- when did Jill poop? Surely she’s tweeting that too?

      Jill honey? we want to know it allllll…when are your Spankies coming out?

      Don’t hold back on us, for your I LOVE JILL ZARIN blog to be successful sometimes one must bow to public pressure!

      (so did we do it Quincy? is it at 1000 hits an hour yet?)

      • HD says:

        I have missed you OMIB!!

      • quincyil says:

        Hi, one more. In the “I Love Jill Zarin” blog on the prarie, a subblog of IHJZ, we welcome you. Thank you for bringing joy to our very quiet piece of cyberspace.

        I don’t have a meter to monitor subblog hits. But you are the third person to stop by and for that I am grateful. Jill will be so happy too.

        Remember everyone, if you buy 10 paperback books from Jill, she will make arrangements for a personal telephone call to you humble abode or cell phone.

  48. Katie says:

    To be honest, while I’m excited about the reunion tonight, I’m not looking forward to the bickering. I’d rather spend time watching them go through their closets, watch them cook, garden, put on makeup, run their business. Something, anything, lighter, normal and calming.

    • California35 says:

      Me too.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      It is a reunion for the HWs as some have likely not kept in touch once filming a season has ended. To viewers it should be to answer fans’ questions – really answer the questions not Dandy Andy dancing around them. I don’t really want to see them fight or continue fights.

    • klmh says:

      Me too. Have the Australian Open ready to switch if it gets too uncomfy.

  49. HD says:

    Are we all watching Donny’s show or not? I like to be able to keep up with shows so I can comment.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      His commercials are very annoying and frankly I don’t know who he is or his claim to fame. As part of my tv slimming diet, I won’t be watching.

    • Adgirl says:

      No. No. No. Please no.

      • HD says:

        Lol. I remember he had some business show on some station. I used to watch it every now and again. People would come show their inventions or talk about their business and he would advise them. I guess he is a jack of all trades. I wonder why they would not get a man that is a “love doctor” for real?

  50. Brigid A. says:

    West coast time here which means a couple of more hours until the reunion of the BH ladies. Everyone have their fishbowl size cocktails ready??? One of those gigantic cocktails would definitely enhance my viewing pleasure or should I say my “state of mind” (downward Taylor-style gaze). Looking forward to all the post-reunion comments!!

    • Nancy says:

      I wonder what Taylors “State of mind” was when she and her husband stole money from people that couldn’t afford to loose it? THEY ARE DIRTBAGS!

      • Brigid A. says:

        Deny, backtrack, explain, spin, insist that she didn’t do or say things that we clearly saw on film…I don’t know how Taylor keeps her stories straight.

    • Kellita says:

      I already started! Lol. I had a glass of cab with dinner. I’ll have my second glass at show time. 🙂

    • error404 says:

      yes, in honor of our girl Kim, we’ll be tipping it tonight. Unfortunately, I’m a lightweight and after just a half glass of white wine, I’m tipsy, so I here-forth relinquish all responsibility for whatever I type here form this moment on. LOL

    • Adgirl says:

      You can watch @ 6PM if you have an Bravo HD channel. Mine is 733.

      • error404 says:

        I’m kinda a fuddy-duddy, sometimes HD freaks me out. Do I really needs to see “warts and all”.
        As Jackie Beat once said “I saw this commercial that said HD TV was like having the world there in your living room with you. Have they seen the News lately?” LOL

        • Adgirl says:

          I don’t even know that most shows delivered on the HD network are filmed in HD. I don’t think RH is filming in HD. Everyone looks the same as on regular Bravo. The time that the show appears on the west coast is 3 hours early so I watch Bravo on the the HD channel.

  51. DarkSonnet says:

    Did anyone else notice Kyle’s rather thick middle in the Reunion pictures when the HW were standing for a photo op?

    There was another picture posted that also looked very un-Kyle like in the dress she was wearing and the appearance of an expanded middle.

    She also seemed very fond of having a pillow next to her during the reunion filming.

    ????

    • Brigid A. says:

      Yes, I noticed the cushion/pillow, too. Wasn’t she joining hands with Kim or Taylor on it? Odd. Wonder where the reunion was filmed. Maybe part of the hotel decor?

      • DarkSonnet says:

        Because of the odd placement, I noticed it more when Kyle was on the couch to the right of the screen, before she moved to sit next to Kim.

        It appears that she has indeed added some weight/bulk or that she is pregnant.

    • Kellita says:

      But on Regis & Kelly yesterday, she didn’t look preggers.

      • Fairweather Viewer says:

        No she didn’t, but I could have done without her “beaver shot” outfit. At least it wasn’t as bad as the outfit she was wearing in the final episode though. I figured out who the designer of that outfit was though. It was “Hefty”. I hear they make some great garbage bags.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        she looked thin on R&K and maybe she was wearing double spanx like that OC wife on Fashion Show….

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I thought several of them looked a little thicker, but assumed it was either the dresses or the lighting.

      • Brigid A. says:

        Kyle openly frets about her weight, explaining that it’s still her post-baby fat. How old is Portia? Kyle has a personal trainer. Anyway, she wears a lot of flowy, peasant style tops, or outfits with those dolman (sp?) sleeves. Since she seems self-conscious about her mid-section, I can’t fathom why she squeezes herself into those bandage dresses like the one she wore to Taylor’s party.

  52. Zarout! says:

    Not sure if this has been said already, but I find it funny that Taylor picks on Kim – the one with the least money. You can BEST believe she would never pull the nonsense she pulls with Kim on Lisa, Adrianne (sp?), or Camille. She’s a gold digging, back stabbing, snake (with a really scary face, I might add).

  53. twoile says:

    OT Thought you may b interested in the news “Radar on-line” (was unable to link 4 some reason) notes that Dr Paul Nassif phoned 911 4 Charlie Sheen, bet it is “our” Dr. Paul Nassif….;0)

  54. Fairweather Viewer says:

    Ok…Taylor is now using Kim’s alleged “state of mind” as her excuse for the “go Oklahoma on you” comment? Well to me, that just makes Taylor look worse because that means Taylor likes to argue, threaten, intimidate, humiliate and alienate people even when she knows they are obviously mentally unstable. I agree with whoever said upthread (dreemz?), in Taylor’s mind when she made her threatening statement, she was justified because Kim was in a “state of mind” so it was ok, plus Kyle didn’t seem to care. What makes it even more sickening is that Taylor continued with these types of confrontations with Kim all the while being fully aware of Kim’s alleged problem.
    Also, I find it amusing that when it comes to Camille arguing that “editing” was the reason she came off looking so bad with the Kyle issue and that not everything was shown, that it is not an acceptable argument, but when Kyle claims it or Taylor claims that same thing, it is suppose to be acceptable. They can’t have it both ways. I certainly believe editing is part of it but it is across the board and not just one situation over the other.

  55. Rabble Rouser says:

    Can’t wait…it’s less than an hour….can I get a Whooooo Hoooo!

  56. California35 says:

    Okay so we are watching fights about things we didn’t see the start of? I hope my question makes sence 😛 The thing is that Camille and Kyle keep going at it over something we didn’t see because it was off camera….Kyle telling Camille that no one cares about her if Kelsey isn’t there…we didn’t see it, so it keeps being Camille’s word against Kyle. The fight with Kim and Kyle…also about something we didn’t see. Kyle snaps at Kim because what Kim has put Kyle through…off comera. We have discussed about Kim and Kyle’s dinamics and wondered how bad things have been for each of them, we have said poor Kim and also poor Kyle. We feel for both or one of them…but my point on this is that the two big problems/fights we witness were about something done or said off camera.

    • California35 says:

      Sorry I didn’t finish….

      So why do they keep defending themselves by bringing up what we didn’t see? We keep wondering, they basically plant the seed of doubt. Maybe Kyle said that to Camille, maybe Camille missunderstood…we will never know. Kim’s thing gets worst because in this case Kyle is the one accusing Kim….then Taylor brings that up also…why becasue Kyle does it, it makes it okay for Taylor?

      Adrienne and Lisa seem to try to stay out of it, when they speak and say what they really mean they are not as popular with the other girls. The girls just pay attention to those who are on “their” side, in other words who tell them what they want to hear. Adriane and Lisa are in a bad position because they don’t want trouble, but they want to help.

      Okay….we will see what happens tonight….I hope that we get some answers and conclusions…

      • Cusi77 says:

        CA35 girl! I do believe that Kyle was “really” in the interrogation mood she is … like all the time!

    • Brigid A. says:

      Didn’t we see Camille and Kyle apologize and make up at Taylor’s Roaring 20’s party? I recall a lot of hugs, giggles, jumping up and down and all was well, followed by a couple of other kiss-and-make up parties. And now on the reunion those two are fighting again about the same ridiculous NY convo!!! In the preview, Kyle is doing her usual screaming, finger wagging, talking over everyone. If I had DVR, I’d fast forward.

    • error404 says:

      Kyle keeps bringing it up, over and over again. You would think it was in her best interest to let it die, but she keeps bringing it back up. Kyle and Kim and in their 40s! But when Kim said that she’d been a good sister to Kyle, Kyle suddenly brought up the NY incident and started it all over again, even though she told us in her later filmed commentary that she’d gotten over it and forgiven Kim, even though she wrote in her Bravo blog that she’d gotten over it and forgiven Kim weeks later she’s still talking about it as proof that Kim is a bad sister. OMG. Poor Mauricio!

  57. Cusi77 says:

    I want Camille to kick Taylor’s “eyes” for that “insignificant remarque!

    Thanks Lynn for this Blog!

  58. Why did Bravo cut out the bit with Kyle phoning down and stopping Kim from leaving?

  59. HD says:

    I’m lost. Quincy-Yesterday I thought the I Love Jill Zarin blog was a joke. Now, today it seems it is a reality. Is this a real blog or not?

    Honestly I think it is going overboard. I Hate Jill Zarin is enough for me I will never go to that site.

    • quincyil says:

      It’s only a subblog. Real blogs have web addresses. Trust me. Over time, even the good tweets will are going to be so annoying that you will continue to be a member of IHJZ blog. Wait until she starts tweeting about her fans.

      The fans in Aruba and the fans in Chicago made her so happy.

      When the season begins and all of the secrets ooze out and those secrets will ooze, you are going to be surpised that the subblog actually gave you hints of what is to come. The subblog is going to tell you the future.

      Trust me.

  60. Brigid A. says:

    The limo scene from the finale is on right now. Heartbreaking and disturbing. Why did Bravo hold this reunion before we saw the finale? I’d like Andy to answer that.

  61. HD says:

    Time for the Reunion! Lynn, I cannot WAIT for your recap of this tomorrow!! 🙂

  62. Amber...Real Wife says:

    I HATE KYLE! SHE IS VILE! UGGH!

    • Amber...Real Wife says:

      BALLS OF A BURGLAR! SHE IS THE SHIT OF A BULL!

      • Brigid A. says:

        Quick comment during commercial break. With all the Richards/Hilton money, couldn’t they afford orthodontic work for Kyle’s underbite? She’s a beautiful woman, but when she gets angry and starts her neck/head roll, she’s all lower teeth and protruding jaw. Scary.

      • boston02127 says:

        The shit of the bull! bwhahahahaha, that’s going to be my new saying. 🙂

  63. error404 says:

    Feisty!

    Lisa is coming off much more aggressive live than on the show. Ouch!

    Kyle has like a bullshit-o-meter when it comes to Camille. She has a pint, it’s all excuses and double talk with our Mrs. Grammer.

    And anyone who vowed to take a shot whenever Camille mentions Kelsey must already be drunk already.

  64. DarkSonnet says:

    After watching less than 15 minutes, I find I have enough animosity for several of the housewives… Who knew…. 🙂

  65. Shannon says:

    Ten minutes into it and Taylor is already making me mad. So if we say something about them then we are cowards because we sit behind a computer?

    • Brigid A. says:

      She puts her life out there on a reality show for the FANS. Hello, Taylor!!! You wouldn’t have a reality show if no one watched it. She invites comments on her Bravo blog, but now we have no right to comment because we’re all out here in front of our computer making mean comments? She’s a fool.

    • mariareads says:

      Taylor is one nasty piece of work. I thought the things she said and the faces she was making to Kim were so mean and cruel. Asking about her state of mind at the time was a threat to reveal something, obviously. What a freaking bitch and low life. That woman is evil. Trust me on this. There is something really wrong with her. And by the way, she is hideous to look at. We all think Kelly looks like a man? I think Taylor outdoes kooky Kelly by far. She looks dreadful! There is something up with her and it isn’t anything good. ‘My charity’. I hate that phrase. We all participate in charities, Taylor. Even we poor folk who have to churn our own butter and change the oil in our jalopies find the time to do community service. Should I call them “my charities’? If so, just rename me freaking Eleanor Roosevelt! Ohhh. she makes me so mad! The reunion sealed it for me. I think she is one evil bitch.

      There. That’s better! Snow day be gone. Having been locked inside all day has made me one cranky Mary! My apologies ladies and gent!

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      If we said it to her face-she’d call us stalkers.

  66. Kellita says:

    Aww…….I’m feeling sorry for Camille and the demise of her marriage. And I think she’s holding up well under fire.

  67. HD says:

    Taylor is TRULY pissing me off!

    • Katie says:

      Me too!!!! Can’t stand her

      • Nancy says:

        When Andy made that remark about all of them being rich…Taylor & Russell are ANYTHING but rich. They filed chapter 7 a few yrs ago and they RENT their house. I wonder how she got on this show? EVERYTHING that comes out of her mouth is a lie!

    • Shannon says:

      OK. I’m going to say it. I never thought I would feel this way about any other housewife. I dislike Taylor more then I dislike Jill. Wow! Now I feel better.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Me too….

      • Thelittlewife says:

        Holy crap! That was going to be my post!! Taylips has passed JZ by a mile for me. But since I am just a coward I will be cringing in a corner. If only the great Taylips would give me her cell number I could come out of the shadows and go all North Carolina on her arse. Verbally of course. I don’t like her enough to exert any physical energy. Plus I actually eat so I could just sit on her and wait for her to tap out but I digress.

    • Kellita says:

      Ugh. Me, too!! She deflects every challenge and won’t take responsibility. She’s just mean.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Ditto and then some…. She needs you to open a can of Whoop Azz on her. (Since you have the street cred and all….. 🙂

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      If you go on twitter and type in @tayloratweets under the search, she is getting BLASTED!

      Her weird ass “Allison DeBious” faces are also annoying

  68. Amber...Real Wife says:

    OMG

    I HATE TAYLOR TOO! SHE JUST THREATENED KIM AND KYLE DID NOTHING! SHE DID GO THERE! I’M GASPING!

  69. error404 says:

    I hope Taylor really does do some awesome work for that charity, because she is taking a real hit here and she is not spinning it very well. Nothing she said even made any sense.

  70. error404 says:

    Was that a threat?

  71. HD says:

    Andy, poor? I doubt it. Eye rollage!

  72. Scorpiosue1102 says:

    Taylor is just an awful person. I cannot stand her. Kyle seemed to do a Jill Zarin and not really pay attention to Taylor as Taylor was asking if they should bring up Kim’s state of mind or whatever it was. Kyle looked like she didn’t want to go there kind of like with Jill and Kelly at their reunion.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I wonder what Taylor’s state of mind was like…
      It reminds me of when Homer Simpson was on jury duty “meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow,meow, meow, meow”.

  73. Cusi77 says:

    First truth out of Camille’s mouth “Kyle is a bully”!!!!! Well said!

  74. Katie says:

    Well this is not answering any of my questions at all!

  75. Zarout! says:

    You know, for someone who is so upset that her sister didn’t stand up for her, Kyle certainly doesn’t do jack to stick up for Kim. What a hypocrite. I don’t care what my sister did to me, there’s no way I would sit there and let some beyotch talk to my sister like that in front of me. One way street much, Kyle?

    • Brigid A. says:

      But Kim seems to be keeping her cool and staying poised while Taylor is making an ass of herself. Good job, Kim!!!

  76. Amber...Real Wife says:

    I WANT TO STOMP ON TAYLOR’S UPPERLIP AND PULL IT OVER HER HEAD! Then I’ll fling ther across the room from said lip…if I were President! LOL

  77. Kellita says:

    It’s too bad they filmed The Reunion way before the limo scene. It almost seems out-of-date.

  78. error404 says:

    Taylor does have a huge mouth though. She looks like a muppet.

  79. error404 says:

    If I ever become a Real Housewife, I better get rid of my nervous laughter probelm before the reunion. Taylor’s laughing really comes off badly, like it’s fake.

  80. overaggression says:

    I wonder who told Camille about what happened it that limo with the pictures after they left her house?

  81. Cusi77 says:

    I have never laugh so much in a reunion!

  82. error404 says:

    Divorce bucket! I love it!

  83. RubyNewbie says:

    I can’t make any sense of Taylor’s hostility toward Kim. Is there something that happened off camera that needs explaining? It really is a little creepy and it bugs me that Kyle won’t ask Taylor to back off. And treating Kim’s alleged drinking like it’s the most awful and dirty secret ever is just stupid. Shaming her won’t help matters. Real old mean girls!

    • Kim says:

      Because poor Kim is the only one below her in the pecking order. Also, she knows that Taylor is the one who said insecure.

      • Brigid A. says:

        “Insignificant.” LOL! But Taylor is getting a free pass from Andy because apparently they’re not going to show the Taylor/Kim conversation.

    • klmh says:

      Or Kim’s to Taylor. Would be interesting to find out. Maybe next week? Nah…

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I think Taylor treats Kim badly to try to win a few points with Kyle.

    • mariareads says:

      Kim can’t do anything for her. She’s not rich like the other women and people like Taylor, who have a sketchy life, have to live off of others always looking for a way in, a smoke screen. She’s a bully and that’s the truth. If she ever spoke to any of the other women the way she speaks to Kim it would be a nuclear blast. I have a feeling there is going to be major fall out for this one and not just from this show. We’re going to hear some news about her in the future that is just not good. Grifter that she is along with that con husband of here.
      ARGHHHH! I’m not involved w/ people like her! And I live in a wealthy area and these people have been all over the world (not me) and the would have her for lunch. Seriously. Who does she think she is? SHE’S even more delusional than the Camille skeletor.

      • Nancy says:

        THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU!!!!!!!
        SHE’S A SCAM ARTIST!! AND A BITCH!
        IT WAS GREAT WHEN KIM HELD HER OWN WHEN “TAYLOR” STARTED UP WITH HER!

    • nathania says:

      it’s codependent. She’s trying to curry favor with Kyle because they are both copping the martyr act, so Taylor is in effect saying “I’ll protect you from this evil woman who taxes you so”. They both make me sick.

      The ‘pull some Oklahoma on you’ garbage from Taylor is so much the same as Kyle’s attacking Kim in the limo, or her “scuse me, you’re boring me” comments to Allison DuBois, or calling Camille a “f*cking liar”. It’s so clear who both of these women were in high school, and how badly they both wish those days had never ended.

  84. TLM says:

    Well thanks to the complete BASTARDS at Comcast, the Reunion froze at 9:27, reappeared at 9:36 for a minute, and is now frozen again. Do they PLAN these things??? All the storms we’ve had and didn’t have an interruption, and now we’ve had no storms for a whole day and it f**** up at 9:27 pm. THANKS COMCAST!!!!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Those Comcast bastards! Same thing happened here.

    • mariareads says:

      That’s why we dropped them and went to Verizon Fios. No problems. When we had Comcast they were here every week about something. I freaking fired them and it felt good. If you can -look into Fios. We have had no problems in 2 years and life is good!

      • TLM says:

        I did look into it, but even their salesperson said it didn’t make sense for me at this point since I would only need them for TV, and they do that whole package-deal thing with Internet and phone. But it is constantly freezing, “blinking” (where the screen goes black for a couple seconds and then the pictures come back) and pixelating. Someone explained to me that that’s the same as a video buffering on the computer. It seems to me things were better before the switch to digital.

  85. error404 says:

    Andy is getting tougher… trying to get Taylor to cop to stirring the pot, trying to get Camille to own up to being insecure..

    • NormaJean says:

      He’s also protecting Kyle alot so far.

      • error404 says:

        It’s kind of interesting because Kyle is Kyle, and when it’s Kyle vs. Camille, I’m Team Kyle, but when it’s Kyle vs. Kim, I’m team Kim, but Kyle is really the same. Camille just seems like a bullshitter to me, so I don’t mind Kyle “bullying” her to admit the truth. But the few words Kim does speak, all seem to make perfect sense to me, so Kyle’s “bullying” does seem harsher somehow.

        • If You Had It Like This says:

          Kyle goes from 0 to 60 in 2 seconds. I think she’s one of those people who enjoys getting angry and getting worked up. I know plenty of people like that. They kind of get into telling people off.

        • Adgirl says:

          It makes me crazy that Kim never gets to finish a sentence. She is meek and everyone dismisses & ignores her. I want to know what she thinks!

          • error404 says:

            this was her 2nd chance to say what she hear din Las Vegas, but instead, she again decided to evade the question and just talk about how she hates conflict. She certainly did a lot of eye rolling when Kyle was denying she ever said it and that Camille made it all up.

            • If You Had It Like This says:

              I really believe Kim knows Kyle insinuated some of that stuff Camille said. Probably wasn’t exactly what Camille said but Kyle is very cutting. Kim’s way of having Kyle’s back may just be to keep her mouth shut in her mind.

              • nathania says:

                One thing I can’t get past is that Kyle and Camille had a fight, so out of loyalty to Kyle, Kim tells Camille that she can’t socialize with Camille.

                However, Kim and Taylor have a fight, and I have yet to see any sign that Kyle, out of loyalty to Kim, has put the kibbosh on her *fiendship* with Taylor.

                Talk about a double standard. Kim might be using substances just to deal with Kyle’s inconsistency and craziness. (Joking.)

            • Kellita says:

              I know. You gotta wonder what Kim actually heard.

            • Brigid A. says:

              I would have loved to hear Kim quietly tell both her sister and Camille to grow up, get a freakin life, and quit trying to drag her into their idiotic feud that occurred almost a year ago!

              Or even better, she could stand up and scream ENOUGH, ENOUGH!

            • Waslurking says:

              She said she didn’t want to get in the middle of it ’cause it would be a no win situation for her no matter what. The other ‘ladies’ were close to one extent or the other and she was/is odd man out.
              Turns out she was right!….

        • mariareads says:

          Agree with you error. Completely.

  86. kmuellfa says:

    OK so bravo tv has gone out 3 times during the reunion. ARRRRRRRGH! I’ve missed at least 20 minutes.

  87. klmh says:

    Guess who broke Kim’s alcohol issue? Doesn’t look like it was Taylor, but Lisa, our lovely Lisa!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Lisa wants Kim to get help – it is pretty apparent that alot of what we haven’t seen is because of Kim’s behavior. IMO Kim starts crap, everyone tiptoes around it and Lisa isn’t doing it anymore.

      • klmh says:

        She might want to help, but to me it is not her business to open this issue up on nat’l TV. I like Lisa, but she is very domineering, as we have seen not only this evening, but at other times as well.
        An example, to me, would be, hey, anyone who wants Botox or plastic surgery, that’s their business. But blasting Taylor for her child’s birthday party, isn’t that her business? There are several examples of Lisa’s strong personality during the season, its just that an intervention between family members and friends would surely have been Kim’s choice.
        We’ll see next week though.

        • nathania says:

          she clearly does NOT like Taylor. I mean, realllllllllly doesn’t like her. Next season, the gloves will probably come off.

      • Katie says:

        So far from what I’ve seen, Lisa wants her to get help but doesn’t throw it up in her face or use it as an excuse like Taylor does. I don’t see where Kim caused any problems, she defended herself and accurately called Taylor out.

      • error404 says:

        Sorry WCW but either you are an “insider” who knows these people, or you are reading your own story between the lines. This is not the first time the whole “Kim caused problems with the filming” thing came up, so either dish or admit you’re pulling it out of thin air please. If that’s your conjecture, fair enough. We all speculate. But let’s just remember all of the “IMO”s etc… unless you really do have info you’re not sharing, then please dish. Thanks.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        If Kim starts crap, she must be slicker than Danielle. All this crap Kim starts and no once do the camera’s capture it.

    • error404 says:

      Kyle let the cat out of the bag during the finale. All of Taylor’s threats to discuss it during the reunion are as stupid as she is. We all know already! Seriously, do you really think Andy Cohen and his bosses at Bravo are going to film a two part reunion and not confront the Richards about the limo fight? Seriously?

      • klmh says:

        I don’t think this needed to be brought up during a question and answer television show. Not quite the same, is it?
        The fight will of course be brought up, thats a given. What the preview shows is that Lisa brings her problem to the forefront.
        Your question about me being serious is yes, Im serious.

        • error404 says:

          addiction can happen to anyone, and threatening to expose it like it’s a dirty secret is a shocking position for someone who works in substance abuse charities. Just as threatening violence is a curious position to take when you’re the admitted “victim” of violence and a spokesperson for anti-abuse. Taylor’s “we’ll talk about it later ” to me exposes that they all pre-agreed to talk about Kim’s addiction struggles during part two.

          • klmh says:

            Did she say anything about addiction? No. You are presuming and that qualifies I believe, for an imo, doesn’t it? Guess we’ll have to wait until next week.
            Your guess is as good as mine.

            • error404 says:

              IMO, “state of mind” refers to addiction. Any other theories? Is she calling Kim mentally ill now? Or was she referring to Kim being distracted by a lost contact lens?

              • klmh says:

                I’ll wait until next week. I really don’t like to presume or speculate negatively on someone or something.
                It was simply interesting to me that Lisa was the one that apparently brought the subject up. Who knows, maybe someone else did.

          • Amber...Real Wife says:

            Yes it seems they will be backing Kyles claims as witnesses for the persecution!

            Also once again for a person who heads a charity against abuse, Taylor sure uses the tried and true form of intimidation by threats of violence and outing secrets like all abusers.

          • If You Had It Like This says:

            Gawd! I felt the same way. It blows my mind. I can’t believe Taylor can be so shameless in her disdain for Kim and so completely without sympathy. Very odd for such a “charitable” person.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          Ummm- when Taylor was referring to Kim’s I don’t think she meant PMS.

  88. vilzvet says:

    Love Kim’s whole look but Camille’s right breast almost achieved Nipplegate. Bad fitting.

  89. I thought part one of the reunion was boring. I hope part two is much better. 😦

  90. error404 says:

    So… Camille has given up “editing” and has now decided that ” I was going thru a divorce at the time” is the g to answer for every question. I loved when Kyle said “Who told you to say that?” re; Bullying. Did Camille hire Jill’s team of 4 before the reunion?

  91. nancy says:

    so lame was this first reuion. Hope it gets better next time.

  92. WindyCityWondering says:

    Bravo needs a camera on all of them so we can see their reactions to the questions!

    • nathania says:

      the strangest thing about tonight was that so many times, so many of them (namely Adrienne, Kim, and Lisa) looked bored out of their skulls. I have never noticed boredom on a reunion show before, but it was there tonight. The DC reunion was actually more lively than this one.

  93. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Reunion didn’t live up to the hype. The most amazing stuff was threats by Taylor of stuff left unsaid about Kim.

    • nathania says:

      I know…I just wish once the meanies would kick up in Kim and she would say something to Taylor like, “someone might look at me and think I might be drunk just like someone might look at you and think you throw up everything you eat and have a heroin/coke addiction that keeps you so thin.” Fight fire with fire.

  94. boston02127 says:

    I’m late to the party! I didn’t get home in time. I’m watching the second half of the second show now. I hope Bravo plays it at third time tonight.

    So far —Kyle is like a mix of Jill & Carolinebacker Manzo.

  95. boston02127 says:

    re: the fight in NY. I’m sitting on the fence about who to believe. Kyle vs Camille. I just don’t know who to believe.

  96. error404 says:

    Taylor’s “keep it straight” comment makes no sense to me.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      A lot of her comments don’t make sense.

      • Brigid A. says:

        Such as “tread lightly.” I think that’s at least the 2nd time she’s said that to Kim. Is that Taylor-speak for don’t push me or else?

        • nathania says:

          Andy asked ‘what does that mean?’

          That was a threat, ‘dont push me or I’ll expose you’.

          I double dog dare Kim to say, when questioned about alcoholism, “I don’t know.I’m not really sure. I’m learning about myself, and about it, and I’m sure the answer will make itself known to me in time.”

          And then continue to comport herself with dignity, and never bring it up again.

          And someone needs to ask Taylor why is it okay to be a totally vile fake poser scam artist grifter sociopath but a cardinal sin to be someone who may or may not have a drinking problem but who is otherwise a good person. That is the question that I would like answered.

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      She didn’t mean to say that out loud. That was supposed to stay in her head. About her lies.

    • klmh says:

      Keep the story straight. Im trying to remember what she was talking about, but after Kim’s goof with her helping Kyle in NYC, instead of Lisa pulling her out of the booth, this seems to be an issue with Taylor, imo. 🙂 She has often been confused with Kim’s wording, even when they were getting their toes done and Kim was rambling about something. She was trying to crack a joke, as I recall.

  97. boston02127 says:

    I just laughed so hard. I just asked my b/f who he thought was the prettiest. He was quiet for a sec then said him. LOL meaning Andy. We just laughed so hard.

  98. NMhousewife says:

    What struck me was Kyle seemingly going out of her way to be non-threatening to Kim, not that she was going to come to Kim’s defense with Taylor or prevent herself from gushing about the wonderful friendship with Taylor, but it seems like compared to the way she normally treats Kim, she was holding herself back.

    IMO, because she seems to be a big blog reader and has probably gotten feedback throughout the season how she comes across with Kim, she is doing some damage control.

    I predict in season 2, she is going to be watching herself a little more on how she comes across with Kim as the “poor me, what a weight I have to bear with my nutty sister” is not working too well this season.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I wonder if Kim will be back for another season. I see what she means, that these are Kyle’s friends. Kyle brought the group together and the others are friends (supposedly) of hers. Kim doesn’t have a relationship with them.

      • error404 says:

        I hope so. She certainly seems to get along with “her couch”. She might even get along with Lisa. So far, it’s only Taylor she really seems to have an issue with, other than none of them really being her “cup of tea”. Kim is a former child star. The other 5 are trophy wives. Make-up and shopping and long lunches might not be common enough of a bond, but it would be nice to see an a-typical housewife.

      • klmh says:

        That’s so true. She has never fit in, but could be such an asset. I really like her and love her humor.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kyle was holding back and refused to engage in the Kim/Taylor thing and got into Camille’s business real fast like she was deflecting attention away from her sister. Now Kim is saying she isn’t friends/doesn’t really know any of these women and that is why she didn’t speak up in NYC, which isn’t an answer either. I’m really getting bored with that whole whatever it is too.

      New mystery – who told Camille about looking at her pictures in the back of the limo???

      Maybe Reunion Part 2 will have some answers but I doubt it. This just brings us another week closer to RHNY – and that I can get excited about!

      • firepainter says:

        Undoubtedly that snake Taylor, as Kim wasn’t there and I don’t think Lisa or Adrienne would.

  99. WSL says:

    I am not sure the other house wives hate Taylor like “we” do. Am I missing something ?
    I certainly think Kyle is an a$$ to be so overly affectionate to Taylor in front of Kim when Taylor has openly, verbally abused her sister. Kyle aught to b ashamed of herself ; she has no honor.

    • Shannon says:

      I completely agree. I wonder how Kyle would have reacted if Kim would have become close friends with Camille after their fight? She would probably tell us all again, how Kim doesn’t have her back.

    • Adgirl says:

      I couldn’t agree more with all of you. This more than Kyle’s ridiculous tempermental outbursts bothers me. It makes me question Kyle’s character.

      She is being provacative towards both Kim and Lisa.

      Look at me! Taylor wants to sit next to me in the lunchroom!

    • klmh says:

      Maybe its because these ladies know one another off camera and have good relationships, like Taylor with Adrienne and Kyle. Maybe she’s a good friend.

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      I agree! She’s watched the whole season at the time of the reunion taping.
      She saw Taylor’s shit stirring with the rest of us even if she didn’t see it happening in real time.

    • Katie says:

      I’m starting to think this show has become the most important thing to Kyle and Taylor. They share the need/thirst for attention and fame. I hope they get control of it, it will end very bad just like Jill Zarin.

    • Brigid A. says:

      WSL, I’m surprised to hear that from you. A few days back, you posted at length to me defending Kyle and implying I had been harsh in prior comments. Why the change of heart?

    • nathania says:

      I think Adrienne and Lisa are very much ‘onto’ Taylor. Kim of course sees her for what she is, but she isn’t going to waste her time trying to influence the others. Camille doesn’t seem to be in search of friends and supporters on that show so Taylor is probably a neutral subject to her. So you have the three who can take Taylor or leave her (and ‘take’ as in, ‘keep your friends close and your enemies closer’) and then there is Kyle. I believe that Kyle and Taylor really identify with each other, the blog comments paint Taylor as a mean girl cheerleader type who was ‘stuck up’ and drove around in a Mazda Miata with “Shanna” painted on the side. And of course Kyle went to high school as the younger sister of a movie star. So both of them are probably the same type and stuck to some degree in their high school mentality and longing for the days when they were at the height of their power. I don’t think Lisa relates to that or fulfills that in Kyle, so she’s kind of a stick in the mud in that respect to Kyle.

  100. error404 says:

    Is Adrienne correct in thinking her bickering is “the norm, not the exception”? We’ve been together for 11 years, and we don’t snipe like that at all.

    • Adgirl says:

      I think in Adrienne’s home it was the norm. I don’t any couple who bickers over anything and everything all day.

      • error404 says:

        remember when Paul dropped Adrienne off at her Mom’s and then it wasn’t until the next day that suddenly it was a problem and what a bad husband he was for not being there for Adrienne? I wonder how much of that was listening to Adrienne’s mom going off for 3 hours about “where is he? He went where? why isn’t he here for you? I’ll never understand what you ever saw in him. You could do so much better.” etc…

      • NMhousewife says:

        I know 1 couple who bicker all day every day over stupid stuff. My aunt and uncle, and it used to drive everyone else in the family crazy. I actually recall thinking at a young age why they didn’t get divorced.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      I’ve known several couples who did that. It was a kind of ongoing verbal battle. It bothered me immensely to listen to, but they didn’t even hear it. They weren’t mad, but it was a sort of game to them. Weird. I prefer peace.

      • TLM says:

        I don’t know if anyone watches Jerseylicious, but there was a recent episode where Gigi and Frankie took a cooking class. It was supposed to be a romantic thing, but there was another couple there who wouldn’t shut up bickering and didn’t even seem to get how ugly their behavior was. At one point the man said to the woman, “As usual, I’ll do the work and you just lay there.” Unbelievable.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I am not sure if my hubby and I are like Adrianne and Paul, when edited together it seems like their spats are regular when maybe they aren’t often. They don’t seem to be extreme.

      DH seems to have a regular daily argument-he is very nocturnal and stays up late and likes to sleep all day which because of work doesn’t happen. He sets TWO alarm clocks and sleeps through them both-meanwhile I have them BUZZING and BEEPING in my ears. I will try to wake him up or at least turn off the alarm and he gets moody or makes up lies or nonsensical remarks in his sleep like “I already changed the tires” (he is a software engineer) .

      But IMO, it’s one of those things that no matter who he was married to, it would be an issue; he is just a bad ‘waker upper’.

    • nathania says:

      I get the feeling that they are both dominant personalities vying for top dog. Neither is willing to give in, so they just adjust to bickering a lot.

  101. MichellefromNY says:

    Taylor was being sooo passive aggresive toward kim the whole reunion. She was clearly bullying her.

  102. lillybee says:

    Could it be that Kim is not saying anything about the remarks about Camille is that she didn’t hear them? I think she may be hard of hearing. I thought I saw a hearing aid at Taylor’s party. Maybe she doesn’t wear it as much as she should and that explains her spacey attitude.

    • Katie says:

      Sure and maybe she just didn’t hear it exactly the way Kyle wanted her to.

      • PJ says:

        Maybe she just isn’t willing to lie for Kyle. I think Kyle did say something offensive to Camille. Kyle is a pit bull.

    • klmh says:

      Or she couldn’t remember, blackout from alcohol? Thats what I’ve been wondering for a while. imo. I was hoping she would say something this evening, and it looked to me that she was going to dive right in there, but it didn’t happen.

  103. MichellefromNY says:

    I’m sorry all, you’re going to hate me but I like Kyle. I think she’s normal and her flaws are because she’s passionate. She has an awesome personality. I would love to have her as a friend. She’s one of my favorite housewives

    • Shannon says:

      No one should hate you for how you feel. Plus, I’m sure she still has a lot of fans. I liked Kyle in the beginning also. But the way she treats Kim has really really bothered me. I know its clouded my views because now I can’t really find anything that I like about her.

    • Katie says:

      I don’t hate you, just think you are very wrong 🙂 That is totally a joke.

    • error404 says:

      I like Kyle too. It doesn’t make me blind to her faults though. Girl is a hot head. Friend? Maybe. I once dated a guy for a few month and we never argued once. But he would get into arguments on an almost daily basis. The first few times he had huge blow ups with family and close friends, I looked the other way. Even otherwise lovely dinners out would be almost ruined by run ins with the wait staff. After a while I realized that my turn was only a minor infraction away. Who knows when it would come, or why, but it seemed an inevitability, so I quit while I was ahead. I also have a friend who was one of my oldest and closets friends, except she was always having fights with her family and other friends that would usually result in her not speaking to them for weeks or even years. She is such a sweet person and had been a true friend. But after 20 years, finally it was my turn. A chance disagreement resulted in her not speaking to me for almost 4 years, ignoring all my email, talking about me to mutual friends, etc… Finally she forgave me, but the damage was done We’ll never be that close again.

      • MichellefromNY says:

        But I like that she’s a hothead. I love passion in a person. Makes them seem more genuine. The housewives tend to have manufactured drama that has no passion behind it so for me kyle is refreshing.

        And her hotheadedness is good for Mauricio whose latin background probably can handle her. They are definitely the best couple together. They really balance each other out.

    • NMhousewife says:

      I don’t hate Kyle, but I don’t like her like as much as I did before. I believe her in the Camille fiasco, but don’t like how she treats kim even on good days. I wouldn’t mind being her daughter, but I wouldn’t want to be her sister, especially if I had issues..

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I don’t hate you –
      I don’t agree with you..I like you 🙂

  104. MichellefromNY says:

    Who else thought the silences were sooo deafening everytime a topic was finished? It made me uncomfortable

    • mariareads says:

      I did! I just finished watching it on DVR. Suddenly it felt like dead air at certain points. Very strange. I think there is a lot that was left unsaid. They are hiding some really negative stuff.

    • buffywood says:

      Me three. Why isn’t anyone else there sticking up for anyone? Clearly they have things to say but are almost afraid to jump in. So many of those bullshit answers could have been addressed.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      They speak with their eyes since their faces don’t move! And I got the feeling that some of the questions were taboo topics in their circle. No one flinched as Andy read all the horrible descriptives of Camille – no one told him to stop. Weird.

  105. Katie says:

    Ok I don’t mean to be all spy-girl but, Kyle just tweeted the following to Kim.
    Now keep in mind Kim has not been on twitter since January 18th.

    @kimrichards11. Portia and I are singing the chicken song…”that’s my chicken, that’s my chicken…”
    less than 10 seconds ago via Mobile Web

    IMO – this is to make the ‘fans’ think they are talking and all is well. It’s for show.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Very convenient timing and a rather odd message. It really “says” nothing and is probably just for show. She is copying Kukulet.

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      Uh. Yeah. Considering Kim never really tweets and has openly talked about how she barely can use a computer! I’d guess Kyle has Kim’s number and could call her and sing the chicken song…. #damage control

      • Sha2000 says:

        My best friend & I signed up on Twitter at the same time, we tweeter once to each other for a laugh. We prefer to actually hear each others voice. Although I get Twitter & do enjoying following some people, I realize it’s totally ridiculous. Why tweet when you can text? Because you want an audience in most cases.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      How do we not know or know if they are talking or not? I don’t know if it’s fair to speculate on that.

      • If You Had It Like This says:

        Kyle has tweeted that they are speaking now and are in a good place. She has said it in interviews as well.

      • Sha2000 says:

        I think they are speaking, but when “celebrities” even sudo ones tweet, because it’s public it’s deliberate. Something that obvious seems obnoxious to me.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      That’s because the “That’s the wrong kind of butter, why did you get THAT butter?’ song is as played out as Tardy for The Party.

  106. buffywood says:

    Taylor is a total bitch. Can you say suck up? She keeps passing those looks to Kyle like “See how I stick up for you?” “See I won’t “go there” because I love you”, which also sends the message to Kim “See I’m her best friend now”… “Look at us, she picked me over you”. Like the 13 year old girl who steels another girls boyfriend and then as they are walking away together gives the jilted girl the finger behind her back so the boy doesn’t see.

    • MichellefromNY says:

      OMG yes!! that’s exactly how taylor acts. Your comment makes me think of taylor’s themed parties–mad hatter tea party and roaring twenties–is such a middle school mentality to want to throw these huge parties for herself. They had hints of of a 13 year old’s fantasy world in them.

      Russel’s party for her was gorgeous, elegant, and ADULT. And she hated it. It was too grownup for our immature bitch we call taylor

    • Nancy says:

      Her days are so numbered!

  107. MichellefromNY says:

    I used to hate camille, but now I just feel bad for her. She’s awful and insecure and I wouldn’t want to be friends with her. But I don’t hate her.

    Taylor I hate. She is disgusting. At least Camille attacked the powerful one–Kyle. But Taylor makes sure to attack the weak to make herself look better. She is horrible, disgusting, and tottally ugly. The lips are just uggghhhh.

  108. quincyil says:

    I think Taylor’s comment about people on computers was interesting. I bet she knows about the web sites that looked into her over the weekend. She seemed extremely angry. Did anyone tell Taylor that fans go to bravotv.com and web sites to discuss the reality stars before she signed up?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      She has that IT company and this is the first franchise to send nastiness via the internet on a fellow castmate.

    • Adgirl says:

      She is delusional.
      She thinks her face looks great. She thinks her body is awesome. She thinks it’s ok to stir ship between sisters and best friends (apparently it is OK if you are Kyle) and Taylor thinks she is so perfect no one will criticize her even from this side of the computer.

    • nathania says:

      ohhhhhhhhhhhh….

      I didn’t even make that connection…Taylor wasn’t talking about Camille when she said all that, Taylor was talking about Taylor. Silly me. It did seem out of character for her to care about anyone but herself and now it all makes sense.

      I think she called it cowardly, as if seeking out the most emotionally vulnerable person in a group and launching a seek and destroy mission against them isn’t “cowardly”.

  109. Adgirl says:

    I’m still wondering how it is that Adrienne’s husband Paul was one of the calls to 911 about Charlie Sheen. TMZ said there were 2 calls to 911 one from inside the house and one from outside (Paul’s) prompted by a call to him.
    I was wondering if the call came from one of the four women at Sheen’s who may have had work done by Paul. LOL.

    http://www.tmz.com

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Seriously? I would definately call a plastic surgeon regarding a cocaine and porn overdose! lol Maybe it was one of Paul’s patients at Charlie’s party.

      • Adgirl says:

        Totally. And she has Dr Paul on speed dial. Right before her pediatrician’s #.

        • quincyil says:

          Lisa took the reporter who was struck to Dr. Pau too. I bet he is like “Royal Pains” and fixes problems for celebrities.

  110. boston02127 says:

    All in all I think they’re all pretty phoney & boring. Seems there’s a lot going on that they seem to be keeping quiet about. Bring on NY.

  111. boston02127 says:

    I wonder if mother’s feel hurt or sad when they see their child have so much plastic surgery done then looking so diffrent.

    • mariareads says:

      Oh, that’s another thing! I think in the lighting in that studio al the work they have had one showed very negatively. Don’t get me wrong. I have had botox on my forehead. Years of reading had left me with a wrinkled brow and the rest of my face didn’t match. When twin #1 got married I had Botox. Never, ever, ever thought I would do such a thing but I did (hanging head in shame and slapping my own face) but you know what? It made me feel good about myself. But I would never have a face lift or fillers. Just no. I let the botox lax and I’m back to looking like me. A few lines and they don’t bother me at all. When son #2 gets married I’m doing it again LOL! It’s those damn pictures that will be around forever! ~But I thought Lisa looked over botoxed, as did Adrienne and Camille. Taylor wins the price for most krap done to her and it didn’t improve anything. Adrienne does lots of botox. They made me look natural and I could frown. Adrienne looks way too smooth for it to look real. JMHO.

      • Sha2000 says:

        I think whatever makes you happy when you look in the mirror is fine. Funny you said no fillers & the filler people say no botox, whatever makes you happy with your appearance is good in my book.

      • Adgirl says:

        On Adrienne and Lisa I think it’s the fillers in their cheeks and near their mouths that make them look fake. Adreinne’s cheeks are huge and her mouth & eyes are tiny.

        • Sha2000 says:

          I’ve got two tiny lines that run vertically, one above my lip & one between my brows. Tiny but they drive me nuts. I believe that to fix that one above my lip, that would be best to be filled rather than botox. Anyone know?

          • Adgirl says:

            One more in Boston knows about these things. She helped me negotiate a great deal on chemical peels and laser treatments. Next time you see her pink quilt ask her.
            I think fillers are the one you want for your lip. Don’t know about the brow.

          • TLM says:

            I don’t know that you can use Botox around the mouth without it paralyzing your lips. If you’re talking about the naso-labial fold, they usually use Restylane (fills) for that. Sometimes it looks good, but in Rachel Zoe’s case I think it makes her face look too blown up.

            Botox v. fills is more of a debate for the glabellar lines (between the brows). Usually doctors prefer doing Botox because there are serious risks associated with fills. The complications are rare but serious, including blindness, because the blood supply is all right in that area. You’d think that Botox would be the riskier route, but in terms of complications it isn’t.

    • lillybee says:

      If she is like the women of OC, she will pay for her Mom’s surgery aka Tamra and Alexis.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I also wonder how a child must feel to see their parent get all that work done. I ususually don’t watch Gene Simmon’s Family Jewels but I happen to catch one where he and his wife got some plastic surgery done. There late-teen daughter was hysterical over it ahnd pretty much locked herself in her room and cried-with a note saying that ‘Production’ wasn’t allowed in,

      I also remember that show The Swan and one of the women actually decided against a nose job even though it had a predominate bump because both daughters also had it. She still wanted to be able to look at her daughters- or have her daughters look at her and see a resemblance.

  112. WindyCityWondering says:

    Im glad RHBH is wrapping up. I never expected real drama because of real problems. Give me NeNe’s noise, Teresa’s trash and Jill’s jealousy anyday.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Jersey should be good & juicy next season.

    • klmh says:

      That is the truth! I knew this was going to be the hardest HW to watch after the 1st episode. The sisters conflict started with the first few words out of their mouths. There has been damage that will never be repaired. Just heartbreaking.
      I found it interesting that Kyle said she has good friends, but they are nothing compared to a sister. So true, yet she allowed a stupid TV show to threaten their relationship. I can’t find fault with Kim though, other than the lack of support from the “insecure” word, but she may not have remembered the incident.

  113. If You Had It Like This says:

    Not to put too fine a point on it but…I think there’s a disconnect for me with Kyle’s behavior in regards to Kim and Taylor. Don’t you have family members who are total pains in the ass in ways large and small and you might complain about them all day long but as soon as somebody else says something about them you get all “awww hell naw”!?
    You can say it but you don’t want somebody else to. Just a basic familial protective mechanism. Yeah. Kyle doesn’t seem to have that.

    • boston02127 says:

      @If You Had It Like This—Exactly. I can call my brother an ass….. but nobody else can.

    • klmh says:

      If this is a comparison, the question has to be asked, why didn’t Kim come to Kyle’s rescue when the discussion of the conversation between Kyle and Camille took place this evening? Just wondering, does this apply to both sisters, and if not, why not?

      • Sha2000 says:

        Good question.

        • If You Had It Like This says:

          I said this upstream and it’s just my opinion, but I think Kyle may have insinuated some of the stuff that Camille said and Kim heard that. Again, probably not exactly the way Camille described it but Kyle can be pretty cutting and pretty catty and mean spirited. Kim’s way of having her back may be, in her mind, just keeping quiet.
          All speculation and projection on my part of course, but that’s what we do here!

      • nathania says:

        Kyle asked Kim not to get involved when she is in a confrontation, remember after the dinner at Camille’s. Kim probably feels she is screwed no matter what she does, and rightfully so.

    • error404 says:

      my parents really stressed family above all. It really depresses me when I see my nieces and nephews bang on about their awful friends and now they cherish them, all the while disrespecting their parents. My husband keeps saying it’s a generation thing, but Kyle is my age. She rapsodizes about these women like they are her family, all the while treating her own sister like crap. How long has she knows Taylor? Or even Lisa for that matter, but even after the awful limo scene Kyle used her talking head commentary filmed later as a chance to shout out to her homies, and go on once again about how lucky she is to have such great friends. There what, like 7 franchises, and I’ve yet to see a single Real Housewife who ever knows what the word friend means.

  114. okeydoekey says:

    When you think of all the housewives reunions:

    Who the hell dressed New Jersey during the last reunion episode?

  115. WSL says:

    Hi Brigid
    I always believed that Kyle has contempt for Kims never ending problems, that to me was understandable. I thought that Kyle was angry & frustrated. I believed Kyle let out the drinking problem, hoping public humiliation, would cause Kim to seek help. I believed Kyle’s intentions were good.
    Today, when Kyle, more than embraced the woman who has abused her sister,is hateful. In my book, under no circumstances do you ever put anyone above your sibling (except your husband & kids).
    I don’t think anything is more important than family loyalty. I can’t think of ANY excuse why a sister would embarrass another sister on National TV. I thought I was seeing a loving sister trying to help her using sister. Now it looks like I gave Kyle some positive & loving qualities,that she doesn’t possess.
    This isn’t the 1st time, I have been a poor judge of character !

    • boston02127 says:

      WSL—I never got to finish my email today. I had to log off and leave. I’ll send tomorrow when I finish it. Thank you again.

    • klmh says:

      I may be mistaken, but I think the taping for the finale was before Kim and Kyle were talking again. There were some hard feelings between the two at this time. Im hoping so anyway. This idiotic show has made me cry because these sisters do not know what harm they are causing their family and themselves. This is a forever moment in their lives, caught on tape for all to see for generations. Why?

  116. boston02127 says:

    Good night everyone.

  117. Adgirl says:

    Overall this was a boring reunion. Most of them are a waste of my time.

  118. WSL says:

    I was shocked the 1st question about too much plastic surgery was for Lisa. I thought it was for Taylor. I think Lisa looks like she has had no surgery. Same for Kyle & Kim.
    I think Adriana looks the most plastic.

    • Sha2000 says:

      I’m willing to bet they all had some. If anyone hasn’t it’s Kim, her nose has a bump and her lips are pretty thin…just an observation, not trying to be mean, she looked good tonight,in fact my daughter asked if she was Paris.

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      I think that question was for all the ladies and Lisa just took it. But, lawd, Taylor’s lips are the craziest! Reminds me of Goldie Hawn in First Wives Club.

  119. WSL says:

    Boston2
    I am up for hours

  120. Cheri says:

    I worked with a girl just like Taylor, she was a witch! She would cause trouble and then sit back and act like she hadn’t done a thing. Some of us figured it out and others took awhile to but finally did. The only thing she was good for was taking up space on this earth and that is exactly how I feel about Taylor. Kim and Kyle have a very complicated relationship. I can see how frustrated Kyle is with Kim but she also is a bully and I think she enjoys hurting her and making her feel bad and getting her friends to gang up on her, so junior high. I am guessing there is alot of jealousy there that goes back to their childhood when Kim was more successful than she was, I’m guessing even then she tested Kim like the outsider. I think Kim probably does have some problems (I would guess drinking) and needs help. I think Kyle is an enabler with Kim and those 2 sisters need to stay away from each other until they can get counseling to work out each of their own problems separately and together

  121. Fairweather Viewer says:

    Lips McGee called everyone posting negativity about them “cowards”. Lips McGee doesn’t realize that if she were to meet any of us on the street, we’d say it to her face.

  122. Adgirl says:

    I thought Kim’s explanation about why she didn’t immediate intervene in the Camille/Kyle NY scene was telling. She was afraid that later she would be black balled if she spoke up.
    Nevertheless she was blackballed.

    • error404 says:

      it’s interesting that Kim goes all zombie whenever there’s conflict. If that House of Hilton book has any truth to it, she grew up in a war zone.

  123. lillybee says:

    Who knew that taking someone outside and going Olkahoma on them meant teaching them some manners? Really Taylor?

    • Mbdea says:

      Yeah…and WTF does she mean about needing to teach Kim manners? I mean how about the inappropriateness of stirring the pot gossiping about the LAX conversation to Camille behind her new BFF’s back?

    • Adgirl says:

      She can teach us all by writing a book … oh wait we already have Class with the Countess. Maybe we can buy her a copy. Used. I’m trying to save money.

  124. JKW says:

    That was the lamest reunions yet. Andy didn’t follow up on anything…even worse than usual. He would read a question, they would discuss or argue…then there was silence and he would ask the next question. Kim is never going to win against Taylor because she has such a difficult time getting her point across. She did pretty good but Taylor is much better at talking around things but she is obnoxious.

    • error404 says:

      I must have a secret Kim decoder ring, because i understand every word she says perfectly. Taylor talks round and round and round in circles and I think the only person she’s fooling is herself. I’d love to know what Russell thought of the season once it aired.

    • nathania says:

      The best part of it is the footage they are showing from next week when apparent super-lush Andy Cohen is asking Kim, “so, DO you have a drinking problem?” Heads should explode at that precise moment.

  125. error404 says:

    I don’t understand what Bravo is doing with Kim.

    I guess once Kyle outed her in the finale, they desperately wanted to build up to the moment, but found they had no footage what so ever, no passed out in a gutter, throwing up in her handbag, having the car repoed, etc… just hours of her quietly sipping water . So instead they included shots of her getting lost in the ladies room, or walking into a plant, etc.. Gee, if getting left behind by a group of self-absorbed friends, or accidentally knocking into a plant in a strangers house right after my sister just help cause WWIII makes one an Alcoholic, I guess I’ve been a drunk since I was 4 years old! LOL

    And where’s all the footage of her starting trouble or picking fights?

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      There must not be any. I doubt Bravo has suddenly grown a heart. Although that would be the ultimate irony if they were actually protecting her more than her own sister. Doubtful.

      Seems to me that the girls are just taking Kyle’s lead when it comes to their attitudes about Kim. And Kim is definitely quirky,… may be an alcoholic, doesn’t dress like them, isn’t ashamed to use I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter and hasn’t loaded her face up with restylane. She doesn’t fit into their world.

      • nathania says:

        yes this really is strange. It’s eery because I read on here that someone said that one of the producers had stated, ‘you will see how awful Kim behaves during the reunion’…which of course is Bravo-speak for ‘watch our show so we can sell more commercials’, but that is just an out and out lie. Kim definitely is the most relatable woman in the whole cast. She is so unfull of sh*t, especially the way she explained why it was that she didn’t jump into the fray. It totally makes sense, these are Kyle’s friends, they make up and break up, and she can’t keep up with it, so why get involved.

        I wish instead of going to rehab she’d have hit Kyle with a libel suit or a cease and desist and shut her up for good about this issue. It’s a private issue, and none of the public seem out to cannibalize Kim like Kyle does, so most people are going to respect her privacy and know that no one on the other side of the glass box can really know anything about it.

    • Dawn says:

      TMZ has footage on their site of Kim being drunk last July at a Southwest ticket counter and she can be seen taking pills as well.

      They also report that Adrienne and her husband Paul made the 911 call to report that Charlie Sheen needed medical help. They are his neighbors.

      • vilzvet says:

        So that means Lisa lives next to him too? His home must be gorgeous, it’s valued at 8m?? I cannot believe they have to put up with Charlie as a neighbor!

      • PJ says:

        There is a video where they claim she was drunk but it isn’t clear that she is from watching the video. Plus no one knows what the pills she was taking were; they could have been antibiotics for all we know. People who take this kind of video are the worst kind of bottom dwellers.

    • vilzvet says:

      I think even at The Dinner Party when the ladies all were shown drinking out of those horse buckets Kim didn’t have any! Good points. That’s when the idea of showing her being “clumsy” came about…”Let’s show her ACTING like she could be drunk”…

  126. Mbdea says:

    Hi all. Back to join the late night party.

    The reunion was okay. I mean no one walked off the set, got in anyone’s face or shoved Andy so I can say it wasn’t NY, NJ, OC or ATL exciting –but I’m okay with that. Most of these ladies knew to behave with more civility. However, those awkward silent moments –who edited this! Waste of air.

    Couldn’t stand Cold-Fish-Lips Taylor, Kyle was vile (for allowing Taylor to talk shit about her sister), Lisa was quite witty and direct, Adrienne was like parsley (brought nothing to the plate) and Kim, well, glad she grew a pair but she still seemed a little nervous or afraid.

    However, Andy-Keep-It-Real Cohen was not afraid to call each one on their crap, especially Camille and Taylor. Loved that he refused to let Cold-Fish-Lips Taylor off the hook about stirring the pot in NY with Camille. Taylor went from, “I didn’t stir anything,” to “well, my intention wasn’t to stir anything,” to “If I could rewind, I wouldn’t have said it.” Also, loved when he schooled Camille on her insecurity. You go Andy. Look who found HIS balls.

  127. If You Had It Like This says:

    And another thing…I’m just sitting here thinking about Lisa confronting Taylor, because apparently I’m a lunatic, and wondering why Taylor doesn’t want to go Oklahoma on Lisa and take her outside? Lisa was very accusatory of Taylor at that lunch.
    Okay. That was a rhetorical question. We all know the answer. Lisa is in the social strata that Taylor desires and so she sucks it up. Kim doesn’t mean anything to her in terms of social climbing.

  128. lillybee says:

    If Kim is an alcholic then they all are. Those girls all seem to drink a lot more than Kim on camera.

    • Adgirl says:

      I swear the camera crews bring a 55 gallon drum of white wine with them.

      • HD says:

        Right. It seems like allllllllllllllllllll the housewives drink. You never see them without a glass of wine. I guess if you drink wine you are not a drunk. Kim stays drinking, so does Nene, Bethanny always had a skinny margarita, Ramona couldn’t function without Pinot…They all kick back the drinks.

      • quincyil says:

        It seems that many Bravo stars are drinkers and that the drama comes from events where people are intoxicated.

    • error404 says:

      Well, Kim did call Kyle a drunk in the limo, but everyone has just dropped it.

  129. Mbdea says:

    I am not quite convinced that Kim is an alcoholic. Didn’t she only spend a week in the rehab HER “family” allegedly checked her into? Wouldn’t an alcoholic need more than one week? I’m inclined to believe they tried to have her committed.

    I had a friend who married a d-class a-hole. He beat her while she was pregnant with their first child (so badly, their baby was born with mental disabilities). While pregnant with their 2nd child (oh yeah she stayed), she discovered he was cheating with anyone who would stand still and confronted him. She then publicly admitted he beat her and called him on his cheating. She was so hormonal and distraught, she had a bit of a nervous break-down, who wouldn’t?

    Well, he had my friend committed against her will –even her parents couldn’t get her out. She was committed for 4 months. Meanwhile, he packed up and left her with a newborn and a toddler with mental disabilities.

    So I’m saying because of her obvious emotional issues, Kim was ripe for Kyle to do the same to her –or at least manipulate the rest of their family to have Kim committed. Look how Kyle kept trying to convince Kim (and the cameras) in the limo that everything out of Kim’s mouth was insane and thus, Kim was insane.

    • JKW says:

      I assumed it was her kids when they said family. I don’t think you can be committed for alcoholism. It sounds like she went to a treatment center. She checked herself out in 1 wk. It wasn’t that she went through the treatment.

  130. Waslurking says:

    I’ve done my best to let the season unravel without taking sides about any of the BH’s ladies because as we all know ……. things turn out very different in epi 10 than 1., and even more so during the reunions.
    ….. Here’s where I’m at……

    Camile…….. they had nothing to work with her other than that stupid disagreement
    with Kyle……..so it was dragged out. Over and over. Until the last couple episodes when things went down with shithead hubby. By then everyone thought she was a complete bitch so she got NO empathy/sympathy. Shame on us for judging!! Seriously! I though she came off as real during the reunion …. copped to her stupid things said and apologized. She did the thing everyone asks for….. she owned it!

    Kyle…… Bitch please! Can your tell C and the world one more time how it was YOU that got the cast together? Queen bee much? Can you interrupt any/everyone attempting to speak with your aggressiveness all the while saying … “poor me”… much more? Child!
    She reminds me of Jill…… it’s all about her and because she is the loudest she wins. I think NOT! Leaving the sister relationship alone as many have discussed it.

    Taylor….. OMG what a C U next Tuesday. I’m not a violent person but I sure wanted so slap that condescending shit eating grin off her face as she avoided questions. AURGHHHHHHHH! I don’t have the words for the contempt I have for her and her
    phony BS……..

    Kim……. I doubt whatever comes to light will change my opinion. She IS the scapegoat and I don’t see that changing unless she (and hopefully Kyle) get some help. I’ve never noticed her drunk (not even a the finale). Girl with problems or scapegoat
    city? I’m teetering towards scapegoat as I’ve been on both sides of addiction and it’s just too easy to point fingers and say “can I bring up her state of mind” when it suits.

    • error404 says:

      I’m sure that from Kyle’s viewpoint, she got her sister a spot on the show. However, I also can see why Bravo would be pushing for it. Why settle for one of Paris Hilton’s Aunts when you can have two, and the other one if famous! Chaching! Did Kyle push Bravo to hire Kim, or did Bravo push Kyle to coax Kim along?

  131. JKW says:

    I am not saying that Kim is an alcoholic. However, there are functional alcoholics. They have jobs, families and no one ever guesses they are drunks or even use drugs.

  132. nancy says:

    Having delt with this kind of issues I do believe that me and my husband know how easy it is to protect,deny,enable,buy their booze, the list goes on. Please do not be too harsh with Kyle. She did her best with Kim as did her family. Kim has to hit rock bottom, no money help from family, not taking no for an answer to treatment, etc. I wish her the very best. Get help, girl.

    • nancy says:

      I realize this was last July but security does not ask people if they are sober if one has had only one drink like Kim said. Look at this poor girls face. This is a face of a drunk and other drug use. Get help Kim. Have always liked you.

    • error404 says:

      How many people have to post here that they have a close relative who struggles with addiction, and despite the hardships, they would never even dream of treating that person in the awful manner Kyle treat Kim, before someone listens to them?

      Ex: After 5 years of sobriety, my ex-BIL showed up to his son’s wedding shit-faced. His siblings were really great about keeping him out of trouble, and not once during the entire wedding did one of them corner him in a limo and go all Oklahoma on his ass. And believe me, if anyone deserved a little Oklahoma, its this guy.

      There is no excuse for Kyle’s behavior. None. I hope she owns it.

      • Shannon says:

        I agree Error. I’m one that has said I have three brothers that are alcoholics and I’m sure I do more for them then Kyle has ever done for Kim. I would never, EVER, treat any of them the way that Kyle treats Kim. If Kyle really was so concerned about Kim why would she encourage her to be on a TV show that loves the drama. If that is Kyle way of getting her to rehab that is a piss poor way. It shows, to me, she really could care less about Kims feelings. I know its frustrating to deal with alcoholics, if Kim even is, but that anger that Kyle has needs therapy also. She gets no pass from me.

      • If You Had It Like This says:

        I agree Error. I am one of those posters. Never would shame someone in my family with an addiction and I’ve had a few family members deal with this. They already feel a lot of shame. You just deal with them the best you can WITHOUT enabling them. It’s hard but you really don’t have to be a d-bag to them. It’s called setting boundaries.

  133. Dawn says:

    Interesting tidbit with the Charlie Sheen saga. According to TMZ, Adrienne Maloof and Paul Nassif made the 911 call to report that Charlie needed help. They are Charlie’s neighbors.

  134. error404 says:

    so it gets worse i guess. In the clip of part 2, when Andy asks Taylor why she started the fight with Kim at her birthday party, and he seems pretty insistent that Taylor did start the fight, Taylor’s answer or explaination is “I think there may have been other factors at play in her personality that evening”. Yes we get it. Kim was crunk. Still doesn’t do squat to explain why you picked a fight with with the quiet drunk girl. So you’re a advocate for anti-abuse and addiction, yet your entire justification for abusing others is “well, she’s a drunk, so she deserves it”.

    • Kellita says:

      Taylor is a master of deflection. I bet nothing’s ever been her fault her whole life. I think I like her even less than Teresa.

  135. error404 says:

    if Taylor manages to keep her positions on her charities after this, I’ll be outraged. Then again, I never in a million years would have thought Kiki would still have her job with RHoNY after her on camera mental breakdown.

  136. error404 says:

    I’m glad they are showing what a neurotic freak Kyle is. It does a lot to explain her whole OTT reaction to her sister’s struggles. We’ve all had this friend or sibling, the one that projects her own neurosis on us. Every time we have a problem, there they are on the phone with “OMG what are you going to do!??!! It’s a disaster!!” etc…

    • TLM says:

      I actually think Kyle is pretty even-tempered, but just speaks her mind and will stand up for herself.

      We don’t even know the extent of how she has helped Kim over the years, but all evidence points toward Kim exhausting her emotionally. Helping to support her financially is just part of it.

      For all everyone says about Kim being the poor downtrodden one, I’ve heard her get in more than a few vicious zingers throughout the series. For someone who says she can’t stand confrontation, Kim seems to have an awfully sharp tongue when she wants to.

  137. error404 says:

    I’m not saying that Kim is not struggling with addiction, we will see, but you don’t have to have Phaedra’s law degree to see that that TMZ video proves nothing. If every person who ever took a prescription drug in an airport was an abuser, we’d all be typing these comments from the Betty Ford clinic. And who is the “they” who say Kim is toodrunk to fly? The airline? The slime ball who’s videotaping the exchange? Who? As for the alleged “slurring”, she’s hardly lying on the floor trying to eat a hamburger. As far as “drunken celebrity” videos go, this one was a really lame attempt to slur a D-List celebrity.

    • quincyil says:

      Kim prayed before she flew to the Sacramento game. She may also have problems flying and some people take medication to help them with motion sickness. She could have a cold and not want to cough on the flight to spread germs also. I have seen some intoxicated people on flights before. There are bars in every airport.

  138. AZ Girl says:

    When Taylor was telling Kim “don’t go there” “get it straight” did anyone see the wink that Taylor gave Kim? What a bitch. Taylor see’s Kim as weak and goes for the jugular. I would love to see Adrienne and Lisa go all out on Taylor. I don’t think either one of them like her.

    • quincyil says:

      Taylor sends messages to Kim and then is suprised when we, the audience, pick up on the winks and messages and judge her. I think Taylor, like Jill Zarin, is not self aware. Bethenny is self aware. She knows that the audience will view their actions and listen to their words. It is normal behavior for Human being to gather information and make conclusions. I think Lisa and Adriene are self aware and they are playing for the cameras in the sense that they are trying to use humor to deflect criticism. Kim is very serious, but she knows that the cameras are rolling and is able to predict the future behavior of the people around her. Kim was quiet, but observant when it came to Taylor.

      We all have observed manipulators like Taylor in the real world. We see them in the work place, in our social settings and in our own families.

  139. TLM says:

    Everyone remember Mary Kay LeTourneau, The 34-y.o. teacher in Seattle who had an affair with her 13-year old student? They just had her on the Today Show with her now-27-y.o. husband Vili. Their daughters are 12 and 13…hard to believe. She is now 48.

    I can’t believe this woman used to be a teacher and now works as a legal secretary. She can’t put a sentence together and talks like someone who has had a head injury. When asked what they had in common, all she could come up with is, “We both like music.” As an afterthought, struggling to find a better answer, she awkwardly got out that they both believe in treating people nicely.

    She was asked how she would feel if her daughters told her they were in a relationship with a male teacher 21 years their senior, since Vili was 13 when he took up with her. I still don’t understand WTF her answer was. I actually rewound and did a word-for-word transcript:

    LeTourneau: Well, one, well I just want to preface that…um, there really isn’t a comparison to, um, a male…mmm…in the situation compared to a female. But, uh, so…

    Vieira: What do you mean?

    LeTourneau: Uh, I just don’t believe that, uh, I don’t believe… there’s, um, physiological, ummm, issues with a female having, engaging in, ummm, sexual activity I would be worried if she was with someone her own age because, ummm, just ideally. Ummm, particularly for a female. Later. (laughs) So…

    Ok, what in the fucking hell was that???

    And she actually did not pause between “sexual activity” and “I would be worried.” She was like a runaway psychotic train. The pauses and content made absolutely no sense. The interview continued:

    Vieira (looking confused): But, Mary Kay, if you had a son who was 13 and having a relationship with his female teacher, that would be ok?

    LeTourneau: No, I didn’t say it would be ok. I think in an ideal world, nobody would say that’s ok. [Wow! A coherent thought! But look out…] You want…you want your children to wait you want them to…umm, because you want them to be productive adults and get an education first, and, ummm, experience all of…sorts of, actual…fun (laughs).

    That last quote had to be seen to truly appreciate its weirdness. Her affect is strange, and her laughs are just odd.

    I do think Vili is much more well-spoken and seems to have a better head on his shoulders than Mary Kay does.

  140. WSL says:

    Goooooooood
    Morning !
    TGIF !
    What is ROFLMAO ?

  141. TLM says:

    ROFLMAO = Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.

    I don’t know if anyone mentioned it, but after Taylor said everyone in the cast would defend Camille if anyone called her all the words Andy read off. Then, when Camille said someone said she had kids through a surrogate to keep her figure, Taylor didn’t say a word. The camera kept honing in on her as if they expected her to speak, but nothing. I guess it would have sounded really bad for her to admit she said that so close to saying she would defend Camille. LOL.

  142. WSL says:

    KLMH
    U have started my day with a good laugh !
    “I am from Oklahoma”!
    I was thinking, Is there anything in the classic play, Oklahoma, that reminds u of “Going Ok.on U”?
    I tend to agree about the HW signing on to open up. But what if Kim is really ill and was talked into, a big mistake & is teetering on a ledge ?

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