I Hate Jill Zarin Bethenny Ever After Feb 28, 2011

I Hate Jill Zarin   Bethenny Ever After  Feb 28, 2011

Bethenny Ever After premiered last night and I’ll be interested to see how the ratings come in, after last season as Bravo’s highest rated debut ever on the network, I’m hoping to see another record breaking premier.

Before the show aired, this interview was posted on TWOP:

Tonight marks the second season premiere of Bethenny Frankel’s (now better-named) spinoffBethenny Ever After, so to promote the big event Bethenny participated in a media call to address baby Bryn, the Real Housewives marriage curse, why she decided to come back for Season 2 and, of course, Jill Zarin. Read on for highlights after the break.

What was behind your decision to keep doing the show? One would imagine it gets increasingly more difficult to have a camera crew following you around your home as you add a family and more people to your immediate lives.
Bethenny: Well, it gets more difficult and, without getting into the details of my relationship with Bravo, I have a commitment. It’s not like you get to be like, I want to do one season and then, you’ve spent all this money on advertising and crew and all of that and we’re done.

So the show does really well and Bravo’s really happy with it and, you know, they’ve been really great. And there are many things I do love about it. I think it’s a great message for women. I have developed a strong relationship with my fans and like I said, I feel a responsibility in certain ways to be open about my life. [But] will I be doing this forever? No.

You’ve mentioned how you feel the obligation to allow the cameras to film your natural daily life. But is there anything that you and Jason have drawn the line at?


Bethenny: You know, it’s not that I want them to be in here every time I go to the bathroom. It’s that if he and I in general have had the same argument six times over about marriage or money or life or in-laws or something, at some point I want to let the cameras catch that because I just hate when you watch these shows and someone’s, like, broken up with their boyfriend and you see them laying there in full makeup pretending that they’re sad. I just want it to be real and if we’re going to do this at all and we’re going to portray our relationship I want people to get the whole picture.

As you know, a lot of Real Housewives marriages have broken up and you’ve seen it on the show. Was there at all a concern over kind of that Housewives curse?


Bethenny: I mean listen, the Housewives could ruin a lot of things. I’m very happy that I’m not on theHousewives anymore because it’s just a whole different place. But my show, I’m an executive producer. I’m involved in decisions — nothing gets shot if I don’t know it’s getting shot. And if Jason and I became unhappy as a result of the show or there were problems we wouldn’t do it. The least of our problems are my show. It’s just normal things that are happening that don’t have to do with the show. It’s just us being so different and in-laws and money and the more busy I get and normal life, those are the only problems that we have that everybody in the country has. We don’t have problems because we’re shooting my show. That doesn’t create problems.

Jason was on a season of Real Housewives of New York. Were there problems then?


Bethenny: My boyfriend first season did not want to be on the show, did not think it was a good idea, had no interest in it. Jason and I could never have stayed on the Housewives together. He’s like ‘I don’t like these women. I don’t like what this represents. It’s nonsense and it’s just catty and it’s’ — you know, he hated it. And he wasn’t really on very much as you could see. He was embarrassed. He didn’t want to be part of that. So if somebody has a partner or a spouse that doesn’t want that life it’s all encompassing and it can end up being very petty and minutia and that’s not going to be easy.

Were there any moments shooting this season where you were thinking, I wish the cameras weren’t here? Like when Bryn’s changing or crying?


Bethenny: No, because then it wouldn’t be real and it wouldn’t be a good show. No, not at all. Especially with her, no, she’s just a nice, easy kid. But no, it’s just been great. I don’t regret anything because could you imagine if I just kept out everything that was embarrassing or my breakdown on my birthday or me uncomfortable with Jason’s parents or whatever, then it’d be a terrible show.

As far as your relationships with the other Housewives, has Jill Zarin met Bryn?


Bethenny: No, Jill has not met Bryn, no. That’s not even a hard one, that’s an easy one.
No relationship there at all with Jill?


Bethenny: No, no, no.

I like the “No, no, no”, each “no” should hurt Jill just the way Jill hurt Bethenny with her hateful behavior last season.  I don’t think Bethenny was purposely trying to hurt Jill, I think it goes back to the decision that Bethenny made and announced immediately after her baby was born.  She doesn’t want the negative, toxic people around her baby, besides Jason doesn’t like Jill..so there!

Bethenny Ever After –

First of all, I really love the new name of the show!  Hated the name “Bethenny Getting Married?”  Particularly the stupid question mark.  I mean was there ever a question about her getting married?  Moving on…

I’m not sure this was the best episode to premier with, I think the idea was to help us all get to know Jason Hoppy a little better, a great idea because we all feel like we know Bethenny so well after 4+ years on television but we knew little about Jason.  The conversations got pretty heavy and serious while spending  time with little Bryn’s Grandparents.  Before this episode even aired Bethenny was being criticized for the dinner conversation with the Grandparents.

In the short time we’ve known Jason and his folks, fans have come to love them and no one wants to see conflict between Bethenny and her in law’s.  The conversation was an important one to have but uncomfortable and potentially painful for Jason’s parents.

Lets start at the beginning, Jason and Bethenny stroll through the city with baby Bryn in her stroller and their dog, Cookie on her leash.  The discussion turns to serious issues of another baby, work and even Bethenny’s birthday.

Bethenny asked Jason to help her with a distribution problem with her “Product”.  I noticed she never mentioned “Skinnygirl Margarita” on screen (she did last season).  I was a bit surprised to hear Bethenny involve Jason in her career issues.  We know that Jason has a job and we know that Bethenny has a staff, why would Jason get involved?  I think it’s great that Bethenny wants to include Jason and sees her business as “their” business, but is Jason ready to join Bethenny’s team?

The couple have a morbid but funny discussion about what would happen if each of them died, Bethenny insists that Jason wouldn’t get a dime of her money if he hooked up with some 20-year old blonde bimbo after her untimely passing.  She would prefer he just wore black and remained in mourning for several years.  Bethenny insists that she would just throw herself into her work if anything would happen to Jason.

The long car ride out to Jason’s parents house in Pennsylvania was relatable to anyone who has struggled to get on the road with constant issues, stops to be made and of course the dreaded dog poop on the car’s floor mat.  After five hours of what should have been a two hour trip, the Hoppy’s arrive in Hazelton Pennsylvania.

Jason’s mom, Carol warns Bethenny that all of their friends have been alerted to the arrival of the Skinnygirl to their small town, I‘m sure they edited out the part where they talk about all the television cameras that will be following them around.

Jason’s friend Brian arrives wearing an “I Love Hot Mom’s” t-shirt.  I thought these people were warned that they were going to be on TV?  Brian explains that he drives 120 miles to get his hair cut and colored, Bethenny poses the question we all want to ask Brian, “You drive all that way and this is what you come back with?”

The couples celebrate Carol’s birthday at a nice restaurant where all the other guests point and stare.  I would guess the initial staring was more due to all of the cameras and equipment than simply Bethenny being present in the restaurant.  I’m sure that without the cameras she would have drew some attention anyway, but they made it seem as though people were simply staring at Bethenny.  I’m sure many were just wondering why cameras were following this group as they dined in Hazelton Pennsylvania.

Dinner discussion turns awkward as they discuss how often Grandma and Grandpa Hoppy will see their granddaughter.  This conversation isn’t resolved in the restaurant and continues at dinner the next night at the Hoppy home.

Bethenny already took a lot of criticism for these scenes.  She seems to be wanting to set boundaries and guidelines for visiting the Grandparents.  This is Bethenny, this is who she is, she doesn’t “wing it” she doesn’t let the chips fall where they may.  Bethenny plans everything and doesn’t like surprises.  Her life is organized and she’s trying to  control this part of her life as well.  Right or wrong, this is who Bethenny is.

I don’t think her goal was to keep her baby away from the Hoppy’s, as she said she wants to enjoy her visits to Jason’s hometown and not feel like she’s forced to go there making it into something that they dread doing.  Holidays are a challenge for many families and in fact, Bethenny doesn’t realize that in many ways, having only one set of Grandparents to contend with can be a blessing.

I’m would be surprised if Jason’s parents want to be on camera too much after viewing this episode, unless Jason’s dad was thrilled to hear Bethenny reveal just how cheap he is, she noted that the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree with Jason being cheap as well.

Jason’s concerns about Bethenny saying too much and outlining rules are valid, yet he told his parents that Bethenny was negotiating moving to California in exchange for having another baby.  I’m sure that didn’t concern his folks too much.

Did I hear that correctly?  Did Bethenny really offer to have another baby if Jason would agree to move to Los Angeles?  I think Bethenny is open to having another child and I think we’ll hear any day now that she’s pregnant again regardless of where they are living.  For Bethenny’s career, she could easily live on either coast but for everyone else involved in this decision, it isn’t nearly as cut and dry.

Jason’s parents are clearly concerned, the difference between their granddaughter and only son living 2 hours by car or 6 hours by plane is astronomical.  Bryn needs to know her Grandparents and the Hoppy’s are very involved Grandparents.  But what about Jason’s job?  We don’t have a lot of details about Jason’s job and we don’t know if he could continue in his present position if they made a move to California.

I wonder if Bethenny thought about her longtime faithful assistant Julie.  Is Julie prepared to move her entire life to the other side of the country?  We know as of now, the Hoppy’s remain in New York.

The series of conversations with the grandparents could have waited until later in the season because I think we all saw the show as light and funny and all Bethenny all the time.  Both Jason and Bethenny provided talking head interviews but we didn’t really hear too much from Jason’s parents.

While Bethenny is taking the heat for drawing out guidelines for Grandparent visits, we did hear Grandma Carol make mention a few times of pretty unreasonable expectations.  I know she was kidding about the “every week” comment but she did say it more than once.  We also heard her trying to plan out every upcoming holiday and I completely understand Bethenny wanting to have certain holidays to celebrate with her little family alone.

In the end Carol reasonably said, “do what is best for you” and I have no doubt that is exactly what Bethenny will do but I’m sure it will include frequent trips to visit the Grandparents.

Bethenny was a bit rough on the residents of Hazelton Pennsylvania pointing out that the patrons of a small diner maybe had one full mouth full of teeth between them all, that was exaggerating a bit, her point could have been stated a bit more subtly.

Jason and Bethenny visited a low down dirty bar while in Jason’s hometown, a bar that he apparently frequented in his youth, many of Jason’s childhood friends joined the couple as Bethenny gave viewers the fifty cent tour.  The vinyl chairs, the sunk in bar and lack of high end brands of liquor to choose from were highlighted.  Bethenny was in shock as the bartender asked for only $5 for two drinks.  I have to agree that I’ve never seen cocktails being poured in any bar at that price, $5 is usually the tip for two drinks.  Admittedly bars in New York tend to charge for one drink what an entire bottle would cost in a liquor store.  Many things to into the price of a cocktail, not the least of which is the rent on the space and the atmosphere.  That explains the $5 price tag for two drinks.

Our hero’s seemed to enjoy their evening away from Bryn, out with Jason’s friends who are colorful, to say the least.  The conversation turned to Jason’s “roots” which were clearly in this town of his friends and when Bethenny noted she had no “roots”, Jason’s friend kindly offered to share Hazelton’s friendly hometown “roots” with Bethenny.  Maybe it was the cheap liquor or pure exhaustion but Bethenny got emotional and teared up a bit at this offer.

I don’t think it is too much of a stretch to say that Jason and Bethenny’s trip to Hazelton was a success and frequent trips there wouldn’t be too tough to take.  It is more a matter of finding the time and being able to leave their lives for a weekend to make the trip.  Who wouldn’t be thrilled for their child to feel all that adoration and love?  I’m sure the grandparents would baby-sit and let Jason and Bethenny have some time to be newlyweds as well.   It’s all about balance.

As the family pack up the car to leave the Hoppy’s and return to New York City, Jason’s father was a bit emotional and they almost left without Bethenny’s beloved Cookie.  Do you suppose the dog bolting out of the house and jumping quickly into the car was supposed to be symbolic of Bethenny’s feelings about leaving her in-law’s house?


The episode ended with Bethenny talking with her therapist.  Last season her talks in therapy were sprinkled throughout the episode, I think this season we’re going to see one talk at the end summarizing what we just watched Bethenny experience.

Bethenny revealed what she was told, as a young baby her mother would drop Bethenny off at “some woman’s” house and leave her there for weeks at a time.  Bethenny feels like she was unwanted as a child.  She has no roots, no where she can call her childhood home.

I really like this therapist, he calls her out and doesn’t let her wallow in misery.  Bethenny has a lot of amazing blessings in her life and while I understand seeing a therapist to talk things through, this guy makes her cut to the chase and get to the heart of things.

I don’t think that this therapist is her “Real” therapist, assuming she has a real therapist.  He is there so that we can hear Bethenny talk about her thoughts and feelings, it is all being filmed so it is obviously not meant to help Bethenny but to allow viewers even more into her life.

At the end of the episode, Bravo treated us to previews of the rest of the season going forward and I’m happy to report that while we do see some drama, it looks like it is going to be a fun season including Bethenny’s birthday party attended by Ramona Singer and Alex McCord and behind the scenes as Bethenny prepares for and appears on Skating With The Stars.

It will be interesting after watching Bethenny skate on the competition show to see what went on in her life as she prepared and to hear what she really thinks of Johnny Weir’s comments.

Bravo advertises that we should check BravoTV.com for Bethenny’s blog, yet there is no blog by Bethenny.  We do hear from her wedding planner Shawn Rabideau who compares his life to Bethenny’s life.  He will apparently be appearing later in the season.  You can skip his blog this week, it is pretty dull to be honest.  With plenty of time for Bethenny to have prepared a blog for her premier, I’m hoping it will appear soon.

Bethenny did mail out a newsletter via email to those who’ve signed up to receive it, here is that Newsletter:

I’m writing to you as I sit in my Miami hotel room, watching my beautiful baby Bryn in her crib. I forcefully decided to take a “mommy and me” week at probably the most inconvenient time ever: the week right before my show launches, when I’m supposed to be doing nothing but promoting my show.

Instead, I’m buying “swimeez” for Bryn, taking walks on the beach, doing “batheez” and having a “no boys allowed” girls’ week in the sun. This was the best idea of my life and it will definitely become an annual tradition.

I’m so excited for my show’s premiere and for all the other incredible things to come, but nothing compares to all the new gifts that motherhood and marriage bring every day. If all I do is work and run nonstop, I’ll be missing the beauty of being in the moment. As someone once said to me, “If you’re not having fun then what’s the point?” I’m just so used to being a survivor and fighting to get somewhere that it took me a moment to realize that maybe I’m here. I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again. We take on too much. Often “no” is the most powerful word. Ironically, my next book is called “A Place of Yes,” but saying “no” to others can sometimes mean saying “yes” to yourself.

Bryn is crawling and starting to talk, and I don’t want to miss any of it. The past year has been so incredible and you have been part of it. I have experienced success in so many areas of my life. I owe some of that success to you, some to myself, and some to the universe that gave me what I asked for and knew I could have.

I’m really proud of my show. It is my life: the good, the bad, the ugly, but most of all, the truth. Marriage, motherhood, work, and life are all challenging, but they can be so rewarding. Shooting a TV show is exhausting, but I’m so proud of “Bethenny Ever After,” and I always give it to you straight. It doesn’t have to be a guilty pleasure. It can just be a pleasure. So tonight, while watching, laugh, cry and have a Skinnygirl Margarita. I’ll be doing the same thing!

P.S. The Skinnygirl Night Out Tour starts again in March! See when the Skinnygirl Bus will be rolling into a town near you. Here are some upcoming dates:

March 4: Palace Theatre, Stamford, CT
March 5: Hanover Theatre, Worcester, MA
March 11:Cobb Energy Performing Arts Centre, Atlanta, GA
March 12:Hippodrome, Baltimore, MD

Until Next Time…

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288 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Bethenny Ever After Feb 28, 2011

  1. tootsie says:

    Am I the first? Am I really the first? I laughed, I cried, it was like Cats. Enjoyed the show. Hazelton is not far from where I lived at one time. I’ve done the dive bar thing, I lived the “countyfied life” at one time, it’s a good way go grow up. Hope Bryn gets to spend time during her growing years with the grandparents. They did a wonderful job of raising Jason and are a good influence. Just ordinary good people. I’m looking forward to next week. How wonderful to watch a show that leaves you laughing. Good for you Bethenny and Jason. P.S. Doesn’t Bryn look like Jason?

    • DJ Fruit Loops says:

      Bryn is one of the most precious baby’s i have ever seen when she laughs/smiles it just lights up a room

  2. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    I fell asleep again before getting to watch but will at some point~
    Thank you Lynn for a great recap.
    Have a great day all~Auntie Margaret still peaceful but has stopped eating or drinking..
    Thanks to all of you who took the time to say such kind words..you are more thoughtful & sweet than my real family..

    • justanothermary says:

      I just wanted to let you know that you and your family are in my prayers. Hope all is well. I’m going through something similar with my mother right now, so I can certainly relate.

      • twoile says:

        @BB & JaM Hope the calm your loved ones experience now bring some comfort to you in their & your journey together. Blessings all Love, Jeanne

        • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

          Thank you Jeanne~
          I have not felt so much love and kindness in a very long time & it feels wonderful.
          I Love You All~
          Patty

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Thank you so much Mary~you are so sweet..I wish I could give you and everyone here the biggest hug you are an angel..
        I am so sorry about your mama. If you need to talk & am here to listen. Unfortunately I have been through this with 2 hubby’s & my nephew & my hubby’s Allan mama & papa just over the past few years.
        I Love You All So Much Thank You~

    • klmh says:

      I’m not sure how I missed your previous posts on your aunt, but I am glad she is peaceful.
      My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Thank you so much sweet angels~
        You all make me feel so much better.
        Hugs & Love To Klmh~OMIB
        I didn’t how powerful such kind words could be.
        Thanks you again all of you..
        Patty

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      BaaBee- Both you and your Aunt Margaret are in my thoughts and prayers.
      Stay strong.
      Sending you peace and love…

      • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

        BaaBee – Your Aunt is so lucky to have such kind caring people with her and thinking about her as she takes her final journey. You are in my thoughts today.

        • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

          I have not had so many caring people in such a long time..
          Thank You All~Making me cry now~
          I Love You All So Much
          Patty

    • Nancy says:

      You and your Aunt are in my prayers.

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Thank You Nancy~
        You are the kindest people in the world here. I wish there were more like you all.
        You have no idea how much your prayers & sweet thoughts mean to me & Allan.
        I love You All.
        Patty

    • DJ Fruit Loops says:

      So very sorry to heat this about your aunt
      My Gran Passed last year and we had been carring for her for a long time (she had Dementia)
      that was really hard because she didnt know who any of us were any longer and she would get quite scared
      she lived to be 100

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Thank You DJ~
        That has been so hard for my Aunt Joyce as well. That is my mama’s sister who is with her in TN now.
        Your kind words make me feel like I haven’t felt in a very long time.
        I Love You All~
        Patty

  3. kbinldo says:

    I grew up in a somewhat small town (about 60k when I graduated from high school), & for whatever reason, my senior class is incredibly close-knit. (Shared experiences have a a way of doing that) Whenever a fellow classmate married someone who was from somewhere else, that spouse is considered a part of the group, so Jason’s friend’s comment that Bethenny could be part of their “roots” makes perfect sense to me.

    And I guess I’m still from the back of beyond, but $5 for 2 doesn’t sound out of line to me. It’s the prices in the “big city” that kill me.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I agree, I loved that Jason’s friend told Bethenny that she could be part of their “roots” I thought it was sweet. It was something that Bethenny may have made fun of in the past but now that she’s part of a beautiful family, she took it to heart. It was great!

  4. Mel says:

    I thought the episode was sweet. I enjoy the fact that this show seems more realistic the the housewives series. When I watch Bethanny Ever After, i really get the sense I am truly watching a glimpse of her life, as opposed to an artificial weaving of scenes and bad editing. However, I did feel that Beth was too rough with the grandparents. I agreed with Jason, and felt that this was not the right way to address her concerns. Jason’s parents are super sweet, and I feel that Bethanny is not use to this wholesome family background…so that’s why she appeared so harsh. Hopefully, in time she will learn how to open up and relax. Overall, i cannot wait to watch the rest of the season, and hope the ratings are strong.

    • Mookies1mom says:

      I think that B is not used to being part of a family. She and Jason haven’t figured out a lot of things just yet because everything is so new. His parents are super sweet! Of course they (Jason’s parents) want to see them more often as would any grandparents would. Even more so with Bryn being the first and only grandchild. I think B just hasn’t figured out her place in the family yet. That takes time. It took me a while to figure out my relationship with my in-laws but I did and now we are extremely close. I think that B will figure this out in time.

      I can’t wait for the rest of the season!

    • DJ Fruit Loops says:

      I agree and i love Jasons parents but for a couple that just got married and had a baby once a week is a bit much once a month sounds more reasonable and of course the traditional family holidays thanks giving and christmas
      but Halloween ?
      the babys too young to even understand what thats about yet

  5. plainviewsue says:

    First off, Brynn is beyond adorable!!! I found the scenes with Jason’s parents a bit hard to watch. I understand that is Bethenny’s personality, but sometimes you have to be less rigid and more open. This is their only child and only grandchild. Do I think they should see each other every week?? Of course not. But thinking about moving across the country when you can do your job anywhere is a bit selfish. If B wants a house, buy one in the Hamptons for weekends and such. As for holidays, is she talking about Thanksgiving and Christmas? Of course grandparents should be included!

    All B ever wanted was a family, and Jason’s parents are more than she could have hoped for. I know she had a horrible childhood, but she needs (hopefully with therapy) to move on.

    Other then that, I loved the show!

    In the interview you posted, she said Jason hated the other women. Surely, she didn’t mean Alex and Ramona. She should have said SOME of the women!

  6. cdnfillie58 says:

    Great blog Lynn…I still don’t think that was her best episode. IMO, I didn’t like how slightly arrogant and rude she came across last night, and I’m finding it a tad hard to accept “that’s Bethenny’s way” as an excuse, but I’ll keep watching anyway

  7. Olivia says:

    I think I may be a little too analytical for this blog. I have this penchant for peeling back the layer that is presented and searching for the motivations that make these women tick.

    In considering Bethenny, I am beginning to see her as far more calculating than what we have admitted. Considering that at her age she “suddenly became pregnant” after years of prevention and as a result launched her own series showcasing a quickly assembled wedding, pregnancy, and new business ventures all rolled into one. Though I will agree that these “oh oh!” moments happen, for someone who was supposedly focused on building her brand, that pregnancy could not have been the “surprise” that led to what followed. The convenience of putting a show together that combined all three elements makes me wonder.

    RHONYC was a stepping stone for Bethenny. The first break out member of the cast who in turn then decided that she did not need them anymore. Not denigrating her decision, merely pointing out that along the way Bethenny has been able to capitalize on her celebrity and moves on. Which may have been the reason she agreed to appear on that ridiculous skating show, possibly only intended to expose her name to an audience who may never have heard of her. The same for those “personal appearances” where she earns a speaking fee, sells books, and enlarges her brand.

    Bethenny has indicated that she is interested in having her own talk show. Which explains her desire to relocate to CA where she admitted last night held “opportunities”. Doing so would require Jason to give up his own job, if he has not already, and relocate in order to satisfy Bethenny’s wishes. Promising him a second child if he concedes is a form of calculation and manipulation that could create a lot of issues surrounding this marriage in the future. Where Jason seems grounded, Bethenny appears driven.

    I know I sound critical of her motivations but if you take a step back there are a lot of questions surrounding these decisions that cast her in a different light. It is one thing to make “snarky statements” in her talking head segments that included her previous castmates, they signed up for as much with Bravo, but the same snark somehow loses its humor when aimed at Jason’s hometown and friends. These people are minor characters in the plot and do not deserve to be “dissed” in order to underscore Bethenny’s “keen wit”.

    I have a feeling there may be a lot of “hurt feelings” in Hazeldon, PA today by those who don’t deserve it.

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      Olivia, you nailed it for me. I was very angry with bitchy Bethenny & how she treated her inlaws, and the people in small town America. If she is not careful, she will lose Jason, and her fans. Why is she alone in Miami? Where is Jason? She didn’t even mention him. I’m watching, and seeing that she is more than driven. She is obsessed with her brand, her success, etc. By ending the show with the therapist, she is trying to show us how she is evolving, handling her life…not sure I care anymore after seeing how she treated her inlaws. Did you see the looks on their faces, in reaction to what she said? She needs to think before she spews.

      • DJ Fruit Loops says:

        i think your being way too critical she didnt treat her in laws rude
        she was being honest with her feelings
        shes never lived in small town america should she pretend it wasnt a shock to her
        the first time i went to my inlaws in pa i couldnt believe my eyes
        teh difference for me was my in laws grew up where i did so they couldnt believe they’re eyes either

    • quincyil says:

      Bethenny wanted a baby with Jason I. Women get scared as they near 40 and have no baby. I think they decided not to use birth control to see what happened and were shocked that it happened. I bet all of Bethenny’s friends were in fertility clinic for years so she was surprised that she could get pregnant so easily.

      I liked the honest interaction between family members. It’s better than ignorning the comments or being snarky behind their backs. In every new marriage these issue arise.

      • CathyOP says:

        But these aren’t her only choices. A choice between letting it fester or being snarky behind their back are only two choices, a third choice is to be kinder, less rigid, less hellbent in micromanaging people as if she won’t be happy until everyone accepts that Bethenny has established the boundaries that everyone lives within.

        It’s part of Bethenny that should be a growth point, because it will benefit her marriage and her daughter regarding a healthy active relationship with her grandparents.

        • quincyil says:

          Bethenny would be the first to tell you that she has flaws.

          I think Jason is closer to his parents than normal because of his brother’s death. He feels that he is the only child and he has to take care of them.

          I think it’s going to work out in the long run for all of them because they are open to change and love each other.

      • Nancy says:

        Or maybe it was Bethenny that decided not to use birth control…
        I HATE to say this but I think it’s going to be a bumpy road ahead for Bethenny & Jason. I PRAY I’m wrong.

    • mimi0210 says:

      Olivia, I totally agree. Everything about Bethenny is very calculated, including her scenes without makeup. It really hit me in S1 when she went into labor. I doubt there was a film crew in her apartment watching her sleep when she went into labor weeks early. Then they have to show them showering and getting ready like they were in such a rush. She thinks being crude and natual is her way of relating with “real” people when she truely is a snob. How many times was she bleeped last night? I did not need to see her bra shopping for her fake 30Gs. I also did not think it was funny the way she insulted Jason’s friends and home town. His friend with the hair cut from Philly was not bragging about it. Jason asked him to tell her about it. My thought after her talking head was how embarrassed he must be. I only watched the first half then changed the channel. I saw enough.

    • CathyOP says:

      Exactly. The part about the snarky comments about the friends of Jason and other residents of Hazelton, PA, is where I agree with you so much.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Once again, I agree, Olivia. Your analysis puts things into a thoughtful perspective.

      While Bethenny appears to have softened in some areas of her life, in others she does seem more driven and exclusive.

      Why does someone need to “get away to Miami” to spend a “girls week” with her infant daughter? I can certainly understand her desire to spend one on one time with Bryn, but traveling to Miami to do this? I find it very hard to believe that she did indeed travel alone with Bryn. Maybe alone to Bethenny translates into Jason not being invited along.

      I don’t have a problem with setting boundaries in family situations. It is a healthy way to approach situations before they become contentious and stressful. However, how you approach this is the key to harmony. Encouraging joint input and reaching an amiable agreement by everyone concerned is frequently the least painful road to travel. Flexibility is the key and I’m not sure Bethenny is capable of this right now.

      I could not agree more with the assessment of her treatment of the people of Hazelton who never asked to be part of her celebrity. There is a fine line between “keen wit” and a lack of sensitivity to situations/people who may be different than you are accustomed to in your social circle. The people of Hazelton have every right to view this for exactly what it was…rude disrespectful behavior. Where is the part where Bethenny realizes that Jason’s parents still live in this town and that some of the people may be their close friends? Or possibly even relatives?

      I will slightly disagree with the statement :”there may be a lot of hurt feelings in Hazelton, PA today”. Believe me, I understand this area VERY well and the residents will be royally pi**ed and they have very long memory’s.

      Bethenny appears to be very internally focused on what she desires in life and expects others to follow in line.

      BetheMe…

      • If You Had It Like This says:

        “more driven and exclusive” is a good way of putting it DS. It’s interesting to watch because part of her “brand” is to be this relatable every woman and there seems to be a disconnect happening. I also don’t understand taking a girl’s trip with an infant. Huh? Don’t you want to take a girl’s trip with grown ups who can let their hair down with you and take a family trip with an infant?

      • Nancy says:

        Please tell me Bethenny didn’t go to the front of the line when she picked up Jason’s mothers birthday cake.

        • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

          I think the bakery was Magnolia’s, which always has a line because they have great cupcakes. Her cake was pre-ordered, maybe that is why she went ahead?

    • kbinldo says:

      Bethenny has always been upfront that she was using RHONYC as a way to get her name & brand out there. Jill deciding to treat her like crap for no reason gave her the impetus to say “I’m done with this” & it was Bravo that came up with giving B her own show just to keep her in their stable.

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      I tend to agree with you Olivia. Making fun of people is kind of Bethenny’s shtick but it only works in context with other snarky bitches who deserve it or at least have an opportunity to snark back. These were just local people, family and friends, who were really happy to host her. She always talks about being so “real” for the fans but it’s starting to feel very engineered to me. Even the bra scene. It’s like look at my hot post baby body and then be inspired to go buy all my skinny girl products and books. I’m not really faulting her for that because she’s obviously a smart business woman and she should milk this platform for all it’s worth, just don’t try to sell it to me in this “I’m 100% real and authentic” package. I don’t know. I’ve never been a truly die hard fan of B’s. I like her a lot at times but mostly in small doses and sometimes her rapid fire, wanna be stand up comic, commentary works my last nerve.

    • floridagirl88 says:

      Looks like I am in good company here. I didn’t want to be the only one who was turned off by some of what I saw last night. Bethenny complains about having no roots, yet when Jason’s family and friends step up and embrace her, she wants to “set boundaries” and ridicule them for being who they are. It looks like Bethenny is about to make a big misstep in driving a wedge, however intentional (or not?) between a man and his parents. Don’t do it Bethenny!! Jason is their only son and Bryn their only grandchild. She may not understand right now, but in a few years she will be longing for her daughter to spend the summers with grandma and grandpa.

      I got tired of her whining and complaining. The biggest turnoff of all is the way she just talks without listening. OK, so the show is all about her, but I am getting a bit weary trying to hear what other people are trying to say, as in a conversation. If she is talking all the time, it means she is not listening.

      I hope this show is On Demand because I don’t know if I can force myself to sit there through an entire hour of her complaining about all these wonderful people surrounding her. She always wanted a close family, but now that she has one, she wants to ditch them. I’m disappointed with this first episode of season 2, but I will try one more week to see if it gets better.

      • Brigid A. says:

        ITA. Remember that old saying: “God gave us two ears and one mouth for a good reason”? My head hurts after spending less than an hour of listening to Bethenny’s manic speech pattern.

        • ms molly says:

          Well it looks like i’m in good company today. I’d almost forgotten what it was like to listen to Bethenny talk. She will start 4 or 5 incomplete gibberings before completing a sentence, which is in itself maddening. I couldn’t believe how self-centered and rigid she seemed while talking to Jason’s parents at both the dinner in the restaurant and the meal at home. And I also couldn’t believe how gracious Jason’s mother was.

          She does not seem comfortable unless insulting, busting balls, or making everyone she comes in contact with the but of a joke. I wonder how long that’s gonna work for her.

    • Nancy says:

      If Jason gives up his job to come on board with Bethenny it will be the biggest mistake of his life. DON’T DO IT JASON!!!!!

  8. WindyCityWondering says:

    So glad to finally see a Bravo show that I have been waiting for! Bryn is a doll and has definately mellowed Bethenny. The car trip was a riot – all that necessary baby stuff and a neurotic dog to boot!
    Bethenny’s reaction to small town living seemed very genuine to me – it is disconcerting to someone who didn’t grow up in that environment. Grandparents want to see their grandchildren as much as possible and boundries do need to be set. Bethenny is willing to talk about it but Jason really isn’t. Jason saying that Bethenny will give him a second child if they relocate to California was the first truly rude thing he has done on the show. Bethenny wants to have the experience of family “firsts” and Jason’s parents get that Jason/Bethenny need to live their own lives too but can’t help stick the grandparent guilt trip in there. I
    I am glad the Hoppys are back and I hope the ratings are great too!

  9. I don't have my notes says:

    I could not stand Bethenny in this episode and I’ve been a fan from day 1 of the RHONY. Her superior attitude looking down on Jason’s hometown, people, bars etc. was terrible. She wasn’t just making snarky comments, she was mean and hurtful. Makes me wonder if ( gasp ) Jill may have had a point about how Bethenny treats people.

    Did she just realize who Jason is and where he came from after almost a year of marriage? This may be a real problem for their marriage.

    It was heart wrenching to see Mr. and Mrs. Hoppy’s faces at the dinner table. They must be saints to have the patience to deal with B’s inability to accept a family’s love without pushing against it all the time because that is all she knows how to do.

    The bra modeling was uncalled for and just a way to get some male viewers to the show.

    Don’t think I can watch this season.

    • Mookies1mom says:

      I wasn’t a fan of the bra scene either.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        lol I saw it as a PSA in the land of Bravo wonky breasts – because it is very important to have a bra that fits properly!

    • Goosey says:

      Curiously, I liked the bra scene. Bethenny’s body is a wonder and seeing her tiny waistline is inspiring to me. I know it was just to show off her body, (remember the nude pregnant photo shoot? – blech!) but now that she’s not pregnant I can appreciate her narcissism. Minus the gigantic boobs, that is.

      Bethenny reminds me of Fran Dreshler, a beautiful woman with a horrible voice (although I think Fran took voice lessons and sounds better now).

  10. colibrimoon says:

    I am not Bethenny’s greatest fan; however, I think the issues addressed last night are very real. Grandparents wanting to see their grandchild all the time, a son who has tried his whole life to make up for his brother’s death being reluctant to tell his parents NO and a new wife/mother trying to set boundaries. I think Bethenny being up front with her in-laws is much healthier than not speaking up and becoming resentful. Not an easy conversation; but, an important one. I think the entire Hoppy clan handled it well. BTW, I love Jason’s parents, they seem so sweet.

    I think Bethenny could’ve spared the remarks about the locals. The people were trying to accommodate the production crew. I bet it is hard to “act natural” with cameras all around. I tweeted earlier that I was so glad that the production crew included the townspeople.

    I enjoyed last night and am looking forward to the next show…

    • kbinldo says:

      Bethenny had an excellent point about it not getting to the point where they visited his parents because they *had* to. That’s very different from visiting because you *want* to.

      I think seeing Bryn every weekend is ridiculous, even though I know why they want to see her so often. The new family has to have some time & space to be alone together without someone else butting in, even if they are loved & great parents like Jason’s.

      I’m like Bethenny. I like my family & friends, but there are times that I know I just need to be alone, sometimes only for a few minutes behind a bathroom door. If I don’t get that, then for whatever reason, I turn into a bitch of the highest order.

  11. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    Long time Listener, First time Caller! LOL! How is everyone? I am almost ready to take my final exams, then graduate and then I will be able to be a bit more of a regular again! I miss you guys!

    Here’s the thing for me regarding last nights show. I am a bonified, born to be, city girl who married a lumberjack from the Appalachian mountain chain on the border of Ohio and Virginia. I laughed as I watched this episode because I can totally relate to the culture shock of traveling from the city life to the small community my hubs lived in before meeting me. The absolute difference was evident in every single thing from the houses (smaller cabin type homes) to the fact that his parents had an outhouse(?!) and a pump (an actual hand pump) in the kitchen to get water from. The “rich” people were the ones that had running water and most of them lived in “double wides” and these trailors were considered the height of sophistication. The ATPPR (average tooth per person ratio) was low, as there was no proper medical or dental office in the area and it was, in fact, the first time I had ever seen a woman with missing front teeth.

    My experience was a bit more extreme than the average big city small town culture shock, but I could definately relate. I don’t think it makes me a snob, maybe it does, but I can tell you that I used humor to survive my first trip there. I might have been a bit inappropriate myself when describing it to my friends/family, but the shock of the differences made me so uncomfortable, and I was so far out of my element, unable to relate to anyone around me and I used that humor to survive. In the end, the people won me over and I enjoyed subsequent visits, but that first one lives in my memory as a real “experience”.

    • quincyil says:

      My mom was city and my dad was country. People made fun of my mom for using big words. It goes both ways.

      I love his town and I love Jason Hoppy. Bethenny is always running away from someone or something. She thinks California will be her escape, but it is not true. She would be the same in LA and would miss her many friends.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        My mom’s family is country and my dad is big city. Going to the country was always an adventure for me and my cousins delighted in goofing on their city cousin – tipping cows anyone?? There was a culture conflict until my country grandmother wisely told me to call them out on the fact that I never made fun of them or where they lived – being snobby goes both ways. Bethenny will find her way and culture shock (like $5 for two mixed drinks) is different than arrogance and dismissal.

      • Rhetorica says:

        Quincy,
        I moved from Chicago & my husband moved from a small town in SC when we met in NC. We both still laugh at our culture shock the first time we took each other “home”.

        • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

          My favorite comment of the night was in the bar when B says to Jason “Why did you never tell me that I was an alien?” I just roared thinking that I knew EXACTLY how she felt!

      • DJ Fruit Loops says:

        she already has friends in LA though
        i seriously doubt they are gonna move just yet
        maybe when Bryn is older

  12. sss says:

    People should relax a little and go easy on Bethany. One could see she was struggling with real issues and trying to be respectful of her inlaws – in her style – while expressing her feelings and conflicts. I can relate: My ex-inlaws were disappointed with me becasue I told them up front I would not have dinner with them every Friday night after their son and I married. And I know I kept my distance from them because they could not help but take over if I let them.

    Bethany’s session with her therapist was also very real to me as the only child of parents who are long gone. I also have no roots.

    A great job Lynne. Thank you.

    • Zoey says:

      I’m with you on this one. I think people are being way too hard on Bethenny. She hasn’t gone thru this before, none of them have. They’re in unchartered waters. They clearly all care about each other. The parents want them there all the time. Jason doesn’t say much, so she speaks up.

      The thing she has to be careful about is, and I’ve been in this situation, is when the husband agrees with you but doesn’t ever want to speak up. If Jason leaves it up to Bethenny to continue to draw boundaries, that will hamper her relationship with his parents. If HE speaks up, it will be better received.
      In other words, either be united or let it come from their son, but if the ‘No’s’ keep coming from Bethenny that’s not fair to her.

      I couldn’t imagine going to spend every 3rd weekend at anyone’s house! That’s just too much. I think she’s doing quite well to be giving up that much of her time.

    • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

      I agree too. Speaking from experience, you need to set boundaries as a team and communicate the joint decision to the parents. Otherwise they will set up guilt trips and try to take over. Bethenny can come off as a little outspoken and abrasive but I get it………she definitely wants to nip this in the bud sooner rather than later!

  13. Rhetorica says:

    I agree with setting boundries; l wish l had done this with my EX inlaws! Both sets of grandparents lived three hours from us in opposite directions. His family expected us to be there every holiday & birthday. If we weren’t, they would call & make hateful comments & make our holidays h#@%! I think including grandparents is extremely important but families have to have their own traditions with their kids. Comments?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Someone is always upset when you have two sets of grandparents and the distance you must travel and the disruption/inconvenience to your life is not part of the equation. Extended families and grandparents are important but so is your little family and the traditions and memories you want to make with your children!
      When our sons were 12 and 8 we took them to Australia for three weeks over winterbreak – oh the resentment and backlash! Guess what – to this day the boys talk about that once in a lifetime trip and how much fun they had with just our little family.

      • Goosey says:

        I think when Grandpa Hoppy said “send her [Bryn] to her grandparents for the summer,” Bethenny was thinking about taking Bryn to places like the Hamptons or Martha’s Vineyard or southern Europe for the summers ahead of them.

        I think it’s sad that Bethenny doesn’t make including her in-laws a priority. Bethenny doesn’t value family like Jason does because she never had it (so she says) and if Jason continues to try to consider his parents’ feelings Bethenny is going to become jealous and irritated.

        I bet if it was up to Bethenny she, Jason and Bryn would spend most of the time at home or doing stuff with just the three of them.

        • spicygin says:

          Didn’t watch the show, but I find your comment very ironic. To say that someone doesn’t value family because they want to spend time with their immediate family (spouse and child) instead of shipping their child off to the grandparents. Maybe she doesn’t value all family equally, but I think that there should be priorities. I think she’s got her priorities right, immediate family first, extended family a distant second. That’s part of the conflict it seems Jason to be having since they’re not extended family, but does he consider them immediate family? Whose feelings will he consider first?

  14. Sha2000 says:

    Hi all,

    Early this morning my dear friend lost her battle against gastric cancer. She was giving, funny and caring and everyone loved her from the get go; a beautiful person inside and out. I am truly privileged to have known her and my only regret is that we have no days or hours left to look forward to spending together. We had so many plans just to do little things like a mani-pedi & running to Ikea. I am heartbroken.

    It’s nice to come here but please, take a moment today to call a friend or a relative that you love and make some plans to spend even a hour together, it is a gift I learned from my friend that I want to give to you…

    Susan

    • cdnfillie58 says:

      Sorry for you loss Sha2000..hugs

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      I am so sorry for your loss. And I completely agree with your sentiment, life is way way too short.
      Stay strong.
      Sending you peace and love…

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I’m so sorry for your loss. xo

    • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

      I am so sorry Susan, for your loss and for your sorrow. How nice of you, though, to remind us to make every day special. The loss of a friend is so hard; we sometimes are closer to friends than our own family. Many prayers are being sent your way.

      • tootsie says:

        I have added you and your friend to my prayer list. Losing a friend is truly heartbreaking. As long as you think of her and speak of her she will live on.

    • Kellita says:

      Thanks for sharing, Susan! So sorry for your loss.

    • FlowerPower (no longer StillaWallflower) says:

      Oh, Susan, I’m so sorry for your loss. Thank you for the beautiful reminder to cherish those who are still here.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      My deepest sympathy on the loss of your dear friend. Life is so short and sometimes we forget to do things in the present and not wait until we have “planned” an event, an outing, etc.

      Memories are priceless.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Sorry for your loss, good thoughts and prayers are coming your way.

    • quincyil says:

      I am so sorry.

      Q

    • Noreen says:

      I am so sorry for your loss. And thank you for taking the time to remind us about the really important things in life! I just made my call to an old friend!

    • Rhetorica says:

      I am so sorry Susan! I know how hard this must be for you. My daughter was engaged on Valentine”s Day. Her fiancee’s mom has been battling leukemia for months. She told her son in January she would live to see them engaged. She passed three days after the engagement. We were great buddies!

    • klmh says:

      My thoughts and prayers are with you and her loved ones.

    • Cusi77 says:

      ((((((((Susan))))))))) You came to the right place dear. Hugs to you.

    • DJ Fruit Loops says:

      so very sorry for your loss

  15. Butters'Mom says:

    It was strange to me that Jason kept bringing it up. I love the Hoppy family and with the death of their other son the need to embrace new life in their family is I am sure even more deeply felt. I believe B is trying but she is right. You have to set boundries. It should first however be a private conversation between B and J.

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      I think that was the only problem Jason had with Bethenny at both dinners, he and B did not discuss this visitation schedule before hand.
      I feel when a parent loses a child, all things change forever. B has no idea what that family went thru and it could be VERY possible that Jason promised to always be with them and to share his life with them.
      I would not feel so bad for the parents if they still had two boys, then B would just be the moody new DIL.
      You can just see the MIL biting her tongue allowing B to be “right” and agreeing with her, perhaps simply to see Bryn a little bit as opposed to no time at all.
      They sure did have to wait a long time to be grandparents.

  16. Brigid A. says:

    Thanks for the recap, Lynn! I have so many thoughts about last night’s episode but will try not to ramble. I starting experiencing a disconnect with Bethenny as last season drew to a close and afterwards through the Skating with the Stars, etc. It was great to see her personal and professional lives blossoming simultaneously, and who could not hope she would embrace this new happiness and success? With the therapist, she had the opportunity to sort through the emotional wreckage of her childhood, clearly a source of considerable unresolved pain. Despite all of these wonderful events, it seemed her whining, complaining and biting “humor” seemed to escalate.

    Recognizing that Bravo filming is edited (as ALL the HW’s & reality stars remind us endlessly), last night my impression of Bethenny’s behavior was that of a controlling, immature spoiled brat. She teared up when one of Jason’s friends in the “dive” bar told her she now had “roots” with them, but isn’t that what Jason AND his parents are offering Bethenny? The only love and stability she has known in her entire life, a solid and loving family unit? Yet she seemed haughty and defensive from the moment they arrived. Most people have an entire set of in-laws, yet Bethenny only has Jason’s parents! His brother is dead and we haven’t met any extended family. What is her problem??? I got teary-eyed at those painful dinner scenes. Yes, boundaries are important, but she is just brutal and has no filter.

    I think Bethenny is so driven and emotionally immature or damaged that she can’t accept that she now has the very things she’s wanted her entire life. Could she not have set aside her agenda and opinions and let Jason’s mom, Carol, enjoy her birthday dinner?? Just for one freakin evening? Yes, perhaps their expectations are unreasonable about seeing Bryn, but she is their ONLY grandchild and Bryn has only one set of grandparents. Seeing Jason’s mom showering Bethenny with physical affection and seeing his dad shedding tears seemed very real and raw to me. Also, they would back down graciously when Bethenny expressed her objections.

    Further, one or two funny, snarky observations about Jason’s home town and friends would have sufficed. Jason is her husband, these are his roots, and clearly he loves his parents and childhood friends. Aren’t these the wholesome small town qualities Bethenny so admired about him, even getting quickly impregnated and marrying him? Yet last night she acted like an arrogant biotch.

    In the final scenes with her therapist, she tried talking over him the entire time. Is she playing for the camera? I don’t know anymore. Unlike last season, he was more assertive and tried gaining control of the session by making her stay focused. Her pain seems very real but I can’t ride the Bethenny rollercoaster anymore.

    I don’t think I’ll be watching future episodes. I know Bethenny has many fans here and I respect everyone’s viewpoint, but I’m not feeling the love or sympathy for Miss SkinnyGirl.

    • kbinldo says:

      I’m sure she knew/knows that Jason & his parents are offering her “roots;” they had already welcomed her with open arms. It wasn’t until his high school buddy said it that she realized “roots” can include more than just in-laws & other relatives.

      • DJ Fruit Loops says:

        agreed
        i cant believe how some here are dissecting everything she says and does
        she wasnt rude to her in laws she spoke honestly from teh heart
        other then the comment about that guys hair she wasnt really all that snarky and i mean really he knew they were filming and he comes with THAT t shirt
        uhg

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      Word.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Thanks Lynn. Bethenny says people will be able to relate to her this season and she started it with one of the biggest issues – how do extended families fit in and how do you find time for your partner – she is a newly wed and having a baby thrown into that mix is daunting.

  17. VincenzoNewYork says:

    @Brigid: I agree with what you said! I did not watch the show last night;Bethenny’s behavior is too toxic to view for an hour. I prefer maybe a 10 minute segment of her on another reality TV show. Her humor ,I find to be quite revolting and very calculated, and I would prefer to laugh when a joke is actually funny, and clearly not intended to offend anyone. I find her offensive, and overly obsessed with her career and her ‘brand.’ At least she is receptive to thereapy, which is essential for her well being, and that will enable her to heal properly.

    Since I am in love with Lisa Wexler, Jill Zarin’s sister, I plan to read Secrets of a Jewish mother;Lisa is a very educated and an articulate woman. The book that she has written, deserves a fair chance.

    • quincyil says:

      I am suprised that you are just now reading Jill’s book. When you do read it, tell us your opinion of the book and her advice. I think the board would be interested as many people here have not purchased the book.

      Have you considered buying a group of the paper backs and getting a call from Jill? I know you really like her. I think you should do it.

      As the author of the “I Love Jill Zarin” blog on the prairie by quincyil, I award you our first place trophy for always being true to your self and consistent with your honest feelings on this board.

      You are always welcome here, our dear Vince.

      Q

      • VincenzoNewYork says:

        Thank you for your kindness, Quincy.
        I have the original hardcover, but the new version has all of their names in equal size, which is commendable because Lisa pretty much wrote a majoirty of the book. I want to interpret the book and formulate an objective opinion. There may very well be some sound advice in the book;it could be very well be enlightening. I will share my comments soon. I am still reading “Their Eyes were Watching God,” and I only have 30 pages left of it, therefore I should be done with it shortly.

        • quincyil says:

          That was nice of Jill. I think Lisa and Gloria worked hard on the book. All three of them traveled to sell it at booksignings.

          I look forward to your review,

          Q

        • AZ Girl says:

          Thank you Vinnie for taking the bullet for us all. 🙂

          • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

            Please post your review, Vin. I have not read the book, and probably won’t, but curious to read your thoughts on it. Thanks in advance.

  18. PhoneRN says:

    Overall I thought the first episode was alright, nothing really great. Based on the commercials, I was expecting her to go on and on with how hard doing everything is; I’m sure that will be coming.

    I thought the bit about needing Jason to come on board to help her with SkinnyGirl was really staged. I won’t be surprised if he quits the job he has (if he actually still had it when they were filming).

    Bra shopping I could do without; her friend really doesn’t add anything to the scenes they are in, why bother?

    I felt kind of bad for the “haircut” guy; I didn’t think his hair looked bad. It’s one thing to make a snarky remark in those Talking Head interviews about the people in the bar; everyone can think she is talking about someone else and not them, but to single out one person on national TV – ouch. If she really feels the need to say something like that, say it to his face and he can either defend himself or laugh along with her.

    I noticed her father-in-law wasn’t praising her with how beautiful she is, how great she is, like he did the first season. I think it was pretty telling when he said his wife was sucking up to her. I did admire the way she did discuss the need for some boundaries and that they will be wanting to start their own holiday traditions. I wish I had done that when I was married (but I was 18, not 39).

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      I am glad you brought up the bra shopping. Did you notice how the bra fit in the back when she was at Capri? If that was the bra she bought in the city, she needs to return it and get a different size, you are not supposed to have back lumps where your bra lies.
      It looks like it is too tight on her back. Lord knows the woman is skinner than ever, there should be no reason why it fit like that.

    • DJ Fruit Loops says:

      its kind of hard for me to feel bad for a guy who knows he is gonna be seen by millions and wears a t shirt like that

  19. Adgirl says:

    Yeah Lynn!!!
    Something new for us to chat about. I haven’t watched Bethenny yet but I will later today.
    I’m so glad we have a new show to discuss.

    I was half way to asking you to stealing some lip gloss from CVS so we could investigate your new life of crime.

  20. terry aley says:

    I put up a poll. Did you love, or hate, the premiere episode of Bethenny Ever After?!? So far, it’s a “love it” landslide. http://terryaley.com/2011/03/01/bethenny-ever-after-get-your-vote-on-love-it-hate-it/

    • Brigid A. says:

      Would have preferred more objective voting options to exclude the “team” references. Some viewers may not like Bethenny’s show but are clearly not Team Jill or Team Johnny, and therefore, will not vote at all.

    • Cusi77 says:

      Thanks for sharing Terry!

  21. Marlyu says:

    Totally agree with Lynn that this was not the best episode to start with, it made Bethenny look like the fame has gotten to her head a bit. I fetl really sorry for her in laws, all she does is CRY that she doesn’t have a family yet she pushes away one that desperately wants her to be a part of theirs. They have ben so lovely to her and she was ungrateful to say the least. The Hazelton comments were pretty bad as was her cold reaction to people shouting across to her that they loved her. Awkward to watch.

    She treated Jason like a hired hand in this episode, “I’ll GET THE CAKE! YOU clean the mat!!” Like he’s one of her assistants and I wish she would knock it off….one day he’s gonna blow.

    I love Bethenny and I have high hopes for her show, I wish she didn’t act so much like Jill in this episode!!!

    • Sunshine says:

      You hit the nail on the head. She was acting very much like Jill. In fact she also reminded me of Kate Gosselin and that’s not a good thing. Fame at any cost, pushing loving family away, treating people like they are her minions. I will be really alarmed if I hear that she’s visiting a fertility Dr.

  22. HD says:

    I am tardy for the party so I hope I am not repeating this but I see a lot about the city/country thing.

    Is it just me or does anyone else think it is quite odd that it appeared as if this was Bethanny’s first time in this town? I mean she was acting so brand new. But I am thinking you are NOT trying to make me as a viewer believe that this is the first time you have been in this town. That just does not seem believable. Am I crazy here?

    • quincyil says:

      She said that this was their first time going out to dinner. They probably were staying at their house as the baby was small.

      When did they start filming this? It seems that the baby is quite young and she is crawling now.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Was thinking the same thing about how tiny Bryn was last last night- I’m wondering if they started filming shortly after her birth while season one was airing as it was fall in the episode.

        • NormaJean says:

          There were fall decorations in front of the Hoppy house, so I’m guessing this was late Sept/early Oct.

      • AZ Girl says:

        I am thinking its September/October and that would make Bryn about 5 months old. She was premature so Bryn is going to be smaller than average. Bethenny in her newsletter said that Bryn is crawling now and she is beginning to talk. Bryn is now just 9 months.

    • girlygirlnyc says:

      I had the same thought. She said they go to visit all the time, then they acted like they had never been there before. They couldn’t possibly have just sat at ma and pa Poppy’s house all day every day. Weren’t any of his friends at the wedding?

  23. Noreen says:

    I love Bethanny. She doesn’t change for the cameras; she is always caustic and honest and makes just as much fun of herselves as others. Her in-laws are the nicest people in the world and should receive much respect from Bethanny, but she was was right to set boundaries. When Jason’s Mom brought up Halloween, I thought, these parents will never have a moment alone with their daughter if they don’t establish some boundaries. I would be a wreck if everyone weekend or even once a month, I had to drive to PA. But having said that, it’s not the worst problem in the world – having two great people who adore your child. And I think it is perfectly normal for the grandparents to always be around for Thanksgiving and Christmas plus a couple of other big Holidays. Thanks for the blog Lynn!

  24. VABroad says:

    Long-time follower; first-time poster. Wow, I think some are being pretty hard on Bethanny. If I remember correctly, she wasn’t the one who brought up the subjects of possibly moving to California or how often the grandparents should see Brynn. IMO, once the subjects were brought up, she needed to respond as honestly as she could. Hurt feelings in family situations happen. If you love each other, you forgive and forget. And unless Jason’s friends absolutely didn’t know anything about Bethanny and her tendancy to be “snarky,” they shouldn’t be surprised at some of her biting comments. I definitely don’t like everything she says or does, but her show is much more entertaining than any of the HW shows and I have watched pretty much all of them except for Miami (I could only watch about 10 minutes of that before I switched channels). BTW, Jill and her sister were on Imus in the Morning this morning hawking their book. It’s worth watching just to see Jill’s reaction and response when the subject of Bethanny comes up. You can see the interview on the Fox Business Network website.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Nice post! Thanks for the heads up on the interview – do you believe they are still hawking that moldy book??

      • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

        Yes, it was about the book, and more. Jill says RHNY

        • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

          Sorry, messed up the post above should be Jill says RHNYC coming on in April.

    • NMhousewife says:

      I totally agree with how you put it regarding Bethanny. You wrote it much better than I did (see my comment below).

    • Noreen says:

      Couldn’t agree with you more!

    • AZ Girl says:

      Welcome!

    • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

      Hello and welcome, VA! Thanks for the heads up about the interview. I went and watched some of it.

    • Zoey says:

      Agree with you Vabroad. It’s a tough situation and Bethenny was being tactfully honest. I also think Jason needs to step up and not let her be the bad guy all the time as far as boundaries. There’s a lot of love and I hope they can all work it out.

  25. WindyCityWondering says:

    I have to say this – Mr “I love Hot Moms” obsession with his hair deserved what was said and even Jason couldn’t keep a straight face. Bon Jovi? 120 miles to get a cut and highlights? Bethenny’s remarks were tame compared to what I was thinking! lol

    • NormaJean says:

      Even Jason’s mom had a snarky remark. When Jason’s friend with the hair left Bethenny has telling Cookie how good she was about the visitor, and Carol said “that’s because they have the same hair”!

      I have to say, I’m familiar with the area of Hazelton, Bethenny’s commentary is probably the running joke of the area. We have dive bars in my town where the same jokes are made.

      By the way, I don’t know if this is still the case, but when Jason was growing up there, Hazelton was very much mob country.

      • Crisanna says:

        I agree. I thought his shirt was kind of a joke on Bethenny and she was getting him back a little. It didn’t seem like their first meeting. The whole situation seemed very set up.

    • VABroad says:

      When I first saw his hair, I actually asked my husband (who was in the room at the time) if that was a wig. It looked kinda fake to me – LOL!

  26. Adgirl says:

    I’m dying to know what Jill has to say in her new chapter about bullying.

    • quincyil says:

      Vince is going to review the book for us. Hopefully, he will look at that chapter and give us a summary.

  27. NMhousewife says:

    I enjoyed the show and will continue to watch. I am glad they are showing real issues that newlyweds go through. The whole family thing was a valid issue for me as a newlywed, so I could be a bit more sympathetic towards B. I always thought it was the way guys versus girls view marriage that caused the problems. Guys still want to include their family in their married life right off while girls tend to be more romantic and want to create new traditions and experience things as a couple more. Anyway that is the way I see things, I could be wrong.

    I am not one who thinks B can do no wrong, but in her defense, the grandma and grandpa brought up the topic of lots of visits repeatedly which can be stressful if both B and J had not come to some agreement between themselves yet. Also, it was J who thought it would be great dinner conversation to bring up B talking about the move to LA, which when that was mentioned, was just talk like a lot of people do about wanting to move to this place or that place. It sounded just like a joke to me with the whole bargaining Baby and move. J definitely should not have brought that up to his parents.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      We will get to know Jason this season – to start we know he doesn’t want to disappoint his parents (still worried about this at 39?) and he likes visiting frequently because they dote on him. Agree that Bethenny didn’t bring up the visit topic and it seems like Bethenny and Jason may have had a discussion on the subject already but are not in agreement. Jason throwing out that Bethenny would give him another child if they moved to California was cruel in that it made him feel good, made Bethenny look selfish and made his parents hurt at the thought! Carol actually came to Bethenny’s defense on wanting family space/memory making and the need for them to create a life together that is best for them, etc. No sides being taken, it is a difficult issue for families both with and without grandchildren. I give Bethenny props for being aware communication is necessary and it will be Carol who steps up to the plate. Bethenny involved Carol from the start (picking out her dress because she doesn’t have a daughter), is aware of the Hoppy family dynamic and will never lose sight of the fact that Bryn is important to eveyone!

  28. lillybee says:

    The Dancing with the Stars cast has been announced and guess what Theresa was not included again.

    • Noreen says:

      How could they leave that talented beauty off the show. Are they crazy or something? Maybe the producers realized she would have to count to learn the dance steps and, well, …

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Maybe they don’t want her beating up the hosts/judges or other contestants?

        • Amber...Real Wife says:

          Also, per insurance requisites…

          32. Contestants knuckles shall not drag on the floor, without exceptions. Failure to adhere will result in termination of insurance.

          • Nancy says:

            My side is still hurting from laughing! I’m soo surprised that our dear “friend” Jill hasn’t gotten in the back door on this one. Now THAT would be worth watching. Could you imagine?

            • California35 says:

              I don’t think she would even try it. I keep thinking that she feels it would be too beneath her. Then again she does other things that … are not so classy ….like sitting behind the judges and stretching her neck to appear on camera.

              I think the real reason she hasn’t tried, is because it takes a LOT of work.

            • WindyCityWondering says:

              She would not be able to move with all the squeez she would be wearing.

              • California35 says:

                lol

              • Nancy says:

                If they could choreograph it perfectly, she’d pop out of her “squeez” & shoot up 30 ft at the end. It’d be a show-stopper. Double bonus to make her stay up in the rafters. She’d get my vote for that. No doubt Jill would put the empty squeez on EBay for the highest bidder.

  29. Great recap Lynn! I enjoyed the first episode of BEA and I am looking forward to the rest of the season. Did anyone notice the preview for the new show “Pregnant In Heels” last night? The show will premiere on April 5th at 10:00PM. I am bringing this up because I assumed that RHONYC would start after RHOM was over in the 10:00 PM time slot. I am wondering if they pushed back RHONYC again or if it will come on in the Thursday night time slot.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      At this point I don’t think Bravo knows what they are doing! That Pregnant in Heels promo looks like a Teen Mom grown up version of clueless, classless women who should not be having babies! IMO, Bravo is cleaning out their closets and throwing not good enough but paid for shows at us!

      • PhoneRN says:

        I was surprised to see the commercial for that new show, Pregnant in Heels. I vaguely remember that woman from the first season and I can’t really see her carrying her own show. Even though there have been other wedding planner shows, I would watch a show if they gave Shawn his own show. This new one I won’t be watching.

    • California35 says:

      I was surprise to see comercial for that show. Where did it come from? 😛 I remember anything about it…oh well.

      By the way my sister is pregnant and very close to her due date, she is in NO mood to be dressing up and doing her hair or any of that stuff. She just wants her baby OUT! lol

  30. Mel says:

    i read this on bravo’s blog and thought this person summed last night’s episode perfectly and thought i would cut and paste here.

    dolsgirl, on 01 March 2011 – 02:35 PM, said:

    I’m one of the dark horses I guess. I had had enough of Bethenny once her wedding & baby thing were over. Was happy she was finally happy and not so biotchy. So, I’m on here last night & click to Bravo & her show is on & she’s rude to Hoppy’s parents. She doesn’t know how to soften a blow. She apparently cannot conceive of a loving family that treat & speak w/respect for one another. Her husband was upset w/the way she treated her parents bc of all of her useless baggage that she’s got w/her. Drop the baggage already Bethenny & enjoy the people that love you.

    Love Jason’s parents, love Jethenny…..and from what I see, Jason’s parents get as much in her face about wanting to see Bryn more and more often as she does with her assertions about needing time for her and Jason & Bryn to form their own family unit/traditions…..

    Yup,,,,she’s got a lot of baggage…after three seasons of NYC & the previous BGM we all know that full well…..

    BUT….

    Jason’s folks have baggage of their own…they lost a son, suddenly, tragically, unexpectedly(I mean, can you imagine how these caring people felt after getting THAT phone call?)…which makes them that much more protective of and needy with the one they have remaining…..They have a HUGE void named Bryan that can never be filled, and the only compensation/consolation they have available to them is however much Jason can contribute to the growth of the family…..(and family is very important to the Hoppy’s – ALL the Hoppy’s,,,)

    …that’s quite a lot for anyone to have to live up to…and now that Jason is married & has a child, his wife becomes part and parcel of the (very understandable, very human) effort to make the family ‘whole’ again…

    I am cutting ALL of them a great deal of slack when they have their tense moments & misspoken requests/demands….because….

    ….bottom line (as far as I can see)….

    The ENTIRE Hoppy family (meaning Bethenny included) love each other and WANT to be a family….however awkwardly they make their way to that, I think, is a beautiful thing (warts and all) and well worth watching….

    When I think of it, the whole picture…it is kind of remarkable that all of these people have chosen to let us into their very sensitive little piece of the universe…

    …just sayin’…

    • Nancy says:

      I had tears in my eyes for everyone of them last night. Tears of sadness & joy.

      • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

        Me too, Nancy. I lost a contact in the process. I have been in Bethenny’s position, and at the time I was very resentful of the time demands of my in-laws, and it was hard. But by the time I had my second baby, we had all mellowed out a bit, and life went pretty smoothly from there on out. Everything is so new for the Hoppy’s, jr. and sr. I am sure they will all find their way towards being a happy, hoppy family.

        • Nancy says:

          I just pray that Bethenny will stop and smell the roses.
          Both my husband and I no longer have parents. I would do anything to have Jason’s parents in my life. Maybe they would adopt us? ha ha

          • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

            I know what you mean Nancy, as I don’t have my parents anymore also. My in-laws have been great grandparents to my 2 children, always supportive of them, always generous, and always kind. Can’t ask for more than that.

  31. AZ Girl says:

    I was only able to watch half of last night episode. Bryn is beautiful.
    I wish I could afford a bra at that shop. Supposedly, “The Bra Lady” everyone refers to is an expert at finding a bra that fits you and is COMFORTABLE. I would sell my soul.

    As for Bethenny and Jason’s parents we need to remember that Bethenny grew up with no “bench mark” in terms of what a real family is like. I could see that it would be somewhat “overwhelming” having Jason’s parents, friends, small town, etc. all at once. I think her defenses were up and backed into a corner Bethenny does tend to get snarky. I really think she will mellow out over time. Jason is the best thing for her.

  32. AZ Girl says:

    Jill tweeted that they are doing Imus today to promote the book. I didn’t think Imus was still alive. Now that is news!

    • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

      Just watched some of the interview online. Jill throws Bethenny under the bus not once but twice. She’s trying to rewrite history, imo.

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        Did you see the sisterly eyebrow raise Lisa give Jill when Jill said her friendship with Bethenny was “fake”?
        It was like a “good girl, I’m glad I told you to say that” from Lisa to Jill
        And excuse me, but who the heck gives a “gift” of a discount card from their own business to a talk show host? T-A-C-K-Y!!!!

    • DarkSonnet says:

      After listening to the interview, I don’t think he is alive either…

  33. Nancy says:

    Why would Bethenny say taking a vacation without Jason was “The best idea of my life and will be doing it annually”? And whats behind the “I FORCEFULLY decided to take a “mommy & me” trip”?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Sounds like Bethenny wants some alone time with Bryn and her Florida gal pals – no harm, no foul and probably the best thing for her! Her life is frantic, her alone time is nil and knowing when to pull back and center herself is her call. It makes me wonder if another baby is in the very near future…..

    • DarkSonnet says:

      @Nancy – I also was curious about the “forcefully decided” connotation. The best idea of her life? Curious…

    • Rhetorica says:

      Maybe she “forced” herself to take the trip. That relates to her yes/no comments about decisions in life.

    • California35 says:

      I wondered that too, but I figured it was to do girl things and maybe Jason is at work. I don’t have the busy life or children, and I feel some times like taking a day off from everyone…just to have some me time 🙂

      • floridagirl88 says:

        She could have left Bryn with her grandparents and had a real girl’s weekend. Did the other women bring their children?

  34. SillyMe says:

    My feelings are sorta split over this episode. Although I’ve always been a fan of Bethenny in the past, watching her last night was kinda hard for me because I thought she came across a bit snooty. The dinner scene with Jason’s parents was particularly hard to watch for me because on one hand I can relate to having grandparents demanding all the time with your kids but on the other hand I couldn’t help but feel sad for Jason’s parents to be turned down the way they did. I’m expecting twins right now and these are my first kids and my mother-in-law asked me last week if I would seriously consider moving to live with her and the family in Houston (we live in Austin) after I give birth to the twins because she said there’s no way I can take care of 2 babies on my own and she and her daughters can help me with childcare and also the other kids can spend more time with their new cousins. Now my MIL’s request was way more outrageous than Jason’s mom’s request at seeing Bryn during the holidays in my opinion but I still had to subtly and gently said no to my MIL multiple times because as hard as it will be for me and my husband with 2 brand new babies, we will need the time together to build and work on our little family, so I thought Bethenny was harsh with the grandparents during last night’s episode since seeing them last season, they’ve always been so sweet and loving towards B and deserved a bit more consideration. I sure hope she will evolve and soften up more through this season. 🙂

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Congratulations – twins are double the fun!

    • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

      I wish you all the best with your twins, I’m an identical twin myself – nothing better. We’re in our early 50’s now and still the best of friends.

    • California35 says:

      Congratulations!!! How exciting! Nice of her to offer, but glad you are able to decide 🙂

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Congratulations! I agree- there is a way to assert yourself without leaving any hurt feelings.

    • mariareads says:

      Best wishes from another mother of twins SillyMe! It’s so wonderful. Yes, it’s work, but I got through it and when they reach the walking/talking age (it comes faster than you think) they are built in playmates for each other. My sons are 28 now and still have a special relationship. One lives in NY and the other in CT and they just made a special weekend to be with their elementary school friends and have a grand time together. Please keep in touch and let us know how you are doing.~As for Bethenney last night, I too felt she was way too harsh. She has issues around this family thing and creating her own “little family” that she feels is heaven etc. seems very selfish to me. Then again, I think she has been living a bit selfishly for a while now. I like her. I like her humor, but I didn’t like her behavior. She can’t keep her husband and baby all to herself and imagine that that’s OK for Jason and Bryn. It’s not OK. Grandparents are not around forever and once they are gone, so are any opportunities for those special times. I think the Hoppys have different circumstances. Losing their son has to be HORRIBLE. I don’t even want to think about it it scares me so much. They have a lot of love to give and I think they will learn to be less vocal about their desires to see the baby more. They’ll get it. But it was obvious they were hurt and it really bothered me. Just because B was raised by “crazy people” doesn’t mean that she should circle the wagons around her husband and child. They are allowed to enjoy their relatives and it is painfully obvious that Jason loves his parents very much and would like his daughter to have a relationship with them. I come from a very close family who were not in my house every single day, but my mother was there when I needed her at the beginning and every single day after that she would drop everything if I was ill or the kids were sick or whatever. As was my dad. Those times have made both my sons much better young men. My in-laws had 7 kids so they had 26 grandchildren (I think). Ours were almost the last and by then it wasn’t a big deal for them. They enjoyed seeing them, but my kids were by no means the favorite of my mother-in-law. It would have been nice, though. Our kids are very loving and she would have had a great time with them. Anyway, no matter. It’s not my life but I was taken aback by the behavior. This baby is a big deal to these people and unless B wants trouble and resentment from her husband, she had better learn to share. He doesn’t strike me as the type to cave and hurt his parents. I don’t think seeing your only grandchild once a month is asking too much. I’m sure they would come to the city and keep them from having to drive to PA but if you can drag your baby to CA to skate and take your baby away to FLA on vacation alone, it seems to me that a once a month trip to PA is no big deal. Welcome to family life, Bethenney. Get used to being more diplomatic and understanding.

    • SillyMe says:

      Aww thanks everyone!! I sure can use a lot of advice when it comes to babies so anything you can offer would be greatly appreciated!! It’s funny because ever since we found out we’re having twins, the universe seems to surround us with twins or parents of twins so the experience so far has been amazing!! My ObGyn has twins, my family doctor just had twins herself, and a couple of weeks ago I was in the ER and the ER doctor who treated me also has twins, and now you folks from LynnFam are twins and parents of twins yourselves I feel so blessed to have come across all of you!! 🙂 Being that this is my first pregnancy I’ve been in a world of worries and paranoia over everything, but finally at 25 weeks now I’ve been able to feel them move/kick so at least I’m not constantly wondering if they’re ok in there…lol…btw i’m having 2 boys!! 🙂 And you’re right I thought it was sweet of my MIL to worry about me being able to care for 2 babies when I’m so new at all the baby-business and I can’t fault her for wanting to see more of her grandbabies so I can’t be too hard on her. I’m glad to share that after my insistence on staying here in Austin after the twins arrive, my MIL said she will come here and help out for as long as we need or until we can find a nanny to share the load so all is good in the hood!! Have a great night everyone!! 😀

  35. boston02127 says:

    I’ll just leave this right here.

    Kelly’s tweet:
    I wore a burnt orange mini dress. Dressing well shows you have self respect. Dress your best.

  36. Amber...Real Wife says:

    Enjoyed the first episode, and think it’ll be a great season. That said, I am on the fence with Bethenny and the parents. I feel they are all putting pressure on Jason and he is definitely in the middle. He’s a great father, son and husband, but he has to decide if he’ll be a better husband or son. The parents are definitely clingy. With all understanding of their loss, they still are trying to over insert themselves into the “honeymooners” lives, and every milestone of the granchild achieves.

    As close as Jason is with his parents, HE DID MOVE AWAY from them. He could have stayed in his hometown and I’m sure lived comfortably. He chose to move to NYC, a 2hr ride, but far enough to allow him some freedom and independence. Now that he’s a parent who is in love with his daughter, he has fallen into a guilt trap set by the parents. He understands the love and empathizes deeply with their loss as a parent now. They on the other hand, keep pushing for visitation since B is estranged from her mom, thinking they’d automatically have dibbs on every holiday or event in Bryn’s life.

    I agree with B, when she says they need to have their own moments and traditions. Was it a little rough? Maybe. But how many times didn’t they ask for visitation? Shoooott, a 1/2hr road trip with a newborn, dog and baggage, is rough. Imagine 2-4hrs with stay away luggage, strollers, playpens etc. every other week! Can’t do it.

    • quincyil says:

      I think they will work it out. The grandparents love their son, daughter in law and granddaughter. Love is a powerful element in making happy families.

    • neroes says:

      I agree. I’m a grandmother and my advice to Jason’s mom would be to step back a little. Jason and Bethenny have to work it out themselves. Bethenny is his wife and she has to come first. I’m sure little Bryn will have lots of grandparent time.

      • Zoey says:

        Wow, you sound like an awesome mother-in-law and grandmother. Very wise words, and not easy to say always, I’m sure.

      • jillz68 says:

        I agree! Mister Jillz68 watched with me and he said that if the gparents don’t back off and Jason doesn’t start taking B’s side their marriage will end sooner rather than later. He saw this with his own mother. His father never backed up his mother when it came to very loving yet VERY intrusive in-laws and they divorced after 3 years. In fact, Mister Jillz68 said it helped him understand his own family dynamics watching B, J, and gparents.

        I like Jason and Bethenny. His parents seem super cool. That said being expected to see in-laws as much as they want her to is too much. At least for someone like B (and me). She works all the dang time, it really isn’t too much to ask.

    • California35 says:

      It is very sweet to see how much the grandparents like to be with the baby. It is understandable, but they will understand that they can’t have the baby all the time. They are new at this and so is Bethenny…they all seem to come from a place of “yes” 🙂 so I am sure they will work something out. It seems that they do see each other a lot, and maybe the problem is when the newly weds can’t visit when the parents say stuff that make J and B uncomfortable.

    • Zoey says:

      You made some good points, and I agree, Jason will have to step up. He is a husband now, and a sure way to lose his wife is to not stand up for her or with her. You leave her hanging and she will resent you. I hope they work it out, there’s lots of love there.

    • Nancy says:

      My fondest memories from childhood are the times I spent with my grandparents. I’m sure they will work it out but PLEASE Bethenny don’t move to LA. I’ve lived there…I’ll leave it at that.

  37. AZ Girl says:

    Holy Crap! You all need to hear/see this Imus interview with Jill and Lisa. Talk about throwing Bethenny under the bus. Jill called their friendship “a fake TV friendship” Of course Imus has no idea what his is talking about but has leading questions about Bethenny and that she got her own show. This is such BS. Jill, you suck.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/imus/index.html#/v/4561879/jill-zarin-on-benefits-of-being-a-real-housewife-of-new-york/?playlist_id=87057

    • boston02127 says:

      Does Jill own a TV? Didn’t she watch herself (at the lunch when she brought the pototo things for B) crying & almost begging Bethenny if they could get together again? Did she see herself at Ramona’s renewal acting like an idiot with Bethenny?

      • AZ Girl says:

        And to have Lisa “chiming” in agreement is just disgusting.

        • boston02127 says:

          I was thinking about the three of them today and the book going to paperback. I can’t understand how at least one of them can’t see that their book is a tank. They keep pushing it & pushing it. It’s almost laughable.
          When the book first came out and it wasn’t a big hit they should of quietly walked away.

          • I don't have my notes says:

            Did I hear her correctly? She denied having a friendship with Bethenny and that it was a “fake, tv friendship?” Disgusting.

            • DJ Fruit Loops says:

              she DID have a fake tv friendship with Bethenny
              sadly for Bethenny she didnt realize it till it was too late
              THANKFULLY Bethenny woke up saw Jill for the HORRORSHOW she is and cut all ties

          • DarkSonnet says:

            OMG – I had totally forgotten just how much I detest this woman.

            She will never change, never.

            It didn’t even reach mediocrity, it was a non event. If it hadn’t been for AmazonGate, it wouldn’t have even been a minor blip on the literary radar.

            • DarkSonnet says:

              Is it just a coincidence that the “countries” that will now be blessed with translated versions of this book are also countries that are known to have a shortage of toilet paper?

              Just askin…. 😉

    • California35 says:

      She just keep making herself look bad. Move on! or “get a hobby!” lol

    • AZ Girl says:

      There are 1000 ways Jill could have been gracious about Bethenny and the falling out last season. Take the high road and move on.
      Instead, Jill goes for the jugular and that sucks. I am fired up! I am ready to take Jill out back and go “All Arizona” on her right now.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill still doesn’t get it that jealousy is unattractive and that everyone (fan or foe) is sick of her pettiness. She needs more than a hobby – she needs a meaningful life.

    • quincyil says:

      I think that Jil and her sister have not watched season one through three of “The Real Houswives of New York City.”

      Did you all notice the Amazon quote that Jill left on Alex and Simon’s book comments? It was horrible. How could she?

      On this Sat., there is a 4th Season story about Jill that may be of interest to board members who lived through the experience. Sometimes in fiction, there is truth.

      • AZ Girl says:

        Lisa is supposed to be the “intelligent” one. She came across just as bad.

      • Zoey says:

        Maybe everyone should make copies of those seasons and send it to her since she must have forgotten how rotten she was.

    • Nancy says:

      Thank-you so much Jill for sharing this interview with us. Now I own a “hard copy” of this to remind me why this blog is called…I HATE JILL ZARIN!

    • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

      Well I really feel like crap after watching Imus JZ & her sister~hate them all~
      What a bunch of garbage~Imus should really just lay down. I have hated him since that racial slurr & cannot believe these FOX lovers. Makes me sick.

  38. I don't have my notes says:

    I keep reflecting on how Carol Hoppy handled the whole dinner conversation by diplomatically taking Bethenny’s side and showing her support. Here is how the situation would have been handled in my hot-blooded Mediterranean family.

    “Oh you go on and move to California. That’s fine. Just forget you have a mother. I don’t need to see my grand daughter. Forget about me. I’ll be fine. I’ll live out the few remaining years I have alone. Just leave. Do what you want. ( cough, grasp chest in pain) Just because I spent my entire life caring for you doesn’t mean that you need to think of my feelings. Where are my pills? I need a pill. The doctor told me not to have any stress, get me a glass of water. You go, do what you want. ( rubs side of breast) Is this a lump? Don’t worry about me, I’m sure it’s nothing. You move. Enjoy. ”

    Anyone relate?

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      um…spitting up a loogie of blood into my damask napkins inherited from my great grandmother…and standing up to show it to all the guests about how very stressed “this girl, this girl!” was making her. ahh..thanks for the memories- good times, good times.

      Not on drop of hot Mediterranean blood either. They have NO excuses!

    • California35 says:

      lol I so related…with at least some it lol…I know plenty of people (friends and family) that would relate also.

      That is why I wasn’t shocked about that scene/part last night. I have seen worst in person. Parents recriminating or playing guilt trips, either very open or very subtle. I saw what the mother was doing. With time, children just hear their parents/in lawas and not coment any more understanding that the parents will always wish for more.

    • boston02127 says:

      @I don’t have my notes—-OMG—LOL! LOL! Funniest thing all day!!! Thank you.

    • Crisanna says:

      OMG! I so relate! My mother is 79 and constantly reminding us that she may very well be “dead and gone” this time next year, next month, etc. When my mother gets on one of those kicks, I ask her what day she plans to die so I can make sure in advance that I have the day off. Needless to say, she doesn’t like that very much! LoL.

    • ilovelynn says:

      omg! totally relate! that is exactly how my mother, god rest her soul, used to act! I’m an only child and I (although I’m going to be 70 and my dad is going to be 100) made sure we always spent every holiday with them, including fourth of july, memorial day, etc. of course, things haven’t changed, we still include my dad who lives 40 minutes away. your comments really brought back memories, although now I can laugh about my crazy italian family. my husband, who is a wasp, used to say, when he was with my parents, “everyone is yelling, but no one is mad”! his family repressed everything!

  39. DarkSonnet says:

    ROTFL!!!

  40. California35 says:

    Hi everyone,

    Lynn – Loved the recap and LOVED that B is back. I enjoyed the show and couldn’t believe when it was over. The hour went by so quickly to me.

    She made me laugh with the whole thing about insurance and that she won’t leave him any money to spend with some other woman. Also the time when Cookie got out of the car to go after B and got into some store, and when she run from the grandparent’s home to the car as saying “you are not leaving me!!!” both parts reminded me of my dog 🙂

    It is so sweet how much the parents treat them, always wanting to spend more time with them. Listen, even if they moved across the street and visited every day, the parents would keep wishing they stay longer. That is the way some parents are. For that reason B and J should visit when they can and not worry when they can’t. The good thing is that when they see each other they enjoy each other. I am sure they will figure things out.

    The baby is sooo cute and she looks so much like his side of the family.

    I can’t for next week to watch it again. I will try to read more of the comments here and B’s blog tonight. I hope she got good reviews.

  41. sweet pea says:

    I just watched an episode of Two and a Half Men where the Charlie Sheen charactor is taken over by a coven of witches. When he finally comes to…he looks in the mirror and can’t believe how horrible he looks (pale, circles under the eyes). I swear, seeing him on talk shows the past few days…he looks worse now!

    • California35 says:

      He does look pretty bad 😦 I hope he gets some help and some one to advice him not to do any more interviews.

    • floridagirl88 says:

      I saw that too. When I checked for the date, the show was from 2005.

  42. WindyCityWondering says:

    Bravo is true to itself – I have tried to post on Bethenny and Shawn’s blogs on and off since this morning – I even used by Comcast account! The least they could do is say thanks we are too busy so try again later or not.

  43. @tweatcyn says:

    I have less difficulty understanding where Bethenny’s sometimes manic drive, inability to form close bonds, distrust of others, and control issues come from than some other’s above. Her behavior is the result of her never feeling unconditionally loved by her mother. Everything is woven from that deepest of hurts a child (no matter how old) can feel. Am I so unloveable that even my own mother can’t love me? If I cannot rely on my own mother to comfort me and take care of me who can I rely on? Nobody but myself. I understand because I have much in common with her in this regard. I recommended to her on twitter and on her website to read Peg Streep’s book “Mean Mothers”. It will help her to mend her emotional wounds. Her therapist seems pretty keen though and he may help also. Here is an excerpt of an excellent book on how having a mother like Bethenny’s can ruin a child’s ability to trust and bond with other people.

    “Most daughters who’ve broken with their mothers acknowledge that this is less a “solution” than a life-saving strategy which only offers partial healing. Whether the separation from a mother’s ability to hurt and inability to love occurs because of “divorce” or death, the result falls very short of perfect. Terri’s mother died when she was eighteen, ending what had been both a reign of terror and emotional deprivation. But even the abrupt ending wasn’t really an ending at all. Her voice low but insistent, Terri tells me,” There is always a hole in me that needs to be filled, and can’t be. Not the love of my four kids or my husband of twenty-odd years, or my friends fills it. It’s always there, like a tear or a hole in fabric. You can put threads in to repair the weave – the threads of other relationships – but the hole is still there.”
    “Children of mothers who are repeatedly unavailable or repeatedly rejecting demonstrate avoidant behavior and adapt avoiding physical and emotional closeness with them. Children of mothers who are only sometimes available and who aren’t reliably attuned adapt by being ambivalently attached. Because they don’t know what to expect – is she going to be the nice mommy or the yelling one? – these children develop anxiety and insecurity about the maternal relationship and, as adults, a sense of all relationships as being essentially unreliable. The last category of insecure attachment is the most problematic. When a child’s needs are unmet and she finds her mother’s behavior frightening or chaotic, she may develop a disorganized attachment. Disorganized attachment is most closely associated with parents who are physically or emotionally abusive, and it is the type of attachment which engenders the most conflict within the child and is most destructive to the formation of self. As Daniel Siegel writes, ” In this situation, the child is ‘stuck’ because there is an impulse to turn toward the very source of terror from which he or she is attempting to escape.” This impulse explains those horrible instances of child abuse when a child is injured by his or her mother but, in pain, still calls out for “Mommy.”

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Thanks for bringing this to the table. Bethenny is complicated and compromised by the relationship she didn’t have with her mother who wasn’t a mother on the simpliest terms – the necessary unconditional love a child needs to feel. It broke my heart when she told her therapist she just didn’t know if her mother ever loved/wanted her.

    • AZ Girl says:

      O.k. I am going out on a limb here.. We don’t know Bethenny’s mind. Nor should anyone here be playing an “armchair” therapist. Post like this really bother me. It goes over the line on what is and what is not. The author that you quote and what you personally believe are not treating Bethenny so you have no business deriving conclusions to her behavior.

      • Zoey says:

        I actually thought it was a great post and a good observation based on what we saw. All we can do is comment on what we see, and what we think, and that’s what @tweatcyn did in my opinion.

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      I think Bethenny is the type of person that will never be happy or satisfied.
      Season 1 NY, she just wanted a relationship with Jason 1.0
      Season 2 NY, she just wanted a relationship with anyone and a career.
      Season 3 NY, she found love and a baby on the way, but wanted more from her career,
      BGM, all she wanted was to get married and start the family
      BEA, now it’s California, Jason working for her, less time with in laws, baby #2, talk show, etc. etc. etc.
      I don’t know how long Jason will be able to handle her unhappiness/dissatisfaction.
      I thought it was telling when Bethenny mentioned (while at Capri) that she was surprised how different she and Jason were. Really? Should she not have noticed this BEFORE marrying the man?

    • Cusi77 says:

      Great Comment Twatcyn! Thank you for sharing! My love goes to you.

    • Kellita says:

      Thanks for sharing all of this, @tweatcyn. I had a crazy, unpredictable mother and can relate to some of this. I’m going to look for that book.

  44. boston02127 says:

    Pic from Jill’s tweet:
    here is photo of us! http://twitpic.com/455nfa

    Ever notice that Jill doesn’t dress normally. She decorates herself. It’s almost as if she cant “decorate” enough. She’s got the rings, bracelets and the boobies hanging out, the over the top make-up. She’d look so much better in a simple white shirt and a black blazer and half the makeup.
    Isn’t there a rule when getting dressed? Once you’re dressed and look in the mirror and think you look good, take 2 things off.

    • California35 says:

      wooo that is a new one, I don’t remember seeing her D’s out.

      I agree with your rule, I often don’t wear much, but think I should add a little bit of something.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      The display may be for Bobby’s benefit (isn’t it about time he started looking for a newer, younger model)….she has been very youthful and flashy of late…..wish she would change that hairstyle!

    • Nancy says:

      How in God’s name am I going to get that vision out of my head?
      It’s ALMOST sad.

  45. Sha2000 says:

    Thank you all for your extremely kind words above, I could tell they were ALL heart felt, each and every comment really did bring me comfort! I wish I could comment on them all but because **each meant so much**, but right now I to say to Rhetorica, I am very sorry for your the loss of your dear friend too and I wish you comfort and peace and wonderful memories of her and Noreen, thank you for telling me you called your friend, it gave me a smile when I needed it.

    Have a good night everyone.

    • Sha2000 says:

      (Oh boy…I’m still emotional, my grammar is so messed-up in that last paragraph…sorry guys!)

  46. quincyil says:

    Another new series: Pregnant mothers in NYC.

    The lady who helped Betheny with baby classes with have her own show.

    • HD says:

      sigh…

      I saw scenes for that show. I will not be watching.

      However, I did not know this was the woman that had baby classes with Bethanny. Now that just seems a little fake. She helps Bethanny, she now has a show on Bravo. Not buying it. I feel this already had to be in the works and this woman helping Bethanny just kind of played into the scene that Bravo set up.

    • Adgirl says:

      I’m starting to feel like Bravo is some Appalachian holler with all of the
      inter-breeding of their shows.

  47. boston02127 says:

    20/20 Charlie Sheen interview.

    • HD says:

      I’m watching…

      He is in his own world. And you know what, even though I am watching this, the media is so damn vulture like, they should cease from giving him a platform. He seems to feed off of his delusions.

      He truly needs help but he does not see that. Most people can’t when they are caught in the whirlwind. Until he actually “sees” himself he will keep doing this and evenutally die from his behavior. Addiction and addiction related death is no respector of person. His road is one that so many of us know all too well. There is a starting point and a stopping point to everything. The beauty of addiction is that YOU can be in charge of when it stops. If you do not make that decision, death will.

      I pray he sees himself and does it SOON!

      • Adgirl says:

        My hubby and I were talking about this tonight.

        I’m not clear yet if CS is offering us “performance art” or if he is seriously delusional. Dr Drew called him manic.

        If he really thinks he is a superhuman Apollo with tiger blood then what’s next?
        Won’t he want to plan his superhuman exit from our boring small minded world so he can sit upon Mt Olympus with the other Gods?
        Blaze of glory. This won’t end well.

        • Adgirl says:

          FYI my ex developed a very serious addiction to meth and his behavior was quite delusional. After I forced him into treatment the psycho stuff stopped.

  48. Obsessed with RH says:

    I think that the point of Bethenny’s interaction with her in-laws was to show exactly what many of us go through or have gone through as a newlywed. However, the issue that so many are glossing over in prior posts is the fact that Jason needs to be involved in setting the boundaries because if not, Bethenny is the one saying no all the time and becomes the bitchy DIL. Jason’s responsibility as a husband isn’t just to placate his parents (or his wife) due to his guilt to please them or his guilt at them having lost their first born.

    I have had this problem with my husband who became a surrogate spouse to his mother (because his father is an alcoholic and she literally transferred all marital decisions etc to my husband) and before we got married we had to spend serious time (with a therapist) getting him to realize that saying “no” to his mother if him and I as a untied couple disagreed with one of her demands/requests, wasn’t going to kill her or didn’t make him a bad person, but that it just helped establish our role as a united/married couple.

    I think it is a great thing that this discussion happened and even though it may have appeared harsh to some viewers it is real because it isn’t roses and flowers and lollipops and roses when you meld families. If my struggles with my in laws were televised I would look worse than Jill Zarin I’m sure!

    • Zoey says:

      I totally agree with you. I’ve been there.

    • phcspenser says:

      i think people have been really hard on bethanny in this episode. I admit i read the blogs before i saw it and i was expecting to see really rude behavior. and we’ve all seen bethanny go off on people. She didnt do anything like that.
      I admit im a bethanny fan, but im also a living breathing thinking person lol.. i dont adore everything she says or does. I like her because shes so human , and so willing to let us in and see that.
      i live in PA. believe me, Jasons friends may have a twinge, but they get it. its her show. they already know what shes like by watching it whether theyve met her or not. I didnt even think she was looking down in anything. She made it very clear she came from another world and she does. shes NY all the way, LA, did jason NOT know this?
      who has he been sleeping with? as for his parents? they must have made 6 comments about seeing them weekly. If i were bethanny id have said much worse. Just because she wants a family it doesnt mean she wants to go to Pennsylvania every weekend. this is a woman who has a show, books, food, drinks, shes building a major brand name. she wants a home life but dear god, all you people out there who are putting her down because she wants to have her OWN family traditions are ridiculous. He didnt marry the girl down the block, he married Bethanny from NYC who was already a household name.
      He knew that. THEY knew that. Yes she wants a family, but not to be smothered. She was raised without that, has alot of baggage with family and shes doing pretty amazingly balancing all of it AND not telling them to back off!
      Jason was the one who was wrong. He shouldnt allow his parents to keep pushing. he should know that shes got her plate full. His reaction about not hurting his parents was sweet but ultimately will damage his marriage if he doesnt start putting bethanny and bryn first.
      i agree with the poster who said his parents have their own baggage, they certainly do. You can see that they literally LIVE for their son and now they want to LIVE for their son and his family. Bethanny doesnt need that. She raised herself for Gods sake. she’ll balk and die if smothered that way and Jason needs to cut the cord and stop feeling responsible to give his parents the life they missed with their other son.
      As for Bethanny being a brand? she never lied about having that as a motive, she was on martha stewart lol.. hello?
      i find it remarkable that she does all the things she does and continues to let us see it, nice, mean, snarky, bitchy, strong, tender , sweet. shes real. thats why i watch.

  49. Adgirl says:

    Gus Van Sant to Direct Kelsey Grammer in Starz’s ‘Boss’

    Oscar-nominated filmmaker Gus Van Sant (“Milk”) is set to direct Emmy-winning actor Kelsey Grammer in Starz’s hour-long political drama “Boss,” reports Deadline.
    Grammer will star as the mayor of Chicago who is diagnosed with a degenerative mental condition that only he and his doctor know about. Described as a modern-day “King Lear,” the series will explore political power in the Windy City.
    Farhad Safinia (“Apocalypto”) wrote the script on spec, with Grammer and his company giving their input.
    The “Frasier” star will exec produce with his new Grammnet Prods. partner Brian Sher, as well as Van Sant and Stella Stolper.
    The project was the subject of a Hollywood bidding war, and Starz emerged victorious by giving it an 8-episode, straight-to-series order. “Boss” represents Grammer’s first foray into drama, as well as his cable debut.
    Lionsgate Television is producing “Boss,” which was packaged by WME. Coincidentally, WME topper Ari Emanuel’s brother Rahm is now running for mayor of Chicago.
    Grammer’s last TV show was ABC’s short-lived series “Hank.” He has been producing CBS’ “Medium” for years, although the network confirmed on Thursday that it had canceled the supernatural drama.
    Safinia is currently adaptating Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World” for director Ridley Scott and star Leonardo DiCaprio, as well as Sony’s untitled Allen Counter project that has Will Smith attached to star and produce through his company Overbrook Entertainment.
    The writer is represented by Sher’s Category 5 management and production company, while WME represents Grammer and Van Sant.

    http://www.thewrap.com/deal-central/column-post/gus-van-sant-direct-kelsey-grammer-starzs-boss-22648

  50. Zoey says:

    Well I can tell by now these Miami housewives do nothing for me. Boooring! The Marysol woman says she’s had no plastic surgery….yeah, right. Just like her mother hasn’t! Andy says her mother is his favorite but I can hardly stand to look at her! She looks like that cat woman…ugh!

    • floridagirl88 says:

      I am going to take a pass on the Miami housewives. Maybe in a few years when it’s on DVD I can check it out of the library…

    • Amber...RealWife says:

      Oh My, I think quite the opposite. I thought tonight’s show was snarkier than last week, and went over the top on WWHL! LOL

      Two of them are at war and it seems both can be vicious, but I think the winner will always be age over beauty. She’s got more experience with winning wars.

  51. @tweatcyn says:

    Oh really AZ? you said “you have no business deriving conclusions to her behavior” Isn’t that what everyone else here has been doing, and does everyday about all the housewives? I was providing another perspective, as many people here do. Your reply was quite rude and unnecessary.

    • Nancy says:

      I agree!

    • Adgirl says:

      The only reason I am here is to pass judgement on reality show stars!

    • Cusi77 says:

      Tweatcyn_ Your post was really appreciated. Very enlightening, thank you for sharing!

      • phcspenser says:

        i liked it too. im not sure i believed it was completely on target re: bethanny but it certainly does address alot of the complexity of wanting and not wanting that kind of familial relationship. Anyway, she certainly has a right to post it.

  52. lillybee says:

    Re Jill Z claiming that she and Bethennny were only TV friends, this can not be said enough I HATE JILL ZARIN.

  53. sandytoes says:

    I have been a long time lurker and this my first time posting anywhere. It is late, long
    after midnight, so this will probably go unread but here goes anyway. I could not
    believe how rude and uncaring Bethanny was in this latest episode. I don’t buy the argument that, after all, she’s a big city girl and not accustomed to socializing with
    country folk. Puleeze!! Has she never in her life been in the company of people who
    happen not to share in her newly acquired lofty lifestyle? I always enjoyed her appearances in these HW series but methinks I’ve watched the last one. I ‘ve had some experience in this culture class issue. Sixty five years ago toward the end of world war 2, I was in Art school in Boston , my hometown, and I met and fell in love with a handsome Marine Sgt. We dated for almost a year and were talking about
    getting married so when he was discharged from the service he wanted me to go home with him for a visit to meet his family. I was young but my parents gave their
    permission. We had a long train ride with every car jammed with soldiers, sailors, marines who, if not lucky enough to have a seat, stood or sat in the aisles. As we traveled and made stops along the way, the train grew less crowded. We crossed the Ohio and arrived in Kentucky. After a few more hours, (by this time it was the second day of travelling and we were very tired),we finally arrived at our destination and pulled into this small train station. I had been to New York City before but never this far away from home. His mother and sister greeted us and between my thick Boston accent and their Kentucky drawl it was strange. His mother was very nice to me and made me feel welcome. His sister was another story. She and his brother wondered why my boyfriend brought a big city girl and even worse, a Yankee, sporting a dark tan that no self respecting southern girl would think of having. After our wedding and within two months, my husband decided we should go to the mountains to live and reopen his father’s business, which was a huge grocery, clothing and feed store. Bethenny wants to talk about culure shock? I found myself in a town of 3000, mostly miners and their families. Many non-miners lived up in the mountains and only came in town about once a month for supplies. No one wanted my help, telling me they would wait for my husband or his sister. I could have landed from Mars for all they knew. They never heard anyone speak the way I did. I was always respectful and smiling and before long they would greet me and call me by my name. Within a year, our daughter was born in the International Harvester miners’ hospital in the next town, where there was no deliverey room, and only six beds. The next morning our baby and I were driven home in the town’s only ambulance/hearse.
    We left after a couple of years and moved to central Ky. near my mother-in-law, a wonderful woman who lavished love on our children and taught them many things I didn’t have in my young life.The moral of this saga is no one is above another, ok maybe in wealth but not in kindness or honesty or ethics. I met people who lived without many material things but were hard working and kind, and who would help when you needed it.
    My sweet, handsome marine now has Alzheimers and I take care of him. Life was good
    to us. We have great kids, wonderful grandchildren who always spent summers with
    us when they were young. They adore their grandfather and love me, too. We also have great-grandchildren. We travelled far and wide and have had beautiful homes along the way. But I still remember the people up in the “hollers” in the mountains.
    This is my first and probably my last attempt at posting but I must tell you all how
    much I admire Lynn and Quincy and all the talented and articulate women who
    contribute so much to this blog. When it’s quiet here late at night, I read all the
    messages and enjoy them tremendously. So long for now.

    year our firsty child was born in a

    • sandytoes says:

      Sorry, this being my first posting, I wasn’t very neat.

      • Adgirl says:

        Sandy thanks for sharing that!!

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Welcome, that is a great story! Well written, thanks for sharing!!!

      • Kansas Girl says:

        Welcome, Sandy! That’s a lovely story. Please post again as the mood strikes. The joy here is hearing so many different thoughts from so many different people. We may not totally agree, but we all agree that we like Lynn’s place! Glad you’ve joined in!

      • LavaLady (formerly known as American Idiot) says:

        I enjoyed your post Sandy.

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Thank you for sharing your story with us. I enjoyed reading about your life and perspectives.

      The responsibility that you now have, although I am sure you would not want it to be any other way, is a very rough road filled with many hills and valleys.

      I wish you well and I salute you for doing this for your beloved husband.

  54. DJ Fruit Loops says:

    Off Topic
    Bravo continues record-ratings success earning its best February ever among total viewers with double-digit growth among all key demos

    So Much for that Boycott LOL
    Sorry Lynn you know how i am LOL

  55. DJ Fruit Loops says:

    Lynn Remember when Bethenny was searching for a new name for teh show ?
    I Suggested Hoppily Ever After i thought it was kind of cute and i think it did make her laugh or perhaps groan and roll her eyes but wouldnt it be fierce if she did take the name of the show from the suggestion

    • Sha2000 says:

      I think that’s great title but she’s selling her brand and I bet it might confuse some.

  56. @tweatcyn says:

    Ad Girl, you made me LOL with this comment “Bravo is some Appalachian holler with all of the inter-breeding of their shows”. Great analogy.

    Thanks to others for your nice comments.

    • firepainter says:

      Hey! I live in Appalachia (Virginia mountains) and find your analogy very similar to B making her toothless remarks about the folks in Jason’s hometown. Not very funny and kind of ignorant about an area you obviously know very little about. Twatcyn and Ad Girl – what areas are you from and what kind of stereotypical humor could we find to make fun of you? Hmmm?

  57. Jen says:

    I love B but she was beyond rude in this episode, you respect your husband and his family and where he is from, and you don’t talk to your in laws that critically- Jason was right they should have discussed before B blurted it out rudely to his parents….. She did better the second dinner….. But rude rude rude to town and that’s a lack of respect, what s snob she came off as in this episode.

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