IHJZ Bethenny Ever After / More NY Fun!

I Hate Jill Zarin  Bethenny Ever After/More New York Trip Fun!

Bethenny Ever After

Bethenny was named one of US Weekly’s 25 Most Stylish New Yorker’s, the party celebrating the honoree’s turned out to be a date night for Bethenny and Jason.

Preparing to go out for the evening can be challenging, most couples do have issues, as Bethenny pointed out, she certainly does have an unfair advantage.  Stylists to do her hair, make up and clothing choices isn’t something most people have at their disposal.  I was a little confused why she needed a hair stylist to put her hair in a pony tail, I would think she could take care of that on her own.  That wasn’t a great look on her, I much prefer Bethenny’s hair down.

They seemed to enjoy the party, dancing and laughing and Jason didn’t wear his 80’s jeans, so that was a plus!

The discussion about Jason’s parents continued well into Episode two and I think we all get it.  Most of us have similar issues with family.  Not all couples, but most couples have one or two sets of parents to pacify and finding the proper balance can be difficult.

Jason did a pretty good job of role playing as “Christian” the guy in the rooftop bar trying to pick up the lady at the bar ordering a cocktail.  He has clearly done that before, once or twice…. a week.  He’s smooth and has the lines down pat.

Unfortunately Bethenny couldn’t keep the role playing going, she had something on her mind and couldn’t ignore it. Unfortunately her need to talk about her feelings of guilt turned into a bit of a hysterical outburst.  Jason really is so easy-going, he does things for his wife that I’m sure he doesn’t want to do, attends parties and events he probably doesn’t feel like attending but he does it because he knows that it is important to Bethenny.

In return Bethenny feels like she should do anything that Jason wants to do, including visiting his parents on a regular basis.  Every week, every two weeks, three weeks, once a month?  What is the appropriate amount of time they should visit Jason’s parents?  Bethenny doesn’t want to start feeling like it is a chore to visit the Hoppy’s.

Should Jason feel free to take his daughter to visit is parents alone if Bethenny doesn’t want to or can’t get away one weekend?  It is complicated, because they are newlyweds,  it is sort of a mixed blessing that Bethenny doesn’t have parents that she has to worry about fitting into their busy schedule as well.

Bethenny’s assistant Julie was featured on this episode, first as she was given a promotion and a raise, ten percent increase in salary would absolutely come in handy as Julie told us she was moving into a new apartment.  The promotion part hadn’t actually been worked out, finding a title for someone who does it all is tough.

Later Bethenny surprised Julie with a makeover courtesy of the Rachel Ray Show.  Julie was appropriately excited as Rachel’s film crew surprised her at Bethenny’s apartment.  Bethenny and her baby nurse Gina were a bit inappropriate with the producer and sound technician but Julie made all the right excited sounds.

There is a very fine line that Bethenny walks between her work and her family.  I think that Rachel Ray gave her great advice.  “It is what it is” just go with it, don’t try to find balance because you’ll make yourself crazy, you can’t schedule family time or designated work time when you’re Bethenny Frankel.  Some weeks will be heavy on the work load and other weeks will allow more family time.  Just take it as it comes and you may not need the high priced therapist.

Julie’s makeover was incredible, she really did look amazing!  We learned in Julie’s blog that she was insistent that she not lose any length on her hair but they put some lovely highlights into her hair (or lowlights, I don’t know the difference).  They put her in a beautiful red dress and she looked striking walking out from behind the “before” photograph.

I love Gina the baby nurse, she is so natural in front of the cameras and even dared to come out of the bedroom in a towel while the cameras for two television shows were running.  Rachel Ray’s sound guy caught Gina’s eye but unfortunately he was spoken for.

Bethenny’s therapist seems to have more to say this season than last, it seemed as though last year he simply listened and asked a few questions, this year he is giving advice and even calling Bethenny out on a few things.  Of course, she didn’t take his advice, in fact I think she would do better to visit Rachel Ray once a week, she got better advice there.

There seemed to be a lot of “filler” scenes tonight, scenes showing the streets of New York, the buildings, the traffic with music in the background, then the music would change and we would see more scenes of New York.  I enjoy seeing the city but it got to be a bit too much.

Bethenny is getting a lot of criticism for her struggling to be able to do it all, but as she says, this is her life and she’s opening up her life to viewers.  This is how she feels, overwhelmed and at times frustrated.  I think it can help new mother’s who watch her show to feel like they’re not alone.  I don’t think Bethenny is all that different from working mother’s struggling to be able to do it all and do it all well.  I think many women can relate to Bethenny.

Bethenny will be on Watch What Happens Live tonight on Bravo at 11pm / 10pm Central.

 

As most of you know, I recently visited New York City and attended Cat Ommanney’s (Real Housewives of DC) book launch party.  I was able to get in a lot of sightseeing in a short amount of time.  Exhausting but so much fun, here is a little more of how I spent time in New York City.

More New York Trip Fun!

I made a side trip to Zarin Fabrics! 🙂

Standing out in front of the building, Bobby Zarin pulled up in his black SUV, parked illegally right in front of his store, pulled something out of the back of the SUV and took it inside the store.  He was in the store for maybe 30 seconds, came back out, hopped back into his SUV and took off again.  It all happened so fast I missed the chance to take a photo and admittedly too stunned to say hello, besides he looked like he was in a hurry!

I didn’t go inside of the store, the display in all of the windows are loaded with Jill Zarin’s pictures, Jill Zarin’s book and Jill Zarin’s “decorating tips” on faded cardboard signs.

All prior reports that I’ve read are correct, Zarin Fabrics is located in the middle of ChinaTown, certainly not the prettiest part of town, but in their defense, so are many, many other fabric stores.  Apparently in New York same type stores are all lumped together making it much easier for a consumer to check many stores for what they’re looking for.  It also benefits the consumer forcing these stores to compete in the pricing area.  I saw similar set up’s in New York with lighting stores, and appliance stores.  On the flip side, the competition must be really tough for the retailers.

This is Rockefeller Plaza, I’ve seen Andy Cohen film video blogs from his office and the view out his window is looking down onto this area.  Although I visited this area between 5pm and 6pm, no sign of Andy leaving for the day. 🙂


This is the view from my amazing home away from home while in NY

This is the East River





Not too far from there was Jill Zarin’s building.  I heard she was at a book signing in New Jersey while I visited:

This is St. Patrick’s Cathedral an amazingly beautiful and famous church in the heart of New York City.

I took this photo above.  The photo below is the exterior of the church, I didn’t take this photo:

I walked across the Brooklyn Bridge, having no idea where I was going just took the same stroll that Bethenny and Ramona took just last season on the Real Housewives of New York.  They met Alex and Simon on the other side, I didn’t. 🙂

I highly recommend walking across the Brooklyn Bridge if you’re ever in New York.  The views of the city and even the Statue of Liberty were breathtaking.  I got very lucky as the weather was perfect, almost 60 degrees and everyone I met was really nice!

A blurry shot of Times Square

I visited some outstanding restaurants from Chinese to Brazilian, Italian and had a great Lobster Roll in a quaint little restaurant in the West Village.  With so many different neighborhoods, all with a different “feel” to them, it is like visiting several cities in one trip.  My first trip to New York and I can definitely say that I Love New York!

Happy Fat Tuesday!

Check out Real City Housewife’s blog on The Real Housewives of OC, I literally laughed out loud!

http://realcityhousewife.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county-season-6-premier/#comments

Until Next Time…

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543 Responses to IHJZ Bethenny Ever After / More NY Fun!

  1. VincenzoNewYork says:

    awww, ty for the recapitulation!

    I am glad that you had a wonderful time in NY. You took so many beautiful pictures of the city, including someone’s apartment/condominium building. lol.
    I love walking on the Brooklyn Bridge!! It does have an amazing view of the city.

    • VincenzoNewYork says:

      You have to come back!! NY needs to be seen many many many times! I haven’t even seen the whole town yet;I live like an hour away too!

  2. HD says:

    Lynn the picture of you in front of Jill’s store is priceless! I love it!

    • MickeyMouth says:

      I laughed out loud at Lynn in front of Zarin Fabrics, lol.

      • Nancy says:

        One would think Zarin Fabric’s store front would be a “little more” professional. Look at the second story. Yicks!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I admit I freaked a bit when Bobby Zarin jumped out of his car right in front of me… I turned and walked away from the store like I was on a secret mission or something, I’m sure I looked like a really bad private detective! And wearing a trench coat too! haha

      • Bea from NJ (@sweeetbea on Twitter) says:

        LOL!!!!! too funny!!

      • Olivia says:

        Weren’t you carrying “the book” as Jill did when she reached the top of the Empire State Bldg?

        Is that the new “fashion accessory” now in NYC? Did you see Kelly running in traffic? Or one of their pets pooping all over the place?

        Fess up!

    • Cusi77 says:

      I agree that photo is priceless! My God, I needed that laugh so much! Thanks Lynn for sharing!

  3. Bea from NJ (@sweeetbea on Twitter) says:

    ROTFLMAOOOOO!!! I literally LOL at the Zarin Fabrics pic! What a hoot it would have been if Mrs. Jill Zarin was there too!

    Looks like you have a great time in the city — it is the best city of all cities. I walked the Brooklyn Bridge back in Sept. and it took the girls & I 2 hours to walk it (hehehe, too many picture opportunities.

    Next time you come to NYC, I’d love to meet up with you .. I’m right across the river in NJ. I know @Imajustsaying, @KateRodgers @latinabug_nj would totally love to do so too .. and maybe we can even get @BobbiNJ to join us! ;-D

  4. Maite says:

    Lynn, great blog!!! and pictures!!!

  5. HD says:

    I must admit that I am one that is critical of Bethanny. This season of BEA is not sitting well with me.

    The issue with the parents and visitation- I understood what everyone said about finding balance however that was negated when Jason wanted to take Bryn on his own. Of course, even that was unacceptable. As I said on the other blog, why is it acceptable for Bethanny to take Bryn to the beach for a girls weekend but oh noooooooooo Jason can’t take Bryn to his parents? I’m confused. Justification? There is none.

    Jason seems to love sports and whatnot. I bet he sure would like to be watching the game or going to a game instead of going to Rachael Ray or other events that typically (I said typically not always) men just do not get involved with. Cooking shows? How to unleash your skinny girl? Walking around Costco so B can sale books? I mean really. Let’s just be honest. Yes are husbands might do that a few times but alllll the time. Not so much. Jason seems to do whatever she would like, with no complaining and all she does is complain. I don’t get it. I honestly would just bend a little bit for that very reason. It is not keeping score it is called perferring someone above yourself. It is like Jason is invited into B’s world and he has to get in where he fits in.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I agree with you, Jason has bent over backwards but Bethenny did say that, she recognizes that he’s doing that all for her. That is why she is so upset, she wants to do things to please him but she doesn’t want to begin to resent him, I think she’s also concerned that eventually he will resent her for having to do all these things that he probably doesn’t want to do.

      I can see where it is an unbalanced marriage but so can Bethenny, at least she recognizes the problem and seems to be trying to find a way to fix it without being completely miserable.

      I think that as Bryn gets a bit older, Bethenny will be ok with Jason taking her to visit his parents without Bethenny, she said that the weekend he wanted to take Bryn was a free weekend for Bethenny too and she wanted to spend time with Jason and Bryn as a family. It is a tough situation but I hope she begins to lighten up a little bit about all of this. Certainly Jason didn’t need to be at the Rachel Ray show, it wasn’t clear if Bethenny *made* him go or if he wanted to be there to support Julie, or maybe all this TV stuff still fascinates him? It is still fairly new to him.

      Ok, you can tell me to stop defending Bethenny now…lol 🙂

      • HD says:

        LOL! I do want to preface this by saying I do like B, loved her on NYC on this show…well…we’ll see how it goes.

        I just don’t see why it has to be a place of resentment. This is a woman coming out with a book called “A Place of Yes.” We all do things for our spouse or significant other that we do not necessarily love but that is how you grow together. I sat and watched the Bulls play Sunday and I can care less but my husband who is born and raised in Chicago and bleeds anything Chicago Bulls loves it so I sat and watched with him for HIS enjoyment. I was not resentful. It just is what it is. Why would she even feel resentful? That is what a relationship is about. You don’t always get to do what YOU like.

        I am sure Jason mentioned the free weekend to try to make it sound better because all she does is complain about her time and not having enough of it so it would seem she would have jumped at that chance. Maybe Jason wanted to do something different. Big surprise. That does happen in relationships, B. You can do one thing and guess what your spouse can do another and wait…wait…the world keeps turning.

        • LavaLady says:

          I honestly think the solution is for Jason to occasionally visit his parents without Bethenny but with Bryn. Not saying it has to be once a month, once every two months, etc. But once in a while. I have done this my whole life. I married an only child who was and still is very close to his parents. I never had a problem with him visiting them without me. And when our babies were born, he took them as well. My parents passed away very early on in our marriage, so I knew that was and still is important for my children to have a relationship with their grandparents. I have a great relationship with them as well, but let’s face it, they are not my parents, and I don’t want to see them as much as my husband does. Bethenny will never want to spend as much time with her in laws as Jason does, and I feel that is normal. But she should let him go and take the baby. Just my opinion.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I haven’t watched the new season and from what I have seen from the blogs I don’t want to.

            Bethanny is starting to annoy me. Bitch…whine…complain…oh woe is me…blah blah blah.

            Her not allowing Jason to take Bryn to see his parents is a control issue- and it preface of just how difficult she is going to be with “visitation” if heaven forbid her and Jason get divorced.

            I get that she has “mommy” and “daddy” issues that would have prevented her parents from being in Bryn’s life so it makes me angry that she would be small and selfish enough to limit Bryn’s contact and involvement with two grandparents who obviously love their grand child.

            I see my MIL a few times a week and she is EXACTLY like the mother on Everyone Loves Raymond- and as much as she grates on my nerves sometimes, I would NEVER deny her or my children each others company.

            Bethany needs to learn that is not all about Bethany all of the time- and sometimes to put other people first.

            • CathyOP says:

              I agree with you that it is a control issue. It’s about Bethenny controlling every aspect of their lives and most certainly her child’s.

              She’s got to loosen up. It’s destructive behavior even if she thinks it makes her feel better to be in control. It’s actually eating away at the good things in her life.

              I know someone that reminds me of Bethenny. She’s a lovely person. Good to her core. Funny. Sometimes unfunny in her snobbery, but at heart a very kind person. And she drives herself and everyone around her crazy with everything being an issue of her controlling her surroundings and the most important people in her life.

        • 2Stupid says:

          I was getting a little miffed at Bethenny last night too. However, when Jason admitted that he did not think it was normal that Bethenny had no relation with her family, I thing that is the crux of the problem. Bethenny’s therapist was right about there being no clear set rules of normal. I thing men have tunnel vision on that subject especially when they have a really close realtionship to their mother. They think it is healthy natural and everyone should be that close. I am not saying it is not healthy, but trust me everyone is not that close to their parents. I think women tend to be very polar when it comes to moms, either like sisters, or not close at all. I feel like Lucy from Peanuts- Doctor is In!

      • tootsie says:

        I agree with you 100% Lynne. Bethenny has been horribly damaged in so many ways due to her childhood. There is much that tortures her. Hopefully she will overcome it in time. Jason is just perfect for her, he is so in touch with her feelings and stands his ground.

    • Olivia says:

      So true. Jason is not Simon van Kampen who would attend the opening of an envelope. His “support and devotion” is not finite in that he is not out to make a name for himself.

      Taking the camera off Jason would not cause him to melt. We should all have a Jason in our lives.

  6. Olivia says:

    (I brought this over from the previous post.)

    I may be “going off the reservation” here, but this is how I see it:

    Bethenny is torn between Jason’s needs and those of her “career”. Including his parents into the equation is just not on her radar. Lovely as they are, they are not her “cup of tea”. Nothing wrong with them, just not people she chooses to “hang out” with.

    Her time is scheduled for “step and repeats”, mag covers, tv appearances, public appearances in front of adoring audiences, and as we saw last night, the possibility of hosting a show along the same lines as Rachel Ray. Or perhaps Chelsea Handler?

    Either way, the time to schedule visits with Jason’s parents makes her feel “guilty”. They are not significant to her goals. She knows he has a point and a vested interest in them and she is unable to approach her reluctance to admit to the actual reason for her hesitation. They just don’t fit the mold. The goal. The longrange plan that is the key to her “success”.

    This is what torments her. Not his unreasonableness about scheduling the time with them but her aversion to play the “family game” if it does not include Julie or Gina or whoever is deemed “family” this week.

    She is driven to be a “star” and the Hoppy’s are just not capable of making that happen. Whether Jason was able to see that upfront is a different story. I kind of think that he bought into this constant refrain about her wanting a “family” as much as the rest of us but could not have envisioned the response that we are witnessing now.

    She has nothing against his parents they just don’t fit into her plans. Which is why she has spent the last few weeks discussing the imposition of back and forth visitations. It appears that these people only want some time with their son and his family. She seems to want to even limit holiday time.

    Whether we care to admit it or not, Bethenny is far more driven by the idea of success.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I have to disagree with one portion of that, I don’t think that Bethenny is ONLY thinking of her career and Jason’s parents won’t help her to reach her career goals.

      I think Bethenny can see the value of Grandparents in her daughter’s life, I think she wants them to be a part of Bryn’s upbringing, she wants Bryn to have all of the things that she didn’t have, including loving grandparents. I also think that she genuinely likes Jason’s parents and can see how wonderful they are with Bryn.

      While Bethenny is career driven, she still sees the value of family, especially now that she is a mother.

      • Olivia says:

        What I meant to convey was that spending time with Jason’s parents will not add much to her career goals. Cramming umpteen projects into her life leaves little time to plan visits.

        I don’t believe that she does not like them, only that they are not all that necessary for her consider. It isn’t a question of how we feel, but how Jason feels when this issue is raised. It is obvious that it has a place of importance in his life and he is living with her resistance.

        And though she may commiserate with him up to a point, she is not willing to oblige him. This is what produces her “guilt” because his request is not that much out of order.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          I agree, Jason should have some say in how they spend their free weekends, after all that he does for her career, if he requests they spend a weekend with his folks, it seems like the least she could do. That said, I understand her fear of it becoming a “chore” and dreading visits if they become too frequent. She is being honest and can’t seem to hide her feelings about this touchy subject.

          I hope they find a balance there. So glad you’re back Olivia! xoxo

          • quincyil says:

            I haven’t had time to see the show yet, but Bethenny has spent almost 40 years with herself as the center of her own attention. It takes time to adjust to having a family after decades making sure Bethenny comes first.

          • CathyOP says:

            You can make something a chore by being unreasonably resistant, too. I mean she’s turning it into a dreaded obligation by constantly thinking of it that way.

            She’s indulging in it, wallowing in it, stewing and marinating in it.

            It’s a big girl concept of acceptance and she can’t think of her own example as the “normal” way to be even if there is no real “normal”. It isn’t normal to fret over this the way she does and it is a contradiction to craving family the way she did before she found Jason.

            • Di says:

              I am surprised at how tough many are being on Bethenny. I see it totally differently.

              I don’t think Bethenny is wallowing or being self-centered. I think she is focusing on her life with her family, which includes her husband and her daughter. Jason’s parents are extended family. They don’t live next door. Jason chose to move hours away and met Bethenny in NYC, not a tiny town in Pennsylvania, so it totally makes sense to me that she doesn’t want to spend every other weekend driving there.

              Of course his parents are lovely and sweet, but why should she have to give up her precious time with her daughter when she’s not working? She should have to drive to them every 2-3 weekends, or alternatively miss out on the weekend with her hubby and daughter all together so they can go without her? I don’t think so. I totally get where she’s coming from. If they lived down the street or a half hour away it would be a different story, but they don’t. Jason moved away from his parents. Unfortunately, I think they have an unhealthy attachment because of the loss of the son/brother. He’s almost 40, with a new wife and baby, and he chose to move to NYC prior to that. Maybe he’s the one who is a little confused. He should have stayed in his small town and met a nice girl there if he expected his wife to be happy there so very frequently.

              • cdnfillie58 says:

                Sorry Di, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Jason forcing Bethenny to see his parents more often than she’s comfortable with. What I have heard is her very vocal opinion of what she will not be made to do against her will. It doesn’t sound like she is even willing to compromise…pretty selfish in my opinion.

  7. RHONY will premiere on Thursday April 7 at 10 PM.
    ****************************************************************************

    The apples of our eye, The Real Housewives of New York City, are coming back to us!

    The Manhattan (and Brooklyn) ladies will premiere on Thursday, April 7, at 10/9c.

    We know you’ve been waiting patiently, but the ladies will finally return to you (and Thursdays) this season, with bushels (too much?) of delightful drama. From the gang’s glamorous jaunt to Morocco, to our already-favorite dig “thug in a cocktail dress” (delivered by the ultimate messenger, Alex McCord), to the Countess finding love again, the new season will definitely be worth the wait.

    Also amping up the action this go-round will be new ‘Wife, Cindy Barshop. Cindy’s no stranger to baring all — she’s known for her Completely Bare hair removal spas. We’ve even got a sneak peek of her palatial pad to get you acquainted.

    Check out the sneak preview below, and see what the ‘Wives have to say in our Tweet Tracker.

    The apples of our eye, The Real Housewives of New York City, are coming back to us!

    The Manhattan (and Brooklyn) ladies will premiere on Thursday, April 7, at 10/9c.

    We know you’ve been waiting patiently, but the ladies will finally return to you (and Thursdays) this season, with bushels (too much?) of delightful drama. From the gang’s glamorous jaunt to Morocco, to our already-favorite dig “thug in a cocktail dress” (delivered by the ultimate messenger, Alex McCord), to the Countess finding love again, the new season will definitely be worth the wait.

    Also amping up the action this go-round will be new ‘Wife, Cindy Barshop. Cindy’s no stranger to baring all — she’s known for her Completely Bare hair removal spas. We’ve even got a sneak peek of her palatial pad to get you acquainted.

    Check out the sneak preview below, and see what the ‘Wives have to say in our Tweet Tracker.

    http://www.bravotv.com/blogs/the-dish/bravotvcom-exclusive-the-real-housewives-of-nyc-return-april-7th

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Thanks ICSTT 🙂 Glad they finally chose a date! Let’s hope they stick to this one!

      • Olivia says:

        The question is: why are we so obsessed with these people?

        I keep promising myself to just ignore the whole thing since I find it so phony but like Al Pacino said: “they just keep pulling me back”.

        I think I might need an intervention.

      • I was worried that it might not come back at all. A couple of weeks ago, I said I wasn’t going to watch it but I will give it a try.

        • LavaLady says:

          I have say the previews are full of intrigue. I guess Sonia is the thug in a cocktail dress.

          • Olivia says:

            Or the Slut of Second Avenue. Jaybus, what a mouth on that one!

            Got a feeling we are all going to dislike Slutty Sonja by the end of the day.

            • LavaLady says:

              Yea, what is going on with that. I don’t remember the NY housewives using language that had to be “beeped out” At least not as much as the other franchises.

    • Amber...RealWife says:

      First impressions…

      Same old Jill, more haggard looking. LuMan, nastier than before, as her insults are no longer veiled. Kelly still nuts but more aggressively so. Ramona still drinking the Pinot and loving it. Alex found her voice and everyone is not liking it. Sonja has become super sexualized. New girl, doesn’t know her place.

  8. VincenzoNewYork says:

    I have an old Jewish lady in my heart; hence the fascination with the Jews and their culture. I would like to state that family is a very important apsect in our lives, and I feel that Bethenny needs to limit her multiple career endeavors and focus on the important ones. I feel that Brynn deserves to have a relationship with her grandparents;they seem like nice people from what I have read. Bethenny needs to find a better thereapist; I would advise her to build a stable family and support her husband’s wishes as well. That does not mean that her desires are ignored or come second. They need to compromise. Sometimes women may have to work less in order to raise a family on their own. It is difficult to be a driven career woman and maintain a close-knit family. It is very challenging and I am not certain how many women can do both at the same time with equal intensity. If they could; I’m sure burnout would be a major consequence of living a such high paced life-style. Bethenny looks like she is in a burnout phase-she does not look healthy.
    We can do it all, but not all at once.

    She better also pay more attention to her husband’s own needs, otherwise he may pick up and leave her.
    I really think she used him just to have a ‘husband’ and a baby, and that is all. She has severe issues that need to be the primary focus as of now. Everyone deserves success, but damaging your health and disregarding other people’s needs are quite frankly, very selfish. I also feel that it is very supercilious of her to disregard her in-laws’ wishes because they don’t fit into the life plan that is trying to follow. Visiting once a month for 2 days I feel is neccessary, and not too much of a hassle. This woman needs to respect her mother in law, and respect her husband’s upbringing.

    I really don’t know why y’all loathe Jill Zarin so very much. I think Ms. Frankel’s behavior is far more reprehensible then Jill’s; I suppose her true nature is finally on dispaly for the whole world to see. We also have no idea what Bethenny is capable of in ‘attack’ mode, I’m sure she will behave in far more vicous ways than Jill could ever muster.

    • LavaLady says:

      “I really think she used him just to have a husband and baby, and that is all”

      I disagree with you, Vin, in regard to this statement. I think Bethenny and Jason met, fell in love, got married, and had a baby. I really don’t think either of them “used” the other. I believe they are in love, and that they love each other and their baby as well. They are struggling now, adjusting to their new life, but truthfully, describing Bethenny as “using” Jason, is, imho, a little harsh and severe.

      • VincenzoNewYork says:

        I know I can be harsh…lol, it’s okay if you disagree.

        • LavaLady says:

          Not really concerned about the “harsh words” Vin. I just am surprised that you really, truthfully feel Bethenny “used” Jason to get the husband and baby she always wanted. That means you think Bethenny does not love Jason. And I do disagree with that. They are different in some ways, but I do think they are in love.

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          Vincenzo, how old are you? Are you a student? In your picture dear, you look like a college student to me. I’m sorry that you do not like Bethenny. It’s okay. It’s just that the way you write, you do not sound like a young person at all.

          If Jill isn’t paying you she should be. JMHO.

          • VincenzoNewYork says:

            I am 24. Thank you for the compliments on my writing. I read many books and I just emulate what I’ve read. I like to write as if I am writing a term paper or an essay in order to sustain those necessary skills for graduate school. lol

        • 2Stupid says:

          Not to be personal, Vin have you ever been married? Other that financial strains, family is the biggest struggle a family can have. This is why holdiday can be very stressful for many couples. Our tradition is to have a bid Christmas Eve dinner. My husband’s family likes to go to early mass and open gifts, no dinner on Christmas Eve or Christmas. I feel I get robbed or have schedule around. My family comes in from out of town, and is always more than welcoming of my husband’s family to celebrate any occasion with us. My husband’s family would rather eat poison than have someone other than family at a special event. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT to find a happy medium. ITA that Behenny seems to not be very flexible, but she went from having no one in her life to 2 immediate family members and an extended family. Just throwing it out there.

          • VincenzoNewYork says:

            aww I am sorry that you have a rough situation to deal with. It’s something that I cannot relate to at the moment. At the moment, I can’t offer any suitable advice; it is not my field of expetise yet. I do wish that his family would change and be more open to your traditions, especially since you seem to have nice ones to share with his family.

            • Di says:

              I didn’t think 2Stupid was looking for advice. I thought she was trying to share a different perspective with you. At least that’s how I read it.

      • HD says:

        “I really don’t know why y’all loathe Jill Zarin so very much.”

        Really? I could wax poetically about all the horrible things but I do not have the time. Jill is no girl scout. There is a list in the archives of all her dirty deeds none of which make her a shining star in my eyes.

        • Sha2000 says:

          “I have an old Jewish lady in my heart; hence the fascination with the Jews and their culture.”

          Very sweet, but you do know the old Jewish lady is the same as an old Italian lady (a giudicare dal tuo nome sto assumendo Italiano?), the only difference is one makes meatballs & one makes matzo balls.

          • VincenzoNewYork says:

            si, certamente che sono Italiano. Mi piacciono gli ebrei.
            Yes, certainly that I am Italian. The jews are pleasing to me..or I like the jews. lol.

            • Sha2000 says:

              Lol! My Italian is very limited but I like Google translator!

              or

              Il mio italiano è molto limitato, ma mi piace traduttore di Google!

              • VincenzoNewYork says:

                funziona bene! it works well!

                • Sha2000 says:

                  Except when you do English to Japanese (I had to translate my sympathy to a card for my friends family) then it’s okay, because I re-translated back to English & it was off a bit. I’ve done Arabic & emailed my husband & he was amazed :).
                  I should have kept learning Italian; I remember stopping at a light & thinking il semaforo è rosso …it was literally the first thought in my head before English, so it was starting to stick, but I gave it up because it just was another expense to pay for. I love Italian language & the country, maybe I should take it up again?

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Bethenny and Jason are not kids – the window for children (at least for Bethenny was uncomfortably slim) – they both got what they wanted and I don’t see anyone using anyone. In fact, Jason got more out of the deal – a grandchild for his parents, a wife who is currently a money making machine (nest egg for the future) and a partner who is trying to make it all work.
        Jill was using Bethenny – she was almost human when she was befriending/mothering Bethenny – then she reverted to type – mean, calculating, actively trying to destroy both Betenny’s and Alex/Simon’s livelihoods. Jill’s behavior and not her ethnic/cultural background is the problem. When you live a life full of attached strings you end up a tangled mess of your own design.

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        I agree totally~I believe that she’s taking on too much now but I believe she loves Jason & Bryn & her new family. I don’t understand the need to work so much with what seems like a lot of money to us. I don’t know how much she makes for her show, it just seem like she making a great deal now.
        Does anyone know how much she’s bringing in now with all her stuff she has, books & drinks & dvd’s?

    • VincenzoNewYork says:

      As of now, I do not have enough information or facts to prove my viewpoint regarding the Jill/Bethenny situation.

      I do not hate Bethenny..I just find her personality to be annoying for me to watch and digest for an entire hour. It is never my intention to cause a pandemonium on a blog!! I am trying to stimulate people to see the other viewpoint of the situation.

      I just would like people to view Bethenny’s behavior and try to see how she is presening herself. I would love to see Bethenny develop healthier lifestyle because I would never hope that she self-destructs like other ‘celebrities.’ I hope she and Jason develop and have a fruitful and joyful marriage. She deserves that. I hope that she is able to see the fruition of all of her dreams, desires, goals and her hardwork; she is worthy of success.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Vince – your viewpoint is welcomed here and you can change it any time! Having more information to make an educated and more informed decision is a life long skill and watching you develop that is refreshing.

      • BlueSky_Forever says:

        Forgot your notes? Just kidding. Most of us on this blog have been here for longer than I care to admit and have watched RHOC, RHONY (every season) & RHOBH…oh yeah & that gangsta RHONJ. So … I don’t need any research or notes, it just flows from my brain to my fingertips and onto the screen.

        I wish I could say it like HD in her video, by the way you are an incredible talent HD!!! You should be writing for Nikki Manaj,
        Drake, Kanye etc. OK, my son listens to them all the time!!

        Jill & Bethenny were the popular girls in the beginning. If anything, Jill used Bethenny more. I saw them together all over the place…even on Chelsea Handler. So you think Jill would have gotten all those tv appearances on her own? Remember, it was Bethenny who delivered the zany zingers. Jill on her own is b-o-r-i-n-g. Ramona, Lulu, et al did not get that many tv appearances – and still don’t.

        I’m not saying that Bethenny doesn’t have lots of rough edges & warts. She does. However, Jill got very angry at Bethenny, and then she tried to ruin her. Please tell me you find making up fake book reviews (good for your book) and bad reviews (for Bethenny & Alex/Simon) okay. And there is so much more…we saw how Jill saved a voice mail, yes a lousy voice mail! for months & then thought “gotcha” this will bring down B. How about the way Jill avoided B, at every event/party, Jill crying “I’m done!” (re friendship between Jill & B) all because….wait for it…..Bethenny got the spin-off show without Jill.

        You have a right to your opinion. Neither one of these women are saints – far far from it. But when you say “I think Jill lashed out last year-which she is responsible for; however,Bethenny’s time will come.” as you did down thread it makes me wonder. You also did say “I hope that she is able to see the fruition of all of her dreams, desires, goals and her hardwork; she is worthy of success.” up above. So….things that make me go hmmm.

        After the 1st episode I was (& still am) upset with B. & how she treated Jason’s parents & their town. I’m not a blind B fan. Just please provide more real facts for what you say. You seem to be wanting Bethenny to get her comeuppance but then you also wish her success. Grad school is a really good place to be Vincenzo, wish you lots of success. Follow your heart.

        • VincenzoNewYork says:

          @blue sky
          The statement above was an attempt to shift and recant some of my negative staments about Bethenny above and below by entries. You can find someone intolerable, but at the same time you can wish them the best in life. There is no reason to be envious of her. Just as a reiteration, I do not have enough evidence to support my viewpoint because I do not pay enough attention to Bethenny to recall some of her antics.

          • BlueSky_Forever says:

            Sorry to say that if I find someone intolerable, then I just stay away from them. It is hard to wish someone with bad intentions “to do well.” In my head, I ask God to help them help themselves to be a better person. As an imperfect being it is hard to change my true feelings.

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          Vincenzo, I like your spirit too. Your viewpoint keeps reminding me that Jill may have a glimmer of really being nice…sometimes.

          Sorry if I was too hard on you kid. Just wait until you get into grad school…perhaps defending a thesis someday.

          ; D

      • Amber...RealWife says:

        Give it up Vinny, you’re not preaching to the choir, or in your case members of the synagogue that defend their own regardless of the transgressions committed. Alot of people here love Bethenny and dislike/can’t stand/abhor/hate JillZarin. You could never cause a pandemonium as no one cares how great Jill may be, because we know how inherently bad she is. Her track record proved it, not just with the biggest target which was Bethenny, but also Ramona, Simon, Alex, the VanCampen kids, Sonja etc. Anyone who slighted her, or bested her or is getting more attention will be taken down a peg or two. She’ll slam their products and reputations with rumors or lies, all the while trying to take away their livelihood. No Vin, no pandemonium, just a snort, snicker or shake of the head as we smile at your altruism.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I don’t think the comparison of Jill and Bethany stem from last season of RHONY.

      When it first started, I was ready to be on Team Jill but as more of the story unfolded, it became clear who was to blame and what their agenda was.

      Jill Zarin was jealous and resentful and it showed.

      I don’t think anyone has doubted Jill’s ability as a mother, what I challenge and resent is her belief that she can be everybody’s mother- or at minimum the type of mother that all of us should aspire to be. She’s wrong- and needs to check herself.

      I could NEVER read her book for many reasons- and Jill should stop trying to flog it. Not only is it pathetic, needy and desperate- it’s now exploitative of a very real issue that she has christened herself as some sort of expert in. She’s not. How could anyone take it seriously when she can’t even receive and except her own advise. It only proves that she is a hypocrite..

      Bethany is no saint but I’d take her over a Jill Zarin any day.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Vincenzo said: “I really think she used him just to have a ‘husband’ and a baby, and that is all. ”

      That was brutal and uncalled for, I don’t think anyone believes that for a minute.

      You don’t know why we loathe Jill Zarin? Did you watch the show last season? Did you watch her admit to trying to sabotage Bethenny’s show? Hang up on Bethenny? Allow Luann to eavesdrop on their phone conversation? Have you read all about her Amazon.com antics? Did you see her post on Twitter that Bethenny gave birth to a baby boy hours before Bethenny gave birth to a baby girl? I could go on for days….

      Vincenzo, have you seen the way Jill treats Bobby??? We never see Jill talking things through with Bobby the way Bethenny did with Jason. Bethenny is TRYING to ensure Jason is happy in this marriage. She recognizes that it is all about her and wants to fix that.

      • VincenzoNewYork says:

        I really feel that she trapped him; she was lucky to find a husband that she can command and easily manipulate. Her clock was ticking quickly and she didn’t need to try for months. Was it was brutal ? yes, that could be a possibilty. Was it uncalled for? I don’t think so; I am expressing my opinion and that is my perception of Bethenny.

        • VincenzoNewYork says:

          As for Jill situation, I see it from her viewpoint. There is alot between them that we do not know and will never know. I think Jill means well, and I feel that she is cute. She was defending her right; she doesn’t handle rejection well, and she ushered a strong retaliation. I am willing to overlook Jill’s negative behavior because I have always liked her. Is her marriage perfect with Bobby? No, but we are only seeing glimpses of their relationship. He may be a taciturn man without an opinion.

          If people don’t like my statements about Bethenny, then so be it. It boils down to who I like better, and that is Jill. What can I say at this point; I do not have the evidence to support my viewpoint. I go by what I feel; and I just love Jill over Bethenny;it is void of all logic or reasoning.

          I think people are not used to an extreme opposing viewpoint of both Bethenny and Jill. I seldom critcize people for some of the nasty things they write about Jill; and there are many; some are quite ‘catty.’

          At this point, I feel that it is necessary for me to cease all future commentary regarding Jill during the RHONY season. I will do the same with Bethenny’s show; it is a waste of time for me to discuss a person that I barely even watch on television.

          • VincenzoNewYork says:

            I do love this blog, and I will return after the season of RHONYC. I’ll comment during RHONJ and subsequent seasons.

            talk to all of you later!
            vinny

            • Rabble Rouser says:

              Couldn’t you talk about RHONY sans Jill- I mean Krazy Kelly could be a whole dissertation.

              Her Scary Island ranting is very simalar to what we are witnessing with Charlie Sheen and pretty much ever ‘expert’ out there says he either manic- hyper manic- or bi-polar.

        • PJ says:

          Jason is not trapped that’s ridiculous. Jason is a strong man who is perfectly able to speak his mind. It’s obvious that there is a lot of love between them. Bethenny didn’t HAVE to marry Jason if all she wanted was a baby she had the baby, she could have stayed single. I find what you said to be completely offensive.

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        I agree totally Lynn~so tired of people lying all the time as well.
        Some people are in complete denial..:)xxoo

    • CathyOP says:

      Your view of Bethenny is very clouded by your preference for Jill and what you perceive to be Jill’s values and attributes. You state how much family means to you and the Jewish culture and yet you only recognize one kind of family dynamic and can’t see that families all over have to work out the conflicts in Bethenny’s situation.

      I think the things you say about Bethenny are presumptous and ridulously judgmental.

      Some of the things that bother us about Jill are not the projection and opining you do about Bethenny but provable bad behavior. It’s that simple, really.

    • Cusi77 says:

      Thank you for posting JILL ZARIN, finally you got your own voice on this board… GOT’YA!

    • Di says:

      I couldn’t disagree with you more V. I find it so interesting how forgiving you are of Jill’s flaws, but the claws really come out with Bethenny.

      I think B is a self-made, self-aware, strong woman who is doing a great job at managing her career and her roles as mother and wife. Her in-laws are not her top priority, nor should they be in my opinion. And let’s just say, Jill isn’t, I guess that’s as nice as I can put that one! 😉

      Guess we all have our differing opinions, which is really what it all boils down to (no matter how much psycho-analysis we perform on these reality “stars”) 🙂

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        I think people are being hard on Vincenzo here, I understand what he is saying regarding Bethenny “using” Jason to get a husband and child.
        In previous seasons, Bethenny’s main focus was finding a willing man and having a baby. This does not mean that she does not love Jason, but just that it was Bethenny’s mission in life to tie the knot and become a mom.
        If Jason 1.0 would have been willing, Bethenny would have married him.
        Don’t you remember her and her friend agreeing to marry each other if neither found someone else?
        It is not unusual for women of Bethenny’s age to “settle” or to talk themselves into “loving” someone enough to get what they want.
        I find it surprising that some on here willing to jump on another poster simply for expressing an opinion.
        I don not see Bethenny and Jason as some great “love story”, more like something that works for both of them, but I do see alot of little differences that my end up as major issues as their relationship grows.

        • Di says:

          I do remember, and I do not think she was serious about marrying her friend. I don’t believe I am jumping on V. I am responding to what he has posted. No, I do not think
          B has it in her to settle. I think she fell in love with Jason and to me it shows. Show me a couple in love that doesn’t have differences. That’s life.

          • BambiBaby22 says:

            Are you willing to recall Bethenny’s desperation for a man and and a baby?
            Do you remember how painful her “let’s talk about it later” dinner was with Jason 1.0?
            I just don’t understand how posters on here will get villified for uttering anything against Bethenny.
            She claims to be an “every” girl, yet when she was in an “every” town, she was rude and condescending. “Every” girls don’t twitter simply to push the brand (hanes, drugstore.com) she is paid to push.

            • Di says:

              Bambi,
              I didn’t see it as desperation. It’s not that I’m not “willing” to recall it, that’s truly not how I saw it. Women in their 30’s, especially approaching 40, may often wonder if they’re going to find the right one and have a family. Then, I think she did. That’s how I saw it. Maybe we all see things through our own filters? Perhaps we should agree to disagree?

            • Di says:

              …and I don’t vilify anyone for posting negative about Bethenny. Plenty of posters here, especially since the new season was promoted, have posted many negative things about B and I’ve never responded.

              I just didn’t like what I perceived as the harsh sexist comments coming from V re taking care of her man, trapping, etc. But I truly think I responded respectfully. I’m not trying to fight anyone, simply trying to express a view from someone who has walked in the shoes of a 30+ yr old career woman, who found her soulmate and wanted to immediately have a kid–much like Bethenny (or her character as Olivia would say :))

              Not trying to beat anyone up here, so I don’t think there’s a need to fight for V’s honor. He can take it up with me if he has a problem with my postings.

              • BambiBaby22 says:

                Di, I apologize, I did not mean that you were getting upset about what V posted, just posters in general. Even Lynne told V that his comment about B using Jason was “uncalled” for.
                I was surprised that came from the person who owns the blog. I thought the only rule was to be respectful to each other, but any of the characters discussed are fair game.
                I hate to think expressing an opinion opposite of the majority on this board will get one reprimanded.
                I think perhaps what I am feeling is that Behthenny was fun to watch as a single lady in the big city, but it is a bit painful watching her acting the same way in a totally different life situation.

  9. Olivia says:

    I don’t think anyone here actually “hates” Jill Zarin. But her offstage antics are far more interesting than her onscreen appearances in that she has managed to be even more obnoxious in her quest for fame than ever realized.

    When she posed on Amazon under a pseudonom that essentially praised herself than took on the reviewer by referring to her as an “anti Semite” just for finding fault with some of the passages, it just reinforced the image she gave off on the show.

    The more she inserted herself into the dialogue via Twitter and Facebook, the more she dug her own hole. She began to actively illustrate that she was indeed a PIA.

    • VincenzoNewYork says:

      I think Jill was in ‘attack’ mode last year.
      I do love her book; however there are some parts I do not agree with. I think she needs to learn how handle criticism in a better manner. I am not saying that she is an angel, but I think that she is generally a sweetheart when she is in a decent mood.

      • Olivia says:

        Sigh.

        To each his own I guess.

      • Louisadelmar says:

        We’re all sweethearts when we’re in a decent mood. Its how we behave when we’re in a bad mood that tells who we really are.

        • Noreen says:

          Well said! I can understand that B is not everyone’s cup of tea, but she does not lie, cheat, make up false identities, threaten people’s pets, try to sabotage people’s careers,… do I need to go on. I can’t blame that kind of bahavior on a bad mood; that is just total lack of character on Ms. Zarin’s part.

        • HD says:

          Amen! You said that right there!

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          amen sistah/brothah!(can’t tell from your name!)

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of spill off from Jill’s ‘bad mood’.

        I think Jill does the Jewish people a disservice especially when she is so caviler with her accusations of a reviewer being an anti-Semite because they didn’t like her book; in the same manner as she accuses anyone remotely critical of her of being a bully. Jill thinks she is the center of everyone’s universe.

        • Amber...RealWife says:

          So isn’t Jill essentially pulling the “race card” everytime she yells “anti-semitism”? It seems to be a go to cry for the bad reviews of “the book”. She refuses to see that the good advice was world known, espoused, reheated and served by every mother of every nationality. Nope, she can’t see it. Nor that the “bad” advice was akin to gold-digging101 and pay for play, but that the reviewers were anti-semitic! Anything to make a buck! Oh oh, LOL, was I being anti-semitic as well?

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            LOL- you are not just anti-Semitic you are also ‘bully’- at least in Jill’s mind.

            I don’t know why thinks she is the beacon of all things Jewish. To smite her, isn’t a commentary of the Jewish race/religion.

            If I wanted to read an uplifting book about the Jewish people, I would pick Chicken Soup for the Jewish Soul.

            From the passages of JZ’s book, that I have read there is nothing uniquely Jewish that is shared other than perhaps some very negative stereotypes.

    • LavaLady says:

      What made me “hate” Jill Zarin, the breaking point so to speak, for me at least, was when she incorrectly announced on her facebook that Bethenny had a baby boy. IDK why, but that really made me see her in a whole new light. She didn’t check to see if the info was correct, she didn’t wait until the family had made the announcement, she heard something, or Ally read something, and the first thing she did was run to her facebook and post it. Why? So she could be seen as the person who was in the know, so she could bring more attention to herself? I was not reading this board at the time, but found it soon afterward.

      • VincenzoNewYork says:

        I can see that, but Bethenny is practically doing similar things.
        Jill and Bethenny are very similar people. They both crave the spotlight and want to be famous.

        • LavaLady says:

          “Bethenny is practically doing somilar thing”

          Not sure what you mean here. Bethenny never speaks in interviews of Jill, or says the minumum, “We are not friends” Jill is the one who goes on and on recently, declaring “it was a TV friendship”, etc. Can you clarify what you mean, Vin?

          • LavaLady says:

            sorry going to fast “similar things”

            • VincenzoNewYork says:

              They both crave fame and the desire to be known. Bethenny treated her wedding planner in such an awful manner,that I was immediately turned off by her presence on my TV screen. She blamed hormones…um, she was always like that. Remmeber when she wanted to shove a skwerer in Jill’s eye ball during a dinner? That was pure nastiness..
              Peeing in a bucket on National TV.
              Driving around with the SGM logo on her car
              Being ungrateful for being on a show that brought her success

              I don’t think the term ‘similar’ is the best way to describe it. I have to think for a better word. They were mirrors of each other.
              Bethenny’s snarky comments of others.
              Bethenny is a walking advertisment for everything Bethenny.
              I also felt that she used Jill.
              I think more of Bethenny needs to be exposed..

              I think Jill lashed out last year-which she is responsible for; however,Bethenny’s time will come.

              • LavaLady says:

                ok, Vin, I think we are going to have to “agree to disagree” about our views of Bethenny and Jill. Alot of what you say above is “dissing” Bethenny, but yet you say Bethenny and Jill are mirrors of each other. But you love Jill and hate Bethenny. So I am little confused, but not going to pursue the matter any further. Different opinions are what make this board work.

                • VincenzoNewYork says:

                  we’ll keep it at that. lol.
                  read my statement upthread. It is a reference to my orignial post. As of now, I do not have the facts to support my viewpoint. I do not hate Bethenny..I just react differently to her personality then other people.

                  • LavaLady says:

                    I did read your post upthread Vin. We have alot of “housewives” to get through, first the rest of Bethenny and then all of NYC. Your writing skills are good now, by the end of NY they will be superior.l

                    • VincenzoNewYork says:

                      aww ty. I think we all have good writing skills on the blog. I appear to write above my age level. I would hope college graduates have the ability to write;othereise, what did they do during college? lol.

              • 2Stupid says:

                Vin,
                She was instrumental in getting him his own web series, and has opened many doors for him. I believe they are truly friends now and she seems to really take care of those people in her life that have helped her. You do remember she wrote a really sweet note about Jill in her first book, but that wasn’t enough for the Queen!

                • 2Stupid says:

                  Vin, Just read your comments about writing skills. OOPS, I have a Master’s degree and all of my posts are riddled with typos. I just have never proofread things I do for fun. Maybe I should pay closer attention to detail.

                  • VincenzoNewYork says:

                    I didn’t mean it in that particular way. I tend to use varying degrees of vocabulary in my blog. I have many typos as well. It was not my intention to state that people with college degrees are better writers. This is a reality tv blog, not an academic forum where the commentators write in an academic fashion. I did not mean to offend you, if you found that to be offensive.

                    • 2Stupid says:

                      No, I just wanted to point out that people with “higer education” can still make errors. I applaud you for seeking an education, but always remember it doesn’t define you as a person. The example is you opinion of JZ, that come from within, not what you were taught at school. I could argue you could use deductive reasoning and come to a different conclusion. LOL

                  • HD says:

                    His has errors in it as well. You cannot talk about people going to college to learn how to write and say “othereise what did they do during college?” I take it he meant otherwise so perhaps they go for spelling. Not calling anyone out but letting 2Stupid know, everyone makes mistakes. This is blog, you cannot correct your spelling or other errors once you post, we all know what people pretty much mean and life goes on. Don’t even worry about it.

                • lovemamaearth says:

                  I agree. the WP & B both dished out comments & both took them as well.

                  The preview for NY eps looks biting. I hope we continue to be on Alex’s side. Jill continues to demand an apology?? And the DUI wife (CRS) claims there’s a pecking order?? This is America.

              • Nancy says:

                Go back and see why Bethenny wanted to put a skwerer in Jill’s eye. If thats not possible let me know and I’ll tell you.

          • BlueSky_Forever says:

            Vincenzo, did you watch the entire BGM? By the end, the wedding planner & B were best buds!!! Even tho Cookie didn’t like him, B does. By the way, the wedding planner has his own show now, I think on the internet? Wonder who helped him get that. Jill?

        • PJ says:

          Bethenny is not like Jill at all. Jill may want to be famous but Bethenny is building a brand.

      • The baby announcement is one of many things that made me dislike Jill. She made the baby announcement because she wanted to be the first person to break the news. She didn’t have the decency to wait until Bethenny and Jason made the announcement. I think she is good to her friends but if she doesn’t like you, look out, she is out for blood. She will attempt to ruin your career and your reputation. I think she is a horrible human being. I am glad I don’t have to deal with her.

        • Sha2000 says:

          I honest don’t pay enough attention to Jill to have formed an opinion either way on her. I found this blog by Googling “scary Island” or something to do with the NY St. John trip (I love St. John & wanted to find out where they stayed & did later) & luckily found this blog. I thought the domain name was intriguing & the background wall paper w/the Kreepy necklace hysterical (still do love that background).

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          What Jill should have done was text/tweet/email her congratulations directly to Bethenny and Jason. It was not her place to make that baby announcement! Jill’s behavior in this incident is what is hated – and it does go towards forming an opinion about her as a person.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      As we don’t know Jill as a friend/acquainance/business associate we don’t hate her as a person. What she does to others and why she does these things is what is worthy of the dreaded word hate. What Jill does and thinks she can justify would put her way outside of my world – she would never be part of it by my choice because people of her ilk are avoided. She is not a victim, she is not misunderstood, she does not have a problem with her memory – she is simply put a mean girl with a fine tuned justification of her actions system!

  10. lrd851 says:

    holy mother of god… thats some preview!!! im thinking if i was Bettheny i would be very happy i am far far far away from that nyc crew…

    • Mimisfbay says:

      Wow, I just watched it and, gee, the blog name stands IMHO

      • tootsie says:

        I watched it too, yuk. Did I actually hear Jill say “oh my f….en God.” Really. If that is what I heard I think even less of Jill. (How could that be possible). I have no intentions of watching ROHNY this next season. I refuse to give those incredible idiots any more of my time. I would be just as bad as they are if I did.

  11. Eve says:

    I really feel sorry for the Hoppys who have only been nice and welcoming to Bethenny. It was painful to see their faces at the dinner table when Bethenny felt the need to be defensive with them about spending time.
    I don’t believe that it has just to do with the fact that he is an only child. I come from a big family. I can’t imagine keeping my child away from my mother and father from regular visits and holidays. Bethenny is too self-absorbed to know what a good thing she has. I really don’t like her this season and her tears don’t affect me the way they did last season. I think she is mean. Poor Jason can’t even say a word without her feeling that he is trying to make her feel guilty. Maybe she has a reason to feel guilty.

    • Sha2000 says:

      I agree, very sad.

      • tootsie says:

        Bethenny did not say that she would not give them some holidays, she said she would not give them all the holidays. Bethenny did not have a baby to please grandparents, she had a baby for she and Jason. At the end of the day she will see them as often as possible but keep in mind, she has jobs to do. The Hoppy’s are lovely people but need to realize that the lives of Jason and Bethenny are quite involved and busy. Packing and traveling with little ones is exhausting, ask me, I did it with four children under 6. Don’t want those days back.

        • Sha2000 says:

          Why can’t they be together for all holidays? She has no family & he’s their only child after his sibling passed away. As far as packing (she has a small staff) & traveling with little one’s…we’ve all done it, it’s part of being a mom, busy or not, with a career or not. Plus, who says they have to got to PA each time? I’m sure the GP’s would travel to NY too. It’s funny how she can make time to do all sorts of things when it makes a dime but not if it means down time w/the in laws. Sorry, generally like B (although I do do without the constant TMI scenes & the incessant plugging of her cocktail), but she is wrong on this one. That said it IS tv and we shall see how it plays out, something tells me some of her dilemma maybe manufactured for drama.

        • Sha2000 says:

          Why can’t they be together for all holidays? She has no family & he’s their only child after his sibling passed away. As far as packing (she has a small staff) & traveling with little one’s…we’ve all done it, it’s part of being a mom, busy or not, with a career or not. Plus, who says they have to go to PA each time? I’m sure the GP’s would travel to NY too. It’s funny how she can make time to do all sorts of things when it makes a dime but not if it means down time w/the in laws. Sorry, generally like B (although I do do without the constant TMI scenes & the incessant plugging of her cocktail), but she is wrong on this one. That said it IS tv and we shall see how it plays out, something tells me some of her dilemma maybe manufactured for drama.

  12. Terry says:

    Most of you have said some version of what I’m going to write here, but oh well….

    NYC TRIP
    I’m so happy you had a good time in my city. I hope the natives were friendly. Also, I hope you ran into NYC people who are not obsessed with themselves.

    BETHENNY AND THE IN-LAWS
    Good god! I can’t imagine EVER telling my husband when and when not to see his parents. If he goes once a week, so be it. Actually, my husband does see his parents once a week, and I’m glad for it.

    I negotiated the in-law visits with my husband before we had to deal with it. I am not too fond of them, so I see them a minimum of four or five times a year, and that’s fine with them. They really want to see their son, me not so much.

    BETHENNY INCLUDING JASON IN ALL HER JOB-RELATED STUFF
    Who takes their spouse to work with them all the time? (Well, Dr. Phil does, and it looks silly). Bethenny should do the job-related appearances on her own; Jason can certainly be invited to some things, but it’s not his job. It’s Bethenny’s. Also, why should Jason call the manufacturers of Bethenny’s whatever? She should be handling her own businesses.

    BETHENNY’S SELF-ABSORPTION
    Meh. I’m over it. Don’t have a cow every two minutes. Don’t be tortured because your husband likes to see his parents. And stop mentioning how torn you are among all the things you do and complaining about how hard it is. Do your job as well as you can but be a wife and mother first. What’s the money for, if not for your family? That’s what you’re working for.

    • VincenzoNewYork says:

      I agree!!!

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      Me too. She whines and cries every 5 minutes, yet some think she is a “strong” woman. Please, I know everyday women who do way more than she without all the complaining AND please, who DIDN”T have a crappy childhood? This is not unique to Bethenny Frankel.

  13. plainviewsue says:

    Love love the pic of you in front of Zarin Fabrics. Would u have approached Jill if she was there????

    She is back to her old antics. In her interview with Rob Shuter, she AGAIN brought up the fact that she fed, housed, bathed, etc. Bethenny and doesn’t understand why Bethenny doesn’t want people to bring up Jill at her book signings. It’s like you said. It’s Because of her past relationship with Jill that she has asked that. Jill is still the same annoying creature. Never change the name of this blog!!!

    I loved Jason as Christian last night!!!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill confuses hospitality – weekends in the Hamptons – and actually being responsible for someone’s life – food and shelter because they can not provide their own! Her selective memory and mouth that never shuts coupled with her naked jealousy astounds me. There was no real friendship between Bethenny and Jill but Jill can probably tell you everything she served Bethenny to eat. She won’t change and I won’t apologize for disliking her intensely.

      • Jill is pathetic! Jill is basically saying that Bethenny is obligated to be her friend because she stayed with her in the Hamptons for one summer. It’s a shame that Jill has to lay guilt trips on people to get her way. She has very low self esteem.

      • lillybee says:

        But Beth probably cooked all that food.

    • Amber...RealWife says:

      Thank God Bethenny was too skinny to fit in to the Zarin girls clothing! Can you imagine… Jill saying ” I housed her, fed her and I clothed her too! She had nothing, so she wore my and Ally’s clothing even underwear! She is just so ungrateful!”

  14. Butters'Mom says:

    Do you think Jill’s head exploded when she saw Lynn’s picture in front of “her” store?
    Lynn will now be accused of stalking and Jill will probably seek a restraining order. DRAMA!!!!

  15. Olivia says:

    Wow, that clip of the NYC show is something else!

    Looks like everyone will be hating on Alex this time around. Sonia will be bringing out her inner slut. LuAnn will be offering more of the put downs. Ramona never too far away from the bottle. And Jill demanding apologies from everyone in sight.

    Good times!

    • LavaLady says:

      In one scene it looks like Sonia forgot her panties! Don’t know if I really want to see that!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Fasten your seatbelts – NY is going to bring it on a level they will be uncomfortable with – guessing Bravo is making them fit the new formula.

  16. Sha2000 says:

    Hi Lynn,
    the first thing I did was scroll down to read more NY fun & the first thing I saw was Lynn in front of Zarin Fabrics…cracked-up out loud : ) Now I sure I must have passed Zarin’s a billion times, don’t recall it because it was just another fabric store before Jill made it famous for being owned by a Bravo HW. Technically the fabric stores in that area are not considered China Town but The Lower East side by New Yorkers. The “illegal” parking & running in the store & out quickly is what most do in NY, usually someone is left in the car in case they have to move it to avoid at ticket…if you tell the traffic cop that that’s your store & you needed to run in for a min & they usually cut you a break & not write a ticket…I’ve never been to Chicago but I bet the parking can be as bad as Manhattan?

    Thanks for the fun follow-up Lynn!

  17. NormaJean says:

    Isn’t it odd that the general consensus here is that Bethenny has to change her plans, her ambitions, her life goals, her needs to accomodate Jason’s wants and the Hoppy’s wants. Would the attitude on the board be the same if the positions were reversed? Would everyone expect her to change and modify her career if she were a man? I don’t think so. Where was this attitude about Kelsey when he moved to NY do a play? There was a lot of criticism because Camille wasn’t jazzed out uprooting her life and her children’s lives to move to NY to accomodate Kelsey. No one was saying that Kelsey shouldn’t have agreed to do a play in NY for a year.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      hmmm…that was a really good point. And I need to mull it over a little…

    • Sha2000 says:

      Hi NormaJean, I get what you are saying but I don’t think that argument applies in this case. We are talking about a man who is an only child because his sibling passed & his family just want to see him & their only grandchild every few weeks & he seems to want to see them too. Why must the focus just be on the career & giving B more room? A marriage means compromise & he’s not even asking for anything but she keeps saying no & that she wants holidays alone…holidays & she knows he is their ONLY child; come on.

      • Nancy says:

        Bethenny is a total control freak, I think we all agree on that.
        When she is with Jason’s parents she looses that and I think thats why she freaks out. Nothing more. It will take time and I think then she will mellow out.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I have been thinking about role reversal – for every time I hear poor Jason’s parents, I also hear how hard it must be for Bethenny to have no extended family connection except a toxic one she refuses to bring into Jason and Bryn’s lives and why it is important that the little family be celebrated. For every time I hear Jason has to go here and there, I also hear that Bethenny is busting her ass creating a multimillion dollar nest egg for their family. Everyone has to compromise for this to work and how they do that is unique to their relationship and the reason for the show. Jason’s parents can come to the city, visits can be shorter in duration, and weekends with just their little family and some relaxation is mandatory!
      Right now they are being filmed (and paid) as this show is a job – granted this season is the minuta of their lives not the wacky milestones of a wedding and birth of last season. Me – I am curious how Bethenny does it all and I wish Jason would go to a therapist as well – compromise is difficult at best and everyone’s family is not everyone else’s normal! I love Julie, Gina and Cookie and the characters who are part of this world. And I don’t lose sight of the fact that this is a show about Bethenny and while I miss her sparring/snarking with the wives – I like the lightness of a more drama free peak at my favorite, honest to goodness NYC housewife! She has flaws, she has fears and she is letting us see the good, the bad and the ugly.

      • Nancy says:

        Jason refuses to see a therapist. Don’t you remember that episode? They were in California together having lunch after seeing Bethenny’s father. He said that if his marriage needs a therapist his marriage is over.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Good memory! Maybe he sees that as a sign of weakness but unless he is willing to face himself – why should Bethenny’s therapist “fix” her to his way of thinking?

    • HD says:

      Well I for one never said anything about Kelsy moving. After seeing Camille it was clear to me why he hightailed it out of there. Kidding. Quite honestly, that is his job. However. I don’t recall seeing Kelsy crying about being in play and making tons of money, crying leaving his family, drying aboutleaving his kids, crying about working, crying about the production company, crying about anything…maybe the camera didn’t catch that…*kanye shrug* I think Camille accepts that this is his job. Camille stayed in Cali and lived her life. But to me that is an entirely different type of couple. They were on the verge of a divorce, Kelsy was cheating so no wonder he left and set up house across the country. This argument may have more validity if they had just been married or something. But to compare a couple almost married 20 years, on the verge of a divorce to a happy newlywed couple is far reaching at best.

      Bethanny has a job. I get it. I have no problem with that. Do your job. And if your husband doesn’t want to tag along while you work and wants to spend time with his parents and his daughter so be it. The weekend didn’t have to even be about her but somehow she made it about her. Obviously this happens often because Jason mentioned it as if it did. I do not like people like that. You can do whatever they want but as soon as you want something its a conversation and a list about why we can’t do it. That is a one sided relationship that will never work. It gets old and gets old fast.

      Bethanny does not have to change who she is but don;t be surprised when people do not want to change who they are to suit you.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Stealing “all relationships are works in progress” – because they are. There will be many compromises needs for such a hectic life but I see both Bethenny and Jason as intelligent enough to realize that and willing to communicate to find workable solutions. They are setting life goals – quicker than most because of their circumstances. So if there were no bumps in the road would we view their lives as genuine? .

    • lovemamaearth says:

      I don’t think everyone thinks alike on B changing. I love her & see they both need to cooperate a lot. And I disagree with Rachel Ray, there is some tit for tat needed so no one feels totally put upon. & I love B& J together & the Julie treat was wonderful fun.

    • CathyOP says:

      No, this is not a feminist argument. Nobody that I read here thinks she has to change her career goals. Nobody is making the argument that Bethenny can’t be superwoman if that’s what she wants. She might have to change to make her family work along with it. That’s all. Women do this all the time, strong, successful women.

      And mostly that she quit being whiny about it. Or maybe that’s just me.

  18. Noreen says:

    Bethenny’s show is not scripted; it is edited, but not scripted. I love that what we see is real. It may be uncomfortable, but it is real. And I thought B’s therapist made an excellent point: what Jason’s family does is normal; normal to Jason’s family, not to everyone else. My parents saw their grandkids when their children made them available; my best friend’s mother (who adores her grandchildren) told her, I am not a babysitter and I will see the grandchildren at my convenience; a friend from years ago, her mother decided that when my friend started having babies, they were to address her as Grandmother, because the previous 12 had called her Grandma and she was sick of it. Nothing is normal. Jason is so wonderful, but it appears that he has been beating up B about visiting his parents because he feels guilty for a myriad of reasons and worries about his parents and, certainly, because he loves them and wants to share his new life with them. But the Hoppys need to realize that they are not going to see Bryn for every holiday. B & J’s life is more complicated than that. And may I be the first to say that while B is seeking the lime light and the benefits that come with it, I think Jason is also enjoying those benefits and doesn’t exactly shy away from the limelight. Okay, you can tell me to stop defending Bethenny so much as well!

    • Sha2000 says:

      Maybe not scripted but planned & discussed by B & J in my opinion. How many times are they going to plug that margarita? We get it it’s part of your livelihood, we’ve bought it, I gave mine away but some have drank it… the point is enough! Can we have one show where she’s not plugging her “brand”?

      • Noreen says:

        I hear you; but again she is honest about it. From season 1 of NYHW she said she did it to promote herself and her brand. TV is one big commercial and that just doesn’t bother me.

        • Sha2000 says:

          I agree, TV is one big commercial but I’m tired of hers.

          • NormaJean says:

            But that’s why she’s doing it, to promote her brand and grow her business. I think that doing a reality show just to be on TV is the true definition of “fame whore”.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        We are watching her build her business empire – so not naming her products makes no sense. I was surprised by the number of enterprises she has going and I swear in that scene with Julie I heard something about a line of spanx like garments!

      • HD says:

        Thank you, Sha. Have you caught just how many times that bottle just “happens” to be around. They had those bottles on the table when she had her bachlorette party in the casino. My goodness.

        Also you just happen to keep running into Nick. Yeah, I believe that. Just around the time you want to fire Max and have pity on a guy that didn’t look the part so you didn’t hire him, you Okay…

        • Sha2000 says:

          Right HD. The only thing not scripted is the hurt on the in-laws faces. Yes, she is building a brand but the show was promoted as single girl meets guy, fall in love, gets preggers, get hitched & is now with a family; not a business mogul. I realize her business will be featured but as HD said the bottle is EVERWHERE. Even in the restaurant w/her in-laws in PA the mom & dad are sipping margaritas (subliminal advertising) at a steakhouse…come on, how often do grandma & grandpa drink that? Some people do a tv show because they know it pays more than sticking with the rest of us hamsters on a wheel, not everyone is a famewhore.

          • Nancy says:

            You just reminded me of someone saying
            (re: Kelly) ‘The wheel is still spinning but the hamster is dead” Too funny.

        • lovemamaearth says:

          Oh I loved that they ran into Nick. & I’d just seen American Splendor again & the guy kind of reminds me of Toby. I can’t wait to see him evolve in the series. Love it. & loved how B chastised herself for hiring the slick guy, altho I enjoyed him too.
          Oh & could B’s baby nurse be any more perfect for that family?? lol
          & if I get tired of B selling her brands, I’ll quit watching. So far, I triple love it.

  19. Janie says:

    Bethenny felt no need to to speak of her father until everyone knew he was very sick. Bobby was a very very private man even though he was very well known in the racing world he kept his private life private. She knew he would hate her talking about him on tv. Too do it when he was dying made me sick. She is selfish and now it’s showing. I’ve read this blog for a very long time but never posted because I knew I was in the minority when it comes to Bethenny. She also gets her drive and alot of her personality from her father though she would probably never admit it. No I’m not Jill before everyone jumps on that just someone who sees Bethenny isn’t perfect.

    • Noreen says:

      That is my point exactly; Bethenny isn’t perfect, she is real and honest. And it is awkward, annoying and uncomfortable at times. I love but I also cringe a lot when I watch the show. I don’t want to watch a show about Mary Poppins.

      • Sha2000 says:

        Me either but I wish Bravo would ease up with the pee, poop, waxing scenes…I’m no prude, but tv is to relax & escape & sometimes say wow what a lovely life, watching B pee in a can is not my idea of must see tv.

      • tootsie says:

        Noreen, I think I love you. I like what you have to say and agree with you 100%.

    • LavaLady says:

      There’s room here for everyone’s opinion. Not everyone here is a Bethenny fan or thinks she is perfect.

      • Noreen says:

        I didn’t meant to suggest there wasn’t room for everyone; I meant to respond to a post. Sorry if I offended you.

        • LavaLady says:

          Noreen, absolutely no offense at all. My post above yours was in response to Janie. I thinks yours was after mine? Anyway, no sorry needed.

          • LavaLady says:

            But maybe you weren’t speaking to me in your post, but to someone else. IDK now; I’m confused, but no need to say sorry to me.

            • Noreen says:

              Ohhh! I’m not the brightest this morning! Thanks! I have got to get over my need to defend Bethenny. I don’t know why I feel so protective of her and what she puts out there. I think it is because I feel like she is honest with the viewers. And maybe we don’t always like or agree with it, but you know what you are going to get with her. And I appreciate her willingness to be so raw. I am not like that; I am the grin and bare it kind of girl and I think I wish I was a little more like Bethenny (sans the peeing in the bucket).

              • LavaLady says:

                Noreen, we are alike. I am a big Bethenny fan, always have been from day one. I admire her, “warts and all” because I am nothing like her. She intrigues me, fascinates me, and sometimes frustrates me. But I am still a fan.

                • WindyCityWondering says:

                  Count me in ladies! Life is tough and Bethenny’s is being held up for all to see.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Janie- Thank you for posting your opinion. And no, I for one, do not think you are Jill. Amnd I agree- Bethenny is not perfect by any means. Of course- I’m not either.

      Do you have inside information that Bobby was a private man? If you do and Bethenny “used” her father’s illness and death to advance her storyline and make her more popular with the viewers than yes, I agree with you, it was very selfish and slightly ghoulish.

      But hasn’t Bethenny always said that this is her life- the one that we see on TV? That she puts it all out there? In that context, I still don’t know how I feel about it- but I also can see her point of view as well.

      Please post again, even if you are in the minority- I enjoy reading different points of view.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Welcome Janie, I think we can all agree that Bethenny isn’t perfect. I think that she brought up her father’s illness and passing because that is something that she was dealing with in her life at the time. Ramona spoke of her father’s passing, no one seemed to have a problem with that. I think Ramona trashed her father a lot worse than Bethenny trashed hers. Both women talked honestly about their relationships with their father.

      The fact is these Housewives put their lives on display and can’t always control what is filmed and what is put out there by the network. I don’t think talking about the death of a parent or any family member should be taboo on TV, it is real life and we all deal with it at one point or another. Bobby Frankel didn’t earn his daughter’s silence yet she did keep silent about him for three years, until he passed away. She could have been slamming him from day one but she didn’t. I don’t think she even dissed him all that much when he passed, she was honest about her relationship with him, almost non-existent.

      ok, I’m done defending Bethenny, I get not everyone likes her but I don’t think she’s as horrible as people are making her out to be.

      • NormaJean says:

        I completely agree with you Lynn. She respected his privacy while he was alive and even now does not trash him. He died while she was filming RHNYC, she didn’t create that, that’s what happened (as Bethenny would say, lol). If she had avoided discussing that event in her life people would say she was a cold b***h. I think she allowed enough to be known to be real without being overly intrusive.

      • lovemamaearth says:

        I should have read ahead. LOVE your stories, recaps, links, & photos, Lynn. Thanks for going to all that trouble!!!

    • lovemamaearth says:

      I never saw B intimate that she considered herself perfect or anywhere near it. And selfish. Guess B had two perfect teachers for that lesson then didn’t she.

      Why watch & why post if it makes you sick? Women who have a zoo sized family make me ill especially considering the over population problem, so I don’t watch.

    • CathyOP says:

      You’re being specific about something that bothered you about Bethenny that she really did. Nothing wrong with that.

      I don’t agree with your take, even though I see Bethenny as flawed. She is allowed her part of her life story and her father dying was part of her story at the time. She didn’t show anything about him except that he was her father and he was dying. No cameras following her to the hospital, no hamming it up, just what it was. A daughter’s regret and sadness. She’s entitled to that whether her father was private or not, no one who knew him or loved him is going to see him in a different light and certainly no one who didn’t know him is going to feel like that did because she ‘exposed him’.

      This is just my opinion. I hope you understand that it may be strong disagreement but it isn’t a rejection of your opinion as you are entitled to it.

  20. Brigid A. says:

    Welcome home, Lynn, and thank you for sharing so many details and photos from Cat’s book signing and your visit to the fabulous New York City!

  21. quincyil says:

    Wow… I am dying to see BEA and to reread Lynn’s NYC information.

    I did put the Stargate Universe blog up though.

    Just hit on my name for the link.

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      Q what is the internet address for your blog? Might be a good idea to tweet it to the science fiction fans of Stargate Universe. To do that, search on twitter…using StargateUniverse, scify, etc. When you find twitter names of people that are fans of the show, tweet them the address of the blog…I can do it for you if you don’t want to be on twitter. Have to tell you, twitter is the place to be. All the breaking news, from Libya, Kristoff, NY times writers, Andersen Cooper, even Bethenny etc. etc. all use twitter. It’s fun. Just stay away from the dumba$$es (follow Lynnnchicago or putyourhairup to see good convo ). I’m @bluesky_forever on twitter. I’ve been following Cat & it was fun to see what Lynn & Cat were tweeting while Lynn was in NYC. Twitter is where all the breaking news is lol. Just go to twitter.com & sign up using your email address. It’s fun!

      • Nancy says:

        Oh God, remember when Jill & Bobby went on the radio show to talk about Zarin Fabric’s and she went crazy because she didn’t twitter about it first. She is delusional!

      • quincyil says:

        I am not on twittter.

        The only place I post is here.

  22. Mimisfbay says:

    Oh Lynn, I just love that pic of you in front of Zarin Fabrics! I love that Bawby drove up and that you were gobsmacked. I am still smiling because of your NYC caper. Thanks for sharing the experience with us.

    Poor Bethenny, part of her crazies just has to be the first time mom nuttiness. I remember not wanting people to touch or pick up my first baby. Take her away? Puleeze. Now I have watched both of my daughters do the exact same thing. If my poor son-in-law wanted to drive 2 hours to see his parents without my daughter in the car? Well, it just wouldn’t happen. All of those things you don’t know or have any point of reference about. Hell, I babysat for my aunt and helped take care of twins when I was a teen but being a first time mother is a shocker. Just sayin

    Now, B on the rooftop with Jason? I could also identify with her but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t annoy me. She is one lucky woman because most men clam up, don’t talk, sulk and head for some man cave. He wants to communicate, I just love this guy.

    Loved the makeover, love love love the show. Can understand from a business perspective that B has a very limited window of time with her business ventures. Unfortunately, there is both saturation and the fact that the public can turn on you and it is over. She cannot rest on her laurels and is driven to make sure that she keeps it going.

    Lynn, big thanks to you for all you do on the blog. You just make my day.

    Oh, I still hate JZ and if you wanna know why go back and read. I am not really looking forward to NYC but also need an intervention. That may come in the form of the new season. I do wanna know if Sonya is talking to Alex when she asks the blond to leave and if Sonya is the thug.

  23. BlueSky_Forever says:

    Loved the way B treated Julie. She’s been working for B for a long time now, they have a major bond. Can’t stop falling in love with Jason! Every episode we see a new side to him, his good heart, loving ways, fair & honest. Will he be loyal to B? She’d better realize that all the $ in the world is not worth losing Jason. Was there a therapy session in this episode (did I miss it…fell asleep a couple of times). Jason did mention her therapy, & asked her to go over her problem with not allowing Jason & Brwyn to go to PA with the Dr. Yes! Maybe B will start realizing what is important in life. Enough business, Skating with the (not so much) Stars. Just have enough $ to live on, and a happy little family Bethenny.

    The cynical side of me thinks she totally used Nick in that cafe scene. Okay, maybe they run into each other….but how many times? I like Nick too, but it broke my heart when he looked down, while shaking Jason’s hand. Then Jason said, “no, look at me” and Nick looked up. Okay Bethenny you just better hire Nick already, and I don’t even care if he works, just pay him. Please.

    You know what, this BEA is a soap opera, & I’m starting to fall for it hook, line & sinker! Damn you Bravo…sigh. Can’t wait until next week when B fires the preppie boy assisstant.

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      the previous blog had lots of good comments on it, so brought the above over from there…& as always I find what Olivia is saying striking a common chord with me.

      HD & like the foodie guy Nick (with messy hair) a lot. In fact, Bethenny better hire him & fire Max. In my dreams I want Nick to start a “food crawl” in NYC that takes you to all those great places he knows about for food. Please Nick?

      • Noreen says:

        They wouldn’t tease us with Nick and not bring him back. That would be cruel.

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          Especially to Nick…looks to me like he needs a job. And help with improving self-esteem too. Don’t know why, but I really like him, & want him to do well.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I am hoping that we see Max dumped and Nick hired! Nick’s awkwardness broke my heart too. And Julie is so much more than an assistant – Bethenny knows that but more importantly says it and backs it up with actions!

    • CathyOP says:

      It was pretty cool that Bethenny admitted she chose like she was in high school between Nic and Max, choosing the cool kid.

      Staged or not, and I agree that it’s hard not to be cynical about all of this because we are being manipulated to feel certain things, no question, I liked that she admitted that.

  24. Janie says:

    I grew up on the race track and yes I know Bobby was a very private man. I started watching the show because I knew she was his daughter. I liked her a lot at first but her constant whinning about her childhood gets annoying. Most marriages around the track don’t work out. It’s a 24/7 365 day a year job. He was just starting out when her mother left. I think her mother is the one who most likely made her childhood rough. Many of the people who grew up on the track have the same story. I just think at 40 years old she needs to move on. When my daughter was young I loved when her father would take her to visit his family for the weekend. It was the only time I could sit down and read more than two pages of a book. It’s just my opinion but I think she should remember Jason’s parents lost a son and if I remember correctly Bryn’s name is connected to him. They are going to be more attached to her than most. There has to be some give and take or the marriage is going to get very strained.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Well said.

    • twoile says:

      Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Thanks for sharing – IIRC Bobby stopped paying support because he wanted Bethenny with him. Either way, I see a very determined, driven woman and that had to come from Bobby!

      • NormaJean says:

        I think the drive comes from Bobby but the motivation comes from her mother. She grew up with a mother whose financial well being was dependent on a man. It was either feast or famine depending on her mother’s relationship status. I think Bethenny’s determined to make sure that doesn’t happen to her or Bryn.

        • Nancy says:

          When Bethenny brought Jill to the race track you could tell that Bethenny was really proud of her dad’s as far as his career was concerned.

  25. Sha2000 says:

    I have to get busy & serious about the day…BaaBaa/ Patty if you are reading this I hope you are having a good day.

    Thinking of you, be strong 🙂

  26. Rhetorica says:

    Hi everyone. Did anyone notice in the previews for Bethenny Ever After a house on the beach? It looks like the house Madison was selling with the board “elevator”. Is it?

  27. HD says:

    Also and this is my last negative thing (maybe)…I am 34 and my childhood was a boiling hot mess. It truly was. Bethanny’s childhood would probably be a walk in the park compared to mine and my childhood in comparison to a friend of mine who was molested every day by mutiple men that her mother brought in the house was easy.

    At some point in your life, you have to live beyond your childhood. You cannot continue to live there or it will rule every decision that you make, which is what I see happening here. I hope through this therapy she learns she is no longer the little girl that was not loved by her mother. She now is a grown woman, with her own family and she can live beyond the pain. At some point you gotta learn how to let it all go and be free. Too many of us spend time letting our past sabotage our future. I once heard someone say, “we are crucified daily between two thieves-the regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow”.

    • Olivia says:

      Sing it, Sister!

      • Sha2000 says:

        Well said HD as usual. I’m sorry you had such a rough childhood but I’m happy that you are strong enough to put it in perspective so you can progress in your own life. Sorry about your friend very sad but hopefully she matches you in your positive attitude.

    • ms molly says:

      Double Ditto!!!

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      HD you are truly inspiring. Whenever anyone complains to me how “my childhood was sooo difficult etc. I ask them “worse than Oprah’s? She overcame sexual abuse, teen pregnancy, bad influences (her own mom) to become well – Oprah. Her father (not biological, but he raised her after she left her mother’s house to live with him as a young pregnant teen -around age 14 – she gave birth but the baby died) was strict with her, providing the foundation she needed to succeed.

      • HD says:

        Thank you, BlueSky and thanks for the kind words about my poetry upthread and on the other blog. I don’t write rap lyrics but I think if I gave it a try it would come out pretty well. I love to write just about anything!

  28. Rabble Rouser says:

    Lynn, thank you for the blog and for sharing more details about your trip.

    I am I missing something though, is there a reason that WSL hasn’t posted lately? Also where is Error?

    • 2Stupid says:

      I have been asking about WSL for weeks and Lynn said she is just really busy, but reading when she can. Error, I don’t know, hopefully just busy. Error, Error, where are you……..

  29. Olivia says:

    It is really ironic in that we all watch the same show and come away with so many different interpretations.

    I like Bethenny. I am just not all that convinced that “building a brand” requires that she spend so much time complaining about it. It is making her rich and possibly offering an upgrade to the C List of celebrities.

    But there does come a time to step back and reaccess what you are doing when balancing multiple ventures that leaves little time for others. There are plenty of working mothers out there, single and married, who must juggle a lot more responsibility just to keep a roof over their kids heads and food on the table. I know, I have done it with very little help and maintaining my own wits just to survive.

    Listening to the likes of Camille Grammer complain about her idea of “exhaustion” when she has multiple people to pick up the slack is annoying. And Bethenny is beginning to fall into the same category as she appears to be biting off more than she can chew with her numerous projects. Another skin care line? Another perfume? Who needs this stuff?

    Most of us have foregone the opportunity to run off to the beach when things “get tough”. As Harry Truman once said: if you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. No one is pushing her into becoming a millionaire. Most people are satisfied if they can just come out even by the end of a week.

    • Sha2000 says:

      I found it funny that she needed a hair dresser to put in a regular ponytail, seemed a bit silly.

      • Katie (aka kats2) says:

        It wan’t even a good ponytail! The gaps of hair on the side is a pet peeve of mine. When you have dark hair you have to adjust these gaps it’s easy to do (just takes more time). It ruined the whole ponytail for me. tragic 🙂

        • LynnNChicago says:

          Agreed, the pony tail did not work at all! Apparently Robert Verdi isn’t perfect! Woohoo! lol

          • Sha2000 says:

            I wear a pony tail 95% of the time, all my life (I know, I know), I strive not to make it look that flat…it wasn’t even slicked back, it was just bla…why pay for that?

        • CathyOP says:

          Bethenny shouldn’t emphasize her thinning hair line. That ponytail look does. And I thought it was crazy that you would pay someone to put your hair in a ponytail. I ‘style’ my hair like that all the time. Quick and yes, it looks like crap. 😉

    • California35 says:

      I wondered why she needed help with the ponytail, but I wondered if that style was decided after she had the hair person there. I do see WHY she went with the ponytail though, that shirt couldn’t handle hair down (in my opinion). I like the combination of the clothes with the ponytail, and I agree no need for a hair dresser (for me) to make a ponytail.

      • jeang says:

        I thought she did the ponytail cause it looked like the girl on the skinny girl bottle. Also for sure with that busy ruffled blouse, the masses of down hair wouldnt work as well.

  30. Janie says:

    She brought it up with Gloria she brought it up other times too …… I never said she was a horrible person…. Enjoy your blog I knew I should have never posted.

    • Sha2000 says:

      huh? Up thread on your last post we all agreed with you.

      • Mimisfbay says:

        Me, too! Oh, well, I thought the comments were pretty tame and some agreed. I, for one, don’t care about BF’s comments about her relationship with her father but I don’t think anyone here was unkind. Tired of her carrying it around like a box of rocks but hay, no big deal.

    • LavaLady says:

      I’m confused about this, Janie. What are you referring to? Seems you are annoyed with something someone said, but not sure. I looked above and didn’t see anything, but maybe I missed it???

      • 2Stupid says:

        Janie,
        I’m sorry you have not felt welcome. Trust me for every Bethenny lover here, there are just as many that find her annoying. However, most of us think she isn’t as vile in going after peopls as Jill. However, our frienc Vince is alway willing to stick up for Jill. Often people will disagree, but everyone welcomes his opinion. Please continue to feel welcome.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Janie, I apologize if you got the impression that you aren’t entitled to your opinion, you are but I hope you don’t expect everyone to agree with your opinion all the time, we NEVER do that, that’s the beauty of the blog.

      Feel free to post your opinions but be ready for others to do the same.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Janie says:
      She brought it up with Gloria she brought it up other times too …… I never said she was a horrible person…. Enjoy your blog I knew I should have never posted.
      ====

      You made your point on a little tiny point in the peripheral of your life & almost everyone said you made good points. & look at your response. Think if your childhood had been cold & uncaring & possibly include molestation as someone mentioned her friend–it’s my understanding that B’s mom continued to bring men into their home or leave B with others.

      This reminds me of Joan Rivers in her reality series saying oh in NY, you just blurt out what you’re mad about & move on. Yet when the family was trying to tell her what was bothering them, she got in a big huff & flew to NY. They were just doing what she praised NYers for doing.

      & has anyone not been ok with seeing things from different angles here? But if someone is terribly bugged by something, why torture yourself with it?

      And I’d love horse stories if you have some. Even if you don’t name drop. 🙂

  31. Adgirl says:

    Hiiiiiieee Lynn!!
    How fun that you visited the “scene” of the crime (Zarin Fabwics). That’s exciting.

    We were in NYC not too long ago and saw Chris Matthews (MSNBC) in Rockefeller Plaza and then we saw him AGAIN inside Saint Patrick’s cathedral which is a block away.
    We watched Matthews on tv that night say a bunch of horrible things about Palin and her family so I don’t know how much good the daily visits to St P’s are doing for him.

    • Sha2000 says:

      LOVE Chris Matthews!!! Whatever he has to say about SP I’d be inclined to agree-sorry AD, she brings a lot of it on herself (at least some of us feel that way), she’s either loved or hated no in between it seems. Chris is very religious so I bet he’s at St. Patrick’s a lot, but don’t take it badly that’s why his show is called Hardball, plus religion & politics should never mix. BTW, back in the 80’s I used to work at SFA next door, saw lots of people come in from across the street. especially the SNL folks, it was exciting! Hey speaking of religion, did you catch Big Love this week?

      • Katie (aka kats2) says:

        TA to this my friend (TA = Totally Agree)

      • Adgirl says:

        Hi Sha2000! I haven’t been keeping up with BL. I gave up on it because I hated the country cult people so much. Love Marge.
        I am NOT a fan of Palin nor her family (why are they on tv so much and plz stop telling me about how to live my life), but it cracked me up how nasty CM was about about her personally – not just about her politics. Hey, didn’t I just see him at the cathedral?
        I was in St Pat’s to light a candle for my ex when CM nearly ran me over. Something about the whole experience was funny and weird. So NYish.
        We saw Lesley Stahl (60 Minutes) walking down the street. She wears a little wig. She is quite dainty in person.

        • Sha2000 says:

          I hope he excused himself! Never saw anyone running in St. Pats, lol I guess his breaks are short! Now I understand why LS hair look’s weird. poor thing! I’m sure she must need it unlike Kim Z. My best memory of St. Patrick’s, was walking past one morning late for work at Saks…1980’s. They were filming the movie w/Meryl Streep & Robert DiNero in-front of the Cathedral at a hot dog cart on the SE corner (which is never there in reality btw, no soliciting in front ever).
          Di Niro was feeding Streep a hot-dog or something like that, in NY it can be very annoying when film crews rudely tell you (they never ask & have nasty little interns physically block your path) that you may not pass they are filming…well I’m late for work & could give a $h1t if it were St. Patrick himself from the grave herding the snakes off fifth…I HAVE to get to work…so I pass right in front of the camera & ruin the shot. (You can’t stop us New Yorkers when we walk fast, fact, lol). It was a warm beautiful spring day, my hair was blowing behind me & I wasn’t bundled up or even wearing a jacket unlike Streep & Di Niro who were pretending it was winter, lol I knew it would be cut so I went for it. I had no interest in either actor at the time I was so young, didn’t interest me, just worried about punching in late…now I’d take a good look at them.

  32. PJ says:

    Bethenny is like people I’ve known over the years, people who spend too much time focusing on all the wrong things and not enough time enjoying what they have. I don’t see this marriage working unless Bethenny makes some changes. Jason couldn’t even enjoy a relaxing evening without dealing with Bethenny’s issues. Jason can’t take the baby to his parents house because Bethenny doesn’t want to be home alone without the baby??? Jason is going to get tired of this real soon. I have always liked Bethenny but it’s clear that Bethenny is about Bethenny and Jason is about family. It’s sad really, people like Bethenny often have everything except happiness in life. I hope Bethenny is able to change. It would be sad for Bryn if she didn’t have both her parents together. I’m all for Bethenny having a big career but she needs to understand that without Jason things would be much more difficult for her and terrible for Bryn. So it would be nice to see her embrace her life and have fun with it giving Jason what he needs for happiness.

    BTW I don’t agree that Bethenny used Jill. Jill gives as good or better than she gets. Jill is a user herself.

  33. Katie (aka kats2) says:

    Forget Bethenny’s show – Lynn thank you for sharing more of your NYC trip! The picture outside of Zarin’s Fabric is very funny, I think you need to change your twitter and blog picture. Of course Jill will accuse you of stalking her. HA!

    Now about that show of Bethenny’s – Don’t kill me and I apologize in advance for the rant but. . . I’m starting to find Bethenny very annoying. I think she’s one of those people who just loves to bicker. Every feeling and thought needs to be discussed to death and she has to have the last word and win every fight. It’s very manic and goes from funny to rage pretty quickly. I used to find the sarcastic stuff charming, not so much in S2. I get the importance of communication, but sometimes not saying certain things and picking your battles is best (specifically when the camera is rolling). While her show is better than almost all HW franchises, so far it’s just not as much fun to watch as S1 was and I enjoyed Beverly Hills HW much more. Maybe it will get better. I really hope it does, I do admire Bethenny in so many ways but the things I dislike are starting to outweigh the things I admire.

    IMHO the whole in-law situation should not be the big theme and discussed as much as it has on the show. Once a month for visits is just fine, go there, make them come to you. Work it out and for the love of God stop talking about it on camera, it’s getting boring and hurtful. The whole season cannot be about this topic. Like many have said, everyone deals with this situation, so deal with it and please do it off camera.

    Bethenny pulled me in, made me care about her, Jason and the in-laws and all the people in her life. And the key reason for this is her whole story about how she didn’t have family and was missing that so much. So now there are these great grand parents that have charmed us all and they are just acting like all grandparents act. I wish Bethenny would show us that she is embracing it more and get smarter about how she handles the situation. I do think part of why the Grandparents keep bringing it up as an issue/concern is partly because they are grandparents and this is what they do, but they are also sensing the “I can’t wait to get away from you people vibe” from Bethenny.

    And let’s keep in mind Bethenny is more than OK with non-family members being around 24/7 (Gina the nurse, Julie the assistant and the Bravo film crew). So it’s not that Bethenny can’t handle people being around ALL the Time but I guess it’s just certain non-work related people who suffocates her. Hmmm

    In Bethenny’s blog she states the following – “When I agreed to do my show, I knew it wouldn’t be easy. I could very easily manufacture plot lines, pretend everything is perfect in my home and office, and try to create drama for entertainment. However, that isn’t who I am. I do my show because I think it is important for it to actually be “reality.” I think you deserve the honesty that you have given me back.”

    This sounds like an excuse to me. Very similar to the HW’s who use the editing excuse. If I’m being mean or hurting people it is just me being real or it’s just the editing. I think it’s a bullshit excuse.

    Is the show/success such a big priority that if family, friends and innocent bystanders get their feelings hurt or embarrassed in the process of making this “real show” so be it, “I’m being honest and the fans deserve the honesty”? That’s pretty messed up.

    I think the show and Bethenny can still be honest, real, and very entertaining with a few less causalities in the process. Specifically when the person who is hurling the jokes and insults at others is so easy to cry over every emotion and time she gets hurt.

    Go ahead kill me but it felt good to get that out!

    • Sha2000 says:

      “And let’s keep in mind Bethenny is more than OK with non-family members being around 24/7 (Gina the nurse, Julie the assistant and the Bravo film crew). So it’s not that Bethenny can’t handle people being around ALL the Time but I guess it’s just certain non-work related people who suffocates her. Hmmm”

      Great point!

      • Sha2000 says:

        and in a tiny apartment too.

        • Mimisfbay says:

          “And let’s keep in mind Bethenny is more than OK with non-family members being around 24/7 (Gina the nurse, Julie the assistant and the Bravo film crew). So it’s not that Bethenny can’t handle people being around ALL the Time but I guess it’s just certain non-work related people who suffocates her. Hmmm” Wow, point well taken and said! I think that was a very astute observation Watson. Thanks.

      • Nancy says:

        I think it comes back to Bethenny’s control issues.

    • Louisadelmar says:

      I agree! I doubt I’ll be watching any more as seeing Bethenny whine and whine and whine got old real fast. The hashing and rehashing and then going over everything again in case there was any random thought that hadn’t been uttered is just ridiculous.

      I think she and Jason should pre-emptively get into couples therapy because if the show is any indication of what their lives are really like I doubt this marriage can last. Jason is going to get sick of a life that is All Bethenny All the Time and she will start to resent him because getting married and having a baby didn’t magically make her a happy person. I like both of them but I think I’ve had my fill for the season.

    • PJ says:

      Bethenny is not comfortable with the in law/family relationship. The others are around yes, but Bethenny is still in control so it isn’t exactly the same thing. It really isn’t fair to try and compare the two different types of relationships and expect Bethenny to handle them in the same way. Bethenny doesn’t know how to relate on the same level that Jason relates, it’s out of her comfort zone. Bethenny is riddled with inner conflicts and watching her wrestle them is taking some of the fun out of the show for now. Let’s hope that as Bethenny becomes more comfortable the fun comes back along with some joy.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      =And let’s keep in mind Bethenny is more than OK with non-family members being around 24/7 (Gina the nurse, Julie the assistant and the Bravo film crew). So it’s not that Bethenny can’t handle people being around ALL the Time
      =====

      Good point. Although I love the baby nanny, it would have been fun to have the MIL come help instead. She seems like a lovely person.

      & just a thought on (was her name Janie) complaint above, maybe it was in response to my asking if she was Jill after claiming to be blocked by Lynne & changing her name to Susan? I didn’t think it was the same person though.

      & if I caused hurt feelings, let me know & I’ll apologize specifically as well as now, generically.

    • If You Had It Like This says:

      Very well said. Bethenny is very neurotic and watching a neurotic person for an can get a little annoying, even though she’s very funny sometimes.

  34. @tweatcyn says:

    Lynn I really love your NY pictures! Especially the one outside of Zarins and the one on the Brooklyn Bridge. You were so lucky to get such a sunny clear day. Great view from your host’s home as well. The river looks beautiful.

    I saw the Julie makeover on Rachel Rae’s show and it was great. For that reason, I loved seeing what went on behind the scenes last night, as I’m sure I will for the Skating with The Stars in later episodes. Rachel really did give her good advice.

    If anyone is wondering what the new show on ABC called Secret Millionaire is like, I watched it and loved it. Here is my recap link:

    http://tweattwaddle.blogspot.com/2011/03/secret-millionaire-dani-johnson.html

  35. Sha2000 says:

    Why in the hell does this guy have a machete with him??

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/07/charlie-sheen-machete-tiger-blood-knife-video-los-angeles/

    Not good.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IMO the real bad stuff will start when people/media tires of his antics – his behavior will likely get much worse and have lasting consequences for all his children and his career opportunities. Had he simply gone to rehab within that first 30 day window his life would be so different from the sad trainwreck it has become.

    • Katie (aka kats2) says:

      He’s a lunatic man child with very serious problems and is failing (not winning) at spinning getting fired into something good.

      It’s a top rated show the exec at CBS did not just fire him over his mean words and bad behavior. They all have said he needs help, I will side with the family and co-workers who know him best and have the most lose vs. the people who are now trying to make a profit on his demise.

  36. Adgirl says:

    OT. Do any of you watch The Amazing Race?
    We cracked up when Zev and Justin talked about their prior appearance on TAR. Their first task in Japan was at the game show.
    Then we heard the diabolical voiceover”Eat the Wasabi Booooommmmb!”.

    We say that all of the time at our house. LOL.

    • Sha2000 says:

      That made me laugh too. What really made me crack up is when they said they need a nickname…they have on over at Collette LaLa’s bitchy blog; she calls them team “ass burgers” & they are friends of her blog so they know it too, lol.
      Check it out she’s nasty funny!

      http://bitchyamazingrace.blogspot.com/

  37. Amber...RealWife says:

    Problem solved! Next time B goes away, Jason gets a town car and goes to PA for the day/weekend. A chauffeured car would be the answer. I could imagine it would stress any parent to drive with a baby for 2+ hours alone in a car. Is it done daily? Sure, but not without scarring everyone in the car. A screaming baby can upset the balance. When I first had my son, the carseat which was improperly installed, tipped over when I took a turn. He started crying so I looked backed screamed, got out of traffic, grabbed him and cried as I rocked him. He was fine so after I calmed down, I fixed the seat and continued on my way. I never got into a car without checking the carseat ever again! Lesson learned.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Thank goodness! Glad he’s okay, as you know the traffic can be bad here..too many slam on their breaks & turn without signaling…must be a FL thing.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      A chauffeured car would solve some problems! When my son was two he nailed me in the back of the head from his carseat with his sippy cup. I swerved, hit a mailbox with my side view mirror! The owners were laughing so hard when I told them what happened and offering to pay for a new mailbox. So I put a no eating or drinking in the car rule for anyone needing a carseat. Lesson learned.

  38. Zarout! says:

    I’m not sure if this has been discussed already, but did everyone read the “spoiler” that Nene is never actually fired from Celebrity Apprentice because she quits? That’s soooo Nene. I can’t wait for her 15 minutes to be up! Maybe then her ego will deflate enough to bring her back down to earth.

    • Mimisfbay says:

      Noooooo, good find! Now doesn’t that just figure? I can’t wait to watch it, even more perhaps. Talk about an inflated ego. She is in a room with celebrities and still the egomaniacal behavior continues. Go Star Joes!

    • 2Stupid says:

      Where did you see that? No wonder Nene is talking smack about Star, she is intimidated. She really doesn’t have the business savvy for that show IMO.

      • lovemamaearth says:

        Nene talks smack about everyone. Star hasn’t said anything negative so far that I’ve heard. I don’t watch anything with Trump but that’s great about the $$ for charity. If it really gets to them.
        & past season with Cyndi Lauper was fun to hear Cyndi talk about it.

    • California35 says:

      I have not hear that. I was pleasantly surprise to see no drama from her. She was working hard and stayed off of trouble. I like that she did that. I did wonder what would had happened if the ladies lost the task, but still don’t think she would have gotten into trouble because she had been working hard.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IF you quit you can’t be fired logic is so NeNe! lol

  39. shamrockblonde says:

    I haven’t watched BEA yet, but following Lynn’s blog has kept me up to date in style – Lynn, I loved the pics, thanks for sharing those with us –

    When my girls were little, we moved out to Suffolk County – both of our familes lived in Nassau – we tried to do one holiday with my family and the next with his, but we both hated it so much that we ended up starting out at my family’s in the morning for Mass and then brunch and then moved on to my In- Law’s for Dinner and dessert – it was exhausting – and filling! – but we both got to see our families and our children got to spend time with both sets of their Grandparents and Aunts and Uncles and cousins – coming from a close-knit Irish family this was something that was very important to us both – the drive was long, and dealing with two little girls who were tired and whiny and traffic backed up as far as the eye could see, along with the weather sometimes being horrific, was no easy feat and we were not always in the best of moods when we got home, but I wouldn’t trade one of those car rides for anything in the world, especially now – I lost my Dad, and my husband has lost both of his parents – our memories of those shared holidays are something that give us both strength and much joy, and it is something that our children have with them to this day as well – they know where they came from, they have heard all of the funny stories and know all the traditions, because they have been passed down to them – through love and togetherness – I pray that Bethenny realizes what a beautiful gift is being offered to not only her, but her daughter as well – I know she is scared, and that being drawn into a closeness with someone makes her nervous because she is not at all familiar with it, but this is what her soul needs – more importantly, it is what her daughter needs – time is so very short and so precious, and sometimes our memories are really all that we are left with – let Bryn’s memories be filled with family, love and laughter – it is all right there waiting for her – and for Bethenny – hopefully Bethenny will trust it and let it in –

  40. boston02127 says:

    @VincenzoNewYork — I’ve never commented on your posts because I’m sorry to say that I’ve been suspicious of you. You can respond with your “ha ha ha’s and your lol’s once again and explain yourself but I’m sticking with my gut feeling. You can read why in the comments I’ve made regarding your post

    You stated “you have an old Jewish lady in your heart, hence the fascination with the Jews and their culture” (my first Hmm of many) With a name like Vincenzo, I don’t understand why an Italian man at age 24 has an old Jewish lady in his heart” My boyfriend is your age and 100 per cent Italian like you, and he’s got 2 things on his mind at all times. Work & sex. (he’s got much more on his mind but…get my drift)

    “I feel that Brynn” (It’s Bryn, one N. her name has been posted here dozens of times) deserves to have a relationship with her grandparents; they seem like nice people from what I have read” From what you’ve read? Do you watch BEA?

    You’ve expressed many times your love for Jill. Is your love for Jill so strong that you won’t watch Bethenny’s show but will make nasty comments about it. If you don’t watch the show why comment? I didn’t watch Top Chief and never once posted about it. I didn’t know enough about the show to comment.

    “Bethenny needs to find a better thereapist; (I’m sure you mean therapist) I would advise her to build a stable family and support her husband’s wishes as well”
    (this is what last nights show was about and what she is striving to do)

    “Sometimes women may have to work less in order to raise a family on their own” (Bethenny is not on her own. She has a loving husband)

    “It is difficult to be a driven career woman (how do you know this?) and maintain a close-knit family. It is very challenging and I am not certain how many women can do both at the same time with equal intensity. If they could; I’m sure burnout would be a major consequence of living a such high paced life-style. Bethenny looks like she is in a burnout phase-she does not look healthy”.
    (Yes Bethenny is thin and she doesn’t need to wear a Skweez girdle, it does not mean she’s not healthy. I’m thin and I’m as healthy as a horse)

    “She better also pay more attention to her husband’s own needs, otherwise he may pick up and leave her. I really think she used him just to have a ‘husband’ and a baby”
    You’ve got to be kidding? Why would you write such a mean, Jill-like comment? Bethenny is a smart woman, I’m sure if she did what you are accusing her of, she would of picked a man with money dripping out of his pockets. Unlike Jill, Bethenny didn’t do that.

    “She has severe issues that need to be the primary focus as of now. Everyone deserves success, but damaging your health and disregarding (She’s not damaging her health or disregarding Jason’s feelings. Again, watch the show) other people’s needs are quite frankly, very selfish I also feel that it is very supercilious of her to disregard her in-laws’ wishes because they don’t fit into the life plan that is trying to follow. Visiting once a month for 2 days I feel is neccessary, and not too much of a hassle. This woman needs to respect her mother in law, and respect her husband’s upbringing.
    (Bethenny only talks highly of Jason’s parents. Never disrespectful and if you watched the show you’d know that she does visit them and loves them)

    “I really don’t know why y’all loathe Jill Zarin so very much. I think Ms. Frankel’s behavior is far more reprehensible then Jill’s; I suppose her true nature is finally on dispaly for the whole world to see. We also have no idea what Bethenny is capable of in ‘attack’ mode, I’m sure she will behave in far more vicous ways than Jill could ever muster”

    (Bethenny’s behavior is far more reprehensible than Jill’s) Sorry Vin, I’d rather get slapped in the face than stabbed in the back. You get what you get with Bethenny. With Jill, you’d have to watch your back at all times.

    “Y’all”? You are from NY right? Again, are you joking? You don’t know why y’all loathe Jill Zarin so very much” The name of this blog is called I HATE JILL ZARIN.

    I apologize if you think I’m being rude to you Vincenzo, I’m not. I’ve just had enough with the Jill love and the Jill-type comments and defending such a crude, rude, self-absorbed pig that Jill is. I truly believe that you are somehow affiliated with Team Jill.

    • Noreen says:

      Thank you, thank you, thank you Boston. You are my hero. I wish I had wrote it myself. There is a lot of anti Bethanny on the blog today and as one who reads the blog daily but posts infrequently, I didn’t feel strong enough to write what I really wanted to say. Thanks from cowards like me for taking the time to do it and do it so well. I think there is lots and lots of room on this blog for everyone’s point of view but thanks for calling out the BS when you smell it!

    • Mimisfbay says:

      Me too! I still hate Jill Zarin.

    • California35 says:

      I have not read much today, but started from the bottom up.

      WOW Boston2127!! I had not read that from Vince…so much attack to B. He did say from the beginning that he likes J and he is on J’s team. I have been worried, but not said anything because he has been respectful and other regular posters welcomed him. I like the way he writes and explains himself, but he is constantly talking about J and his love for her. Nothing wrong with that…BUT we are in a Hate J blog, is he trying to convince us? …so it is a bit confusing. NOW…he is expressing so much against B…well that is just WRONG lol 😛

      I am even concern to write this down because I don’t want to get in the middle of it (I think I just did), but I did feel the need to say something because you are bringing it up, and I want you to know that I am with you on this one. Maybe I like B as much as he likes J and that might have a lot to do with my decision to write also, but I hope he understands.

    • quincyil says:

      Let’s ask Vince that question.

      Vince, a while back you said that Jill put you on her twitter and you have worked things out with her. At the time, I thought you were in communication with Jill Zarin herself.

      Vince, are you a representative of Jill Zarin on this board?

      Q

      • VincenzoNewYork says:

        I have no affiliation with Jill Zarin. She contacted me via email after her I had emailed her sister expressing my conerns on how she treats supportive fans. Jill still has not unblocked me after our email discussion.

        I think that it is really harsh of some of you to to think that I work for Jill Zarin. Why would you guys ever think that about me? Especially writing a review for Cat’s book, and being very supportive of her.

        This blog is about sharing viewpoints and opinions.
        I make a few brutal statements and I am attacked on all fronts. I knew it would be difficult to state opinions later on during RHONY, but I never envisioned it like this.
        I shared my real name with everyone, with a real picture of myself! I wanted this to be a personal type of experience with everyone.
        For the most part I have been respectful of people’s opinions, and never attacked someone like this.

        • CathyOP says:

          You’re not being attacked. Your view is being countered. That is all.

          You admit you were being brutal. That should solve the mystery you are feigning: How could you all treat me so badly!

          And now you think someone is “harsh” because they think you might be Jill.

          Are you really in your twenties? Oops, that was haaarsh…maybe/

        • quincyil says:

          The reason that I think you might have an affiliation with Jill Zarin is that you said that you had email from Jill Zarin herself and that you and she has come to an understanding. You also have told us that you are in communication with Jill Zarin’s sister, Lisa. I follow your posts on the board, Vincent.

          Why would it be harsh for you to be associated with Jill Zarin when you consistently support her and believe that her behavior in the show is perfectly ok?

          Your statements about Bethenny seemed so similar to the statements of Jill Zarin in articles and on the show that I thought you may have a relationship with her for a long time.

          I believe you when you say that you don’t and even if you did, it would be perfectly fine to post here.

          I enjoyed your review of Cat’s book very much. I welcome differing points of view.

          Generally, backing up your statements is a wise thing to do and you can see that most of the people here make a statement and then explain why they think that way. It’s called, “Critical Thinking.” As a college graduate, I’m sure you were exposed this this form of logic.

          From Wikipedia:

          Critical thinking clarifies goals, examines assumptions, discerns hidden values, evaluates evidence, accomplishes actions, and assesses conclusions.

          “Critical” as used in the expression “critical thinking” connotes the importance or centrality of the thinking to an issue, question or problem of concern. “Critical” in this context does not mean “disapproval” or “negative.” There are many positive and useful uses of critical thinking, for example formulating a workable solution to a complex personal problem, deliberating as a group about what course of action to take, or analyzing the assumptions and the quality of the methods used in scientifically arriving at a reasonable level of confidence about a given hypothesis. Using strong critical thinking we might evaluate an argument, for example, as worthy of acceptance because it is valid and based on true premises. Upon reflection, a speaker may be evaluated as a credible source of knowledge on a given topic.

          “Critical thinking can occur whenever one judges, decides, or solves a problem; in general, whenever one must figure out what to believe or what to do, and do so in a reasonable and reflective way. Reading, writing, speaking, and listening can all be done critically or uncritically. Critical thinking is crucial to becoming a close reader and a substantive writer. Expressed most generally, critical thinking is “a way of taking up the problems of life.”

          I think the problem that you are having here today is not that others are being harsh or unfair to you. Your statements about Jill Zarin don’t make sense to myself and I suspect many others here. We watched Jill Zarin on the show, read articles about the things that she had said and done to others, and read her twitter comments.

          Lynn has lists on the the things that Jill Zarin has done in her blogs.

          I like you Vince.

          Q

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          I don’t think you ‘work’ for Jill Zarin.

          Maybe I am just naive but from the beginning you have been open about the fact that you admire her. I think because there were so many other discussions going on that JZ didn’t get that much attention. Now that JZ and Bethanny are being talked about in the same blog- I think it’s just getting a bit more attention.

          I hope you don’t feel like you are getting run off the board. Some times a certain comment here will ignite a little fire but it gets put out quickly- and some times just as easily as a new blog.

          I bet when the new OC blog is posted and we are talking about that- no one will will be thinking about your support of Jill Zarin.

    • Realminkey says:

      >You stated “you have an old Jewish lady in your heart, hence the fascination with the Jews and their culture” (my first Hmm of many) With a name like Vincenzo, I don’t understand why an Italian man at age 24 has an old Jewish lady in his heart” My boyfriend is your age and 100 per cent Italian like you, and he’s got 2 things on his mind at all times. Work & sex. (he’s got much more on his mind but…get my drift)<

      Lol Boston. While lurking in the shadows here, I've been thinking exactly the
      same thing! It's kinda like me saying I have a young Muslim man in my heart. WTF!

      BTW, Shout out to Lynn… Fantastic photos! Love the Zarin Fabric shot!

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I think that comment was really unfair.

        There are people of many walks of life who have touched my heart for a number of reasons. I limit my respect and admiration for people are just like me.

        Not many 24 year old men like RH shows either but we know that obviously some do.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      @Boston – I love you! It was somewhat smelling off and too pro Jill (Lisa, Gloria and the moldy book). In fact, I was beginning to suspect the “nephew” and was hesitant to raise that question. And the topic is Bethenny not the squeezy queen of mean. Thanks for speaking up and for doing it without rancor.

      • Amber...RealWife says:

        BINGO!! Today I actually thought he is so venomous now, is he really Jill’s Amazon nephew? Or is he really who he is, and now has to prove his undying love to Jill by causing a “pandemonium” on the blog. Maybe this is his way of getting unblocked.

        Oh well, whatever is clever, JillZarin lover…NEVER!!

    • Nancy says:

      How many times do I have to say that he IS ONE OF JILL’S TROLL’S?

    • DarkSonnet says:

      Bravo Boston!

      I was late to the party today but my gut feelings were beginning to grumble a bit.

      I began to wonder if Jill Zarin had just received a gift greater than the obscene 500 red roses that Bobby sent to her.

      A true gift, one that she would remember forever – A gold gift wrapped, tied with a big red bow, coup d’etat delivered by an unassuming accepted member of this blog.

      It would not be delivered instantly but over a period of time by spoon feeding the “positive attributes” of loveable Jill. Ideal infiltration.

      There were two red flags for me in Vincent’s well written post.

      1. I suppose her true nature is finally on display for the whole world to see. We also have no idea what Bethenny is capable of in ‘attack’ mode, I’m sure she will behave in far more vicous ways than Jill could ever muster”.

      I have heard that exact litany from Jill Zarin when pleading her innocence last season.

      2. “She better also pay more attention to her husband’s own needs, otherwise he may pick up and leave her. I really think she used him just to have a ‘husband’ and a baby”

      Another “Jillism” from the fallout from last season.

      Realistically, we all know how much this blog has infuriated JZ. She is obsessed with it and her crowning victory would be to see it “turn around” (totally delusional, but then it is Jill) or be destroyed.

      We know that there have been unsuccessful attempts by many trolls and the thinly veiled inquiry that wondered IF Simon and Alex had “accepted” JZ as a friend, would this change the tenor of this blog.

      At this time I don’t know exactly what the connection is, but I think there is one. (I have a strong theory)

      I totally respect everyone’s right to their own viewpoint but I rather resent it when somebody is peeing on my foot and telling me it is raining,

      Vincent, I believe you are a nice young man and I sincerely hope that you haven’t put all your trust into a person that will jettison you when you no longer serve a purpose. I mean this sincerely.

      End of rant.

      On to more important things – like the picture of Lynn and Zarin Fabrics! It totally made my day and I printed it on photo-paper and stuck it on the computer tower. Yep, made my day!

    • Cusi77 says:

      TYTYTY Boston! You have expressed perfectly every one of my thoughts.

      I have been sure since “Vincenzo” came to this board that he came to balance the dislike (I have said it before, I do not hate Jill Zarin. I dislike her antics and she does not have the qualities I admire) for JZ… Is he paid by JZ to do that? It is better to infiltrate a nice person than to send and agresive troll.
      I took him like that… the nice guy payed by JZ to balance this board and The Universe.

      But! Do not atack Bethenny, Vincenzo. Not that way. It is the way how JZ operates… Infiltrating nicely is okay, backstabing is low.

      • Sha2000 says:

        Respectfully guy’s maybe he’s just a fan of Jill’s?If so great, remember Lynn said it above best, all opinions are welcome.

        Quincy I agree, I like Vince too.

        • quincyil says:

          Absolutely, anyone can post. If you have an opinion share it. Try to give a reason for your opinions and you can sway others. I often change my opinion if given new information.

      • DarkSonnet says:

        Perhaps his pay is simply being allowed minimal access to JZ?

        My question would be “have you ever talked/texted/emailed or had an exchange of the any of the above, with Jill Zarin or any of her representatives?”

    • jeang says:

      Amen Boston!

    • twoile says:

      ITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • twoile says:

      @B02107, ITA well said, couldn’t have said it better……have had my ire up but held my tongue so to speak, ssoooooooooooooooo glad you didn’t Gr8 job TX Jeanne

  41. boston02127 says:

    Lynn–Great blog! Thanks. Luv the pic’s, esp the one of you in front of Zarin’s. HA!!

  42. California35 says:

    I have only read the blog. I have not see BEA yet 😦 I hope to see it tonight….

    Thanks for sharing some more of your trip. That picture at the end looks so gooood 🙂

    I think B is just putting it all “out there” as she says. She is learning, trying and adjusting to the family dynamics, her own little family and the extended one with grandparents. At the same time, she is building her business. I think that by now she has adjusted some more, but we are still seeing the early struggles.

    I keep thinking that she is showing what many have gone through. Some of us complain some of us don’t, but not necessarily hating the situations or the people we are complaining about. We just want to let it out, or get some feedback, or even some help and advice. We just happen to tell only our close friends, or to the people we have the problem with (spouse or in laws)…and we keep going with our day, adjusting or having a problem with it. Many people, our coworkers, employees, extended family and even some close friends do not know we are going through any of it. B just happens to be on a TV show for everyone to see. She obviously doesn’t mind, otherwise she would not be on the show. I enjoy it and understand most of it.

    About Jason being so involved in her work life and activities, I like that. I am actually surprised that she is including him so much into it because she has been alone for so long. At the same time, I understand because if she didn’t include him she might not see him that much. I am glad he is on board, and if they keep the communication open and he can decide when he wants to be involved, they will be okay. I think the same with the in-laws situation. If she goes when it isn’t too much trouble for her, they will be okay. On both situations, if there are no resentment of course.

  43. VincenzoNewYork says:

    @Boston

    Thank you for your comments. Your ‘gut’ instincts are off about me.

    I am not affiliated with JILL ZARIN!
    I use my real name and picture!
    Why would I make comments about other shows and other housewives if I was only invested in Jill Zarin. Yes, I understand that the viewpoint of this blog is Anti Jill Zarin, but I do not work for her.
    I am 24 and gay; hence the old jewish lady in my heart. I just have a fascination with Judaism and the Jewish culture; I am willing to convert, but I have a physical barrier to a certain Jewish ritual!

    I am Anti- Bethenny…she’s not my cup of tea.

    I am sorry if people found my comments to be offensive. I did not expect such a serious reaction from them. I was just expressing what I feel about Bethenny.
    I have told Lynn numerous times on twitter that I love her blog and that she is a fanastic writer. I also love her podcasts, and I hope she persues a career in entertainment journalism. You guys can check my twitter and see for yourselves;Jill Zarin still has me blocked after she contacted me via email. I sent an email to her sister stating that Jill blocked me because of my twitter connection to this blog. I also expressed that I never said anything remotely hurtful to Jill, and my friendly behavior did not warrant a blocking. I told her sister that I will always support Jill and Lisa, despite me being blocked forever.

    I’ll return after the completion of the NYC season.

    @Nancy, I am not a troll…that was a joke.

    • CathyOP says:

      It’s not that you don’t like Bethenny that is a big deal, it’s the wildly presumptuous accusation that she used somebody to marry her and give her a baby, based on nothing but your gut, I guess.

      If somebody said, “I think Jill uses her child’s disease to garner sympathy” you might understand. You’d feel the desire to call that out as wildly presumptuous and probably even mean.

      Jill did things in evidence that we object to, not what we feel in our gut about her, but real, itemizable things mostly behind the scenes and outside the show, but also on the show.

      You give these prejudicial, judgmental “feelings” about Bethenny and I guess you don’t see the difference.

      • HD says:

        What I don’t understand and I’m keeping it real…why would you on an I HATE JILL ZARIN blog if you love Jill Zarin? That is like weight watchers meetings being held at Krispy Creme. It just doesn’t make sense.

        I still hate Jill Zarin and poop served on a silver platter is still poop.

      • LavaLady says:

        V – I also don’t think the problem today is that you “like” Jill. I think the problem is your very first post of the day. You were brutal towards Bethenny, while admitting you do not watch her show. You stated things that you “felt” were true, without any evidence to back them up. Some of those things were mean, and harsh and uncalled for.

        I have to say I was quite surprised by your first post of the day. I usually enjoy your posts and do not find them to be prejudiced in any way. Sure, we all knew you liked Jill. But I have to say, ever since you began talking about reading her book, I feel you have changed. You now seem to be on a campaign to take Bethenny down, and that is suspicious to me.

        Maybe you just made too many assumptions about Bethenny and thought no one would notice. But some of us did, because there are many Bethenny fans here.

        I don’t think you need to leave the blog, nor do I want you to. But you have to realize that when people here read a statement that is unjust, they will call you out on it.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Vince – no one is chasing you away. We have disagreements, we have favorites, we change our minds but most of all we have each other to bounce our thoughts off of and the freedom to do so! Boston has a valid point, while we all go off topic at times – if you don’t watch Bethenny then don’t speculate about her life choices. Bethenny does not have Jill in her life and doesn’t comment on Jill and I can respect that – too bad Jill can’t let it go. I hope you are here for RHNY S4 – it would be interesting to hear your take on situations.

    • Nancy says:

      HOW CAN YOU HAVE SUCH A STRONG OPINION OF BETHENNY WHEN YOU DON’T EVEN WATCH HER SHOW?

      • Realminkey says:

        Well, if he isn’t a troll, he has some serious issues… Anyone who has the likes of Jill or Gloria in his young heart needs a transplant, pronto. 😉

      • Sha2000 says:

        Maybe he watched her on RHONY? Everyone is entitled to likes & dislikes no?

  44. CathyOP says:

    I really don’t mind criticism of Bethenny if it’s on what she projects on the show or in real life. It’s these giant generalizations that are so informed by a general dislike of her and preference for Jill that makes it pointless to attempt discussion.

    • Katie (aka kats2) says:

      This point that CathyOP makes is a very good and valid point.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        ITA! Comparing Bethenny’s behavior/life choices to Jill’s is apples and oranges! Shoot make that apples to brocolli!

      • CathyOP says:

        You can just call me Cathy if there aren’t many other Cathy’s here.
        Thanks for your comment.

  45. shamrockblonde says:

    I like reading Vin’s posts and have never thought him to be anything other than what he says he is – for the time being, we are still a free country and are able to express our opinions – I hope he sticks around, even though – I hate Jill Zarin!!

    • 2Stupid says:

      I have always found Vince to be respectful as well. I did find it odd thay he came out and said that Bethenny used Jason. I think they show themselves on TV as a really loving couple. Bethenny tweeted yesterday a picture from the Hoppy’s house and watched the show with Jason’s mom. The thing about these shows is we see them several months after the fact, so we don’t know how things have been resolved. What we do know NOW is that Bethenny asks not to talk about Jill or the other housewives. She has Alex and Ramona on her show and maintains she speaks to them occassionally. That Jill has brought up Bethenny in EVERY interview she has had lately. Why can’t she take the high road and just drop it. Now where the rubber meets the road is going to be he new shape line. If outsells JZ skweez couture (?) line then you are going to see Jill really come out swinging. Oy!

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I wonder if the term “used” in regards to what was suggested to be an unplanned pregnancy- and “shot gun” style wedding is boiled down to a man’s perspective verses a woman’s.

        As a mother, I envision having that talk with my daughters about using protection (until they are married and planning a family) out of concern that not only will they get pregnant before they are ready to be a parent but heaven forbid the guy ends up some sort of dead beat.

        If I had a son, I would tell them to use protection (until he was married and planning a family) because I wouldn’t want him ‘stuck’ in dealing with some random girl for the rest of his life because of one night of passion. Don’t get me wrong, I would both encourage and expect him to do right by the child- as would I. I would hope that the woman would be easy to deal with and that we would get along.

        • Nancy says:

          Are you saying Bethenny got pregnant on purpose?

          • Di says:

            Bethenny said in an interview that she and Jason were trying to get pregnant. Gasp! Before they got married?! Yes. 😉 They both wanted a baby and since they were both older they wanted to start asap.

            They were in love, knew they were going to be together forever, and both wanted a baby. She said it happened right after they started trying (I think after they got engaged, but I’m not positive). They thought it would take longer, but it didn’t. I’m not sure how she trapped Jason, considering he was in on the plan 🙂

            • Rabble Rouser says:

              Really- I don’t remember that..and if they were ‘trying’ what was with the ‘shocked’ look that came across when she took a pregnancy test? Unless that was all BS for the cameras.

            • Rabble Rouser says:

              Really- I don’t remember that..and if they were ‘trying’ what was with the ‘shocked’ look that came across when she took a pregnancy test? Unless that was all BS for the cameras.

              Nor do I understand the last minute wedding, if they were planning to have a child out of wedlock.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            No, that’s not what I am suggesting at all ,quite the opposite actually.

            I am suggesting that because she got pregnant, the relationship accelerated much faster than it would have had that not happened.

            I have to wonder if she didn’t get pregnant would they have gotten married? Would they still be together?

            Of course none of us can answer that with absolute certainty- I’m merely speculating.

  46. amy says:

    I really think that Bethenny is jealous of Jason’s love for his parents. I think she needs all of him to be happy/not crying constantly.

    • 2Stupid says:

      I think she is insecure that they won’t find her a loving DIL that she thinks they expect her to be. The truth in reality is that they only care if she loves Bryn. Never having unconditional love, I think it is very hard for her to embrace or even really believe it exists. She is already questioning when Jason will start resentling her. I think that comes from that place in her head that tells her she doesn’t deserve to be loved. I think her drive comes from that voice telling her she doesn’t deserve success. I believe she is trying really hard to silence that voice, but IMO it is very much still there.

  47. Olivia says:

    We do realize that we are basically arguing varying points of view over “fictional characters” don’t we? I mean, none of us is related to or has any knowledge outside of what they portray on tv right?

    This blog, like others set up to discuss reality tv shows is essentially a place to express an opinion about these women who have actively sought out the limelight to present themselves in poses that often turn out to be otherwise. Teresa Guidice as one example. Dina as another. Some of these women are outright laughable and blogs such as this offer the opportunity to say as much. Hawking their wares as they pose for some publication in clothes that don’t fit is indication that something about them is a “little off”. They invite the criticism and here it flows.

    Vincenzo’s mistake is assuming that by entering this room he could persuade, or at least temper the comments that Jill Zarin has garnered, by softening her image by comparing her to Bethenny. Apples and oranges by my reckoning. Each can stand on her own and fight back as we have seen from observing their behavior over time.

    Some of us have strong opinions either way. Some prefer one over the other. Some prefer to believe that what they present on screen is real. Some are more compassionate than others. Some more cynical to what is being shown.

    Having said as much, it would be a shame if this blog becomes a cheerleading squad for one performer over the other because of the varying degrees of conflicting views.
    Vincenzo just needs to understand that as the blog is titled, there is no love lost about feelings expressed about Jill Zarin. To us she has shown that she can be a nasty piece of work. More so for her offstage antics than on.

    As for the others, it is a matter of taste and interpretation of how they are received by each commentator. We all see and hear things a little differently but if going forward this is to be nothing but a “no fly zone” for some we should say so now.

    • 2Stupid says:

      Olivia,
      Are you trying to bring rational arguments to our land of make believe here. I think bottom line is we do alot of projecting on this board, but do tend to point to some real life event as evidence for our point. If JZ hadn’t given us so much ammunition I don’t think most of us would feel so strongly. I was annoyed with Kyle on BH, but no where near the contempt I have for JZ and still do. I feel like she has no moral compass reeling her in when she goes too far.

      • Olivia says:

        No, what I was trying to say is that we should never take this stuff personally. These are grown up people who choose to open themselves up to the spotlight and whose behavior both on and offscreen is fair game. Some are more odious than others but it does not change the fact that we do no know these people on any level outside of what we have seen on a tv screen and even that is suspect.

        Vincenzo’s error was by insisting that Jill and Lisa were somehow being mistreated on a blog that clearly spells out the antipathy of the commentators. Nothing he can say or do will change that and I am hoping that going forward he comes to see that.

      • Mimisfbay says:

        Good one! I love our land of make believe and agree heartily.

    • Sha2000 says:

      Brava Olivia, your strongest point yet, I agree fully!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      This place was born out of watching a frustratingly nasty woman – add the off show antics/interviews and behavior and the need to share the feelings we have because of her. We bring our own life filters/experiences and some of us very different takes on situations. We realize we are seeing what was crafted for us and there is some speculation mixed in with the snark – I have come to value all opinions, I don’t need or want to change anyone’s mind and I now know how to spot a troll. I miss people when they aren’t around, I love when new people find their posting feet. I would not go to a blog that starts I love when love is not what I have for that topic! A day without a little Lynn and company is like a day without coffee for me.

  48. California35 says:

    My other thought about Bethenny — sorry I am full of thoughts today 😛

    She might have had all this stuff in a little “Tupperware” (I think that is what the therapist called it). Then when she got involved with Jason or when she got pregnant, she also began thinking more and more about her “stuff” because she was open emotionally. When she was single and trying to make ends meet and starting her career, she was very much involved with the “today”, with the struggles and the fun of the day. At some point, whether it was when she got involved with someone so close to his family or when she got pregnant, her childhood and family experiences came to life. Maybe she began reflecting on it. As a therapist once said to me, once you open up you will want to talk about it even when you don’t want to talk about it. Yes! Bethenny chooses to do that on camera though, and that is opening up doors for others to discuss. People either will agree or sympathize with her, or they will criticize her or get annoyed. Either way, I hope she learns and feel better about all of it. As others have said, many of us have had a tough childhood. We are still struggling with it in one way or another, but still moving on. I hope we all do better.

  49. VincenzoNewYork says:

    Let’s do a quick recap:
    1) I was a lurker since August, but I was prompted to comment after the Kyle/Kim spectacle in the Limo because I was outraged that Bravo would permit such a family dilemma on television.
    2) I always tweeted to Lynn prior to joining this blog.
    3) I apologize for my harsh statements about Bethenny! I really do!! They are based on emotion rather on hard evidence.
    4) JZ blocked me around January; she saw me tweet to Lynn about the ‘bring DC back’ letter to Andy Cohen. That is how she manages her twitter;she does not welcome dissent.
    5) I AM NOT JILL ZARIN.
    6) I have stated numerous times that this blog is about all the HW shows and I am willing to overlook the title, because I do have fun here. For the most part everyone welcomed me and it was a nice community of memebers. All of you are very intelligent people, and I respect that you all try to analyze these shows. I enjoy very much reading your comments.
    7) If people had suspicions of me being a troll, then why did everyone participate in my commentary? Why didn’t you guys just ignore me hoping that I would leave.
    8) I can critically think; I speak 3 languages fluently;I have a degree in mathematics;I graduated with honors from both hs and college! I am a mathematician! I have developed excellent critical thinking skills.
    9) I conceded to the fact that my dislike towards BF was not based on any evidence; I now know that I was ‘wrong’ to express a hurtful opinion of a popular HW here.
    1o) Why would I spend time writing a commentary on another housewife’s book? Why would I take the time to read a book, write a review and then tweet it to Cat?
    11) I have stated numerous times that I love this blog.

    I just feel hurt that I am being accused of being a Jill Zarin accomplice.

    • VincenzoNewYork says:

      the sun glasses are not supposed to be there. lol.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I think you are exactly who you say you are.

    • Olivia says:

      Vincenzo, just step back a little and consider that it was you who kept inserting the Lisa/Jill meme into the blog. This is what causes the confusion.

      As an intelligent person surely you can see why anyone would be suspicious when the blog is clearly titled as “I Hate Jill Zarin”. To my knowledge, there is no one on this blog interested in the “redemption” of either one.

      As for Bethenny, you are free to express your comments but if you yourself admit that you have not bothered to watch the episodes then it has to be difficult to follow the thread. Some here are avid fans, others more objective.

      The point again is that if these “Housewives” offer themselves up as some template of admiration, then they must be prepared to take the slings and arrows that follow. It goes hand in hand.

      • VincenzoNewYork says:

        Ty for being a mediator @ Olivia. I really like you!

        I just like Lisa Wexler’s’ radio show. I am able to pick up the signal on the radio because I live on LI. I also can listen to it on the internet. On her show, she discusses politics, and issues that are effect Americans, NYers, and residents of Connecticut. I just happen to enjoy Lisa’s discussion and finally decided to read their book.
        Notice how I said that some of the advice I would not agree with, and I would never endorse advice that I deem unneccessary to the general population, or that is in poor taste.

        I am sorry if my adoration of the Kamen sister’s orchestrated all of these accusations. I have a right to defend myself in the question of my identiy.

        I may continue to post as I normally do, but I really have to consider it during the NY season.

        • LavaLady says:

          As I said to you before, Vin. I have never had an issue with you ever. I have always enjoyed your posts, and it never bothered me that you were a fan of JZ. Today, I just felt that your post toward Bethenny was out of line, and we had a good discussion about it. I feel it was out of character for you, but you have addressed it above in your #9, so I am really done with this topic. I think you should continue to post, most people here are open minded, and willing to discuss most issues.

        • Olivia says:

          Vincenzo, the NYC season is one we have ALL been waiting for since last Summer! The other shows were just token “fillers” in the interim.

          You can’t possibly want to leave us when we are just getting warmed up? The snark is fast and as flowing as the Pinot Grigio that makes its way down Ramona’s gullet.

          You won’t want to miss it. I guarantee.

        • California35 says:

          I have a question –

          You mentioned before that you were just starting to watch the old seasons of NY….have you catch up yet? Many of us were okay with Jill at the begining…

          • Sha2000 says:

            CALI,
            I’ve watch NY since episode 1 premiered…I have formed NO opinion favorable or disfavorable of J…that’s something to consider, not everyone is outraged by her. What now 4 seasons watching? And I am unmoved. Is she a villain or not? I don’t know and I don’t label, I just watch. Now I think the difference is that some have watched her on twitter, interviews, fb, whatever and are intrigued by whatever the back story maybe be and have deemed as hypocritical, some of us do not follow her that closely. I know about the “Amazongate” and I for one find it sad that she felt the need to do that. Point is not all of us are obsessed with her every move, even TG as disgusting as being $11 million in debit & only reporting $79k in income is, again not all of us are outraged we just see it as ridiculous. For the record the HW I dislike the most was Quinn (OC 1 season only thank the lord), and because she was as boring as hell.
            Different people have different reactions & Vinny has a right to say what he feels.

        • Nancy says:

          Vin,
          How would you like it if someone here said they don’t like Lisa but didn’t listen to her show? It seems like you are using this blog for secondary gain.

      • twoile says:

        @ “O” ITA, it is fine that V likes the “K” trio no prob, however logically it doesn’t compute that V reiterates same so often & not expect some backlash. I didn’t think he was a troll, but I can see that some of his comments would lead some to that conclusion, my tact is to breeze past as I find it anoying 2 b told how wonderful etc . At this juncture I’m not interested in anything “K” 4 all of the obvious reasons I’m here at IHJZ, a place of reasonableness, respect, insight & of course some controversy et al. Thanks to Lynn and the tone she has established “V” is welcome even if we all do not agree.PEACE:)

    • nancy says:

      Vince, the great idea behind Lynn’s blog is that, with respect, we all get to agree to disagree if we want. I have always valued your postings. Please continue to do just that. I have never felt like you were Jill or her trolls. You have my respect.

    • klmh says:

      Please don’t take this blog so seriously Vincenzo. You have made some valid points on many occasions.
      You have a positive outlook on so many things and I think people were taken aback when you criticized Bethany. Being so open with your feelings for JZ and then allowing some negativity in your post I suppose just put people off.
      A lot of us are older and have experienced family issues that you haven’t dealt with, and some are just trying to point them out to you. At least that’s what Im seeing for the most part. Some here will call anyone who doesn’t agree with them JZ, and I was accused of that as well when I first began to post. They are best left alone and are not worth worrying about, imo.
      I enjoy your uplifting posts for the most part and hope you continue to write, but taking this blog to heart isn’t healthy. With age comes wisdom and we can all agree to disagree. You have added to these conversations and I hope you continue to do so…

      • HD says:

        1.You were shocked that Bravo would put family drama on TV? Flip to any channel. Family Drama now makes up most of TV.
        2.We understand you liked Jill and tweeted to her.
        3.How long have you watched the show? Although we all are just sharing opinions they are based on watching these shows since their inception.
        4.Jill deleted you for YOU tweeting something that YOU wanted to. What does that say about the type of person she is? She is an adult and so are you. You don’t have to like the same people yet she deletes you. Check your definition of friendship.
        5.I am well aware that you are not Jill.
        6.I understand now that you watch all the shows. Having said that the blog was birthed out of a dislike for Jill and her scandalous ways. That will ALWAYS be the undercurrent of the blog.
        7.I never thought you were a troll. Please let’s not start whipping out degrees and achievements. I am sure people here would have a laundry list, myself included of degrees, honors, achievements, etc. While that is all great , this is a BLOG no one has to have a Ph.d to come here and give an opinion.
        8.To be a mathematician you SKIPPED NUMBER 8.
        9.It was not “wrong” to express an opinion but an opinion rooted in something tends to hold more weight here. I have learned on this blog you better have evidence or you can forget it. So I am very clear when I put something out on the board.
        10.I don’t know why you took time to blog about Cat’s book. What does that have to do with anything?
        11.I am glad you love the blog. It is a great place. We laugh, we cry, we agree, we disagree and we get up and do it all over again each day.
        I am sorry you are hurt. Be assured offenses WILL come. This is a guarantee. It is how we deal with the offense that makes the difference. We do not all have one mind so we are not all going to agree and get along all the time. People have been pissed off at me and one even left because of me. There is nothing I can do about that because something I said was taken the wrong way. This is a blog. We will disagree at times and that is okay. That makes life so wonderful, the great and vast differences.

      • Olivia says:

        Agreed. I am a lifelong feminist and I find that these women have set the movement back about 50 years! As annoying as they are, they amuse me to no end with their superficiality.

        Imagine addressing an assembly of young women on the verge of a career and admitting that you have found your life’s work on a “step and repeat” runway?

        Can that not encourage someone to laugh out loud?

    • California35 says:

      I appreciate that you took the time to explain yourself. I was expecting that, and was hoping you didn’t just get mad. I was expecting an explanation because ,as I said before, I notice that you usually explain yourself and I like the way you do.

      I added to one of the posters because I do wonder sometimes why we have to read so much good stuff about someone we don’t care about. At the same time, I didn’t bother to argue with you about it because ONE you are entitle to your opinion, TWO you are welcomed by many and THREE because I don’t really explain myself or write as well to hold a “fight” (maybe wrong word).
      I admit that I do ignore some of your posting when it is just too much of Jill…but I do like to read the other stuff you write about, and that is when (if I am around) will comment.

      By the way – you always manage to get people to talk to you, and I think that is a good sign that you are liked here.

      Let’s move on — I am B’s fan and you are not…you are J’s fan and I am not —

      • VincenzoNewYork says:

        @ty Cali- you write really well! Never limit your potential!! Always support yourself. I was supposed to be a teacher, and I would never limit one’s potential.

      • LavaLady says:

        Your last sentence says it all, Cali.

    • Sparkles says:

      Vincenzo,
      FWIW, I may not always agree with you, but I do think you are sincere.

      BTW, I don’t hate Jill but I’m not a fan either. I’m not really a fan of any HW on a personal level. I just watch the show for entertainment. Most of the HWs are too materialistic and narcissistic for me.
      Peace. 🙂

  50. Katie (aka kats2) says:

    Where to begin. . .

    Oh Vinny you are totally blinded by Jill Zarin. But that’s Ok, you do have the right to like and defend who you like and have your opinion but you should be ready to stand and defend it and not run away complaining that you got attacked. I can see Bethenny annoys people but some of the stuff you said was not only harsh about Bethenny but as a female I really found some of the stuff pretty offensive. I wasn’t born in the 1950’s but reading some of your comments made me think that you were. It was sad to read that someone as young as you are has such a twisted and old fashion view of women. I don’t think if Bethenny was Billy you’d be making the same comments.

    This little nugget –

    “We can do it all, but not all at once.” Who are you or Jill to give anyone this crappy advice? And sorry but I’m going to pull my female card here, but I don’t think any man should be giving any females advice on when and if she decides to have a family and also work just as hard at her career all at the same time. What should Bethenny do wait until Bryn is in college to build her business? Jill unsuccessfully tried convincing Bethenny of this (said it at one of the reunions and Bethenny quickly slapped it down. I also think it was one of her stupid Jewish Mother lessons in that insipid book). If women waited for the right convenient time to do anything they would never leave their homes. Would you give this advice to Donald Trump, Nate Berkus, Ricky Martin? Why can’t Bethenny do it all when she wants and how she wants? She is physically, mentally, and financially stable and obviously able to make it happen.

    And this –
    “I really think she used him just to have a ‘husband’ and a baby, and that is all.”

    News flash – women just like gay men do not have to “have a husband” to have a baby. Females do not have to get married to be whole or complete. They can actually go to school to get an education and not just look for a husband.

    And This –
    “We also have no idea what Bethenny is capable of in ‘attack’ mode, I’m sure she will behave in far more vicous ways than Jill could ever muster.”

    We watched Bethenny handle the vile behavior of Jill and Kelly pretty dam well so I think this is wishful thinking on your part. Considering the attempt by Jill and Kelly to purposely set out to hurt and harm Bethenny I can say with no doubt at all that based on what I watched Bethenny handled herself very well. Bethenny has been pushed and pulled by these evil women and has kept herself in check.

    I had my own rant about B today, I watched the show last night it yes certain things annoyed me, but let me be clear there is no comparing these two women. Bethenny is flawed and is annoying me lately. Jill is evil and nasty and we don’t know if she’s changed or learned from her mistakes. And Vinny you don’t know either. We won’t know until we watch the next season. All we have to base our opinions on is what we watch and hear for ourselves. Jill’s own actions and awful behavior made me not like Jill, get it?

    Now ladies please step away from the computer, put on your apron and make sure your hot dinner is ready for when your hubby and bread winner walks in the door, you know he worked hard today, you will get your chance to have a career later.

    • quincyil says:

      I have always worked, but I try to have that dinner on the table.

      I think Bethenny has issues, we all do. She is sharing with us as she has a reality show.

      I love Vince and I hope he continues posting here. If you write your opinion and someone disagrees, it doesn’t mean we don’t like you. It means, we disagree with that opinion.

      If you have communication with Lisa Wexler as you have written here on this board, that’s great too. I hope Jill Zarin keeps her email promise to you and allows you to be her twitter member.

      Q

      • Katie (aka kats2) says:

        HW stuff we will always disagree. I was more personally offended at the limited thinking and opinion of women in some of the comments.

    • Di says:

      Katie,
      Wow…you said everything I thought while I was reading V’s posts. I was offended in exactly the ways you described…. as a women with a career, a husband and kids.

      I can have it all, and I thank heavens I have a partner for a husband and I don’t have a man who expects to be served or drive to see his mom every other weekend 🙂

      I really don’t give two craps who likes Jill and hates Bethenny. That is all. Thanks for putting it into words for me!

      • Katie (aka kats2) says:

        You are welcome! I work in sales and I’m on a team of 20 there are only 2 females (I’m one of them). Never found the right guy so did not got married or accepted the three proposals, never felt I had to get married (others did and just didn’t get it). If and when I want kids I’ll make it happen with or without the husband, we’ll see – anything is possible because I know I can have it all.

        It’s astonishing to me how differently women still get treated and with or without knowing it how insulting men can be.

        • Di says:

          So true. It’s so important to know your own worth, my dear dad taught me that. I had a very similar background as yours. I waited until I found the right one (mid 30s) and got the family and it all worked out. And no I didn’t use or trap him to have kids, but in my case, much like Bethenny’s, if you wait you gotta get on the kid thing sooner than if you marry at 20. Never regretted it.

    • kmuellfa says:

      +1

    • Cusi77 says:

      Lol!

    • Nancy says:

      Thanks for the advice but I have a BIG problem…I don’t know how to cook!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      WTH – where are my pearls?! I can’t cook dinner without my pearls!! My bottomline – everyone has the right to shoot for the stars and no one has the right to tell them which stars are off limits.

    • Adgirl says:

      @ Katie LOVE your commentary!

      “you will get your chance to have a career later” … You mean when my hubby dumps me for the newer model or I am too old/late to make headway at my career?

    • MichellefromNY says:

      Couldn’t agree more. I have a loving husband, a beautiful baby boy, and a wonderfully successful career. I have it all and I find nothing wrong with being who I am in the relationship.

  51. VAgirl (formerly VABroad) says:

    Whew! After reading today’s blog, I am exhausted! Really enjoyed your pictures from NY, Lynn!

    Just to add my two cents. If you don’t watch a particular show or episode, i.e., BEA, HWM, HWOC, etc, please don’t comment on it based on what you read on the blogs, either this one or any others. As you can easily see, everyone has a different take, even though they’ve watched the same episode. How can you have an opinion on something you haven’t even seen? I don’t get it. IMO, BEA is what it is, like it or not. I just don’t see the “realness” in any of the other housewives series. Sorry, I just don’t. They are mostly all about parties, shopping, who can one-up the other one, who is more important, who has the most influential friends, pitting one against the other, vanity (i.e., plastic surgery), vacations, etc. Doesn’t mean I don’t watch them, but let’s be honest, BEA is different from the others and to me, that’s refreshing.

    • nancy says:

      TMZ reporting that MICHAELE kicked out of Celeb Rehab

      • Mimisfbay says:

        You are quite the source of dish! Wow, where did you read this?

        • nancy says:

          TMZ. Not much of a computer person so I don’t know how to give you the link. Just go to “TMZ online”

      • MickeyMouth says:

        Maybe she was invited 😉

      • Imseasquared says:

        This is why I LOVE this website so much. I KNEW that somebody here would make a comment on this!!! (And yes I am mostly a lurker who doesn’t bother commenting much because everybody here has already expressed what I was going to say!)

        When I first read that she was on Celebrity Rehab I was appalled at the level those two had taken their famewhoredness to. Kudos to Dr. Phil for seeing through her BS!

    • Nancy says:

      Well said!

  52. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    I Still Love Bethenny & her new family one & all.
    I still hate the things JZ does & her family one & all. Not Ally of course.
    I am feeling much better. Thank you all. Just happened to peek in & read & was amazed at what I saw.
    Peace Love & Hugs To Lynn & Q & Lynn Family Whom I Love Dearly..
    Thank you all for helping me through this. Could not have done it without you & you are the sweetest & kindest people I have met in a long time.
    Going to lay down after I read a bit more.

  53. error404 says:

    Great blog!

    I’m so happy you enjoyed NYC!

    It’s true about all the stores of one type all lumped together on a street or a neighborhood, but that’s because the bulk of the sales are wholesale driven. Like most things Jill, she really talks up the customer service and storefront aspect of ZF, but it is/was/and always will probably be a discount fabric house that relies on bulk orders from hotels, colleges, etc.. to survive, not a family friendly place you wander into on weekends to buy throw pillows. She really is full of it.

    I like the whole “diamond district”, “fashion district”, etc.. aspect of NYC, especially since there also exists the opposite issue… pretty much every single block in the entire city has a bodega, a laundromat, and a green grocer in it, so that they all become almost interchangeable. Walking long blocks can start to feel like one of those Hanna-Barbera cartoons where the characters run past the same 3 stores over and over again on a loop. lol

    • quincyil says:

      Long time, no see… I’m really glad you are back.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      LOL So true, we walked for blocks and blocks and went past fruit stand after fruit stand, they all looked alike! 🙂 Welcome Back Error, don’t leave us like that again ok? xo

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      I always wondered if she fixed up the store front to look like they do interior designing, etc – JZ’s high end fantasy trip when its really just bolts and bolts of get a good deal fabric, now being crowded out by boxes and boxes of the moldy book….

    • Sha2000 says:

      “It’s true about all the stores of one type all lumped together on a street or a neighborhood, but that’s because the bulk of the sales are wholesale driven.”

      Hi Error…
      A little history, the Lower East side (technically not considered China Town although right next to) where Zarin’s is has it’s fabric’s houses because many European immigrants opened them there generations ago & many like Zarin’s still exist. It’s become an area people are use to going to so new ones open there too. Yes there are other fabric places elsewhere in Manhattan but that’s the fabric district; like there’s a flower district, etc.

  54. klmh says:

    Lynn, I loved the pics, especially the one in front of Zarin Fabrics. I hope you frame it and put it on the wall, maybe even blow it up, stick it on the door, and use it as an entry into one of your bathrooms?

  55. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    I just told Allan I think young 24 yr old Vinny is old I don’t how old JZ.
    JMHO
    See you in the morning sweet peas.

    • Mimisfbay says:

      Hope you feel better!

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      I have also wondered that.

      I think because Vince’s first language is Italian and he learned to speak English from a textbook, oftentimes his writing style is somewhat stilted and older.

      His precise vocabulary ***could*** be because he’s much older than he claims…or it ***could*** be because he learned to write English in a classroom located in Italy.

      At this point, really none of us “know” who any of us are, so I pretty much take people at face value. Vince says he’s 24…ok by me.

      • quincyil says:

        Not true, I met Lynn and she met me. We had a lovely day in Chicago laughing and it was like we had known each other for years. …..

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          oh OK. YOU met Lynn. I still stand by my statement.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I agree with OMIB although

            Of course I believe that Quincy and Lynn are who they say they are- as do I with WSL.

            I know I am who I am ….and I have the scars to prove it.

            I just don’t get why “Vince” would be a fabrication.

            From the get go, he plainly stated he was a JZ fan although he enjoyed Lynn’s blog.
            Why wouldn’t he- as this whole time we have said time and time again that this really isn’t a ‘hate’ blog and isn’t not always about JZ.

            He got blocked from JZ because he followed Lynn. We all know she does that.

            He received a warm reception from Lisa- who none of us have had an issue with (her son is another story) and from various accounts seems to be a hard working, intelligent and decent person.

            The email got forwarded to Jill and she contacted him- and from updates she never followed through on her promise to unblock him.

            For whatever reason, he likes JZ. I can’t pretend to understand it..but there it is. Tons of people also bought that violent shrew TG’s book- I can’t imagine why but they did.

            What would the the goal of Vinny posting here for the amount of time he did…the whole time admitting he was a hurt fan of JZ’s…only to at this point still be a hurt fan of JZ’s who also zinged Bethanny a few times.

            I don’t get it (shrug). I find it easier just to take people at their word. Sure I could be a two ton man with greasy hair who likes Star Wars- but I am not. I am who I say I am….but what difference would it make. It wouldn’t alter anyone’s else’s life.

            But if anyone in South Orange county wants to verify me, I think Lynn has me email. We can meet up and go for DRINKS. How about at Villa Blanca 🙂

            • quincyil says:

              Lynn and I are willing to fly from Ohare to LAX for that verification procedure.

              Will Lisa be there?

              • Rabble Rouser says:

                John Wayne Airport is closer

                Lisa who? Is that Wax Diva’s real name?

                But if there is any question about who I am, a while ago I friend requested Lynn of face book. I can request you if like.

                • quincyil says:

                  Lisa Vanderpump, the owner of Villa Blanca.

                  LOL..

                  I don’t use my facebook for anything other than looking at my granddaughter’s photos and videos.

                  I’d love to go to that restaurant. I will pay for our lunch.

                  • Rabble Rouser says:

                    Duh- Vanderpump! I forgot- I’ll get a hold of Giggy and see what he says.

                    And to edit, I meant TLD not Wax Diva. If any of you all get out this way, there’s a few of us Cali bunch.

  56. OneMoreInBoston says:

    Wow. What an amazing Blog today! Wow…

    okay that’s all I got.

  57. Adgirl says:

    Sorry to be weighing in late on the Jill vs Bethenny – who’s the biggest bish.

    1. Jill has made it a point to hurt or control people by ruining their ability to earn money (you know – their livelihood). Exampples: Amazongate, refusing to film with certain people, demanding other cast members do the same, writing fraudulent nasty reviews about their books to discourage sales, leaking rumors of firings and alcohol abuse to the press etc.
    That is UNFORGIVABLE in my book. Bethenny, to my knowledge, has never done any of that.

    2. Vince – I sense some creeping fameworship of Jill by you. That possibly you are earning your “Jill point”s on this blog to gain an invitation into her circle.
    That’s OK with me. I’m just saying it’s pretty amusing that you may be using Lynn’s blog as an entree to becoming Jill’s intern/facebook updater.

    • Nancy says:

      You forgot her trying to ruin Ramona’s Tru Renewal launching etc…

      • Nancy says:

        And Luann’s book reading etc…

        • Nancy says:

          And…

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            Okay- everything you said it true but I think all of the housewifes have admitted to playing these games of potential financial warfare with each other.

            No one thought Alex or Simon brought anything to the show the first season and wondered why they were there.

            Bethanny didn’t want to film with Kelly

            Ramona made comments about JZ’s thing with Kodak.

            I don’t think any of them at this point are above getting down and dirty with each other and resorting to these sort of tactics.

            Some of them might have ‘cleaner’ hands than others- but I don’t think anyone has clean hands.

      • Adgirl says:

        I forgot my notes.

  58. Sha2000 says:

    My sweet aunt who unknowingly spams me with email, just sent me a good on so I’ll share it.

    An Obituary printed in the London Times – Interesting and sadly rather true.

    Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
    – Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
    – Why the early bird gets the worm;
    – Life isn’t always fair;
    – and maybe it was my fault.

    Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don’t spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

    His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

    Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

    It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant.

    Common Sense took a beating when you couldn’t defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

    Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

    Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife, Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility, and by his son, Reason.

    He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
    I Know My Rights
    I Want It Now
    Someone Else Is To Blame
    I’m A Victim

    Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

  59. OneMoreInBoston says:

    well, I found someone who can say it all much better than me:

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      and just for shits and giggles:

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        I CAN’T STOP:

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          okay this is it- it’s officially out of my system:

          • Sha2000 says:

            Met her once OneMore through my boss, she was a lovely woman, very nice & polite…she explained to me what she did for a living because she said I was probably to young to know who she was & her work. Very sweet lady, may she RIP.

            • OneMoreInBoston says:

              wow- really?!?! I just love her- these performances were live- and the quality of the sound is just amazing- so professional.

              The last one “you was right baby” she is just so sexy but so natural- you almost forget what a beautiful woman looks like without all of the fillers and implants -LOL

          • boston02127 says:

            What is it? Who is it? All I can see is black squares. My comp stinks.

    • Katie (aka kats2) says:

      I Love It!

  60. I’m reading upthread criticisms of Bethenny, and while I understand them, I totally disagree. Bethenny’s relationship with her husband and her in-laws reminds me very much of my own. I’m the “high maintenance and difficult” wife that Bethenny is. But like Bethenny, my husband and I are both aware of it and are open and honest about it. Jason reminds me very much of my husband. He is sweet and understanding and really takes care of me. Thank god I found him because I don’t know if anyone else would put up with me lol. I don’t think Jason is being manipulated, I’m sure he knew from day one what he was getting himself into, but because he loves Bethenny, it’s worth it. That’s what my husband says when I asked him why he would marry someone as high maintenance as me.
    In terms of my in-laws, they feel that they need to see their grandson every day, even if it inconveniences me and my family’s needs. Right after I gave birth, I felt very suffocated when all I wanted was to be alone because I was in such pain and my in laws kept pushing to see me and my son. Honestly, their pushiness made me feel less comfortable traveling fifty miles every weekend like they wanted in order to see their grandson. I think Bethenny is merely trying to establish boundaries so that she can feel comfortable with her in-laws. I had to do the same thing and thankfully they have backed off and I’m not only happy to visit them when it’s time to, but I’m also excited. Don’t forget, Bethenny is also really busy and feeling like she has to go all the time to the Hoppy’s is not fair for her.
    Also, for those who argue why can’t jason take bryn to her in-laws, as a new mom like Bethenny, I would never let my husband take my son away even for a day trip. It’s not an option. I’m very attached to Levi as I assume Bethenny is to Bryn. It’s one thing if there’s a babysitter while I’m at work when I have the option of seeing him when I come home, it’s completely different if my husband has to cross state lines to get into Jersey to bring Levi while I have no control of when I can see him.
    All I’m saying is while Bethenny is far from perfect, I can admire her for the fact that she’s open about how difficult she is and she’s open about her wants and desires. As a new mom still trying to please the in-laws, it’s very hard to explain how you feel when you’re scared to insult them.

  61. boston02127 says:

    I wonder what Kelly the tastemaker & former model thought about Bethenny being in the top 25 best dressed in NYC.

  62. Katie (aka kats2) says:

    OT – I’m really not familiar with drugs at all so this question is legit – Exactly what kind of drugs would make a person act the way Charlie Sheen is acting right now?

    He is nonstop rambling, he looks like he lost weight, he is sweating (skin looks clammy).
    He claims he’s clean so is this detox or is he still using?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Interesting question – no idea what he is on now. It might be what was he on and what are the lasting effects. Alcohol damage may also be involved. His nose looks like cocaine was once used too much. And he may have mental and/or psychological issues. His family is saying nothing which is also very interesting. Since he can’t get Chuck Lorrie to respond to him he is now going after Jon Cryer and ranting about the mulitmillion dollar film career awaiting him. It is sad to see him self destruct in such a public manner.

      • Katie (aka kats2) says:

        Yes and with the people around him I wouldn’t be surprise if his urine drug test he’s passing is actually someone else urine. His family is very quiet, happy the kids are all out of the house. I wonder if there is nothing the family can do, he’s an adult who claims he is fine.

    • Nancy says:

      This is what my addictionologist husband says, in his all-too-technical way:
      Charlie has pressured speech, flight of ideas & other signs of hypomania, if not full-blown mania (the difference being whether one is or is not in touch with reality). This is the “up half” of bipolar (affective) disease. This can be a direct effect of stimulant drugs like cocaine or methamphetamine, but more likely is a sign of underlying psychiatric disease, in this case perhaps triggered by recent stimulant drug use.
      In most cases when one quits stimulant drugs, there is a slowdown in many psychomotor functions that almost looks like depression. However, in some cases a phenomenon called “kindling” develops where stimulant drugs seem
      to cause prolonged “opposite” effects like anxiety or even mania/hypomania. This may be what’s happening to Charlie, underlying psychiatric disease being triggered by drug use.

      • Katie (aka kats2) says:

        Wow thanks, not sure I understand all that but appreciate you and the hubby answering my question, let me read it again 🙂

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I bet you are proud of your husband 🙂

        One of the things I love about this place, is that there are so many people with different back grounds and areas of knowledge. Beneath the petty differences, everyone hear (that I have sensed) is a good person who brings so much to the table.

        If you get the chance to prob him further, can you asked him after Charlies plus 20 years of drug use even if he stays clean…can he ever be normal again or the synapses f-ed up forever now?

        I see him (if he stays clean) like Gary Busey or Ozzie Osborne.

        He’s just never going to be right.

        I also have to wonder if maybe somewhere along the line he didn’t contract syphilis and do even more neurological damage.

        • Nancy says:

          RR,
          Hubby is on call tonight but will answer your questions tomorrow. And yes I’m very proud of him.

  63. Katie (aka kats2) says:

    OT – Top Chef – do not click on the following link just in case it will spoiler it for you. Richard Blais just tweeted this. But I’m not convinced it doesn’t give something away.

    RichardBlais
    Is This a Top Chef All-Star Spoiler? [Answer: Probably Not] eater.cc/gJveKC via @Eater

    http://eater.com/archives/2011/03/07/is-this-a-top-chef-allstar-spoiler.php

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Why?Because Mike looks like he is in the middle? I don’t know.

      Mike’s one of those people I love and hate at the same time.
      He reminds me of my drunk, loud, obnoxious but fun and loyal to the core guy friends I used to hang out with before I was married and moved to SoCal.

  64. Nancy says:

    Lynn,
    You Have to send that picture of you in front of Zarin Fabric’s to Jill. If you don’t want to I’ll do it. It is just too funny. Opportunities like that just don’t come along twice in a life time. Please let me?! I’ll even buy a “pretty” frame.

    • Nancy says:

      I’m soo stupid…of course Jill has seen the picture she goes to this site at least 32 x’s a day. Sorry I won’t bother you ever again re “The Picture”. But I will be framing it to display in my living room.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      LMAO Nancy! I think if she hasn’t seen it yet, she will soon. Her “team of unpaid interns” troll the blogs and twitter for her and I’m sure they’ll wear a cup when they show that photo to her 🙂

      • Nancy says:

        You’ve just made my night Lynn. Thanks now you need to go to bed. I’l feeling guilty about the amount of time you spend making our lives better. Night, night.

  65. error404 says:

    saw BEA tonight. I love it cause it’s like the anti-housewives. It’s so totally the opposite of real housewives. Instead of average people trying to make themselves seem so much better than they are, it’s a famous couple acting all like regular folk.

    I don’t get Jason. For someone suppossidly so easy going, he’s shockingly inflexible and stubborn. When they were on the roof top and he was all like “I want to spend every single holiday with my family because that’s normal” I wanted to slap him. Both me and DH are from big families we’re close with, and over a 10 year period we’ve certainly seen a lot of our families, but…. Do you know how many holidays a year we spend with family? 1.

    Sure, sometimes we end up spending 2 or 3 a year, but then other years we didn’t spend any. There’s no general rule and I resent the implication and I am not “normal” because I am not just like the Hoppys. Not all of us can be lucky enough to have Will Shuster wanna-be hair! lol

  66. Katie (aka kats2) says:

    Link to Charlie Sheens live broadcast should be starting shortly

    http://www.ustream.tv/charliesheen

    • Imseasquared says:

      Just logged into the Charlie Sheen trainwreck/live broadcast. How telling is it that he is showcasing Camille Grammer’s favorite book “The Art of War”?

  67. WindyCityWondering says:

    After reading Bethenny’s blog – I’m not very happy with Jason at the moment.
    He tells her not having family is not normal, which hurts her feelings. In the conversation about taking Bryn to his parents’ house without her and the get her therapist to “fix her” on the whole visit/boundries issue I am seeing him as someone who is just as damaged as she is (for different reasons) but who is afraid to even entertain that his normal is not normal to others. Bethenny wants to work on this, Carol wants to work with her on this. It seems that Jason wants to please his parents at the expense of Bethenny’s feelings. Overall, I really like Jason but this issue is being put on Bethenny unfairly – she is his wife and a new mother. She isn’t asking him not to see his parents every two/three weeks – she is asking for time to build and celebrate their new family together as well.

    • Laura says:

      My ex husband and I clashed BIG time over family and traditions. I came from spending every holiday together with family and extended family, big dinners etc…he saw his mother maybe twice a year. Once we got married, we had twins and at that point, his mother wanted us around every second. It really put a strain on our marriage and it was amongst one of the reasons why we ended up divorcing. I was used to waking up Christmas morning, opening wrapped presents….he was used to opening unwrapped presents on Christmas Eve….Neither one of us could compromise enough to make the other happy….we were young and dumb.
      Hopefully Bethenny and Jason can figure this all out and succeed. They are so good together but I don’t believe in staying together just for the sake of the kids. Two parents together, constantly fighting and stressing is not better than two parents, apart that are happy and unstressed….

  68. Nancy says:

    Jill is obviously on my #%&! list right now (because of her last interview) so I keep remembering the awful things she’s done. What came to mind is this…
    Remember way back when Jill hosted the charity (arthritis) event and she had a tantrum when she saw all of Bethenny’s signage at the bar? She made them take a lot of it down when she knew it was too late to get any other sponsors to fill that spot. My question is WHY? Why didn’t she just let Bethenny have it? It was so mean. I think it was that day which was of no return. Agree?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Considering the booze was free and the sponsors expected their products be featured and that Jill knows how that all works – it was rude on her part. And the whole where is Ramona’s credit card was nasty too.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Because she was being a bitch..and then she turned it around and tried to blame it on Ramona for trying to put a bug in her ear.

      I think she didn’t like that it promoted Bethanny’s brand….she felt like she was getting a freebie and one over on her.

      • Nancy says:

        Oh ya she even wanted a picture on the “step & repeat”.
        She has NO shame what so ever.

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        Just to be clear, it was JZ who was being the bitch.

        • lillybee says:

          Especially when she said Ramona was lying about the credit card. I think that is when my full blown hate started.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            JZ was like a maniac that night- she seemed paranoid like everyone was out to cheat her and rip her off. Especially she she directed it at those who worked hard along side her and make numerous contributions to the cause.

            I think I would have told her to kick rocks.

    • California35 says:

      I thought so too SPECIALLY because they were friends, like really good friends. Why did she off like that? I was so surprised…because we had seen how she acted with other or to others, but not with her “friend”.

      I also have the most resent interview in mind, long time has passed since everything happened (NYHW’s fights and “apologies” ). She blamed other things on what we see on the show…now all this time later…she says that in the interview??? Ay

  69. justanothermary says:

    Hi all – justanothervirg has once again taken the time to update me on the posts on here – WOW.
    Lynn: I love that you got a pic of yourself in front of Zarin Fabrics – priceless.
    Vince: I too have often thought a lot of your Jill love was suspect. In thinking about it, I think the thing that makes me feel that way is the fact that you seem to have some pretty strong feelings about Bethenny that are unfavorable, although she has done nothing to you (like block you on Twitter) and you don’t watch the show. This would be fine if you didn’t seem to have blinders when it comes to Jill. For the record, I find Bethenny’s whining very annoying and am about ready to simply stop watching her so it’s not that I’m a Bethenny fan. Having blinders like that and the ability to excuse Jill makes you sound very Jill-like.

  70. California35 says:

    I’m so glad the current blog is the one of BEA! I am watching it right now.

    How can people not laugh when this show is on, I’m constantly laughing. Like when the nurse was hitting on the sound guy…among other things.

    I’m glad to see the backstage of RR and the makeover..

    I felt so bad for B – she is trying to communicate and be a good wife and have good family. I hear what she is saying, and I understand. The therapist did tell her not to bring it up because they need to work on that first. I got that also, maybe she will talk less about it and get better at handling or being ok with it all. RR also gave her some good advice.

    • California35 says:

      Oh and other thing, I do like Jason and love the way things are between them… But when she said that he probably tells people that she doesn’t understand because she didn’t have one, I thought he was going to say that he would not say that….instead he said yes…I was like woooo!!! Of course I would feel the way she does. She already think that…he did apologize though and it sounded like he doesn’t mean to hurt her. He wouldn’t have known if she had not brought it up, and that is why I understand that she should continue to communicate with him abbot all of this. He will eventually understand her.

  71. Adgirl says:

    Sheen. Ugh.
    On Perez today – An except of Rosanne Barr’s blog, actually the smartess thing I’ve heard out of her in years. I have no idea if she is correct, but it is interesting.
    …………

    Here’s what Roseanne had to say about the two and a half men on her blog post entitled “Charlie Sheen Makes Me Look Sane”:

    “…this thread is for charlie sheen talk and mental illness talk. Charlie is not on drugs, though he can get them from the porn star goddesses that come and go, but his urine shows clean–i think charlie is in a manic high, and is unable to get any drugs to bring him down anymore—his tiger blood statement is from that “eye of the tiger” focus that manics have. Manics can really work hard and play hard at the same time, until they hit a wall, and then they are in bed and depressed for a long time, so they start taking drugs again to get energy to work. Charlie, take a break dude. Go to Greece, Paris, China, look at great art and lay low. you got fired, dude. anybody can do your job, really. other guys are funny and not repulsive to intelligent women, though those shit chuck lorre lines could choke a fucking horse, and render any actor who recites them stone cold soul dead. No grown man could really look himself in the mirror knowing that he delivers shit jokes and adolescent sniggering over breasts and women’s body parts lines to the Tea partier types who are big fans of Chuck’s hilarious hijinx. I fired Chuck Lorre for being a big drunk on my show, and he went on to become one of tv’s most successful writers (about dick jokes). Maybe Charlie can start producing porn movies now!! “

  72. Rabble Rouser says:

    Oh no…I just saw this…some sad news.

    Kandi’s late fiancee’s young daughter was just shot in the head and is in critical condition.

    http://www.s2smagazine.com/stories/2011/03/aj-jewells-daughter-shot-head

    • MichellefromNY says:

      that’s terrible. That actually happened to a friend of mine. She’s a young girl and was driving and cut off a driver without thinking. The driver then shoots at her car in an apparent fit of road rage. Thank god no she wasn’t hurt, the bullet just hit her back window and went out her windshield. She was very lucky but it’s scary cuz you never know what kind of crazy people are driving on the road.

    • lillybee says:

      That is horrible. I hope that she recovers.

  73. Dorothy McDougal says:

    Lynn
    I am a resident of XXXXX where you stayed. I am also a photography buff. I have some amazing pictures of you and XXXXX stalking Jill Zarin’s home and talking to the doorman. Would you like them for your scrapbook?
    I gave a nice set to the security manager of Jill’s building, I thought it only fair that you and XXX have a set in case you are staring at steel bars in the near future. Ah, the memories will get you by. Time will fly and your stalking days can continue.
    I only fear three things. Who will babysit XXXXX? What if XXX is found to be insane? How will you ever exist without beer, fried food and ciggys? Oh the irony of it.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Dear Dorothy, all of your disgusting posts that have been spammed due to your ignorance are really ridiculous. This one has to be my favorite though so I decided to allow it to be posted so people could laugh at your stupidity and so that I could respond.

      It is funny how you suddenly have photos after I posted photos of where I visited. Where was your reveal of these photos BEFORE I noted where I had visited? It was almost a week later? YES! Please send me the photos of me talking to a doorman, since I never spoke to a doorman, in fact I didn’t even see a doorman in this building, does Jill have a doorman? Maybe she does, I must have missed it. My email address is: LynnAHudson@gmail.com Send those photos! I’ll post them right here if you send them but we both know they won’t arrive because they don’t exist.

      Funny too how you claim to live in NYC but your IP comes up as Chicago…hmmm. I know a few people in Chicago.

      It’s funny how people think they know me, I in fact, don’t like beer and I don’t really drink much at all. I used to in my younger days, but wow, just have too many responsibilities now to be drinking all the time. you? I wonder how you drink so much boxed wine and still stay up until 3am…don’t you have responsibilities of your own? I guess not…I’ll be waiting for those photos….sigh…

      Last time I checked, they don’t put people in jail for taking photographs of a building but thanks for your concern. They do put folks in jail for stealing though, just sayin…

      • MickeyMouth says:

        Oooh more pictures! I want to see more from your trip!

        If taking pictures of a building is illegal, well boy am I in big trouble. I even have pictures of the White House. 😛

  74. Just another point of view says:

    OK, so I’ve read this blog intermittently for months, never posted before. Seen Vincenzo’s comments appear. My biggest question–it is stated time and time again that this is NOT A HATE BLOG. So why wouldn’t Vincenzo’s comments be OK? Why does he have to profess his hatred for Jill in order to be “accepted” by the fellow posters? Is it a pre-requisite that you must hate JZ to post comments on this blog?

    He has another point of view, and has been very respectful of all other posters, articulate, and has posted his own pic/info–not troll behavior. He happens to like JZ and not like someone many hold in high regard–but does this justify his prosecution as a Jill employee? He may have stumbled onto this blog as we all did, and decided to start posting his opinions. To me, not worthy of a campaign against him. I support his right to voice his opinion, whether or not I agree with it.

    If the reasons against V’s posts are as stated, I would categorize it as a hate blog against JZ, i.e. that you are only allowed to post if you hate JZ (and love B). My original sense was that all posters of all walks of life are allowed to post their opinions here. If this is incorrect, please disabuse me of that notion. And that age shouldn’t be a barrier (V was called about repeatedly on his young age), as to offering your opinion? I may be incredibly naive, and if he ends up being someone I didn’t expect, then my bad. I’d rather give people the benefit of the doubt.

    You all have your own opinions, but I would suggest that you give him a chance. Rant over. PS I didn’t hide under any fake emails, I just hate to see someone vilified. If I’m wrong then…I will fully admit it.

    • Just another point of view says:

      Just to clarify, I don’t actually agree with many of the things Vincenzo has said–just want to support his freedom to express his opinion without being accused of being on the JZ payroll. Done now–won’t comment further.

      • quincyil says:

        Vincent and you are welcome here. You actually gave reasons for your opinions so I would not call your post “a rant” as you described it.

        • quincyil says:

          BTW, I don’t think the email are fake. I believe Vincent when he said that he had email contract with Lisa Wexler and Jill Zarin. He shared that several times with us and on his twitter.

      • jeang says:

        My take on the posts to Vin was more to the point of his comments regarding Bethany, whom he professes to never even watch anything she is on, be it her show, facebook or twitter. Yet he adamantly defends Jill and the manner that he comments on Betheny and the phrases he used sound exactly like some of the same comments made by Jill herself. He could love and defend her as much as he wants, but when your comments about Betheny are such as his were, you have to be ready to back it up around here. He and whoever can have their jill lovefest, but around here we have heard and seen the real Jill and the only one that will ever change opinions about Jill is Jill herself. She continues to reinforce our original opinions however on a daily basis. As to his youth, I think his listings of his accomplishments, degrees etc, were pretty informative as to his age and degree of maturity. Accomplishments are all well and good, but really, you want to throw that out as a reason for anything?

        • quincyil says:

          My background in microbiology doesn’t help me when I blog “Million Dollar Listing.” LOL. Unless…Josh Flagg gets food poisoning from eating all those wonderful foods at his brokers’ opening…

          I think Vincent will come back to board eventually.

        • Noreen says:

          Well said.

    • Nancy says:

      This isn’t a hate blog. We are only writing about the things Jill has done. We aren’t making this stuff up! If you are angry about this state your case. Tell us what you disagree with and we’ll debate it. We don’t pull this information out of the sky. These are things that JILL ZARIN has done. The end!

  75. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Good morning~feeling a little better today. Creepy legs & jumpy & sinus problems but they say that is all normal. Up very early but actually slept a little last night.
    I want to say I am sorry Vincenzo. Guess it just seems strange that you would want to defend someone who has been very mean. That is why we are all here I thought because we could not believe JZ would & did those things to Bethenny.
    I find it weird too that you would not be someplace blogging where people find what JZ did on the show & behind the scenes a good thing.
    Saw BEA with Allan & he knows all about JZ from me. BEA is the only housewife show Allan can watch.

  76. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    The Real Housewives of New York City
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    Alex Mc­Cord has signed with a mod­el­ing agen­cy and couldn?t be more ex­cit­ed in this new ven­ture. Read more

  77. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Alex on myspace says she was very lucky in gene pool with both her parents being extremely good looking so that is why she is?
    Too early yet to try this one out. lol

    • HD says:

      Alex from Real Housewives?

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Yes on Myspace lol
        She just started modeling for some agency.
        I was just saying & thinking up thread a bit how many people are in complete denial about some things.
        How are you today our rising star?

        • HD says:

          Hey BaaBee. I am doing well. How are you doing? How are you feeling?

          I don’t have any feelings about Alex either way because she just seems very normal. As for her model looks…to each their own.

          • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

            Hey HD~I feel a little better~
            Back is hurting but don’t feel like flu~more like a bad cold now.
            I am a little edgy too..But I know this too shall pass. Thank you 🙂
            As you see just writing & posting short sentences lol

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I think when it comes to the parents looks being handed down to the child it could go either way. I had a woman who worked for me, who although a nice enough lady was not very attractive at all- neither was her husband.

      Their daughter however, was astonishingly beautiful- so much so when she walked into a room, you got the feeling like you were looking at a movie star.

  78. HD says:

    Yesterday was so wild I just now caught the clip of New York. My goodness. Doesn’t look like its going good for Alex. With B gone I am wondering who will be fighting to emerge as the “breakout star”?

    I am sorry to say this but I laughed so hard when Luann told Alex she had on Herman Munster shoes. Alex said, “they were Louis Vutton.” And Luann said, “even Louis Vutton makes mistakes.” TOO FUNNY!

    Well I guess I was wrong about the show being boring because all of that clip looked interesting and funny! Can’t wait until April 7!

  79. boston02127 says:

    Good morning ☼

  80. FlowerPower says:

    Good morning, everyone! Can’t wait to see what happens on the blog today 😀

  81. boston02127 says:

    All ‘Real Housewives of Beverly Hills’ Cast Are Back for Season 2
    http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00038870.html

  82. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    I just saw previews for NYC wives & I really like JZ’s hair but I still hate the theme for all these shows now.
    It seems to be all about how badly can we treat each other & it really is getting sickening to me.
    I hope everyone is having an interesting day. It sure has been one here. lol

    • quincyil says:

      Where was this preview?

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        On Bravo’s website~the preview for season 4 ~
        # 3

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Return To The Big Apple~Q

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Did you find it Q ?
        LuAnn tells someone to Zipit!
        JZ says there is nothing wrong with Kelly ;P

        • quincyil says:

          I am just getting my break…so I am going over there while I eat. Thank you Baubee. I hope you are feeling better today.

          • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

            Thank you Q~
            I just told HD it is a little hard to type these days so I am just jotting sentences & posting.
            Feel like I have a very bad cold & edgy but we will get through this.
            Hugs & Love To You All

  83. Laura says:

    Michaele Salahi – if this doesn’t give you a good laugh for the day!

    Not sure if anyone else posted this already (if they have, I apologize for the repeat)…

    Season 5 of Celebrity Rehab was supposed to include Michaele…..UNTIL…..she was booted from the show, for having NO addiction!

    What does this say about her? She’ll do/say ANYTHING to keep herself in the spotlight…what a joke!

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/08/michaele-salahi-kicked-out-of-celebrity-rehab-addiction-dr-drew-vh1/

    • Laura says:

      And I found that it was already posted….sorry for the repeat!

      • Kansas Girl says:

        Still makes me laugh, so I’m glad for the reminder!

        • Laura says:

          I can just picture her face as she’s being told she has no addiction to treat “But I doooooooooooo!” lol…what a putz!

          • HD says:

            LOL! Now how funny is this?! How are you that desperate to be on a show you create an addiction. People are truly struggling to save their lives and here she is playing around.

            Did ya’ll see one of the past members of the Celeb rehab passed away yesterday. He was the guitar player (I think) from Alice in Chains. He was found in a hotel room which always screams overdose to me but I don’t know what happened. They are performing an autopsy. He was aressted last month with drugs.

            • Laura says:

              “Desperate” being the keyword here….in a nutshell…she’s a nut! 🙂 (nice name calling is allowed, I hope!)

              I did hear that about Mike Starr from Alice in Chains. I watch anything Dr. Drew does…love Celebrity Rehab and Sober House. It really is so sad. He had made a brief appearance on the last season of Rehab, having been clean for six months and he looked sooo good. He had talked to the current people in rehab and gave them hope, he was so positive. He truly struggled with that monkey on his back and I was so sad to hear that he had died. He lost his best friend and former band mate to a drug overdose back in the early ’90s. He was with him when Layne died and he never got over that. It really drove his own addiction. I hate to hear people talk about addiction being something so easy to get over. Its just not true.

              • Rabble Rouser says:

                I do like Dr.Drew and the show(s)…but all the whole situation the involved Kari Ann really put me off. I felt like they were pandering to her which only escalated her demands and abusive behavior.
                It climaxed into her throwing vases and making racial remarks directed at a resident tech being terminated.

            • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

              HD~
              I watch that show all the time~I know the face but not the name.
              RIP~Very Sad..

  84. Dani says:

    Lynn I love all of your NYC pictures, however, the one in front of Zarin Fabrics is truly PRICELESS. Thank you so much for sharing. I hate Jill Zarin, but I love this blog and you.

  85. LMAO at the picture in front of Zarin Fabrics!
    I wish you had gotten a picture with Bobby.
    Jill would die! Lol.

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