I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of New York Review/Preview LuAnn de Lesseps

IHJZ  Real Housewives of New York Review/Preview Luann de Lesseps and A Bethenny Sighting.

Real Housewives of New York Preview LuAnn De lesseps

There short sprits of time when I can like LuAnn and then there is the rest of the time.  LuAnn thinks of herself completely differently than others view her.

She may have had a legitimate title of “Countess” while married to her husband, however, that marriage is over and this woman was born and raised in the United States.  We don’t have that title here, it means absolutely nothing here and she isn’t any different from any other person or any other housewife.

Similar to Cat from DC Housewives, Luann was divorced while filming The Real Housewives yet we did not see the couple fighting or having conflict on screen.

Similar to Kim from Atlanta Housewives, Luann recorded a song with absolutely no ability to sing and believes all the hype from people saying she sounds like Madonna.

Similar to Lynne from Orange County, Luann has a troubled teenager who uses foul language, sneaks out of her house at night and smokes pot.

Similar to NeNe from Atlanta, Luann wrote a book full of information that no one is interested in and it tanked.

Luann seems to think that she has more class, manners and etiquette than other people when in fact her passive aggressive behavior is the furthest thing from classy, she may as well be chewing with her mouth open.

Class is the ability to not only feel comfortable yourself but make others comfortable in any situation, people from any walk of life and any social, economical and ethnic background.  Class has a lot of different meanings to a lot of different people but I think we can all agree that someone who continuously tells you that they have class usually do not have any class.  Show me, don’t tell me!

Luann visited a group of girls at a Harlem YMCA and it was some of  the most awkward scenes Luann has had on screen.  She didn’t relate to these girls at all, and her comments afterward that the girls appreciated that she took time out of her busy Countess schedule to spend time with them was ridiculous.

These girls seemed bored to tears, they would much rather have been doing anything else but talking to this pompous woman.
Luann likes to take little subtle digs at people, she straightened Bethenny out for introducing her to a limo driver as “Luann” rather than “Your Royal Heiness The Countess of Nothing”.

It is interesting that Luann de Lesseps seemed to get a pass last season.  Her behavior was horrible, she was rude, gossiping and passive-aggressive on almost every episode yet because Jill Zarin’s behavior was worse, Luann probably didn’t get the criticism she deserved.

Season Three opened with Ramona’s yacht party for the girls and Luann was completely rude and attacked Ramona for something that Mario had said weeks before.  It was the wrong place, the wrong time and the wrong person to attack.

Very classy!

Luann then refused to go to Ramona’s Labor Day party, and influenced Jill not to go either.  Jill was staying with Luann in the Hamptons and Luann decided to throw a party of her own.  Knowing that Alex and Simon were going to be at Ramona’s party, Luann and Jill pressured Alex to leave Ramona’s party early and go over to Luann’s house.

At Jill’s Saks party Luann was in everybody’s business, when Ramona asked Kelly about getting her breasts done it was Luann who jumped in and tried to tell Ramona she was being inappropriate.  But the best part was Luann telling viewers in her interview that it is ok to talk about it behind their back, it is ok to whisper about it but never to their face.  Is that in your etiquette book Luann?  Talking behind people’s back is fine.  Good advice.

Luann seemed to be instrumental in keeping Jill from accepting Bethenny’s attempts at reviving their friendship.  Luann told Jill that Bethenny was toxic, that she was horrible and mean, she also pulled Jill out of the discussion at Ramona’s house.  It seems that Luann gave Jill the encouragement she needed to keep the battle going with her constant digs at Bethenny.  Bethenny was right, Luann is a snake.

Luann’s behavior was definitely snake-like at Kelly’s 100 Most Eligible Bachelor party.  When Bethenny arrived at the party, Luann accompanied Jill as she got up and walked away.  Fair enough, their last confrontation was not pleasant.  However, upon learning that Bethenny was engaged, Luann gave the most insincere congratulations and in the same breath confronted Bethenny about the snake remark.  Leaving Bethenny no option, she apologized to Luann but it was fake and insincere just as it was for Luann to offer her congratulations when it was clear she wasn’t happy for Bethenny, it was all about her getting the apology that she wanted.

I have to admit that the way her husband of 16 years left her was horrible.  This man clearly has no class and treated his wife and mother of his children with no respect.  I think that had he at least taken a few days to fly his ass back to New York to tell his wife to her face that he was leaving her would have been more appropriate.

Luann, like many single mom’s is struggling to raise teenage children who are clearly rebelling and most likely angry.  It isn’t clear whether or not these struggles will appear on screen this upcoming season, hopefully Luann had the sense and the ability to ensure Bravo omit any reference to her children.

Luann has a very high opinion of herself, she seems to think that whatever she has to say is so important that everyone should stop and listen when Luann speaks.  At the Season Three reunion Luann stopped the conversation no less than three times to say something completely irrelevant.  For example when the talk turned to Jill asking her cast mates not to film with Bethenny, Luann chimed in and made everyone stop and listen as she said that from season to season, someone (not everyone) but some of the cast have asked others not to film with “such and such”.  Wow Luann, thanks for clearing that up.  We got that from the discussion that was already underway.  She pulled the same thing announcing that the audience will never see her bedroom or her bathroom.  Who cares?

This is a woman who insists on inflicting her horrible singing voice on viewers, there is no way that she didn’t hear herself singing, she is embarrassing herself and her family.  She found a “producer” who is star-struck by her title and who is a “yes-man” and is clearly just happy to be on television no matter how ridiculous he sounds telling Luann she can sing.  I found it hysterical that Kim Zolciak said she didn’t like Luann’s song, particularly when Kim’s singing voice is just as bad, if not worse than Luann’s.

What can we expect from Luann this season, from what we’ve seen she is still on “Team Jill” even though she wasn’t horribly loyal at last season’s reunion, without Luann, Jill has only crazy Kelly.  (and possibly the new girl, Cindy)

We see in the previews Luann continues her attacks on Alex, Luann seems to follow Jill’s lead and sees Alex as weak and someone she can easily pick on.  While Alex wasn’t talking about Luann, I certainly see Luann as “A Thug in a cocktail dress”.  There is no longer subtle passive aggressive digs, she comes right out with it this season.  Pretending to have class and talking behind people’s backs is over, she’s now attacking straight to their face.

The jig is up, after eavesdropping on telephone conversations and encouraging Jill to lie to Bethenny, her gross kissing scenes with her date Courte, ridiculous singing career and her grudge against Mario that went on for months over being called “Countless” are just a few things that crushed her “class” persona, no one is buying it anymore.
I do appreciate that she isn’t continuing to push a failed book on viewers and fans of The Real Housewives of New York, unlike Jill Zarin we don’t have to hear about her book constantly.  She does continue to push herself as an “etiquette expert” which is laughable after he behavior on the show.  Luann appears on TV and writes a column in OK Magazine as an etiquette expert.  Anyone who takes her seriously hasn’t seen her in action.

Luann is a cigarette smoker, I do give her credit for keeping it off screen, unlike Kim Zolciak who can’t seem to go two minutes without blazing up a smoke.  Luann won’t be filmed or photographed with a cigarette, I applaud her for that.

This upcoming season Luann has a new man in her life, he seems to be in it for the long haul as he was introduced briefly at the end of last season, we know little about him other than he’s a wine importer.  His personality or character are yet to be revealed, I am fascinated to know more about this man who has chosen Luann de Lesseps as his girlfriend.   Is he interested in building his business?  Is he just enjoying a bit of a television appearance?  How is he with Luann’s children and how do they feel about him?  Is this a long term relationship, will this couple get married?

Luann appeared in a recent episode of Law and Order on NBC, I can only guess that since NBC is Bravo’s parent company this was forced on the people over on Law and Order as it would have aired around the same time as The Real Housewives of New York was originally scheduled to premier.


Luann told reporters that her boyfriend, Jacques Azoulay helped her to prepare or the scenes that she shot by running lines with her.  Is he really just this great guy that supports his new girlfriend or does he have aspirations of stardom as well?    What does he see in Luann de Lesseps?  Does he enjoy her condescending, passive aggressive demeanor or is he turned on by her new snarky attitude?  Does he just love the way he has to introduce her to the hired help as “Countess de Lesseps”, open doors for her and stay off his cell phone at dinner?   Is he ready to become step-father to two teenage kids and a reality personality all at the same time?  Who is this guy and is he crazy?

Based on the previews I don’t think I’m going to like Luann de Lesseps any better than I did last season, the way she speaks to Alex in some of the previews…well lets just say she gives Jill Zarin a run for her money.  I just hope she gets rid of those damn brown boots she wore on every episode.

Does Luann’s new boyfriend look like Ross from “Friends”?

Thank you to our very own LavaLady for her story after attending Bethenny’s book signing:

I did attend Bethenny’s books signing last night at Bookends in Ridgewood, NJ. My sister and I got to the bookstore around 6:15. We were told to purchase the book, and then either wait in line outside or just browse around town and come back around 7:15. My sister took a peek at the line and it was about 30 people. Since it was raining pretty hard, we got something to eat and came back to the bookstore at 7. My sister wanted to purchase another copy if the book, so while she was on line, I noticed a store employee hovering near a back exit. I quickly assumed this was the door that Bethenny would be entering through and I was right. A few minutes later, Bethennny came in wearing a pure white down coat and gold shoes. A few minutes later Julie came in. She was wearing a black down coat and bright red shoes. I could not believe how high both their heels were. They were ushered right into the manager’s office, but you could hear them talking. Bethenny’s voice sounded just about the same, maybe just a little higher than on TV.

My sister and I then joined the line outside. There were probably about 200 people in line ahead of us. By now it was sleeting very, very hard. The line started moving right at 7:30, but only about 25 people at a time could enter. I would say we were on line for about an hour. It was pretty miserable, because of the sleet. We also had thunder and lightning. I was shocked that I saw no one give up and leave the line. I really expected that. When we were about to enter, I could see many, many people behind us, probably about another 200. I was also surprised to see many people with more than one copy of the book.

We entered and went into a downstairs area of the bookstore. There was still a line, but at least we were warm and dry. We could see Bethenny in the front standing at a table. She was very friendly to everyone. You could have a picture taken and get your book signed. Julie was also visible. I saw her pose with people for picures. But you could see she was working, she was all business. Nice and friendly, but definitely not there to only socialize. She is so, so pretty in person.

When we got to the head of the line, you could see that you were not really allowed much time with Bethenny. Just enough to sign the book, take a picture and say a few words. She had a beautiful red dress on, with bright red lipstick. Her hair was down, and slightly wavy. I surprised at how fit she looked, thin, yes, but not scrawny thin, but fit thin. Once in a while she would call something out to the crowd. Mostly about the horrible weather. She felt bad people were so cold and wet waiting to see her. I would say she was very efficient in moving people through. Polite, friendly, but you could tell this was not the time for chatting away, lingering, etc.

When our turn came, Bethenny right away saw we were twins and she asked us if we were best friends. She actually asked us twice. It was kind of nice. So we got our books signed, took a quick picture with my sister’s phone and exited.

We saw a store employee on our way out and asked if they thought Bethenny’s signing was successful. They say yes, absolutely. They figured about 500 people were there, with over 500 books sold. After we left, I would guess Bethenny would have had to stay at least another hour to get through everyone on the line.

I was surprised to see many young girls waiting to see Bethenny. Group of 3 or 4 girls either HS or college aged. Of course, there were people like me, age 50 or so, and also a few couples, and a splattering of single men. But I would say the crowd was mostly young women.

So that’s my story. I think it was definitely worth it. When I got home and took off my coat I realized my sweater and jeans were wet. Also, my wallet and money. And I was pretty chilled. But all in all it was worth it. Now I have to read the book.

Thanks for sharing that with us LavaLady, here is a video on the same Bethenny sighting…


Until Next Time…

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321 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Real Housewives of New York Review/Preview LuAnn de Lesseps

  1. butterisafruit says:

    This is great Lynn. You nailed her. And LavaLady’s meeting with Bethany. I tweeted it. We should all tweet it and force Luanne to read it.

  2. Adgirl says:

    I am soooo over LuAnn being married to a “Count”.
    Especially after I read “Eiffel’s Tower” which include a lovely snippet about the original Count DeLessep’s financial schemes which ruined everyone involved.

    She needs to be interesting on her own – sans boyfriend.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Interesting about the financial scheme. I’ll have to look that up!

      Love the review & you pegged her.

      I do think it would have been better if Ramona had wondered to a friend if Kelly had had her boobs redone than to have said it at the gathering. And if someone is just venting about something about someone, it can be less damaging done behind someone’s back imo. I’ve been in groups where someone attacks & snipes just to bug or embarrass someone & nothing the “victim” could say would have resolved anything. That mean girl on the Basketball Wives comes to mind (although she’s not even a wife,so far, just a groupie sex toy).

      & I agree that the countess title is stupid, was since day one. And her motivational speeches and when she helped the job interviewee prepare bombed. Both were just an effort to make herself look better.

      I’m not sure that her husband coming to tell Lu it was over would have been any less bad. This way she gets the sympathy and another reason to be glad he’s gone.

      • humbruh says:

        Not saying what she did was right, but Ramona has always said the wrong thing at the wrong time. The woman has no filter. She says stuff & ends up having to apologize or explain herself later. It’s a horrible trait but I would take her inappropriate honesty any day over LuLu’s condescending butt smiling in my face then screwing me over behind closed doors.

  3. Adgirl says:

    It’s too late for this season … but if LuAnn had any reality star brains she would have fought with Jill season 4.

    Just saying – she is on the wrong side here and could have gained fans by breaking away from the club.

    She doesn’t even need free skqeez girdles so why does she need Jill?

    • quincyil says:

      I like Luann’s jewelry especially the turquioise. I think it looks great on her skin. She looks great in clothes.

      I don’t like the way she treats drivers and has this class thing which seems to put her on pedestle and anyone who work for her in the basement doing laundry. Americans really shouldn’t treat other Americans like this. I notice that people in Manhattan other than Luann do this too.

      • quincyil says:

        pedestal…. brain went bzzzzzt.

      • lovemamaearth says:

        I think it was you who talked of Aristotle & friendships. I hope you say more. I think it’s worth repeating in case others missed it:

        Andy Cohen is an absolute genius. I think Andy studied Aristotle’s Books VIII and IV about friendships. Andy uses the concept of friendships to create conflict. Human beings search for happiness. Aristotle described the friendships that Andy Cohen created as “imperfect friendships. They are relationships held together because each individual regards the other as a source of some advantage to the other or some pleasure he receives. These friendships are defective. and have a small claim to be called, “friendships,” because the individuals involved have little trust in each other, quarrel frequently, and are ready to call off their association abruptly.” from wikipedia: Aristotle.

        “Genuine friendships” do not exist in any of the Bravo TV series. Those friendships are based on equality and commonality. When Jill Zarin states that she and Alex are not friends, she is absolutely correct. Jill Zarin does not have a true friend on her show.

        Jill Zarin had an “unequal friendship’ with Bethenny. They were inequal in Jill’s eyes. Jill provided a home and her advice for the underdog, Bethenny. Jill received pleasure from this relationship and she wished to continue it, but Bethenny’s status changed and Jill could not adapt to the changes.

        “”A genuine friend,” according to Aristotle, is someone who loves or likes the other person for the sake of that person. Wanting good for the sake of that person is called, “good will” and friendship is reciprocal “good will.”” wikipedia Aristotle.

        The relationships in the DC series seem to the closest that we have come to genuine friendships. Lynda, Mary and Cat O seemed to have developed this type of friendship. The friendship with the Salahis was false and I don’t believe that Stacie has a true friendship with the other three.

        The relationships in NJ are familial and that are not “voluntary relationships.” The term, “philia” was used by the Greeks to describe the bond that hold family members together.

        I see no friendships in OC or in Atlanta. In both series, the women disparage the others and there is no respect. There has to be mutual respect for a friendship to thrive.

        • quincyil says:

          LOL…. When I turned on the page, I saw this and thought I was on the wrong day of the blog. rotfl…

          The Luann/Jill friendship is not genuine. Bethenny told Luann the truth at the fashion show in the beginning of season three. Jill has been gossipping about Luann with Bethenny and Ramona for years. That is why Ramona spoke on the speaker phone and said the things she said to Jill when she did not know Luann was listening in the Hamptons on that Labor Day weekend. The Countess is probably better at hiding her feelings about Jill Zarin, but you can see she doesn’t approve of some of the things Jill Zarin does. An example of this is the luncheon discussion between Luann and Jill before Jill heads off to Scary Island. Luann informs Jill that she won’t come to help her if Jill gets in trouble. Jill tells the camera that Luann just didn’t want to go to Scary Island with Ramona and that Victoria’s birthday was just an excuse. It was obvious that both women had talked about boycotting/trying to ruin Ramona’s trip, but Luann wanted to give us the impression that she wanted to be a good mom and Jill shot her down on camera. For some reason, Luann does not show her real feelings about Jill on camera. Jill is unable to contain her thoughts so we know more about her feelings.

          The Jill/Luann friendship was equal in the beginning of the show. Now, the friendship is unequal as the Countess had financial issues from the divorce. The trusts from her husband’s estate are probably protected from his wife number three. Luann is shocked by the cost of apartment leases in Manhattan. She is on a budget these days so Jill will feel superior to Luann when it comes to wealth. I think Luann was the underdog in season three. This kind of friendship works for Jill Zarin. She gets pleasure from the power that being able to offer things to another gives her. She also demands loyalty and eternal gratitude for her gifts.

          I think the Countess and Sonja may have a genuine friendship in Season Three. They seem to like each other sincerely. They have common interests like travel to Europe and Sonja knows a lot of the European Aristocracy so they probably have friends in common. I think Sonja will slowly leave the friendship with Luann in season four as she realizes the pecking order in the RHNYC and rejects it.

          Luann is not a friend of Ramona or Alex. She does not respect them. You can not have a friendship without respect.

          I think Sonja and Bethenny would have developed and excellent frienship if they had stayed on the show. The have similar interests/cooking/books/ and men. Bethenny loves men. She’s married, but you can tell she still loves men. Sonja loves men too. You could tell from the dinner at the last night of Scary Island that Bethenny and Sonja had shared and they really liked being with each other.

          I have watched Alex and Bethenny and thought about their friendship. At the time that they filmed with each other, they did have common interests/small children/ trying to create their own businesses. Because Bethenny is extremely busy, I doubt that the friendship will grow much now. This was a friendship where they both had good will for each other in season three and that is very important.

          I don’t think Ramona is really a friend to Bethenny or Alex for that matter. I think Ramona has a work friendship and Ramona spends time with them because there is an economic advantage to the relationship. It’s unequal in that Ramona is older, has successful businesses, and significant wealth. Ramona has imperfect friendships with a lot of people. Like Jill, Ramona gets pleasure from giving to these friends, then enjoys the feeling of superiority that comes with being the more affluent person in the friendship. Jill and Ramona are similar in many ways. That is probably why they go to war, have a truce, then go back to war.

          Ramona and Jill remind me of the Greek goddesses Athena and Aphrodite who secretly hate each other while they declare themselves to be sisters and then have their Human followers go to war to show how powerful they are. Ramona and Jill push “their friends” into uncomfortable situations in these battles. We will see more of this in season four.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        She does not practice the type of class we are comfortable with – making all people feel welcomed and comfortable. How she treats people (like Rosie, etc) shows her adoption of her husband’s definition of class. IMO – she failed to be classy or to show class and obviously doesn’t have the money to buy any either.

      • Powell says:

        Right. But how do you like LuAnn saying “I just have fun with it” when people call her Contess. So she’s having fun with insisting that driver’s etc call her Contess? On the reunion she couldn’t help explaining that she gets to keep her Title after the divorce. She’s so pretentious. I believe actress Jamie Lee Curtis is a Countess. She doesn’t have anyone call her that. And was it actress Zsa Zsa Gabor that was once married to a Count? If these ladies didn’t have people calling them Countess, then how does someone like LuAnn figure she should be called Countess? That’s so declassy as they say.

  4. vilzvet says:

    From our local Long Island paper Newsday today:
    “Three of the cast members of Real Housewives of New York City – Kelly Killoren Bensimon, the Countess LuAnn de Lesseps and Ramona Singer – have put their houses on the rental market again this summer. Bensimon is asking $250,000.00 for the entire Memorial Day-Labor Day season for her East Hampton manse. If you’re interested in a shorter stay, she wants $30,000.00 for June, $110,000 for July, $135,000 for August to Labor Day or $225,000.00 for July and August. Her four-bedroom, four-bath, 5800 sq. ft. 1998 home is on 1.2 acres near the ocean with heated pool and staff quarters.
    DeLesseps listed her 1997 shingled, barn-style Bridgehampton home for $150,000 for July only. The 6500 sq. ft. home comes with six bedrooms, 5.5 baths, pool, guesthouse and tennis court on 2.2 acres.
    Singer wants $235,000 to rent her 7000 sq.ft. Southampton house for the summer. The 1995 stuco home has six bedrooms, six baths, heated pool, guesthouse, sunken tennis court on 1.4 acres. For July, the house is listed for $85,000, for August to Labor Day, $115,000; and for July and August, $175.000.”
    So who has some spare change this summer???

    • quincyil says:

      Jill needs a house for the summer. Maybe, she could help one of her friends out.

      One of the top people at Selling NY on HGTV looked at the last minute for an August rental. He wanted to pay 10,000 per week for one week. He was still looking after the 30 minutes, but some of the houses were right on the water and they were wonderful.

      I guess none of these women really want to go to their summer homes in summer.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        This is the 4th year in a row we’ve seen all these RHONY Hamptons Homeowners putting their homes out there for rent for the summer…best we can tell, none of them ever had any takers.

        • Rhetorica says:

          Lynn, LOVE your definition of class; it’s right on!

        • quincyil says:

          The monthly costs on a 6million dollar home in Eagle County Colorado is 40,000. I have a friend going through divorce and she told me what she has to pay. That includes mortgage, taxes, and staff. You can’t clean those big houses alone.

          So that would be $480,000 just for the house each year. With the taxes in NY, you would have to have an income of at least double that to survive so that would be one million.

          The RHNYC have these Hampton homes and the homes in Manhattan which they probably have mortgage fees and condo fees as well as high taxes.

          That means they need an income of a minimum of
          2 million a year for housing. Then add the designer clothes, the vacations, the dinners out….

          I think they need around 3 million a year to live like they are living.

          • quincyil says:

            This BTW is why Sonja Morgan went into bankruptcy so quickly too. Yes, she had a settlements of 7 million, but she was 19 million in debt. She had assets of 13 million with that empty town house.

            It’s the taxes and the lifestyle of keeping up with the Jones that did in Sonja. I think she figured that she would get her divorce settlement soon so she wanted to cut her losses before that gift was bestowed. She did file for the kind of bankruptcy that describes a repayment of debt rather than the kind the rest of the housewives took where they wanted the slate wiped clean.

            Sonja talks about being frugal, but I think she went wild while married to JP Morgan’s grand son and spent money on clothes she didn’t take the tags off of because she never wore them.

            • error404 says:


              I had the impression that SM would have been fine with her toaster cooking etc… had she not invested in that film that tanked and then sued her.

              • quincyil says:

                She owes 19.8 million. The production company won 7 million. So she is in debt 12.8 million since the huband left her in 05/06.

            • Adgirl says:

              Sonja invested in a movie or something then was sued about it. Her attorneys didn’t even respond so she lost outright, something like 11 million.

          • Powell says:

            They have all become delusional. They think that they can ask for such high rent because they are on This little tv show. They don’t even make that much money from the show. I believe the highest paid Housewife is Vicky G from OC. She’s been on the longest.

        • vilzvet says:

          No takers because we have seen episodes filmed at their homes each summer. I wonder what else they are planning to do for the summer…I can’t imagine owning a Hamptons home and not wanting to use it. Maybe lack of cash??

      • alicia says:

        They usually are not rented for the entire summer- maybe July or August. Then they will travel the months it is rented. I know two families in Palm beach that do this- our summers are just unbearably long and hot in S Florida. Last summer we could have visted them but my son wanted to go to Gatlinburg ……Sigh.

  5. error404 says:

    LuAnn is desperate and I think there are two important factors that fuel all of her behavior in s3:

    1. she’s in danger of being irrelevant and everything she did and said was a desperate ploy for attention and air time.
    2. she dislikes Bethenny because Bethenny obviously dislikes her. She more than anyone seems to feel like she was betrayed by a friend who turned out to not be who she thought she was. She pushes the “B’s not all that” agenda almost as much as Kiki does.

    These two things are why she’s on team Jill. She had to join the fray or be left behind. Staying out of the feud would have been a pink slip for sure. Her already palpable resentment of B made which “team” to join a no-brainer.

    That being said, I doubt she has any influence over Jill at all. If anything, she tells Jill what Jill wants to hear in hopes of riding Jill’s coattails to s4. The feud still would have happened even if Lulu had defended B the whole time. Her actions were more often an alibi for Jill’s meanness. No way in hell was Jill ever going to show up to Ramona’s Labor Day party, and Lulu not going was just another fake excuse for Jill to use to disguise her premeditated behavior.

    Lulu does remind me a lot of Kim Z in that they are classless buffoons who are clueless as to how they really are.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      I’d add that B is everything Lu isn’t. Smart, funny, talented, realistic, successful without a man, etc.

      And I think Jill’s feud would have happened but would have blown over quickly as B thought it would if Lu and others hadn’t fanned the flames of “poor Jill”. And I agree Lu does things to promote herself more than out of loyalty.

      And I hope there’s a recap on all the NY HWs.

    • Powell says:

      I’d take Kim Z over Lulu anytime. The only pretending Kim does is her thinking she can sing and that Big Poppas didn’t cheat on her. Lily is pretentious all the time about manners and class.

  6. cusi77 says:

    OMG Lynn, This is a fantastic Blog! Thank you so much! You nailed the classless countless perfectly!

    It was fascinating yesterday for me to watch RHONY S3 all day long (most of the time listening…lol) Wow! I could understand English much better than a year ago! Thanks to you Lynn and your Blog! I picked in things I did not understand before.
    You guys have helped me in SO many ways that I can’t express my gratitud!

  7. Noreen says:

    Love this blog. I don’t know why Luann got a pass last season either. She was in the middle of everything, especially between Jill and Bethenny. But she was telling Jill what she needed to hear. At least Bethenny called her out for being a snake. I regret that she later apologized for the comment because it was dead on! Her boyfriend looks so much like Ross!

  8. Rhetorica says:

    Marcel’s Quantum Kitchen is on Bravo now. It’s really good so far; no screaming drama, just going thru the steps of catering.
    Is Bravo & Syfy owned by the same parent company or did he make a deal with Bravo to show his reruns?

  9. VAgirl says:

    Great blog, Lynn! Your analysis of LuAnn was right on. She is very passive agressive and can strike you down without you even knowing it. I have to say that HWNY is my favorite housewives franchise. I don’t know why, but there is something about the city itself that appeals to me. I guess my living in the “burbs” has something to do with my big city facination. HWBH comes in a close second as my favorite. Now the majority of those ladies are rich, rich, rich and I like to see how they live their lives. Not like the wannabees of Atlanta, Orange County, or New Jersey.

  10. OneMoreInBoston says:

    Hi Lynn!

    Great blog! Although I agree with everything you’ve written- I just wish you delved further into the inner workings of Luann.

    ***IMHO***most of her horrid behavior (why do I faintly hear Dwight whispering in my ear “just dreadful”) stems from Luann’s overcompensation for her Native American heritage. I think she just heard one racial slur too many, and decided if you can’t beat ’em join ’em.

    Her remarks to the little girl at the YMCA that wanted to be a model were absolutely cruel- is no one off limits in her quest to boost her own ego at the expense of other? really? not even little girls?

    Her daughter seems out of control- and as HD remarked a few blogs back- seems to be offering living proof that behind closed doors there were anti semitic, and other derogatory terms being tossed around in that house.

    As far as this ridiculous use of the term “countess” is concerned…does anyone else find it ironic that a Native American woman- probably the only group of people you can say are “original” Americans in a genealogical sense- has basically rejected our democratic American concept of not dividing society along class lines and instead has adopted an antique European class system based on ancient bloodlines, interbreeding and all? kinda amusing if you think about it.

    Luanne seems hellbent on rejecting her own identity and intent on creating a new, pompous, snobby, pseudo-aristocratic personna, that is so unrealistic that even she can’t quite maintain it.

    • lovinlynnsblog says:

      Just want to say that Lynn is right on about everything and so are you ONEMORE, but does anyone else think we just got to know LU at a low point (post-divorce) and might have seen some behavior that was not typical??? Or do you think she’s a typical bitch?? LOL!

      • HD says:

        Luann has ALWAYS been like this from day one. That divorce had nothing to do with it. Luann telling Bethanny to address her as the Countess when she is introduced to “the help”, Luann basically calling that girl fat at the YMCA event, Luann treating her maid like an indentured servant, Luanna shoving down anyone’s throat that she was a Countess! SHE WORKS MY NERVES!!!

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        lovinlynnsblog- I agree with you to a point.

        IMHO-Luann is just filled with self hatred, so to overcompensate she has turned herself into an elitist snot.

        But I think you’re sorta right, she may have been a kinder version than what we saw after the divorce. I don’t think she would have hung onto the “countless” insult, for example, if all was right in her world for as long as she did.

        All bad times, divorce, death, long term illness, only magnifies who you REALLY are. If Luann is behaving worse now it’s because (again IMHO) this is who she REALLY is.

      • humbruh says:

        Luann has been a snotty biotch since day one. I’m not giving her a pass based on the divorce.

    • humbruh says:

      OMIB, you hit the nail on the head! Self-hate is a hell of a drug! Plain & simple Luann hates what she is, she has tried to morph into what she thinks society sees as acceptable or beautiful (a white, affluent woman), & that self hate has manifested itself in her condescending way of dealing with others. That video of her daughter popping off at the mouth & using racial slurs is evidence of what is really going on behind closed doors.

  11. lovinlynnsblog says:

    I do like hearing that Bethenny was nice to fans. When I get discouraged about her, I read this and love hearing it. Great mark of a good person.

    That said, I want to say something that might be unpopular. It think LUANN is one of the most beautiful women alive right now. If I could look like her at this or any age, I would be happy as a clam!

    Annoying? Yes. Talentless? Yes.

    Pretty? Marvelous bone structure? Great body? Super hair? Yes, Yes, Yes.

    I just have to give credit where it’s due. This is a pretty woman.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      oh all right.

      She is freakin beautiful- she really is.

    • Noreen says:

      I agree. She totally looks the part, just doesn’t act it. And I also think she knows how to play the camera. Jill always does the stupid “hand on the jutted out hip standing at a slight angle” pose (actually most of them do that) but Luann is so relaxed and natural in front of the camera.

    • error404 says:

      why in the world would that be unpopular? A: It’s true! and B: It’s not like people here are often remarking on how ugly she is. Now had you said you dreamed of looking just like gorgeous Kelly, now that I could see inspiring some comments and disbelief! lol

      • lovinlynnsblog says:

        This made me bust out laughing.

        Oh that beautiful Kelly, wrapped in all those dead animals, all 8 feet of her, with her bones jutting out everywhere………GORGEOUS!!!!!!!

    • HD says:

      I said on the other blog that Luann was BEAUTIFUL! No one can deny it. However once she opens her mouth that overrides her beauty!

      • Mookies1mom says:

        Like my grandmother used to say: “Pretty is as pretty does.” (This was long before Forest Grump came out with the stupid is as stupid does.) So, for me she is attractive until she opens her mouth and then she becomes ugly.

  12. HD says:

    Dead on about Luann! Also, I can’t stand the way she fishes for compliments all the time. Her constant need to get in digs irritates the hell out of me! I can’t stand her stupid one shoulder dresses and I hope she has let that go this season. Luann works my nerves!

  13. Terry says:

    Yeah, lots of people have feelings about Luann that range from annoyed to detest. While I’m not a fan, I do admire the way Luann kept herself out of much of the bickering.

    My least favorite housewife is still Alex McCord. She’s creepy as hell…and that husband!

    Really, I don’t think that there’s much to admire in the housewives, but they do entertain me. The only objection I have to the housewives is the continued participation of Kelly Bensimon; she’s obviously either mentally ill or on drugs and that’s not funny to watch.

    • Noreen says:

      I think I’m boarding on obsessed about Kelly. I find her despicable and fascinating all at the same time. I became a houswives’ during season 2 of RHNY when Kelly met with Bethenny and said “I’m up here and your down here” comment. One of the great moments of reality t.v.

      But I do agree with you about her participation in the shwl. There is something wrong with her and I am surprised Bravo keeps her on.

      • Noreen says:

        Okay, I need to proof read before posting – “boardering” not “boarder” and I became a houswive’s ADDICT.

        I need more coffee today! I stayed up all night cleaning my garage. I don’t know why.

  14. error404 says:


    “Well, Star, typically we’d agree with you. But this time, we have to go with NeNe. While your talking to Daytime Confidential, that bitch is putting you on blast on The Ellen Show. So whether she is on your level or not, she just one-uped you as a media whore.

    And, Star, isn’t that what’s really important?”


  15. Christine says:

    I am a Connecticut native and now that I know that the “Countess” – Luann Nadeau – is from Berlin, CT I just have to laugh. There is nothing classy about Berlin. The Berlin Turnpike is a very bad string of strip malls, pawn shops and motels known more for hookers and drug dealers than anything else. It is a very blue collar, middle income type of town. Luann should realize that when you say you are from Connecticut, some of us know that there is a very wide gap between Greenwich/Westport and Berlin. Nope your ex’s money can’t buy you class.

    • error404 says:

      nothing wrong with blue collar… Lulu was a nurse.

      although I know what you mean, Mr404 was just trying to say Liz Taylor grew up rich because she grew up in Bev Hills but I know one can be middle class in BH, especially back in the 30s. CT has always shocked me with it’s haves and have-nots divide.

      • quincyil says:

        Liz Taylor was an actress as a child so she earned money. I don’t know if her parents were rich or not.

      • Noreen says:

        Elizabeth Taylor is from England.

        • error404 says:

          Not really IMHO. She was born in London to two mid-western Americans living abroad for a few years before they returned to the US when Liz was a small child. Vanessa Redgrave is FROM England. Liz is American.

          • BlueSky_Forever says:

            Liz supported her parents, her mother was her manager & reportedly kept all the $ she made as a child star. I read Kitty Kelly’s biography of Liz…it was an eye-opener to say the least. Liz took care of her parents, dumped her mom as manager as soon as she could (had to grow up first) but her mom was unbelievable. Father wasn’t able to support the family. They were penniless until Liz made bank.

        • PJ says:

          Liz Taylor was born in England and lived there till she was 7 when her family came to America. I think that qualifies as being from England.

      • justanothermary says:

        I was born in Orange County, CA. No money here, none, nada. We also support natural breasts (although mine are gone now), we drive Chevy’s and Fords (and fight over which is better) and our back-yard bbqs consist of burger and dogs, no filet mignon to be found. Also, none of use have lost our homes or declared bankruptcy. Go figure!

    • Whisper says:

      Christine, I too am a native of Connecticut, Fairfield County (where Lisa Wexler lives-ugh!) Berlin is not what I would think of when I think “Countess”. Did you know that another class act, Kim Zolciak, comes from Connecticut also? I think Windsor Locks? I’m almost embarrassed to say I live here! Just kidding-I love it here!!!

  16. jezzibel says:

    my memory of Nobility ranks is kind of fuzzy..but a Count/Countess is not exactly high up there..I think they are below a Duke/Duchess but above or on par with a Baron/Baroness…..my point is that her title is middle class at best. She was not born into class, but uses her interpretation of what she thinks someone with a title and class aught to be like.

    • Adgirl says:

      His family isn’t all that either.
      Basically newbies. During the 1800’s the first DeLesseps wasa diplomatic who developed the Suex Canal and was made a count. Then he screwed up the Panama Canal and scammed people. It was a huge scandal.

      I don’t think they are very connected to “French” nobility at all.

      • jezzibel says:

        I think the french nobiltiy probably considers the De Lesseps to be “nouveau riche”

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Both Sonja and LuAnn come from humble backgrounds and there is nothing wrong with that – they both married well but that doesn’t give either class or manners. Of the two, LuAnn is a snarky poser who wants desperately for people to view her as being “priviledged or entitled”, when clearly she isn’t.

  17. Miss Katherine says:

    wow… re-watching season 3 yesterday (thank god for spring break!) just re-enforced how much i adore bethenny (and ramona and alex and sonja.) i don’t think luann is that bad. i roll my eyes at things she says, but i think she’s a good momma and tries not to stir things up as much as some of the others. of course, she still does.

    who i’m worried about is sonja! the previews are pretty unflattering. i also can’t believe they are letting the mentally unbalanced, delusional kelly bensimon back on screen. the woman belongs in an institution.

    also, random and probably not a big deal at all, but i don’t think bethenny is wearing a wedding ring in that picture.

    • HD says:

      Tries not to stir things up? What show did you watch?

      Example…Kelly meeting Sonia for the first time. Was it necessary for Luann to mention Max so Kelly can know that Sonia slept with him?

      Luann mentioning to Sonia to tell Jill about how she met Ramona knowing the story about the dress would paint Ramona in a bad light.

      I can keep going…

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        crap- I forgot ALL of that! I don’t have my notes…

        • HD says:

          LOL! Girl, I have a running feed in my head of all the foul stuff Luann has done.

          i.e. Saying that Bethanny got engaged because she’s pregnant

          Laughing at the young girl who asked about cutting up all her food at once

          Getting involved with Jill and Alex by saying Alex could have told Jill her father was ill when it didn’t have anything to do with her

          Talking to Jill at the party saying that is why they don’t need to choose sides when obviously she did

          Getting in a dig about Sonia wearing her hair up like she was the only one that could wear a French Roll

          Shall I continue? I can’t stand Luann!

    • LavaLady says:

      Which picture?

      • HD says:

        The last one in the blog, I think. I don’t wear my ring all the time. I know I am married.

        • LavaLady says:

          I could have been taken before she was engaged or married, no? I don’t wear mine to the gym or while cleaning. Or cooking. Or to bed. That’s at least half the day, I guess.

  18. Miss Katherine says:

    well i think she definitely participated, but honestly so did all of them except for sonja. bethenny definitely did. so did alex. ramona does constantly. i just don’t think it’s fair to rip into luann for something all of them do. no one does it more than jill, but come on!

    • HD says:

      I think today the blog is about Luann. I am sure Lynn is going to do each of the women leading up to the big show. I have comments for all of them but since this blog was about Luann I stayed focused on her. I think Bethanny hit the nail on the head calling her a snake. She is constantly getting in little digs and then tries to act innocent or laugh it off when she is truly being mean. I see right through Luann. But very true they all have their issues. Surprisingly I did not have any issues with Ramona last season. Alex a little bit but I never really liked or disliked her. Jill of course. Kelly, crazy.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Thanks HD, you explained it much better than I did 🙂

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        LuAnn is a snake and requires numerous apologizes for the slights she perceives!

      • KTinCT says:

        ITA HD- this blog about Luann was dead on right….watching the RHoNY marathon on Friday, I couldn’t believe how much of a “snake” Luann really is. I was probably concentrating on the Bethenny/Jill feud to notice the first time around but the slightly un-edited episodes shown really reflect Luann’s character…or lack there of….

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Miss Katherine, This was a preview focused on Luann, I have written similar profiles about each of the other housewives. I wasn’t “picking” on Luann, just focusing on her in this particular blog.

  19. Miss Katherine says:

    no, I understand, but just in general, I’ve found people to focus on LuAnn but kind of ignore our favorite’s own participation in stirring up drama. I think it’s a normal thing to do–I’ve been guilty of it myself–but still.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      still what?

      I don’t get what your point is. Not trying to pick a fight with you…I’m just not clear exactly what you’re trying to say.

      1) today’s blog is focusing on Luann
      2) Luann has participated in a lot of drama-probably to keep her “golden”apple
      3) others have participated in a lot of drama-probably to keep their “golden”apple

      They are all guilty of it- yes even my rave fave: Bethenny. (of course, still can’t spell her name)

      IMHO no one is forgetting Jill’s shit stirring nonsense. um- the whole blog is named the I Hate Jill Zarin blog-hello?

      • Miss Katherine says:

        i never lumped jill in with the people we forgot. in fact, i was making the point that we tend to vilify jill, kelly, and luann yet overlook what some of our the castmates do to contribute.

        i said “but still” because it’s understandable to focus on the faults of those we don’t care for and forgive it more readily in those we do like, even when perhaps we should be more critical. that’s all. i don’t think i used a tone with anyone, so i’m not sure why one is being used with me. i’m more than aware that the blog was about luann, but so often our discussions veer in other directions. there’s nothing remarkable about my choosing to address a related topic.

        • VAgirl says:

          I get where you are coming from. A lot of times this blog starts off on one subject and then jumps all over the place and that’s what I like about it. I didn’t see anything unsual with your original post at all. IMHO it was definitely related to the topic at hand.

        • Miss Katherine says:

          meant to say “some of our favorite cast-mates.” sorry.

          • LavaLady says:

            I am sometimes like that with Bethenny, Miss K. I enjoy her so much and love everything about her, that I find it hard to criticize her, even when she deserves it.

            • WindyCityWondering says:

              ITA – we criticize everyone – those we like and those we dislike! No one escapes our snark.

              • indy anna says:

                The Countless is also cheap. After Bethenny drove all the way from Manhatten to meet Luman for a drink, Luman said “You are going to pay for it aren’t you”? The meeting was at Luman’s invitation. They could have met in Manhatten the day before but Luman, as usual, made Bethenny’s life difficult. She also snarked Bethenny about the car she drove up in, the adorable Skinny Marguaretta (sp) beetle.

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          Hi Miss Katherine-
          Just jumped back onto catch up.

          I guess you can’t “hear” a tone in a piece of writing which is why there are always arguments and hurt feelings on the blog.

          I prefaced my comments that I wasn’t trying to pick a fight with you and I’m not.

          Maybe you were clear to others, but I was mystified as to what you were getting at.

          Now that you have clarified your comments, I understand what you were saying, and I agree with you.

  20. VAgirl says:

    Totally OT, but I read on Popeater that Ina Garten, the Barefoot Contessa, is too busy to grant a dying boy’s make a wish to meet and cook something with her. Really, too busy! I am not a regular viewer of her food channel show, but what I have seen of her made me think she was kind of snobbish. I guess she must be if she can’t even find the time in her busy schedule to meet someone dying of cancer. Sheesh!

    • vilzvet says:

      I don’t feel too warmly towards her anyway, and this confirms it. Of all the FN stars, I like her the least. I much prefer Rachael, Paula and even Sandra Lee.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I read that Jennifer Gardner was a big fan of Ina’s as well, she had asked if she could be on her show. That should have been an exiting venture for Ina, an A-list star on her show. Ina said no because she only has “Real” friends on her show, word was Jen Gardner was hurt.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        really? wow. She’s kinda a bitch, huh?

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        But Lynn where did you read this cause it just sounds like more made up gossip

      • PJ says:

        I read the same thing. Jen Garner wanted to be on the show and Ina said no. I don’t think that makes her a B though. Sometimes you have to say no.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      popeater is notorious for posting made up stories about celebs

  21. Adgirl says:

    After watching Scary Island last night I was reminded of how much I loved Sonja. I hope she stays real.

    • VAgirl says:

      Me, too!

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      I liked Sonja last season….that preview is sure showing another side of her, as that is her real butt sticking out when she bends over lol. This season we will probably see more of the “real” Sonja as she has no inhibitions showing off her bare ass.

  22. kbinldo says:

    You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat people who are in a subservient position to them (ie, “the help”). I wouldn’t hang around Luann very long because I have a very low tolerance for people who get all uppity with “the help,” be that a waiter in a restaurant, clerk at a store, a limo driver, etc.

    • California35 says:

      I agree. I didn’t even like when she “complements” Rosi. She make is sound like she is surprised she can afford to look like that or that she knows how to dress.

    • Miss Anthrope says:

      Totally agree. I had totally forgotten about how she makes “the help” call her “Ms. De Lesseps” even when she swears up and down that she considers her housekeeper a part of her family. Then she made a big deal out of Bethenny introducing her to their driver as Luann. Give me a break, lady.

    • quincyil says:

      I have been embarrassed by friends and relatives who were unkind to people who were helping us. It makes you really think about who that friend is.

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      So true, if you want to know someone’s true personality, watch how they treat a waiter/waitress in a restaurant. If you want to know how you will be treated as the wife, watch how your boyfriend treats his mother.

      About Luann – can’t stand her. She lived in Europe she says, that’s where she met her husband, who cheated on her & she put up with it. Notice how he was never around much in the earlier episodes? Away on “business.” I think their marriage was over for years & she just didn’t want to lose her “countess” title, the homes or get a real job. Europeans can be very snotty. Your place in society is determined by your birth not so much your successful career…so Luann was a nobody to the people in her husband’s circle. Shows a lot about her personality that she cares so much about her supposed place in society. I’ll take the good old USA any day where your place in society is determined by your work ethic & your reputation, not by who your parents were or weren’t.

  23. Adgirl says:

    I’m sure LuAnn lost most of her more impressive social friends with the divorce. She was a nobody before her marriage, didn’t make much of herself (professionally) during the marriage and now she is just a reality show cast member and not even a very important cast member.

    • California35 says:


    • alicia says:

      Did anyone read the “Gawker” recaps ? I loved how they made LuAnn a fictional character that was a grifter- too funny. Go back and read these you will die laughing!
      And since everyone was discussing the snow yesterday I will say it is really warm and sunny today in SFla. Tomorrow I will be bodyclipping my half-wolf
      dog-all 70 lbs of him. But I think 20lbs is fur. He would love to be laying in a pile of snow right now.

      • BlueSky_Forever says:

        My wolf-like dogs (german shepherds, but they sure look like wolves) love this cold weather! I had to play with them outside a couple of times today, they were so happy while I was freezing.

      • BlueSky_Forever says:

        Alicia, ITA with you on the “grifter” aspect of Luann. She got her rich husband, title & all but now has lost him. Seems rather poetic that now her gigolo boyfriend is living off of her reality star charms & grifting her. Sonja kind of fits the grifter role too…she managed to marry a very rich man. I find the interaction between these 2 women fascinating to watch ~ will Sonja & Lulu be friends? Apparently not, as it is “blondes vs. brunettes” in the preview….we shall see how it plays out.

        Luann hangs onto Jill like glue, so you can see she values Jill’s $ & social status. Ramona…love that she can insult everyone, doesn’t care about any of her castmates because she has her own $, friends, etc. The way they treat Alex (who has no money & social position compared to the rest) is just awful. In my dreams, Alex becomes very successful & rich but because she has better manners is not a spiteful bitch to her castmates say at future celebrity charity events. Ahh dreamz. Then there’s Bethenny who is laughing all the way to the bank. I’m so glad she got to “bitch slap” Jill & Luann before leaving RHONY!

  24. California35 says:

    Hi everyone,
    Lynn read part of the Luanne’s recap before I left home this morning….and watch a little bit of the NYHW — it was interesting that it was the episode with a lot of Luann…she asked B to drive 2 hours to meet her at a bar only to attach her…basically your recap and the episode just brought back Luann’s personality to mind.
    I want to read more, and will be back later today.

    My iPad continues to change the format of this blog 😦 I have no problem with it. I can read the actual blog, but the coments are not updating. Luckily I have a computer at home and at work, but it is also the weekend so I can spend time figuring out if the iPad needs some updates.

    Crisian – Did you continue to have the same situation?

    Adgirl – I tried the recipe you gave us yesterday. It was good, but came out very salty 😦 I will make it again keeping in mind the salt issue. I think it was the chicken broth.

    • California35 says:

      Seems like I better go all the way up and read down…there are things I am no clear on 😛

    • justanothermary says:

      Chicken broth and beef broth are both extremely salty. I always use the low sodium, not for health so much as for the taste. Also I have found a huge difference between the generic and the name-brand broths. Because I ususally cook for large crowds I try to save whereever I can, but never on the broth.

      • California35 says:

        Thank you, yeah this is the second time my food comes out so salty (resently). Both time I used that same chicken broth…you would think I learned fromt the first time lol. I thought I did and that is why I used 1/2 broth and 1/2 water…but it still came out salty. I will make sure to find a diferent brand or use the real chicken broth made at home.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          You can buy broth that is salt free/low sodium.

          • California35 says:

            Ah thanks 🙂

            I never used it (as you can tell :-P). Now that I experimenting with new recipes, many have broth.
            I will look for salt free now.

    • Crisanna says:

      Yes, I am still having the same problems. I have come to the conclusion that word press did some kind of update for iPad format. I took a look at the rch blog and it’s the same way. I don’t know if an update will help but I am due for one. I may try that this weekend. The comments are hard to scroll through now,

  25. Miss Anthrope says:

    You hit the nail on the head when you called Luann passive agressive. She’s also smug, snide, and self righteous beyond belief.

    It’s a shame because I think that she is stunningly beautiful (I know, I may be in the minority there) and has great style. She does carry herself with a fair degree of sophistication, but the facade crumbles once she opens her mouth. She’s like a caricature of herself with the “oh darling”s and the bourgeois body language. Honey, you aren’t actual royalty. You aren’t even a Kennedy. Cut the shit.

    Did anyone else gasp when she confronted Bethenny in her usual passive agressive manner when Bethenny announced that she was engaged? Really, Luann? Is that the “classy” time to confront someone? “Oh congratulations! Btw, I’m really pissed at you because you called me a snake!”. I’m a middle class potty mouth and even I know that that’s an inappropriate thing to do.

    And I totally believe that she and the Count were banging other people all over New York. Normally I wouldn’t believe such a rumor but she has never actually denied it and there were more than enough times when she could have gone on the record and refuted them. And normally such a rumor would be irrelevant, but in Luanns case it is because all she ever does is talk about how everyone else has no class or sophistication and yet there she is committing adultery.

    Luann is one of the least “real” housewives on any of the shows.

  26. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Grand Blog Lynn~can’t wait to see if she has changed. I agree that she was one person who possible could have let Bethenny & JZ at least hear each other out. She didn’t want that because then she would be out of the picture.
    Cannot wait to see what happens next. They are going to keep certain cities & just keep changing the ladies as they get too old, crazy or not interesting? lol

  27. WindyCityWondering says:

    LuAnn has always come off as phony. Honestly, she hooked up with an older guy with a title, popped out a couple of kids and lived the high life until he found her replacement. I never truly liked her and got bored with her screen time quickly – sort of like Sheree – beautiful but not classy with such a high opinion of herself that it made watching her funny. Last season she decided to insert herself between Jill and Bethenny and IMO – made sure they would not be friends again. She had to attach herself to someone because she was fading into the background. So now she is Jill’s right hand, has a weird young boy toy and fancys herself an actress/singer and is ready to attack Alex – will it be enough to stop her fade to black?

    • California35 says:

      The funny thing is that she will probably ignore Jill now that she has a new boy friend. You know, she will continue with her own life and so she won’t spend much time with Jill. The story repeats itself. Jill hangs out with the single girl, until the single girl meets a man. It is a normal thing that Jill doesn’t understand. It will be interesting how Jill will act about that, will she be supportive of Luann, will she try to get involved in the relationship or will she just let it go.

      • Mookies1mom says:

        Very good questions that I hadn’t thought about. It will be interesting to see what happens between the two of them.

  28. California35 says:

    Many have said they find Luann pretty or attractive. I don’t see it. I do like her style, although she needs to stop with the one shoulder dresses and the same boots for everything. Her face is not pretty, and I find her a bit masculine. All of that could be overlooked if I liked her personality. The I am better or am from royalty thing is just not attractive. Like B said, we are in America that doesn’t matter here. ..and I say that ONLY because how she pushes it to much. If she was nicer and acting more humble, people would admire it instead of being discussed by it. Same goes to the lectures about being educated and scolding everyone.

    • Nancy says:

      I’m glad someone else thinks Luann is “not all that” in the pretty dept. She WAS very pretty when she was modeling some years back. But you are right. It is her personality that makes her ugly. I can’t stand any of her air times. To me she is always trying to get away from her kids. Even Rosie said the same thing.
      Sad because (obviously) her kids are begging for some mommy time.

  29. Jill said that Bethenny never really fit into the “group” on RHONY.

    Jill Zarin’s friendship with Bethenny Frankel went down in flames on the last season of Real Housewives of New York.

    What’s the group dynamic nowadays — with newcomer Cindy Barshop in and Frankel out?

    The sixth season (premiering April 7) is “my favorite,” Zarin told Us Magazine during a visit to the NYC headquarters with her sister, radio personality Lisa Wexler.

    “Living through it was the most enjoyable season,” Zarin. (Frankel now stars in her own Bravo series, Bethenny Ever After; waxing salon entrepreneur Barshop joins show vets Zarin, Sonja Morgan, Luann de Lesseps, Kelly Bensimon, Ramona Singer and Alex McCord.)

    “I don’t think Bethenny ever really fit into the group,” Zarin tells Us. “She’s found herself on her own show — her own island. She self-admittedly doesn’t like people [besides her husband Jason Hoppy and daughter Bryn, 10 months.].”



    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Oh Jill – shut up and move on! Bethenny made last season what it was – not you! Bethenny fit in with Alex, Sonja and Ramona – you got LuMan and the Lunatic!

    • quincyil says:

      This really upset me. She is playing so dirty.

    • Nancy says:

      Will someone shoot this woman already? I can’t take it any longer.
      And “THAT” book. They are so desperate. I have a great idea about THAT
      book and everyone will benefit from it.

      Jill sell’s the book to Japan for 13c/ea. (thats the best offer she will ever get)
      We don’t have to hear about that #%@!ing book ever again!
      This is where everyone wins…
      Japan can use all of the books to help soak up the water!

    • Adgirl says:

      Bethenny couldn’t care any less about anything Jill says. Bethenny, Jason and Bryn are skipping all the way to the bank to cash those Skinny Girl checks.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        The more successful Bethenny becomes the more petty Jill becomes! We all see it, hey Jill, why don’t you?!

  30. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    however, that marriage is over and this woman was born and raised in the United States.

    that maybe true but she DOES get to hold that title for life even if he remarries

    • Nancy says:

      I agree but she’s making a complete fool of herself.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        well people are entitled to do that sometimes
        maybe not on such a grand scale as she has sometimes
        I dont really think she is nearly as bad as Jill or Kiki

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      No I think she had to get him to agree to let her use the title. It’s not automatically passed on to a 3rd wife after a divorce.
      And he probably could rescind her use of it if he decided too.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        they have never said that on the air or off
        and she said on one of the reunions it was one of the perks of marrying a count

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          you know what- you’re right. I thought I read that but when I went back I didn’t read it cloely enough.

          “Etiquette books are quite clear that a divorced woman can keep her husband’s name,but when the divorcee has a title,the title can only be used as long as she stays single.”

          Yes, for what it’s worth, she may keep a title that means nothing in it’s country of origin and elsewhere until she remarries or reverts to her maiden name.

          There was a revolution in France, it became a republic, there are no titles.

          so tacky.

          • DJ Loops Fruit says:

            personally i would stop using it myself but she somehow seems to think she needs it
            who am i to judge

            • OneMoreInBoston says:

              dj? are you not feeling well? did you just ask “who am I to judge”? You better go lie down right now!

              • HD says:

                LOL @ OMIB! Too funny! Yeah she can keep that title but who cares? She just slings it around like she is the Queen of England or something. It wouldn’t have been so bad if she didn’t take a life size shovel and jam it down everyone’s throat constantly! And when her husband left her for a Black PRINCESS it just seemed like a little dig for her tossing out that title all the time. Her husband was dead wrong but I have to be honest in saying I felt a little bit of joy that she would not be able to flash that title. (then I didn’t know she kept it.)

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          It’s nasty of me but I so adore the fact that the old Count married a Princess, thus elevating himself…meanwhile just how many ex’s does he have?! So is Luann the ex-ex-ex Countass of Nothing? lmao

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I think she loses the title if she remarrys. Her kids keep their whatever titles. This is the United States, we don’t have titles and laugh at those who insist on using them. Guess that makes her the Countess of Joke’s on her…

        • jezzibel says:

          the first born male heir get the title, its a hereditary title so once dear ol dad passes his oldest born son gets the title of Count and everything associated with the title..debt included.

        • humbruh says:

          Or just plain Countless, as Mario put it.

  31. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    Similar to NeNe from Atlanta, Luann wrote a book full of information that no one is interested in and it tanked.

    Hey I bought NeNes Book

  32. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    “Season Three opened with Ramona’s yacht party for the girls and Luann was completely rude and attacked Ramona for something that Mario had said weeks before.”

    Mario referred to to her as “Countless” weeks after her divorce
    i would think that was the rusest thing anyone could do to someone in a time like that now of course he said it NOT Ramona but anyones feelings would have been hurt from that
    what had LuAnn ever done to Mario that deserved that slap in the face ???

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      maybe she just irks him, the way she irks me.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        regardless would you actually refer to her in that manner
        right after a divorce
        i mean that is beyond rude and im not her biggest fan either i wouldnt even do that to Krazy AKA Kelly

    • Nancy says:

      I agree but she should have brought it up with Mario, not Ramona. And NOT when Ramona invited her for the afternoon. Too bad Luann & Jill didn’t fall overboard. I can’t stand either one of them. They BOTH play dirty. I agree with you quincy.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        i agree it wasnt right for her to go after Romana if she had to bring it up go directly to the source
        but then you see how Mario treats people he is almost a male JILL

        • lovemamaearth says:

          = but then you see how Mario treats people he is almost a male JILL==

          Have we seen enough of Mario to think that? Or do you know him in person?

          And I thought Mario said it to someone else & it went to Lu via the grapevine.

    • error404 says:

      trust me, I’m sure Lulu did something, but regardless… here’s the deal

      had it just happened, I could see your point. Yes, it was overheard and said said to her face, but still, I could see how it could have stung int he moment had she been feeling low. THAT was the time for her to approach MARIO about it.

      Somehow, she decided to hold onto it for weeks/month and then suddenly come public with it on national TV. Bitch please, you weren’t offended! Secretly you were loving that you had a sorry excuse for a storyline on a show that practically ignores you.

      My absolute favorite part was that after weeks of airing this dirty laundry to friends and a public that could care less, she decided to confront him on camera IN ITALIAN! LOL Just to show off! Bravo translated the whole thing and it was just more nonsense. An insincere half-appology given in response to an equally insincere request for one.

      I love Lulu because she’s comedy gold, but she really is the biggest phoney going

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        i dont think any of these women (and men) saw each other when the cams werent rolling
        this may have been her first chance after thinking about it that she had to get it off her chest
        i dont think she was offended i think she was genuinely hurt
        i know i would be in her place

      • California35 says:

        She basically did what Jill did — they both hold on to something to bring it into the season. Those things were the only things going for them…although Luann had her divorse she could have used to get air time, instead she just kept confronting people about what they did off camera or on the precious season.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Luann talked about her husband leaving her at the 2nd season reunion so at least month’s had gone by, not weeks but the time frame isn’t really relevant. Mario and Luann didn’t get along because Luann and Ramona didn’t get along. Mario is going to side with his wife.

      Regardless, Ramona didn’t deserve to have her party ruined over something that Mario had said several weeks before the party, Luann made a big deal out of it once the cameras were rolling. Why did she wait to confront Ramona until the 1st day of filming? Then she refused to go to Ramona’s house for a party because of something that Mario said, when Mario personally called Luann and said that they could talk it out at the party, Jill claimed that Mario was trying to create a “throw down” of some kind and although Luann is smarter than that, she went along with Jill’s idiotic remarks to create more drama.

      Here’s the best part, because Luann decided to put Mario’s remark on television, thousands of RHONY fans started calling her that too because they now knew how much it bothered her. Had she not even mentioned it, no one would have even known that it happened. Just like Jill, Luann thought she would get public sympathy but instead we saw right through her trying to create drama.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        it was still rude Lynn no matter how you take it,it was one of the worst things Mario had ever said
        right up there with calling Simon a closet case while checking out women with his wife sitting right there
        he is a classless clod

        • quincyil says:

          It was rude. He was being mean. She admonished him in Italian and Bravo gave us the English translation.

          He should have apologized on the spot.

          • DJ Loops Fruit says:

            thats all i was trying to say
            I couldnt believe how unsensitive he was about it
            But that is the nature of Mario

      • Nancy says:

        You have to laugh at this because the more “they” try, the more “we” pounce. Too funny for words.

      • California35 says:

        She just rubb them the wrong way, like she does us 😛 Now imagine him having to deal with her. Mario has shown that he skeps his mind (and is a bit of a joking guy also). Rember how he called on Jill’s behavior on the previos season?
        On Luann’s thing – he told Bethenny and Jason that he told someone else and Luann overheard. He really didn’t tell her to her fac. At that time she was okay about people talking about others behind their back, why was she upset? Then of course, the last season she changed her mind and started saying that they should not talk about her behind her back. She told Bethenny that also.

        What I really get from her is that SHE can talk about people behind their backs or to their face, but NO ONE should do that to her lol

    • HD says:

      What had she done? Only shoved that title in everyone’s damn face over and over and over and over again!

    • Adgirl says:

      Somehow I think if David Letterman had made the quip she would have loved it.

      • error404 says:

        so true!

        these dumb RHs throw digs at each other on a regular basis, but few of the barbs are anywhere near as witty and quick and this one.

        and ITA with Lynn. She was so devastated by the remark she had to make sure millions of viewers heard it too! Phulease!

        I also completely disagree about the rudeness factor. Lulu herself has said far worse about others on national tv. Pretending to be crushed by a chance remark overheard weeks earlier off camera is just frontin. All she had to do was say “Hey, I heard that!” right after it was said. She has his phone number. She could have called anytime after that. Instead she decided to try and ruin his wive’s party. But that’s the glory of Lulu and her manners book… she actually doesn’t have any!

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          saying it about someone who had just gotten divorced was most def rude
          2 wrongs NEVER make a right

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          The best part of the whole situation with the “countless” remark is that we, the audience mostly found it hilarious. Luann thought she would get sympathy for that remark…not! Just like Jill hanging onto to that voicemail from B for months, trying to play the audience to be on her side in her fight with Bethenny. These dumb housewives…just keep getting dumber! Totally agree with you Error & Lynn.

  33. twoile says:

    @Mary Ellen, So sorry to read of the health challenges you & your husband are facing.
    Blessings to you both, & remember the Home health aspect of your health ins…MD can order & u will be covered for professional & para professional assistance at home. First you can check w/the Social wrkr at rehab & set it up prior to the discharge date. Again I hope you will receive all the help you are entitled to. Take care Jeanne

  34. Just sayin' says:

    Bet you guys have already seen this but oh well here goes :). Articl about the RH series that may be canceled they talk about DC and Miami. DC, about 1.5 million views, Miami hovering around a million.


  35. boston02127 says:

    Great blog thanks. Luann–what can I say….THAT KISS ON TV!!!! ICK ICK ICK ICK VOMIT ~~~SHIVER~~~EWWWWW.

    • Nancy says:

      Did you catch their “conversation” about “sleeping” together after the tennis game? Real class Luann. And she wonders why during the past seasons everyone was talking about her being unfaithful? If the shoe fit’s Luann…

      • boston02127 says:

        Nancy–I did! And I also believe what Ramona had said to Jill (on the phone) about Luann when they were in the Hamptons when Luann was listening.
        I’ve always had a hard time talking about Luanne because she always reminded me of my mother. Same body type and the way she walks and her mannerism. But…the minute Luann opens her mouth it stops right there, my mother was nothing like her in that way.

  36. Adgirl says:

    LuAnn has a courtesy title, styled as “LuAnn Countess de Lesseps”. She is not the Countess any longer so she has to put the title affter her first name.

  37. HD says:

    Luann is so pathetic. If my husband cheated on me and dissed me like he did her I would drop that Countess title like a hot potato. I think Luann is holding on tight to that title with white knuckles just so she can seem important and so that she can have a little clout. And THAT is pathetic! Being Luann is fine enough but when you exist for what parties you can get into and how many front rows you can sit in at fashion shows you will do anything. She probably makes that guy from Friends call her Countess when they get it on.

    • boston02127 says:

      Good point HD. Now that you say it (type it) I’d drop his name too!

    • error404 says:

      ITA with the 2nd part, but not the first. The de Leseps were rumored to have an open marriage. I’m not convinced she was the naive wife wronged behind her back. IMO, IF she was surprised by the break, it was only because they been thru this and worse and she’d figured they’d had a deal and he’d never leave her.

      • HD says:

        I didn’t know about that open marriage. Can I be honest and say what I really want to say? Of course I can…I might insight a windstorm but I am okay with that. This is just MY OPINION and MY VIBE but I got the feeling that the fact that this woman was Black bothered Luann. I don’t why I feel that way but I just do.

        • Nancy says:

          I completely agree. It looked like that to me during the reunion.

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          I posted this upthread:

          “meanwhile no one really covered the princess angle.
          I thought she was really gorgeous-


          so I always wondered if this princess was also descended from the king Solomon/Queen of Sheba Solomonic dynasty. If so…that’s a pretty ancient bloodline.

          Let’s see…The King who started the entire Judeo/Christian culture, built the Great Temple, has every triumph chronicalled in the Old Testament vs. the Suez Canal?

          Luanne got so bitch slapped.”

          So not only is this a PRINCESS of ancient, indisputable bloodlines, she’s also as beautiful as Luanne and (wait for it…) she BLACK too? I’m surprised poor ole Luann didn’t just implode.

          I’m also wondering if, just perhaps, this is how her daughter learned to toss around the n*word with such abandon. Nothing occurs in a vacuum.

          • quincyil says:

            The Count fell in love with the Ethiopian princess so he didn’t use that word. I doubt that Luann does either. Being a Native American, she is probably sensitive to this kind of name calling.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          considering LuAnne is Native American i seriously doubt it

      • Nancy says:

        I wonder if LuAnn being on the show had anything to do with the break?

      • BlueSky_Forever says:

        Luann’s boyfriend is good looking…reminds me of a gigolo. He is attracted to her for what, her title? money? looks? This guy is using her. Her daughter is acting out, she needs her mom. Meanwhile mom is banging the gigolo. Nice. Let’s see how her son turns out. He seemed like a good kid on the previous episodes, but then so did her daughter. Pay attention to your kids Luann, your ex isn’t parenting them so it’s high time you get involved.

        • twoile says:

          IMHO the kids miss Roseys’ parenting the most, she semed 2 b the most consistant loving adult in their lives….Dad b’g away 4 “work” most of the time….Mom socializing /4 charity, cough, cough…..:D

      • humbruh says:

        @ Error – That’s the same thing I think about the Grammer’s marriage.

    • California35 says:

      I kind of feel bad for her about that…because she wants to keep the title even though she really isn’t one any more. Isn’t that sad? Okay so she will tell people that she is Countess, but with no count. Like you said, why would she want to keep the title? Either way I see it, it doesn’t look good. I have known of woman that will keep their husban’s name and robs it on the new wife or new girlfriend, saying that they were first or they were also from that family or that they still carry the name. That only makes them look bad in my eyes…they might have the name or the title but not the man or the family behind them.

  38. boston02127 says:

    BBL, going out to dinner. Fancy…not Subway.

  39. HD says:


    Real Housewives of DC being cancelled a rumor? Please say this hasn’t been covered. If so sorry.

  40. BambiBaby22 says:

    You guys probably already discussed this, but I read yesterday that Bethenny is demanding BEA gets re edited due to the backlash she is getting from fans of being too mean this season. Even the reruns will be re edited.

    She was smart to sell her skinny girl brand, since that kind of drink is more of a “fad” type product, especially now since her image is shifting.

    I wonder if her skinny girl partner and Bravo had to sign off on the deal since they both will get their cuts.

    • error404 says:

      sounds like a rumor. One started by Jill I assume. Bravo never never never re-edits, especially once the women complain. In fact, they seem to go out of their way to make them look worse after they complain. Allison DuBois anyone?

      I don’t see why Bravo would get a cut of the Skinny Girl sale. They didn’t bankroll it’s start up and they get $0 for it’s sale. No does FaceBook deserve a cut, although I’m sure she gets lots of exposure there. That’s like saying Bravo should get a cut of the profits from every restaurant they film in, or that Camille owes them a % of her divorce settlement. They film these women. That’s all. It’s not B’s fault she used her time on camera to start a business instead of shopping for handbags or getting her armpit fat sucked out. Some people are just smarter than others.

      now, what will Andy do with his cut of the skyrocketed book sales for Secretes of Shrillish Mother-fer?

      • Nancy says:

        Jill’s going to be out for blood because of Andy’s contest re: who’s the #1 favorite mother on the Housewives series?
        Gloria came in last.

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        No, it has been reported that no matter what product the housewives push, Bravo get a cut. This includes books, jewelry lines, etc. That is why Andy pushes the housewives products so hard.
        Most reality stars are like this, Elisabeth Hasselbeck had to pay the Survivor show a portion of her salary from the View for 3 years since she was known by the View from Survivor. It is a coommon practice.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          Certain housewives do cut deals with Bravo and then they will promote their products on Bravotv.com. For example Kandi did cut a deal and her new CD was on Bravo’s web site.

          Teresa also had a deal with Bravo for her Cookbook, Jill Zarin did not make a deal with Bravo, nor did Bethenny.

          • BambiBaby22 says:

            So, you are trying to tell me that Bravo, out of the goodness of their hearts showcased Bethenny starting a margarita business and then did not require any royalties or commission? That does not sound right to me, but since you are the housewives expert, I will say “ok”.
            What about Bethenny having the ability to re edit? She is executive producer.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            now Lynn, what about Danielle’s sex tape? Does Bravo get a cut of that too?


        • quincyil says:

          I think she had it before the show. It was in some restaurants in Season One. I think Bravo doesn’t get a cut of Kandi’s music either.

          • BambiBaby22 says:

            From what I understood, there were restaurants (or maybe just one) in NYC that already offered a diet margarita like SG, but it was fresh, not bottled.
            I even heard the name of the restaurant but I don’t recall it.

          • HD says:

            What was in some restaurants in Season One? I know not that drink because B was always telling them how to make it and she even has a video which I think is on Youtube (I watched it myself) that tells you how to make it. She did not have that drink bottled in Season One. B is such a business woman if she had it bottled then don’t you think we could have bought it?

            • LynnNChicago says:

              That’s right HD, the Skinnygirl Margarita wasn’t available for purchase in bottles during Season one, it was just a recipe at that point.

            • BambiBaby22 says:

              I never said it was SG bottled margarita, I said other restaurants already had low cal margaritas and it was mentioned either on the show or on a message board, could have been TWOP.

      • twoile says:


    • California35 says:

      I have noticed that Bethenny doesn not say the word Skinny Girl Margarita in BEA. Have you guys? I did notice that the bottle would be on the counter facing the other way (or at least the one time I noticed). She and Jason were actually talking about the distribution problem, but not saying the word of the product. I wondered if that is on purpose.

      • HD says:

        HOLD UP!!! Bravo get a cut from whatever the Housewives start up on the show? Please clarify this for me. Please!

        • BambiBaby22 says:

          HD, I have heard, and it may not be true, since Lynn, who knows TONS more than me, that when the Housewives develop a brand, they do so with the agreement to pay Bravo a part of the profit, or revenue or whatever the deal states.
          Bravo in turn will feature the product on the shows.
          Think about it, without the housewives shows, these ladies would not be able to peddle their goods, so it is a win win deal for all involved.
          Lynn says Bethenny did not strike such a deal but I am just wondering why so much time has been spent on RHNY and BEA dealing with SG (even so much so that Andy had a bottle of SG behind him all last season of WWHL).

          • HD says:

            Well now that I think about it, it is a win, win situation because would we really know of the Skinny Margarita without B being on the show? I am sure she got a lot of questions about how to make it because that was all that she ordered and then it probably (obviously) dawned on her to bottle it up.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            it could be explained by different contracts that are brokered by each housewive’s attorney.

            If B.’s attorney was savvier than the others, and s/he was able to get some type of mention of her product bartered with something else (like say extra appearances on the RHONY series) than Bravo won’t get any more of a cut than what B allows them to get.

            Contracts involving HW merchandise was the big kerfuffle with Theresa- she was trying to hold out for more $ because she didn’t think Bravo did enough to promote her cookbook.

            • LynnNChicago says:

              That is exactly right! Teresa made a deal and Bravo promised that her book would be promoted by Bravo but then they didn’t put it on the show as much as Teresa wanted, so they added that “bonus scene” of Teresa working on the photos of the food for the book and put it on the web site but she wanted it shown on the show more. They did have a link to purchase her book on Bravotv.com but I’ll bet Teresa’s contract didn’t spell out the specifics on how and when Bravo would promote her book.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          NO, they don’t. Different housewives have different deals within their contract about what they can do while under contract with Bravo. Others made sure that Bravo didn’t get anything. Still others want Bravo involved because they can help to promote their junk…er stuff. 🙂

          Bethenny is unique in that they’re promoting stuff for her because it’s good for Bravo, good for her show and if Bethenny does well, Bravo wins too. They took a big chance on her with her own show and promoting Bethenny is in their best interest.

          Teresa’s book was featured on Bravotv.com, they even posted a link to buy it directly from their site. They got a portion of the sales.

          Alex and Simon didn’t cut any such deal with Bravo and their book wasn’t on the web site. Kandi did want Bravo’s help promoting her CD so she did make a deal. They’re all different.

          Regardless of their deal with Bravo, however, if they appear on WWHL Andy will plug their wares because they’re a guest on his show, just like any other talk show will do for their guest.

          • BambiBaby22 says:

            What about Bethenny wanting a re-edit? Here is a snippet from a NY Times article regarding BGM…..
            “If Ms. Frankel appears to be losing touch with her viewers as the season progresses, Bravo will most likely use its market research to quickly shift focus — reassembling footage of Ms. Frankel’s life into a different reality, one that the audience wants to see.”
            I forgot when I come to this message board it is taboo to raise ANY negative questions about Bethenny.

            • OneMoreInBoston says:


              you can raise negative points about Bethenny- no worries.

              She’s far from perfect. As a matter of fact she seems to really be rubbing a lot of people the wrong way this season.

              But I don’t think you have your facts straight when it comes to her merchandising deals with Bravo.

              • OneMoreInBoston says:

                do you have a link? I’d like to see that article. thx!

                • BambiBaby22 says:

                  Boston, I really don’t have “facts” at all..lol.
                  Just being a business with the objective of making money, I cannot for one second believe that Bravo does not have a claim (perhaps just 1%) to the SG brand .
                  Bravo is so calculating on EVERYTHING….those polls on WWHL are simply to see who is seen in a favorable light and who is not, but disguised as “fun”.

                  I will look for the NYTimes link.

                • BambiBaby22 says:

                  One More, I am sorry, I thought you were asking for the link from the quote I posted above.
                  Perez Hilton also reproted about the recent re editing demands. (remeber he had the pregnancy rumor correct).

            • LynnNChicago says:

              It’s not taboo, it’s done all the time. We don’t have blinders on when it comes to Bethenny, we know that she’s not perfect.

              All of the reports that Bethenny is demanding a re-edit are a bit far fetched though, even your quote says that BRAVO will “most likely” … that is the most honest reporting that I’ve seen, others are saying that Bethenny is demanding a re-edit. Don’t they think we’ll notice a change from the original airing to the re-runs? I think they’d be crazy to go back and re-edit what’s already aired.

              • BambiBaby22 says:

                Well, there HAVE been instances even on this MB when people have noticed Bravo shows being different in the reruns than the original, subtle differences, but subtle just the same (not either Bethenny show)

              • error404 says:

                a 2 year old article explaining that Bravo shifts it’s programing to suit viewer reaction is so far from a reasonable support of the accusation that Frankel demanded re-edits, it’s laughable. But it’s typical RH behavior as well: plant the seed “Frankel is a diva!” and then just say “oh, I must have got it wrong”, and when people question it’s logic, accuse them of being uberfans unwilling to hear differing opinion.

                • BambiBaby22 says:

                  Error, the article was NOT my support of the re edits!
                  Google bethenny demanding re edits…simple as that.
                  YOUR comments are exactly what I was speaking of about it being taboo to raise ANY questions about Bethenny.
                  I have seen on this MB about what a smart business person B is, so wouldn’t it be “smart” of her to change the editing to save her biggest “brand”, herself?

                  • lovemamaearth says:

                    I don’t think it would be smart of B to pretend that she thinks she’s perfect. She seems to be as hard on herself as she is on anyone else Big difference between that & how Jill & Lu are.

              • justanothermary says:

                I don’t think it’s far fetched at all for Bethenny to be, at least “asking” for a redit of some of the stuff she’s done. I don’t believe she expected the kind of backlash I’m sure she got from Jason’s hometown. Like I said before, we can cut down this little town and our small-town ways, but no “outsider” better try it.

                Bethenny knows she would not react to such comments and probably thought no one else would either, but I’ll bet that’s not the case. Bethenny knows that how the public perceives her is key to her business success and she can’t afford a lot of bad press.

                • BambiBaby22 says:

                  Exactly, Mary. Plus Bethenny was able to get an “executive producer” title so she may as well use it.
                  Bethenny needs to understand that it is one thing to snark on the other housewives, but it is just tasteless to snark on regular people.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      where do these rumours come from LOL
      her image ISNT shifting she is as popular as ever

  41. LynnNChicago says:


    Utoh Joe is in jail again…poor Teresa

    Juicy Joe seems to think that the rules don’t apply to him.

    • jezzibel says:


    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      puh-leeze. whatta gangstah:

      “Giudice, whose license is suspended, is accused of creating a new license at the New Jersey DMV – using his brother’s information.

      The troubled Housewife hubby is facing charges of forgery and wrongfully using the identifying information of another. He could receive up to ten years in prison.”

    • I think they are still filming RHONJ. I wonder if Joe’s arrest will be featured on the show. Joe hasn’t been able to stay out of trouble since he was released from jail a few months ago. He has been involved in two brawls and now this.

    • error404 says:

      I actually wonder how much longer Andy will keep his job.

      PR, TC, even potty mouthed Kathy G won emmys… but the RH series has really dragged the whole network down into the gutter… infamy more than success.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        Interesting question. I haven’t thought of it in terms of the bigger picture.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        The increase in commercials on Bravo shows would indicate more sponsor revenue coming in…. Andy needs to clean up his personal act but the HW franchises are bringing in money. Did BGM? get nominated last season?

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        it always cracks me up when someone on this blog thinks that is all Andy does (the housewives) he is Vice President for ALL original programing on bravo
        and the h/w are what brought in the most money for the network and why he got his promotion
        his job is safe

        all that crap that has been posted online in the last week is all untrue why do you think none of it made a major newspaper
        all stemming from his quip about those dreadfull kids singing at the end of the oscars

    • quincyil says:

      Joe must not believe that the laws apply to Joe. I think there are a lot of Joes out there.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        His pattern is showing – using family names and information on legal documents – a family that scams together! Ain’t they nice!?

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        i really have to wonder just how much corruption there is at the NJ DMV

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          badda bing !

          • DJ Loops Fruit says:

            no not just that
            Ive had a personal horror story involving DMV that has gone unresolved for close to 4 years now
            i dont have the money or the resources to have it corrected but its a huge horrible mess

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  43. BlueSky_Forever says:

    off off topic…watching Yul Brynner’s daughter talk about Liz Taylor’s funeral, the friendship between Yul & Liz etc. Wow, they showed Liz accepting her Oscar for “Butterfield 8” which was presented by Yul Brynner. It’s on CNN, Piers Morgans show.
    Yul’s daugher Victoria Brynner wrote a book with pictures taken by her father of Liz & family. Fascinating photos.

  44. Adgirl says:

    About the Bravo getting a cut on RH business ventures, I wonder what the BH groups deal is? I doubt Bravo gets a cut from the Palms, Villa Blanca or Dr Paul’s plastic surgeries.

    It seems fairly clear to me when Bravo is backing the producty how much the talk about it during the show and on WWHL.
    I did have an impression that Bravo was involved marketing with SG Marg because of the frequency of them showing the bottle, filming the tasting (where Kelly wouldn’t try it) and because Andy has a bottle behind him on WWHL.

    Maybe that is in Bethenny’s contract rather than the other way around.

    The ABC alcohol laws may prevent Bravo from “owning” a share of the brand or proceeds. The laws are very strange like you can’t have both a distribution license and a retailers license. Only brewerys can have both (ever wonder why you never saw a Gallo Wine Grillhouse?). Hard alcohol is probably heavily restricted, especially in NY.

    We will learn something more when the Fortune Brands deal is discussed in detail somewhere because if Bravo has something to do with SGM then they would have input into the sale to Fortune Brands.

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      Of course Bravo does not get a cut of those businesses you listed, those businesses were owned by the BH ladies before they were on the show. I am talking of products the HW develop due to their HW fame (purses, books, skin care etc.)
      It only make business sense.

  45. LynnNChicago says:

    Real Housewives of DC is not dead yet… Cat Ommanney will be on WWHL later this month.

    rawveggies Tweeted:

    The Real Housewives of DC – Are They On? Or Are They Off? http://goo.gl/fb/yzRmB #therealhousewivesofDC

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      acording to bravo they have been given the ax

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        of course that was yesterday and now they are back peddling i just twitted them and asked outright is it or isnt it axed they have yet to respond
        and Andy is on vacation so i doubt he will say

  46. error404 says:

    since some people are too lazy to provide links to their own rumor-mungering, here’s the source:
    my fav bit:
    Here’s what the blogs are saying:

    The Jewish Journal says, “She is mean, selfish, and narcissistic.”

    had Iliana not been doing her weekly “why Bethenny Frankel gets on my tits” blog for 2 years now, the gossip article might have seem more plausible. IMO of course.

    Oh, and if your reading this Frankel, you owe me another payment for obviously being too in love with you to automatically believe every piece of backlash written about you by unreliable sources. LOL!

    and since today we’re posting NYT articles with little to no relevance to the discussion at hand, here’s my contribution:

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      OK, ERROR, I ALREADY said that I posted the NYT article becuase I thought that is what someone asked for. It was an article about how everyting Bravo does regarding their shows is calculated after being carefully polled.
      I am NOT lazy, I am here on my down time hoping to add to the coversation.
      I don’t know why you are jumping all over me just because I bring up something possible negative about Bethenny.

      In my opinion, she tries to come off as an “everybody’s girl” while she tweets about drugstore .com and Hanes underwear. Do you really think she is doing that to “share” her life with you? No, they are paid endorsements.

      She bad-mouths everyone she knows, do you really think she “loves” her fans? I would not doubt that she bad mouths the fans at her book signings and other things.
      If you remember, she is an actress first, we have all seen pics of her in her B movies so it is not far-fetched to believe she can “turn it on” for a few hours during public appearances.
      How is bringing up that Bravo may make money off SG being “mean” to Bethenny? Even B admitted that she got on reality tv to become rich, so why wouldn’t she have agreed to Bravo getting a cut of products developed by her and her partner?

      Why is it you will believe any rumor about any housewife that you don’t like, but if B might be seen in a bad light, I am in the wrong?

      Lynn says it is not taboo to discuss things like this about B on this board, so I will still say things about her every once in a while, but thanks for taking my “down time” and treating me shitty, Error.

      • lovemamaearth says:

        For me, it’s the sources and comments made. I love B but sometimes her wit makes me cringe. I bet she’d love to unsay some of the descriptions of J’s hometownies. For every yin,there’s a yang. Most of B’s character is entertaining imo. She knows she’s damaged and working on it and seemingly doing a good job considering the load she’s carrying.

        The Jewish Journal “rumor” sounds like it came right out of Jill’s mouth. Jill comes across as mean and jealous. Alex seems like a light weight but mostly kind. Ramona is a knee-jerk reactionary but mostly sincere. Kelly seems off balance and desperate for attention and acceptance. Lu seems like a desperate buttinski who needs more money, more fame, more acceptance, etc.
        And I’ll add that I’m sorry that Simon isn’t as strong a character as he could be. Many of those women treated him AND HIS FAMILY like doggie dirt and he’s still kind to them. He doesn’t have to become a jerk, but it would be nice if he backed his wife more and didn’t go out of his way to be nice to them. But then he wouldn’t be Simon I guess.

  47. HD says:

    @ BambiBaby22- My comment about the SG drink was not directed towards you. I directed towards Quincy who mentioned the the SG drink was found in a restrurant which I knew could not be. Bethanny drink a SG a lot and always told people how to make it. So no one was saying that you said it was already bottled. I was referencing Quincy when I made my comment.

    One thing I am, I am always honest or at least as honest as I can call it in regards to my life experience and how I see things. Anyone here can tell you I will call B on the carpet about ANYTHING. I do not serve at her altar. I hate Jill but my hate for Jill does not equate LOVING Bethanny. If Bethanny does some foul stuff like whininnnnnnnnnnnng constantly I will call her on it. I call it like I see it. Period. I did not come to Lynn’s blog to be bestfriends with anyone. I cam to voice my opinion freely and I am soooooooooooooo glad Lynn lets us do that. Bravo was KILLING me not posting my well written and well thought out comments. 😉 LOL!

    At any rate…just know I was not pointing to you and if I was, I ain’t scared, I would have said BambiBaby22 now you know you trippin! 🙂

    • BambiBaby22 says:

      Thanks, HD, that thread was getting busy and I was getting confused. So , I wasn’t sure who was saying what to whom!

      • justanothermary says:

        I too have openly shown that I am not on the Bethenny train when talking on this blog. I admire her business savvy but am not impressed with her social skills at all. I too was “raised by wolves” but there comes a time when you have to put on your big girl panties and make a life for yourself. Bethenny, in my opinion, needs to stop trashing others and start taking the feelings of the people in her life into consideration “BEFORE” she opens her mouth.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          Ill gladly admit to anyone who ask im def on the Bethenny train
          and that she is my all time fave Bravolebrity
          i LIVE for her quips its what makes her,her and if others get offended by them thats thier problem
          i hear worse from people on here talking about these people as if they know them from the few moments we see in thier lives
          Including myself in this as well
          id rather be on team Bethenny then say team Jill but then who wouldnt
          i cant say that Bethenny can do no worng because she is after all only human but as far as bfravo goes she is the best of the lot

    • Amber...RealWife says:

      A fire sale is in order! Quick Teresa! To the dollar store you go to buy all the feathers, barrettes, headbands and flowers you can to make the famous “Fabulous” Milania $26.00 hair accessories! She better get Joe out as they have to have sex daily. He may look elsewhere! LOL

    • Nancy says:

      All kidding aside what will happen to their children if Joe is locked up for 10yrs? I wonder if mama Caroline will take them in? Remember Caroline,
      “We are as thick as thieves” I guess we’ll see.

  48. Zipit Zarin says:

    I think this is my favorite blog of all time. Calling the poseur out on all her passive aggressive crappolla. As someone said, my only regret about Bethenny is she apologized to the Snake. It was well deserved and about time. It shows Bethenny’s core character in that she feels bad when she thinks she’s behaved badly. Even when it’s deserved and she knows it…she feels bad. It’s why I love her and she has so many fans. She’s kind at heart underneath all that witty snark. The combo is compelling.

  49. Adgirl says:

    Who wants to Throw Up???

    Star Magazine:

    Is NeNe Hooking Up With Star’s Ex?
    There’s no love lost between NeNe Leakes and Star Jones on The Celebrity Apprentice.
    The two women are constantly at each other’s throats — literally. An insider tells Star they had to be separated after a screaming match at NYC’s BeSu Salon “because they were about to start throwing fists.”
    But the Atlanta Housewife sure has a fondness for Star’s ex-husband, Al Reynolds. The two dined at STK in NYC on earlier this month and “looked very cozy,” an eyewitness tells Star. Afterward, they danced the night away at Haven before hopping in the same cab at 4 a.m.
    And date No. 2 is already in the works! NeNe and Al have been flirting on Twitter, with Al trying to persuade her to come visit him in Miami.
    On March 15, he tweeted a pic of himself with his arm around NeNe’s waist on their date. Perhaps Star should step out with NeNe’s estranged husband, Gregg, to settle the score!

    • Adgirl says:

      I just want to know who will be on top.

    • humbruh says:

      NeNe needs to stop. She is making herself look like a bitter 13 year old with this trash Star media tour she’s been on. Hanging out with Big Gay Al is low, even for her.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      LOL dont tell me you think Stars ex is HETEROSEXUAL


      omg i cant stop laughing here
      everyone that knew anything about that marriage knew from day one that he was a big old queen not even on the d/l
      If NeNes hanging out with him THAT is THE reason
      NeNe is a gay magnet she has often said that on the show and the gay community LOVE her

      • BlueSky_Forever says:

        Nene is just trying to get more dirt on Star & annoy her! Star was on Wendy Williams (don’t judge me, I love WW & her show…sigh) & it was good! Star has a new book out, she may have won celebrity apprentice, she raised more $ than anyone ever did on CA when she won the 1st round….oh she’s survived 1 year after open heart surgery and? The Nene vs. Star trashy fight is fun to watch lol. OMG Wendy actually asked Star if she thought Nene & Al had sex…Star didn’t answer. Snort! I say Al is milking this for all it’s worth lol.

        • error404 says:

          Star reminds me a lot of Annie. Both IMHO drag the show down, but that’s just me. Anywho, big $$$ connections and bitchy backstabbing didn’t win Annie the show, so we’ll see with Star.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          I watched it too
          I couldnt believe she wrote that tacky book and turned BaBa WaWa black in it LOL

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Al seems to be friends with the Basketball Wives too.

      Re Nene, maybe he’s looking for his next sugar mama. They’d make a perfect couple just like Gretchen and Slade do.

  50. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    and using THE STAR as a reliable source LMGAOFR here
    oh you funny funny people LOL

  51. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    good morning

  52. error404 says:

    “Why is it you will believe any rumor about any housewife that you don’t like, but if B might be seen in a bad light, I am in the wrong?”

    Yes, you are IMO completely, absolute wrong, and quite frankly, I find the accusation insulting. You seem to think this is all about Bethenny but you are so off base.

    “I don’t know why you are jumping all over me just because I bring up something possible negative about Bethenny.”

    I suggest you go back and scan the page. You posted a rumor and asked us all to discuss it. When I simply and IMO politely said I didn’t agree with the rumor, you immediate went to the silly unreasonable uberfan defense. You still seem to believe I take issue with WHAT you argue, but it’s HOW you argue that is annoying me. JMHO, but if you feel strongly abut something, back it up. If you don’t, then drop it. Accusing people who simply disagree about the likely hood of an unsupported gossip item, of being too blinded by fandom to accept opposing opinion is again IMHO insulting.

    You’ve repeatedly back-peddle on the NYT issue. I really don’t care at all that B annoys you. I do care that you refuse to own it as such.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:


    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      totally agree!

      • BambiBaby22 says:

        You were POLITE? Bwahh! Poor little victim.

        • BambiBaby22 says:

          I meant the above post for Error.
          BTW, Error, I had 2 separate issues on my post, the NYT magazine was NOT my support for the re-edit.
          The NY times post was to illustrate how much bravo carefully plans everything regarding their shows. So, why wouldn’t Bravo have the women sign a contract that Bravo receives a cut of products produced by the women due to their bravolebrity?
          Two separate issues……

  53. BlueEyedGirl says:

    I am brand new to this site and I feel like I have so much to catch up on! I was wondering where the Luann at the Harlem YMCA thing could be found on video.. I don’t think I saw that unless it was a part of the last season that I can’t remember.. Thanks!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I believe that was season two. I’m not sure if its available anywhere on line. You could try Bravotv.com if you go to RHONY site then click on Season Two videos or Episodes. You may be able to find it there but no promises.


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