I Hate Jill Zarin Bethenny Ever After

I Hate Jill Zarin                                Bethenny Ever After


Eight episodes in, this season is flying by and I’d like it to air year round, seriously. If there is anything anyone reading this can do to help me out with that request, I’d be forever grateful. Unlike some of the Housewives series, this show is upbeat, real and will make you laugh and cry but it doesn’t create hateful feelings and it won’t make you feel like you need a shower.

A bit of a new format, the show opened with Bethenny talking to her therapist and throughout the show we see snippets of Bethenny’s therapy session talking about the events of this episode including the Thanksgiving breakdown.

It isn’t clear whether or not Bethenny’s therapist is the real deal or if he’s simply an actor hired to listen to Bethenny talk and to encourage her to look at her feelings and work through her reactions to them. Regardless, these scenes work and help viewers to better understand what Bethenny is thinking and feeling as she struggles through being a wife, mother and successful business woman.

Bethenny is preparing to go to LosAngeles for the first episode of Skating With The Stars and she’s stressed, nervous and has certainly taken on too much. With 6am practice sessions lasting four hours each then arriving back at her home/office and starting her full day of work, spending time with her baby and the worst thing, Bethenny is having trouble sleeping.

Gina was clearly distraught, she told Bethenny that she had a health issue and needed surgery. She would recover at her mother’s home and her children will be caring for her as well. It is really difficult when someone you care about so much has a health scare and both Bethenny and Jason handled it really well, Bethenny was in tears and Jason told Gina she would always be a part of their family. I’m sure that Gina felt loved.

While it may sound self-centered it’s a fact that it also left the Hoppy’s without a nanny when they seemed to need her the most. Bethenny’s life was becoming a blur and she needed someone she could count on and trust to care for little Bryn. Enter Victoria, stylist and now Nanny who will travel with the Hoppy’s to California and help to care for baby Bryn while Bethenny practices and Jason supports his wife from the audience.

The opulent Beverly Wilshire Hotel hosts the Hoppy family as their home away from home while Bethenny does an amazing job on Skating With The Stars. All of the criticism that followed her through her debut on the show couldn’t take away from her hard work and technically well done performance. As she pointed out, two of her fellow cast members actually fell down and still received a higher score than Bethenny.

Bethenny Ever After did not show the vile, jealous and hateful Johnny Weir on the show, he made some really horrible comments to Bethenny during this competition. As a good friend of Jill Zarin, Johnny Weir was obviously biased against Bethenny before she even laced up her skates. Her first performance was not perfect by any standards but there were some very gutsy lifts, spins and technical skills inserted into their routine. None of this was mentioned by the judges, they simply focused on the negative issues with Bethenny and Ethan’s routine. In comparison fellow contestants got positive feedback and tips on what to work on in the future. So what was happening behind the scenes?

We didn’t learn much on Bethenny Ever After but based on reports during the live airing of the show, critics speculated that Johnny Weir’s friendship with Jill Zarin and his obvious hatred of Bethenny was evident. Johnny was also able to influence his fellow judges, the somewhat ditzy Dick Button and the horrid woman Laurie Ann Nobody also followed Johnny’s biased opinion. The battle between Weir and Bethenny became the only thing that viewers of SWTS were talking about. His opening comments to Bethenny and subsequent low score made it clear he wasn’t going to treat Bethenny like any other contestant.

Contestants like Sean Young and Vince Neil both fell down during their performances yet still earned higher scores than Bethenny and much kinder comments. During Bethenny’s debut performance Johnny Weir only told her that she was stiff and her smile was fake. There was no credit for what she’d done or tips on how to improve as he’d given to the others.

Discussions around the internet wondered why Bethenny Ever After failed to show Johnny Weir’s nasty mug at all on the show. It is possible that he refused to allow it, or Bethenny didn’t want him shown. It is also possible that NBC didn’t want him on the show because many rumors flew during the original airing that NBC would never allow Weir to appear on their network again after his unprofessional and juvenile behavior on the show. Personally, I’m glad we didn’t have to tolerate seeing him again, if I never see him as long as I live I’ll be quite happy.

You can watch the complete skate along with all judges comments here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se2qXOgkuH8&feature=related

It was a bit ridiculous that BEA didn’t air the original music that Bethenny and Ethan skated to, apparently Bravo’s profit margin needs a boost. (yes, sarcastic)

Bethenny and Jason took a leisurely drive through Beverly Hills to look at some houses, she had a list of available homes for sale and the couple pulled into one driveway to get a closer look. Bethenny decided it would be a good idea to hop over the six foot security gate to get a better look, lucky no police had to get involved.

The Hoppy’s discussed once again moving to Los Angeles, interesting that this was filmed several months ago (November/December) and the Hoppy’s obviously haven’t moved to Los Angeles. Are they still considering moving or have they opted to stay in New York?

Bethenny knows the Los Angeles area and suggested that they look in Brentwood California, Jason asked if that was the same Brentwood that OJ lived and when Bethenny confirmed that it was Jason balked at the choice. Bethenny said, “Ok so no neighborhoods where someone murdered their wife, you want to be the first to have done that in the neighborhood”. She hasn’t lost her sense of humor, hysterical!

The Hoppy’s also took advantage of Los Angeles fine dining choices and had a dinner for two at CUT, a Wolfgang Puck eatery and talked again about moving to California. I think overall this couple communicates well but in this instance I do think that Jason took it too far. Bethenny asked if Jason would be alright with seeing his parents just once a month or so as she understands how important it is for Bryn’s grandparents to see the family. Unfortunately while Bethenny was already acknowledging the importance of his parents, Jason said he wasn’t going to feel guilty about being close with his parents. Where did that come from? Bethenny takes a lot of hits for being confrontational but here Jason was the aggressor and he shows that he can be just as argumentative as Bethenny at times. We still love you Jason!

Baby Nanny Gina leaves Bethenny a message congratulating her on the Skating With The Stars appearance followed by a long run of “not fit for TV” rant about the judges stupidity. The Hoppy’s were amused and grateful to Gina who’s surgery went well and she was recovering nicely.

Thanksgiving dinner looked like hundreds of thousands of Thanksgiving dinners around the country. Holidays bring stress for some reason, everyone wants the Norman Rockwell painting and no one ever gets it. It seems something always goes wrong, the dinner rolls are left in the oven, the pumpkin pie doesn’t get defrosted or someone gets a flat time on the way to the dinner. In Bethenny’s case her oven decided to take a break and failed to cook the turkey all the way through. Somehow Julie got the blame, best we can tell Julie was there when the repairman supposedly fixed it earlier in the week. Julie didn’t check to ensure that it was working but it seems as though even if she had, she wouldn’t have been able to predict that the pilot light would go out mid way through cooking a turkey. Julie tried to call the repairman but on Thanksgiving had no luck, Jason and his father came up with a solution, made sure the Turkey didn’t poison anyone and Bethenny apologized to Julie for flipping out at her. It seems Bryn’s first Thanksgiving turned out lovely in the end.

Oddly, Bravo had chosen to run this episode just once last night. Typically they will re-run their new episodes at least twice, yet with Bethenny Ever After, they ran it just once but if you missed it, they will re-run it tonight at 9pm/8pm Central.

Jill Zarin appears on Wendy Williams this morning, apparently she hasn’t read the reviews of her horrific hairstyle:

Until Next Time…

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607 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin Bethenny Ever After

  1. katiecoo says:

    I loved that format…it was like a story unfolding. Love the creativity as this show evolves. I tweeted her that her next season should be called “Bethennizer Bunny”. 😉

    • lovemamaearth says:

      I agree. It really softened the meltdown. And I hope that B finds compassion for her mom in all this because the behavior was modeled for the mom too.

    • cusi77 says:

      BEA gets better and better with every episode! I laugh so much last night!
      To Bravo: Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase more Bethenny Ever After and less OC, ATL, NJ, Housewives! More about family values, loyalty, integrity! Less backstabbing and gossip! Out OC A.S.A.P.!

    • TLM says:

      It was done in a flashback format, which was a little more theatrical than the usual style, but effective.

      I think B actually *would* have a nervous breakdown if the show aired year-round. It’s stressful enough filming for several weeks, let alone continuously having a film crew in your home. The family needs downtime.

      I was shocked to see that there was any doubt about whether B’s therapist on the show is actually a therapist. If it were an actor, that would seriously undermine the credibility of her show, and Dr. Amador’s identity is easily found online. He has had some pretty high-level jobs as a therapist, in addition to his books.

      I didn’t see Jill on Wendy Williams, but I really can’t believe Jill is still doing that hairstyle after her appearance on WWHL. It just doesn’t even look fancy to me, but rather looks like she just came from the gym or something. I think she would look much better with a bob. Why she wants to look like such an obvious copy of Bethenny, I’ll never know; it just makes her look like a desperate clown. She should want to differentiate herself and do what’s flattering for her, and clearly she doesn’t know what that is.

      In looking at Jill’s face from last season to this one, I suspect the feature she was trying to correct were the “bags” under her eyes and the ridge this created on her face. Sometimes it was very noticeable, other times not, but it was only going to get more prominent over time, and I’m sure she wanted it removed. The surgery for that is a blepharoplasty. I’m sure it was by no means the only thing she had done, but that was the most noticeable change to me.

  2. plainviewsue says:

    I also absolutely loved this episode. As for moving to California, when I saw her at a book signing a couple of weeks ago, the question was asked. She seemed to indicate that it wouldn’t be happening, at least in the future. Someone asked if she’d move out to Long Island, and she said no at this point.

    • giselle says:

      Jill Zarin she’s really something else.
      She has the power to influence people to go against each others…shame on you Jill.Leave Bethenny alone.

    • TLM says:

      I was stunned B would say California interested her. She seems such a NY girl, even though she lived in CA for a while when she was younger. You can do a talk show from anywhere: people came to Larry King from California, and Oprah wasn’t either in NY or LA, but Chicago. I hope she does stay in NYC.

  3. LynnNChicago says:

    Just added a photo of Jill Zarin on Wendy Williams, she’d rather look ridiculous than admit that hair style looks horrible on her. She is quite the rebel!

    • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

      Oh Jill. It’s just not working. Sorry.

    • quincyil says:

      Wow…. what’s up with Jill?

      • HD says:

        Why doesn’t she let this ponytail go?! She looks like a fool.

        • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

          She is a fool. Why shouldn’t she look like one? LOL
          I am telling you keep an eye on Bethenny before JZ locks her in a room somewhere & starts to think she is Bethenny. Just like that movie…hahaha
          I watch way too many scary movies & read a lot of scary books. Just a joke my friends. Don’t be freakin’ out on me.

        • VAgirl says:

          HD. On the previous post, you were asking about the Bethenny first husband scandal. It isn’t all that crazy. Her first husband was Peter. His family friend and usher at their wedding was Larry, whom B had dated briefly the summer before she event met Peter. She had always had a crush on Larry, but never cheated on Peter and even fixed Larry up with her girlfriends. She says that when her and Peter separated, Larry was a support system for her and she ended up falling for Larry. It caused a rift between Peter’s and Larry’s families that has lasted until this day. Bethenny says in her book she should have never married at age 26; that even if she had met Jason at that age, it woudl not have worked. She also says she was a serial monagamist and went from one relationship to another thinking she had to find “the one” before it was too late. Not that riveting really.

          • VAgirl says:

            I didn’t mean to say that her book wasn’t riveting. It’s really interesting. Just that the first husband situation wasn’t that juicy.

            • HD says:

              Oh so they were seperated. She still should not have slept with his friend. At some point you need to draw the line. You live and you learn.

              • Adgirl says:

                Larry really made this a mess.

              • DJ Loops Fruit says:

                but she had dated him BEFORE she married the other guy

                • HD says:

                  What does that have to do with anything? Does that make it right? Let me get this straight, its okay to cheat as long as you dated that person before you were married. In the words of my friend Kim, “where they do that at?”

                  • DJ Loops Fruit says:

                    not cheat of course but wasnt she divorced when she started seeing the other again

                    • HD says:

                      No. Hence us using the word affair on the previous blog. She was married and cheated with his friend.

          • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

            Wasn’t Larry on one of the RHONY episodes in Season 1 or 2? Bethenny went for lunch with one of her ex-boyfriends? Or was it a different ex.

          • TLM says:

            Oh, and Larry was the “shrinkwrap car” guy, who I was wondering if he did the Skinnygirl car, bus and plane. LOL.

    • mariareads says:

      She’s no rebel. She’s looking for attention. She looks ridiculous. Wasn’t that hair don’t something from the 60’s? All I can think of is Jaquelinne Susanne when I see her. What an idiot.

  4. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Magnificent blog Lynn~
    Did I see that you never interviewed Bethenny?
    Anyways, she has it all & I hope she takes more time for her family now.

  5. quincyil says:

    Moving the discussion about toxic people to the new board:

    I have a saying, “She’s someone that is good to know from a distance.” I believe you can be cordial to toxic people without a public announcement sent through a friend on a television show. What Bethenny did to Jill is similar to what Jill does to other people and did to Bethenny.

    I think Bethenny can’t handle toxic people and that makes them more toxic. Look at how Marisol in Miami handles the comments of her mother Elsa, who had multiple marriages and was probably a lot like Bethenny’s mom.

    Some of the problems that Bethenny has are created by the way she handles the problems.

    Again, I like her. She recognized that there is a huge problem and is addressing it.

    • VAgirl says:

      Q, I think B handles toxic people great. She continued to be cordial to Jill at social events even while Jill was trying to run her down at every turn. Nicer than I would have been. She continues not to say a bad word about Jill and she didn’t wage a public war on JW either. She could have. I have to hand it to her. She tries to rise above those who have it in for her.

      • mariareads says:

        I agree VAgirl. I have seen really toxic behavior from JZ. She can’t stop talking about B but B hasn’t mentioned her unless asked and even then she treads lightly. I watch Imus most mornings so I happened to catch B on there. He was obviously trying to get her to come out swinging against JZ but she really didn’t dwell on it and could have said anything but she didn’t.
        I would have torn JZ apart so that makes B a better woman than I.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          B has completely cut the toxic people (her mom and JZ) out of her life. While I admire her fortitude, it hasn’t stopped them from attacking her – so in a way she hasn’t really dealt with them.

          I’m dealing with a similar situation at work – we tried to cut a toxic person out of a project, and he came back swinging. Perhaps there was a better way to include him and manage the toxicity rather than deal with a double dose for marginalizing him. IDK. If B had relented a little, would JZ have dropped it?? Hard to say.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      “What Bethenny did to Jill is similar to what Jill does to other people and did to Bethenny. ”

      Sorry Q- you lost me here.

      Bethenny tried over and over and over to make up with Jill, and Jill just wasn’t having it. Then when Jill decided she had punished Bethenny enough, too late, Bethenny had taken her at face value and built a life without her.

      No way are they similar. Jill decides to punish people, Bethenny just moves on but not after effort!

      I also completely disagree with any comparison between Elsa and Bernie. From what little we know of either woman- apples and oranges.

      • Katiecoo says:

        I posted on the other thread but I think Bethenny demonstrates that there IS a time to leave the party, quietly and with dignity. You don’t see her trashing JZ on her show, yet we see JZ blahing about how she was never a real friend blah blah blah.

        So what she was there for a “season”? If Jill had been remotely supportive B’s dreams coming true vs. sabotaging them at everystep, she’d have been at that wedding and still in her life. She beat Bethenny down to a place of INDIFFERENCE which is killing JZ. Who only knows love or hate. imo.

        • Katiecoo says:

          When i say “season” I don’t mean season of the show. I mean “a season, a reason or a lifetime” in reference to friendship.

          • Dani says:

            I agree with you Katiecoo, Bethenny gave Jill several chances to redeem herself. And, Weir sorry he was just a ass&h()* to her. Why would you want people like that in your life? I have a sister-in-law and for years I put up with some pretty nasty things, I finally said enough is enough and she is no longer in my life. I feel this is a better way to handle it than constantly having conflict in a family or friendship. Bethenny does not trash Jill every chance she gets like Jill does to her. I don’t think I could do this, I would constantly need to tell my side of the story. I have a lot of respect for Bethenny. Plus Bethenny has true talent and business sense unlike Cow Tail Diva.

        • I don't have my notes says:

          Yes!

      • quincyil says:

        I study Jill Zarin as a hobby. I think what Jill is reacting to after the breakup with Bethenny is public humiliation. Bethenny successfully got the last word in at Ramona’s Renewal Ceremony. “You have to change, Jill.” Jill was not smart enough to handle that line from Bethenny and she hasn’t handled it well since. I think this is why Lisa goes on shows with Jill as a back up.

        I see Bethenny’s statement that it was over between her and Jill as enough. Sending Alex to deliver the message on national TV was overkill.

        What Jill is upset about is the public humiliation suffered when she tried to apologize and asked for forgiveness. Bethenny cutting ties is like sending Jill to Hades. I think Bethenny knows this and she is punishing Jill.

        Bethenny was correct about Jill Zarin, but Jill Zarin is correct about Bethenny too. Every one of the housewives knows that she has a quick temper and a biting whit. Many of us laughed when Bethenny did her thing, but from the perspective of Jill or the other women, it had to be very painful.

        I see Bethenny differently now. Her own family forgives her like Jill’s family forgives Jill. I think Bethenny cutting Jill off is Bethenny running to Miami when she had a fight with Jason I.

        OK, the painting in her living room…. the one Jason loved in an art gallery and she secretly purchased and gave him at their rehersal dinner.. It is a bride running away and the groom is chasing her…. Bethenny has run away from so many people that she loved rather than deal with them and accept them for who they are. Jill is the person she is…. Bethenny can’t tell Jill to change who she is….but she can learn to deal with Jill and her own mom…without “making them dead to her.” By cutting them off , she humiliates them and fuels the flames.

        • Kansas Girl says:

          Interesting thoughts! I find her very interesting as well. I’m wondering what the next step is in her therapy. I loved the slow dawning we saw as she realized she had more or less duplicated her childhood holiday experience. It was a bit over the top to say she “is” her mother, but maybe that’s the first step in seeing herself more clearly. So will she eventually be able to accept that her mother made mistakes and forgive her for them? Will she deal with problems directly instead of running away or cutting them out? I loved that this episode showed us the process she’s going through. I see that she’s evolving.

          • BlueSky_Forever says:

            It was like the light at the end of the tunnel for B, realizing that all her holiday family parties were full of fights, yelling, etc. Not warm & fuzzy…so she realized that she was behaving like her mother at her Thanksgiving party. She didn’t have to get mad about the turkey, it was just a learned reaction that she fell back on from the way she grew up – her mom always got upset & yelled whenever things didn’t turn out perfect. Now B has to work on changing her gut reaction & not getting upset. It won’t be easy for her to change her behavior, but at least she’s trying.

        • VAgirl says:

          We’ll just have to agree to disagree then. I don’t see it like that at all, but like Bethenny, I’ll let it go and get on to other things. But I won’t cut you out of my life, Quincy. I like you too much!

          • quincyil says:

            I think that Bethenny understood the therapist and she sees this.

            Her mom had many failed relationships and when things got bad, she left dragging Bethenny into the unknown. This affected Bethenny and made her afraid and angry.

            I see the pattern of Bethenny’s mother in Bethenny. I see it in the kitchen with the turkey. I see it in how she deals with people in her life like her mother, Jill, Luann, and Kelly.
            I am not saying that the others are victims as they did things to Bethenny too, but there was no understanding that Humans are flawed and you can forgive without becoming best friends again or spending time with those women.

            You all have to admit that everyone at Thanksgiving was miserable and it was because of Bethenny. She wants “heads to roll” in her business, but she does not understand the complexities of production.

            There are patterns in her life and one of those patterns is cutting people off. I told Harvey after I read Bethenny’s book that she left a wake of destruction. Harvey disagreed, but I see the wreckage left behind. Bethenny must see it too because she told me about it in her book.

            Seeing the damage that you have done is the fist step to change and not harming others in the future. I think Bethenny’s therapy is essential to her change.

            This will also upset some here, but Luann has a good handle on Jill. Ignore Jill’s comments. Jill says out of line things to Luanne all of the time and it doesn’t start WW3. That’s how I would handle Jill. I would laugh it off and enjoy the dinner parties that Jill throws.

            • lovemamaearth says:

              You’ve just convinced me to buy B’s book. lol I wonder if B’s mom ever apologized to those in her wreckages. B seems to be smart enough to see how it affects people even if she doesn’t have the insight and discipline to stop it from happening.

              But maybe I identify too much with B as I grew up with chaos too although my mother wasn’t a runner. She should have been. And I was always sorry after an outburst like B.

              I agree with a lot of what you say in spite of a few opposing points.

              • quincyil says:

                I bet for decades her mom would explode on her and then apologized. That is Bethenny’s pattern and I think she learned it from he mom. In the book, she shares about her grandfather. You should buy it.

              • TLM says:

                I read B’s book almost all in one night. I finished the last 50 pgs or so the following morning.

                If you’ve followed her on RH and her own shows, as well as her talk show appearances, there aren’t too many surprises. She pretty much has been telling all the major stories in the book on the talk shows and on BEA this season. Still, the overall message in the book is a good one, and there are nuggets here and there that she hasn’t given away yet (nor will I). I would say if you like her and her message, buy the book. I was lucky that I had Ebay Bucks in my account, and it just cost me $6. Good timing! 😉

            • LynnNChicago says:

              Interesting take Quinc…I do agree that Bethenny’s messed up childhood has carried into her life as an adult. My sister tells me all the time that I’m becoming more like my mother every day. (in my case, that’s a great thing!) In Bethenny’s case she is taking some of the negative, like the Thanksgiving thing. The difference is that Bethenny is talking it through with a therapist and she’s seeing her mistakes and is willing to try to change. What else can we ask of Bethenny?

              I think the proof that Bethenny is a good person is looking at the people who love and care about her. Jason and his family, Julie and even Shawn are clearly good people at heart and they all see something good in Bethenny, they all love her and so there has to be a reason for that. If she was a hateful, horrible person these good people wouldn’t be in her life.

              • Kotagirl29 says:

                Bethenny takes the high road, admits her mistakes, tries to correct them, and is very likable in the process. When she is wrong she will admit it, she is not afraid to show her faults and we all respect her that much more because of it. JZ wouldn’t be such a total tool-bag if she could sit back and say (just once) “I was wrong”.

                • VAgirl says:

                  Jill has said she was wrong, but she doesn’t believe her own words and neither doesn anyone else. That’s the difference.

                  • quincyil says:

                    I think Jill is probably sincere in the moment. I have known people who act like Jill. Jill apologized, but then goes on the justify…her words and actions and that is what irks a lot of us.

                  • Kotagirl29 says:

                    Yes well we all know that ACTIONS speak louder than words. Jill’s actions have yet to match her words.

              • Christine says:

                Yes, you can tell a lot about people by who they associate with. Jill -> Johnny Weir, Luann, Sonja. Bethenny -> Jason, Julie, he in-laws and the happiest baby I have ever seen.

              • AZ Girl says:

                “It is not how much you love but how much you are loved by others”–Wizard of Oz. I see Q’s point about Beth. If I had been burned as many times as Beth by her mother I would want complete control over my life and the people in it. So Beth cuts out those who she can’t change.

            • DJ Loops Fruit says:

              Luanne will do anything to stay on teh show including kissing Jill’s Ass

        • lovemamaearth says:

          I think B cut them off because neither Jill nor B’s mom are willing to change.

          • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

            I think that’s it right there. Bethenny isn’t interested in dealing with them after being shat on so many times and she certainly doesn’t want them around her child or threatening her success.

            • lovemamaearth says:

              Oh yes great point on making a happier environment for her baby. God that Brin is so cute.

        • @tweatcyn says:

          Q, B said to Alex half jokingly, if you see Jill, tell her it’s over, before the Ramona “you have to change” statement. Alex took it literally as her mission to deliver that message, which I don’t believe was B’s intent when she said it. B runs from people who hurt her, to self protect. I know, as I deal with “toxic people” like my own mother, the same way. However, I have made peace with my mother after some 27 years of struggling with it and at times cutting her out of my life. I now just treat her with the same removed courtesy you would a crazy person and take control of the amount of exposure with them and how much you’ll let them in. B is struggling with those issues and I’m sure one day she will figure it out with the therapy and family support she is receiving.

        • lori024 says:

          I seriously wonder if Jill would be interested in Bethenny in the slightest if Bethenny wasn’t so successful. Jill enjoyed popularity the 1st few seasons of housewives, IMO, BECAUSE of her friendship with Bethenny. Without B’s wit, Jill had/has nothing to offer as a TV star. She’ll always have a few fans, but I seriously doubt she’ll ever break into a solo star. (At least I HOPE not!)

          • TLM says:

            I completely believe that Jill would have been happiest if B were still single and no marriage prospects or boyfriend. Jill was hoping that her refusal to speak to B would leave her twisting in the wind, and Jill was enjoying that. It was only when she heard about the engagement and baby that Jill came running back, thinking she might be the one left in the dust, and she was.

            Of all the vile things Jill said about Bethenny, I think by far the worst is this season on RH, where she actually said that once Bethenny had her own family, she “didn’t need” Jill anymore, and that’s why she had nothing more to do with Jill. Nothing was further from the truth. She was the one who tried desperately to fix whatever Jill was pissed off about while she was pregnant and in a serious relationship, not to mention while her father was dying and she was dealing with that emotional upheaval. And B stayed friends with all her girlfriends she knew before Jason. Jill’s trying to rewrite history to make it sound as if B dumped HER is not only delusional, it’s disgusting.

        • TulipsInSunshine (aka Laura) says:

          Bethenny AND Jill both have that “fight or flight” mentality.

          Bethenny runs..Jill fights and tries to get the last word, right or wrong…but ALWAYS the last word..

          Bethenny has come a LONG long way since S1 of NY and sadly, Jill is still stuck in the same place…if not even further back in line. For Jill, this will probably last her lifetime, which is just sad…and a bit twisted.

        • ImaJillHater2 says:

          I disagree with your take on B distancing herself (ie. protecting) herself from Jill.

          I’ve personally faced some of the same family issues as B, and have had a few Jills in my life. While the ideal for all relationships is that people find a way to work things out, get along & be able to maintain a healthy relationship, the truth is its just not always possible.

          Jill’s problems go far beyond just being a mean girl. She is highly dysfunctional in her personal relationships and does not appear to be an emotionally healthy person.

          B’s choices were to continue to subject herself to J’s dysfunctional, unhealthy and disturbing behavior and suffer the fallout OR to protect herself and her family by removing themselves from the situation.

          In my opinion B made the best & healthiest choice. Nobody is obligated to remain in unhealthy and dysfunctional relationships and “go down with the ship”.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          Not to mention the zinger that “Jason doesn’t even like you” at the reunion. Part of me loves that B is so strong that she can cut people out of her life and move on – I could never do that. But I do realize how hard she has been on Jill. To be cut out of someone’s life, and publically humiliated must be awful.

        • PJ says:

          Quincy I have to disagree with you this time. Jill needed to be cut off. People like Jill suck the life out of a room as soon as they walk in. Jill can’t be friends with anyone who is more successful that she is. The only thing Bethenny could do is let the relationship die. I don’t think Bethenny did it as a punishment; in fact Bethenny didn’t do it Jill did. But once Jill made it clear that they were done Bethenny saw the wisdom of it, for her own emotional health. The same with her mother, blood is not always enough.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Bethenny didn’t do to Jill what Jill does. B met with and listened to Jill and thought about being friends again all the while not really raking Jill over the coals a Jill pretty much deserved to be raked. And B came to the conclusion that she didn’t know how Jill would fit in her life. I don’t recall hearing B mention Jill since the NY reunion. Jill changes her tune on B quite often. Not the same at all.

      • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

        Exactly, Bethenny hardly talks about Jill anymore, it is the press and fans who keep asking her about it so she has to give some sort of response.

        • lovemamaearth says:

          I often miss the interviews with B but I haven’t seen Jill mentioned in B’s blog stuff. Jill talks about B quite often in twitter & stuff.

          Oh I wanted to say I love B’s ice skating partner. I didnt watch he SWTS because I can’t stand when people lose in competition. Horse races make me cry — for example.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      well- Ms. Quincy.
      I have re read all of your comments regarding Bethenny and toxic people in her life and I have to admit, you make some strong arguments.

      do over!

      I think you’re right, and I agree with you.

      • quincyil says:

        As I said, I like Bethenny. Given Jill or Bethenny, I vote for Bethenny. If we are reasonable people as I believe we are, then we look at the events and the words that the women have shared with us over time to understand who they are.

        This is part of the reason that Sonja took such a huge hit in last week’s episode. No one expected Sonja to behave like that. That is why she was trending on twitter during WWHL and I think she will take a hit again this Thurs. as she continues to battle Alex. It’s not that Alex is perfect, it’s that Sonja is not the Sonja that we have loved for almost one year. I love the “like water running off the duck’s back” comment, but she didn’t follow through and let the water run off the duck’s back.

        My “I Love Jill Zarin” blog on the prairie by Quincy IL on Lynn’s Sunday blog was a look at both sides of the Sonja/Alex argument. Sonja’s strength was in her self deprecating humor and she forgot to use it.

        BTW… I love it when people have differing opinions and reasons for those opinions. Bring me facts or a reasoned argument, I will change my mind and admit that your are correct.

        • lovemamaearth says:

          I don’t want to change anyone’s mind as much as get to have my say–which Bravo did not allow. 🙂

          And I think opposing opinions can both be right at times. People are very complex critters.

        • TLM says:

          Sonja’s saying “water off a duck’s back” was as insulting as Luann’s saying, “Oh I know, darling, it’s the worst weekend of the year for traffic, you don’t have to apologize for being late” in S3 of RH. In both cases, those ladies should have been the ones apologizing, not acting like the other person owed THEM an apology. I can’t stand that manipulative high-society bullshit where these women try to twist the truth. I think Kelly tried to do it with Bethenny as well, but isn’t quite as smooth. But I am sick of the “Countessness,” as B put it. I just have no interest in any of the NYC cast anymore.

          • housewifeaddict says:

            I just rewatched Sonja at the party, and I really think she was drunk. She was for sure drunk by the time Ramona arrived. And she couldn’t stop talking about what happened. She’s just a completely different person in that episode. Deep sigh.

        • Ladyryb says:

          Interesting perspective Q but as I think about It, I don’t see B as a person who runs away. It is very hard for her to trust and open herself up to others. She did will Jill and the disloyalty she got in return hurt her to the core. Maybe she could move on with Jill had Jill not recruited her minions and turned them against B. All the talking behind Her back to the other ladies would make it very difficult to trust. If you always have to be on your guard, there is no real friendship. Clearly B is a product of her upbringing. I think she is still searching for her mother’s love, approval, and acceptance and she may not even realize it yet. Thus her search for perfection.

  6. Sus says:

    I lost my patience with Bethenny on the last episode but she redeemed herself on this one in my eyes. I liked how the therapist pointed out that she was making her own adult Thanksgiving like her childhood Thanksgiving. She really seemed to hear it.

    I was teary watching the Gina scene. It reminded me of when my mom left after I had my daughter. We had so much fun just watching the baby all day. I sobbed and sobbed the day my mom left even though it was clearly time for her to.

    I had a turkey not cook as fast as I thought it would. My husband’s grandma kept moaning she was going to die from low blood sugar while my mother-in-law was saying I was going to kill them all with pink turkey. I was freaking out too.

    I didn’t watch the skating show. I can’t believe someone can go from being a casual skater to performing the routine she did. I was impressed.

    Jill is starting to scare me. What is up with the ponytails ??? Stalker!

  7. Maite says:

    Great blog! I missed the show last night but I agree I could live with this type of shows all year long. I am glad they didn’t show JW and his JZ attitude. He should be ignored and totally wiped out of our TV screens. He is an idiot!
    Talking about idiots, I wonder who styles Jill, it has to be her worst enemy. I finally saw the TV Land awards last Sunday and got a glimpse of that hideous Pepto-Bismol pink dress … OMG, she looks like one of those holiday episodes of Laverne and Shirley. Give me a break!!!

  8. VAgirl says:

    Great blog once again, Lynn. It is my daily guilty pleasure.

  9. VAgirl says:

    Isn’t Bethenny supposed to be on Nate Birkin today also?

    • VAgirl says:

      Sorry, Berkus, not Birkin (aren’t they shoes or something:) LOL

      • Kotagirl29 says:

        Yeah, Birkenstocks, or as I like to refer to them, “Birkenbakes”. Totally off Bravo-type-topics, but the cartoon “Fairly Odd Parents” has a character, who is a hippy, lives in a van, wears Birkenstocks, and John Lennon shades and his name is Mr. Birkenbake. I died the first time I heard it.

      • Kansas Girl says:

        Isn’t Birkin a type of expensive bag? What do I know — I buy my bags at Penny’s and Kohls.

        • VAgirl says:

          Me too. I just bought some purses at Penney’s on sale a couple of weeks ago. And yes, I think Birkin was the bag everyone was talking about B carrying around in Montreal. I need to do some learnin’ about fashion, dagnabbit.

          • Kansas Girl says:

            I just placed where I’d become aware of the Birkin bags. Wasn’t it BH? The sisters were fussing over a cheap bag being on top of a Birkin in the grocery store cart, and the Birkin might get scratched? Clearly not my type of bag if you can’t throw it around and mess it up. I’ll put my money elsewhere, LOL.

            • Miss Katherine says:

              a birkin is a highly sought after, very expensive bag, designed by hermes. it was inspired by jane birkin, the style icon and ex-wife of serge gainsbourg. the idea for the bag came about when the designer met jane on a plane and she was complaining about her purse not having enough pockets/space.

          • justanothermary says:

            I LOVE my JC Penney purses. They are nice, well made and inexpensive enough that if Tucker gets ahold of one and chews the handle he doesn’t wind up in poodle-noodle casserole.

            • BlueSky_Forever says:

              I’ve been using the same black purse for 5 years now. A friend gave it to me. Cannot imagine paying thousands of dollars for a purse. Really? Give more to charity. And trust me, I will tweet that to Bethenny.

      • lori024 says:

        hahaha I think everyone knew who you meant!

    • lovemamaearth says:

      YES!!! I hope I don’t miss it.

  10. Lisa says:

    Just read Tamra’s blog. She says Ryan is working at a law firm(bwhahhahahha)…Let me guess it’s Eddie Judge’s law firm? What law firm would hire him? He has DUI, drug charges, and assault charges I believe…..

    • VAgirl says:

      It has to be the law firm Eddie is “owner” of.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Ryan is probably working off his attorney fees that he owes.

      • Lisa says:

        Now on facebook she is saying she apologized for using the word Retard but Bravo removed it from her blog saying it would cause too many negative comments…really, does this hag ever give it a rest. I need to stop watching this show..lol

        • Lisa says:

          Tamra S. Barney
          Your on next weeks episode , I will be getting it tomorrow. Let me know if you want to watch.

          11 hours ago · Like ·

          2 people like this..

          Steven Gonzalez Can I join? ;p
          9 hours ago · Like.

          Ralph A. Martinet again?? by who this time?
          about an hour ago · Like.

          Fernanda Rocha Hi Tamra, we haven’t talk for a while… I’m still processing what u said on the Show. It did hurt, I am sure there is still more to come and I think it’s best to wait until everything is aired.
          Blessings … Ciao

    • @tweatcyn says:

      Thank God he never became a cop like he once wanted to be. Can you imagine that loser abusing his perverted immoral power over the general public. Scary thought.

  11. NJ Bev says:

    Another great blog Lynn. I really enjoyed BEA last night. I can not
    believe we are already up to the 8th episode! I don’t want this show to end-
    it is just pure entertainment and leaves you feeling good.
    Can’t say that about many shows anymore!

    • viki55 says:

      So very true! I think so far my favorite moment has to be the bathtub birthday party. But the bathly time with Jason doing the washing was cute too. I like the soft side of Bethenny we get to see. She really is like every women, not just a cardboard cut out, she has so many good and bad qualities. I heard it said once that Sex in the City was so successful because there was something about each character women would identify with. With Bethenny, I think we get all in one:)

      • lovemamaearth says:

        Good points. I loved Brinn getting the shower. Cleaner than the bath water with Jason’s feet etc in it being dumped on her head.

  12. LynnNChicago says:

    Just watched JZ on Wendy Williams – apparently when Jill appeared on WWHL in that ridiculous get up with the horrid hair Jill had tweeted a photo of herself holding a bottle of Moet , Wendy told Jill that when she comes on her show she has to promise to wear the same “get up” and bring some Moet. (Wendy says it looks good but I think she wanted to make a fool of Jill)

    Jill shows up with 2 bottles of Moet but explains that they were donated. (seriously, this woman couldn’t just go buy a bottle?)

    Wendy continues the farce saying that Jill looks great in that pony tail, Jill tells us that it is trendy and takes years off your face. (So does the needles you’re sticking in your face Jill)

    Jill’s wearing another one of her undergarments, this time a black and red one. At least she put a jacket over it.

    The broken record said she called Bethenny after the reunion but never got a return call. GET OVER IT JILL!

    Wendy brought up Alex McCord and how great she looked at the TVLand awards, Jill said, “good for her” which is her typical response about people she doesn’t like. Wendy asked Jill if she thought Alex had any plastic surgery, rather than reminding Wendy that Alex is 10-years younger than Jill, she said, “you’ll have to have her on and ask her”. Jill was clearly kicking herself for suggesting Alex appear on Wendy’s show.

    They played a game holding up photos of housewives and describing/guessing which housewife it is. Jill lost the game, Wendy knows the HW’s better than Jill does. My favorite was when Wendy described Kelly as “forever a teenager” and Jill guessed it was herself…hahaha

  13. AZ Girl says:

    Loved the format of the show. Bethenny”s first Thanksgiving dinner with her in-laws and the turkey is raw. I would be freaking out even more than Bethenny. Gas stoves are great for cooking but those sneaking pilot lights 🙂
    SWTS was great. I am not an expert on skating but I thought Beth did really well. Yes she was bit stiff but I am amazed how advance some of her moves were. Cutting Johnny out was great. No need for Beth to have to rehash the nasty comments.
    I really love this show. It is breath of fresh air compared to HWOC and all the bitch fights.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      ==Cutting Johnny out was great. No need for Beth to have to rehash the nasty comments.=

      Oh that’s what happened. Good for them, great for us then.

    • @tweatcyn says:

      I totally agree. I thought the freak out was going to be way worse. That was just a typical day in my household. LOL. I love that the men came together and saved the day while Bethenny cooled down.

      • vilzvet says:

        I would think a professional chef would know to check a turkey after even an hour, there is basting, etc. Maybe then she would have realized it wasn’t cooking. It all looked great in the end thankfully.

  14. terry aley says:

    I got a tip through my website that Lynn (of this website) was the topic of a blogger story on the online version of http://www.JewishJournal.com. Is Jill Zarin cashing in favors from Jewish friends who want to suck up to a famous person? http://www.jewishjournal.com/keepingthefaith/item/bethenny_is_predictable_bravo_is_scripted_why_does_lynn_hudson_hate_jill_za/

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Thanks, Terry. I hesitate to give their website a hit.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      well she manages to bash Lynn, Jill Zarin, and Bethenny all in the same blog. Anyone who has any success in their life she has to bash- what a shame!

      She must be big fun at a party huh? Like a black hole of depression that could swallow the Earth whole!

      Didn’t she just go through a nasty divorce? Probably why she’s so mean and bitter.

      I’m sure Lynn’s not too worried. Funny how she just keeps on keeping on, and other bloggers froth at the mouth over her. Oh wellsies! Too bad, so sad for them!

      • VAgirl says:

        OMIB. I have read some of her non-related HW blogs. She is single, has a son, is really desperate to meet a good Jewish man to marry and laments abou the fact that she cannot find one. Sounds like she just another one of those bloggers jealous of B, really jealous of Lynn’s following and success, and it seems she’s not too happy with her own personal life. Doesn’t seem like a very pleasant person to be around.

    • Kotagirl29 says:

      Wow, that blog was pretty “hate” filled in my opinon. I have been a poster and reader of The “I Hate Jill Zarin” blog from the beginning, but I don’t think I, or anyone else here, would like to be (or are) groupies. We talk about Bethenny’s faults, we express admiration for her attempts at growth, we cheer her when she is down, and we congratulate her on her successes, but we don’t blindly put her or anyone else on a pedestal. We call it like we see it, we have differing opinions (even if they are different from Lynn’s) and we DISCUSS the shows, the opinions, and people. I resent the fact that the “blog” called me a groupie or blind follower. I have an opinon, I express it, and pfft on you, if you don’t like it.
      We were brought here because we were dismayed, disgusted, or disenchanted by someone we liked actions (Jill), we come back because we have more to discuss. Whether it is regarding a TV show, or our own lives, we feel free to discuss it here WITHOUT censorship. I have disagreed with more than one opinion on here, but every one of my comments HAS BEEN POSTED.
      This is a blog that recognizes all the advantages to seeing things from several different angles and encourages all of us to keep on having opinons, even if they are different from the majority.

      I SAY KEEP ON ROCKIN’ AND WRITIN’ LYNN and screw anyone who doesn’t like it.

    • Christine says:

      Yikes – she is really full of anger and hate. I’m afraid to wish her well for Passover.

      • quincyil says:

        I think it has to be Jillousy. If this is a religious holiday and that is her blog, all I can say is that Jewish Journal is not a friendly place.

    • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

      This chick has had it in for Bethenny for awhile. I stopped reading her blog awhile ago as it’s so obvious she’s jealous of Bethenny and her success. Now she’s jealous of Lynn and all the traffic and hits Lynn gets. I find Lynn’s posts very entertaining and I enjoy the commenters. Lately I have been commenting too. I don’t always agree with everyone, but I love reading all the opinions. We’re like our own talking heads here. lol

      Woohoo if this chick has met some of the housewives. So has Lynn and some other commenters here. I’ve met Luann. The photo that Lynn posted a day or two ago of Jill, Kelly and Luann was from the denim drive event that I had met Luann at last April. (Luann was the first one there, Kelly and Jill arrived later and I had no desire to meet them!! haha) Luann was actually very nice and posed for a photo, chatted for a few minutes and didn’t act uppedity at all. or like I was wasting her time. But there’s clearly a difference of what she’s like in person and her persona onscreen — which I have called her out for sometimes, particularly when she has acted ridiculous.

      And thanks to Lynn starting this blog, attracting commenters and promoting their blogs, I now enjoy Real City Housewife’s blog and recaps (now realitycrackhousedotcom). Freakin’ hilarious recaps! 🙂

    • Sammysmom says:

      That blog is complete bullshit. It says she allows comments and that Lynn doesn’t. BULLSHIT!! Here’s my proof. A comment right here on Lynns Blog.

      • quincyil says:

        rotfl… I always put Jill’s comments on our board discussion.

        Here is a comment from Jill’s BFF lisanewengland at the out of the blue hate fest happening at Angel’s abode.

        Great story.
        I agree on most points. I have had my own issues with the Cyber Bullies as well. Making Peace does not seem to be an option if you oppose them. Oh well, I care less! Here is my blog. Enjoy! http://hubpages.com/profile/Lisa+New+England

        I am not going to comment as I can’t stop laughing long enough to think of a comment.

        Q

        • Sammysmom says:

          Hey Q, It seems like this blogger and the New England one are made for each other. Literally made. There is no way two people have this mych negativity in their heads and put in into words then spew it out like that. Maybe I am too naive but it just seems like it is set up as a diversion. Like, hey you guys, I (Jill and her people) can’t be both bloggers. So start a new one to get the heat off the New England one. Sorry for the ramble. It makes sense in my head. It’s the getting on the board that is an issue

          • quincyil says:

            The people that attack like that, fold when confronted with logic. This board is filled with independent thinkers. Lynn has no restrictions other than debate ideas. It’s so simple.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Loved how Jill plugged her own blog in the comments too.

    • @tweatcyn says:

      Well I gave it a go and took a hit for the team. This Ilana Angel seems to be from a different planet the way she interprets the show, this blog, and Lynn. Calls her a cyberbully, says this blog is insane, and a bunch of other chit which is blatantly untrue. She’s redunculous and I think a bit Jelly.

    • Waslurking says:

      I’ve been reading this blog almost since it began and even when Lynn was the angriest with Jill she was NEVER that deeply vicious in her opinion.
      That woman is rabid……

    • Kokuanani says:

      Jeeze, my curiosity got the better of me, and I visited that vile site.

      POORLY written, for someone who thinks she’s a “blogger.”

      Ceaselessly focused on tearing down Lynn.

      Really, lady, [Ileana], why are you writing this thing?

      • Anne says:

        Well, Jewish Journal is an actual publication. Ilana Angel has been blogging for many years on all things on entertainment related gossip, so to say Ilana is on a fly by night site is patently untrue. Further, so say that Ilana is not an established blogger is evern more absurd.

        People have different points of view. I have read Ilana’s blog. She is well written. She said Lynn was well written as well. However, Ilana’s point is quite valid when you have a blog that states as its title, “I hate Jill Zarin,” then you do have a blog that the majority of people would say is a hate blog. I am not saying that most of what is said is wrong, but the mere title leads most anyone to deduce this blog as a hate blog.

        It is what it is.

        • Kotagirl29 says:

          The title may lead people to assume that this is a “hate” blog, but if one were to actually take the time and read all the comments one would quickly realize that there is so much more to it. We are not here to promote hate. We talk about EVERYTHING and there usually a lot of love to be found.

          It’s never about what it’s about.

  15. Katiecoo says:

    I think I am recalling a tweet or something back in the last season of RHONY where Jill said she was at home watching the show with Johnny Weir. I didn’t even know who he was so had to google him back then. Am I remembering this correctly? I think it was one of the “super drama” episodes like maybe Scary Island??? It was before I was on twitter so thought maybe I read about it here? Lynn do you remember this?

  16. Noreen says:

    Loved BEA last night. I agree that it is like watching a soap rather than just random lunches and parties like most housewives show. I will miss it so much when it is over this season.

  17. Casey says:

    Bethenny’s show is real and the fact that she lets us see her at her most vulnerable is why I really like her. I think the show is actually getting better with time and i would have never thought that would happen. It’s raw emotion and we can all relate on some level.
    Tamra encouraged Eddie to get a Twitter account and last night I did see it up. On Tamra’s blog for Bravo, which she finally got around to write, says to check out Eddie’s twitter account. Well it is gone now! Too much abuse perhaps?
    Tamra’s blog is filled with hatred for the other housewives, so the new Tamra is back to the old Tamra. SHe actually states that when she has her kids she never works or makes other plans. Well that is funny because she left them to go to Spain and when she got caught by Simon, she said she was “filming” aka working. I have a feeling this is all going to blow up in her face, Eddie will leave because he will see the truth.
    Gretchen, who i don’t like either, is going to smell like roses because she is much smarter than tamra. You can see this on WWHL when Gretchen called in, even Andy
    said to Tamra “well the fact that Gretchen called in indicates she did not start the rumur about Eddie.” I think tamra has met her match.

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  18. Eve says:

    I am very happy that BEA didn’t allow for any face time or comments on Johnny Weir. I think he would have liked the drama.
    I’m sure that when JZ was NOT watching the show she was disappointed.

  19. Mookies1mom says:

    Last night I fell asleep while watching the OC HW’s and had night mares! (Not kidding at all.) This morning I watch BEA while drinking my coffee just to get OC out of my head. I think most of us can relate to having something go wrong during a major holiday feast. I think she pressure on herself to have everything perfect because it was Brynn’s first Thanksgiving. But it looked like it turned out well. I thought it was funny when someone (I can’t remember who) pointed out that all the men were in the kitchen and all the women were in the living room. Carol’s comment about needing more wine reminded me of my mother-in-law and me in the kitchen!

  20. MK Valle says:

    Bethenny’s therapist is the real deal, not an actor or talking head. http://www.xavieramador.com/

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      “His forensic cases include the Unabomber, PFC Lynndie England, Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping, and Zacarias Moussaoui trials.”

      So Bethenny is his biggest challenge to date then. LOL!

  21. Dani says:

    Thank you Lynn for the great blog. I also liked the format of BEA last night. I also agree with you that I wish it would air year round. What I like most about the show is it shows how Bethenny truly is. I can relate to so many things that she is going through. Of course not making all kinds of money, however working mother, wanting to have the family over for dinner and the turkey not being done. Every episode I watch I laugh, cry and laugh. When it is over I feel good and I always say “way to go Bethenny you have made a success of your life.” It is just fun to watch unlike the other housewives. I am done watching OC and I always record NY as I don’t want my viewing of it to count lol.

  22. Luvbeading says:

    I watched a half episode of the Mob Wives last night. I turned it off because it was too much like the Housewives of New York, only the Mob women were a little earthier and a tad less polished than their New York counterparts – otherwise the pretty much the same thing.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      I didn’t like their trashy behavior either.

    • TLM says:

      I ran into it by accident and I only lasted maybe 10 minutes. A combination of RHONJ and Jerseylicious for the catfights. Who wants to watch a bunch of old broads with trash mouths? When Jill called Alex a f***** b****, she sounded like one of them.

  23. SkewedHalo says:

    I love Bethenny and am so thrilled for her and her family. I cannot WAIT for her talk show, when and if that happens. I am so over the NY, OC and all the rest. Phoney, over-the-hill-trying-too-hard bitches. Ramona is the only one who has a life besides the show so she’ll be fine after it’s ovah.

    O.M.G. I LOVE Mob Wives! Thanks for blogging about it or I wouldn’t have know about it. It’s a fascinating look into that life. These women are for real …holy shitballs! I wonder if Carolinebacker wishes she would have been real about her family’s semi-mob ties and parlayed that aspect of her life into a show instead of the phoy whatever they are. The Mob Wives would spit Theresa out like yesterday’s chewing gum. patooie! lol
    And then, since I was watching VH1 I saw Audrina’s (from The Hills) show and it’s great too. Love her dad and brother, one sister is jealous as all get out, her mom is a drunk, and baby sister coming into her own. Then after that, is Saddle Ranch it’s interesting to watch. Young people. Yay Anyway, the point is, I’m OVAH Bravo except for Bethenny! I never could stand Andy and his horrible interviewing. The way Bravo treats it’s fans when they comment is over the top dismissive. Using us for ratings and saying they practically invented interactive tv experience blah blah and then manipulate or ignore the findings they get. Anyway, again thanks for blogging Mob Wives. It’s the morphine I needed to get over my heroin addiction to Bravo!

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      MobWives is very scary to watch. It’s no joke. Sammy the Bull killed a lot of people (so do most of the real mobsters – that’s how they rise higher in the organization). He dumped a lot of bodies on Staten Island. I’m watching to see if his daughter learned anything. Karen did say to Renee something like “you hate me for my father ratting out the mob – what about putting a gun to someone’s head & pulling the trigger?” Renee is disgusting believing in loyalty to the mob above all else. So that means she condones the murders. I’m going to watch the show to see if they are just glamorizing the mob lifestyle, or if they will show the real horror of it. You can always tell the ones that are in the mob here in NJ. Their behavior gives them away. The way they talk, their disrespect of the law, lack of morals…it all comes out.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        isn’t it funny- I think Karen is a big fat poser.

        She was 13 years old when Sammy the Bull ratted everyone out and went in the Witness protection program with him.

        Now she comes back to Staten Island as a plot device only!

        Renee may be disgusting but she has lived the life, the true life of a mob wife, you can see it in her tired, wary eyes. She has to justify her choices somehow, which is why we see her hesitation when Karen confronts her about her principals.

        Karen talk a lot of smack but seems way to soft and naive to be a real Mob Wife.

    • TLM says:

      I couldn’t take Audrina or her family. There’s something about her that’s so smug, I just want to smack her across the face. She reminds me of Ashley Holmes with her constant smirk. And her mother is just so trashy and vulgar. The mom looked and sounded like she was ripped from the cast of Mob Wives. I watched for maybe 10 minutes and moved on.

      • vilzvet says:

        Good, thanks for saving me the time.

      • Kotagirl29 says:

        I thought her Mom sounded rip-roaring drunk the whole time. I watched the episode of Mob Wives, Audrina, and Saddle Ranch on VH1. I think that MW’s might actually be an interesting show. I don’t mind the swearing, but I do think it will be a nice change to see how the lifestyle effects the women and children left behind when the men finally get caught, rat someone out, or are still involved behind bars. I could take or leave Audrina, I will probably watch it when it reruns and there is nothing else on. Saddle Ranch was just mindless and kind of fun.

    • Anne says:

      Why would Bethenny need to move to LA for a talk show unless they were trying it out in a local market first? It makes absolutely not sense, since more talk shows are from NYC, which are nationally syndicated. Oprah is not of course.

      NBC does more of their national talk shows from NYC, especially now with Steve Burke in charge.

      ABC uses NYC as its hub for talk shows…

      It makes absolutely no sense. In fact, Bethenny would be less relevant outside of NYC.

      I bet she has an offer to be on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

  24. tori says:

    love your blog. totally agree with all your observations. just to let you know, i caught bethenny’s therapist’s name on one of his diplomas and i googled him and he is the real deal, not an actor.

  25. shamrockblonde says:

    thanks for the blog Lynn – loved it – also loved it when you called that woman on SWTS “horrid” – it is one of the expressions that I brought back with me from England and I love “hearing” it – as for Thanksgiving dinner – the only thing I have ever made for that is reservations – no seriously – it’s safer that way – I could tell you all some of my attempts to cook and you would all swear that I was making it all up – I finally found a place that will cook the bird, slice it and put it back on the bird sliced – they do the sides too – so so yummy – and yes it costs, but it so worth not dealing with the stress – not to mention the very real possibility of food poisioning that might occur – I cannot watch the OC housewives any more – I just can’t take it – my heart goes out to all the children on that show – they will see their parents behave like classless trash – shame on all of them – as for Jill’s hair – if she is trying to look like Jeannie, somebody PLEASE find a bottle and seal her up in it – PLEASE!!!!

  26. PJ says:

    My husband thinks all the Housewife shows are pure trash and he won’t watch any of them. But last night he watched BEA with me and was cracking up at how funny Bethenny is. He said ‘I understand why you like this show, Bethenny is a natural nothing put on, and she’s so funny’.

    I don’t understand why Bravo doesn’t get it. The Housewife shows aren’t fun. I have been watching NY and BH but I’m done with NY after last week. Why aren’t there more shows like BEA on Bravo? Does Bravo really think that all the public wants to see are horrible women pretending to be something they aren’t while cutting one another to ribbons? Apparently they do.

    • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

      Anything that gets attention and drives up the ratings!

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      I actually do think they get it.

      Someone like Bethenny doesn’t come along that often. So they backed her in her new show- took a gamble with her- and they hit the jackpot.

      Each RH series started with promise but as they disinigrate I think Bravo is getting it- which is why RHONY was postponed- to squeeze one last drop of interest out of it by editing the crap out of it. And they didn’t renew RHODC or RHOM (sorry DJ Fruitloops) due to lack of interest…so I think there might be some change afoot.

      • PJ says:

        I hope so, but I’m not convinced yet. A bit of fun would be nice. It doesn’t all have to be so mean spirited and dark.

        I just think when Bravo put Kelly back on this season after what happened last season they crossed a line. Now it appears, to me anyway, that Kelly is being given help so she doesn’t sound so crazy in the talking head interviews. Then we have the positive comments on Jill’s Bravo blog when we know that there are a lot of people who aren’t all that positive about Jill. It’s all kind of desperate.

        True someone like Bethenny comes around once in a lifetime and Bravo was smart enough to give her a show.

        • TLM says:

          I get the sense they are winding up the series. I have a feeling this will be the last season of NYC and OC as well, and Andy C already announced they aren’t doing any more cities. I think they knew how much Miami sucked, as it was on the shelf for a year before they aired it.

          @jeang I thought they did announce Miami wouldn’t be renewed. They didn’t even think they were worth a taped reunion show, just had them on WWHL as their “reunion.” Compare that to the other reunions that were taped at a hotel location, and were multiple parts long.

          • jeang says:

            No announcement from Bravo on any Housewives cancellation other than DC. Their abbreviated reunion was probably due to fact they only had half a season of episodes filmed to air. As it turned out the live format for the reunion was much better than the long drawn out other reunions where answers are never asked or answered.

          • jeang says:

            And didnt we just find out in this blog recently where Las Vegas was auditioning for real housewives?

          • Anne says:

            I don’t think they will cancel NY…ratings are solid at 1.865M for second episode.

            BEA is only averaging 1.2M which is a large decrease from year one.

            NJ won’t be canceled with an average of over 2.2M per episode and the ground breaking 4.2M Season one finale the largest number Bravo has ever seen.

            Any is dealing with a new boss (Steve Burke) and a new culture, which is Comcast. Burke is notorious for only being about the numbers and advertising. He doesn’t care about anything else.

      • jeang says:

        No announcement has been made yet of the cancellation of the Miami Housewives as of yet and throughout their limited episodes they were only 100,000 to 200,000 viewers less than BEA numbers per TV by the numbers.

    • IndianaHousewife says:

      This is too funny, exactly the way my husband reacts. Whenever the housewives are on all I hear is sarcastic comments ( admittedly pretty good comments, but just the same). Last year it would really annoy me that he “intruded” on my TV time, for some reason this year his comments actually make the shows more enjoyable.

      Some day I will let him know how much I enjoy his participation, but not yet I spent too many years watching Star Trek. We are still in the payback time.

      • IndianaHousewife says:

        Sorry this was supposed to post up a little higher!

      • PJ says:

        I know just how you feel! I have spent so many years watching all my husband’s smart shows (I’m sure you know what I mean); and yet I feel so guilty having any Bravo shows on when he’s around that I usually record them and watch when he isn’t home. But, if they are on when he’s around he gives a steady stream of comments like “imagine having to live with her” or “what’s wrong with that one, she seems really off, is that just an act or is she really crazy?” So funny.

        • IndianaHousewife says:

          Exactly – now that I know he is watching enough to be able to comment I sometimes use it to my advantage. I have jokingly told him he better behave or I will take my training ( tv viewing time) and start behaving like so and so. I remember one time he responded that he would run down to the local gumball machine for jewelry if I took training from Jill. Yes I know, sick sense of humor.

        • viki55 says:

          It is so great to hear other people talk about their husbands not watching the Bravo shows. My hubby will watch Top Chef but he thinks all the HW shows are pure trash. I didn’t used to think he was right. Now I sort of agree with him. Except for Bethenny’s show. But he won’t watch it with me ’cause he saw her on HW. I love having this blog to come to!!

          • IndianaHousewife says:

            My guilty pleasure too. I tend to blog with my phone just so he thinks I am checking emails. Can just imagine the comments if he knew I was actually going to a website to talk about a show he already thinks I watch too much.

            I tried to explain last night that half of the fun is to watch, look for lies, editing, etc. Then I come here and read to see if I was able to catch what everyone else did. (I suck at it by the way). So then I HAVE to watch the re-run to see what I missed. It is a vicious nasty cycle, but I love it and who am I hurting?

            • OneMoreInBoston says:

              Both of you (vicki55 and Indianahousewife) are so cute! Blog addiction!

            • justanothermary says:

              I’m always a little embarassed when caught watching Bravo. My husband and sons just don’t get it, but some of their comments are priceless. My favorite is when my son saw Kelly on scarey island. He said “Who is he and why is he so stupid?” I just had to laugh.

          • PJ says:

            My husband likes Top Chef and we watch it together. But, like your husband, he thinks all the HW shows are pure trash and not worth watching. I used to think the HW shows were ok too, but now I agree with my husband and have all but stopped watching any of them. But last night I put BEA on because I thought he was asleep, then when Bethenny saw the yellow car and made her comment he started cracking up, we both did actually. That’s when I realized he wasn’t sleeping he was watching BEA and he said how genuinely funny Bethenny is.

            • viki55 says:

              That’s great:) I wish my other 1/2 would give it a try but he says he can’t stand Bethenny’s voice. He is also a native Texan so he doesn’t understand the New York state of mind. The fast talk and rudeness are foreign to him!

      • Christine says:

        Indiana,
        Your husband and mine should get together. He says he can’t believe that I watch those women and then begins to regale me with a recap of something like “Swamp People” or Larry the Cable Guy. I tell him that this is why God puts at least 2 TVs in every house.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      Jimmy feels the same as your hubby
      he wont watch any of the housewives shows although i made him sit thru scary island and all he said was that chick is off her rocker meaning Krazy of course
      but he loves BEA

  27. Noreen says:

    Michaele Salahi’s photographs have been rejected by Playboy; she will not be on the cover or in the magazine. Quel Suprise!

    • Kansas Girl says:

      So now they can sue Playboy. For discrimination against… uh, well they’ll think of something.

      • Noreen says:

        And yet Tarek is going to be in Playgirl. Frightening!

        • TLM says:

          That can’t be … wasn’t that a joke? Tareq is going to be in Playgirl???

          Most of Playgirl’s audience is gay men, and if women don’t find Tareq attractive, I don’t see how gay men will. The magazine doesn’t even exist as a printed publication anymore. That folded and it’s just an online subscription site.

  28. Christine says:

    Dr. Amador is the real deal with impeccable credentials. See his bio at http://www.xavieramador.com.

  29. Terry says:

    I’m upset that Bethenny wants to limit Jason’s contact with his parents. This doesn’t seem reasonable to me.

    At my house, since my mother-in-law gets on my nerves, we agreed that I’d see the in-laws 4-6 times a year, but I would NEVER tell my husband not to see his parents. In Bethenny’s place, I’d be quiet about this but I’d negotiate one overnight visit from Bryn to Pennsylvania every three weeks accompanied by Gina if need be.

    This “don’t see your parents” business bothers me.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      really? I totally disagree with you on this issue.

      But at least you’re not bashing Alex for sending her sons to public schools (gasp) or renovating her home- so I guess I should give you some small credit.

    • 2Stupid says:

      I don’t think she says don’t see them, I think she is trying to convey that all this family for her is too fast. I went through a similar situation, my husban has 7 siblings and they want to get together OFTEN. For someone not used to it, it was overwheliming. When we first really became serious, he scaled back some of the family stuff because it made me uncomfortable. Now 12 yrs later, I’m calling up his sisters asking to get together, just for the heck of it. I do think Bethenny is just trying to ease into it all. The Hoppy’s did get to be there Thanksgiving, and it seems that they are around quite alot. I think Bethenny is concerned Jason’s attachment to his family might cloud his decision to do something that is beneficail to her career. Just my two cents!

      • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

        I agree. Both my husband and I are the youngest kids in our families by alot (my husband has 6 siblings). When we first got married, everyone thought they had a say about what we did with Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving etc. We tried to make everyone happy by attending every event and travelling all over the map …….that caused nothing but stress and resentment and made no one happy. We learned after our first married Christmas that we would split up Christmas (one year my side, one year his), Thanksgiving and Easter would be negotiable but we made it clear that some holidays were just for us. I think 5 years later, our families are finally getting the picture. lol

      • Dani says:

        Terry I don’t agree with your comment. I don’t think Bethenny has ever told Jason he can’t see his parents. She is just trying to understand why he wants to be with them as she does not have those family ties. My daughter is a only child and her husband has 6 siblings. She has a difficult time dealing with all the family events as she didn’t grow up with that much family. I understand where Bethenny is coming from.

        • Katiecoo says:

          her guilt about feeling overwhelmed with the parent contact hit up against his guilt about not seeing them enough. These are typical marriage transitional issues I think. I see them working it thru.

        • @tweatcyn says:

          Terry, I don’t think Bethenny said anything of the kind this episode. I think she was just trying to weigh the possibility of moving west coast and what the costs of doing so would be (fewer visits with Jason’s family). She was trying to discuss with him how much of a problem would it be for him and he jumped to conclusion it was a criticism of how close he was and got defensive.

    • Kotagirl29 says:

      Maybe I missed it, but I don’t remember Bethenny saying “don’t see your parents” she said SHE didn’t want to see them as often, big difference. As busy as she is I can’t fault her for wanting alone time with Bryn while Jason goes visiting. Nor can I fault her for trying to become comfortable with something ( a close parent/child relationship) that she never had. There are adjustments and sacrifices that need to be made by ALL parties, including Jason’s parents. After 35+ years of being a loner, no one should expect Bethenny to immediately change that. She is trying though. Could she be more understanding or compromise more? Yes. But so could Jason AND his parents. Everyone needs time to adjust, without being judged because of how they feel.

    • PJ says:

      I don’t think Bethenny has ever said she wants to limit Jason’s time with his parents. I think you misunderstand. She just wants family time for their little family unit and not all of it with his family. This is normal.

      My husband and his Father were so close that my Father in law even expected to come along on our anniversary when we went out for the evening. My husband told him no without me having to say a word. Some years we would include all of our extended family but most times it was just us. I loved my Father in law but extended family can’t always be included in every thing you do. Bethenny and Jason will work out a balance.

      This is all very normal nothing to criticize Bethenny about. Jason was the one who over reacted on last night’s episode.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      sorry cant agree esp about the overnight thing with the baby
      every three weeks ???
      no way would i allow my child to spend the night with her granparents that often
      without both parents there as well

    • TLM says:

      I don’t remember her ever telling him not to go. I thought her issue was her having to there that often. Even if she really wanted to go that often, it’s a lot of running around with her job(s).

    • Anne says:

      Jason is just passive to Bethenny. So, Bethenny will win. If this were any other man who had his own career and his own wealth, then it would be a divorce waiting to happen.

      Bethenny wants Jason to work for her. Bethenny wants to limit Jason’s parents interaction with her child. Bethenny cannot understand the joy of having others in her life because she is selfish. It is totally apparent.

  30. WindyCityWondering says:

    Loved the whole LA adventure – the wandering around Rodeo, the conversations, the down time in the hotel and the skating! The humor, the love, the fears, tears and exhaustion – how Bethenny handles her life show viewers why she is successful, why she has fans and how thankful she is for those who she loves to be part of the journey.

  31. cabbie413 says:

    @bethenny is on the nate show right now!! cool

  32. Dani says:

    I am watching Bethenny on Nate Berkus too. I love her, I love her honesty and her attitude. Jill you might want to take a lesson or two from Bethenny. Not her style, but her attitude. Bethenny’s hair style is not working for you Jill or her outfits.

    • TLM says:

      I saw B on Nate and thought she looked thinner than ever and run-down. Her face to me looked emaciated. She really needs to put some weight back on.

  33. LynnNChicago says:

    http://www.posteeonline.com/

    Thank you to StoopidHousewives for this great find!

    Peggy of RHOOC – is this her first job? No, this is apparently where her wealthy husband is making all of his money, in the web site business.

  34. Kelly_Has_Big_Shoulders says:

    WOW!! Bethennys therapist Dr. Amador is Cuban just like me, COOL!!!

  35. kbinldo says:

    Still lovin’ the Johnny Asshat snub. He wasn’t even mentioned in passing & the editing made it very clear they were cutting him out on purpose. LOL!!!

  36. LynnNChicago says:

    ok someone correct me if I’m wrong. Jill did a guest spot on White Collar, this is a TV show, correct?

    She keeps saying she was on a “Movie set”.

    There is a difference between a guest spot on a TV show and a bit part in a movie.

    btw, Jill claims that her original one line turned into 40 lines on the show and that the director told her he would happily give her a reference if Hollywood called. hahaha

    • boston02127 says:

      By next month Jill will be referring to herself as Julia Roberts.

    • Adgirl says:

      Well if Jill can turn this into a real acting career – Good on her!!

      I don’t wish her to fail. That’s how I am different than Jill Zarin. She tries to kill people’s careers and stop them from making a living.

      Maybe Jill will finally feel appreciated and loved enough to say or do something genuinely nice. Something that doesn’t come with a press release.

    • Sam says:

      I seriously doubt that her lines increased from one to 40. She was probably hired as an “under five,” which is the term for an actor on a TV show who has less than five lines to deliver. If so, then increasing the lines above five would be a no-no without amending the work contract.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Funny how her good buddy LuAnn had a bit part in a tv show, now Jill has one. Not an original thought in her head but every bone in her body is jealous of someone….

    • Sammysmom says:

      Didn’t she also say she was the first HW to be on an actual show? Luann, in fact, was on one of those suv shows or something like it. By next week, Jill will claim that she has an emmy. She did say,on Wendy Williams show, “Wait until you see what’s next”. I bet this dumbass is gonna run for some kind of political office or something along that line.

      • @tweatcyn says:

        Camille was on two TV shows before LuAnn. So there!

        • Sammysmom says:

          That’s right. I recently saw her in an old episode of Frasier. She was a dinner guest at a party that Niles was throwing. Thank you as I totally forgot about that.

    • @tweatcyn says:

      yes, White Collar is cable tv. I think USA channel 22 in the OC. Not a movie set. I don’t watch the show so not sure what the plot of the show is.

      • Kokuanani says:

        The actor who plays the lead in White Castle is a total doll.

        The plot is that the character was formerly a forger and crook, but he got caught, and he’s now working with the FBI to catch similar crooks.

        Watch; you’ll love him!!

    • kbinldo says:

      What she forgot to tell you is that the director was drunk at the time. 😉

      • CAnative says:

        It probably was 40 lines. It was a one-liner but she messed it up so many times that it turned into 40 lines.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      You know Jill. She can’t stop talking LOL

    • TLM says:

      I never heard of a show called “White Collar.” Where is it airing? Is it on the same channel where Danielle Staub’s show is?!??!?

  37. Katiecoo says:

    Bethenny is neurotic, vulnerable and relatable. Jill is privileged and basically just a bitch. Not to mention Narcissitic.

  38. boston02127 says:

    Ahh…Lynn’s blog & a tuna sub. What more could a girl ask for. 🙂 I liked BEA last night. It makes me dislike all the housewives more. Imagine all those housewives Bravo has hired and only one is normal.

    About the turkey dinner, I would be pissed off too. It was her first Thanksgiving with her in-laws and on TV. I’d be mad if I was making a turkey for 2 and that happen with the oven. I thought it was a good idea in the end on how they cooked it. I would never have thought of that.

    Thanks for the recap of the Wendy Williams show. I looked it up and it’s not on until 4 here and I’ll be out again. Looks like I won’t be missing much with Jill. Same old, same old with whinny lying Jill.

    Catch up with everyone later tonight.

    • viki55 says:

      How did they finally get the turkey to cook? I saw them slicing but I think I missed how they cooked it.

      • quincyil says:

        I think their gas pilot had gone out and it happened before. Those lighter units do go bad and probably the new one was defective. My mom just changed hers and it was 75 dollar for that piece.

  39. Kotagirl29 says:

    Okay can someone help me, please? I have only now been able to read the OC’s blogs and I am really confused.

    I am assuming that Gretchen is talking about Tamra when she refers to “a certain cast member”, I am also assuming that she is referring to WWHL when she mentions that a certain cast member thinks it is OK to use an “international television show” to rip someone a new one. My confusion comes from the 360 MILLION viewers comment. Did I miss something? That seems like a HIGHLY exaggerated number. The olympics gets 3.2 to 3.5 BILLION and that is watched religiously in how many countries?

    • quincyil says:

      I am sure you are correct about the show and she exaggerated the number of viewers for emphasis.

      Those two are at war.

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Oh Sweet Butter Beans. Do NOT, I repeat, Do NOT read Gretchen’s blog. You will become brain damaged from all the head shaking you will do while trying to decipher what she is talking about. I used to read all their blogs religiously, but now I am selective due to the smoke damage in my home thanks to the brain frying while I was trying to translate Gretchen to logical thoughts, filter out the nasty visuals from Tamra and wrap my head around Alexis’ justifications and “christian” statements (which seem to change as she needs them too—my Bible has never changed, hers seems under constant revision!).

      • Kotagirl29 says:

        Smoke damage from your brain frying. Ha!

      • @tweatcyn says:

        Sweet Butter Beans! LOL. I love that.

      • TLM says:

        I was disappointed that this week’s show did not feature a “This Week in Christianity With Alexis” segment.

      • Christine says:

        I love Jesus Barbie’s thoughts on marriage and forgiveness. Basically she opined that if the marriage doesn’t work (or you don’t feel like working on it) get a divorce and God will forgive you. Wow, that sounds very sincere and spiritual…

  40. Brigid A. says:

    Hi all! Thanks for the recap, Lynn. Haven’t been here in awhile but have some thoughts on last night’s episode of BEA. Bethenny should be proud of her skating efforts because she did amazingly well with such a short training period. I am curious about Jason’s availability to follow her around the country, though, and I’m hoping it’s because he is either independently wealthy or his job has a liberal time-off policy. Down the road, it could be emasculating for Jason if Bethenny has become the primary supporter of the family.

    Lynn, I’m curious about why you would not have a problem if Bethenny’s therapist turned out to be an actor! Seriously? Others here have confirmed his authenticity (a good thing!), because if we’re watching a scripted show, it loses all credibility for me, especially since Bethenny appears to have editing rights.

    Anyway, the ultimate test of therapy goes beyond recognizing unhealthy patterns and talking about them. It requires change. I hope for Bryn’s sake that Bethenny continues to get the therapeutic help she needs offscreen and applies all that determination she has to creating a harmonious family life. Infants and young children are like little sponges! No one forces Bethenny to run herself ragged and then have temper tantrums. Am I mistaken or didn’t Bethenny say in her talking head that she had skating practise on Thanksgiving morning…after the red-eye? A meltdown was unavoidable! I’d need wine refills just like Carol Hoppy in order to hang out at Bethenny’s and deal with the drama. And, yes, I am aware that holidays are stressful!

    Also, perhaps I’m the only one who is bothered by how often Jason and Bethenny allow little Bryn to be filmed without clothes, either in the bath, being held or changed. Clearly, Jason and B are comfortable with their own nudity in front of a camera crew, but Bryn is an infant and can’t make that choice for herself. I get in protective mode around infants and toddlers, and Bethenny herself felt unprotected and not parented responsibly. I wonder how Bryn will feel about this when she’s older?

    Quincy, I agree with your observations about Bethenny. Thanks for sharing!

    • Kotagirl29 says:

      Solid proof that the “I Hate LynnNChicago for her I Hate Jill Zarin” blog was way off. Brigid just expressed negative opinions about Bethenny and they got posted in the comments.

      • quincyil says:

        Kota, I think they post negative opinions here too. It’s just a feeling, but I think they read the blog and comments every day.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Hi BrigidA, haven’t seen you for a while- glad you’re back!

      I have also been a little bothered by Brynn’s nudity- not because she is being exploited but because I wince when I think that a pedaphile may be watching…like you, I feel protective of that lil girl…

      • Brigid A. says:

        OMIB, my thoughts exactly! It’s a sensitive topic, but there are strange people in this world! If Bryn were my daughter, I’d be cautious with every single person surrounding her, and that includes a camera crew, whoever does the editing and inserts those little fuzzy spots that cover body parts, not to mention potentially crazy viewers! Who cares when it’s Jason and Bethenny hanging out in their apartment or jumping naked into a pool? Not what I’d do, but it’s their decision as adults. Bryn is such a precious, vulnerable child and my protective instincts kick in.

        Thanks for the welcome! Good to see you, too!

      • @tweatcyn says:

        LOL, I at first read this as “a pedaphile may be watching…like YOU.” he he. sorry. Personally, I don’t have a problem with showing nude infants, but get more uncomfortable/protective as they become toddlers, young children. Infants are just little angelic chubby cherubs to me.

    • kbinldo says:

      Well, it is quite common for people to take photos of their kids starkers, in the tub, on a rug, etc.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        yes, but not on national TV where a pedophile may be watching.

        • Waslurking says:

          No private parts of Bryn were shown last night and in previous episodes they have always blurred them.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            Yes. I know. I watch it too. I have formed my opinion based on watching it- so this is an informed, not misinformed opinion.

            Regardless of the blurring, it makes me uncomfortable.

  41. Kiki West says:

    Poor Bryn will grow up with her mother’s potty mouth. I hope when they do eventually divorce that Jason gets primary custody. Bethenny is too damaged to be a trusted parent.

    • viki55 says:

      Judgemental much?

    • Kotagirl29 says:

      FYI, my Mother and Father hardly ever swear and I swear like a sailor and MY son does not swear. As for hoping someone’s marriage and family breaks up . . .f-you and the high horse you rode in on.

      • quincyil says:

        My mother taught my children to swear. I was shocked when they came home from a visit to Grandmas. rotfl.

      • Sammysmom says:

        Wow, you said it. That was a nasty drive by. I am just like you, in that my parents never sware, I talk like a sailor (I was in the Army is the excuse I use and worked in restaurant business for years with mostly men) my son also doesn’t sware

      • Christine says:

        My husband calls me “gutter gums”. My parents almost never swore but I worked around men most of my life (I was a cop).

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        same here my mom would never even say Shit she would always say shhhugar

        when i get angry the things that come out of this mouth are so filthy they would make many a sailor blush

        just as a lil example and i apologixe in advance to anyone that finds it offensive
        on my twitter home page i have this up

        Someone once called me a dick i replied well you are what you eat
        LOL

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      oh Kiki West- you crazy troll you.

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Really? Well, as long as she is potty trained, the potty mouth can be dealt with. A non potty trained person would be much worse. When we are adults, we do have the ability to choose our vocabulary and even (gasp!) adjust it in various situations! My dad was a Navy Seal AND Marine Recon—I have a VERY extensive vocabulary and the ability to use the Fword in almost every form of speech (noun, verb, pronoun, adverb, adjective–etc.) but CHOOSE not to do so in the presence of those it might offend. In other settings we have had contests to see who can produce a sentance with the most curse words in it and use olympic score cards for originality, variety and creativity. And while I am sure that Jason and Bethanny thank you most sincerely for your concern for their daughter and their marital status, potty mouth syndrome does not equate to being too damaged to raise your child.
      *Duchess hops down off her @?”&^^^% Soap Box and #*$^^%@@ her #*$&&%^^ large tush to the $&$^^## sofa.*

      • viki55 says:

        How wonderful to see you! It has been awhile!!

        • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

          Hiya Viki! Is that a new kitty pic? Anyone heard from my Kat?

          • viki55 says:

            It’s actually a little girly dog, named Kati:) Wow, haven’t seen Kat in ages and ages. There seems to be a lot of coming and going. How have you been?

            • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

              Well, that is one cute (and tiny) doggie! I have been good, and I have been lurking, just haven’t been able to hang out for a while. I AM A GRADUATE!!! And I did it 4 months early with an A average. So now on to the interviews (I hope). How’s things by you?

      • Kotagirl29 says:

        You are f***ing now my f***ing new f***ing hero. A scored swearing game, I am so f***ing stealing that s**t. I 1 million percent agree that an adult can choose the time and place for profanity (or even something slightly off-color). I have worked with corporate executives and said nothing more profane than dang and worked in a garage where we didn’t say anything without a few well-placed expletives. There are so many more harmful things than a few curses. What about teaching your kids that buying school clothes at the mall (where the masses shop) is a bad thing? Or valuing pride and possessions over people? Or lying? Or any of the other million rotten things that ALL the other housewives are guilty of.

        • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

          We used to play dirty” mad libs ” too. There. Just showed my age. LOL. I have never been a Hero before, will this require a costume? With a large F on the front? That game was hysterical. My mom used to tell me it was a “sad waste of a Journalism degree”, but she would be cracking up the whole time she was chastising us!

        • katiecoo says:

          Even the Christians swear on RH!!! lol

    • Noreen says:

      As opposed to JZ’s “Alex McCord is such an f***ing bitch”? How dainty!

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        Right? Break out the big hats and tea cookies, lift that pinkie finger and whatever you do, do NOT break wind. (it could get trapped in your panty hose and make it look like your ankles have swelled!)

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          aren’t there Spanz for that?

          • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

            Apparently there are now. Jill made them. And if you order right now you will get a bonus copy of “THE BOOK” and a free guideline to creating the perfect copy cat face lifting ponytail worn by REAL celebrities!

    • cusi77 says:

      KK_OMG! That sounds toooooo mean if it comes from the mouth of another woman! I thought just JZ and KK or LooseAnn could be that horrible human beings! Shame on you!

    • mariareads says:

      You mean like JZ calling Alex a fucking bitch to one of the producers? You mean potty mouth like that? Oh deranged troll, you really need to get your head out of Kelly/Jill’s ass.

    • lillybee says:

      ? explain please

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      Hi Jill

  42. VAgirl says:

    Don’t know if I’m just having a bad day or in a bad mood or what, but there seems to be a lot of negativity on the blog today. I really feel down about it and don’t know why. Maybe too much analysis paralysis going on. I come here for great discussion and levity and just not feeling the good vibe I usually do. Think I’ll take a little break. I’ll be back sometime soon.

    • quincyil says:

      I think Sonja has a great idea with the “water off a duck’s back.” Bethenny doesn’t let blogs or comments bother her.

      • VAgirl says:

        I actually came back to re-read my post to make sure I didn’t say anything offensive and just wanted you to know that neither this blog nor any comments have offended me. I’m pretty thick-skinned. Just not into the housewives right now, that’s all. It’s me, not you. LOL! I’ll be back. Just need a little break from it.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        too bad Sonja doesnt practice what she preaches
        on one had she sayd that she and alex made up withing 48 hours but on the other hand she is still lying about the march now she says that when they asked her to speak Alex was only marching
        well if that was true and Sonjas original claim was that she would only do it if she was the only housewive to speak WHY would the organizers of the even ask Alex AFTERWARDS
        if Sonja would just admit it was her fault and she is sorry we would all let it go by now as it is she is the one making it go on forever

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      nnnoooooo- don’t gooooooo!

    • Sammysmom says:

      Well, here’s hoping that it will smooth out and be beautiful to you again. I heard that the time slots on ABC that were for AMC and OLTL are gonna be a Tim Gunn fashion show and a “view” like show about food called “chew”. Maybe Bethenny will be part of it and hence the move to California.

  43. Adgirl says:

    Bethenny does have Potty Mouth.
    But guess what?? Jason apparently LOVES that. He cracks up every single time!!! I am always amused that Jason who grew up in “Mayberry”, so openly adores raunchy talk, slutty undies and scatalogical humor. I think it is hilarious.

  44. Kiki West says:

    I don’t care what anyone says, Jill is probably a more nurturing and stable parent than Bethenny. She has so many issues that it will take an army of therapists for her to make any breakthough. She could probably do with a healthy dose of medication too. I know people in NY who have encountered her on more than one ocassion and she isn’t a nice person.

    • viki55 says:

      Kelly? Is that you? Come on, you can tell us, we won’t tell anyone. I think it was the “breakthrough” (corrected spelling) that clued me in.

    • Kotagirl29 says:

      Trollin’, trollin, trollin, keep them doggies trollin’ along.

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Yeah, sending your kid to a fat farm on national tv, and writing a book of advice “to her” (as is the premise of THE BOOK—motherly advice to girls everywhere) that includes gold digging and blow jobs for jewelery, plus the example of Amazon Gate are EXCELLENT examples of great parenting. * Sigh *

    • Shannon says:

      OMG!!! You gotta worn people before you say something that crazy. I almost spit my Pepsi out onto my computer.

    • mariareads says:

      Really? Watching her send her daughter off to WEIGHT CAMP & then denying it when the proof is on tape? Really? Watching her talk about giving BJ to BAWWWWBBYYY so she can get a car, more jewelry and tacky re-do’s of her yucky apartment? Watching the lies at last year’s reunion with her yelling “prove it prove it” when it was all proved by re-watching the season recently?
      Watching her force her daughter to kiss and hug Bobby when it is absolutely clear that she is not at all comfortable with that? Be gone troll. You are in love with Jill Zarin. Bethenny gets called out on here all of the time, but at the end of the day she is not the monster Jill is.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      Jill cut the crap if you were so nuturing why is ally an only child ?

  45. Kiki West says:

    So many of the Bethenny devotees cannot see the forest for the trees. Their blinding hatred of Jill/unreasoning love for Bethenny is moronic to say the least. Just imagine what they would do with their time if the season 3 feud had never occurred.

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Can’t reply for the others, but I was not a fan from Season 1. The Zarin is just not a nice gal, or is edited very poorly. However, I can tell you that I believe if season 3 had not happened we would all still be here (we were here before then!) sipping our Pinot, eating our Cheese Cake and snarking on over-inflated egos everywhere! See, not a single curse word in the whole response. AND I find it interesting that in 2 of your posts now you have used EXACT phrases from Jill in recent interviews—so who is the one drinking the Kool Aid?

      • viki55 says:

        So glad you back;) Good catch!

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Like you – I disliked Jill from season one! If you know someone like Jill you know that person will never change, grow, forgive (for real not for show) or be happy for anyone other than herself.

      • floridagirl88 says:

        Why is it Jill thinks she can disguise herself as a poster on this blog? Here we all are, chatting and having fun, snarking and sharing, talking about everything under the sun, when boom! someone lets loose a stinky. Jill? yes we know it’s you. Go back to your own blog and all your fabulous friends.

        Now, where were we…

    • PJ says:

      Why goodness honey we would all have to sit in a corner and stare out the window.

    • Sam says:

      Fess up. You’re the woman who writes that horrible blog mentioned upthread.

      Mention you, and you’re summoned, right?

    • Mookies1mom says:

      That’s a pretty dress you are wearing.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Can you not read the posts? The first 2 episodes Bethenny got ripped here. The last two episodes have been lighter and funnier. This is an equal opportunity blog. All comments (as long as they are respectful) are posted. FYI Jill’s behavior OFF CAMERA has been just as detrimental to her reputation than her behavior on the show.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      what are you doing with yours besides buying crappy hats at auction to try and make a profit LOL

  46. jeang says:

    Kelly, take your meds and GO TO SLEEP.

  47. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    Sort of off topic, but while discussing parenting issues is anyone watching “The Judds”?

    • Noreen says:

      I saw a wee bit last night. Is it worth getting into?

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        All I can say is THAT is a family with some issues. I loved them in the heyday of their career and read Naomi’s book a long time ago. Now apparently the whole book was lies, Wynonna was lied to about her father’s identity and never got to meet him as he died right after she found out, and a big ol’ laundry (yes intentional pun) list of other stuff. They are filming themselves as they go on tour to “try and heal their relationship.” Not sure if I can make it through yet, but it sure puts the whole potty mouth conversation into perspective!

        • Noreen says:

          The Judds to me are like some alien creatures I can never understand. They kinda fascinate me, but I just don’t get their culture. Although I would like to look like Ashley and sign like Wynonna.

    • Brigid A. says:

      Hi Duchess! I have not watched the Judds and don’t know much about Naomi or Wynona, aside from how amazingly young Naomi looks! She is ageless it seems. Have you seen it? I’d be interested in reading Ashley’s recent autobiography though. It’s interesting that she is not participating in the show, or is she?

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        No, and from the rumors, she has not spoken to her mom in a long time. She was apparently really ticked off that her mom hid the fact that she and Wy had different Dads. It is really kind of sad, because I used to think it was so cool that a mother and daughter could tour and be that close and now, we are finding out it was all waaaaay more complicated than any of us knew. That is why I am not sure I can watch the whole series. It is seriously mind blowing if you were a Judd fan.

        • Brigid A. says:

          In the reviews of Ashley’s new book, there was talk that Ashley was estranged from Naomi and Wynona. Seems like these ladies have always had complicated relationships. Ashley seems to be a good writer though and I may read it if it’s available at the library.

          • kbinldo says:

            Ashley also had one of the best “Who Do You Think You Are?” episodes this year, looking strictly at her father’s side of the family. She uncovered the fact that one of her ancestors was on the Mayflower.

          • ImaJillHater2 says:

            I am reading Ashley’s book; I’m about 1/3 the way through. I think its very well done. Yes, she does address family issues, as well as her recovery from the dysfunction.

            A significant portion of her book also describes her work & experiences with an international health organization (an NGO). I think her book is important in that she does a good job of highlighting the issues that women & children face in developing countries.

            I think its an extraordinary book & I highly recommend it.

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          Ashley was sexually abused by one of her mother’s boyfriends as a child. Naomi was not a good mother to Ashley, dropping her off with other people, and not watching how her boyfriends affected her. Ashley said she grew up hearing her mother loudly making love with boyfriends. Sounds like a horrible way to grow up. So Naomi was very mad that Ashley published her book just as Naomi’s reality show was starting. Doesn’t seem to be any love lost amongst them. I watched some of the show & it was tacky. Naomi is self-absorbed & it looks like she is nuts to me. Wynnona has had a hard life dealing with her mother, her weight, & her husbands. Looks like it will be an awesome show!

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            I subscribe to O. In this month they featured Ashley’s favorite books.

            One of Ashleys favorite books is the Al-Anon Bible (or whatever it’s called) because someone close to her drank a lot and it affected her. I sat up a little straighter when I saw that.

          • NJ Bev says:

            I’ve seen a few episodes and it is funny. Naomi is
            extremely self-absorbed and still needs it to be
            “all” about her. She is vain and controlling. I am
            surprised that Winona is thisclose to being
            normal. Naomi is not aging with grace, her
            facial work is overdone and listening to her is
            painful….(sorry Brigid A., I know you said
            you think she looks good…)
            On a positive note, an old college friend
            is the Executive Producer of the show, so
            kudoze to her (this is her 5, or6th very
            successful series), I’m really looking forward to
            seeing how it unfolds…………..

    • kbinldo says:

      That family has more issues than National Geographic.

  48. Kelly_Has_Big_Shoulders says:

    I think Bethenny is and will continue to be a great mommy to Bryn.

  49. quincyil says:

    I have looked and looked for a post on Johnny Weir and Jill’s tweets during that time.
    They are on Lynn’s blogs from that period of time. I think the show was on Monday nights so Lynn’s blogs would be on Tues. She was just on before Thansgiving 2010 so that must have been week one. I think it was week two that all hell broke loose with that fight between Bethenny and Johnny behind the scenes. I know those tweets are here somewhere. I am going to dive in and see if I can find them for the board’s discussion.

    Q

    • quincyil says:

      from Lynn’s blog Nov. 23….

      Q: Do you watch Rachel Zoe’s show? Do you watch the Real Housewives? Which is your favorite — Atlanta, New Jersey, New York or Orange County?

      Johnny Weir: A: I love the Housewives! Rachel Zoe is also very funny, but I get jealous of the clothes so I don’t always watch, but I rarely miss Housewives. I loved all of them except the Orange County ladies. My favorite is probably Nene from the Atlanta group or Jill Zarin from NYC.

      And another article, Johnny Weir is quoted:

      With NYC neighbor Bethenny Frankel already tweeting about her practice sessions, we wanted to know if he’s a fan. “I don’t watch the (Real) Housewives of New York,” he confessed. But, “I’m a good friend of Jill Zarin. I always say that when someone asks me about Bethenny, but no, I’m open to all. I don’t show favorites in any way.”

      http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2010/11/johnny-weir-promises-to-be-tough-judge-on-skating-with-the-stars/1

      A little contradictory…oops!

      • Sammysmom says:

        That is so beyond perfect. Thank you for the post. It made me smile. Does that make me evil? I knew they were friends but that is messed up.

      • quincyil says:

        This is a good link from Lynn:

        http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6076768/skating_with_the_stars_and_other_housewives.html?cat=2

        I remember the Jill tweets and I don’t see them in Lynn’s blogs on SWTS. I know I didn’t put them in the finale that I wrote because I didn’t look at twitter then. I think they are buried in Dec. 2010’s comment sections on days after Lynn blogged as she added them as the fight raged on for days.

        Google doesn’t bring them up and there are sometimes 500 and more comments on those blogs now. One had 800 comments..

        My satellite internet has a hard time downloading anything over 300.

      • @tweatcyn says:

        And let’s not forget, Johnny was at the rink helping Jill with her birthday party skating routine when that pro coach yelled at her for getting in the way of the pro’s practice sessions.

        • quincyil says:

          LOL… yes, Jill was not happy.

          Lynn remembered the tweets as I can’t find them now.
          Lynn said that Jill told Johnny “to hang in there” and that Jill mentioned that she was his “friend.”

          I wish there was an easy way, but there is so much information on this site that it’s hard to find specific tweets unless you remember the day.

      • lovemamaearth says:

        Now we know why he was such an ass on the show.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        i recall one of the first times he said anything about betenny on twitter
        someone else was filling him in on the b/j break up and telling him what a bitch b was i wish i could recall who it was
        may have been perez but cant say for sure
        at first all johnny would say was how interesting and then it started getting shady this was when i first started telling him off and calling him Johnny Queered ( i know im so mean right but he was trashing Bethenny on hearsay)
        my tweets to him were d/m i wish i had saved them but then i would be more like Jill then anyone would wanna be
        what i found odd was he was at first acting like it was all new to him yet he is a good friend of Jills and she never mentioned it even after finding out they were gonna be on tv together
        doesnt sound right to me

  50. WindyCityWondering says:

    Jill still doesn’t get that the word “hate” is what is attracting people to this blog. The fact that all her efforts can’t seem to get a similar following at her “love” blog is very telling.

    • quincyil says:

      Yes, but the people preaching love are very negative people.

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        And isn’t it just ironic that this “hate” blog is filled with positive emotional support among it’s members? And really funny snark? And Cheesecake lovers? Yeah, this time around I wanna be on the “Hate” train!

        • justanothermary says:

          Anyone who believes this blog is truly about hate has never read it. I have found real “friends” here and the type of support that is very rare these days.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        right? interesting that a “hate” blog can have so much love- and a “love” blog have so much hate.

      • @tweatcyn says:

        Ain’t that the truth Q. I find they are far more vitriolic than we.

        • quincyil says:

          We don’t disparage who sections of our great nation either. It is disrespectful to pity people for the part of the nation that they live in. We may have small cities here, but we feed the people of planet Earth. Our farmers work into the night planting crops and caring for their livestock. I love all of the States and the Canadian Provinces. This is the bread basket of the world.

          • @tweatcyn says:

            you know, the other day someone said in comments “the fly over states”. the only other place I have heard that term was in Ilana Angels’s love blog about Lynn (link above).Same person?

  51. Kiki West says:

    You really have to pity poor Jill suffering the slings and arrows from harpies like the ones you find trolling this blog. It would kill a lot of you if Bethenny and Jill patched up their relationship. This blog would cease to be relevant.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Why? We would still hate Jill and love Bethenny, just the way we did when they WERE friends.

      Shouldn’t you be running along now?

    • 2Stupid says:

      How can you make up re: a fake/TV friendship? Aren’t they on different shows now? JZ stated it was all for the cameras, never real.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      ROFL This is funny on several levels.

    • Christine says:

      Thank you for following all of us. In the words of JZ “MUHAAAWWWW”.

    • Waslurking says:

      Ok….that’s it popcorn time!
      lol

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      Jill face it Beth dumped you
      for a better life
      now dont start boo hoo ing again
      you dont look that great beforehand but after a crying jag your positively hideous
      said in my very best witch hazel voice

      LOL

    • floridagirl88 says:

      Cut it out, Jill. We see you 🙂

  52. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now that is some funny S**t!
    First of all, whether Jill and B make up or not, Jill is still gonna be Jill.
    Second, this blog ranges in topics from Cancer survival to pet care tips to husband drama, kid issues, cooking tips as well as several other shows which you would know if you removed your head from in between The Zarin’s buttcheeks long enough to get a good whiff of oxygen and actually read some of them. The slings and arrows reference is pretty classic, though.

  53. Kiki West says:

    I really pity some of the posters here. Either they live in those ‘fly-over’ states or they really have no lives. Pet care? Cooking? Dryer lint? Indeed sad.

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      Yes our lives are so sad that we really only have time to post & pee. Isn’t it about time for you to take a pee break deary? If you have nothing more to entertain us with than your sorry complaints about the blog, then skedaddle along now.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Kelly is bored today.

    • cabbie413 says:

      you’re right here with us so.. stop projecting.

      and btw, tell us what fly over state your no-life having ass lives in..just for kicks n giggles – then move along!

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Yeah, the mundane stuff that makes up every day life when you have a family and spend your time caring for them, working, pursuing educational opportunities, chatting with friends, and taking breaks from the big issues like Cancer, The Economy, World Peace and The Real Housewives Series. No one brought up discussing dryer lint, so I assume this is an attempt to engage me directly? Now my “handle” does not suit your taste? How about cheesecake? Wanna fight about cheesecake? Your posts sound so bitter, but maybe that is understandable. I think alot of us would be bitter little trolls if we were forced to go through life attached to a name like Kiki. Bless your shriveled little blackened, shit stirring heart! We in the “fly over” states with our little lives and all the love those lives bring to us, and our little blog and all the joy it brings to us will pray for you and hope someone somewhere gives you the attention you so desperately seem to need as you have been forced to lower yourself to come here and—-well, exactly what was your purpose in coming here? You hate the blog, the subject of this blog seems to be an especially sore topic for you (so please get off your obsessed soap box, you are obviously no better than any of us peasants in the “fly over” states in that respect!) so, knowing that, why did you come here? Perhaps because you have less life than you imagine even us having? Nothing better to do? Seriously. Bless you. And I have the power to do so, I am a Duchess—I outrank a Countess any day!

      • Christine says:

        My husband refers to me as the Empress of Field of Dreams Farm (our little slice of heaven horse farm in one of the flyover States).

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          That reminds me of the movie Field of Dreams, about a farmer in one of the best flyover states building a baseball diamond…ah memories. It was such a beloved movie that people went to that field, in that particular flyover place, just to see the field of dreams where the movie was shot. Our troll needs to find it in his/her heart to believe in something wonderful as then life is worth living. Especially is a flyover state!

          • Christine says:

            BlueSky,
            The name was chosen 1. because I have ridden horses all of my life but couldn’t devote the time and $ to them until we retired and 2. my husband, being a city boy, always wanted land and a little farm. Voila – 2 dreams come true.
            Couple of other comments – Kelly calling herself an equestrian is an insult to real horsewomen. Leasing a horse for the summer is a joke. A bond must be created between horse and rider where you move as one in body and mind, and that takes years of training and trust. There are horses, and I have one, who can make any rider look good. We use our Big Joe as a lesson horse for kids between 8 and 15 as a confidence booster.
            As for our troll, well some hearts are just too black to see the small beauties. I try to take a lot of my time everyday to stop and smell the horses :D.
            P.S. the more I watch Luann, Sonja, JZ, Kelly and a # of others in many of the HW cities, the more I like my animals.

            • BlueSky_Forever says:

              I love animals too, sometimes more than people. My dogs always make me feel happy. You are lucky to live out your dreams in real life Christine. I grew up riding horses on my cousin’s farm. They continue to keep horses as they are in love with that lifestyle. It’s a wonderful way to live.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      Let’s see now.

      Up thread Quincy posted that we here at Lynn’s blog don’t make fun of fly over states.

      I thought that was sort of odd- where did that come from? Seemed a little Off topic.

      Then I realized that the “Love Blog”-tress had made fun of flyover states.

      And lo and behold- here is a troll making fun of fly over states.

      So trollie, you are unmasked. Now are you sure you want to stay and play, cause last time I checked your blog was wiiiideee open.

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        Time stamp shows Q posted that after probably reading the fly over state post by our voice of reason up there. I think she was responding both to the post in the line and the more recent attempted insult from little Kiki.

    • jeang says:

      And so your pathetic life is so non fabulous that you have all this extra time to come here and read our comments? Be gone with your non fabulous old wrinkled ass kelly, go crash a party someone and get your picture taken so you can tweet it.

    • @tweatcyn says:

      Oh, it was here! Hello Ilana Angel, aka Kiki West. I know you live in the West (LA) and you’re as crazy as Kiki(let) Kelly. Don’t deny it’s you Troll. Too F’ng funny. EXPOSED! No go take your meds sweetie.

    • Kotagirl29 says:

      Okay maybe my redneck ass is just to dumb to understand, but it seems to me in previous posts we were pathetic and petty because all we do is blindly put people on pedestals and discuss people we don’t really know and now we are pitiable because we also talk about real life issues? I eat so I like a good recipe, I have a drier and have to clean lint frequently, and I have four rescue dogs so I care and have concerns about my own and other people’s pets. I just never knew what a sad and pathetic human being I am. Whew, thanks for pointing it out for me Kiki West, I’m sure my small mind could never have figured that out without your help.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      and yet here you are with us all
      ps that pony tail looks really really bad

    • janet says:

      I live in florida, Jill wanabe! I didn’t like Jill from the time Ginger licked her nose out! Jill just sat there like she was doped up. It was gross! The only fly-over we have here is Westpalm airport or Fort lauderdale. I don’t think you believe your own crap. Jill is disliked by at least 75% of people as poles have shown. If you were in the majority where the hell are they on this board?

  54. Kiki West says:

    I prefer authentic and charitable people who do good. Not people like Bethenny who enjoy snarking behind people’s backs.

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      just people who troll on blogs right? So much more noble

      • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

        Well, did you genuflect properly and thank the heavens for the gift of little Kikikins being willing to humble herself and lower herself to dwelling among the peasants for a bit? Noble and self sacrificing. That is our little Kiki!

    • vilzvet says:

      two of Kelly’s most overused words…things that make you go hmmmmm…

      • AZ Girl says:

        Absolutely correct. Now Kelly go look at a map of Africa and at the northern point you will see where Morocco is.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        nah i think its Shrill throwing yet another friend under teh bus
        Krazy couldnt post that cohesively if she paid an intern to type it for her

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Oh, see and I was impressed with the whole slings and arrows thing. Now I must revise my opinion. No points for the obvious. Boooo. Boooooo, I say.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      UpperWestSideDude, why do you keep hiding like this? What a coward you are, why not use your original name, we all know you as UWSD!

      As your buddy NeNe would say…BAM..BUSTED!

    • Sam says:

      I see you didn’t respond to my accusation that you’re the writer of that “bash Bethenny” blog mentioned earlier, the one by the bitter Jewish woman. So I’m going to assume I’m correct, and that you lead a very sad, small life. (Which, judging by the nature of your posts here, is certainly true whether or not you’re the blogger in question.)

    • lovemamaearth says:

      ROFLMAO. You just can’t help yourself.

    • kbinldo says:

      Then I guess you hate Luann too.

    • Nancy says:

      I think you are talking about Jill.

    • Nancy says:

      Kelly,
      It’s medication time.

  55. PJ says:

    Yes we have all been abducted by aliens and dissected and had out brains replaced by alien brains. We will conquer the world earthling.

    BTW KiKi dear, why are you here? Doesn’t your being here put you in the category you mentioned? Just asking.

    Oh got to go pee now. Lynne allows us one pee break every eight hours and I don’t want to miss mine. I’m sure you will be back; it’s like a car wreck you just can’t turn away. Till next time, go and report to your leader.

  56. AZ Girl says:

    Just read Part 2 of the Kelly B interview over at “I Love Housewives” blog. Ummmm somebody help me here. Is Morocco considered East Asia? I thought Morocco was in North Africa? Kelly says she studied about East Asia to prepare for her trip to Morocco.

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Be glad she didn’t try and enroll in NASA thinking it was on Saturn.

    • vilzvet says:

      You’re right, it is definitely in North Africa, actually very close to Europe! Nowhere near East Asia. Good going, Kelly the Colombian graduate.

      • AZ Girl says:

        You can actually take a ferry to Spain from Morocco. That is how close the two landmarks are.

    • quincyil says:

      You are kidding. She said that? I knew that they went to Marrakesh right away. There was a desert and an city with a sook. I saw the costumed performers and knew it was Marrakesh even though I had never been there.

      The coastal cities of Morrocco has forests and little desert. If you want a camel ride, you go to the interior.

      • AZ Girl says:

        This is from the interview:

        I heard you say on the previews that Morocco was the trip of a life time. Where would your next dream trip take you?

        I studied a bit about East Asia, and I have always been intrigued by that culture. I’d also love to take my girls on a safari to see the amazing animals up close.

      • AZ Girl says:

        I guess I read it wrong. Long day after the office. Did not see the second part on my phone about your “next” dream vacation. Sorry gang. Need to quite using my phone to post.

        • OneMoreInBoston says:

          oh- you so crazee! But soooo glad you’re here!

          • AZ Girl says:

            Well I had a 4 a.m. rise and shine this morning and by this time of the day I have no business reading anything on my phone and more importantly posting a comment about what I read. I am too tired. My bad.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          that was an easy mistake i had to read it over and over before i posted what i thought she meant
          and knowing Krazy like we do you could still be right about what she assumes

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Maybe she meant middle east? From Wiki: The Middle East is a region that encompasses Western Asia and North Africa. It is often used as a synonym for Near East, in opposition to Far East. The corresponding adjective is Middle-Eastern and the derived noun is Middle-Easterner.

  57. Goosey says:

    I think if you pay her enough she’d be willing to on a 24-hour live feed, seven days a week.

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      Who? Jill, Kelly, or our adorable little Kikikins? They all seem to need a bit more attention than the real world is providing right now!

    • AZ Girl says:

      Now I would watch that! Forget Charlie Sheen. Pay her in gummy bears she will do it.

  58. FlowerPower says:

    Oh, I love when the Troll Trolley comes to town! It’s even better than the Wells Fargo Wagon. Little trollies hop off like obnoxious tourists not knowing how to behave, they sling their sh*t, then they’re off again and I’m left thanking my lucky starts that I found this wonderful blog filled with intelligent, funny posters who can argue, agree to disagree, and keep coming back day after day to share their lives.

    It doesn’t matter to me whether the troll is JZ, one of her relatives, or her fan–each comment speaks for itself–nasty, hate-filled, inaccurate, snobbish–just like JZ.

    So, thank you, Lynn for creating this space. It’s obviously *the* place to be.

    You are known by the company you keep.

  59. Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

    Whooo Hoooo! (sorry for the unseemly Vicki visual) Hubs just offered to take me out to dinner—No dishes tonight!

    • AZ Girl says:

      Have a wonderful night! You deserve it. Been working and studying hard.

      • Dani says:

        Have a great time DODL. I am so glad that you are posting again. I have missed your great sense of humor.

    • BlueSky_Forever says:

      have a celebretory dinner Duchess, so glad you graduated & that you’re back to posting – missed your sense of humor!

  60. Kiki West says:

    My work here is done. I will let you wallow in your own mire.

  61. OneMoreInBoston says:

    ppsstt…

    Kiki? you silly!

    You’ve been a very bad boy lately.

    oops! My bad- that what drove you off the board- now I ‘member! hey sorry about that- nothing personal right?

    How was I to know that WestSideDude would get his tightie whities in a knot?
    Or Zaquisha Obama get her panties in a twist?

    Anyhoo- why don’t you just come back as yourself? You get busted like every 3 months or so for trolling here, so it’s pretty obvious that you miss it- what’s a few hundred profane mysongynist rantings between friends? 4 realz

    • Duchess of Dryer Lint says:

      A misongynist that names himself after a woman, and a VAPID woman at that? Those are issues that just CAN’T be fixed! 🙂

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        but so much fun!!!

        • NJ Bev says:

          I remember Zaquisha Obama, it was raining one of the
          days he /she was posting, I’m laughing so hard right now-
          It’s funny how some of the stuff stays with you, I am really having myself a good chuckle. OH, i crack myself
          up……. 🙂

    • Sam says:

      Oh! I know the guy you’re talking about!

      But what I don’t know is why anyone would want to be a repeat troller. They remind me of those people who spread computer viruses “just for fun.”

      • quincyil says:

        When he first came, I liked him and respected him.

        • Sam says:

          Then I’m probably thinking of the same guy.

          I wonder what makes someone change like that. He sounds so miserable now.

        • BlueSky_Forever says:

          He could come back as TheStrawThatStirsTheMire or some other funny moniker. I remember his posts from long ago & they were very good. UpperWestSideDude come back & party with us dude!

  62. molly says:

    Hate to say it, but Beth is having some major Kelly moments this season (inappropriate breakdowns in front of others, making everyone super uncomfortable)

    • quincyil says:

      Yes. It was a rough time. I can’t imagine the stress of going on TV to skate like that. How many women would take on such a challenge?

      • AZ Girl says:

        As Bethenny said to her therapist “I took on too much” she did and I personally could not have that much on my plate with a small baby. This is the difference between Jill and B. She acknowledges her mistakes and takes ownership. Jill does not. Jill blames everyone else and the moon.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      And Bethenny identified, owned, is getting help with and apologized for all of them – which is what makes her someone we can relate to, understand and forgive. Kelly is still undiagnosed, unapologetic and unwilling to admit she might have a problem that clearly has made other people feel uncomfortable or unsafe in her presence.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        Might have a problem ??
        your being way to generous
        that Lady is one krazy bitch who is def 1 fry short of a happy meal

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Kelly couldn’t handle opening a twinkie much less roasting a turkey.

  63. molly says:

    major breakdown at her bday, major breakdown at a family holiday-wow, how fun for her guests and family. Love B truly-but hate that kind of selfish behavior

    • quincyil says:

      I would not describe it as selfish. I think she has a temper the boils over. Alex McCord said that she has a really long fuse and when that fuse is gone, she blows up. I think Bethenny has a really short fuse.

      Bethenny will have to work hard to control this and to create an environment where she can handle the stress. The therapist is really doing a great job and with the help of her family and close friends, I think she can make this change.

      • Dani says:

        quincyil I agree and I think that Bethenny will work on this for Jason and Bryn. I don’t think their are any of us that haven’t gone off and after been embarrassed by our actions.

        • lovemamaearth says:

          I agree. The best part is B doesn’t pretend to think she’s perfect. I can’t imagine taking on all she’s done in such a short time plus learning to live with a husband and baby. Plus the both of them learning to deal with fame and some wealth.

          I loved Gina and so glad she’s doing ok. I can’t wait to see the next Nick episode.

          And I loved that the men took over the kitchen. And B LET THEM! lol Progress in baby steps.

          • DJ Loops Fruit says:

            yeah that was funny all the women in the living room talking and the men doing the cooking
            and it looked like they did a great job of it too

            what matters really that in the end it all turned out fine
            B apologized and they moved on
            trust that looked like a gentle thanksgiving to some of the ones i attended and have over the years my own lil meltdows at

        • quincyil says:

          Every one that I have ever known has highs, lows, ups and downs. Bethenny is sharing her Ramonacoaster with us. Everyone had a temper.

          I think her therpist is a very smart and caring man. I’m sure he is very expensive. LOL

          • butterisafruit says:

            I just saw this show, two seconds ago. I don’t think she cracked or had a melt down.
            To me she can’t tolerate anything that throws her plans off course. She gets hyper and
            runs her mouth. Maybe there was more to the scene than what I got. I’m from an Irish family what I just saw was mild LOL.

            I gotta say this though. I never carve a bird or a roast without testing with a thermometer first. Especially when it’s stuffed. And no matter how wonderful your oven is..mine is great. A five dollar oven thermometer should be used too.

            • justanothermary says:

              I am Irish also and have been known to have the occasional “break through” but by the time I was Bethenny’s age I had learned that it’s not fair to my guests and/or family to have to endure my outbursts just because they’re a part of who I am. I do think selfish may be the right word. It’s just wrong to make everyone uncomfortable just because things did not go as planned.

              • butterisafruit says:

                You’re right there Justanothermary. She’s a bit old to be losing her cool in front of her own guests.

                • DJ Loops Fruit says:

                  but really who is to say that
                  everyone is different
                  B is just now getting therapy
                  some need it more then others some know more about themselfs then others and dont need the therapy
                  and keep in mind this was the first thanksgiving with the in laws that alone could cause a meltdown at any age

            • DJ Loops Fruit says:

              italian here AND from New Jersey so you can just imagine our thanksgivings
              also agree about the therometer
              and i no longer stuff the bird as it seems to dry it out

              • TLM says:

                Dj, were there any Thanksgiving table flips? LOL.

                • DJ Loops Fruit says:

                  i came close one year it was at mt sisters and my aunt was making a fuss that i ate the last of the mashed potatoes and didnt i know my grand mother wanted them mind you there were two people there from switzerland that my sister met in europe the year before so i felt totally humilated and i just got up and left the house and walked home
                  i was in my late 20s so im really embarrased to admit this
                  how i over reacted and made such a spectacle of myself over mashed potatoes
                  i didnt know at the time that i had diabeties and that my sugar was most likly way up there from all rthe rich food and helped my explosion
                  BUT i didnt flip the table LOL

            • TLM says:

              To me it was more of a meltdown when they were having drinks on the roof of that hotel, and she started crying, shouting and talking so fast Jason could hardly stop her. A lot of times I don’t know how he has patience for that. It was the same kind of thing at the birthday party where she said, “You’re looking at me like you don’t even know me.” When she goes crazy like that, it can be hard to take. I like her, but I can see how that could make other people dismiss her as crazy or too intense.

              • Anne says:

                Maybe Bethenny is bi-polar? Some mood stabilizing medication might be needed with her talk therapy.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      do you honestly believe having a breakdown is selfish ?
      and on national tv no less ?

  64. FlowerPower says:

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/19/liquid-eyelift-good-alternative-to-plastic-surgery/

    Saw this tonight about liquid eye lift. Is this what JZ had done?

    • quincyil says:

      Part of it. I googled Jill Zarin just now. It seems they inject filler in certain places like the edges of the face and it lifts and pulls the skin tight. She also has botox in the forehead and neck.

      If she and Bobby are happy, that is all that matters. I’m sure she doesn’t want a wrinkle to be on her face.

      She said it can be painful. I am sure all of those needles full of chemicals could hurt. I bet you might feel puffy too.

      She said that a makeup artist contoured her face with dark makeup. Oprah does that and has for years.

      If they injected somewhere near the nose and it pulled the skin in the nostrils, I guess that would account for the changed nose.

      I believe her.

      • FlowerPower says:

        Thanks Q. I must admit I do feel kinda bad for women who feel like they have to do that kind of stuff to themselves. What happens years from now if you keep shooting this stuff into your body? There must be long term consequences. Is it worth it for the short term ego boost?

        • butterisafruit says:

          Flower, I think you’re right. Although I don’t know very much. I’m sure others here are more aware of the long term affects. I think it has to do something to the muscles. I say this because my husband is to be scheduled to have botox injected into his muscles to help stop spasms. Apparently it’s not a new treatment but it’s becoming used more and more. Mostly for stroke victims. Which is what he is.

        • quincyil says:

          I think streching the skin may have consquences, but Jill have the money for surgery so she will eventually look just like Gloria.

    • TLM says:

      On Wendy Williams yesterday she explained it…it’s Restylane I think, injected around the perimeter of the face, and she said she’s been doing Botox on her forehead and chin and neck.

      She also said because she had bangs for years, she “never saw her forehead” until she started doing this ponytail hairstyle. Huh? Don’t you see it when your hair is wet out of the shower? And if you never saw your forehead, why have you been doing forehead Botox for years? I don’t get her at all.

  65. lovemamaearth says:

    Is the new look on twitter, permanent? And there’s a #1 by the person’s name now.

  66. ann little says:

    I think I’ll just leave this here:

    http://www.dlisted.com/2011/04/19/jill-zarin-did-not-go-under

    LOVE the comparison to Dilbert in a wig LOL

    • lovemamaearth says:

      Makes me wonder if Jill has a mirror.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        before the hair color change and added poneytail i dont think the look on the right was that bad i dont even mind the bangs being gone

  67. Smompy says:

    Sorry to drag this down here, but I can never seem to reply directly to an individual comment. Anyhow, up the page a bit Quincy wrote:

    ” I see Bethenny differently now. Her own family forgives her like Jill’s family forgives Jill.”

    Qunicy ,what did you mean when you said Bethenny’s family forgives her? Her only biological family member is her mother. When did Bethenny’s mother forgive her and what exactly did she forgive Bethenny for…being honest about the fact that she was an awful parent? And even if she did indeed “forgive” Bethenny, wouldn’t she have cancelled that out when she sold Bethenny’s childhood photos to the tabloids? Or when she called the tabloids again to announce that Bethenny was only doing DWTS to piss off Jill Zarin? Or when she publicly called her own daughter a big fat liar for saying she didn’t ice skate all that well? That’s her brand of forgiveness?

    As for Bethenny’s only other ” family,” her stepfather, John Parisella, from what I’ve read and heard, he doesn’t seem to think Bethenny needs to be forgiven. After all, he has corroborated a good deal of what Bethenny said about her mother and her childhood. Plus, Bethenny has called him the only father she ever really knew, and she’s publicly thanked him for trying to make her life better. That’s not generally the type of thing that would require forgiveness IMO.

    “I think Bethenny cutting Jill off is Bethenny running to Miami when she had a fight with Jason I.”

    LOL were we watching the same channel? Bethenny did not cut Jill off. It was the other way around. I’m about 99.999% sure that I witnessed Jill spend the better part of a season loudly saying things like, “I had to cut Bethenny out of my life like a cancer” to anyone who’d listen, and I also recall Jill rejecting Bethenny’s many repeated attempts to work things out, And Bethenny didn’t exactly “run away” from Jason1 either. She only went to Miami for a few days and then was right back home with him again. Plus, from everything I’ve heard, it was in fact Jason1 who eventually broke off the relationship, not Bethenny.

    “OK, the painting in her living room…. the one Jason loved in an art gallery and she secretly purchased and gave him at their rehearsal dinner.. It is a bride running away and the groom is chasing her…. ”

    Yes, it was a painting of a runaway bride, but that painting was a self-deprecating joke between Bethenny and Jason. It didn’t have a particularly deep or serious meaning, as far as I can tell.

    “Bethenny has run away from so many people that she loved rather than deal with them and accept them for who they are. ”

    Huh? Could you list some of these beloved people Bethenny has run away from. Her mother? That’s possible on some level, perhaps, but even if that is actually the case, her mother ran away from Bethenny AT LEAST at much as Bethenny ran away from her mother. Aside from Mrs. Mother-of-the-Year, I’m not aware of any other loved ones that Bethenny ran away from. I certainly can’t think of any loved ones she ran away from simply because she couldn’t accept them for who they were. I mean, she did apparently break off one or more previous engagements, but I don’t think it had anything to do with her inability to accept the fiancés for who they were. I believe she broke off those engagements because she rightly came to the realization that she was about to enter into a lifetime commitment with someone who really wasn’t right for her and who she wasn’t actually in love with, That seems like a sensible, mature decision to me, not the cowardly act of running away.

    Bethenny doesn’t seem to run away from her friends either. Most of the friends we’ve seen on the show were not newbies that Bethenny recently acquired. They all seem to be longtime pals. She’s still quite friendly with some of her exes as well, evidently. And she didn’t run away from Alex, Simon or Ramona. Understandably, they don’t see them much of each other these days, but she is clearly still friendly with them. After experiencing all the crap that Jill, Kelly and Luann have aimed at her in the past, could any reasonable person really expect Bethenny to go out of her way to try to form some sort of “friendship” with any of those three bishes, especially now that they’re not even working together? Doing so would not benefit her in any way but would almost certainly bring about a whole lot of stress & aggravation. I think Bethenny would have to be a masochist to do something like that.

    “Jill is the person she is…. Bethenny can’t tell Jill to change who she is….but she can learn to deal with Jill and her own mom…without “making them dead to her.” By cutting them off , she humiliates them and fuels the flames.”

    Again, huh? If a person makes a conscious decision to steer clear of some ex-friend who has a history of being malicious and vindictive toward them, then that person is guilty of humiliating the malicious, vindictive ex-friend? Seriously? And choosing not to seek out the company of someone who has deliberately tried to ruin your reputation and career (and who is still verbally attacking you at every opportunity) is tantamount to “fanning the flames”??? I’m really trying to understand the logic here, but I’m sorry, I just don’t get it.

    • firepainter says:

      Smompy – Well put! I was puzzled by Q’s post too. I think that B was right to walk away from Jill’s destructive toxicity. It’s called self preservation. I had to cut a toxic person from my life. It’s extremely hard to give up on someone you cared about but sometimes you just have to cut your losses and save yourself.

    • cusi77 says:

      Smompy_ You have interesting thoughts. I agree with you.

    • PJ says:

      I agree with you. I have no idea what on earth Quincy is talking about. Sometimes you have to cut toxic people out of your life because it isn’t emotionally healthy to be around them, even if they are your own family. I think Bethenny did the right thing, and you are correct it wasn’t actually Bethenny who cut Jill off; it was the other way around.

    • Waslurking says:

      ITA!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      ITA – Bethenny made her decisions based on more than anyone watching her on tv will ever know. It is not her responsiblity for the responses of either Jill or her mother.

    • quincyil says:

      Her family is Jason, Bryn and her in laws. She has created her own family.

      I don’t think she is friendly with her ex husband, his family or other boyfriends from the past other than Larry. I did read the book. Betheny had numerous monogamous relationships which she ended. Bethenny had business relationships that she also ended.

      I don’t believe that you have to cut toxic people out in a way that causes them to be more toxic. That is what happened with Jill. If Bethenny had been more diplomatic and not caused Jill to be humiliated publicly, the damage in the press would not continue for this length of time. Yes, Jill did the things that she did in season three and behind the scenes. Bethenny has a history with Jill and the other women that we know also. She has a biting wit/tongue.

      Jill goes to interviews and the journalists/anchors ask her about Bethenny. I know that Jill says things to groups about Bethenny also. I think Bethenny could have used damage control to her advantage.

      Bobby Zarin gave Jill good advice. He said that Jill should not have cut Bethenny out of her life, she should have “backed off.” I believe that Bethenny should have done the same.

      Jill and Bethenny are not enemies. They do not wish each other harm. They simply want to get on with their lives, but this feud rages like a hundred year War of the Roses and this was not necessary.

      • cusi77 says:

        Excuse me Quincy, I have never addressed to you directly but what exactly Bethenny did wrong? I know what I watched and the only person who humiliate Jill Zarin was Jill Zarin herself with her bad behavior.
        I have never read or heard Bethenny bashing Jill at ALL. I have heard and read Jill Zarin doing that to Bethenny, though.
        What Bethenny did wrong was to be successful in the eyes of Jill Zarin and not had begged for her forgiveness for longer time and accepting having her own TV program, presentations in TV, Etc. Bethenny in order to not humiliate JZ should have still being the underdog in your opinion? Otherwise, enlighten me please, I do not understand how B publicly humiliated JZ?

        • cusi77 says:

          To JZ:
          People are allowed to change their minds about a person and a situation.
          Forgiveness is a virtue, not a vice.
          Effort does not guarantee love… ask yourself why you put so much in that friendship. You were looking for security and safety and ultimate, constant devotion.
          But to truly give without keeping score. Then you are giving. You were giving points to yourself. Credits to the self validation bank account, to have a guarantee that you did more than the other person you might have wronged, to always have guarantee that at the end of the day, you have more points than the other person.
          What happens is that ultimately we have to question people’s love for us. Because what we gave to them wasn’t always out of love but selfish fear, so then we hold what we have given over their heads, refusing to forgive, feeling righteous… and it’s hard to feel loved when another person holds everything they have given over your head, much less reciprocate.

          • HD says:

            @ Quincy-I really don’t get this: “I don’t believe that you have to cut toxic people out in a way that causes them to be more toxic. That is what happened with Jill. If Bethenny had been more diplomatic and not caused Jill to be humiliated publicly, the damage in the press would not continue for this length of time.”

            Now you know I don’t let B slide on much. I don’t wear Bethanny colored glasses but that one you are gonna have to elaborate on.

            • housewifeaddict says:

              I think I understand what Q is saying. I’ve watched a similar situation unfold in my my real life in a work situation.

              My work friend cut a toxic person (after 3 years of trying to work it out) from a project team. She was publicly humiliated, and rather than just slinking away and recognizing she was toxic and why she was cut from the team – came out swinging (not literally) with a baseball bat. This is despite everyone in her organization recognizing that she’s toxic, putting her on progressive discipline, and her supervisor and the president of the firm talking to her about her behavior endlessly.

              So lesson learned – maybe we should have humored her instead of cutting her out of the project – because in the end we couldn’t get rid of her. (In my friend’s defense – he was sure she’d be fired and we would be rid of her – which really should have happened but she filed suit against the company).

              Bethenny – by ignoring Jill – has now infuriated Jill to the point where Jill can’t stop talking about her. She may not stop until she makes them both look like pieces of garbage. That’s the rub. If B could have figured out a way to say – “I’ll always love you but we’ll just ease off on our friendship” rather than “I just don’t see us ever being friends again” maybe Jill would have turned her toxicity elsewhere. Who knows. Yes it’s Jill’s problem – but B had a few choices on how to manage her. Hindsight is 20/20 though – – –

        • PJ says:

          I agree with you Bethenny didn’t do anything.

          When Bethenny and Jill were still supposedly friends Jill went behind Bethenny’s back and tried to get other people not to film with Bethenny. The reason for this was to sabotage Bethenny success. Why? Because Jill was jealous that Bethenny became more successful than her. Friends don’t do that to friends. Jill was not a real friend. The only thing Bethenny did was to finally realize this and take appropriate action.

          How on earth do you end things with a toxic person so they don’t become more toxic? Saying that is like blaming Bethenny for Jill being toxic, it’s ridiculous. A toxic person IS toxic and always will be. Bethenny has no control over Jill’s toxicity. Bethenny just refused to allow Jill to continue to spread her toxic energy all over Bethenny and her family.

          • Kotagirl29 says:

            Claiming that a toxic person becomes more toxic when ignored sounds very similar, in my opinion, to women being blamed for getting raped because they wear revealing clothes or getting hit because they made the man mad. Since when is it okay to blame the victim?

      • quincyil says:

        Bethenny had a history of a temper with Jill. Jill, Bobby and Bethenny were in a restaurant in season one on Bethenny’s birthday waiting for for Jason I and Bethenny warned Jill about the conversation. Later, Bethenny did not like Jill’s word and threatened to stab her in the eye on TV. Bethenny made fun of Jill’s large breasts in a limo saying something about a nursing mother. The jokes from Bethenny were hurtful to Jill. In season and and two Jill let it slide. In the summer before season three, Bethenny sent that text and had no time for Jill so Jill decided to show her hurt to us and that was Jill’s downfall.

        People change. What is acceptible in a new relationship because tiring over time.

        A complete rejection of a toxic person is humiliating to the person rejected. It was humiliating to Bethenny when Jill did it. It is humiliating to Jill when Bethenny did it to her. Jill came around and apologized. Jill asked for forgivingess. Bethenny gave forgiveness, but continued the absolute rejection. That is painful to Jill as it would be to anyone. Jill thought this might happen because of Bethenny’s history and that is why Lisa sat next to Jill at the skating party at the end of season three and held Jill’s hand. When Jill and Lisa are on TV and a reporter brings this up, Lisa will take Jill’s hand and give her strength.

        I don’t like Jill Zarin. I think what she did with the phone call and not accepting Bethenny’s apology was wrong. Bethenny accepted the apology and hugged Jill, but she removed herself which is her right to do.

        All I am saying is, Bethenny’s hard fast rule of absolutely no contact with Jill and with her own mother causes Jill and her mother great pain. Both Jill and Bethenny’s mother react to that paini by making comments.

        You can be cordial. Cutting someone completely out of yout life takes effort and in my opinions shows that Bethenny is angry. Telling the camera that you are cutting your mother out of your life forever is an angry statement. She did not show a lot of emotion, but buying that anger takes a toll on Bethenny.

        Going to Chicago for a Bravo event when there is one down the street with Jill Zarin in attendance takes effort. It’s unneccessary.

        I think my opinions will not be popular here, but I watch Humans behave and I see the pain this has caused Jill who for all of her faults did open her home and heart to Bethenny for over two years.

        I think Jill is a good person to know from a distance. You say, “Hi,” and follow good manners in a greeting, but you don’t get close.

        In Hawthorne’s book, “The Scarlet Letter,” the sever punishment for adultery was to wear an “A” on your clothes and to be shunned by society. Jill and Bethenny’s mom have been shunned by Bethenny. They feel it and that is why they lash out.

        I think we all see the same things. I am just looking at the reactions of Jill and Bethenny’s mom and trying to explain their reactions. I think Bethenny could resolve the issues if she was cordial and removed the Scarlet letters from Jill and her mom.

        • PJ says:

          Jill opened her home and heart and then when Bethenny wasn’t the underdog any more Jill set her up so she could hurt her and dump her. Jill likes to have friends that are dependent on her she doesn’t like equal relationships.

          Quincy why are you going on about this? It’s so out in left field.

          • OneMoreInBoston says:

            Well. Crap.

            I may need another do- over.

            No- I think Quincy is on to something.

            Which is anger. Bethenny has anger. So do I.
            Bethenny’s anger at Julie on Thanksgiving was so mild compared to the abuse I have heaped on my staff that I am profoundly amazed and grateful every day that they are still with me, and support me as their employer.

            I am a work in progress, and so is Bethenny.

            I think that Q is saying that there *could* have been a better way to handle Jill, so she is not so hurt by Bethenny.

            While you and me (or you and I, I always screw that up) may say”f*ck Jill Zarin, who cares if she’s hurt!” Our Quincy cares about everyone, even on an I Hate Jill Zarin blog.

            • PJ says:

              Bethenny was nice to Jill at the reunion, she gave Jill her dignity. It isn’t Bethenny that is keeping this alive for the public, it’s Jill. Bethenny didn’t seek to renew her relationship with Jill, but Jill is the one that has made all this public. Out of respect for the friendship they had Bethenny refuses to trash Jill in public. Jill does not refuse to talk about Bethenny publicly. If Jill stopped talking about Bethenny would Jill still be as interesting to the public? Jill is playing this for all it’s worth.

              I’m sorry but I think all this anger talk, Bethenny should have handled it better stuff is way out in left field. Even if Bethenny could have handled it better Jill is still responsible for what comes out of her mouth; and that is what her public persona is based on. Jill needs to own her actions blaming Bethenny is really childish.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          I totally get what you’re saying Q – see my comments above.

        • janet says:

          B said you can’t give Jill an inch because she takes a mile. Jill tried to smother B and B told her to get a hobby!

    • ImaJillHater2 says:

      Totally agree with your take on B.

    • aquamarinecandy-o83 says:

      excellent post. my sentiments exactly. I had to cut a toxic person out of my life two years ago at this time, similar to Bethenny’s situation with Jill, and even though it was incredibly painful to do at the time, I knew I had to do it before the situation got out of control. I was so upset I had to cut out my ex-friend, but in doing so, in time, I experienced peace about the situation and that stress was finally lifted. It was the right decision. I don’t wish my ex-friend any ill will, I hope things work out for her in her life. I am sure Bethenny feels the same about Jill.

  68. Dani says:

    Smompy I enjoyed reading your comment. It was right on point and I agree with you. Why would anyone want to be friends with someone that said they were done with you? I think Bethenny did what most of us would do. And, that would be to cut that person out of your life.

    • floridagirl88 says:

      It also seems that Jill’s desire to punish Bethenny came at a momentous time in B’s life: move ahead with her vision or submit to J’s will. She chose her own life once she saw that life with J would always mean subjugating her own dreams. J was going nowhere because she was coming from a place of “no.” So b was selfish and self-preserving enough to go with her own dreams which has resulted in success. J is still trying to figure out how B did it. Not even a hair-do or shapewear line seems to bring the same success that B is experiencing. I am willing to bet that J still doesn’t get it. That is part of the fun in watching her spew her hate and try to re-work her image. She just doesn’t get it.

  69. I just finished watching Jill on Wendy Williams. At the end of the interview, Wendy mentioned the cancellation of RHODC. Wendy said that she was glad that it was cancelled and Jill said “so am I”. I thought that was an insensitive thing for her to say. I wonder what Jill has against RHODC.

    • This is a tweet from Cat that is somewhat related to what I just posted above. LOL

      catommanney: What’s all this about Jill Zarin being rude about DC? Has she not heard I’m coming to NYC? Meeeeoow!!

  70. Nancy says:

    I’m not sure which part of Jill Zarin scared me the most today.
    A) Her look on the Wendy Williams show, or
    B) What came out of her mouth on the Wendy Williams show.

    A) She looked like a $20 hooker! (And I’m being nice on the $ amount)
    B) “I always tell the truth” right from Mr Shrill’s mouth.

    Speechless!

  71. lillybee says:

    Re trolls, I go to another board and what we do when trolls appear is start talking about make up and do not respond to them. They usually get bored and leave.

  72. Smompy says:

    “I don’t believe that you have to cut toxic people out in a way that causes them to be more toxic. That is what happened with Jill. If Bethenny had been more diplomatic and not caused Jill to be humiliated publicly…”

    Not to beat a dead horse, Quincy, but I find this almost incomprehensible. If there were a very toxic person in my life and, after being hurt enough, I finally decided to cut person out of my life, it’d be MY fault if that toxic person then became even more toxic??? ‘Cause that’s what you seem to be saying…that Bethenny’s decision to move on and forget about Jill was a bad decision because it directly caused Jill to become more toxic than she already was. And do you really believe that Jill’s public humiliation was Bethenny’s doing and not Jill’s own fault? I mean, Bethenny publicly accepted Jill’s phoney apology and even let the bitch hug her on television, and then she moved on with her life. She doesn’t slam Jill in the press. She doesn’t try to rally fans against Jill. She simply lets the past be in the past. To me that seems quite diplomatic and pretty much the opposite of fanning the flames of Jill’s imaginary feud. Out of curiosity, though, aside from moving on with her life, what exactly do you think Bethenny should have done (or should still be doing) with regards to JZ?

    Also, I hope I’m not coming across as a systematic bully here (thank you, Kelly!) because I do respect your opinion. Again, I’m just sort of shocked & confused by it,

    • quincyil says:

      Absolutely. Jill did it Bethenny and it was horrible. That is why I say that doing it in return to Jill causes Jill great pain. Bethenny does not slam Jill. Jill does make comments about Bethenny. We know that Jill makes negative comments about Bethenny in Chicago from someone who attended the Highland Park fundraiser. I think reporters and the public ask Jill about it and Jill can’t keep a thought in her head. Everything pours out of her mouth.

      If you made a mistake with a friend and apoligized, but the friend would avoid you in the grocery store and not go to events that you were attending, how would you feel. I think I would feel hurt every time.

      I don’t like the behavior of Jill Zarin and I think she is not a nice person. I just think Bethenny could handle it better. It takes energy to keep that wall up between Bethenny and Jill and Bethenny and her mom. She could use that energy for something fun instead.

      I am old. I don’t see things as I would have when I was young. I don’t see Bethenny as wrong or right. I look at the outcome of these battles and think the war is not worth it.

      • quincyil says:

        As the unofficial pretend board soothsayer, I would like to make a prediction. I see Dr. Amadour, the well known psychiatrist, moving in the direction that I am discussing with board members here. Eventually, he is going to tell Bethenny that shunning her mother is causing Bethenny inner angruish.

        I don’t think they will discuss Jill on camera, but I bet that they are discussing Jill and what happened in RHNYC. It’s only logical.

        If Bethenny’s goal is to become mentally healthy and happy, she will have to find a resolution with her mother and with Jill.

        If anyone else has soothsayer skills, is a witch, has a crystal ball, or reads tea leaves, you can join the Bravo union that I have made for the mediums and psychics of Bravo.

        Dr . Amadour is welcome to joing as I think he is doing a great job receiving thoughts from Bethenny and interpreting them.

        • Kansas Girl says:

          Quincy, I see your point(s) and agree. The therapy is leading her to see her mother in herself, which then allows her to understand her mother’s motivations as well as her own. Once she understands and accepts why her mother behaves the way she does, she can accept her mother for what she is. Peace will come with that, as the fight will be over. Both people can coexist and find a relationship.

          I agree, too, that Dr. Amadour is likely discussing the JZ relationship. There are parallels and the acceptance is basically the same process. I believe, like you, that we will not see that process on screen and perhaps will never see it. It’s enough to believe that it will happen. And it will bring more peace to Bethenny. I suspect that JZ may never totally find peace in the relationship and will have to declare herself the winner. But once Bethenny reaches an accord within herself, it won’t matter what JZ says.

          I’m no soothsayer. I’m a watcher. Is that allowed in the union?

          Oh, and please Dr. Amadour, when you join the board put your face in your avatar. It’s such a nice face. 🙂

        • Anne says:

          FYI Amador is not a Psychiatrist. He is only a psychologist. He would have needed to go to medical school and do a psychiatric residency in order to be psychiatrist. He cannot prescribe and is not a medical doctor which a psychiatrist would be.

      • LynnNChicago says:

        Quincy, Bethenny doesn’t seem to spend a whole lot of energy or time, or anything on Jill Zarin. She is putting her baby first and with that has decided to cut the toxicity out of her life. She doesn’t want the likes of Zarin around her innocent baby and I don’t blame her. I think Bethenny handled it with style and grace, she doesn’t gossip, or talk badly about Jill, she is doing the only thing she can do when it comes to Jill. Ignore! Unfortuntately Jill doesn’t go away quietly. To her credit even while Jill goes on and on about Bethenny, B has remained quiet.

        As far as her mother goes, you can’t compare that situation to the Jill situation, unless we dealt with a mom like hers we can’t know how we would handle it. Personally, I wish her mom would go away and just leave B alone. I get that B talked first about her mother but it was her life story to tell and she chose to tell it.

        • quincyil says:

          We aren’t seeing the toll that Jill’s shunning is taking on Bethenny because she is not showing it just as we know Johnny Weir was a judge on SWTS and we know about the fight between Johnny and Bethenny, but it was not on BEA. I know it it’s taking a toll on Bethenny.

          On WWHL, Andy starts a sentence with Jill and Bethenny’s reaction is to take the beads and pretend to hang herself. That war is killing Bethenny too.

          Bethenny had Julie read the article about her mother on TV and she commented. In the past, we saw Bethenny and Julie reading articles that Jill had planted and it upset Bethenny. Bethenny is reading articles about Jill today and she is bothered when Jill discusses her.

          It is telling that the first nice vacation that the Hoppy’s took was right before the premier of RHNYC where Bethenny probably knew that Jil discussed her.

          I believe that Bethenny reads this blog and other blogs. She knows what Jill is up to just as Jill knows what Bethenny is up to.

          Bethenny has remained quiet in the press and in her talks with the public, but is that silence not deafening, Lynn?

          I see that Bethenny’s mom had problems in her own life. She was a product of an abusive family herself. I’m sure she could discuss the life choices that Bethenny has made in public just as Bethenny made her mom’s life public in RHNYC and her own show.

          I see her mothers’ call to her home on the day she went into labor as a call for reconcilliation. She was rejected because of Bethenny being in labor, but Bethenny never returned the call. So, being a flawed Human being, Bethenny’s mom shared with the press. Bethenny was furiois and her mothere is now dead to her.

          Making people who have been important in your life disappear is very difficult to do. Just ask the women on this board who have had past relationships with family members or spouses that have failed. Keeping up your anger is a full time job.

          Psychiatrists and therapists help people deal with their family members and people in their lives every day. We know how Bethenny feels because we have been in the room during her therapy. She see her think and come to conclusions that she shares with us.

          I think the doctor will lead her to understand that she has to tear down walls in order to survive. We won’t hear about the wall with Jill, but we will eventurally see that Bethenny will repair her relationship with her mom because it is eating her alive. The doctor will teach her coping skills that allow Bethenny to remove herself from the emotions of dealing with her mother.

          If Bethenny’s mom were on her death bed, Bethenny would be flying to Florida to be with her.

          The relationship with Jill is a problem for Bethenny and the doctor will help her with that off camera. I actually see a lot of similarities between Bethenny and her mom and Bethenny with Jill. Jill can be mothering and smothering. I think Bethenny’s mom did that too. Bethenny has said that her mom wants some of Bethenny’s success/money. Bethenny said that Jill wanted to be a part of Bethenny’s success/money too. That is why Bethenny told Jill to get a hobby.

          Bethenny said that the relationship with Jill was unlike any one she had before. Jill brought the idea of family into the show and “forced” it on Bethenny.

          “What it is about is never what it is about.” Bethenny is a runaway bride, daughter and friend. She has to stop running from family and friends to become a happier person. The doctor is on that path and he has Bethenny stepping on to that path with him.

          • PJ says:

            Cutting a toxic person out of your life does not mean you are angry or keeping your anger. It just means you recognize that it’s time to let go and rather than hurting you it’s very freeing. It’s emotionally healthy.

            I don’t know exactly what you want Bethenny to do about Jill but this is a “friendship” that needed to end. If Bethenny was harboring anger she would be talking about Jill every chance she gets, like Jill is doing. Bethenny is getting over it.

            As for Bethenny talking about her Mother, Bethenny was a child and her Mother failed to protect her, it’s a basic responsibility of a parent. Bethenny has a right to speak her truth. I’m sure her Mother is hurt but blood isn’t always enough to make a bond.

            There are people that you just can’t have in your life. People that just want to take from you. Sometimes the course of wisdom is to cut these people out of your life. Keeping people like that around is a roadblock to happiness.

            The difference between Bethenny and Jill or Bethenny and her Mother is that Bethenny is aware that she needs to change and she needs help in doing so. Bethenny has some issues and of course she is like her Mother in some respects but her willingness to face herself is very healthy.

            • WindyCityWondering says:

              Well said – totally agree. We are responsible for our own lives and to protect those we love from those who would harm them.

            • viki55 says:

              Very well said!! Thanks for saying that so well!!

            • @tweatcyn says:

              BINGO! PJ
              People have a really hard time accepting that a mother and child have not bonded and have no adult relationship. Why should a child continue a harmful relationship with a bad mother just because of a blood tie. They blame the child. It’s a real stigma and it’s not fair to the adult child to be judged so harshly. They’ve been hurt enough and deserve some understanding.

            • floridagirl88 says:

              Well said. If Bethenny changes though insight and therapy, what happens if her mother and Jill remain the same? It appears B has broken the chain to gain both space and clarity about her own life. If her mother and Jill don’t change (and for the better) why should they be allowed to try and ruin things for B? Haven’t we all known people who wanted to be around us just to tear us down in some way? I say keep these women away from you until you are strong enough to fully understand them and have a way to protect yourself against them.

          • klmh says:

            Way down the line here, and posting late, but I agree with you Q. Her anger toward her mother affects her to this day. So many years have come and gone since their last meeting, but her anger remains and has probably heightened. Im glad she has a wonderful psychologist to help her thru this process of letting these feelings go, and hopefully tackle them instead of hiding behind the “I don’t care and Im going to remain silent” mode. Better to get it out than in…

      • FlowerPower says:

        It seems the only one expending energy on that relationship is Jill. She’s the one who needs to let it go.

        I really don’t believe it takes any effort at all for Bethenny NOT to have JZ in her life. It took energy to be in a relationship with her, a relationship that, if we are to believe Jill (Ha!), was just for TV and not a real friendship at all. Cutting someone so toxic out her life, IMO, freed up the energy Bethenny needed to move on with her family and business.

        JZ was never a part of Bethenny’s life with Jason and Bryn. We see from BEA that her life is full of supportive, loving people who are willing to stick with her despite her flaws. Jill was never that kind of friend.

        I agree with Lynn that her relationship with her mother is an entirely different matter. One that Bethenny seems very aware of and willing to deal with–again with the help of a therapist and the support of the real friends she has in her life.

        • quincyil says:

          Then, we all agree to disagree. I see this Bethenny’s behavior towards people that she gets close to as a pattern that is consistent with Jill and her mother.

          I see Bethenny attacking Luann and calling her a snake and calling Jill toxic as a pattern consistent with her past relationships and her parents. The doctor is addressing the issues with her parents in therapy on tv, but I am sure he is discussing Johnny Weir and Jill there too as these relationships affect Bethenny and cause her stress. She is not sharing that on screen with us.

          I can see the direction Dr. Amadour is going. He helps her make connections with the past and they asks her if these are behaviors that she wants to keep in her life.

          In the beginning of this discussion, I said that Bryn will pick up on the anger issues just as everyone at that Thanksgiving dinner was walking on pins and needles in fear of Bethenny. She probably already senses it. Smiling at the baby won’t prevent the baby from picking up the vibes of daddy and Julie when mommy is mad. Even Cookie senses it.

          The other housewives told us about Bethenny. I just listened and watched. I think Bethenny can make it as she is sincerely trying and she had support in Jason, him mom, and Julie.

          • error404 says:

            “Then, we all agree to disagree”

            Umm… I think we agreed to this like 2,687 words ago. Sorry Q, but the amount of times you’ve repeated the same point on this one blog is astounding to me. Are we getting paid by the word now or something? LOL

          • PJ says:

            Luann is a snake and Jill is toxic.

            You aren’t taking onto consideration the relationships that Bethenny has with real friends. She keeps real friends around, and she has plenty of them.

      • PJ says:

        I couldn’t disagree more. It took energy to try and keep up a relationship with Jill. Bethenny let go, that was like having a tumor removed it may hurt a for a while but eventually you feel much better. I think Bethenny has truly moved on.

        How could Bethenny have handled this better? Bethenny tried to repair the relationship and Jill didn’t want it, so Bethenny did what Jill kept telling her to do. I don’t think any of Jill’s attempts to repair the relationship were ever sincere, if they had been Bethenny may have been willing to try.

        • floridagirl88 says:

          And Jill didn’t want it because she thought she had the upper hand. Imagine the shock when Bethenny stopped drinking the Jill kool-aid? Now Bethenny’s successful without Jill and Jill has to speak ill of Bethenny to remain relevant on “her” show. It is both sad and funny to watch.

      • Kotagirl29 says:

        Okay when did Bethenny stop attending events to avoid Jill? Bethenny had/has a lot going on. She even said she took on too much. I doubt she is doing that to avoid Jill. I imagine she is choosing to attend events that highlight her or her show and avoids ones where she would be associated with the Housewives. Because Bethenny doesn’t talk about Jill all we know for sure is that they have not seen or spoken to each other since the reunion. Jill has said that she tried to contact Bethenny and got no response. Maybe that is true and maybe that isn’t. But how can you continually try and blame Bethenny because Jill is a jealous and immature twit? If Bethenny is knowingly avoiding Jill then she is doing the right thing. Jill’s continued toxicity is not Bethenny’s fault. Jill assumed that Bethenny would wither and die without her and instead Bethenny has blossomed. And Jill can’t stand it. Any humiliation that Jill has suffered, public or otherwise, because of this is of her own making. Jill’s inability to keep her mouth shut when talking to the press is her own problem, certainly nothing Bethenny did or didn’t do would cause that. I also don’t think it appropriate to compare Bethenny’s relationship (or lack of one) with her Mother to the one she had with Jill. There are many, many more years of hurt there that we know nothing about.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Sometimes toxic people come into your life and you can run away before they latch on to you. Other times, they marry into your family, or become a work colleague, or are part of your own family, and it’s much harder to distance yourself.

      Cutting someone out of your life only works if they are also willing to be cut. Both Jill and B’s mom aren’t willing to be cut out of B’s life (they may not want to hang out with her – but talking about her means they are still in her life).

      Yes – if was fine for B to cut them out of her life – and whether or not she feels bad about it remains to be seen. I wouldn’t if they were truly gone.

      However they refuse to leave her life gracefully – so maybe extending a false olive branch and placating them at this point might be better to really get them out of her life. That said – having Jill constantly bring up B on every talk show does give B free publicity – so maybe she doesn’t care.

      My father is very toxic and I humor him (and pretty much just don’t listen) and we get along. My sister takes him on and they fight constantly, and she is emotionally drained. We all have our protective mechanisms.

    • PJ says:

      Smompy I agree with you. I am confused by Quincy as well. It seems like a lot of double speak to me; and usually I am in agreement with what Quincy says. Bethenny is not responsible for Jill’s public humiliation; Jill is the master of her own downfall. It’s like blaming the victim because they upset their victimizer when they refused to be victimized anymore. We have to remember that we weren’t privy to everything that went down behind the scenes between Jill and B, but what we did see was bad enough.

  73. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Good morning everyone~:)

    • HD says:

      Morning Baabee. You survived the storm, huh? 🙂

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        Hi Hannah sweetie~:)
        What storm? What did I miss & what happened to you? Are you ok. Did you see yesterday someone that dissed you also tried to diss me..

        • boston02127 says:

          Morning peeps 🙂

        • HD says:

          There was a bad storm here, I thought it was throughout the state. Everything is good. Indiana got hit pretty bad.

          I missed the diss!! Where is it? I love that I am that important. 🙂 Please tell me where it is it will add a little sunshine to my day.

          • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

            We had some rain & strong winds but nothing too bad. I am glad you are ok. It was just a small diss on yesterdays blog right at the bottom I think. I don’t know if person was kidding or what.

          • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

            Did you find it? lol

            • HD says:

              I looked but I couldn’t find it. There are so many posts. Whoever it was and whatever was said, I really do take pleasure in the fact that I have been allowed to live rent free in thier head. This is a blog if they don’t like something I say, get over it. We are here to discuss

              • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

                It wasn’t you Hannah~it was me. They didn’t like what I did.

                • OneMoreInBoston says:

                  BaaBee- Are you talking about me?

                  I wasn’t jabbing you, and HD was never, ever mentioned.

                  If anything I thought you were jabbing me.

                  I couldn’t understand why you would go onto a post that 4-5 people are talking and you would single out just one of them to greet.

                  It made me feel terrible, and I wanted to know why you would do that.

              • DJ Loops Fruit says:

                wasnt me i swear it wasnt me LOL

                • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

                  LOL~just a joke probably that I didn’t get DJ sweetie.

                  • DJ Loops Fruit says:

                    just kidding Baabee
                    i didnt see anyone diss either one of you yesterday but there are so many post that its easy to overlook one sometimes

                • HD says:

                  DJ-I actually like you because you and I never agree on anything but we state our points and leave it at that. At the end of the day we can still go out for a Happy Meal. What I don’t like is people who throw a rock and hide their hand all in the name of the blog. No, you’re stirring up shit. Now that I don’t like.

                  • DJ Loops Fruit says:

                    oh i like you too HD for the same reasons i was just making a joke out of it to be honest i didnt see anyone diss either you of Baa Bee
                    but there was a troll here yesterday calling us all losers for hating Jill

          • IndianaHousewife says:

            Good morning everyone. Indiana reporting in. I am a little north of Lafayette, about the northern center of the state roughly an hour from the Illinois state line and we did not have it too bad. Just some wind, lighting, rain the usual. I think the southern part of the state got hit the hardest.

            • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

              Glad you are alright Indi~

              • IndianaHousewife says:

                Thank you. I may not express this right but yesterday when Kiki was commenting on the people who post here it made me think. I have become more aware of what is going on in our country due to having an idea what area several of the posters here are from. You look for them the next day if there was bad weather ect. As a whole I feel that society is not using common courtesies that used to be normal. I appreciate coming here and hearing some good old fashioned common sense. That’s it my two cents for the day. Hope you all have a good day!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Guessing Taylor wants to be a true living skeletor! She doesn’t look healthy but then (still guessing) she can rock an outfit and feed on the envy of the other women in the room!

  74. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    this is so off topic

    just wanted to shar one of the many mixshows i make for people and also for my radioshow
    if anyone is even slightly interested its entirely club/dance music

    just under 80 mins of non stop dance music
    enjoy
    http://www.sendspace.com/file/fzsj7o

    ps i have done these for Andy a few times
    and I think Lynn heard one and complimented me on it 🙂

  75. boston02127 says:

    Have a good day everyone.

  76. viki55 says:

    Good Morning Ya’ll:) I sure have a lot of reading to do to catch up!

    • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

      I thought that was a kitty~too cute viki.
      Good morning..

    • error404 says:

      I save you the time. Here’s the breakdown.

      1. tons of people comment on Johnny not being included on the show, and speculate as to why.
      2. Quincy thinks B keeps unhealthy grudges and pretty much no one agrees with her.
      3. Someone sets feminism back 100 years by worrying aloud that Jason will feel emasculated if B makes more money than him.

      repeats step 1 and 2 continuously and you pretty much have the whole blog.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Review: A+

      • viki55 says:

        LOL You are so right!! I quickly read everything since I left work yesterday and you are absolutely spot on in your summary. I totally disagree with Quincy’s take on Bethenny and toxic people. Talk about beating a dead horse!

      • Kellita says:

        Thank you! Lol. And now I don’t have to go back and read everything.

      • Brigid A. says:

        Gosh, it’s fairly astounding to ponder that “someone” expressing an opinion on this blog could manage to “set feminism back 100 years.” Something very profound indeed must be occurring here. Reality check please!!!

        Now back to the mundane, specifically a reality TV show under discussion, I did speculate about Jason’s availability to follow Bethenny around the country. Jason had his own job when he and Bethenny were engaged and married. Could this new arrangement cause problems down the line? Yes, I think it’s possible. If a woman gave up her job and financial independence to follow a new husband and “reality TV star” around, I’d wonder the same thing.

        I hope this is sufficient clarification for the feminist police here.

  77. error404 says:

    Q: when B was being greeted by fans on Rhodeo Drive, it sounded like someone called her Dina. Did I hear this right? LOL

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      LOL – I thought it was someone calling to a friend to be in the picture with Bethenny! Loved how both Bethenny and Jason interacted with the fans.

  78. Kellita says:

    LOVE Bethenny! I thoroughly enjoy her show. What a breath of fresh air compared to the HWs shows. I love how Bethenny works on her stuff, recognizes when she blows it, and keeps growing. I am so happy for her and all the love she has in her life. Even my husband watches BEA with me and likes it.

    Have a good day, everyone!

  79. katiecoo says:

    Hit Dan Back weighs in on JZ’s plastic surgery…lol.

    http://hitdanback.com/i-got-botox-too-jill-zarin/

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