IHJZ Pregnant in Heels May 10, 2011


Pregnant in Heels by Quincy IL

As usual, Rosie Pose and her staff are dressing a pregnant mannequin in her maternity store.  Rosie has Lt put on a maternity dress because she wants to see how the dress moves and he parades around making her laugh. 

In the limousine, Rosie gets her first call from Hanna, her assistant.  Cindi Avila, a news personality/anchor on Staten Island needs help.  This is Cindi’s first child after 11 years of marriage to Michael, a news producer.  There are 7 weeks left, but Cindi is freaking out over the IV that she will have to have during the delivery.

Rosie goes to Cindi’s home and finds Holly, Cindy’s mother is there.  Rosie immediately asks if she can spot check the apartment.  They go to the bedroom that will become the nursery to find cables everywhere and a huge 4 poster bed in the middle of the room. There are unopened boxes everywhere.

Cindi has taken no classes for baby care.  Rosie administers the Mommy IQ test and Cindy fails miserably.  She is unable to swaddle a doll and she does not know that you clean a baby’s bottom from front to back.

Ciindi is terrified of doctors, hospitals and needles. She said this is why she never got pregnant.  Her mother thought that Cindy would adopt. Cindi does not want to breastfeed because it doesn’t feel natural to her. She thinks it is painful and she is squeamish.  Rosie feels Cindi needs baby basics.

In the limousine, Rosie receives a second phone call from Hanna telling her that she should go to the Central Park Zoo to meet a new client Nicol Greevy. Nicol is a zookeeper who loves animals especially her own horse, Cosmo.   Nicol has been married 5 years.  Her baby  boy is due in six weeks.  It’s not unusual for Rosie to meet clients at their place of work, but the zoo is an unusual place to work.

Nicol is concerned that she won’t connect to her baby.  She is fearful that she won’t be able to do a good job because she lost her own mother to cancer when she was 10 years old.  She has no one to talk to about hew swollen ankles or problems with the pregnancy.  Nicol is extremely anxious and this concerns Rosie.

Nicol would like an oil painting of her on a horse.  She requests that she be au natural/naked.  Rosie has a lot of work to accomplish.

Rosie meets Cindi for a mother’s class on breast feeding. The room is filled with mothers and babies and these mothers show Cindi how the baby will latch on. They also show her how to use a breast pump. Cindi feels this is very private and she would not feed or show her breast in public. One mother tasted the breast milk and it tastes like Hsagen dazs.  The editors use a filter on the camera while filming, but you can see a more than the mothers  may have wanted on television.

Rosie goes back to the zoo to share with Nicol about mothering. Nicol feeds then pets a goat.  Rosie says that Nicol will bond with her baby. Rosie is worried about Nicol’s anxiety as it is dangerous for the mother and baby. Nicole is worried that she might not be there for her son.  She has tears when she speaks about this and is sincerely upset.    


Back at Prep School, Cindi is learning about child birth with a doula (trained/unlicensed child birth aid). They try aroma therapy with the scent of tangerines and make the sound of a Tibetan monk in prayer, but Cindi is not impressed.  The doula will help Cindi during the delivery. She shows how the baby passes through the pelvis. Rosie explains that many hospitals will cut you. (This is called an episiotomy/cut on posterior was of vagina.)  The baby will be put on her abdomen and given a vitamin K shot to help the baby’s blood to clot.  They demonstrate how the IV will look on her arm. Cindi  is concerned that she might have to have an C-section and she doesn’t think she can go through with this.  Rosie explains that she has no option. The baby will be born.  Cindy thinks she could die.

Cindi’s female OB is there to draw blood.  Rosie and the doula help Cindi breath and get through the ordeal.

Nicol calls Rosie to the hospital as she has been admitted and will have to deliver immediately. She has preeclampsia.  Her blood pressure is extremely high. (I think that Nicol knew about this possibility. They monitor your blood pressure and look for protein in you urine. This is why she was so anxious about dying. Even after the delivery, there is a concern about brain swelling in the mother so the doctors will treat her for this.)   Rosie is the first to arrive and she sits next to Nicol and tells her that everything is going to be fine. A baby can do well even if it is 5 weeks early. (Rosie probably understands how serious this is, but she is trying to calm Nicol.  The physicians induce early because this is life threatening to baby and mother.)                                                 

Nicol delivers Griffin, her son.  Rosie goes to see them in the hospital.  He is very small, but is doing well. 

Nicol meets with Rosie and Cosmo, her Appaloosa gelding, at a Pennsylvania Stable.  An artist meets with Rosie, LT and Nicol to sketch the painting.  Nicol will hold the baby on the ground and later get on the horse alone, but the artist will paint her as if she is holding the baby on the horse.  LT hold the horse while she gets on.  She wears shorts, but takes her top off. 

Cindi goes to the hospital and delivers her daughter.  Alexia is a good baby.  Cindy did not call the doula as she felt this was a private moment.  Rosie is happily surprised to discover that Cindi is breast feeding.   Cindi and her husband are good parents.

At the gallery, Nicol is anxious about the reveal of her painting.  LT takes the cloth off and there is dead silence.  Nicol’s husband says, “I didn’t see this coming.” Everyone laughs.  He says, “I love it. “  He tells us that Nicol is self-critical and she is finally embracing who she is.  The guests look shocked.  They keep the painting in their bedroom.

Andy Cohen was going to show a tape from Saturday Night Live that explained Rosie Pope’s accent, but the tape froze and he went to another subject quickly.


Here is an explanation from this blog:

“In the Pregnant in Heels sketch, Abby Elliott played Rosie’s maternity concierge to Tina Fey’s pregnant and demanding character.

Abby Elliott, as Rosie Pope, explained her accent: “Well, I was born in England and then moved to America. And every morning, a thousand bees sting my tongue.”

Pope is taking it in stride – after all, haven’t you made it when Saturday Night Live makes fun of you?

A fan on Twitter asked Pope, “Do u have speech impediment or just “crazy” accent” and she answered, “Not aware of impediment but now u have me wandering- think just accent;)”

We noticed that Bravo would “translate” some of Cat Ommanney’s sentences and share them with us on the bottom of the screen.  I think that Rosie Pope has another London dialect that we are not familiar with so we have difficulty understanding her. 

In the movie “My Fair Lady,” we hear some dialects and the efforts that a linguistics professor makes to help a flower girl, Eliza, become gentrified. We are familiar with the King’s English on news programs and in movies. 


This is my opinion, I feel this show is valuable and provides information that the public needs in an interesting way.  The mothers have the same issues that we have on the prairie, but their stress is heightened because of  New York City lifestyles.  The women have stressful jobs and husbands that feel they have to please. After each episode, the babies were healthy and were loved by their parents.  Lynn believes that this will probably be the only season as the ratings are low (around 500,000 per episode.)


Nice work Quincy, great blog.  Unfortunately the low ratings will most likely be the demise of Rosie Pope on Bravo but she seems like a natural on screen, maybe she’ll go on to something else on TV. 

Thanks again Quincy  Lynn~

Until Next Time….

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346 Responses to IHJZ Pregnant in Heels May 10, 2011

  1. quincyil says:

    Every day, there is housekeeping to do with a blog. I noticed something different today. There were two posts from overseas that spoke to us. One on Lynn’s RHNYC blog, says that Americans have no humility and it makes this commenter cringe. At first, I thought this was spam because of the way it appeared, but someone was addressing us from Britain.

    Later, I found something of interest on Lynn’s Cat Ommanney blog. I brought it here because we tend to move forward quickly. Someone has taken it upon themselves to tell us their version of the truth, but also stopped long enough to insult all Americans.

    Karma chases Cathy
    Submitted on 2011/05/11 at 6:13 am
    Cathy (“Cat”) says she hates fake people….. Holly shit that makes me laugh !!
    Cathy is as fake as it comes. This is a ex “hostess” with a severe dug issue and a nasty habit of stealing from friends .

    Cathy Made the whole “Harry” story up. Amazing that not a single pic exists of them leaving the club that night as she claims .

    Cathy is full of crap and it seems so many have fallen for it.
    What this needs is a good Journalist “digging deep” and exposing her for what she truly is”

    So Cat, when you read this, I realized that this person looked for information on you, but felt the need to insult us along the way. Welcome to blogging, Cat. We have developed a thick skin and we don’t feel the slights anymore.

    “Water off a duck’s back,” to quote Sonja Morgan.

    Not having a photo of a kiss means nothing. It would be illogical of Catherine Ommanney to make this claim in her book if it did not happen. The Royal Family’s PR people would have denied it.


    • housewifeaddict says:

      I’ve seen a lot of comments on articles about Cat that are less than complimentary, and similar to these:


      She seems to have some enemies that claim to know her.

      The same thing always seems to happy on the blogs about the NJ girls – people want to tell us what is going on behind the scenes.

      • quincyil says:

        Former friends, no doubt.

        The commenter took the time to read several blogs and felt important enough to judge all Americans.

        This makes me like Catherine Ommanney more. LOL>

      • housewifeaddict says:

        I can’t believe how many typos I make in the morning before my coffee. Happen. Urgh.

        • quincyil says:

          I am so grateful to this person. It gave me something profound to tweet. I hope someone stops by every day. LOL


          • Kukulet says:

            Funnily enough, I don’t doubt Cat’s story about her encounter with Harry. I think the original story had some exaggeration re: her observations about Harry’s personality-after all, how many of us can offer profound insight into a person’s character when we’ve only met them briefly? But I don’t think she was lying about the encounter itself.

            As to the “no pictures of Cat and Harry leaving the bar together” – well, Prince Harry isn’t stupid, and he’s not exactly an amateur when it comes to dealing with the gaggle of photogs that follow him around. He knows the tricks to avoid a picture that he doesn’t want taken-leaving through a separate exit than his “squeeze”, for one thing.

            • ihearttalavera says:

              I hate to disagree with people here because I love you all so much, but I cannot stand Cat. I’m not at all surprised that people are trying to “out” her. Why in the world would the Royal Family waste any time commenting on anything this woman claims? They have any idea she even exists. Including Harry. Sorry…

              If I remember correctly on WWHL, Bethenny also agreed that Luann came off better during the Royal edition of WWHL.

              • ihearttalavera says:

                don’t have any idea… sorry

              • nathania says:

                I seriously think they are not going to start digging into *anything* having to do with Prince Harry’s exploits, period. They have nothing to gain and quite a bit to lose, he has made some serious errors in judgement and there is no way they are going to make themselves vulnerable to retaliation by stirring any pot that might be out there. I’m sure they are more than willing to let sleeping dogs lie when it comes to Prince Harry and just hope he grows up soon.

                • ihearttalavera says:

                  Yes, the more the focus is on William and Kate, the better. Speaking of, I am looking forward to seeing Sarah Ferguson on Oprah tonight. She was apparently quite upset about not getting a wedding invite. Shocking after what she pulled on her ex.

    • Nancy says:

      I wonder if LuMan had anything to do with these?

      • quincyil says:

        Nancy, I think they came from Britain.

        • Nancy says:

          You don’t think LuMan has “friends” in England?
          I wouldn’t be surprised if Jill talked her into planting bad things about Cat because of what happened on WWHL.

          • nathania says:

            there have been similar rumors swirling about Cat since she appeared on DC. It’s possible that at one time she might have been addicted and a bit of a grifter, during the series people were saying she was the Michaele Salahi of Britain…I think it’s better to assume ALL of these women are somewhat to pathologically narcissistic and have plenty of skeletons in their closets, and let them prove otherwise, rather than assuming they are ‘normal’. Very few ‘normal’ people would agree to be on these shows.

  2. NYCer says:

    RHOBH news from USWeekly

    Taylor Armstrong has finally left her icy husband, Russell.

    A source tells the new issue of Us Weekly (on stands now) that The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star has secretly separated from her banker husband of seven years.

    “They’ve had huge marital problems related to finances,” the insider says of the pair, who were seen together with daughter Kennedy, 5, at a May 7 Lollipop Theater Network event in Burbank, Calif.

    The couple’s marital problems are nothing new: Bravo viewers watched them bicker constantly during the show’s first season, and Taylor even likened their marriage to a business arrangement.

    Still, the recent split is taking a physical toll on Taylor. “She’s emaciated — down 10, 15 pounds,” a source tells Us.

    The Real Housewives drama doesn’t end there. New cast member Brandi Glanville, 38 — Eddie Cibrian’s ex — and Kyle Richards, 42, have been “going at it” since filming began on season 2. “They got into a fight and Brandi lunged at Kyle,” a source says. “They had to be separated by producers.”

    • Kellita says:

      Sounds like it’ll be an interesting 2nd season!

    • quincyil says:

      I bothers me that so many marriages fail on the housewife shows. I think the women want to be on TV and their husbands don’t want the scrutiny.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Have Camille and Kim R. signed on yet?

      • quincyil says:

        I don’t know, but they have been filming for ages.

      • NYCer says:

        Yes! All of the original cast signed on for Season 2, and Brandi Granville was added. It was reported in March when filming started. Supposedly Brandi is friends with Cedric (Lisa’s former houseguest).

        • Nancy says:

          Bravo is making me want to vomit. Why would they hirer her? I’m sure Lisa and Kent were thrilled.

    • Mookies1mom says:

      I saw this and was going to post a link but you beat me to it. 😉 Seems like with some of the housewives once the money goes so does the wife. They didn’t seem to be in a good place to begin with last year.

      • HD says:

        I knew that was just a matter of time. She never did seemed happy nor did he. I am never sure why people stay together when they are not happy. (of course I know the common reasons but you get what I am saying.) You don’t get to do life over. I will be damned if I sit around unhappy.

        • Mookies1mom says:

          From what I remember they seemed to want different things and neither was willing to budge. Plus, the whole puppy fiasco. You don’t undermine the other parent no matter what. That’s just my opinion but I don’t have children either so what do I know.

      • Katiecoo says:

        Me too–just saw that on Hit Dan Back. That was another marriage, a la Vicki Gunvalson , that was just excrutiating to watch. He always came across as someone who’s got some sort of freaky double life–as gay or extreme porn or something else hidden. Anyone else get that vibe from him? Those “business trips” seemed suspicious to me.

    • error404 says:

      “They got into a fight and Brandi lunged at Kyle,” a source says. “They had to be separated by producers.”

      so..in other words, Bravo has ruined yet another good HW show.

      s1, Kyle’s slow transformation form fan-favorite everybody loved to evil bitch everybody loved to hate was good tv. s2, watching straight-up bitch turn every single conversation into a shouting match? Not so fun. And Brandi was a horrible choice.

      I’m going to be bold and predict a Sonja Morgan style nose dive in popularity for Lisa VdP. s1 she did a wonderful job of using humor to mask the fact that she’s not the nicest person. How long can that last.

    • Kukulet says:

      “They’ve had huge marital problems related to finances,” the insider says of the pair…

      Like…she spent more than he made?

      Still, the recent split is taking a physical toll on Taylor. “She’s emaciated — down 10, 15 pounds,” a source tells Us.

      How could they tell? She was emaciated BEFORE the split. The only thing on Taylor at a reasonable weight are her ridiculous lips.

      I’ve no sympathy for this chick. She’s a vile little pot stirrer who doesn’t own her behavior.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      If there’s violence, I think that HW should be fired. There’s no excuse for hitting, lunging, pulling hair, etc. And it’s a bad example.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        ITA – and I would add if a housewife has a substance abuse or emotional/mental issue, they shouldn’t be on the shows either. Fighting is part of the houswife culture, but I prefer a more fairly matched one.

    • kbinldo says:

      What a shock. Not.

  3. Kokuanani says:

    In the limousine, Cindi receives a second phone call from Hanna telling

    I think this should be “Rosie,” not “Cindi.”

    • quincyil says:

      Thank you. I updated that.

      I swear I was not drunk blogging, just tired last night.


      • quincyil says:

        I also wrote that “we see dialects”. rotfl… I changed that to “hear dialects” . We rarely, if ever, see a dialect.

  4. Mookies1mom says:


    TMZ camera’s caught up with Bethenny. Jason is in the background. They are reporting that she is now worth $200 million bucks.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      What the report got right is that Bethenny is a smart, saavy business woman. IMO, she isn’t a reality show fame whore. She used the reality show format to market her ideas and used the connections she made to parlay that into an empire. She went door to door in a male dominated industry and never gave up – since when is hard work, believing in your product and not letting rejections get in your way a bad thing? Being on a reality show didn’t hurt, but I think Bethenny would have made it eventually because she believes in herself and has an ability to connect with and listen to people!

      • Mookies1mom says:

        I didn’t agree with the fame whoring comment either. But that’s what you get from TMZ sometimes. I didn’t recognize the woman with Bethenny but I thought Jason looked a little on the thin side. Could have been the camera angle though. Semi-long story short I agree with you completely WindyCityWondering.

    • lovemamaearth says:

      I wonder if this comment is true from that link–I don’t think I could watch much of it:
      =The reality TV shows in China are much more interesting, They are about Chinese men and women working in factories working 36 hour days making 40 cents a day. I hear in the final season they take over the world and everyone in the US ends up working at Walmart.=

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Jason did not look happy about being B being approached like this. As much as I enjoy watching BEA, I really hope she raises her child(ren) in anonymity and that they get out of the spotlight before it ruins the happy life her and Jason have together. It just doesn’t seem worth the risk to me, especially now that she doesn’t need the money.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        she and Jason have together… oh boy, i should proof read more often.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          Ahhh!!!! proofread… back AWAY from the keyboard.

          • MichellefromNY says:

            lol! It’s ok, we all make mistakes. And honestly, it’s not like you’re going to be graded on your comment in class…Let’s all relax and embrace our typos!

    • NJBev says:

      @MookiesMom- that was a great clip.
      Thanks for sharing. I thought the entire clip
      made Bethenny look great-she handled it well!!

  5. WindyCityWondering says:

    Thanks Quincy – PIH is still difficult for me to watch because the women seem so vapid. With 6-8 weeks to go, books have been read, family and friends have weighed in, classes have been attended and supplies/nurseries have been laid in. Their OB/GYNs give lots of info and answer lots of questions – so are we to believe these mothers to be are really that clueless?

    • quincyil says:

      I think it’s a formula that Bravo has created. The women have geniune concerns and the way the producers edit with Rosie’s comments makes them look worse than they are. I think the women are asked questions and they respond to those questions in the interviews just like the housewives do in the real housewives series.

      I had concerns about labor and delivery too. Every women on this board who had a baby will have a story to share.

      I think Bravo allows them to share in the blogs in order to clear up any misconceptions that Bravo creates.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        It would be refreshing to see just ONE woman who was excited and prepared for motherhood! This could be a marvelous teaching tool that the viewers could relate to more readily, while it entertains with the far out stories. This format seems to box PIH into a one season show.

      • HD says:

        Amen, WCW! I cannot watch this show!

        The parents all get on my nerves. When I catch minutes of this show I think it is ridiculous. I love reality TV but this one will go by the wayside. It boggles my mind how some of these parents can be sooo clueless. “Oh I need a crib? Really? Oh diapers? Are those the things they wear because they cannot walk to the bathroom? Oh I don’t worry about that my assistant will clean that up. Oh you mean I actually have to push this baby out of my vagina?” Blah blah blah…

      • Kukulet says:

        Well, and the thing is, there is no cut and dried guidebook for new motherhood. Practical solutions, like babyproofing the house, yes-but the rest of it, we all had to learn “on the job”.

        And there’s no way to assure the mother’s reaction to her newborn. Rosie can reassure, but she can’t guarantee. And the fact remains, you can tell an expectant mother that she will fall in love with her child, but it’s an experience that the mother has to go through before she can understand what you mean. (And not all mothers do, sadly.)

        • quincyil says:

          I thought that Mina was the youngest. Most of the mom have had long time careers and made the choice to get pregnant. It does seem odd that they were not ready.

          You can be a good mom without a nursery. I had a one bedroom apartment when I have my first so there was no nursery. She did well.

          • Cusi77 says:

            Me too, Quincy.

            I have never watched the program, perhaps is for younger women… But reading the comments here I recall when my son and daughter in law were expecting my oldest granddaughter and I was coming to Mx. City with lots of presents I asked my son about how they’ve decided to give the baby’s bath… (they had dogs) and he was in panic and asked me “Does the baby need a bath since birth? !!!!!!!!;)

  6. chismosa says:

    Agreed ^^ WCW. How most of these women get to 36/40 weeks and are surprised at things BOGGLES ME.

    Quincy- where were there posts saying something criticizing Americans? i never read that? Did you take that out?

  7. Lavalady says:

    I think that Rosie Pope does have a speech impedimet. I also think Barbara Walters and Jill have one too, although slight. Both Barbara and Jill, imo, have difficulty with the letter r at the beginning of a sentence. Rosie, idk, but something sounds off to me with her whole speech pronunciation. When she speaks, she opens her mouth wide, and you can see her tongue, and it seems, to me at least, that her tongue does not move correctly to form the words. JMO, not criticizing anyone.

    • quincyil says:

      Lots of people have issues. Our public school regularly has speech therapists work with kids in K-3. All Illinois public schools do this.

      • quincyil says:

        I have a friend here who when I first met her sounded like she was from England. Her mom was a speech therapist in a small town near Quincy so she grew up saying every word perfectly.

        Catherine Ommanney’s father was successful and she was sent to good schools. Still, she speaks like the people in the area where she was born.

        The women from Mafia Wives/Staten Island speak a lot like Teresa. It has to be the Italian/Sicilian connection.

        BTW, my granddaughter is one four Italian/Sicilian from Brooklyn. The other grandmother sounds like Edith from All in the Family. She is a very loving and hard working nurse. I love her too.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      ITA – Rosie’s tongue doesn’t seem to move correctly.

    • Suzieq says:

      I tried to watch one episode and couldn’t do it…….I just can’t listen to her voice. It just drives me crazy! It’s like when I’m out shopping and someone comes up next to me and is smacking their gum, I literally RUN away from them to the other side if the store. I’m sure Rosie is a great person and the show is great, etc…..but I just can’t listen to her voice.

    • chismosa says:

      she ABSOLUTELY has an impediment and it annoys me because i had a lisp in like 2/3rd grade and took little classes that i remember as fun to rid myself of it because i was raised properly. but this “baroness”??- couldn’t? I know i know some people choose to keep these things- aka Bawbwa. But it annoys me. It’s like braces- why not get them done? Why didn’t your parents do this for you? Now she is in the public eye and sounds ridiculous.

      Also my friend tells me that she sees my tongue when i talk so i think it is a remnant of my old problem, except now i speak perfect ‘s’s. She said she thinks i have a ‘heavy tongue’. so gross! i was embarrassed!

    • I agree. It’s something other than an accent. I have a hard time understanding Rosie. I mean, I’m really straining to figure out what she’s saying. It’s not a judgment against her by any means. My son had trouble pronouncing his ‘th’ sounds when he was little and he went to a speech teacher in elementary school. It would just be nice to understand the main personality of a TV show.

      • I'm in Florida says:

        I think she has a tongue ring and is being careful not to bust her teeth. Lots of my HS students have them and talk the same way.

    • Nancy says:

      She thrusts her tongue.

  8. quincyil says:

    server support company nyc

    Submitted on 2011/05/11 at 6:38 am
    You Amercians take yourselves very seriously. You don’t seem to have any sense of humility. Just a load of self congratulatory back slapping. It makes me cringe.

    (This was on Lynn’s RHNYC blog, Q It takes a lot of humility to cross the Atlantic and leave that message on a server.)

    • chismosa says:

      wow, thanks Quincy. How odd- nothing to add whatsoever to anything

      • quincyil says:

        It is my opinion, that this is a former friend of Cat stopping by to tell us who Cat/Cathy is.

        We have taken hits from Jill Zarin and her friends so this British person should stand in line. rotfl…

      • quincyil says:

        My ancestors are English/Irish. They came her in the early 1700s and 1840s because of British policies and the class system that would not allow people to move up in society. Cat Ommanney should stay here and work hard. Her girls will have opportunities based on their own abilities, not on the station in life they were born into.

        • error404 says:

          Their class system really broke down in the later half of the 20th century. And if this person’s point is that Brits don’t fan worship reality tv stars, than they’ve never once been to the UK. Jade anyone?

          • 2Stupid says:

            LOL Error! The Brits created reality TV and WORSHIP the stars. We may be bad, but they have no room to turn their noses up to us.

            • error404 says:

              ITA except for the “created” part. I think the Dutch started the whole thing with ‘Big Brother’.

              • Okie Folkie says:

                I think we did, with Judge Wapner.
                Or Jack Lalane…way yonder back in the ’60s-’70s.

                • error404 says:

                  some people say it was the Loud’s on PBS back in th 70s, but that was really a documentary.

                  the Dutch Big Brother was the first “reality TV” show IIRC.

                  • NJBev says:

                    “Cinema Verite”
                    was a “documentary”
                    on HBO that told us about, (what the New York papers
                    called), the very first “reality show”on TV. it was
                    about the “Loud Family from Santa Barbara”
                    it starred James Gandolfini, and Diane Lane.
                    The Post and The Daily News
                    both called this
                    show{the Louds}
                    the very first
                    “reality show’,,
                    BUT it might have said the very first “American” reality show…..
                    can’t remember.
                    it doesn’t matter anyway!!
                    I watched about
                    45 minutes of it, and couldn’t watch it anymore.
                    I don’t know why, maybe boring?

                    I’d love to see the original show with the
                    Louds-wonder if PBS is going to show it?

    • skogsstig says:

      Makes her/him cringe, eh? This from a person who’s writing style and colloquialisms come across more as American than British….

    • lovemamaearth says:

      John Fowles talks about British arrogance in Wormholes, Essays and Occasional Writings.

    • error404 says:

      Wow, this person figured us out. IHJZ is just a site of smug fans celebrating the wonder that is Jill Zarin! This poster is absolutely right: I’d loved nothing more than to give Jill a good slap!

  9. AZ Girl says:

    IHJZ has now crossed the “Pond”. That is cool. Well done Lynn and Q.

  10. boston02127 says:

    Great blog Quincy, thx. I feel like I’m missing all the shows. Glad I can catch up here.

  11. boston02127 says:

    @kotagirl29 —I just got done reading yesterday’s blog. I’m so sorry for your loss. You’re in my prayers.

  12. boston02127 says:

    Jill was tweeting from Saks dressing room asking her 8 fans their opinions about cloths.

    Who wants to go shopping with me at Saks?? I need honest opinions. How do u like this Eli tahari ? http://twitpic.com/4vz68n

  13. boston02127 says:

    Do I smell? Everytime I have time to come here, nobody’s around. Do I have computer B.O.?

  14. AZ Girl says:

    According to Perez Hilton Slade Smiley owes close to $139,000 in back child support and after testifying about his income a judge ruled that Slade needs to expand his job search outside of the entertainment industry and contact 5 potential employer’s per week. Time for Slade to get off his butt and contact McDonalds.

    • dsc60 says:

      there’s also over a millions bucks in unpaid medical expenses not covered by his insurance for his son. i think slade is slimy but i feel bad about his son. nobody deserves to go through that.

  15. tweatcyn says:

    Took today off and am watching a great British Miss Marple Murder Mystery called “Murder She Said” Righteeeooooo. Pip pip and all that.

  16. boston02127 says:

    Which housewife most resembles your closest friend? (Bethenny excluded)

    • jeepers1941 says:

      Sorry Boston, but all my friends are to old, and there are no prunes in the HW franchise, guess Lea from Miami would be the closest………….

      • boston02127 says:

        jeepers—I can’t think of one either, (besides B) just thought I’d try & get the blog going. I’m going to go take a nap before I have to go back out for work.

    • error404 says:

      the one thing that seems common among all the HWs is control issues, and I avoid control freaks like the plague.

      Alex and Jill are really the only ones that remind me of anyone I know, but I mean s2 yenta-with-a-good-heart Jill, not s3 evil-bitch-from-hell Jill.

      In truth, there are actually very few RHs I like.

    • VAgirl says:

      thanks the captions were too funny

    • quincyil says:

      Remember the story that Lynn and I wrote for season 4. The last chapter was called, “The Cold War.” @gingerzarin has gone to Siberia and didn’t tweet anymore so that is where I got the title.

      I think the Cold War is over and Jill went to batttle with her comments at the wedding that Alex McCord was a F B**** and she was not worthy of going to the wedding. I bet Alex did not know she said those things until they received the video. These are the true feelings of Jill Zarin and even though we see some hugs and kisses from Jill along the way, we have to remember her true feelings. Jill is acting for the camera as she indicates in her tweets which are posted on the board today. She is acting like a nice person on stage and off stage, she says these things.

      I remember that a lot of the bad press that Alex got last year was from sites close to Jill and her friends. Bethenny went on RHNYC and told us that she thought Jill was planting stories. Alex told us that in the season three finale.

      My soothsayer vibes tell me that someone who who publish a bad review on Amazon on their “friend’s book, would go to blogs and post bad things about their “friends.”

  17. Jill must be worried about the next episode. LOL

    From Facebook:

    Jill Zarin: Need to watch tomorrows episode to blog the show. Honestly? some of the bad acting you will see is getting ridiculous. See if you can point it out!

    She always uses the “acting” or the “editing” excuse. She must come off looking really bad. 😀

    • boston02127 says:

      I wonder what happen to her upstream show? Failed?

      • I can’t remember where I read it but Jill said that she might do a Ustream video on Thursday night. I get the feeling that she probably won’t do it this week because Kelly and Cindy are going to be on WWHL. Jill will be too busy tweeting Andy Cohen because she desperately wants her name mentioned on WWHL. She will probably try to call in too. She is so desperate!

      • lovemamaearth says:

        Can you imagine if B did an upstream? I’d sure watch!

    • ihearttalavera says:

      “See if you can point it out!”

      Why does this make me feel violent?

    • chismosa says:

      i feel so bad for Quogue. It’s really a beautiful area and you can get houses for like 2 million or even up at times. i had a summer house with friends in east quogue which is ahem, not as nice but it was great fun!
      Quogue is lovely and if i didn’t hate Cindy so much i’d be more defensive of her

      • error404 says:

        ITA I had a friend with a house in east Quogue and it was lovely, not at all snooty pretentious like East Hampton.

        • nathania says:

          It kills me that these folks have everything in the world to be happy about, and they can’t be happy just in terms of being happy, they have to cast aspersions on other people to be happy. ‘I am a billionaire, but I can’t be happy unless I can look down my nose at the millionaires.’


  18. jeepers1941 says:

    I think I am going house hunting for Bethenny and Jason……. 🙂

  19. Kelly_Has_Big_Shoulders says:

    Just saw this. Sorry if it has been posted already. This is what Kreepy Been-someone is up too.


    • katlg says:

      And that is why she is home alone on a Friday night!

    • error404 says:

      j’adore Kiki’s DIYoutube crazy-tv! I am sure that Psych Profs all over the country show them in class.

      As someone how grew up at the beach, I know first hand that nothing will damage your hair and make it look like old barn straw better than a day at the beach, so it’s no surprise to me that oil, salt and alcohol will give someone that “Beachy look”. Sounds like the prefect cocktail to ruin a good head of hair.

      • Kukulet says:

        I was thinking that her hair looked better than it usually does before she started putting all that stuff on it.

        I’m also pretty sure that if Kelly wants to avoid that “fried” or greasy look her hair usually has, she should stop chewing on it or constantly playing with it.

        It’s really gross, watching this grown woman in her 40’s always picking at her hair. She’s like a grooming monkey.

      • nathania says:

        did she really say that?

        oil, salt, and alcohol for hair?

        (I am so not watching it to find out).

        What she means is I got drunk and passed out on the beach and the suntan lotion, sea salt and dried vomit turned out to be a sturdy hair gel.

        Because otherwise why on earth would anyone combine those things…

      • floridagirl88 says:

        I agree with the author of that article: I feel just a little dumber for watching that video.

    • California35 says:

      She really has nothing to do, or no one to hang out with, does she? Read a book or something, gueezz

  20. California35 says:

    Are they or aren’t they? I say they just want attention….


    • error404 says:

      it’s hard to imagine any couple that I could actually care less about.

      • California35 says:

        I’m with you…I did not care for them when I watched BHHW… It was just funny that I had just seen the coment about them spliting up, then finding this on people magazine….two stories on the same day.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        I agree. Except maybe Heidy and Spencer. But at least they have the decency to totally annoy me.

    • Mookies1mom says:

      What a way to get your name in the press. I bet they are behind all of this.

    • nathania says:

      funny the last show was supposed to be her 40th birthday but they have her listed as 39.

      I think it must have been a rumor because if this were for attention I think they’d have waited a bit longer before issuing the denial. The other story just came out a few days ago.

      My guess is Russell is not sitting/staying/rolling over to her satisfaction and she is threatening him with something or other to bring him in line. Something is clearly going on with her…the weight loss speaks for itself. Michael K on dlisted cracked me up about this, he said, how can she lose 15 pounds when she doesn’t even weigh 15 pounds.

  21. AZ Girl says:

    Jill sounds a bit nervous about tomorrow’s episode. Can’t wait to see the “bad acting”. Why does she think that all of us are dumb? My theory is that after the last BEA episode the comments here were about how “real”, “loving” BEA is compared to the toxic swamp of Hwony. Now Jill says HWONY is all acting and staged. What happened to the summer camp theory Jill?

    • error404 says:

      IMO Jill has been hinting all season that her cast mates are phonies who form two-faced cliques just to backstab her. To her, things like “Alex and Sonja burry the hatchet” are “bad acting”. It’s an old trick, point the finger at someone else to avoid attention on your own bad behavior.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        ITA – Jill was the queen of setting people up and now she is beginning to realize that they are all capable of the same behavior.

        • jeepers1941 says:

          WCW, I don’t think jz realizes anything, nodda, zip. She is to busy planning her next attack on the castmates. She is to be pittied for sure, a five yr old in a grown woman’s body. Actually, I know some 5 yr old that would put her to shame when it comes to how one treats a friend. I mean she really thinks we are all so stupid, that we would believe any of the shit she throughs out there. She is definitely a sad excuse for a human being, mother, wife and clearly not anyone’s friend. Gawd IHJZ

          • Kukulet says:

            When Jill cites “editing” and “acting”, it just means that the camera caught her behaving like the out and out bitch that she is.

            Another thing that is sad about JZ – she is so transparently manipulative, yet she actually believes that no one can see it.

            Please, Bravo, give Alex her own show and put the rest of these “ladies” out of our misery.

            • quincyil says:

              I bet she watched the DVD already.

              • AZ Girl says:

                That is what I was thinking. Is she allowed by Bravo to give out hints before it airs?

                • WindyCityWondering says:

                  Doubt Bravo would give Jill permission to leak an episode! Jill likely doesn’t like her editing – nothing new!

  22. jeepers1941 says:

    Do B & J still live close to jz? If they do, you would think that as much as they get out and walk, they would have run into jz. I mean if she ran into Cindy & KOOKOO at the park “by chance” (haha), then surely she has seen B & J out walking. Maybe she is hiding from them? Just was wondering how close they live to each other, or was that when B lived in the old apt. when she met J?

    • Kukulet says:

      B’s old apartment was close to Jill’s place, but I think her and Jason’s current place is pretty far away.

      • California35 says:

        And now they are looking at apparments? hhm hopefully they will be moving even farther away 🙂

        • jeepers1941 says:

          I hope they move into a big house, one were they both have an office, a place for Julie, Gawa and a guest house for the in-laws or friends that come to visit. Lots of grounds for Bryn to play in with her new brother or sister. A big kitchen for B to cook up a strom would be great too. Somewhere with waterfronts for the Skinny Girl yacht of course. And a parking space for the Skinny Girl tour bus, can’t forget the bus……….haha 🙂

          • California35 says:

            Sounds like a very nice place! and I hope so too. BUT I wonder what they can get in NY, if they are looking for an apparment. Are there places like that in NY, even with all the money she has? Just wondered. They can have bedrooms, offices and kitchen, but I don’t know about ground and waterfront and parking for bus…lol

            • jeepers1941 says:

              Hell they should buy a place in the Hamptons, on the bay, that would really piss off a lot of people….. 🙂

            • error404 says:

              of course. Where do you think The DOnald lives! 😛

              • jeepers1941 says:

                so does, KOOKOO, LULU and lets us not forget, Ramona, who looks like she turned out to be a shithead about B. But I bet it would frost they’re balls if they bought a place there…. 🙂
                There is a I am up here and you are down there thing in my thinking for some reason……..

      • MichellefromNY says:

        yeah they’re in tribeca, jill is in the upper east side. Which is like two different worlds in manhattan. And remember, manhattan has like 8 million residents, plus tons of day travelers. It makes total sense that they never see each other. Only if B went up to UES and JZ went down to Tribeca (which she never would because its beneath her), then its possible they would see each other

  23. The Real Housewives of New Jersey: Teresa’s fall-out with her co-stars

    When Bravo’s The Real Housewives of New Jersey returns on May 16, stay-at-home mom Teresa Giudice is forced to step in as the breadwinner when financial troubles hit. But that’s not all that’s changed! Behind the scenes, “Teresa has taken the place of fired villain Danielle Staub,” an insider reveals to Life & Style. In fact, the insider says Teresa’s acting like such a diva that the entire cast has turned against her — even former best friends Caroline Manzo and Jacqueline Laurita.

    After she and husband Joe filed for bankruptcy, Teresa formed a plan to become the most valuable star on Housewives. “She says Jacqueline’s boring and Caroline’s old,” another insider tells Life & Style. “She thinks they can’t do the show without her.”

    Stirring the pot even more, in the foreword of Teresa’s second book Fabulicious!, she takes a public dig at Caroline, criticizing her cooking and the fact that she does her grown sons’ laundry. “On this book tour, Teresa plans to take the feud further, attacking Caroline while she’s not there to defend herself,” says the second insider. The insider says Caroline and Jacqueline feel she’s become so intolerable, “they don’t know how much more they can take. This isn’t the woman Teresa used to be.”

    For more inside The Real Housewives of New Jersey, pick up the new issue of Life & Style, on newsstands now in New York and nationwide Friday!


    • California35 says:

      Maybe they didn’t know her that way, and or she acted diferently around them. I doubt she changed. For what I have seen and read about her, I get the feeling that since she was not getting along with her own extended family, she was hanging out with the Manzos and Loritas (?). She is now burning bridges with them also now.

    • error404 says:

      I never buy the whole “she’s changed so much” spiel.

      Then again, I never buy the “we’ve been friends since way back”, “she’s like a sister to me”, or “I all about loyalty” spiels either.

      Ter is the same as she always was. The Manzos use people. Now that they got what they wanted: Danielle gone, they have no further use for Ter. I never believed a word they said when they constantly told us how funny she was, how much they loved her, how close they all were. I suspect they barely knew her before filming began. Now that she’s the breakout star, it’s Adios Lunatic. Khama’s a bitch Teresa, and so are you!

      • California35 says:

        they used her?? hhmmm I didn’t think of it that way, I was thinking the opposite. Or that maybe that they all were friends to each other because of one common denominator (Danielle). Now thatt there is no Danielle, they are not holding on to each other the way they used to. Either way, it did seem like they only”tolerate” and now they won’t any more. In other words, it sounds like you might be right 😛 (sorry it took me long to get there :-P)

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          IMO, Caroline tolerated Teresa. The bad press, bankruptsy, Joe’s dui – bringing unwanted attention is not Caroline’s style.

        • nathania says:

          yeah, the common enemies thing was what it was.

          she was their little rabid pit bull that was trashy enough to do the things that they were not. now that Danielle is gone they don’t need her and probably don’t want to be associated with her but good luck with that one, they have dug their graves. it’s only going to get worse for the Guidices legally I’m sure.

      • AZ Girl says:

        And Caroline has that bad ass dog that will kill on command. Now THAT is something I would watch. Tree screeching through the neighborhood with that dog on her heels.

      • chismosa says:

        Error i agree completely with your assessment on this

    • Nancy says:

      I wonder if Caroline is going to get Andy to fire Teresa like she did Danielle?

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        If she gets fired, I don’t think it will be because of Caroline having any clout but rather that Joe and his chimp are loose cannons. How many people do they need to nearly kill before Bravo gets sued for helping to enable them.

    • nathania says:

      oh give me a break.

      Teresa has not changed, aside from her boob job.

      This is the same classless lunatic you used as a bloodhound to track Danielle Staub and run her up the tree, ladies. The. same. person.

      She’s outlived her usefulness to you, and her relatives have taken over the show, making the two of you, who barely tolerate each other, footnotes, or bookends. Consider it karma.

  24. Rabble Rouser says:

    JUST IN…


    Reality superstar Bethenny Frankel — creator of the Skinnygirl margarita — has been sued for more than $100 MILLION for allegedly cutting her former management company out of the biggest deal of her life.


    Frankel’s former management company, Raw Talent, claims Bethenny signed with them back in 2008 … with the hopes of maximizing the potential of her Skinnygirl cocktail line.

    According to the lawsuit, obtained by The Hollywood Reporter, Raw Talent claims, “[Bethenny] expressly represented that any agreement relating to the exploitation of the Skinnygirl Cocktail Brand would be commissionable under their management agreement.”

    RT claims they hooked up Frankel with some powerful people in the liquor biz .. only for Beth to fire them days before she sold Skinnygirl for a reported $120 million.

    RT claims they want their cut of the deal — $12 mil — plus $100 mil in punitive damages.

    • California35 says:

      what!!!!?? no, no, no. Please let this be not true…

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        I don’t think anyone needs to worry just yet, just because someone filed a lawsuit it doesn’t mean that it won’t get tossed out or that they will get a judgment.

        Although the 120 million she reportedly made seems a bit inflated, I’m not saying it couldn’t happen but I remember hearing that 50 Cent made 50 million of his deal to sell Vitamin Water to Coca Cola- and that is a more widely know, accessible beverage.

        • Nancy says:

          I think the 120 million might be right but I think Bethenny and her partner will be splitting that.
          But 60 million isn’t that bad, eh?

        • HD says:

          50 cent made 400 million dollars.

          • Rabble Rouser says:

            I could of swore I heard 50 million but maybe the 50 is stuck in my head because of his name.

            • HD says:

              Rapper 50 Cent is going straight to the bank — he’s reportedly received a massive $400 million paycheck after The Coca-Cola Company bought the firm behind his energy drink Formula 50 last week.

              Glaceau, which produces the Vitamin Water range inspired by the star, was acquired by The Coca-Cola Company for $4.1 billion last Friday.

              Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?entry_id=17046#ixzz1M6UsXYCw

              • Rabble Rouser says:

                I wonder if that puts him on the the Top of the highest earning rap/hip hop stars since that doesn’t include his record, concert, merch sales not to mention any other businesses he might own a share in.

      • Okie Folkie says:

        I just saw that too, & brought the link over…but Rable Rouser got it over here faster. (good going, RR!)

        I hope this cant happen! She hasnt even gotten to enjoy being rich for any real length of time.

        I’m feeling so bad for Beth, Jason & sweet lil Bryn so much.

        • Rabble Rouser says:

          Don’t feel bad just yet…I think anytime someone strikes it rich be it a business deal or a lottery ticket, it doesn’t take long before the vultures start to come out. Even if these people do have a case, I can’t see them being awarded 100 million in damages.

          One of the last big Mega million jackpots ( I think it was for 360 million) had two ticket winners. One of them was a single mom with a few kids who was separated from her husband because he was abusive. If she took the lump sum, after taxes it would have been 90 million- half of which that SOB could apparently law claim on. I don’t know what happened in the end but the thought of a violent thug who mercilessly beat his wife getting rich off her makes me sad and sick.

    • Kukulet says:

      A lawsuit being filed is completely separate from a lawsuit being won. Anyone can file a lawsuit for just about any reason they could dream up.

      For example, I made the banner for this blog-I could claim that Lynn and I had a verbal agreement that she would give me a cut of the proceeds if she sold the “I Hate Jill Zarin” brand and ask for a gazillion dollars in punitive damages…but that doesn’t mean I’d win that much, win the case, or even get it heard before a judge.

      And the $100 million in punitive damages is like the listed price on a car or a house-a high starting point that would be negotiated downward-IF the case made it to court and punitive damages were awarded at all.

      This isn’t a fight against Big Tobacco by a poor widow who lost her husband to lung cancer. No judge would give this company $100 million even if he decided a breach of contract existed.

      • AZ Girl says:

        Kukulet is right. Anyone can file a lawsuit. Sour grapes. Unfortunately this happens all the time. Sucks. But if the lawsuit is groundless then B’s attorney’s will file a Motion to Dismiss.

        • AZ Girl says:

          There are no punitive damages on a contract dispute.

          • No Disrespect says:

            Long time reader. Irregular poster.

            I find it interesting that they are only suing Bethanny and not Beam… Beam presumably has more assets to raid. Sounds like this company is trying to stick it to Beth.

            • AZ Girl says:

              Their contract was with B. My concern if there was a “non-compete” clause in her contract with “Raw Talent” then they may have a case. I don’t think Beam would have signed on as a distributor is there were “loose ends”

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jim Beam has lawyers and everything had to pass muster before the deal would go through – no way would the fired mgmt company get the kind of money they are suing Bethenny for now.

    • California35 says:

      I was hoping no on the lawsuit, and no on loosing. I hope that it is only a rumor…I would hate for her and her family to go through all that mess.

    • T-Rex says:

      Of course there is a Lawsuit, this happens quite frequently in the branding business. Trust, Seagrams lawyers went over all of her contracts, agreements, etc prior to them buying the business. In fact, many of these companies “pad” into the agreements the frivolous lawsuits. Anyone can plunk down money to some greedy lawyer to start a lawsuit, actually staying the course and continuing the matter is a whole other ball game. They are looking for a fast payout, hoping that someone will pay them off to “shut up”. We call it the “shutup” fees for a business transaction. This is also great PR to get the name of the “scumbags”, err I mean the so-called Jilted company some airtime on any of the various media outlets. Again, all Bethenny’s contracts were privy to Seagrams, BravoTV, etc. she is not stupid and neither are any of her lawyers. While it looks like Bethenny and Jason received the email on TV, rest assured all contracts were completely “combed” through by attorneys on both sides.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      This is exactly why they were so nervous about the money. Augh.

      One thing that really had me thinking when I watched the finale is Jason’s comment about the “little girl sleeping in the other room” who has “no idea what just happened.” He said B would have an amazing story to tell her daughter one day. That just made me smile because Bryn is such a happy baby. She was not going to be more or less happy when she woke up. She has no clue and would be exactly the same even though their lives changed immensely. I thought it really illustrated the fact that money can’t buy you happiness so well. They already had incredible happiness.

      Now if this ruins it, I’ll be PISSED!!!

      • ihearttalavera says:

        By “ruins it,” I meant stress from the lawsuit, not possibly losing the money. How ironic that getting what she has worked so hard for has the potential to cause such misery.

        I agree with the other posters that Beam is such a large company, surely they made sure the loose ends were tied up. However, I think people are going to be coming out of the woodwork now. This may also change Bethenny’s ability to live and say things she used to without a filter since she will now have to worry about every jackass she comes across trying to sue her. Sad.

    • Mookies1mom says:

      Like B said “More money, more problems”.

  25. cabbie413 says:

    I want to start a campaign – UNFOLLOW @jillzarin day – That lady really sucks balls.

  26. AZ Girl says:

    NEWS FLASH! The “TeamJillblog” has now doubled its followers: 6

    • California35 says:


    • ihearttalavera says:

      Ha! Thanks for the laugh. Totally needed that right now.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      AZ, Do you watch Bachelor/Bachelorette? Does Lynn blog about those? I’m new…

      • AZ Girl says:

        No but if you want to volunteer to do a blog just give them the “shout out” about it.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          Oh gawd. With the grammar and typing errors I have going on today, they would laugh in my face.

      • AZ Girl says:

        Here is Lynn’s email: Lynn Hudson ;

        • AZ Girl says:

          Oops I guess I can’t give out Lynn email. DUH!. She will give it to you when she see’s the posts. Dumb AZgirl!

          • ihearttalavera says:

            Oops, sorry about that. Thanks for trying though.

            Um, I’m not sure if you were part of the love fest that was going on the other day, but I just wanted to say that my husband has a job that forces us to move a lot. Most of the time we aren’t in the same place long enough for me to make any real friends. I do have some girl friends that I’ve had forever, but as we get older (and we are in different time zones) it is harder to stay in touch. So, I just wanted to say that I’m really happy I found this blog. You are one of my favorites on here, AZ. And I’m not just saying that because you’re the only other person on here right at this particular moment. 😉

          • LynnNChicago says:

            Feel free to give out my email, no problem ! 🙂


    • Nancy says:

      AZ Girl,
      My husband has been in a really bad mood today but cracked up when I read him your post. Thanks!!

      • AZ Girl says:

        That is nice of him. I have had a long week. Up at 4 a.m. all week to get into the office so by this time of day I am a little “goofy”. Hopefully I will be able to stay up and watch TCM and for sure be put to sleep.

    • Katiecoo says:

      OMG that is so funny…..6 whole followers! Who signed up? Her sister’s dog?

  27. T-Rex says:

    Heard a little tidbit from the grapevines, sorry if someone already posted this. A little birdie said the reason for the extended tapings for RHNY was due to the fact that Bethenny signed the agreement to Sell her Brand. One of the caveats was she didn’t want to be a part of the filming and will NOT be shown this season of RHNY, she agreed to a 3rd season of her show instead, so she was edited out. Not sure if true, as the RHNY season is viewed we will see if this is correct.

    • Nancy says:

      Bethenny is my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • T-Rex says:

        I wonder if this why Ramoanerollercoaster was bitter about the announcement of Bethenny’s great fortune!

        • Nancy says:

          If this is the truth did Bethenny ever give the FU to RHONY. Brilliant!!!
          I wonder if Ramona blames B for the low ratings (therefore) her branding being hurt because of that???

          I bet Shill has a big smile on her face right now with the TMZ news and all. Bethenny’s not stupid. I bet nothing will come from this.

        • Mookies1mom says:


    • error404 says:

      OK, I have a sinus infection so my usual blockhead is even thicker and duller than usual.

      What? What does selling Skinnygirl have to do with filming RHNY? Caveat to what? So… are you saying she filmed s4 RHNY, and then they had to delay it because all scenes containing her had to be edited out?

      • Nancy says:

        I’m a little lost myself. How could Bethenny have that kind of power?

        • Nancy says:

          It could be that Bthenny didn’t want to up the ratings of RHONY but wanted to save it for BGM.
          But again, how did she have that kind of power at Bravo?

      • quincyil says:

        I think the women might damage her reputation and affect the number of fans. With her own show, she can control the content.

        • Nancy says:

          So do you think Bethenny did film with RHONY season 4 and then Bravo had to edit her out before launch date? That doesn’t make sense to me. How did Bethenny get that kind of power? I thought she was under contract to appear in RNONY season 4.

          • quincyil says:

            I think she was at places they were at. Probably, a fashion show. I know there was a lot of talk in Oct. about her being in six shows.

            As late as the beginning of filming, the stars thought she might come back.

      • nathania says:

        Yeah, I’m not clear on how she would get that much power except for the fact that after the money came down, Bravo suddenly is made to see that whereas before Bethenny needed them, now the situation is reversed and they need her. I don’t know if that was clear to them at the time this all happened but it sure might be now. Because OC and NY are probably not doing as well ratings-wise, both are clearly on their last legs. I will be surprised if there is another season of OC. I suppose NY might stumble along for another year, at most. Whereas if Bethenny wanted to continue her show she could probably do so as long as she wanted to. She sure doesn’t HAVE to now.

        I don’t think that lawsuit has a chance in hell. I have a feeling that Jim Beam has the finest lawyers available and they will probably be representing Bethenny since they might be asking for future earnings from the product in the suit.

      • T-REX says:

        Error, what I meant was she is now a HUGE brand, thanks to Bravo, but now she has more clout because if someone can go from a RH franchise to a multi-millionaire, they have power. From what was said, Bravo had no deal for a S3 of Bethenny’s show, there were deals for “Bethenny getting marrried”, and “BEA”. I heard that there were negotiations regarding S3 for Bethenny’s show, then all of sudden we hear that S4 of RHONY was postponed. That’s when the rumor was sent to me that Bethenny would not be appearing at all on S4. Again, this was a rumor, from a good source, but only time will tell.

    • Nancy says:

      Do you think Bravo gave her that choice? Man did she ever hate RHONY.
      She had no idea if “Bethenny getting married” would be a hit. She just couldn’t stomach filming with “those” people. Good for her. I have to feel sorry for Alex though. I wish we could find her a job so she could get the hell out of there. Does anyone think their will be a season 5 of this train wreck?

    • lovemamaearth says:

      So they probably had to edit out a scene or two from fashion shows or something. Maybe B was at the island birthday party.

      I’m disappointed to hear B’s thoughts about Ramona. I had hoped they’d stay friends. But I understand it. Snarkiness is irritating.

  28. Okie Folkie says:

    A few days ago I checked the TV guide thing on my TV. Bravo WAS airing Season 3 RHNYC along with the Reunion. Today I was scanning through to see what time the reunion show would begin airing…..SURPRISE….all damn day looooong is Patti Skanker’s stinky show.
    Wonder WHY the change?
    Did anyone else notice this?

    ***ALSO*** Has anyone heard from Kotagirl today? I have been worried about her & dont see any posts from her today. Maybe I missed it??? I hope she is doing OK. I know she was very worried to the point of panic, yesterday. I’m concerned.
    I hope she’s gotten in touch w/someone here.

    • Nancy says:

      She left a long post on yesterday blog. I was worried about her all night.
      She seems a lot better 🙂

      • Okie Folkie says:

        Thanks Nancy! I cant help but be concerned for her. I’ll go check if I cant find her post from last night(?).

        • Nancy says:

          I meant to say that she left a long post dated today but it’s on Lynn’s last blog. If that made sense? Lynn hadn’t posted her blog yet.

        • Okie Folkie says:

          I’m still wondering about Bravo’s last minute change in scheduling of tomorrows S-3 RHNYC?

          Did Jill and KooKooKaDoo whine to BravoAndy & rather than ‘listening to them WHINE’, was it just easier to put that awful Skanker ”show” intruding on our day?

          I’ve stopped watching TCM, & Skanker. Quite a few of the ‘NEW’ shows I’ve seen promos for, I wont be watching either. Bravo used to be a FAVORITE of mine, yeah, not s’much anymore.

          I cant even watch PIH! The reason, for me, it sounds like a buncha rich pregnant women who know NOTHIN’ ’bout birthin’ no BABIES’!
          Since I havent even seen anything, other than the promos….thats enough for me not to even watch.

          When my Daddy was a baby, (as per my Grandma) many, many families of that era would use the Chest of Drawers, pulling out a drawer & placing an infant in the drawer, for a good nights sleep, in the parents bedroom. Makes sense to me, for that time….which was 1920, in my Daddy’s case.

  29. cabbie413 says:

    with the news of this lawsuit and the $100 million dollar amount they are asking for, it seems to me that the $120MM price tag everyone was saying wasn’t so, must be so ..or at least close to it!

    • Kukulet says:

      According to reports, Bethenny fired Raw Talent as her managers days before signing the deal to sell Skinny Girl.

      With that, it’s pretty likely that this lawsuit is dead in the water. She fired them. They no longer represented her at the time she signed the deal. Case closed.

      This is just a nuisance lawsuit for publicity purposes.

      • chismosa says:

        wow that is pretty harsh if you ask me- she fired them just days before? won’t that give them additional cause? I dont know about this….
        I’m sure B will be fine.

        couple of things everyone-
        i hope Kota is feeling better today ??
        Is Luann’s house in the Hamptons really for sale? Someone said it above.
        I can’t believe B filmed HW season 4? so she literally filmed for weeks and then the deal happened so she told them to cut it all out and agreed to a s3 of Bethenny? So all the scenes leading up to the deal– her tour bus/ skating with the stars/ christmas/ everythiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing- was filmed along the housewives? How did she film dual shows/ overlapping?

        Lastly, i caught Nene on Ellen- loved her- she was honest, warm, gracious. Ellen clearly loves her and they all mutually agreed that Star is a witch. Audience thought so too. Love you Nene!

        • No Disrespect says:

          What I find hard to believe is that her management company had no idea the deal was going down prior to being fired. I would think that they would be in the thick of negotiations…

          I sense that there’s a lot more to the story than reported, but if indeed, she signed the deal shortly after firing them, it would have to be a coincidence. And I say that not being a total Bethenny fan.

          • No Disrespect says:

            Big deals to major companies don’t happen overnight. J Beam didn’t one day wake up, decide to buy SkinnyGirl and hand Frankel a check for $120M (or whatever the final negotiated price was.) Weeks, if not months of negotiations would have had to occur and lawyers, financial stakeholders (and yes, management companies) would have to be involved.

        • Kukulet says:

          I don’t know if it was harsh or just business…the deal with Beam may have been contingent on certain things, like giving them total control over advertising, etc. Beam’s a national distributor with major advertising-they probably don’t want some smaller, unrelated company promoting what is, essentially, now their product.

      • According to the Hollywood Reporter, who originally broke this story, Bethenny fired Raw Talent Agency back in 2008. They only represented her for three months, from August 2008 to Novemeber 2008.

        “But Raw Talent says Frankel fired Wald in November 2008, days before signing her deal to develop and market Skinnygirl.”


        • cabbie413 says:

          good detective work

          this is bogus! mo money mo problems!

          i think i’ll tweet that lol

      • cabbie413 says:

        right, but my point is people were saying oh she only made 30 million.. so to have the suit for 100 million..well hey.. they cant try to get 100 out of 30 can they..but they can try for 100 out of 120

        ..that being said, i think the lawsuit is dead in the water, unfortunately Bethenny will probably spend $300k in lawyer fees, because I’m sure she’ll hire the best lawyers..and those are pricey!

  30. Lavalady says:

    Raw Talent sounds like a talent agency that would have book Bethenny for talk show appearannces, book signings, award shows, etc. I don’t think a talent agency would be part of a business deal like Bethenny selling her product to Beam. Bethenny may have fired them days before signing with Beam, maybe because she knew she would need a bigger, better agency? Or maybe she was required to use Beam’s public relations people?

    • AZ Girl says:

      This is an excellent point. Beam is a distributor but I can see Beam want full control over advertising content. Raw Talent is an advertising agency. It is going to depend on her contract with Raw Talent and whether she had a non-compete clause or not. Seriously I don’t think Beam would sign her on to distribute if they had not done their homework. I really believe this is just sour grapes and a major hassle for B.

      • AZ Girl says:

        So my point is for Beam to “seal the deal” Raw Talent had to be out. Beam wanted full control over distributing and advertising. Whether B had the right to fire Raw Talent on such short notice would have had to be check out by the attorney’s before hand.

        • Nancy says:

          I think you’ve nailed it AZ Girl. I bet you that is exactly what went down.

        • Katiecoo says:

          I agree…Bethenny is a girl who crosses her T’s and dots her i’s. I’m not worried ’bout her. Plus Jason was totally involved too and he seems ethical and organized.

  31. AZ Girl says:

    I need go to bed but before I do….Jillzy had a posting on her Facebook page from some person whose last name was Snow “You and Bobby should have your own home design show”. Great… “POP” tables all over mid-America. How about it Q? You can put one in the barn. Then there is the blue shiny wallpaper. Time for bed. TCM is boring me to tears. Night all! Looking forward to Lynn’s blog on TCM.

  32. Patti Stanger is already gloating she retweeted a link about the lawsuit. Apparently some psychic predict that Bethenny would be involved in a “legal scandal”. Patti Stanger made sure to retweet the link because she is such a nice person.

    pattistanger: RT @eonline: “http://eonli.ne/mvQIdG” @sexstrology Omg Terry – you predicted that she’d have a legal scandal…unbelievable!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      For what it is worth, Patty has always been jellybeans where Bethenny is concerned.

    • Nancy says:

      Why don’t you go home to you empty house/apt whatever and call your
      BFF Jill Zarin. You two deserve each other. Now that’s a match made in Heaven.

      • Katiecoo says:

        Remember when Patti was caught on film tawking to her bff Jill on the phone calling B a “c-word”? I jumped right off the fence about Patti then and there–to the “no likey” side.

        • nathania says:

          they don’t get it, I guess, how it makes them look.

          I like her show because most of the men on there are creeps (and some of the women too) and she sets them straight or tries to. It’s funny though thinking she would really rip her staff and herself apart if they/she walked through her door looking for a chance to date the clients.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Good grief…has there ever been a housewife that wasn’t involved with a “legal scandal” be it a foreclosure, owing money, IRS problems, being sued by someone for non payment, slander or libel or threatening to sue?

  33. VAgirl says:

    @Zoey -If you’re there – Are you safe from the rising Mississippi? I read where there are some evacuations going on.

  34. dsc60 says:

    there was a post on the last blog that Bethenny cancelled this weeks appearances because she was “sick.” i wonder if that translates into this lawsuit taking a toll on her.

    • Nancy says:

      Also, the lawsuit was filed in LA. I guess now we know why she says she needs to be in LA for “work”?

    • chismosa says:

      i posted that, i did see it online because i was interested in going to see her in the ny- area if she was to be. Saw cancellations. I hope she’s not sick

  35. HD says:

    Did ya’ll see the Silver Fox himself Anderson Cooper clowning the housewives and all their songs, including Simon’s, whose song along with all the other songs, he said, would be on a record that played in Hades. LMAO! Loved it!

  36. HD says:

    Okay…I don’t want this to get lost above…

    Someone explain to me…the company that B fired 2 days before her deal want their cut. Is this on the up and up? Does it appear shady? Why did she fire them just 2 days before the deal? Someone help me please.

    • Nancy says:

      Read AZ Girl above. I think she’s right on target.
      It does make me wonder though.

    • She fired them in 2008, before she signed a partnership deal with David Kanbar. Raw Talent only represented her for three months.

    • I forgot to add the link to the Hollywood Reporter story. They originally broke the story and they go into more details.


      • HD says:

        I’m sorry for asking so many questions and shoot some of them may be stupid. What does this mean:
        “who claim they helped broker her pairing with the lucrative Skinnygirl cocktail brand”

        What do they mean broker her pairing? I thought she came up with the drink and the brand, etc?

        • HD says:

          Nevermind. I read everything. I think I get it. This guy Wald introduce B to Kanbar, who helped broker the deal with Beam. Because Wald did the hook up during thier contract he feels he is entitled to a part of the profit. (I think that’s it.)

          Is he? I don’t know anything about contracts and law and blah blah blah.

        • Raw Talent is claiming that they introduced Bethenny to David Kanbar, the guy who was her partner before she sold SGM to Jim Beam. She did come up with the drink but I guess she needed help in marketing it.

          • No Disrespect says:

            As I interpret it, APA was hired to represent her in 2008 to get an unscripted reality show for her and she agreed to pay 10% of her earnings to him. He was hired AND fired in 2008, and I can perhaps see why. He didn’t really do anything to further her career. Bethenny Getting Married aired in 2010. And as far as the SkinnyGirl situation, didn’t that just hit shelves last year too? All Wald seems to have done is (maybe) introduce Beth to a few people. After she severed her business relationship with him, that shouldn’t mean that she doesn’t get to keep her contacts. Too bad so sad.

            This lawsuit may have had more credibility if he had sued her prior to getting her own series and/or after she launched SkinnyGirl by herself. He’s just out for money now. I predict that it’ll get thrown out a few times (his attorney’s will probably keep appealing). Unfortunately, she’ll have to spend some of her newfound fortune on this nonsense suit for awhile.

  37. Okie Folkie says:

    Just felt the need to *BUMP* our Kotagirl’s sweet reply from the weeeeeee-weeeeeee hours of this mornin’.

    We’re thinking of and praying for ya, ((((((((Kotagirl))))))))))))

    kotagirl29 says:
    May 11, 2011 at 2:25 am

    To the IHJZ Family. . .and I do mean FAMILY! I have just gone through one of the worst days of my life and when I asked, what some would call a group of strangers, for help I was overwhelmed by the outpouring of support that I found here. I have read, and written, posts to others who are suffering in some way, but I can honestly say that it means so much when you are on the receiving end. The concern and kindness I have found here far surpasses anything I have ever experienced before. I was sitting here crying because I have lost a wonderful woman in my life and because I am worried about losing a man as important to me as a father, but now I am crying because I am overcome by the love that I have found on this “hate” blog. Words cannot express how much your kindness has meant to me. The people that gather here have demonstrated, to a virtual stranger, empathy and a generosity of spirit that I did not think could be found any longer. I cannot thank you enough for your support and concern; it really has meant more than you will ever know. From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! I will go to bed tonight knowing that there really are still good people in this world and that they can sometimes be found in the least likely places. To say thank you seems so insufficient, but thank you all so much, you will never know how much your support means to me.

    Christine Davidson

    • Nancy says:

      That made my day. You are very kind yourself. We haven’t heard from you today so I’m hoping all is well.
      I’m just sitting here watching AMERICAN IDOL so if you want to “talk” my “ears” are yours:)

      • Okie Folkie says:

        That was Okie-Folkie just RE-posting, what Kotagirl posted last night.
        It was originally on yesterdays blog….I had asked earlier if we’ve heard from her today, was told she left a post last night, so I went lookin’ for it. When I saw it, I felt it should be re-posted today!

        Sorry for any confusion!


      • ihearttalavera says:

        Christine, Your post also made my day. I thought of you as soon as my eyes opened this morning, so I grabbed my phone to see if you had left us an update. I was so happy that you did. Thank you for taking the time with everything else you have going on in your life. It was so thoughtful and eloquently written, especially considering all you are going through. You are amazing! I logged on tonight because I was thinking about you. Does anyone really watch PIH?? I will check again tomorrow. Hope you’re doing okay.

  38. Nancy says:

    I just saw KooKoo’s boyfriend again on American Idol. Yes Steven Tyler has his feather necklace on again. He just wrote a book and called it…
    Just think about the conversations Kelly and Steve would have.

  39. Adgirl says:

    Lawsuit shmalsuit. We have been the victim of 2 ludicrous lawuits (by the same family). The lawsuits claimed that they “owned” our family company, even though it had been legally formed & the name trademarked before we ever met this nutty family. They also sued us for many millions of dollars. They got nothing but we spent $100’s of thousand on defending ourselves (and we didn;t even make it to depositions). It’s very stressful.

    At any rate, the point is – anyone who thinks they can squeeze a chunk of money out of you and finds a willing attorney to work on contingency will attack you and make your life miserable just for a payout.

    Go Bethenny!

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Unfortunately there are a lot of people in the world who actually make a living by suing other people. I was actually dismissed from jury duty once because I stated this is my belief.

      There is a woman, who is very well known in the area where I live, who does exactly this and she’s very wealthy from it.

  40. chismosa says:

    Lynn and Quincy – i for one am very interested in the issue of Bethenny filming some scenes of RHNY and then those being deleted. I wonder who did she film with? This all overlapped with BEA?
    I hope analysis of this happens as we move on in NY season.

    i cannot believe we have NJ starting so soon. Lord help me with all this overlapping.

  41. Adgirl says:

    I just saw Jennie from Flipping Out on my soap! She is the wedding planner. She played it straight. Very cute!

    • ihearttalavera says:

      I love her! Too bad she wants to be a serious actress instead of a reality star. I think she would be just as good as Bethenny.

      • VAgirl says:

        No disrespect to Jenny, but if she hasn’t made it as a serious actress by now, I think it may be a little too late unless she wants to be a character actress on a TV show or something like that. I think she is talented also, but have never seen her act. I mean I don’t think she is going to get a big movie break or anything like that. I wonder if she’s ever done any Improv or something like that. She’d probably be good as a cast member of SNL. She seems like she’s game for anything as far as comedy goes.

        • VAgirl says:

          OMG. Like, I’m turning into kookoo kelly. I said “like” four times in that paragraph. Like, what was I thinking?

          • ihearttalavera says:

            Ha! Apparently so am I. I didn’t even notice.

          • error404 says:

            don’t even try to steal Kiki’s thunder! She would have delivered it thusly:

            “No disrespect to like Jenny, but if she hasn’t like made it as like a serious actress like by now, I think like it may be a little like too late unless she like wants to be like a character actress on like a TV show or like something like that”

        • ihearttalavera says:

          Unfortunately I thought the same thing when I would see her going to auditions on Flipping Out. Hopefully it will happen later in life for her. There are a lot of very famous actors who started out on soap operas. You never know!

  42. texaschick says:

    I happen to be an attorney who’s negotiated my share of contracts and according to the article on msnbc.com the ex manager claims that Bethenny agreed ORALLY to the 10% fee. There’s no way any manager or agent would not put something like that in writing. Just because he introduced her to an agent who specialized in representing reality stars and a guy who was a player in the liquor industry, it doesn’t automatically entitle him to 10% of any resulting deal. He claims that she sent him an email confirming the agreement, but she probably wrote something like, “thanks so much. I owe you big time. I could have never done this without your help”. I doubt that whatever she wrote would be specific enough to constitute a binding agreement.

    An example that comes up often in my line of business: one of my regular clients says they’ve come up with an invention they want to patent and market. I don’t do this kind of work, but I hook them up with a patent attorney and a marketing guru. They patent their invention and market their product with the experts I referred them to, and make millions. Then I sue them for a share of the resulting money claiming they’d promised me that whatever they earned from their product I’d get a piece. This wouldn’t make sense.

    Of course we don’t know all the facts yet, but because this guy claims only an oral promise, I think he’s just hoping for a decent settlement from Bethenny to make this all go away. Basically, it’s legal blackmail. What Bethenny should have done is as soon as she got her new agent and business partner, have her attorney send a letter to this manager confirming that he wasn’t entitled to any share of the proceeds from the deal.

    Sucks that whenever people have success, the hyenas start circling.


    • ihearttalavera says:

      Is it possible they know they don’t stand a chance but think the threat of such a large dollar lawsuit will land them a much smaller settlement? I was thinking she may just agree to pay to avoid a large legal bill.

      It’s unfortunate that she had such a short time to just enjoy…

      • texaschick says:

        Absolutely possible. Look at the amount they are asking for. $100 million is meant to indicate they are serious and willing to pay big money to litigate this. Also, asking for punitive damages is a joke and they know it. Plus as the case proceeds, potentially embarrassing facts could surface. They are hoping for a moderate payoff along with an agreement to keep the terms confidential.

    • VAgirl says:

      Thanks, texaschick. I have a question. Even if he got the 10% ($12M) he alleges he is entitled to, would there be any way he could get punitive damages in a case like this, from what you know of what has been reported?

      • texaschick says:

        First of all, there’s no way the guy would get 10% of $120 million in any court of law in this country. She has partners and there would be numerous other factors that would reduce the initial figure even if for some reason a judge or jury said they were entitled to 10% of it. Again, they are not looking for this to go through the entire process. They are looking for a settlement to make this go away.

        • Nancy says:

          Why wouldn’t they get $10% if thats what the verbal agreement was?

          • texaschick says:

            I said there would be no way he would get 10% OF 120 MILLION. If indeed they found a valid verbal agreement existed, he would get 10% of whatever Bethenny’s rightful share would be. Since she has a partner, and that 120 figure, if correct, probably includes future incentives and other $ not yet earned, he would get 10% of a much smaller amount than 120 M. Make sense?

    • Katiecoo says:

      Thank you for this explanation! I was wondering about the “verbal agreement” part of this claim. I believe Bethenny was careful and shrewd and well advised in this…sucks that she’s having to fend this crap off now. But I bet it will not be as big of a deal that, say, Jill Zarin is hoping.

    • Adgirl says:

      Thanks texaschick for your input from a lawyer side. It’s really incredible what people will claim in order to grab a piece of someone else’s treasure. A passing association or a brief business relationship should not be contorted into a financial marriage lasting forever.

      • HD says:

        @ texaschick-Thanks. Question-is an oral agreement not binding?

        • texaschick says:

          Oral contracts may or may not be binding depending on the jurisdiction, but regardless there is a higher threshold to prove that an oral agreement existed. In other words, if you have an oral agreement (even in courts that allow this) you must present significant evidence of the oral agreement. This is why they are bringing up a follow-up email from Bethenny that is supposed to confirm this agreement. As I posted initially, I doubt whether her email was detailed enough to provide enough evidence for either a judge or jury to award this guy 10%. There may be enough doubt, however, to make her and her lawyers agree to a modest settlement, though. But there’s no way I think he would get millions of dollars out of this.

    • Codystl says:

      Texas chick – thank you for your comments. Its been about 25 years since I had business law 101. I find it amazing that this schmuck asked for punitive damages. WTF

  43. ihearttalavera says:

    It was mentioned by Q a couple of times during the past few days that people who just read the blogs should really scroll down to the comments and they would be surprised what’s going on with this “hate” blog. I realized that the past few days, I have skipped the blogs went straight to reading the comments.

    Just read the BEA finale blog. I almost died reading Lynn’s hysterical Jill and Bethenny become friends again dream sequence. My gosh, Lynn is funny.

  44. VAgirl says:

    i’m turning in. ’til tomorrow – g’nite!

  45. lillybee says:

    I am watching Top Chef and loving unibrow’s sense of humor.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      Hugh’s uni brow really annoys me- I just don’t get why he wouldn’t pluck that crap. What is it suppose to be, a conversation piece?

      • ihearttalavera says:

        I know! I kept thinking it had to be the camera angle or a shadow. After the third or fourth episode, I realized my eyes were not deceiving me. He’s a good looking guy too. Weird.

  46. boston02127 says:

    Good morning ☼

  47. boston02127 says:

    There’s a story on the news right now about an 8 yr old girl that her mother gives her botox shots in her face. Ugh.

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