I Hate Jill Zarin/ RHNYC/A Masque For Two Faces/ Sonja Morgan

Starring Sonja Morgan in the Opera Comique by Quincy IL

While watching a rerun of “A Masque For Two Faces, “I realized that Lady Sonja Morgan was performing a comedy skit for our enjoyment.   The flash of light that popped into my head appeared when I watched an interview of Jill Zarin.  When Jill said, “I don’t want people to laugh at Sonja,”  the light bulb went off and I knew that Sonja wants people to laugh at Sonja.

That’s right; a reality star was acting for the camera.  Sonja had created an event that would showcase her knowledge of the French Masquerade Balls with a twist.  It was a small event to honor friends from Europe who had come to New York City’s Fashion Week.  It was a last minute affair improvised with the help of Cipriani’s (restaraunt in Manhattan) in their bank vault.   She said she invited 50 guests (Jill claimed that there were only 30.) and she included “The Real Housewives of New York City” because the event took place at the time of filming.  The masques help the guests hide from the camera and as we all know Sonja loves a themed party.

Sonja asked her friend and designer, Chris March, to help with her little project.   Sonja had a French maid’s costume which was very short and very simple.  She asked Chris to turn it into a very short, but elegant lady’s ball gown.  Chris went along with the plans and created a master piece. With this gift for costuming, Chris tranformed the top of the dress, rescued a tired Louis XVI era wig made out of polyester, and embellished a simple masque that Sonja owned into a one of a kind masque with feathers worthy of a 18th Century European Lady.. He told us that she was worried about the length twice. Chris knew what Sonja planned to do. The conversation about the elevator was also a part of the Opera Comique.  The elevator was filled with cleaning products like Formula 409.  Just the kind of supplies a French maid would use.

Many of us loved Sonja Morgan in season three of RHNYC .  She told us about the smell of cat pee which had us pondering for weeks. She jumped on top of Kelly when Kelly was trying to sleep on the yacht. We had a nice view of Sonja’s assets with that jump.  Sonja had a wonderful time on the Hooter’ yacht and she was a great friend to everyone on Scary Island. She posed and tried to put her rear down when Kelly was taking her photos as requested.

 Many of us were  surprised when we watched Sonja prepare for the Marriage Equality March and later toss Alex out of her home for standing up to Sonja’s attacks on Simon. We thought Sonja had changed in season four, but Sonja hadn’t changed.  It’s is quite probable that Sonja has always been Sonja with a quick wit and a wry European sense of humor.  We changed with season four. That’s why some of us didn’t get it right away. We had spent so much time in the darkness of Jill Zarin that we didn’t notice the light comedy of Sonja Morgan.

Jill Zarin did not get what Sonja was trying to do when she arrived for the Masqued Ball.  Jill complained from the beginning of the event to the end.  Jill was the buzz kill of that party. Sonja had two purposes in showing her French derriere to the camera. She wanted to show us that she can fall off a horse and survive with a smile and a bruise bigger than the print of a hand.  She also wanted to be a provocative French maid.  Bravo knew her plan.  They took us to a video of Jill Zarin in a similar costume.  It’s something the French do on stage and in skits.  It is something that Jill did at Kelly Bensimon’s Halloween Party when she arrived in the Marie Antoinette’s attire. Showing the bottom was fun for Jill that day. Jill did remember her undergarments.

Sonja has spent decades visiting Europe and has shared that many of her close friends are members of Europe’s aristocracy and elite. I think Sonja’s French form of humor was lost on many of us for a while.   It’s a combination of sarcasm and improvisation.  She’s acting French for the cameras.

Kelly Bensimon told us from day one that she was acting.  Jill has been saying this all season and in preseason interviews.  Simon creates his webisodes and the family members interact in scenarios that Simon cannot always control as his stars are little boys. Now, I can see Sonja as producer, director and actress is a French Opera Comique designed to make us laugh. 

 Sonja was once described as the straw that stirs the drink and she wanted us to know that she is still that girl despite the adversities that she had endured in the last few years with her divorce and her financial problems.

 So in season four RH NYC, Sonja Morgan decided to throw European Masquerade Ball to entertain us, the audience.  In the Venetian and French Masquerade Balls, the guests were dressed to be unidentifiable.  They would play games trying to guess who the guests were in reality.  The Real Housewives of New York City did a poor job of playing the guessing game because Ramona simply asked Alex if she was Cleopatra and Alex said, “Yes.”  Americans are so direct.

In our history, some Americans thought Masquerade Balls were colonial and immoral.  Men would kiss married women pretending that they did not know who they were kissing and married women would kiss back.  No one would know who was behind the masque so there were no rules. This was the perfect party for Sonja Morgan. She loves breaking the rules that the Luanns and Jills of this planet create.

Sonja also had a high tea for Cindy, but Cindy was too busy with her blackberry and the young man acting as Sonja’s manservant to notice the special pastries and the brewing of the tea performed by her hostess. Downtown Manhattan Cindy had probably never been invited to an English tea so she did not know the rules for guests.  Sonja knew them and gave Cindy a little help for her future filming events for RH NYC. Cindy’s children’s party without helmets and with pony rides for adults did not meet the standards of Ramona Singer who had, in fact, suggested that Cindy be added to the show to replace Bethenny Frankel.

 Sonja trots a horse English style and falls off. She gets up with a smile and does not tell us about her injury. She plans to speak at a Marriage Equality March to highlight her devotion to causes.  She throws a cooking demonstration to tell us that good things are coming in the future with her book. Sonja Morgan planned the season and she is following a script when Cindy doesn’t interfere with her guest lists as she did by telling Kelly not to go to Sonja’s cooking lesson using a toaster oven.

Sonja has made flippant remarks about her life in other ways. She jested about getting arrested for taking a glass of champagne out of the gallery.  On the night of the masque ball in the limousine while pouring expensive champagne, Sonja told  her driver not to go too slow or he will be arrested to share with us that she was actually going too slow when the police pulled her over in the Hamptons.  She knew we discussed her DUI, so she tells us on camera that she went too slow and did not want to endanger herself or another person even though she had a little too much alcohol to be completely within the legal limits.  If she could talk to us about this I am sure she would warn everyone not to drink and drive. Lawyers prefer that clients not admit guilt on national TV so Sonja shared by making fun of herself.

Jill Zarin felt the need to call Alex, a hypocrite, for forgiving Sonja right away after the skirmish that Alex and Sonja had over the Marriage Equality March and Simon.  Many of us on the board failed to understand Alex’s decision to keep that friendship and forgive when Sonja did not offer an apology.  Alex said something in her blog that would help us all lead happier lives if we followed her example, “Sonja and I are friends, and friends don’t bail on the relationship because of one crazy thing that happens.”  Crazy things do happen with friends and true friends make it through those bad times as well as the good times.

Sonja does enjoy being with people.  She came into Ramona’s Pinot Grigio event with a smile and when she saw that Ramona felt stress, she tried to lighten the conversation.  When Jill came back to confront Ramona again, Sonja said, “Hello” to Jill trying to step in front of the firing line, but that did not work. No one can stop Jill Zarin when she is on a mission.

Sonja Morgan is the same Sonja on the yacht sharing with Bethenny Frankel near the Island of St. Johns as she is on a horse or in her kitchen trying to wash asparagus and fit trays into a toaster oven with a little too much aluminum foil.   She is the same woman who laughed at herself in the third season reunion show.  Sonja is a French maid and the lady who pours the English tea into a cup. Sonja is the Russian woman in a fur hat and exercise clothes at the Four Season for lunch with Alex.  When the events don’t go as planned, Sonja will learn to be a switch hitter and maybe she will wear a cheerleader’s short skirt when she goes to bat. Sonja is fun and like Alex, I enjoy spending time with her. She’s patriotic too.  She has the colors of the French flag on.

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385 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin/ RHNYC/A Masque For Two Faces/ Sonja Morgan

  1. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    reposted from teh previous blog
    “Sonja’s costume with the missing panties”

    Lynn i thought it was already established here that she did indeed have on panties
    what was missing was the additional petticoat

    as for Andy not listening during the show
    oh he hears everything alright he just doesnt care what they have to say because really who does LOL
    the show is exactly as it should be a goof on talk shows
    he gets it so do some of the veiwers

  2. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    wow i was first again LOL o well i guess since its still a cont of a former post it doesnt really count as first
    I really hope this is the last season as i cant see it going on much longer with this cast
    Bravo here my plea and Give Simon & Alex thier own light and happy family show and dump the rest of these witches except Ramona
    and bring in a fresh cast

    • quincyil says:

      I hope Sonja can come to the party too. LOL.

      Yesterday, there was a comment that Ron Scheuler(?) said they were looking for new cast mates for RHNYC. Maybe, they have had enough with Jill Zarin and are moving on.

      • Kukulet says:

        If that’s so, I don’t blame them. Can you imagine what Jill is like behind the scenes? She probably drives everyone related to Shed Media and Bravo crazy.

        • FLG says:

          Look at how she goes ballistic over a simple little poll. Calling lawyers and making life unbearable over something so trivial?? Jill should not have been allowed back this season. Lucky for us, she continues to cut off her noses to spite both of her faces.

          • quincyil says:

            Yesterday, on the board, we has a link to an article about Jill placing posts on blogs with links to her site. The blogger came here and left a comment too.

            I knew something was up when I saw those posts, but I left them on the board. Jill can place comments here when ever she wishes. If she came as herself, that would be nice too, but I don’t think that will ever happen.

      • alicia says:

        Good recap Quincy ! Yes, I like Sonja’s easy, breezy style. I think there was more to the marriage equality speech fiasco-evidently several gay groups didn’t want Simon to speak. His speech was confusing to gays, according to my gay friend in upstate newyork.

        • quincyil says:

          I said in a blog a while ago that I thought someone at the organization that ran the march fell on his sword for making this mistake. The organizers decide who speaks, not the guest speakers. I think Alex and Sonja are taking this on their shoulders to protect that nice person who just made a mistake.

      • HeyAll says:

        I hope so. I sometimes cringe at Sonja, such as when she threw Alex out. I do the same with some of the things Ramona says. But at the end of it, I still feel like rooting for them. I’d like them to remain on the show and I often find them funny.

      • Christine says:

        The Page 6 article also said that they were looking for “rich, rich” people like RHBH. Jill will now torture Bawby about not being “rich, rich”.
        Also saw LuAnn on FB talking about giving a commencement address to graduating nurses.
        Jill – “Bawby, I want to speak at Harvard Medical School. My family is just like doctors.”

  3. quincyil says:

    So I think the title “A Masque for Two Faces” refers to the two faces of Jill Zarin. To be called ” two faced” is a huge insult and the producers are calling Jill Zarin “two face.” The entire season has been “set up” to show us the two faces of Jill Zarin. She tells us she wants to be nice in interviews and then they show us how mean she was to the bride and how mean she is when she and Cindy get together to discuss Romana. Luann and Jill laugh about renting a costume that has a sword. Who did they want to use a sword on. Their hostess, Sonja, or guests Alex and Ramona. Who gests about using a sword on people that they socialize with too?

    The pretend jovial scene of Jill and Luann in the costume shop reminded me of the scene with Camille and her friend/hair dresser in the closet before the Malibu dinner from Hell. Jill was planning to destroy the Masque Ball from the time she rented an outfit to the interviews held after the event. Surely, Alex and Sonja can see Jill’s intent.

    Jill Zarin should not be in season four of the RHNYC. She is angry and Jill goes in for the kill when she is angry.

    Having a cold is not a reason to be “a bitch.” I never use that word on the pairie, but I could not think of another word for what Jill is right now and when she was filming. “Mean girl” doesn’t describe the level to which Jill Zarin has sunk this season.

    I watched the scenes at the wedding and watched last Thurs. show carefully so I could write the blog above on Sonja. I also watched Jill Zarin. This is a woman who seems to be on the edge of Hades and she is leaning into the pit of fire.

    I said this to someone recently, “All of the King’s horses and All of the King’s men can not put Jill Zarin back together again.” All of her PR people and the King Bobby Zarin can not fix what Jill Zarin put on film for Bravo to use.

    • FLG says:

      Empress Quincy: I can think of another word to describe Jill. It is a word that I almost never use because it is so vile and very vulgar. I will however make an exception because I find Jill to be vile and very vulgar. Jill is a: (C)onniving (U)nderhanded (N)arcissistic (T)wit. My apologies to all the true ladies and gentlemen who read this post for exposing you to such vulgarity. Hey Jill, how do you like that Buseyism?

  4. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    i thought thats was what it meant as well
    funny both of hers are the same
    evil evil evil

    LOL

  5. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    Speaking of Bawby
    here is one person no one on the blogs has ever said I think is gay
    and the most obvious choice
    actually he looks like he could be the head of the gay Mafia in hus suits and sunglsses LOL
    that whole basement full of playboys what straight man would mention that to a group of adult women
    wouldnt be funny if the whole marriage is a cover and Shrill is really a butch lesbian in training with her good friend LuMann

    LOL

  6. leighmarker says:

    when that show re-runs (again!) I will try and watch it with this info in mind, maybe we have been too harsh on Sonja. Maybe she is smarter than we give her credit for. I am one of the ones that has questioned her personality change this season. As long as you dont make excuses for KOKO Kelly I am game.

    • quincyil says:

      Oh, me too… I wondered what happened. Yes, there was a problem with the organization of the march, but I think both Alex and Sonja are covering for the march organizers and taking the hit to protect someone who fell on his sword for creating the issue of who was allowed to speak.

      I looked at the articles of others and they thought she was drunk and showed her bottom. Jill presented it that way, but I think Sonja can hold her liquor and she was being a French maid for those tall men with masques. Those were her friends and she was being coquettish for their benefit and for ours.

    • quincyil says:

      I think the reason I did not get her humor was I live on the prairie and people don’t jest in this way. I can’t think of the last time, someone joked here. Generally, people are direct and no one would ever act flirtatious or pretend to be European. We don’t think about masqued balls either. Only the children dress in costumes for Halloween here.

      I think the housewives have issues with the events that other housewives are throwing this year. Sonja did not want to go to Quogur. Only Alex enjoyed Governor’s Island.

      The women know that it takes more than one wife to have the cameras roll so Cindy called Jill to go to the dentist so the dentist would be on TV and give Cindy a break on the cost of her teeth. Jill told us that she was working, but took off to help her new friend, Cindy.

      Sonja called Chris March because Bravo loves him and she knew that Bravo would film her skit with Chris.

      Simon knows a lot about what will get filmed. You can see that he learned this over the 4 seasons of filming so he plans things too.

      Where the first season was contrived and the ladies set up events along the way so they would interact, this season is blocked out and the reality stars don’t want to stray from their plans.

      Jill does not want to help Sonja become the new Bethenny. Sonja has the potential to do that because she is funny, self depracating and she knows how to stand her ground. Sonja also is able to take down Jill Zarin if the situation calls for it.

      I love Alex, but I know she gets tongue tied, has hives, and suffers before she takes on Jill Zarin. I don’t think Sonja is afraid. She is actually my new heroine.

      I still would love Cat to toss the coin and move to NYC, but I can’t control Bravo and if I am stuck with the ladies in NYC for the show, I am rooting for Sonja to become the leaders of the team that is anti Jill Zarin.

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        i worked in manhattan for 20 years
        some of what she says IS funny but the whole thing with Simon & Alex wasnt

        she knew just what she was doing
        and it wasnt nice

        • quincyil says:

          I thought she was playing the role of society matron. That would be the Morgan Family way…

          I don’t think Alex thought it was nice, but Sonja jumped into the quick sand and was desperately trying to climb a rope out in that conversation at her painting reveal.

      • FLG says:

        We should send Cat a double headed coin! I’ve seen them at novelty shops.

  7. Kellita says:

    Good blog, and interesting theory. But the jury’s still out for me on Sonja. I find her elitist behavior (treating her house guest like a house boy and needing the “blue and white cup” and “stir the rice milk,” calling herself “Lady Morgan,” and the way she poses like royalty in pics) very off-putting. I didn’t like at all how she treated Alex and Simon or how she handled that conflict. “In one ear and out the other” like she’s above having faults. She lied to viewers on WWHL about that whole parade mess. She may be a fun chick to hang out with, but I’m not liking her character a whole lot.

    • quincyil says:

      A lot of people don’t care for French humor. I really don’t like sarcasm especially when directed at me. However, Sonja directs it at herself and that is the key to French humor. I think the French don’t like the French and they find that very funny.

      • twoile says:

        N.B. The French love Jerry Lewis….gave him some award ….LoH? not sure……slap stick seems 2 b the style of choice. I’m not a fan.

  8. VAgirl says:

    I’ve pretty much been giving Sonja a pass so far this season and don’t think I’ve really commented on her because I’ve been trying to figure it out. I’ve even posted comments on all the women’s Bravo blogs except hers (some have passed through, some have not). I think you are correct in your assessment that Sonja is doing what she is doing all in fun. Idon’t think she is a malicious person and I think she does see herself as kind of peacemaker. Of course, the peace making attempts are not going to work with regard to Jill.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      she was malicious to Alex

      • quincyil says:

        I thought so, but Alex forgave so quickly that it made my head spin. I thought there has to be a reason behind the scenes that they could not share with us.

      • FLG says:

        She and Alex have reached their own workable truce. So I’m not going to put Sonja’s head on a pike over that. Since Alex is willing to move ahead, that’s good enough for me. I trust Alex’s judgement.

        • quincyil says:

          I have come to trust Alex since season two.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          i would have agreed if Sonja didnt repeat the lie over and over months after the filming and to anyone that would listen
          even when the people she told said no you were wrong we have all the proff in black and white from the invite to the event

  9. boston02127 says:

    Good morning.

    I have to agree with Kellita. The jury’s still out with Sonja for me too. If the way she acts is really acting, I still don’t like the showing your butt on TV thing that she did. I thought it was a little overboard. I like her last season and want to continue to like her.

    • quincyil says:

      Yes, overboard for us, but in the Paris burlesque shows, quite the norm.

      She is showing us something baudy. You won’t see that kind of thing here, but I see where she is going with this. This is a recurring theme with Sonja.

      With Chris March, she explains that she just came back from spin class and the weight went to her rear after the liposuction of her pooch. That is the continuation of a discussion with Jill Zarin at a party where Sonja asked if anyone had every removed their pooch.

      Burlesque Theater is not something, I would go to, but I think it can work for Sonja on the show if she learns how to handle things.

      Frankly, seeing her rear is no different from Kelly’ s boob popping out at Ramona’s renewal ceremony. Jill Zarin set the tone of that discussion about her rear at the event and in the interviews. I don’t think Jill should have the last work on this so I wrote that blog.

    • boston02127 says:

      Correction—-“I liked” her last season & want to continue to like her.

  10. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    OMG listen to Sonja

    http://help.runninga.biz/?p=738

    • FLG says:

      Nice find DJ. I enjoyed it. Thank you!

    • boston02127 says:

      She seems normal. As normal as can be expected. Funny (not ha ha funny) what she said about Jill & Ramona. I wish she would of left Ramona out of that comment.

    • linda2148 says:

      Thanks for the link. Sonja did look great!

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        she is very Barbra Striesand and Babs used to be really funny

        • quincyil says:

          I went to google images of Sonja Morgan and there were photos of Barbra Streisand from Funny Girl on a later page.

          That’s where I am getting photos from the blog. They have the photos from the shows fairly quickly.

          • DJ Loops Fruit says:

            isnt that funny
            she really does look like her to me and its not a diss Babs can be quite beautiful

            • babykakes says:

              you’re comparing Sonja to Barbra? please put down the pip for it is affecting your perception. that’s like comparing a ladybug to a cockroach! puleeeze…..

  11. boston02127 says:

    Jill’s tweets~~
    Check out this pink mobile!! Sick! http://twitpic.com/4xylw1
    .
    Luv how she’s using Kelly’s words. Most people with any $ (even me and I’m broke) wouldn’t be caught dead in this limo.
    .
    .
    2nd Tweet~~~
    Went to bed early so up early. Flying to pittsburgh for appearance with @Lisawexler and mom and daddy. Am I luckiest girl alive?
    .
    Jill, You’ve left behind being a girl many yrs ago, you’re a grown woman.

    • quincyil says:

      The Pittsburg airport is very nice. Maybe, Jill will shop while she is there.

    • FLG says:

      That limo goes with that horrid pink dress Jill wore.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill must have been watching reruns of RHNJ – she stole Gia’s party limo! On what planet would a grown ass, important reality star, best selling author be caught dead in a hot pink limo??

      • FLG says:

        best selling author…I know you’re not talking about $2.19 on Amazon Jill.

        • Christine says:

          I often think about that $2.19 thing too and laugh when she says all of her books are sold out at signings. (although she probably charges these poor women full price and extra for an autograph)

    • dsc60 says:

      that’s too funny. just the other day, we saw a hot pink hummer stretch limo parked in front of a church for what i’m assuming was a wedding. both me and my boyfriend commented how it was the first time we ever saw one like it and hoped it was the last!!

    • babykakes says:

      i think that’s Paris Hilton’s limo…matches sher “Bardie pink” Bentley.

  12. error404 says:

    I love Sonja. Gosh, I hope you’re right. It would make her great, but I’m still skeptical. Could you imagine if the whole toaster oven cookbook thing was one big joke, a send up on the other HWs and all the shyte they shill!?! An ex-Morgan doing a book on the type of cooking college students do in their dorm room, complete with a filthy old toaster oven sitting on the granite counter top of a multi-million$ mansion. It’s almost too good to be true if it’s all a farce. And speaking of farces, her life on tv does resemble an Ernst Lubich film from the 30s. How many of us have seen old B&W films with Carole Lumbard or Irene Dunn having lunch with a girlfriend in a fancy restaurant and just said outloud to the tv “What the hell is that ridiculous hat she has on her head!?!?” Maybe Sonja just has a appetite for screwball comedy.

    • quincyil says:

      Sonja has that incredible stove. If she was tying to show off, she would fire that stove up for her cooking lessons. Making a dinner for the Churchill’s in a toaster oven is funny on many levels. It shows the Churchill’s aren’t that stuffy too.

      Think about the distress Jill had over the dinner Bethenny prepared for the ladies when Simon came in Season One. Compare that to sitting in the kitchen with the Churchills trying to close the toaster oven door because of too much aluminum foil. Sonja is a hoot.

      • FLG says:

        Empress Quincy, have you ever tried to CLEAN one of those Vikings? It’s a full day job to just clean the top.

      • alicia says:

        I like to use my toaster oven as well- last night I made baked grouper in it. My large commercial range is seriously hot and it does heat up my kitchen. Since there’s just the three of us, I can
        make many things in it- pizza, chicken, whatever. We don’t eat much red meat but I wouldn’t try to cook ground beef in it, it could probably start a grease fire.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      i love all those old screwball comedys love em to pieces
      theres one that i can never remember the name or cast but it starts out with a woman throwing a mink coat out a window and a whole bunch of whacky stuff and misunderstandings follow
      i think Jean Arthur is the star but dont quote me LOL

      • L.A. Chica says:

        You’re right, it was Jean Arthur and the film was Easy Living. Such a funny movie!

  13. La Dolce Vita says:

    Bawby……. emmmmmm… I’ve often wondered about him too. Why does he have Jill’s back so often. In the car after Ramona’s Pinot party, she laments to him all the evil words R. laid on her. At the wedding when she sees Alex and Simon; she “needs” his support. Oh come on!! I think it’s all a sham; staged events for air time. Jill is trying to portray herself as a wonderful, caring person who is put upon by evil, unsophisticated, lower class type people. Bawby probably goes along to keep peace. He can’t afford to divorce her…she’d take him to the cleaners. At home, I think Jill says jump, and Bawby says how high?

    My take on their relationship: M & M = money and mouth.

    • quincyil says:

      I have a feeling Bobby does not watch the show and he only hears Jill’s side in the saga.

    • boston02127 says:

      I think Bobby comes off as a big stupid lug. If he can’t see what’s going on, it’s his own fault. I can see sticking up for someone you love but at what point do you say enough is enough?

      I use to like him but now I find him just as gross as Jill. They deserve each other.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Remember Bawby wanted Jill to do another season of RHNY so people could see the “real” Jill…..think about it – the show keeps her busy and allows him to do his own thing.

      • Kellita says:

        I think he’s a c0-dependent. He’d never say no to Jill. He has a need to keep her happy. That’s my armchair analysis.

    • cabbie413 says:

      Bawby is just a man (sorry men lol). In all fairness, I don’t think Bobby is some Megamind who is a business tycoon. If anything he has probably been led to believe that Jill is actually helping Zarin fabrics and for that he lets her do her thing. Remember during a talk show interview, Jill took over because Bobby could barely articulate anything about his own business??!! I was embarassed for him! In their little bubble, Bobby probably believes she’s some MEGAstar like she likes to lead on about and that she’s a great businesswoman who is helping his/her brand.

      Jill solidified herself in the marriage by sucking him dry – take that how you want to. lol

      Could you imagine being with her everyday? eww yuck!

      • cabbie413 says:

        oh i wanted to add that, most men who have been married for a long time, just want to be with someone. they are used to being taken care of and having that companionship. I don’t see him ever leaving her, unfortunately Shrill is his comfort zone..same for her.

      • FLG says:

        Pass me the cyanide!

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        LOL sucking him dry LOL

    • anne says:

      Because he is married to her. Your husband should always have your back. Any other discussions should be stated in private.

      Jason has Bethenny’s back and no one questions it. When 3rd parties say something negative he defends. The only time we ever see Jason defending himself is when Bethenny attacks his parents or him, seldom has he ever stood his ground firmly when it came to his own friends.

      Bobby does the same. He defends his wife. If a man doesn’t defend his wife to a 3rd party, one could never have respect from him in any society. Mario defends Ramona all the time regardless if she right or wrong and no one questions it.

      What is good for goose…

  14. Mel says:

    This is a link to reality crackhouse. They disect JIll’s current blog. It is hilarious and it is on point with all of the counter comments. A must read.

    http://www.realitycrackhouse.com/2011/05/bs-bravo-blogs-jill-zarins-super-secret-fan-only-blog-for-episode-6/

  15. butterisafruit says:

    Sonja was dressed as a French Aristocrat, which is fine but she
    tried to caption the French Maid, and it could have worked if she
    was carrying a feather duster and different costume.
    That’s why the humor went over everyone’s head. And of course
    she’s with a bunch of stiffs so they’d rather discuss the condition
    of her bum instead of going for the joke.

    That wasn’t a ball it was a party. A Ball is a dance. I didn’t see
    any of that going on. (maybe it was?)

    This is what bothers me about, her and LuAnn because they once
    passed through upper crust social circles they think they’re from
    the manor born.

    • quincyil says:

      I think Sonja was making light of the idea of a ball. She had a ball for 2,000 once so she knows what that it. Calling it a “Masqued Ball”rather than a “Masquerade Ball” caught my eye. I think Sonja loved the idea of having a cocktail party, but calling it a ball.

      Jill doesn’t get any of this. She influenced our thoughts in the beginning, but I really think Sonja is playing a game with the camera and all of this is meant to be humorous.

      • error404 says:

        and least we forget, Jill’s own stupidity is everyone else’s fault but her’s. In her love blog, Jill explains that she had assumed a “ball” included a huge sit down supper, so told Bawby to skip lunch. Who does that? Anyway, that’s why them being too hungry to enjoy the hors d’ oeuvres was all Sonja’s fault! LOL

        • quincyil says:

          I thought balls have a lot of people and they dance. I know they went on for hours because I read about them in Jane Austen books.

          • butterisafruit says:

            I never went to a ball. What I know is from the Scarlet Pimpernel with Merle Oberon.
            And of course Bette Davis and Henry Fonda. However my parents went to one.
            My dad was part of the decommissioning of the US Yorktown. It was in Boston ..
            because the destroyer was built and commissioned from here. Well the Navy
            which is full of tradition had a ball. It was in one of the huge old stuffy Boston
            hotels. And the invitation read…To You and Your Lady. OH my gosh ,my
            sisters and I were all giggles over that. It was so romantic. We had a blast getting
            Mom all dressed up for it.

            • quincyil says:

              that is so cool…

              nothing like that happens here..

              Maybe, the New Yorker members of IHJZ should organize a ball for us to attend. We can invite Sonja and Alex. Maybe, Ramona will bring a few bottles when she arrives.

              • butterisafruit says:

                Can you imagine the crowd of Bethany fans that would show LOL

                • quincyil says:

                  We won’t rent costumes from that expensive shop. %350 for a rental is too much. We can wear black dresses like Romana and Kelly and create our own masques. We will have a workshop the day before the ball and make them together. Kelly Bensimon will donate feathers to us. I will ask her.

          • error404 says:

            Architecture schools love throwing balls for some reason… tradition. All the ones I’ve been to are big dance parties with creative costumes.

            I did go to Venice once during Carnivale, but that’s more like one huge citywide block party, dancing in the streets, etc..

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        it reminded me of a benny hill sketch
        oh my i forgot my petticoat as she bends over LOL
        and yes she did have panties on riding the crack of that ass LOL

    • La Dolce Vita says:

      ” This is what bothers me about, her and LuAnn because they once
      passed through upper crust social circles they think they’re from
      the manor born.” excellent Butter.

      Especially applies to Lu. She certainly does have a grand opinion of herself.
      Sonja is vainly trying to maintain her former lifestyle; but, apparently with financial difficulty. Wonder if Bravo paid for the Cipriani… that was not an inexpensive evening, even w/o dinner being served. Could have been gratis for the TV exposure, but I don’t think they need exposure.

      • quincyil says:

        Sonja may have a realtionship with the office at Cipriani’s. The spent 20,000 dollars on her first season party.

      • butterisafruit says:

        I know what you mean LaDolceVita. Remembere Edith Wharton’s The Buckaneers. It detailed British wealth at the turn of the century. When one wife left her husband (who was a jerk) she was ostracized, even from her childhood friends.

  16. quincyil says:

    I live on a farm in the prairie so I have to research what Sonja is doing in NYC.

    Sonja is using a shtick. You could see a little of it in DJ’s video of Sonja in the way she moved and interacted with the camera. An example, that I know of this is Jack Benny and his violin. Jack was very generous to his home town, Waukeegan, IL. They names a high school after him. Jack played the violin like a professional, but he pretended to be a skin flint and made squeeky sounds with his strings on his violen. This was Jack’s comedy shtick.

    From Wikipedia:

    A shtick (Yiddish: שטיק) (or schtick) is a comic theme or gimmick. “Shtick” is derived from the Yiddish word shtik (שטיק), meaning “piece”; the closely related German word Stück has the same meaning. The English word “piece” itself is also sometimes used in a similar context. Another variant is “bits of business” or just “bits”; comic mannerisms such as Laurel and Hardy’s fiddling with their ties, or one of them looking into the camera shaking his head while the other one would ramble on. A shtick can also refer to an adopted persona, usually for comedy performances, that is maintained consistently (though not necessarily exclusively) across the performer’s career. In this usage, the recurring personalities adopted by Laurel and Hardy through all of their many comedy films (despite the fact that they often played characters with different names and professions) would qualify as their shtick. A comedian might maintain several different shticks of this sort, particularly if they appear in a variety show that encourages them to develop multiple characters, such as Saturday Night Live.

    In common usage, the word shtick has also come to mean any talent, style, habit, or other eccentricity for which a person is particularly well-known, even if not intended for comedic purposes. For example, a person who is known locally for his or her ability to eat dozens of hot dogs quickly might say that it was their shtick.

    Among Orthodox Jews, “shtick” can also refer to wedding shtick, in which wedding guests entertain the bride and groom through dancing, costumes, juggling, and silliness

    Sonja is not Jewish, but she is into the silliness and costumes. I think she is trying to show us European humor, but she may incorporation a touch of Jewish humor in that mix for good measure.

    • error404 says:

      they all have a shtick. Bethenny tried to tell Jill that the middle class girl from LI shtick was a better sell, but Jill couldn’t listen (does she ever?!). No, she was determined to sell a Upper Eastside Society Matron shtick, even though not one single viewer buys it. If Sonja is trying to channel Jean Harlow from Dinner at 8, Jill fancies herself Billie Burke, and it sooo ain’t working.

      Speaking of old movies, does anyone else think of the Countess de Lage from The Women whenever LuAnn is on screen? The David Schwimmer wine guy is her Buck Winston. LOL

      • Rabble Rouser says:

        When I look at Luann I think of Candy Darling. She as this blend of masculinity and femininity that is unique and surprisingly attractive.

        • FLG says:

          When I think of Countess Squash Blossom High Horse, I think of Mommy Dearest…..
          LuAnn – Joan Crawford
          Victoria – Christina
          Noel – Christopher

        • Dalai Mama says:

          Love the Candy Darling reference. Now when I look at Cindy, I see someone who might have been going for the Patti Smith haircut, but ended up with the Joan Jett.
          Would pay good money to see any of these broads go toe to toe with Patti Smith (or Candy Darling)

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      loved Jack Benny he used to KILL me
      are you sure that Sonja isnt jewish because she really does come across like barbara striesand in here early comedic roles
      maybe its her trying to sound that way

  17. error404 says:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/SonjaMorganOnline

    Does anyone else love how often Sonja films in her bathroom? LOL Even Countless “you’ve never seen me pee on tv” Lulu films inside Sonja’s crapper! I think Sonja’s a fan of Jean Harlow comedies.

  18. kim says:

    Bravo’s New York Housewives are set to be replaced by richer, glossier versions. “Real Housewives of New York” producers are quietly seeking new cast members, and sources say the network is considering replacing all the women. “They want an entirely new cast,” says a source, “to replicate Beverly Hills. They want rich, rich women, like Adrienne Maloof and Camille Grammer, dripping in glamour and $10 million penthouses. And they don’t want to fake it. They are discreetly reaching out to women who fit the bill.” Earlier this year, the first-season finale of “The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills” was the highest rated finale of any in the franchise’s history. A Bravo rep said, “We are always casting for new housewives in every city.” Asked if the network would swap out the entire cast, she said, “We’ve never done it before.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/wholesale_housewives_blitz_PsYvblGL2IUWT0b7DIWwEM#ixzz1MQh9C64t

    • anne says:

      It is the Post and 90% of that tabloid news paper is false. While I would love a much richer cast, I doubt it will happen. Most wealthy people would never be on housewives to expose themselves to potential issues with their husband’s career, their career, or potential IRS litigation issues.

      Most i-Bankers would never do it. Nor would anyone in PE, VC or any MD in financial services. Professionals shouldn’t do it because of the implication to potential lawsuits, so that throughs out most doctors and lawyers.

      A housewife is only negative exposure and not for the society elite of NYC.

  19. quincyil says:

    I don’t know many people from France, but visiting Quebec Province in Canada was great fun and the French Canadians were very nice to us. In the Parliament building there were few visitors and the Parliamentarians saw our small tour group of Americans and invited us to a free lunch in their official dining room. The sat with us at the tables and asked us about our home cities.

    I also got caught in one of the regular anti central government rallies near the hotel in Montreal. They gave me balloons and urged me to shout with this …”Down with Canada…” LOL.. They march was organized by a teacher’s union.

    Great fun…Visit Canada…You will have a wonderful vacation.

    Q

    • error404 says:

      LOL Quincy. If your ever want to meet a British subject, just come on over to New England!

      • quincyil says:

        My ancestors landed in New England in the early 1700s, but they kept moving west to Northern IL.

        I was surprised at how many streets in New England have my maiden name while we were going to Maine from Boston.

    • La Dolce Vita says:

      I don’t find the French as open and friendly as the Italians. My only 1 on 1 contact with a French person was at school in Arezzo, Italy. We were at an internet site & my keyboard was acting up. The manager was working on it, and this French student at the next computer told him to be quiet, she couldn’t think. Very nasty interchange. No one liked her. At a class luncheon no one wanted to sit with her. I have an American friend who went to univeristy and worked in France for many years. He can rant vehemently on the French. I must say I am partial to Italy.

    • FLG says:

      Love me some Canada! Montreal – great food! Moishe’s Steak House, Schwartz’s Deli (their Karnatzel is the best!) St. Catherine’s Street! High Tea in Victoria B.C. Vancouver B.C. Canada is good to their gay citizens! I wish the USA would sell South Florida to Canada!

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        ive never been but Jimmy has he said the food was to die for even thier versions of fast food was awesome
        i think he said celeine dion has a chain of fast food there that makes our fancy resturants look bad

      • error404 says:

        true, but every place has it’s share of nonsense. On one visit, the hotel’s concierge felt the need to warn us that people get beat up on the street for speaking English. LOL man the food was good though.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          omg dod they really i have enough problems with my own native tounge LOL
          w/o trying to speak french

      • FLG says:

        Oh, I forgot….Quebec City at Christmas time…at night….all lit up!

        • quincyil says:

          with ice skating under a moon with music… Our hotel was right next to the rink.

          • FLG says:

            Doesn’t get much better than that, does it?

          • error404 says:

            we skated on the St Lawrence that trip. So fun!

            • quincyil says:

              I have never see a river move so quickly in my life. That shocked me and I have stream, creeks, and the Mississippi. That was one rushing water way. I need to see why that river is so fast. I wrote a post it note and I am going to research this subjec this afternoon.

              I have to go to the barn now.

              • housewifeaddict says:

                It has a lot of tidal influence – I don’t know if that explains why it seemed faster to you. I never noticed that (and lived in Montreal 3 yrs).

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Thanks for posting all the great links, DJ!

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        i do what i can
        i could never write a blog as well as Lynn & Quincy

        • ihearttalavera says:

          I know. They are both such amazing writers. At least you find cool links. I gotta get my butt in gear and start contributing!

          • ihearttalavera says:

            I meant to say…

            I know, neither could I.

            I write these comments then after they post, I realize I forgot entire sentences or thoughts. I’m beginning to wonder if this is how I have conversations also. Crimany!

            • DJ Loops Fruit says:

              LOL its ok i didnt take it that you thought i couldnt but really there is no way
              look at all my typos not to mention i dont even structure a sentence LOL

  20. Bravo wants an entirely new cast of RHONY?
    ***************************************************************************
    Bravo’s New York Housewives are set to be replaced by richer, glossier versions. “Real Housewives of New York” producers are quietly seeking new cast members, and sources say the network is considering replacing all the women. “They want an entirely new cast,” says a source, “to replicate Beverly Hills. They want rich, rich women, like Adrienne Maloof and Camille Grammer, dripping in glamour and $10 million penthouses. And they don’t want to fake it. They are discreetly reaching out to women who fit the bill.” Earlier this year, the first-season finale of “The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills” was the highest rated finale of any in the franchise’s history. A Bravo rep said, “We are always casting for new housewives in every city.” Asked if the network would swap out the entire cast, she said, “We’ve never done it before.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/wholesale_housewives_blitz_PsYvblGL2IUWT0b7DIWwEM#ixzz1MQk8MxWm

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      the thing that bravo doesnt get it isnt how rich they are its the people themselfs
      people were so into b/h because of the camile being a bitch to all of them and the sister vs sister ending
      it didnt matter to anyone i know just how rich they are
      the biggest problem with the current cast is that besides Alex & Simon & Ramona no one is likeable

      and look at who seems to be the most popular at the moment Alex
      the one with the least ammount of money and the one onr richest with Character

      • error404 says:

        Bravo? Isn’t this just another Jill planted story hinting that “poor folk” like Silex are getting the ax. It’s always Groundhog’s Day with Jill, same old story over and over. What’s that Einstein quote? The definition of insanity is expecting a different result with the same formula, or something like that.

        • Hmm…..you make a good point Error. I didn’t think of that. This is similiar to the story that was planted in the New York papers after the premiere of RHONY was postponed. RHOBH was mentioned in those articles also. It may not be a coincidence that this story appears a few days after Simon called Jill out on Twitter for lying. Very interesting!!!

        • Christine says:

          OMHO, if BravoAndy really is p***ed at Jill, he could have planted that story. Fire up the lawyers Jill and find that costume with the sword.

      • Nancy says:

        I wish the article said “we are looking for really rich people
        (like Bethenny Frandel) Blah blah blah
        That would really get Jill and Luman.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Bravo wants an east coast BH – so do I! The current crew has too much baggage and Jill has polarized this franchise into an almost unwatchable middle school mean girl passion play.

      • I agree with you, Jill has destroyed RHONY. I don’t know if it can be saved, even with cast changes.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          This franchise might be saved if they got rid of Jill and Cindy. Honestly, those two episodes without Jill were far more watchable. LuLu had EVERYONE over to her place and they all got along.

          I think KelKel has to go too – she’s just too paranoid.

    • Rabble Rouser says:

      I think even the BH bunch are faking it to some degree.

      The Maloofs are losing all kinds of money on the Kings and the Palms. Dr.Paul and every other plastic/cosmetic surgeon is feeling the recession and are on average at a 30% income loss.

      No one is still sure where Lisa’s DH got his money from, but it’s surely not limitless. Pretty much every restaurant out there is feeling the down turn in the economy.

      Camille, has know officially lost her husband and most of their wealth was in real estate in an upside own market with lots of inventory. Kelsey isn’t making Frasier money anymore and his last sitcom failed.

      Kylies husband- real estate…same woes

      Kim’s an aged out of work actress who’s ex husbands wealth is drying up than a glass of water in the Arabian dessert.

      I can’t imagine anyone with any real money getting themselves involved with this stuff unless they were driven by narcissism. Then we will have another bunch of Jill Zarin’s running around.

    • anne says:

      It is the post…enough said. Tabloid news, which rarely comes to fruition.

  21. WindyCityWondering says:

    Thanks Quincy – Sonja is an enigma to me, so your take on her makes me think!
    Sonja isn’t European – she is from upstate New York. She hasn’t lived the Morgan/European life for decades – she was married for 10 years, mostly spent partying (her exhusband traded her in for a younger “model”, which is his pattern). She was a restaurant “hostess” who used her alluring charms to get famous people to patronize her place of employment and snagged a high profile husband because of it. Sorry but Sonja is a party girl and I just don’t see the culture, worldliness or refinement of high society in her. I do see her stuck in the past, confused in her present and worried about her future.
    Saying all that, I like her anyway. She is fun to watch and is trying to be nice to all the housewives and doing quite well in getting that coveted screen time. She could definately bring the light and humor that left with Bethenny. She isn’t taking sides but IMO, she eventually will speak out on the nonsense that Jill, LuAnn and Kelly are sending Ramona’s way.

    • quincyil says:

      I agree, she is a party girl who is making fun of the European ball and high tea with the flare of a dance hall girl.

      I think she is trying to bring back the franchise from the darkness and anger of Jill Zarin. I hope she is successful.

      • FLG says:

        Sonja’s had a lot of tough breaks this past year or so. Yet, she hasn’t been throwing herself the self pity party we saw Jill throw in the limo this week!

        • quincyil says:

          I agree with you too. She gets up from a fall from a horse with a big bruise, but does not complain. Her friends like Chris March know she is in trouble and they help her.

          I see her landing on her feet. In an article,they said she lands on her feet like a cat. I think that is correct.

    • twoile says:

      @WCW…ITA….couldn’t have said it better….Tx

  22. DJ Loops Fruit says:

    if she just wasnt so mean to Alex and Simon i would be loving her

    • butterisafruit says:

      Amen

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        (((((((((((((((((((butterisafruit )))))))))))))))))))))
        sweetie how are you holding up?
        weve missed you here on the blog !

    • quincyil says:

      Did you see the photo of Sonja giving Simon a kiss in the blog? She only met him last fall as he worked a lot at the hotel and she really only met Alex on Scary Island. They had little contact in the summer. So Sonja’s kiss in that photo must have been taken later and she is being affectionate to him.

      Alex says they are good friends.

      We had have dustups with friends, but true friends work things out like Alex and Sonja. It’s an example of how to behave for all housewives.

      Take a look at the photo. You will see why I put it in the blog.

      • butterisafruit says:

        Well for me it’s not that they made up. What got me is she threw her out of her house. If she did that to her she would do it to someone else. And they too could make up. I have a problem with treating invited guests this way.

        • quincyil says:

          I have never thrown someone out of my house, but New Yorker do it. Jill ordered Bethenny out of her charity event at the end of season 2. Jill has told people to leave other cast mates parties too.

          I think that tarnished Sonja’s star. In the over all scheme, she is way ahead of Luann, Jill, Cindy, and even Ramona.

          • FLG says:

            I’ve only had to throw one person out of one of our parties. He was acting like LuAnn at Todd Rome’s wedding. That was the last time he received an invitation from me and hubs…..

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        they did make up and alex ad simon still like her but its her alwaya acting as if she was right they were wrong regarding the march
        if she would just own up to it being her fault and she was sorry people would be fallin down all around her
        uits the only negative aspect of her i ever saw
        you know when they kept doing the thug in a cocktail dress commercial the show hadnt aired and i thought she of all people would laugh at that line not realizing she was the afforementined thug LOL
        so i innocently twitted to her about it being a hoot and she was not amused LOL
        she just said she didnt even wanna think about that anymore well of course now i can understand why but back then i just scratched my head and moved on

  23. WindyCityWondering says:

    Sonja has the ability to film with any of the housewives. It is interesting to watch her with Jill. Jill is very uncomfortable around her because when she goes into her yenta mode – Sonja goes into her in one ear and out the other mode. Jill instinctively knows that she can not manipulate or recruit Sonja.

  24. housewifeaddict says:

    IMHO – joining the show S3 is tough. Sonja survived and got her apple – but there are many many many other ladies that try out and don’t make it. Some – like Jenn Gilbert, Kim G, and Fernanda almost make it – others like the bride Jenifer end up mainly on the cutting room floor.

    My point is you have to have a “thing” to be added. Phaedra in Atlanta was a great example. She came up with a persona and played it fully, knowing full well it would get our tongues wagging about her. Then she softened a little as the season progressed. IMHO she’s one of the more “savvy” housewives out there in terms of making a splash, but then carving out a decent image that is interesting but not spiteful.

    The easy thing to do is create drama and keep yourself relevant. Alex did it with the ‘message’ and ensured her spot on S4. Lisa Wu refused to do it, and was cut. Kim G did it too – but her nemesis was cut (Danielle) and the others refused to even acknowledge her (only good thing those Jersey girls did last season) so she had to say buh-bye.

    So Sonja’s thing is this slightly off beat and inappropriate sense of humor. What do we remember about this episode besides the epic battle between Jill and Ramona round 4? Sonja’s lumpy old ass.

    I think the Equality March was another of her skits that went awry because Silex actually cared about the event, and she was incapable of grasping that. I don’t think they’re trying to be nice to someone who messed up – I think Alex just likes Sonja and is willing to move on. That’s what friends do – especially if you need these friends to show up to your events or to invite you to parties so that you can stay on a show.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      Lisa wasnt cut she left on her own all that stuff about they tried to get her to do something simply wasnt true
      she was the first h/w to not only follow me on twitter but send me d/ms at least once a week
      they were having some financial setbacks and planned on moving farther then they actually did
      and didnt think they would have time to film another season
      Bravo never gave then the ax in fact they tried a few things to get them to stay
      Lisa is filming a movie for the big screen right now and is in good spirits

  25. OneMoreInBoston says:

    Hi Q-
    Interesting thought provoking blog on Sonja. I totally disagree though.

    IMHO there is not a shred of self awareness in Sonja- she is a desperate cheapskate exhibitionist.

    You could almost feel the unlived in neglect in her townhouse- she’s cooking Tuna melts in her toaster oven because that’s all she can afford. Probably not even Albacore either.

    • butterisafruit says:

      WB OMIB, when you put it this way, I had a vision of Grey Gardens. YIKES.

    • quincyil says:

      Terry Aley had articles on his site about her income. I see them on google, but they have error messages when I link. You can see from the google page that Terry’s article claimed that she has spousal income of $26,000 a month. I wonder if he took those articles down for some reason.

      I think she is a poor as a Church mouse. She wears old clothes even though they are classic designer fashions. Jill thinks she did not throw a great party because she could not afford one.

      I never think about how much money someone has when I look at them at a person. I would rather be with a hard working low income person than spend a moment with Mr. Donald Trump.

      I agree that she is an exhibitionist too. She flaunts her assests. That part of her body got her to the top when that old man married her.

      When women like Sonja, Luann, and Kelly get dumped it has to affect their self esteem. Those old men seem to use them during their best years and then tosss them aside. At least, she’s trying by going on the reality show. I enjoy watching her. I thought Chris March was cool.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        “I see them on google, but they have error messages when I link. ”

        That’s actually pretty interesting…so it appears that they were removed?

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Probably not even albacore either. Hahhahahahahhhaa.

    • error404 says:

      A cheapskate is someone who refuses to spend money they have.

      Someone who buys dark meat tuna because they can’t afford white meat tuna is simple just a person living within their means.

      • OneMoreInBoston says:

        right 26,000 a month in spousal support. She’s scrimping on tuna but throwing parties in the wine vault at Cipranini’s. Oh well, I guess one must have priorities.
        the same priorities that makes someone go out with their ass cheeks bare and then bending over at said par-tay. oopsies!

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      Oh LOL
      maybe she should put that fur hat up for sale on ebay

  26. klmh says:

    Brilliant summation Lynn! I love it.

  27. UnderMyWheels says:

    This is off topic, but apparently in the upcoming season of Top Chef, they are required to use horsemeat! If that’s true, Andy is gonna get fried.
    There is a FB page about it here:
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Top-Chef-Protect-the-Horses/182296598489582?sk=info

    • UnderMyWheels says:

      Apparently it’s a Canadian Top Chef.

    • quincyil says:

      I read the Canadians had this in their Top Chef.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I vacationed in Iceland not so long ago – and apparently horse meat is a delicacy there and in other parts of the world, although it certainly is taboo here in North America. (We didn’t go to any restaurants that served it – they were mainly the high end ones, or tourist traps).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat

      • FLG says:

        HWA – would love to hear about Iceland and your experience there.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          Iceland is like no where else on earth. People are wonderful, the landscape is astonishingly raw and wild, and outside of Reykjavik it is hard to even find places to eat or stay (with the exception of one or two other small cities). It’s definitely a cross between North America (they drive large cars and things are spread out) and Europe.

          • ihearttalavera says:

            I watched a special on an a hotel there made entirely of ice – amazing!

            • housewifeaddict says:

              I think the ICEHOTEL is in northern Sweden (Lapland). I’ve seen that special on TV too – amazing. We were in Iceland in the summer – it was very green and mossy. In places it reminded me of the Lord of the Rings’s Mordor (just raw basalt as far as the eye could see) and yes I know the films were done in New Zealand. But I wonder if Tolkein ever visited Iceland when he was writing the series.

              • ihearttalavera says:

                Oh thanks. I was going to add that I wasn’t 100% sure it was Iceland. My memory for names of people and places is crapola. Anyway, very cool. No pun intended. 😉

          • FLG says:

            Thank you! Sounds like it belongs on my to do list!

            • housewifeaddict says:

              We decided to go while they were offering fairly inexpensive direct flights. It was sort of impulsive – and totally worth it.

        • quincyil says:

          There are weekend packages form NYC and Boston that aren’t expensive. My daughter and friends went a while ago. They loved it. It was so different from other countries.

          • FLG says:

            My Hubs b’day is coming up. I’m going to look into it. It’s already getting too hot here in Florida. Would be nice to go somewhere a little cooler.

      • alicia says:

        We have had several incidents of horses being slaughtered in their pastures for horsemeat. Cubans and south americans enjoy it very much. This is a HUGE issue in the horse world because we have closed down slaughterhouses in the US. This means old , young and sick horses travel all the way to Mexico or Canada to be slaughtered. The US had humane ways to do this but not Mexico- they are very barbariac. We have been overbreeding for years and there are no place for some of these horses to go now that the economy has gone south. Like racehorses…..

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      Andy has nothing to do with Top Chef Canada

  28. housewifeaddict says:

    Is it possible for Bravo to recreate the magic of BH on the east coast.

    I think not …

    The rules of the east coast (NY, Boston, and DC) are much stricter than the west. The east still has a plethora of prep schools, coming out parties, and people who actually believe in social status. I worked in DC and wore a suit and panty hose every day. I moved to Seattle and can wear jeans to the office. Same job. Same profession. People are way more relaxed out west.

    So basically, I think you can find rich, top society folks in LA, San Francisco or maybe even Seattle who will share their lives and not be tossed from their society events by having cameras follow them around.

    Out east no way. The cameras are the problem. In DC no real society women would sign up because of the cameras. Cat’s husband even talked about that explicitly in his interview with the NY times. No one wanted their events ruined by Bravo’s camera crews – since they are real events. Heck – Jill even tried to tell us that Jennifer’s party was ruined by the cameras.

    So I think this franchise can only work in laid back cities – yet most of those cities don’t have enough richy rich types with over the top personalities that are willing to put their lives out there – to pick from.

  29. AZ Girl says:

    Thanks Q for the blog. I see Sonja in a whole new light now.

  30. Delighted says:

    I tend to agree about Sonja’s sense of humor and playing up the vamp..I just wonder how this affects her ex and her daughter. If they have shared custody, I would think her behavior might make him pretty upset..

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Maybe – but just because she talks about having sex all the time doesn’t mean she does it. She hasn’t done any over the top scenes like Tamra in the bathtub.

    • error404 says:

      Well, people can be two faced. I’m sure it’s the exact same behavior that made him fall in love with her in the first place, and we have no idea what his “younger model” is like and what kind of tone she sets in the home for his kid. He also don’t know how the grandpa aged dad is with his kid. It’s easier to judge Sonja because she’s the only one putting it out there. He could be either sinner or saint.

      • Delighted says:

        I really wasn’t judging her..she’s the only one (with exception of Simon) who has a real sense of humor. He’ll, she’s the only one I’d want to have a drink with in that crowd!

        • quincyil says:

          Remember what Sonja said to Kelly at the Scary dinner on St. John’s. Sonja said untrue things were printed in the New York Times. That was an article with her husband’s input at the time that he filed for divorce.

          She said on the yacht that she was happy and suddenly it was all taken away and she did not know why.

          This was the time frame that she created Sonja Productions and signed with Hannibal Productions for the John Travolta movie.

          She was also coming up on ten years of marriage and a lot of famous people break up before that 10 years because of the way divorce laws work.

          All of these reasons are behind the divorce taking so long. Her lawyers’ bills must be astronomical. One of my daughter’s friends pays her lawyer $500 an hour in dealing with the divorce in CT right now. I think they are getting the divorce in CT.

          I would not be able to sleep with that stress, but she is managing.

        • La Dolce Vita says:

          She is a ball of fire and does light up any room she is in.
          Remember how people would say things like, so-in-so always puts a lampshade on his head and does funny things. Invite him! Well, Sonja is that so-in-so here.

          Sonja and Simon both seem like fun people. Simon does have a serious, intellectual side; never see one in Sonja.

          Not being to the manor born, Sonja has reinvented herself selecting tidbits she picked up from her former high life with Morgan, i.e. the tea and masked ball. She has chosen well, thus keeping herself relevant. However, she does come off as a frivolous person.

          Lu on the other hand, did not select well. She comes off as a snob without manners. Her personality is dull. She is all performance; no substance. Have you noticed, she doesn’t seem to have an original thought. Just tags on to the performance of the moment.

          Jill with nothing to select from comes off as a garish, loud mouth without any taste.

          • DJ Loops Fruit says:

            because LuLu is a snob w/o manners
            se doesnt talk with people she talks down to them like she is so high and mighty
            she used to seem to have a semi sensitive side i think Bethenny really hurt her feelings at one time not that she didnt deserve it

    • Nancy says:

      AT least Sonja has the insight to NOT let her daughter be filmed.
      I agree Q, you have made me look at her in a different way. Thank-you becuase I really want to like her. I’ll give her a pass too. Alex is such a lady:)

  31. housewifeaddict says:

    From up above: What’s the deal with Bawbee:

    IMO – Zarin fabrics, Zarin fabrics, Zarin fabrics.

    Bobby doesn’t give a hoot that his wife is the laughing stock of the country. He doesn’t read gawsip columns. All he knows is she’s got a TV show and goes around the country giving speeches and is on a lot of talk shows. And her last name is Zarin and he has a company called Zarin fabrics that got national exposure during S1 of her show. When she cries he comforts her and doesn’t ask questions. My hubs does the same.

    • Nancy says:

      If I acted like Jill my husband would leave me in a heart beat.

    • DJ Loops Fruit says:

      I still think he is the head of the Gay Mafia

      those suits those sunglasses LOL

      • alicia says:

        He was one of those frustrated boys who married the girl WITH THE BIG BOOBS. She was probably the epitome of all of his teenage fantasies.

  32. ihearttalavera says:

    Great blog, Quincy. It took me back to last season when I felt Sonia was a breath of fresh air. I hope you are right! Something needs to save this show. It’s going downhill very quickly without B. Very dark and draining which is exactly the opposite thing I was looking for in a tv program when I first started watching RHW. Plus now that this season of BEA is over, there’s nothing light to balance the darkness.

    • error404 says:

      Well, Shed/Bravo is kinda to blame for the dark tone IMHO. It’s one thing to film Sonja’s silly farce ball, but did they really have to give equal air time to Jill’s constant put downs. The name was wrong, the venue was wrong, the food was wrong, the hostess’s costume was wrong, she even came right out and said the hostess should stop hosting parties. This is the same exact thing that is making RHOC unwatchable. Why do they think viewers want to watch bitter petty women put down their piers? Camille’s Dinner from Hell was off the hook, Bravo even did a special show of extended footage, and I don’t remember Kyle or anyone else complaining about Camille’s house not being nice, the food being bad, Camille wearing the wrong dress, etc… It’s all so stupid.

      And this is really the main reason why people hate newbie Cynthia Barstool IMO. A face like a wet weekend, all she does is complain complain complain, put down all the other women, yet her own story lines are unforgivably dull. In what parallel universe do people want to give up their thursday night to watch someone else go to the dentist? You gotta have some oversized ego to be that boring and think you’re fascinating.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        You nailed it. No one wants to hear that sort of whining. We want to hear insightful snarky observations.

        That’s why people like the good NeNe. When she points things out she does it in a humorous one-liner way – like Bethenny did. “She was wearing that?” with a lifted eyebrow. “Why are the stars getting dressed in the public bathroom?” with her jaw dropping to the ground.

      • Adgirl says:

        Snort!
        I think I have found my new profession. Being filmed at the dentist. It can be pretty entertaining because no matter how doped up I am, I still wince, moan and grab onto the armrests frantically.

        My dentist is super cute. He’s the only gay Indian dentist I have ever met. He drives a pearl essence Mercedes convertible. He is a Housewives fan but he prefers Jersey Shore.

      • quincyil says:

        Why did they fire the old production company? I bet it had something to do with money and comcast. The new company was cheaper, but they were blew their production dat and now they are wearing us down with Jill and Cindy complaining all of the time.

        There are twitter links on this board somewhere from Jill Zarin where she said that Bobby didn’t like her complaining so she would share her complaints with the fans on twitter. I swear that is what she said.

        I know we all talked about this at the time. Can you imagine living with someone like Gloria and Jill? The car is not good enough. The diamond bracelet is not good enought…perhaps a ring too? I have to have hundreds of roses on Valentine’s Day. Bobby, I want a private plane. Bobby, I want you to rent a villa on an island. Bobby, I want…I want…I want… I want.

        It would drive me insane if I was Bobby.

        • Yes, I remember. It was Super Bowl Sunday because she was watching the Super Bowl halftime show and she complained about the sound. I think she complained about some other things too and then she mentioned that Bobby didn’t like to hear her complaining. I believe she had just returned from one of her many vacations but she still managed to find things to complain about. LOL

        • Nancy says:

          I guess her BJ’s are that good!

      • ihearttalavera says:

        “You gotta have some oversized ego to be that boring and think you’re fascinating.”

        Error, I have this exact same thought about 20x a week while I’m watching these shows. Unfortunately I’m the kind of person who starts something and feels the need to see it through to the end. Luckily I found this blog so I have others to commiserate with about all of the nonsense.

        I wish Bravo would just throw me a bone and cancel these shows so I can go on with my life. Sheesh!

        • Adgirl says:

          I know, it’s like that book I started and 150 pages in decided I hated it. I made a commitment.
          The problem is we can’t even skip to the last chapter to see how things work out.

          • ihearttalavera says:

            I do the same thing with books, Adgirl. I have no idea how to stop being this way. Tough to be us, right?

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          thats how i feel about Cindy

  33. Adgirl says:

    It’s raining outside but my evil heart is warming just thinking of Jill & LuAnn fuming over the Page Six article about replacing them.

    I think the story is a plant to remind the cast that they are all replaceable!

    Jill has taken over the show and made it all about her wars. Bravo has lost control of WWHL polls, if she is listed on a poll she must win. If she isn’t listed then they are scolded. I think they are sick of dealing with her.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Bravo has a lot of divas to manage now. They are all replaceable – and it’s good to remind them of that once in a while.

      Jill is unique in that she is the most universally hated housewife of them all. She’s the gift that keeps on giving. But if viewers get sick of her and aren’t tuning in – they’ll go another direction.

      • twoile says:

        @hwa, I 2 have ceased watching all but the BH, the pettyness is just 2 overwhelmingly obnoxious……..I’m able 2 enjoy this blog
        with the actual sense of genuine humor united by insight & IQs higher than double digits:0) Tx Lynn & Q

    • FLG says:

      That article appears just in time for Ally to get home from school and comfort poor Jill. If I read properly, Ally is due home today. Poor thing, I hope she turns the car around and signs up for summer classes.

    • Adgirl says:

      I think the audience is hungry for a comeuppance for Jill & LuAnn. If LuAnn turned on Jill that would the most fabulous show ever.

      • FLG says:

        LuAnn could just heave one of her hubcap sized necklaces at Jill and when they make up, they can go play horse shoes in the back yard, then host a black smithing party to finish paying for Cindy’s new teeth.

      • lillybee says:

        In Lulu’s blog she made a dig at Jill for complaining about Sonja’s party. I think that the friendship has crumbled.

        • DJ Loops Fruit says:

          oh be still my heart say its true oh please pretty please
          now i cant wait for the reunion
          hopefull this one will be in 4 parts LOL

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Last season some blogs/posters were really going on about getting rid of Kelly for being off the hook on Scary Island, LuAnn for being beyond boring and Jill for what she did to Bethenny. Bravo monitors the chatter. SO why not put a suggestion out there about replacing the NY crew and see what viewers are saying now while there is time to hire new housewives for the next season…. As for Jill being stupid enough to plant a story like that – yes she would do it without realizing that viewers aren’t down with her new and improved self.

      • kotagirl29 says:

        If nothing else Bravo has seen how ratings have dropped off and will do just about anything to get viewers. The numbers don’t lie. Compared to Atlanta and Beverly Hills, NY and OC aren’t doing well.

  34. Molly says:

    I do not watch the other housewives. I don’t enjoy ppl who want to try and “be better” than others by $,clothes,looks.. BH blondes look like clones and the look is
    pretty vulgar looking. It is very insulting to many wonderful women. Bravo is exposing everyone to lowlife ways to make money. Roman times!

  35. Suzieq says:

    ??????????????????
    Was there something I was supposed to “get” about this blog???? I’m completely lost……

    • OneMoreInBoston says:

      ??????????????????
      Was there something I was supposed to “get” about your post???? I’m completely lost……

    • Suzieq says:

      Okay….I should have read all the comments first….I get it now. Sometimes u gotta dumb things down for us texans! Lol
      I thought I would never forgive her for the way she treated Alex at the painting party….but, I realized that I had kinda forgotten about it because neither A or S talk or gossip about it after they made up.

  36. Mimisfbay says:

    What a great blog! I have been laughing so hard and enjoying the comments so much. Thanks, Q.

    Sonja does Moliere? Whoda thunk? I love your Sonja redux…she just may be doing the French comedy. French comedy is a problem for Americans since the French can be so, how you say? Irreverent.

    Hmmmm, this may call for a new slant on Jacques? Maybe he thinks the countess is acting? Funny? Wrong, J, lift the mask and the humorless Luann is still there.

    I still like Sonja enough to enjoy her and, thanks to you, I get the whole; show your orange peel bottom. Didn’t she also do that in the scene with the team?

    Merci for the best morning coffee read! I just love this blog!!!!

    • quincyil says:

      We are all going to France someday.

      Here is our destination:Musée de La Mode et du TextileMusée de La Mode et du Textile

      Musée de La Mode et du Textile
      107 Rue de Rivoli, 75001 Paris, France

      We are going to see Kelly Killoren Bensimon’s wedding dress in a museum. The Mode will be the last museum that she visit. We will go to the Louvre and see all of the sightss and on the last day go to Mode. We are calling this research for the blog. Everyone here is welcome.

      • alicia says:

        I may be going to Paris in January to celebrate my friend’s 50 b-day. Remind me and I will try to get a picture.

  37. Adgirl says:

    Quincy, thanks for the Sonja blog. This is the first optimistic blog about this season I’ve read anywhere.
    I can’t say I am entirely in agreement with your assement of Sonja this season. She was really awful about the speeches at the march. Sonja’s narrative that she can be fabulous on a budget loses it’s creditbility when she comes off as desperate and clownish.
    I really like the woman, but she needs to re-examine how she comes off to the audience and to the cast. For someone who preached about the pecking order she seems to ignore that she is suddenly near the bottom with this group.
    Jill starts her wars by mocking and undermining someone. She ripped Sonja’s party and Sonja to shreds. Morocco will be painful.

    • quincyil says:

      We all agree that she was awful in the March and throwing Alex out of he house after starting the discussion was almost comedic too.

      Moving from room to room reminded me of the Keystone Cops.

      The scenes where the BH ladies are outside Camilles and they have to move together to escape the sprinklers reminded me of the Keystone Cops too.

      Anyone remember those Black and White movies?

    • FLG says:

      Empress Quincy, now that you’ve figured out Sonja’s schtick for us and her penchant for props….I’m actually looking forward to Morocco. Can you imagine what Sonja will do with tents and Camels? One hump or two?
      I desperately want to see a camel spit on LuAnn. I’ll buy tickets to witness that!
      The main fear I have is knowing that Countess SBHH is supposed to be in charge of arranging this soiree. LuAnn could serve dung sandwiches and Jill will be blabbing on an on about the wonderful aroma, texture…blah, blah, blah of it all. LuAnn can do no wrong as far as Jill is concerned.

      • quincyil says:

        I know this information. There are only one hump Camels near Marrakesh. I had guessed that they were going there and it was confirmed in a preview.

        Two hump Camels, the Bactrian are in the Gobi Desert located in Northwest China and Southern Mongolia. Now, my husband claims that he has seen two hump camels in the desert mountains where Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan meet. He is a pretty honest guy, so I think we can trust him on this. It makes sense that traders would bring some over to his region.

        I was spit on by a Camel in the zoo ofWitchita, Kansas. I don’t know what he had eaten, but I was covered with a slime with little pieces of black something and had to spend hours with his spit on me in a hot sun, because the Iranians enjoyed seeing me suffer.

        In the preview, a person in a black chadori/burqa (It’s a chadori in Farsi) appears. I think Ramona is under that chadori. This is my soothsayer vibe coming through. The reason I say that is the way the person moves. Who ever it is, surprised the other women.

        In our 4th Season story of RHNYC, we went to Morrocco in several blogs. There is a lot of information about the markets, the food, and the hotels that have been built in the vacation Mecca for Europeans.

        Marrakesh is near the Atlas Mountains and there is desert nearby. It is called the Red City and the buildings are painted a rose color. There is an ancient wall protecting the city from invading armies. There is a market place called the Sooks with tanneries, snake charmers, magicians, pick pockets, and every night it becomes a giant open air restaurant.

        I think the scenery will be wonderful even if Jill Zarin has to complain non stop for whole time.

        • Nancy says:

          We already know about the scene that LuMan tell’s Shrill that they (meaning Ramona and Sonja) are already drunk
          before dinner.

        • FLG says:

          Wow Empress, how is it that we have never met? I refer to myself as a high mileage model, but I lived in Wichita for a while before moving back to Florida. I’ve been to the Sedgwick County Zoo many times. It does get terribly hot there in the summer. I’ll refrain from telling you what my dearly departed mother and I saw there when she came for a visit. It wasn’t pretty, but my Mom took it like a champ. She was one of those “always dressed to the nines” kind of ladies. It was 105 degrees that day. You and I have been in so many of the same places. I wonder if we’d have one of those “you look awfully familiar” experiences if we were to meet!

          • FLG says:

            I hope Countess SBHH doesn’t go all Barbara Hutton/Doris Duke-ey on us. Jacques certainly is no Porfirio Rubirosa. Even for a showmance.

        • FLG says:

          Wonderful and interesting information!

      • DJ Loops Fruit says:

        oh i would pay the Camel to do it LOL

  38. HW Addict says:

    This is a little off subject, but…is anyone else competely creeped out by the physical similarities between Cindy and her brother’s GF?

    • Sammysmom says:

      I think Cindy and her brother look like twins. They even have the same mouth. Do you know if they are? But yes, his GF and Cindy have similar basic features.

    • cabbie413 says:

      yes totally, old discussion

      you know Howie is screwing Cindy right? (jk) someone on twitter said he’s probably the sperm donor

      how odd is it that the twins father and Howie don’t get along..they act like they were lovers or something, because Kevin (the father) reads gay.

      • HW Addict says:

        Sorry, I am new to this blog. I mistook his girlfriend for Cindy every time she appeared on screen and was wondering if anyone else had the same “yuck” reaction.

        • HD says:

          We have said that a lot. Your post just confirms that none of us are crazy. LOL! They look just alike and I think Howie IS THE BABY DADDY! LOL! Kidding! 😉

  39. Sammysmom says:

    Totally off topic.. I have the blues today and came here to get a good laugh and get my mind off of how bummed I feel today fo some reason. Thank you all for being so talented in your posts and Thank you Lynn, for the blog. It made me smile.

  40. I'm in Florida says:

    OT–posted this on Bravo at Jill’s blog..they have posted all the rest–we will see!

    Wow, what a turnaround for you. You have so changed. Australia must have been good, I mean you came back already to show us the new Jill. You called Alex a name that any good Jewish Mother would was your mouth out for, then lied to Ramona…cried to LuMann (ala Bethany) and poor long suffering Bawby, and gossiped all over NYC. What a change. Amazing–wish I had your spin–I guess it is the only way you can live with yourself.

  41. quincyil says:

    I don’t know about other blogs, but I laughed at a lot of the comments here today. We are going to Paris, Iceland, Quebec City, Montreal, New York, and the prairie in Western Illinois where Nancy will play the cello and I will play the piano in my barn while I sing to the horses without shaking like a leaf.

    Not a bad Sunday.

    Q

    • FLG says:

      Now that’s a wonderful progressive dinner!

    • kotagirl29 says:

      Well stop by the Appalachians and pick me up. I can play the jug and my cousin plays the banjo (He really does). I can probably find another so we can have DUELING banjos, Da-na, ner, ner, ner, ner, ner. . .

    • Nancy says:

      Q,
      I’d rather rent a “Show Girl” costume and skate down the prairie doing
      the Cancan.

      • quincyil says:

        We can arrange that!

        • Nancy says:

          I better get in shape!
          Have you seen the Woody Allen movie where he plays the cello in a marching band? He runs ahead with a stool and cello in hand then sit’s and plays a few bars then he’s off again. Then later he throws the cello out of his window.
          It’s very funny.

  42. lillybee says:

    Thank you for today’s blog, Quincy. It was great.

  43. cabbie413 says:

    http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/real_housewives_of_new_york_ci_13.html

    not sure if anyone has seen this and the comments/discussions there

  44. cajpgh says:

    I saw upthread that Jill was coming to Pittsburgh today – what has Pitsburgh done to deserve this??? I searched to see where she was “appearing” and found this article –

    http://www.timesonline.com/entertainment/bravo-star-visits-pittsburgh/article_40d29024-80a8-5431-80b6-614832215d7f.html

    Seriously? She is delusional.

    • boston02127 says:

      In the first three seasons, “I was not coming from a good place,” Zarin said.
      .
      .
      Now she’s trying to cover herself for the first three season.

      After 3 season it pretty much sums up who you are. She’s such a lying a**h*le. I’ve never known anyone who is so contradictory. I hate everything about her.

      • Mimisfbay says:

        Ah, yes, she is so transparent. Somehow she really believes that she can change opinions by talking over people and never hearing a single thing she doesn’t want to hear.

        I bloody hate her!

        • boston02127 says:

          If she’d just come out and say “I watched myself on TV and didn’t like what I saw” “I’m going to try my best to change” Maybe, (big maybe) I’d feel diffrently about her.

          • ihearttalavera says:

            Or even if she just said, “I watched myself. I’m a miserable beeotch who can’t help herself. So I’m just going to start owning it.” I JUST WANT HER TO OWN IT!!! Whew, I feel better now.

      • cabbie413 says:

        I actually love that she keeps saying “she’s changed” or “she didnt come from a good place” (implying that this year she’s different) because what it does, is actually make people focus on her and wonder “oh.. hmm maybe she has changed.. LET ME SEE”

        ..so they watch…

        They watch and realize that she is who she is. She’s a manipulative whiney bitch who complains about everything and everyone around her. She’s miserable to the core and it oozes through her pores. She’s an evil woman who is ROOTED in “a bad place”.

        Her insistence that she’s changed makes us focus on her more and see for ourselves that she hasn’t and never will. She is who she is. Jevil!

        • error404 says:

          exactly. And let’s not forget last season when she went around telling everyone that she is who she is. Now all of a sudden, it’s wrong and unacceptable when Ramoner says she is who she is. Jill tells so many conflicting stories I fully expect her next interview to start: “Goodby, I’m Zarin Jill, star of the wife house of real york new”.

    • Nancy says:

      Notice that she said Bethenny really was her friend? Which is it Jill?

      • Jill has changed her tune AGAIN. It was just a couple a months ago that Jill was claiming that Bethenny was her fake TV friend. Come on Jill, get your story straight. All of this spinning is making me dizzy.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Jill changes her story to suit her audience – she may feel she is still telling the truth but not how other people would do so. Then she gets all victimy and defensive when she is called on her duplicity.

  45. Bloshka says:

    Cute observation about Sonja’s patriotism.

    • quincyil says:

      Thank you. I checked to make sure. Both the USA and France have red, white and blue flags.

      • FLG says:

        My hat is off to you Quincy and I mean this with all sincerity – you know your stuff and really do your homework! Job always well done. You take pride in what you do and it shows!

  46. HeyAll says:

    OT, was “Work of Art” not very successful in the ratings dept? I actually enjoyed it.

  47. Bloshka says:

    Cute blog post with the French comic theater theme. I don’t know a thing about Opéra Comique.

    Uh…. I don’t think Sonja and Alex are friends, even though Alex says they are. I think that, at best, Sonja tolerates Silex.

    • quincyil says:

      I think their friendship had grown since the confrontation over the March. Alex states that they are friends. Perhaps, Sonja will say something about this in the future.

  48. Kukulet says:

    I wish these Jill and some blog writers would stop harping on Jennifer letting Bravo “film her wedding.” Bravo filmed the bride arriving at the church, and some minutes of guests outside the church before and after the ceremony, and a few further shots of guests milling around at the reception. Not the ceremony, not the key moments of the reception. Bravo shot less footage than a professional videographer would have.

    Other than that, Bravo’s cameras were all on Ramona, Alex, and Jill-not the wedding itself.

    • cabbie413 says:

      well, you don’t know that though. To be fair, we only see what they show us, it’s quite possible that they filmed the wedding if indeed Jennifer was being considered as a (future) housewife. Afterall, she could’ve been in the running with Cindy, but for some reason Cindy won that spot.

      They film for 4 months and we only get maybe a full weeks worth of actual footage, spread out over 2-3 months.

      • error404 says:

        call me bitter, but I’ve learn to not trust a word that comes out of Jill Zarin’s mouth. I’ll stop short of saying everything is a lie, as I’m sure certain thinks, like being form LI are true.

        I’ve not seen Bravo, or Jennifer, or anyone who would actually know what they are talking about suggest that Jennifer or Bravo ever entertained the idea of her being a HW.

        What I have seen, is a very bitter and angry Jill Zarin calling the poor woman a liar, and tossing out “And she wants my job!” as part of her insults. “she wants to be a HW” is right up there with “I don’t know whey she hates me. She must be jealous” IMO.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          You are not bitter – Jill is a liar and not to be trusted. Her feet are held to the fire because she hasn’t changed. Interestingly enough – what she says about other people is what she is doing to those people.

      • Kukulet says:

        Sure. But there was no footage of the interior of the church and no footage of the ceremony shown. Not even a tiny little bit. Not even the Housewives sitting in the congregation. I think it’s a safe assumption that Shed Media’s cameras were not allowed access to the interior of the church during the ceremony. Perhaps at the behest of the bride, or perhaps at the behest of the church itself.

    • Nancy says:

      Thank-you for posting that. I totally agree. How can Shrill say that Jennifer was doing an audition to get on RHONY. What I thought was funny about that day was Jill sitting in a corner while filming was going on. She NEVER does that. I think she’s ready to loose it. Alex being there really threw her for a loop.

    • quincyil says:

      I think it’s unfair. I am sure Bravo asked her to allow filming. She has been insulted at the wedding, on Jill’s twitter and by Jill’s blog squad.

    • Suzieq says:

      Maybe I’m just too low class and poor…..but, if someone offered to film my wedding and put us on TV for America to see….I’d say He’ll Yes!!! And all my friends and family would probably be fighting each other to get in front of the camera at the reception! What women doesn’t want everyone to see her on her wedding day?

      • cabbie413 says:

        a bit off topic, but people don’t understand that the media isn’t your friend. Being on tv opens you up to public scrutiny .. and lots of it.. from your personal appearance, to your dating history, to your finances.

        The media isn’t your friend. It’s a beast. So you may want to think about that before any of you wild ladies go trying to get on Girls gone wild 🙂

        • Suzieq says:

          What is the average age of the ppl on this blog? Everybody tries to get on TV….even children at sports games….I watch the Today show and everyday, rain, snow, or sleet, there r ppl outside with signs just trying to get a chance to be on TV for 5 seconds…..everyone wants their 5 minutes of fame. If someone has the chance I don’t think they stop to think about finances or dating history….especially if ur going to get paid. Maybe I would be worried if I had killed someone in the past or something like that coming out….

      • HD says:

        @ Suzieq, I doubt you are low class or poor. 🙂 I can clearly understand why some people want to be on TV. For some, the benefits far outweigh the bad aspects of having your life underneath a microscope. I personally would not want cameras following me around but some people obviously don’t mind and have made great careers out of it.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I think those comments of Jill’s were just completely spiteful. Jill didn’t enjoy the wedding because she was in a sour mood about Alex and Simon being there – and because Alex called her out on her BS. Case closed. It had nothing to do with the Bravo cameras.

      Jennifer allowed the cameras at her wedding. It had nothing to do with her crying.

      Jill harassed Jennifer until she cried. It had nothing to do with the cameras.

      Jill saying awful spiteful things in her blog and on twitter has been making things worse for Jennifer – however Jennifer did tell the viewing public what Jill did to her – so I guess it’s all fair in love and reality tv war.

  49. boston02127 says:

    Does anybody know if Jill’s mother a.k.a Joan River’s scary sister is on twitter?

  50. Nancy says:

    When Jill meet’s new people do you think she even think’s “Um friend or foe?”

    • ihearttalavera says:

      I think the first thing she thinks is what is their social status. After that, what can they do for her. Then she wonders if this person has parties, will they give her full access to the guest list. If not, obviously they are just going to try to set her up. If that’s the case, she wonders if she can hire them for $25 an hour to remove nasty comments off of the Bravo website.

  51. Candace says:

    “Wry European sense of humor”?

    Oh, please. She’s obvious and pushy and crass.

    Junior high sense of humor is more like it.

  52. La Dolce Vita says:

    Did you all read that the scuzy show Jersey Shore idiots have been blocked from filming in certain Florence, Italy venues? No filming in bars drinking. Horray for someone in Florence (mayor maybe, can’t remember). They, along with those NJ idiots give a bad name to Italian/Americans; and also all Americans.

  53. nathania says:

    I do think you are on point that she doesn’t know who she is. She, Kelly, and Luann don’t seem to know why they are. Only Jill in that group has a sense of place, probably because she is so rooted in her family and presumably her religion that she hasn’t lost her identity in her husband’s money. The other three seem to be in some kind of dysphoria because of the status the money they married into gave them, and now that it is gone they don’t quite know themselves, because they based their identity in who they were told they were based on their marriage. They spent those years wearing another identity and now in their forties they don’t have a clue if any of it was real or not. It must be disconcerting. I see Sonya veering wildly back and forth between who she used to be as a Morgan wife, and who she used to be when the first acquired that status, and the wiles she used to employ to get it. She doesn’t seem to have a clue how to fit into the world as the divorced ex-Mrs. Morgan. She, Kelly, and Luann are equally lost.

    • La Dolce Vita says:

      ” Only Jill in that group has a sense of place, probably because she is so rooted in her family and presumably her religion that she hasn’t lost her identity in her husband’s money. ”

      That is the biggest bunch of BULL I have read in a long time.

    • Debbie says:

      “Only Jill in that group has a sense of place, probably because she is so rooted in her family and presumably her religion that she hasn’t lost her identity in her husband’s money.”

      Believe me,Jill is not ‘rooted’ in her religion. She is far from an exemplary Jew. I think the only time she refers to her religion is when she refers to the title of her book. And i know a lot of Jewish Mothers that would never give the advice found in that book. No wonder she called it SECRETS of a Jewish Mother. She and her mom are the only ones that knew and used them. She is an embarrassment.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      ITA that LuAnn, Kelly and Sonja have a similar marriage experience and not doing all that well after it ended. Jill may be replaced as well and that may shape how she acts too. If you marry it you may lose it but if you earn it yourself then you have a different approach to life and relationships.

  54. error404 says:

    I thought this post to Jill’s Bravo blog was pretty funny:

    Submitted by Michelle from P… on May 13, 2011.
    You may want to learn from Alex and Ramona, they both are enjoying great success that they achieved on their own terms. Your not too old to learn , grow and create something of your own making. Not though marriage or inheritance but all by yourself………..you can do it!!

    • boston02127 says:

      Do you think Gloria & hubby have money? Like big money? Besides giving birth to the she devil, I wonder if Gloria worked and what Jill’s father did for a living. How much $ do you think they’re worth?

      • Nancy says:

        Not enough for a personality transplant their “she devil” daughter needs.

      • anne says:

        They have money. Sol had a large company in LI. Gloria was an English professor at one point at some University on LI.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      But she IS too old to dress like 80’s Madonna on WWHL.

  55. boston02127 says:

    Tweeted by Jill—This was tweeted to Ramona first.
    »
    @kimkleinman @ramonasinger those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Share that with your friend@mccordalex. Leave @Jillzarin alone and get a LIFE!
    via Twitter for BlackBerry®
    /
    Jill’s respond~~~Thanks… AgreeRT @kimkleinman
    .
    I wonder what type of people really like Jill? I think many of her followers are pretend & made up by her & Ally & Bobby…or who she pays. What do people see in her? For the life of me, I can’t find a reason to like her.

    • butterisafruit says:

      I think they may be Zarin employees. Who else would bother.

    • cabbie413 says:

      mental patients lol

      • Adgirl says:

        Haha. And conspiracy theory enthusiasts. People who are regular listeners to Coast to Coast. People who saw Elvis at the diner recently.

    • boston02127 says:

      I just read @kimkleinman tweets. She has 24 followers. This was one of her tweets…
      @mccordalex you suck you wana be bitch. You start all the shit that comes to you. God u ruin the rhny. Ughh u make my skin crawl. Gross!
      .
      .
      What-a-nice-girl! Nice friends Jill, bird of a feather….

      • quincyil says:

        Well, Jill is saying the same things so they have a lot in common.

        I am surprised that they are lashing out in their blogs and in twitter.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Leave Jill Zarin alone and get a LIFE? As in, if you catch JZ in a lie, just ignore it and let her get away with it?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Kim Kleinman meet Susan Saunders….pathetic much Jill??

      • Nancy says:

        Is this KK a real person?

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Don’t know – I was just making note of the double initial alias preference that Jill likes to use when she is making mischief.

    • Nancy says:

      I wonder what was behind that? Is Jill still upset over last Thursday’s show?
      Wasn’t it filmed 4-5 months ago?
      Could this be about the Post article?

    • La Dolce Vita says:

      “I wonder what type of people really like Jill?” excellent question Boston

      Other than the fake posters, the rest must be crazy in some fashion like her. Perhaps, they empathize with her…finding fault in every situation and person.

      Like you, I don’t see how any rational person can think Jill is a nice person.

  56. Nancy says:

    Re: The New York Post article today.
    Why isn’t Jill going “Ape Shit Crazy” right now?

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Oh she could be scared that it is true or she could be sitting there like a Cheshire Cat waiting for the other NYHWs to freak out because she KNOWS it isn’t true….

  57. AZ Girl says:

    Perezhilton.com has this:

    http://perezhilton.com/2011-05-14-real-housewives-of-malibu

    I guess Bravo is auditioning for Housewives of Malibu. I thought Andy said no more franchises.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      It didn’t link the casting call to Bravo – other networks are going to be doing real housewife type shows because of Bravo’s success.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Does anybody watch Tosh.O? There was the funniest “remix” of the double rainbow guy. Perez H. was in a pink apartment in West Hollywood with a quadruple rainbow coming out of his butt. Hysterical.

    • Debbie says:

      I dont think it would be a Bravo HW show. They are over saturated with these clowns.

  58. Smompy says:

    I love the way you take an idea and run with it, Quincy, and the way you always try to see things from different angles. Personally, I’ve always felt that Sonja was sort of putting on an act for us, her audience. She seems to be playing a character to some extent. When it comes to a lot of the things she does and says, I think her goal is usually to get us to laugh along with her. Early in her first season when I was trying to figure her out, I remember being curious about the way she phrased certain things. She’d often say something about one of the others which might be taken as a serious insult, but she’d say it in a way that made you think she was just trying to be funny and lighthearted, or in a way that at least made it seem she din’t mean any real harm. From everything I’ve been able to read about Sonja since then, I get the impression that she fancies herself an expert PR person, and her various attention-getting behaviors are probably done for publicity, at least on some level. I imagine she sees this show not only as a source of income but also as a stepping stone toward some future job. Anyhow, I liked Sonja last season, and I still like her.

    BUT….just because I suddenly feel like playing devil’s advocate for a bit:

    I don’t for one minute believe that Sonja and Alex together (nor she or Alex individually) staged that display of divatude at the gay marriage rally or the ensuing donnybrook at Sonja’s house in an effort to spare some march-organizer any embarrassment. Alex was clearly shocked and upset by Sonja’s behavior there. No offense to Alex, but she’s not that good of an actress. That smackdown definitely didn’t appear to have been planned ahead of time, and I think we did see the real Sonja there. Not in her entirety, of course, but we saw one aspect of her personality which she hadn’t shown before. Alex said she was always scheduled to be one of the speakers and that Sonja put the kybosh on that because she wanted all the attention for herself, and that’s exactly what the evidence suggests really happend, so I still believe Alex completely…although we’ve all moved on now so that’s a dead horse.

    Next, after first reiterating the fact that I actually like Sonja, is she really trying to portray herself as a dutiful wife who was tossed aside by her rich, powerful husband who had simply grown tired of her? Because word on the street is that SHE’S the main reason for the dissolution of that marriage. I mean, nobody outside the marriage can say for sure, but I seriously doubt that he simply got tired of looking at her and so he kicked her to the curb. He married her, at least in part, because she was young(er) and sexy and fun, but maybe she had a little too much young, sexy fun while married to him? I doubt Sonja married him for sex, considering that she wasn’t born until after John Morgan had already been married to his first wife for a year. There was a very large age difference, along with the difference in personalities and family backgrounds so it’s not surprising that it didn’t last forever. When you spend your adult life seeking out rich men to shack up with (or marry if you’re lucky) – and Sonja has certainly done this – you really can’t complain when your blatantly mercenary relationships eventually end. It’s an unfortunate but not unexpected consequence when you’re playing that sort of game, I would say.

    Also, I get that Sonja probably keeps throwing these parties in order to keep her name in the headlines so that, God willing, one day she will end up with a paying gig as a party planner or consultant or whatever, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that nobody much (except for Jill, who obviously doesn’t count) is criticizing Sonja for carelessly throwing away money this way, yet Teresa and Juicy Joe were savaged by everyone for spending money they clearly didn’t have. Sonja’s “masquerade ball” happened in October of 2010. Less than a month later she declared bankruptcy and said she was literally millions and millions of dollars in debt. Then in January she threw another big bash, her “Burlesque” themed party. OK, c’mon, how responsible is that?

    Another thing, yeah it’s fine to play a role and try to create a persona for yourself, but if you’re going to claim to make “honesty” part of your persona, then tell the truth about everything, even little things. The tiny town I came from only ever produced one famous person, and he’s not really even that famous. He was just a character actor whose face may be somewhat familiar to people because he had small roles in a lot of old movies. Still, everyone in the town was always very proud of him and bragged about growing up with him. But in every interview this guy gave, he claimed he was from a larger nearby city rather than naming the proud small town where he was raised. That was incredibly hurtful to his old friends and family members. Sonja does this same thing. Doesn’t seem like a big deal, maybe, but why not just be honest about where you came from?

    And in the same “be honest”vein, when did Sonja become a gay icon and crusader for gay and lesbian rights??? I remember her talking about some similar issue last year (similar to this civil rights issue although I can’t recall exactly what it was) and her saying she didn’t feel right publicly endorsing (I’m totally paraphrasing here) such a liberal viewpoint because she is a Republican as are all her friends, and they probably wouldn’t like her to do something like that. It wasn’t a huge deal at the time, but I was taken aback a little then, and now hearing her proclamations of being a fighter for gay and lesbian rights, that scene came back to me again. It’s kind of the same thing with her stories about being so well-connected. Sonja was never a society leader or great philanthropist. She was simply a woman who got an introduction into certain social circles based upon who she was married to at that time. I don’t buy that she was ever “close friends” with any European royalty or anything like that. For one thing, the Morgan family may interact with others who are socially prominent, but they do not do publicity. Ever. They do not talk about other people publicly. They do not want pictures of themselves or their friend splashed all over the New York Times, much less the sleazy tabloids. They live very well, but very, very privately. Sonja may still have a few old friends from that social set, but her social life probably made a 180 degree turn when she separated from Mr. Morgan. She simply isn’t a socialite any more, so I wish she’d stop pretending that she is. Frankly, she doesn’t need to be that in order for people to like her or for her to obtain a job.

    OK, that’s enough bitching about Sonja for today! And despite my complaints, I DO still like her anyway… I swear!

    • ihearttalavera says:

      ITA, Smompy. This is a wonderful commentary. Thanks for sharing. There is nothing wrong with liking someone, yet still being able to see their faults.

    • Adgirl says:

      I like her too. I just wish she’d curb the desperate aging sex kitten in her.

      About the party at Cipriani’s Vault. I could have sworn I heard her say that it was at Cipriani’s Wall Street location and because she has been such a good customer they “gave” her the party. I was under the impression they wrote off the snacks and booze as a promotion. If the party was in the Financial district then the restaurant is probably not busy in the evenings, and the Vault wasn’t being used for any event that day anyway.

      • error404 says:

        We used to live next door. There’s no restaurant, or at least there wasn’t back then. It’s actually the old customs house, so there’s a really huge hall they use as a ball room that they have big parties in. There was often a red carpet out front for charity events, etc… and I could sometimes see celebs on my way home. They also used to do weddings. That’s why Jill started all that “I thought we were going to a grand party” crap.

      • anne says:

        Cipriani Wall Street does have an area called The Vault. It is a private “club” area like the Loft at Cirpriani W. Broadway. You must be a member to get in or a woman.

        This was not “The Vault” on E. Houston.

  59. Christine says:

    OT – I know that I’m 6 days late and $10 short on this one but I had a lightbulb moment about Jill’s Chicago-Oprah trip. She said that she had taken this very ill woman for a pedicure, gotten her a suite, etc. right after Bethenny’s video clip of her home visit to the pregnant woman on bed rest. So I pulled my glasses out of the refrigerator which was where I them left after putting the milk back into my purse, and went back over JZ’s tweets from Chicago. She said that she was meeting “Jamie” and her family for lunch and taking her Mom for a pedicure. Looked over at FB for more – nothing.
    JMHO, but wouldn’t that have been the time for JZ to tell the world about her altruistic leanings? This woman holds back nothing, particularly if it appears that she has done something good. Curious…

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