I Hate Jill Zarin But Kelly Is Really Irritating.. The Real Housewives of New York

I Hate Jill Zarin…  but Kelly is Really Irritating!  The Real Housewives of New York

What is wrong with Kelly Killoren Bensimon?  No, seriously, I want to know!  Jill says that Kelly is absolutely fine and no one should worry about her.  Alex says that Kelly is uncomfortable around certain conversations and tries to put a stop to them even if Kelly’s not involved in the conversation.  Kelly is NOT ok Jill Zarin!  At worst she could be on drugs or have a true mental disability, at the least she is a mean, vile woman.

What makes Kelly think that it is ok to tell Alex what to do?  Just because Kelly is 10-years older than Alex it doesn’t make her smarter than Alex and it certainly doesn’t give Kelly more worldly life experience than Alex.  Kelly Bensimon isn’t qualified to give the advice of “Stop it” to someone staring directly at the sun.  In fact, it is possible that Kelly has been staring directly at the sun and her brain is literally fried.  Kelly wants to tell Alex how she feels, how to behave and what to say.  Why is Alex even entertaining this moron?

The fall out from the Jill / Ramona battle was the shock heard round the Riad in Morocco this week.  Jill cried on Lulu’s shoulder and Ramona cried on Alex’s shoulder.  Luann decides that Ramona needs a tongue lashing because she made Jill cry.  Alex is infuriated that Luann made a snap decision without hearing Ramona’s side and Luann was so self-involved she couldn’t see that Ramona was distraught over her argument with Jill.

Jill’s version of her discussion/argument with Ramona as told to the Brunette’s was a little different than what we watched really happen.  The show opens with Jill forcing tears and being overly dramatic (If Kelly’s looking for some acting, she need look no further than Jill Zarin)  Jill wasn’t crying until the Brunettes all came in but the sorrow didn’t last long, it turned into typical Jill Zarin vulgar language and slamming Ramona for things that didn’t even happen.

Immediately after her argument with Ramona, Jill was calling out for Cindy of all people.  At this point in the filming clearly Jill wanted to solidify that Cindy was on her side and since Ramona actually knew Cindy prior to filming Jill had her work cut out for her.  Jill knew that if she was able to convince Cindy that Ramona was the bad guy she would have another foot soldier on her army.

Luann naturally bought all of Jill’s drama and decides to go in and reprimand Ramona while Kelly comes in to say she’s not taking sides.  Ramona is truly upset but she doesn’t flip out and call Jill vile vulgar names, she just says that Jill wasn’t listening, that’s a fact.  I don’t believe for one minute that Jill cares about Ramona, Ramona is simply someone that Jill can battle with to get more screen time.

The time frame was a bit confusing because suddenly the brunette’s are getting henna tattoos and the blondes are no where to seen.  Lulu says they all decided to pass on the tattoos.  Alex then storms down the stairs and tells Luann she needs to talk to her and we see Ramona and Sonja sneaking around the house.  The pink dress that Ramona was wearing is suddenly gone and she and Sonja are wearing something different.  They tried to make it look like Alex was still intense and upset while Ramona was totally over it and laughing with Sonja.  I’m sure that was just a good editing job as it probably wasn’t even the same day.

If you really watch what Alex did, she may have been a bit loud coming down the stairs but that was just footwear, she calmly told Luann she wanted to talk to her when she was finished getting her tattoo.  Luann doesn’t seem to think that Alex should have been upset with her but the fact is that viewers were upset with her for shoving her big fat nose into everyone’s business.  Jill and Ramona don’t need Luann jumping in to make things worse.  Lulu felt the need to stick her nose in last season with Bethenny and Jill too, this a woman who doesn’t learn from her mistakes.

Alex was fully prepared to wait and speak with Lulu in private later, instead Luann insisted that Alex get into it immediately but she wasn’t able to fully explain how she felt when Kelly chimed in to give her ridiculous opinion of Alex’s behavior.  Kelly was trying to actually get Alex to walk out and walk back in with a different attitude.  I think last season on the reunion when Bethenny told Kelly she really should have been directing her “pee on a stick” scene, Kelly took it a bit too seriously and now thinks she is the director on the show.

I was disappointed that Alex even listened to Kelly at all, why she tried to make any sense of what Kelly was saying was mind boggling.  I just wish Alex would have walked away and not let the brunette bitches pull her back and force her to say her peace at that moment.

Kelly decided she was going to get up from her tattoo and go to deal with Alex, then she complains that her tattoo was messed up.  Who asked her to get up and walk away from the woman giving her a tattoo?  The worst part is that it was a complete waste of time and Alex actually humored her again as Kelly wasn’t listening to anything Alex had to say, she was simply trying to make a fool of her by telling her to “shhhh” and to “close your eyes”.  This is a tactic that the mean girls in Jr. High School use, seriously.  The “popular” mean girls will simply pay a little attention to the unpopular girls but will make them do and say silly things.  The poor unpopular girls will do it simply because they’re getting attention from the popular girls.  Later the popular girls all sit around laughing at what they were able to get the other girls to do.  Kelly’s mentality is that of a Jr. High School girl and this was her attempt at making Alex look badly while getting more screen time, Kelly thinks she’s the popular girl but in fact she’s a bully!   I really wish Alex had just walked away from Kelly Bensimon.  There is absolutely no reason why these two women should have any contact at all.

Kelly told viewers in her interview that Alex came down demanding to talk to Luann “Now!” Kelly repeated “Now” several times when in fact we all watched as Alex said she’d like to talk to Luann “when you’re done” getting the tattoo.  Kelly makes no sense and creates things in her mind that she thinks happened then repeats them like it is reality when in fact Kelly’s mind is in the Twilight Zone.

Did anyone else catch Lulu’s great advice to Cindy as they were preparing to leave?  Cindy mentioned that she was glad she came but she really missed her children.  Luann didn’t miss her kids at all, that was obvious.  I’m sure to have a break from her daughter’s bad teenage behavior was a relief for Lulu but she encouraged Cindy to leave her children more often.  Maybe if Luann was more attentive with her children and stopped leaving them for days every week they wouldn’t be having problems.  Anyone who takes child rearing advice from Luann deLesseps deserves what they get.

Luann has absolutely no storyline, her and her boyfriend are dull, she obviously doesn’t want to put her kids front and center in her life since that wouldn’t be “authentic” because she really doesn’t focus on her kids.  Besides why would Lulu want her kids bad behavior showcased and ruin her “classy” reputation?

Lulu’s boyfriend is boring and says things like, “I love New York and I love Luann”.  Get that guy away from the cameras!  Luann has to jump into other people’s issues just as she did last season, this season she decided she was going to jump in to defend Jill and tell Ramona she was causing trouble.  Lulu wasn’t there, she didn’t hear the discussion and in fact didn’t even know what it was about yet she immediately took Jill’s side.

The ladies did some touristy things while in Morocco on tonight’s episode.  They had dinner at a very popular restaurant and watched belly dancers, danced and had a wonderful time in their new designer gowns.  Ramona insisted that her argument with Jill wouldn’t ruin her evening and there seemed to be no battling at the restaurant.

A few of them toured a palace where Jill annoyingly asked a million questions and Cindy didn’t even understand what they were doing there.  Cindy was a non-entity in this episode, just as she’s been all season.  She was able to create a bit of drama with the hangers and the seat in the van simply to ensure people remembered she was a Housewife.  Cindy told us that she feels sorry for Alex because she can’t articulate, that clearly wasn’t true empathy, Cindy was digging at Alex as another attempt to become relevant.  Cindy tells us it was a real “disasta”!

The dinner was another dramatic moment courtesy of Luann deLesseps, I don’t know how she can insist that everyone was informed of the dinner schedule when clearly Ramona, Sonja and Alex had no idea.  Lulu didn’t say, “I told you what time dinner was scheduled”, she said, “you knew what time dinner was”, yet unless she herself told them, how could she be sure they were informed of the dinner hour?

Alex was 30-minutes late and immediately apologized but the gracious Lulu decided to reprimand Alex and tell her that she should know better but that the kitchen is closed yet she’ll make it work.  The kitchen in closed 30-minutes after the dinner began?  I doubt that.  Luann simply wouldn’t let it go, she insisted that she was going to ruin her own dinner and continue to slap Alex for being late to a dinner she didn’t even know about.

Alex was rudely escorted out of the dinner by Kelly.  This was another incident where Alex should have ignored Kelly like the Brunette’s do.  Ramona and Sonja attempt to come in to dinner where the always gracious hostess basically kicks them out as well.  I loved how Sonja just quietly turns and walks away while Ramona stays to argue the point that she did not have a meal in her room or know what time to arrive at the dinner table.

Sonja tells us that “no one rang the dinner bell” and that if she were in charge she would have ensured that everyone knew what time dinner was to be held.  I believe Sonja.  Luann tries to tell Ramona that she is “there for her” and bringing up the fortune teller again.  Luann wants to get on screen again that Mario is cheating on Ramona, Luann would be the last person anyone would call if they were distraught over a cheating husband.

This episode was the last in Morocco, the ladies prepare to return to their lives in New York, Alex will go home to her beautiful boys and Sonja to her daughter.  Ramona will return to Mario and Avery and Cindy to her twins.  Lulu will return to ignoring her two teenagers and into the arms of her young stud.  Kelly and Jill will return to their lives of Tweeting and bashing their cast mates on the internet.

The news of Sonja’s bankruptcy hit the press while she was in Morocco, next week we’ll see Sonja dealing with that fiasco.

This preview shows the ladies getting together and Jill brings up Sonja’s financial issues, as Sonja explains that she really isn’t clear on the dollar amount Jill tells viewers that she would know exactly where each and ever dollar went, then Jill tries to explain to Sonja  what the dollar amount that the presses have reported.  Apparently Jill Zarin is not only a doctor, but she’s an accountant and an attorney as well.

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-4/videos/delving-into-sonjas-financial-issues

Bravo’s second preview video shows Ramona and Mario in a romantic hotel room with rose pedals strewn about.  These are scenes that should not be shown on television, one of the things I really liked about Housewives is we didn’t have to see the couples in their intimate moments.  I think we were all disgusted watching Teresa Giudice straddle her husband in their hotel room last season and I don’t want to see Mario and Ramona “doing it” either.  

Could this be the result of Ramona’s insecurity about her husband after the fortune teller told her that another woman was thinking of her husband?

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-4/videos/ramonas-mini-massage

Bravo has also posted an “Extra” video of the ladies belly dancing:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-4/videos/belly-time

Good Job to Ramona this week for waiting to post her blog, Jill has been doing this every week, she insists on being the last NY housewife to post her blog on Bravotv.com so that hers is always front and center.  This week Ramona’s is last.  It’s really sad that grown women play these games!  

Real Housewives ratings is strong without Bethenny:

http://www.limelife.com/blog-entry/Real-Housewives-of-New-York-Strong-Without-Bethenny-Frankel/135450.html

These are the facts, The Real Housewives of New York had higher ratings than Bethenny Ever After.  There is no disputing that.  What I think we can dispute is Bethenny’s reaction to the news.  I honestly don’t think she cares much.  I think this is the last season that Bethenny will do of her show anyway and she’s focusing on her Brand, her Skinnygirl cocktails, Cleanse and other products.

Obviously ratings are important for TV shows but Bravo has already picked up one more season of Bethenny’s show, if it does well they may offer her another season, she may or may not accept.  Bethenny earned so much money for her Skinnygirl Cocktails, she has an amazing husband and a beautiful daughter, does anyone really believe she cares at all if her show had a few less viewers than her former show?

I could be wrong but I honestly don’t think that Bethenny cares about her ratings compared to RHONY or any other Bravo show.

Luann appeared on Andy Cohen’s Watch What Happens Live this week after The Real Housewives of New York.  Luann continued to lie and passively aggressively attack her cast mates including Ramona and Alex.  Not one word of what Luann said was worth repeating or discussing.

The poll this week asked which NY Housewife was the weirdest, the results properly identified Kelly with over 40% but I was happy to see Luann taking 2nd place in the poll.

People are really backing off of Jill Zarin this season.  Jill was smart enough to call a truce with Alex and refrain from making any nasty comments about her but Jill hasn’t changed folks, don’t let her fool you!

Until Next Time…

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601 Responses to I Hate Jill Zarin But Kelly Is Really Irritating.. The Real Housewives of New York

  1. AZ Girl says:

    First????

  2. TLM says:

    Reposting since I was at the end of the last blog. I was late in posting anything about this last episode because, quite frankly, I lost interest about 10 minutes in and shut it off. I went to Comcast On-Demand last night just for the hell of it. What a complete waste of time.

    Watching Medicated Kelly try to calm down Crazy Actress Alex while the memory is still burned into my brain of Kelly calling Alex a vampire in kabuki makeup was beyond ridiculous. I kept wondering why Alex stood there listening to her and bargaining with her about closing her eyes, rather than saying, “What’s wrong, lunatic? You gonna call me a vampire again? Aren’t you late for your next dose of lithium?” I’m sick of the fact that no one dares bring up St. John and acts like it never happened. Except for Jill, of course, who will never let it die and has to rehash that she was “thrown out” when her poor judgment stunned 4 women and 1 Bobby.

    But I’ve already spent too much time on this. My impressions are:

    Luann: The Countess mask has fallen off, and she’s just a mean girl in a caftan. Her remarks have been getting bitchier and bitchier. I guess with the Count gone and book sales in the toilet, there’s no reputation left to uphold. Funny there has been not one mention of “Jacques” after her bringing him up every 30 seconds like an egg timer. Perhaps he dumped her, and now the world must suffer her wrath. And I hope Cindy wasn’t listening to her advice on needing to get away from the kids. Cindy,unless you want your kids to climb out of windows and break their legs and upload videos to YouTube with racial slurs, don’t follow Luann’s advice on parenting.

    Ramona & Sonja, or “Sonona”: The Ugly Americans ordering foreigners around and butchering what 5 words they know in French, made even sadder by Sonja constantly recounting her glory days when she had a yacht and danced with the Sultan of Brunai or whatever. I think the Maysles need to move into her decaying townhouse and film the sequel to Grey Gardens – and hey, Sonja can definitely use the money. Ramona is a freaking crazy lunatic, and I don’t blame Mario for running around. I really don’t. I would be running for the hills from that woman. Don’t be fooled by the vow renewal last year; look at where Donn and Vicki are after their tearful ceremony on the beach.

    Alex: Awkward till you drop, boring and desperate. Constantly doing her best Jon Lovitz “ACTING!” job in every scene she can steal a bit more camera time. And still has no fashion sense. WTF is with that hair? She needs to go back to her natural brunette & shorter hair. Saw the wedding photo of her and Simon and it was night and day. Stop trashing your hair with bleach already, and spend the money on good veneers.

    Jill: Let the St. John thing go already. Even with a makeup between her and the Ramonacoaster, you know this isn’t the end of it. What the hell was that purple outfit on the camel? Was that Rerun’s costume from What’s Happening, circa 1975? Oh, just go away.

    Kelly: Glad you are now medicated and functioning, but I have no interest in you or anything you have to say.

    Cindy: Despite what others say, I think she’s the only down to earth one, and I like a lot of the clothes she wears, in contrast to the supposed “fashionistas” whose clothes I wouldn’t take if you gave them to me for free. You’re better off without this bunch.

    • Addicted to Bravo says:

      ITA. Luann is truly a piece of work. I cannot stomach the hypocrisy her pronouncing herself as the standard bearer of what a Hostess should be and then wtching her scathingly berate her “guests” that the kitchen is closed because they are late etc. It’s just appalling and there is no defense of it. The real winner in this episode is Ramona who, while recovering from the Jill convo, was showing her true colors which were to rightfully say Jill wasn’t listening and to not engage in the name calling – now that’s class.

      • TLM says:

        And what possible reason would THREE women have to come to dinner late? Was it fun for them waiting around for dinner until 9:30? I doubt it. And how about Luann checking on them to see if they were ok or misunderstoos the time? What kind of hostess wouldn’t see if they were ok after 15 minutes? And what kind of hostess attacks her guest and says, “If you’re going to start with me, you better finish” when Alex had said NOTHING about their earlier argument?? Wow, really classy, Countess.

    • Error404 says:

      To answer your question form the previous blog, no casino wasn’t one of ramona’s malapropisms, it was one of kiki’s al sharpton brain farts. She tells Alex to “stop causing a casino!” and all of America collective scratches their heads.

    • Songbird80 says:

      Nice grey gardens reference! Haha! Never thought of that…many similarities! Messy house…. Living in the past….going after younger men,…one daughter….famous and distinguished last name…but very likable just like Sonja!

      • quincyil says:

        The connection of Grey Gardens to Jackie Kennedy was fascinating. The sons were wealthy, but they did not help their mother or sister. I thought they were wrong to do that.

        • PJ says:

          But the connection between JK’s relatives and Sonja isn’t really a good one, although I’m sure Kelly would love it if she understood it. These women were living in squalor not just a mansion that needed a little work. Sonja’s house looks pretty good, only Kelly made the negative reference. Even Loo defended Sonja. Not really a fair comparison at all. Sonja will be ok; it’s difficult going through a divorce.

          • TLM says:

            The point of the Grey Gardens reference was more to highlight her living in the past and going on and on and ON and ON about her past life as if it were the present. Her home is not nearly as bad as Grey Gardens, but I could see it going in that direction and Sonja living in her delusional world and cooking out of her toaster oven.

            • PJ says:

              Thanks for clarifying that. I still think Sonja will be ok she just needs time to heal, and finding another rich husband would also help.

        • luvbug0813 says:

          I was captivated by their story after watching the movie and what it dwindled down to in the last chapter of both their lives. I also read of two brothers who lived in brooklyn in a huge mansion and they had this same problem of hoarding except on much more crazy level. They ended up dying and being buried under all their crap. Took weeks to find one of the brothers. He had been dead for god knows how long.

        • twoile says:

          @Q, What sons r u mentioning, I’ve seen the documentary& read a few articles, but no mention of sons at all, clue me in pls.:0)

          • quincyil says:

            Eddie Beale had two brothers. One was a lawyer and lived on Park Ave with a wife that did not like her mother in law. The other was in banking like Edith Beale’s father. Supposedly, they were in charge of her inheritance and the money from the divorce. At one point, the mother claimed her money was stolen, but my impression was it simply ran out. The sons tried to get the mom to sell and they promised a house in Florida. When the mom died, they did get a small cottage for Edie there.

            Both Jackie and her sister knew they were starving, but once the papers showed photos, Jackie asked Onassis to help and the place was fixed up.

      • MAMAZ says:

        TLM –
        LuAnn – I don’t think that the Countess mask has dropped. She has always been a mean girl.

        Ramona – I STRONGLY disagree that Ramona being a lunatic gives Mario a right to run around. Cheaters don’t cheat because of their partners character flaws, they cheat because of their own. If Mario or anyone else is unhappy in a marriage they can end the marriage.

        Sonja – I do get tired of her reference to her past wealthy adventures but I think she is floundering to hang on to her identity. Not uncommon after a divorce. Her home may be slightly messy but Grey Gardens? Nowhere near that level.

        Alex – Of course she’s trying to camera time, lol. That’s the name of the game. If you listen to/read interviews with SNL alum they all talk about the same thing. The need to create characters that will click with the public. If you don’t have a fan base you are gone. It’s the same thing with the Housewives. And I think Alex and Simon need the paycheck. Don’t forget though that Bravo chooses wht to air. There are probably hours of footage of Alex working, parenting, etc but Bravo doesn’t deem it as compelling as Alex standing up for Ramona.

        Jill – I think she borrowed all her clothes this season from Gloria. seriously, don’t they just scream Boca?

        Kelly – Only functions for short periods of time. It doesn’t sound like she was medicated and functioning during this episode.

        • lovemamaearth says:

          Kelly is the one who said Sonja’s house was messy. Other than her elevator being out of order, I don’t think that is based on reality. Nothing else in Kelly’s mind is real. Kelly also said there was something odd about Ramona’s nose. It looks fine to me. Kelly has proven herself to be nuts.

          I like how Ramona didn’t bash Jill. I like how Alex is supportive of friends but she need better boundaries imo. She told Lumannerless that she wanted a word later and then she should have walked out. Kelly started bossing her and she should have walked away from the craziness. She can control the situation a little more than she is.

          Jill is spiraling down emotionally. She needs to see B’s therapist.

        • TLM says:

          Re: Kelly: “Functioning” is relative to her actions on St. John. I figure if she’s not running around with her jelly beans and screaming, “Al Sharpton!” at people, and has a vague idea of what’s going on, she’s functioning. 😉

    • Caitlin says:

      Hmmmmmmm……… Well, first, I need to defend my girl Alex for I feel her heart is in the right place, and that she is the most down to earth of the cast. Yes, she is awkward at times, but it feels authentic to me as I can literally see her feeling her way and trying to listen and learn as she goes and grows. Alex is Present at all times, and that’s a lot more than I can say for most Housewives in any city. Cindy just bores me to tears. I couldn’t care less what she wears, but I am startled and somewhat taken aback by the things she chooses to open her mouth about (e.g., hangers and a saved seat in a vehicle). These sorts of “issues,” imo, are so “Junior High” that they almost jump out and slap one in the face. Ramona is controversial, for sure, but I happen to think her heart is in the right place too. The “star” of this episode, to me, was Luann, a woman whose hostessing ability is akin to my idea of torture. Ugh!!!!!

      • PJ says:

        I agree about Alex. I like Alex and if she did that scene to get screen time and if it gets her back next season good for Alex. If Alex is awkward I would so much rather see Alex being awkward than Kelly being anything at all. As for Countless Loo someone should flush her down the loo because that’s where she belongs.

    • nathania says:

      I would not be surprised if they are not all under cease and desist orders about St. John from Kelly. Practically anything they say about it, they could be sued for I think, because it would fall under diagnosing. At least, on Bravo camera time, they are not going to say anything.

      • PJ says:

        If that’s true then why do Housewives get away with violence against one another without getting sued? Telling what happened, their experiences, would not be diagnosing. Kelly talks endlessly about the rest of her cast mates. How is this different?

      • TLM says:

        There’s no lawsuit for “diagnosing” unless you’re a physician who misdiagnosed someone. This isn’t a lawsuit and no one is on a stand testifying to anything. People are permitted to yell at Kelly and say what happened in St. John. If Kelly’s attorney had sent out letters to anyone, I am certain that would have been leaked to the press by now.

        If Bravo chooses to edit comments out, that’s Bravo’s decision. But it doesn’t even sound like anyone is bringing it up. And if they left in Kyle’s calling her sister an alcoholic and a fistfight at a christening, I think they would leave in anything that gets attention.

      • kbinldo says:

        She could try to argue that they are slandering her, but since Ramona, Sonja, & Alex were present & witnessed her breakdown first-hand, they’re entitled to express their opinions about it. They probably don’t bring it up because doing so would start it happening all over again. When dealing with a crazy person, it’s best to just smile & nod until you can make a clean get-away.

        • Knitty Gritty Girl says:

          I wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t some sort of behind the scenes ban on talking about St Johns. That may have been one of the reasons the season was delayed – to re-edit to delete Kelly’s “break through”. They shut down the RHONY forum on TWOP earlier this week and came back with a note not to talk about ‘Scary Island’. TWOP is owned by Bravo.

    • Cindy down to earth??? oh yes thats why there is a suit against her from a former employee claiming she was let go because she is black

      the only people worth saving from this show are Alex Ramona & Sonja the rest have no reason or excuse to be on tv

      • TLM says:

        We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one, TDQ… IMO Cindy has been confronted with nutty actions by the other women and has just been on an even keel. As to the lawsuit, business people get sued all the time. I don’t see what that has to do with her being down to earth or not. It’s like saying B isn’t down to earth because she was sued by her former manager. It remains to be seen what the outcome will be, but I do think Cindy is pleasant and more normal than the rest of them.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      Disagree about your take on Ramona and Mario. I don’t care how crazy you are no one deserves to be cheated on. It’s wrong, humiliating and something that is NOT the fault of the one being cheated on. Sorry, I just strongly disagree on this one.

      I also disagree about your take on Cindy. How is hangergate and seatgate being down to earth? The woman has so many people working just in her household yet she is a “single mother”. I’m a single mother and I work, but I take care of son on my own along with my mom watching my son for the few hours that school is out and I get home. I find Cindy irrelevant. Part of it can be Bravo editing, yet rumor was that they had to re-edit the show to make it more worthwhile. If that’s the case, how boring is Cindy?

      • TLM says:

        I don’t think I said she deserves to be cheated on, I said I “don’t blame him”, but please don’t take it that literally. I was just saying Ramona is a complete loon in my opinion who can drive people crazy, and was saying that to make a point. Yes, people should divorce before taking up with others, unless they agree to have an open relationship or whatever. I just was trying to be emphatic about how much I can’t stand Ramona. 😉

      • TLM says:

        I actually didn’t think there was “hangergate” or “seatgate.” I saw Cindy just going to sit next to someone and being told to move like it was kids on a schoolbus, and then her wanting to settle into her room and hearing Ramona and Sonja act like high school girls cackling about her. Cindy has bitten her tongue and been subdued pretty much the whole time despite being confronted with these loons every 5 minutes. I would have thrown a drink in Sonja’s face when she sat there talking about a fucking pecking order with that smirk on her face, and Cindy totally backed down. I would have probably called security on Ramona the loon when she practically attacked Cindy’s brother at a kids’ party and came in squwaking WHERE’S MY PINOT GRIGIO??? Cindy actually was very low-key and actually tried to comfort Ramona when she started crying like a 5-year old having a tantrum. She was actually NICE to Ramona when I would have kicked her ass out of there for running after my brother and making a scene in front of my elderly father. And when Ramona went into her glassy-eyed stare and whispering “I don’t know what you’re talking about” and “I’m sorry if that upset you” at the restaurant, I would have lost it; Cindy was calm. I can’t stand that shit Ramona pulls. If she’s not having a total tantrum and meltdown, or doesn’t feel she can win that way, she sits there and gives people the cold freeze with her blank stare, and talks in her irritating monotone whisper, “I don’t know what you mean”…”I’m sorry if that upset you”…etc., in her detached, totally condescending way. We first saw that when she talked with Bethenny and kept saying, “I don’t know…and I don’t know.” Bethenny totally called her on it in her interview, saying, “Ramona did not want to get her white outfit dirty.” I don’t know who can remain friends with anyone like Ramona long-term.

        • chris says:

          This reply is to TLM’s remarks about what she saw regarding Cindy and Hangergate and the seat incident. I tape these shows and watch them later…taping also gives you the opportunity to watch something again (if you can stomach it). Cindy was “gunning” for Sonja from the get-go because of Sonja’s pecking-order sermon. The blondes got to the riad one day AFTER the brunettes. They were in their rooms hanging up their clothes and unpacking when Cindy suddenly appears accusing them of taking her hangers. We know from Big Mouth LuAnn that Ramona requested extra hangers as did Alex, so her accusation was groundless. Cindy heard them “cackling” about her after she had accused them of taking her hangers. Ramona didn’t attack Cindy’s brother…I think the word “attack” is very over-used by the HWs in describing confrontations with other women. However, if we are talking about an attack, I would say that Cindy was the one on the offensive in the hanger incident. I’m not defending Ramona’s actions when she tried to talk to Cindy’s brother, but he could have said that he would be happy to talk to her later. His and Cindy’s reactions, IMO, didn’t help things.
          On the seat incident, Big Mouth LuAnn put her purse on a seat and asked Sonja to save it for her because she and Sonja had planned to talk on the drive. Putting your purse on a seat is a universal signal that you plan to sit there. Sonja politely told this to Cindy who lost her mind over it…even after Big Mouth LuAnn confirmed it to her.
          I agree with you on the pecking order speech…I really expected Cindy to respond better to that, at the time it occurred. Apparently, she let it simmer until she couldn’t take it any longer. She should have handled that earlier…like maybe when it was said to her.

          Surely, Cindy knew what she was getting in to by joining the cast. I thought she was going to be a bit tougher, but she seems to be unable to handle herself. Again, IMO, she is angry at the wrong people…maybe she will have an opportunity at the reunion to speak.

    • ms molly says:

      I had the same thought about Jacques after her endless blushing and gushing, she has not even uttered his name. Would it be too presumptious to say outloud the THE ROMANCE IS OVER!!!!

      • Lu mentioned Jacque a couple times on the trip. I hope he goes public when it’s over to give us the scoop. I wish the guy who Kelly hit would come here and chat too. lol

    • Zoe Bulman says:

      LOL. Do you have a blog? Love what you wrote!

  3. nic says:

    It’s funny, I’m watching S1 of RHNY in syndication. People say, oh she’s changed, that one’s changed, but after watching Thursday night’s S4 show and then Friday’s S1, I can honestly say, no, no one has changed. LuLu was always a bitch that loved Jill and hated Ramona, Jill’s daggers always came out when she felt slighted (I’m specifically referring to the ‘cooking class’ Ramona had and didn’t invite Jill to but invited Luann.) Bethenny was just as driven to get her Brand out there (We even got to see her friend Jake that is on BEA now) Maybe Simon and Alex toned down there snootiness since S1, but I think they were just trying to give the producers what they wanted. And Ramona was always Ramotional. I think the difference is everyone has turned it up several notches. It’s really humorous to compare the two seasons side by side.

  4. WindyCityWondering says:

    Cindy is a boring foil to the madness – she sits there and watches it all with a WTF expression on her horsey face. She won’t commit to anything and she can’t relate to anyone. Bravo didn’t give her any way to show herself as an interesting woman worth watching – so hasta la viesta Cindy – go find Jen Gilbert and compare notes on your turn in the crazy barrel of RHNY.

    • Mary Jane says:

      I can’t stand Cindy. She has no personality at all. She brings nothing to the show, hopefully after this season we never see her again.

    • floridagirl88 says:

      I don’t like Cindy or dislike her, I just don’t get her most of the time. When all the women are talking at the same time, I get the same brain freeze she gets. It’s hard to focus when all those women are shouting over each other. She doesn’t seem to know what she should be doing on the show and what we have seen so far is confusing. I don’t like that she screwed over an employee. Is that what she is really like? She is not raising her children, but leaving it to multiple nannies and chasing away the children’s father. Is that what she is about? The hangers issue made no sense, the same as saving a seat in the van or thinking someone should open the van door for her when all she need do is move her arm and grab the handle. Im not investing time in Cindy’s story line because just doesn’t seem to be anything there.

  5. boston02127 says:

    Jill has given Kelly some balls with their fake friendship. Little does Kelly know that Jill can be & will be her worst enemy. I’ll be waiting with bells on to watch that.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Once Kelly realizes it was Jill that leaked all those stories about her to the press after season 1, she’s going to have a MAJOR breakdown.

      • I agree with you, I think Jill was leaking those stories about Kelly to the media. I think Jill was also leaking stories about LuAnn. Now that Jill is “friends” with Kelly and LuAnn, those gossip leaks to the press have suddenly stopped……Hmm.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          There were a lot of leaks about Ramona last year – but since Jill made a truce with Alex, nothing has been leaked about Silex. Double hmmmmmm

          • quincyil says:

            We should start keeping tract of the site and the references to the chatting cast member to see if it is always Jill Zarin or if others leak.

          • nathania says:

            to me that shows just how sick she is…

            she knows Alex is hallowed ground with the viewers, because she is the person most human and most ‘like’ the normal people. Jill has to have noticed that anyone who attacks Alex gets vilified. Jill really has painted herself into being a neutral character. It’s hysterical when you think about the poll results…do Luann and Kelly not realize that they have been had? They are making jerks of themselves, and getting pummeled relentlessly now by fans, BECAUSE of Jill’s manipulation into doing their dirty work.

            Okay I have to ask this, does anyone have a mother like Luann, Jill, or Kelly? Because I am starting to think a lot of my attachment to this show has to do with my mother’s manipulative ways.

            • YES!!! My mother has borderline personality disorder & has spent a ifetime engaging in vile, viscious, destructive behavior!

              I do believe Jill is a borderline also, although she is far more functional than my mother.

              Jill *has* to have an enemy, notice that? She sees slights that aren’t there & displays a whole host of other borderline behaviors. I believe her problems are a lot deeper than just being a mean girl.
              Luann, on the other hand, is just a f’ing B!tch!!!

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Did anyone actually see the stories that Kelly was referring to about her children? Wasn’t that about the same time as the assault on her exboyfriend court case was going on?

        • PJ says:

          I searched to find one story and couldn’t find anything about Kelly’s children. I think that was all in Kelly’s head and not real.

      • PJ says:

        I’m not sure truth plays a big part in Kellyland.

    • jeepers1941 says:

      Boston, me too, me too, I can’t wait for that one to come down the pike. But I bet BRAVO won’t let it happen, as KOOKOO is truly a mental case and to try and push her over the edge. I think it would put BRAVO in a serious legal battle if she should really go off the deep end. But one never knows what they will come up with next.

      • MAMAZ says:

        I think they are probably all aware of where the leaks come from. It doesn’t matter as long as their alliances hold.
        For example Kelly needed Jill in her war agianst Bethenny. She may have suspected that B wasn’t the source of the leaks but she had nothing to gain from learning the truth.

  6. TLM says:

    Re: the ratings on RHONYC being higher, I think it’s a combo of things. NBC’s noontime airing of the show has exposed it to a whole new audience who probably had never watched Bravo, and I do think those viewers have moved over to Bravo as Bravo had hoped they would. Maybe these viewers are still taken with the newness of the franchise, but I think those of us who have followed from the beginning are fatigued from it. I’m not sure I have an interest in seeing Beverly Hills, Atlanta or NYC again. Miami and DC were canceled. Andy’s comments on the 20/20 special seemed to bear out the earlier news that no new franchises would be added.

    I am looking forward to Bethenny’s 3rd season, but I think after that she should shift into a cooking show and / or talk show. She’s been putting it out there in the press that she wanted a talk show, but now has started saying “cooking show” as well. I am sure she’s been in talks with the Food Network as well as the other 3 main networks for a talk show for the last 6 months. I think her model from here on out is to be a cross between Martha Stewart, Oprah and Rachael Ray. Her timing couldn’t be better with Oprah’s departure and Martha being moved over to Hallmark, I’m assuming from declining ratings. Unlike Rachael Ray and Martha, Bethenny is positioned so that she could have a whole fitness line as well as a cookware line. I could see her selling yoga mats, weights, sneakers, and fitness wear as well as cookware and small appliances like the stick blender she uses a lot, and even a line of natural foods; I can’t see Rachael Ray or Martha doing a yoga video or sneakers. Ray is strictly cooking, and Martha is cooking and housewares.

    I think Bethenny’s brand is in great shape. I am not so sure about the future of Bravo, with the Housewives franchise in decline and such dogs as Platinum Hit and Pregnant in Heels. Is anyone watching Top Chef Masters or whatever the hell they’re calling it? I have been completely confused by all the Top Chef franchise. It used to be a simple show, and now they have complicated it with Masters. It used to be that they brought back winners from prior Top Chef shows, and now there are all these random chefs on there, some of them already well established in the cooking world. I don’t understand the logic and am just not interested anymore.

    I don’t like Rocco DiSpirito at all and won’t be watching his show. I think he’s a smug ass****. If anyone else watched The Restaurant a few years back, I’d like to get their impression of him.

    I would return for Tabatha’s show. I understand they were going to have her “fix” businesses other than salons, and I would definitely watch that. I hope it will air soon.

    • quincyil says:

      I am not into cooking, but when you blog a show, you begin to connect with the cast.

      I like the ide of giving money to charities so the chefs giving up valuable time for the show is a good thing.

      In the Rocco promo, you see Kelly Bensimon at a table. She is going to judge a meal? That should be funny.

      I watch the housewives shows and connect with specific women. I rarely comment on Atlanta or OC and never watch the show a second time. I loved Miami, BH, and NYC. I loved BEA. Mobe Wives are going on me. Drita dissed Jill and Kelly in favor of Bethenny on her twitter so Drita is now my favorite, but i don’t want to have a disagreement with Drita in an alley. I think she will win.

      I listened to Alex say that she did not think Jill Zarin was out to get Ramona when they were going to have the discussion. I think that is true. Jill, however, was only interested in Jill. That is her fatal flaw/Achilles heel. That is ruining her life.

      I really think Jill could benefit from a therapist.

    • Error404 says:

      Bethenny has the highest rated ” solo show” on bravo, so it’s entirely possible for RHNY to still have higher ratings while going downhill. Like how GM aways sells more Chevys than cadillacs. Chevy could take a serious dip in sales and still spin it as ” well, we sell more than cadillac,”

      The spin of s4 RHNY rated higher than s3 is also not apples to aples, as they coma pre ep 9 to ep9. The trips always show higher ratings, that’s why bravo sends them and pays for it all. S4 ep9 is morocco. S3 ep 9 was before they went to st John. They can spin it all they want but until they show that morocco got higher ratings than scary island, its all just hot air.

      • quincyil says:

        Scary Island was a money maker. I doubt Morocco will be the same.

        I liked Morocco. I would go back.

        • TLM says:

          Someone mentioned that Morocco has a tourism push right now, and that’s why it was the location for this trip. I saw some other show – unfortunately I can’t recall which – which also was talking about Morocco. I don’t think it’s an accident. Morocco is trying to get tourists, and so Bravo negotiated a good deal with them. I don’t like being fed the BS that one housewife, whether Luann or Ramona, “arranged” the trip and was paying for it, when Bravo arranged the whole thing and paid for the whole thing. It’s such a fiction and I just bristle at any reference that one of the women is actually “hosting.” Luann couldn’t afford an apartment in the city, and she’s now going to pay for the trips of herself and four other women? Spare me.

      • nic says:

        I’m always suspect of the ‘sources’ in these articles- especially if there is a negative slant towards Bethenny. The quotes scream of Jill and/or her minions. “This is Bethenny’s worst nightmare..” Really? I would think something happening to Bryn or Jason would be B’s WORST nightmare. Not ratings for stupid reality shows.

        • TLM says:

          I agree. It seems lame and possibly is just desperate websites trying to stir up s*** and get hits to their non-stories. I have different Google Alerts set up and invariably there is are these poorly written junk stories on Examiner.com that try to entice people with dumb headlines like “Bethenny’s Worst Nightmare” etc. Then you go there and read that the ratings of NYC have gone up. Who cares?? I’ll tell you what Bethenny’s Worst Nightmare is: being associated in any way with that show anymore.

        • Jill is the “source” of this article. Rob Shuter wrote the original article on Thursday and Jill wanted him to call in to her sister’s radio show. Jill is usually a guest on her sister’s radio show on Fridays but she was on Thursday this week. Rob tried to call in but he couldn’t get through and she ordered him to try again.Jill seems to always leave “fingerprints” in her leaks. Her leaks usually feature her name in the article…..LOL. I think Jill is mad about Bethenny’s appearance on the Tonight Show. She is probably upset because she feels that Bethenny didn’t give her enough credit OR she is upset about Bethenny’s description about their friendship. Bethenny said that they became friends on a TV show and their friendship ended on a TV show. Who knows what set Jill off this time. It is always something.

        • nathania says:

          me too, that is a very odd headline.

          I mean, did anyone seriously think that Bethenny’s ratings would trump RHONYC?

          I mean, it’s a happy show for crying out loud. It’s funny. It’s not the bitchfest that RH franchises are and people want to be entertained. In a sense i think they want to go ‘look at those people how miserable they are, thank god I’m not like that’ and with Bethenny, even though it’s a positive show, there is a lot there to envy, and except for her tendency to be a bit histrionic (understandable given her background) there is little to criticize.

    • Christine says:

      I watched The Restaurant. I didn’t like Rocco at all. I thought he was arrogant and immature. He definitely spent more time trying to hook up with preety women rather than cooking and trying to establish his business. I felt very sorry for the gentleman who was his major investor – didn’t he sue Rocco?

      • nathania says:

        oh my god, i watched that show JUST to loathe Rocco destupido.

        he makes my skin crawl. the whole show was disgusting, the ENTIRE show from start to finish, pissed me off, because I have worked in restaurants. Rocco is just sooooooooooo typical. You know, when your gramma does it, it’s called cooking. When some young male just out of culinary school does it, it’s high freaking art and you are supposed to bow down at their feet. He treated everyone like crap, every thing was a huge major freaking deal, EVERYTHING, his chef was a nightmare/monster…it’s going back a ways, but the whole thing was insane. Chodrow was an extremely shady character but by the end of the show I wanted him to squash Rocco like a bug. And I think Rocco still has yet to get over that experience, you can still kind of see it on his face.

        • quincyil says:

          I am going blog it, but maybe we can persuade Lynn to add her thoughts about Rocco and his guests
          I think this might be fun for Lynn since there will be alot of famous people on the show.

        • TLM says:

          Rocco DiStupido… that’s perfect. I think he and The Countess would be perfect together. Both are losers carried away with themselves who apparently believe their own BS.

        • Intereting, Nat. I hope you blog some more insider info.

      • La Dolce Vita says:

        He behaved the same way on his previous show a few years ago. He opened a restaurant in NYC and ran it into the ground with his antics. I heard the prices where high and he did not use china to plate the food. He is loser chef, a term I use loosely.

      • TLM says:

        THANK YOU!!! I get so sick of people talking about this guy like he’s so cool. He WISHES!!! He’s a loser. He was in a dispute with Chodorow over who owned the restaurant, and it became plainly obvious he did not own it and was basically an employee of Chodorow’s. He spent his time flirting with women in the front of the house while things were going down in flames in the back. I’ll NEVER, EVER forget when he had an argument with Chodorow and promptly went down to the kitchen and hacked up a live crab with such anger it made my stomach turn. Sure, the crab was slated to be cooked either way, but it was obvious Rocco was taking out his anger on it. The only thing I can hope is that it happened so fast the crab didn’t know what hit it. I was just sickened by him and his behavior throughout this show.

        • ms molly says:

          And when he was not acting assey and “oh so important” in the restaraunt, he was speeding off on the moped he rode. In fact, he was so despicable, it took him about 4 years to talk them into allowing him to headline another reality show

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Oh, this is terrible. I never watched The Restaurant so I had no idea that Rocco could be such an ass. I’ve only seen him in quick clips and interviews and I thought he was very attractive. I will give it a chance, but I’m not as excited about his show now after reading all of this!

        • I will be interested in your take of his show. When he does spots on things my hubs doesn’t think he is so bad but he didn’t watch The Restaurant. I, however, get the creepy crawlies and want to throw something at the TV. And I want to be open minded and hope he has matured but, sigh, it is hard to do with some people.

          • ihearttalavera says:

            Ha! It is hard to do with some people. I’m really surprised because I usually consider myself a good judge of character. It’s funny because now when I even see the promos, I’m watching with a very critical eye. I’ll let you know!

    • Sam says:

      I watched every episode of The Restaurant, and read all the subsequent articles about the lawsuit that destroyed it. That’s why I never watch anything Rocco DiSpirito does, to the point where I turn off any show that brings him on as a guest. The guy is a complete jerk, very egotistical, and in The Restaurant he more condescending to his staff than the Countess could ever be. (Since then, though, he’s learned to hold his tongue whenever the cameras are on him, so he’s much slicker than the Countess too.)

      Honestly, I don’t know why Bravo casts people like this. I know that Andy et al. like drama and conflict, but do they have to go so far as to support the truly despicable? I swear, I’m just about done with the entire network.

      • Sam says:

        Instead of saying “That’s why I never watch” I should have said, “From that point on I’ve never watched.” (I sure wish we had the ability to edit posts!)

    • If you had it like this says:

      Miami hasn’t been cancelled. I just read that it’s likely about to be renewed but not necessarily with all the castmates.

    • on Ellen recently Ellen said she was glad they were working together
      im guessing that both Ellen & Oprah are nuturing a talk show for Bethenny
      that should put a bee in Shrills bonnet

      • MAMAZ says:

        In defense of Rocco DiSpirito his behavior is VERY common in the restaurant biz.
        Get to know a server at your favorite high end restaurant. Really get to know him. You’ll get all the secrets from the back of the house. You will be shocked at what you learn about the chef you thought was so lovely when he visited your table or sent you a glass of wine. lol.
        Chefs are mostly brutal to their line cooks and terrible to their servers. Gordon Ramsey has built a television career out of being himself on camera.

        It’s also common for a money man to be behind a restaurant. Many chefs do own their own place, many more work for a restaurantuer. Rocco owned his own restaraunt when he was approached by Chodorow who wanted to open a new place with Roccos name on it. He only worked for Chodorow in the sense that a recording artist works for a label or an author works for a publishing house. He still had has own place while opening the other one. I don’t know if he still does or not.

        Is Rocco an ass? Maybe. I really don’t know.
        I do know he made a huge mistake entering into a business arrangement with Chodorow. He was overextended. He made a bigger mistake allowing it to be filmed and aired on tv.

        • Sam says:

          One of my kids went to culinary school and is now a chef, so I know a lot about what the restaurant business is like. But Rocco, in my opinion, goes far beyond the norm when it comes to playing the part of an arrogant and obnoxious chef. On the show The Restaurant, even his own mother seemed embarrassed by his behavior, and I got the feeling she was a pretty tolerant and indulgent mama.

        • TLM says:

          I think the legend of the moody, rude chef may be fading, and hopefully people who are truly abusive to staff are losing good people and/or getting sued by them.

          I believe this is why people like Tom Colicchio are such successes. They are firm and honest with people, but not abusive. One can be a great chef and still treat employees with respect. That British guy who screamed at people on Hell’s Kitchen, along with Georges Perrier in Philadelphia, should be ashamed of themselves. There is nothing admirable about screaming at employees and calling them names and humiliating them in front of others. It just proves you have no management or people skills.

          In addition to Rocco’s acting like a giant ass, I thought he should be ashamed that he put his elderly mother to work in the kitchen like one of his serfs.

    • Scorpiosue1102 says:

      I have a friend who has a small business and she goes to the food/restaurant shows to show off her products. They also have major chefs and cooks at these shows doing demos. She said that what we saw of Rocco’s personality is how he really is. He’s real slimy and trying to get in all the ladies pants. She also said that Paula Deen had the most people at her demos beating out people like Bobby Flay. Just a few tidbits.

      • MAMAZ says:

        I can believe Rocco is a tool. The food biz has a lot of big egos. But I don’t think it’s accurate to call him a Chodorow employee or to think his on screen behavior is different from what goes on in most kitchens.

        Paula Deen is very personable. But ever since I saw her dogs crapping all over her house on the Kathy Griffin show I’m like ewww about Paula Deen, lol.

        I don’t eat meat so I wouldn’t like most of Bobby Flay’s food.

      • Sam says:

        Slimy! That’s the perfect word for him!
        Thanks for giving us the inside info on how he is at food shows. 🙂

  7. housewifeaddict says:

    Ramona’s blog on Bravo was excellent! I didn’t realize she has a newsletter as well – but I’m going to sign up:

    “She didn’t own any of it”, says Jill about me. I think it’s quite the opposite. Jill never owned anything she has done. You need to read my newsletter to learn more about this. Please sign up at RamonaSinger.com.”

    PS – Jill is looking for people to sign up for her newsletter as well = and gives certainly “lucky” people a call as a “reward”. Yikes. If I needed a reason not to sign up – that would be it. Luckily I’m happy not reading any more of her lies.

    Lynn – I literally would like to know authentically what is real (ly) wrong with Kelly. Is is something jelly beans can fix?

    • quincyil says:

      Jill probably has a list in her secret ne******** listing the things Ramona should own.

      • PJ says:

        But is it really possible that 50 thousand people subscribe to Jills news letter, I just can’t imagine that?

        • nathania says:

          I know that on myspace right before I deleted mine they were saying you could buy friends in bulk. the same is probably true of facebook. it might be packages of friends sold through a business. so I am sure Jill’s money could buy her anything she wanted (except happiness).

        • because most likely it isnt true as im sure that shrill pads the numbers subscibing herself under all sorts of names

  8. WindyCityWondering says:

    Kelly reminds me of Lurch, looming over the others just observing the action, waiting to be of assistance. Then she opens her mouth and removes all doubt that she is sane or mature. Inauthentic? Weird? Stupid? Nice vocabulary for a “journalist” or even a “tastemaker”! How I wished that Alex would have just told her to ZIP IT and continued to talk to LuAnn. I can’t even begin to imagine how Kelly talks to her own children….you are not angry, you are sad, close your eyes, open your eyes, stop causing a casino, eat some jellybeans and leave mommy alone before she calls Santa or has to go run in traffic!

    • MAMAZ says:

      How about when Cindy wanted to call her babies? Kelly challenged everything Cindy had to say.
      C- They look.
      K – What do you mean they look?
      C – At the phone.
      K – How do you know?
      C – They tell me.
      K – Who tells you?

      I thought that was so strange. And I couldn’t believe Cindy, who was so offended that Sonja wouldn’t let her have the seat LuAnn asked to be saved for her, didn’t tell her to STFU!

      • nathania says:

        okay, Cindy has GOT to know by now that Kelly is seriously looney tunes. I still believe Cindy swooped down on Kelly because of her being associated with all that ‘hot, young’ garbage and disassociated herself from Ramona as fast as humanly possible because Ramona is menopausal and not a good demographic for her.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        That conversation totally annoyed me. She was like a three year old asking, “BUT WHY?” I cannot imagine her being on this show and showing the world who she really is has brought anything positive into her life. I want her to GO AWAY. Al Sharpton!!!!!

    • PJ says:

      Alex should have told Kelly to shut up and sit down, but I think maybe she didn’t because Kelly was one wrong word away from scary island territory. Alex lived through scary island and who knows what Kelly is capable of. Kelly is not normal by any stretch of the imagination. But Alex should have let Kelly go into another breakdown/ through to prove what a lunatic Kelly is.

      I think every word Kelly said to Alex was really all about Kelly. People have probably said those things to Kelly over and over all her life, so Kelly projects those things on other people.

      At dinner if I were Alex I would have told Kelly to take her hands off me or she would be wearing the food on the plate Alex was holding. Then I would have told Countless Loo to shut up because I am going to sit down and have dinner and if you don’t like it leave. Alex is just too civilized for these women. Alex actually thinks you can reason with people like Loo and Kelly, there is no reasoning with mean and crazy.

      • nathania says:

        I think that is what Alex was doing. I think she wanted to keep Kelly on camera and talking, and that’s why she didn’t leave when Luann left.

        And Kelly is delusional enough to think that she will ever regain her credibility after last season…the only way that she ever would is to be truthful about what really went on, which she will never do.

        • PJ says:

          I think that every time Kelly speaks she gives us insight into the darkness inside her. In my opinion Kelly has been trying to ‘act’ normal for a long time. Every time Kelly says she is authentic she is trying to convince someone, maybe herself too, that she is normal. I don’t think there is anything authentic about Kelly; I think Kelly’s whole life is an act.

          There is something wrong with Kelly although I have no idea exactly what it is. Kelly has no genuine connection to people and no empathy for others and is unable to read emotions in others. There is nothing original or authentic or sincere about Kelly, or likeable for that matter. What she says to others is probably what people have said to Kelly her entire life in an attempt to get Kelly to be normal. Kelly projects these things onto others as a means of deflecting her own behavior. If she says someone else is weird then she isn’t weird because what she does is normal not weird, in her mind that is.

          As Alex said on her blog she thinks Kelly just can’t help it. You would think that just once Kelly would have a moment of clarity and realize what a sham her life is. But Kelly seems fine with saying one thing and doing another, I don’t know if she even knows the difference. But viewers have watched Kelly for three seasons now and it’s clear that Kelly is weird; nothing Kelly does can change that perception.

          I just wonder how someone like Kelly manages to have custody of two children.

          • Caitlin says:

            Kelly so reminds me of a younger sister of mine who is both bipolar and has psychotic episodes. And bipolar folks are infamous for not staying on their medication as well as never taking any responsibility for their escapades and tirades. Scary Island reminded me of more failed family holidays than I care to recall. And because folks of that ilk will not regularly take the meds that could help them, they eventually drive everyone who wants to care about them away. When I am anywhere near my sister (and I do love her!), I find myself carefully tiptoeing around her in the same way that Alex was being very cautious with Kelly. For what it’s worth, that’s how I make sense of that scene.

            • PJ says:

              I have four friends who have kids that are bipolar and one of my friend’s has a son that married a girl with bipolar disorder. Two of my friends kids have never done anything wrong but have made bad decisions and are pretty unstable so as not to be able to lead normal lives. One friend’s daughter emptied out their bank account. The daughter in law terrorized the family for years, it was the worst case of them all. I don’t know exactly what you have had to live through but I have helped my friends through some terrible experiences with their kids and daughter in law. I watched another friend’s daughter go through a complete breakdown and helped her as much as I could. I give credit to anyone that has had to live with this in their own family.

      • luvbug0813 says:

        I agree, kelly is not normal at alll. And for those that said she is better this season because she is on medication my reaction is huh???????????? Even if she is on medication which I doubt her behavior is still bat shit crazy. I have known people who had some mentall issues and were on medication and could function in life and to me kelly seems like shecant without the guidance of a real sane person. Nothing kelly has said or done so far throughout any of the seasons have made an ounce of sense. And I can’t for the love of me figure out how she functioned in a marriage where her husband didn’t think at least ten times a day “what the hell did I get myself into”. The excuse that after st. John she went to a doctor and got medicated and that it why she is so calm this season don’t hold up. I think the delay in premiering this season had to do with the fact that filming took so long because they had to hand hold and coach kelly through every second the cameras rolled. Kelly didn’t read sane at all medication or not! Nothings will ever convince me otherwise

        • PJ says:

          I agree. I think Kelly or someone has hired professionals to handle her this season to make her look better.

      • Scorpiosue1102 says:

        I think that after Scary Island Alex knew that when dealing with Kelly you need to use kid gloves. I don’t think it was a matter of Alex wanting to extend the scene or whatever. I think Alex was kind of going along with Kelly so that they didn’t have Scarier Island. By Alex kind of going along with Kelly she is actually diffusing Kelly and what could be a “GO TO SLEEP!” moment.

        There is something seriously wrong with Kelly’s circuitry. The synapses are not firing correctly. I do not understand how Bravo can keep Kelly on there show since, even as a viewer, you can tell there is something not right in Kellyland. Santa’s weird, f’d up henna tattoo casino is just…..weird.

        • Scorpiosue1102 says:

          ***”Bravo can keep Kelly on THEIR (not there 🙂 ) show…”

        • luvbug0813 says:

          LMAO. great comment. Made me laugh.

          Yeah kelly is something else to say the least. She showed her crazy front and center in st. John and the only one that was smart enough to get out of dodge was Bethenny.

          Scorpio, you are soooooooooooo right. The circuitry for this woman is all a mess. Its like someone threw water on her and sparks are flying and her movements are discombobulated. The fact those kids are still at home with her is terrifyin and I am hoping that kelly has the same amount of help as that clueless “single mother” cindy has with her girls.

    • If you had it like this says:

      OMG Lurch is so much cooler than Kelly. And infinitely more sane!

  9. Kukulet says:

    Alex said in her blog that there was several hours between the time that she was comforting Ramona and the confrontation with LuAnn over the tattoos. After she comforted Ramona, she was in her room surfing the Web and saw an interview with LuAnn where LuAnn once again criticized Ramona about that stupid designer issue, among other things. What niggled with Alex was that LuAnn was pretending to be gracious towards Ramona at the riad, and “not picking sides” and wanting everyone “to leave the drama behind”, at the same time that LuAnn knew (and Ramona didn’t) that LuAnn had given this interview to stir up crap again.

    That hypocrisy was why Alex went downstairs to tell LuAnn she wanted to speak with her.

    • quincyil says:

      Alex would care about the designer issue. I bet the discussion go on a lot longer than we see so things are said that we don’t have knowledge of. from watching. That is part of the problem with our understanding of their lives.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        ITA – we see snippits of an entire conversation/confrontation. When Alex loses her words we know that it is editing. LuAnn leaves the room when someone is getting the best of her or she can’t answer without outright lies or her bullying isn’t working! Unlike Alex, I don’t waste my time talking with people like Alex or Jill – why bother?

        • quincyil says:

          In Alex’s case, those women can harm her name and her opportunity for work. I don’t care if someone says something about me in my private life, but if they say something about my professional life, I will quietly correct them I want to get promotions and be respected at work. It would be nice to be treated well by everyone, but that is not going to happen.LOL.

          • TLM says:

            Who in the hell would want to hire Alex after seeing her run after people and keep saying, “Excuse me! Excuse me!” like some creep, and then be cuckolded into someone shushing her and telling her to close her eyes??? She has zero authority or respect. I don’t know how she did it, but somehow Alex has managed to look both like a bully and a pushover. I wouldn’t hire someone like that if you paid me to.

            • quincyil says:

              I think the conflict if for the show. I really like the way Alex writes and she know the fashion industry. I don’t have a job for her on the prairie, but I think she is smart and hardworking. Well, I bet she would be ok in managing the stables. She could color coordinate the saddle blankets and help me shovel shit daily. I really could use the help.

              • MAMAZ says:

                I agree the conflict is for the show but Alex really doesn’t come off looking very good. She appears flustered and ineffectual.
                She is a wonderful writer and a good friend. I like Alex, I’d like to see her play to her strengths instead of trying to compete with the other Housewives in their arena.

                • quincyil says:

                  I think the hives are real and she gets flustered when attacked. I know my best one liners come to me while driving a car on the way home. LOL. These women need writers. We should submit lines to them for their use in the show. Let me write the Kelly Bensimons Strip. I will have her dress like her comments about clothes. She will be in a Fransciscan sister’s robe with a rope belt and simple flat sandals. Her hair will be in a tight braid on her head like the Amish. We will definitelly cover her breasts and the lower part of her torso. She is 43 now.

                  • nathania says:

                    you are right about that. Most people long to be Luann, who can cut you in half with her tongue, and never loses her cool (because she’s an android). But in the end most people can identify a whole lot more wtih Alex, and thinking up the witty replies after the fact, because like Alex, we are human and our human emotions get in the way. I read recently that sociopaths can actually foil lie detector tests sometimes because their reactions are so minimal and their heart rates lower than the average populations. Essentially, they don’t react emotionally the way a normal person does. I would love to watch Lou ann take a lie detector test. I bet she could say she was Peggy Sue a zebra hunter from Cancun or whatever and pass with flying colors.

                  • Sonjafan says:

                    I love Alex, and I love that she sticks up for a friend, even though it is difficult for her (hives) – to me that is a true friend and I think certain things bother her very much. She has a wonderful sense of right and wrong. The issue with Lumann is much deeper than the Ramona attacks. I give her Alex a tremendous amount of credit for speaking out. I am with you Q I always think of the best retorts in my car or after the fact – LOL. With regard to Alex’s fashion sense – I don’t like everything she wears, but she is edgy and does give up and coming designers an opportunity. I wish she had told Kelly to go eat jelly beans and a few other choice words. I think they all have to tread carefully around Kelly since SI and I believe it has something to do with contracts/Bravo. But as we can see Kelly is still OFF big time. By the way I would hire Alex in a minute and be honored to have her as a friend.

            • Mookies1mom says:

              I think Alex was placating Kelly during that whole scene. Just like you would a child. She didn’t want a repeat of Kelly in St. John’s and to me it seemed that by doing what Kelly said to Alex she prevented Kelly from going off the deep end even further. JMHO

            • Thankfully most people dont veiw Alex as you do
              she has in this season alone become the most popular woman on the show since Bethenny left

            • chris says:

              I think a touch of humanity is quite rare these days and I would find it an infinitely more desirable trait in an employee than one who would treat other people like trash. Alex’s only flaw that I see is she allows her emotions to get the best of her, which is something Luann doesn’t have to worry about. I actually have more respect for Alex this year than I have in years past. I was upset that she went along with what idiot Kelly told her to do, but maybe that was the best tactic at the time…she had witnessed the implosion at St. John’s and knew how insane this person can get. I remember Bethenny and the others present on the island said Bravo only aired a small part of what really happened and Kelly WAS escorted home by one of their producers.

              • chris says:

                My post was in reply to TLM also…I didn’t even see what anyone else had written until this posted…looks like a lot of us agree though.

    • that actually makes the most sense

  10. housewifeaddict says:

    A little preview for tomorrow and Donn’s reaction to Vickie. (Yes – OC isn’t over yet – yawn)

  11. housewifeaddict says:

    Article on the Manzo brothers. I didn’t know they were both working for Uncle Chris. Were they supposed to have a real show, and now it’s just a few webisodes, or was it webisodes from the start? Their life sounds kind of boring. Work and some drinking.

    http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2011/06/real_housewives_of_new_jersey_19.html

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      IIRC they were supposed to get their own show and then it changed to webisodes. So they went from working for daddy to Uncle Chris – Caroline really has some handsome, independent, overachievers on her hands!

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Afterthought – why isn’t Ashley working for Chris? She wouldn’t have to worry about transportation, she could sleep in the car since she would have to get up early. Or she could work for Uncle Albert at the Brownstone since it is luncheons/dinners and close to home. Hmmmmm, why won’t her stupid relatives hire her????

        • quincyil says:

          Ashley probably wonders why they were hired and not her also.

        • jeepers1941 says:

          WCW
          Would you hire her if she was a relative ? No way in hell would I ever hire someone like her.
          She is so lazy and thinks she can get everyone to give her what she wants without lifting a finger. This girl is in serious trouble when it comes to the real world. No job, and that is if she can ever get one, will be good enough, pay enough as far as she is concerned. She doesn’t feel like it is her job to do anything other than to be the spoiled bitchy little brat that she is. Her mother needs to kick her ass out and let her fend for herself for a change. She can go live in a homeless shelter if need be and maybe that would open her eyes a wee bit. She is just a lazy twat, period!

          • Christine says:

            I loved it when Ashley cleaned her room and the kitchen and the “tough-love duo” of Chris and Jacq said that she should get a car. I clean my kitchen everyday – I get hugs.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Obviously I would not hire Ashley to even walk my dog but it is strange that none of her relatives who have businesses have stepped up to help her find gainful employment. She could work at the Pizza palace with Joe and Teresa (or babysit their spawn) ,she could help Auntie Dina with whatever “project” she is currently interested in doing. Too bad she burned all bridges with Danielle because there are job opportunities there that require no brains just using what the good Lord gave her….just saying.

          • TLM says:

            I think the family all knows what a lazy ass Ashley is, and they don’t feel like babysitting her. I think it’s funny that Lizzie “Hamptons Car Crash” Grubman saw fit to hire Assley as a volunteer at a PR company. Assley didn’t even know how dumb it was to post about her pulling Danielle’s hair on Facebook and joke about it. Eh, you get what you pay for, Lizzie.

      • quincyil says:

        What does Uncle Chris do now? I thought he worked with his brother and the company bankrupted.

        • MAMAZ says:

          Would you hire Ashley?

        • Debbie says:

          I remember reading an article that said Chris started a company called BLK water. They will be selling bottled Black Water with vitamins added. I’m not really sure what the are. It will be carried at the Brownstone and a couple of stores in Hoboken and will be on shelves starting this week

    • nic says:

      Something that Caroline tweeted caught my attention the other day: She said something to the effect that Albie, Chris and Joey G were going to some event together. Is that Teresa’s brother Joey G? Cause if it is, I can’t wait to see how this ‘friendship’ all comes about. Could explain why Teresa had her own premiere party separate from the one at the Brownstone and Dina’s loyalty has shifted from C to T…hmmm.

  12. AZ Girl says:

    Signed up for Ramona’s newsletter. Has anyone received it yet?

    • quincyil says:

      Not yet, Ramona went to the Hamptons for vacation this weekend.

      I have Bethenny’s and I think Oprah will put my name on her maiiing list. Are there any others doing this?

  13. Songbird80 says:

    They would have helped with the stipulation of selling the house… The mother refused..you are right it’s a fascinating story! They were living like vagrants but with a sense of wealth and class!

    • quincyil says:

      I read some articles about the mother daughter duo. Fascinating stuff. The mother grew up in a time that you married well and that was it for your life. I guess there are people trying to follow in their footsteps today so the appear on Millioniare Matchmaker or Pregnant with Heels.

      I would love to find out what Kendra’s story from Million Dollar Decorating is. She’s creating a dream house one day and everything is for sale the next day. That is a sea change.

    • Error404 says:

      Or so they say. Control issues aside (I’ll help but only if we do it my way!) I’m suspicious of any offer that includes a deal breaker as part of the deal. ” hm, my mother is too attached to her house and vows to never leave it. I know, ill offer to help with the condition that she sell her house!” Jeeze. If youre gonna say no, just say no.

      Her husband left her with no money at a time when this was despicable for any man, let only a rich society man. I think their unwillingness to clean up their father’s mess was a part of it. Plus the two Eddies suffered from mental illness at least mildly, so I think none of the men of any generation really wanted to put up with any of the craziness.

      • quincyil says:

        I saw the movie that was recent and read online about ther. It was a different time. They did not know how to clean their house. Even Scarlett O”Hara had the intelligence to get her hands into the dirt for survival.

      • Sunny says:

        I don’t believe her husband left her with nothing. Her left her with a reasonable monthly allowance as I recall. She just refused to live in reality and within the allowance.

  14. AZ Girl says:

    OT, Yahoo website has an article on tv chef’s and their kitchens. Of course Ina Garten is in the top five. I love her house and it is located in East Hampton, NY. For some reason I thought she was somewhere in Maine. Her kitchen is amazing. But most of all I love her porch that over looks her amazing garden.

    • AZ Girl says:

      I am in an “amazing” mood this a.m. Time for me to go clean my own kitchen.

    • did you know that most of the cooks chefs houses on food network isnt there own
      not sure about Ina’s BUT Paula deans is actually Gordon Elliots House and those dogs are his not hers

      • nic says:

        Her first shows were at Gordon’s house (the yellow house). The shows from the last 3 yrs or so are from her house on the water in Savannah. And she’s built another house now, so who knows if that one will show up on air lol

        • Scorpiosue1102 says:

          Right. Because she tapes so many shows she actually built another house because she couldn’t cook in her own house. So that is her kitchen, just in her old house on her same property. Kind of confusing.

  15. klmh says:

    Kelly is not normal. That’s what I keep in mind. She is symptomatic of a person with a personality disorder, down to the last hair on her head. You can be hateful and condescending to her. You can allow her to stick in your craw until the series ends, or longer. Her illness is there for all to see, and for those that know her, they give her a pass, and they excuse her because they see for what she is, and they have to put up with it because of the show. Bethany has chosen not to be around her and I don’t think you will hear her bashing Kelly.
    I have a sibling that is very, very similar to Kelly. You learn to work around it, to wait until the pressure of speech has abated, and sometimes, if you are really lucky, you can get thru, but its about a 1 in 100 chance. My sibling has gotten better with age and we can hope that Kelly will mellow too for the sake of her children. To me she isn’t a mean person. I saw her make some stabs at removing the negativity around her in this past episode. She hates confrontation around her and feels she needs to become involved to make it stop. She is a narcissist and all things revolve around her, including the fights most of the time. Its just simply the way she is and unfortunately there are disorders like this that cannot be helped by meds. Personally, I think she has been in therapy and we have seen a better side of her this season than last, jmo.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I agree with you. There is clearly many things wrong with her, and she does mean things, but I just feel sorry for her. I don’t think Bravo should exploit her, and Jill and LuLu shouldn’t pretend she’s normal when she isn’t.

      People are bashing Alex for humoring her – but Alex knows how fragile Kelly is, and doesn’t want her to go off again. None of the women baited Kelly into acting crazy so far – and I respect them for it. Scary island was a real eye opener.

      • klmh says:

        I agree with you about Alex. But I also think Jill and Luann recognize the problem with Kelly and they
        are protecting her.
        Honestly, you cannot tell these people anything and much of the time they aren’t a part of the conversation. Sometimes they just go off in another direction and the subject has nothing to do with what the discussion was about. My sibling’s IQ is higher than average, as I believe Kelly’s is, but its difficult if not impossible to recognize it unless you have been around someone like her for a while.Part of their disease is self destructive, and Kelly is unfortunately succeeding. I don’t know, maybe she thinks she can redeem herself.
        I also agree with you about Bravo. I was so upset last year, I even wrote Andy, like probably thousands of people did. Im sure they thought therapy would work, and I think she is much better this year because of it and also because she isn’t competing with Bethany. I was the brunt of my siblings “rivalry” in her eyes, for years, but after our mother died, after a few years, it was better. It will ALWAYS be about them, in all situations and competition will set these people who suffer her fate, off, big time.

    • nathania says:

      I think few of these women DON’T have personality disorders.

      It’s sad that Jill is exploiting Kelly, as is Luann. It’s so interesting to me that they warned Kelly not to go on the trip last year. And I never understood that until I saw her on this trip with her protectors.

      To me she is not a sympathetic character at all. In fact, pitying someone who needs help as badly as she does could backfire. It hopefully will benefit her children that she was able to be exposed on last season.

      The problem I have with kelly and the ‘disorder’ thing, is that is is so situational. Luann is always sociopathic and Jill is always histrionic. They are consistent. To me, Kelly does not come off this way, if she was this way all the time, I do believe her children would have been taken away, and that might happen at some point if she doesn’t get what is eating at her straightened out. Because so many people (Gayle King, Kelly Ripa) have talked about Kelly’s
      demeanor being perfectly normal outside of the show, I am going to be a contrarian and say that Kelly rather than having PD like Jill/Luann, reacts when triggered, and whatever is being triggered in her is so overwhelming to her that she can’t control the feelings, which would be something like post-traumatic stress disorder or an anxiety disorder, or panic attacks. That gels with what the other women say about conflict and her reaction to it. She could also be bipolar…I suspect there are meds problems going on with Kelly too, whether legal or illegal or both. I really don’t think in terms of a consistent personality disorder like Jill or Luann, that is what is at play. Or, if it is, it’s not what is causing her to behave the way she does, because the things that make her stand out are reactions, where as Jill and Luann get up in the morning being personality disordered and consistent throughout the day, and those things never change despite the situation, whereas Kelly veers to extremes, and is much more unstable in my opinion than the other two, because of the nature of whatever is wrong with her.

      • klmh says:

        Im not a psychiatrist, so I can’t diagnose really any of the other ladies. I think LuAnn is a snake, I think JZ is narcissistic and can be hateful, but could be a good friend if you play up to her, I like Alex and Sonya, but Kelly is someone I “know” and have been around all my life. I have been with my sibling thru psychotic breaks, just 2, but also the narcissism, well, just absolutely everything Kelly has shown on this series. It is like my sister and Kelly are one in the same person. I can hope as Kelly gets older, her disorder becomes less apparent and she becomes a truly happier person. My sibling has. Oh, there is a difference between the two, my sibling also goes thru periods of depression and mania. She has been in an institution for a week, twice, and they said it was exhaustion. She broke with reality people! And forget trying to get mental help for those affected, unless they are a threat to themselves or another, or like Kelly, a demand from Bravo to get therapy.
        I cannot tell you the thousands of times I thought about me being the one living this hell, instead of my sibling. It breaks my heart and I love her. There but for the grace of God…

        • Error404 says:

          I think Kelly has depressed periods too. Her description of what sounded like a complete nervous breakdown after her daughters birth was chilling.
          The absolute saddest part of all this is that maybe if famous people like Jill and Kelly spoke openly about her mental illness, it would bring better understand and treatment.
          But we’re talking about a show where women scream the insult alcoholic at each other like it’s a synonym for pedophile rapist. It’s like the dark ages on bravo tv.

          • klmh says:

            I didn’t know about Kelly’s breakdown with her child’s birth. There are so many pieces to this puzzle and probably so many overlapping diagnoses to Kelly’s problems.
            Im not sure Kelly realizes the serious problem she has, and I would be surprised if she wanted people talking about it, even if she did see it. She though is perfect, in her eyes.

            • Thanks for sharing your story and the insights into Kelly. It sounds like it wasn’t easy for either of you and that you’re doing ok now.

              • klmh says:

                Thanks. It was hard to talk about here even though my identity is hidden. I wouldn’t do anything to hurt my sibling. I suppose that’s why I have always come to Kelly’s defense.

            • nathania says:

              she called it ‘debilitating anxiety” to be exact.
              she did not mention if she got help. it could have been some past trauma that came up.
              that conversation was sad because typical of those scenes the topic got changed and it was a moment of true honesty, almost as if she was reaching out for some assurance that someone else had experienced it. that was my first clue that she has issues related to anxiety and being overwhelmed which is clear when you watch her reactions to certain situations. I think ALL her trauma is repressed, which is why she is such a basketcase. It might be a mother issue based on how strong her reactions to Bethenny were…remember the meltdown over the monograms? That is what I mean by situational.

              • klmh says:

                Absolutely. Its much more difficult to focus too in certain situations. Anxiety and the feeling of being overwhelmed is such a big part of my sibling’s problem as well.
                My sibling did not experience this sort of behavior until early adulthood, (or at least I didn’t see it,) when so many disorders show themselves. Wonder when this occurred to Kelly?
                I can’t speak to her trauma being repressed. I think it has to do with her perceptions, instead of reality trauma, but I don’t know.
                My husband who is a Dr, but not a psychiatrist, and I, discussed what her diagnosis would be if we could get her the additional help needed after her brief stays in an acute care psychiatric facility, (because they failed both times to diagnose or help her). Our guess is just that, but he has done quite a bit of research on her s/s. He has also talked with 2 psychiatrists about her. Its a crossover of some sort of personality disorder with brief breaks in reality due to anxiety and perceived trauma. She also experiences periods of depression and mania, but they are not severe enough for lithium, etc. Believe it or not, she has held a job for almost 8 years. That is amazing to us and we do see a bit of improvement with age (mid sixties).

    • floridagirl88 says:

      Still, Bravo should be reprimanded for letting a mentally ill person participate so publicly in this show. This last episode showed us some of what we saw on Scary Island in Kelly’s speech patterns and confrontations. She wants so much to relevant to the story line, but her mental health issues get in the way. It must be painful for her children to watch and be teased about at school. I think those scenes that show Kelly nearly normal in her reactions are a direct result of editing. They cut out the really crazy stuff and edited it to make her sound reasonable. Only it can’t last as we saw in part 3 of the trip.

  16. plainviewsue says:

    Could not wait to read your blog. Sonya made me fall in love with her all over again with this episode. I love the support the blondes show for each other, while the witchy brunettes only no how to knock the others.

    Countless Lulu outdid herself with this episode. I cannot stand her. Kelly showed us all who the true bully is. As for Jill, with the exception of the beginning of the episode, she actually didn’t upset me as much as the others.

    I tweeted to Cindy to NOT taking Lulu’s parenting advice. She is a horrible horrible woman, and Ramona was right to call her a part time parent.

    Seeing how Jill & Alex seemed to come to terms, it’s interesting how they obviously now cannot stand each other again.

    My advice to the blondes, have NOTHING to do with the brunettes!

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I really loved how supportive Ramona was of Alex in her blog. Love them both! Sonja was going through her own hard time, but managed to be silly and keep it light in Morocco. That must have been hard and I respect her for it.

  17. Dogfeathers says:

    Luann is vile. She lies, bullies and is just plain classless and nasty, all the while telling everybody how classy and important she is and how rude the blondes are. She writes an advice column for some tabloid about manners and class. That’s just about as fitting as Pamela Anderson teaching a modesty class at Brigham Young University.

    And I still hate Jill. Cindy has no personality, no sense of humor, and clearly doesn’t belong on this show. Kelly is just crazy.

    • Caitlin says:

      You and I must be drinking the same Kool Ade because ITA!

    • housewifeaddict says:

      ITA. I’m sure LuLu has no real friends. The people she thinks are in her class probably can’t stand pretentious people like her (with no money or husband and therefore no free ticket into society). Everyone else is beneath her – so all she’s left with is Jill Zarin – who she needs because if you don’t have a BFF on your reality show – you look like a loser.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Did anybody else notice how on WWHL Luann would look for confirmation after she said anything? After each passive-aggressive comment about the other ladies she would raise her hand and look to Andy and the other guest for agreement. After Andy so brilliantly brought up AC’s comment about not having class if you use the word, she said she thinks it’s acceptable and then asked, “Am I right?” She could not just answer a question or make a statement without seeking validation. I thought it was very interesting. I think because for the first time, she is realizing that people don’t like her, and she’s completely baffled by it.

        • i hated when andy made fun of the faces alex was making after being attacked and said they should help her in her modeling
          that was as rude a comment as anything Classless LuMan has said to her
          I think i lost all respect for him with that one comment

    • floridagirl88 says:

      Countless Vile

  18. Jill just tweeted that she watched next week’s episode. She said it was like soft porn and she said that LuAnn takes down a housewife.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      That much we know from the “massage” video of Ramona and Mario on Bravo, and the previews of the LuLu/Alex lunch. I for one was sickened by both. Sorry Ramoner – I know you wanted it to look romantic, but ick.

      • nic says:

        What is it with these housewives and allowing us to see into their ‘bedroom’?? I don’t care how much I like you, I don’t want to see you with your spouse/boyfriend..ICK!

    • we all know which h/w she TRY’s To take down

      too bad neither woman realizes how they are now so hated while Alex has become loved

  19. kellynnola says:

    My sister is at a law conference in Miami and spoke with an attorney from NY and somehow ended up getting into a conversation about RHNY. He said his wife and he are good friends with Jill and Bobby. The interesting part is that when they were talking about what other housewives he knew, he mentioned that Jill thinks Kelly is crazy. Now thats not what Jill told us on camera, right??? So two-faced….

    • LynnNChicago says:

      I think they all know that Kelly is crazy, they are afraid to say anything to the press or to fans for fear of being sued or getting Bravo God’s angry. Bethenny is the only one who came out and said it and she meant it and she never took it back or walked back from her words. For Jill’s purposes she needs to keep as many friends as she can, she wants Kelly on her team simply because there is strength in numbers. Oh and because Kelly is a brunette…although she said she was blonde on the 2nd season reunion…

      You can’t tell me that Lulu doesn’t know that Kelly is crazy, she knows…she just couldn’t care less, this is a job for Lulu and she looks at Kelly as a necessary evil. We know that Ramona, Alex and Sonja know first hand that Kelly is crazy. Cindy doesn’t know anything…she just argues over coat hangers and the front seat in the van.

      • kellynnola says:

        ITA and if Kelly ever turned on her you know Jill would pull out the crazy card so fast.

      • Adgirl says:

        Intereating comment about Jill’s real opinion about Kelly. I agree with Lynn. I will take it a step further. Kelly is being used by Jill to pump-up Team Jill and to make Jill out to be a nuturing mama-lion. Kelly is very responsive to to jill’s “grooming” (manipulations). I can almost see Kelly curling up like a baby snuggling up to her pseudo-mommy, Jill.
        Jill was very successful at punching Ramona and Bethenny on Scary Island thru her proxy – Kelly. Too bad Jill didn’t understand she over-heated her puppet-robot and broke Kelly’s circuit board.

        • quincyil says:

          I think Jill said things to Bethenny about Kelly too so when Jill because Kelly’s friend on the show it was upsetting to Bethenny. Remember the email to Kelly read on the air? It was asi if Jill wanted to control Kelly.

          I don’t think Jill should share her opinion with people because it always gets back to the source. Kelly is going to be told about this.

      • PJ says:

        They all have to know that Kelly is crazy, how could they not know. I think it’s all about alliances to try and make the blonds look bad this season. Jill is trying to hijack the show for her own purposes. I have no doubt that Jill, Loo, and Kells have an end game in mind.

        • quincyil says:

          I bet Jill and Luan are trying to protect Kelly because there is a problem. I think that Alex could have done a lot of damage to Kelly if she had pushed Kelly a little bit and she did not.

          All season long Kelly has forcefully and loudly interjected herseilf into conversatios of the women which is exactly what happened on Scarey Island. Kelly has been horribly mean in the interviews.

          Kelly has said that her father has made comments about her too. I suspect the family has always known.

          • PJ says:

            Oh yeah I agree the family has to know, no way they could not know.

            • Eve says:

              I agree with Lynn….Kelly is a warm body for the brunettes. Her behavior on vaca last year earns her a pass.

          • floridagirl88 says:

            We know that when Jill was called to warn her about Kelly’s erratic behavior on Scary Island, Jill refused to help her so called friend because it interfered with her planned blitz attack so Kelly was sacrificed. What kind of friend does that? We know from that scene in the restaurant following Scary Island before Kelly shows up that they knew she had experienced a breakdown, yet none of them offered to help her. They only wanted to make fun of and gossip about her on camera.

    • TLM says:

      I am no fan of Jill’s, but I will say she has alluded to the fact that she thought Kelly had mental problems. At the reunion she referred to Kelly’s behavior as “disturbing,” she said Kelly’s Tweets made no sense, and on the show she said she couldn’t get a full thought out of her and what she was saying on the phone made no sense. I believe at the lunch afterward with Kelly and Luann, she observed that Kelly made no sense.

      Where I thought Jill was rotten was that she was more focused on her mission to see Bethenny than to step in and help Kelly. I don’t believe she has ever been a sincere friend to Kelly, but rather likes to say she’s friends with a former model who is Gilles Bensimon’s ex-wife, just like she likes to say she’s friends with a Countess.

  20. La Dolce Vita says:

    Error: On previouse blog page your said “It’s not like any of them are ever going to get it.”

    Error: Oh, I do think they “get it.” They have all chosen various methods to make themselves relevant to the show. However, as their natural personalities emerge, it becomes obvious that most have not chosen wisely.

    Luann, case in point > having chosen to be the epitome of all that is elegant and noble, in reality (true personality) comes across as a haughty, bossy, mean-spirited, ill-mannered, back stabbing, snake in the grass shrew.

    ITA that they would never go on a trip together except for the show. Who in their right minds would go anywhere with Kelly. What a ditz. IQ must be below the Bell Curve. Jil, fog horn mouth, right on target there. Cindy (the hanger) is hard to figure because she offers nothing to the show. She even does her nasty face and goes negative on cooking. Maybe she used to be pretty and her face froze into that nasty expression – like our moms once said would happen.

    • Error404 says:

      I think we agree that real or fake they won’t back down. It’s not like a glass of Pinot to the face will snap lulu out of her imperial control freak mode and have her apologize. She’d just use it as fuel to complain about them for another 100 years. “she’s viscous, did you see her throw a drink in my face for no apparent reason.”

      • La Dolce Vita says:

        As I said before, I think throwing a drink in her face would be a wasted effort. Drink the Pinot, throw the empty bottle at her. At the very least, she might be in a coma for some time, and we would not have to listen to her pretentious mouth.

  21. Satchels of Jelly Beans says:

    If this has already been mentioned, I apologize, but I haven’t had time to get through all of the comments. Did you think it was hilariously odd (and therefore Kelly-like) that during the whole tattoo meltdown conversation inside the riad, Kelly said to Alex, “cover your shoulders, we’re in Marrakech,” and then Kelly goes for a run in public in her underwear? Kelly has a habit of doing this — during the last reunion, Kelly told Alex to closer her legs, yet Kelly has repeatedly been photographed in “outfits” that are either see through or which should be worn with pants. She is a nut.

    • quincyil says:

      I did think it was odd. Kelly wears provocative clothing all of the time. We have seen her in outfits that exposed her private parts. I think she seriously has issues.

      • Satchels of Jelly Beans says:

        Yes — she is overly concerned with the modestly of others, while she displays none herself (she just flat-out displays things!). Total nut.

      • Adgirl says:

        I agree, it’s like Kelly herself thinks about other women’s sexuality but she has no sex drive of her own. Strange pyscho-dynamic.

      • PJ says:

        This is just another example of how Kelly is not authentic. Kelly says one thing while she does exactly the opposite of what she says, and does not live up to the standards she tries to hold others to.

      • Nancy says:

        Q,
        I think Kelly has issues re: sex.

        • quincyil says:

          I think Kelly is the product of a Catholic School. The things she says are the things I was taught by nuns.. I am modest and follow the rules that Kelly wants to impose on Ramona. The disconnect is Kelly poses for Playboy and wears bikinis non stop. I think this is going to be confusing to her young daughters.

          • AZ Girl says:

            My thoughts also but something else has happened to Kelly and it is more than that she has already disclosed in the car to Luanne. She is just really messed up. Her poor daughters.

        • PJ says:

          I agree completely, but what are the issues? I have a theory about Kelly that I’ve never said on this board. But since Kelly accuses people of things that she is really guilty of and acts like she is so innocent and disgusted with anything sexual, meanwhile dressing really inappropriately at times (half naked jogging outfit in Morocco for instance—after criticizing others for their clothing). My theory and it is just a theory based on nothing but my observance of Kelly’s irrational behavior and statements about others. But I think Kelly has had way, way too many ‘Mr. Right Now’ types in her life. I think Kelly projects this on others like when she was all shocked to see Sonja’s V while flashing her own at some event for anyone and everyone to see. In other words I think Kelly has spent a lot of time counting cracks on the ceiling with a lot of different people. This is just an opinion of course and may not be based in reality but this is how I feel about Kelly, I could be wrong.

  22. lillybee says:

    I think the Bravo editors turned the sound up when Alex was going down those stairs.
    Kelly in her own weird way was trying to calm Alex down by using the tricks Kelly learned in therapy.
    Alex took it because she didn’t want to feed the crazy.

  23. nathania says:

    they would have had it on Alex’s mike.

    so my guess is they played the sound from Alex’s mike, instead of the sound from Luann,Kelly, Cindy.

  24. Adgirl says:

    I had FF thru Kelly’s SSSHHHHHHHs. Extremely annoying. She is stuck in pre-puberty. My comment above about her obssessing over other women’s privates while she runs around in her underpants is another example of her behaving like a 12 year old. A 12 year old may say to her mommy “Cover up! Don’t wear that!” (like Avery season 1) while the 12 year old herslf wears short skirts or midriffs. The 12 year old is not sexual and hates it when her mother to looking sexy.
    Kelly is an odd ball for sure. She fits well with the mean girls because she feels secure in the pack – she is protected.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      I was going to say something very similar to your comment. I think Kelly dresses the way she does while she tells the others to cover up because she sees them as women while she sees herself as a 15 year old girl so in her mind it’s okay for her to dress this way. Remember the comment she made about not having anything in common with Ramona because Ramona is SO much older than her (eight years). Yet Kelly is ten years older than Alex, but she never mentions that.

      Why in the world this woman would ever want to put herself on TV with all of her issues is beyond me. How did she think she could pull this off?

      • Mookies1mom says:

        She puts herself on TV with all of her issues because she is completely unaware that she has any. She does not see the same reality that we all see….that something is clearly wrong with her.

  25. boston02127 says:

    Jill’s tweet~~~~Just watched next weeks episode. It’s like soft porn. Gross!!! Then Luann takes down a housewife. Want to guess who? Such great episode!

    • quincyil says:

      I bet Luann takes down Alex. Ramona won’t give in to Luann.

      • PJ says:

        Jill is so sick.

      • just watching the previews would tell you that
        its her infamous Herman Munsters Shoes moment
        lord how i wish ui could have gotten a call in to wwhl

        Countless would never return the screen after i was done with her

        never mess with a snap diva queen LOL

    • PJ says:

      I would just dearly love to see someone, anyone take Loo down. Then Kelly sending her into a full on SI, head banging, ranting, jelly bean eating meltdown. Bethenny could handle these situations because she cut her teeth living with crazy people and knows how to handle them. Alex is just too normal and rational and civilized to know how to deal with these kinds of people.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        Cat took LuLu down on WWHL. Alex will try next episode, but LuLu is expecting it and will be ready with a comeback. I don’t want to see Kelly have another meltdown. Whatever happened on scary island didn’t involve acting.

        • quincyil says:

          I was going to say Cat O also. I don’t think Kelly is going to be shown like that again even if it happens.

          I think they edited what happened between Alex and Kelly in the last episode and only showed us a time bit of the battle.

          • PJ says:

            Yes Cat took her down for sure. But Loo doesn’t know Cat, I would like to see someone who Loo has been mean to take her down, someone from her own cast.

        • PJ says:

          I just want Kelly off the show, and my thinking is that of she went off like that again there would be no choice other than to pull her off the show for good. I think it’s very wrong for her to be on national TV.
          I agree there was no acting in the SI episodes. Even if Kelly would have us believe there was, by saying they make good TV.

          • Mookies1mom says:

            ITA! Bravo is extremely irresponsible in bringing her back. I think all that security wasn’t just to protect them from the bad elements in Morocco but perhaps the one they brought with them.

        • sue says:

          Well I would love to see another meltdow, I mean if she is willing to put herself out there and be the mean girl for Jill, then I think Bravo should run the lost footage/cutting room floor scenes to bring this one down a few pegs!!!!

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      We need to start complaining to Bravo that Jill is giving away episodes before they are aired! Between her super secret, exclusive blog and leaking coming attractions she just needs to be muzzled or removed from Bravoland!

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Yes please. “Want to guess who?” What a manipulative bitch. I HATE it any time she asks questions in this manner. It’s very neiner-neiner-neiner, I know something you don’t know! Terrible. F.

    • nathania says:

      yeah, kind of like Kelly took Bethenny down….

      come inside my parlor, said Alex to the fly…public sentiment is turning against lou ann, and the more vile she behaves, the worse it is going to get for her. if she could do it over, I bet she would quit while she was ahead. she is already 2nd only to kelly for weirdest housewife…Jill knows Alex is nuclear, that’s why she won’t mess with her I think…Jill has lou ann doing her dirty work, which shows just how stupid lou ann is.

  26. klmh says:

    Working people frequently ask retired people what
    they do to make their days interesting.
    Well, for example, the other day, Mary my wife and I
    went into town and visited a shop.

    When we came out, there was a cop writing out a parking ticket.

    We went up to him and I said, ‘Come on, man,
    how about giving a senior citizen a break?’
    He ignored us and continued writing the ticket.
    I called him an “asshole” . He glared at me and started
    writing another ticket for having worn-out tires.

    So Mary called him a “shit head”. He finished the
    second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first.
    Then he started writing more tickets.
    This went on for about 20 minutes.
    The more we abused him, the more tickets he wrote.

    Just then our bus arrived, and we got on it
    and went home.

    We try to have a little fun each day now that we’re retired.

    It’s important at our age.

    • TLM says:

      It’s interesting….Vicki confirms what my impression was, which is that Donn was reaching out to her and trying, and she was consistently rejecting him. I think in her mind she thought she could do better. She shut him out. I wonder if she regrets it, or feels that their split was inevitable.

      I would not be surprised at all if that skank Jeana hit on Donn. She’s had her eye on him for a couple of years now.

      • Eve says:

        I like Jeanna and think she and Donn would make a nice couple.

        • AZ Girl says:

          I love Jeanna but she has some serious real self-esteem issues. Donn does not need Jeanna’s baggage i.e. her hang ups on her self esteem and lack of respect from her son’s and ex-husband. Donn needs a nice woman who will appreciate him and move on.

          • WindyCityWondering says:

            Jeanna does have real self-esteem issues but she is a nice person at heart. I would woohoo if she hooked up with Donn!

          • TLM says:

            WTF is with that dumb beeyotch Jeana saying Vicki will have “the best divorce ever. She’s done it before and she knows how to do it.” Ummm, WHAT? Is she out of her effing mind? This isn’t like getting fake nails, Jeana… “Vicki will have the best nails EVER!” Do you see the pain that’s going on, you stupid effing tree slug? I’m amazed Jeana was able to hold a job and walk and not fall down. She truly has the mind of a flea.

            • ihearttalavera says:

              ITA. I was completely puzzled by her “best divorce ever” statement also. I hate the way she smiled after she said it. I wanted to smack her.

              • TLM says:

                Jeana just shrugs everything off. I thought she just did her famous shrug and snorted. I didn’t note a smile. But she fails to take anything seriously: she screwed Vicki over with the second house she encouraged her to buy and then had her vagrant friend living in; she denied Tamra was ever abused; she blew off the horrible way her son spoke to her. When she spoke about her own financial troubles, she said she “sold a couple of watches” when her home was nearly in foreclosure. She’s in constant denial about everything.

                • ihearttalavera says:

                  You’re right. It’s more of a shrug/snort with a faint turning up of her lips. I’m getting angry just picturing it!

                • TLM very few people that Know Tamra think that she was actually abused by simon
                  people know just how much a liar she is
                  and they saw them interacting in public
                  Trampy is the abuser

            • ann says:

              What pain? Not seeing any. Vicky likes to be pitied.

              • ihearttalavera says:

                I disagree. She doesn’t seem to be a fan of pity to me. Vicki did seem to be in pain over the whole thing. Probably for different reasons than most normal people who divorce, but in pain nonetheless. I think her pain was more about being a perfectionist and not wanting to fail than Donn.

                • TLM says:

                  I don’t think you cry for days on end and don’t want anyone to know because you want pity. Vicki is the kind of person to hide it because she DOESN’T want to be pitied or seen as a mess or weak.

            • TLM you keep forgetting that Jeanna used to be Ickys best friend and it only ended when Jeannas started to have money issues
              thats how disgusting and vile Icky is

              if anyone knows just how Icky is gonna make out from the divorce is IS Jeana

              • TLM says:

                I don’t say Vick is perfect, but Jeana has just shown herself to be a nasty vicious bitch. I can’t believe the zingers that have come out of Jeana’s mouth over time. Initially it seemed like she was Mama Jeana, the peacemaker, and I used to wonder what they meant when people said Jeana could be harsh. It started with her actually telling Vicki they should refer to her son’s gf as “future ex-daughter in law” when she was sitting right there and did absolutely nothing to Jeana. It stunned everyone, and when Jeana was asked to apologize she just shrugged her shoulders. Jeana acts like she doesn’t get upset by anything, but she has daggers coming out all over. Unfortunately she directs them at the wrong people and not the asshole men in her life who deserve it.

              • klmh says:

                I think Vicki was quite angry at Jeana’s friend that didn’t pay his rent that he owed Vicki, or am I wrong on the time line. I think she was angry because the guy not only didn’t pay, but was a bumb and didn’t appreciate J. recommending him as a tenant. If I remember correctly, he hadn’t payed rent for several months.
                It seemed this event happened quite a bit earlier than J. money issue.

                • TLM says:

                  Yes KLMH… the Frankie thing happened before Jeana asked for money. So it was a buildup for Vicki and all these things lead to the dissolution of the friendship.

          • are you saying because she has self esteem issues that she ISNT a nice person

        • i agree I like Jeana and she would make a much better mate then Icky ever did

          • ihearttalavera says:

            Especially if she’s the mate of an abusive man. She loves them!

            • TLM says:

              LOL @ ihearttalavera!!! Jeana actually asked Vick for MONEY when she realized her spending habits left her in a jam. Vick wisely said no. To me that was crossing a serious line and Jeana had a nerve to even ask when she had plenty of assets to sell. I would have distanced myself from Jeana after that as well. I had a coworker who asked me for money once and, without getting into more specifics, I thought it was the ultimate in gall. I was polite but never really spoke to them again. Vick also felt screwed over by the way Jeana treated her 2nd property. Jeana did well in real estate at a time when anyone could have done well. She was lucky she had enough assets that she avoided foreclosure. Vick is the only one who has been wise financially, and she almost got into trouble with the second house. I hope Vick will downsize after this house is sold, and will stop feeling like she has to have an enormous house to determine her self-worth or success. She travels a lot for business, and her kids are grown. She would be better off in a smaller home or even a condo.

      • klmh says:

        I haven’t watched OC as long as some here, but she has been unhappy for years or at least as long as I’ve watched it.

        • Eve says:

          I think Vicki is a narcissist and the worst thing that can happen to one is to be ignored and looked down on. She is worried because people love Donn. She doesn’t care about him and her tears are for attention.

          • We Can Never Be Friends says:

            Amen and amen!

          • klmh says:

            That could be true, but what I have witnessed in the three or so years since I began watching this, is that she has no respect or love for Donn, but he does to her. Sometimes love isn’t reciprocated and that is what it is, so I can’t condemn her for feeling the way she does, but I think Donn is wonderful and she will regret her decision. He seems kind and attentive and surely doesn’t deserve this, and he has been a great father to her children.
            I don’t think she is a narcissist or anything else, other than driven by money and the desire to find someone to give her what she wants, whatever that is. Im afraid she won’t find it either.

          • Deco says:

            In California assets are divided 50-50 when divorcing. I think Vicky cries when she thinks about what she might lose to Don in a divorce. I don’t think she respects Donn nor do I think she took his feelings into consideration. She’s mocked him publicly and acted out publicly with other men while on vacation. We’ve all seen her flirting and hanging on other men without regard for what Donn might feel.
            On another note,, I like Jeanna. And Kara seems to enjoy her mom, while Brianna is over Vicky and her attempts at total daughter domination.

  27. Simon replied to Jill’s tweet about next week’s episode featuring “soft porn” .

    Simon’s tweet:

    Does it contain footage of loving married couples having intimate moments at times other than when expensive jewelry is bought? If that’s gross then file it next to Bobby’s Playboy stash.

    ROFLMAO!

  28. Error404 says:

    Bravo ruins many a hw rep because they don’t have a finger on the pulse. They have this weird idea that we want “aspirational” and keep shoving wild lives of luxury down our throats, but that’s exactly what we all complain the loudest about.

    Alex does one scene 4 years ago where she scours the paper looking for her name and to this day people are still screaming about how much they hate her because she’s a “social climber”. Get over it, like the entire nation isn’t founded on the idea that anyone can get rich and improve their class ranking.

    Bravo bases the entire franchise on the idea that we’re suppose to oggle at their blinging lifestyle, but god forbid Sonja Morgan mentions a house or a trip and the venom just pours out like she kicked a puppy and burned an orphan with her cigarette.

    • Error, I just love your dislike of Cindy! Do you think she will (hopefully) not be asked back for season 5?

      • Error404 says:

        I’m not convinced there will be a season 5! But if there is, all bets are off IMO. S2 Kelly was dull, weird and abrasive. Then she got involved in a private scandal. Logically she shouldn’t have been asked back for s3 but voila. Then she had a complete mental breakdown on set and had to be forcibly removed. Logically she wouldn’t have been asked back for s4. I mean, were talking about a network that gave a pay raise to a woman after she threw their top exec across a room on camera. Andy is probably weird enough to keep cin cin just because she decorates lady parts for a lving and that makes his arrested development at 13 year old mind giggle.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          I agree it’s hard to predict. I think they will have to shake it up a lot because the alliances are too strong, and that alone will make it uninteresting for the next season. I think they’ll drop LuLu so that Jill doesn’t have a BFF. I think Cindy will be dropped too – she’s just midway – not likeable, but not interesting enough to hate either. Just sort of a mild annoyance that no one will care about if they disappear. I think people are a little intrigued by Kelly’s strange behavior – so they’ll probably keep her. Simon will do anything to promote Bravo, so they’ll keep the pair. I’m sure Sonja, Ramona and Jill will be invited back unless they do a complete recast.

        • if the ratings are as good as they are trying to make us believe there will be a next season

          • MAMAZ says:

            I agree with you DQ. As long as people are watching they will keep airing this crapfest.
            They don’t care if we are watching because we love them or hate them just as long as we watch.

            Error – As usual you are spot on. I have no doubt that Sonja’s namedropping is prompted by the production staff. And if they thought they could get her to kick that puppy while burning that orphan they would air that too!

        • codystl says:

          I’m all for Bravo replacing the the brunettes 😉

  29. WindyCityWondering says:

    Kelly is not normal and she is not nice. Kelly says stupid things, like causing a casino, and doesn’t miss a beat in her “scenes”. Kelly truly believes she is acting and what she says in her talking heads – spoonfed or otherwise is acting too. Kelly knows “behavior rules” and they are to be applied to other people but not herself. Alex is smart enough to know not to do or say anything that would trigger a full Kelly meltdown. Bravo knew exactly how fans/viewers/cast mates felt after KKB’s breakdown and they did nothing, allowed nothing to be said at the reunion and brought her back like nothing happened. There was a lot of security on the Moroccan trip and it wasn’t all for keeping the women safe from the “denizens of the souk” because Bravo can not afford to let Kelly repeat her SJVI performance.

    • Satchels of Jelly Beans says:

      I think that Bravo is hoping for a repeat of Scary Island. Praying for it.

    • Adgirl says:

      Causing a Casino! LOL. Did you see Alex’s eyes widen? Like she suddenly recalled that Kelly is a mental case.

      • quincyil says:

        When Kelly uses the wrong words or phrases, I wonder what is going on in her braind. What is the connection between Santa and henna? Ramona makes similar errors…” White rice.” Teresa Giudice does also.

      • TLM says:

        I’ve got the moves baby, you got the motion
        If we got together we’d be causing a CASINO…

  30. Hi everyone,

    I just wanted to post this one more time because I worked very hard on it and would appreciate any and all feedback. If there is anything we can do to bring the brunettes to justice, let me know. Lynn, I promise this is the last time I will post it, but I would love to hear your thoughts. I have a friend that is a lot like Jill, so I look to Ramona for guidance on how to deal with him….

    AN OPEN LETTER TO ANDY COHEN

    Dear Mr. Cohen,

    On behalf of Bethenny Frankel and Jason Hoppy, Ramona and Mario Singer, Alex McCord and Simon Vankampen, and Sonja Morgan, I respectfully wish to voice my displeasure regarding season four of the real housewives of new york city. It is my firm belief that during season three we were able to see the REAL real housewives of New York City. We witnessed Bethenny Frankel grow her passion for business while finding love in the process. We witnessed Alex McCord and her thoughfulness, her desire to be a good friend and do the right thing even if it means less camera time, and we witnessed Ramona Singer go through her renewal and change some of her thoughts and behaviors for the better.

    It is my firm belief that these were authentic events in the lives of these individuals. We also witnesed the lives of those who, while upsetting, were also engaging in real behavior. We were privy to Jill Zarin bully her ex-friend, Bethenny Frankel with the assistance of LuAnn DeLesseps, and we watched Kelly Bensimon have an embarrassing breakdown in St. John. While not anything to emulate, these women also gave us valuable insight into their real lives. When tuning into the Real Housewives, this is something that viewers expect and deserve.

    I do not have a crystal ball. I cannot see into the future and I certainly was not there when the women signed up for season 4 of the show. However, I would bet my life on the fact that both Jill and Kelly were upset about the fact that they were shown in their true light and demanded to be treated with the utmost respect and positive editing for season 4. It is my guess that you, as the producers promised them both that they would be heavily edited and that nothing negative would be shown. While it is important to preserve the personal dignity of an individual who has signed up for a reality show, it is also encumbant upon Bravo to show the truth. Indeed, Bravo has a responsibility to the audience to show how things actually occur and what is actually said about them. While Jill Zarin often blamed editing on her poor portrayal in the past, it is quite clear that she is once again completely wrong. The previous seasons, with a different set of producers showed Jill and her friends in their true light. The current producers are not, and thus failing the audience that they are supposed to serve.

    My best friend and I were having dinner at the Cheesecake Factory the other night and discussing these facts. My friend said the most apt observation to date, in my mind, regarding the real housewives of new york season four: “It’s like the bad guys won.” The attempts of Bravo to show the “brunettes” as some kind of busted up Sex and the City (TM Jaqueline Laurita) while lying and destroying the character of Ramona Singer by calling her an alcoholic is not only unfair but brutal and a real destruction of her character. We also were shown, in my mind, a heavily edited version of the disgreement between Sonja and Alex during the same-sex marriage march; my guess is that there were other reasons that Alex didn’t speak, that someone at the march screwed up, and Sonja and Alex, being classy individuals, are covering for them. Of course, this is all lost to the unfair and unreal season 4 editing.

    Mr. Cohen, if this continues into season 5 (if there is one, clearly your attempts to turn the brunettes into the “good guys” aren’t paying off ratings wise, viewers tend to want to see the truth) I will not be a viewer. It is stunning and upsetting to me that a series which was supposed to document the lives of these women has now turned into scripted television. Jill Zarin has said as much. We know she plays to the cameras and also tells us that the “show is about talking behind each others backs.” Really, with “friends” like these, Mr. Cohen, who needs enemies?

    Consider me one less viewer next season if this unfair and unreal “editing” continues.

    • MAMAZ says:

      I think your letter is great. Its articulate and heartfelt.
      Sadly I don’t think Andy,Shed Media or Bravo cares.They know the women are horrible to one another and they love the ratings it brings.
      I have been considering a similar letter to the sponsors.I would like to tell them that the show does not represent my values any more and that as long as they continue to advertise during the Housewives I can only assume that the franchise does represent theirs. And due to that I will no longer be able to purchase their products. Of course that means I’ll have to watch and note who the sponsors are. I think your time and communication skills would be better directed toward them. Let us know if you send your letter, who you send it to and what if any response you get from them.
      Good luck. I only wish I thought it would do any good.

  31. housewifeaddict says:

    Did anyone else watch the bellydancing exclusive video on Bravo. Did you catch how the Countess didn’t dress up at all – didn’t even put on some attire over her normal clothes like Jill, Cindy and Sonja did. And then at the end Sonja asked the Countess if it was okay (the lesson) – like the Countess had been dismissive of the entire thing when Sonja arranged it. The Countess graciously said “yes – although I’m not sure if I learned anything.” She’s just a wet sponge.

  32. housewifeaddict says:

    Jill’s exclusive blog (not sure if this is the same one as the newsletter one, but you don’t have to subscribe or log in to see this one)

    http://jillzarin.com/2011/06/11/jill-zarin-episode-10-exclusive-blog/

    What really strikes me is how she adds in all her nasty jabs at Ramona and Alex in these exclusive blogs. Does she think her fan base enjoys nasty? Does she really expect us to believe that she’s truly friends with Cindy and Kelly. Sure they “fake” tweet each other for the show of it – but friends? I don’t think so.

    • WindyCityWondering says:

      Jill thinks being two faced is a good thing. Taking extra digs at people she says she is being friends with is very two faced, extremely juvenile and would be a good giggle for her admirers who likely do the same thing.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        I agree. She would throw her own daughter, sister or mother (anybody but Bawbee because he’s got the checkbook) under the bus without thinking twice to make herself look better. What she’s too stupid to realize is this actually makes her look worse.

    • Smompy says:

      Damn, I am SO jillous of Debbie Clark from New Hampshire. A PERSONAL phone call form JZ herself? She is one lucky girl!

      Why does Jill say her “friends” are from Harpo/Oprah? Which is it….are they from Harpo productions or did Oprah herself actually give birth to them?

      • MAMAZ says:

        Her fans must like them or they wouldn’t be fans anymore. I think their are a lot of women out there who confuse mean for powerful.

    • MsJxn says:

      Sorry, but a biotch with 50,0000000,…LmaO!!! as she MIGHT AS WELL HAVE SAID,…only get’s 14 comments,…duhhhhhh!!! Contriving and manipulating much?!!!! You better get the assistants,.PR folk’s,…..inerns,..(unpaid, of course) ,……quick,…”Scream,….uh I mean screen names every one”!! clap clap!!!!! “JZ,”…No,…this is not “OZ”!!!!!!! Kelly=Brainlesss scarecrow,….Lou=heartless tin Man,..Cindy=cowardly lion,…..Bawwwbbbbyyy=well, the Wiz, of course,….keeps that curtin pulled tight for Jealousy, THE WICKED WITCH of the Beast!! Riding in her bicycle with Ginger/ Cookie in her basket,..”I’ll get you and your little dog,too!!’ “And those skinny girl amazing red shoes you wear”!! ehhheehhhh!! Because I’m just sexy like you ,…In a “Caroline Manzo,.Jewish/ Italian Mother wannabe kinda’ way!!,..riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Bawwwybbbyyyy !? Sonja=Glenda “the good one”,..and fun to party with her magic wand!! Alex=a happy munchkin!! Romoner,..hummm=A star in the sky,…..but,..that’s just unexplainable Ramoner,….She is the bubble around Glenda,…and some people “just can’t get happiness,…without issues”!!!!”,….hummm,…’magine that!!! Those with nothing to prove do it every day,….and ENJOY life,…….Just watching,…waiting either for a house to fall,….or a bucket of water,….and can’t wait to see the epi,..when “flying monkey”, Andy gets to sing DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!!!!!!!!

    • chris says:

      Ugh and spit-up. I just followed the link and read her “exclusive blog”. She says the argument between LuAnn and Alex was funny and then at the end of the paragraph she says she feels sorry for Alex. This woman should be required to do community service at a junior high school for the rest of her life. I take that back…the kids deserve better.

  33. lillybee says:

    Casino in Italian means both casino and something like a scene. By saying don’t cause a casino, in my opinion, Kelly was using the right word but in the wrong language.

    • quincyil says:

      Very interesting. I did not know that. Thanks.

    • PJ says:

      But does Kelly know that is the question. I doubt Kelly speaks italian.

    • TLM says:

      I think you are giving Kelly WAYYYY too much credit here. She supposedly speaks French but not Italian, and in any case, the conversation was in English and made no sense in English.

      The definition of “casino” by itself is “Whorehouse” or “brothel”. I don’t think Alex was creating a brothel. CHIASSO, not casino, is a din or racket. Which still isn’t the correct word for what happened.

  34. kellynnola says:

    Looking for ideas on my new interior design blog and how to incorporate Housewives homes into some posts. Tell me which homes of the Real Housewives’s you would like to be seen reviewed/rated/critiqued from a designer’s point of view. Also, I will be blogging on shows such as 9 by Design and Dina Manzo’s new show. Thanks!

    • Smompy says:

      Honestly, all of them! To me, Kelly’s Hamptons house is probably my favorite RHoNYC home, but Ramona’s is pretty nice too. I find Sonja’s townhouse a little sad, but she’s having money troubles now, so I wouldn’t want to say anything too bad about it myself. We all know JIll’s apartment is nauseating, but it’d still be fun to read someone else being snarky about it:)

      • quincyil says:

        Do NYC because it’son now, then NJ. I would like your opinion o BH over time. There are photos of some of the houses at realestalker.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      JZ, Ramona, Lisa from BH. Fun!

  35. Adgirl says:

    Countess Jumped-Up is grating on my last nerve. I barely noticed her seasons 1 &2. She purposely was very careful of her “depiction” on camera. Her appearances felt very controlled and infrequent. When she was dumped she found relevance on RH because Jill adopted her.
    Suddenly Madame Fast & the Furious was unleashed. Jill’s unfavorable behavior last season created an opportunity for LouLou to take control. She is extremely angry at losing her “glamorous” life and she will exact a toll from Alex (How dare you sit in my presence!) and Ramona (How you speak to me in that tone!).

    ICK!

    • Smompy says:

      I know, I’m honestly amazed that this woman hasn’t been punched in the face by any of her human targets yet. Not that I’m advocating violence (necessarily), but, in all seriousness, I think I would have lost it and decked that bitch by now had she treated me the way treated the way Alex or Ramona. Maybe we could get Teresa Joodice to throw a table at her or something?

      What I find most amusing AND annoying about the whole Morocco debacle is that these stupid bitches are fighting a battle for Jill Zarin’s honor regarding last year’s trip to Saint Johns when both of them are already on the record as saying that Jill was WRONG and Ramona was basically correct in how she reacted there. LuAnn herself sat in a restaurant with Jill and, on camera, advised her that she shouldn’t ambush Ramona by going there…advice which Jill naturally ignored…and LuAnn has since said, or, at the very least, obviously implied that Ramona was being a good hostess during that mess. But now, in Morocco, Jill’s whole problem with Ramona revolves around the fact that Ramona would not suddenly and publicly agree that she was wrong and announce that Jill was 100% right. She says Ramona MUST apologize to her and anything less is unacceptable. That is Jill’s ENTIRE ridiculous argument, yet both Lulu and Kelly (and to some extent Cindy) are suddenly willing to go to battle for Jill and insist Ramona was acting like some kind of monster for not caving in to these same idiotic demands of Jill’s which they themselves already agreed were wrong. How can any of them not see this? And how can that jackass Andy Cohen not ever bring it up to any of them?

      Or maybe they do realize how hypocritical they’re being and are just such hateful bitches that they’re willing to publicly contradict themselves in order to attack and upset Ramona? I suppose that’s the more likely scenario. Well, for LuAnn at least. Kelly is both insane and stupid, so with her you never know.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      I actually used to think she was normal until she became a (cough) “successful” recording artist and author. That is when she became a total joke in my eyes.

    • nathania says:

      yeah it’s like,” Dear Countess:

      Bethenny was funny.

      You are just a bitch.”

  36. Melissa says:

    Jill for the most part didn’t bug me as much this episode. Early in the episode, she turned on the dramatics but so did Ramona, I honestly couldn’t understand why they both took it to that level, why can’t they both just calm down and hash it out like rational adults? But I guess that would make them normal and not as interesting. Plus, during that gloomy dinner from hell, Jill was the only one that welcomed Alex with a smile and even before Alex walked in, when Kelly and Luann were slamming Alex, Jill even attempted to steer the convo away by asking “I had a great day, anyone wanna hear?” or something similar. At this point Luann is far worse than Jill, she seems angry at the world.

    • ann says:

      IA on Luann. But I hate Jill’s fake welcoming smiles.

      • Smompy says:

        Actually, Ramona did stay surprisingly calm. She didn’t break down until after Jill threw her hissy fit and stormed out. During that scene with Jill in her room, Ramona didn’t raise her voice or call Jill any names or anything.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          Talk about acting. The poses Jill was striking during the fight with Ramona were KILLING me. She must have practiced in the mirror for hours.

        • Melissa says:

          ann:I know but she’s at least trying…let’s hope.
          Smompy:Ramona was calm to a point but she didn’ allow Jill to speak her mind and i think she should’ve of at least let her speak no matter how ridiculous her thoughts were.

          • Smompy says:

            Melissa, I’m sorry but I have to disagree with you. I just perused that scene again, for the third time, and Ramona did in fact let Jill speak. Plenty. Jill actually did the vast majority of the talking (read screeching) during that scene. The scene opens with Jill screaming at Ramona and stamping her feet while threatening to end their alleged friendship once and for all. Ramona sits there calmly and listens. When Ramona does eventually realize that Jill will not listen or consider any ideas but her own, Ramona calmly asks to end the discussion. This brings up another screaming fit from Jill, which ends with Jill telling Ramona, “This is not about you, this is about ME!!!” From there Jill tries to blame Ramona for ruining her chance to fix her relationship with Bethenny, an idea which Ramona does indeed respond to. She does interrupt Jill in refuting this point to some degree, BUT Jill was still able to say everything she wanted to stay. In the end, Ramona just kept calmly telling Jill she would not and did not agree with what was being said, but she tried to hug Jill and remain on friendly terms while Jill attacked, attacked, and attacked. Jill and Ramona did each speak over each other a few times (there was FAR more of this on Jill’s part, though) during the scene, but I don’t think it’s really accurate at all to say that Ramona didn’t allow Jill to speak or get her feelings out. She absolutely did try to do just that. Jill said all she wanted to say, and when she started repeating herself and getting off subject for the umpteenth time, Ramona very calmly ended the talk. IMO she dealt with that obnoxious, lying harpy a whole hell of a lot more kindly, generously and calmly than anyone who know’s Jill could have expected her to.

            BTW, this entire scene is available on Hulu, Youtube, Dailmotion (probably Bravo) etc. if anyone would like to watch it again.

            • Melissa says:

              Thanks for the detailed recap, I honestly wasn’t able to keep up with all the yelling and over the top dramatics, I may have even zoned out a few times with the mish-mash of choppy editing, but If it was how you said it happened, Jill has definitely done it again. I need to re-watch the entire episode but it’s seriously a drag to do so lately. Every hw shows are now about hystrionics, verbal abuse, assaults and just plain madness. I long for the earlier seasons when it was just simple everyday lives of women living glamorous lives.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        I know deep down inside Jill hates Alex, but I truly believe that for much of this season she was trying her best to be nice. Whether it was for the audience or from her heart – she was trying – and she hasn’t made one snide remark on camera about Alex since they made up. All of her negative energy is / was focused on Ramona – and she usually picks one victim at a time. Off camera – real time – she’s her same old self, and it’s clear she can barely control herself in her blogs and tweets.

        • Melissa says:

          I suppose you’re right about that, she does seem to pick an enemy and try to isolate that individual against all so maybe befriending Alex was a part of her scheme, geez I feel I’m going to go crazy just trying to figure out these psychotic women.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Also Jill is getting far less screen time lately. She is very wisely laying low. That always makes her more likable to me.

  37. Okie Folkie says:

    Good afternoon everyone!

    Is anyone else having issues with this site crashing today? I’ve been trying to catch up and 4 times Firefox has crashed while I am here. I am very tech-challenged, and really dont know what to do…..

    • ihearttalavera says:

      I haven’t had any problems at all since the update. I use a Macbook with Safari browser though. Good luck Okie!

      • Okie Folkie says:

        Thanks iheart! I sure dont want this to continue crashing. I worry that I will break my computer and I wont be able to hang & snark with alla ya’ll.

        I dont wanna end up out in the ether……

        • ihearttalavera says:

          No, we don’t want that! Maybe you need to do a browser update or try a different browser? OR… kick it???? I’m sure you’ve rebooted a time or two. 😉

          • Okie Folkie says:

            I did update today! boo-hoo! And it keeps crashing! I just crashed again. I dont know anything about changing browsers….and really dont know anyone who knows.

            Thanks, iheart! I hope this (crashing) will end soon. If it keeps crashing, I dont know WHAT I will do if I cant be here.

            • Okie Folkie says:

              PLEASE FORGIVE ME! As soon as I got my previous post, posted…. my system CRASHED…UUUGGGH-gin!

              I’m’a feared! IF THIS CRASHING PROBLEM continues, will it ‘BREAK’, (kill, or make my ‘puter dead)???

              I used to use I.E., then some similar problems forced me to change over to Firefox, that all happened a couppla years ago. Only today this ‘puter has crashed more than 10 time on this site, today.

              Yeah, my laptop (H.P.) is several years old. Reckon IF its my BOX or FIREFOX, & I.E.?

              Are there any other BROWSERS available?
              I am beginning to miss everyone HERE, already. As, I cant buy a new ‘puter, for awhile.

              ANY ADVICE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, by me! 😉

              Would runnin’ a defrag & the lil broom thingy help?

              I will continue to TRY to get here & post, if it will allow me.

              TYVM for ANY help!
              OKIE-FOLKIE

              FOR ALL YOU TECHNO-SAVVY friends

              • ihearttalavera says:

                Okie, I don’t know much. But what about Google Chrome? Also try clearing your history and cookies. I know it’s so frustrating. Hang in there!

                • Caitlin says:

                  Yeah, Google Chrome saved me from having to ditch this p.c. and get a new one – and that was 9 months ago.

  38. lillybee says:

    I think two of the brunettes offered to go upstairs and tell the blondes that dinner was ready and Lulu shut them down.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I think LuLu felt like they were blowing her off and she was seething from the diss – and then when Alex walked in she was so furious that she was obviously wrong that she snapped at Alex and drove her out of the room. It’s pretty funny that she couldn’t hold it together. OK – not so funny. She’s probably awful to her kids.

      • codystl says:

        That whole dinner at 8 bugs me. If three of the guests did not arrive “on time”, wouldn’t a good hostess go see if anything was the matter? No, she just sat on her ass and became indignant.

        • klmh says:

          It was interesting because she said Ramona and Alex asked for their dinner upstairs and didn’t mention Sonya. Im pretty sure about that anyway. S. is a friend and she didn’t want to say anything against her I guess.

  39. quincyil says:

    Where is @gingerzarin She left in Feb. came back in April and is MIA again. I think She is put under armed guard in a kennel at the rehab center that Alley wanted to go to in Seaon One.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Hopefully she checked herself into a doggie spa for an extended vacation from JZ. She’s earned it.

  40. TLM says:

    Luann just creeps me out, period. She’s dressing in some costume for Sonja’s lameass costume party and I swear she looks and sounds like a pre-op transsexual.

  41. housewifeaddict says:

    I have to laugh at Jill’s declaration that Ramona, Alex, and Bethenny don’t have a friendship because they don’t tweet each other. Is public tweeting the new sign that people are friends? Jill, Jill, Jill. Pseudo-celebrity tweets are ways for you to announce how important or interesting your are, or for you to pretend to be friends with someone. Dollars to donuts you don’t tweet any of your real friends.

    • ihearttalavera says:

      Right. Don’t most people just pick up the phone and call their friends? Ridiculous. Jill has to tweet because nobody will give her their phone number.

    • quincyil says:

      Well, this morning, Alex took one of my tweets and retweeted it to Sonja and Ramona so we know Alex has a tweet relationship in public with them.

      I have seen tweets between Alex and Bethenny and I remember tweets from Ramona and Bethenny.

      Let’s use Jill logic for a moment:

      Jill and Bobby do not tweet each other therefore they have no relationship.

      Back to normal….. You can have a friendship without tweeting.

      • Nancy says:

        Q,
        Remember a while back when I said that IMHO Jill and Bobby don’t have a real romantic kind of marriage and I thought it was more of a “father figure” type? You disagreed with me. Why then did Jill say on their “Trip of a life time” (during the talk about having several wives and girl friends) etc…”I’d like that (meaning Jill would only have to have sex with Bobby once a month)? I do not think Jill and Bobby have a romantic relationship at all. She resents Ramona and Alex because they do.

        • Nancy says:

          Not trying to beat a dead horse (and where did that saying come from anyway?)
          but thats where Jill’s little twitter dig cam from about Ramona “soft porn” on next weeks episode.
          God I “hate” her and Lynn!

          • ihearttalavera says:

            Okay, Nancy. I looked this up. WARNING: Kind of boring.

            First, from http://www.phrases.org.uk:
            flog (or beat) a dead horse. Though he supported the measure, British politician and orator John Bright thought the Reform Bill of 1867, which called for more democratic representation, would never be passed by Parliament. Trying to rouse Parliament from its apathy on the issue, he said in a speech, would be like trying to ‘flog a dead horse’ to make it pull a load. This is the first recorded use of the expression, which is still common for ‘trying to revive interest in an apparently hopeless issue.’ Bright’s silver tongue is also responsible for ‘England is the mother of Parliament,’ and ‘Force is not a remedy,’ among other memorable quotations. He was wrong about the Reform Bill of 1867, however. Parliament ‘carried’ it, as the British say.” From the “Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins” by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997.)
            UsingEnglish.com defines “beating a dead horse” the same way, with an actual dead horse.

            However, I have also heard it came from sailors:
            A dead horse was the seaman’s term for the first month at sea, a month for which he was already paid and spent the money soon afterwards. To the seaman, with his money gone, he was working that first month “for free.” To mark the end of this “dead horse” month, the crew would make an effigy of a dead horse, beat the thing, and dump it overboard in celebration. To officers on the ship, beating a dead horse described the difficulty in getting the crew to do any extra work during this first month at sea.
            I heard this on “Says You” (a show on NPR) and later found someone posted this on some forum.

            • Nancy says:

              Thank-you. You have just educated my husband and me.
              You have NO idea how rare that is in this house because my husband knows
              everything about everything. I call him Einstein but HE thinks it’s a compliment.
              I even have my friends calling him that and of course he answers to it.
              My fiends and I have to leave the room fast because we are cracking up.

          • Nancy says:

            OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            I meant LuMan NOT Lynn.
            10 yrs bad luck for me.

          • nathania says:

            I think the simple answer to that question is it originates from the grand agrarian tradition of working draft animals to death, basically. Sometimes they are really not that oblique. The Amish still farm in the old ways in this country, so they would understand what it means in a present day sense unlike all of us who were born after the invention of tractors, etc.

        • quincyil says:

          In the begiinning of season two Jill and her mom discussed Silex being joined at the hip, Jill admitted that she and Bobby are not. . I think some people talk, but don’t demonstrate and some people do neither.

          Jill ran to him and he held here on St. John’s after warking the plank and at the wedding in episode 2 of season four Bobby held Jill when Ramona and Alex were coming. I think they are close, but they talk about on TV, but don’t show it.

          Brad’s lady friend talked to Ramona and she seemed to think Jill and Bobby had a good relationship. Ramons would have disputed it at that time if is was untrue.

          Despite Simon’s tweets, I don’t think Ramona should be on TV in a negligee rubbing her husband.’s body in front of cameras to be shown on national TV. i would not call is soft porn.

          At the lunch with the brunettes on the first day of Marrakesh, what was that discussion of porn with ordinary people? Was Cindy discussing this film of Ramona and Mario?

          The editors don’t have to follow the timeline that things were filmed. We have heard that they sometimes change things around.

          • Nancy says:

            That remark was made by Jill saying you can get soft porn on cable TV.
            Say you are right and everything is A OK at home with Jill And Bobby,
            so why is Jill so nasty? Happy people don’t act like that. I have to believe something is wrong at home.
            I do agree with you re: Ramona’s “soft porn”. I find it offensive. The only PDA my husband and I do is hold hands. But in Ramona’s defense she wouldn’t be doing this if it weren’t for Jill/LuMan’s little stint
            with the “fortune teller”. I really didn’t think they would stoop so low.

    • Melissa says:

      Did she really say that, And how old is she again? She’s gone without tweeting 50yrs of her life, does that mean she had no friends all those years?…oh wait.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        She said that you never see Bethenny tweeting or talking about Alex or Ramona even though they were supposed to be “best friends”. She’s very childish. I don’t think any of them claimed to be BFF but she’s clearly jealous still.

        • WindyCityWondering says:

          Jill is monitoring Bethenny’s tweets? So Jill is cyber stalking Bethenny? Jill is sadly a very jealous, friendless individual.

      • MAMAZ says:

        I met a woman who graduated with Jill Zarin. She told me she couldn’t remember her. She called some of her old classmates and they couldn’t remember her either. She dug out her old yearbook and looked her up, STILL had no recollection of Jill at all.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          You know what I call that? Lucky.

        • Melissa says:

          Verrry interesting, I think it may explain alot about Jill and how she bullys people. Maybe she’s trying to compensate for the time when she was ignored and isolated by treating others the way she’s been treated.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Ha!

  42. quincyil says:

    Do you think they have the book “Alice in Wonderland” in Australia? The Gingerettes are a group of high school students that Jill says hello to on twitter and they are calling her “our Red Queen.” Well, I called her “The Red Queen” in the season four fantasy story here and said you would call out, “Off with your hear! Off with your head:” when she would purger her twitter and facebook fans.

    They could call her that because there were Red and White Queens in the War of Roses that lasted over one hundred years in Britain, but those Queens slaughtered a lot of people too.

    Jill thanked them so I bet she never read the book to Ally. Too busy dating Bobby is my guess…..

    • AZ Girl says:

      Jill does not read….she is too famous for that! I swear her education level is 8th grade and we already know her emotional level is highschool

    • housewifeaddict says:

      The book calls her the Queen of Hearts, but the recent movie of Alice in Wonderland called her the Red Queen – the young Australian girls would have probably seen the movie. She was not a likeable character in the movie – so the reference doesn’t quite make sense (for the fans to use).

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Does anybody know what she did in Australia that she has all of these young fans? Did she buy them all iphones? Life time supply of lip gloss? WHAT?

  43. MAMAZ says:

    Being compared to the Red Queen is no compliment.
    Do you think they know what a bitch JZ is and like her in spite of her meanness? Are they just being ironic, pretending to like her?

    • quincyil says:

      I think they sincerely like her, but have no idea what it means. She might know. The Red Queen was the most vicious person in that story.

      • AZ Girl says:

        As long as Jill see’s her name anywhere she is happy regardless of the reference. Jillzy is just to busy to understand that she just put herself down in public.

        • ihearttalavera says:

          Too busy being fake.

          • MAMAZ says:

            I would love to talk to some of these young women and ask them what it is they like about JZ.
            Is it just because she’s on TV? Do they think she’s strong? Do they buy into the whole “I’m not mean just brutaly honest” line that is so popular these days?
            WHAT CAN YOU POSSIBLY ADMIRE ABOUT JILL ZARIN???????????

            • ihearttalavera says:

              Me too! I think I would actually pay money. I would put together some sort of presentation of all of her lies and deceptions, tweets, RHW scenes, the Bethenny war, etc. And then ask them to please, please explain it to me. I really need to understand. It fascinates me.

              • housewifeaddict says:

                I don’t think they’d listen. There are people that fall in love with serial killers who are incarcerated. Sometimes there is no explaining things.

                • MAMAZ says:

                  I wouldn’t even try to change their minds I would just like one concrete example of something admirable that JZ has done. One selfless thing, one simple act of kindness performed without any thought to what she’d get in return.

                  • ihearttalavera says:

                    Right. I don’t want to change their minds, I just want to understand. But I don’t think I ever will. It will all be white noise. I might end up like Kelly in a fetal position eating gummy bears and sedatives. Too risky.

                • ihearttalavera says:

                  I think you’re right. It would be like trying to make sense of a drunk or crazy person. I need to let the dream die. *sigh*

            • Nancy says:

              That is what I ask V-NY? I’m still not 100% sure he is truly on board with us.

  44. Arya Stark says:

    http://jillzarin.com/2011/06/11/jill-zarin-episode-10-exclusive-blog/

    What the hell? Is this Jill’s super secret blog, out there on the web for all to see without signing up? Or is there another super secret ‘newsletter’ out there as well? Note, NOT ASKING FOR DETAILS HERE!

    The editors this season are trying to force a storyline that just isn’t working, instead of highlighting the gold the DO have! The bozo Lulu was rude to everyone for the entire trip, a power trip for the Countless, and she was actually ridiculous, and it would have made for a great “line.” For example, at that dinner, she was not only incredibly controlling, classless, manner-less, rude, and LYING about the blondes knowing, but she ALSO was rude to the brunettes! She storms off, ENDS DINNER while crazy Kelly has a forkful of food 1/2 way to her mouth. It was funny as hell. Cindy stands there not knowing what to do, so she grabs her wine from the table. The Countless is bright red, neck muscles pulsing away, in a complete fury, so consumed by her RAGE that she doesn’t even notice Kelly sitting there like a confused moron, unsure about whether she can eat her dinner or must leave.

    That should have been the story for this trip! Luann ruining everything because she got a tiny bit of power, and couldn’t stop herself from ruining everyone’s fun, AND DINNER.

    Instead we get this crap about the Brunettes being classy and appreciative and culturally sensitive, and the Blondes being rude, drunk, bitchy, demanding, and out of control? WHAT?

    In Alex’s blog she talks about Luann screaming and harassing the staff. We see none of that.

    We see the brunettes clutch their pearls at the fashion choices of the blondes? PUT A SHAWL ON! LOOK AT WHAT RAMONA BROUGHT! ETC. ETC. But who jogs out in essentially a bra and panties? KELLY. Who wears short-booty shorts on a camel ride and to the tent? CINDY. Who has bare shoulders walking at night though the souk? LUANN.

    Gimme a break BRAVO.
    I ain’t buying what you are selling.
    Get new editors PRONTO.

    Is this all because Ramona actually did slap a producer and they are getting even?

    Ramona is not a drunk, and some hired fortune teller saying that Mario has another woman is not a “story.”

    Oh, and Jill’s grubby little fingerprints are all over this. New producers falling for her “act?” Maybe so.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      I’d like to know the story about the change in producers. I wonder if it had something to do with Kelly and scary island. Someone mentioned she was chanting a producers name over and over again – and she’s gone out of her way to say how comfortable she feels with this year’s producers.
      It’s no big surprise that if they like someone, they’ll give them a better edit – but at the same time I don’t think LuLu or Kelly came off well in the last episode. I think producers hate them all – but go with specific story lines and for Morocco it was the rude blondes.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        I have wondered if Bravo changed production companies because of the SJVI incident as well.

    • MAMAZ says:

      I think they are counting on our anger. They know Jill is a hag and LuMann a John Waters reject run amok. They know Kelly is certifiable.
      But……
      On 20/20 Andy likened the franchise to a soap opera.
      On All My Children Erica Kane/Susan Lucci was a fan favorite for how many years? I haven’t watched that show since I was a teen but I can’t remember anyone else. None of the nice girls.
      Ugly sells. As long as we watch we ARE buying what they are selling.

      • ihearttalavera says:

        Okay, I have this 20/20 and RHWNY on the dvr. I’ve only seen bits and pieces of this week’s episode. I’m going to watch them both now so ‘ll be back later. And I’m sure I’ll be angry. Have a great evening everyone!

    • Nancy says:

      Another thing that was strange about “that” dinner was when Alex entered the “browns” had a FULL plate in front of them so obviously dinner wasn’t served 11/2 hours ago LuMan!
      Does she really think the public thinks highly of her? She is making a complete ass of herself.
      So is Jill. Kelly…don’t get me started. She belongs in a hospital.
      Didn’t the producers of this “show” see Kelly’s eyes during her little “speech” to (not with) Alex?
      She was really close to another SI melt down.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        It was interesting that she lost control over such a little thing. She was crazier than Kelly! And then for her to pretend she was nothing but nice on WWHL was just plain silly. Denial much LuLu. I knew she was really stuck up – but I didn’t realize until this year that she really had something wrong with her.

        • Nancy says:

          Obviously she is very insecure. So is Jill. Thats what cracks me up.
          They both are very unhappy unfulfilled “women”.

        • Caitlin says:

          What is worse, to me, than the Countess denying her “digs” etc., is her repeated assertions of how hard she worked to put this “trip of a lifetime” together for her so-called friends. And, you know, they diss and diss and diss Ramona, but did we – even once – hear Ramona moaning about how hard she worked to put the St. Johns trip together? Of course not! Because saying such a thing is about the most ungracious thing one can do. Take THAT in your etiquette book Luann!!!

        • floridagirl88 says:

          The woman’s got nothing. She is countless with a delinquent daughter, a boy toy, an over-autotuned single and a book that didn’t make the bestseller’s list. She has no business to promote, no talent, nothing but that attitude. We see you LuMan, we see you.

      • nathania says:

        she really, really does.
        more proof she’s a narcissist
        they can’t imagine it any other way.

        her comment at the end about being ‘coach’ of her high school softball team seems to affirm this.

        which is ridiculous and I am sure she meant she was the captain and was doing the coach.

        soooooooooo typical. she’s a high school mean girl entering the phase of her life that is just going to suck. so nasty and bitter and seems to believe that the way to cope is to take it out on everyone else, especially someone as genuinely content as Alex. that’s what her issue is with alex…of all the wives, alex ‘has it all’. she has her soulmate, her kids, a normal conscience, and she values what she has. lou ann can’t imagine actually being happy.

  45. AZ Girl says:

    Well Jill has been really eating up a storm. Every day lunches and dinner’s out. Thanks to her girdle line she should be fine. But French Toast made with Challa bread soaked milk, eggs, oj, and vanilla and ROLLED IN FROSTED FLAKES? Holy smokes. Head’s up Jillzy you going to pack on so serious weight if you don’t cut back. No amount of Diet Coke (which is high in sodium) will help.
    I feel for Ramona because she knows what it is like to go through menopause and struggle with keeping the weight off. That french toast recipe would NOT be a part of my diet now or in the past. Ridiculous to tweet something so gross as french toast rolled in frosted flakes.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      If she puts that in a cookbook, I don’t think she’d be able to sell many copies.

  46. V-NY says:

    For the people upthread:
    Kelly was using the word ‘casino’ in the appropriate context. I can’t remember who translated it, but she was correct upthread. I knew what she meant, and I felt that she was spicing up her inglese;I am fluent in Italian.
    Casino can also mean brothel as well, but I would use ‘bordello’ to denote a brothel, but it also is synonomous to a scene. Casino=Scenate=Bordello= big scene/spectacle.

    • V-NY says:

      Correction
      **cansino is not a brothel**

      Alla festa c’era un bordello- at the party there was a scene(a lot happening)
      C’era un casino alla festa- there was a scene at the party(or madness)
      Quando la coppia litigava, tutti li hanno guardato perche era un casino! -When the couple was arguing, everyone saw then because it was a scene!

      • V-NY says:

        or…..Le puttane di Via Luigi Esposito adranno a lavorare ad un bordello vicino alla chiesia di Santa Rita. The prostitutes of Luigi Espositio street will be working at the brothel next to St. Rita’s church.

        • Smompy says:

          Nobody I know, and that includes a lot of people from Italy, have ever used the expression “you caused a casino in all this craziness” in my presence, as Kelly did. I’m related to people who call the little cottage on their property a casino, and I can’t say the word doesn’t have other connotations in various parts of Italy or elsewhere, but I seriously doubt that Kelly was using that word as any Italian person would, or that she was being in any way culturally sophisticated. I can ask my dog what’s on the outside of a tree and if I ask him loud enough he may correctly reply to me, “BARK,” but I don’t think he’d really know what he was saying. And my dog is considerably smarter than Kelly, so….

          Anyway, her “causing a casino” thing wasn’t nearly as amusing to me as her reference to Santa Claus fixing her tattoo. For some reason that one had me rolling on the floor. I remember watching a 1950s low budget Japanese movie called “Prince of Space” on MST3K, and when the evil alien overlord was landing in a field in Japan, the frightened little Japanese children who were watching the whole thing suddenly yelled out, “Holy Santa, pray for us!”

          That was funny, but Kelly’s Santa thing was funnier to me.
          🙂

          • V-NY says:

            Neopolitans use casino to denote to a scene or madness; my family uses it all the time. It’s probably a reflection of a particular region’s vernacular and how they use certain phrases. I’ve been to Italy numerous times and I’ve heard casino used.

            • V-NY says:

              Casino-(lit- brothel)
              1) mess
              2) racket; fuss

              This comes from the dictionary of Italian slang and colloquial expressions.

              • V-NY says:

                mamma mia!! Oggi sono andato alla spiaggia ed c’era un casio perche c’era tanta gente. Almeno c’era lo spazzio e potevo restarmi sulla sabbia et mi sono abbronzato.

                OMG..Today I went to the beach and there was a racket because there were many people. At least there was space I was able to stay on the sand ,and I got a tan.

                • V-NY says:

                  mamma mia!! Oggi sono andato alla spiaggia ed c’era un casino perche c’era tanta gente. Almeno c’era lo spazzio e potevo restarmi sulla sabbia et mi sono abbronzato.

                  OMG..Today I went to the beach and there was a racket because there were many people. At least there was space I was able to stay on the sand ,and I got a tan.

                  • TLM says:

                    V-NY: Would love to write to you & chat about Italian! Enjoyed your posts. If you like, you can get my email from Lynn!

          • chris says:

            Smompy…very funny! I think Kelly’s addled brain is a “receiver” of random thoughts generated by other people. Maybe she picked up on someone who actually spoke Italian who was thinking ‘e un casino’ or whatever the proper translation is. Or maybe she’s channeling the devil…

  47. addictedtobravo says:

    we all are pretty much on the same page about Luann but she really got under my skin this episode. I just really find her to be insufferably obnoxious. It has dawned on me that it makes perfect sense that she is bonding so well with Kelly because she lives in her own world too! She has actually created an image of herself in her own mind that she is terribly refined and condescends to the rest of the world merely in the hope of educating us on how to behave.
    Reality is:
    ~no one with real class would appear on a reality show
    ~no one with real class would scold others about their manners
    ~no one with real class would hang around with Jill Zarin or Cindy Barbore
    ~No one with class talks about it and in fact finds interesting topics to discuss
    So, anyone with a healthy psyche is left to watch Luann, Kelly and Jill with a constant sense of WTF. Not only are Kelly and Jill diagnosable, but Luann is definitely a psychological mess as well. I wish we had a psychologist on the board here who would weigh in with some insight…

    I’ll try my amateur stuff:
    Jill – Malignant Narcissist
    Kelly- Schizoid or some kind of dis-associative disorder
    LuAnn – Insecure Bitch …lol don’t know the technical term

    • Nancy says:

      A+ Very well done!!!!!

    • Nancy says:

      LuMan is a passive agressive and narcissist.

    • Melissa says:

      I have to agree, the thing is, I used to “like” Luann, -excuse me Uh that left a bad taste in my mouth.., but I actually believed her class- B.S and was pleased to see someone on TV encouraging people to observe manners and etiquette, if I knew then what I know now. I didn’t quite understand then, when B called her a snake, oh was she right.
      Watching her having a holier than thou moment with Alex, lecturing her about dinner time that she wasn’t aware of? Scolding both her and R, and just a second ago bad mouthing them, What is she? I don’t even know.
      Who is she kidding really? You said right, no woman with real class (and dignity) would ever be on a reality show.
      I know this is an “I hate Jill” blog but Luann is the one that drives me off the edge.

      • TLM says:

        I *so* think Bethenny had Luann’s number a long time ago, just like she had Kelly’s number long before I knew why. I actually thought B was giving Kelly a hard time for no reason, way back in the beginning. Little did we know!!!

        I think it’s fascinating that even though B had the craziest childhood, she actually has more of a level head on her shoulders than most of these other women.

        • Melissa says:

          I know, the only thing I fault B for was for her to ever think Kelly was sane enough to “get” her Madonna comment, as we witnessed, she payed for it numerous times afterwards, mainly at “Scary island”. I can’t figure at how these women, Alex/Ramona/Sonja can treat Kelly normally after bearing witness to that amount of craziness, I would be too freaked out if she ever came near me after all of that.
          I’m sure B is NOT looking back.

    • TLM says:

      I always think Lu-man and KKB have bonded because they share the “former model” distinction. I think they regard themselves on a par with Cindy Crawford and Christie Brinkley, part of that whole sorority. They also both married French guys and therefore think that automatically makes them more sophisticated than everyone else. It’s a whole mutual admiration society going on there. Someone give me a barf bag.

  48. A tweet from Cat:

    catommanney @BravoAndy darling,u tell me why so many want me to move to #RHWNY? I don’t think the Countless could handle it, do you?? #realitycheck

  49. WindyCityWondering says:

    The Morocco dinner that wasn’t – this was to be LuAnn’s finest moment, presiding at the head of the table….. Alas, she forgot to invite half the guests, didn’t have control of the bores that were actually sitting there and then lost the run of herself! It is not hard work to tell someone (staff) to prepare a traditional Moroccan dinner for seven to be served at eight (see I just did it but I would have said please).
    But LuAnn’s Moroccan Massacre is funny when watched again – Alex escaped with a salad. Sonja didn’t even make it all the way into the room. Ramona with her darlings and then bringing down the snack dishes.When LuAnn announces dinner is done and Kelly leaped out of her chair and didn’t know what to do and Cindy with her perpetual WTH look on her face just grabbed her wine and headed for the exit I was laughing so hard!
    Class with the countess – not so much. Clash with the countess – oh hell yeah!

    • AddictedtoBravo says:

      And then after watching herself she goes on WWHL and CONTINUES . Instead of crawling back in the cabinet she came out of or acknowledging her poor behavior and explaining she just goes on

    • quincyil says:

      Sonja was really great on the trip. She was suffereing quietly over her financial situation, but did not let it spoil the good times of her companions. She stayed away from conflict and had fun whenever she could . I love that.

      • AddictedtoBravo says:

        me too

      • VAgirl says:

        Sonja seems to know when it’s worth the effort to stand up to the ladies and when it’s not. . She stood on the sidelines and provided support when needed because she knew if she did what Alex did, it would not have helped the situation at all. That’s what I like about her.I

    • Nancy says:

      I am dying laughing. I’m watching the last episode of their “Trip of a life time” and I can’t help but laugh.
      Their behavior is so bad it’s like watching a comedy act. These are “ladies in their 40’s.

      • TLM says:

        I can’t help but think of Brianna at the OC finale quipping, “I’m in my TWENTIES and we don’t even do this shit!” LOL.

    • nathania says:

      my heart kind of broke for sonya. she mostly just wants to have a good time. she had a fabulous life and now she’s a bit pedestrian but as long as there are laughs I think she’ll roll with it. this was sooooooooooo beneath her, and she absolutely did not want to fight. I bet she did not even have any fight in her on this trip…

      it actually makes me kind of sad watching that scene, the way she just turns and walks away.

    • floridagirl88 says:

      I still think Sonja avoided the drama and just went to the kitchen to get something to eat. It was absurd of LuMan to think she could control the food. So they didn’t make it to diner on time. Was she saying that their punishment was to do directly to bed with no supper? Come on now.

  50. Adgirl says:

    Upthread nancy said: Jill’s little twitter dig came from about Ramona “soft porn”.
    Jill and Kelly (in my opinion) have rather odd reactions to sex.

    Kelly wants everybody cover up and SHHHHHHH about sex, except for her! To me she seems like she really isn’t interested in sex, but she wears short skirts for male attention. It’s her entire self-value system (that and being considered cool),
    Jill talk about other people’s sex llives. Alex is spread eagle. Ramona is engaging in soft porn. Jill puts down married couples enjoying themselves while she preens about using BJs for barter in her marriage. Conversely, Jill tells Kelly her boobs look nice and Ramona was hot dancing. Is Jill more interested in women?
    The she and Sonja should have the college age exploration they missed out on.

    • VAgirl says:

      And don’t forget her comment when the guide was talking about concubines about how it would be nice to only have to have sex once a month.

    • quincyil says:

      Jill’s idea of being a friends is to give compliments about how people look. She did that with Alex when she arrived to smoke the peace lists. She did it with Bethenny at the restaurant at the end of season three with potato latkes.

      Jill is extremely concerened about how women look. That is why she is so affected by the birth mark of her step daughter.

      • Smompy says:

        Yeah, I notice that a lot of them do this….compliment each other about the way they look as soon as they see each other, and Jill does it more than anyone, especially when she’s planning to say something nasty afterward. It’s similar to the way Luann always couches her biggest insults inside unrelated observational comments. I see no reason to believe that she’s especially affected by her stepdaughter;s appearance, though. She did make her crybaby face while the stepdaughter was speaking, but Jill is so completely dishonest about her true emotions, I never interpret the face she puts on for the public/camera to have any real meaning myself..

    • Nancy says:

      Adgirl,
      Something is really wrong with Kelly in the sex dept.. I wonder if Gills had affair’s on her (or is that a given)? She flirted with Max but I think we can say that is where it ended. (Way to go Sonja)
      Kelly is always talking about sex in a weird way. (just like you said) I don’t think she is very “skilled” in the bedroom. I think she act’s innocent on purpose when sex is brought up for attention. But something just isn’t right.
      Re: Jill…as I posted unthread, I don’t think Jill And Bobby have a healthy sex life but I don’t think that is because she is gay. I think she married him for his money and that alone. She does her “wifely duty”
      and calls it a day. Remember the rumor that was going around that JIll had an affair on Bobby? I don’t think it was a rumor. The “woman” is evil in my book.

      • WindyCityWondering says:

        Ah yes, rumors of Jill seen about town with a man other than the one that was in the hospital getting cut ear to ear! Jill married money and Bawby was just part of the deal.

  51. quincyil says:

    @catommanney has an interesting twitter line to share.

    She watches the shows and comments to Andy Cohen.

  52. Zarout! says:

    I would just like to go on record stating that a few blogs ago, I stated that I think Bethenny might be pregnant again due to her jowls becoming more pronounced. Now, I’m seeing reports in the media speculating that she may, in fact, be preggers again.. I’m telling you, her face gives it away from day one I think. For me, it was my nose. The second I was pregnant, it went from a two lane road to an 8 land highway!

    • Zarout! says:

      I would just like to go on record stating that a few blogs ago, I stated that I think Bethenny might be pregnant again due to her jowls becoming more pronounced. Now, I’m seeing reports in the media speculating that she may, in fact, be preggers again.. I’m telling you, her face gives it away from day one I think. For me, it was my nose. The second I was pregnant, it went from a two lane road to an 8 lane highway!

      • Zarout! says:

        hmm, went to fix 8 land to 8 lane and the whole thing carried over again. Sorry about that 🙂

  53. violachica says:

    just saw an article about Cindy Barshop and how she’s being accused of discrimination by a former employee o_O
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/axing_for_waxing_P4JI9LoqPMkkNG2CttA0xM#ixzz1OuGtiIoX

    • Arya Stark says:

      I don’t like Cindy at ALL, but I don’t give a lot of credence to this kind of lawsuit after “the boss” gets on TV. It may be true, it may not be true. Parts of it may be true. If she was paying under the table (didn’t it imply that?) she could be in deep shit. Was the woman paid a beginner’s salary while they saw if she worked out, thus made “less” than people with more experience? I just kind of have a hard time with Cindy having a problem with a black person working for her.

      Or, maybe it’s all true, and Cindy is a racist asshole.

      Let’s see if it actually goes to court, and what happens when the facts are out there.

      • TLM says:

        I agree Arya, I’m withholding judgment until more comes out about it or it’s resolved.

        My initial thoughts are that the timing is quite interesting…it could be that this employee sees a potential goldmine. She might have threatened to sue hoping for a quick payday, and if Cindy felt it was baseless she may have said, go ahead and sue. Personally I will say it seems really odd that a business that was racist would bother to hire a black person in the first place if they really didn’t want them there. And I actually think foreign women of all ethnicities are common in the hair removal/spa biz – at least whenever I see these salons on tv, since I don’t go to them, the technicians are almost always foreign and there is a mix of races.

        BUT, there is always the possibility that what this woman is saying is true. We shall see.

        • violachica says:

          yah i agree re: timing. seems wonky.
          just thought it was interesting. it’s actually some of the only cindy-related press i’ve seen other than “cindy’s really boring”, hangergate, blah blah

        • Debbie says:

          I could be wrong but didn’t the article say she applied online and interview was done over the phone. If that’s the case they might have never seen her until she arrived in NY.

        • floridagirl88 says:

          Maybe she just wants to get paid for the work she did…

      • nathania says:

        she sure isn’t keeping good company hanging around with KKK and Lou ann whose daughter is apparently aspiring for the Aryan Resistance or something. She should have chosen better friends on the show…nothing would surprise me at this point.

  54. LOLing says:

    I don’t know why the media is making anything about the ratings! To me it’s common sense. Yes, Bethenney was arguably the most popular HW when she was on and clearly she is the breakout star of the franchise and I would argue, the network as a whole. However, much as people love Bethenney, they still watched a show w/ 4 or 5 other woman on it and surely most have a second and third fave! Like a sports team (ex Lynn and the BRUINS! :)) You root for the hometown team, but always have a backup you’re invested in. (*****NOTE TO LYNN: I HATE the Blackhawks AND the Bruins. I am a FLYERS fan. ‘Nuff said. ;)*****) So, yeah you love B, but are you going to not tune in to see what the other ladies are doing? Plus, it’s not like some scandal sent B away, she got her own show. She’s still there! No need to dump the other women!

    That being said, Bethenney does have haters. Not as many as Jill or Luann, but there are people who do not like B. So, they are still watching NYHW, as well as people can take or leave Bethenney. Now that the repeats are on NBC daytime and these shows and their stars get so much press and word of mouth, people will pick it up and a lot get hooked. Obviously BGM and BEA are going to have lower ratings then HWs b/c of what I said above, Bethenney haters and those who can take her or leave her. I love Bethenney, but I will admit sometimes a WHOLE show of her is enough! 😉

    And really? Bethenney is the most successful and more than likely wealthiest of them all. She sells products and that’s what counts. As long as the numbers are respectable, I am sure she is fine w/ it! I also think she is savvy enough at this point to understand the ratings process and sees the press for what it is. Jill is soooo bitter!

  55. quincyil says:

    I found Kendra’s house from Million Dollar Decorating.

    http://realestalker.blogspot.com/

    Kendra’s husband owns buildings and at least one hotel. She bought a smaller home in the BH flats for a couple of million.

    I was worried about Kendra, but I guess she will be ok if she could spend over 2 million on a house.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      So the designer was right that Kendra really did have money to pay for anything. I’m glad we see people like this on our TV, as it’s really hard to imagine.

  56. Arya Stark says:

    I am so glad The Countless schooled all of us in how to behave when giving a dinner party and someone is late or there was a miscommunication about times.

    YELL AT THEM.
    CALL THEM LIARS.
    INSIST THEY WERE TOLD.
    TELL THEM THEY HAVE NO CLASS OR MANNERS AND ARE RUDE.
    REFUSE TO LISTEN.
    CAUSE A SCENE.
    START SCREAMING.
    LOSE YOUR SHIT AND TURN SCARLET, MAKE SURE THOSE NECK MUSCLES ARE BULGING.
    ANNOUNCE ‘NO DINNER FOR YOU!’
    THEN ANNOUNCE DINNER IS OVER TO YOUR OTHER GUESTS WHO ARE STILL EATING.

    Just super classy and it must be proper etiquette, right? Since she is royalty and all…

    • Arya Stark says:

      I forgot the last one.

      STORM FROM THE ROOM WHILE STILL YELLING ABOUT HOW THEY RUIN EVERYTHING.

      • housewifeaddict says:

        Do you think she’ll put that in her next book?

        • Arya Stark says:

          I hope so! I sort of wish Lynn would include it when she does a Luann specific blog.

          Which I hope is SOON!

      • PJ says:

        Be furious and talk behind their backs when they are late, then when they show up make them feel so unwelcome that they leave.

    • Kansas Girl says:

      🙂 Tomorrow my brother is taking me out for brunch. He is always late. He sometimes can’t remember the time he said he’d arrive, so he doesn’t realize he’s late. I see how I should proceed. 🙂

      • housewifeaddict says:

        Yes – to be a gracious guest – make sure you put him in his place if he’s late. Let him know he has enough education to know better, and make sure he doesn’t get more than a bite of salad before you run him off. Then you can come back here and tell us what a class act you are, and we’ll applaud and make you a star. 🙂 🙂

        • Arya Stark says:

          Don’t forget to be LOUD, and do your best to embarrass him in front of the staff!

    • AddictedtoBravo says:

      Nail. On. The.Head. Love the lose your shit and turn scarlet..LOL

    • TLM says:

      Yes, Arya, that was Chapter 13 of Classlessness With the Countless: “Confronting Late Dinner Guests.”
      ROFLMAO!!!!

  57. Rach says:

    Lynn, please put this person in her place. Please. this is not cool at all.

    • cabbie413 says:

      ignore it and DO NOT visit the site, don’t give the person any more hits.. keep all the activity on Lynn’s blog instead.. the ppl on this blog rock my Santa socks !

  58. Rach says:

    Lynn, please put this person in her place. Please. this is not cool at all.

    • cabbie413 says:

      i would ignore it – why add fuel to the fire.. if anything, it gives that other person hits on their blog, which none of us need to do 🙂 i’d rather give lynn the hits!

    • quincyil says:

      This could be a trap. Someone used the email of some tweeters and did things that got them in trouble. I don’t think anyone should go there or leave a comment on any site like this.

      Beware….

      Q

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Thanks Rach, you posted the link twice. I will be ignoring it. Thanks for bringing it by …

  59. Rach says:

    I really hate two faced people. Lynn, please be careful how you choose your friends.
    Guys, I tried sticking up for Lynn on this site and my comment got rejected. it makes me sick because the people that follow her on twitter are participating in this.If Lynn’s fans stick up for her, maybe this person will stop. Notice how it says “Part One”

    I have deleted the link, If you email me I will forward it to you but I think that Quincy and Kats may be right and this could be a trick to get some of your email addresses. If you want the link please email me at LynnAHudson@aol.com and I’ll send it to you via email. I don’t want that crap on my blog. Thanks! Lynn

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Don’t bother responding, it is all fiction and the writer will never post your responses if they are in support of me. It’s a waste of time, lets just enjoy the blog here and ignore the haters. They have no idea what they’re talking about. It’s all good, it doesn’t bother me at all.

      • Kats2 says:

        Delete the link! If people go there it will give the losers traffic and hits they don’t deserve.

        If you are a fan or supporter of Lynn’s I like to suggest that you email type of link to Lynn vs. posting it here so people don’t actually go there.

        But see this speaks, no screams volumes of how centered and cool Lynn is, the fact that you can post that link here and she didn’t delete it. I still say delete the link.

        I’m sure you meant no harm it’s all just IMHO. 🙂

      • LOLing says:

        Oh Lord, not this blogger wars crap again…..although I have to say, when people ask on this HW blog and others, “How can these people be so mean”?, “Who wants to see that”? I can tell you who, the 2 or 3 groups of “ladies” on Twittter who spend most of their time trying to destroy each other. It is sickly crazy. It’s a fine line these “ladies” walk and I suspect someday the shit will hit the fan. I don’t believe Lynn was involved, (even though the ZJ scandal orchestrator claimed you gave her all the illicit info). I just think you were an easy target. I hope???? I refuse to read RCH blog, b/c she writes funny recaps but she is a shitty person to destroy someone like she did, even with the tenuous justification. When will it end?????

      • Nancy says:

        Lynn,
        I’m not trying to be a smart a** but did you see the game last night?
        You have to admit it was a good one. That’s one of the best things in Hockey for me is each game can be so different from the last. Good luck for tomorrow’s game.
        Hope you are having a fun weekend.

        • LynnNChicago says:

          Yes, and I’m a temporary Bruins fan – I really want them to win that Cup!!!

          • LOLing says:

            Let’s go Flyers *clap, clap, clap, clap ,clap*. Next year? Boo Blackhawks and Bruins! They have been the go to team for years. Eagles are ALWAYS number 1, but for the last few years..it’s the Phillies. We may have a basketball team…but no one cares.

            • TLM says:

              I heard the Sixers are for sale now?

              I never follow sports, so I’m so happy I have anything relevant to add. LOL.

          • Nancy says:

            It’s not going to happen though. 🙂

  60. Arya Stark says:

    That whole thing seems silly. Lynn tells people who to follow? LOL

    • quincyil says:

      We know Lynn. We have been with her for a year. It’s silly.

      • Arya Stark says:

        Negative comments are showing up there Lynn. TweeterLaura posted a really wonderful defense of you, and others are posting about how FOS that blog post is. Just FYI.

        • Arya Stark says:

          I am going to repost that comment here, hope that is OK, for those who don’t want to give her blog hits.

          If not, delete it, but I thought it was good.

          tweeterlaura

          2011/06/11 at 16:04

          “synn publicizing a tweeter’s information” i am confused did marrylynn publicize roh dets on synn blog..

          please bear with me, i missed roh actual departure from twitter and miss her. i was under the impression that her fashion show buddy bonjovi had something to do with it after reading roh blog.

          the whole thing is one big clusterfuck, well preserved at topsy for those that have the time and or inclination.

          @JzandLynnSuck Hello P.I.T.A. (Pain In The Ass) I have heard and been told that you seem to think I have been booted, or perhaps thinks I’m dead. I think you really just miss me is what it is. Well Here I am 🙂 It’s me formerly known @amia009 I AM ALIVE AND WELL THANK YOU.
          Sadly to your dismay I didn’t get booted as you seem to think I simply just changed my name on twitter. I didn’t even have to make up a new account like Geo does weekly. I hear she is Gumby961 now. Who cares though just using that as an example.
          Since this will be my last communication with you ever, my final words to you is I really hope One Day you are able to step back and look at yourself and see how silly, evil, crazy, and vicious you look and come across to many. You never gave a clear explanation on why you hate @LynnNChicago so much. Just that a post in her blog is “I Hate Jill Zarin” So what! Who cares? The blog its self isn’t called IHJZ. It’s called LynnNChicago101 you know that for your self, b/c your constantly on her blog anyways so you see the link “Lynnnchicago101.wordcpress etc. when you get there.
          When someone makes up a screen name like yours it’s very disturbing that your intent is clearly to stalk and harass someone. It’s not her fault that she has almost 2000 followers/ fans. Not bad for a hobby blogger huh. Some “Real Bloggers” as they call their selves don’t even have that or come close.I won’t mention any names.
          Like many I just can’t understand the obsession you have with her. You mention her name and talk about her at least once a day. Does it really affect your life that much? There are other bloggers out there that hate really hate Jill Zarin and write ReALLY MEAN things about Jill daily. Lynn doesn’t even write about Jill everyday. I know I’m talking to the wall so I shall I go now. I must admit I am happy that I don’t have to protect my tweets anymore, I don’t have to worry about PITA’s like you RT’ing my tweets just to be a trouble like you have been and all the shit you do. I’m sure you’ll RT this till your thumbs become raw so I’ll end here by saying by the time you respond this account will be deactivated b/c I have no intentions on communicating any furthur, I was just responding to you and others wondering where I was. I saw the tweets my self.

          2010-12-17 17:20:23

          AliveAndWellTY
          Wasn’t Booted |

        • quincyil says:

          I don’t trust leavnig your email address with those people. When you post the software takes your address. Please be careful.

          • LOLing says:

            Leave a fake one. I’m not sure WordPress know the difference? The best advice is to not involve yourself with any of those very toxic women. It really is scary how they treat each other.

            • Arya Stark says:

              I never use a real email address, even here. I have also been around from the beginning, and am the one who changes names occasionally. It’s not that I don’t trust Lynn. It’s that I have no idea how good anyone hacking her site might be, and I had some issues last year with the Jill nutcases.

              So, I switch it up, and keep my email address…flexible. It may not help, but then again? It may if it’s amateur hackers.

              • LOLing says:

                Same here! You have to. Funny thing, one of the Twitter crazies I mentioned, not by name…created a whole shitstorm. She used the same name for everything she did online. So, people googled her and found out everyhting about her. Girlfriend is STILL trying to deny it, but it’s kinda obvious. I always remain out of they fray (I’ll talk abt it, but that’s it) and I never use the same name for blog comments. Not because I want to hide anything..well, other than anything that would give away my identity and send a crazy Zarin or Gorga fan to my door! :0

                • LOLing says:

                  I meant to say blog comments on different blogs. One name here, one name there. It’s a necessary evil.

  61. Kats2 says:

    I think this season is a total bore. Interesting how we don’t see a lot time on camera in their homes. Compared to Beverly Hill HW’s these NY HW’s don’t have much to showcase with their NY Apartments. Only exception IMHO is Ramona’s place. Can’t wait to see the shit-hole Luann ended up in. And Jill’s place is gross, dog shit everywhere and really bad decorating by Jill and Brad.

    I think Bethenny will have a great following and slot with Bravo as long as she wants it. Andy clearly loves her. You can tell the people he likes and doesn’t like.

    Kelly and sex – the camel ride was the highlight of her year.
    Kelly still being Kelly – she does not have a medical problem she was dead jealous of Bethenny and is a spoiled rotten brat. Not a medical condition the result of GREED MONSTER mixing with ALCOHOL and perhaps other drugs. She laughs and looks down at these other women, but Bethenny didn’t let her get away with a thing and Bethenny has everything Kelly wants.

    Jill – no change at all, just very boring and still evil.

    Luann – Biggest pet peeve of the season – referring to all the adult females during the entire trip as GIRLS!
    So classless and unacceptable. GIRLS, GIRLS, GIRLS! Jesus Christ – STFU. Go spend time with your kids you washed up has been . Luann treats these other women in such a condescending way I find it truly offensive.
    She is just as evil as Jill is. And I get the sense Andy can’t stand her, he just keeps playing clips to make fun of her BS.

    Ramona – I now love Ramona, love when she’s mean, loses it and has more common sense than the rest of them. I don’t care how crazy she can get, she will not sit back and take any shit. And for that I love her!

    Alex – she won me over in the blogs but have to admit she is way too dramatic and awkward. I would love her more if she would just stop with the theatrics and stop letting these other HW’s push her around. Why is she trying to be friends or listen to Luann and Kelly? They don’t have any respect for her. They treat Alex like a doormat and Alex is taking it or even entertaining a conversation with them about it – is not fun to watch.

    BTW, blowing up and more theatrics at the reunion is not the way to go either. There is just something off or awkward about Alex and the need to be on this show. I think she is so smart but has really bad timing and a lame sense of humor. She should be ripping Jill, Luann, Kelly, and New Girl apart with her intelligence. Shred them! Not try to be friends. You will NEVER be part of their click, they think you are beneath them and they hate your husband. You wasted a season getting riled up over nonsense and making up. You don’t owe any of these slugs an apology. You come up with one catch phrase and try to profit off it “Thug in a cocktail dress” seems pathetic to me. I hate to see someone so smart be taken down by these ignorant morons (Ramona and Sonja excluded). You can learn from Ramona and you’d be more interesting to watch.

    • Kats2 says:

      GREEN not GREED

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Alex is a dork sometimes – but she is who she is. She has a highly functioning filter – so she’ll never be a Ramona, and she’s not mean so if she says something hurtful (which she will next week to LuAnn according to the previews) it would take a lot of effort on her part to spit it out..

      I like that she treats Jill, Kelly, and the new girl with respect. I don’t want her to rip them apart because they don’t do that with her – and she’d look like the bad guy if she did it to them. LuAnn is fair game with her snide comments and looking down her nose all the time. I hope she lets her have it next week, but I suspect it’ll be a draw. Luann is so thick you could hit her with a 2 x 4 (like Kat did) and she’d still have that horrid smirk on her face.

    • LynnNChicago says:

      VERY well said Kats! I agree with it all!

  62. quincyil says:

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20444185,00.html

    This was published right after they retured from Marrakesh. Ramona and Alex support Sonja, yet we see in the promo that Jil Zarin puts it on film and admonishes Sonja for not knowing where her money was.

    Well, I think Sonja has business experience and she knows wher her money is, but got caught up in a messy divorce and a lawsuit over the production of a movie. She had money in the production company and when you get a lawysuit and a judgement, you live is a mess for years.

    I think Sonja went over everything with the lawyers and accountants, but she did not want to discuss it on national TV so she played as if she did not know anything about it.

    Why would Jill do that? I wish someone would have said, “Jill, What is your monthly income?” I bet Jill would not tell anyone on natinal TV. Some things are private.

    I suspect they knew and that is why Kelly talked about Sonja not livig that live and the house not being updated at the lunch on the first day. I’m sure it was the talk of the town in NYC. We even had links here at the time and the filings are at the top;of this page in the black box.

    When my friends are in trouble, I would not try to humiliate them as Jill did to Sonja last fall and as we will see next week.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      In this particular case, I’m not convinced Jill was TRYING to humiliate Sonja. She gets on these tangents when she won’t stop asking questions or talking. Remember S1 when she went on and on asking about what Jason was getting B for her b-day – until B threatened to stick a fork in her eye. She may have thought she was helping Sonja figure out her finances – like she helped Cindy with her teeth.

      • Nancy says:

        And when Bethenny asked Jill to come with her to look at that apt (for her and Jason #1)
        and then JIll took over the real-estate guy’s job. Could she be more rude? Honestly?
        And yes Jill, Cheer still wants her outfit back.

        • TLM says:

          That was one of my favorite scenes though, because Bethenny’s impression of Jill going through the apartment and commenting on everything was HILARIOUS.

      • quincyil says:

        The end result is humiliation though. Jill does it to people all of the time.

        I thought the way she was asking questions of Mustapha was rude too. He was a good sport, but the inquisition was embarassing to the women.

        • VAGirl says:

          I agree. I don’t think Jill is always just curious (like with Mustapha). I wish the ladies would just ask her why she wants to know. Like when she asked Cindy how she got her twins. When people ask me questions that are none of their business, I just smile and ask why they want to know? Usually that stops them in their tracks. If they say they are “concerned” about me, then I tell them they need not be concerned and leave it at that. If they say they are just curious, then I will either choose to tell them or choose to tell them I’d rather not share that information. It drives the gossipies crazy.

          • quincyil says:

            Remember planning the menu with Bethenny for the Creaky Joints Charity? It seems like Jill gets on a roll and can’t control herself. It must drive Bobby insane.

            • VAGirl says:

              I think Bobby tries not to be around Jill unless it absolutely necessary. I can’t recall actually seeing Bobby and Jill at home together (in the apartment). I really can’t. I’ve seen them at the Hamptons together and out and about together, but not in their apartment. Has anyone else? I think he loves Jill, but can’t stand to be around her for long periods of time. I know couples like that.

              • TLM says:

                I was cracking up when Jill was flipping out in the car after Ramona’s wine thing and you could hear Bobby on the phone: “But you were always so good to hah…You always did so much fah hah, and you wah thah to suppawt heh woyne.” His accent is priceless. I think he does really love Jill and just doesn’t get how she can come off to others. Or maybe he’s just afraid of her. LOL.

                • Nancy says:

                  You forgot the part that LuMan was saying to Bobby.
                  “She was a complete lady…
                  BARF That scene was sooooo funny.

                • chris says:

                  Remember when he came up to Alex at Luann’s party and said basically the same thing…how good Jill had been to her and how she always supported Alex. He told Alex to go apologize to Jill. She probably makes his life hell when she’s mad.

      • Arya Stark says:

        Oh, she is definitely trying!

  63. Arya Stark says:

    Simon tweeted that Jill told him lots of gossip about Luann’s skeletons.
    Alex tweeted that she was “handling” Kelly so she wouldn’t have a Scary Island episode. We all knew that though.

    We need Jill and Luann to break up. Just imagine those two going at each other? It would be GOLD! Now I want to help it happen, but I am not as sneaky and nasty as Jill. Besides, it will probably happen on it’s own. I HOPE!

    • Smompy says:

      Yes, that’s just got to happen eventually. It’s pretty clear that Jill doesn’t really “like” LuAnn…she’s using her like she uses everyone, and she’s bound to turn on her “friend” sooner or later. Whether the rest of them all ganged up on Jill or on LuAnn, it’d be fun to watch either way.

      What with all the exasperating nonsense from the Melee in Morocco, this hadn’t occurred to me before, but did I actually just watch an entire episode of the RHoNYC without one of these chicks calling Ramona a sloppy drunk?

      Or did they do it but it got lost in the background because of all the other drama?

      • ann says:

        When she sees all the Luann hate, she’ll jump on and play victim. Wheels are spinning already.

        • housewifeaddict says:

          LuAnn is as awful to Jill as she is to the others – constantly looking down at her. But Jill knows that LuLu hates Ramona and Alex even more than she does – so they are defacto friends. I can actually see Jill and Ramona making up eventually – but never Ramona and LuAnn.

  64. Kerry Okie says:

    Hello everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster here. I hate Jill Zarin, KuKu Kelly, and Countless Squash Blossom High Horse, and like so many others I enjoy this wonderful blog and the witty intelligent comments much more than the show these days. I usually don’t comment because most of my feelings about the show have already been expressed quite eloquently by the regular posters who frequent this site, but I found an interesting tidbit on Michael K’s d-listed that I thought some of you might appreciate. The rumor is that one of the housewives is “doing” a member of the production crew who is supplying her with prescription medicine that is not hers, or something to that effect. Also, I think it is significant that Luman tried to correct Ana by telling her Alex was the weirdest housewife in that poll on WWHL after Ana declared Kelly to be the weirdest. About the rumor that the New York housewives might all be dumped in favor of finding really, really wealthy women like those in BH, isn’t it deliciously ironic that one person we know of who would fit that description is Bethenney? I bet that makes Jill feel like she’s going to have a heart attack.

  65. ihearttalavera says:

    So I just clicked on the link above to read Jill’s exclusive blog. She mentions that when she was getting her hair poodle’d up, the producer told her about the fight between Kookoo and Alex and she had a choice to go to her room and wash her hair (fix it) or go and “save” Alex. She thinks she did the right thing. What a giver this woman is and modest to boot! She never, ever misses an opportunity to point out her charitable contributions and isn’t that the true meaning of giving? Excuse me while I go put bleach in my eyes.

    Also she says the thing with Alex and Kookoo was a reversal of what happened on Scary Island. Um, no. It was a complete repeat. KELLY WENT F’ING NUTS! Again. Same as it ever was, JZ. Same as it ever was. Save your spin. After her blog? FOURTEEN comments. All positive. Yeah right.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      Yes she had a choice. Either go on camera with the poodle hair, or miss being in the biggest fight of the season. Although I give her props for not running in there and attacking Alex. That’s what LuLu would have done. Jill only had eyes (or claws) for Ramona during that trip.

  66. Posting... says:

    “Commenters should keep to one name as well as your posting with two three or four is ridiculously childish.”

    She reads this blog then runs over to attack the posters here.

  67. Mookies1mom says:

    Completely off topic. But, yesterday was an awesome day for me! As some of you know, during my last mammogram they found a lump. After my surgeon spoke with the radiologist that does the actual biopsies they determined that it was a simple cyst. They are going to keep an eye on it but fantastic news for now at least. Could not have come on a better day. Mookie’s dad and I celebrated our 17th wedding anniversary yesterday as well. Needless to say that we had an awesome anniversary celebration!

  68. Arya Stark says:

    I think Luann is sucking up to Jill for a couple of reasons.

    She needed a place to stay in NYC for awhile.
    She has lost whatever “connections” she had, and Jill’s, though dubious? Are better than nothing.
    She’s broke as hell.
    Jill has been sucking up because believe me, she had this whole “attack Ramona and blame her for everything that happened with Bethenny” set up to play out this year.
    BUT
    The most important reason?

    LUANN IS SCARED SHITLESS OF JILL ZARIN. She is in an “anybody but ME” situation here, and doesn’t want Jill on her ass, because she has a ton of secrets to hide, and she just wants to screw her boy-toy, and collect her BRAVO paycheck, maybe keep hawking the “class” thing with another book. She knows she is going to have to find another old man to marry soon. Child support payments will dry up in a couple of years since her kids are teenagers, but for now, she just wants to play, relax, make what money she can, and stay out of Jill’s crosshairs.

    If that means being Jill’s attack dog? Well, heck, she’s done worse, and will again.

    • housewifeaddict says:

      i think LuLu truly hated B – because B didn’t give a fig about her. B practically dismissed her as irrelevant, and didn’t even think apologizing for calling her a snake – back when she was still trying to make up with Jill.
      Then Ramona went and called her a slut during that speaker phone conversation that Jill had LuLu eavesdrop in on – so she hates her too.
      I don’t know if she hated Alex before Alex “started with her” or just thought Alex was beneath her and should just be seen (preferably in better designer clothes) and not heard (unless it was to fawn over the Countess.
      So she may be scared of Jill – but she’s also got no other options.

  69. ladylj1987 says:

    JZ at it again, she won’t stop the train…from rolling right on over her….you’d think she’d learn but stupid is as stupid does….

    • housewifeaddict says:

      At this point in time, at least half of the comments blast Jill – even on her own facebook after she’s been blocking people for months. Ha. (The posting is some video a fan made of Ramona talking behind Jill’s back S1-4. I didn’t watch it – but I’m sure it’s funny.

    • codystl says:

      I’m sure Jill would be equally excited if someone did a similar youtube of all the crappy comments she has made about everyone. Yes, sarcasm here.

    • quincyil says:

      Clean up on Aisle Six…

      There are so many negative comments from people using theri own facebook pages with their real names that I am shocked.

    • AZ Girl says:

      Man Jill is just dumb. She is getting hammered on FB

  70. Laura says:

    JZ at it again, she won’t stop the train…from rolling right on over her….you’d think she’d learn but stupid is as stupid does….btw…ladylj1987 is me 🙂

  71. jeepers1941 says:

    OK, where is everyone at?

  72. Arya Stark says:

    pathetic Jillsey.

  73. Mookies1mom says:

    Goodnight everyone! Hope you’re not awake all night Jeepers!

  74. Melissa says:

    DId she or someone actually go through all the seasons/episodes to create this? And Jill posted this on her FB…, no wonder so many of you guys are bonding over her antics, she is the gift that keeps on giving!
    Does she even know this site exists? I wonder.

    • Arya Stark says:

      She knows.

      • Melissa says:

        That sent cold chills up my spine, didn’t she say something a while back like “I may forget but I never forgive” or something like that? Uh, scary.

        • Arya Stark says:

          Made by “a fan” my behind!

          She is getting blasted in the comments too.

        • jeepers1941 says:

          If by that you mean did jz say that? as a matter of fact, yes she did!…….. lol

          • Melissa says:

            @Arya, After the B- thing, I seriously doubt Jill has any fans left. Especially one that would go through all the trouble…and for what?

            @jeepers, I’m kind of getting creeped out by her.

  75. These are some of the negative comments on Jill’s Facebook:

    You’re very childish for a woman who is 40+ years old. It’s all about you. Your true colors came out last season. And this season is just no guess work. Bethenny is no longer on the show. Now it’s Ramona. How really has the problem? Seems like your not happy unless there’s drama. I’m sorry I joined this page.

    Grow up Jill. U are infuriating and beyond self righteous. At least Ramona doesn’t latch on to unattractive rich men just for money. Who are u anyway? U talk about EVERYONE! U are a mean girl!

    This is so immature on Jill’s part…what happened to her? I used to like her, but she is so highschool and drama filled. She keeps score. She lost Bethenny, now onto her next vulnerable target. Very sad Jill. Very sad.

    You are just as guilty. Didn’t you already lose Bethenny? Who will be left….Luann? She is worst of all….including crazy Kelly! Get over yourself.

  76. chismosa says:

    hi everyone, i am still catching up i still cannot get over Thursday’s episode and Kelly and Luann’s behavior (of course, i hate Jill forever regardless)- i am like, physically sick over it.
    Before joining the fray officially in the comments, i wanted to bring up in case anyone has not mentioned, that NBC is airing SEASON 1 of RHNY every day now and i caught Friday’s episode, i think the 2nd ep. – and it is in the Hamptons, Jill in her supposed- “HOUSE” and DRIVING HER ‘FERRARI’ – ahem, – and sending her poor daughter to a ‘detox’ facility for weight loss masquerading as for her arthritis- as i believe Bethenny or Ramoner pointed out at one of the reunions. You all just MUST tune in.
    So many fun little facts: Jill states that she and Ramona have known eachother a bit on and off for years, but are not close friends and never ‘go to lunch together.’ Therefore, why is Ramoner so caught up in this friendship with Jill when it’s really a Bravo friendship and just purely an acquaintance? Other fun things i saw, the ferrari, Jill saying they got the ferrari- the screen telling us how much the cost is for a ferrari – TO OWN ONE, not RENT IT. Then her house in the Hamptons, letting the viewer assume she owns it, not rents it out.
    Ramona had her lunch and did not invite Jill and Jill got angry and had Brad all over with her and Ramona had the gall to invite Lumann and said that ‘since you moved out here now, we should go to lunch’ – so Lu must have been new to the Hamptons. Just interesting information. All taped in summer of 2007.
    It really is fantastic to put it all together in perspective. Bethenny looked FABULOUS on screen, just healthy and fabulous. Not too thin, and i really liked Jason 1 her bf at the time, very quiet guy, perfect for her. But things work out for a reason and she is with a fabulous Jason now.
    Just please- you guys you must ALL tune in!!! Weekdays
    Great weekend to all- will comment again tomorrow if i catch up in time xoxoxox

  77. Vesper says:

    Dumb side bar…has anyone else notice Jill stuffing her face in almost all the scenes in Morocco? She ate constantly during that trip!! Sometimes she was the only one eating too! :))

    • Adgirl says:

      Double order of SkueezeMeee Kotoor plz!

      • quincyil says:

        This gives new meaning to Operation Titanic.

        I noticed that most of theri plates were vegetables. The had large plates of green i almost every scene. I did not see them eatng a lot of desserts in the desert..

  78. terry aley says:

    I noticed there was a mention of the Real Housewives of NYC doing better in the ratings WITHOUT Bethenny. Here’s my analysis. “Rob Who? Rob Shuter at AOL’s Popeater Throws Bethenny Frankel Under the Bus” http://terryaley.com/?p=4040

    • quincyil says:

      Interesting article. I was banned from Jill’s twitter for saying that Jill is running Operation Titanic and leaking. There is something wrong that Jill Zarin can not keep a secret. She loves to expose her cast mates on national TV and that is why Ramona after two seasons exposed Jill and Luann last year.

      Bethenny is wise to not be upset about the infomation getting out there. If you can’t control Jill, just live with the fact that she is going to do this. Don’t share your secrets with Jill Zarin.

    • quincyil says:

      Terry, I wish you would not have the videos download ready at your sight. I have limited down load capacity and want to save it for my husband’s work. When I visit a blog and three videos start to download, I have to leave without reading your text.

      I move quickly so I only lost 2% of my limited space this morning, but I wish I could read your blogs.

  79. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Good morning~interesting & entertaining comments. I have come to believe that JZ doesn’t care what kind of press she gets as long as she is in it. Bethenny has the best idea ever because she refuses to discuss JZ at all.
    I think now that the most hurtful thing that we could do is not speak about JZ. She would go mad if no one even gave her the time of day & Bethenny knew this. LOL

  80. quincyil says:

    I opended my tweets. QuincyILIHJZ. I only write about the reality shows which Bravo encourages us to share about so there is really no reason to keep it closed. “Water off a duck’s back” is my new motto.

  81. quincyil says:

    Every time there is an event in Chicago for the Real Housewives, I seem to have a commitmet conflict. I told friends that I would work at their fundraiser on the weekend that Ramona is coming to Chicago. The same thing happened when Simon and Alex came for their booksigning. I rarely have anything going on here on the prairie. It seems the gods do not want me to meet reality stars. Chicago is 300 miles away, so you don’t go there for a couple of hours and return home.

    I took this announement from Ramona’s facebook,

    Ramona Singer Pinot Grigio
    “Ramona will be making her next appearance in Chicago!!! On June 14th Ramona will be at Uncork It from 5pm-7pm! As always please check for an updated list of appearances at http://www.opiciwines.com/Ramona

    Although the page is copywrited, I feel Ramona would like me to share it with you and encourage you to visit her when she comes to our beloved city, Chicago.

    I think I will write a “I Love Ramona Singer” blog on the prairie to welcome her to Illinois with Lynn’s permission.
    Q

    • quincyil says:

      The fingers are stiff this morning. I did move them to add the missing letters, but apparently they did not push hard enough. It gets better through the day.

  82. BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

    Report: Real Housewives Of Miami Season 2 Will Likely Happen
    Written By Reality Tea 11 Jun 2011
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    • quincyil says:

      Yeah… if Lynn doesn’t want to write it and there is no boycott, I will offer to write it for the few members here that want to discuss. I think it would be great fun to read Lynn’s comments.

      I thought the show was very Miami and I loved that..

      • BaaBee Loves Kitties says:

        I know you love it Q that’s why I posted it. 🙂

        • quincyil says:

          Thank you, Baabee,

          A lot of NYers go to Miami for the sun and fun. For the next few years, all of my vacation time will go to grandhildren who live far away. You have to be with them or they won’t know you.

  83. boston02127 says:

    Good morning. I’m watching the RHONY when Alex is trying to talk to Luann during her Henna session. Luann has blue eye shadow on one eye and gray on the other.

  84. quincyil says:

    LOL… sounds like I did her makeup. LOL

  85. boston02127 says:

    @ Mookies1mom — I just read your post about your test results. I’m so happy! 🙂

    • quincyil says:

      I love good news too.

      Is the reply button broken again?

    • butterisafruit says:

      I just read it too. That’s wonderful news. A total relief. When you’re waiting for the results, no matter what you’re doing. Your mind keeps going back to worry. I’m so happy this is off her shoulders.

    • FlowerPower says:

      I just saw it too. Congrats and Happy Anniversary!!!

  86. boston02127 says:

    Luann’s whole manners & etiquette thing is out the window. She’s so rude.

  87. boston02127 says:

    Imagine having Kelly for a mother! She got so angry at Alex over her Henna, calling her stupid over and over. Same with Luann. I feel sorry for her kids. They must be doing cartwheels when she’s not around.

    • klmh says:

      Boston, I don’t think either of these women like or love Alex. They don’t respect her either, maybe due to Jill, so its sport to go after her. Alex doesn’t know how to fight either. I like her, but she is out of her league with these gals on that platform.
      Their children are a different story. jmo

  88. WindyCityWondering says:

    Watching the last episode of the trip of a lifetime (cough, cough) – LuAnn is the biggest liar! Sadly, none of the NY wives are strong enough (or really carel enough) to call her out on her classless behavior. So next week LuAnn takes out Alex – sadly saying “get a life” and storming off isn’t a take down but more likely the way fights ended in the concrete owner’s eight kid litter back in the days before LuAnn blew her way into her poser title. I still hate Jill but don’t care enough about the thug enough to spare any emotion towards her.

  89. quincyil says:

    I am often confused by the twitter reactions of the reality stars. Why do they fight over an episode where they made up in the end? Jill and Ramona hugged each other and said they were continuing a friendship, but in tweets Ramona implies Jill is an alcoholic and Jill/s alter ego lisanewengland has a blog break down because Ramona is an alcoholic and someone in lisa’s past drank too much.

    Is this all for the show? I remember Sonja saying that she went with Jill Zarin to Dr. Pat Wexler for Jill’s liquid facelift and this took place right before the fourth season began. Jill was also kissing Alex in the hallway before a talk show was to begin and Alex seemed happy.

    Are we being manipulated by these women or are they really having feeling based on what they find out the others did or said behind their backs in their preview dvds.

    There is a preview vido of Ramona and Mario, but Simon said, two loving couples when Jill tweeted about soft porn. I think there must be something from Alex and Simon next episode. What other loving couple is on the show?

    I think the friendship between Ramona and Alex is real. I think Simon does not like Jill Zarin. I am confused by the good will between Alex and Jill on screen and in real life like the reaction in that hallway.

    If someone did to me what Jill Zarin had done to Ramona and Alex, she would be dead to me. The fact that they need or want the fame and income from the TV show confuses the viewers and makes us question their words on twitter and in articles.

  90. songbird says:

    this is a test to see if i can post

  91. lexileigh5 says:

    Kelly’s an idiot. Considering she “went to Columbia”, she should know that using the term JAP is racist.

    Or is this just one of her famous mistakes? Bitch.

  92. blythe says:

    I cannot believe no one had a fit with LuAnne when she acted like a crazy woman during the last supper. How could everyone act so quiet about it all?! What the heck? Why didn’t people who were late just tell her to bite it and go into the kitchen and make a sandwich? What kind of trip would it be if the kitchen was locked?

    Jill is homely but most of it is because of what comes out of her ugly mouth. And she is always so angry that her mouth is always pressed tightly together, making all those lines, and her lips just disappear. This must have been going on for years, thus the thin line she has instead of lips.

  93. Zoe Bulman says:

    I for one am so obsessed with Kelly’s crazy! I’m interested in all things psychosis, and came across this blog that I got a kick out of: http://angelofdevs.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/rhonys-kelly-killoren-bensimon-paranoid-personality-disorder/

    I think KK is schizo with all the “chatter” she hears. I really wish they’d come out with what REALLY happened on Scary Island. I found some bits online that she was in her room crying that Bethenny would kill her, rocking back and forth on her bed, and chanting the producer’s name: “Matt-Matt-Matt.” Talk about crazy! I don’t think it would of have been exploitative if they showed all of it. It would be the wake up that Kelly would be forced to face.

  94. stephanie says:

    While I find some of your snarky comments funny you seem to be really biased. I get why people think you are affiliated with Alex and Simon. Could you get any farther up Alex’s ass? She is just as much of a famewhore as the rest of them if not worse. She can’t even compose herself for a simple argument between adults. Instead she storms around with her hives and can’t even form a rational sentence. No wonder the other women walk all over her! I haven’t liked her since she talked about how her kids are “blessed” in the gene pool. Obviously neither she or Simon own a mirror!

    • LynnNChicago says:

      Actually THAT was my point, Alex has no idea how to confront, argue or defend herself because she’s not a mean person and she physically breaks out in hives when she tries to be mean, she simply can’t do it.

      I never mentioned “famewhore” but I think you could make an argument to put every housewife on every series in that category.

      She didn’t say that her kids were blessed in the gene pool, she said that she herself was and if you read my blog after she said that, I agreed that it wasn’t the brightest thing she’s ever said. I’ve said plenty of snarky things about Alex and Simon …just not today.

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