I Hate Jill Zarin Top Chef Just Desserts / DC Reunion / Beverly Hills Premier
It’s a big night for Bravo with three new programs starting at 9pm/8pm Central the first part of the Real Housewives of DC reunion show will air, you can watch a few previews of this right now at:
http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-dc
If people didn’t hate Michaele Salahi before the reunion, I have a feeling that this should seal the fate of this fake, lying, scheming Housewife that Bravo has chosen to showcase. If it wasn’t bad enough that we’re forced to listen to her lies again, Andy Cohen brings out the husbands in this reunion as he did last season in Orange County. The last thing I want to see is Tareq Salahi one more time, in fact I was hoping we’d seen the last of him as he crashed the White House at the end of the season. That couple makes my blood boil and I hope this reunion show is the finale for them as well!
Tonight also marks the premier of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Bravo has also posted a few video’s to get us all ready for this newest Housewives franchise. Included is an interview with Nicky and Paris Hilton nieces of two of the Beverly Hill’s housewives:
I think that the Beverly Hills version of the Real Housewives will do well and be much more interesting that DC and a whole lot more upbeat and lively than New Jersey. It will take time to get to know these Beverly Hills rich bitches but I think in the end, Bravo will have another successful show on its hands.
From New York to Los Angeles, the news outlets have something to say about the newest Housewives Show:
http://tv.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/arts/television/14housewives.html?_r=1
http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/TV_Reviews_21/-Real-Housewives-of-Beverly-Hills-enough.asp
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/10/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-get-giggy-with-it-at-premiere-party.html
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2010/10/12/the_real_housewives_of_beverly_hills_c
I’m looking forward to meeting the newest Housewives tonight!
RadarOnLine is reporting that it has exclusively spoken with Bethenny Frankel’s mother, here is what RadarOnLine is reporting that Bernadette Birk had to say about her daughter:
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Bethenny Frankel’s Mom – ‘My Daughter Is Lying About Dark Past’ | Radar Online http://t.co/i9A9mQr
Bernadette Birk is quoted in this article,
“She did not come from a broken home and her father did not leave her at 4 years old,” Birk said when asked about the sad childhood picture Frankel paints. “I left her father when she was 2 years old and he did not support us with one penny, no alimony.”
Maybe someone needs to provide the definition of “Broken home” to Ms. Birk because if she left her husband when her daughter was 2-years old (as opposed to 4-years old) it really doesn’t change the fact that it was a broken home, merely that it happened two years earlier than previously reported and it certainly doesn’t make things any easier on the child involved.
As a fan of Bethenny’s, this woman’s interview, if accurate still doesn’t tell the whole story and while I doubt Bethenny will provide a rebuttal to this or even acknowledge it, nothing has changed as far as I’m concerned and I’m still a fan!
Bethenny has one of the best Housewives web sites, she provides recepies and weight loss tips, healthy eating suggestions as well as videos and photos of Bethenny and her family. www.bethenny.com
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Top Chef Just Desserts:
I like this show more each week! I think I may even prefer it to Top Chef, I certainly prefer Gail Simmons to Padma Lakshmi, Gail is much more natural and easy going while Padma always seems to be trying to be the cool one, always has her guard up and usually comes across as an uptight bitch. Gail is simply put, a nice person and it shows on screen.
The Quick-Fire Challenge was just to prepare a soufflé, sounds simple right? With one hour to complete the challenge, many of the contestants created the classic chocolate soufflé but Zach, the rebel prepared the always favorite “frozen” Soufflé?
The three bottom losers in the Quick Fire surprisingly included Zach and his frozen creation along with Erika and Heather H, three of the strongest competitors. I guess guest judge, Pastry Chef Sherry Yard didn’t get the memo.
Top three in the Quick Fire, the arrogant Morgan, pathetic Danielle and winner Yigit who informs us that this is how it should have been from the start, he should have been coming out on top from the beginning. Sherry got that same memo!
I loved this elimination challenge, the chef’s were instructed to make wearable, edible dresses and while I don’t think anyone would have worn any of them, it certainly was pretty cool! A table full of designer shoes were rolled into the Top Chef kitchen and each chef chose a pair to inspire them in creating their edible outfit. I’ve never seen a group of chef’s more excited to see a bunch of shoes although the annoying Morgan informs us that he’s not all that into shoes but insists on feeding the male chauvinist stereotype by acting like a complete ass to his peers and in interviews.
Danielle and Heather C missed the mark completely and instead of using sweets, used vegetables to make their fashion creations. What the hell were they thinking? Sure it was easier but this isn’t Project Runway using grocery store items to create couture, this is Just Desserts and these people are pastry chefs. I really enjoy every time Heather C tells us that she doesn’t normally work with chocolate, it just digs her grave deeper each time she says it. Heather, you’re a pastry chef! If you’re going to prepare desserts for restaurant guests, they typically want at least one chocolate offering, you ninny!
Danielle is just a hot mess from her hair to the dress that she made it was a failure from the moment she started dying beets to use on her dress, then adding more and more vegetables just made it completely hideous.
I think it was fitting after watching these two completely ignore the instructions to watch Heather C get the boot for the second time, I really don’t think they should ever bring back contestants who’ve already been sent packing, it isn’t like anyone is on the edge of their seats to see if this second chance might get them to the finals, it never does.
Eric joined the two ladies in the bottom three, he did use the proper materials but his dress made of cookies was falling apart and the cookies were broken and it was just an ugly mess. His petit fours saved him from elimination and were described as outstanding by the judges.
I loved the cute accessories that the contestants made to go along with their dresses, most made cute little hand bags or make up bags, others were more creative making rings or necklaces that looked amazing!
I think that Gail Simmons needed to provide this group with a definition of petit four as the majority of the contestants made them too large, these should be bite size. The dresses were amazing, though and I particularly liked Erika’s dress that was a little black dress with feathers as the skirt all made of chocolate.
The theme for the day seemed to be princess warrior with the two of the top three having that similar theme but it was Morgan’s little black dress with the red stripe down the side to go along with his black and red shoes that won the judges hearts. I admit that Morgan’s dress was very cool, I just can’t root for him, his attitude is not just arrogant but offensive.
So, we bid farewell to Heather C….again, and it was fitting because she was only brought back to compete due to a contestant asking to be excused from any further competitions. Disappointing because I believe that Malika would have been a formidable competitor once she got more comfortable with the timing and pace of the competition.
Morgan and Yigit are emerging as the top contenders with Heather H and Zach in the middle of the pack ready to pounce on the front runners.
Watch What Happens…
Thank you again to Quincy IL for the great recap of the Flipping Out finale yesterday, come back soon for recaps of The Real Housewives of DC reunion, The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and Watch What Happens Live featuring all six Beverly Hills victims…er Housewives.
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If anyone hasn’t yet heard the interview that I did with host, Carly Hall, you can hear it by clicking on this link:
Carly Hall Blogs the Blogger-Interview with Lynn Hudson! http://bit.ly/cwIIQs
You can also hear the interview that I did with Carly alongside Laura (@Geoaubsmom) who did much of the research into Dina Manzo’s Project Ladybug foundation.
Real Housewives of New Jersey Fans demand to know WHERE’S THE CHARITY MONEY DINA?
http://bit.ly/b6h0s9
The fact that we are questioning Dina Manzo’s charity has spread like wildfire across the internet, the latest site reporting this is here, and they have announced that they will take questions for Dina regarding her charity and try to get them answered, here is where you can post your questions:
@geoaubsmom: Hey Tweetholes leave @dinamanzo your questions about Project Ladybug | NJ.com http://t.co/lhF6w0u
Watch for more internet radio links to come with Carly and me.
Until Next Time….
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Wall St Lady says:
October 14, 2010 at 9:36 am (Edit)
I am getting on a plane.
Could someone or lynn
Re post (copy & paste)
the Birthday wish for
Designing Diva
On the next New Blog
So she won’t miss her
Birth day !
Let me also add my Birthday wishes Designing Diva! Enjoy your day! :)xoxo Lynn
Here it is:
Designing Diva
“Bonne fête à toi” !
The Beatles wish to sing u their- birthday song !
(WSL sings loudly too !)
You say its your birthday
its my birthday too.
Yeah ,they say its your birthday
were gonna have a good time
I’m glad its your birthday
happy birthday to you.
Yes were going to a party party yes were going to a party party yes were going to a party party….
Drums beating loudly ! .
Designing Diva
ur celebrity Birthday Buddies are :
Cliff Richard,
Dwight D. Eisenhower,
Elvis Presley
, Harry Anderson,
James Bond,
Justin Hayward,
Lillian Gish,
Moody Blues,
Ralph Lauren,
Roger Moore,
Stacy Keibler,
Usher
Happy Birthday !
Ur cake is in the mail.
We hope u have a Blessed day.
The LynnFam sends big hugs !
Wall Street Lady is so sweet!
Happy Birthday DD!!
Happy Birthday Designing Diva – may all your wishes come true and throw in a new pair of birthday shoes too!
HappY Birthday Diva
I want to sing too! Happy Birthday DD.
Happy Birthday to Designing Diva and all October babies!
Oct
14 Designing Deva
25 25Stupid
27 Zoey
28 twoile
Nov
1 Noelle
2 Scprpoisue
20 Nancy
21 Michele
22 realminkey
28 Canada
Dec
5 Buffywood
10 tuzentswarth
24 KirksvilleMo
26 JustAnotherMary
29 Rabble Rouser
Jan
2 WaxDiva
12 Cakers
14 AdGirl
16 Lillybel
24 Kirks Cyotte
26 Jezzibel
30 krone
Feb
16 Quincy
March
12 Waslurking
13 Vilzvet
25 Am Idiot
April
19 FelonyStupid
21 Ione
22 AZ
May
29 WindyCity
June
11 TrueLifeDiva
30 Cuci77
July
14 Pantry Viewer
20 TT
28 TEB & Zoekayla
30 Diana & WSM
Aug
13 Tootsie
16 Lynn Hudson
24 shamrockblonde
Sept.
1 WSL. & Boston 2
3 Kat & dreemz
6 Sha200o
7 ms molly
8 FloridaGirl88
11 jillz68
14 One Mo Bo & Dickens
21 Ellabean
30 error404
Mine’s Feb. 4 🙂
Hey- my bday is Oct 21; I am a lurker and occasional poster. But I read daily! This is my guilty pleasure.
You are something else WSL!!! 🙂
Mines April 24th..
esigning Diva
“Bonne fête à toi” !
The Beatles wish to sing u their- birthday song !
(WSL sings loudly too !)
You say its your birthday
its my birthday too.
Yeah ,they say its your birthday
were gonna have a good time
I’m glad its your birthday
happy birthday to you.
Yes were going to a party party yes were going to a party party yes were going to a party party….
Drums beating loudly ! .
Designing Diva
ur celebrity Birthday Buddies are :
Cliff Richard,
Dwight D. Eisenhower,
Elvis Presley
, Harry Anderson,
James Bond,
Justin Hayward,
Lillian Gish,
Moody Blues,
Ralph Lauren,
Roger Moore,
Stacy Keibler,
Usher
Happy Birthday !
Ur cake is in the mail.
We hope u have a Blessed day.
The LynnFam sends big hugs !
Opps! I pasted it above for you WSL…Double the birthday wishes!
Yes a double Happy Birthday to beautiful Diva!
Elvis was born Jan.8th 1935
happy happy birthday!
Here’s to the wish that you enjoyed a happy day and that you experience many more to come. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
I kinda love the Bethenny mom article just because it only proves what a crazy bitch she is! LOL
The fact that she was totally unaware that her 15 yo was drinking or experimenting with drugs just shows how out of touch and self-involved she was as a parent.
I also love how she worded the car incident, so it clearly came out as an accusation without any back-up. Really Bernie, if B was high and crashed your car, just say it! Because if the car got demolished because someone ran into her and almost killed her thru no fault of her own, and all you cared about on the phone was the car, then I’d scream at you and hang up too.
And it goes without saying, anyone who says their home wasn’t broken, they divorced their husband is just an idiot and needs to slip back under their rock.
I would suggest that the “truth” lies somewhere in between. All we have seen so far are Bethenny’s allegations which could be just another bid for sympathy or could actually be the truth. Who is to say? None of us are privy to what occurred and are relying solely on Bethenny’s narrative without having all the facts at our fingertips.
Much of the “stories” surrounding these “reality stars” have appeared to be exposed over time as either bogus or flirting with the truth. It seems pretty clear that there is a definite fracture between the mother/daughter relationship with Bethenny and her Mom which has to have some basis in fact for their estrangement.
I remember Roseann Barr making some pretty egregious statements about her parents than finding herself having to retract them following the death of her father a few years back. Not saying this is the same situation but it is often best to withhold judgment until all the facts are in.
Bethenny is writing a new book due out next year which supposedly covers her life story. But there is usually two sides to every story and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
You’re probably right. A lot of times, it’s not necessarily that one side or the other is flat out lying. It’s recalling things through the prism of your own hurt. Not to mention, different people will recall different details of an incident that completely escapes the other person. Yes, the truth is probably in between.
typical statements like “mom wasn’t there for me, i had to almost raise myself” and “I did the best that I could possibly do for my kid” are vague feeling and can not be quantified or proven.
That being said, I think B comes off better thus far because she has a larger stage and she speaks in more tagible facts like “alcoholic, eating disorder, etc…” as well as unprovable stuff like “verbally abusive”.
The father leaving the mom at 4 vs the mom leaving the dad at 2 are details, so calling B a “Liar” and saying the home wasn’t “broken” just make the mom look like an idiot. She may have had only 5 minutes to plead her case, but she botched it up badly IMHO.
In a previous article (People mag?), B’s mom admitted that the police were sometimes called to the house due to her & her husband’s fights, but no one was arrested. IIRC her then husband, another horse trainer, admitted he hit B’s mother once but only to calm her down since she was out of control. He also said that she drank a lot and IIRC said something that suggested that she had an eating disorder.
If B’s mom “truth telling” consists of stuff like “she didn’t come from a broken home, I left her father when she was two,” and “yes, the cops would come out, but no one was arrested” she’s not exactly helping her case.
From the mother and step-father’s admissions to the press, it doesn’t quite sound like an Ozzie and Harriet home life. And that’s just what they publicly have admitted.
You´re right. More like Ozzy and Sharon.
Roseann Barr’s accusations against her parents came from “recovered memories.” That’s very different.
We all have our own perceptions of reality but I agree with Hobby and Error that B’s mom is inadvertantly confirming much of what Bethenny has said.
IIRC the step-dad confirmed everything bad B said about her mom (crazy, boozer, ED), but denied what she said about him. Then the Mom confirmed everything bad B said about the step-dad (abusive violent, police called) but denied everything about herself. So, in my book, they confirmed everything she said.
His actions the first time she went to see her dad and he wouldn’t see her speak volumes. If anyone questions Bethenny’s mother’s parenting skills I think they should re-read this quote from the interview:
“Even though she is bad mouthing her father she was always after his affection.”
Typical of a borderline, she shows complete lack of empathy for a child and for what their natural and genetic drives are, securing the love of a parent is an inborn drive and a life or death matter when it comes to a child’s survival. That urge takes a very long time to die, for a lot of people it is never overcome. For her mother to have this poor an understanding of why a child would want love from a parent is very chilling and quite a testimony to Bethenny’s claims that this woman is disturbed. I post regularly on a site for children of parents with borderline personality disorder and when Bethenny spoke about not inviting her mother to the wedding because a) the mother would cause drama and b) the mother would make the wedding about herself, I posted those comments there because I have heard this so many times from children of BPD’s on there. In fact ‘should I invite mom to the wedding and risk it being ruined’ is a very common topic of discussion on that site. She is the first public figure I have heard talking openly about this and it was very heartening to read, I’m not sure if she knows what she is dealing with in her mother but I am sure that if this woman keeps talking to the press she will eventually dig her own grave. I hope Bethenny will rise above it and not respond. I think she had a tough time of it and she came out on top.
So I know we shouldn’t eat aft 7pm but whats being served (who’s eating/drinking what) at the reunion/premier/WWL tonight? Anything special? Skinny Girl cocktails & faux bois hors d’œuvre (Ha) or the much less fibrous & easier to digest foie gras?
lol I’ll be in class (disappointed because I wanted to see live 30 Rock actually live) & catch it all on the dvr later if I can stay awake. I’ll be enjoying my usual unhealthy snack/addiction of JuJuBee’s washed down with iced water (Kelly jokes welcomed).
Enjoy all!
Cyber food has no calories, fat, carbs, or substance. So enjoy… You can have it all.
Morgan is an ass, but I thought his dress was dull and ordinary, so I’m surprised he won. Heather H’s dress was much better, but I seem to remember they had an issue with her deserts. Even Erika’s dress had some interest to it. Morgans looked like he just copied something he saw on a rack while passing thru Macy’s. I thought the challenge was about creativity, and I saw none in his outfit. He even described it as a basic black dress.
I really like Morgan – he provides a great contrast to “team diva”…his arrogance is well deserved – he keeps winning! If he was arrogant and kept losing (remember Kenley Collins in Project Runway?) then I think I would have more issues with him.
I can’t stand Heather H after her temper tantrum last week. She volunteered to do more work and didn’t win – what did she want from Morgan? An engraved thank you?
I like Morgan too, yes he is more than a little cocky but I don’t think that is a bad thing if someone can back it up. I don’t recall him making disparaging remarks about the other competitors- he just likes to toot his own horn.
And ITA about Heather H. she is turning into a nagging shrew. I don’t know why someone with her capabilities is so bitter and angry.
I think Heather’s error is she believes hard work will triumph over “wow” factor.
We saw this at least twice now, where Morgan created a much simpler dress with much less technique but won the challenge with the visual effect, and when he also won the challenge by doing only one desert instead of the two this teammates offered.
I think Morgan won because his Petite Fours tasted much better than the others.
If anything I think Heather thinks the bells and whistles should give her the winning advantage but really it’s going to (or at least should) come down to taste.
And what was with the two ladies using vegetables in their dress. My hubby thought it was pathetic that that Heather C. keeps on saying she doesn’t work with chocolate= and compared it to the Chef on Hell’s Kitchen last year who said they didn’t know how to cook meat.
Plenty of people can win challenges without displaying what an horrid person they truly are. Mondo vs Gretchen on PR is a prime example.
Deserved wins or not, I fail to see what it has to do with his sexist attitude, his rudeness in the kitchen, and his need to tell the camera every 5 minutes that he’s not gay. Are pastry chefs like hair dressers and interior decorators? Even then, we’ve pretty much moved beyond that steriotype, so Puhlease bitch, shut up with the “Poor me, I’m the only straight guy” bit every other scene. Morganza! LOL
Heather may be rough around the edges ( I wonder what her single mom was like.. plain spoken straight shooter I’d imagine) but I actually agree with what she says. I like how the only other option to graved invitation is to not thank anyone at all and take all the credit. Again, Erik just earlier had shown the correct way to handle the situation by simply taking the 5 seconds it took to verbally thank his teammates. Just because she made too big a deal out of it doesn’t make what Morgan did right.
I suspect next week we may rethink this, as the promos indicate Morgan really acting poorly. But all bets are off when it comes to Bravo promos. LOL
I’m not a PR fan but I will take your word for it. 🙂
Maybe I missed it but I didn’t really catch the sexist vibe from him. I know they mentioned him calling the female chefs ‘honey’ and things of that nature but without being there to know the context it was said in, I can’t say I would find it demeaning. Although, I may be desensitized a bit- when I was a Customer Service Manger for a grocery store- there was a curmudgeon of Store Manger who would refer to the front end cashiers as ‘Skirts’.
I am just not feeling Heather anymore- which is disappointing because I really liked her in the beginning when she was more tactful- like the first time Seth broke down and she talked about leaving emotion out of the kitchen. She seems to have forgotten her own words.
I think you are right about next week.
thanks Sha200 and Waxdiva for the South Park Jersey Housewives link. That was hysterical, but also very realistic. LOL
“That was hysterical, but also very realistic.”
Ha! That was funnier than the episode!
We talked about regional sayings the other day (remember nice Jewish boy), but the references to cabbage…I’ve never head that! I guess it’s more gutter slang than state slang. Was that something they ever said on RHONJ? I don’t recall hearing it.
Yeah, I’d never heard it before either.
I am born and raised in NJ, and I have never heard that before.
Meant to say thanks for the link also.
I googled it. It’s the New Jersey pronunciation of “garbage.” “Muff garbage” means garbage that comes from the vagina.
Lol, I figured that one out ; ) …I was wondering about the cabbage. I found this:
cabbage = a half witted slow person lacking brain , mildly referred to term “vegetable”.
But they used it as a sexual term.
Reunion Shows: I wish that instead of Andy tossing softball questions they’d bring a co-host forhim from one of the other franchises.
I mean, wouldn’t you love NeNe grilling the Salahi’s?
I’d love to see Jeff Lewis or Bethnney interview the SaLIEhi’s; even Alex would try to do a good interview. But no matter who did, I doubt we’d get any truth from those two delusional air-heads.
We think alike Sha. I think Bethenny would be great!
Bethenny used to write blogs on housewives and she has stopped. I think she doesn’t want to deal with the return fired from idiots.
I don’t think the idea of other HWs questioning HWs would work as they are all “stars” dependent on public favor for their paycheck. HWs criticizing each other is tacky and often back-fires, which is why we often see them stick up for each other even though it’s hard to imaging people like Alex and Caroline being actual real life friends.
I also think it’s funny that viewers are so into the shows that they really expect these reunions, which in reality are just bs fests to milk one, tow or even more days out of the viewer after the real show is over, to mimic Nixon/Frost interviews or Senate hearings! LOL Yeah, we’d all love to see them called on their obvious bs, but they won’t be in that format no matter who’s doing the mcing. It’s the court of opinion where they are judged and sentenced,a s B so wisely realized and explained to dumb as adoor post Kiki at their reunion.
Lynn, thanks for always being so quick to post interesting blogs!
What exactly is Bethenny’s mom’s definition of a broken home?? It really irks me when estranged parents of celebrities suddenly come out of hiding to rebut the past. Bethenny’s reality is her reality. If “Mom” really cared about Bethenny, she’d contact her and do everything she needs to do to prove to her daughter that she’s sorry and wants to work at a healthy relationship, no matter what it would take. She wouldn’t go bad-mouthing her in the press.
I totally believe Bethenny, even if every exact detail isn’t true. You can tell she came from a very dysfunctional background, and she still carries alot of pain from the past.
I so admire that she’s trying to redeem that, and create a beautiful family.
Mom- go away unless you want to contribute to Bethenny’s life in a positive way!
Grrrr. This topic really gets under my skin. Can you tell??
I just read what radaronline passes for an “interview”.
The woman sounds drunk. Honestly, are those answers even coherent? The last time she spoke to Bethenny was 10 years ago? That makes Bethenny 29. I don’t think Bethenny at age 29 was going around acting like a teenager.
Something doesn’t sound right and I am still on Bethenny’s side.
Mom should have excercised her right to remain silent.
Does Radaronlie pay for interviews? Maybe that was the incentive.
I have the View on my TV in the kitchen while I am cleaning. Oh boy! Whoopie and Joy just walked off stage during a conversation with Bill O’Reilly. Never heard such screaming during a live interview. Not even a fan of the show; just using the TV for background noise.
Is there any show where people can converse intelligently, not be screamed at or talked over and are not cut off? Do any of these people have the capacity to see another’s point of view without calling them names or ridiculing them or walking off? Another reason that I haven’t watched The View for months… but, I will be searching for today’s segment.
Needless to say I am not an O’Reilly viewer, but I don’t get why they would agree to talk with him only to walk off? Raise your voice, make your point, even argue if you must; but why walk off? There are how many people to interview there? Give it to someone else then; I am sure Barbara hasn’t agreed with every signal person she has interviewed in her career. I watch the view about 2 or 3 times a year if there’s someone I really want to see interviewed, otherwise I find the show annoying & I just followed them on twitter last week. If I want to see an in-depth interview I’ll catch 60 mins.
Correction-UN followed.
I have to say, Whoopie started out with an attitude. No reason why everyone had to be there. If you have problems with the guest, just sit out. There are certainly enough people to take over.
I usually don’t watch the View because of all the talking over each other they do; today it was actually yelling, with a few words beeped out.
Anyway, the reunion tonight may be more of the same, with Andy yelling “One at a time”.
“If you have problems with the guest, just sit out. There are certainly enough people to take over.”
That’s my point exactly.
What the heck happened? Bill O’Reilly is the more reasonable Fox anchor (let that one sink in) lately. Whoopi might explode if they invite Glenn Beck on the show. I can’t even tolerate clips of Glenn Beck. His schtick is all about a dollar bill and people actually take him seriously! He’s just sets the dial to 10 and spews garbage–he is not a journalist! Excuse my mini rant…
The conversation turned to Ground Zero and the Mosque. That is what set everyone off.
I can’t stand the View, I don’t want to get to deep into politics or anything controversial because it’s not I have a different political leaning than most of the panel- it’s their deliverance.
I find them ALL to be very self-righteous and pontificating.
Ahhh, thanks for responding. I’m gonna try to find a clip. Sounds interesting…
I know that’s an emotional topic but if it can’t be discussed without walking out; how will each side understand each other?
Whoopie walked off? They are talking about it on GoodDay LA and they said Whoopie didn’t walk off because she called in sick that day.
IDK, RR. Are you on the West Coast. Maybe it has been edited for viewing there. I saw it here on the East Coast live. Joy and Whoopie definitely stood up from the couch and walked off.
Yes , I am on the WC. 🙂
GDLA is talking about it- I am not sure if it’s aired here or not. They just talked about Joy going ape sh!t= and although it was rumored Whoopie walked off- it’s not true because she wasn’t there today.
Here it is:
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/oreilly-comments-lead-to-walk-off-at-the-view/
They were wrong to just walk off; they should have pointed out to O’Reilly that FOX’s second biggest stock holder is a Saudi that’s funding the mosque & gotten his take on that….
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/08/fox-shareholder-funded-mosque-imam/
it would be a lot more interesting & informative than walking off, but I guess they are more for entertainment than news. Why did they book him????
Whoopie is in the video linked above, she was there, maybe it was prerecorded?
Thanks for the link, I did see Whoopie in the video but I really can’t stomach watching the View so I didn’t make it through the whole thing. I guess you can say I ‘walked off’ the video 😉
LOL- just now they made a correction about Whoopie. She said she was confused with another argument O”Reilly had with Joy.
I won’t watch The View. I can’t stand any of the women including Whoopie.
I loathe Bill O’Reilly. But he was a guest on their show. If they didn’t want to listen to his POV then they shouldn’t have invited him. If the producer invited him against their wishes they shouldn’t have been part of the interview. But walking off was unprofessional.
I imagine that journalists conduct many interviews with those whom they disagree (and maybe can’t stand nor would socialize in their personal lives). Interviewers are there to gather facts not make friends. A good interviewer would use the facts to to steer the conversation away from sensationalism or opinion. What is the point in conducting an interview if the person that you are questioning agrees with everything that you believe? How else does one get to the truth if one isn’t willing to listen? Unless there is blatant disrespect occurring, an interview should consist of questions and answers and the interviewers should be mature enough to listen to what others are saying and return with requests for clarification and/or facts. Whoopi and Joy have proven that they aren’t journalists and that The View is really only tolerant of those whom hold to their beliefs. I saw a headline that Barbara Walters labeled the actions of Whoopi and Joy unprofessional. There’s very little on which she and I agree but you have to respect the fact that she realizes what the true role of a journalist is.
I caught the South Park episode last night and…WOW. They went for the jugular (as usual) and I love them for it. Really, it was an animated version of what most of us think of Teresa…and Caroline…and the Snookie Monster. IMHO, they all deserved to be slammed. Hope is was a splash of cold water to the face for all of them. It’s waaayyy past reality check time for them.
I’ve only watched a couple of episodes of the DC franchise and I found the Salahi’s repulsive and the rest dull. If they bring the DC franchise back, it needs an overhaul. Begin by ditching the Salahi’s. They are a special brand of creepy crazy that no one wants to see.
I’m gonna check out the Beverly Hills ladies. If only because I vaguely recall Kim Richards as a child actress waaaayyy back when I was very little. She did a lot of guest shots, no? That and I want to see how Camille Grammer’s marital implosion is handled. At first I wondered why Camille would want to play in the reality show muck and mire–but then I remembered she was a Club MTV dancer (yeesh!). So, I’m sure she’s bored with being a respectable lady! LOL
Someone should tweet them the SP link.
My 18-month old woke me up at 4:30am so I watched it. I was really laughing so hard I was crying. I think it was a best and longest laugh I have had in a while.
I was trying to remember when I saw M.S. without Tarq, and the only filming times I can think of was when she was with Staci Turner is Paris, and when she was with the cheerleading squad making a fool of herself. She seems to need his bs to support her, doesn’t she?
Can anyone think of another time?
She arrived ahead of him at a salon event. He does seem to have quite a bit of free time for someone who’s “re-building” a winery.
Who does he talk to and wait for calls from on that phone?
and why do they always seem to need a driver & a limo?
They are co-dependent narcissists with some serious issues. I don’t think McHale really wanted to marry Tarmac, as their wedding was postponed numerous times, but went ahead anyway. IMO, she got caught up with him and his scams and became a full-fledged participant. If you haven’t seen their wedding video, it’s interesting… interesting, as they are as phoney now as they are on the video.:
I agree with your assessment. When two sick people find each other…heaven help! They need each other to keep the bubble of delusion from bursting!
Thanks, lol four minuets & forty six seconds that I can’t get back; I suggest scrolling to the end . I agree, it is interesting same exact smile expression on each of their faces at the end.
and he sure was skinnier.
I’m a sucker for a wedding, it was lovely. They do deserve each other because for all of the CRAZY, they really do love each other. They will be Bonnie & Clyde til the end!
They were married in St. Matthews Cathedral in DC? That’s where they had JFK’s funeral. How did they pull it off?
For anyone who is interested the cast of “Sister Wives” is on Oprah today.
Still have the TV on while cleaning.
Well here you all are! I had just posted a comment on the last blog about how quiet is was over there! Duh!
BTW, Happy B Day to DD!
Thanks for the heads up, American Idiot… I’ll have to make sure to watch that smarmy creep and his Sister Wives on Oprah today, for sure.
Here’s The View/Bill O’Reilly interview:
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/oreilly-comments-lead-to-walk-off-at-the-view/
I like Whoopie but it seems she is big on the walk off:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/whoopi-goldberg-almost-wa_n_379394.html
Who can walk off their job when it get’s tough?
I can’t stand any of The View women. It has been rumored that Baba will be retiring and handing over the show to Hasselbitch, which has totally got Whoopie and Behar in a roar. Sherry is just plain dumb…very lucky, but in way over her head.
I read that Elizabeth was going to GMA….?
She has just been hired as an occasional contributor on family issues ON GMA.. Her debut journalism on GMA was this past Monday, when she read, I mean , reported a story on teens and tatoos.
I don’t like her at all, but I was wondering, thanks.
I personally loathe Bill O’Reilly but that “little snit” of walking offstage as these two “divas” just did was beyond stupid.
No one says they must agree with him, hell I don’t, but just the same, what did these two morons gain by behaving like absolute idiots in stomping off in a huff over a discussion that resonates throughout the nation?
A pompous bore was just made to look like a “hero” by two women who believe that what they have to say is far more important than any respect shown toward a guest. Something tells me that Whoopi and Joy had made up their minds to do just what they did prior to his appearance.
It is one thing to disagree but another to behave like total assholes in making a point. Far better had they remained, argued their points which may have displayed more of his idiotic arrogance, and moved on.
The media continually reaches new lows with their presentations that allow people to behave like thugs simply because they can get away with it.
It must be a “rainy day in hell” when I find myself defending the likes of Bill O’Reilly.
The female producer that sued O’Reilly got quiet as soon as she received the check.
I have no use for anyone on the View either. They were rude to Bethenny and she was simply trying to get a word in edgewise.
Her name is Andrea Mackris. If you ever want to get Bill mad, just say the words: “Fallafel” or ” Loofah”. If you know the backstory about why Mackris sued O’Reilly and won an out of court settlement – then you will know how those words were used by Bill to her. Ah hem. He was a very naughty married boy.
Eeewwwww! Fallafel, that sounds like the South Park Jersey cabbage thing. There goes two foods I like!
More info: O’Reilley was on tape calling her home and making the sexy talk (that’s me channeling Borat-speak), and he said that he’d like to rub a fallafel all over her in the shower. He meant to say loofah !
That said, this was vewy, vewy quietly settled out of court.
That is so funny. But maybe he has a food fetish and really meant fallafel!
yep, she had him by the short hairs because her accusations were true, she had him on tape. I think she had like 150k in student loans and once she got her settlement she went on with her life. She, I’m sure, wasn’t the first or the last, she was just smart enough to get it on tape.
Actually, O’Reilly sued Mackris first for extortion. That’s when it was game on and she countersued for sexual harrassment. They settled out of court and both cases were dropped.
And of course she “got quiet” when the case was settled….terms of the settlement agreement no doubt included that she not discuss the matter.
Hmmm. Why would he sue her first?
Because he’s not the brightest tool in the shed and he’s a bully? JMO. He was trying to slam her and her credibility, as a preemptive move against her. But it backfired. It just resulted in stuff he didn’t want public going public when she filed her suit—the stuff she put in her filing when she sued. Apparently, she had made tapes of their conversations.
IIRC Mackris had previously filed complaints with Fox through their internal process but they went nowhere. Litigation was not her first choice.
Extortion is a crime. If O’Reilly in fact had a case he would have taken it to law enforcement as Letterman did. That he didn’t do that and instead filed a civil suit suggests what I surmised above….he was trying to ruin her rep and credibility. He shot himself in the foot on that one IMO, given how it turned out.
Thanks Need. Best explanation I have read on that case.
I saw the man who wrote Bill O’Reilly’s authorized biography on the Daily Show a couple of years back. He was a big fan of O’Reilly’s but wanted to be truthful in the book. Most of what he wrote was flattering but O’Reilly was furious that he didn’t come off like a saint and was horrible to the guy. He is truly a bully.
They were rude to Bethhenney. They are rude to everyone. Exhibit B: Did you catch E. Hasselbeck yawning and stretching and rolling her eyes in an incredible petulant and unprofessional display to Kathy Griffin a few months back to show her anger at Griffin, while the others interviewed her? I never saw anything like it on TV. How do these people get these cushy TV interview jobs? Like these reality TV stars? Oh that’s right Hasselbeck was on Survivor.
she really got owned by Kathy that day, I love the part where Kathy tells her ‘this is how I write my act, so bring it on’… and the audience went crazy. Elizabeth was really off her game that day, she didn’t confront Griffin with any valid points but said her act ‘wasn’t funny’. I think it was because that interview was personal for her and she couldn’t get animatronic with her talking points.
As far as Whoopi and Joy walking off, what O’Reilly said was so xenophobic that I don’t blame them. It was inflammatory…it takes the discourse to such a low level that it would literally take a half an hour or 45 minutes to respond to a statement like that. And you don’t have that amount of time on the view.
Well said Olivia I agree 100%!
I agree, everyone but Bawbra, is rude on the view. Stopped watching when Rosie the Bully became the mouth for the program. If I wanted to be entertained watching fighting, screaming and hatefulness I’d go visit my aunt Mary and uncle Frank.
LOL ! Tootsie.
Tootsie: “If I wanted to be entertained watching fighting, screaming and hatefulness I’d go visit my aunt Mary and uncle Frank.”
LOL!! I agree and cannot stomach their rudeness. I only watch the view when I’m held hostage to it at the nail salon. But Barbara is the most polite and professional, imho.
I’ll wait to hear the reviews on Beverly Hills. Too much of the same shit for me. Twins aside, I can’t tell these bitches apart! Same rail thin bodies, fake boobs, same botoxed faces with turkey waddle necks,same fake bake leathery skin, same shade of blonde hair with center part and extensions. They go to the same plastic surgeons, salons, and shop same retailers. And I’m supposed to envy these beef jerky looking Stepford Wives? At least NY had different haircolors and body types. I’m oversaturated with mannekin type HouseWives. I heard a rumor about Miami:-) Maybe they will be diverse and keep my interest. Beverly Hills…meh
I can’t watch it. Just another exercise in the “same old, same old” format but with a different cast. Screaming, demeaning, bragging, about all they have while complaining about the dumbest things as the rest of the country vibrates with economic woes.
One small outtake showed two of the women in the back of a limo lunging at one another. Who needs to see more of that pre packaged violence and displays of vulgarity just for the sake of ratings?
I am debating whether or not to even tune into the reunion show tonight where two of the “plastic castmates” are attacked and beaten up on camera all for sport. Sure the Salahi’s are ridiculous. Yes they have been taken to task by most of the media since last year. I also agree that they had it coming for pretending to be something they are not. You reap what you sew.
But that being said, another evening of screaming, hollering, name calling, and a pile on from this “gang of nobodies” is not my idea of “entertainment”. Teresa more or less was given a “pass” by Bravo for her outrageous behavior but apparently the Salahi’s are going to be made to feel the wrath of the others hoping that this will gin up the ratings even more.
I didn’t set the record either. I really don’t care about Hollywood or Atlanta. The women in those two shows will be pretty much the same.
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I don’t find RHoA so much about the south as it is “African American Housewives” which definitely sets it apart with a different tone and vibe IMHO.
RHoNJ is distinct to me as they are all trash. Not trash dressed up like high class HWs like on RHoOC, but trash displayed in all it’s gutter glory.
RHoNY is distinct to me because as my work wife once said “But, they’re not housewives at all! If you want to do a show about single working moms, do it, just stop calling it Housewives!” LOL
I think RHoBH will be what the RHoOC wish they were, or pretended to be. Now we will have actual D list housewives, instead of z list housewives pretending to be D list.
I have no idea what RHoDC was suppose to be about, but without the gate crashers gate crashing, there seems to be no show. Stacie doing a slightly more polite version of Nene’s “who’s my real dad?'” plot from last season just isn’t cutting it.
The same personality types is what I meant.
Prima donnas…
I am looking forward to it…but hubby is not.
He told me he won’t be watching it- and if I have any plans to that I will be watching it without him when he is either sleeping or otherwise occupied but defiantly not during our communal tv time.
I’ve watch Bill O enough to know he can’t disagree with anyone without raising his voice and pointing his finger in the person’s face. I would bite it off if he ever did that to me. I wish all his guest would walk off when he starts with the yelling. That is the only way he can disagree with someone. And it is rude. I will always walk away from people who start yelling during a conversation. It is rude and uncalled for.
“I will always walk away from people who start yelling during a conversation. It is rude and uncalled for.”
I agree, but they are there to interview, it’s what they are paid to do & what the viewer tuned in to watch.
Actually, I tune in to see what I saw today!! I wish I could see more of it!
Sha2000, my body looks like a patchwork quilt with all the pain patches slapped on. I have been homebound for 3 years and need some excitement or happiness in my life. Watching anyone walk away from a bully makes me smile. Bill has made a lot of money screaming at people and being a bully. I would have liked it if everyone had walked off and he had been sitting there with his mike cut of. Just my opinion, 😉
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like him at all & mike off would have been beautiful; I just thought that walking was an unprofessional thing for a “journalist” to do. Ione I am sorry to hear about your condition, I hope some of the time you spend here brings you extra happiness.
Wishing you well,
Susan
Thank you, Susan. I lurk, mostly, but I do love to read everyone’s take on the RH shows. I liked NY and, at the start, NJ. Could not get into Atlanta. Too loud and confrontational for my taste. But it now seems all of them are being loud, confrontational and just not likeable people.
Ione… is it too personal to ask about your physical condition?
I have regional pain syndrome. It started with a minor surgical procedure, then thyroid disfunction and almost zero vitamin D level. I live in the south but have such a fair skin color, I always use sunscreen and cover up when in the sun. Anyway, I have been enjoying all the comments here and bless Lynn for maintaining this site. I enjoy it sooo much. Thank you for asking.
Ione -I’m sorry you are in so much pain and homebound. I will clap for anything that brings you the excitment and happiness you mentioned.
Any chnace of a full or at least partial recovery for you?
There is an experimental treatment in Germany and Mexico my children are encouraging me to do. It would take a big part of my retirement, might not work and, of course, always the possibility of death during the treatment.
At this point, we are trying different pain control methods.
It’s good you can come here and get away for a while. Best wishes to you.
Thank you. I don’t remember how I found the site. But I knew I had something in common with most; we all hate Jill Zarin, lol.
Ione-
So sorry to hear that you are in pain-but so happy you come here to enjoy the snark, and the great posters here.
Feel better and contribute often
“And I’m supposed to envy these beef jerky looking Stepford Wives?”
Very well said!
They are going to want us to feel sorry for them as their rich husbands cheat on them and toss them aside one by one. If they have all of that money, why go on TV and expose your lives for ridicule?
I can’t believe it’s taken the Richards sisters this long to be on TV, I’d almost expect them to be the original “Real Housewives” not the latest.
There will certainly be a ring in Dante’ inferno for Kathy Richards Hilton, Dina Lohan, Joe Simpson, Billy Cirus, Sharon Osborne, Linda Jenner, etc..
I agree with all the names on your list, but did you mean Linda Jenner? (possibly Bruce Jenner’s first wife?) or Kris Jenner, his current wife and mom to all the Kardashians?
Enjoy doubtful, pity maybe, laugh at definately!
I’m looking forward to seeing the opulence of Beverly Hills, their mansions in contrast to the apartments/brownstones of NY and McMansions of ATL and NJ and OC. Finally, we will see some AlexisCarringtonColby shit! LOL
Already it looks like the queen bitch is Kyle. She’s front and center in all publicity shots, runs the conversations and is rude to her sister. And that’s just the promos.
These women are rich. Not usetobes, wannabes or gonnabes. No faking, no fooling, no effing around! RICH! TMAN, NENE, SHEREE, KIM, TAMRA, VICKI & JILL will be besides themselves. I love it!
Bet the brokedown other RHs will be spitting nails now that the undisputed high class, real money babes are coming to Bravotown! Wouldn’t it be interesting to by a fly on the wall in some of their houses tonight…..
So true. I am not sure if I will watch.
Yoo women are sad. All you do is sit and blog about the drivel on Bravo all day. Please get a job or take a class.
Whats your story? Clearly, no job or class.
Why do I suddenly hear Rodney Dangerfield’s voice saying “Why don’t you give me a call me sometime when you have no class”? I loved that line.
Maybe you should take a class and learn how to spell the word YOU!
Did you read the name of the blog, Einstein??? er, Tre??? Teresa, is that you???
Teresa tweeted:
“I guess I was on South Park last night? I don’t watch that show. Was it funny? “
Riiiiiight… Teresa has probably watched it twenty times by now.
I know Diva!
I know. Totally don’t believe her. She’s way too self absorbed to not watch. She’s probably just embarassed. They made her caricature extra ugly.
Wrong spot again, sorry! Please commence with the deserved quips back at Tre….
Hey maybe Tre is a closet Housewives fan? That’s why he comes here to get updated & then hates himself for enjoying the fresh gossip that’s served & so he snaps at us.At least that’s my take…how else could he have found us? Tre, you can’t beat us so why not join us; you know you want to.
She doesn’t watch South Park, yet she has commented on it in an article along with Caroline and Danielle – what a funky monkey.
Riiiiight. Because it’s a blog about Bravo shows. Thanks for catching up!
I actually have a job and am taking a class. But I ‘preciate the suggestion.
Tre The Troll!!!
My favorite little trollie trollie! Which bridge in New Joisey have you been hiding under?
Ok I’m game for a job and a class! Where should I work and where do I get me some class? I know you have so many great ideas for us! Can’t wait to hear your contributions!
As always, thank you for posting!
FYI TRE: I’m back from my class.
Damn, that’s it, I have a job AND I’m in school part time. I didn’t know that it was an either/or decision and now I am doomed!
Wow, too much to read from last night; frankly after the dispute I had here last week I’m glad I missed it all! I will pass along what I learned last week (to all no sides here); don’t react to a post immediately, stop, reread & COMPREHEND. Lot’s of assumptions are inadvertently made here because of miss understanding of what was actually posted; rereading can avoid that pitfall. Okay. Caught the reunion late last night & I actually enjoyed it. It was nice to see & hear four intelligent women converse & even disagree in a somewhat respectful way (unlike NJ & NY). Michaiela (or however its spelled- I really could careless about finding the correct spelling), seem a waste to me & it’s a shame. She’s not stupid just completely deluded & what we see is her drunk on that delusion. How many women in this have followed a man down the wrong path? Eventually they wake up or something gives or they wake up because something gives; it’s about a year past that time for her. I hope she get’s out of that relationship & gets her act together. Cat, hated her first two episodes & love her now. I respect her being so straght foward. Subtitles for Cat? Really Bravo how stupid do you think your audience is? Mary making fun of herself drunk was hilarious, love her. Stacie, she’s smart & nice, great combination who dosen’t like that? Linda? She’s smart but I’m still warming up to her. Looking forward to watching next week.
Wow, too much to read from last night; frankly after the dispute I had here last week I’m glad I missed it all! I will pass along what I learned last week (to all no sides here); don’t react to a post immediately, stop, reread & COMPREHEND. Lot’s of assumptions are inadvertently made here because of miss understanding of what was actually posted; rereading can avoid that pitfall. Okay. Caught the reunion late last night & I actually enjoyed it. It was nice to see & hear four intelligent women converse & even disagree in a somewhat respectful way (unlike NJ & NY). Michaiela (or however its spelled- I really could careless about finding the correct spelling), seem a waste to me & it’s a shame. She’s not stupid just completely deluded & what we see is her drunk on that delusion. How many women in this have followed a man down the wrong path? Eventually they wake up or something gives or they wake up because something gives; it’s about a year past that time for her. I hope she get’s out of that relationship & gets her act together. Cat, hated her first two episodes & love her now. I respect her being so straight forward. Subtitles for Cat? Really Bravo how stupid do you think your audience is? Mary making fun of herself drunk was hilarious, love her. Stacie, she’s smart & nice, great combination who dosen’t like that? Linda? She’s smart but I’m still warming up to her. Looking forward to watching next week.
Opps!!!
Lynn, can you please delete both? I meant to be down thread….sorry!
Thanks
QuincyIl,
I swear I think our dads must be “brothers from another mother”!
The younger Kardashian girls call their 1/2 brother Brody their brother from another mother.
We probably look alike then.
lol… The only pictures I see on the site are your beautiful paintings so I can’t tell. I really admire people with artistic talent. My mom was a wonderful artist (she went to Moore College of Art in the late 60’s), but I can barely draw stick figures.
Thank you all for the B day wishes…….It means alot from my cyber buddies and buddettes…….
have to work tonite, but of course will haul butt home to catch all that is happening on Bravo tonite…guess it’s going to be another late nite of tv viewing…Hope they rip
tarwreck and deep throat a new one….
Hugs and Peace
Diva
BTW,,,my correct name is TheDesignDiva…….LOL
OT:
Open minded people are on this site, but I was wondering what you might think about this:
/sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Golfer-challenges-LPGA-s-rule-you-have-to-be-bor?urn=golf-276806
There was a problem with a hermaphodite running as a woman in African races too. I guess they should be allowed to pick a sport and a gender then forced to stay with it. Of course, it will be female because the level of competition is slightly lower. Women will just have to be better to overcome the advantage of these people.
BTW… transgender surgeries are ok with the Islamic Republic. They see it as a way to help people not be gay. When I heard this, I was surprised.
Transgender surgery is also ok with the Catholic Church provided the chromosome testing confirms that the person did end up with wrong equipment so to speak.
Medical science and religions are really on a crash course. So many things can be done to affect the hormone balance of the babies and their gender choices. It’s ” Brave New World.”
That is amazing.
There is so much wrong with that statement I don’t even know where to begin! LOL
Hmm.. if only I had opted for costly, dangerous surgery to change the body God or nature gave me, then it would be ok for me to lay with a man! Yeah, that sounds good! Good lord almightly, allah really does seem to have a problem with basic logic! LOL
People from all over the Islamic world travel to Terhan for those surgeries.
I am for equal rights in all things. I support gay marriage and adoption by gay parents.
Just telling you what is up on the planet…
Yeah, there’s a difference and distinction between gender identity issues and sexual orientation. Some people apparently don’t get that. Among other things.
Sister Wives on Oprah now.
Happy Birthday Design Diva. I don’t have the time to readthe blog and the comments yet. Just want to drop in to wish you a happy birthday and a wonderful year ahead of you.
Best Wishes Design Diva!
I’m watching Sister Wives with Oprah. I don’t like that I’m so set in my ways that I don’t like these people’s lifestyle. They seem happy so why should it bother me? It really doesn’t “bother” me, however, I don’t approve of it. I keep thinking of how the young boys of the people in Texas are treated when they reach teenage years. That group has kicked out, left homeless the young boys so the young girls are available for the older men. The thought of sharing a home with another woman with my husband makes me kinda sick.
That first wife of his is miserable. Since she’s his only legal wife, she could sue the pants off him (heh) in divorce court. Hope she does. He obviously gets his jollies from the rivalry caused by the new skinny woman.
I don’t understand how these people could be prosecuted for a crime, though. If only his first marriage is legal, then how can they claim he’s illegally married to the others? They’re consenting adults carrying on an alternative lifestyle, is how I see it.
Poor kids, though. More children exploited for the sake of their famewhore parents. These kids all go to public school. One can only imagine the ridicule they probably receive.
The first wife (Meri) somehow reminds me of Lynn Curtin from the OC. I just don’t like Kody. He gives me the creeps. The oldest son was quite talkative and seemed quite comfortable.
Didn’t see anything that would make me want to watch any more of the show than the 2 episodes I have already seen.
I don’t think the wife’s are truly happy or at least I can’t understand how they could be since it goes well beyond a one sided partnership- IMO it’s says that women are replaceable, expendable and nothing more than concubines.
Apparently, that happens in the Hamptons, NYC, NJ, Atlanta, DC, OC, and BH too. Did I mention it happens her in the boondocks too? Husbands can be tossed aside also.
I have a hard time dealing with a sister in law who is my husband’s first cousin and shares grandparents with my husband and his brother, her husband. She has known my husband since she was born and thinks she can tell us what to do. This is as close to a sister wife as I wish to go.
That and Warren Jeffs group in Colorado City Utah. Old men pick the young 14 year old girls for their wives, “marry” them and they are having babies at 15. The young boys are kicked out with no education or knowledge of the real world lost and alone.
They are not kicked out. I was one of the attorneys on that case. Do not believe what the media has put out there.
hope this link works.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborge
You realize that I have actual, personal experience with this group. Suggesting I read some articles written by those with ulterior motives is, in a word, insulting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_%28Fundamentalist_Mormonism%29
The wives who are not married, I bet they are eligible for public help and I bet they collect on it. They would have to be millionaires to just afford health insurance for all of them. He is not legally married to 3 of the women so the husband’s work health insurance would not be eligible for those women or their children. I didn’t get what the new wife does, whether staying home or working. Each wife, except for the first one, would have to work to have affordable health insurance. Otherwise, it would cost a fortune. Notice his car is a Lexus, a sports model. With that many children!! Wow, he has it made.
Caught the end of the show. One blonde mom is the stay-at-home mom. The other blonde mom is a career mom. New wife #4 and wife #1 are looking for work. They said they pool their resources. No mention of public assistance.
They can’t get by without health insurance. The new baby was born in a hospital. Maybe he covers all the kids through his job, and one wife. The other wives cover themselves?
I think his bio-children would qualify as his legal dependents regardless of the legal relationship he has with the mother. Do some of the “wifes” have jobs? Maybe the are self insured?
The first wife said she lost her job (something in the mental health industry) because of her involvement in the show. She’s the only one I feel sorry for. She had no idea what she was in for when she married that creep 20 years ago. She obviously suffers from very low self-esteem.
I feel bad for her too. She seems so out of it. She only has one child. She has never been able to have any others. Maybe she feels subpar, because the other wives seem to have no trouble multiplying.
But didn’t she say she grew up in a polygyamist environment? I think she knew what she was in for. I remember from the show her saying she thought she would bear more children than the one child. So maybe some of her misery is in watching her sister wives provide 12 children for this man to her one.
Did she say she was from a poly background? Must have missed it when I was distracted by real life here.
This series is doomed. I think I heard an advertisement for the finale, and meanwhile in real-time the sister clan is collapsing.
When it comes to TLC, I’ll stick with Toddlers and Tiaras (if it come back- I hope) and of course my faves, the Duggars.
Thanks for that info. I was wondering if any of the wives came from poly families.
I was actually surprised how affordable health insurance was for me and my daughter. I got a good plan through Etna and my premium was $152 a month and my daughter (on her own plan) is $65 a month. It is a PPO and includes dental. I am in the Philly market and I know it varies by area.
Wow, that is great! In my area, a PPO policy with BCBS is over twice that for one person . Do you have a high out of pocket?
The plan covers all preventative service at 100% with no copay at all. This includes PAPs, mammograms, teeth cleanings, annual physicals, immunizations, etc. We pay 20% of all other services (at the network discounted rate) up to the first $1,000 a year (each) and then they cover 100%. It is a great plan if you do not have any medical conditions.
I was already pregnant when my COBRA ran out a couple of years ago. I had to go with BCBS then in order for my “pre-existing condition” to be covered and that ran me $1,300 a month. I had to fight with them to get coverage and even got the City Insurance Commission involved in a little undercover sting. It was such a battle I even considered getting married to my man just to get coverage. I knew I was going to have a c-section and the cost would have been unbelievable. How ridiculous is that? Now I am covered under his plan anyway as they have opened up their plan to allow coverage to significant others but my daughter still has Etna. The truth is I should have stayed on my own as it was better coverage.
I forget to mention the copays are pretty high though for non preventative dr visits.
Oh gosh I know all about it.
We had a PPO when I was pregnant with our second daughter, when open enrollment came up we were going to opt for an HMO because the costs would only be $500 for L&D compared to 20%. But my hubby group policy at the time was with a bank that got taken over by the FDI so we ended up with their plan which didn’t have an HMO.
Because I ended with a c-section our out of pocket was the max 5k. It was also 5K for my baby who was in the NICU for 10 days.
Then a few months later hubby got a new job and new insurance-and our oldest had a seizure and was in the hospital for 4 days (also sorts of tests being done….and that also costs us almost 5K for out of pocket.
We are still paying off all those bills- and it’s almost been 2 years.
Maybe he does cover his kids through his work. But the birth is not covered unless the mother is covered on the insurance. Wonder if public assistance was used for childbirth? I know I would not work outside the home to support my family and have my husband sleeping with someone else. Those women don’t have any self-esteem. One is eating herself into an early grave.
I don’t know about that- the prenatal care might not be covered but the delivery is different. I know Medicade will pay for the costs of L&D for the children born to illegal aliens since the baby will be a USC and therefore eligible for coverage*.
(*Not trying to start a debate or discussion on illegal immigration- just posting factual information that comes from bi-partisan sources)
Medicade is public assistance.
Sorry, didn’t mean to be so short. I’m not sure I understand what was said above. If a woman is not married to a man, his insurance is not going to cover Labor and Delivery for her and his child. It would cover expenses for the child after birth. The birthing cost are on the mother, from what I remember.
That may have changed, though.
They just look prosperous for such a large family and I wonder “successful” the working wives are? It would take a large amount of money to feed, clothe and support all those children.
In IL, a woman with a low income will be covered if she is not married. Some people make the choice not to marry so the state will pay the doctor and hospital for a baby.
Oh don’t worry, I didn’t take it as you being short with me. 🙂
The point I was trying to make technically illegal immigrants are not eligible for PA but the government does cover the medical costs of delivery because the soon to be born USC is eligible for health care; so it would stand to reason at the time of delivery the baby is also a patient and therefore costs related to their birth could be covered by private insurance (in theory).
The rules on public assistance are pretty complicated. But if a mom is living with the father of her child or unborn, his income counts for all programs.
FS rules would require all of them to be on the same case because the related children would pull them all in.
Wife no 4 probably could have her own case because of her separate children but once she has her non legal hubby’s baby she would have to be on his case.
This is an eligibility worker’s nightmare.
Half siblings have to be on the same case.
Before I retired I had a case that consisted of married mom and dad, their common child and their separate children. The were living with the mother of his newest baby.
All had to be on the same case.
I know I seem to want to believe they have assistance to live their lifestyle. If they do, it would make me angry.
The two out of work moms may be collecting unemployment. There are 16 kids. No way they are making it on 2 salaries and maybe some unemployment. New wife #4 probably gets child support from the father of her three kids. Wonder how much they get paid from TLC?
If they made the same amount as Bravo paid the NJ housewives per episode, not so much. They probably pay, if the first season is successful, much more that the origional sign on salary. I agree, 16 kids, 5 adults, maybe some child support from ex husband of number 4 wife….wheeee, not something I could live on and I’m a pretty good penny pincher.
Trust me they are collecting welfare on all levels. That how they are able to survive. If you want more information on Fundamentalist Mormons I recommend Under the Banner of Heaven. It is very good. I wonder what Cody would do if one of the ladies came home with another man and “Hey! I am sharing you with someone else”.
They showed a clip from the show where he told #1 at their anniversary dinner out, he couldn’t deal with the “vulgarity” of her being with another man. There was a classic Oprah response to that one, “Oh no, he di-ehnt!” lol
That is why I do not watch this show. I would go crazy and want to slap all those women to their senses. They must all have low self esteem to think they are only entitled to 1/4th of a man.
I read about credit card fraud and the fundamentalists when the HBO show had Nikki in debt. It’s fraud, but it’s practised out west also.
AZ Girl- I read Under the Banner of Heaven. Fascinating book. I’m all for consenting adults having the type of marriage they want but as long as polygamy is illegal the door is wide open for tax and welfare fraud. Not to mention the potential for forced arranged marraige of underaged girls. I won’t watch this show and support these people.
Is anyone having a problem with twitter?
I did this morning. So I rebooted and it’s worked ok since…. 😦
So, are even we addicts going to suffer from over-saturation tonight? This will be a test for me, as to whether I have a Housewife exposure limit. Hate to say it, but it could be I don’t have any, and I’m a lost cause.
I know I’m lost. I will watch Bravo all evening and get sick from all the sweets I will be eating. Love my shows and my treats!
I will only go for rehab when I start smoking again. I plan on starting smoking when the doctor says I only have 6 months to live.
I quit smoking a few months ago, and have taken up vaping with e cigarettes.
Do they really work? Please let me know. I want to try them.
Look at it this way – DC is wrapping up so that is almost over, RHOBH is beginning and you may not like it and WWHL will give another dose of BH so you can really decided whether or not you like it enough to follow the season.
DC was a failure and IMO the reunion will prove that out. ATL is what it is and it has never held my attention for an entire season. So it isn’t must see tv for me. And after tonight I will know whether or not I will be interested enough in BH to actually follow it.
I am a NY addict, (with Bethenny as my designer druglette). After the NJ trainwreck season, I won’t be following them.
Bravo gave us too much housewife too quickly! Can’t follow them all and know I will get the recap, the research and the rehash right here! But I will always hate Jill Zarin!
our GLEE recap vlog
http://www.poptalkers.com/blog/3483/glee-singing-for-supper/
hope you enjoy!
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Poor D. Diva. Its like I said s u inherited a bank & then redirecting it. I feel terrible.
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“That couple makes my blood boil”
I share this with you Lynn! I can’t beleive when I read the comments to her blog in Bravo !!! What kind of episodes they have watched? Not the same I watched in my TV!!!
I looked that Michaele Salahi’s facebook comments and the posts are so complementary that it’s hard to believe that non PR people wrote them.
I thought Michaele would have been my favorite if she wasn’t such a liar and debtor. She smiles and seems really friendly unlike the other women.
Uh-uh.
Michaele scares me the most. I have a sneaky feeling that she is the mastermind behind all of her & Tariq’s misdeeds and fraudulant acts.
This is a woman who will do anything to live a life of make-believe.
@SavingGrace–Agreed. Tariq is the big dumb lug she drags around.
She reminds me of a salesperson that will always be complimentary so that she can get the sale.
Some people here earlier suggested that she must have been a great makeup saleswoman.
It’s because she’s such a con. The other women smile when it’s appropriate. Michaele is a hustler, a ho on the stroll.
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WSL, try to catch BH Housewives and tell us if these are the richest women in America or if there are people with better houses than these homes. 17 acres of yard with the mansion seems top of the line to me.
WSL_ Everybody loves Error! Did I miss something?
Hmmmm…. sounds like Diane Dimond had a girlcrush on McHale:
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/10/diane-dimond-michaele-salahi-crush-housewives-were-jealous-of-michaele/
I saw that. Strange article. In fact, the book was self published. Every thing seems off with the Salahis.
OK, so what we now know about her, other than her stalking of Michael Jackson, is that she likes to hint about being older than she is (who does THAT??), she’s had a wig fetish, and now idolizes Michaele Salahi. Oh yeah, that’s all very normal.
Diane Diamond is a crazy. No joke. There is something wrong with that woman. She tries to resurrect her career with the Salahis?
it’s the name Michael, isn’t it….
the plot thickens…
that is a really creepy read.
I do not find Michaele attractive. She’s not my type. If she was, I still wouldn’t. Because at first meeting you can tell she’s high-maintenance, in the sense that you would have to contort your own psychology to maintain her faux reality for her. That is something she and Tareq have in common, I’m sure.
Honestly the only way I can think of that they can really believe they aren’t completely ruined by this scandal is if they sit around smoking crack together all the time when not on camera.
Off-Topic:
My boyfriend has to work on Sweetest Say 😦
So instead tomorrow he is taking me to see the Movie “Red” with Helen Mirren, Morgan Freeman, Bruce Willis and John Malkovich about retired CIA agents. Helen Mirren looks fabulous and I can’t wait to see it.
And…I got my sweetest day flowers (red roses) today because he said today I would be surprised instead of tomorrow or Saturday. For Dinner I am taking him to Lou Malanti’s Pizza because there is nothing this man loves more than great Deep Dish Pizza with a cold beer.
I waited over 41 yrs for this man.
I love him 🙂
I wish everyone here a super fantastic sweetest day!
OMG!!! I love Lou Malnati’s. It has been years but I use to go to the Elk Grove location. I can still taste the pizza. It was so good.
Sounds like you have a “keeper” as my mother always said. Enjoy your evening!
Thank you…we are going to the Schaumburg location. I like sitting in the enclosed porch area.
Yes, Believe me I am keeping this one.
Such a small world. I live about 5 minutes from the Schaumburg location. I haven’t been there in years. Just talking about it makes me hungry. I like Lou’s better than Uno’s.
I was born on the southwest side of Chi-town. (ha! I dislike Chicago getting called Chi-town) Anyways Home Run Inn Pizza was my favorite growing up. There is one nearby in Addison but it’s just not the same. Lou, though, hasn’t changed anything in their Pizza. Love it!
Lou Mal’s is my family’s favorite! I think I posted before that we had our rehearsal dinner at the Elk Grove Lou’s 21 years ago. There’s a fairly new Lou Mal’s in Lakewood that we frequent now. Love their deep dish sausage. Enjoy!!
(Ok, now I’m craving pizza…..)
Ah, you ladies have convinced me.
Tomorrow we are going to try the Elk Grove location. Looked it up online looks very nice.
I am jealous…and craving pizza..HA!
O.K. everyone. I am off to watch To Kill a Mockingbird. I expect to have all the updates and recaps waiting.
The book was fantastic.
One of the few worth reading 20 times over.
We won the raffle and got the DVD!!! It was great watching it without editing and commercials. Now back to me catching up on tonight’s vapid shows.
Is it just me… or this reunion is going nowhere?
Boring!
I hear you. Needs to get better. Be back next break.
DC Housewives are sooooooooooooooooooooo d-r-a-i-n-i-n-g…………..
draining my brain
draining my brain
draining my brain
I feel like the girl in the exorcist… my head is spining, spining…. what? spining… what? sp….ing….
I’m liking Stacie in the mess that is RHWODC
I liked her throughout the season but less so on the reunion. She seemed focus on making things racial although she kept refuting comments that she accused Cat of being racist. Accused or not, Stacie was implying that Cat had issues with race i.e., the joke with Paul about being “colored” (a word I normally don’t use but Cat was obviously using it in jest).
I agree. I think Staci is more racist than any on the show. She seems to look for situations and sees something thats not there, or I cant see it.
JMO.
To be fair, Andy (and everyone else) expects Stacie to be the one to talk about race. That’s why she was cast on the show. If Obama wasn’t the president and they did a Housewives show in DC, Stacie probably wouldn’t have been cast. Those are my feelings.
Well, others have pointed out that this show being in DC and having only one black cast member is ridiculous in itself. In fact the ratio should be that of Atlanta and it’s very strange to me that it isn’t. Initially I assumed that these women would all be so unique and important that somehow the casting decisions would be justified. Neither are. So it’s a very strange call they made to make this cast majority white in a majority black city.
I tried to find percentages of blacks to whites in Atlanta. Came across an interesting chart:
http://www4.uwm.edu/eti/integration/atlanta.htm
Part of the problem with percentages in HW is the ratio of “wealthy” to “poverty” level families. Since this is supposed to be based on the wealthy of these cities, the percentages would change it again. So I think the black hw outnumber the whites in this series if you are looking at correct percentages. No big deal to me though…
I’m a cheerleader……………no………….yes………….no….well…….. maybe……….yes………..no
Does that constitute being a cheerleader, I don’t know?
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!
In all the segments on this show with Michaele, I kept thinking of Danielle Staub and how she was crucified by both the other wives and Andy as well. I wrote Danielle off early on and now I think she’s just a histrionic personality. But she does show signs of having a conscience. On a different show, she would have just been one of the people on the couch kvetching. On NJ, she was targeted, for reasons that all happened off camera and which we will never know the truth about. And the audience was just supposed to go along with it and indict her as well, because Bravo said so. And yet here sits Michaele Salahi, who breeched the security of the President of the United States, sitting there without an ounce of contrition about any of her sickening behavior. Who keeps up this brilliant facade to the point where you understand that there is absolutely not anything remotely human underneath. This is the kind of person that we were supposed to believe Danielle Staub is, yet clearly she isn’t. So where is the cross and torches for Michaele Salahi, Andy? Has she gotten her pink slip yet?
well said – I thought the same thing while watching.
co-sign.
~~~~R.I.P.~~~~~
Here lies Boston02127
who died of boredom from
watching the DC wives
Lol!
Boston_ it’s hysterical!
Bravo should cancel it or replace ALL the housewives…
Blue code…stat….everyone clear and boom….I hear a heart beat I think Boston is going to make it….
At the close of the reunion… I LOVE LYNDA!!!!!!!!!
I liked her better at the reunion than on the show.
Who’s watching Beverly Hills? That little dog was pretty cute.
So cute!
What was that? I loved him too. He looks kind of like a teacup pom…
I could be wrong, I think it’s a teacup Yorkie.
I’m looking at the little dog again. I was wrong, I don’t think it’s a teacup yorkie now.
I hope Jill is watching BH. Lisa’s house makes Jill’s apartment look like a Walmart changing room.
Haaaa!
1. Loling here. 2. Brilliant observation, although I suspect J’s apt may be tackier than a walmart dressing room. 3. Still loling. 🙂
These chicks are REALLY, I mean REALLY (Kellysism) WHEALTHY!
does anyone else find it a bit depressing?
even the wealthiest of females feel pressed to look twenty when they are forty-something?
Lynn – I often like seeing an eliminated cast member come back. I’m sure the shows do it because all of the challenges, guest judges, etc. have already been planned and many of them involve some sort of sponsorship. I will point out that Chris March was the 4th designer eliminated in season 4 of Project Runway and returned after Jack Mackenroth withdrew and survived 7 more challenges, winning one of them. I really enjoyed his personality and am glad they brought him back.
I think I read Bravo has a Chris March show in production? Good for him. He’s a hoot and talented.
Taylor has the Jeff Lewis top lip.
Her face reminds me of Skeletor – only I think he is hotter!
You’d think with all that money she can throw away on temporary fillers, she could spare some to fix her overbite. And no, Taylor, you don’t look like you’re 20. You look like the Joker.
OK, met them all, and in less than 25 minutes, it’s obvious this is the Holy Grail of Housewives. Oh boy!
Lookie Jillousy it’s a big PP!
I bet Jill’s “doing pp” in her pants over this show.
Now that there’s a break in BH…
This night of the DC reunion was more action-packed than the entire boring season of it.
Talk about culture shock, moving from DC to BH. Yowza.
I want that little dog.
Me too.
“Teddy Bear” Pomeranian. Can one find that breed outside of BH?
Oh yes, just google it.
I am so into Cat … I can so relate to her and sorry if this upsets others but I luv her and I want to strip her and wear her like last year’s Versace 😛
lol.
lmao… that was so wrong. 😉
Camielle is fabulous.Kim is way too cocky.
Oh and I love Cat too but I missed the first showing of the reunion.
Her mouth and voice are the sexiest thing on any HW.
Camille is an ex pole dancing hooker…..what’s so fab about that?
IMO Kim could be “Bravo’s” necessary sociopath RHWOBH
Now I know why Michaela Salami is smiling all the time. Because she looks more creepy while crying, thinking, talking, eating…
@cusi—LOL ~~ I was thinking the same thing.
and that neck whipping hair flipping drives me crazy
Not liking Jill I mean Kyle too much.
I have to get this off my chest: OH NO SHE DI’N’T!!! “At least I have a husband.”
If you hear reports of a nuclear explosion in Texas tonight, that’s me. MS or no MS, Michaele is a B.I.T.C.H.!!!
obviously animal husbandry Missy – newsflash Tarq ain’t all that!
Micheale was looking for an opportunity to say that. Twist the knife into the most sensitive area – just to get back at Cat.
It’s very chilling to me that she does it with a smile on her face, and blip blip she’s off on the next topic, nattering on about giving ‘big love’. Lynda does tend to call it like she sees it and when she said Michaele used to be different I didn’t even want to believe it, because Michaele’s mannerisms and behavior just scream ‘sociopath’ to me, from every angle.
It’s the passive aggressive tactic. Look at me, I’m so nice, you’re so mean, then slip in the hurtful comment while smiling and and looking inane. If someone calls you out on what you just said, “who, me?” I didn’t mean to hurt anyone…..I’m just pointing out, etc. Missy is manipulative and knows exactly what she’s doing and her intent is to hurt while appearing as the victim. Sick.
yes, Dawn, we agree completely on this. I have learned about this behavior from experiencing two sociopathic sister in laws and their effects on a niece and nephew. The way you interpret Michaele makes me think that you have experienced this behavior up close and personal as well. If so, I can commiserate. Once you have been involved with a sociopath on a personal level, it is like losing a sort of virginity in a sense, you lose some innocence and faith in humanity and become somewhat jaded in a way that is really hard to shake.
With all the money Bravo brings in you’d think they’d beef up the Bravo club house stage. It’s awful.
When the show started, Andy said it was a replica of his office. If so, it’s time for an overall update!
Boston_ I don’t like the sisters… to coo-coo…
Oooops..I meant “too”
@cusi–I kind of feel sorry for coo-coo. I think Kyle is a little hard on her. I don’t think she should embarrass her on TV.
Agoraphobic, perhaps?
They do seem to have issues. I recognize Kyl’s husband’s accent. He should just like a friend. I think he’s from the Ukraine.
BH wives have stuff! Mansions, private planes, jewelry, but haven’t seen a personality that doesn’t seem plastic…..this is definately the money show – Jill has to be greener than green with envy!
Windy_Haaaa! You bet!
I thought it was odd that Kim Richard’s lost her lease and doesn’t have a home of her own. She was in so many movies and televisions series. You’d think she could buy a house. I know Jeff Lewis wants to sell Valley Oak and it has 4 bedrooms and an office she can use as a fifth.
Something is alittle off with Kim. Was it just me or did anyone have a hard time understanding her on WWHL ? Is she going to be the “glazed look ” one ?
Quincy_ But she found the solution of her problems “I’m having another baby and everything will be OK again!”
Kyle explained that Kim spent all of her money and doesn’t know how to manage her money and that is why she is where she is at right now.
And I agree that Kim is definitely on drugs. She looked liked she had been smoking meth.
Kim seemed really weird to me, also when they showed some clips of her back in the day, it became obvious to me that she can’t act. I don’t know what she will do for money.
I think Kylie is also having money problems, I am sure her hubby works for Hilton and Hyland but the market it slow.
I thought it was suspect that they had the houses the program didn’t really feature/showcase.
Aren’t these two Paris Hilton’s aunts or something? Surely there is some family $$ there.
She just mentioned her teddy bear pom lost his hair. Mine did the same thing at the age of 5 and he was diagnosed with Cushings. We gave him chemo meds and it almost killed him. Then we decided to neuter and when we did, his hair came back. He’s now 13 and doing great!
is a teddy bear smaller than a tea cup?
To me they are the same thing. My niece has one that’s 2 pounds. They are great sweet dogs, but more fragile imo.
Here is a quote from a pom breeder:
Alternate Names: Teacup Pomeranian, Teacup Pomeranians, Tea Cup Pomeranian, Toy Pomeranian, miniature pomeranians, miniature teacup pomeranian, mini pomeranians, Teddy Bear Pomeranian, Pom, Poms, mini poms, mini pom
Thoughts of RHOBH-
Camille is shallow as hell, trying to prove she deserves to be rich
Linda was great, pl with real money don’t brag
Kim named her daughter Kimberly, that’s ego
like them all but not Camille and complainer Kim
Andy is the jack…whatever of the week…. the Mazel of the week should be for the Chilean Miners and The President of Chile, you wit twit!
High five cusi!
Got that right, cusi.
WSL I just happened to know the date.Not a true Elvis fanatic but he does tingle me since I dated a handsome Latino singer that has very similar voice,body,hands,lips and hair….. 3yr love affair interrupted…..ummm
Where were we again?
Oh yea the famous birthday sites.I looked for you and there were tons.I just googled oct 14 birthdays and lots poppped up.
I don’t like how freely Cat threw her husband under the bus: he left and didn’t say goodbye to the girls, he wanted to keep me locked up in the house and didn’t introduce me to anyone, etc. That is some BS, imo.
Cat likes to deflect away from herself. Not a good quality.
Also, as much as I dislike Micheale, she was absolutely correct when she said that Cat likes to dish it but she can’t take it. Who cares what her personal life is when she is “annihilated” when she goes around being so rude with little regard to other’s personal lives? I think that if Michaele hadn’t been so crazy, Cat would have been the villianess of the cast.
Lynda comes off as preachy but she makes very good points.
I didn’t see her that way at all. Cat came from the UK, with her daughters, and didn’t know anyone. Charles has been here for years so I can see her point about him knowing people yet because he worked so much Cat was stuck at the house not knowing anyone. It’s not easy to move across and ocean and jump in with two feet.
Also, if Charles left without saying anything to the girls…that’s just wrong. No matter what happens you need to think of the children
I feel a bit embarrassed for her the way she is handling things. She seems incredibly angry at him. It makes me question whether she ever as a rule takes at least partial responsibility for anything that goes wrong in her life.
Where/when I grew up in the 60’s in small small town Missouri “colored people” was the polite term to use.How the hell are we suppose to keep track of what is acceptable?
Stacie loves the unquestioned power of the race card, and no one in the cast except Cat dares to cross her when she uses it.
I disagree completely with your comments and am shocked.
If you don’t know that “colored” is wrong by 2010, I’m not sure what planet you’ve been on.
It’s like calling Asians “orientals.”
Please get it together, ladies, because I like this board but some of this stupidity is very offensive.
Secondly, realminkey, Stacie is always FORCED to be the one to handle race card because she is the only black person on the show. Andy and the rest of the world make her have the “unquestioned power of the race card.” She was cast because there is a black president in DC. Point blank. And Bravo decided that race would be a big issue and decided that Stacie would be the one who would carry that around.
I am in utter shock by your comments. Really, I am disgusted. To have the audacity to think that there is some kind of power by “playing the race card” is absurd and then to say that Stacie loves to use it?
Whatever, I’m logging off because both of your comments are so ridiculous.
Why can’t we call black people “colored”? Why can’t we call gay people “fags”? Why can’t Stacie talk about race when she is THE ONLY BLACK PERSON IN THE CAST?
Time to log off.
I’m so sorry you are shocked by my comments. I happen to live in a community that is 70% minority, and you don’t know my complete racial background, do you?
Furthermore, unlike the rest of the cast, I’m a registered Democrat and voted for the first black President.
So please, log back in, and tell me more about myself, if you would.
I don’t care if you are African or have an Irish father and Mexican mother or if you are the only Anglo-Saxon person in a community filled with poor Puerto Rican and black people.
Your comment was obnoxious. Point blank.
Cyoteeflower’s comments were obnoxious. Point blank.
And I’m not really shocked. More like disappointed because I’ve always respected everyone on this board and have agreed to disagree for the most part. Except with this BS.
I’m sick of people talking about Stacie being obsessed with race and playing the race card all of the time. There have been many on this blog who love to talk about how Stacie plays the race card yet never really tries to understand the constructs of the program and Bravo’s intentions. I’ve ignored them because race is a complex subject for those unwilling to understand the complexities and I just skip past their posts anyway since they are mostly negative in the first place.
However, I couldn’t pass on commenting on the BS I just read right here between the two of you.
And this whole “colored” word debate isn’t a debate. Don’t say that shit. Point blank.
We will never agree about this so I think it’s best to scroll right on past each other’s names in the future.
Actually, I find you offensive because you’re attempting to stifle my opinion.
That’s fine. I’m usually very reasonable and laid back on this board. Not tonight. If I’m offensive, it’s because I’m responding to what you and cyoteeflower said.
And said in such a flippant manner. And instead of explaining yourself, you tell me that I don’t know what race you are and that I didn’t know that you live in a 70 percent minority neighborhood and you are a Democrat and voted for Obama. And now, I’m stifling your opinion?
I don’t understand you. I am going to log off now and cool down and maybe we can talk tomorrow. Have a good night.
I am an Asian and only knew I supposed to feel offended when I was called oriental a couple years ago. I brought up thinking I am oriental and now I should be offended by it, very confusing. I am not big in labels so call me oriental if you want, I won’t be mad, I promised.
TT, just when did Oriental become a slur, and why? Somewhere along the line, I missed it.
Oriental refers to an object(oriental rug/vase for example). The proper term when referring to a person is Asian.
Using the word oriental in reference to a person denotes that they are an object, less than human.
At least, that’s what I was taught and how it was explained to me.
According to the older gentlement, we were called Orientals in the 70s and it was a very common term. Why it suddenly became a “bad word”?
Oriental was used to describe someone from the Orient.
“Orient” is from the latin word
“Orien” which means “east”.
Up until a century ago explorers and historians divided the land to the west of Europe as “Near east” (the Balkans), “Middle East” (Iran, Iraq, etc.) and “Far east” (Asia, China, Japan, etc.). The Far East was known as the Orient and people with ancestors native to the Far East were known as Oriental…”Of the Orient”.
I never knew anyone thought of it as derogatory until a couple of years ago. I have a few “Oriental” or “Asian” friends and none of them consider it a slur, at all.
They feel the term “Oriental” and “Asian” are interchangable.
Realminkey, seriously I don’t know. I just heard from an older gentleman.
I am not sure whether it falls under the umbrella of ‘slur’ or not, I looked it up and it’s considered a metonym:
“a figure of speech used in rhetoric in which a thing or concept is not called *by its own name*, but by the name of something intimately associated with that thing or concept.”
It’s from latin and the word is a direction which places a non-asian culture at the center. It probably came about from trade. This kind of naming is common in
America where Native American tribes sometimes became labeled by the name associated with the tribe whom the first european settlers had contact with or traded with. Sioux comes from a word used by Ottawa to describe the Sioux tribe, whereas their name for themselves is Lakota. And we all know how erroneous the word “Indian” is for Native peoples, although it has been adopted by some as more desirable than Native American. I think the issue lies in being named by a dominant or other culture rather than being called the name one prefers or that is geographically or culturally accurate.
I’m glad that you feel that way but my best friend who is Korean would have a bitch fit if someone called her Oriental.
To each his own.
As annoying as the PC 90s were, I do think that there is a general insensitivity and lack of education that has happened over the years. If you don’t know why Oriental could be considered an offensive word, even without the intention or the personal identification, is just astounding to me.
I’m not trying to be rude but most of my Asian friends (who are first-generation or are not American citizens. maybe that’s why??) wouldn’t want to be called Oriental and if they don’t care, they would still understand why an Asian person could be offended.
I’ll stop being preachy.
Good night my dear. Somehow I think I’ve lived many more years, and have lived through many more experiences than you know.
There are no bitter feelings on this side.
Until tomorrow. God Bless.
I am also “first generation” and only a resident at this point of time. And I seriously want to know why oriental is offensive. If you know, would you please explain it to me.
Stacy has freedom of speech. Race is a part of our history and out problems. The word “c******” was the polite word many years ago. That has changed. If someone tries to be respectful and makes a mistake, they should be forgiven too. If we can’t be forgiven, there is no hope.
that’s an interesting term, “polite”.
Not knowing is fine, refusing to listen and learn what is offensive to people outside one’s cultural experience because one views one’s own cultural experience as the arbiter all things worthy of consideration is another.
We have two Asians who did not know Oriental is wrong.From what I gather they still don’t feel it is but were told to feel it.What happens to make a word “bad” when for decades it was the taught preferred word?No one has answered that.
I never knew Oriental is bad either and one of my bestest gf’s for years is half Japanese.If a person isn’t even aware of what is a slur to their own race how can anyone else?
And if you are white and hetro and aware of the slurs you best not act offended.
Please stop calling us stupid,ignorant and such.Those are derogatory words that you know are wrong.My mistake is atleast honest.
BTW my lovely daughter pictured here is half Native American and neither of us knew “half breed” was suppose to upset us till we were told recently .Guess what?Still doesn’t upset us!
Oh and my whole darned family voted for Obama myself included.
I’ve had long term love affairs with both an Eastern Indian from Bombay and an American born Mexican.I know I know it doesn’t matter to you.Well it matters to me.
I haven’t used the terminology ‘stupid’ and ‘ignorant’, to my best recollection. I have no desire to get pulled into an argument about racism. If someone tells me that something is offensive to them, I try to take it in. I am not one to say, “I am white and I don’t think there is anything wrong with ‘colored’ so I will continue to use it.” My behavior would most be to cease to use it, even if someone else told me it was not offensive to them. I would never expect someone to pity me because I ‘didn’t know’…once I have been told, I now know.
I read this board from the bottom up and that makes it impossible to keep up with who is arguing with whom and who posted what first. I do this because I don’t want to miss anyone’s posts, but it also means I come in on the tail end of some arguments that I have not read the beginning of yet. When I responded to your post it was to that single post and not to any preceding argument, further it was a general statement and was in no way meant as an accusation. I apologize if that is how it seemed. The last thing I want to do is bring further bad feelings to this board…the most inflammatory statements I have read here I haven’t even responded to be cause to do so would be emotionally draining to me, and I find them so hurtful I don’t want to give them anymore energy…those have to do with the ridiculous commentary about Stacie playing the ‘race card’…I suspect anyway that posters who say such things already have their minds made up so that is what they are going to believe regardless.
Clearly I am not aware of what the politically correct terms are. I also didn’t know that the term “Oriental” was offensive. I also thought the term black was offensive but I see it used frequently here, and it was PC to say “African American” like we hear on the news every day (which my black friends think is ridiculous). If “colored people” is an offensive term why is the nation’s largest civil rights advocacy group called the NAACP?
I really am not asking this to be snarky, I want to understand. I don’t really care what someone looks like on the outside, what religion is in someone’s heart, or whether they love a man or a woman; people are people.
Get the hell out of “Misery” than may be you learn something. Read a book and watch T.V.(PBS), it works. EDUCATION
work people, trust me. Your ignorance and age is showing, please step back.
So much for not bashing each other.
What sort of story would cause this to be in the news?Don Imus getting fired.I’m sure there are things in this life that are important that you don’t know too.
I have stated my age and education.57 and 9th grade.Lord knows I’ve done more with that 9th grade education than many have with a college degree.
I’m pretty sure if the big C word was not acceptable I would have know from my fellow workers,clients,or friends not a news article.
Save your unpleasant attitude and demands for the deserving and those with no direction.
I accept neither.
3 misspelled words and one omitted word out of 35 words?The word maybe is one compound word in this usage.How’s that education working for you again?
Mary has on black go go boots !
The best thing about bh housewives, is that finally we are looking at what bravo was supposed to be giving us, real housewives with some money etc. not the wannabes jill, kelly, luann,vicky, tamra, teresa, dina, and michelea. eat your hearts out losers. most of these women could buy and sell their asses. probably wont see these housewives doing paid personal appearances at the local strip malls.
That is true, they finally “delivered”. I have no interest in watching it. I’m still waiting for them to come up with a ‘real housewife’, who, by traditional definition, wouldn’t be rich. A housewife, to me, doesn’t hold a full time job outside the home, does her own housework and raises her own kids. The two are kind of mutually exclusive. Once you have 4 nannies and a live in maid, a chef, a driver, a personal shopper, etc etc etc, you are not a housewife.
Watching BH right now. I soooo have to go on a diet.
My God, those women are teeney.
Adgirl, I’m a real size 2- unlike Jill, and after watching that I need to diet also!
Oops forgot to mention the other wannabe rich howives, kim, nene, sheree and lisa. yes no more low rent posers.
Good night all….
Hysterical.
Commercial break from BH and then “BAM!” there’s brokeass NeNe and brokeass Sheree (who’s blasting brokeass Dwight).
Tehn there’s a teaser for next week BH- private plane (the PP).
The ATL must be besides themselves watching the real money women.
Tim Gunn on PR told Andy, one of the designers, not to make his dress look slutty, not like the Real Housewives of New Jersey. I love Tim Gunn.
@Emt2
Some people don’t know and refuse to become knowledgable. Some people glory in their ignorance. I don’t have to name names, you know who and what I’m refering to 😉
Your intolerance is showing… lighten up!
Hey. Thanks for understanding me last night but I think things got a little out of hand with the name-calling. It seems like you two have a history that I am not privy to.
Anyway, race is a very complex topic and it’s very complicated to explain.
Hope you are having a better day!
Well- don’t know if I should jump in but here goes…
Race is complex and somewhat fluid. Some people really are truly confused on non offensive terminology, and some people play at it to make a point.
On a blog sometimes it’s hard to sort out who is truly ignorant and who’s playing ignorant.
To me, it just is common sense not to offend. If I offend without meaning to, then I apologize as that is never my intent.
I prefer to focus on someone’s behavior then on their appearance.
RHOBH was interesting. If Bravo wanted people with a lot of money and connections they found the ladies for this. I have to say that Kyle does not bother me. Kim is a little different, we’ll see about her. Camille is annoying already.
What business did Taylor say she owned?
I know this is a touchy subject, but watching the reunion, and the discussion about racism I kept thinking one thing. I have always liked Stacie, she never called Cat a “racist”, but she made two comments along the lines of “she seemed uncomfortable, and it just happened to be a situation where there were a lot of black people”.
IMO, she wouldn’t say Cat was racist, but she kinda implied it.
If I’m wrong and offensive, I apologize.
I think when you have something “non-typical” that people constantly remind you of, it’s natural to wonder “is it because I’m____ or we’re______ that this person acted this way.”
I agree, she implied it. In her blog I think, she stated she didn’t think Cat was racist. I think Cat wanted Stacie to categorically deny Cat’s racism, which is something only Cat can do for herself. I do think that Stacie missed the ‘joke’ Cat made to Paul when using the word “colored”, though.
I didn’t watch the show so I don’t want to comment on if Stacie racist or if Cat is racist or if Stacie implied Cat is; but I can see validity in the remark “she seemed uncomfortable, and it just happened to be a situation where there were a lot of black people” especially in a climate like DC where race and race related issues is part of a political climate.
I think it’s natural to be unsure of yourself in situations that are new to you, especially if you are worried you might say the wrong thing and offend someone.
Comeon arent there enough trolls dropping in here ever so often, but that some here have to be judgemental and calling fellow lynnbloggers stupid, ignorant, obnoxious bitches? really how is that any better? I think I may be done here if this name calling continues. When you disagree with comments why not move past them without the accusations and name calling. How is that going to change anyones mind or come to any understanding? If we want drama the housewives provide that, I do not come here for dramatics within this family. I have taken my pain pill so I am out for now.
Is the Teddy Bear Pom the same type as the dog Kim Z has? Her little black doggie is so cute.
Im pretty sure her dogs are small yorkies.
Here is a precious website for the yorkie:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=yorkies&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
No one called anyone stupid or obnoxious bitches.
It’s natural for family members to disagree, is it not?
I’m not going to always bite my tongue for the sake of civility. I have learned to pick and choose my battles and I’ve scrolled past plenty of things that I’ve disagreed with or have just agreed to disagree.
I stated an opinion in this case and reacted to some things I found very offensive and suddenly I’m delegated to troll status?
Really? When I first joined this blog in the beginning, I was one of the first people to argue with a horrible poster who just loved to fight people and call people names and use very offensive and racist language. Otaypanky tried to intimidate people and I wasn’t having it. Lynn took care of the situation and others were grateful to me and others who called Otaypanky out on the BS.
I am sorry but I will not be compared to a real troll like Otaypanky.
If you don’t care to join the argument, don’t have anything productive to say, and don’t have a real vested interest in the topic, then you should just scroll past. Everyone does it. That is one of the reasons why the blog has been able to maintain such a wonderful camaraderie. But, if you have a strong feeling, you should express yourself.
And if you disagree, make sure you are clear about what you are disagreeing with and practice reading comprehension skills instead of making up things or projecting things. I don’t remember anyone being called stupid or an obnoxious bitch.
And on that note, I will say good night. Everything is better the next day.
@em2
TrueLifeDiva to CyotteeFlower 11:50pm
“I’m on to you you stupid bitch!”
To show how it is possible to live with so little interaction with the AA community I collected the following from city/data.com.
Below I list my ages at each location and the racial devide as of 2008.
Birth-9yrs. 92.1% vs 5.3%
10yrs-15yrs. 94.3% vs 4.2%
15yrs-19yrs. 92.5% vs 3.3%
19yrs-37yrs. 95.8% vs 2.5%
37yrs-57yrs. 93.5% vs 1.7%
You are on to me?
Please enlighten us.
Tell me how to know colored is wrong?
I had never seen an AA person till I was in the 5th grade in 1963 and colored was not only acceptable it was the term commonly used.
The term was still acceptable in 1983 (the last time I had communication) How would I know that had changed?
All the anger and name calling over the word colored yet I was bashed without mercy recently because I dared to take offense to a white couple being refered to as “whitetrash breeders”.
Are white hetrosexuals, who may or may not be financially challenged, not deserving of the same respect as gays and minorities?
You may want to keep in mind that Lynn has a rule of not bashing other board members.
You went 27 years without a TV, PC, magazines or newspapers?
Colored was not okay in 1983.
At least not among my friends.
It WAS still acceptable in KCMo at the Americana Hotel @14th and Wyandotte where I worked with AA’s in 1983.What possible reason would I lie?I didn’t use the word against anyone I merely made an observation about the show we all watch.
I thought sharing opinions and observations was the purpose of this blog.Not to be judged and attacked with each statement.
Let me see now,in the past 27yrs I have worked 2 and 3 jobs at times raising two girls alone,
had two long term relationships and one marriage,
moved 200mi to take care of a step father with cancer and a mother who had two strokes back to back,
started a small business,
and am helping to raise 6 grandkids 3 of whom lost their father in a car accident 5 yrs ago, amongst other things.
Somehow news of the “good word gone bad” slipped right on past me!
Cyotteflower –
I am not judging you. I am not going to call you names. I am asking you for a favor. Please listen and try to understand what we are trying to tell you about the lack of sensitivity in using certain terms.
Colored may have been acceptable in the ’80’s where you live. It sure wasn’t where I grew up. It isn’t considered acceptable anywhere anymore. Obviously we all have a color. When caucasian people refer to everyone else as colored it suggests that WE are the norm or the right color and THEY are the ones who are different or the wrong color. It is a term used to divide us.
I’m shocked that you and your daughter never considered half breed to be offensive since the origination of the term was used as a derogatory reference. That’s the only connotation it has EVER had.
Oriental is insensitive because there is no real place called The Orient. It indicates a complete and utter indifference to a persons heritage. Like saying I can’t be bothered to even think about the correct name for the continent that you or your ancestors came from.
Whatever insensitive terms we have used in our past to categorize, belittle or hurt each other we need to set them aside now. When a person tells you that they would appreciate not being called a certain thing we shouldn’t argue but say “Okay, I didn’t realize it was offensive, I didn’t mean to be and I won’t use it anymore.”
And ladies/gents that should also include calling each other bitch.
Sorry, my comment was missplaced above.
Completely agree! Thank you for that.
You, Quincy, WSW and Diva (except for calling her a bitch, that wasn’t nice but I take it that the story is more complicated) made great points.
I was very heated last night about certain comments and was too flabbergasted to consider what my goal is in giving my reaction. Did I want to educate, understand, change minds, etc? Or did I just want to express myself? A bit of both but I wish that I had just responded this morning after emotions settled down.
I, too, am very busy with work, writing, taking care of my mother and her stroke, my father, my fiancé and myself and I come on here to relax and be a part of community that I think respects me and one that I learn so much from. And sometimes you just don’t feel respected and you get angry.
Anyway, I hope that everyone has a great day.
Btw, did anyone else notice that the woman with the lips from BH from the midwest, looks like a strange hybrid of the 90s model Karen Mulder and Julia Roberts? I think it is not a coincidence. lol
Enjoy your day, ladies! And yes, be kind to each other.
Good morning emt2. How’s your mother doing by the way?
The Taylor lady was so weird looking. The duck lip thing is pretty popular for some reason but even stranger on her than most.
Her wide jaw accentuates the giant lips. Her whole face is outta whack. Way way too much work done!
I posted this already but everything’s out of order.
The BH Housewives are the fakest( is that a real word?) of the franchise. I looked closely during WWHL because of the poll. The collective skin on that group is stretched pretty damn tight. The poll shouldn’t have been who’s the hottest but who’s the tauttest.
Kyle – I can believe it’s her real hair but her own color? COME ON NOW! how old is she? She may be a natural brunette but there is now way she doesn’t get that mane dyed.
Taylor – Who told her those lips are atractive? It’s freakish looking.
Not hating Adrienne and Lisa so far.
I liked Jiggy best of all
Argg. That was supposed to be a reply to realminkey! I think it’s a sign I better get off and clean my house.
I haven’t seen BH yet (recorded it and plan on viewing tonight). Did Kyle say her hair was her natural color? Because as a child actress, it was much more of a mousy brown.
Why aren’t post going where we intend them today? At first I thought it was me.
It was in the south.
I cannot speak of your life and you cannot speak of mine.I was always taught C word right N word wrong.
Okay I don’t want to take sides but, yes the term “colored” has not been acceptable in my lifetime or at least since I could talk & walk & I’m 47. Nor do I like the term “white trash”; trash comes in all colors.
We all need to be responsible for our actions. I think it’s unwise to race from board to board having disputes. This in not my board, but I ask you to reflect on what is happening and take responsibility for part of the dispute. Lynn does not deserve this treatment and neither does the majority of this board.
Breeders vs. colored vs. fag
I’m gonna have to say the offensive would be the last two….
Check out definition in Urban dictioary and how it is commonly used in a sentence.I would post it here but the place would surely go up in flames.It is definately deserving of clear understanding.
#72
Nice try at redirection and if Lynn feels the need to intervene then so be it. Don’t bring up topics from a different website, I’m talking about what you said HERE tonight. This is 2010 and you are too old to play coy. As I mentioned before, I will address your question in length tomorrow from my desktop not my BB while I’m at work. You asked the question now prepare for the answere. Its funny how you are already crying about being attacked and I haven’t even started in on you. I think its because its a pattern with you. You instigate then cry when you realize you’ve bitten off more than you can chew. You should take a break if you’re gonna keep threatening suicide everytime you lose an argument. I used to feel sorry for you, but you’ve got serious problems, mental ones.
And I will also explain how I’m on to your sick internet games. You are so busted.
Busted for what exactly?
By definition wouldn’t I first have to be attempting to get away with something?
You appear to be the one with a personal agenda and are displaying an inordinated amount of anger.
Did you note I am not the first one to mention the code of behavior here?
The women on this site have known me for nearly 6months.I posted at the other board for maybe 10days.Who do you suppose knows me better?
I feel safe here.
FYI I have never threatened suicide in real life or online.Unless ofcourse I truly am crazy and you have proof.In which case I am sure it will be forthcoming.Bulling a person you believe to be crazy isn’t exactly the way to win friends in the present social climate.
For some six years I’ve been posting to blogs and forums on such subjects as Bible prophecy, missing children ,conspiracy theories,mundane astrology,health,childrearing,etc. never once having a problem.And I refuse to let you and yours to cause me problems here as you have elsewhere over the past month.When I fail to respond to you from this point know that it is me taking control of the situation not running away from an arguement.
No one knows better the me what a nightmare this could become.
I don’t want to get involved here. I think that the world is changing for the better and everyone has to adapt. You can’t control someone else, but you can be cordial. Don’t blame the site. Be positive and move forward.
NAACP National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. It was the respectful term when this organization was born. It’s historical. It is no longer preferred.
Be kind to each other.
Lynn,
I have lurked since the Hub days and have only posted a few times. Now I have to say it is getting too ugly and unpleasant to be here. The last couple of weeks have actually been depressing and a major downer. Your “welcome” mantra does not reconcile with one poster calling another a “stupid bitch.”
It’s too bad that this site has deteriorated to this level. I really enjoyed the good ole days. Bye
I don’t think this is Lynn’s intent. I have decided to stop visiting discussion boards also. I have a lot of work and I get frustrated that this keeps happening. You can not control the thoughts of other people. The housewives try to do that and it always fails.
I apologize to Lynn and others.
Please do not leave.
I really appreciate your posts and input.
I’ve been slowly leaving myself. I find myself scrolling past way to many posts that it really isn’t enjoyable anymore. Time for a break.
I agree with you MickeyMouth, something has changed and it isn’t as enjoyable anymore. I thought it was just me.
I agree with Ada May. Such name callings is not called for. It really makes people look ignorant when they write such things, as well.
This aggression has gotten totally out of hand and threatening as well. I didnt observe anyone crying or threatening suicide. This is off the charts. What started off as a disagreement of opinion has become very scary, almost kellylike.
I do agree that there is no need to call anyone a “stupid bitch.” I didn’t realize that someone had been called that because I would never attack someone on the board like that.
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/jersey-shore/what-the-jersey-shore-kids-ter-38392.aspx
http://fashionista.com/2010/10/new-jersey-fashion-week-is-a-thing-that-happened-and-real-housewives-of-new-jersey-were-there/
Stacy and the race card
As emt2 pointed out Stacy is the only African America Housewife. Race is a huge issue in our country. Don’t be fooled into thinking just because we have a biracial President that racism has vanished. Hate groups have grown since President Obama’s election. Don’t take my word for it, go to Southern Poverty Law Center website and see for yourself.
You can say someone is uncomfortable with black people and not mean they are a racist. Being uncomfortable around someone is very different than disliking, stereotyping or discriminating against them.
When I was in my early 20’s I had the great fortune to become friends with an elderly African American gentleman. I had gone to school with and had African American friends my own age but this guy grew up in the civil rights era and had a slightly different view than my peers. He was an amazing man, intelligent, articulate and full of life. Our age difference made it comfortable to discuss all areas of race relations including sex. We would lunch together frequently and he was sometimes uncomfortable in predominately white restaurants and I can assure you he was no racist. He took me to a “soul food” restaurant once not only to introduce me to the food but so that I could understand how he and many African Americans living in largely white areas feel on a daily basis. I was the only white person there and it was VERY uncomfortable. It was an eye opening experience. I learned so much from my friendship with this man. I have rarely respected anyone more. It truly changed my life.
When I first went to work at the Americana,mentioned upthread,I was hired as atrium bartender but they put me to work in the in the banquet dept because all the downtown hotels were full up with “squatters” training for flight attendants positions when Brantiff attendants were on strike.
For the first few days till they got more people hired I worked with the hotels full time banquet crew.I was the only female and the only white person and it was definately eye opening.
I left you another post. It’s all the way at the bottom of the page. Posts are out of order again for some reason.
Yikes I have been reading & thinking about the name calling
& discussion that went with it for the last hour. I hate watching it & it is a real downer. I have an opinion but I am certainly not going to express it at this point when “fur is flying”. U two r like
“2 cats in a sack”.
I like u both even though its possible to not like what u say on some occasion.
In the nature of the way a blog works when fights start u can scroll past or get involved.
Many of us on Lynn’s blog become emotionally attached. WSM has said several times “b careful ,I am afraid u r too attached & I don’t want u to get hurt”.
I am attached to the LynnFam & I choose to b venerable b cuz the joy/fun way out weighs anything else that could happen like fights to life threatening cancer.
Lynn was not here last night. I know she would have nipped name calling in the bud & so does every one else. At the same time we all have bad days.
On the plane yesterday I stepped in front of a man to help a much older very short & frail lady w/
To get her luggage from the overhead luggage bin. When finished the man who wouldn’t help; shoved me & called me a name. Bad move. WSL ripped him a new on. I embarrassed him till he wanted to crawl back under the rock from which he came. To make it worse others who had noticed called him names too.
The man said I am sorry. He said he was rushing down to Fla. cuz his daughter was in a almost fatal car crash & he was just angry at life.He apologized.
We all hugged. This happened in just a few minutes & was over quickly. I see many parallels.
We r in a space together. We mostly feel better when things r resolved vs some going off mad.
I hope I have made some since. Forgive me if I haven’t but I feel better.
Like I said I enjoy u both & like Quincy suggested:
B kind to each other.
Love & Hugs to the LynnFam
Let’s b nice & b free to say “I. Sorry. Just as important is to forgive impulsive moments.
Hi WSL. Glad to hear you were able to resolve the issue. Poor man, I hope his daughter is ok.
I hate that things got so heated here. It seems like it shut down the whole blog for now.
Did you watch Beverly Hills? What did you think?
Thanks for sharing your plane story, WSL. You always have such a wise perspective and a big heart.
WSL: Well said.
I just logged in and have to admit that it is kind of disturbing to see some of the comments this morning. Hoping that everyone had a good night’s sleep and can put away some of the anger that seeped through.
I just want to say that I find Cat to be a thoroughly rude person and she has been since the beginning of this series. Some find her “refreshing” along the lines of a Ramona who insists on “telling it like it is” but rude is rude no matter who it is, where they come from, or what “cultural” deficit is offered as an excuse.
Her manner at Stacie’s aunt’s party has been chalked up to her crumbling marriage, or being uncomfortable around black people, but she has also displayed on more than one occasion that rudeness is something she prides herself on and is very much a part of her character. She is shown making fun of the neighbors and the way they are dressed when going by her house as they walk their dogs. She was hostile to that Rogers women in accepting a date for lunch and again appearing at her invitation dressed as Sarah Palin. She has shown her capacity for rudeness by her actions at the vineyard by leaving early and behaving as if she were so much above everyone else.
She even took the opportunity to call out the Salahi’s in front of Stacie and Jason because she felt “entitled” to do so. In no way am I defending these two morons but Cat felt the need to make her feelings known aside from the fact that she was an invited guest and could just as easily turned down the invitation as did Lynda and Mary. She has felt the need to “diss” Lolly in front of Mary which, considering that they barely knew one another, is something that she could have kept to herself.
Whatever term she chose to use she is now defending herself by way of saying it was all meant as a “joke” but refuses to see how upsetting it may be to someone else. That is just plain rude. If someone takes offense it is no one’s place to suggest otherwise. That person’s feelings should be taken into consideration but I don’t believe that Cat has that capacity to look beyond her own behavior and there is nothing “honest” about saying whatever you wish without bearing the consequences.
Had it not been for the insanity of the Salahi’s to make themselves into “somebodies” I have a distinct feeling that Cat would have been featured as the “villain” of this piece since she seems to have a problem in censoring herself and allowing a filter to guard her comments.
Defending Cat, or putting a spin on her actions, is not working for me. Rude and careless people exist and should not be given a pass simply because their rudeness was aimed at thoroughly unlikable people like the Salahi’s. Her rudeness has been aimed at just about everyone in this cast along the way at one time or another which is very much part of her make up.
I agree Olivia. I don’t find Cat charming or clever. MS was right when she pointed out that Cat can dish it out but not take it. I’ve known way to many people like that in my time.
I aprticulary like what you said about her not getting a pass just because the Salahi’s are so unlikable. Just like Teresa not getting a pass because Danielle is so unlikable. And visa versa.
I am so glad that I took a look and saw sanity come back to the board with Oliva and WSL. I absolutely hate fighting.
Cat plays the victim and has played it all of her life. I’m sure she was the victim in her first marriage, second married and all other failed relationships. The insults hurled at Michaele were vicious. Wind blowing in Michaele’s head?
Uncalled for. Michaele got caught in her own lies. I think she’s suffering and there’s not sense in hurling more garbage in her direction.
I posted & it appeared 5 posts above the current conversation. Please go up thread & read for I wrote w/ my heart.
If it looks like I am having a conversation by myself it is because atleast 3 posts I am responding to have been removed.Two for sure were TrueLifeDiva’s posts to me.
Good morning, all. I see that the discussion went on long after I called it a night.
Just want to say, that if my initial comment offended anyone here, I’m very sorry. That was certainly not the spirit in which it was intended, and it pains me to see that it contributed to any discord amongst the good people here. Peace.
Heart you realminkey! I think that’s all anyone really wanted.
Thank you for your apology and I apologize for being so impatient. Hope we have learned from this and can continue to be respectful. 🙂 Have a great day.
Angry debates are going on all over the internet and my blog comments are no exception. I can tell you that the discussion here is substantially more civil than you’ll find anywhere else on the internet. This is a heated topic and emotions run strong, all I ask is that you continue to remain respectful to one another, providing your opinion and your point of view without attacking anyone else.
The one day that I get a migraine the s*** hits the fan and I miss it. Damn!
It might also make good sense to revisit the idea that we are simply critiquing a fake “reality show” featuring shallow people willing to expose their lives for the sake of fame.
Yes but DC brings up race and politics, very touchy subjects.
They are both worthy of discussion we just have to be polite when talking about them. Exercise a little self control.
I felt from the beginning that these issues would play heavily in this series. It has no place in a show that is based on “frivolity” where the characters are essentially “fake” to begin with. It has led to all manner of misunderstanding.
Disliking some of these people has nothing to do with race, religion, or political affiliation. Some of them are downright ridiculous in their attempts to appear relevant or interesting.
I only watch some of these presentations for the fact that they are nothing more than “mind numbing eye candy” and the snark that follows. Actually there is little to be learned from any of these series beyond the fact that most participants are fame hungry idiots with an overwhelming need to be seen as something they usually are not.
BH has certainly provided us with the right vehicle for that mission, Olivia.
I can’t watch it. At least NY gave us people who were kind of interesting. The others not so much.
Somebody better call the Mandarin Oriental hotel and tell them they are offending the populace of the world.
Completely agree MAMAZ! Thank you for that.
You, Quincy, WSW and Diva (except for calling her a bitch, that wasn’t nice but I take it that the story is more complicated) made great points.
I was very heated last night about certain comments and was too flabbergasted to consider what my goal is in giving my reaction. Did I want to educate, understand, change minds, etc? Or did I just want to express myself? A bit of both but I wish that I had just responded this morning after emotions settled down.
I, too, am very busy with work, writing, taking care of my mother and her stroke, my father, my fiancé and myself and I come on here to relax and be a part of community that I think respects me and one that I learn so much from. And sometimes you just don’t feel respected and you get angry.
Anyway, I hope that everyone has a great day. It’s a new day, let’s move on.
Btw, did anyone else notice that the woman with the lips from BH from the midwest, looks like a strange hybrid of the 90s model Karen Mulder and Julia Roberts? I think she went to her surgeon with pictures of the both of them and said, I want to look like these two put together. lol
Enjoy your day, ladies! And yes, be kind to each other.
Have a great day, dear. Know that we care about you too.
Happy National Grouch Day everyone!
On the BH Housewives; it was still on after the Reunion show last night and my boyfriend walked into the room. He looked at the TV and said something like “OMG what happened to her?” referring to her looks. When I explained that it was plastic surgery he said “You mean she actually paid to look like that?” It was the screen when one of the women was at dinner with her husband. My boyfriend couldn’t understand how she could drink her wine without dribbling. He said her lips look like how his feel after going to the dentist. I thought that was such a great reaction.
Posts are coming up out of order.
The BH Housewives are the fakest( is that a real word?) of the franchise. I looked closely during WWHL because of the poll. The collective skin on that group is stretched pretty damn tight. The poll shouldn’t have been who’s the hottest but who’s the tauttest.
Kyle – I can believe it’s her real hair but her own color? COME ON NOW! how old is she? She may be a natural brunette but there is now way she doesn’t get that mane dyed.
Taylor – Who told her those lips are atractive? It’s freakish looking.
Not hating Adrienne and Lisa so far.
I liked Jiggy best of all.
Who won the poll? (I fell asleep). On the whole I enjoyed the show and the new ladies. This show will be skads better than DC, thank you very much. Liked the husbands as well, especially Kyle’s. Does she really have a one year old? That could be her grandchild, LOL. Weird that her house is crammed into that neighborhood right on top of the others considering her hubby is in real estate. Looked like no property but that’s JMO. Kim kinda dissed NICKY Hilton by only referring to Paris, and in fact it was Nicky who was featured in the Bluefly commercial during the show! I like Nicky for some reason way more than Paris. I think Kim is probably broke at this point. And yikes, 4 kids by 3 men in 8 years is alot!! Lisa is quite charming and her gay BF is giving her hubby a run for the money. The homes are gorgeous. When the heck was this filmed??? Because since this has been taped Camille’s hubby Kelsey Grammar has already divorced or least separated from her and got another woman pregnant?? They need to have a quicker turnaround between filming and airdates, that blows Cat’s divorce out of the water as far as timelines go!
Kyle won the poll. And Kim looked very unhappy when she did.
I couldn’t believe Kim referred to herself as an icon. LMAO. She was a second rate child actress. Her niece has definitely bypassed her just by being a party girl. So sad. I felt sorry for her though. She’s seems like she’s kind of a mess. Why would a younger sister have to promise the mom to look after the older sister? And yeah 4 kids, 3 men 8 years and now she wants another baby?
Reposting because I somehow got mixed up & posted way up…
Sorry all.
Wow, too much to read from last night; frankly after the dispute I had here last week I’m glad I missed it all! I will pass along what I learned last week (to all no sides here); don’t react to a post immediately, stop, reread & COMPREHEND. Lot’s of assumptions are inadvertently made here because of miss understanding of what was actually posted; rereading can avoid that pitfall. Okay. Caught the reunion late last night & I actually enjoyed it. It was nice to see & hear four intelligent women converse & even disagree in a somewhat respectful way (unlike NJ & NY). Michaiela (or however its spelled- I really could careless about finding the correct spelling), seem a waste to me & it’s a shame. She’s not stupid just completely deluded & what we see is her drunk on that delusion. How many women in this have followed a man down the wrong path? Eventually they wake up or something gives or they wake up because something gives; it’s about a year past that time for her. I hope she get’s out of that relationship & gets her act together. Cat, hated her first two episodes & love her now. I respect her being so straight forward. Subtitles for Cat? Really Bravo how stupid do you think your audience is? Mary making fun of herself drunk was hilarious, love her. Stacie, she’s smart & nice, great combination who dosen’t like that? Linda? She’s smart but I’m still warming up to her. Looking forward to watching next week.
@EMT2, @Wall st. Lady, @MAMAZ, and anyone else confused by my use of the “B” word last night. It is out of caracter for me and was done for shock value. As I stated last night, I have lot to say but am limited at the moment due to the fact I am at work. The person in question is a NASTY individual. She posts under multiple monikers and picks fights using the most foul language ever! It’s funny that she used one of those attacks on Reality Tea as proof she is a nice person in one of her replies to me. I was not arguing with her on that site. I was one of only two people defending her (under another moniker she uses). Then she started with the homophobic slurs. Then she began attacking the other woman defending her. And I was done. And I now see she is trying to say I was part of the group she was arguing with. I was not. It’s funny that she denied using multiple names in her posts (like a troll) but admitted it was her when she took credit for the argument. Anyone who wants to see her in action look at the Tamra and Simon Barney domestic violence thread @RealityTea. She is 6 different monikers there but Brownstone is the nastiest. I’ll get into it a little deeper later when I get home tonight. There is more to this than what’s on the surface.
True Life Diva – I wasn’t necessarily referring to you when I said not to call people bitch. I just meant none of us should use that word. I’m guilty of it myself.
I know it’s not like you to attack people on here. I love your posts. You are always a sweetheart.
It’s so hard to know who to trust on these blogs. I hate when people use multiple names and personas. I have trust issues anyway and it makes me paranoid. That’s why I usually avoid interacting with the trolls but sometimes I react too. I also agree with zero tolorance for racial and homophobic slurs.
Anyway, I love you Diva. Have a good day at work.
Why are you chosing to believe her without proof?Did you read what the thread at RT?
I was there for 10 days and here for 6 mo.Ask Lynn how many addys I have.
You may love TLD but she is a bold face liar.And I am offended that anyone takes her word over mine.
Lies shouldn’t be accepted as truth on popularity.Sweet people lie too.They have been trying to infiltrate my time here for nearly three weeks.
I’m through trying to defend against lies when no one cares about the truth or proof.I found it doesn’t work.People believe who they like no matter how absurd the claims or how lacking the proof.Sad.
Maybe Lynn will care to intervene.
@ TrueLifeDiva ,
I haven’t read through & doubt I will. I understand when you said there is a reason & a history behind what you posted to someone…I have done the same (& btw tried to explain that to Viki55 who was outraged by my post even though she saw that it was addressed to someone else), sometimes that’s what they want & that’s what they’ve been pushing for….at least that what happened to me. You are informative, funny, smart & respectful in 99.9% of your posts; so what if one was off & it was warranted. It’s ALL GOOD girl 🙂
What warrented me being called a stupid bitch?
Did you see proof of any thing she claims?
As a community is it acceptable say hurtful harmful stuff about each other?
Just wondering since this is not usually allowed here.
Lynn missed one and with so many that is understandable.
This is full of lies.Prove I have multiple names.I’m sure RT will supply you with proof.Untill then stop slandering me here.
Above all there was NO racial slur.I was responding to Bryan calling Simon and Tamra Barney “white trash breeders”.I responded that I was offended and was told it was not offense nor was it a slur and I had no right to be upset.
I further attempted to make my feelings understood by saying if this were an article about Neil Patrick Harris and his mate and I made the comment”whitetrash fags”how would Bryan feel.I stand by that and if you think it doesn’t mean the same thing, look it up.
Iwas made to feel like I had no right to be upset when the slur Bryan made was clearly about two straight white people he doesn’t like.But in turn I turned the statement around using an equally offensive term for gays as he did for straights AS AN EXAMPLE to how he had made me feel.The verbal and emotional beating I took for that will not soon leave me.
I stand by it. The fact is whitetrash breeders=whitetrash fags.He used it as a slur I used it as an example as to how it affected me.
TLD bring your proof when you bring your lies!
Dear, I ask you to reflect. If there is a dispute, it takes more than one person to keep the dispute going.
The word c****** is not accepted in the world today. Accept this and move forward. The language mutates constantly. Governments have tried to control the changes as early as the 14th Century in Britain and they were unable to stablize the use of words. The first dictionaries were attempts to stop change and organize the language. Accept that the word changed when we were young and move forward respecting women who don’t like the use now.
Quincy I appreciate your voice of reason and I can hear you now after my little recess.I get it.Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.My sincere apologies to whomever I may have offended.
Before we can truly wrap the whole dealio up and start anew there is still a major problem for me.I am going to try my best to ask this gently.
We have cleared up the reason not to use certain words is because they hurt people and cause them harm in some way.Can we not then apply that same kindness this situation where one person is saying MANY hurtful damaging words with negative intent toward me?
I think I deserve to be judged on what you know of me here.What you have witnessed of my behavior and personality here.I am no threat to anyone but someone here is a threat to me.If we aren’t allowed to bash one another then why is TLD allowed to say whatever she wants about me?
Or is it just me getting it all wrong once again?
Thinking is such a good thing to do. No one is perfect. We strive to become better Human beings.
I’m leaving for a few days, and there should be not flipped tables when I get back. I wants everyone to be here and if the dishes are not in the sink waiting for me, I will be so happy.
Life is so short. Each day is a gift.
Take care.
Don’t be gone too long. 🙂
Posted by CyotteeFlower above: “Prove I have multiple names.” “I was responding to Bryan calling Simon and Tamra Barney “white trash breeders”.” And: “I further attempted to make my feelings understood by saying if this were an article about Neil Patrick Harris and his mate and I made the comment”whitetrash fags”how would Bryan feel.”
Posted by Memphis at Reality Tea [post #6]
21 Sep, 2010 at 8:19 am
Bryan are you implying that there is no domestic violence in the gay community? I sincerely hate to think of the repercussions if there were a domestic abuse article on NPH and his partner and I posted “the behavior of white trash faggots!” Are you seeing how that sounds? Breeders! You wouldn’t be here without them! http://www.realitytea.com/2010/09/21/oc-housewives-simon-barney-arrested-for-domestic-violence/comment-page-1/#comments
This is the same nick—Memphis—that also later came to your defense at RT. Post 519 by Memphis:
Need a Hobby I noticed that too. 😉
Posting as Memphis must be freeing.
375Memphis
23 Sep, 2010 at 12:00 pm
dear boblob ,no I am not talking to myself.evidently you are unaware that people exist and read here outside the virtual fags and the hags who worship them SIMS game ya got going on
I enjoyed watching the LA
Ho wives & it takes a Ho to b on the RHW show.
I was noticing how thin & plastic ed they all already R.
Most of the wives have changed drastically after the first season when they become “stars”.
1st season ill was fat. NeNe had a bigger nose. Sherry had no weave ,Romana didn’t wear age appropriate clothes & Bethany didn’t wear the Very expensive clothes she mostly wears now (I know she also wears that designer from Bravo but she also wears “Chanelle”. Caroline got thinner, Dung ella got her boobs evened out,a$$ley got a nose job,Dina reduced her over blown tires,Ape woman got more hair & intertoobs & Dung ella also got a penile implant.
My point is that the LA girls r already “perfect”.
How the HELL r they gonna look when they become “stars”.
Also except for 2 of them ,their hair is too long. It pulls their faces down & makes them look old. I think they r mimicking Paris”’ weave. Hopefully they will cut their hair.
And oh the child stars ,
Pleeeeeze ! That doesn’t count if that’s the height of ur acting career. Boring.
I am glad I don’t have to supervise cleaning those houses. Maybe Jo could subcontract Abe mom & her little monkeys out !
I am sure I will enjoy watching these gals. I think we will all be enlightened to the burdens that come along w/ their life.
Me I am thankful for my happy life w/ WSM.
My post appears higher up for some reason so I am repeating it her for continuity.
@EMT2, @Wall st. Lady, @MAMAZ, and anyone else confused by my use of the “B” word last night. It is out of character for me and was done for shock value. As I stated last night, I have lot to say but am limited at the moment due to the fact I am at work. The person in question is a NASTY individual. She posts under multiple monikers and picks fights using the most foul language ever! It’s funny that she used one of those attacks on Reality Tea as proof she is a nice person in one of her replies to me. I was not arguing with her on that site. I was one of only two people defending her (under another moniker she uses). Then she started with the homophobic slurs. Then she began attacking the other woman defending her. And I was done. And I now see she is trying to say I was part of the group she was arguing with. I was not. It’s funny that she denied using multiple names in her posts (like a troll) but admitted it was her when she took credit for the argument. Anyone who wants to see her in action look at the Tamra and Simon Barney domestic violence thread @RealityTea. She is 6 different monikers there but Brownstone is the nastiest. I’ll get into it a little deeper later when I get home tonight. There is more to this than what’s on the surface.
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regarding last night’s Great debate.
I must be missing something. I didn’t see anyone called a bitch.
@emt limited her condemnation to the comments ie:”Please get it together, ladies, because I like this board but some of this stupidity is very offensive.”
Pretty mild compared to what is being made of it.
Did Lynn remove a post?
There seems to be fight brewing on another board regarding @cyotteeflower.
It has spilled over to this board before and I’m not quite sure what to make of it.
On one hand, I guess I can’t expect this blog to be an isolated bubble world where events from other sites and real life don’t intrude, but on the other hand it does seem to be messing up the karma of this blog. Big time.
I am no saint- I’ve gotten heated with posters here, so please don’t think I’m preaching but think I’m above my own advice.
I echo @quincy and WSL. Real life has enough hostility and bullshit in it everyday, that I want this to be a nice place to escape from some of that.
Yes posts are missing.Yes they tried to cause me shit her before and you and Quincy took up for me and they backed down.I was bullied and called”it” from the moment I posted at RT.Then speaking against their gay gods slur was the death penalty.
All I can say is I have never had this problem anywhere else and this grop has follower me here and twitter and the lies get grander each time
Please believe nothing without proof..That is a fair request considering my rep here.
ok- Fair enough, my friend.
I will judge you only on your behavior here.
But I don’t like to feel like I’m being made a fool of by championing the cause of someone who is stirring the pot either.
TrueLifeDiva is just as an important member of this blog as you are. I would hate to see a full on cat fight over statements that were made on another blog by either one of you.
Thank You OMiB.I won’t let you down.Of course TLD is important here too.Us two girls may just need a signal if you see either of us coming thru the door with a long wooden spoon! 8~)
My original post was one of those quick fire reactions as I was watching and clearly wasn’t given any thought.
Luckily I rarely tweet or post while watching due to limited capabilities:/
My college girl GD’s photo is up if you wanna see who you were helping.
I was at RT earlier today trying to findmy old posts,no easy feat.
Just now I switched laptops-both mine TRD-cause one needs new battery and gets hot.Anywho the gods are on my side because what happened to be displayed on the side bar but posts of TLD and her gang getting story together,making sure there are back ups,and yukking it up how they are going to take me down.
Just so know how planned out this ambush is.
If you wanna see for yourself it is on the Margret Chow article.@Reality Tea
Im not nuts or paranoid.It is happening!